The Talk Show

◼   ► it's getting time is getting close you

◼   ► can you feel it getting tired to to to

◼   ► put the Yankees logo up on daring

◼   ► fireball but always there baseball on

◼   ► last night there was a little baseball

◼   ► on that oh ok

◼   ► huh how'd that go it was the most

◼   ► exciting game i've ever seen i was

◼   ► worried that you say that every year you

◼   ► know what though that really was i

◼   ► mean--and and it was going to

◼   ► everybody's just gonna already just

◼   ► stopped listening to the show yeah we're

◼   ► gonna have to cut this out i don't know

◼   ► but what happened is that Alex Rodriguez

◼   ► the Yankee everybody loves to hate even

◼   ► Yankee fans Lofton who has been having a

◼   ► horrendous slump in the postseason was

◼   ► due up with his team down the Yankees

◼   ► down by one run with one out in the

◼   ► ninth inning when when Rodriguez was due

◼   ► up and he didn't come out of the dugout

◼   ► and I saw somebody else i really had

◼   ► this moment where I thought am I having

◼   ► a stroke because it didn't make any

◼   ► sense like I was already to be sick

◼   ► watching alex rodriguez has been

◼   ► striking out like he's been striking out

◼   ► like Bugs Bunny like two times Pratt

◼   ► that I like he'll get six strikes and

◼   ► then all the sudden two outs and one

◼   ► that because he struck out twice

◼   ► I'm sick about it because he's here is

◼   ► up with one out and he's been striking

◼   ► out it that every time is up

◼   ► he doesn't come out of the dugout and I

◼   ► i I'd I really thought maybe I was

◼   ► having a stroke or something or maybe

◼   ► the game maybe the game at the bar maybe

◼   ► they had it on like a tivo or something

◼   ► and and somebody back back there that

◼   ► rebounded or something can't believe it

◼   ► didn't understand it you know my fear

◼   ► people people often ask about you is how

◼   ► how you could be a fan of the yankees

◼   ► and the cowboys and also be a fan or you

◼   ► know perennial winners and also be a fan

◼   ► of apple for years when Apple was down

◼   ► in the dumps and I figured this out

◼   ► years ago is that the reason the reason

◼   ► that your fans of all these

◼   ► organizations is not because they're

◼   ► winners or losers as it's because that

◼   ► you get into more arguments by being

◼   ► fans of those

◼   ► organizations yeah how does my wife put

◼   ► my wife puts it that I'm drawn to the

◼   ► teams that their lightning rods I guess

◼   ► something like that she's a good way of

◼   ► putting it that now some some kind of

◼   ► curse words 20 is gonna say there must

◼   ► be an event there's an F there's an F

◼   ► bomb in there

◼   ► ok now I've told this story before i

◼   ► believe on the show but it was probably

◼   ► a long time ago so you can always repeat

◼   ► it I that it used to be in the early

◼   ► years and I've always done this is is

◼   ► daring fireball when the Yankees get

◼   ► into the by the time they get to the

◼   ► second round of the postseason League

◼   ► Championship Series if they're still in

◼   ► it then I change the logo on daring

◼   ► fireball the yankees logo and in the

◼   ► first half of the decade of writing

◼   ► daring fireball that the emails i used

◼   ► to get were I can't believe you're a

◼   ► Yankees fan

◼   ► why aren't and like Apple you should why

◼   ► don't you like Microsoft right the

◼   ► Yankees equal microsoft friend can

◼   ► please so it does it did not compute

◼   ► now though the last couple of years when

◼   ► i put it up the emails I get our course

◼   ► your you think I'm spending a lot of

◼   ► Apple you asshole right again to me see

◼   ► and I see it like you do like it's not

◼   ► necessarily about the winning it's about

◼   ► the like I'm i was a yankees fan all

◼   ► through the eighties when the Yankees

◼   ► where that was like did that like what

◼   ► the nineties word Apple it was it was a

◼   ► dry period you know right you know

◼   ► famously the great Don Mattingly

◼   ► fantastic ballplayer of my childhood for

◼   ► the Yankees never never won a postseason

◼   ► game was a long long dry stretch for the

◼   ► Yankees but i still like them it was it

◼   ► was the appeal was still there so you

◼   ► feel you have suffered how definitely i

◼   ► suffer I mean I i would say the three

◼   ► years with the two years we've gone but

◼   ► since the last World Series have been

◼   ► terrible

◼   ► that's your suffering

◼   ► yeah we didn't notice we have no i don't

◼   ► and we don't we don't get out of the

◼   ► first or did we go to the league

◼   ► championship and 2010 we might have no

◼   ► Texas Peterson 2010 and then

◼   ► Detroit beat us last year try being a

◼   ► mariner span i do I feel bad for you

◼   ► guys you got Ichiro you got to be

◼   ► rooting for you gotta be made you know i

◼   ► use and i know i'm not running for the

◼   ► Yankees but i do root for eternal so you

◼   ► want the yankees lose the teacher to go

◼   ► like 44 exactly did you see the play he

◼   ► made the other day where he danced

◼   ► really they call it like the matrix

◼   ► where there is that he got thrown out at

◼   ► home what is the what is the baseline

◼   ► what is the baseline rule there though I

◼   ► mean I don't know it seems like healing

◼   ► I mean he didn't go like ridiculously

◼   ► far out of the baseline but he sure went

◼   ► out of the base that have but this is

◼   ► jason i don't know if i'm not quite sure

◼   ► how that works with the running out of

◼   ► it was pretty it was a pretty amazing

◼   ► piece of acrobatics though and it also

◼   ► reminds you of of how baseball is

◼   ► fundamentally almost like like the

◼   ► basics of it are like a children's game

◼   ► like tag

◼   ► I mean they're gonna literally downsize

◼   ► your you're safe if you're touching this

◼   ► thing but if you're not touching it in

◼   ► your tag by the ball you're out it's

◼   ► like a children's game in some way

◼   ► friend and that play at home plate with

◼   ► this was exactly like it ya like a

◼   ► playground plays I dancing around home

◼   ► plate yeah well you may have may not

◼   ► have seen like some of the highlights

◼   ► and it's particularly when he started

◼   ► here they were showing they showed a lot

◼   ► of highlights of stuff that he did in

◼   ► Japan and there was one there was one

◼   ► pitch that literally hit the dirt in

◼   ► front of the mound and bounced up and it

◼   ► was a clearly a ball

◼   ► I mean it was ridiculous and it because

◼   ► it hit even home groundwork for the

◼   ► ground in front of home plate bounced up

◼   ► and hit 44 a hit

◼   ► yeah he does he's like a trick shot

◼   ► straight out of artists and they say

◼   ► they were saying on the one was it

◼   ► TV or radio but any one of the Yankee

◼   ► broadcast they were saying that the

◼   ► other day that like the most

◼   ► entertaining thing to do before the game

◼   ► is watch Ichiro do batting practice and

◼   ► that Jeter often just sits there and

◼   ► right before each pitch like you know

◼   ► like a fraction of a second before the

◼   ► guy throwing batting practice throws the

◼   ► pitch Jeter will say short right and

◼   ► they'll hit to wear Jeter said he'll go

◼   ► deep left and he'll pull it or push it

◼   ► to deep left up the middle and hits one

◼   ► up that he just is like a trickshot

◼   ► artists showers

◼   ► now you see the article link to about

◼   ► the way he takes care of his bats

◼   ► yeah i had seen that yeah i mean i've

◼   ► seen that before it reminds me the thing

◼   ► that came to mind is to me like cinema

◼   ► center of mitosis cinematically is that

◼   ► it's he seems like quentin tarantino's

◼   ► envisioning of a baseball player

◼   ► yeah right like the way Tarantino knows

◼   ► how to properly fetishize a samurai

◼   ► sword like that's the way

◼   ► Ichiro takes care of his bat

◼   ► except i guess in the tarantino version

◼   ► there'd be a barefoot woman running her

◼   ► feet on the bat stupid he's a little bit

◼   ► he's a little reclusive teacher oh yeah

◼   ► yeah i mean i'd like to know I'd like to

◼   ► know more about like its day-to-day life

◼   ► alright one last thing on the baseball

◼   ► here is that ok so you're you're you're

◼   ► good good true American yankee hater and

◼   ► you're also gotta be said that yes

◼   ► you've got to be an a-rod hater

◼   ► yeah so how do you feel about last

◼   ► night's game

◼   ► Oh actually so that yeah i mean that's

◼   ► pretty good its conflict that's that's

◼   ► yeah and then the other thing is baniyas

◼   ► was also a mariner and right and a

◼   ► beloved mariner 4 years so you know from

◼   ► that for that regard it's that was nice

◼   ► does he does my it does my heart good to

◼   ► see to see a right go down in flames

◼   ► interesting but not a bond is in h0 no I

◼   ► said yeah right well those guys you left

◼   ► not much different terms everybody has

◼   ► suffered enough sports chocolates but

◼   ► yeah let's get the real sure let's talk

◼   ► about our kids now so it will windows 8

◼   ► is is imminent right it's coming this

◼   ► month

◼   ► ya know to two weeks and we still we

◼   ► know pricing on on the surface which is

◼   ► supposed to come i believe on midnight

◼   ► on the twenty-ninth if i'm not mistaken

◼   ► I believe that is correct which is 18

◼   ► days I today I do you think they're

◼   ► taking a chance with the midnight thing

◼   ► like because the midnight thing it it it

◼   ► it it only works if you're going to have

◼   ► lines right

◼   ► Apple's never done it they've never done

◼   ► the midnight thing but if they did you

◼   ► know people would be lined up

◼   ► I mean they do they get people lined up

◼   ► at midnight even when it's not coming

◼   ► out until nine in the morning

◼   ► yeah but like if you have like a

◼   ► midnight opening and there's like just

◼   ► kind of one comic book guy there you

◼   ► know I was thinking of going up to to

◼   ► see going up to seattle to you should do

◼   ► a local microsoft store to see what was

◼   ► going on but I so maybe I maybe it'll

◼   ► all be curious onlookers i think that

◼   ► the pressure that they're under is is

◼   ► astounding

◼   ► I yeah really kind of in awe i'm a

◼   ► little detached from it right because

◼   ► it's like we're not invested in in

◼   ► microsoft and you know windows

◼   ► I mean I haven't used a windows machine

◼   ► even just to check my email or something

◼   ► in I don't know how long but I'm

◼   ► definitely intrigued by windows 8 I've

◼   ► you know we both written a lot about it

◼   ► this year but the thing I find more

◼   ► interesting is like that the story for

◼   ► the company and the how just how

◼   ► important this is for them and Al close

◼   ► to the wire they seem to be playing it

◼   ► its it's seems very weird to me that

◼   ► there's no pricing yet

◼   ► no pricing on the surface there i guess

◼   ► there is pressing for this winter's

◼   ► itself right there is pressing for

◼   ► windows 8 I forget what it is but and it

◼   ► is also it also seems to me to still be

◼   ► up in the air just exactly what the

◼   ► relationship is between surface tablets

◼   ► and the third party tablets that are

◼   ► going to be running the I guess exact

◼   ► same OS and one thing i noticed this

◼   ► week is probably popped up all over

◼   ► Philadelphia just sometime within the

◼   ► last sometime within the light this week

◼   ► is

◼   ► on all the bus stop tomorrow almost all

◼   ► the bus stops I've seen both sides is

◼   ► surface ads and they're really nice

◼   ► yeah and the TV spot that they had was

◼   ► pretty good too

◼   ► I didn't see the TV spot yeah the our

◼   ► pals at the loop that link to that

◼   ► believe who are pals at the loop

◼   ► oh that I thought you said I had I

◼   ► thought you said Dave Pell at the loop

◼   ► and i was like i love dave pelzer a lot

◼   ► to do that I didn't know they put the

◼   ► hell's he doing guide leave now so the

◼   ► loop has a I think surfing I can I can't

◼   ► remember but and there and they're good

◼   ► heads there but they definitely it

◼   ► definitely seems to me though that

◼   ► Microsoft is not soft-pedaling on the

◼   ► competition with their OEM providers you

◼   ► know I mean like they're not like it the

◼   ► surface is not just a gimmicky look

◼   ► we're just going to set the bar here and

◼   ► I guess what i should say it's not their

◼   ► nexus right like the Nexus phones at

◼   ► least where the Nexus phones are these

◼   ► reference phones put out by Google and

◼   ► nobody really buys them they're not big

◼   ► selling devices they're just sort of

◼   ► like here's a reference device for the

◼   ► new version of android now you go make

◼   ► the ones that are going to sell and big

◼   ► numbers it's not like that like this is

◼   ► something that Microsoft really intends

◼   ► to to really sell like I think Microsoft

◼   ► has already done more advertising for

◼   ► the surface than google has done for

◼   ► nexus and bomber was in I think there

◼   ► was an interview with bomber with maybe

◼   ► some investors yesterday that came out

◼   ► and he was talking about how this is

◼   ► really a fundamental change in how they

◼   ► do business

◼   ► yeah and his his letter do the

◼   ► shareholders this year sort of that

◼   ► didn't even really hint at it but but

◼   ► strongly suggested that they're going to

◼   ► take more of a more of this approach as

◼   ► time goes on you know which i think it

◼   ► is really existing it is interesting

◼   ► it's hard to see how that works out any

◼   ► better than when Apple was licensing the

◼   ► mac OS right because I kind of think

◼   ► that you've got you can't have your cake

◼   ► and eat it too

◼   ► yeah I mean and you know it may be the

◼   ► the amount of evidence over the last you

◼   ► know the two decades of the industry is

◼   ► too little and it's it's not it's not

◼   ► wise to draw conclusions from a small

◼   ► sampling size of companies that have

◼   ► attempted this but it seems to me that

◼   ► the evidence suggests that you should

◼   ► make a choice you either going to do it

◼   ► the Apple way and do your own OS that

◼   ► you use on your own devices and do

◼   ► everything yourself or do it the old

◼   ► microsoft way were you just license this

◼   ► OS or that you know like Android and you

◼   ► can debate the fact that Google doesn't

◼   ► seem to have made any money on android

◼   ► yet but it has certainly been successful

◼   ► in terms of getting people to use it by

◼   ► licensing it although I guess that with

◼   ► the nexus they're sort of towing the

◼   ► other line but they don't make any money

◼   ► on that right whereas microsoft is

◼   ► seemingly the whole point of surfaces

◼   ► that they want to get they want money

◼   ► they want to make you know they see how

◼   ► much money apple is taking from pc sales

◼   ► with the ipad yeah they want in on that

◼   ► there yeah they seem to be very open

◼   ► about saying we're going to be doing

◼   ► business more like Apple does business

◼   ► in the future right that's sort of that

◼   ► without mentioning apple that seemed to

◼   ► yeah what Ballmer said in the the letter

◼   ► to the shareholders it was the was the

◼   ► verge that had the link to the windows a

◼   ► tad just think of the loop heads the

◼   ► link to apple's ipod gotcha what we

◼   ► should talk about that too

◼   ► yeah i saw that ad at the apple event

◼   ► right you know what it reminded me of it

◼   ► reminded me in a good way of the classic

◼   ► one of my all-time favorite apple ads

◼   ► it's a classic from like 99 or so it was

◼   ► when they had the colored imax CRT ones

◼   ► yeah and it was the rolling stones she

◼   ► comes in colors

◼   ► yeah remember that ad yeah yeah vividly

◼   ► good song and the animation was just

◼   ► like hypnotic because it was the that

◼   ► like infinite white background of you

◼   ► know the the whatever that universe is

◼   ► where Volkswagens and

◼   ► Apple computers live and just this is

◼   ► endless stream of imax shooting on top

◼   ► of each other right

◼   ► yeah I always thought like you could do

◼   ► an alternate version was kinda funny

◼   ► it's kind of a powered angry they did

◼   ► that and watch them smash on the ground

◼   ► yeah I guess it's not really a throwback

◼   ► is the ipod ads have sort of

◼   ► consistently been like that

◼   ► yeah i think so every time they don't

◼   ► have generation of them that's about

◼   ► like a a five different colors to choose

◼   ► from

◼   ► yeah they don't really do a lot of ipod

◼   ► advertising anymore they used to do a

◼   ► lot more well obviously was much bigger

◼   ► deal and it seems like this is enough of

◼   ► a change to the lineup that they feel

◼   ► like okay we should do we should promote

◼   ► this

◼   ► yeah because people you know we want

◼   ► people should know that they you might

◼   ► want to think about going out and

◼   ► updating their ipods now right

◼   ► so you said I will have that in the show

◼   ► notes i will at least I will endeavor to

◼   ► have all these ads in the show notes so

◼   ► the verge had the surface TV and but no

◼   ► pricing

◼   ► no pricing 18 days I would love to know

◼   ► what the thinking is on that is that is

◼   ► the thinking that they really don't know

◼   ► yet is the thinking that it if they

◼   ► don't know or they can't say or they're

◼   ► still under pressure like that there's

◼   ► that they have this like let's say

◼   ► really

◼   ► let's say 399 in mind and their hearing

◼   ► from these OEMs that are just screaming

◼   ► at them that we do not you can't sell

◼   ► this thing for 399 because we're selling

◼   ► this thing for our thing for 499 599

◼   ► yeah you can't do this to us where you

◼   ► know and that they're so there's

◼   ► internal pressure that there's people in

◼   ► Microsoft saying look we gotta raise the

◼   ► price on this to make it more you know

◼   ► put more in line that or is it that I

◼   ► could see it that way the other way I

◼   ► could see it is that they they have a

◼   ► low price in mind or wrote you know not

◼   ► like radically lo not like crazy low i

◼   ► don't think but they have a low price in

◼   ► mind and they wanted to save it for the

◼   ► last minute as a big surprise because

◼   ► they are they

◼   ► I think that that's the thing you they

◼   ► better have a relatively low

◼   ► price because at this point if they come

◼   ► out with something that's not it's gonna

◼   ► be it's gonna be like not gonna be good

◼   ► it's the needle on the record coming huh

◼   ► I it's fascinating to me and and it's to

◼   ► me it it used

◼   ► it's fascinating to approach the

◼   ► partially just cause it's so not know

◼   ► and it's all so unpredictable right and

◼   ► in apple product announcement or

◼   ► releases are have become very

◼   ► predictable and maybe in a way that

◼   ► makes them less exciting to talk about

◼   ► but like the way that the everything

◼   ► about the way that the iphone 5 came out

◼   ► was exactly what everybody thought that

◼   ► there is a big line of dirty hippies

◼   ► outside the New York apples fifth avenue

◼   ► apple store and they sold you know a

◼   ► million or two more than last year's and

◼   ► by Monday you had to wait to get one

◼   ► because they were a little bit

◼   ► constrained and by Tuesday everybody had

◼   ► found one nitpicky thing to complain

◼   ► about and every Thursday it was a you

◼   ► know right Consumer Reports wrote

◼   ► something really is a bit about its yeah

◼   ► everything was you know right that you

◼   ► could have written it all we could have

◼   ► written is all in advance and just

◼   ► taking the week off

◼   ► really we would have been we would have

◼   ► been like hey we got it all right

◼   ► whereas and windows you releases I think

◼   ► used to be pretty predictable you know

◼   ► the new one comes out sales of pcs jump

◼   ► in that quarter lots of people buy it

◼   ► and upgrade their pcs people complain

◼   ► about you know which pcs don't qualify

◼   ► or whatever like then and you know

◼   ► nacelles 260 million copies in a year

◼   ► I don't know how this was going to work

◼   ► out and I was not even them while we're

◼   ► on it and this is sort of the side topic

◼   ► but i i i i forgot to ask about this at

◼   ► the event last month

◼   ► and it will with itunes 11 which I still

◼   ► think one of the weirder things about

◼   ► that event was that they previewed

◼   ► iTunes 11 even though it's not coming

◼   ► out until I think they said november but

◼   ► it's i thought i saw this morning and I

◼   ► don't know about that but I thought they

◼   ► had said I thought they had said I well

◼   ► there's still no developer beta usually

◼   ► new versions of itunes there's a beta

◼   ► available to registered I guess even iOS

◼   ► developers to because of the you know

◼   ► the way that you do stuff you know with

◼   ► iOS devices through itunes still no beta

◼   ► but the thing that went unsaid was what

◼   ► does it mean for windows like I presume

◼   ► that there's going to be a windows 11

◼   ► I mean the windows version of itunes a

◼   ► lot of that they're not dropping that

◼   ► and you need it running like because

◼   ► they're still selling all these new

◼   ► ipods and ipods don't have Wi-Fi there's

◼   ► no iCloud can't do itunes match with

◼   ► with an ipod nano or a mini know so you

◼   ► still need itunes so i presume that

◼   ► they're getting iTunes 11 and you know

◼   ► it is a it's a totally new interface it

◼   ► really is i mean it is the it really is

◼   ► the famed in a long-awaited total

◼   ► rewrite of itunes I mean whether it's

◼   ► rewritten under the hood or not who

◼   ► knows but the interface certainly is and

◼   ► how much more work was that for them to

◼   ► do that for windows again everybody's

◼   ► always you know that the apples windows

◼   ► software is it never made people happy I

◼   ► mean I've never heard anybody use

◼   ► windows and says you know what I love I

◼   ► love itunes right Amelia and I think it

◼   ► seems like they've stopped developing

◼   ► right they've decided we forgotten that

◼   ► right

◼   ► chrome has taken chrome is done anything

◼   ► everything that at that safari for

◼   ► windows was ever imagined to do just to

◼   ► be a fast modern WebKit windows browser

◼   ► you know I don't add I think safari for

◼   ► windows was really a another crickets

◼   ► chirping the type thing

◼   ► yeah so i'm really curious about Windows

◼   ► the windows version of itunes 11 and the

◼   ► other thing too is I presume but

◼   ► nobody's said anything weird

◼   ► that they're just going to ignore the

◼   ► whole metro thing that it's going to be

◼   ► a desktop app and it will only run on

◼   ► the intelligent was eight and then I

◼   ► wouldn't know any of these you know

◼   ► something like the surface the first

◼   ► surface the one that's running on arm

◼   ► and uses the windows RT there will be no

◼   ► items for that because I guess you know

◼   ► I guess the logic behind that is that I

◼   ► get a windows like something like the

◼   ► the armed version of surface is like

◼   ► another rival post-pc device not a pc

◼   ► that it's not something that you're

◼   ► going to sync your ipod ipod to that the

◼   ► assumption is going to be that everybody

◼   ► advising ipod will still have a real pc

◼   ► but it's you know nobody I I don't

◼   ► haven't seen anybody answer that

◼   ► yeah that's a weird that's a whole weird

◼   ► area because Microsoft of course is

◼   ► shipping full versions of office for

◼   ► that right and Microsoft really low so

◼   ► to a certain degree it still is a

◼   ► desktop

◼   ► however it's going to really play out in

◼   ► reality with real people

◼   ► the microsoft intention clearly is that

◼   ► no matter what type of windows 8 machine

◼   ► you're running into her arm

◼   ► whichever version they want you using

◼   ► and they think they're going to like

◼   ► using metro and that the desktop is you

◼   ► know it's sort of like their version of

◼   ► classic it's a thing you're going to go

◼   ► to for compatibility with old software

◼   ► is that it was that what are you sure

◼   ► about that that's what they intend I

◼   ► don't know because I don't know that

◼   ► I've seen that really expressly said

◼   ► because they're still we know when they

◼   ► mean they're make that the version of

◼   ► office is really more of a desktop i

◼   ► have a gas station and I don't know I

◼   ► yeah maybe I was it that it's not really

◼   ► metro it's not really maybe I'm

◼   ► exaggerating maybe i'm wrong about that

◼   ► seems yeah cuz i think it seems like i'm

◼   ► in there their whole thing is that no it

◼   ► does everything and it you know we're

◼   ► not in a post-pc world because you have

◼   ► your pc that you like something so like

◼   ► maybe something like let's say auto cat

◼   ► there they're not pitching autocad on

◼   ► rewriting from that

◼   ► rather they're saying you know that's a

◼   ► that's true desktop app and now you know

◼   ► right well maybe I don't know but is it

◼   ► gonna seem weird though it's like for

◼   ► consumers that the consumers or if there

◼   ► is expected to stay in Metro most of the

◼   ► time that iTunes 11 will only run in the

◼   ► desktop mode i think the whole thing is

◼   ► we had personally I mean I just don't

◼   ► get it I don't get the I it doesn't seem

◼   ► like I if you could set the whole thing

◼   ► up so that it it very somehow switches

◼   ► modes so that you had metro on your

◼   ► tablet and then when you used it as a

◼   ► desktop it went back to the desktop and

◼   ► everything ran that way it make it would

◼   ► make more sense to me but the fact that

◼   ► you tell me you saw that video from the

◼   ► verge of you have tried to use trying

◼   ► trying to set the screen resolution

◼   ► right or trying to switch orientation

◼   ► something like that

◼   ► this is just a nightmare because he had

◼   ► to go on a tablet into the desktop to

◼   ► just change the screen resolution and it

◼   ► was it was treaty candidates it was

◼   ► didn't have to do it to change the

◼   ► rotation to do something every day I

◼   ► think it was they think maybe it was the

◼   ► the rage that like I guess with metro it

◼   ► will rotate as you rotate the device but

◼   ► the desktop won't i don't know something

◼   ► like I don't have an MC were frequent

◼   ► frequent talk show guest and and friend

◼   ► of a friend of the show as he was a

◼   ► disability tweeted the other day he's

◼   ► just gone on the record and said he's

◼   ► predicts this whole windows 8 things

◼   ► going to add a shitshow I think he said

◼   ► shit show you know he i think that's

◼   ► exactly what he said I don't know though

◼   ► I don't know I I can see it that way but

◼   ► it's it's it it it's like I almost

◼   ► refused to believe that it could be is

◼   ► confusing and convoluted as as it seems

◼   ► to my eyes that it's going to be the

◼   ► other thing that it seems clear as we

◼   ► get closer to their release and as i

◼   ► watch sites like the Virgin and gadget

◼   ► which get all these things

◼   ► I saw one of them i forget again I think

◼   ► it was the bird had a little like

◼   ► preview review of a couple windows 8

◼   ► tablet and it seems like they're all all

◼   ► of them it seems are going with this

◼   ► it's it's a tablet it's a netbook it's

◼   ► both you know that it ships with raid

◼   ► keyboard and some kind of docking

◼   ► mechanism and you undock to use it as a

◼   ► tablet and and docket and then it's a

◼   ► it's a it's a netbook so little notebook

◼   ► with a keyboard that they're all they're

◼   ► all going in that direction nobody's

◼   ► really going like that i don't think so

◼   ► far purer just it is just a tablet

◼   ► mhm and there is a lot of them really

◼   ► seemed it seems like all the reviews are

◼   ► talking you know that they say that this

◼   ► is convenient but it seems like they're

◼   ► really kind of guys i call it grading on

◼   ► a curve and then they all say like in

◼   ► the next sentence that it's like really

◼   ► hard to get in and out or one of them I

◼   ► swear one of the reviews head it feels

◼   ► like you're going to break it when you

◼   ► have to take it apart when you pull it

◼   ► apart right but just just give it a

◼   ► little bit of force and it doesn't it

◼   ► doesn't actually break like that's not

◼   ► good when it feels to the black when

◼   ► they write that feels like you're

◼   ► breaking it

◼   ► it really seems like a problem and the

◼   ► pricing is not know you had his piece on

◼   ► this was yesterday today and really just

◼   ► so yeah but yesterday about this

◼   ► yeah I was yesterday and it's just I

◼   ► don't know I mean it's a was its said

◼   ► yeah and you said competitive with what

◼   ► that's when they always say that and I

◼   ► noticed that you didn't I don't think

◼   ► you quite mentioned it but it seems like

◼   ► everybody entering this these with these

◼   ► touchscreen things they always say their

◼   ► prices are going to be competitive

◼   ► well they don't want to see right

◼   ► competing with they want to mention they

◼   ► want to mention the ipad but like you

◼   ► said it's what was it so it's like 799

◼   ► or something like that

◼   ► ok so the tablet starts at six hundred

◼   ► and with the keyboard it's 750 right and

◼   ► that's not competitive with the iPad

◼   ► because the ipad starts it instead

◼   ► well it's a 32 gig so it's so it is

◼   ► great it's technically the same price as

◼   ► the ipad but when you've read about it

◼   ► it's it's all plastic and this is one of

◼   ► the things we're it sounds like it's

◼   ► going to break when you try and get in

◼   ► and out of the well and the other thing

◼   ► too that a lot of them seem to be doing

◼   ► is starting at 32 gigs and and maybe

◼   ► price being price comparable with 32

◼   ► gigabyte ipad but i don't know that

◼   ► that's quite competitive if you don't

◼   ► have something at the 399 price level as

◼   ► the the ipad 2 that's only I know only

◼   ► 16 gigabytes it's not quite fair but it

◼   ► is true though that the Apple can say

◼   ► you can come in and get one for 3 99 and

◼   ► I do think I you know I i think that's a

◼   ► huge I I think that's been a huge part

◼   ► of apples pricing strategy ever since

◼   ► the ipods went to multiple storage

◼   ► capacities is that they price one with

◼   ► two little storage at in a at at some

◼   ► sort of price level that breaks a

◼   ► psychological barrier like 199 so it's

◼   ► under 200 bucks and then people come in

◼   ► the store and they're like well I'm

◼   ► going to spend 199 m as well get the one

◼   ► with 32 gigs because it's gonna you know

◼   ► I can fit on the music on

◼   ► like I really do think that they say

◼   ► apple sells more 32-gigabyte iPads

◼   ► because of the 16 gigabyte ones at lower

◼   ► price points then they would if those 16

◼   ► gigabyte ones weren't even in the store

◼   ► i really do think that that's it's a

◼   ► significant boost to to type ipad sales

◼   ► yeah and I think everything works like

◼   ► that having cars work like that that you

◼   ► know there's always something i don't

◼   ► know i'm sure there's like a marketing

◼   ► name for it but there's there's

◼   ► something to that and I feel like the pc

◼   ► guys who are all starting at 32 and

◼   ► these 599 prices that that's a real

◼   ► problem

◼   ► it makes them look bad and I don't think

◼   ► that they're going to have on day one

◼   ► most of the apps that will have on day

◼   ► one are going to be desktop apps they're

◼   ► not going to be metro absolute you

◼   ► really aren't going to have the

◼   ► host of applications that you can get on

◼   ► an ipad on a metro and I'm yeah i mean

◼   ► on a metro device when it ships and

◼   ► Apple didn't have a lot when the ipad

◼   ► shipped they were able to do you know to

◼   ► the scaling up from iphone apps but that

◼   ► was then that was two-and-a-half years

◼   ► ago and it's a different world now so

◼   ► you're basically saying if you really

◼   ► want to run this thing and have a bunch

◼   ► of apps you write the keyboard so it's

◼   ► actually so it actually is a 750 dollar

◼   ► right plastic device in which case

◼   ► that's not competing with an ipad that's

◼   ► competing with a netbook remember

◼   ► netbooks it's like a word that is just

◼   ► not the guy come out to fix our our

◼   ► microwave and he had a netbook my shits

◼   ► but hey because he had to use it to to

◼   ► look up like PDFs of the repair the

◼   ► specifications that came from the

◼   ► microwave and vendors and it just looked

◼   ► horrible

◼   ► it's running XP you know what those XP

◼   ► man oh man is that a hit i think they

◼   ► got so much mileage out of that I really

◼   ► do that it's ya back I mean that was

◼   ► absolutely peak microsoft everything

◼   ► that's really where the wheels and you

◼   ► know but but that really hurt that in

◼   ► the way yeah right and I mean the fact

◼   ► that it was such a hit and that eight

◼   ► wrote it for so long

◼   ► right but like and I think that the

◼   ► initial netbook and the initial netbook

◼   ► way when everybody was netbook notebook

◼   ► netbook and people used to ask Apple you

◼   ► know don't you realize you're doomed

◼   ► without a net book which was not that

◼   ► big a hit but it was enough of a hit

◼   ► that it became like at least in the tech

◼   ► world category right it's so telling

◼   ► that what drove those netbooks the ones

◼   ► that actually did sell was XP which was

◼   ► like seven years old at that point and

◼   ► was not designed with those machines

◼   ► when it was created like XP shipping

◼   ► like 2001

◼   ► I think right around there and in 2001

◼   ► like the smallest pc notebook was you

◼   ► know by today's standards of brick or at

◼   ► least find quote-unquote netbook

◼   ► standards like a a real thick heavy

◼   ► brick again it's kind of telling that

◼   ► like Microsoft's only real foray into

◼   ► super lightweight stuff that nobody else

◼   ► was doing at the time was an OS that

◼   ► wasn't even designed for it

◼   ► yeah it somewhere else I wanted to go

◼   ► with that but maybe I should just take

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◼   ► it's like adding splashes of video into

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◼   ► it's it's almost like a little mini

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◼   ► iMovie and it has you know cool filters

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◼   ► you can go to echo graph app.com that's

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◼   ► lot of fun on the new ipod touch which

◼   ► also has a 16-9 display have you seen

◼   ► one yet they're now in the stores they

◼   ► just started to analyze this week i

◼   ► believe right now I did you get one

◼   ► because I'm not that stupid visited by

◼   ► both an iphone and ipod touch but I got

◼   ► to play with it at the at the event last

◼   ► month and the thing that I knew and I

◼   ► knew that everybody would say it when it

◼   ► came out because everybody at the event

◼   ► was flabbergasted by it is how

◼   ► unbelievably thin and lightweight thing

◼   ► is it is it in everybody you know

◼   ► because everybody is upgrading their

◼   ► iphones is like wow the new iphone isn't

◼   ► I can't believe how light it is compared

◼   ► to my old iphone camping thinnest tell

◼   ► you once you see the ipod touch

◼   ► it's like Oh My iPhone 5 is not that

◼   ► thin and lightweight remember before the

◼   ► new stuff with the previous you know one

◼   ► generation ago the I've won an iphone 4s

◼   ► was that the leading iphone in the

◼   ► compare it to the older ipod touches and

◼   ► always seemed like the ipod touch with

◼   ► so thin

◼   ► then lightweight right the new iphone 5

◼   ► is it's not quite as thin as those ipod

◼   ► touch i think it's like two tenths of a

◼   ► millimeter thicker and it's a little bit

◼   ► heavier but it is roughly though the

◼   ► thickness and weight of the old ipod

◼   ► touches like the iphone has now gotten

◼   ► to the thinnest and weight of the old

◼   ► ipod touches the new ipod touch is that

◼   ► much thinner and lighter again and it it

◼   ► you know like the numbers don't do it

◼   ► justice like when you just look at the

◼   ► tech specs sheet and it says that the

◼   ► iphone is 7.2 millimeters thick and the

◼   ► i pod is you know whatever it is then as

◼   ► a sheet of paper or something like that

◼   ► doesn't the ages have you you hold it

◼   ► there when you're like this

◼   ► this is unbelievable and it does

◼   ► eventually the get go get so thin that

◼   ► you turn it to the side will just be a 1

◼   ► pixel line

◼   ► well the thing that occurs to me you

◼   ► won't be able to see it in person will

◼   ► get the verbiage is a review of it when

◼   ► they took a shot of it from the side and

◼   ► you see the bottom is that in the way

◼   ► that Apple was pitching the Lightning

◼   ► connector as look one of the reasons we

◼   ► had to get rid of the 30-pin dock

◼   ► connector is it was limiting how thin

◼   ► the devices could be we couldn't make

◼   ► these devices as thin as they are now

◼   ► this year if we were still using that

◼   ► adapter and it occurred to me that you

◼   ► look at the picture from the verge had

◼   ► of it that the new limiting factor is

◼   ► the headphone jack

◼   ► like if you look like if you think the

◼   ► iphone 5s headphone jack come close to

◼   ► the edges that have the new ipod touch

◼   ► it's ridiculous and that it makes me

◼   ► wonder if like I really does seem like

◼   ► it's like it's selected it's like the

◼   ► view China exactly there is the only way

◼   ► they can make it thinner would be and

◼   ► make it like a bold for the headphone

◼   ► port

◼   ► can you imagine killer or can you

◼   ► imagine of apple with a provide that's

◼   ► exactly where I was going

◼   ► if you think people went apeshit when

◼   ► they got rid of the 30-pin there ya go

◼   ► one proprietary thing to another imagine

◼   ► imagine what would happen if they if

◼   ► they went with a proprietary headphone

◼   ► jack or maybe they're just gonna do away

◼   ► with the headphone jack

◼   ► I guess they could how could they do

◼   ► that bluetooth only

◼   ► was that am I making this up to where

◼   ► they was there a patent thing recently

◼   ► about a wireless headset when we can do

◼   ► bluetooth

◼   ► I don't know if there's something yeah I

◼   ► but the thing is the difference is the

◼   ► big different maybe is that third-party

◼   ► headphones are way bigger deal than a

◼   ► third party doctrine Ector stuff I think

◼   ► I mean you know anybody who's serious

◼   ► about audio has some kind of serious

◼   ► headphones and people have you know

◼   ► noise-cancelling ones for airplanes and

◼   ► you know I mean it's for however many

◼   ► gazillion people use the white earbuds

◼   ► that Apple gives you a you know there's

◼   ► don't believe about me people use

◼   ► headphones I mean presumably do you have

◼   ► something you know something else do you

◼   ► have something else that use i do I have

◼   ► a set of sure

◼   ► Shu re yea Europe things that i use on

◼   ► one of my only ever use them on an

◼   ► airplane because they seal against the

◼   ► ear and it really helps to round out the

◼   ► thing

◼   ► yeah and they were I and it costs like

◼   ► 300 bucks or something like that but i

◼   ► didn't pay for them and they came in the

◼   ► goodie bag when I was a speaker at

◼   ► macworld expo like a three years ago

◼   ► yeah it's like you don't get paid for

◼   ► speaking macroplex what they give you

◼   ► this backpack full it's tough and

◼   ► there's a lot of the stuff is really

◼   ► awesome and I'm like one of those areas

◼   ► where I'll blow money I blow money on a

◼   ► new iphone every year I borrow money

◼   ► left and right but there's certain

◼   ► things that i'm a i'm a cheapskate on

◼   ► and headphones are always one of them i

◼   ► don't think i've ever spent personally

◼   ► more than I don't know thirty forty

◼   ► dollars on a pair of headphones but the

◼   ► three-hundred-dollar parish or ones that

◼   ► I got as being a speaker at macworld are

◼   ► their delightful and I'm like oh this is

◼   ► why people spend money on headphones i

◼   ► had i had a pair of sure once they get

◼   ► popping out for some reason and then i

◼   ► got i just got the bose in-ear ones

◼   ► which are pretty which are pretty good

◼   ► i'm not a big audio file so i know

◼   ► people don't really like you know I take

◼   ► my Jack a long time fine for maybe 10

◼   ► years ago I bought a pair of bose they

◼   ► weren't the noise cancelling was because

◼   ► i was too cheap i bought like a pair of

◼   ► bose over the ear thing yeah Minority

◼   ► Leader like the

◼   ► the headband thing cracked and then I

◼   ► got mad that i spent like nine dollars

◼   ► on headphones and broke eventually

◼   ► that's the problem with headphones you

◼   ► you have them out and you're using so

◼   ► often and you know like mowing the lawn

◼   ► and stuff and I we get it snagged on

◼   ► something i don't want to spend three

◼   ► hundred dollars on pair of headphones

◼   ► and of course the ones i got for free of

◼   ► lasted me that they're you know three or

◼   ► four years old now and are still

◼   ► brand-new and I didn't know that if i

◼   ► paid for a pair I'd you know drop them

◼   ► in a drink or something

◼   ► yeah you get such varying opinions about

◼   ► the new app yeah do you

◼   ► I yeah it seems like some people you

◼   ► know I mean when for me there

◼   ► they're great they're there much of a

◼   ► one way of looking at it is it's a big

◼   ► improvement over the old ones because

◼   ► the old ones were not very good and then

◼   ► the other way of looking at it is

◼   ► oh my god you can get such so much

◼   ► better headphones for less

◼   ► I don't know that you can though it

◼   ► seemed like what ok they coming out

◼   ► exclaiming I'm not come but they don't

◼   ► have the ones that cost less don't have

◼   ► a microphone they don't have the volume

◼   ► and play plus pause button on the

◼   ► clicker around which apparently did and

◼   ► I've think about this the ones with the

◼   ► in the ipod touch box don't even though

◼   ► I'd blown away

◼   ► yeah I think I wasn't shade so they have

◼   ► the new shape but they don't have the

◼   ► they don't have the microphone and I

◼   ► don't think that's weird her and it's

◼   ► just very strange that seems to be yeah

◼   ► it seems like a weird thing for that to

◼   ► get cheap on

◼   ► yeah i don't blame i'm not a zealot

◼   ► about hey just because Apple has a lot

◼   ► of money in the bank they've got to

◼   ► split you know they've got to get

◼   ► windburn some of ya but every no I'm not

◼   ► either but it seems like that seemed you

◼   ► can build them in such volume that it

◼   ► really realizes that if you're giving

◼   ► him a pair ahead with it anyway just

◼   ► give everybody the same ones i mean

◼   ► everybody agrees they're not inside

◼   ► their great it's not like they're giving

◼   ► you a you know right there

◼   ► high-end studio headphones three on

◼   ► three hundred dollar so that leads me

◼   ► though so you haven't seen the ipod

◼   ► touch it is when you do the thing that's

◼   ► going to strike you is

◼   ► that it is radically thinner and lighter

◼   ► and then co and colors but the colors

◼   ► thing is i think is secondary to the

◼   ► thinnest and lightness and I think that

◼   ► that thinnest and lightness is so high a

◼   ► priority at Apple that it cannot be

◼   ► overstated and in hindsight it's

◼   ► especially if you look at the last

◼   ► handful of years of apple products that

◼   ► the focus on thinnest and lightness it

◼   ► stands out and what sticks out like a

◼   ► sore thumb is the ipad 3 which got

◼   ► thicker and heavier from the generation

◼   ► before it it really sticks out in

◼   ► hindsight because there's like this

◼   ► relentless model after model everything

◼   ► gets thinner and lighter and then

◼   ► there's the ipad which got thinner the

◼   ► first year then I suddenly got a little

◼   ► thicker and noticeably heavier to to

◼   ► accommodate the big battery that powers

◼   ► the the retina display rain and so

◼   ► that's why I and I ending like that the

◼   ► there's two questions people keep asking

◼   ► me about the the rumored as i call it

◼   ► ipad air and the two questions are I

◼   ► can't believe Apple would release a new

◼   ► device into this in late-2012 that's not

◼   ► retina when everything else has gone

◼   ► written across the board in iOS a and

◼   ► then be if the new ipod touch starts at

◼   ► 299 how can the ipad air cost less than

◼   ► it those two quite i've gotten those two

◼   ► questions more I think than any

◼   ► questions I can remember in the history

◼   ► of daring fireball that they are so

◼   ► complain they're exactly almost phrase

◼   ► word for word the same way from readers

◼   ► well the ipod touch starts it right the

◼   ► newer new one starts at 299 the 199 ipod

◼   ► touches that the year old model is the

◼   ► previous generation

◼   ► that's right so i have answers to both

◼   ► of those things so on the retina front

◼   ► ok it's true that everything now is

◼   ► retina across-the-board the ipads retina

◼   ► the iphone thread them ended ipod

◼   ► touches retina but every single new form

◼   ► factor for an iOS device debuted

◼   ► non-retina and so I expect that to be

◼   ► the same for the ipad air and the second

◼   ► thing is I really does want the reason I

◼   ► called the ipad areas and so much that I

◼   ► think that's what they're going to call

◼   ► it although i wouldn't be surprised the

◼   ► only two names i expect them to either

◼   ► use is either call it the ipad air or

◼   ► just call it ipad and you just know the

◼   ► difference because this is the one

◼   ► that's cheaper and smaller and thinner

◼   ► and lighter but i do think though that

◼   ► the way they're going to pitch it at the

◼   ► appeal of it isn't so much about the

◼   ► physical size of it that it's 7.5 inches

◼   ► instead of nine point seven days only

◼   ► but about thinnest and lightness and

◼   ► that it's so much lighter and so much

◼   ► thinner than any other tablet on the

◼   ► market and to make it thin light it i

◼   ► think it has to be non-retina because

◼   ► that's that everything about the

◼   ► heaviness in thickness of the ipad 3 you

◼   ► know given what we know from the ifixit

◼   ► teardown is it's about the big honkin

◼   ► battery to power at all the the battery

◼   ► the larger batteries also for LTE yeah

◼   ► but look at the look at the so what you

◼   ► want my question is that what you think

◼   ► it would be this is another thing that

◼   ► came up because yes

◼   ► someone's house on the Arthur Ashe is

◼   ► Artyom Charles are Charles Arthur

◼   ► suggested that it would be i don't

◼   ► really i really don't i don't think so

◼   ► yeah but it could be but it could be I I

◼   ► could believe that i do you know if that

◼   ► that would help contribute to the

◼   ► thinnest and lightest but the the

◼   ► existence of the iphone 5 and it's than

◼   ► this in lightness and support for LTE

◼   ► makes me think that the the ipad air

◼   ► will have

◼   ► 2e2 okay uh and you know it so I just

◼   ► don't expect them to say much about the

◼   ► fact that the display isn't retina

◼   ► failed i think that there will be nice

◼   ► things to say about it i think that I i

◼   ► would also think that in the interest of

◼   ► thinness and lightness i would not be

◼   ► surprised at all if they go with the new

◼   ► the the new technology that started this

◼   ► year with the idea i phone 5 where the

◼   ► touch sensors are integrated in the

◼   ► glass with the display as opposed to

◼   ► being a separate layer so it'll make the

◼   ► even though there won't be the retina

◼   ► pixel resolution the pixels will seem

◼   ► closer to the surface which isn't you

◼   ► know I'd another big part of the appeal

◼   ► i wouldn't be surprised if like the

◼   ► color quality was a lot like the IPS

◼   ► technology was a lot better than say the

◼   ► 3gs which has that same pixel resolution

◼   ► that it will be yeah the resolution will

◼   ► be great but in other ways the display

◼   ► will be better than previous non-retina

◼   ► iOS did displays right it'll still be

◼   ► it'll be a good display just not that

◼   ► higher verbal resolution i predict if

◼   ► it's not if it's not too retina display

◼   ► that that will be that will be used as a

◼   ► right against I think definitely and

◼   ► people people will compare it to the

◼   ► Amazon HD devices and the kindle HD

◼   ► devices and say Apple blew it by not

◼   ► shipping a Retina display and then they

◼   ► also at the same token will not mention

◼   ► that the the kindle fires covered and

◼   ► that's but that's my contribution this

◼   ► conversation my cynicism about the

◼   ► modern state of Technology one degree

◼   ► that they are the ants on the inside or

◼   ► is it like a candy bar where they're

◼   ► crawling around the outside they're all

◼   ► over

◼   ► that's the type of science I like to

◼   ► conduct as a kid I loved a and covered

◼   ► candy bar who didn't yes it was almost

◼   ► like a special kind of and like the tiny

◼   ► and not like a regular size and it was

◼   ► like the little mite right well the big

◼   ► ones are carpenter yeah they're like

◼   ► windy it's a little like it but it

◼   ► almost makes it seem like there's a kid

◼   ► and you know like just like it

◼   ► kids who eat all the candy in the human

◼   ► world it's the little little kid answer

◼   ► like to eat candy in the end Jared did

◼   ► you ever try and start at war know how

◼   ► would you do that man you'd find two and

◼   ► hills and mingling with them to each

◼   ► other either digga digga yeah basically

◼   ► all you're digging like at an orange or

◼   ► like sprinkles honey bright whenever

◼   ► something to get into to find each other

◼   ► yards to the battle

◼   ► I don't know that we ever successfully

◼   ► did that but i want a horrible thing to

◼   ► do but I know that we did take pickup

◼   ► you like we would pick up an appt from

◼   ► another and he'll take the corporates

◼   ► that see what would happen i don't

◼   ► remember what the results are better

◼   ► when he was a young child a bit dick

◼   ► cheney was very successful at that at

◼   ► that sort of a betty was really good at

◼   ► shooting frogs so on the pricing front

◼   ► on the pricing front what I think is

◼   ► don't overthink it right everybody this

◼   ► is this idea that everybody seems to

◼   ► have in our heads that if the new ipad

◼   ► ipod touches 299 then how can the ipad

◼   ► air be less than that if it's bigger and

◼   ► I I say don't overthink it and a don't

◼   ► overthink it and be smaller is cheaper

◼   ► like a 13-inch macbook is going to cost

◼   ► less than the 15-inch macbook the

◼   ► 11-inch macbook air is going to cost

◼   ► less than the 13-inch macbook air

◼   ► smaller is cheaper but miniature is

◼   ► expensive right

◼   ► it's not just that the ipod touch is not

◼   ► just smaller ipad it's a miniature

◼   ► miniaturization is expensive right so if

◼   ► you get like a slightly smaller camera

◼   ► it's maybe it's cheaper but if you get

◼   ► like a little like spy camera that's

◼   ► more expensive it's expensive to

◼   ► miniaturize things also the capacity the

◼   ► starting capacity of the new ipod

◼   ► touches 32 gigabytes that's true too

◼   ► so if it was a 16 gig tablet right and

◼   ► here's the second case so let's say that

◼   ► the new ipad air starts at 249 or even

◼   ► let's just just for the sake of argument

◼   ► let's say it starts all the way at 199

◼   ► for a 16 gigabyte version so it's a

◼   ► hundred dollars cheaper than the new

◼   ► ipod touch

◼   ► so what's the worst-case scenario of the

◼   ► people who think that this is a problem

◼   ► that this bigger and therefore more

◼   ► appealing device is even is also cheaper

◼   ► if somebody comes in and was thinking

◼   ► well by the ipod touch and instead I

◼   ► well why don't I just buy this thing

◼   ► it's only 199 i'll save money and get a

◼   ► bigger screen

◼   ► well guess what they just walked out of

◼   ► the apple store buying an ipad like

◼   ► that's a wind doesn't matter which one

◼   ► you bought it if you go in the store and

◼   ► buy one of these things and walk out

◼   ► your Apple count that as a win

◼   ► it doesn't matter if if if the new ipad

◼   ► air completely cannibalizing sales of

◼   ► the ipod touch

◼   ► well that's great because it's an apple

◼   ► product doing it like I I don't

◼   ► overthink it as long as people are

◼   ► buying any of them

◼   ► it's a win for apple and they're

◼   ► different

◼   ► I mean there's also exactly what you

◼   ► cannot put it doesn't matter how thin

◼   ► right you cannot shove an ipad air and

◼   ► put in your pocket you can I don't think

◼   ► you can put it on your arm unless you're

◼   ► hungry

◼   ► unless you're running there's no art is

◼   ► not going to be an armband accessory

◼   ► that you can I hope not i bet somebody

◼   ► will do it you seen those people who

◼   ► take me with the item every single time

◼   ► we'd have an event it at school and you

◼   ► know yeah over the summer yeah we were

◼   ► at the pumpkin we're at the pumpkin

◼   ► farmer this weekend and there were

◼   ► people taking taking videos of like that

◼   ► the pig ran so that's why I'm a little

◼   ► hesitant because it to predict that

◼   ► there won't be any armbands right

◼   ► bye-bye

◼   ► I'm saying there will be i'm going to

◼   ► come out i'm going to come out strongly

◼   ► in favor of there being any not in favor

◼   ► of them would it be an armed man would

◼   ► be like a fanny pack

◼   ► oh but I guess it would be like a

◼   ► reverse fanny pack that because you want

◼   ► to like look down at your belly too

◼   ► yeah that's thatthat's thatthat's the

◼   ► trying and you know what you would want

◼   ► is you would you will or like up you

◼   ► look at all your Howard you'd want to

◼   ► like a orientation lock it upside down

◼   ► so that you can look down at your belly

◼   ► and yeah and give me a lot of accidents

◼   ► run because i do i am that's why has it

◼   ► not to predict because before i actually

◼   ► saw all these people in the real world

◼   ► using their their iPads cameras

◼   ► including value said video cameras

◼   ► whether it's just they're just walking

◼   ► around with it yeah I laughed at the

◼   ► demands that you know after the original

◼   ► iPad that didn't have a camera i laughed

◼   ► at the demands that everybody said this

◼   ► thing needs a camera on the back because

◼   ► i thought who the hell what the hell is

◼   ► anybody ever gonna use it

◼   ► I don't think I've used I've used I've

◼   ► used the front facing camera for

◼   ► facetime but I right everybody's facing

◼   ► camera makes told her always made total

◼   ► sense to me the rear the demand that

◼   ► have your hammers on both sides i mean

◼   ► it's you know you can claim chowder me

◼   ► on and I I thought it was ridiculous

◼   ► I really did and I again if I if I got

◼   ► an ipad that had like a broken rear

◼   ► camera I don't even know if I would

◼   ► notice it unless i accidentally hit the

◼   ► camera reverse button on the on the

◼   ► phone and I've done I've done that

◼   ► because you know I call my brother or

◼   ► something facetime my brother and then I

◼   ► want to show my kid sitting there

◼   ► playing yeah I like this but it for the

◼   ► most part though but it's not it's not a

◼   ► huge and we just turn around and use the

◼   ► the front-facing camera exactly yeah

◼   ► okay let me know what miss take the

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◼   ► insert things same thing I keep thinking

◼   ► about switching I someday the blogging

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◼   ► computer or something like that because

◼   ► it's getting you should try block

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◼   ► frustrated it's getting ever more

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◼   ► taxi sticks and explains all those X's

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◼   ► class act the type of advertiser who

◼   ► actually listens to the show is that the

◼   ► code is not talk show the code is the

◼   ► talk show because they know actually

◼   ► know that i paid for like the Batman

◼   ► money for that the so what else is going

◼   ► on this week

◼   ► what's your opinion on the ipad pricing

◼   ► oh I know what I want to talk to you

◼   ► about but what's your opinion on the

◼   ► ipad pricing but it will what I think

◼   ► that the there whatever you want to call

◼   ► it is going to be alright so I'm gonna

◼   ► go to the ice cream is my guess i would

◼   ► love it

◼   ► they don't have a lot of probably don't

◼   ► have a lot of products that are priced

◼   ► price 250 you're straight in the middle

◼   ► they like they like the 1099 but they

◼   ► have a couple like the nano starts it

◼   ► 149 and there's something else but

◼   ► there's a there's a couple and I that

◼   ► seems to be 16 gigabyte 250 i think it's

◼   ► it's got to be one of three things

◼   ► either 199 249 for 299 but 299 seems too

◼   ► high and i don't think that if it were I

◼   ► don't think that if let's say worst case

◼   ► scenario the starting price is 299 I

◼   ► don't think that means oh it's this is

◼   ► apple's this is the end of Apple as we

◼   ► know it because everybody's going to buy

◼   ► it a kindle fire or a nexus 7 instead

◼   ► they'd still sell a lot of a 299 but I

◼   ► almost feel like that if they started at

◼   ► 299 it would have to be 32 gigs and then

◼   ► why not just have one that's cheaper and

◼   ► 16 gifts

◼   ► I don't know

◼   ► yeah I don't know either island here's

◼   ► the other thing I want to talk to you

◼   ► about John's I want to talk to you about

◼   ► the stand and it's like my my stick of

◼   ► the month is what is it about Apple that

◼   ► makes people lose their minds and this

◼   ► has always been the case right but it i

◼   ► mean NEVER people there was a thing in 4

◼   ► lits this month where but that's that's

◼   ► really the obvious i'm not going to have

◼   ► a home for Tim Cook to be fired

◼   ► well he did yeah he said in the way and

◼   ► also the way you said it was was

◼   ► ridiculous because he said that Steve

◼   ► Jobs yeah for really seventy-eight

◼   ► percent year-over-year increase in stock

◼   ► price record-breaking ipad

◼   ► record-breaking I've new iphone and a I

◼   ► think very well received a mountain lion

◼   ► update to the mac and iOS 6 update to

◼   ► all the iOS devices all in here and then

◼   ► the guy should be fired because there's

◼   ► some scratches on some of the black

◼   ► iphone and and there's no hey if you

◼   ► shoot right into a light source

◼   ► sometimes you get a purple fringe on

◼   ► what everybody else otherwise agrees is

◼   ► the best camera ever to ship in a mobile

◼   ► phone fire to cook assemble it's just I

◼   ► mean they obviously we're all sick and

◼   ► tired of people trying to tell us what

◼   ► Steve Jobs with I like I did for see it

◼   ► I meeting everybody knew that after he

◼   ► died that any hiccup any minor hiccup

◼   ► along the way was going to have some

◼   ► people saying this wouldn't happen if

◼   ► steve jobs around but I have to admit

◼   ► I'm surprised by how vociferous that

◼   ► that sentiment is every single time

◼   ► there's anything vaguely

◼   ► less-than-stellar not even bad just like

◼   ► yeah you know it that it's all this

◼   ► wouldn't happen under steve jobs all

◼   ► over

◼   ► like I don't understand this is the guy

◼   ► Steve Jobs was the guy who made the

◼   ► Dalmatian imac alright but the flower of

◼   ► wooden it would they were at the same

◼   ► time right one was down the hour and one

◼   ► are flowers right wasn't it flowers on

◼   ► the other one

◼   ► yeah Danny idea i don't agree i don't

◼   ► remember the flowered one because when i

◼   ► saw the donation when my eyes went blind

◼   ► right yeah I don't remember what the

◼   ► pattern was why do you think why do you

◼   ► think that n is it and do you think i'm

◼   ► right though that Apple makes people

◼   ► write things that are way more stupid

◼   ► than any other company like I don't

◼   ► think anybody's really well it's hard to

◼   ► say

◼   ► hard to say because we don't follow

◼   ► other things as closely as we follow

◼   ► Apple but yes let's say I say yes

◼   ► absolutely i but i don't know Microsoft

◼   ► a little i mean i can't say i'm super

◼   ► close but I follow google pretty pretty

◼   ► well too and I you know maybe I don't

◼   ► write about him so much but i read an

◼   ► awful lot about it and I can't think of

◼   ► anything equivalent to that

◼   ► yeah well again like the cowboys and the

◼   ► Yankees it's more of a lightning run it

◼   ► just seems to attract much more

◼   ► attention and what was the article that

◼   ► that Stuart and I don't know if its

◼   ► attention Stewart wrote in new york

◼   ► times last week and then Glenn

◼   ► fleischmann sort of took it apart very

◼   ► very politely and way more politely than

◼   ► you and I can never bear to do in great

◼   ► it's right

◼   ► do you remember that article and yeah I

◼   ► remember him writing that was that about

◼   ► hold on a second here we have a little

◼   ► bit of dead space but we're gonna we're

◼   ► gonna we're gonna find it yeah

◼   ► talk amongst yourselves speak a time for

◼   ► the listeners at home to this is my

◼   ► headline was I asked sing a little sick

◼   ► and ask what is it about Apple that

◼   ► causes people to lose their minds is

◼   ► james stewart's new york times

◼   ► common-sense column titled apples Maps

◼   ► and jobs is shadow and and it

◼   ► I mean he even said that the apples Maps

◼   ► thing could raise antitrust concerns

◼   ► that was it and that was it and he

◼   ► didn't understand in seem to understand

◼   ► the fact that it was tied to ios6 since

◼   ► then not at the iphone 5 and he didn't

◼   ► seem to understand the fact that Apple

◼   ► had made the original apps no app and

◼   ► then it was just changing data right and

◼   ► it was changing the app to but it was

◼   ► but the bigger problem was that it was

◼   ► changing data and the data wasn't quite

◼   ► as good as Google's the right uh you

◼   ► know what here's the other thing too

◼   ► about this and I guess maps is maybe the

◼   ► best example because maybe I think that

◼   ► the people who are arguing that blank

◼   ► would have happened if steve jobs around

◼   ► that they seem most convinced on the

◼   ► maps front that this maps thing would

◼   ► not have happened if Steve Jobs was

◼   ► around and it

◼   ► hey that's boggle it boggles my mind

◼   ► because don't doesn't everybody remember

◼   ► mobileme which ships under i think steve

◼   ► jobs but the other thing that people

◼   ► don't seem to realize and I think it was

◼   ► absolutely positively part of steve jobs

◼   ► is genius was that yes he absolutely was

◼   ► a perfectionist

◼   ► he demanded perfection but the other

◼   ► thing was that he had a he was compelled

◼   ► to ship right like the worst kind of

◼   ► perfectionist is the obsessive

◼   ► perfectionist who goes away and works

◼   ► and works and works and never releases

◼   ► the damn thing right and and just from

◼   ► my own list of personal obsessions I

◼   ► think that kind of explains the the

◼   ► significant drop often in productivity

◼   ► of stanley kubrick over the last two

◼   ► decades of his career right that he was

◼   ► fairly prolific up until the shining

◼   ► 1980 and then from 1980 until his death

◼   ► in 1999 only had two more movies he had

◼   ► full metal jacket in 86 87 and then eyes

◼   ► wide shut in 99 that he went to six

◼   ► years between movies and 12 years

◼   ► between movies and that they're all

◼   ► these rumors about other things that had

◼   ► been warned

◼   ► hang on but that he'd kind of I think

◼   ► painted himself into this perfectionist

◼   ► corner where it it it knowing that he

◼   ► was no longer community ship a movie

◼   ► that it was more you know to focus on

◼   ► and jobs never had that problem jobs

◼   ► love to ship things right they do is

◼   ► famously with the you know with the

◼   ► early Apple the early eighties this

◼   ► mantra of real artist ship and I think

◼   ► that's like the best type of

◼   ► perfectionist to be that you're

◼   ► demanding perfection but you're also

◼   ► demanding to ship now and so of course

◼   ► he would have shipped maps i wouldn't be

◼   ► surprised if he would have shifted

◼   ► sooner

◼   ► yeah the other example I mean is it is

◼   ► Santana gate which was not as big a deal

◼   ► as everybody made it but still there was

◼   ► there was there was a legitimate flaw in

◼   ► the phone that they it's just a flaw

◼   ► that everybody else had the same time

◼   ► right but they did correct it quickly

◼   ► you could argue that they shipped it a

◼   ► little bit too soon because it really

◼   ► when they fixed it wasn't even it didn't

◼   ► even take a four-year they should they

◼   ► fixed it with the the verizon iphone for

◼   ► yea which had the antenna that they

◼   ► eventually used for everybody else in

◼   ► the iphone 4s the one worth the

◼   ► different differently position

◼   ► separators between the frame and the

◼   ► antennas right but yeah so they knew

◼   ► they were onto something there is like a

◼   ► hundred percent certainty that they were

◼   ► onto something really really useful for

◼   ► all of their design goals by moving this

◼   ► did that the cell antennas to the frame

◼   ► of the device but it you know clearly

◼   ► wasn't perfect yet and they shipped it

◼   ► it'sit's yeah it's an astounding sort of

◼   ► lack of understanding of what actually

◼   ► happened to the company over the past

◼   ► right you know the time since since you

◼   ► can go over jobs his whole career but

◼   ► particularly the time since he came back

◼   ► there's this mythology that everything

◼   ► that Apple ship was perfect and it so

◼   ► people like us don't even say that

◼   ► right exactly as the people who truly

◼   ► understand the company know

◼   ► that the secret was you know and again

◼   ► to bring it back to baseball it its and

◼   ► nobody gets on base every time they're

◼   ► up it's just about having a

◼   ► significantly higher batting average

◼   ► than everybody else you know that there

◼   ► was there they were right and continue

◼   ► to be right at a way more often than one

◼   ► they're all better better than 112 in

◼   ► the postseason

◼   ► yes definitely and the other thing that

◼   ► they've always been very good at and to

◼   ► me this is more the warning sign and to

◼   ► me like for example the the open letter

◼   ► from tim cook on maps is a sign of that

◼   ► that Apple is doing very well is that

◼   ► they've always been very good at being

◼   ► honest with themselves about where they

◼   ► have fallen short or where they were

◼   ► wrong and correcting it so it obvious

◼   ► examples i forget which generation was

◼   ► but remember the 1i hard drive based

◼   ► ipod I think it might have been the

◼   ► third generation one where they they

◼   ► added these four touch sensitive buttons

◼   ► above the click wheel instead of hell

◼   ► yeah yeah I have one of those

◼   ► ah it was a very confusing design and it

◼   ► was can always confused me because it

◼   ► somehow it it i don't know like which

◼   ► button to push it which time seemed

◼   ► confusing and everybody had a lot of

◼   ► problems with the fact that they were

◼   ► capacitive buttons rather than buttons

◼   ► that clicked so that people were like

◼   ► their skin would touch these buttons and

◼   ► that you know the wrong thing would

◼   ► happen songs would pause to go back in

◼   ► the menu and you didn't want to just

◼   ► because your skin touch this button so

◼   ► everybody i think it agrees it was a

◼   ► worse design and what they had before

◼   ► and they scrapped it you know they went

◼   ► back the next year to the way it was

◼   ► before it was like it never happened and

◼   ► the time the tiny the the button list

◼   ► ipod touch of now with execution shuffle

◼   ► exactly was another one right

◼   ► similarly failed right concept about

◼   ► instead of doubling down on it or

◼   ► digging in or refusing to admit it was

◼   ► like okay that was a bad idea let's go

◼   ► back here is all your buttons on

◼   ► yourself partner

◼   ► yeah yeah ipod shuffle again

◼   ► I think time after time that they've had

◼   ► that you know that Dave you know when

◼   ► they've made mistakes they they

◼   ► recognize them and move on

◼   ► would you think would you count last

◼   ► year's ipod nano i know a lot of people

◼   ► really liked that i did not i didn't

◼   ► that did not impress me particularly I

◼   ► think they dropped the video i think was

◼   ► really baffling to me yeah I i think it

◼   ► made for I have one and I do like it but

◼   ► to me it isn't an ipod nano it's it's an

◼   ► ipod shuffle yeah it exists as ipod

◼   ► shuffle the screen right and you know

◼   ► presumably the screen is significantly i

◼   ► can only assume is significantly more

◼   ► expensive component wise than the just

◼   ► simple clicking buttons that are on the

◼   ► actual shuffle as we know it and the

◼   ► shuffle is about hitting you know what

◼   ► it was a shuffle cell phone Alex 79

◼   ► bucks 69 bucks maybe less

◼   ► right but they can't I don't think they

◼   ► could I don't think that they could

◼   ► replace the shuffle with last year's

◼   ► nano with the little tiny stamp postage

◼   ► stamp touchscreen 4949 dollars how much

◼   ► $49 on shuffle so there you go

◼   ► yeah they couldn't I don't think they

◼   ► could sell that for forty nine dollars

◼   ► and make a profit so that's why it's not

◼   ► but I do i bought it treating it as a

◼   ► the way that I treated by previous ipod

◼   ► shuffle step shuffle with a screen which

◼   ► is cool because i can read that one

◼   ► almost in the podcast i can don't have

◼   ► to take a guess as to whether this is

◼   ► the newest episode of whatever podcast i

◼   ► can read it and say okay I know that

◼   ► this is it but yeah it's another example

◼   ► I think of of acknowledging a mistake

◼   ► because yeah it's so good it's kind of

◼   ► weird how they've gone back and forth

◼   ► over the years of whether or not the

◼   ► ipod nano is meant to play video in

◼   ► addition to audio so yes now you can do

◼   ► video and they're like no now you can't

◼   ► do video just audio now they're like

◼   ► this year's like definitely video but i

◼   ► agree it's gonna I mean it's got a

◼   ► weekend is going to need that they have

◼   ► is this category that is sort of like i

◼   ► think is a baby changes everything

◼   ► changes valuating accompany the two

◼   ► things you really want is you want them

◼   ► to

◼   ► be right most of the time and you want

◼   ► them to be very good at correcting

◼   ► themselves when they're wrong the rest

◼   ► of the time like it's not realistic to

◼   ► expect the company to be right all the

◼   ► time because nobody is it's impossible

◼   ► to know but no organization or

◼   ► individual in history has is right all

◼   ► of the time you know it's the way I

◼   ► think I and and you i would also say

◼   ► conduct ourselves as writer so we try to

◼   ► be right most of the time but if we are

◼   ► wrong about something you just put it

◼   ► out there make fun of yourself you know

◼   ► you're right now apologize if it was you

◼   ► know something that would that would

◼   ► require yeah but you don't dig it i did

◼   ► that i did that just the other day what

◼   ► was that about that well when I was on

◼   ► that documentary that welcome to

◼   ► macintosh documentary they had asked me

◼   ► about this is back in 2006 when I was

◼   ► interviewed and didn't come out for

◼   ► having another year and a half or

◼   ► something and they asked me to what

◼   ► would that would be like without Steve

◼   ► Jobs was back in 2006 the arrest in this

◼   ► question and and I said I didn't think

◼   ► they'd be able to keep up the pace and

◼   ► this is before the I you know I made it

◼   ► went back when the hits that Apple had

◼   ► right much you know much fewer yeah

◼   ► especially baby was doing better with

◼   ► the mac and they had they had the IP had

◼   ► the ipod yeah and if it was 2006 it was

◼   ► pre iphone yeah it's pretty slippery

◼   ► happen so you know i'm a guy got myself

◼   ► a little slack but still it was not the

◼   ► prettiest thing I've ever said yeah but

◼   ► that's you know I don't see how else to

◼   ► be a note so it's not worth it don't

◼   ► look for pundit to write all of the time

◼   ► look for pundit to write most of the

◼   ► time and who when they're wrong get on

◼   ► top of it right and it's amazing to me

◼   ► that the new york times seems to be

◼   ► coming out a lot of this stuff it does

◼   ► you to pieces within like a couple weeks

◼   ► that were just real grown really really

◼   ► yeah one thing I found is somebody

◼   ► pointed out some reader pointed out to

◼   ► me the james b stewart that got the

◼   ► columnist to the common sense columnist

◼   ► with it but it's

◼   ► with the common-sense columnist is

◼   ► apparently previously written about he

◼   ► is he's an Android guy and I think that

◼   ► that sort of gets to the heart of the

◼   ► the what makes these people lose their

◼   ► minds is that it's this irrational app

◼   ► anti-apple mindset that if you're going

◼   ► to start with the assumption that

◼   ► there's something wrong with apple and

◼   ► something wrong like I've often said

◼   ► that there's this implicit insinuation

◼   ► that there's something wrong with people

◼   ► who choose apple products and a lot of

◼   ► these peoples explanations for why Apple

◼   ► products are so successful well it all

◼   ► starts with the fact that their

◼   ► customers are fanatics an axe that's

◼   ► yeah that's my favorite is that they

◼   ► they will go on to tell you all the

◼   ► horrible things about the new iphone

◼   ► right when they come out with something

◼   ► you know and it doesn't compare to the

◼   ► galaxy s3 or whatever because whatever

◼   ► reason and but but they'll sell a lot of

◼   ► them because the fanboys right they'll

◼   ► sit those they'll sell a couple million

◼   ► of them to their fanatics

◼   ► 30 35 million a quarter but perfect

◼   ► right the apple for the Apple faithful

◼   ► is the energy and will say without any

◼   ► irony out any sense of irony know now

◼   ► I'd such right now how do you how do

◼   ► people get their be who are brainwashed

◼   ► by but if you start with that if that's

◼   ► your starting point is one of your

◼   ► things that you're going to file as a

◼   ► fact that these people are the real like

◼   ► religious faithful then all sorts of

◼   ► once you start that with with a bad

◼   ► assumption like that that you're

◼   ► unwilling to backtrack from or examine

◼   ► at a distance and reconsider perhaps

◼   ► then it's easy to start down a path

◼   ► where you end up with let's shitcan Tim

◼   ► Cook back i had it before the company's

◼   ► totally ruined

◼   ► we need to bring in somebody for you

◼   ► must just laughs he must just they

◼   ► should bring in somebody sony somebody

◼   ► who knows how someone knows michael dell

◼   ► that get Michael Dell in there I one

◼   ► last thing

◼   ► here's the one last thing and I've

◼   ► tweeted this and everybody out there if

◼   ► you listen to the show you should follow

◼   ► the talk show on twitter because that's

◼   ► the best way to get updates on what's

◼   ► going on with the show

◼   ► like I didn't have a show last week

◼   ► maybe you are distressed about that

◼   ► maybe you're confused but if you follow

◼   ► me on twitter at the talk show you would

◼   ► have known that there was gonna show

◼   ► last week because that's where updates

◼   ► like that happen and i have tweeted this

◼   ► but many of you maybe don't listen to it

◼   ► that everybody listens to the show what

◼   ► you should go do is look at the time get

◼   ► a babysitter

◼   ► you gotta go see two movies you want to

◼   ► see the master by Paul Thomas Anderson

◼   ► Anderson great movie Adamle cigar was on

◼   ► the show months ago when the trailer

◼   ► came out and we talked about it

◼   ► well now the movies out in theaters

◼   ► we've seen it Adam Lisa gore is going to

◼   ► be back on the show and we're going to

◼   ► talk about it but we're also going to

◼   ► talk about another new movie called

◼   ► looper and that's by writer-director

◼   ► ryan Johnson Ryan with an i and this is

◼   ► unbelievable it's almost hard to believe

◼   ► but as another guest on the show with

◼   ► Adam is going to be a writer director of

◼   ► looper ryan Johnson and so the three of

◼   ► us are going to talk about the master

◼   ► we're going to talk about lupus whole

◼   ► thing is going to be very spoiler if so

◼   ► you want to see these movies before you

◼   ► listen to the show and you definitely

◼   ► want to see both of these movies now you

◼   ► have you seen unbelievable I've seen

◼   ► looper I've not seen the master yet but

◼   ► I've seen looper it's good good movie

◼   ► and you should go

◼   ► don't take my word for it just to

◼   ► understand that if Bruce Willis's in the

◼   ► movie and it's about time travel you

◼   ► know it's going to be good you know it's

◼   ► going to be good

◼   ► bruce willis time travel and and

◼   ► that can go wrong you can't go wrong so

◼   ► I'm very excited about that but that's I

◼   ► got to get this out here you gotta know

◼   ► this if you're listening to show you

◼   ► want to see these movies before you

◼   ► listen to the show

◼   ► all right I say we call it a show John

◼   ► good work

◼   ► all right swing for the fences