The Incomparable

200: Butter Zone


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  the incomparable number 202 2014 [TS]

  welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

  podcast i am your hostess and smell and [TS]

  I am closed up in a room with people [TS]

  strange people you may know as regular [TS]

  people who are on the car we already on [TS]

  straitjackets chasing why we close up in [TS]

  this room i'll tell you later [TS]

  I'll explain later joining me in person [TS]

  we like to do this when we're in person [TS]

  because we're so rarely together all in [TS]

  one place where there are microphones [TS]

  are you heard them [TS]

  dan more'n hello hello serenity Caldwell [TS]

  I and he hasn't said anything yet [TS]

  because he thinks we're all crazy now [TS]

  you can see he literally can't say [TS]

  anything until you introduce its John [TS]

  siracusa I'm just trying I just [TS]

  wondering what this show is going to be [TS]

  about but I guess I'll tell me in a [TS]

  couple seconds yeah that's right I'll be [TS]

  good [TS]

  impromptu now this is part of the [TS]

  comparables 200th episode spectacular [TS]

  and i wanted to talk about because we [TS]

  had we can talk about Game of Thrones in [TS]

  this episode because we're recording [TS]

  this before the show host showing [TS]

  episodes this season that was our excuse [TS]

  the last couple years was to talk about [TS]

  that this excited because Monty will get [TS]

  to appear in that episode [TS]

  hey mom when she doesn't otherwise get [TS]

  to know so here's the here's here's the [TS]

  top we we took episode 100 and we [TS]

  promise not to spend a whole episode [TS]

  talking about ourselves for a hundred [TS]

  episodes and times up [TS]

  nailed it skirts so here we are to talk [TS]

  about ourselves this show still on you [TS]

  well with this episode hasn't posted yet [TS]

  Dan to share it is possible that we [TS]

  won't make it that so for this episode [TS]

  III wanted to do a bunch of different [TS]

  things will have a bunch of different [TS]

  second segments but i wanted to start by [TS]

  talking about like I was inspired in [TS]

  episode 102 sort of criticize ourselves [TS]

  and in question why we do this and and I [TS]

  wanted to call it matter critical but I [TS]

  couldn't do that because that was the [TS]

  episode of hypocritical that was episode [TS]

  102 know you can slowly i know i know i [TS]

  should have released like eight special [TS]

  episodes to beat you don't number 100 [TS]

  but I didn't do it because the integrity [TS]

  a podcast must be maintained so this [TS]

  time i wanted to talk about again about [TS]

  us but i wanted to talk a little bit [TS]

  about the fact that we talked about uh [TS]

  nerdy stuff we talked about comics and [TS]

  and and sci-fi and fantasy and things [TS]

  like that and and the reason i wanted to [TS]

  talk about that is because when i was a [TS]

  kid i love these things but i think [TS]

  there was an implication and I [TS]

  definitely got this from my parents that [TS]

  these were things kids like that comic [TS]

  books are for kids and science fiction [TS]

  is for kids and watching Star Trek on TV [TS]

  for kids all of this is the silly stuff [TS]

  that you do as a kid and at some point [TS]

  you grow up and that stuff isn't for you [TS]

  anymore and you become an adult and it's [TS]

  time to put away the childish things and [TS]

  move on and do adult things and so what [TS]

  I wanted to talk about here a little bit [TS]

  is what movie big what the hell happened [TS]

  because I i I'm still and i still like [TS]

  them to this day and I think and we all [TS]

  still like them and and it's so a part [TS]

  of this is our wii suffering from a [TS]

  horrible state of Arrested Development [TS]

  and part of it is was that a load of [TS]

  crap that people said there that there [TS]

  are certain kinds of things that should [TS]

  ever only be appreciated by children and [TS]

  not by adults because if it's true that [TS]

  that I should have given them all up i [TS]

  missed the memo and I feel really bad [TS]

  about it and somebody should let me know [TS]

  when I talk about this recently to you [TS]

  didn't mean to do it again you did you [TS]

  you are you are living a good five weeks [TS]

  ahead of me and everything i do wait [TS]

  tell me which stocks to buy not gonna [TS]

  help you that much [TS]

  my mother is the person that I blame for [TS]

  all of my science fiction forever yes [TS]

  every problem sorry mom just waiting on [TS]

  everything ya know but like she's the [TS]

  person who introduced me to star trek [TS]

  she's the person who introduced me to [TS]

  star wars she's and my my father was [TS]

  always very big on like you should read [TS]

  the books that you want you can totally [TS]

  read comics and sure I'm gonna let you [TS]

  check out 25 science fiction books I [TS]

  during the summer even though that's not [TS]

  necessarily what's on your reading list [TS]

  so i guess from my perspective or at [TS]

  least growing up my parents were very [TS]

  supportive about me playing with [TS]

  whatever and my mother was very much a [TS]

  geek and enjoyed that kind [TS]

  stuff so I never really got the sense [TS]

  that a certain point you kind of have to [TS]

  put away the toys because your parents [TS]

  your parents liked this stuff to show [TS]

  you always sort of model that this is [TS]

  something that's perfectly fine for [TS]

  adults exactly you never feel do not go [TS]

  off to college and feel some pressure to [TS]

  like I shouldn't like these things [TS]

  anymore i should i should drop these [TS]

  habits for things that are going to be [TS]

  more you know marketable and approved by [TS]

  others and considered to be grown-up [TS]

  things so here's the problem when you [TS]

  grow up in a house it's full of [TS]

  musicians and then you go to high school [TS]

  for theater and experimental theater and [TS]

  then you go to college for experimental [TS]

  theater never have to grow up forever [TS]

  when you spend I mean my thesis was on [TS]

  radio plays and mask making and a little [TS]

  bit of American history like when you [TS]

  either way stay tuned for the [TS]

  uncomfortable for mask making episodes [TS]

  coming there will be so excited because [TS]

  we were on our way [TS]

  that's really great to water talking [TS]

  about ratings better for you the best [TS]

  podcast will be check out the next mom [TS]

  dad it's a narrator I give you a double [TS]

  alligator where did you go to uni there [TS]

  was another guy with glasses on sitting [TS]

  in that seat Frank Clark Kent a squad [TS]

  very nice antsy but no I mean I i was [TS]

  really lucky or at least I feel like I [TS]

  was really lucky to grow up surrounded [TS]

  by goofballs and people who are just [TS]

  kind of like you know when I had a bad [TS]

  day at school my dad was like let's go [TS]

  to disneyland right not not let's let's [TS]

  sit down and you lived in Kansas it was [TS]

  a long drive on the opposite of my phone [TS]

  yeah no I mean I mean my dad said let's [TS]

  leave this we're going home we're [TS]

  turning this car around and burn [TS]

  actually tied up yes no I'm my parents [TS]

  were strict and like I had restrictions [TS]

  and things like that but also i mean my [TS]

  parents and my my friends and the [TS]

  schools that i went to later in life [TS]

  both high school and college were all [TS]

  full of goofballs and we're all full of [TS]

  people who are for nerds and who are you [TS]

  know very passionate about what they [TS]

  cared about and that was a combination [TS]

  of you know video games or movies or [TS]

  books or whatever what have you and I I [TS]

  don't know I just never felt [TS]

  I mean maybe I'm younger than everyone [TS]

  you had your pan how did you escape have [TS]

  you do today as a as somebody in their [TS]

  twenties who who moved to another city [TS]

  and and has met other people and got [TS]

  involved with other things have you run [TS]

  into people now in your life who look at [TS]

  you and say why are you why are you [TS]

  interested in these things don't you do [TS]

  serious boring grown-up things instead [TS]

  I'm so i guess there are people like [TS]

  this you need more judgmental yeah maybe [TS]

  90 more people shaking their finger and [TS]

  I could fill the role of you're looking [TS]

  for somebody [TS]

  they're always yeah there are always [TS]

  people who are going to judge you but I [TS]

  I guess pretty I I had a really like [TS]

  crappy middle school experience with a [TS]

  bunch of Judge ep2 yes exactly like God [TS]

  I don't think about middle school your [TS]

  idea and I the opposite there you know [TS]

  you had it you made all your friends a [TS]

  little school do it like this explains [TS]

  so much and yes that because that's when [TS]

  you met Tony sindelar it's my mental [TS]

  applying eyeshadow him to elementary [TS]

  school but like I had a core group of [TS]

  friends who were all really nerdy and [TS]

  all into the same things as us and we in [TS]

  some to a certain extent there was like [TS]

  safety in numbers like we could all hang [TS]

  out and talk about is your only the [TS]

  other people the popular people like [TS]

  don't talk to them with jockstrap is [TS]

  already got the beginner that's right [TS]

  but like I have the opposite experience [TS]

  for you in that my dad to this day has [TS]

  no interest in anything even kind of [TS]

  vaguely nerdy related [TS]

  that's not true your dad's into baseball [TS]

  and he's into like I mean there it's a [TS]

  different kind of nerd but I mean like [TS]

  I'm completely different kind of short [TS]

  but what I'm saying specifically I'm [TS]

  saying in the like fantasy science [TS]

  fiction where all the stuff like that [TS]

  kind of thing video that we talking [TS]

  about like he has no interest in in [TS]

  almost any of that like most i ever got [TS]

  to play date games way that was like [TS]

  scrabble and trivial pursuit and it's [TS]

  you know he really had no internet my [TS]

  mother is a little bit i think she's in [TS]

  some ways more like a closet like geek [TS]

  in that way because she definitely but [TS]

  you can't reveal it to her husband right [TS]

  now but like I should definitely read I [TS]

  I definitely read fantasy books that she [TS]

  gave me and my her sister especially and [TS]

  all my cousins on that side [TS]

  we're also really into a lot of this [TS]

  stuff because i remember always watching [TS]

  star wars like one of my earliest [TS]

  memories watching star wars with that [TS]

  and I remember that my aunt always [TS]

  a flight like these fans fantasy sort of [TS]

  young adult fantasy books for me to read [TS]

  i would like borrow from our library [TS]

  whatever's out there these Edward eager [TS]

  for example or even as bit that kind of [TS]

  stuff to sort of fantastic children's [TS]

  novels of the like fifties and sixties [TS]

  and I kind of grew up reading a bunch of [TS]

  that stuff and and for me growing up [TS]

  more than anything it was about books i [TS]

  read its read constantly like there's a [TS]

  in sixth grade you know when they were [TS]

  like doing a slideshow with our like [TS]

  sixth-grade graduation from elementary [TS]

  school and they had like pictures of [TS]

  people doing like you know things your I [TS]

  was like me sitting at a desk reading a [TS]

  book and I was like read books sometimes [TS]

  during classes that's not supposed to [TS]

  read reading books during but it was [TS]

  like constantly I was always reading [TS]

  something and i was reading tons and [TS]

  tons of science fiction/fantasy at that [TS]

  point and I think my mother kept you [TS]

  know tried to make sure i read other [TS]

  stuff like so I could you know sort of [TS]

  more well-rounded but well that worked [TS]

  out [TS]

  I mean I did but I gravitate i [TS]

  constantly gravitated back to that and [TS]

  so it did provide and I had friends in [TS]

  elementary school and you know again you [TS]

  were all as kids you're all kind of into [TS]

  certain aspects of that but I felt like [TS]

  I didn't necessarily like bond with [TS]

  anybody over it was just expected and so [TS]

  it wasn't until I got to middle school [TS]

  that I've met a lot of other people who [TS]

  were really into the same thing and we [TS]

  were you know playing playing D&D and we [TS]

  were playing you know magic later on and [TS]

  we were going biking to the comic book [TS]

  store and talking about you know sci-fi [TS]

  movies and all this stuff we made it we [TS]

  made role-playing games and we founded [TS]

  clubs like we basically took over a [TS]

  games club and turn it into like a club [TS]

  where we could play all sorts of like [TS]

  rpgs and I you sure you're your child [TS]

  what I wasn't like a John Waters movie [TS]

  or something because i think it was like [TS]

  a simulation in the computer and [TS]

  actually it was it doesn't sound real [TS]

  some terrible Eugene but it is mine for [TS]

  me I was a matrix-matrix always unusual [TS]

  and I understand that but like it was [TS]

  for me it was a big part of embracing [TS]

  that and never feeling never having to [TS]

  feel ashamed of that you didn't learn [TS]

  shame correctly and molecular change [TS]

  trust me when i say looking for other [TS]

  things but not not for that [TS]

  Lauren and when I well I lived in a [TS]

  place where being smart was not look [TS]

  down upon that and I think natural [TS]

  really like bowling I grew up in a in a [TS]

  in a school system in which that was [TS]

  really really valued and academic [TS]

  achievement was sort of a big thing in [TS]

  the way that athletics for example by [TS]

  comparison was not as big in a city [TS]

  named for one of the most famous [TS]

  scientist that's you basically lives in [TS]

  Utopia and and the the world's first PDF [TS]

  but I was gonna ask me I was gonna ask [TS]

  if it's a generational thing in some [TS]

  ways in that like what [TS]

  speaking of my father I know that as a [TS]

  as a kid he read things like comic books [TS]

  and stuff like that because it was again [TS]

  expected or it was what you gave kids or [TS]

  you know is what they were supposed to [TS]

  an interesting but he clearly didn't [TS]

  outgrow that because he really doesn't [TS]

  have interest but i always wonder if [TS]

  there's like a generational thing where [TS]

  that was not in his the the area he was [TS]

  growing up in that was not allowed or or [TS]

  like you know there was no application [TS]

  for that in a way that today it feels as [TS]

  though it's a lot easier to grow up in a [TS]

  society where that's acceptable and i [TS]

  can give you I can give you one reason [TS]

  actually the more I think about like my [TS]

  childhood and where that whence the [TS]

  internet are ya that I mean the fact [TS]

  that you know like I had a really [TS]

  terrible childhood went to the internet [TS]

  folks [TS]

  yes my child by adolescent well hope you [TS]

  will find a one-day BBS is right like [TS]

  the very first thing that I remember [TS]

  doing when I got on a computer to talk [TS]

  to other people [TS]

  was that my dad had worked his celtic [TS]

  connections to get me a pen pal for go [TS]

  straighter like we were talking about [TS]

  the silly PBS show with some kid in [TS]

  arizona and i don't like I don't know [TS]

  this kid and I haven't talked to him in [TS]

  like 20 odd years but it was still the [TS]

  fact that like oh wait you mean people [TS]

  other than me like this show somewhere [TS]

  else and then I was given pretty much [TS]

  probably horrifying to most of the [TS]

  parents in the room uh unrestricted [TS]

  internet access from you know h7 onward [TS]

  like I i was in chat rooms and I was my [TS]

  dad was just he gave me a very quick [TS]

  talk on the beginning and like we [TS]

  started using the computer basically [TS]

  like don't do stupid things and don't [TS]

  reveal your real age [TS]

  and I thought of that is ok i'll just [TS]

  play a twenty-four-year-old so anywhere [TS]

  I when I was just like I was cat I was a [TS]

  24 year old student of veterinary [TS]

  science or something like as a [TS]

  thirteen-year-old I had like a fake [TS]

  personality also her go box just fake [TS]

  passports bills money you know you never [TS]

  know when you when you have to flee the [TS]

  country but no like I was you know [TS]

  chatting with that and then i got [TS]

  involved in like a matrix fan board for [TS]

  a while right after that came out and [TS]

  just went from there so we even though i [TS]

  was having like a horrible experience in [TS]

  elementary and middle school I had the [TS]

  internet and the internet told me you're [TS]

  not alone you have friends you have [TS]

  people who understand you and who get [TS]

  this kind of stuff do you think you 24 [TS]

  aside from ren fulfill your obligation [TS]

  to make Jason and I feel old [TS]

  also she was that age now just still [TS]

  gets carded at the irish yeah this is a [TS]

  this I think is a reveals a divided [TS]

  because in the the typical terrible [TS]

  middle school experience that I had [TS]

  there was no internet to go to find [TS]

  other people like you and your master [TS]

  now people know that like you're not the [TS]

  only one of you may be different and you [TS]

  may be weird but and there may not be a [TS]

  lot of their someone like you will find [TS]

  each other on the internet and there's a [TS]

  place for you to go in there must be [TS]

  that must be very comforting to rely [TS]

  because the loneliness you feel as [TS]

  someone who is an outsider and we're [TS]

  different in some way when there's no [TS]

  place for you to go and like that's what [TS]

  you read the books are like well at [TS]

  least his character in this book called [TS]

  ya fictional like and that's only and [TS]

  Josh and me but that's all you've got is [TS]

  like if you could connect with a real [TS]

  person and what I think that does is it [TS]

  makes people not like if you if you [TS]

  associate your mr. your temperature [TS]

  probe stereotypical misery middle school [TS]

  with your interest in this strange [TS]

  french subject then you want to feel [TS]

  like I never want to be like that again [TS]

  I want to escape that I don't want to be [TS]

  that person I want to be the different [TS]

  person and so you grow up and you leave [TS]

  that behind because it's part of the [TS]

  transformation into an adult and like [TS]

  now you gotta get my clothes I saw [TS]

  someone tweeted something or whatever [TS]

  raised from the onion is a area man or [TS]

  whatever saying he's 49 year old says [TS]

  he's only 23 years away from achieving [TS]

  the level self-confidence he had before [TS]

  entering middle yeah it was still like [TS]

  middle school knocks you down and then [TS]

  when you're 50 maybe you feel like you [TS]

  maybe get reaching parody again right [TS]

  and so you want to put that stuff aside [TS]

  and say oh that's not me i'm a good [TS]

  functional adult and if you start to [TS]

  link it looks like a version therapy [TS]

  no it's like you start to link that with [TS]

  that but if you're in middle school and [TS]

  you're like okay well I'm weird or [TS]

  whatever but I hooked up with these [TS]

  people and we validate each other and we [TS]

  said we say we may be a minority but [TS]

  we're not bad then you're not going [TS]

  you're gonna carry that with you you're [TS]

  not going to put it aside as part of [TS]

  your growing-up process be like alright [TS]

  so what you're not into it but I know a [TS]

  bunch of the people are and it's part of [TS]

  who I am and I'm not gonna set it aside [TS]

  well that and that's what happened to me [TS]

  and I mean I think I also i was thinking [TS]

  back and was decided you know the other [TS]

  thing I think that made a big difference [TS]

  was that i did have adults that I could [TS]

  look up to [TS]

  who were interested in that kind of [TS]

  thing specifically I think about my my [TS]

  eldest cousin who I used to me is kind [TS]

  of like an older sister she got married [TS]

  when I was probably an eighth to a guy [TS]

  who's a huge nurse and my cousin is is [TS]

  herself like she's a librarian [TS]

  she's really into like fantasy mya books [TS]

  and stuff like that and she was always [TS]

  super supportive but her husband is a [TS]

  high school physics teacher and he's a [TS]

  gigantic nerd it was from him that I [TS]

  learned about dnd he introduced me to [TS]

  magic and I just introduced to all of my [TS]

  friends to it and he would always like I [TS]

  would go up and visit and he would like [TS]

  take me to the role-playing store [TS]

  because like a long time I like [TS]

  collected like little red managers [TS]

  apartment [TS]

  yeah exactly i a ton of those and so but [TS]

  like he was an adult and I mean at that [TS]

  point he was probably you know he must [TS]

  have been in his 20 like early twenties [TS]

  or something but there's an [TS]

  eight-year-old or whatever he was an [TS]

  adult right and and he would take me [TS]

  like he would validate this right like [TS]

  he was in a successful adult he was a [TS]

  teacher and you know he was into the [TS]

  stuff and he is a person who doesn't [TS]

  feel any he's a very outspoken guy and [TS]

  he is a very like I who is in no way [TS]

  feels embarrassed about any of the [TS]

  hobbies he does and that to me was a [TS]

  very positive role model to have to look [TS]

  up to be like you can be a functional [TS]

  successful adult and still be interested [TS]

  in these things that I don't have to [TS]

  deny myself from liking these now I [TS]

  didn't have the internet and I didn't [TS]

  have those examples but i feel like i'm [TS]

  trying to think of what made me hold on [TS]

  to things and in capacity drop part of [TS]

  that is like maybe you can hold two [TS]

  nasty like screw everybody else I'm [TS]

  gonna be bitter and hate the world and [TS]

  become kind of like you can you can be a [TS]

  self-hating nerd and you put me the [TS]

  stuff behind and pretend it was never [TS]

  you you can be the screw the whole world [TS]

  i may be alone but I'm right [TS]

  whatever but your chest yeah but but [TS]

  that's not I mean you don't end up a [TS]

  good place there with that I think the [TS]

  things that I held onto were because [TS]

  like computers is a good example like [TS]

  why you know being nerdy being into [TS]

  computers why is somebody hold onto its [TS]

  because you could see like there was [TS]

  enough in adult connection you can see [TS]

  like computers in the future man like [TS]

  you guys don't know but like something [TS]

  we're gonna rule the world and whatever [TS]

  because computers so important there was [TS]

  a little bit of a connection that was [TS]

  like well adults are into computers too [TS]

  but it's not the thing to be into in [TS]

  your middle school to be into computers [TS]

  at all and so like you have a way in our [TS]

  era was very much so like oh yeah you [TS]

  guys computers is gonna be your entire [TS]

  life you gotta you know we're where we [TS]

  don't really understand it but you guys [TS]

  totally get it you're good i mean i got [TS]

  my chakras that you should do computers [TS]

  because in it in the future everyone [TS]

  will eat computer but it was a death [TS]

  sentence and socially to go okay I'll do [TS]

  computers and Becca really into the [TS]

  money its computer magazine our stop [TS]

  hitting me and I don't like being in the [TS]

  easy or something yeah i'm fascinated by [TS]

  this because i do think it it's luck of [TS]

  the draw of at least back then maybe not [TS]

  now with the internet of who was around [TS]

  so dad Dan had his support system with [TS]

  those friends who were into those things [TS]

  for me my best friend in elementary [TS]

  school and I went to work a three-way [TS]

  tie didn't haven't I didn't have a [TS]

  junior high I just had the latter don't [TS]

  it just was a slope that decreased into [TS]

  hell has gotten but i might my best [TS]

  friend in elementary school [TS]

  his dad was a sixth-grade teacher and at [TS]

  our elementary school and his dad was [TS]

  really in computers he was the first one [TS]

  who had a personal computer is the first [TS]

  one who an apple too and so that family [TS]

  was into computers and that made me into [TS]

  computers and like we had a computer [TS]

  club that was in that would that his dad [TS]

  was the advisor and you stay after [TS]

  school in mr. Collins room and you know [TS]

  and i gotta say to chuck Holland my best [TS]

  friend's dad from from elementary school [TS]

  that's why I'm in this business is [TS]

  because he encouraged us because of that [TS]

  sort of computers of the future are they [TS]

  really cool and so I never felt in [TS]

  elementary school like the computer [TS]

  stuff like we would go out in the hall [TS]

  during recess and play ultima on an [TS]

  apple too and that was like supported by [TS]

  by mr. Holland right so I never felt [TS]

  that until we have to [TS]

  high school that there was the computer [TS]

  isolation but I didn't have a lot of [TS]

  other stuff i mean there was Star Wars [TS]

  came out and everybody loved Star Wars [TS]

  that was unifying but it was also not [TS]

  special but I never felt the same kind [TS]

  of unifying about but there are couple [TS]

  kids who like comics and there are a [TS]

  couple kids are like science fiction but [TS]

  those were the things that seemed seem [TS]

  different to me but not the computers [TS]

  because i had a critical mass of [TS]

  computer people in in the you know up [TS]

  through eighth grade and then but in [TS]

  high school there were the guys who hung [TS]

  out of the computer lab and I was never [TS]

  one of those guys now and some of that [TS]

  was you know it just didn't happen and [TS]

  some of it was like I don't want to be [TS]

  one of those guys time for a brief break [TS]

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  I think having that authority figure I [TS]

  think helps in some ways even if they're [TS]

  not directly involved in it and I have [TS]

  to think back to in middle school my [TS]

  homeroom teacher was a guy named icky [TS]

  hace and he was the bike he was to me [TS]

  and my friends I always kind of refer to [TS]

  him as our patron saint because whatever [TS]

  club we wanted to come up with he would [TS]

  support it like you want to like a [TS]

  computer games club and you're like [TS]

  that's fine you want to a games club you [TS]

  want to like a dnd club newspaper like [TS]

  all the stuff he was the most patient [TS]

  wonderful guy and I was very sad with my [TS]

  friends and i were trying to get [TS]

  together with him a couple years ago and [TS]

  he ended up passing away suddenly which [TS]

  was a real bummer but like we he [TS]

  nurtured us and was like even if it was [TS]

  not think he was into he was willing to [TS]

  carve out the time to be like I will sit [TS]

  in the room you know as your student [TS]

  advisor or your faculty advisor and you [TS]

  guys can do this stuff and like if I if [TS]

  you need anything for me let me know and [TS]

  and he really kind of you know took us [TS]

  under his wing and and it was it was [TS]

  huge that was a huge plate it was having [TS]

  like a protected space with enough an [TS]

  adult authority figure who even if they [TS]

  were not like particularly versed in [TS]

  that they were willing to say there's [TS]

  nothing wrong with what you're doing you [TS]

  guys are having fun you're learning [TS]

  stuff you're socializing that is what [TS]

  you are here for and that I think made a [TS]

  huge difference from my friends and I to [TS]

  give us some place to hang out and we [TS]

  there's a point where we were like four [TS]

  out of five days after school we were we [TS]

  had like some sort of Club going doing [TS]

  something nerdy and that you know again [TS]

  that was kind of a day for us and it's [TS]

  sort of like having the experience and i [TS]

  know most people didn't have the [TS]

  experience that I feel very fortunate [TS]

  that I did I think the medium has [TS]

  something to do with it because we [TS]

  mentioned two things so far that like [TS]

  all right people are our parents and our [TS]

  parents parents read books and went to [TS]

  the movies and there's different kinds [TS]

  of books on a different kind of movies [TS]

  but the medium offer some protection so [TS]

  if you become an adult then you read [TS]

  trashy romance novels and you get some [TS]

  protection from being like I'm an avid [TS]

  reader i read that i read right yeah [TS]

  what do you read your treasured moments [TS]

  like that didn't Ghostbusters right [TS]

  right right and and for and same thing [TS]

  for movies there's so many different [TS]

  kinds of movies what kind of movies do [TS]

  you see you just watch westerns just one [TS]

  some comedies or whatever like this some [TS]

  protection in like you can the John Ruth [TS]

  the the medium offers protection and [TS]

  computers was like that's not a medium [TS]

  that existed but you're talking about [TS]

  computers and so it it's like there's a [TS]

  disconnect between you know my parents [TS]

  read books and I read books and like and [TS]

  then like what genre you know there's no [TS]

  protection for computers like computers [TS]

  but apparently you don't computers and [TS]

  wouldn't even do with a computer right i [TS]

  mean as a generational divide but now [TS]

  the adults that you look up to as I like [TS]

  well adults as a category I don't do [TS]

  that don't use your fingers because they [TS]

  didn't exist when they're around and [TS]

  then I do them and it's like and and [TS]

  that's not like a kid thing I'm going [TS]

  towards what we were talking about IDP a [TS]

  lot is like video games right [TS]

  I was not only is that a generational [TS]

  divide in its medium that didn't exist [TS]

  but it's got the word game in it and [TS]

  kids play games and now that's an [TS]

  eternity like card games offer [TS]

  generational protection it's like [TS]

  everyone played card games back you know [TS]

  everybody's bridge video games computers [TS]

  combined with games and that's the [TS]

  ultimate like you should be growing out [TS]

  of that and yet now that is the that is [TS]

  the thing right like everybody [TS]

  yeah I know everybody plays computer [TS]

  games like even even like the jocks [TS]

  because we passed the generational yeah [TS]

  exactly what fashion we cleared it [TS]

  because the helicopter parents still [TS]

  don't have a parent and I playable [TS]

  number i'm alright not all right hereand [TS]

  was not exactly like me were your [TS]

  parents we are Jason and I are the [TS]

  leading edge of that and now people are [TS]

  having kids now of course the game we [TS]

  welcome you back to the jungle with a [TS]

  machete and all the right minecraft hot [TS]

  running but that's why our parents were [TS]

  always always going to be shocked the [TS]

  weekend the new play video games but it [TS]

  you know like we have kids and we're not [TS]

  going to be shocked that our kids can [TS]

  you play because we do it like a grown [TS]

  adult activity and although i could give [TS]

  you a counter argument which is my [TS]

  mother always said oh you still reading [TS]

  those funny books right because that was [TS]

  because it's the honest problem which is [TS]

  it was it a comic books were considered [TS]

  trash that was just junk for kids [TS]

  yeah and here's it is something i wanted [TS]

  to mention to that with that maybe we'll [TS]

  get to in a little bit is some of this [TS]

  is a is about society changing the [TS]

  internet changing some of this is about [TS]

  people who grew up as kids loving the [TS]

  trash that was for kids as adults saying [TS]

  what if I made that and it wasn't trash [TS]

  have my little pony and so that's and [TS]

  that's where you get like comics today [TS]

  are not like comics were when my mom [TS]

  knew what comic books were there their [TS]

  literature now in a way that they [TS]

  weren't and so in a way if that's what [TS]

  you think of comics is that their junk [TS]

  then why would your kids their junk for [TS]

  kids why would anybody think is really [TS]

  just for kids think it's confusing to [TS]

  the older generation and the reason it [TS]

  keeps coming up is because the same [TS]

  properties like the my little pony thing [TS]

  is a woman who grew up watching my [TS]

  little pony and my little pony was [TS]

  garbage he's really one so she made a [TS]

  new show also called my little pony and [TS]

  from the outside perspective it's like [TS]

  you to look at my little points like no [TS]

  this my little ponies I'm saying this [TS]

  spider-man is not saying is that [TS]

  Spiderman was in but it's still [TS]

  spider-man like it so it doesn't look [TS]

  the same thing outside because they use [TS]

  the same properties and IP but it is a [TS]

  generation that grew up with them and is [TS]

  making essentially more sophisticated or [TS]

  even adults versions of them in some [TS]

  cases the thing i always thought was [TS]

  interesting from a cultural touchstone [TS]

  point of view looking back you know and [TS]

  talking about the nerdery we talked [TS]

  about genre zinda and mediums movies to [TS]

  me was always really interesting because [TS]

  if you look at what we're traditionally [TS]

  like the high grossing blockbuster [TS]

  movies they were often sci-fi or fantasy [TS]

  movies if you look today especially now [TS]

  everything that gets there was a hundred [TS]

  million dollars every right I got that [TS]

  in sort of that same hours ever since [TS]

  Star Wars the highest grossing movies [TS]

  ever released are all what we would [TS]

  consider sci-fi/fantasy Star Wars was [TS]

  such a cultural touchstone that it [TS]

  didn't matter it wasn't like that's a [TS]

  movie for nerds [TS]

  it was a movie that a lot of people [TS]

  really like i said it was growing up [TS]

  with Star Wars it was in the it was [TS]

  everything I was was in the air i was [TS]

  six when Star Wars came out everybody [TS]

  let's start wars star wars wasn't [TS]

  something you were allowed to have an [TS]

  opinion about like Mickey Mouse everyone [TS]

  looks like they're just not as much [TS]

  storage like chocolate ice cream [TS]

  yeah it's all good i think about what [TS]

  kids growing up right now with Marvel [TS]

  and everything else I mean it's it's [TS]

  cool i saw an accessible my son and [TS]

  daughter obsessed with the with Marvel [TS]

  stuff in my son especially but it's it's [TS]

  and that's and that's the cultural [TS]

  change right is is you've got the [TS]

  internet saying you're not alone you've [TS]

  got this stuff having been remixed for a [TS]

  new generation popular yeah just [TS]

  validating will be with exactly and [TS]

  you've got a generation of parents who [TS]

  are familiar with this stuff and have a [TS]

  lot [TS]

  for that maybe wasn't there may be some [TS]

  of that is also that the entertainment [TS]

  companies are wise now and they know [TS]

  there's the cycle and why is there going [TS]

  to be a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles [TS]

  movie why are there Transformers movies [TS]

  they're aware that the parents of the [TS]

  kids are aware of those brands but i [TS]

  think it's anything like my little pony [TS]

  thing that was like the people who are [TS]

  doing these things now are people who [TS]

  grew up with in jail even a brother [TS]

  right exactly because like it and right [TS]

  now it may have a one-time been just for [TS]

  kids or low-quality or whatever but [TS]

  that's not our memory of it and all [TS]

  those people who have memories are now [TS]

  the creators and they are like that is [TS]

  dying art is that is a canvas that paint [TS]

  that they're painting with is you know [TS]

  that the thing that I loved but but way [TS]

  better like make it like I remember it [TS]

  being but it really never was [TS]

  that's what that's what Joss Whedon is [TS]

  doing with the Marvel movies it's the [TS]

  same thing right it's it's it's I and [TS]

  that that's a way that's really [TS]

  interesting because that's the upgrading [TS]

  that's the taking something that [TS]

  probably was junk [TS]

  I mean oh my god this is I i always call [TS]

  this the scooby-doo theorem which is [TS]

  just don't watch things you watch when [TS]

  you were a kid because you'll find fish [TS]

  all terrible really they're right but [TS]

  you mind that and turn it into that [TS]

  turned into something better and then [TS]

  you know you can't say well don't don't [TS]

  do well scooby-doo's a bad example [TS]

  because it's just gonna be terrible [TS]

  regardless but like all that star wars i [TS]

  was that silly moving for kids and [TS]

  saying well now it's its people have [TS]

  been doing this for years and years [TS]

  though because you look at a strip like [TS]

  peanuts which was very very popular and [TS]

  ran for years and I know so many [TS]

  cartoonists who use that kind of is [TS]

  their defining moment to be like Oh [TS]

  comics don't just have to be laughs and [TS]

  a down-and-out comics can have serious [TS]

  things hidden underneath the the shield [TS]

  of small children saying them and from [TS]

  there you know you've you get all kinds [TS]

  of expansions both and newspapers [TS]

  outside of newspapers the web comics [TS]

  industry was largely founded by people [TS]

  who you know loved peanuts and other [TS]

  really fun for better web comics is [TS]

  another weird thing that got me a medium [TS]

  wise because it was like alright i read [TS]

  that i read the funny papers every day [TS]

  in the newspaper mind what [TS]

  grand Rite is a funny book so that if [TS]

  you and you have to explain to your [TS]

  parents when this from this generational [TS]

  shift happened of like I read comics by [TS]

  reading my computer they're called [TS]

  webcomics like what time on that later [TS]

  no one would question you reading the [TS]

  comics as part of the papers repay for [TS]

  something else did but if you but now [TS]

  you remember you also have to go and [TS]

  find out why your original that's a part [TS]

  of now you're reading them on the [TS]

  computer and like how is webcomics even [TS]

  the thing and even from within the [TS]

  industry there's resistance like this [TS]

  new medium anytime is a new medium it [TS]

  seems like pants it's weird or different [TS]

  or that like it's not also podcasting [TS]

  what the hell is that it's young it's [TS]

  the is it Douglas Adams who has the [TS]

  thing about any technology that existed [TS]

  when you were a kid is perfectly natural [TS]

  anything that's invented between your [TS]

  ages of white 20 and 40 is like really [TS]

  cool exciting than anything past that is [TS]

  Larry yeah yeah absolutely the same sort [TS]

  of thing with cultural stuff too i think [TS]

  there's you know yeah there's certainly [TS]

  a certain amount of a generational stuff [TS]

  i was wondering if some of the things [TS]

  with parents who like encourage their [TS]

  kids to give up that was sort of a [TS]

  reflection of them being forced to do so [TS]

  and feeling like well i was told that my [TS]

  age when I was a kid there like I had to [TS]

  grow up and give up these things and now [TS]

  since and when now that i am a parent [TS]

  I'm passing that along with that was [TS]

  that was indicated to me as like this [TS]

  transmission fires of adulthood true [TS]

  which i think is no I'm and for a lot of [TS]

  us it's the post-war cultural signifiers [TS]

  of adulthood that have kind of the [TS]

  permeate the culture when we were [TS]

  growing up and it's the you-know-what [TS]

  who we on the game show episode that we [TS]

  did [TS]

  there's the you know that with the [TS]

  family feud question and it was like [TS]

  what water men's hobbies and skull and [TS]

  right and how you know whatever will be [TS]

  playing golf on towards sports assets [TS]

  that whenever i try to go buy a birthday [TS]

  card for my dad yeah for things that you [TS]

  got it was like you know what it would [TS]

  have men do men drink and go play golf [TS]

  and has tight and watch TV and their [TS]

  cars and his cars and girls yeah that's [TS]

  it i dinna parents that were trying to [TS]

  stop the kids from doing that and I mean [TS]

  I think the perspective they're coming [TS]

  from is like they're afraid that their [TS]

  child is not going to fit in if they [TS]

  continue yeah [TS]

  thing and they said they were trying to [TS]

  get you to like to conform you'll be [TS]

  happier in life if you were like [TS]

  everybody else and what they thought [TS]

  everyone was supposed to be like this [TS]

  don't play video games because none of [TS]

  the adults in my parish and play video [TS]

  games so be better if you just stop with [TS]

  the video games because i don't want [TS]

  that they fear for their just like the [TS]

  administration perspective background to [TS]

  the internet it's like kind of puts the [TS]

  lie to that right yeah there are plenty [TS]

  of normal people [TS]

  well it's the also i mean i hate to put [TS]

  it I Pete abnormal gambler normal [TS]

  yes it's lovely isn't it that's it i [TS]

  hate to put it towards a a generational [TS]

  like typical blah blah blah [TS]

  these are my parents generation was very [TS]

  much like oh you're not married by 24 [TS]

  what's wrong with you and oh you're [TS]

  doing this stuff will completely and [TS]

  then you look at like fruit and you're [TS]

  in my generation it's like I most of my [TS]

  friends did not even start dating the [TS]

  person that they eventually got married [TS]

  two before they were in their [TS]

  mid-twenties and God forbid like I know [TS]

  maybe two people who got married before [TS]

  24 ended better had to be the woman what [TS]

  else is what we're gonna do if not get [TS]

  married you and I think I know it's like [TS]

  even even in the sixties and seventies [TS]

  where I was like clearly women had a [TS]

  path beyond just making stuff and yeah [TS]

  but it was frowned upon [TS]

  it was but as it became more and more [TS]

  acceptable still it was you know my [TS]

  mother got married at 23 and I look at [TS]

  that now and I'm like oh my god thats [TS]

  see I mean by comparison I've my parents [TS]

  were married fairly late and we're 23i [TS]

  120 it is something like that i was [TS]

  doing alright thank you [TS]

  yeah when that was going on but we're [TS]

  gonna jump ahead Jason but like Lauren I [TS]

  mean is I is a key person right like [TS]

  Warren likes that kind of stuff oh yeah [TS]

  I I think see I think night everybody [TS]

  when everything's relative i think she [TS]

  was not married i think she was not yet [TS]

  well after being married to me for 20 [TS]

  years permeated our relationship that I [TS]

  think I think she was not exposed to it [TS]

  and no antibody because it was not [TS]

  because it was not like it was not smell [TS]

  cookies [TS]

  her parents were into into any of that [TS]

  stuff and I and her friends weren't and [TS]

  so although it was sort of floating out [TS]

  there but it's only you know it was only [TS]

  through exposure to me although so I [TS]

  want things I want to talk about is is [TS]

  later on because in high school I felt [TS]

  much more of this of like I maybe I [TS]

  shouldn't like these things and this [TS]

  idea that [TS]

  that uh you know you don't know that [TS]

  you're not you know you're not the only [TS]

  one who's interested in these things I [TS]

  remember it when i was in high school I [TS]

  had a balsa-wood TARDIS that I made and [TS]

  handed myself and I put the decals on I [TS]

  had one of those plastic starship [TS]

  enterprises that I made it means that we [TS]

  have like spicy cows on I think you're [TS]

  right its targets what you're saying hey [TS]

  so LOL and what I'm saying is when i [TS]

  went off to college i donated all my [TS]

  doctor who books in my star trek books I [TS]

  throughout the TARDIS balsa wood model [TS]

  which everybody that was your lapper [TS]

  that was your last ditch attempt to get [TS]

  women you're like look I just gotta make [TS]

  it happen i got to get rid of the stuff [TS]

  they were holding me back there were [TS]

  more ditch attempt after that buddy but [TS]

  you're this is the point is is I felt [TS]

  like I felt like I was for whatever [TS]

  reason at this point where i wanted to [TS]

  divest myself of these things there [TS]

  these are for kids and I need to go off [TS]

  and of course I found out very quickly [TS]

  that was completely wrong [TS]

  I but it was like that moment of like do [TS]

  I put down the childish things now and [TS]

  and and am I not allowed to like them [TS]

  anymore because nobody's gonna let me [TS]

  I'm gonna be this sad weird person who [TS]

  likes these ridiculous things that are [TS]

  for kids get arrested development I've [TS]

  got the counter example for that which [TS]

  is in the first two weeks of cutting [TS]

  first week of college the my first [TS]

  girlfriend who I met I met because she [TS]

  was reading game of thrones like yeah [TS]

  yes I'm gonna shot i had not read at [TS]

  that point my friends started talking to [TS]

  her and I but I like fantasy and so we [TS]

  sort of got into a conversation with [TS]

  games i enjoy Thrones and games but like [TS]

  other well but especially because in [TS]

  college there is so much opportunity [TS]

  right like there is that is the point at [TS]

  which you do because for a lot of people [TS]

  who go away to college the it doesn't it [TS]

  stratifies differently right it's also a [TS]

  chance to read find who you are without [TS]

  anybody knowing your history [TS]

  absolutely but there's there are so many [TS]

  opportunities I felt like in college [TS]

  where there were associations and [TS]

  organizations of all types that were [TS]

  interested in all sorts of different [TS]

  things you know there could be it and [TS]

  they showed like it for example at our [TS]

  place better school with a movie theater [TS]

  and then we show like called classics [TS]

  nerdy movies and stuff that people would [TS]

  go to [TS]

  and you know there are lots of [TS]

  opportunities to do these things I never [TS]

  felt the pressure to leave the stuff [TS]

  behind and again the game by computers [TS]

  it's because i felt like i was on a [TS]

  mission I felt like we're going to use [TS]

  these computers to change the world and [TS]

  i'm gonna make that happen and I don't [TS]

  have time you don't distract me John is [TS]

  building skynet around and we're on a [TS]

  mission I don't have time to be [TS]

  distracted with this stuff or whatever [TS]

  and it was like is that gonna is that [TS]

  gonna be donated to transition to [TS]

  adulthood it's like now I have important [TS]

  work to do like and remember it's [TS]

  delusional yeah like what am I can see [TS]

  like that's the end all the commotion [TS]

  reviews of of Star Trek next generation [TS]

  episodes on record Star Trek was not [TS]

  part of my mission I just yeah that's [TS]

  what I'm saying if it's like you know [TS]

  because I playing D&D I did all those [TS]

  things and I didn't feel like it was [TS]

  leaving behind it what I felt like I was [TS]

  picking up the mantle of like this this [TS]

  is going to remember my life's work in [TS]

  my generation is going to you know make [TS]

  like AI happen and we're gonna have [TS]

  computers like whatever and you know it [TS]

  before you realize that's not gonna [TS]

  happen everything the internet came and [TS]

  it seemed like it was all coming [TS]

  together but like it alot certain things [TS]

  will allow you to keep these strange [TS]

  hobbies even without external validation [TS]

  because you felt like you felt like you [TS]

  were making something happen whereas if [TS]

  you're playing D&D i'm not sure what you [TS]

  think you're making happen and then it [TS]

  just becomes like a weight and it's like [TS]

  other people aren't doing it won't talk [TS]

  to me maybe I take it like a personal [TS]

  like not necessarily a mission to change [TS]

  the world but like a goal for you know [TS]

  my own personal life you know it so I'm [TS]

  thinking like I started very early on [TS]

  writing like fantasy and science fiction [TS]

  because I loved reading fantasy and [TS]

  science fiction and I was like I want to [TS]

  tell some stories i love react and a big [TS]

  part of that for me was being like 14 [TS]

  and writing in I tried to the first [TS]

  thing I ever liked submitted for [TS]

  publication was there is a company [TS]

  called West End games that made the [TS]

  original Star Wars whole plan game and I [TS]

  read they had like these adventures that [TS]

  would come out with like short stories [TS]

  and like you know me adventures that you [TS]

  can play and I was like I'm gonna write [TS]

  something for these guys and I wrote a [TS]

  thing and submitted it and they'll be [TS]

  back and they're like basically they [TS]

  could tell me they could publish because [TS]

  i wasn't like 16 or something and so my [TS]

  friend Jason Ozzy and I were like well [TS]

  that's not fair you know we're just as [TS]

  good as anybody else we started like [TS]

  making our own at that point where you [TS]

  called an easy [TS]

  mm-hmm that we could just like we're [TS]

  gonna find people who are like us and [TS]

  want to write stuff but like can't get [TS]

  published and so we started a thing that [TS]

  we do [TS]

  tribute output BBS's for a while and [TS]

  then later on like you know moved onto [TS]

  the internet but like that was like that [TS]

  because that was what i want to do with [TS]

  my life you know it's like I want to [TS]

  write stories and I'm so I'm like you [TS]

  were on a mission to exactly it was a [TS]

  different mission but it was I did it [TS]

  encompass something that most people [TS]

  consider just a frail and is able to be [TS]

  left behind [TS]

  absolutely like they're going to write [TS]

  these novels like i enjoy them but it [TS]

  seems like another thing to do is an [TS]

  adults-only them behind me as you feel [TS]

  like I'm going to be because these were [TS]

  written by adults these books that you [TS]

  are really actually like you know and if [TS]

  you're aspiring to be one of the people [TS]

  who writes them you're gonna keep [TS]

  reading them nicely yeah absolutely but [TS]

  also to the point like having the [TS]

  technology and the internet there to [TS]

  enable that like that we could go out [TS]

  and find other people who are like I [TS]

  want to write this stuff like that was a [TS]

  and that was sort of in its nascent [TS]

  period you know is just getting started [TS]

  the web was just getting started when i [TS]

  was doing this and you know that made a [TS]

  big deal as well in terms of the as we [TS]

  mentioned like being able to find [TS]

  like-minded people and know that they [TS]

  were out there was it was a huge thing [TS]

  but to this day there is a sense from a [TS]

  lot of people i think not in our [TS]

  community but outside of that those [TS]

  people you find on the internet aren't [TS]

  real people and that those relationships [TS]

  you have on the internet are real really [TS]

  yeah that's what happens if you're in [TS]

  the minority is like it within your town [TS]

  you're not going to find the people and [TS]

  the only way for you to find mr. mortu [TS]

  sparks is not enough of us and so it's [TS]

  like why do you have internet friends [TS]

  because i'm making me something you [TS]

  don't because because I'm different [TS]

  another from the norm that I can't find [TS]

  my odds of finding someone like me close [TS]

  by or so much lower than yours and it's [TS]

  not so much that I'm choosing to do use [TS]

  computer interaction instead of regular [TS]

  interaction is just like it's harder for [TS]

  me to find someone I get along with and [TS]

  I'm forced to because they are far for [TS]

  me use his computer is not as if I'm i [TS]

  have the option of having lots of lost [TS]

  local friends who are the same as this [TS]

  and I choose instead to talk to the [TS]

  computer system anti-socials like no [TS]

  it's the only too far away are aware its [TS]

  these are my people and they just happen [TS]

  to live in different places like my [TS]

  parents are very accepting but they were [TS]

  still very worried about me and like in [TS]

  middle school and early high school or [TS]

  slightly should have been around 24 your [TS]

  mind [TS]

  it is well but no like some more [TS]

  experience to you [TS]

  yeah my um my first boyfriend was [TS]

  somebody who I like dated online were [TS]

  like met in person then dated [TS]

  long-distance for a little bit because [TS]

  it wasn't even so much about like the [TS]

  physical connection or the kissing or [TS]

  any of that it was oh this is somebody [TS]

  who understands me and like we like the [TS]

  same things and this is what matters [TS]

  there was like not having those people [TS]

  who live near you [TS]

  exactly it's like that if if I wanted to [TS]

  date like Los Angelenos jerks and jocks [TS]

  then sure but I didn't like all they [TS]

  they want to call my mother [TS]

  they wanted one thing and I was like [TS]

  that's I'd I wanted to talk about like [TS]

  jet engines and computers & and talking [TS]

  like you're with your [TS]

  twenty-four-year-old online sharing [TS]

  don't say that anymore my parents would [TS]

  say the same thing about the running one [TS]

  thing whenever he's go we should bring [TS]

  it back ok great daughters I'm gonna I'm [TS]

  gonna bring not tell me one of those [TS]

  points only want one thing and yeah man [TS]

  ever tell you want to talk about Star [TS]

  Wars means you play minecraft [TS]

  yeah do I don't it was so hard to [TS]

  explain to my parents about about the [TS]

  friends that I had online and then [TS]

  finally I think when I when I finally [TS]

  like started having friends who were in [TS]

  the same place in like college and then [TS]

  brought them to like to hear my friends [TS]

  from college and for the people who like [TS]

  here's a friend that I've had for fresh [TS]

  well you're not everybody has really [TS]

  friendly yeah man but that's what [TS]

  college fills that role the college you [TS]

  still like yes in your little town [TS]

  you're not going to find people made [TS]

  especially if you if your thing is like [TS]

  your academics or whatever your college [TS]

  your odds of finding someone who's like [TS]

  you go up so much and there and there in [TS]

  person right and so it's like it mean I [TS]

  don't like distribution water people [TS]

  most like a bell curve right and if [TS]

  you're not in the middle of that bell [TS]

  curve you you know you have to go at [TS]

  like you have to go someplace with a [TS]

  bell curve is different now you're in [TS]

  college and a lot of people who are in [TS]

  the middle of the governing the college [TS]

  and release it used to be and so you'd [TS]

  find out where the jocks we could beat [TS]

  up the nerve right everything but the [TS]

  computer is the great equalizer can [TS]

  bring everybody together it's like they [TS]

  see it as you are afraid of human [TS]

  interaction you don't want you don't [TS]

  know how to make friends locally or [TS]

  whatever it's just like it's just a [TS]

  simple matter of math and population [TS]

  density was also supply and demand yeah [TS]

  all rights hanging out in the right [TS]

  circles like Li had plenty of population [TS]

  density but when you're going to a [TS]

  private school whose emphasis was on [TS]

  like short skirts and wearing lipstick [TS]

  as a 12 year olds like that's what's [TS]

  cool is that [TS]

  yeah I need to send packages I'm now the [TS]

  population density and like what is the [TS]

  density of nerds well your honor and [TS]

  they're just they're spread to sparsely [TS]

  even if you're in Los Angeles is just [TS]

  too too sparse well exactly it's like [TS]

  that the likelihood that you're going to [TS]

  have the a good portion of nerds who are [TS]

  the same kind of nerds you in the same [TS]

  space is very limited [TS]

  whereas with college your are you on [TS]

  your way up [TS]

  you're picking something in the same [TS]

  area right you're picking your all [TS]

  picking different or the same kind of [TS]

  idea of a college and then from there it [TS]

  just goes on and you get to and Jason's [TS]

  cracks about me and I deserved an image [TS]

  is going through his head but I sides we [TS]

  did not have the school with the short [TS]

  skirts a little chicken that's in my [TS]

  town and I've got a major or is there [TS]

  left out no that's just what kids in [TS]

  1999 did because Britney Spears was [TS]

  doing it Ned that was cool like em what [TS]

  I see I see it wasn't i was inspired to [TS]

  happen very strict private school where [TS]

  the dress code involved short skirts and [TS]

  lipstick and your underwear and [TS]

  everything like a thirteen-year-old wet [TS]

  ok that's fine i was in the population [TS]

  anything I I wonder about if there's an [TS]

  element of that it's still like if those [TS]

  people aren't there but they're just [TS]

  they're afraid right like there-there is [TS]

  activated sectors they are dominated [TS]

  like that sometimes you do find HR like [TS]

  you and one other guy find each other [TS]

  and then but you have to keep the secret [TS]

  because you'll do the bus like it's like [TS]

  you see an ironic internet t-shirt [TS]

  across the parking lot like a long that [TS]

  they're experiencing I'm thinking of is [TS]

  I'm thinking the experience the the the [TS]

  freaks and geeks D&D stuff with James [TS]

  Franco Franco and I like did you ever [TS]

  have that experience of like meeting [TS]

  someone who is totally dissimilar but [TS]

  like actually like the the jocks who are [TS]

  closet nerd like me i had I totally had [TS]

  that experience there are a couple guys [TS]

  I knew we used to so like you know my [TS]

  friends and i played a bunch of ultimate [TS]

  frisbee high school will be out in the [TS]

  courtyard throwing frisbee but there are [TS]

  a couple guys who actually would come by [TS]

  and we're like in some ways like [TS]

  protectors in that they were the older [TS]

  kid [TS]

  kids but they're like yeah that's cool [TS]

  and like they would they would keep you [TS]

  from getting like beat up basically I [TS]

  don't want to i want I don't want to [TS]

  turn this into a requiem for the jocks [TS]

  but think about how sad is what we're [TS]

  talking about oh you know we had these [TS]

  things we were enthusiastic about and it [TS]

  made us sort of ostracize and it was [TS]

  hard to find people who are like this [TS]

  but fault follow me here [TS]

  imagine you're somebody who likes that [TS]

  stuff but is not confident enough to say [TS]

  you like we're not encouraged and ends [TS]

  up in a position where you're not the [TS]

  nerd in little group that's playing dnd [TS]

  your the popular person who has already [TS]

  put down your childish things and is [TS]

  looking over there going me and I really [TS]

  like to place in dungeons and dragons [TS]

  and yet is like off on this office hours [TS]

  and you're not making me feel so does [TS]

  well no I mean I think I could feel [TS]

  something I think there are people who [TS]

  would really love that stuff [TS]

  who never ever dared am running can be [TS]

  something they got happy that's what [TS]

  happens in middle school you make that [TS]

  choice what kind of what kind of person [TS]

  you're going to be and somewhat defined [TS]

  to make the choice of saying you know [TS]

  what I know nobody does is it's not [TS]

  making a popular but i like you have to [TS]

  be obstinate about it and some people if [TS]

  people who feel like I have a choice [TS]

  here I could go with those popular [TS]

  people i could not and the i know a lot [TS]

  of people yes they do make that choice [TS]

  to say I'm going to leave that behind [TS]

  and but I feel like those people don't [TS]

  spend a lot of time regretting and they [TS]

  just never look back and feel like this [TS]

  is the person i'm going to blow up [TS]

  because they can't miss they have the [TS]

  option because they're good-looking [TS]

  enough because they're coordinated [TS]

  enough because they are personable [TS]

  enough that they have the option and [TS]

  they feel like if I just cut this part [TS]

  out and the other thing is if you're [TS]

  super popular and super smart and super [TS]

  good-looking you can be in both you can [TS]

  average American normal ever question [TS]

  you because you were the most popular [TS]

  answer and we definitely we had you know [TS]

  we definitely had that was you it was me [TS]

  and that's Jimmy and James Franco I like [TS]

  we have seen from my school were tense [TS]

  right now it comes down to confidence [TS]

  and being a sure of yourself and I don't [TS]

  think if that really happens if there's [TS]

  people there's get confidence though [TS]

  that's the thing is that i think there [TS]

  is a fundamental thing about people who [TS]

  are liking these on popular things that [TS]

  they still do them and some of those [TS]

  people have no ability to understand [TS]

  what they're doing what they're doing it [TS]

  just like this thing I'm just really [TS]

  excited about it and everything else is [TS]

  like what do you have [TS]

  the autistic single but then there are [TS]

  other people who are like you know i [TS]

  love it i don't care i mean you guys [TS]

  don't like it I don't care i love it and [TS]

  that there is sometimes you get some [TS]

  confidence and it's like this is who I [TS]

  am [TS]

  yes what I like thanks a lot of time [TS]

  just because a lot better but you're [TS]

  right you're great friends right you get [TS]

  takes your time but it takes a long time [TS]

  is like a special just because you feel [TS]

  like you're going that direction because [TS]

  look at you say i don't have the option [TS]

  to go the other one I'm never going to [TS]

  be coordinated and I'm never gonna be [TS]

  good like you're never going to be [TS]

  popular and so it's so much easier to [TS]

  make the decision well I guess this is [TS]

  my thing then you stopped for whatever [TS]

  but you never spent and you're like well [TS]

  I might as well throw myself into it and [TS]

  you're aware of what's happening you're [TS]

  aware that there has been a fork in the [TS]

  road but your consolation prizes like [TS]

  well I got to do the thing that I like [TS]

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  it's here because i feel like as a kid I [TS]

  got beat up way more for being like the [TS]

  chubby little kid rather than because of [TS]

  what anything that was interested in [TS]

  like I feel like I was just like a [TS]

  target that could run that you got me a [TS]

  little water for the boys to be more [TS]

  nuanced yeah they didn't really get into [TS]

  the new odds they've been going for [TS]

  their pretty much i'm getting beat up [TS]

  offa your childhood and elementary is [TS]

  elementary schools elementary school was [TS]

  not that [TS]

  yeah elementary school and what about [TS]

  all the problems early [TS]

  yeah then you went to the like happy oh [TS]

  yeah I went off and left the elementary [TS]

  school where I had like some friends but [TS]

  like generally felt like you know i'm [TS]

  the nerd who reads a lot that's the guy [TS]

  who I am to a school where it turned out [TS]

  there were a lot of other people who [TS]

  also read a lot and read comic books and [TS]

  like games you could sit near each other [TS]

  and read silently to yourself [TS]

  essentially so i wanted to mention [TS]

  something about we talk about online [TS]

  relationships and friendships earlier [TS]

  and i wanted to mention this my first [TS]

  relationship by the way was also online [TS]

  and all i guess i can put a link in the [TS]

  show notes because i really think about [TS]

  it for the magazine but I feel like [TS]

  we're that is a generational thing that [TS]

  is still happening that this reality of [TS]

  your friends on the internet vs your [TS]

  friends in real life and and i suspect [TS]

  that maybe people of like our kids [TS]

  generation will not will not see as big [TS]

  of a difference may stick mummy like [TS]

  pressure but from the parent respective [TS]

  I think there is still a factor there [TS]

  because like it disagrees you're not [TS]

  gonna you're not gonna say like oh it's [TS]

  because my child's nitrates be in person [TS]

  but you do want to know things that you [TS]

  can't know when you can meet their [TS]

  friends right that from a parenting [TS]

  perspective it's not as if I think oh [TS]

  you shouldn't be making friends in [TS]

  because they're not real friends just as [TS]

  an information for it that needs is [TS]

  gentle kind of people these are on this [TS]

  is actually like a 50 year old man but [TS]

  they are real friends and it's not the [TS]

  online doesn't make them not real and i [TS]

  say that because i have if I think about [TS]

  my friends in my town who are largely [TS]

  parents of kids at my kids school I I i [TS]

  have a bunch of them that I like a lot [TS]

  but the [TS]

  it is the things that they are [TS]

  interested in and the things that I am [TS]

  interested in a intersect in very small [TS]

  I mean there's the other sports that [TS]

  there's that there's I got some sports [TS]

  there's the nice there's a nice woman [TS]

  who I can talk about eighties movies and [TS]

  eighties music with you like her John [TS]

  that that's a good one we have that one [TS]

  that would be a good dinner party but uh [TS]

  but it's not i mean we got our kids your [TS]

  kids is what the main but because any [TS]

  and then they asked about like Oh what [TS]

  you know what do you do is your hobbies [TS]

  and what and what do you what's this [TS]

  podcast i hear about and all that and [TS]

  it's this gaping the way you feel like [TS]

  the field they feel like I mean I never [TS]

  bring this up and we're meeting like [TS]

  friends of you know our parents of my [TS]

  kids friends or whatever [TS]

  my wife will frequently bring up like Oh [TS]

  and John does the podcast or whatever [TS]

  and I'm I'm loath to bring it up good [TS]

  cricket sound effect because it's [TS]

  because you don't like explain but it's [TS]

  like it's maybe it's bad or its people [TS]

  like you just you just have the [TS]

  expectation that there's not gonna be [TS]

  any common ground there and that's why [TS]

  like why not even bring it up and then [TS]

  you'll feel like sometimes they want to [TS]

  know about it and you try to explain it [TS]

  and like they don't know what you're [TS]

  talking about and it doesn't make any [TS]

  sense of them and they tried to be [TS]

  polite and or whatever and like you [TS]

  still feel a little bit that distance [TS]

  even stopped because again it comes down [TS]

  to a population density how many people [TS]

  like you are there near you and that the [TS]

  number is low you just assume that [TS]

  everyone you meet will not be like you [TS]

  and I think it an adult's I think it's [TS]

  more in hiding because I bet their [TS]

  friends that but their parents of kids [TS]

  in in my kids school who are into geeky [TS]

  things that I don't bring them up to [TS]

  them they'll bring opens tonight you [TS]

  people at a party [TS]

  yeah I'm not knocking about don't forget [TS]

  again it's the love that dare not speak [TS]

  its right yeah and that's not in a bad [TS]

  way but it's like you just assume you [TS]

  just assume that everyone around you [TS]

  physically right [TS]

  hey anybody here want to talk about [TS]

  video games no alright alright I'll see [TS]

  myself occasionally you'll accidentally [TS]

  discover one where you make it off and [TS]

  comment and the latch onto and then you [TS]

  like all where we did find each other [TS]

  that like you know that we do happen to [TS]

  also whatever you soon it's interesting [TS]

  because the opportunity like has gone up [TS]

  though it's like you go to a party right [TS]

  and it's like somebody's like looking at [TS]

  the phone LOL we played over my candy [TS]

  crush's like it you don't like it and [TS]

  there's always you played this game but [TS]

  there's there's a there's an entry point [TS]

  because the internet is not for pockets [TS]

  now [TS]

  yeah but I you know it's interesting I [TS]

  don't from one reason I've another i was [TS]

  thinkin you mentioned like you know you [TS]

  parents of your kids friends as a good [TS]

  when i was a kid i assume that like [TS]

  because I was friends with somebody our [TS]

  parents had to be friends look there's a [TS]

  letter yesterday Lucien see the weird [TS]

  kid room but I you know I feel like I'm [TS]

  not in the same circles I don't have you [TS]

  know not having kids I don't have that [TS]

  interaction but I do run into people [TS]

  water like end up at pipes social [TS]

  functions or whatever with people who I [TS]

  don't think have any commonalities but I [TS]

  end up talking about it a lot anyways [TS]

  because because you have because you [TS]

  have a mutant middle school where you [TS]

  have nothing else to talk about you [TS]

  didn't get your fresh people ask what I [TS]

  do for a living and I got tech writer [TS]

  and they're like oh yeah I like this app [TS]

  or whatever you know people there is a [TS]

  commonality is much more accepted writer [TS]

  is easier to explain then like i play [TS]

  video games and have a podcast about [TS]

  like just my one of my son's you don't [TS]

  know my son's best friend his dad is is [TS]

  a is a designer and I knew who I was [TS]

  which was kind of funny but it ended up [TS]

  being we talked about like what podcast [TS]

  you listen to and did you see this app [TS]

  and all that and we can talk about that [TS]

  that's that's good but i I've yet to [TS]

  idea to meet somebody who's like you [TS]

  know what sci-fi novel should I read [TS]

  next right it's like it said well it [TS]

  only happens your favorite doctor yeah [TS]

  yeah well yea or nay our neighbors are [TS]

  very much we can do that one [TS]

  the key is the internet friend thing is [TS]

  interesting because obviously we all [TS]

  spend a lot of time on Twitter and other [TS]

  social networking thing and I was like [TS]

  okay so we have a podcast where we talk [TS]

  to our house about this stuff and summer [TS]

  we met on the internet we are at and we [TS]

  are in very faraway lands right each [TS]

  other right but the internet thing I [TS]

  think with like social networking [TS]

  especially on Twitter like I there's [TS]

  definitely a lot of times where i have [TS]

  started following some on twitter that i [TS]

  did not know personally and then have [TS]

  meds right like and you become friends [TS]

  from the internet until I matches my [TS]

  skin like it in some ways my job through [TS]

  the internet you like it it happens and [TS]

  the other thing at least for me I mean [TS]

  Dan you may have had a dilek middle [TS]

  school but for me like for me even gonna [TS]

  be dinner plate just come on I have my [TS]

  lunch money taken never gonna forgive [TS]

  you now her happy childhood but um even [TS]

  you know even in high school [TS]

  nice a day sir in high [TS]

  well in college you know even though i [TS]

  was with a bunch of people who like I [TS]

  was like they're cool they're real [TS]

  people like they're they're people who [TS]

  like the things that I like they're [TS]

  still like a super nervousness about it [TS]

  right you don't want to you don't want [TS]

  to alienate the people who are awesome [TS]

  and you still get a look a little bit of [TS]

  of self-consciousness about it and I [TS]

  don't know whether it's just getting [TS]

  older or what but a few years ago I just [TS]

  kind of I was like you know what effort [TS]

  like yeah the just I I stopped caring [TS]

  about how like I I knew who i was at [TS]

  that point or at least I just kind of [TS]

  figured out who I was or who I wanted to [TS]

  present myself as publicly to people and [TS]

  I just kind of went with that and I'm [TS]

  just like hi I'm serenity I like this [TS]

  stuff i do this stuff i play roller [TS]

  derby and it's like I'm you know what it [TS]

  was but every time you meet someone new [TS]

  and really kind of want her to die [TS]

  it's just laying in a lot midnight you [TS]

  know what it is i think i think i [TS]

  learned that i absolutely hate small [TS]

  talk with like an undying passion of a [TS]

  thousand suns so i would much rather [TS]

  dying sunday right i should immediately [TS]

  repel them with your weirdness and [TS]

  robbery I would rather die or I drop a [TS]

  lot of conversation topics and I'm like [TS]

  all right you know what I just like to [TS]

  idea I it's like little beacon it's like [TS]

  you dislike since you dating for friends [TS]

  to talk about babies work for you know [TS]

  if not then make sure you will be [TS]

  talking yeah exactly it's like i can [TS]

  talk about the weather for all I want [TS]

  but it's just it's not interesting money [TS]

  at some point if you're very if you're [TS]

  fortunate in having a little self [TS]

  analysis at some point you realize who [TS]

  you are and who you like and that you're [TS]

  gonna be that person and I think when [TS]

  you're an adolescent there's a lot of [TS]

  questions like who am i to i want to be [TS]

  that person yeah can I have not enjoy [TS]

  have an option to be this right so I [TS]

  better try that have also with TARDIS [TS]

  may be cool baby [TS]

  may be cool baby [TS]

  oh ok nevermind nevermind so the great [TS]

  right but at some point you're like this [TS]

  is who I am and I want to talk to people [TS]

  who will accept me for who I am and [TS]

  that's a big step [TS]

  the end and it has ramifications because [TS]

  that means that they're gonna be some [TS]

  people who are like yeah you seem [TS]

  perfectly nice but we have nothing in [TS]

  common and then there's definitely ways [TS]

  to go with the rent was saying like once [TS]

  you decide that she could say oh I could [TS]

  I could lay these things out they hear [TS]

  things that I'm interested in are you [TS]

  interested in that and like war where [TS]

  I'm coming from is the even more timid [TS]

  side is where my immediate assumption is [TS]

  there's nothing even white there's [TS]

  nothing i'm interested in that you're [TS]

  gonna be interested in you just assume [TS]

  that about everybody looking for my PTSD [TS]

  job know there was a good little bit [TS]

  full last night [TS]

  we're at the talk show party right you [TS]

  guys are on stage and I'm talking to to [TS]

  jesse char and and Amy Gruber walks by [TS]

  and I mentioned something about roller [TS]

  derby and she turned around she's like [TS]

  roller derby you know that was you know [TS]

  that was part of my midlife crisis I was [TS]

  deciding whether to get a tattoo or join [TS]

  a roller derby team and I was like the [TS]

  things that you'd never know from people [TS]

  right you can but she would not have [TS]

  offered that outfit has a story to [TS]

  someone because it in the circles of [TS]

  nerd she's not like this is not a roller [TS]

  derby crowd know exactly why would I [TS]

  talk about only it's probably because [TS]

  she heard it from you going by exactly [TS]

  that's the whole thing like if you if [TS]

  you if you think like given given a [TS]

  random person United States what are the [TS]

  odds they share any interest with you if [TS]

  you think that's really super low it [TS]

  like you feel like you need you don't [TS]

  have an in with anybody and you feel [TS]

  like you need some you need to see them [TS]

  on the internet talking about and then [TS]

  we can go over them or hear them at a [TS]

  party going to go over them and like but [TS]

  you're not gonna end and what you're [TS]

  doing is saying like I'm going to lay [TS]

  these things out there and you're [TS]

  interested you're going to go away but [TS]

  it means that you are interested [TS]

  I'm not hiding the fact that I'm into [TS]

  these things and I'm going and you're [TS]

  going to him toward it's basically it's [TS]

  basically dating no I basically it well [TS]

  it's it's childhood mentality right when [TS]

  you're five [TS]

  you don't think in your head oh gosh [TS]

  what if i say this and someone won't [TS]

  like me it's just [TS]

  hi I'm ren right look I like the color [TS]

  blue one of my frog exactly look at my [TS]

  father and then you dance on the [TS]

  sidewalk so much easier that's exactly [TS]

  and it's like as a girl with the girls [TS]

  are ran from you that was a positive [TS]

  result [TS]

  that's right i got a frog check him out [TS]

  he's gross [TS]

  I don't know it's not and is not to say [TS]

  that I don't have like self-doubt and [TS]

  and self-confidence issues sometimes but [TS]

  it's just it's a I should just find it [TS]

  so much easier to be able to be like [TS]

  yeah this is what I like you know what I [TS]

  have enough i have enough good friends [TS]

  and I have people I care about and who [TS]

  care about me that I'm not afraid that [TS]

  if I you know hide myself i'm not going [TS]

  to be able to like have friends [TS]

  it's a context thing I mean because I [TS]

  think about the most disparate group of [TS]

  people that I interact with his i play [TS]

  very frequently i play ultimate frisbee [TS]

  and I playing a different i played on a [TS]

  team that's different every season [TS]

  ok rock yeah yeah the ultimate frisbee [TS]

  jocks something never never called but [TS]

  like I I you know I play essentially [TS]

  like a pickup sport and you have [TS]

  different team every season so I meet [TS]

  new people every single season and [TS]

  people want to know what do you do [TS]

  whatever we go to the bar afterwards we [TS]

  have a drink and invariably i find that [TS]

  and part of that is because its ultimate [TS]

  frisbee which is still a predominantly [TS]

  nerd sport like almost everybody I talk [TS]

  to is like a nerd in some way and number [TS]

  of times that's devolved into [TS]

  conversations about Doctor Who or the [TS]

  Avengers or whatever like it's just in [TS]

  because increasingly popular and maybe [TS]

  that's a self-selecting sort of thing [TS]

  but it's like when you're in the [TS]

  computer lab in your college you just [TS]

  come to anybody start talking to him [TS]

  about you know nethack or whatever he [TS]

  liked it i feel like i wandered in here [TS]

  by mistake charge then it's not i just [TS]

  try to print something you don't have to [TS]

  print things because I don't know anyone [TS]

  that has got like a random person from [TS]

  the United States it's like in the [TS]

  computer lab the odd that someone who [TS]

  was also internet access this goes way [TS]

  way up and then then then all of a [TS]

  sudden the side of the people comes out [TS]

  then they make their like other people [TS]

  were the assumption of regular various [TS]

  peoples that whoever I mean we're going [TS]

  to share something in common and we have [TS]

  something to talk about a lot of times [TS]

  it's sports tourism you just assume like [TS]

  you don't know how many times I've made [TS]

  people in Boston who want to make small [TS]

  talk with me about boston sports teams [TS]

  and it's just so it's a side effect of [TS]

  what it is it's like it it is like a [TS]

  shock to their system to hear that [TS]

  someone doesn't follow Boston sport [TS]

  teams like the water I wear my red sox [TS]

  had people ask me about red stuff all [TS]

  the time in which we discussed earlier [TS]

  tonight I was a casual fan I'm a casual [TS]

  fan and so like sometimes doesn't [TS]

  register for me and [TS]

  someone made a comment to me the other [TS]

  day I was in some place totally random [TS]

  and they like point my hat or something [TS]

  was like is too bad about it was the [TS]

  doctor's office haha there's an older [TS]

  gentleman on his way out he's like I you [TS]

  must be pretty happy today and i was [TS]

  like i'm still like the mental rolodex [TS]

  only things like that you know about me [TS]

  people say the same yeah but be really [TS]

  excited I'm not wearing a red sox cap [TS]

  people say the same things like that why [TS]

  i couldn't believe like they don't even [TS]

  say about that game like they're just [TS]

  super happy they've been infiltrated may [TS]

  just assume it's gonna be such a [TS]

  connection I orgies last night right now [TS]

  they don't know they don't even say a [TS]

  player named they just like they just [TS]

  feel like because their odds must be [TS]

  like 97% was just an aerial sure [TS]

  absolutely i'm workin fakin and like [TS]

  which I am did I end up doing sorry did [TS]

  you pull the green pajamas back I got [TS]

  nothin for ya [TS]

  what do you think i was curious yellow [TS]

  card was like right this conversation I [TS]

  brought to you by giant glass serbia [TS]

  home at the houston area since its I get [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah I well there's a guy i was curious [TS]

  to know if you guys think that there's [TS]

  an impact of of your your profession in [TS]

  this because i was thinking back to your [TS]

  talking about people like being [TS]

  naturally gregarious and talking to [TS]

  people like my first job was doing i.t [TS]

  stuff and i worked at you know library [TS]

  and I basically went around it like [TS]

  hooked up people's computers fickle and [TS]

  in that I was expected you know I talk [TS]

  to people like I just constantly like I [TS]

  was always going to their office helping [TS]

  them with something and I feel like you [TS]

  know there was certainly a social skills [TS]

  that developed as part of that is like I [TS]

  have to interact with people on a daily [TS]

  basis and you know you're certainly more [TS]

  willing to talk to people in that way [TS]

  but I don't know if there's a an element [TS]

  of that like what you end up doing has a [TS]

  reflective of your it in my and my job [TS]

  is a computer programmer but wouldn't [TS]

  that a lot i'm not gonna be when I [TS]

  worked in my entire career [TS]

  I it's I don't know he's going to tell [TS]

  you type for a little while and then you [TS]

  go i'm in i don't know that something [TS]

  like that like you would think okay so [TS]

  like I said you're in the computer lab [TS]

  if you're a computer programmer in your [TS]

  room filled with computer programmers [TS]

  you might assume that everybody around [TS]

  you is like you and like I certainly [TS]

  your odds go up that they're going to [TS]

  share the interest with you or whatever [TS]

  but like for example in the job that I [TS]

  have now when I started you know talk to [TS]

  people around me I was shocked to learn [TS]

  at a certain point I did this [TS]

  I got my confidence level is up with a [TS]

  bunch of programmers write and our [TS]

  program and I feel like everything John [TS]

  your that program isn't anything that's [TS]

  how it feels not to work anyways haha it [TS]

  is certain point at a certain point I [TS]

  said to the entire room after talking to [TS]

  the person in my life and personal right [TS]

  he was friendly with whatever if you [TS]

  have heard of Jonathan Coulton this room [TS]

  raise your hand and like one percent of [TS]

  the hands come on and then you like I [TS]

  really am alone like I'm a modest bro [TS]

  like who you know think was a child like [TS]

  me again because you think what you like [TS]

  your computer for a marketer round but [TS]

  what are you like super into computer [TS]

  programming you go home and you read [TS]

  logs about that are you just gonna go to [TS]

  work and like what things are you doing [TS]

  that a good thing is there's a diversity [TS]

  you know like the guy who sits next to [TS]

  me [TS]

  his is on an ultimate frisbee team and I [TS]

  think he might be thinking everyone here [TS]

  plays ultimate and he might be shocked [TS]

  to learn that even my probably know him [TS]

  even my second is it but you are not [TS]

  like me right and we do have common [TS]

  ground but like even within even within [TS]

  those circles like I mean I'm i'm in [TS]

  that environment i'm confident enough to [TS]

  be insulted by the fact these people [TS]

  don't have an all-seeing seen all the [TS]

  Star Wars movies and don't know Jonathan [TS]

  Coulton is and you know all these things [TS]

  like that I'm not assuming they're all [TS]

  following at every Apple move you know [TS]

  what i mean but like it it's me [TS]

  something right and you know so that's [TS]

  the difference you have anything in [TS]

  common [TS]

  it's the way it's the way that it's the [TS]

  way the guy feels when they try to bring [TS]

  up a sports thing to me and they're just [TS]

  yeah you know insulted by the fact that [TS]

  I would be living in the city and not [TS]

  following orders are for someone even if [TS]

  it's not insulted so what this comes [TS]

  back to in so many different ways is [TS]

  enthusiasm people have enthusiasm for [TS]

  different things and you're trying to [TS]

  find a common bond and a way to do it [TS]

  and i would actually argue the people [TS]

  who are who are are nerds people who are [TS]

  geeky the thing that defines them in [TS]

  some ways is enthusiasm sometimes kind [TS]

  of out perhaps too much control every [TS]

  time you say this i can't help but [TS]

  picture robert de niro and the [TS]

  intouchables talking about a man becomes [TS]

  prominent he's expected to have [TS]

  enthusiasm but it's really passion right [TS]

  that's it sits cash was a theater person [TS]

  would say yes [TS]

  yeah this one more story is just like [TS]

  when i when i went to to college my [TS]

  college was like a graduate program for [TS]

  undergraduate students and so everybody [TS]

  was working on theses and junior thesis [TS]

  season [TS]

  senior theses and so whenever you go to [TS]

  a party it would be like if you want to [TS]

  dance pieces [TS]

  no it's it's what are you working on and [TS]

  it's like I knew I i was really good [TS]

  friends with people in college who you [TS]

  know they're there [TS]

  major what they were concentrating on [TS]

  was like genome therapy and and [TS]

  splitting and cloning jeans and like but [TS]

  they were able to talk we were able to [TS]

  talk in the same language despite not [TS]

  you don't entertain the same translation [TS]

  you know but serious you know you can [TS]

  understand obsession with the weird [TS]

  thing exactly exactly washing with [TS]

  passion or rather than and even if this [TS]

  even if the language is work the same [TS]

  yours talking about you get your shared [TS]

  experience was we're both interested in [TS]

  things that most people don't understand [TS]

  exactly away the most people can't [TS]

  relate to and even if we can't relate to [TS]

  each other things we can relate to the [TS]

  experience of being in other being it's [TS]

  just things that other people are not [TS]

  necessarily interested i mean i think [TS]

  maybe we get back to the uncomfortable I [TS]

  think that's why a lot of people wasn't [TS]

  being comfortable can listen to it even [TS]

  if they're not into comics your netbook [TS]

  or even if you like it I don't read [TS]

  comics at all but I like hearing you [TS]

  guys talk enthusiastically about comps [TS]

  because I'm enthusiastic about you know [TS]

  doctor who or whatever something else [TS]

  that you also talk about that also is [TS]

  marginal and not commonly found and not [TS]

  just interests like this everyone's into [TS]

  everyone goes to see the Marvel movies [TS]

  but you're really into a comment like it [TS]

  celebrates there's commonalities tonight [TS]

  and a comic book fan would say that I'm [TS]

  not John that's actually lose gradation [TS]

  why the combination of round one thing [TS]

  is when i'm not into it so enthusiastic [TS]

  about any subject that I would do a [TS]

  whole podcast about it just doesn't [TS]

  interact apparently i don't have that [TS]

  happen anyway [TS]

  oh you're right yeah yeah you're right [TS]

  about that McNulty the enthusiasm thing [TS]

  is interesting and what I mean there are [TS]

  certain commonalities between those [TS]

  types of things right like fantastic [TS]

  elements or whatever things that go [TS]

  beyond the what happens in the real [TS]

  world you know there are certainly it's [TS]

  easier there's like a gateway drug right [TS]

  to it like if you're interested in this [TS]

  thing you might be interested you may [TS]

  also be interested in these other things [TS]

  yeah but yeah I think yeah the [TS]

  enthusiasm thing I think is a big part [TS]

  of the artery right like the thing that [TS]

  we never doubt about our gift shop and [TS]

  inappropriate enthusiasts you too much [TS]

  enthusiasm for thing that doesn't have [TS]

  any bearing on your livelihood most of [TS]

  the time unless your super enthusiastic [TS]

  about it like I mean like anybody really [TS]

  enthusiastic about things that bear on [TS]

  there [TS]

  livelihood I feel like that's like that [TS]

  you have a mystic about Apple ya wear [TS]

  that again I John what are you we are in [TS]

  the small percentage i think of people [TS]

  who are super enthusiastic about [TS]

  something that happens to reverse the [TS]

  overlap with what we do for about that [TS]

  but there but that's what like when you [TS]

  get into the mediums like all right we [TS]

  all like to go to the movies we all go [TS]

  see a fun movie or whatever but if [TS]

  you're like super into movies and you [TS]

  see every movie you think you might want [TS]

  to make a movie some day you become a [TS]

  marginal not because you're into movies [TS]

  because it's inappropriate to them to [TS]

  monitor and i am not to mind if it's [TS]

  like will do you make movies for living [TS]

  will know but i would like to yeah and [TS]

  they don't have video stores anymore for [TS]

  you to begin the the appropriate thing [TS]

  for you to do is do you have a regular [TS]

  job into regular things and go see fun [TS]

  movies and not for you to be as [TS]

  literally what my eye because my cousin [TS]

  of my other cousins husband's rights [TS]

  like reviews of movies and goes to like [TS]

  you know a hundred movies here and like [TS]

  he works in york city like Safeway not [TS]

  like a girl like a a sales guy something [TS]

  and like that's what does that you'd [TS]

  that's his job his hobbies different [TS]

  movies yeah so [TS]

  and some people for some people they [TS]

  they don't have that but i think there [TS]

  are others who do you know in just a bit [TS]

  depends on what you're doing with your [TS]

  life that depends on how you how you [TS]

  make your just like some people for me [TS]

  like I know I couldn't I couldn't have a [TS]

  job that I wasn't passionate about [TS]

  because I would you know I would slack [TS]

  off i would i would not be a good worker [TS]

  and I've had those jobs [TS]

  yeah they suck they suck they're not [TS]

  worth doing one of my favorite comments [TS]

  we've ever gotten about the podcast is I [TS]

  think fits into this which is somebody [TS]

  who and I and forgive me [TS]

  mysterious rider because i don't [TS]

  remember your name and I don't remember [TS]

  your state i think maybe it was South [TS]

  Dakota but it could be in Montana but it [TS]

  was I leave her here in the middle of [TS]

  nowhere or on the edge of nowhere in [TS]

  Montana or Wyoming or some great plains [TS]

  states it's far away and very cold and [TS]

  doesn't have a lot of people and I will [TS]

  go outside and i'm walking around and [TS]

  listening to the podcast and I've got [TS]

  I've got nobody around who shares my [TS]

  interests and enthusiasm but when i [TS]

  listen to the podcast I feel like I'm [TS]

  with a group of friends who all like [TS]

  these things and I'm part of it even [TS]

  though I you know if either they can't [TS]

  say anything there they just say things [TS]

  that we ignore them and you [TS]

  with the downside of the pocket but it's [TS]

  that he loved mystery listener whoever [TS]

  you are you're our friend text the end [TS]

  makes me beds don't put on a jacket [TS]

  about you'll catch your death of cold [TS]

  out there you wouldn't want that but I i [TS]

  like that and it speaks to being [TS]

  enthusiastic and seeking other people [TS]

  who have to share some of your [TS]

  enthusiasms enjoying that people are [TS]

  enthusiastic about things i do think [TS]

  when you talk about passion that is part [TS]

  of the appeal of discussions like this [TS]

  is it's really fun to listen to somebody [TS]

  who is excited about something and [TS]

  genuinely loves it and is interested in [TS]

  it because with our world is full of a [TS]

  lot of cynicism and people who don't [TS]

  like things and people who are are doing [TS]

  things because they have to and it's [TS]

  often frowned upon socially to be [TS]

  enthusiastic and passionate about [TS]

  something so i think that's an aspect of [TS]

  it and I do think what we talked about [TS]

  here about how we don't always find [TS]

  those people around us and so you seek [TS]

  them out and we've all sort of [TS]

  interactive and met each other through a [TS]

  lot of the tech circles found this [TS]

  commonality which is more likely John [TS]

  because of what we were running and now [TS]

  we have this relationship with this [TS]

  interesting amorphous group of people [TS]

  you know that is done almost entirely [TS]

  through skype because most of us don't [TS]

  live in you three actually lived closer [TS]

  to one another than almost anybody else [TS]

  on the panel so I just I that comment [TS]

  which I love seems to really touch a lot [TS]

  of the the reasons why we do this the [TS]

  reasons why people want to listen to it [TS]

  and also sort of like the search that we [TS]

  all kind of go through and in thinking [TS]

  about this stuff [TS]

  dan gave me a thumbs up i give you a [TS]

  thumbs up because i don't see on the [TS]

  internet when I was more than thumbs up [TS]

  to like yeah that seems like a good wrap [TS]

  up huh yeah yeah I was like it's a nice [TS]

  it was a nice coda I felt like I think [TS]

  so too [TS]

  alright well they're there may be more [TS]

  to this podcast so you should stay tuned [TS]

  but i'm going to close out this segment [TS]

  of the uncomfortable where we talked [TS]

  about all sorts of very interesting [TS]

  things and for something that I had no [TS]

  idea how it's gonna go [TS]

  I thought it would create so I want to [TS]

  thank the people who helped make it be [TS]

  great [TS]

  dan morgan i am deeply disappointed in [TS]

  your healthy middle school experience [TS]

  you want the best part of it i have an [TS]

  ongoing dnd group [TS]

  these days with four players and one dm [TS]

  of that group three of us have known [TS]

  each other since high school for like [TS]

  since middle school like the players and [TS]

  RDM we've all known each other since [TS]

  middle school we have one guy we have [TS]

  met after that but like that I know it's [TS]

  abnormal in an abnormal that guy's gonna [TS]

  be the new guy forever [TS]

  yes our key you know you're not [TS]

  listening to this when you are going to [TS]

  be the new guy forever ever [TS]

  I also hear serenity caldwell who we [TS]

  learned many things about we learned [TS]

  that she posed as a as an adult [TS]

  well she's statute of limitations are [TS]

  offering around copa violent rhetoric [TS]

  veterinary schools the best part yeah [TS]

  everyone is the backstory rich baxter i [TS]

  know of course you did in one in some [TS]

  respects you are mainstream [TS]

  stereotypical if you went to the you [TS]

  went to the school with the strangest [TS]

  middle school dress code ever and and [TS]

  you are a person who has enthusiasm and [TS]

  passion for things like radio theatre [TS]

  and masks which is very would stay tuned [TS]

  for the mask podcast it's coming there's [TS]

  any what happened i will talk to you [TS]

  every 10 officers and media Thank You [TS]

  jr. is an untapped depth of knowledge [TS]

  there that we need to know mine i know i [TS]

  don't know how everybody wants to know [TS]

  about we mind the radio every theater [TS]

  the radio theatre part we mind so that's [TS]

  how you gotta you gotta say saying is a [TS]

  whole other vein that we need to get [TS]

  into their masks maybe not good for [TS]

  radio and i think the incomparable [TS]

  puppet show will be coming to your [TS]

  school your town soon so get ready [TS]

  videocast it's the future [TS]

  well alright public public cast mask [TS]

  cast it's hard to say Mass cast will [TS]

  have been working on this work on it and [TS]

  of course it's always a pleasure to be [TS]

  in the same room even it's a little [TS]

  buddy hot cramped room with John [TS]

  siracusa thank you [TS]

  I thought we didn't leave room for [TS]

  anybody else and I thought this is that [TS]

  we just fill the whole show 200 you [TS]

  saying you're gonna try to put other [TS]

  people and I think it will have I'm [TS]

  trying to put some special like maybe [TS]

  even some listener related stuff at the [TS]

  end just for kicks alright I just didn't [TS]

  feel like we didn't fill it up with that [TS]

  we don't know this is not john had a [TS]

  podcast is fill it up way that episode [TS]

  200 were a normally sized episode this [TS]

  would be the whole episode but I think [TS]

  maybe they'll be some other stuff [TS]

  size matters not yeah that's right it's [TS]

  blue [TS]

  it costs twice as much too so I got your [TS]

  star wars references I I know you're you [TS]

  know live long i sized live long and [TS]

  prosper about you should not and as the [TS]

  first I good yeah that's right words i [TS]

  played dice baseball the only way to end [TS]

  this body out nerd yes and that's the [TS]

  sends this segment of this episode [TS]

  Mr Dan Benjamin you know there's been [TS]

  this i don't know if you know this [TS]

  there's been this wacky podcast on your [TS]

  on your network 444 odd weeks now don't [TS]

  know if you you you saw it but uh but [TS]

  I've been like taking over your [TS]

  your-your-your networking your bandwidth [TS]

  and posting this crazy thing on the [TS]

  weekends for a while no I love it we [TS]

  didn't I love having it and I remember [TS]

  when we first talked about it it's just [TS]

  it's such a great show and it's such a [TS]

  unique show and there's no other show [TS]

  like it not just you know that shows on [TS]

  five by five but in general it's it's [TS]

  it's such a weird cool concept for a [TS]

  show that I think resonates so well with [TS]

  not just its audience but the the [TS]

  audience of geeks as a whole because you [TS]

  guys are are completely unafraid to do [TS]

  all of the geeky stuff that maybe they [TS]

  got us picked on when we were kids and I [TS]

  think that's the part of it did is so [TS]

  great is it you you are so happy about [TS]

  that the fact that these things can be [TS]

  cool now because nobody cares and [TS]

  everybody is kind of open to liking them [TS]

  do you know what I mean like that that's [TS]

  at the center of the show to me is that [TS]

  let's just do this stuff that we think [TS]

  is cool and and guess what we're gonna [TS]

  find [TS]

  yeah you know I think you hit it right [TS]

  on the head there that data this is [TS]

  totally embracing the stuff that would [TS]

  have gotten us or did get our said yeah [TS]

  unfortunately picked on and dance like [TS]

  no no I'm gonna that's actually the menu [TS]

  haven't even heard this but earlier in [TS]

  this very episode we talked about this a [TS]

  little bit and it's just definitely true [TS]

  that this is this is a sort of like it [TS]

  embracing our enthusiasm for this stuff [TS]

  and not being you know not not putting [TS]

  it away and saying well networked [TS]

  grown-ups we're going to be serious and [TS]

  we're not going to like this stuff right [TS]

  and you guys do on the that on your on [TS]

  your website on some of the other shows [TS]

  you do you do these you're like you're [TS]

  playing you're playing video games and [TS]

  you're playing role playing games and [TS]

  everyone else could just like hang out [TS]

  and watch and like it sounds weird but [TS]

  you couldn't have done this five years [TS]

  ago 10 years ago you know totally true [TS]

  even if the technology was there to do [TS]

  it wasn't like you couldn't just done [TS]

  that [TS]

  and it's so weird it's so different now [TS]

  how except like the best movies that are [TS]

  out have Spider Man and Thor in them i [TS]

  mean you know I'm saying like it's [TS]

  that's cool now what a strange world [TS]

  with you know like my kid is gonna grow [TS]

  up in a world where it's perfectly okay [TS]

  to like spider-man and Batman like what [TS]

  an amazing thing for regular people know [TS]

  who the Avengers are right [TS]

  how's that possible no Hawkeye is people [TS]

  want a Hawkeye movie on Twitter they're [TS]

  asking Marvel 41 like what is this world [TS]

  that's so weird LOL at the big picture [TS]

  the geeks have inherited this world [TS]

  apparently some apparently and it's it's [TS]

  it's crazy [TS]

  well you know when we started I i [TS]

  occasionally out people ask me like what [TS]

  what's the point what's the plan and [TS]

  what are you doing it's like there's no [TS]

  plan we started because we wanted to [TS]

  talk about this stuff and you know one [TS]

  of the one of the big steps forward was [TS]

  when we came you know you and I were [TS]

  talking for a while and you're like come [TS]

  on over to find Wi-Fi and and when you [TS]

  know coming over five by five around [TS]

  episode 60 and that was great because it [TS]

  turns out that a lot of the people who [TS]

  listen to five by five shows which were [TS]

  at that time especially you know almost [TS]

  entirely computer-related oh yeah really [TS]

  sure and it turns out there's a little [TS]

  bit turns out say I'm doing someone in [TS]

  here i have no filtering the the that [TS]

  has some resonance with with what we [TS]

  were talking about in terms of the [TS]

  audience also liked the stuff that we [TS]

  liked and it was that you know kind of [TS]

  it i would say accidental but it's just [TS]

  like we were just talking about stuff [TS]

  that we were excited about but it all [TS]

  you know it all fit pretty well because [TS]

  a lot of the people who listen to [TS]

  five-by-five stuff like that stuff too [TS]

  and that's cool that now that was the [TS]

  plan was literally just you know hey we [TS]

  like this stuff do you like it too and [TS]

  it turns out a lot of people to which is [TS]

  great [TS]

  yeah it's very cool and and that's the [TS]

  thing that that is always surprising is [TS]

  when you think that there's this thing [TS]

  that I kinda like and we'll talk about [TS]

  it but no one want to listen to that and [TS]

  you mentioned Merlin that you know a lot [TS]

  of the time we'll finish the show [TS]

  and he's he's so I I don't know if he [TS]

  just doesn't understand how interesting [TS]

  he is as a human but he'll always say [TS]

  autumn wasn't very good [TS]

  I wasn't very good and I'll say that i [TS]

  was listening to it while we did it and [TS]

  I I thought it was actually great and [TS]

  this thing you said about this was going [TS]

  to I was kind of a weird one and then [TS]

  inevitably people will start hearing it [TS]

  and i'll start tweeting and they'll be [TS]

  like thank you for this episode was [TS]

  great i didn't know anyone else like [TS]

  this I'm like yeah but that's the key is [TS]

  like that that thing that you as a as a [TS]

  person you know listen to this driving [TS]

  in your car or wherever you know our [TS]

  frost doing these shows that are about [TS]

  these typically very very geeky things I [TS]

  mean John siracusa is so well known for [TS]

  picking things apart and having this [TS]

  incredible detailed analysis and insight [TS]

  insight of something that is is such a [TS]

  small little subset of of an issue and [TS]

  it is complete understanding and [TS]

  description of it he's on your show a [TS]

  lot you know it's like that it's like [TS]

  people really like that because that's [TS]

  where we go in our heads you know and [TS]

  hear someone kind of articulate those [TS]

  thoughts and embrace the the inner and [TS]

  geek and nerd is is it's comforting in a [TS]

  weird way in then you know something [TS]

  about you mentioned there about Merlin [TS]

  Merlin part of it is Mooreland [TS]

  self-critical and he's and and that [TS]

  she's always kind of examining and going [TS]

  on now and enough that was any good [TS]

  against been on our show too and it's [TS]

  like a boy I really blue madness i know [TS]

  you were great Mariano those terrible [TS]

  try to be better next time like geez [TS]

  more when I don't know if I want to come [TS]

  on again because i don't think that I'm [TS]

  like Merlin you need to come back but i [TS]

  think there's another part of it which [TS]

  goes back to that like things that we [TS]

  get you beat up and in middle school [TS]

  high school don't which is that wavy [TS]

  which there's there's a little bit of it [TS]

  like I'm sorry its I read that somewhere [TS]

  the other week that it's like it when [TS]

  you say I'm sorry to bother you about [TS]

  this I think I know I'm boring you with [TS]

  this stuff i mean that is that is [TS]

  somebody who has been told that the [TS]

  stuff they like is stupid and they [TS]

  should shut up about it and that's so [TS]

  terrible and and so it's great when that [TS]

  comes out because the thing about the [TS]

  Internet and the thing about podcasting [TS]

  as you discover all these people as a as [TS]

  somebody on the podcast you discover all [TS]

  these people who listen who like the [TS]

  same stuff and and that's great and then [TS]

  if you're an audience member you are [TS]

  hearing these people talking about stuff [TS]

  that you like and ask [TS]

  yeah because this was sort of taboo [TS]

  stuff when you're a teenager like you're [TS]

  not supposed to like this stuff [TS]

  yeah I mean I've told this story before [TS]

  I don't think we're told it on your show [TS]

  that I remember it vividly vividly i was [TS]

  in fifth grade and the devo album [TS]

  freedom of choice with with it on it had [TS]

  come out and I remember this album and I [TS]

  remember it and I get was my first vinyl [TS]

  album that ever gotten and I was talking [TS]

  to somebody what like was a friend of [TS]

  mine so I thought and I was saying only [TS]

  I was so excited because right now i [TS]

  think i was about to get mr. roboto you [TS]

  know the sticks album that was my second [TS]

  album how oh yeah and you know like I [TS]

  was talking to these two albums about it [TS]

  with it with him and he literally he did [TS]

  the little you know where you take your [TS]

  YouTube pointer fingers and you gotta [TS]

  put one over the other in the shape of a [TS]

  cross as if to say protect me from you I [TS]

  devil [TS]

  oh man vampire and he's like Dewey you [TS]

  know he did we didn't say dude back then [TS]

  but essentially was like dude you listen [TS]

  to default like you're weird and that [TS]

  would think you have I think the thing [TS]

  you like sucks and that makes you stupid [TS]

  which is just the worst thing to say to [TS]

  any bright and and that was kind of the [TS]

  prevailing like you play D&D like [TS]

  fingers up you know that kind of thing [TS]

  it was like you it was bad too like this [TS]

  up and now it really doesn't seem to [TS]

  matter it may be because so many of us [TS]

  in that age groupers stage that happened [TS]

  to us and now we can be like a course I [TS]

  I like that stuff like comics are not [TS]

  weird [TS]

  dungeons and dragons is not really that [TS]

  weird in fact there are actually stores [TS]

  that you can go to that on the weekend [TS]

  have an entire section of the parking [TS]

  lot reserved for them because all of [TS]

  these people here adults and children to [TS]

  play pokemon and magic the gathering in [TS]

  always build you have their little mini [TS]

  figs that they painted and like this is [TS]

  cool now and it's so weird it's like in [TS]

  a way I mean I'm glad I grew up when I [TS]

  did but in a way I'm like I probably [TS]

  have a lot more fun if this stuff it [TS]

  just been ok back then and I'm really [TS]

  glad it's okay now [TS]

  sure and some of this I think is is pop [TS]

  culture in general and some of it is the [TS]

  internet [TS]

  showing that you're not alone because [TS]

  yeah it is i think the feeling of being [TS]

  alone like I'm the one the one who likes [TS]

  this stuff and nobody else likes of the [TS]

  popular kid doesn't like it and so now [TS]

  I'm gonna be I'm gonna be singled out [TS]

  not totally yeah it happened for me to [TS]

  with like the x-men when I was in high [TS]

  school I remember a night crawler [TS]

  t-shirt and I and the people made fun of [TS]

  me they're like what is that thing right [TS]

  and I think back now and it's like dude [TS]

  this is this is a john byrne [TS]

  illustration of Nightcrawler from the [TS]

  classic run of the x-men [TS]

  what is your problem yeah it back then [TS]

  it was just like heaven [TS]

  nevermind nothing right yeah I know that [TS]

  should be totally cool my homies so cool [TS]

  and the whole thing now is to wear a [TS]

  t-shirt that's so obscured that people [TS]

  don't know what it is like that's cool [TS]

  like I like something that's even [TS]

  geekier than the geeky stuff did you [TS]

  know about that's how much of a geek i [TS]

  am and that's like this almost the [TS]

  status thing to like write stuff you [TS]

  know it's gone the other way right now [TS]

  because i like the NFL [TS]

  I'm singled out as the weird now I'm [TS]

  weird haha liking the NFL like yeah you [TS]

  know i get i get that to write sports [TS]

  ball around and sunday night afraid it's [TS]

  gonna be the way you like sports [TS]

  what is wrong with you right sorry nerds [TS]

  I also explore yes sorry yeah yeah it's [TS]

  weird it's weird that we've gotten to [TS]

  this point it's fun [TS]

  I mean it's fun to talk about it and and [TS]

  it's and it's been great to discover [TS]

  that all these people the people i've [TS]

  been writing for all these years the [TS]

  people that you've been broadcasting to [TS]

  all these years these people like like a [TS]

  lot of stuff we like they like the [TS]

  technology stuff they like this other [TS]

  geeky you know cultural stuff too and I [TS]

  you know not all of them but a lot of [TS]

  them and I'm that's been nice [TS]

  that's been a nice discovery i think you [TS]

  know as somebody who is known as the you [TS]

  know the guy who wrote about apple for [TS]

  all those years it's been a lot of fun [TS]

  to you know these days I get just as [TS]

  much interaction about like comics or [TS]

  sci-fi stuff than I do about Apple which [TS]

  is pretty funny and that's because [TS]

  people of people love that stuff to [TS]

  that's just a big as big a part of their [TS]

  life as as you know technology's yeah [TS]

  sure is so well anyway damn it has been [TS]

  it has been great to be on to be on five [TS]

  by five and to have you on episode 208 [TS]

  guess I we should say before we go we've [TS]

  had a lot of stuff like there's an [TS]

  incomparable website now and there we [TS]

  had some feed redirections [TS]

  and things like that but you know we're [TS]

  gonna keep we're posting all of these [TS]

  other spin-off shows on the incomparable [TS]

  com will post the regular podcast there [TS]

  but it's still going to be on [TS]

  five-by-five too so you can sort of find [TS]

  it wherever you like it and it's great [TS]

  to be part of the five by five family so [TS]

  we're gonna you know we're going to keep [TS]

  on posting over there so people can [TS]

  people can find whatever but we've also [TS]

  got our spin-offs off on our own so I [TS]

  love it I love what you've been doing [TS]

  because it's it's again you talk about [TS]

  embracing all this stuff you've done [TS]

  that so well and and I love to see we [TS]

  are you doing and I'm a listener and i'm [TS]

  going to keeping the listener and thanks [TS]

  so much for having me and thanks for [TS]

  being part of five-by-five and and just [TS]

  for hanging out it's it's so awesome and [TS]

  please keep doing all this great stop [TS]

  and it turns out runnin runnin up [TS]

  website and hosting podcasts up its hard [TS]

  I appreciate what you do more and more [TS]

  everyday [TS]

  no I appreciate that there's no problem [TS]

  thanks for being yeah [TS]

  we're back with another in exciting [TS]

  segment of episode two hundred and I [TS]

  have a a giant panel of of people aren't [TS]

  exciting it is exciting Steve let's that [TS]

  was Steve let's hi Steve hi jason i'm [TS]

  excited i can you tell i can did you are [TS]

  you on muscle relaxants I wish I was but [TS]

  no I'm just high on life but greg koss [TS]

  says hi Craig muscle relaxants for [TS]

  everybody yeah alright okay pass them [TS]

  around crumb david lawrence also out [TS]

  there hi David and there I'm sure I'm [TS]

  stone-cold sober tonight [TS]

  alright good so far that's Erika and [TS]

  sign also out there hello hello yeah i'm [TS]

  drinking coffee i'm going the other [TS]

  direction [TS]

  Wow don't move don't move Monty actually [TS]

  I Monty hi Jason good to have you here [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  a rare cameo appearance by glenn [TS]

  fleischmann hi Glenn who I'm here [TS]

  yeah I don't know what happened i must [TS]

  be an accident don't let it happen again [TS]

  I know it's good to have you here and [TS]

  then we have two people who were who [TS]

  were on a previous segment of this [TS]

  episode in more'n hi Dan [TS]

  hello wait was I on that segment no yes [TS]

  no John siracusa what I know I there [TS]

  somewhere [TS]

  I'm high on life Jason and podcasting [TS]

  alright so here's what's happening now [TS]

  I've asked you guys together here to [TS]

  celebrate this 200th episode of the [TS]

  incomparable we're going to talk about [TS]

  some some so a few weeks ago I asked the [TS]

  listeners on Twitter to share some of [TS]

  their favorite moments [TS]

  oh no from the in constable huge mistake [TS]

  and and we're gonna and we're gonna get [TS]

  to those but we're going to start with [TS]

  something that you knew we had to do [TS]

  because i love it so much [TS]

  it is a draft no no I and you get you [TS]

  guys are thinking wait a second how [TS]

  could this be that there's a draft [TS]

  because you haven't asked you to prepare [TS]

  anything and that's true i haven't asked [TS]

  you to prepare anything with the first [TS]

  pick in the incomparable 200 episodes [TS]

  draft by listeners is listener Scott [TS]

  hello uncomfortable [TS]

  thanks for letting contribute to episode [TS]

  200 my name is scott williams and I've [TS]

  been listening to the show ever since [TS]

  the first hours episode for my pic i [TS]

  choose show number 166 I assume everyone [TS]

  is awful [TS]

  this episode dealt with how you can [TS]

  appreciate art created by people you [TS]

  don't agree with namely mr. Orson Scott [TS]

  Card too often arguments like this are [TS]

  flung back and forth over Twitter with [TS]

  no context and no new ones i chose this [TS]

  episode because it was the antithesis of [TS]

  that it's got smart people talking about [TS]

  something controversial but digging into [TS]

  it without trying to condense everything [TS]

  into a sarcastic soundbite also it has [TS]

  Hitler jokes and that's good enough for [TS]

  me [TS]

  thanks again I can't believe Scott could [TS]

  make it tonight because essentially the [TS]

  episode he titled is number one in the [TS]

  uncomfortable episode draft can we get [TS]

  that Scott instead so listen Scott here [TS]

  enjoys it when we are littered with [TS]

  politics is what is that they are most [TS]

  recent itunes review by the way says [TS]

  that we are terrible people for doing [TS]

  episode 166 so in time getting I'm [TS]

  getting mixed signals Jason me to Dan me [TS]

  too me too but Scott heat you and I ms [TS]

  williams in the chatroom like all that [TS]

  cat's got this nice Williams we know him [TS]

  well he gets extra points for first [TS]

  starting when really when the pockets [TS]

  actually began with the star wars [TS]

  episodes yep [TS]

  good job mr. Scott with the second pick [TS]

  in the incomparable episode draft is [TS]

  listener James hi this is James Kalin [TS]

  from Seattle Washington and i have been [TS]

  listening to the incomparable since just [TS]

  about the beginning and one of its great [TS]

  strength as podcast is that is a show [TS]

  for enthusiasts it's not that people are [TS]

  never critical or panelists never have [TS]

  anything negative to say about things [TS]

  but overall topics are chosen and [TS]

  discussed by people who enjoy them which [TS]

  is why episode 136 when they finally got [TS]

  around to tackling the first of the Star [TS]

  Wars prequels the Phantom Menace haha [TS]

  was so incredibly satisfying it's not [TS]

  that they habitually rip things a new [TS]

  one it's that after celebrating star [TS]

  wars all three of the original trilogy [TS]

  after celebrating so many other things [TS]

  they finally let go [TS]

  uncorked let her rip the ground floor is [TS]

  a good way they're giving t-that so many [TS]

  of them and so many of us have felt and [TS]

  thoroughly thoroughly have straight into [TS]

  the ground [TS]

  what I want every episode to be like [TS]

  this know what I like even a quarter of [TS]

  all episodes to be like this one [TS]

  no but when they are well done when they [TS]

  go like this [TS]

  it was a great moment thanks for a great [TS]

  show guys [TS]

  thank you listening James unabashed [TS]

  loading is really just another form of [TS]

  enthusiasm really this is true history [TS]

  of so you know we did this is you know [TS]

  that's our reward I think it's not much [TS]

  of a reward but that's our reward for [TS]

  watching episode 1 is it's the second [TS]

  pic episode draft [TS]

  wow yeah okay I'm we have a couple of [TS]

  unorthodox pics coming [TS]

  our next pick is from from listener Jeff [TS]

  hey gang this is jeff in lancaster [TS]

  pennsylvania and I'll take favorite [TS]

  podcast episodes for a pink piece of pie [TS]

  yes general listeners i'm talking about [TS]

  the trivial pursuit episode will he or [TS]

  after dark episode 4 49 if you happen to [TS]

  be playing the genus 2 addition the [TS]

  whole time i was listening to the [TS]

  podcast when I wasn't screaming oh come [TS]

  on when a player didn't know what I [TS]

  thought was a pretty obvious answer i [TS]

  was trying to figure out how I could put [TS]

  together a similar online game of [TS]

  Trivial Pursuit with my own friends in [TS]

  short it was the most fun of him [TS]

  listening to a podcast in quite some [TS]

  time [TS]

  happy 200 episodes to the entire and [TS]

  comparable family [TS]

  we're all looking forward to another 200 [TS]

  great shows thanks guys [TS]

  another 200 shares implying that test [TS]

  first you wanted were all great which i [TS]

  might questionable leecher totally sure [TS]

  with the possible exception of the one [TS]

  that he likes that would say that's [TS]

  probably pretty and she's having [TS]

  conducted in the 200 it's it's like I [TS]

  you know that phrase i hope you had as [TS]

  much fun listening as we had creating it [TS]

  I i think is that the the motto of total [TS]

  party kale yeah yeah I'll i enjoyed the [TS]

  first like eight hours of that trivial [TS]

  pursuit game it was only at the end [TS]

  there [TS]

  it sucked my will to live away that [TS]

  episode was great because I want nothing [TS]

  more games which i win faster Monty [TS]

  that's my feedback to you went faster [TS]

  this is how his wizard dies out of [TS]

  curiosity is is we've eubanks still with [TS]

  us we view bank will always be with us [TS]

  uh-huh but is she dead or alive i think [TS]

  that would like died i recreate i'm [TS]

  happy to hear that because I Wow his [TS]

  presence in that episode made me angry [TS]

  i'm sorry we re well he's dead he [TS]

  doesn't care now [TS]

  yeah alright so that that was our third [TS]

  pic was actually not an episode at all [TS]

  but after dark and a and a total party [TS]

  kill spin-off episode 2 that's obscure [TS]

  that seed catalog right there [TS]

  here here at this this next one is from [TS]

  mark my list listen Joe we may also know [TS]

  him as Joe steel and he has another [TS]

  unorthodox choice [TS]

  I'm generation steal my draft pick is [TS]

  after 423 which contains the bits cut [TS]

  out of the comfortable 173 Santa base [TS]

  Christmas if you cannot let this episode [TS]

  or the after dark I have two words for [TS]

  you [TS]

  human centipede mentally spicy edited [TS]

  bits back into the episode like a [TS]

  podcast sent me to the mind and you'll [TS]

  hear the dark brilliance of the [TS]

  incomparable panelists Phil's Richard [TS]

  Burton is enough to make anyone ask for [TS]

  an incomparable old movie club about [TS]

  who's afraid of virginia woolf David [TS]

  lures Elmo exclaiming no mr. noodle the [TS]

  barrel goes in your mouth to make anyone [TS]

  laugh into the correct the edible [TS]

  discussion surrounding I saw Mommy [TS]

  Kissing Santa Claus is precisely what [TS]

  people should think about during the [TS]

  holidays in crafting Steve's theory that [TS]

  song is sung by a middle-aged hand with [TS]

  tears and mascara running down his face [TS]

  send you to another man tied to a chair [TS]

  if it brings up the human centipede but [TS]

  it's later on and Lisa brings it up as a [TS]

  metaphor for a Christmas song the panel [TS]

  break seriously you can hear him [TS]

  collapse is my favorite moment from any [TS]

  uncomfortable episode and why I selected [TS]

  for the draft are that man [TS]

  I'm Whitney jail oh man alright guys i [TS]

  know i can remember exactly where I was [TS]

  and what I was feeling when I collapsed [TS]

  into we've been measuring your outline [TS]

  on the floor of your garage from that [TS]

  episode you know the tears the tears and [TS]

  mascara running down my face won't wait [TS]

  yeah yeah okay this is why he's forced [TS]

  to be in the garage is recorded yeah [TS]

  yeah that was that one that one happened [TS]

  when I was still in the in the in the [TS]

  house proper and that was I think the [TS]

  last one members look at the garage [TS]

  taken outside to get outside [TS]

  I was endangered making the entire house [TS]

  screaming with laughter good and I can [TS]

  to keep hitting mute button just come [TS]

  when I was a good one and that was the [TS]

  episode that also we i we were recording [TS]

  it like literally I think the day before [TS]

  it was supposed to come out we had the [TS]

  tough so I i needed to be a really tight [TS]

  episode that didn't require any editing [TS]

  and it was the most everything I've done [TS]

  for any episode [TS]

  yeah the the unedited version is [TS]

  available i'll put a link in the show [TS]

  notes as a as a bonus track now you can [TS]

  actually just listen to the whole [TS]

  ridiculous thing is it as it unfolded if [TS]

  you are a glutton for punishment [TS]

  I don't think I want to relive behind [TS]

  know maybe at the holidays if I'm [TS]

  feeling really angry [TS]

  that's a great episode that's even [TS]

  better after dark i'm right with you Joe [TS]

  alright so our 50 i should say these [TS]

  them i had them give it give me three [TS]

  choices because I knew people we're [TS]

  going to cover up other people's pics so [TS]

  these are literally the first person who [TS]

  came out of the random number generator [TS]

  and picked an episode got it [TS]

  nobody else picked the human centipede [TS]

  after dark those a good job Joe steel [TS]

  rosenstiel by the way totally fake name [TS]

  not a real name can't be a real name [TS]

  fake fake fake clearly fake listener [TS]

  Seth is next here he goes [TS]

  hi there I'm Seth from the pavement [TS]

  founders podcast for my selection i went [TS]

  with episode 99 convenience store clerk [TS]

  of do in the summer reading list [TS]

  really though I could have gone with any [TS]

  of the reading list episodes because i [TS]

  love all of them one of the great things [TS]

  about the incomparable of course is the [TS]

  rotating panel of guests and in the [TS]

  reading list episodes in particular this [TS]

  is a real asset because the types of [TS]

  recommendations you get can vary from [TS]

  episode to episode [TS]

  and they're almost always good one of [TS]

  the other things i like is that the [TS]

  panelists are not afraid to recommend a [TS]

  book and also recommend not reading [TS]

  follow-up books in the series [TS]

  this has the effect of keeping one's [TS]

  reading list manageable [TS]

  well of course the rest of the episode [TS]

  makes a reading list completely [TS]

  unmanageable it's a first-world problem [TS]

  and I thank you very much for [TS]

  contributing to it all right very nice [TS]

  another melty related thing and he's not [TS]

  here to get the education but I love [TS]

  those reading list episodes because it's [TS]

  just like we're bringing out a load of [TS]

  stuff and dumping it down and then [TS]

  people on Twitter you generally say oh [TS]

  my god now i have so many books to read [TS]

  but that's the idea that was like the [TS]

  original and comfortable episode [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs episode one was really [TS]

  good one is basically a reading list [TS]

  yeah yeah it's just a whole giant load [TS]

  of books [TS]

  yeah that's true we didn't know what we [TS]

  were doing that it did not like I had a [TS]

  theme we just kind of made it up as we [TS]

  went along people like it we do book [TS]

  episodes [TS]

  yeah definitely had no idea of tweets [TS]

  where people say I just finished reading [TS]

  such and such because I heard it on the [TS]

  incomparable yeah and the list are so [TS]

  long that often those come like a year [TS]

  after we picked it did we [TS]

  alright many thousands of years ago I [TS]

  alright listener listener karen is next [TS]

  hello and comfortable listeners my name [TS]

  is Keeley i'm a college professor and [TS]

  because i'm from ireland I also sell [TS]

  beautiful pine furniture one of my [TS]

  favorite and complex is episode 59 [TS]

  flitting is in this is the companion [TS]

  episode to what I think is the earliest [TS]

  draft show the panelists start having [TS]

  already drafted a roster of TV [TS]

  characters in the previous episode and [TS]

  are charged with pitching them as a new [TS]

  show the pictures are great [TS]

  everyone is in good form and the [TS]

  material ranges from the merely weird to [TS]

  the definitely misguided to the [TS]

  certifiably insane to you the most [TS]

  memorable effort by far i think is [TS]

  undoubtedly John Syracuse's virtuoso [TS]

  repurposing of a motley group of [TS]

  characters with the goal in his own [TS]

  words of reanimating the corpse of a [TS]

  much-loved series that died much too [TS]

  soon [TS]

  ah he got it John he figured it out he [TS]

  figured out you were doing all right [TS]

  here hearing his voice and his actual [TS]

  accent I think that I think that episode [TS]

  really made that draft shine where we [TS]

  had to actually take those characters [TS]

  and assemble them into something a lot [TS]

  of the feedback about drafts is that we [TS]

  don't do anything [TS]

  with things we assemble we just say yeah [TS]

  there's a list and then we walk away and [TS]

  i think that was our feedback when you [TS]

  start doing dressage to Jason was the [TS]

  point at the end we just have these yes [TS]

  you like no that's how dress work yeah [TS]

  that's it [TS]

  the team's team strap players and then [TS]

  they never play and that's what I space [TS]

  exactly that's what we could do that [TS]

  technically that was the second draft [TS]

  the first one being the canceled shows [TS]

  draft if i'm not mistaken correct [TS]

  I think you want to write good good [TS]

  knowledge contribute their yeah I'm good [TS]

  that way I wasn't actually on that one [TS]

  so I've only heard rumors travel trivia [TS]

  show would not do it you know the arm if [TS]

  it was a trivia show about Merlin man's [TS]

  podcast you would win now John I would [TS]

  do very well yeah yeah okay master of [TS]

  Canada the next the next is listed Brian [TS]

  who actually was on like four episodes [TS]

  of the TV podcast the last couple of [TS]

  months our buddy prime hamilton and this [TS]

  is a pic that I expected to come sooner [TS]

  quite frankly my favorite thing about [TS]

  the incomparables always been that you [TS]

  know just from listening you could tell [TS]

  how much everyone involved loves what [TS]

  they do on the show you can hang out [TS]

  with these people for a few hours and [TS]

  just listen to them talk about the [TS]

  things that they really love and it's so [TS]

  obvious that they love them so much and [TS]

  for me there's never been a higher point [TS]

  for that kind of palpable love for each [TS]

  culture than the radio show episode I [TS]

  remember listening to it april fools [TS]

  last year after a really really late [TS]

  night trip from New York to Boston i [TS]

  downloaded it i played it I had no idea [TS]

  what I was getting into because it [TS]

  starts off with that fake out what [TS]

  you're listening to be incomparable [TS]

  we're going to talk about radio static [TS]

  and then everything changes and the [TS]

  description for the episode was how much [TS]

  do we love radio dramas this much all of [TS]

  the references that are thrown in there [TS]

  to not only you know geek culture but to [TS]

  the show itself [TS]

  I thought it was the pinnacle of [TS]

  everything being comparable means to me [TS]

  and what it means to really love this [TS]

  world of geek culture that we're all in [TS]

  good job David because of shop guys [TS]

  we're done never topic that was the [TS]

  painting again one more for safety [TS]

  what's that no don't start it [TS]

  so did he tragically died before you [TS]

  heard the second radio show or that only [TS]

  just wasn't as good as ability his first [TS]

  he's looking backwards and tall downhill [TS]

  from there the other marlin and then you [TS]

  did basically the same joke and it's [TS]

  okay i guess thanks for the show haha [TS]

  it's never the same as the first time [TS]

  you hear a fake radio drama i think [TS]

  that's the lesson and creamier Jays have [TS]

  a little work thing with the christmas [TS]

  one you know you kind of knew what it [TS]

  was gonna be but yeah I the fake-out i [TS]

  mean i still love listening to that [TS]

  moment where you know it's possible [TS]

  so ya know I can't imagine it was weird [TS]

  because I recorded that you know by [TS]

  myself and it was like trying to pretend [TS]

  that I was on a podcast even though [TS]

  there were no guests and I think coming [TS]

  out of it I actually talked to Scott who [TS]

  isn't there and he's weird [TS]

  that was weird what's the most you've [TS]

  ever talked to get an idea like that so [TS]

  we'll never hear is the one where Scott [TS]

  cool but if he doesn't say much it so [TS]

  you know now he has a whole podcast [TS]

  where he has to talk because you know he [TS]

  can't hide its it's just him and one [TS]

  other person so all right we're up to [TS]

  listener dong [TS]

  hello I'm from Austin Texas for mine [TS]

  comfortable draft i selected episode 46 [TS]

  I like my coffee like my evil sith lords [TS]

  and the commanding episode death star [TS]

  university you don't get to you don't [TS]

  get too by the way this episode [TS]

  originally aired in jun 2011 and [TS]

  features jason scott siracusa Greg and [TS]

  Dan speaking about the geek movie of all [TS]

  keep movies star wars in many ways this [TS]

  episode isn't particularly insightful [TS]

  groundbreaking but i did not only as a [TS]

  grad the papers i grew up not having not [TS]

  known star wars listening to him speak [TS]

  about it was like sitting around with [TS]

  some friends reminiscing [TS]

  oh and Scott's a bad man for those of [TS]

  you out there are newer listeners [TS]

  feeling comfortable i recommend going [TS]

  back to listen to it if you haven't [TS]

  already [TS]

  it's one of those podcast episodes that [TS]

  can be listened to repeatedly another [TS]

  gem is that it also reveals that were [TS]

  jumping comfortable as a title for the [TS]

  show I leave it to you to check out [TS]

  thanks a lot for good episode guys okay [TS]

  you know technically again don't only [TS]

  picked up some 46 you can only pick one [TS]

  episode he tried to sneaky sneaky there [TS]

  and pick two and let's go one still on [TS]

  the board I don't know [TS]

  Oliver why he wants two episodes that [TS]

  are not groundbreaking particularly more [TS]

  insightful yeah the other insightful [TS]

  things are better yeah as a southpaw [TS]

  have to say I understand i recognize a [TS]

  left-handed insult great grip Greg this [TS]

  is your chance to say things about how [TS]

  Star Wars is better than the Empire [TS]

  Strikes pick the best star where area [TS]

  alright I Eric I swear there's some more [TS]

  reason once in here that you've actually [TS]

  event will get there but you know I have [TS]

  no control it's the listeners they're [TS]

  doing that that's why listen Joey Joey [TS]

  sent this end also old hi my name is [TS]

  Joey Drew's and i'm from Robertsdale [TS]

  Alabama I chose episode 58 of the [TS]

  incomparable which was the TV fantasy [TS]

  draft and this is the now infamous [TS]

  episode where Steve lots traffic [TS]

  Skeletor yeah infamous and I chose this [TS]

  episode because i was grocery shopping [TS]

  at walmart while listening to and I was [TS]

  laughing so hard that i had to brace [TS]

  myself against an aisle by and just [TS]

  thought i was absolutely crazy or you [TS]

  can see that in walmart every day and [TS]

  that's really saying something [TS]

  in walmart haha totally snake to Greg oh [TS]

  man a going to is that valid because [TS]

  that was is its moments not episodes now [TS]

  he you know he chose he gets 58 he gets [TS]

  episode 58 and it includes the Skeletor [TS]

  moment which you know really [TS]

  there's other stuff that happens in that [TS]

  every third episode has the Skeletor [TS]

  moment [TS]

  yeah there are many Skeletor moments to [TS]

  choose from thats related that's a good [TS]

  point that's a great threat [TS]

  okay I think we've all had those moments [TS]

  I I certainly had those moments waiting [TS]

  at the bus stop where I'm listening to a [TS]

  funny podcast and I start to laugh and I [TS]

  realized the people around me think that [TS]

  I am a having a seizure right now [TS]

  because this isn't that funny [TS]

  podcasts are kind of see here yeah that [TS]

  is the seizure you listen to [TS]

  with people from talking to you on the [TS]

  bus yeah that's true [TS]

  alright so good job Steve good job right [TS]

  didn't first lately that was like a [TS]

  hundred and forty two episodes ago uh I [TS]

  feel like I still get another year of [TS]

  mileage out of skeleton is gonna see a [TS]

  little trend in this [TS]

  yeah i've picked most little friend are [TS]

  you not in any of these observed that [TS]

  little be correct [TS]

  well we know you remote radio drama in [TS]

  your dad any episodes period or 1100 [TS]

  insulted radio drama Glenn Glenn are you [TS]

  just fishing for us to point out that [TS]

  the TV draft is your idea yet again [TS]

  that's true [TS]

  thank you i was that's true and then you [TS]

  didn't show up that one backfired [TS]

  yeah alright very handsome man glenn a [TS]

  lot of people like you here is here is [TS]

  listener Neil with another selection [TS]

  more and more and more current selection [TS]

  it's from the last 50 amazing so we [TS]

  haven't gone completely downhill [TS]

  you mean after the show went downhill [TS]

  yeah yeah it's hello my name is Neil [TS]

  partner i'm a fan of the incomparable [TS]

  living in san diego california who I [TS]

  picked for the upset draft is episode [TS]

  158 part 1 of the second movie festival [TS]

  it's an episode that really captures a [TS]

  lot of what i love about the show [TS]

  everyone on the panel sounds like [TS]

  they're having a blast recording this [TS]

  episode and that really comes through [TS]

  and listening to it each member of the [TS]

  panel approach the premise from a [TS]

  slightly different direction so there's [TS]

  real diversity in the choices I heard [TS]

  some really great discussion about [TS]

  movies I'd already seen and really [TS]

  really enjoy like sneakers i heard so [TS]

  really fascinating discussion of movies [TS]

  I'd heard a lot about but it never [TS]

  actually seen before like the taking of [TS]

  pelham 123 that compelled me to then go [TS]

  watch that movie a bomb plot i really [TS]

  enjoy her but for me the real at the [TS]

  real magic of the show is and [TS]

  particularly this episode that was [TS]

  hearing about something that was [TS]

  absolutely and the butter zone of my key [TS]

  for nineteen eighties action movies that [TS]

  some people would maybe call bad so [TS]

  hearing Monty actually talk about to [TS]

  kill until against which [TS]

  spiritual sequel to kill or be killed [TS]

  and then move into his discussion of the [TS]

  Miami action those movies just sounded [TS]

  absolutely amazing and i knew i had to [TS]

  seek them out your writing is butter [TS]

  zone Monty I have to go now but really [TS]

  it's an episode where I wished I could [TS]

  be on the panel and part of the [TS]

  discussion but at least being able to [TS]

  listen in was a real treat [TS]

  so thank you Jason for 200 amazing [TS]

  episodes they brought me many many hours [TS]

  of enjoyment and i'm always looking [TS]

  forward to hearing about what you can [TS]

  talk about next [TS]

  so keep up the great work and thank you [TS]

  again while the debt and thank you neil [TS]

  for for teaching me term butter zone [TS]

  with the explicit tag this episode now [TS]

  we're going to show up again [TS]

  yeah I'm trying really hard to come up [TS]

  with the definition for that that isn't [TS]

  filthy ok there's ok it's like it's like [TS]

  in your fridge door where there's that [TS]

  little compartment where you put it that [TS]

  the butter zone if that's your favorite [TS]

  zone and you spend a lot of time hanging [TS]

  out in the butter drawer then that makes [TS]

  a lot of sense [TS]

  30 man i'm trying to figure out why none [TS]

  of you have heard this term before that [TS]

  but i have if i can teach one person to [TS]

  love killing kill again in Miami [TS]

  connection [TS]

  you've done your job then there's no [TS]

  hope for Humanity done enough damage [TS]

  that's all right mr. dan is going way [TS]

  way back into the pass for our earliest [TS]

  selection so far [TS]

  hi jason this is dan worse or at nerd [TS]

  not is on twitter you PKA my fellow [TS]

  incomparable fans diehard episode also [TS]

  known as episode 17 is one of my [TS]

  favorites [TS]

  mainly because it helped me broaden my [TS]

  definition of holiday movies after i [TS]

  heard this episode back in December 2010 [TS]

  I immediately added die hard to my [TS]

  holiday watch list and later on i also [TS]

  added some others including gremlins [TS]

  which well it makes my family sometimes [TS]

  confused [TS]

  I love walking into that time of year [TS]

  another big reason for me is that [TS]

  episode 17 is sort of like the proto [TS]

  holiday vault because after the lengthy [TS]

  discussion on diehard it also broadens [TS]

  into a discussion of holiday movies in [TS]

  general covering 14 more movies before [TS]

  they finish up the episode i also enjoy [TS]

  that it's a it's a rare rated are [TS]

  incomparable episode it's it's fun to [TS]

  hear the guys totally unfiltered as [TS]

  opposed to having to wait for a and [TS]

  after dark [TS]

  i'm also a big fan of the draft episodes [TS]

  in general and as an early incomparable [TS]

  episode this serves as sort of a [TS]

  precursor to what we would later know is [TS]

  a kind of the standard draft episodes [TS]

  ultimately episode 17 leaves me with one [TS]

  major question did Jason ever get around [TS]

  to seeing home alone five hours of [TS]

  entertainment and here's to hundreds [TS]

  more i still haven't seen humming along [TS]

  jason hasn't seen no oh man you don't [TS]

  even know your own theme song then [TS]

  that's not a different thing John to a [TS]

  different reference [TS]

  yeah totally not play with Jace but the [TS]

  name of the game but it's not like 17 [TS]

  references a hundred hours of [TS]

  entertainment diehard yeah that was uh [TS]

  that was before we were on five by five [TS]

  and i just put a because because dan [TS]

  Benjamin doesn't like like swearing in [TS]

  the feet at all and for that episode I [TS]

  just putting on the yeah yeah so the so [TS]

  arm i put a little disclaimer on the [TS]

  front of it that said hey this is an [TS]

  r-rated movie and if you can't handle [TS]

  the salty language then don't listen if [TS]

  you've got people in around you you know [TS]

  just little disclaimer alternatively [TS]

  blasting as less as possible [TS]

  yeah except honestly cannot discuss die [TS]

  hard without swearing it's just not [TS]

  possibly can't do it you can dance [TS]

  around the pKa thing but no no discuss [TS]

  it properly you have to fully unleash [TS]

  the MF alright so we move on the better [TS]

  their most let's stop here there are [TS]

  more pics how many fans we have you [TS]

  never know what you might find under [TS]

  pick number 12 [TS]

  hello my name is Frank program a [TS]

  software developer from Seattle [TS]

  Washington and i would like to draft [TS]

  episode 67 Darth Vader's office is [TS]

  really weird [TS]

  this is a retelling of the Empire [TS]

  strikes back you're telling me you could [TS]

  reasonably have a review or anything [TS]

  like that because it really is you can [TS]

  shut your eyes [TS]

  sit back and have the uncomfortable crew [TS]

  scene-by-scene almost line-by-line tell [TS]

  you everything I know about the Empire [TS]

  striking back [TS]

  it's really screwed audio from the movie [TS]

  mixed in there are great lines my [TS]

  favorites from John Syracuse Oh saying I [TS]

  bet he's gonna use that force thing [TS]

  oh and they're opening is hilarious with [TS]

  everyone doing their impersonation of [TS]

  the imperial probe droid everyone's [TS]

  having fun it's hard not to have fun [TS]

  with them and for that reason episode 67 [TS]

  is my draft pick [TS]

  retailing better is a good way of saying [TS]

  it's longer than the movie i'm sort of [TS]

  creeped out by the way he listens to the [TS]

  podcast though eyes closed in his butter [TS]

  zone maybe has picked out by the way you [TS]

  do the podcast i could I and he should [TS]

  be [TS]

  yeah it's only right it's only fitting [TS]

  all right that was working as I I knew [TS]

  there would be a bunch of star wars [TS]

  episodes here it just had to be right [TS]

  that's what people always ask is that [TS]

  sweet is it right in that butter isn't [TS]

  it because it's not-it's in the butter [TS]

  zone is it a better run is a little [TS]

  butter that's a poet enters i did now I [TS]

  always wanted the podcast to skip Star [TS]

  Wars I wanted to do everything but not [TS]

  Star Wars just always have it be the [TS]

  elephant in the room that's never [TS]

  touched sorry getting started is wrong [TS]

  because they're really good episodes we [TS]

  touch we touch that able to put so much [TS]

  the element element like butter zone and [TS]

  perfect it's not in the butter zone so [TS]

  what so that's two star wars 20 star [TS]

  trek i think is the score right now yeah [TS]

  somewhere [TS]

  Scott McNulty is removing any stores [TS]

  actually there was an episode well [TS]

  episode one kind of steps subtract one [TS]

  from the starboard channel i was there [TS]

  any Star Trek in the TV graphs [TS]

  yeah in the character drafts there were [TS]

  star trek I I'm not to show that I [TS]

  created was essentially a cross between [TS]

  west wing and and Star Trek was the [TS]

  bridge you sick and where Captain Kirk [TS]

  has a wacky collection of people around [TS]

  alright let's go back in time with this [TS]

  pic from mr. Patrick one of my favorite [TS]

  episodes is episode 51 zombie Marmaduke [TS]

  about the 2011 human nominees i like it [TS]

  so much for three primary reasons first [TS]

  listening to the panel mr8 feed with so [TS]

  much Glee amuses me in a way that I'm a [TS]

  little ashamed to admit when you are on [TS]

  the board as I grow older I find myself [TS]

  with less and less time to read for [TS]

  pleasure hearing your thoughtful reviews [TS]

  of the nominees helps me to use that [TS]

  precious reading time to the fullest [TS]

  also listening to the panel compare and [TS]

  contrast year's nominees helps me to [TS]

  evaluate my own tastes in a new [TS]

  perspective the way of all good art [TS]

  criticism third and most importantly you [TS]

  introduced me to the hundred thousand [TS]

  kingdoms and the larger body of work by [TS]

  NK jemisin the hundred thousand kingdoms [TS]

  was asked left taking I haven't read a [TS]

  book that quickly since I was in Middle [TS]

  School I just couldn't put it down and [TS]

  then i read the next book in the series [TS]

  and since then the rest of her novels [TS]

  the the mythology she weaves is unique [TS]

  interesting and entertaining she writes [TS]

  about huge topics in a way that is easy [TS]

  to read [TS]

  thank you for bringing her to my [TS]

  attention and thank you also for letting [TS]

  to be to be a part of episode two [TS]

  hundred of my favorite podcast [TS]

  ah that's great that was a that you know [TS]

  that was an innocent time as you listen [TS]

  back we didn't realize that we'd be [TS]

  reading like three more books by the [TS]

  author of feed Scott my we would have [TS]

  had like a suicide pact if we had known [TS]

  and [TS]

  and [TS]

  dude she's returning to the feed [TS]

  universe after her brief foray into the [TS]

  other without she's writing anyway [TS]

  anyway that was that was a very good [TS]

  episode with a lot of lot of good books [TS]

  in it right Glenn you you remember that [TS]

  1i do last one of my favorite books 1 [TS]

  favorite new authors and to go read her [TS]

  next series because i only read the [TS]

  first three in that one cycle and she's [TS]

  got she's prolific hey this is all the [TS]

  way from South Africa is listener [TS]

  Etienne hi this is listening hmm from [TS]

  South Africa my favorite film of all [TS]

  time is the embossed tracks back that's [TS]

  why my favorite icomparable episode is [TS]

  number 68 Jedi weekend [TS]

  it's the second set everything to [TS]

  partner on Empire and it focuses on the [TS]

  phone from everywhere in the asteroid [TS]

  field through to the end [TS]

  what makes this episode special to me is [TS]

  not only my own appreciation for the [TS]

  film but the deep and fixtures passion [TS]

  for the material displayed by the four [TS]

  panelists Jason serenity John and then [TS]

  John and Danny in particular have a [TS]

  great rapport in this episode and a [TS]

  terrific i'm picking out my new detail [TS]

  as a bonus you get Dan doing a bunch of [TS]

  life sound effects to mean this is [TS]

  pretty much a platonic ideal of a great [TS]

  icomparable when the panelists seven [TS]

  obvious passion for the subject of [TS]

  discussion and then take the time to [TS]

  really pull it apart and appreciate it [TS]

  it is a fantastic episode and while i [TS]