21: Looper, with Rian Johnson and Adam Lisagor
  
   
 
 
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     my favorite sentence i saw written about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was Anthony lanes review in The New 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yorker and just what does the sentence 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that got me it just said what happens if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you hit you in the face and take off 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would be pissed if it doesn't then gave 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it and yeah I can't really landed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     punches really tried so i guess i'd be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ok i am here and what we call it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sandwich studios sure what ya never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     grabbed never come up with a name for it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well I'm diagonally studios that looks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the ring to it here in beautiful Los 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Angeles California it is a twenty-fourth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of october and I've got two very special 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guests with me i have ryan Johnson 
     
     
  
 
 
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     writer and director of looper smash-hit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time-travel sci-fi movie and friend of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the show a longtime friend of the show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Adamle score i will i should point out i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think also upfront is that I've warned 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all of you on previous episodes that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were too obscene looper by now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the show will be very spoiler riffic you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should keep it up on your ipod to listen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to later if if you haven't seen the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movie and shame on you for not having 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seen that are who has an ipod anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well iphone i don't know i have an ipod 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do you really yeah because I like to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have my whole music collection the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     classic is the only one that's got that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     much capacity so boom 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ok I didn't alright I will do what you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gotta say you can say that again saying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have nothing to say except iCloud well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but that's really we don't need nobody 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't my client has a 25,000 song 
     
     
  
 
 
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     limited for someone with the music 
     
     
  
 
 
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     collection as studly as mine that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually presents a problem you do love 
     
     
  
 
 
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     music and this is something i wanted to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually ask about as well in relation 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the so it's been a it's been how long 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now since the movie came out spend like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     3-4 weeks now and you've done you you've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     done quite a number of interviews and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     press for it and you and I've tried to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     absorb all of it i mean we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     its weak just because I wanted to not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk about stuff that you've talked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about as impossible there that's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing there's only so many things you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can ask about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the movie you know it's true but button 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there are a million facets of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     process of making the movie i think i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     alright do you like talking about hello 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i would I gather you do because I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     listened to your commentary and and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can get a sense for what you like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talking about because you didn't have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anybody prompting you just had your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movie to respond to feel so naked before 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you but I'm excited about this to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fair we are naked right and you think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that is one of the event requisite in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which students that's kind of where it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gets its name music it's like I know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what that means but yeah yeah um well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's a good place to start that was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of the things that you've done and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I i don't know if it is unprecedented I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't know if you've stolen the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from somebody else but you have issued a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what would you call it a commentary 
     
     
  
 
 
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     track you know standalone and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     intention is the movie is obviously it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     still in theaters it's not out it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the DVD it's not for the blu-ray 
     
     
  
 
 
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     intentions you loaded up on your ipod 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Adam get in the theater for the second 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time you watch the movie you sit there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with your headphones on and you've got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     writer-director ryan Johnson talking to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you throughout the movie like you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watching a DVD with the commentary it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pretty it's pretty so pretty great and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     listened to it without without the movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I thanks man 
     
     
  
 
 
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     does anyone know i mean like as i slide 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business this is a battle ok this is I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have to explain myself I I i went back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and saw the movie a second time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     okay um and I wanted to take notes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     during it so I didn't want to sources of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     information competing gadget and then I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     went home after I watched the movie and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I put the commentary on by itself 
     
     
  
 
 
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     without the movie and a challenge it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     challenged me to do something I didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expect that would be doing which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trying to recreate the movie in my head 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right through it right which with a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     visually strong movie like this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     easier to do because it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wall-to-wall dialogue and long takes and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everything it's a lot of really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well-composed stuff which is what angry 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is what you do know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so what I want to get back to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     commentary stuff as well but i wanted to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first I want to start out by 
     
     
  
 
 
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     congratulating you on something I i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought was even more impressive by then 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the in theater commentary which is that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on opening night of the movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah you did you did something that was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lie i found so impressive and it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that in la here we we have a we have a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     theater a movie theater that's the best 
     
     
  
 
 
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     theater in town is called the arclight 
     
     
  
 
 
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     scott stadium seating you can reserve 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your seat and everything and always go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a row j johnson yeah yeah and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ushers are they all wear these kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     embarrassing purple banded collar short 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sleeve button-down share what you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     button button up shirts and I've always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wanted to like find one of these shirts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be a halloween i now have one in my 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     ok but i would love to borrow thank you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for offering and so what you did is you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you without you know giving up the gag 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you posed oh and these officers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     introduce the movie every single 
     
     
  
 
 
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     screening of a movie they got in front 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the audience to say thank you for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coming to the arclight you're going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be watching such-and-such movie please 
     
     
  
 
 
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     silence your cell phones & Ryan did this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in front of an expecting audience and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of your friends videotape yeah video 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it was amazing it was a pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
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     impressive and I don't know how many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people knew that it was you then and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there now that's one of the nice things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     nobody knows what directors look like so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right here there are a couple people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     snickering bed yeah well it was such a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lie i feel like it was just it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     perfect emblem of yours that the spirit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the love of movies that you have and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what you put you put into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that experience now you've gone through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     three times with releasing a feature 
     
     
  
 
 
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     film is it's always so kind of giving 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you want to put everything you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into the audience's enjoyment of movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's that that's what that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     struck me about that my kissing your ass 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's a very kind way of putting that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I appreciate that it was a fun thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for me to do that so that's a very kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of flattering way of putting it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     another thing that the ushers do as they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were in tag ya around their neck with on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lanyard that says therefore the name 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of their favorite movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah you know I borrowed one from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     somebody i forget what his favorite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movie was it was not my favorite thing 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     so maybe I Terminator 3 and maybe the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rise of the machines you go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah so that was fun 
     
     
  
 
 
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     um I learned a lot about stuff that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the the technical stuff behind the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     process of making the movie from your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     commentary just like things like the I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mean you talked a bit about your choice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in lens flare and and your lens choice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and shooting a more anamorphic format 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah here's a question why why do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anamorphic lens flares work for you and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what do you mean like why is that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exactly what do you think it says about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the frame 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well if you get that purple blues yeah a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little streak 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well I mean it's really distinct to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anamorphic lenses it's it's something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's something that doesn't look like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anything else and I like it when it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feels organic and the frame usually when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when there is a light source in the shot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you can see that it's actually 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     so when there's a there's a lot of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     instances in the movie there's like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helicopter with the you know the light 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coming right in the camera or there's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     scene between Joe and Paul Danos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     character where they're in the kitchen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the whole thing is designed to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lit by this refrigerator that's open and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the bear refrigerator bulb in there and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's a really distinct Flair that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coming off of that in one shot it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     crosses processes eyes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah we lined it up just right so that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you could kind of so because the whole 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing is he's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always spilling his guts out and Jose 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of sitting and you're trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     read what how Joe's reacting to what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     she's gonna do and was going to do and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the idea of like a mask across his eyes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I yeah yeah I know for me it i think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it looks cool 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first and foremost I think it it also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of early Spielberg movies and you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     close encounters an ET and there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something about it that just feels like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a movie to me it's interesting that it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     become something that people are are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     familiar with you know from I know JJ 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Abrams uses it quite a bit but a just a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little just a little bit yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is it i'm curious is it something that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you you talking in the commentary as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well about a couple of effects shots 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you actually used fake lens flare 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and well sounds or artifacts well it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would know what we did was for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helicopters which were cg helicopters 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they I i had had a bad experience 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with CG helicopters on the brothers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bloom we had a full daylight shot where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helicopters had to go through and we had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to create that we can't afford real 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helicopters we had to create cartoon 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helicopters and to me they always are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how hard we worked on them they always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     look like cartoon helicopters so I've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been very frustrated I knew there were a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of flying vehicles and this one our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     advantage was they were all gonna be at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     night and I had remember it's i had seen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the extras on the blade runner like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     boxset where they showed the development 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the flying cars and they showed a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pass of the the effects pass before they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     added in those really distinct of flares 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those lights are coming off the cars and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they looked terrible it look like what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was an optical comp but then when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they put those flaring lights on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     suddenly forgave all the ills and it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looked awesome and so that's what we did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with these and so those r cg but and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then there were a couple instances where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we had to we shot something that had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lens flare but then we had to like pay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     down the wire or something across the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lens there and then the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     effects guys have to repaint the lens 
     
     
  
 
 
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     flare but you're trying and I you I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think the trick is you try and keep it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I gotta work sucks i used to work in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     effects and I did invented backlit ones 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's no it's not fun 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm so what what i was going maybe get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at was well okay so you wouldn't had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lens flares necessarily that weren't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     organic which is a good thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah um OH speed is another thing I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     noticed about what helps sell the like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the cg vehicles or the like the blade 
     
     
  
 
 
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     runner type optically comped flying cars 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that sound design that that you add 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that makes it all the sudden a real 
     
     
  
 
 
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     object rather which you can you used 
     
     
  
 
 
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     great automotive sound design quite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     literally in this movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah like even in the trailer early on i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think there was a the first trailer i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     saw which is more of a teaser had some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know future car stuff that you just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sounded unlike any any automotive sound 
     
     
  
 
 
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     design weekend we had a great sound 
     
     
  
 
 
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     designer Jeremy person who had worked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually we found him because we first 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talked to skip leave say who works with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Coen brothers and who that's kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and he's kind of like a and I kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     worship that guy his the his work in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cohens movies was kind of the first time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I started really paying attention to how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sound was used as a storytelling device 
     
     
  
 
 
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     integral to the film and so I we found 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jeremy through skip and Jeremy had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     worked a lot with skip and and jeremy is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a tremendous sound designer and he I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think what he did was he took his cue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the visuals he took you know and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from kind of the feel of the whole world 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're creating which was a very grounded 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feel so you hear a lot of or you know a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of mechanical kind of worrying and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of you know stuff that sounds like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's coming from a real engine is as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     opposed to space-age but I think that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because the visual visually all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff in our movie looks like real 
     
     
  
 
 
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     engines and so he was just yeah those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kilobyte to me has a sort of millennium 
     
     
  
 
 
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     falcon starting up its yeah well that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I mean the first Star Wars was kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of you know that was that was a big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     touchstone in terms of I still think in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     terms of sci-fi movies that's when you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know it's kind of that one of the most 
     
     
  
 
 
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     convincing world that's that's ever been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     created i think because everything feels 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so lived in and so mechanical and so I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think they I'm either they either they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reused it or I'm I've lived last 30 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years of my life and alive but at that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my kid net that Millennium Falcon 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mechanical starting value was reused in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Raiders for the airplane that jock trial 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's funny jumps in the river if they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't we use it then it's I always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought it was an in-joke because it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sounds almost identical but it says how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mechanical the Millennium Falcon was a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spaceship that you could reuse the sound 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a 1937 prop plane right well it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     funny to I remember it at in film school 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at USC doing they showed like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     breakdown of the of sound effects in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sequence where he was escaping from with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the idol in the very beginning right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's the one where they reuse that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Falcon sign when he starts the plane 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah when they and they talked about how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when that the boulder was rolling down 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they close Mike the wheels of their VW 
     
     
  
 
 
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     van on the gravel driveway and just got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the mic right up close to it and that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     create that were kind of rolling stone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     against own type type field or when Indy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is holding onto the pit and the doors 
     
     
  
 
 
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     closing he starts to like it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the divine kind of starts tearing loose 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know that's that you can hear the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bite of an apple in there to hear that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     camp as it's coming loose and so yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah it'sit's um but the sounds I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you know besides just the sound 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
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     effects for the the sound design is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:47
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     really integral part of the story 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:49
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     telling and um so many the musical and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i'm just going to shift over to this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stain get on chance to shift somebody uh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're going to see I'm going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cleverly tie it back into the sound 
     
     
  
 
 
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     design and wait so many of there are so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many mechanical elements in the music in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the in the score that your composure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need your cousin correct Nathan uses in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the score does doesn't go the other way 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     are there any musical elements that are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     used in the sound design um not really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they're kind of working and more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or less working separately and there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sun because of the way Nathan works we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually ended up getting oftentimes in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the mix to the point where we would have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to choose between one or the other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:36
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     because the music and the sound design 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:37
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     work and doing the same thing and so so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:41
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     no there there there yet but you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:44
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     their stuff in the sound design that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:45
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     very musical like there's a kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:49
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     tonal beds that Jeremy will lay and that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:51
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     will just be like the ambient sound in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     room but they'll have they'll be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     performing the same function as music 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're locally grown we have they been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     laying down a drone that gives like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feeling of uneasiness or attention or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:02
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     you know but also there's like a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:05
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     percussive missing your editing style 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:07
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     and yeah it feels like over and over 
     
     
  
 
 
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     across the three movies you see these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:12
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     moments of impact that are just expertly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:14
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     achieved with cutting and sound 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean the bet the probably the best 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:22
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     ► 
     example in this movie is just the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:23
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     blender but the you know the blunderbuss 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:25
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     ► 
     going off the first time you see it it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:28
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     so impactful and it's and it's paired 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:30
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     with that just that frame of a cut when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:34
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     the figure appears and then yeah yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:38
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     do musical background oh no not really i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:41
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     died tool around on a couple instruments 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:44
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     but i'm not really but my favorite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:47
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     editing is all you know the same way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:50
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     that was talking about sound design with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:52
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     the Cohens for me you know Scorsese is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:54
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     is where it begins and ends in terms of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:56
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     ► 
     everything if you watch is ending its 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:58
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     ► 
     it's all musical it's not you know it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:02
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     ► 
     not continuity it's nights it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:04
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     purely purely jazz and based on rhythm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:07
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     ► 
     and kind of you know it's got it's got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:10
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     ► 
     its own kind of music to it so so that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:14
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     ► 
     I don't know that but the the places 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:17
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     ► 
     that I really kind of learned anything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:19
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     ► 
     from watching that very integral to like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:22
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     ► 
     you're heading with where a musical 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:23
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     ► 
     instrument you'd be good at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:25
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     ► 
     oh yeah that's right now we also i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:27
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     should say we have a very talented very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:29
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     talented editor them that worked with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bob you say it was a rigid just you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we ended up getting along really really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well just having a good working 
     
     
  
 
 
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     relationship with the first time work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah first time working with him yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Adam you said you were talking to you i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     love the adjective percussive for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sound design and one that really stuck 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out to me that really just got me so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unnerved was Sarah chopping the wood 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mm and the sound of the acts hitting the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     ah and percussive exactly was just over 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and over and over again and I was so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when you listen carefully you can hear 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some apple crumb yeah but i would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     someone interrupted the diamond and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're racking and then there's this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     horrible horrible violent acts hitting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the wood over and over again a it makes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you wince and it's that something Jeremy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Delta at first I thought as a too big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but then I realize now that actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     especially for dialogue scene like that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's kind of just backstory that she's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     telling it's a really nice kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     violent way of keeping you on your teeth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on edge during it and she really busted 
     
     
  
 
 
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     herself up doing this she did actually 
     
     
  
 
 
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     she is it's hard this swing an ax and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we'd after a bunch of takes of that her 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shoulder was was actually really messed 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     and for the rest of the shoot she 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually had a really hard time holding 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff like anytime she had to hold a gun 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with that arm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     remember we had like a our prop guy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually holding the end of the gun that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was out of frame at one point because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
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     she couldn't support person for for long 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:01
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     no oh let's see so i guess if we could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go back to like the automotive stuff you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you had constraints budgetary 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:13
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     constraints that led you to you and he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:17
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     talked about this in your commentary a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:19
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     little bit but that led you to go with a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:21
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     certain era of cars for you know that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:26
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     we're just cars in the world in 2044 m24 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:29
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     ► 
     yeah um but you're able to justify it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:35
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     ► 
     other than budgetary ways talk about 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:38
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     ► 
     yeah well you to you know anytime now I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:41
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     watch a science-fiction movie that it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     has not a huge budget and the first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:46
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     thing I look at is how did they do the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:48
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     I mean anything that's new that's in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:50
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     future because that's the expensive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:52
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     ► 
     thing that you can't get around it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:54
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     ► 
     like that's then that's the thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:55
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     is guaranteed to change no matter what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:57
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     ► 
     your take on the future is the cars are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:59
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     going to be different now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:01
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     ► 
     married 20 years from now than they are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:02
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     ► 
     now and and there are you know it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:06
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     ► 
     always interesting look like if you look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:07
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     ► 
     at with a get wizard that the one with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:12
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     ► 
     the show with the even hot Gallic attica 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:17
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     attica did the way the approach that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:19
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     they took with the retro but a very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:21
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     ► 
     specific kind of retro card that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:22
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     ► 
     don't see very often it was like all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
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     ► 
     specifically like these European retro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:27
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     ► 
     cars therefore into your eye and they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:29
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     ► 
     like an art deco yeah yeah yeahs says so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:33
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     ► 
     anyway so you have the the approach we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:36
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     took because we knew we are creating 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:37
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     ► 
     this grounded broken-down society was to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:40
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     ► 
     say okay well it's like the yank tanks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:42
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     ► 
     and Q about like people had to make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:44
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     ► 
     their cars last for 20 30 years and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:46
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     ► 
     so yeah we took with that in that way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:49
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     ► 
     we're able to take cars from now and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:51
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     ► 
     then just age them way down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:53
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     ► 
     and make them look like i've had new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:56
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     ► 
     engines kind of put into them and and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:59
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     ► 
     seems like not even just now it was like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:00
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     ► 
     it was maybe 10 and 15 years ago some of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:03
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     ► 
     the animals yeah it feels like like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:06
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     ► 
     way you talk about gattaca referring to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:08
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     ► 
     that arrow like the Art Deco era of to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:11
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     ► 
     take its the production design cues 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:13
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     ► 
     yeah I kind of think that your movie 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:15
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     ► 
     kinda took a lot of cues from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:17
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     ► 
     nineteen nineties like for a lot of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:19
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     ► 
     the wardrobe choices and you know just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:23
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     ► 
     like with the hairstyles even and I i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:28
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     ► 
     like i like the idea as the character 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     edge ft animals character Abe talks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:34
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     ► 
     about when he's making fun of jo Jung 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:36
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     ► 
     Joos ty yeah his cravat and he calls it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:41
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     ► 
     a graphic at it you never heard it never 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:43
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     ► 
     mind that i'm going to say it that way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:45
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     ► 
     from the rabbit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:46
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     ► 
     um is that that these things are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:49
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     ► 
     cyclical right and so you kind of have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:51
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     ► 
     to imagine that this world of 2044 2044 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:55
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     ► 
     yeah has already gone through the whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:57
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     ► 
     back to the seventies and eighties and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:59
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     ► 
     nineties and exactly 40 50 60 all well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:02
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     ► 
     there's also there's a man you know if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:04
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     ► 
     he if you know if you were in whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if you were in the sixties designing a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:11
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     ► 
     film that was going to be said in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     our future of 2012 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know if you look at this right here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:17
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     ► 
     in 2012 you know we were in 2012 and my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     watches from the fifties you know and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:22
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     ► 
     and you most of the stuff that were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:24
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     ► 
     wearing you could have seen on somebody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:26
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     ► 
     20-30 years ago I think that it's a i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     don't know i died i wanted to the same 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     way that good period stuff good period 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     design doesn't draw just front like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:39
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     ► 
     movie set in 1963 a big mistake is to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have everything in the person's bedroom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     beef circa nineteen sixty-three define 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:46
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     ► 
     stuff from the four days and from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:48
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     ► 
     three and stuff that would be handed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:49
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     ► 
     down and thrift thrift shop stuff so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:52
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     ► 
     taking that as you approach the future 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     seem to make a lot of sense but one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:56
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     ► 
     thing I thought to with the choice of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and aging them even to is it laid this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:03
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     ► 
     backdrop of what the economics the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     economy of the u.s. in money 44 without 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     anybody ever talking about it or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mentioning it and it was this palpable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sense of methods things have not gone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well the next 30 years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah the the miata is the hottest car 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah and and the only successful people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     seem to be gangsters red team's in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     criminal world 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah there you go my dad drove my dad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     drove me out and making 90 and it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the most futuristic thing you ever see 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well I like the idea of it being it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     funny though I realized forget if I talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about this in the commentary and talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about macgruber 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah yeah and yeah pretty taxing joke 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah as macGruber where they like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think it's gonna be a hot sports car and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they reveal to me odda and I saw that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     while we were editing for the first time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where time but you didn't every mazda 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     miata signage on the car now anyway gate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I know it is yeah I don't know if we got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     clearance because we actually there was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a futuristic car that Bruce drove in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sequence that got cut 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     actually that was a this crazy concept 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mazda so i think we had were working 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     with in 2044 into money 70 whatever yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah yeah so my favorite future car of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     all time is probably in woody allen's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh yeah if you can tell it's it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     plywood held together with strap as well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     be a Oscar Meyer Weiner yeah let me take 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     one quick let me take a quick break and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     thank our first sponsor and this is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     most unusual sponsor read we've ever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     done on the talk show i want to want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     direct your attention to field notes my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     favorite brand of notebooks everybody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     here in the room can vouch I've all my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     notes for the show are on field notes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they have a special edition the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Traveling Salesman addition it's an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     old-fashioned ledger book it looks great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that the ink on the cover is copper is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:25:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they don't want me to say anymore though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they want to know about field notes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     brand.com go there and check it out and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     at the end of this episode of the show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we've got a very special 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     production put together by the field 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     notes people about the history of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     traveling salesman 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     trust me it's worth listening to it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     going to be tacked on at the end of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     show about 20 minutes of your attention 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're going to love it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so when we're done with this episode 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just stay tuned we're gonna have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     little special message from field notes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     okay can we go back to like just going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     through period you know cyclical period 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and culture and anachronism and you are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a person who you've either like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're sort of planted in in a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     different periods in time 33 your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     story-telling there's tons of it and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     brothers bloom obviously in brick all of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the style the storytelling and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     dialogue and everything it all comes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     from a period of of story you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     storytelling from what the would you say 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:26:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     i well it's been a man ham it so its 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:26:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     okay 30 do you feel like you're a you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ever feel like you and your watches from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the fifties do you ever feel like year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of a different time and place into you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     do you I'm not to say an old soul or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:23
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     something stupid like that but do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ever feel like you know I don't know I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feel like I feel like I feel like this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is the moment that we're in this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time that we're living and I feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of the things that's exciting about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right now is especially i don't know i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     did especially the fact that culture has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     become so how exactly phrase this I did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know it feels right now like the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     idea of like everything from the past is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up on the surface seriously and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     instantly accessible and remixes ball 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and only the best from every period of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every culture and absolutely absolutely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's more accessible than ever and so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for me that's that's not that that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     entirely of this moment you know the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fact that we're drawing from all over 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     you know Indian mixing styles and errors 
     
     
  
 
 
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     completely indiscriminately and now even 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the gig look at the furniture in this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     room you know look at that next to that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     next to that you look at that you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the the design it's kind of just taking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever works and for me with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     filmmaking like I think it's the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing really it's it's all about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever is going to serve the story 
     
     
  
 
 
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     best it's all about what's going to get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the heart of what I'm trying to talk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the best and for each of these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movies that there's a different reason 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they have those kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anachronistic things and them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah but it's never because out of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sense of nostalgia for an area or a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sense of what pining for an era it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always and because that specific thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     makes me feel a certain way and so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's that communicates something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's very important to me right now in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this moment I look at wes anderson's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movies in in that light yeah with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way he just decided you know does 
     
     
  
 
 
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     production design and chooses artifacts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as object yeah so carefully from all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     throughout time you know through all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     throughout the 20th century anyway I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a movie like tetrault I'm bombs you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see ben stiller's character Chaz running 
     
     
  
 
 
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     his whole his whole investment operation 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with like you know 19 circa nineteen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     eighty-three Apple to ya next to you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know late nineties cinema display right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over this from a text standpoint of your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     technique or an apple nerd yeah you kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of geek out over that stuff but I i feel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like i've heard him talk about that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before and he said exactly what you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is he just responds to the objects 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that make the most sense 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exactly about being necessarily you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     specific to period 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah because he's creating a modern 
     
     
  
 
 
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     world like you you know where you are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's a world where the people in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that world have taste and there's an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     immediacy and that like Moonrise Kingdom 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which i think is you know masterpiece I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think it's absolutely you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my very favorite movies of the year 
     
     
  
 
 
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     definitely but I you know he i don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know he so many of the stuff in the so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many of the individual objects in there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could be considered an acronym cystic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the whole thing is built to and then 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with such as and Sarah day that it busts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through that wall and takes it so far in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that direction that suddenly everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it is incredibly vital in stand it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hits you with an immediacy they're all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every object you see is an object that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you had as a child yeah and evoke 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something that just that gets you right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there in the moment where you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     standing it doesn't smack of nostalgia 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at all it has a vital necessity to it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that uh yeah that's extraordinary 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah those are you know I was gonna say 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the other I mean I don't know the other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting thing with them i guess this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is kind of a kind of a tangent but uh I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't know essentially i always did I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think that there's talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     west/andersen specifically makes me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think of the idea of i think that in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of cases people tend to think that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     director premeditate his style the way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you would choose an outfit to put 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on in the morning and because it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     specifically directors have very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     distinct styles like Tim burden or west 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anderson it's very easy to look at their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movies and think you know or i guess to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lesser degree with what you're saying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the period stuff with the films of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     it's easy to look at them and think you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:57
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     know why did you make that choice those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     um obviously made this set of choices in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     order to and and the truth is I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know what that like I can only speak for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     myself I may be very surprised if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk to Wes Anderson if he wasn't just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that it's really the equivalent speaking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in your voice you know it's not that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:16
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     it's very little that's premeditated it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:18
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     so it's almost like when you're talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to somebody your natural accent of your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:23
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     voice is not something you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:24
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     consciously controlling you're just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:26
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     trying to communicate as clearly as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:27
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     possible what's on your mind and you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     speaking in a way that's natural to you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:30
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     if it's insulting when somebody's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:32
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     just otherwise because it's almost like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:34
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     if you're speaking your natural voice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:35
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     and they say why are you doing that dumb 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:37
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     voice right now we're ahead 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:40
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     are you doing a dumb idiot impression 
     
     
  
 
 
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     else well and also that you can see 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:44
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     though how its I know you you can see 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:46
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     that it's and if i call it it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:48
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     insulting someone's being insulting and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:50
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     calling you dumb but it's it's also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:52
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     something is very it's almost counter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:54
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     instinct Schewel to look at the film and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:57
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     and I talked about it and he quit you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:00
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     ► 
     know it's hard to communicate the degree 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:02
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     to which the some feeling of the film is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:05
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     the process of a time that thousand tiny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:08
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     little decisions to the point where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:09
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     there is something very and you weirdly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:14
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     you know the cumulative about it and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
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     where lay the the direct product of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:21
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     what's inside that they are solely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:22
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     mystic pros yeah completely as opposed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:25
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     to a determined one in that way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:28
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     yeah um so you're right we could go back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to your the you feeling like you're a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:35
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     ► 
     man of your tub this time in place is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:37
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     really exciting which I had this time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:40
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     and is overall at you what you said was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:44
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     you're a tiny little girl this time in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:45
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     place and this and it's exciting that we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:51
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     can't get to it we have access through 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:53
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     ► 
     to through whatever archival technology 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:55
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     ► 
     or whatever it is we have access to all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:57
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     the best of of of all times and cultures 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:00
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     and everything if you were to explain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:02
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     extrapolate that project into the future 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:04
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     you're going to be making movies and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:05
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     ► 
     telling stories for 10 20 30 years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:08
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     bless you sir ok so do you ever think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:13
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     ► 
     about what its gonna be like to you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:14
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     what what it was gonna be like to make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:17
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     these kinds of movies or whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:18
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     stories were gonna be telling in in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:20
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     future and you mean adding mean likely i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:24
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     mean like in the way that you feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:26
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     ► 
     we've you like if you could call it like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:28
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     ► 
     a singularity or something or unity 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:29
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     ► 
     right now and do you think but I like I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:33
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     I kind of like I look at that in a sort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:36
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     of a relative sense and think that maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:38
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     all 20 years ago they thought they had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:40
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     reached unit is some sort of a unit and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:42
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     ► 
     sure they did ya 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:43
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     ► 
     absolutely so I think it's important 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:45
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     ► 
     though to always feel like it you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:47
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     ► 
     and I mean I i think that it's no I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:52
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     ► 
     think it's incredibly important to to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:53
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     ► 
     feel like the moment you're in is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:56
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     ► 
     most exciting moment hologram is in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:58
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     ► 
     there i think that I'm i hope that in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:01
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     ► 
     the future all you know will do i'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:04
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     ► 
     still feel that way I guess maybe I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not understanding your question no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:06
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     ► 
     youyou answer to what degree do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:09
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     ► 
     think the tools that he the that you use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:12
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     ► 
     for that we use you know you and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     everybody all the thousands of people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:16
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     ► 
     have helped you make your movies yeah to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:18
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     ► 
     what do extent do you embrace those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:20
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     ► 
     tools it and think that they influence 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:23
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     ► 
     how the final product comes oh yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     now there are probably mean it's really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:27
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     ► 
     to the point where what you create is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:30
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     ► 
     inseparable from the tools that you use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:33
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     ► 
     to create at least as a film yeah at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     least from my perspective as a director 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but my experience of a film is very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     different than you know for me for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     looper is is either different to take an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     example of the most recent movie for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:47
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     ► 
     you know when I look at looper it's so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     much of it it's not my experience of it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     has a very manageable so much to do with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     my memory of making it and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     experience I had with the people around 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:57
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     ► 
     it and that means the camera that we use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:00
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     ► 
     that means the type of equipment we use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the rigs that we use the lights that we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:04
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     ► 
     just that that all that is baked into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:06
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     that film for me but thats that you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not for the audience obviously so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sometimes maybe sometimes even a on an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unconscious level 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah maybe yeah I decided about that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff about how the audience response to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     technological choices that they never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ever going to be thinking about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     consciously you hope that they do ya 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there there's a you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah you'd idea i guess you hope that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they do all you can do is and obviously 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's your also choosing your tools 
     
     
  
 
 
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     based on what feels good for you in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     terms of how it's going to look at the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     end product for example from me I that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the reason that shoot on film is that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think it looks you know it looks like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movie to me it looks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it looks good it looks it feels the way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I want you know my stuff to feel I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guess all you can do is make that for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yourself and hope that they're that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     connection on with Delhi some people in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the audience same way and it gives 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something even for argument's sake of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there was absolutely no visual 
     
     
  
 
 
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     difference between digital and film i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not saying that's true but again for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     argument's sake the fact that you are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shooting filming and you get a sense 
     
     
  
 
 
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     internally that there's real you know of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     film rolling through the camera and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably makes your experience of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     directing it different in the LA you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know it would impact the the final 
     
     
  
 
 
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     outcome as well yeah yeah i would guess 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     it also looks a lot better where I I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't think I'm ever in co will notice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the way what i did was i was in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     yeah that I have access to shoot on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     filter I mean maybe I don't know who 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have access to it it's not what do i do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you say that because like a highway all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the part of the pros and cons of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using resources go into the production 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I don't prioritize that one hot 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I don't know what I would choose 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something else the thing that's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     personal choice and it's also where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're coming from now I mean you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coming up where you're shooting digital 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the way up that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah that that's true and not that were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     far separated and age or anything but i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably my experience my early 
     
     
  
 
 
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     formative experiences of cinema ar-ar-ar 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe a little bit different from from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yours and that you like I'm or I'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always kind of personally jealous of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people who can feel the quality of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     celluloid over because i can't really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah you can't do and you see a film 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shot digitally really and I'm pretty I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     generally kind of astute about media 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff planned but that's something that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was pretty pretty blind too 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's interesting huh maybe I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know maybe maybe you could teach music 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now I got nothing that i now need to me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's night and day to me I see a movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shot digital and it can be very well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shot and can you know it's it did but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know I don't know it's very it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very rare very rare except for went well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there although a lot of times stuff the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     challenge film these days is so baked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and treated in the DIA and so messed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with it's hard to you know Andy can be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hard to decipher sometimes but I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know anyway I'm the point is not i guess 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to tip to put down another medium the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point is just to say that i like the way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the film looks I think it's the best 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looking thing out there did you want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe it is something that is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     specifically tuned into I don't know but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not to me i did it makes a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     did you or did you see that documentary 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I haven't seen ya haven't seen it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah yeah I don't know I I it's tough 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's i guess and to some degree i guess 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i don't know you could you can make the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     argument that it's like the audiophile 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talking about mp3's vs AIFS and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     listening to him and what the difference 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is a night that's it's like we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talking we be a prominent kick around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe if we had more time whenever we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk about the master too but that's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     explanation that I've seen PT Anderson 
     
     
  
 
 
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     give was that if I'm gonna shoot film 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:58
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     and that's why he shot 65 millimeter was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then i might as well go all the way and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really should film shoot the biggest 
     
     
  
 
 
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     film i can get my hands on right even if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the camera is the size of a you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     refrigerator 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:11
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     yeah film looks like a movie to me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     digital looks like video to me it just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unite and I don't know I know that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:16
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     that's anyone else's experience but now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's mine and so I'm gonna make those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:19
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     choices for my own films and them and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:21
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     kind of Labor discussion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:23
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     yeah it's kind of boring or e-mail or a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:26
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     right up here we just took a panorama 
     
     
  
 
 
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     picture of you guys actually digitally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:33
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     haven't used that feature who wants oh I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was the best of that it is really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:38
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     fantastic that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah okay awesome so if we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     triangulated right now if we each take a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     panorama we can pretty much get 360 yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:51
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     so I going back to the tools you use 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is a tech podcast I mean generally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:58
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     speaking they taught you know you talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:00
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     about other stuff movies but the people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:06
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     largely the people who listen to it are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:07
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     probably fascinated by the tools you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:09
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     know what tools of whatever trade ya so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:13
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     but there's a lot of going back inside 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the movie there are a lot of there's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:18
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     lot of tech in inside the movie you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:20
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     the ending of the movie did you did you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:24
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     spend a lot of how much thought 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:27
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     proportionately speaking did you put 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:28
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     into like imagining all these that this 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:34
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     I know like four for AI or minority 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:36
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     report offers Spielberg is something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:38
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     else greatest pianist and that you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:40
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     came up with every gadget did you do a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:42
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     lot of brainstorming reason no no thats 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:44
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     the head on that now III is interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:47
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     because i didn't write the movie from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:49
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     like a world building perspective I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:51
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     guess I was just I was mostly just doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
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     everything I could to make the story 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:55
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     work and so I wasn't thinking really of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:59
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     how the world was going to look and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:01
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     so when it came time to actually design 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:04
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     the world it was less about digging into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:07
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     what future tech will actually seemed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:10
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     like it was more about you taking that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:13
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     picture got in that it was more about is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:17
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     more just evaluate what will work for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:19
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     the story and and honestly taking a very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:24
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     simplistic approach to the tech and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:26
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     film also seemed right because I figured 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:28
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     there was so much else we are asking the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:30
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     audience to absorb and spend their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:32
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     brainpower figuring out with the time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:34
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     travel and the looper stuff in the TK 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:41:37
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     the last thing we needed was a ton of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:40
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     tech that the audience had to kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:42
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     like when sad and say oh what is that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:44
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     the crazy thing doing how does that work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:46
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     even if that's fun for me it just wasn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:49
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     what the movie was about so you know we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:51
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     got cell phones that kind of fold out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:53
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     and are cool that we have we got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:54
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     hoverbikes it can look like triumph 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:56
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     motorcycles and there's not a ton of you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:59
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     know hopefully there's nothing you can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:02
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     glance at and figure out what it is is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:04
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     invisible keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:05
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     yeah that actually like the controller 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:07
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     because the library the idea that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:09
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     there's a that you're actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:10
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     manipulating something in 3d space right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:12
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     that that that i did--like i like time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:15
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     like that you know in children of men 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:18
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     that game that the kid yeah that's right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:19
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     in there with the yeah and I also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:21
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     thought it stuck out to me that unlike 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:23
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     ► 
     minority report which everybody looks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:25
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     super cool but everybody points out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:26
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     would be physically exhausting because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:28
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     your arms name of your tongue have your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:31
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     time right out of your tom cruise before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:33
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     anybody else your shoulders would fall 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:34
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     off and we're present in looper the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:37
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     touch technology looks like something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:40
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     ► 
     you could sit there and like I do like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:41
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     work at ten hours a day and an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:43
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     ► 
     ergonomically safe i like the one that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:45
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     ► 
     old old Joe's almost called him old 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:48
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     ► 
     Bruce that's not play snap Elena was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:51
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     good that old Joe's wife uses in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:53
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     ► 
     display that she kind of vacation / your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:56
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     ► 
     fingers everybody's turning off yeah he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:58
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     ► 
     wasn't even glass it was now it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:00
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     putting their hand from a storytelling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:01
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     ► 
     perspective one of the things that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:03
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     ► 
     thought was interesting is that a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:04
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     time travel movies it's now like today 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:10
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     ► 
     when the movies being made vs where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:11
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     ► 
     you're going so back to the future 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:13
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     ► 
     it was nineteen eighty-five in 1955 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:16
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     ► 
     right i'm in looper there is no now the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:21
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     ► 
     only two years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:22
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     ► 
     really there's there's a little montage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:23
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     where you go through them but you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:24
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     talking 24 tease in the 27th ease and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and 24 teams are effectively now like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you get into that mindset where now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is 2044 right and the tech is a lot more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     grounded and and you don't spend we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't spend a lot of time in the 27th 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ease but when we do that's where there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way more whiz-bang star ever read ya 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in Shanghai to which is it like its 
     
     
  
 
 
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     search engine so ya futuristic city and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     yeah i mean it it i mean it made sense 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to me to have are you know to have our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     present-day be near future just because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I figured it was either that or we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     create an alternate present day and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's a little more complicated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to me it was just easier to wrap your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     head around the notion that ok since 30 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years from now so some things are 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     the big thing being that time travel is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     used in this way with these guys which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it would then pain in the ass if we had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     done the present day and had to have it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be something that was like underground 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but actually around today like that just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where required a lot of machinations 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that would have taken up screen times 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now ya made sense 
     
     
  
 
 
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     um so you've you've you've talked a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of other interviews about the UH the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     theory of that the the way that time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     travel operates and and i found it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting i was listening I want when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I saw the movie again I don't know we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know when I listen to your commentary 
     
     
  
 
 
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     again you said something about how when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're writing that scene between young 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and old Joe in the diner how Bruce is so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dismissive of that whole line of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     questioning and see Lawrence and is it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something you said you know where it is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     used against me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no not at all used against you you said 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bruce is more interested in what's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happening inside his head than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     explaining the time-travel stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I feel a lot like Bruce in that it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right now in that I you know I've cut I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can't wrap my tiny brain around a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time travel stuff i am confused when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:24
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     when we see the tool alternate realities 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:27
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     unfolding in you know yeah um some way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:29
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     more interested in what's happening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     inside Bruce's head and I'm Way more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:32
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     interested in what's happening in your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:34
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     head like this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:35
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     we've been talking about it and process 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of making making the movie um someone of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I feel like I'm there's two types 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:42
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     of people watching these kind of movies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:43
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     and there's people that are so smart 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:46
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     that they get caught up in all those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:47
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     details in the mission them the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:49
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     machinery of the time travel and I'm one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:51
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     of the lucky people that's not smart to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:52
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     get caught up in it so I just let it all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:54
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     fall away and i enjoy the stories are my 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:45:57
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     you built the world you're the architect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:00
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     so you get your kind of both 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:02
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     yeah yeah but at the same time that's I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:06
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     don't know they did a dead the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:08
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     you know the mechanics of time travel or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:12
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     something that they're kind of fun after 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:13
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     the fact but I'd I don't know man i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:17
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     frankly and I guess if it you know that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:20
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     to me that's almost like added it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:24
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     almost like bonus content if i go see a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:26
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     time travel movie i'm either going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:28
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     enjoy it or not enjoy it based on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:30
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     whether it was a good story and whether 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:32
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     i was into it and whether it took me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:34
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     someplace that I cared about whether it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:37
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     was funny weather was entertaining 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:38
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     ► 
     basically and then and completely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:41
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     secondary level afterwards all then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:43
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     think about and the time travel well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:45
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     this made sense that didn't make sense 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:46
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     ► 
     and i'll try and like pick it apart like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:48
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     that and so I guess that's the level on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:51
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     which it operates from me and they get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:53
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     the time travel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:55
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     ► 
     what if it's ever a priority between 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:57
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     keeping the momentum of the story up and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:00
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     ► 
     stopping for 20 seconds to explain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:03
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     ► 
     something so that somebody won't wonder 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:05
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     ► 
     about in the car ride home i'm going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:07
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     ► 
     keep the momentum of the story up to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:08
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     ► 
     that's just where my where my priorities 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:11
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     ► 
     lies it as it doesn't necessarily tell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:13
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     her you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:14
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     ► 
     yeah it probably create some like little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:16
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     bit of tension that propels the move you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:18
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     ► 
     forward anyway there's enough you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:20
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     ► 
     just yeah like the right amount of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:21
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     ► 
     mystery not too much I hope so and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:24
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     ► 
     you know yeah you always hope so and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:26
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     ► 
     always odd in the other answers you just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:28
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     ► 
     you try your best you know you just try 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:30
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     ► 
     your best and yeah I always get right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:32
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     ► 
     I'm sure there's stuff that I probably 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:33
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     ► 
     should have explained more deeply and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:35
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     ► 
     the thing and or stuff that I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:37
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     ► 
     explained too much but all you can do is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:38
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     ► 
     kind of trust your instincts and ride 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:42
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     ► 
     that line between keeping things moving 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:44
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     ► 
     and keeping things explained it so good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:47
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     ► 
     i think it's almost more important to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:49
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     ► 
     make it feel like it makes sense then 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:53
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     ► 
     let's say it's like it makes absolutely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:55
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     ► 
     that's all that's important and that was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:57
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     ► 
     you know watching time travel movies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:59
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     ► 
     preparing to write this that was a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:01
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     ► 
     really liberating thing that I realized 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:03
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     ► 
     is your it really is like doing a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:06
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     ► 
     the magician doing a trick you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:08
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     ► 
     you're not creating something that and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:10
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     ► 
     the other thing is I mean that you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:11
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     ► 
     time travel is a time travels is putting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:15
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     ► 
     in the genre of science fiction 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:17
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     ► 
     the truth is time travel in this works 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:21
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     ► 
     some people to hear this but time travel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:22
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     ► 
     is not a science for the scientists time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:25
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     ► 
     travel is a fantasy element time travel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:27
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     ► 
     is like Harry Potter stuff its magic and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:30
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     ► 
     unicorns and dragons that you have to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:31
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     ► 
     treat it storytelling was on that level 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:34
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     ► 
     where you create a little box that it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:36
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     ► 
     exists in and make sense and inside that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:38
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     ► 
     little box here and never going to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:40
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     ► 
     able to explain it or ground it to an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:43
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     ► 
     extent to where somebody can actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     analyze it with real-world logic and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:47
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     ► 
     say yes that was airtight that makes 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:48:50
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     ► 
     meta koriians in the corner there you go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:53
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     ► 
     um what I mean you've answered this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:57
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     ► 
     question hundred thousand times to isn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:59
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     ► 
     terms of all the long list of time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:01
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     ► 
     travel movies that you appreciate or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:04
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     ► 
     research you know watched his research 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:05
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     ► 
     for writing this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:06
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     ► 
     yeah um when somebody says to you back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:10
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     ► 
     to the future as well not you know blah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:12
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     ► 
     blah blah Terminator blob and future but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:15
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     ► 
     does that desire to ignite a positive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:18
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     ► 
     response in you like the yeah this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:20
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     ► 
     good that all these reference points 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:21
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     ► 
     came out in the movie or is it is it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:23
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     ► 
     like what me and I made by only screw 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:27
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     ► 
     you old man idea as tremendously good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:29
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     ► 
     because they're you know because those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:32
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     ► 
     are great pieces of people are seeing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:35
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     ► 
     that in there you know that's that's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:37
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     ► 
     huge tremendous compliment you know I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:39
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     ► 
     supposed to blah blah insert bad time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:42
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     ► 
     travel movie name here blondes yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:45
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     ► 
     that's that would be bad but you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:47
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     ► 
     and I didn't you know did I think that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:49
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     ► 
     it would because of the story was not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:52
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     ► 
     about time travel because the story was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about the characters dealing with this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:56
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     ► 
     situation I absolutely was not above 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:59
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     ► 
     using an audience's knowledge of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     genre in order to shortcut over as much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:04
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     ► 
     as I possibly could and and so and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:09
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     ► 
     far from it in terms of you know saying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:12
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     i built my own thing I didn't I stood on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:14
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     ► 
     the night i took anything i could and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not only in terms of using them as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:18
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     ► 
     storytelling things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     using them as things I knew the audience 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     would be familiar with so that I could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know so that i could shortcut over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not having to explain it like like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     fingers disappearing you know that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     exactly what i was going to jump to in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:33
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     ► 
     the way that you can pass a message to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your future self which is by writing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's scaring them you know taking an ax 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     blade and yeah writing a message into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:42
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     ► 
     your skin so that the scar shows up on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:43
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     ► 
     their future self 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yes the young Joe and I love that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     see young Joe with a bloody bandage yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     i got a text message I don't want to add 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     texted there's a gag there to that I i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know i said i warned everybody about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     spoilers but it's too risky angry so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     deep into it it's too good of a guy who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     never said that but yeah that you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that's just a really gruesome version of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     The Back to the Future Polaroid you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and i think that in that's it that's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     conceptual thing that we're all just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     culturally aware of because we grew up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     watching that movie and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     absolutely the same way that old Joe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     trying to change things by finding you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know this problem and eliminating it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     instinctively we know that from watching 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     terminator movies growing and that's I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     wanted to absolutely no use that and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     wonder this is like this this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     stretching pretty far but a by putting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Bruce Willis in your movie is that its 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     own cultural reference point it i mean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually actually it's more like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watched your movie the first time was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the first time I saw it and I and I see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bruce and I've seen 12 monkeys and I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the end without I caught myself thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is Bruce Willis from the future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah thank you very well you know I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think they've been going to spend time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with his very last one yeah and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very possible 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh it is watches from the fifties don't 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     oh is it now Anna um yeah that which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your favorite back to the future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah let's let's get right down to it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you get to brass tacks there's one cause 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's only one rational answers to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that question 
     
     
  
 
 
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     god I think I know what you're going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say but it's probably different answer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them you're kidding no I don't think I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think it's an easy answer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ok so it is there is only one out how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can you say anything but one are you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going are you a to apologist we go over 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     no not that i don't like to i think is a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     great movie been number 11 remember one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing about ya kisses his mom 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh my god yeah well it's also a number 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one news mom kisses him but either way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah number one is you know it really it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to make a really handfasted dama knology 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if number one is a you know if number 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one is a like a great tune like someday 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my prince will come 
     
     
  
 
 
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     number two is kind of a riff on that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah exactly yeah yeah but there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something about and I was just like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     perfect movie and it's just perfectly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     constructed 224 me who I just got so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     excited by the world that created the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the future world that it created in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     end that I that made me that almost 
     
     
  
 
 
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     single-handedly made me want to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movies you know yeah yeah yeah it made 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my cinematographer steve gadlin's also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like my best friends too is when I first 
     
     
  
 
 
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     met him he was still a senior in high 
     
     
  
 
 
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     school and he had shot with a new we're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to be friends because he had just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the video camera and his little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brother and his friends had shot back to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the future to like it recreated just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the kitchen the whole thing yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way that those kids do with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Raiders Steve had done somehow it back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the future two and he loves em yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and if he still doesn't really you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna hear is that when you're a kid you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     recreate any of your favorite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah i actually have told the story 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before in some interviews but I I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually almost burned down my parent's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     garage trying to recreate the DeLorean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fire tracks into the future and it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there i was a really stupid notice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I tried to do them by i figured 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i would soak little strips of toilet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     paper and gasoline obviously and lay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them out behind the car but to soak the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     strips of paper and gasoline i poured 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gasoline into a Styrofoam plate and soak 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them and of course the styrofoam 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dissolves and basically becomes napalm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know and so I let these things up they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     look great but I stamped on them to put 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them out and accidentally stepped back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into the napalm and that ignited and was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuck to my foot and meanwhile the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     garage which somehow is filming this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     inside the garage 
     
     
  
 
 
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     schwoz was feeling with black smoke and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was it was a big mess that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:46
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     yeah when when childhood love 
     
     
  
 
 
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     moviemaking combines with our next I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:50
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     wrote techniques and I definitely for a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     class project I definitely blew up the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     US embassy in Beirut like to recruit you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know to reenact to reenact that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     disastrous loud yelling a truck full of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     explosives into a model only crap you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were your another level I look down and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:08
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     down so the John and I were talking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:14
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     about this a little bit earlier I how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:19
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     that the looper had this additional 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:22
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     element that sort of took it in turn it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like added on top of the what you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:55:27
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     whatever you thought the movie was going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:29
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     to be and that was the TK element right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:31
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     the supernatural and you include that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     element in a very organic way it doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:38
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     seem supernatural and until it until 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:42
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     shit gets real 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:43
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     yeah yeah you know and what I kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:45
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     think of is like the third level iiia I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:47
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     don't normally think about act in movies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:49
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     in act structure or whatever but I felt 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:51
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     two different you know plateaus share 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:55
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     like two different kicking it up a notch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:57
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     and rare and the first one was the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:59
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     montage of Joe got becoming old Joe yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:02
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     the second one was the first time that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:05
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     said musician you know and and the sound 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:09
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     design that piercing scream there that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:12
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     that supernatural element was very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:14
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     exciting and unexpected and see like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:17
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     what just happened 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:56:20
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     I love how you there's like the extreme 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:23
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     telekinetic supernatural element and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:26
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     then like the most base stupid 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:28
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     yeah side which is that it's mostly guys 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:30
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     floating quarters above their introduced 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:32
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     like an hour earlier 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:34
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     yeah Phil minutes just there and I and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:37
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     it's there for one reason is it is to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:39
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     pick up chicks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:40
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     it's like they already in the same book 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:41
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     ► 
     and I think of like I played poker and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:44
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     ► 
     casino is a lot and then like there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:45
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     two types of poker players there's the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:47
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     kind to learn to like it is with an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:50
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     apples yeah they roll the chips with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:51
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     their knuckles and I played enough that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:54
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     ► 
     i probably could have learned but i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:55
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     ► 
     always thought that was a terrible thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:56
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     to learn because then you sit down and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:58
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     ► 
     you realize what this guy plays poker at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:00
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     ► 
     but that's what it seemed like the order 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:03
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     ► 
     thing was with the tk's was that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:05
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     just did not even thinking about it like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:06
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     the big people who can do it just sit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:08
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     there and an aide rotate a quarter to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:11
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     three inches above their palm and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:12
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     ► 
     they're not even thinking about it but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:13
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     ► 
     yeah energy and to try to pick up chicks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:16
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     ► 
     well there's a somewhat arbitrary and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:18
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     ► 
     think rather stupid rule of thumb in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:21
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     ► 
     screenwriting that you're not supposed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:22
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     ► 
     to ask the audience to buy one more than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:25
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     ► 
     one big thing that there's probably a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:27
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     name for there's something but you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:29
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     ► 
     I'm just from a screenwriting class 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:33
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     ► 
     point of view it's something that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:35
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     ► 
     probably it is something is tricky it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:37
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     ► 
     problematic i think that you know i did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:41
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     i'd i tried to it attempted obviously 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:43
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     and i think that you know there are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:44
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     people that I've talked to are heard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:46
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     from where they were it didn't work for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:48
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     ► 
     that reason we're like that's more than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:49
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     one thing you're asking me to buy why 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:51
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     ► 
     was that in there but for me it did was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:53
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     first was really necessary just because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:56
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     I wanted Sid to not just be a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:59
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     theoretical threat 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:00
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     ► 
     I didn't want him to just be someone who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:04
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     ► 
     could grow up to be evil because he's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:05
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     super smart or something i wanted that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:07
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     threat of the future to be manifest in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:11
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     ► 
     very concrete and affecting way in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:16
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     present so I wanted the danger of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:19
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     ► 
     future to be not just something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:21
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     ► 
     intellectual but something actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:22
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     ► 
     right there threatening your life and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:25
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     ► 
     and that seemed like a way of doing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:28
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     ► 
     but it did require you know planting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:31
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     ► 
     this other big thing in the first act of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:34
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     ► 
     a movie when we're already setting up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:36
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     ► 
     this one incredibly big thing and so my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:38
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     ► 
     pressure was to throw it away said to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:40
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     plant it by at the beginning when your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:42
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     ► 
     heads wrapped up in the time-travel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:43
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     ► 
     stuff to just toss this little thing out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:45
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     ► 
     there and at the end of it when the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:47
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     ► 
     time-travel stuff is gone away that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:48
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     ► 
     when we raise this thing back up that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:51
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     ► 
     was the approach i took it was very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:54
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     effective effective i want to thank our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guys we don't have think it's time I am 
     
     
  
 
 
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     enjoying here at sandwich studios i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tonks here's the thing that they do four 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's all over I'm guessing i don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I their entire company is a hundred 
     
     
  
 
 
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     percent focused on helping new brew 
     
     
  
 
 
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     amazing coffee at home so they've got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     great customer service their website has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a tremendous advice on how to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coffee thousands of different ways to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     make coffee any kind of coffee related 
     
     
  
 
 
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     question you have whether you're Marco 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Arment a total coffee nerd whether 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you've never had coffee in your life 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they will be happy to help you answer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're great guys here's the here's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     last point and this is unbelievable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they believe in there being so much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're running a free trial sign-up and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     taste what all the fuss is about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no risk it's free so just go to tonks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dot-org do NX dot or g sign up you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not gonna regret it it's it's absolutely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     delicious coffee and you'd it's really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     good if you're lazy like me and don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to leave the house if here's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     quote i got the quote from Marco Arment 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on on coffee friend of the show and and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     genuine coffee nerd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     he has a great Universal answer to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anyone who asks him how to make great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coffee get a burger grinder get an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     aeropress and subscribe to talks good 
     
     
  
 
 
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     advice and you took a sip 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you didn't flip it not in slurpin take 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to hear the slurping smile delicious 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here's here's one here's one more thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I've been wanting to talk to you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about since our mutual friend roan and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brought it up on Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yes and that is he kind of challenge you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little bit and said Ryan you're doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all this generous stuff talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all these different parts of the movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that in maybe in another time the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     audience wouldn't have access to the to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the author's thoughts right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and let's make no mistake it's very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     generous of you and but being a movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maker of 2012 means you can give that to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your audience and um have you like have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you thought about metering how much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're giving to the audience very much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know that a lot about it okay to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lose him now I don't know I thought a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot about I don't have a shit you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     an opinion I I an hour i should say i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't have like a you know conclusion 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about it something I've given a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought it's hard because I'm you know I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     am very much out there on Twitter mostly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these days and a very president and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     try to be like part of the conversation 
     
     
  
 
 
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     respond to people and that's something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I do just because i enjoy doing it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something i was doing before people were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     even really watching movies I just like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know being part of that big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     conversation that's going on and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hard because when people ask you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     questions about your movie you know you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there are several things that happen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first of all you don't want to seem like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're being a being kind of like an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     aloof jerk by saying that sunday so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever she wants to do you think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:12
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     yeah exactly but there's also something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that comes from a worse place than that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you think if i don't answer people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are going to think I didn't think about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this and I don't have an answer and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     truth is I do so I want to you know I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to respond so people know that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:29
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     you know because because I also when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:32
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     it's when it's phrased in terms of it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:34
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     being a quote-unquote plot hole or I you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:37
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     know even even though we got some really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:40
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     we would King got some really great you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:43
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     know reviews where the week I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     complain at all in terms of the critical 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:46
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     response you would occasionally read the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:48
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     review where would you know kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:51
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     dismiss the logic as you know you think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:54
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     too closely about this it doesn't make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:55
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     sense but the building 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:57
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     and the thing is I thought very closely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:59
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     about it for two years of my life and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:01
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     all makes sense and it's hard to not do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it when somebody engages you in a forum 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you can talk where you can reply 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:09
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     to it it would require just a Herculean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:12
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     effort not to i think but it's something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:16
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     that I am I don't know it does for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:20
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     next 1i guess I'mI'm i don't know i can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:23
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     really see the merit and not responding 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:25
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     i can really see the meriden doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:27
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     whatever I would need to do to to kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:30
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     of disengage a little bit I guess what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:33
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     do I know what do you think I think of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:34
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     it isn't like an editorial choice kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:37
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     of if you think about the whole world of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     your movie as as one artifact in to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:42
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     which you're contributing right now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:44
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     ya think if you choose not to answer the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:48
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     questions then you're editing your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:50
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     editing on out of debt of that artifact 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:52
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     that artifact separate from looper them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:54
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     the movie that people has a starting to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:57
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     finish and but you can't ignore the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:00
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     right now the artifact takes on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:03
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     different form being you know having 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:05
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     exposure to conversation the artifact 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:09
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     being a massive conversation that yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:12
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     the national conversation or the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:13
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     artifact being every release of of this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:17
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     ► 
     the original Star Wars trilogy that ever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:18
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     existed in every piece of packaging and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:20
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     ► 
     every toy beeping a part of the movie 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:22
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     right air and I'll kinda like thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:24
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     about it that way to yeah it is it Anna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:27
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     is it and is it is there value in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:33
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     letting it exists on its own label 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:36
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     sticker itself and even if that means 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:38
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     ► 
     short-term they're going to be people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:40
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     ► 
     who you know see it once don't give it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:43
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     much thought and say this damn makes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:45
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     ► 
     sense because of this or that but maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:46
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     ► 
     they see it on DVD on gian anh brain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:49
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     ► 
     chip 50-foot 10 years from now and say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:52
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     oh actually this and this yes that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:54
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     interesting you have been having the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:55
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     patience to let it take root and let it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:58
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     do its own thing rather than trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:01
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     immediately patch it yourself is is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:04
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     there are married in an absolutely i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:07
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     think there is i mean i am speaking as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:09
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     somebody who racked it reacts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:10
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     ► 
     defensively constantly throwing you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:12
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     ► 
     it's all things I see merit in in not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:16
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     ► 
     making decisions based on defensive is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:18
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     ► 
     and yeah yeah yeah i don't know i'm sure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:20
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     ► 
     i honestly I'm still figuring I think it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:22
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     ► 
     at Camp isn't any doubt the time travel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:25
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     movie invite that sort of feedback to a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:28
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     much greater Lenny movie you're going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:29
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     ► 
     invite criticism of characters decisions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:32
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     ► 
     shell and that in the end if the movie 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:34
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     ► 
     and would in a way that you didn't want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:36
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     going to get complaints no day at a time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:38
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     ► 
     travel movie invites like this whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:39
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     second level of I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:42
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     ► 
     fantasy metaphysics yeah yeah yeah its 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:46
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     yeah you're you're you're you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:48
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     ► 
     operating in that tricky gray area of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:51
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     ► 
     where science meets fiction and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:53
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     ► 
     you're inviting all sorts of yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:54
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     ► 
     there's a gotta be there is a small 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:57
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     ► 
     number of people who have very strong 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:58
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     ► 
     opinions about what would happen if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:01
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     ► 
     traveled back in time and get yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:02
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     ► 
     and regardless of those assholes i think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:05
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     permanently generous of you to have been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:09
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     ► 
     contributing to the conversation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:10
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     ► 
     including coming and being with us today 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:14
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     mmm yeah thank you very much I mean this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:17
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     ► 
     is a real thrill is that they're done 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:21
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     ► 
     the following podcast is brought to you 
     
     
  
 
 
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	 01:07:37
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     my philosophy is that because I've been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:43
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     ► 
     so tied in with traveling sales for so 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:46
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     ► 
     my dad and I might both my sons are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:49
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     ► 
     traveling salesman i really think that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:52
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     ► 
     the travelling salesman is probably the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:54
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     ► 
     inspiration for our country the way it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:57
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     ► 
     is now because they're industrious 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:59
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     ► 
     people they they work very hard they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:02
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     ► 
     don't take no for an answer and to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:05
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     ► 
     that's that's what we are today in this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:07
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     ► 
     country and the traveling steals the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:09
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     ► 
     salesman is still there there in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:11
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     ► 
     television or on radio there on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:13
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     ► 
     internet and they're still there are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:15
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     ► 
     traveling their ways they aren't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:17
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     ► 
     traveling door-to-door much but I guess 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:19
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     ► 
     you're still there and it's been it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:22
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     ► 
     been a real trip to travel along with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:23
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     ► 
     them these many years that's Ron solberg 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:26
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     ► 
     author of The Wiz bangs of oohs and aahs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:28
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     ► 
     America salesman their lower lives and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:31
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     ► 
     laughs which is an incredibly thorough 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:32
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     ► 
     guide and fascinating history of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:34
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     ► 
     traveling sales in this country we got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:36
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     ► 
     the chance to sit down with Ron recently 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:38
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     ► 
     for an interview to talk to him about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:39
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     ► 
     the profession and some of the stories 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:41
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     ► 
     behind those who criss cross the nation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:43
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     ► 
     before us so Ron thanks so much for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:48
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     ► 
     joining us you you actually have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:49
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     ► 
     background in traveling sales yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:52
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     ► 
     he said well I really got started 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:53
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     ► 
     working my for my father in southern 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:55
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     ► 
     Minnesota he was my boss and when i was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:58
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     attending college and make a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     money to go to college and so he hired 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:02
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     me as one of his traveling salesman and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:05
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     I went door-to-door both in communities 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:07
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     and in farms and was selling brushes and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:11
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     what waxes and insecticides during the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:14
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     summer months and actually was making 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:16
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     pretty good money a hundred-dollar day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:17
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     was considered to be pretty good and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:20
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     got about fifty percent of that so I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:22
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     making maybe fifty to sixty dollars a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:24
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     day on those hundred dollar days so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:27
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     you're currently a teacher and i think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:28
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     i'd read in your book that your father 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:30
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     was also a teacher as well wasn't he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:33
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     he was he was a stranger in Minnesota 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:35
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     and this would be in the 1930s and he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:39
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     actually started selling these canning 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:43
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     products for you can-can pickles and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:45
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     things and he was selling that door to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:47
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     door but he went into four brushes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:49
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     and he realized he was making more money 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:51
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     selling for brushes in the summer than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:52
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     he was teaching in the other nine months 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:55
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     of the year so he made the logical move 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:57
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     to switch back to to fuller brushes and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:01
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     he was a he was a boss get about 15 guys 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:03
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     ► 
     working for him in southern Minnesota 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:06
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     ► 
     and I was one of those guys during the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:08
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     ► 
     summers at least he was he was terrific 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:11
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     ► 
     I'd get down and I couldn't make a sale 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:14
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     ► 
     and for the life of me and I come back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:16
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     ► 
     to them and say dad I I just I really I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:18
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     can't do it the doors are being slammed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:20
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     in my face is well let me help you any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:22
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     ► 
     he come back with me and walk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:23
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     door-to-door and he was super he he had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:26
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     ► 
     away and it's hard to even explain it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:28
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     ► 
     but he taught me to be a good salesman 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:31
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     and the trick really was a volume is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:35
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     number of stops to make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:37
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     if you make certain number of stops for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:39
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     instance in a community you're going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:41
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     ► 
     be going to make the hundred-dollar day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:42
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     ► 
     if you panic in farmers are bigger 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:45
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     ► 
     buyers at least they were at that time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
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     ► 
     because they didn't get to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:47
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     ► 
     department stores in other places and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:50
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     ► 
     you didn't have to make as many stops at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:52
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     ► 
     farmers but if you made those stops 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:55
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     ► 
     that's a three to four stops in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:57
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     country in an hour you probably would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:59
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     make make a pretty good day for yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:02
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     do you know approximately how many years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:05
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     ► 
     he sold for I don't know he must have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:07
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     ► 
     been selling for brushes and and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:09
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     ► 
     field manager for maybe 30 years 20 to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:11
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     ► 
     30 years we finally retire down to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:13
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     ► 
     Arizona he couldn't get out of the sales 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:15
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     ► 
     business so he he went to selling maps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:18
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     ► 
     to schools so in the end in the sense he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:20
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     ► 
     can was returning to his roots because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:22
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     ► 
     he he was going back to the school but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:24
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     ► 
     as a salesman i went along with them to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:26
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     ► 
     kind of see how he did it and you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     ► 
     he was using super salesman just was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:31
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     ► 
     getting into the the history of it what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:34
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     ► 
     are the origins of the Traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:36
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     ► 
     Salesman the earliest sales people in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:39
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     ► 
     Europe they call them monitor banks and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:43
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     ► 
     Monta bank actually translates into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:46
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     ► 
     somebody who would stand on it on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:48
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     ► 
     platform and promote a product kinda 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:51
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     ► 
     like you see in a carnival barker or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:53
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     ► 
     something to that effect and so it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:55
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     ► 
     stationary wasn't a traveling salesman 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     ► 
     although they would travel as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:59
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     ► 
     group from place to place kinda like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:01
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     ► 
     early patent medicine people would they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:04
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     ► 
     have their patent medicine shows and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     ► 
     bring their shows around just in America 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:08
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     ► 
     but they were doing that in Europe and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:10
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     ► 
     developed differently in the states in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because in Europe the enterprise 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:15
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     ► 
     themselves were selling the they had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     rights to sell their products in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     particular areas in in this country the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:23
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     ► 
     salesman went out and sold away from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     enterprise they might sell clocks or 10 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where but they could make it roam the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     ► 
     country they didn't have they didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:33
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     ► 
     have any particular territory that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     were locked into and so that was kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a difference the travelling salesman in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     America really traveling and of course 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you had a different situation or two 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:44
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     ► 
     with with being a wide-open country and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:46
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     ► 
     and people were located in different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:49
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     ► 
     areas in fact one author is called it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:51
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     ► 
     the the introduction of the everywhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:53
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     ► 
     community because in a sense the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:56
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     ► 
     travelling salesman was was bringing the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:59
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     ► 
     the goods and services from the city's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:01
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     ► 
     out east boston and other is to to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:05
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     ► 
     farms and settlements that were farther 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     west they were they were several things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they weren't just salespeople they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     also newspapers in fact that was an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     important role that these traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:16
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     ► 
     salesman had an early times they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:18
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     ► 
     carrying news with them they would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Johnny Appleseed for instance was very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     much involved in warning settlers as to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:25
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     ► 
     maybe some some Indians or sort of on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the warpath agency and they would tell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     them you know you've got some problems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     coming down the road here so this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really travelling salesmen were more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     carriers of news and advice so they had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     multiple multiple functions and with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     those early salesman what what were they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     selling exactly or rather what was the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     most like prevalent thing or things that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they were selling book salesman were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:52
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     ► 
     probably the most common salesman and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:56
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     ► 
     sales women in in the 19th century one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:59
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     ► 
     of the finest book salesman of all time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:02
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     ► 
     was parson whims eat his primary product 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     will buy it was Bibles but actually he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:09
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     ► 
     wrote his own things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     some say he's kind of equivalent to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     current reports for National Enquirer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and some of the others because he would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     tend to fictionalize the the people of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:18
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     ► 
     his day like George Washington for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     instance he wrote a story about George 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Washington cutting down the cherry tree 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and and telling his dad it was you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     read it and is that complimented him for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for being honest and that's fiction it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     didn't really happen but actually what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     did happen is probably Williams is on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sun did something very much like that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but I don't think he admitted to stay at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that he had done it but he wrote a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of books and they were very popular 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people really enjoy them and what's kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of interesting about the web's book the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the book about George Washington about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     being honest it was one of Abraham 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Lincoln's favorite favorite books i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     believe that he had like the book so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:00
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     ► 
     much that of course his campaign theme 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     was on a state and he probably got it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     from person rims and the story about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     George Washington so these things get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     kind of passed on and in strange ways 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but book sales can be involved in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     another way uh it's called subscription 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:17
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     ► 
     subscription sales they would go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     door-to-door with a portion of a book 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     with some illustrations and text and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there were a lot of blank pages and they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     would go door-to-door and say we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     selling this book are you interested and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they said yeah I'd like to buy that book 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:32
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     ► 
     and so they put their write their name 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the back of the book and they go to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:36
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     ► 
     the neighbor and say you know your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     neighbor down there said that they'd 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like to have this book maybe you would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     too and so the neighbors oh my gosh it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     endorsed by my neighbor slops I'll sign 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for it and of course they didn't have to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     publish a book at a time because they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     knew just how many books are going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sell Mark Twain got involved in that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that kind of process his early books 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     were sold by subscription publishing one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of the most successful subscription 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     published a salesperson was a woman and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     she was criticized for for doing this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     women shouldn't be doing that sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     thing they should be going out in public 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and and knocking on doors and and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     she got so mad about it that she wrote a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     book about that defending her position 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that that she should be able to do that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just like anybody else just because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     she's a woman shouldn't restrict 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     come from that profession but it's very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     very important way of selling books and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the 19th century there's that that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sort of stereotype they're not to answer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your door because they're gonna give you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this hard sell and they're going to try 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and make you buy something but in those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     early days when these people were so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     kind of like rural and way out and in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     these distant areas i was it something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like more positive because the strangers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     coming to your door and he's going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     talk to you and he's also gonna bring 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     interesting things from the outside 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:16:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah it was for many different reasons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     one of the kind of traveling salesman is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     called the Arkansas traveler and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Arkansas traveler actually person was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     probably in arkansas traveler not just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because he sold books in Arkansas but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the characteristic of the Arkansas 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     traveler was that he would speak with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people who are really out in the boonies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and people who really don't talk to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     anybody they were there to get away from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     life i guess we get away from from other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:23
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     people and so he had to ingratiate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     himself with these people to sell these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     items and so what he did is he brought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     his violin and instruments with him and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     he would invite the these people to join 
     
     
  
 
 
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     him in music and of course that really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really attracted them and that was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     typical the Arkansas traveler also a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     traveling salesman or collectors 
     
     
  
 
 
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     collectors of music you have a couple of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     traveling salesman who were selling 
     
     
  
 
 
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     nursery items they were not out there to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sell the items as much as they were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     collecting the music of of america and a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couple of museums ones in Missouri and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the other windows down in North Carolina 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that has a collection of massive amounts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of music of the time this should be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:10
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     nineteenth-century america and of course 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the case of the music can reverse the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     whens was there to contribute is music 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but these traveling sales people were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:21
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     there to collect the music of the people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other people did other things their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     storytelling was big and they the people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     knew that when the salesman came along 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here a lot of stories to tell 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you were jokes i can see why people were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     attractive they knew that this is sort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:39
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     of an entertainer who was coming around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and in the process they buy some things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the entertainer the travelling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:45
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     salesman would come in a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:46
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     different colors and brands and purposes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fact and one the travelling salesman was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:51
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     collecting the music is Boston you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're not doing much selling frankly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get your trading your your goods in this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     case nursery items for music you're not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're not really bring in much revenue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but that wasn't is his thing in your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:05
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     book you've dedicated a whole section to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:08
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     Johnny Appleseed and you said you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:09
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     consider him a legendary traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:13
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     that's not something you usually think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:14
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     of when you think of these this iconic 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:18
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     why do you consider him a traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:20
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     salesman for several reasons Johnny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:22
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     Appleseed covered a lot of territory he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:25
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     started out in the east coast and in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:27
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     went all the way up to Indiana and he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:31
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     was spreading the word about very very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:33
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     important product with the apple today 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:36
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     it's pretty common but at the time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:37
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     people didn't have access to sweeteners 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:40
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     and certainly alcoholic beverages an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:43
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     apple compatible Jack and it's also a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:46
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     preservative and and perhaps the most 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:49
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     important element of the Apple was that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:51
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     it intended to serve as boundary the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:53
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     trees served as boundaries to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:55
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     property because these people were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:57
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     settlers end and they were just claiming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:59
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     their piece of land and they could claim 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:01
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     land bye-bye ringing their territory 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:05
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     with these apple trees so Johnny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:06
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     Appleseed is really helping them settled 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:08
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     as well but he's also a missionary he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:11
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     was so he was passing on information 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:15
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     about the Swedenborg and religion which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:17
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     ► 
     is kind of in a really equal to his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:20
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     ► 
     isn't interested in in the people that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:22
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     ► 
     he was talking to and the the college 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:25
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     ► 
     there in urbana is actually there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:28
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     ► 
     because of Johnny Appleseed he he was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:30
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     ► 
     able to persuade a friend of his to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:32
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     ► 
     donate property to to the college that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:35
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     ► 
     they could put that the educational kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:37
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     ► 
     of facility up and build it is a very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:40
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     ► 
     interesting person i think that the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:43
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     ► 
     real story about Johnny Appleseed is far 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:45
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     ► 
     more interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:47
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     ► 
     and really unusual than the legends that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:50
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     ► 
     have grown up around and disney and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:52
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     ► 
     others have tended to fictionalize much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:55
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     ► 
     what he was but he was he was truly an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:58
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     ► 
     inspiration there are certain sales 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:01
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     ► 
     techniques or things that we now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:03
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     ► 
     consider like sales staples that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:06
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     ► 
     write about that you were born from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:08
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     ► 
     heyday of traveling sales like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:10
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     ► 
     warranty in the money back guarantee 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:13
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     ► 
     well in terms of the warranty or the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:16
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     ► 
     money back guarantee 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:18
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     ► 
     marshall field's was an early innovator 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:20
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     ► 
     and of course it was very very popular 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:22
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     ► 
     and that was the cornerstone of his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:25
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     ► 
     early business here in Chicago the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:28
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     ► 
     title of my book has words was banging 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:30
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     ► 
     in it and of course that was a word that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:32
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     ► 
     he called his his people with bangs his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:35
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     ► 
     traveling salesman of the other thing is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:38
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     ► 
     giving away samples and of course a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:40
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     ► 
     of started to you as door openers and i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:42
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     ► 
     use samples when I was selling for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:44
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     ► 
     brushes I'd pastry brushes and vegetable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:46
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     ► 
     brushes and and the bottles of perfume 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:48
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     ► 
     and I say if you talk with me for just a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:51
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     ► 
     moment of give you this pastry brush of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:53
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     ► 
     this vegetable brush and that doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:55
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     sound like a big deal today but it was a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:58
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     ► 
     big deal and frequently these these door 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:01
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     ► 
     openers became products one of the most 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:04
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     ► 
     amazing stories i think is with the SOS 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:06
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     ► 
     pad it was a he was selling out for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:10
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     for the kitchen cookware control 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:12
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     ► 
     beginning door open so he was talking to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:13
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     ► 
     his wife and he's what can i do to get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:16
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     ► 
     the door open to sell my goods and she 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:17
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     ► 
     said well when we when we do something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:20
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     ► 
     with us a pad that maybe a steel wall 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:24
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     and maybe it has soap in it and give 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:26
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     that away and maybe the doors will open 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:28
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     one of course they did but the the kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:31
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     ► 
     of funny part of this was that he said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:33
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     well what what what are we going to call 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:35
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     ► 
     this thing and she's a lot of imma call 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:37
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     ► 
     an SOS pads into the SOS pads would save 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:40
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     ► 
     our saucepans and so his wife in that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:43
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     case was his partner in and putting that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:46
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     ► 
     together Wrigley started out selling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:48
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     ► 
     soaps and he's giving away Styx ago and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:51
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     ► 
     of course we now know that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:52
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     government far more popular and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:54
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     ► 
     is soaps and what's interesting about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:58
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     ► 
     that he took a step took it a step 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:59
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     ► 
     further but by mailing out samples to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:03
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     ► 
     people with telephones and chris is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:07
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     ► 
     early 20th century so he used it the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:09
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     ► 
     addresses of people with telephones as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:13
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     ► 
     his the potential customers avon 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:16
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     ► 
     products started out as he was selling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:19
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     ► 
     books and he needed a door opener and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:23
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     ► 
     he worked with I think a relative who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:27
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     ► 
     was a pharmacist and he said can I put 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:28
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     ► 
     something together that maybe would open 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:30
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     ► 
     the door and they concocted some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:32
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     ► 
     perfumes and things and of course now we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:34
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     ► 
     know that the perfumes and cosmetics 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:36
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     ► 
     became far more interesting to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:38
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     ► 
     customer than the things he was trying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:41
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     ► 
     to sell the name is kind of interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:43
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     ► 
     the reason is called Avon is because he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:45
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     ► 
     lived in New York and he lived near a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:47
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     ► 
     river that look very much like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:48
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     ► 
     stratford-on-avon in England where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:51
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     ► 
     Shakespeare from so that's that's where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:54
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     ► 
     they got the word Yvonne and you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:56
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     ► 
     other bits it's serendipitous how things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:58
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     ► 
     happen we have a traveling salesman la 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:01
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     ► 
     who of course we know and now is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:04
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     ► 
     potato chip man discovered that Chef 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:09
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     ► 
     coincidence names crumb out in saratoga 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:12
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     ► 
     and the story goes that Vanderbilt came 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:15
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     ► 
     in the very wealthy railroad man came in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:18
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     ► 
     and ordered some potatoes and the chef 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:21
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     ► 
     delivered them and vanderbilt said you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:24
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     ► 
     know this is this is not good and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:26
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     ► 
     chrome went back and invented the potato 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:28
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     ► 
     chip and called the saratoga trip 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:30
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     ► 
     initially it was just a regional thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:32
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     ► 
     he was discovered by leigh and he bought 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:36
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     ► 
     a bunch of this bag it up put in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:38
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     ► 
     trunk of his car and store the store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:40
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     ► 
     saying I've got something here that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:41
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     ► 
     think you'll be interested in course we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know today that free delay is you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:46
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     ► 
     begin in the potato chip business and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:48
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     ► 
     what's I think so important about these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     salespeople the very best sales people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     take advantage of the moment they they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:55
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     ► 
     they see something and they say my gosh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:57
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     ► 
     this is this is something that will sell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:59
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     ► 
     favorite story i have is a learned about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:03
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     ► 
     it when i was working with this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:05
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     ► 
     really great salespeople one of them had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     been out to Colorado and he was skiing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:11
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     ► 
     with his wife they were going from one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:13
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     ► 
     peak to another to go to to another 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:15
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     ► 
     slope and they were going to be taking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:18
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     ► 
     this cable car from one location to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:20
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     ► 
     next and my they were trying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:23
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     ► 
     transversing this valley small plane 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:26
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     ► 
     came down and clip the cable and the two 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:28
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     ► 
     or three of the cable cars in front of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this this insurance it salesman crashed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:33
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     ► 
     into the valley across it they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     killed and but he was left dangling up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:36
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     ► 
     there above the valley with his wife and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the process sold insurance policies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to the people who were in that car again 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     each other these people see the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     opportunity and they they take advantage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of it they just did and they aren't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     necessary taking advantage of people in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     most cases i think they're they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     giving people something that they maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     didn't realize that they wanted in the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:26:02
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     ► 
     one of the favorite stories that i have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is the man who was actually from this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     particular area went to college in April 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:26:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     his name is better million gates he did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:12
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     ► 
     wasn't born a better million but that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:14
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     ► 
     what they call them later gates 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:16
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     ► 
     eventually would sell barbed wire for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the people in dekalb in fact help 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:21
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     university northern illinois university 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:23
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     is probably there because of the barbed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:25
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     wire business and because that's where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:28
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     ► 
     barb wire was invented in to count but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:30
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     ► 
     he started selling barbed wire and he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:33
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     ► 
     was called been a million because he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:35
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     ► 
     would he would bet on anything he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:37
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     ► 
     started his first sailing west and he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:41
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     ► 
     has so some farmers who had cattle who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:44
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     ► 
     were roaming all over the place across 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:47
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     this way had the cowboys because they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:48
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     ► 
     had to continue to corral these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:50
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     ► 
     cattlemen and know where they work and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:53
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     ► 
     you so i can keep the scandal right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:55
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     ► 
     there there's three very wild cattle but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:57
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     ► 
     I can keep them there and and they said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:59
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     ► 
     they can't do that he said I betcha I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:01
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     ► 
     can of course he's throwing the barbed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:03
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     ► 
     wire around these cattle and they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:05
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     ► 
     ready to go anywhere eventually was so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:07
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     ► 
     successful selling barbed wire that he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:09
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     ► 
     went in the steel business Republic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:11
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     ► 
     Steel and it's probably his biggest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:13
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     ► 
     venture was a oil company that we didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:16
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     ► 
     know now is Texaco 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:18
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     ► 
     that was his company so very wealthy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:20
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     ► 
     that he was so wealthy that he actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:23
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     ► 
     did for Carnegie steel business across 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:26
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     ► 
     Carnegie we know is probably was one of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:29
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     ► 
     the wealthiest people of all time in and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:31
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     ► 
     in America but that's how wealthy this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:34
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     ► 
     guy was the gates for something else I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:36
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     ► 
     mean he was very successful and he knew 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:39
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     ► 
     what he wanted to do and he took 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:40
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     ► 
     advantage of the moment just like so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:42
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     ► 
     many of these is very good salespeople 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:44
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     ► 
     do with those success stories do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:46
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     think there's a process of like that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:48
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     ► 
     process of learning to walk toward the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:49
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     ► 
     door and kind of meet all kinds of mix 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:52
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     ► 
     of people does that help and and does it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:54
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     ► 
     further their career in the end 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:56
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     ► 
     ultimately and end is learning to sell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:59
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     ► 
     have some sort of benefit in general do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:01
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     ► 
     you think i've seen articles written 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:03
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     ► 
     about this that sales training can help 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:06
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     ► 
     people in almost any location 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:09
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     ► 
     except you're a monk or somebody that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:11
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     ► 
     set a computer all day and we need to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:13
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     ► 
     talk to anybody but I think there's some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:15
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     ► 
     basic principles that you learn just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:19
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     ► 
     going door-to-door one of them is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:21
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     ► 
     there's formulas the formula i mentioned 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:23
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     ► 
     to you that you you have to make so many 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:25
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     ► 
     stops in an hour in town and i think it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:28
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     ► 
     was i think the the formula was eight 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:31
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     ► 
     stops our if you go slower than that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:34
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     ► 
     you're not selling if you're faster that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:36
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     ► 
     you're not selling so it stops an hour 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:38
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     ► 
     in the country it was four stops an hour 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:40
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     ► 
     so it's formulas that you learn and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:43
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     ► 
     there's also the idea that optimism 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:47
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     ► 
     persistence is so important and I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:52
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     ► 
     that's kind of an intangible but but it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:54
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     ► 
     is important and I think the very best 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:57
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     ► 
     salesman our friends to the people that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:58
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     ► 
     they sell to Johnny Appleseed was a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:01
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     ► 
     friend to his people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:02
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     ► 
     there's so many examples where they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:04
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     ► 
     didn't see them just as salespeople but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:06
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     ► 
     they were friends and I think it goes as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:09
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     ► 
     far as to talk about some of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:10
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     ► 
     television personalities like Ron Popeil 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:12
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     ► 
     he comes across to you as a friend I've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     got something I want to share with you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:17
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     ► 
     give me a moment and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:19
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     ► 
     I'll tell you about it because it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really pretty good bargain and only 999 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:23
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     ► 
     a month for and i'll give you something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     extra with that i'll give you a cookbook 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:29
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     ► 
     or whatever it is they they know the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:33
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     ► 
     people are talking to in there they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:35
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     ► 
     like friends and the moment as a teacher 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:39
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     ► 
     I can't call it the teachable moment but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:41
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     ► 
     the it's a sellable or the sales moment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:44
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     ► 
     when there's a moment when you say yes i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know that this is something you could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:48
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     ► 
     use one of the quotes is the last one to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:51
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     ► 
     say something you know the cell is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:54
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     ► 
     buyer so you wait until the customer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:59
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     ► 
     says something you don't talk over the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:01
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     ► 
     customer you you let the customer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:03
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     ► 
     finally say something and person that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     says something last is probably the one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:07
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     ► 
     who's winning 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:08
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     ► 
     I should say is is buying in this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:11
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     ► 
     particular case there are techniques and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     some of it is more art than science but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a lot of it is things that you can tell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people you should be doing it this way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for instance one salesman very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     successful says you gotta have a gimmick 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     his gimmick was jewelry he had some very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:32
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     ► 
     fancy jewelry watches and things that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:35
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     ► 
     people isn't really that's very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:37
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     ► 
     interesting and so they would become 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:39
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     ► 
     interested in him as an individual's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     way that's what you got there that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:43
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     ► 
     entry that was his his thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     how did your book wound up happening how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     did how did with bangs get written and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:50
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     ► 
     what was the process there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm a history teacher and i was asked by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:54
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     ► 
     the Newberry Library to put together 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     some us appliance on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:59
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     ► 
     turn-of-the-century sales activity or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:02
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     ► 
     labor activity in chicago and i decided 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:05
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     ► 
     to focus on merchandising and marketing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:08
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     ► 
     and and as I was doing that I realized 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:10
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     ► 
     that this is this inches to a lesson 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     plan it's a book so seven years later I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:17
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     ► 
     ended up completing this book about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     traveling salesman it was some of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     most rewarding times that I've ever had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     combed the stacks of the library 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:27
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     ► 
     Congress and the new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:28
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     ► 
     Barry librarian in fact that's where I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:30
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     ► 
     found this journal this Bible salesman 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     am Jones was a journal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:34
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     ► 
     I don't know that anybody ever seen it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it was I had a handle it with gloves 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because it was very fragile probably one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of the first things i find it with this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is this is unbelievable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe this is something that's written 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     by a traveling salesman you know a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     hundred-plus years ago and it told me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     his techniques and everything else and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so one thing led to another I realized 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that such a wonderful rich rich field 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and i had the opportunity to do is serve 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     as a researcher in that library Congress 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     home their stacks for everything they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     had visited museums i visited the parson 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     whims museum and virginia and i went 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     through their stacks they had a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     information about personal whims and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     don't want it was just there's so many 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not wonderful resource is the patent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     medicine capital of the country which is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:26
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     ► 
     marshall michigan at the turn of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     century early 20th century there were a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     hundred plus patent medicine businesses 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in marshall michigan talk to a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people there and we knew a lot about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     patent medicine business and that was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that was thrilling to to get in touch so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're just a number of resources being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     able to talk to people being able to go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to museums libraries and some of said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well you became sort of a traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     salesman show again by kind of traveling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     around and selling my ideas or at least 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     buying idea that goes from others you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have a whole section about humor that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     based around the travelling salesman in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:33:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     how did that come about some historians 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     believe that you can tell more about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     life of a Salesman by reading the humor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of the day then than almost anything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     else because some of the humor that I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have collected goes back under 50 years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and it's funny today as I think it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     probably was the day that the salesman 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     first uttered it a lot of jokes about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     themselves they like to make fun of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     themselves and so many that so much of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     humor is a farm farmer salesman my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     favorite story is the Traveling Salesman 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     came up to the door 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     r and as he was knocking in the farmers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     door life comes to the door and he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     notices a three-legged picture i would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     speak with it wouldn't like running by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you said before I sell you something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I've got to ask you about this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     three-legged figured what's with that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and want to see that pig is very special 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well i think i can see that it's got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     three legs and I wouldn't like they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well it does more that pig our daughter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is failing math and that pic to your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     daughter she's straight A's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well thatthat's that special but it will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what about the three legs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there's more this house was on fire that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pig comes in rescues us and today we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     here because that pig got us out of the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:34:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well that's that special but what about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the three lights there's more we were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     destitute we didn't know where our next 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     dollars coming from the pig nose that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     goes the backyard is all vines oil 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ok alright alright special p tell me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about the three legs well I pic like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that you can't eat all the words it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     great you mentioned at the start that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     all of this historical traveling sales 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is wound up coming around and now kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of there are glimmers of it on TV in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     internet and you specifically you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     reference that the grocery store chain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     jewel here in Illinois but that's sort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:56
     ◼
      
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     of a good example of what goes around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the drill teeth company has started out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in Chicago actually doridori you went 
     
     
  
 
 
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     door-to-door selling coffee and tea and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things and it was an innovation at the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time because at that point if you want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to get coffee and tea you go to store 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it probably in a barrel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it wasn't very fresh and so he was able 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to deliver some fresh food door to door 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of his wagon and of course one thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     led to another and it became a grocery 
     
     
  
 
 
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     store he actually the the founders of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     eventually acquired by the grocery store 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business move fast forward to do about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that perhaps 20 years ago and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     introduction of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     peapod and what happened was of course 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people now started going to the grocery 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stores picking out the items for you and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in delivering them to you so that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get the fresh products needed nap to go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the store and get them yourself you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know where they got those items from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     jewel T they actually shop jewel T to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pick up the groceries to deliver to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people so it came full cycle you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you go from door to door to the grocery 
     
     
  
 
 
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