19: Ant-Covered Candy Bar, with John Moltz
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it's getting time is getting close you
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can you feel it getting tired to to to
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put the Yankees logo up on daring
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fireball but always there baseball on
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last night there was a little baseball
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huh how'd that go it was the most
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exciting game i've ever seen i was
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worried that you say that every year you
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know what though that really was i
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mean--and and it was going to
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everybody's just gonna already just
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stopped listening to the show yeah we're
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gonna have to cut this out i don't know
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but what happened is that Alex Rodriguez
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the Yankee everybody loves to hate even
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Yankee fans Lofton who has been having a
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horrendous slump in the postseason was
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due up with his team down the Yankees
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down by one run with one out in the
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ninth inning when when Rodriguez was due
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up and he didn't come out of the dugout
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and I saw somebody else i really had
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this moment where I thought am I having
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a stroke because it didn't make any
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sense like I was already to be sick
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watching alex rodriguez has been
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striking out like he's been striking out
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like Bugs Bunny like two times Pratt
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that I like he'll get six strikes and
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then all the sudden two outs and one
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that because he struck out twice
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I'm sick about it because he's here is
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up with one out and he's been striking
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out it that every time is up
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he doesn't come out of the dugout and I
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i I'd I really thought maybe I was
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having a stroke or something or maybe
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the game maybe the game at the bar maybe
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they had it on like a tivo or something
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and and somebody back back there that
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rebounded or something can't believe it
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didn't understand it you know my fear
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people people often ask about you is how
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how you could be a fan of the yankees
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and the cowboys and also be a fan or you
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know perennial winners and also be a fan
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of apple for years when Apple was down
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in the dumps and I figured this out
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years ago is that the reason the reason
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that your fans of all these
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organizations is not because they're
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winners or losers as it's because that
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you get into more arguments by being
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organizations yeah how does my wife put
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my wife puts it that I'm drawn to the
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teams that their lightning rods I guess
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something like that she's a good way of
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putting it that now some some kind of
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curse words 20 is gonna say there must
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be an event there's an F there's an F
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ok now I've told this story before i
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believe on the show but it was probably
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a long time ago so you can always repeat
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it I that it used to be in the early
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years and I've always done this is is
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daring fireball when the Yankees get
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into the by the time they get to the
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second round of the postseason League
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Championship Series if they're still in
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it then I change the logo on daring
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fireball the yankees logo and in the
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first half of the decade of writing
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daring fireball that the emails i used
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to get were I can't believe you're a
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why aren't and like Apple you should why
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don't you like Microsoft right the
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Yankees equal microsoft friend can
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please so it does it did not compute
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now though the last couple of years when
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i put it up the emails I get our course
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your you think I'm spending a lot of
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Apple you asshole right again to me see
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and I see it like you do like it's not
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necessarily about the winning it's about
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the like I'm i was a yankees fan all
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through the eighties when the Yankees
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where that was like did that like what
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the nineties word Apple it was it was a
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dry period you know right you know
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famously the great Don Mattingly
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fantastic ballplayer of my childhood for
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the Yankees never never won a postseason
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game was a long long dry stretch for the
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Yankees but i still like them it was it
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was the appeal was still there so you
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feel you have suffered how definitely i
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suffer I mean I i would say the three
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years with the two years we've gone but
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since the last World Series have been
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that's your suffering
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yeah we didn't notice we have no i don't
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and we don't we don't get out of the
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first or did we go to the league
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championship and 2010 we might have no
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Texas Peterson 2010 and then
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Detroit beat us last year try being a
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mariner span i do I feel bad for you
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guys you got Ichiro you got to be
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rooting for you gotta be made you know i
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use and i know i'm not running for the
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Yankees but i do root for eternal so you
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want the yankees lose the teacher to go
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like 44 exactly did you see the play he
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made the other day where he danced
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really they call it like the matrix
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where there is that he got thrown out at
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home what is the what is the baseline
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what is the baseline rule there though I
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mean I don't know it seems like healing
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I mean he didn't go like ridiculously
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far out of the baseline but he sure went
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out of the base that have but this is
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jason i don't know if i'm not quite sure
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how that works with the running out of
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it was pretty it was a pretty amazing
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piece of acrobatics though and it also
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reminds you of of how baseball is
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fundamentally almost like like the
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basics of it are like a children's game
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I mean they're gonna literally downsize
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your you're safe if you're touching this
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thing but if you're not touching it in
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your tag by the ball you're out it's
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like a children's game in some way
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friend and that play at home plate with
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this was exactly like it ya like a
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playground plays I dancing around home
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plate yeah well you may have may not
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have seen like some of the highlights
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and it's particularly when he started
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here they were showing they showed a lot
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of highlights of stuff that he did in
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Japan and there was one there was one
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pitch that literally hit the dirt in
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front of the mound and bounced up and it
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I mean it was ridiculous and it because
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it hit even home groundwork for the
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ground in front of home plate bounced up
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yeah he does he's like a trick shot
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straight out of artists and they say
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they were saying on the one was it
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TV or radio but any one of the Yankee
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broadcast they were saying that the
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other day that like the most
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entertaining thing to do before the game
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is watch Ichiro do batting practice and
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that Jeter often just sits there and
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right before each pitch like you know
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like a fraction of a second before the
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guy throwing batting practice throws the
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pitch Jeter will say short right and
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they'll hit to wear Jeter said he'll go
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deep left and he'll pull it or push it
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to deep left up the middle and hits one
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up that he just is like a trickshot
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now you see the article link to about
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the way he takes care of his bats
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yeah i had seen that yeah i mean i've
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seen that before it reminds me the thing
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that came to mind is to me like cinema
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center of mitosis cinematically is that
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it's he seems like quentin tarantino's
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envisioning of a baseball player
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yeah right like the way Tarantino knows
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how to properly fetishize a samurai
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sword like that's the way
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Ichiro takes care of his bat
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except i guess in the tarantino version
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there'd be a barefoot woman running her
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feet on the bat stupid he's a little bit
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he's a little reclusive teacher oh yeah
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yeah i mean i'd like to know I'd like to
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know more about like its day-to-day life
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alright one last thing on the baseball
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here is that ok so you're you're you're
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good good true American yankee hater and
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you're also gotta be said that yes
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you've got to be an a-rod hater
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yeah so how do you feel about last
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Oh actually so that yeah i mean that's
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pretty good its conflict that's that's
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yeah and then the other thing is baniyas
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was also a mariner and right and a
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beloved mariner 4 years so you know from
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that for that regard it's that was nice
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does he does my it does my heart good to
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see to see a right go down in flames
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interesting but not a bond is in h0 no I
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said yeah right well those guys you left
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not much different terms everybody has
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suffered enough sports chocolates but
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yeah let's get the real sure let's talk
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about our kids now so it will windows 8
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is is imminent right it's coming this
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ya know to two weeks and we still we
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know pricing on on the surface which is
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supposed to come i believe on midnight
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on the twenty-ninth if i'm not mistaken
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I believe that is correct which is 18
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days I today I do you think they're
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taking a chance with the midnight thing
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like because the midnight thing it it it
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it it only works if you're going to have
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Apple's never done it they've never done
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the midnight thing but if they did you
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know people would be lined up
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I mean they do they get people lined up
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at midnight even when it's not coming
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out until nine in the morning
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yeah but like if you have like a
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midnight opening and there's like just
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kind of one comic book guy there you
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know I was thinking of going up to to
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see going up to seattle to you should do
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a local microsoft store to see what was
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going on but I so maybe I maybe it'll
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all be curious onlookers i think that
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the pressure that they're under is is
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I yeah really kind of in awe i'm a
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little detached from it right because
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it's like we're not invested in in
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microsoft and you know windows
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I mean I haven't used a windows machine
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even just to check my email or something
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in I don't know how long but I'm
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definitely intrigued by windows 8 I've
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you know we both written a lot about it
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this year but the thing I find more
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interesting is like that the story for
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the company and the how just how
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important this is for them and Al close
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to the wire they seem to be playing it
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its it's seems very weird to me that
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there's no pricing yet
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no pricing on the surface there i guess
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there is pressing for this winter's
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itself right there is pressing for
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windows 8 I forget what it is but and it
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is also it also seems to me to still be
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up in the air just exactly what the
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relationship is between surface tablets
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and the third party tablets that are
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going to be running the I guess exact
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same OS and one thing i noticed this
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week is probably popped up all over
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Philadelphia just sometime within the
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last sometime within the light this week
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on all the bus stop tomorrow almost all
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the bus stops I've seen both sides is
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surface ads and they're really nice
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yeah and the TV spot that they had was
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I didn't see the TV spot yeah the our
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pals at the loop that link to that
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believe who are pals at the loop
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oh that I thought you said I had I
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thought you said Dave Pell at the loop
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and i was like i love dave pelzer a lot
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to do that I didn't know they put the
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hell's he doing guide leave now so the
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loop has a I think surfing I can I can't
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remember but and there and they're good
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heads there but they definitely it
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definitely seems to me though that
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Microsoft is not soft-pedaling on the
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competition with their OEM providers you
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know I mean like they're not like it the
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surface is not just a gimmicky look
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we're just going to set the bar here and
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I guess what i should say it's not their
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nexus right like the Nexus phones at
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least where the Nexus phones are these
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reference phones put out by Google and
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nobody really buys them they're not big
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selling devices they're just sort of
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like here's a reference device for the
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new version of android now you go make
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the ones that are going to sell and big
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numbers it's not like that like this is
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something that Microsoft really intends
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to to really sell like I think Microsoft
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has already done more advertising for
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the surface than google has done for
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nexus and bomber was in I think there
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was an interview with bomber with maybe
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some investors yesterday that came out
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and he was talking about how this is
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really a fundamental change in how they
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yeah and his his letter do the
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shareholders this year sort of that
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didn't even really hint at it but but
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strongly suggested that they're going to
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take more of a more of this approach as
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time goes on you know which i think it
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is really existing it is interesting
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it's hard to see how that works out any
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better than when Apple was licensing the
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mac OS right because I kind of think
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that you've got you can't have your cake
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yeah I mean and you know it may be the
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the amount of evidence over the last you
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know the two decades of the industry is
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too little and it's it's not it's not
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wise to draw conclusions from a small
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sampling size of companies that have
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attempted this but it seems to me that
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the evidence suggests that you should
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make a choice you either going to do it
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the Apple way and do your own OS that
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you use on your own devices and do
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everything yourself or do it the old
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microsoft way were you just license this
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OS or that you know like Android and you
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can debate the fact that Google doesn't
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seem to have made any money on android
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yet but it has certainly been successful
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in terms of getting people to use it by
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licensing it although I guess that with
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the nexus they're sort of towing the
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other line but they don't make any money
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on that right whereas microsoft is
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seemingly the whole point of surfaces
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that they want to get they want money
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they want to make you know they see how
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much money apple is taking from pc sales
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with the ipad yeah they want in on that
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there yeah they seem to be very open
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about saying we're going to be doing
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business more like Apple does business
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in the future right that's sort of that
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without mentioning apple that seemed to
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yeah what Ballmer said in the the letter
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to the shareholders it was the was the
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verge that had the link to the windows a
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tad just think of the loop heads the
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link to apple's ipod gotcha what we
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should talk about that too
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yeah i saw that ad at the apple event
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right you know what it reminded me of it
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reminded me in a good way of the classic
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one of my all-time favorite apple ads
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it's a classic from like 99 or so it was
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when they had the colored imax CRT ones
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yeah and it was the rolling stones she
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yeah remember that ad yeah yeah vividly
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good song and the animation was just
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like hypnotic because it was the that
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like infinite white background of you
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know the the whatever that universe is
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where Volkswagens and
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Apple computers live and just this is
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endless stream of imax shooting on top
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yeah I always thought like you could do
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an alternate version was kinda funny
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it's kind of a powered angry they did
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that and watch them smash on the ground
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yeah I guess it's not really a throwback
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is the ipod ads have sort of
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consistently been like that
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yeah i think so every time they don't
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have generation of them that's about
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like a a five different colors to choose
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yeah they don't really do a lot of ipod
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advertising anymore they used to do a
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lot more well obviously was much bigger
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deal and it seems like this is enough of
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a change to the lineup that they feel
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like okay we should do we should promote
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yeah because people you know we want
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people should know that they you might
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want to think about going out and
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updating their ipods now right
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so you said I will have that in the show
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notes i will at least I will endeavor to
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have all these ads in the show notes so
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the verge had the surface TV and but no
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no pricing 18 days I would love to know
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what the thinking is on that is that is
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the thinking that they really don't know
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yet is the thinking that it if they
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don't know or they can't say or they're
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still under pressure like that there's
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that they have this like let's say
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let's say 399 in mind and their hearing
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from these OEMs that are just screaming
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at them that we do not you can't sell
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this thing for 399 because we're selling
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this thing for our thing for 499 599
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yeah you can't do this to us where you
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know and that they're so there's
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internal pressure that there's people in
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Microsoft saying look we gotta raise the
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price on this to make it more you know
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put more in line that or is it that I
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could see it that way the other way I
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could see it is that they they have a
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low price in mind or wrote you know not
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like radically lo not like crazy low i
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don't think but they have a low price in
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mind and they wanted to save it for the
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last minute as a big surprise because
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I think that that's the thing you they
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better have a relatively low
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price because at this point if they come
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out with something that's not it's gonna
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be it's gonna be like not gonna be good
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it's the needle on the record coming huh
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I it's fascinating to me and and it's to
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it's fascinating to approach the
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partially just cause it's so not know
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and it's all so unpredictable right and
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in apple product announcement or
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releases are have become very
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predictable and maybe in a way that
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makes them less exciting to talk about
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but like the way that the everything
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about the way that the iphone 5 came out
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was exactly what everybody thought that
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there is a big line of dirty hippies
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outside the New York apples fifth avenue
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apple store and they sold you know a
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million or two more than last year's and
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by Monday you had to wait to get one
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because they were a little bit
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constrained and by Tuesday everybody had
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found one nitpicky thing to complain
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about and every Thursday it was a you
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know right Consumer Reports wrote
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something really is a bit about its yeah
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everything was you know right that you
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could have written it all we could have
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written is all in advance and just
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really we would have been we would have
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been like hey we got it all right
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the new one comes out sales of pcs jump
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in that quarter lots of people buy it
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about you know which pcs don't qualify
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or whatever like then and you know
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nacelles 260 million copies in a year
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that event was that they previewed
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iTunes 11 even though it's not coming
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out until I think they said november but
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it's i thought i saw this morning and I
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don't know about that but I thought they
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had said I thought they had said I well
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there's still no developer beta usually
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new versions of itunes there's a beta
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available to registered I guess even iOS
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developers to because of the you know
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the way that you do stuff you know with
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iOS devices through itunes still no beta
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I mean the windows version of itunes a
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lot of that they're not dropping that
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and you need it running like because
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they're still selling all these new
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ipods and ipods don't have Wi-Fi there's
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no iCloud can't do itunes match with
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with an ipod nano or a mini know so you
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still need itunes so i presume that
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they're getting iTunes 11 and you know
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it is a it's a totally new interface it
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the famed in a long-awaited total
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rewrite of itunes I mean whether it's
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rewritten under the hood or not who
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knows but the interface certainly is and
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how much more work was that for them to
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do that for windows again everybody's
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always you know that the apples windows
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software is it never made people happy I
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mean I've never heard anybody use
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windows and says you know what I love I
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love itunes right Amelia and I think it
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seems like they've stopped developing
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right they've decided we forgotten that
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chrome has taken chrome is done anything
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everything that at that safari for
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windows was ever imagined to do just to
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be a fast modern WebKit windows browser
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you know I don't add I think safari for
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windows was really a another crickets
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chirping the type thing
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yeah so i'm really curious about Windows
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the windows version of itunes 11 and the
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other thing too is I presume but
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nobody's said anything weird
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that they're just going to ignore the
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whole metro thing that it's going to be
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a desktop app and it will only run on
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the intelligent was eight and then I
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wouldn't know any of these you know
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something like the surface the first
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surface the one that's running on arm
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and uses the windows RT there will be no
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items for that because I guess you know
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I guess the logic behind that is that I
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get a windows like something like the
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the armed version of surface is like
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another rival post-pc device not a pc
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that it's not something that you're
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going to sync your ipod ipod to that the
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assumption is going to be that everybody
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advising ipod will still have a real pc
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but it's you know nobody I I don't
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haven't seen anybody answer that
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yeah that's a weird that's a whole weird
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area because Microsoft of course is
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shipping full versions of office for
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that right and Microsoft really low so
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to a certain degree it still is a
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however it's going to really play out in
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reality with real people
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the microsoft intention clearly is that
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no matter what type of windows 8 machine
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you're running into her arm
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whichever version they want you using
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and they think they're going to like
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using metro and that the desktop is you
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know it's sort of like their version of
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classic it's a thing you're going to go
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to for compatibility with old software
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is that it was that what are you sure
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about that that's what they intend I
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don't know because I don't know that
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I've seen that really expressly said
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because they're still we know when they
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mean they're make that the version of
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office is really more of a desktop i
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have a gas station and I don't know I
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yeah maybe I was it that it's not really
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metro it's not really maybe I'm
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exaggerating maybe i'm wrong about that
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seems yeah cuz i think it seems like i'm
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in there their whole thing is that no it
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does everything and it you know we're
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not in a post-pc world because you have
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your pc that you like something so like
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maybe something like let's say auto cat
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there they're not pitching autocad on
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rather they're saying you know that's a
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that's true desktop app and now you know
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right well maybe I don't know but is it
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gonna seem weird though it's like for
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consumers that the consumers or if there
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is expected to stay in Metro most of the
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time that iTunes 11 will only run in the
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desktop mode i think the whole thing is
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we had personally I mean I just don't
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get it I don't get the I it doesn't seem
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like I if you could set the whole thing
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up so that it it very somehow switches
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modes so that you had metro on your
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tablet and then when you used it as a
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desktop it went back to the desktop and
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everything ran that way it make it would
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make more sense to me but the fact that
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you tell me you saw that video from the
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verge of you have tried to use trying
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trying to set the screen resolution
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right or trying to switch orientation
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this is just a nightmare because he had
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to go on a tablet into the desktop to
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just change the screen resolution and it
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was it was treaty candidates it was
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didn't have to do it to change the
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rotation to do something every day I
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think it was they think maybe it was the
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the rage that like I guess with metro it
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will rotate as you rotate the device but
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the desktop won't i don't know something
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like I don't have an MC were frequent
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frequent talk show guest and and friend
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of a friend of the show as he was a
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disability tweeted the other day he's
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just gone on the record and said he's
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predicts this whole windows 8 things
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going to add a shitshow I think he said
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shit show you know he i think that's
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exactly what he said I don't know though
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I don't know I I can see it that way but
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it's it's it it it's like I almost
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refused to believe that it could be is
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confusing and convoluted as as it seems
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to my eyes that it's going to be the
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other thing that it seems clear as we
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get closer to their release and as i
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watch sites like the Virgin and gadget
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which get all these things
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I saw one of them i forget again I think
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it was the bird had a little like
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preview review of a couple windows 8
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tablet and it seems like they're all all
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of them it seems are going with this
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it's it's a tablet it's a netbook it's
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both you know that it ships with raid
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keyboard and some kind of docking
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mechanism and you undock to use it as a
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tablet and and docket and then it's a
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it's a it's a netbook so little notebook
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with a keyboard that they're all they're
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all going in that direction nobody's
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really going like that i don't think so
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far purer just it is just a tablet
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mhm and there is a lot of them really
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seemed it seems like all the reviews are
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talking you know that they say that this
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is convenient but it seems like they're
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really kind of guys i call it grading on
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a curve and then they all say like in
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the next sentence that it's like really
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hard to get in and out or one of them I
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swear one of the reviews head it feels
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like you're going to break it when you
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have to take it apart when you pull it
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apart right but just just give it a
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little bit of force and it doesn't it
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doesn't actually break like that's not
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good when it feels to the black when
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they write that feels like you're
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it really seems like a problem and the
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pricing is not know you had his piece on
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this was yesterday today and really just
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so yeah but yesterday about this
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yeah I was yesterday and it's just I
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don't know I mean it's a was its said
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yeah and you said competitive with what
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that's when they always say that and I
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noticed that you didn't I don't think
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you quite mentioned it but it seems like
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everybody entering this these with these
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touchscreen things they always say their
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prices are going to be competitive
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well they don't want to see right
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competing with they want to mention they
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want to mention the ipad but like you
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said it's what was it so it's like 799
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or something like that
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ok so the tablet starts at six hundred
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and with the keyboard it's 750 right and
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that's not competitive with the iPad
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because the ipad starts it instead
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well it's a 32 gig so it's so it is
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great it's technically the same price as
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the ipad but when you've read about it
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it's it's all plastic and this is one of
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the things we're it sounds like it's
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going to break when you try and get in
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and out of the well and the other thing
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too that a lot of them seem to be doing
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is starting at 32 gigs and and maybe
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price being price comparable with 32
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gigabyte ipad but i don't know that
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that's quite competitive if you don't
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have something at the 399 price level as
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the the ipad 2 that's only I know only
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16 gigabytes it's not quite fair but it
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is true though that the Apple can say
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you can come in and get one for 3 99 and
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I do think I you know I i think that's a
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huge I I think that's been a huge part
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of apples pricing strategy ever since
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the ipods went to multiple storage
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capacities is that they price one with
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two little storage at in a at at some
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sort of price level that breaks a
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psychological barrier like 199 so it's
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under 200 bucks and then people come in
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the store and they're like well I'm
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going to spend 199 m as well get the one
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with 32 gigs because it's gonna you know
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I can fit on the music on
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like I really do think that they say
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apple sells more 32-gigabyte iPads
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because of the 16 gigabyte ones at lower
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price points then they would if those 16
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gigabyte ones weren't even in the store
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i really do think that that's it's a
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significant boost to to type ipad sales
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yeah and I think everything works like
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that having cars work like that that you
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know there's always something i don't
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know i'm sure there's like a marketing
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name for it but there's there's
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something to that and I feel like the pc
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guys who are all starting at 32 and
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these 599 prices that that's a real
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it makes them look bad and I don't think
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that they're going to have on day one
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most of the apps that will have on day
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one are going to be desktop apps they're
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not going to be metro absolute you
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really aren't going to have the
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host of applications that you can get on
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an ipad on a metro and I'm yeah i mean
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on a metro device when it ships and
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Apple didn't have a lot when the ipad
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shipped they were able to do you know to
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the scaling up from iphone apps but that
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was then that was two-and-a-half years
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ago and it's a different world now so
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you're basically saying if you really
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want to run this thing and have a bunch
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of apps you write the keyboard so it's
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actually so it actually is a 750 dollar
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right plastic device in which case
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that's not competing with an ipad that's
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competing with a netbook remember
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netbooks it's like a word that is just
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not the guy come out to fix our our
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microwave and he had a netbook my shits
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but hey because he had to use it to to
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look up like PDFs of the repair the
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specifications that came from the
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microwave and vendors and it just looked
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it's running XP you know what those XP
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man oh man is that a hit i think they
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got so much mileage out of that I really
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do that it's ya back I mean that was
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absolutely peak microsoft everything
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that's really where the wheels and you
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know but but that really hurt that in
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the way yeah right and I mean the fact
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that it was such a hit and that eight
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right but like and I think that the
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initial netbook and the initial netbook
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way when everybody was netbook notebook
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netbook and people used to ask Apple you
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know don't you realize you're doomed
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without a net book which was not that
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big a hit but it was enough of a hit
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that it became like at least in the tech
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world category right it's so telling
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that what drove those netbooks the ones
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that actually did sell was XP which was
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like seven years old at that point and
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was not designed with those machines
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when it was created like XP shipping
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I think right around there and in 2001
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like the smallest pc notebook was you
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know by today's standards of brick or at
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least find quote-unquote netbook
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standards like a a real thick heavy
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brick again it's kind of telling that
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like Microsoft's only real foray into
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super lightweight stuff that nobody else
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was doing at the time was an OS that
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wasn't even designed for it
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yeah it somewhere else I wanted to go
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with that but maybe I should just take
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oh you know what I want to talk to after
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sponsor breakout I'll tell you i want to
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it's it's almost like a little mini
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video editing app like a like a
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super-simple iOS version of something
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and stuff that were more like a simple
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consumer version of I don't know after
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effects or something like that or
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photoshop it was originally released
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only for the ipad in June a lot of their
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users have asked for an iphone version
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and it is just out it is now out in the
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iOS any on itunes app store and it is
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even already enhanced for the iphone 5
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you can shoot 69 photographs fits the
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very cool sound effects to hear me fired
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sounds like the type of sound effects we
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when you move around the user interface
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to play with this app told you they
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respond sir I didn't get a chance to
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download it yet because you told me that
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this will show but but i did look at the
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video and it looks pretty cool because I
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mean I'm it's obvious and thats it thats
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its on this is my lap around the user
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interface listen to us
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yeah that's what's gonna say you get it
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with your finger I love it really really
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cool user interface very very cool
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results very very it's just a fun fun
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app to play with and and you just sort
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of you just sort of rub the area that
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you want exactly moving and and
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everything else is an established a
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really nice attractive user interface
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very well done so check it out
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you can go to echo graph app.com that's
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echo graph app.com or of course you can
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just go to the app store and search for
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echo graph it's a great app go by the
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app and help support the show it's
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really fun about 4 i'm sure it's also a
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lot of fun on the new ipod touch which
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also has a 16-9 display have you seen
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one yet they're now in the stores they
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just started to analyze this week i
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believe right now I did you get one
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because I'm not that stupid visited by
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both an iphone and ipod touch but I got
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to play with it at the at the event last
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month and the thing that I knew and I
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knew that everybody would say it when it
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came out because everybody at the event
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was flabbergasted by it is how
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unbelievably thin and lightweight thing
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is it is it in everybody you know
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because everybody is upgrading their
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iphones is like wow the new iphone isn't
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I can't believe how light it is compared
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to my old iphone camping thinnest tell
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you once you see the ipod touch
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it's like Oh My iPhone 5 is not that
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thin and lightweight remember before the
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new stuff with the previous you know one
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generation ago the I've won an iphone 4s
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was that the leading iphone in the
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compare it to the older ipod touches and
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always seemed like the ipod touch with
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then lightweight right the new iphone 5
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is it's not quite as thin as those ipod
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touch i think it's like two tenths of a
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millimeter thicker and it's a little bit
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heavier but it is roughly though the
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thickness and weight of the old ipod
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touches like the iphone has now gotten
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to the thinnest and weight of the old
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ipod touches the new ipod touch is that
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much thinner and lighter again and it it
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you know like the numbers don't do it
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justice like when you just look at the
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tech specs sheet and it says that the
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iphone is 7.2 millimeters thick and the
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i pod is you know whatever it is then as
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a sheet of paper or something like that
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doesn't the ages have you you hold it
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there when you're like this
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this is unbelievable and it does
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eventually the get go get so thin that
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you turn it to the side will just be a 1
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well the thing that occurs to me you
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won't be able to see it in person will
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get the verbiage is a review of it when
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they took a shot of it from the side and
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you see the bottom is that in the way
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that Apple was pitching the Lightning
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connector as look one of the reasons we
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had to get rid of the 30-pin dock
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connector is it was limiting how thin
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the devices could be we couldn't make
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these devices as thin as they are now
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this year if we were still using that
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adapter and it occurred to me that you
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look at the picture from the verge had
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of it that the new limiting factor is
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like if you look like if you think the
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iphone 5s headphone jack come close to
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the edges that have the new ipod touch
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it's ridiculous and that it makes me
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wonder if like I really does seem like
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it's like it's selected it's like the
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view China exactly there is the only way
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they can make it thinner would be and
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make it like a bold for the headphone
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can you imagine killer or can you
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imagine of apple with a provide that's
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exactly where I was going
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if you think people went apeshit when
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they got rid of the 30-pin there ya go
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one proprietary thing to another imagine
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imagine what would happen if they if
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they went with a proprietary headphone
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jack or maybe they're just gonna do away
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with the headphone jack
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I guess they could how could they do
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was that am I making this up to where
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they was there a patent thing recently
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about a wireless headset when we can do
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I don't know if there's something yeah I
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but the thing is the difference is the
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big different maybe is that third-party
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headphones are way bigger deal than a
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third party doctrine Ector stuff I think
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I mean you know anybody who's serious
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about audio has some kind of serious
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headphones and people have you know
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noise-cancelling ones for airplanes and
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you know I mean it's for however many
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gazillion people use the white earbuds
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that Apple gives you a you know there's
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don't believe about me people use
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headphones I mean presumably do you have
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something you know something else do you
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have something else that use i do I have
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Shu re yea Europe things that i use on
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one of my only ever use them on an
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airplane because they seal against the
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ear and it really helps to round out the
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yeah and they were I and it costs like
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300 bucks or something like that but i
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didn't pay for them and they came in the
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goodie bag when I was a speaker at
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macworld expo like a three years ago
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yeah it's like you don't get paid for
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speaking macroplex what they give you
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this backpack full it's tough and
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there's a lot of the stuff is really
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awesome and I'm like one of those areas
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where I'll blow money I blow money on a
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new iphone every year I borrow money
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left and right but there's certain
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things that i'm a i'm a cheapskate on
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and headphones are always one of them i
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don't think i've ever spent personally
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more than I don't know thirty forty
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dollars on a pair of headphones but the
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three-hundred-dollar parish or ones that
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I got as being a speaker at macworld are
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their delightful and I'm like oh this is
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why people spend money on headphones i
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had i had a pair of sure once they get
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popping out for some reason and then i
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got i just got the bose in-ear ones
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which are pretty which are pretty good
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i'm not a big audio file so i know
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people don't really like you know I take
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my Jack a long time fine for maybe 10
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years ago I bought a pair of bose they
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weren't the noise cancelling was because
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i was too cheap i bought like a pair of
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bose over the ear thing yeah Minority
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the headband thing cracked and then I
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got mad that i spent like nine dollars
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on headphones and broke eventually
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that's the problem with headphones you
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you have them out and you're using so
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often and you know like mowing the lawn
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and stuff and I we get it snagged on
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something i don't want to spend three
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hundred dollars on pair of headphones
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and of course the ones i got for free of
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lasted me that they're you know three or
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four years old now and are still
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brand-new and I didn't know that if i
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paid for a pair I'd you know drop them
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in a drink or something
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yeah you get such varying opinions about
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the new app yeah do you
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I yeah it seems like some people you
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know I mean when for me there
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they're great they're there much of a
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one way of looking at it is it's a big
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improvement over the old ones because
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the old ones were not very good and then
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the other way of looking at it is
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oh my god you can get such so much
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better headphones for less
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I don't know that you can though it
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seemed like what ok they coming out
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exclaiming I'm not come but they don't
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have the ones that cost less don't have
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a microphone they don't have the volume
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and play plus pause button on the
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clicker around which apparently did and
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I've think about this the ones with the
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in the ipod touch box don't even though
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yeah I think I wasn't shade so they have
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the new shape but they don't have the
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they don't have the microphone and I
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don't think that's weird her and it's
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just very strange that seems to be yeah
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it seems like a weird thing for that to
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yeah i don't blame i'm not a zealot
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about hey just because Apple has a lot
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of money in the bank they've got to
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split you know they've got to get
◼
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windburn some of ya but every no I'm not
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either but it seems like that seemed you
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can build them in such volume that it
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really realizes that if you're giving
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him a pair ahead with it anyway just
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give everybody the same ones i mean
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everybody agrees they're not inside
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their great it's not like they're giving
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you a you know right there
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high-end studio headphones three on
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three hundred dollar so that leads me
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though so you haven't seen the ipod
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touch it is when you do the thing that's
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going to strike you is
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that it is radically thinner and lighter
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and then co and colors but the colors
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thing is i think is secondary to the
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thinnest and lightness and I think that
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that thinnest and lightness is so high a
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priority at Apple that it cannot be
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overstated and in hindsight it's
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especially if you look at the last
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handful of years of apple products that
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the focus on thinnest and lightness it
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stands out and what sticks out like a
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sore thumb is the ipad 3 which got
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thicker and heavier from the generation
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before it it really sticks out in
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hindsight because there's like this
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relentless model after model everything
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gets thinner and lighter and then
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there's the ipad which got thinner the
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►
first year then I suddenly got a little
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thicker and noticeably heavier to to
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accommodate the big battery that powers
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the the retina display rain and so
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that's why I and I ending like that the
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there's two questions people keep asking
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me about the the rumored as i call it
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ipad air and the two questions are I
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can't believe Apple would release a new
◼
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device into this in late-2012 that's not
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retina when everything else has gone
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written across the board in iOS a and
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then be if the new ipod touch starts at
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299 how can the ipad air cost less than
◼
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it those two quite i've gotten those two
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►
questions more I think than any
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questions I can remember in the history
◼
►
of daring fireball that they are so
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complain they're exactly almost phrase
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►
word for word the same way from readers
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well the ipod touch starts it right the
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newer new one starts at 299 the 199 ipod
◼
►
touches that the year old model is the
◼
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that's right so i have answers to both
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►
of those things so on the retina front
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ok it's true that everything now is
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retina across-the-board the ipads retina
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the iphone thread them ended ipod
◼
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touches retina but every single new form
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factor for an iOS device debuted
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non-retina and so I expect that to be
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the same for the ipad air and the second
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thing is I really does want the reason I
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called the ipad areas and so much that I
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think that's what they're going to call
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it although i wouldn't be surprised the
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only two names i expect them to either
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use is either call it the ipad air or
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just call it ipad and you just know the
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difference because this is the one
◼
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that's cheaper and smaller and thinner
◼
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and lighter but i do think though that
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the way they're going to pitch it at the
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appeal of it isn't so much about the
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physical size of it that it's 7.5 inches
◼
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instead of nine point seven days only
◼
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but about thinnest and lightness and
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that it's so much lighter and so much
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thinner than any other tablet on the
◼
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market and to make it thin light it i
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think it has to be non-retina because
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that's that everything about the
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heaviness in thickness of the ipad 3 you
◼
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know given what we know from the ifixit
◼
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teardown is it's about the big honkin
◼
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battery to power at all the the battery
◼
►
the larger batteries also for LTE yeah
◼
►
but look at the look at the so what you
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want my question is that what you think
◼
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it would be this is another thing that
◼
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someone's house on the Arthur Ashe is
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Artyom Charles are Charles Arthur
◼
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suggested that it would be i don't
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really i really don't i don't think so
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yeah but it could be but it could be I I
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►
could believe that i do you know if that
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that would help contribute to the
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thinnest and lightest but the the
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existence of the iphone 5 and it's than
◼
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this in lightness and support for LTE
◼
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makes me think that the the ipad air
◼
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2e2 okay uh and you know it so I just
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►
don't expect them to say much about the
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►
fact that the display isn't retina
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failed i think that there will be nice
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things to say about it i think that I i
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would also think that in the interest of
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thinness and lightness i would not be
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surprised at all if they go with the new
◼
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the the new technology that started this
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year with the idea i phone 5 where the
◼
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touch sensors are integrated in the
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glass with the display as opposed to
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being a separate layer so it'll make the
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even though there won't be the retina
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pixel resolution the pixels will seem
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closer to the surface which isn't you
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know I'd another big part of the appeal
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i wouldn't be surprised if like the
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color quality was a lot like the IPS
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technology was a lot better than say the
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3gs which has that same pixel resolution
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that it will be yeah the resolution will
◼
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be great but in other ways the display
◼
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will be better than previous non-retina
◼
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iOS did displays right it'll still be
◼
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it'll be a good display just not that
◼
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higher verbal resolution i predict if
◼
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it's not if it's not too retina display
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that that will be that will be used as a
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right against I think definitely and
◼
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people people will compare it to the
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Amazon HD devices and the kindle HD
◼
►
devices and say Apple blew it by not
◼
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shipping a Retina display and then they
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also at the same token will not mention
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that the the kindle fires covered and
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that's but that's my contribution this
◼
►
conversation my cynicism about the
◼
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modern state of Technology one degree
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that they are the ants on the inside or
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is it like a candy bar where they're
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crawling around the outside they're all
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that's the type of science I like to
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conduct as a kid I loved a and covered
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candy bar who didn't yes it was almost
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like a special kind of and like the tiny
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and not like a regular size and it was
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like the little mite right well the big
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ones are carpenter yeah they're like
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windy it's a little like it but it
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almost makes it seem like there's a kid
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and you know like just like it
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kids who eat all the candy in the human
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►
world it's the little little kid answer
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like to eat candy in the end Jared did
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you ever try and start at war know how
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would you do that man you'd find two and
◼
►
hills and mingling with them to each
◼
►
other either digga digga yeah basically
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►
all you're digging like at an orange or
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like sprinkles honey bright whenever
◼
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something to get into to find each other
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I don't know that we ever successfully
◼
►
did that but i want a horrible thing to
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do but I know that we did take pickup
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you like we would pick up an appt from
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another and he'll take the corporates
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that see what would happen i don't
◼
►
remember what the results are better
◼
►
when he was a young child a bit dick
◼
►
cheney was very successful at that at
◼
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that sort of a betty was really good at
◼
►
shooting frogs so on the pricing front
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on the pricing front what I think is
◼
►
don't overthink it right everybody this
◼
►
is this idea that everybody seems to
◼
►
have in our heads that if the new ipad
◼
►
ipod touches 299 then how can the ipad
◼
►
air be less than that if it's bigger and
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I I say don't overthink it and a don't
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overthink it and be smaller is cheaper
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like a 13-inch macbook is going to cost
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less than the 15-inch macbook the
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►
11-inch macbook air is going to cost
◼
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less than the 13-inch macbook air
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smaller is cheaper but miniature is
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it's not just that the ipod touch is not
◼
►
just smaller ipad it's a miniature
◼
►
miniaturization is expensive right so if
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you get like a slightly smaller camera
◼
►
it's maybe it's cheaper but if you get
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like a little like spy camera that's
◼
►
more expensive it's expensive to
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miniaturize things also the capacity the
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►
starting capacity of the new ipod
◼
►
touches 32 gigabytes that's true too
◼
►
so if it was a 16 gig tablet right and
◼
►
here's the second case so let's say that
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the new ipad air starts at 249 or even
◼
►
let's just just for the sake of argument
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►
let's say it starts all the way at 199
◼
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for a 16 gigabyte version so it's a
◼
►
hundred dollars cheaper than the new
◼
►
so what's the worst-case scenario of the
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►
people who think that this is a problem
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►
that this bigger and therefore more
◼
►
appealing device is even is also cheaper
◼
►
if somebody comes in and was thinking
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well by the ipod touch and instead I
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well why don't I just buy this thing
◼
►
it's only 199 i'll save money and get a
◼
►
well guess what they just walked out of
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the apple store buying an ipad like
◼
►
that's a wind doesn't matter which one
◼
►
you bought it if you go in the store and
◼
►
buy one of these things and walk out
◼
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your Apple count that as a win
◼
►
it doesn't matter if if if the new ipad
◼
►
air completely cannibalizing sales of
◼
►
well that's great because it's an apple
◼
►
product doing it like I I don't
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overthink it as long as people are
◼
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it's a win for apple and they're
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I mean there's also exactly what you
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cannot put it doesn't matter how thin
◼
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right you cannot shove an ipad air and
◼
►
put in your pocket you can I don't think
◼
►
you can put it on your arm unless you're
◼
►
unless you're running there's no art is
◼
►
not going to be an armband accessory
◼
►
that you can I hope not i bet somebody
◼
►
will do it you seen those people who
◼
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take me with the item every single time
◼
►
we'd have an event it at school and you
◼
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know yeah over the summer yeah we were
◼
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at the pumpkin we're at the pumpkin
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farmer this weekend and there were
◼
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people taking taking videos of like that
◼
►
the pig ran so that's why I'm a little
◼
►
hesitant because it to predict that
◼
►
there won't be any armbands right
◼
►
I'm saying there will be i'm going to
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come out i'm going to come out strongly
◼
►
in favor of there being any not in favor
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of them would it be an armed man would
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►
oh but I guess it would be like a
◼
►
reverse fanny pack that because you want
◼
►
to like look down at your belly too
◼
►
yeah that's thatthat's thatthat's the
◼
►
trying and you know what you would want
◼
►
is you would you will or like up you
◼
►
look at all your Howard you'd want to
◼
►
like a orientation lock it upside down
◼
►
so that you can look down at your belly
◼
►
and yeah and give me a lot of accidents
◼
►
run because i do i am that's why has it
◼
►
not to predict because before i actually
◼
►
saw all these people in the real world
◼
►
using their their iPads cameras
◼
►
including value said video cameras
◼
►
whether it's just they're just walking
◼
►
around with it yeah I laughed at the
◼
►
demands that you know after the original
◼
►
iPad that didn't have a camera i laughed
◼
►
at the demands that everybody said this
◼
►
thing needs a camera on the back because
◼
►
i thought who the hell what the hell is
◼
►
anybody ever gonna use it
◼
►
I don't think I've used I've used I've
◼
►
used the front facing camera for
◼
►
facetime but I right everybody's facing
◼
►
camera makes told her always made total
◼
►
sense to me the rear the demand that
◼
►
have your hammers on both sides i mean
◼
►
it's you know you can claim chowder me
◼
►
on and I I thought it was ridiculous
◼
►
I really did and I again if I if I got
◼
►
an ipad that had like a broken rear
◼
►
camera I don't even know if I would
◼
►
notice it unless i accidentally hit the
◼
►
camera reverse button on the on the
◼
►
phone and I've done I've done that
◼
►
because you know I call my brother or
◼
►
something facetime my brother and then I
◼
►
want to show my kid sitting there
◼
►
playing yeah I like this but it for the
◼
►
most part though but it's not it's not a
◼
►
huge and we just turn around and use the
◼
►
the front-facing camera exactly yeah
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►
okay let me know what miss take the
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second break and do the do the second
◼
►
sponsor ok second sponsor can you do
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like a drum roll I can try
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yeah pixel livery that's like delivery
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but with pixels pixel every pixs l.i.v.e
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ry here's what they've got
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pixel art t-shirts and therefore
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►
everybody what they've got is pixel art
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maps of all 50 states including the
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►
sort of Columbia you're not left out you
◼
►
guys now they're from the guys the guys
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who do United pixel workers they make
◼
►
cool t-shirts I'm sure you've seen them
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►
everybody's in United pixel worker
◼
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t-shirts well these new pixel our
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t-shirts they've gotta pixel very very
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►
very cool shirts their supersoft
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american apparel tri-blend track tease
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I've got a couple of those I've got one
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of those from the Dalton who use those
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anything equivalent to that
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fixed it with the the verizon iphone for
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replace the shuffle with last year's
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yeah they couldn't I don't think they
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could sell that for forty nine dollars
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shuffle step shuffle with a screen which
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this year's like definitely video but i
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weekend is going to need that they have
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you're right now apologize if it was you
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know something that would that would
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interviewed and didn't come out for
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would that would be like without Steve
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they'd be able to keep up the pace and
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especially baby was doing better with
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a little slack but still it was not the
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prettiest thing I've ever said yeah but
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time and who when they're wrong get on
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top of it right and it's amazing to me
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that the new york times seems to be
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coming out a lot of this stuff it does
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you to pieces within like a couple weeks
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that were just real grown really really
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yeah one thing I found is somebody
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pointed out some reader pointed out to
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me the james b stewart that got the
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columnist to the common sense columnist
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with the common-sense columnist is
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apparently previously written about he
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is he's an Android guy and I think that
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that sort of gets to the heart of the
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the what makes these people lose their
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minds is that it's this irrational app
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anti-apple mindset that if you're going
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to start with the assumption that
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there's something wrong with apple and
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something wrong like I've often said
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that there's this implicit insinuation
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that there's something wrong with people
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who choose apple products and a lot of
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these peoples explanations for why Apple
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products are so successful well it all
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starts with the fact that their
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customers are fanatics an axe that's
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yeah that's my favorite is that they
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they will go on to tell you all the
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horrible things about the new iphone
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right when they come out with something
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you know and it doesn't compare to the
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galaxy s3 or whatever because whatever
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reason and but but they'll sell a lot of
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them because the fanboys right they'll
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sit those they'll sell a couple million
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of them to their fanatics
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30 35 million a quarter but perfect
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right the apple for the Apple faithful
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is the energy and will say without any
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irony out any sense of irony know now
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I'd such right now how do you how do
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people get their be who are brainwashed
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by but if you start with that if that's
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your starting point is one of your
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things that you're going to file as a
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fact that these people are the real like
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religious faithful then all sorts of
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once you start that with with a bad
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assumption like that that you're
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unwilling to backtrack from or examine
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at a distance and reconsider perhaps
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then it's easy to start down a path
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where you end up with let's shitcan Tim
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Cook back i had it before the company's
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we need to bring in somebody for you
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must just laughs he must just they
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should bring in somebody sony somebody
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who knows how someone knows michael dell
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that get Michael Dell in there I one
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here's the one last thing and I've
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tweeted this and everybody out there if
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you listen to the show you should follow
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the talk show on twitter because that's
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the best way to get updates on what's
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going on with the show
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like I didn't have a show last week
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maybe you are distressed about that
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maybe you're confused but if you follow
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me on twitter at the talk show you would
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have known that there was gonna show
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last week because that's where updates
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like that happen and i have tweeted this
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but many of you maybe don't listen to it
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that everybody listens to the show what
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you should go do is look at the time get
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you gotta go see two movies you want to
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see the master by Paul Thomas Anderson
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Anderson great movie Adamle cigar was on
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the show months ago when the trailer
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came out and we talked about it
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well now the movies out in theaters
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we've seen it Adam Lisa gore is going to
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be back on the show and we're going to
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talk about it but we're also going to
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talk about another new movie called
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looper and that's by writer-director
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ryan Johnson Ryan with an i and this is
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unbelievable it's almost hard to believe
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but as another guest on the show with
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Adam is going to be a writer director of
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looper ryan Johnson and so the three of
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us are going to talk about the master
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we're going to talk about lupus whole
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thing is going to be very spoiler if so
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you want to see these movies before you
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listen to the show and you definitely
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want to see both of these movies now you
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have you seen unbelievable I've seen
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looper I've not seen the master yet but
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I've seen looper it's good good movie
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don't take my word for it just to
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understand that if Bruce Willis's in the
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movie and it's about time travel you
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know it's going to be good you know it's
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bruce willis time travel and and
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that can go wrong you can't go wrong so
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I'm very excited about that but that's I
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got to get this out here you gotta know
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this if you're listening to show you
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want to see these movies before you
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all right I say we call it a show John
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all right swing for the fences