The Talk Show

19: Ant-Covered Candy Bar, with John Moltz


  it's getting time is getting close you

  can you feel it getting tired to to to

  put the Yankees logo up on daring

  fireball but always there baseball on

  last night there was a little baseball

  on that oh ok

  huh how'd that go it was the most

  exciting game i've ever seen i was

  worried that you say that every year you

  know what though that really was i

  mean--and and it was going to

  everybody's just gonna already just

  stopped listening to the show yeah we're

  gonna have to cut this out i don't know

  but what happened is that Alex Rodriguez

  the Yankee everybody loves to hate even

  Yankee fans Lofton who has been having a

  horrendous slump in the postseason was

  due up with his team down the Yankees

  down by one run with one out in the

  ninth inning when when Rodriguez was due

  up and he didn't come out of the dugout

  and I saw somebody else i really had

  this moment where I thought am I having

  a stroke because it didn't make any

  sense like I was already to be sick

  watching alex rodriguez has been

  striking out like he's been striking out

  like Bugs Bunny like two times Pratt

  that I like he'll get six strikes and

  then all the sudden two outs and one

  that because he struck out twice

  I'm sick about it because he's here is

  up with one out and he's been striking

  out it that every time is up

  he doesn't come out of the dugout and I

  i I'd I really thought maybe I was

  having a stroke or something or maybe

  the game maybe the game at the bar maybe

  they had it on like a tivo or something

  and and somebody back back there that

  rebounded or something can't believe it

  didn't understand it you know my fear

  people people often ask about you is how

  how you could be a fan of the yankees

  and the cowboys and also be a fan or you

  know perennial winners and also be a fan

  of apple for years when Apple was down

  in the dumps and I figured this out

  years ago is that the reason the reason

  that your fans of all these

  organizations is not because they're

  winners or losers as it's because that

  you get into more arguments by being

  fans of those

  organizations yeah how does my wife put

  my wife puts it that I'm drawn to the

  teams that their lightning rods I guess

  something like that she's a good way of

  putting it that now some some kind of

  curse words 20 is gonna say there must

  be an event there's an F there's an F

  bomb in there

  ok now I've told this story before i

  believe on the show but it was probably

  a long time ago so you can always repeat

  it I that it used to be in the early

  years and I've always done this is is

  daring fireball when the Yankees get

  into the by the time they get to the

  second round of the postseason League

  Championship Series if they're still in

  it then I change the logo on daring

  fireball the yankees logo and in the

  first half of the decade of writing

  daring fireball that the emails i used

  to get were I can't believe you're a

  Yankees fan

  why aren't and like Apple you should why

  don't you like Microsoft right the

  Yankees equal microsoft friend can

  please so it does it did not compute

  now though the last couple of years when

  i put it up the emails I get our course

  your you think I'm spending a lot of

  Apple you asshole right again to me see

  and I see it like you do like it's not

  necessarily about the winning it's about

  the like I'm i was a yankees fan all

  through the eighties when the Yankees

  where that was like did that like what

  the nineties word Apple it was it was a

  dry period you know right you know

  famously the great Don Mattingly

  fantastic ballplayer of my childhood for

  the Yankees never never won a postseason

  game was a long long dry stretch for the

  Yankees but i still like them it was it

  was the appeal was still there so you

  feel you have suffered how definitely i

  suffer I mean I i would say the three

  years with the two years we've gone but

  since the last World Series have been


  that's your suffering

  yeah we didn't notice we have no i don't

  and we don't we don't get out of the

  first or did we go to the league

  championship and 2010 we might have no

  Texas Peterson 2010 and then

  Detroit beat us last year try being a

  mariner span i do I feel bad for you

  guys you got Ichiro you got to be

  rooting for you gotta be made you know i

  use and i know i'm not running for the

  Yankees but i do root for eternal so you

  want the yankees lose the teacher to go

  like 44 exactly did you see the play he

  made the other day where he danced

  really they call it like the matrix

  where there is that he got thrown out at

  home what is the what is the baseline

  what is the baseline rule there though I

  mean I don't know it seems like healing

  I mean he didn't go like ridiculously

  far out of the baseline but he sure went

  out of the base that have but this is

  jason i don't know if i'm not quite sure

  how that works with the running out of

  it was pretty it was a pretty amazing

  piece of acrobatics though and it also

  reminds you of of how baseball is

  fundamentally almost like like the

  basics of it are like a children's game

  like tag

  I mean they're gonna literally downsize

  your you're safe if you're touching this

  thing but if you're not touching it in

  your tag by the ball you're out it's

  like a children's game in some way

  friend and that play at home plate with

  this was exactly like it ya like a

  playground plays I dancing around home

  plate yeah well you may have may not

  have seen like some of the highlights

  and it's particularly when he started

  here they were showing they showed a lot

  of highlights of stuff that he did in

  Japan and there was one there was one

  pitch that literally hit the dirt in

  front of the mound and bounced up and it

  was a clearly a ball

  I mean it was ridiculous and it because

  it hit even home groundwork for the

  ground in front of home plate bounced up

  and hit 44 a hit

  yeah he does he's like a trick shot

  straight out of artists and they say

  they were saying on the one was it

  TV or radio but any one of the Yankee

  broadcast they were saying that the

  other day that like the most

  entertaining thing to do before the game

  is watch Ichiro do batting practice and

  that Jeter often just sits there and

  right before each pitch like you know

  like a fraction of a second before the

  guy throwing batting practice throws the

  pitch Jeter will say short right and

  they'll hit to wear Jeter said he'll go

  deep left and he'll pull it or push it

  to deep left up the middle and hits one

  up that he just is like a trickshot

  artists showers

  now you see the article link to about

  the way he takes care of his bats

  yeah i had seen that yeah i mean i've

  seen that before it reminds me the thing

  that came to mind is to me like cinema

  center of mitosis cinematically is that

  it's he seems like quentin tarantino's

  envisioning of a baseball player

  yeah right like the way Tarantino knows

  how to properly fetishize a samurai

  sword like that's the way

  Ichiro takes care of his bat

  except i guess in the tarantino version

  there'd be a barefoot woman running her

  feet on the bat stupid he's a little bit

  he's a little reclusive teacher oh yeah

  yeah i mean i'd like to know I'd like to

  know more about like its day-to-day life

  alright one last thing on the baseball

  here is that ok so you're you're you're

  good good true American yankee hater and

  you're also gotta be said that yes

  you've got to be an a-rod hater

  yeah so how do you feel about last

  night's game

  Oh actually so that yeah i mean that's

  pretty good its conflict that's that's

  yeah and then the other thing is baniyas

  was also a mariner and right and a

  beloved mariner 4 years so you know from

  that for that regard it's that was nice

  does he does my it does my heart good to

  see to see a right go down in flames

  interesting but not a bond is in h0 no I

  said yeah right well those guys you left

  not much different terms everybody has

  suffered enough sports chocolates but

  yeah let's get the real sure let's talk

  about our kids now so it will windows 8

  is is imminent right it's coming this


  ya know to two weeks and we still we

  know pricing on on the surface which is

  supposed to come i believe on midnight

  on the twenty-ninth if i'm not mistaken

  I believe that is correct which is 18

  days I today I do you think they're

  taking a chance with the midnight thing

  like because the midnight thing it it it

  it it only works if you're going to have

  lines right

  Apple's never done it they've never done

  the midnight thing but if they did you

  know people would be lined up

  I mean they do they get people lined up

  at midnight even when it's not coming

  out until nine in the morning

  yeah but like if you have like a

  midnight opening and there's like just

  kind of one comic book guy there you

  know I was thinking of going up to to

  see going up to seattle to you should do

  a local microsoft store to see what was

  going on but I so maybe I maybe it'll

  all be curious onlookers i think that

  the pressure that they're under is is


  I yeah really kind of in awe i'm a

  little detached from it right because

  it's like we're not invested in in

  microsoft and you know windows

  I mean I haven't used a windows machine

  even just to check my email or something

  in I don't know how long but I'm

  definitely intrigued by windows 8 I've

  you know we both written a lot about it

  this year but the thing I find more

  interesting is like that the story for

  the company and the how just how

  important this is for them and Al close

  to the wire they seem to be playing it

  its it's seems very weird to me that

  there's no pricing yet

  no pricing on the surface there i guess

  there is pressing for this winter's

  itself right there is pressing for

  windows 8 I forget what it is but and it

  is also it also seems to me to still be

  up in the air just exactly what the

  relationship is between surface tablets

  and the third party tablets that are

  going to be running the I guess exact

  same OS and one thing i noticed this

  week is probably popped up all over

  Philadelphia just sometime within the

  last sometime within the light this week


  on all the bus stop tomorrow almost all

  the bus stops I've seen both sides is

  surface ads and they're really nice

  yeah and the TV spot that they had was

  pretty good too

  I didn't see the TV spot yeah the our

  pals at the loop that link to that

  believe who are pals at the loop

  oh that I thought you said I had I

  thought you said Dave Pell at the loop

  and i was like i love dave pelzer a lot

  to do that I didn't know they put the

  hell's he doing guide leave now so the

  loop has a I think surfing I can I can't

  remember but and there and they're good

  heads there but they definitely it

  definitely seems to me though that

  Microsoft is not soft-pedaling on the

  competition with their OEM providers you

  know I mean like they're not like it the

  surface is not just a gimmicky look

  we're just going to set the bar here and

  I guess what i should say it's not their

  nexus right like the Nexus phones at

  least where the Nexus phones are these

  reference phones put out by Google and

  nobody really buys them they're not big

  selling devices they're just sort of

  like here's a reference device for the

  new version of android now you go make

  the ones that are going to sell and big

  numbers it's not like that like this is

  something that Microsoft really intends

  to to really sell like I think Microsoft

  has already done more advertising for

  the surface than google has done for

  nexus and bomber was in I think there

  was an interview with bomber with maybe

  some investors yesterday that came out

  and he was talking about how this is

  really a fundamental change in how they

  do business

  yeah and his his letter do the

  shareholders this year sort of that

  didn't even really hint at it but but

  strongly suggested that they're going to

  take more of a more of this approach as

  time goes on you know which i think it

  is really existing it is interesting

  it's hard to see how that works out any

  better than when Apple was licensing the

  mac OS right because I kind of think

  that you've got you can't have your cake

  and eat it too

  yeah I mean and you know it may be the

  the amount of evidence over the last you

  know the two decades of the industry is

  too little and it's it's not it's not

  wise to draw conclusions from a small

  sampling size of companies that have

  attempted this but it seems to me that

  the evidence suggests that you should

  make a choice you either going to do it

  the Apple way and do your own OS that

  you use on your own devices and do

  everything yourself or do it the old

  microsoft way were you just license this

  OS or that you know like Android and you

  can debate the fact that Google doesn't

  seem to have made any money on android

  yet but it has certainly been successful

  in terms of getting people to use it by

  licensing it although I guess that with

  the nexus they're sort of towing the

  other line but they don't make any money

  on that right whereas microsoft is

  seemingly the whole point of surfaces

  that they want to get they want money

  they want to make you know they see how

  much money apple is taking from pc sales

  with the ipad yeah they want in on that

  there yeah they seem to be very open

  about saying we're going to be doing

  business more like Apple does business

  in the future right that's sort of that

  without mentioning apple that seemed to

  yeah what Ballmer said in the the letter

  to the shareholders it was the was the

  verge that had the link to the windows a

  tad just think of the loop heads the

  link to apple's ipod gotcha what we

  should talk about that too

  yeah i saw that ad at the apple event

  right you know what it reminded me of it

  reminded me in a good way of the classic

  one of my all-time favorite apple ads

  it's a classic from like 99 or so it was

  when they had the colored imax CRT ones

  yeah and it was the rolling stones she

  comes in colors

  yeah remember that ad yeah yeah vividly

  good song and the animation was just

  like hypnotic because it was the that

  like infinite white background of you

  know the the whatever that universe is

  where Volkswagens and

  Apple computers live and just this is

  endless stream of imax shooting on top

  of each other right

  yeah I always thought like you could do

  an alternate version was kinda funny

  it's kind of a powered angry they did

  that and watch them smash on the ground

  yeah I guess it's not really a throwback

  is the ipod ads have sort of

  consistently been like that

  yeah i think so every time they don't

  have generation of them that's about

  like a a five different colors to choose


  yeah they don't really do a lot of ipod

  advertising anymore they used to do a

  lot more well obviously was much bigger

  deal and it seems like this is enough of

  a change to the lineup that they feel

  like okay we should do we should promote


  yeah because people you know we want

  people should know that they you might

  want to think about going out and

  updating their ipods now right

  so you said I will have that in the show

  notes i will at least I will endeavor to

  have all these ads in the show notes so

  the verge had the surface TV and but no


  no pricing 18 days I would love to know

  what the thinking is on that is that is

  the thinking that they really don't know

  yet is the thinking that it if they

  don't know or they can't say or they're

  still under pressure like that there's

  that they have this like let's say


  let's say 399 in mind and their hearing

  from these OEMs that are just screaming

  at them that we do not you can't sell

  this thing for 399 because we're selling

  this thing for our thing for 499 599

  yeah you can't do this to us where you

  know and that they're so there's

  internal pressure that there's people in

  Microsoft saying look we gotta raise the

  price on this to make it more you know

  put more in line that or is it that I

  could see it that way the other way I

  could see it is that they they have a

  low price in mind or wrote you know not

  like radically lo not like crazy low i

  don't think but they have a low price in

  mind and they wanted to save it for the

  last minute as a big surprise because

  they are they

  I think that that's the thing you they

  better have a relatively low

  price because at this point if they come

  out with something that's not it's gonna

  be it's gonna be like not gonna be good

  it's the needle on the record coming huh

  I it's fascinating to me and and it's to

  me it it used

  it's fascinating to approach the

  partially just cause it's so not know

  and it's all so unpredictable right and

  in apple product announcement or

  releases are have become very

  predictable and maybe in a way that

  makes them less exciting to talk about

  but like the way that the everything

  about the way that the iphone 5 came out

  was exactly what everybody thought that

  there is a big line of dirty hippies

  outside the New York apples fifth avenue

  apple store and they sold you know a

  million or two more than last year's and

  by Monday you had to wait to get one

  because they were a little bit

  constrained and by Tuesday everybody had

  found one nitpicky thing to complain

  about and every Thursday it was a you

  know right Consumer Reports wrote

  something really is a bit about its yeah

  everything was you know right that you

  could have written it all we could have

  written is all in advance and just

  taking the week off

  really we would have been we would have

  been like hey we got it all right

  whereas and windows you releases I think

  used to be pretty predictable you know

  the new one comes out sales of pcs jump

  in that quarter lots of people buy it

  and upgrade their pcs people complain

  about you know which pcs don't qualify

  or whatever like then and you know

  nacelles 260 million copies in a year

  I don't know how this was going to work

  out and I was not even them while we're

  on it and this is sort of the side topic

  but i i i i forgot to ask about this at

  the event last month

  and it will with itunes 11 which I still

  think one of the weirder things about

  that event was that they previewed

  iTunes 11 even though it's not coming

  out until I think they said november but

  it's i thought i saw this morning and I

  don't know about that but I thought they

  had said I thought they had said I well

  there's still no developer beta usually

  new versions of itunes there's a beta

  available to registered I guess even iOS

  developers to because of the you know

  the way that you do stuff you know with

  iOS devices through itunes still no beta

  but the thing that went unsaid was what

  does it mean for windows like I presume

  that there's going to be a windows 11

  I mean the windows version of itunes a

  lot of that they're not dropping that

  and you need it running like because

  they're still selling all these new

  ipods and ipods don't have Wi-Fi there's

  no iCloud can't do itunes match with

  with an ipod nano or a mini know so you

  still need itunes so i presume that

  they're getting iTunes 11 and you know

  it is a it's a totally new interface it

  really is i mean it is the it really is

  the famed in a long-awaited total

  rewrite of itunes I mean whether it's

  rewritten under the hood or not who

  knows but the interface certainly is and

  how much more work was that for them to

  do that for windows again everybody's

  always you know that the apples windows

  software is it never made people happy I

  mean I've never heard anybody use

  windows and says you know what I love I

  love itunes right Amelia and I think it

  seems like they've stopped developing

  right they've decided we forgotten that


  chrome has taken chrome is done anything

  everything that at that safari for

  windows was ever imagined to do just to

  be a fast modern WebKit windows browser

  you know I don't add I think safari for

  windows was really a another crickets

  chirping the type thing

  yeah so i'm really curious about Windows

  the windows version of itunes 11 and the

  other thing too is I presume but

  nobody's said anything weird

  that they're just going to ignore the

  whole metro thing that it's going to be

  a desktop app and it will only run on

  the intelligent was eight and then I

  wouldn't know any of these you know

  something like the surface the first

  surface the one that's running on arm

  and uses the windows RT there will be no

  items for that because I guess you know

  I guess the logic behind that is that I

  get a windows like something like the

  the armed version of surface is like

  another rival post-pc device not a pc

  that it's not something that you're

  going to sync your ipod ipod to that the

  assumption is going to be that everybody

  advising ipod will still have a real pc

  but it's you know nobody I I don't

  haven't seen anybody answer that

  yeah that's a weird that's a whole weird

  area because Microsoft of course is

  shipping full versions of office for

  that right and Microsoft really low so

  to a certain degree it still is a


  however it's going to really play out in

  reality with real people

  the microsoft intention clearly is that

  no matter what type of windows 8 machine

  you're running into her arm

  whichever version they want you using

  and they think they're going to like

  using metro and that the desktop is you

  know it's sort of like their version of

  classic it's a thing you're going to go

  to for compatibility with old software

  is that it was that what are you sure

  about that that's what they intend I

  don't know because I don't know that

  I've seen that really expressly said

  because they're still we know when they

  mean they're make that the version of

  office is really more of a desktop i

  have a gas station and I don't know I

  yeah maybe I was it that it's not really

  metro it's not really maybe I'm

  exaggerating maybe i'm wrong about that

  seems yeah cuz i think it seems like i'm

  in there their whole thing is that no it

  does everything and it you know we're

  not in a post-pc world because you have

  your pc that you like something so like

  maybe something like let's say auto cat

  there they're not pitching autocad on

  rewriting from that

  rather they're saying you know that's a

  that's true desktop app and now you know

  right well maybe I don't know but is it

  gonna seem weird though it's like for

  consumers that the consumers or if there

  is expected to stay in Metro most of the

  time that iTunes 11 will only run in the

  desktop mode i think the whole thing is

  we had personally I mean I just don't

  get it I don't get the I it doesn't seem

  like I if you could set the whole thing

  up so that it it very somehow switches

  modes so that you had metro on your

  tablet and then when you used it as a

  desktop it went back to the desktop and

  everything ran that way it make it would

  make more sense to me but the fact that

  you tell me you saw that video from the

  verge of you have tried to use trying

  trying to set the screen resolution

  right or trying to switch orientation

  something like that

  this is just a nightmare because he had

  to go on a tablet into the desktop to

  just change the screen resolution and it

  was it was treaty candidates it was

  didn't have to do it to change the

  rotation to do something every day I

  think it was they think maybe it was the

  the rage that like I guess with metro it

  will rotate as you rotate the device but

  the desktop won't i don't know something

  like I don't have an MC were frequent

  frequent talk show guest and and friend

  of a friend of the show as he was a

  disability tweeted the other day he's

  just gone on the record and said he's

  predicts this whole windows 8 things

  going to add a shitshow I think he said

  shit show you know he i think that's

  exactly what he said I don't know though

  I don't know I I can see it that way but

  it's it's it it it's like I almost

  refused to believe that it could be is

  confusing and convoluted as as it seems

  to my eyes that it's going to be the

  other thing that it seems clear as we

  get closer to their release and as i

  watch sites like the Virgin and gadget

  which get all these things

  I saw one of them i forget again I think

  it was the bird had a little like

  preview review of a couple windows 8

  tablet and it seems like they're all all

  of them it seems are going with this

  it's it's a tablet it's a netbook it's

  both you know that it ships with raid

  keyboard and some kind of docking

  mechanism and you undock to use it as a

  tablet and and docket and then it's a

  it's a it's a netbook so little notebook

  with a keyboard that they're all they're

  all going in that direction nobody's

  really going like that i don't think so

  far purer just it is just a tablet

  mhm and there is a lot of them really

  seemed it seems like all the reviews are

  talking you know that they say that this

  is convenient but it seems like they're

  really kind of guys i call it grading on

  a curve and then they all say like in

  the next sentence that it's like really

  hard to get in and out or one of them I

  swear one of the reviews head it feels

  like you're going to break it when you

  have to take it apart when you pull it

  apart right but just just give it a

  little bit of force and it doesn't it

  doesn't actually break like that's not

  good when it feels to the black when

  they write that feels like you're

  breaking it

  it really seems like a problem and the

  pricing is not know you had his piece on

  this was yesterday today and really just

  so yeah but yesterday about this

  yeah I was yesterday and it's just I

  don't know I mean it's a was its said

  yeah and you said competitive with what

  that's when they always say that and I

  noticed that you didn't I don't think

  you quite mentioned it but it seems like

  everybody entering this these with these

  touchscreen things they always say their

  prices are going to be competitive

  well they don't want to see right

  competing with they want to mention they

  want to mention the ipad but like you

  said it's what was it so it's like 799

  or something like that

  ok so the tablet starts at six hundred

  and with the keyboard it's 750 right and

  that's not competitive with the iPad

  because the ipad starts it instead

  well it's a 32 gig so it's so it is

  great it's technically the same price as

  the ipad but when you've read about it

  it's it's all plastic and this is one of

  the things we're it sounds like it's

  going to break when you try and get in

  and out of the well and the other thing

  too that a lot of them seem to be doing

  is starting at 32 gigs and and maybe

  price being price comparable with 32

  gigabyte ipad but i don't know that

  that's quite competitive if you don't

  have something at the 399 price level as

  the the ipad 2 that's only I know only

  16 gigabytes it's not quite fair but it

  is true though that the Apple can say

  you can come in and get one for 3 99 and

  I do think I you know I i think that's a

  huge I I think that's been a huge part

  of apples pricing strategy ever since

  the ipods went to multiple storage

  capacities is that they price one with

  two little storage at in a at at some

  sort of price level that breaks a

  psychological barrier like 199 so it's

  under 200 bucks and then people come in

  the store and they're like well I'm

  going to spend 199 m as well get the one

  with 32 gigs because it's gonna you know

  I can fit on the music on

  like I really do think that they say

  apple sells more 32-gigabyte iPads

  because of the 16 gigabyte ones at lower

  price points then they would if those 16

  gigabyte ones weren't even in the store

  i really do think that that's it's a

  significant boost to to type ipad sales

  yeah and I think everything works like

  that having cars work like that that you

  know there's always something i don't

  know i'm sure there's like a marketing

  name for it but there's there's

  something to that and I feel like the pc

  guys who are all starting at 32 and

  these 599 prices that that's a real


  it makes them look bad and I don't think

  that they're going to have on day one

  most of the apps that will have on day

  one are going to be desktop apps they're

  not going to be metro absolute you

  really aren't going to have the

  host of applications that you can get on

  an ipad on a metro and I'm yeah i mean

  on a metro device when it ships and

  Apple didn't have a lot when the ipad

  shipped they were able to do you know to

  the scaling up from iphone apps but that

  was then that was two-and-a-half years

  ago and it's a different world now so

  you're basically saying if you really

  want to run this thing and have a bunch

  of apps you write the keyboard so it's

  actually so it actually is a 750 dollar

  right plastic device in which case

  that's not competing with an ipad that's

  competing with a netbook remember

  netbooks it's like a word that is just

  not the guy come out to fix our our

  microwave and he had a netbook my shits

  but hey because he had to use it to to

  look up like PDFs of the repair the

  specifications that came from the

  microwave and vendors and it just looked


  it's running XP you know what those XP

  man oh man is that a hit i think they

  got so much mileage out of that I really

  do that it's ya back I mean that was

  absolutely peak microsoft everything

  that's really where the wheels and you

  know but but that really hurt that in

  the way yeah right and I mean the fact

  that it was such a hit and that eight

  wrote it for so long

  right but like and I think that the

  initial netbook and the initial netbook

  way when everybody was netbook notebook

  netbook and people used to ask Apple you

  know don't you realize you're doomed

  without a net book which was not that

  big a hit but it was enough of a hit

  that it became like at least in the tech

  world category right it's so telling

  that what drove those netbooks the ones

  that actually did sell was XP which was

  like seven years old at that point and

  was not designed with those machines

  when it was created like XP shipping

  like 2001

  I think right around there and in 2001

  like the smallest pc notebook was you

  know by today's standards of brick or at

  least find quote-unquote netbook

  standards like a a real thick heavy

  brick again it's kind of telling that

  like Microsoft's only real foray into

  super lightweight stuff that nobody else

  was doing at the time was an OS that

  wasn't even designed for it

  yeah it somewhere else I wanted to go

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  to play with it at the at the event last

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  knew that everybody would say it when it

  came out because everybody at the event

  was flabbergasted by it is how

  unbelievably thin and lightweight thing

  is it is it in everybody you know

  because everybody is upgrading their

  iphones is like wow the new iphone isn't

  I can't believe how light it is compared

  to my old iphone camping thinnest tell

  you once you see the ipod touch

  it's like Oh My iPhone 5 is not that

  thin and lightweight remember before the

  new stuff with the previous you know one

  generation ago the I've won an iphone 4s

  was that the leading iphone in the

  compare it to the older ipod touches and

  always seemed like the ipod touch with

  so thin

  then lightweight right the new iphone 5

  is it's not quite as thin as those ipod

  touch i think it's like two tenths of a

  millimeter thicker and it's a little bit

  heavier but it is roughly though the

  thickness and weight of the old ipod

  touches like the iphone has now gotten

  to the thinnest and weight of the old

  ipod touches the new ipod touch is that

  much thinner and lighter again and it it

  you know like the numbers don't do it

  justice like when you just look at the

  tech specs sheet and it says that the

  iphone is 7.2 millimeters thick and the

  i pod is you know whatever it is then as

  a sheet of paper or something like that

  doesn't the ages have you you hold it

  there when you're like this

  this is unbelievable and it does

  eventually the get go get so thin that

  you turn it to the side will just be a 1

  pixel line

  well the thing that occurs to me you

  won't be able to see it in person will

  get the verbiage is a review of it when

  they took a shot of it from the side and

  you see the bottom is that in the way

  that Apple was pitching the Lightning

  connector as look one of the reasons we

  had to get rid of the 30-pin dock

  connector is it was limiting how thin

  the devices could be we couldn't make

  these devices as thin as they are now

  this year if we were still using that

  adapter and it occurred to me that you

  look at the picture from the verge had

  of it that the new limiting factor is

  the headphone jack

  like if you look like if you think the

  iphone 5s headphone jack come close to

  the edges that have the new ipod touch

  it's ridiculous and that it makes me

  wonder if like I really does seem like

  it's like it's selected it's like the

  view China exactly there is the only way

  they can make it thinner would be and

  make it like a bold for the headphone


  can you imagine killer or can you

  imagine of apple with a provide that's

  exactly where I was going

  if you think people went apeshit when

  they got rid of the 30-pin there ya go

  one proprietary thing to another imagine

  imagine what would happen if they if

  they went with a proprietary headphone

  jack or maybe they're just gonna do away

  with the headphone jack

  I guess they could how could they do

  that bluetooth only

  was that am I making this up to where

  they was there a patent thing recently

  about a wireless headset when we can do


  I don't know if there's something yeah I

  but the thing is the difference is the

  big different maybe is that third-party

  headphones are way bigger deal than a

  third party doctrine Ector stuff I think

  I mean you know anybody who's serious

  about audio has some kind of serious

  headphones and people have you know

  noise-cancelling ones for airplanes and

  you know I mean it's for however many

  gazillion people use the white earbuds

  that Apple gives you a you know there's

  don't believe about me people use

  headphones I mean presumably do you have

  something you know something else do you

  have something else that use i do I have

  a set of sure

  Shu re yea Europe things that i use on

  one of my only ever use them on an

  airplane because they seal against the

  ear and it really helps to round out the


  yeah and they were I and it costs like

  300 bucks or something like that but i

  didn't pay for them and they came in the

  goodie bag when I was a speaker at

  macworld expo like a three years ago

  yeah it's like you don't get paid for

  speaking macroplex what they give you

  this backpack full it's tough and

  there's a lot of the stuff is really

  awesome and I'm like one of those areas

  where I'll blow money I blow money on a

  new iphone every year I borrow money

  left and right but there's certain

  things that i'm a i'm a cheapskate on

  and headphones are always one of them i

  don't think i've ever spent personally

  more than I don't know thirty forty

  dollars on a pair of headphones but the

  three-hundred-dollar parish or ones that

  I got as being a speaker at macworld are

  their delightful and I'm like oh this is

  why people spend money on headphones i

  had i had a pair of sure once they get

  popping out for some reason and then i

  got i just got the bose in-ear ones

  which are pretty which are pretty good

  i'm not a big audio file so i know

  people don't really like you know I take

  my Jack a long time fine for maybe 10

  years ago I bought a pair of bose they

  weren't the noise cancelling was because

  i was too cheap i bought like a pair of

  bose over the ear thing yeah Minority

  Leader like the

  the headband thing cracked and then I

  got mad that i spent like nine dollars

  on headphones and broke eventually

  that's the problem with headphones you

  you have them out and you're using so

  often and you know like mowing the lawn

  and stuff and I we get it snagged on

  something i don't want to spend three

  hundred dollars on pair of headphones

  and of course the ones i got for free of

  lasted me that they're you know three or

  four years old now and are still

  brand-new and I didn't know that if i

  paid for a pair I'd you know drop them

  in a drink or something

  yeah you get such varying opinions about

  the new app yeah do you

  I yeah it seems like some people you

  know I mean when for me there

  they're great they're there much of a

  one way of looking at it is it's a big

  improvement over the old ones because

  the old ones were not very good and then

  the other way of looking at it is

  oh my god you can get such so much

  better headphones for less

  I don't know that you can though it

  seemed like what ok they coming out

  exclaiming I'm not come but they don't

  have the ones that cost less don't have

  a microphone they don't have the volume

  and play plus pause button on the

  clicker around which apparently did and

  I've think about this the ones with the

  in the ipod touch box don't even though

  I'd blown away

  yeah I think I wasn't shade so they have

  the new shape but they don't have the

  they don't have the microphone and I

  don't think that's weird her and it's

  just very strange that seems to be yeah

  it seems like a weird thing for that to

  get cheap on

  yeah i don't blame i'm not a zealot

  about hey just because Apple has a lot

  of money in the bank they've got to

  split you know they've got to get

  windburn some of ya but every no I'm not

  either but it seems like that seemed you

  can build them in such volume that it

  really realizes that if you're giving

  him a pair ahead with it anyway just

  give everybody the same ones i mean

  everybody agrees they're not inside

  their great it's not like they're giving

  you a you know right there

  high-end studio headphones three on

  three hundred dollar so that leads me

  though so you haven't seen the ipod

  touch it is when you do the thing that's

  going to strike you is

  that it is radically thinner and lighter

  and then co and colors but the colors

  thing is i think is secondary to the

  thinnest and lightness and I think that

  that thinnest and lightness is so high a

  priority at Apple that it cannot be

  overstated and in hindsight it's

  especially if you look at the last

  handful of years of apple products that

  the focus on thinnest and lightness it

  stands out and what sticks out like a

  sore thumb is the ipad 3 which got

  thicker and heavier from the generation

  before it it really sticks out in

  hindsight because there's like this

  relentless model after model everything

  gets thinner and lighter and then

  there's the ipad which got thinner the

  first year then I suddenly got a little

  thicker and noticeably heavier to to

  accommodate the big battery that powers

  the the retina display rain and so

  that's why I and I ending like that the

  there's two questions people keep asking

  me about the the rumored as i call it

  ipad air and the two questions are I

  can't believe Apple would release a new

  device into this in late-2012 that's not

  retina when everything else has gone

  written across the board in iOS a and

  then be if the new ipod touch starts at

  299 how can the ipad air cost less than

  it those two quite i've gotten those two

  questions more I think than any

  questions I can remember in the history

  of daring fireball that they are so

  complain they're exactly almost phrase

  word for word the same way from readers

  well the ipod touch starts it right the

  newer new one starts at 299 the 199 ipod

  touches that the year old model is the

  previous generation

  that's right so i have answers to both

  of those things so on the retina front

  ok it's true that everything now is

  retina across-the-board the ipads retina

  the iphone thread them ended ipod

  touches retina but every single new form

  factor for an iOS device debuted

  non-retina and so I expect that to be

  the same for the ipad air and the second

  thing is I really does want the reason I

  called the ipad areas and so much that I

  think that's what they're going to call

  it although i wouldn't be surprised the

  only two names i expect them to either

  use is either call it the ipad air or

  just call it ipad and you just know the

  difference because this is the one

  that's cheaper and smaller and thinner

  and lighter but i do think though that

  the way they're going to pitch it at the

  appeal of it isn't so much about the

  physical size of it that it's 7.5 inches

  instead of nine point seven days only

  but about thinnest and lightness and

  that it's so much lighter and so much

  thinner than any other tablet on the

  market and to make it thin light it i

  think it has to be non-retina because

  that's that everything about the

  heaviness in thickness of the ipad 3 you

  know given what we know from the ifixit

  teardown is it's about the big honkin

  battery to power at all the the battery

  the larger batteries also for LTE yeah

  but look at the look at the so what you

  want my question is that what you think

  it would be this is another thing that

  came up because yes

  someone's house on the Arthur Ashe is

  Artyom Charles are Charles Arthur

  suggested that it would be i don't

  really i really don't i don't think so

  yeah but it could be but it could be I I

  could believe that i do you know if that

  that would help contribute to the

  thinnest and lightest but the the

  existence of the iphone 5 and it's than

  this in lightness and support for LTE

  makes me think that the the ipad air

  will have

  2e2 okay uh and you know it so I just

  don't expect them to say much about the

  fact that the display isn't retina

  failed i think that there will be nice

  things to say about it i think that I i

  would also think that in the interest of

  thinness and lightness i would not be

  surprised at all if they go with the new

  the the new technology that started this

  year with the idea i phone 5 where the

  touch sensors are integrated in the

  glass with the display as opposed to

  being a separate layer so it'll make the

  even though there won't be the retina

  pixel resolution the pixels will seem

  closer to the surface which isn't you

  know I'd another big part of the appeal

  i wouldn't be surprised if like the

  color quality was a lot like the IPS

  technology was a lot better than say the

  3gs which has that same pixel resolution

  that it will be yeah the resolution will

  be great but in other ways the display

  will be better than previous non-retina

  iOS did displays right it'll still be

  it'll be a good display just not that

  higher verbal resolution i predict if

  it's not if it's not too retina display

  that that will be that will be used as a

  right against I think definitely and

  people people will compare it to the

  Amazon HD devices and the kindle HD

  devices and say Apple blew it by not

  shipping a Retina display and then they

  also at the same token will not mention

  that the the kindle fires covered and

  that's but that's my contribution this

  conversation my cynicism about the

  modern state of Technology one degree

  that they are the ants on the inside or

  is it like a candy bar where they're

  crawling around the outside they're all


  that's the type of science I like to

  conduct as a kid I loved a and covered

  candy bar who didn't yes it was almost

  like a special kind of and like the tiny

  and not like a regular size and it was

  like the little mite right well the big

  ones are carpenter yeah they're like

  windy it's a little like it but it

  almost makes it seem like there's a kid

  and you know like just like it

  kids who eat all the candy in the human

  world it's the little little kid answer

  like to eat candy in the end Jared did

  you ever try and start at war know how

  would you do that man you'd find two and

  hills and mingling with them to each

  other either digga digga yeah basically

  all you're digging like at an orange or

  like sprinkles honey bright whenever

  something to get into to find each other

  yards to the battle

  I don't know that we ever successfully

  did that but i want a horrible thing to

  do but I know that we did take pickup

  you like we would pick up an appt from

  another and he'll take the corporates

  that see what would happen i don't

  remember what the results are better

  when he was a young child a bit dick

  cheney was very successful at that at

  that sort of a betty was really good at

  shooting frogs so on the pricing front

  on the pricing front what I think is

  don't overthink it right everybody this

  is this idea that everybody seems to

  have in our heads that if the new ipad

  ipod touches 299 then how can the ipad

  air be less than that if it's bigger and

  I I say don't overthink it and a don't

  overthink it and be smaller is cheaper

  like a 13-inch macbook is going to cost

  less than the 15-inch macbook the

  11-inch macbook air is going to cost

  less than the 13-inch macbook air

  smaller is cheaper but miniature is

  expensive right

  it's not just that the ipod touch is not

  just smaller ipad it's a miniature

  miniaturization is expensive right so if

  you get like a slightly smaller camera

  it's maybe it's cheaper but if you get

  like a little like spy camera that's

  more expensive it's expensive to

  miniaturize things also the capacity the

  starting capacity of the new ipod

  touches 32 gigabytes that's true too

  so if it was a 16 gig tablet right and

  here's the second case so let's say that

  the new ipad air starts at 249 or even

  let's just just for the sake of argument

  let's say it starts all the way at 199

  for a 16 gigabyte version so it's a

  hundred dollars cheaper than the new

  ipod touch

  so what's the worst-case scenario of the

  people who think that this is a problem

  that this bigger and therefore more

  appealing device is even is also cheaper

  if somebody comes in and was thinking

  well by the ipod touch and instead I

  well why don't I just buy this thing

  it's only 199 i'll save money and get a

  bigger screen

  well guess what they just walked out of

  the apple store buying an ipad like

  that's a wind doesn't matter which one

  you bought it if you go in the store and

  buy one of these things and walk out

  your Apple count that as a win

  it doesn't matter if if if the new ipad

  air completely cannibalizing sales of

  the ipod touch

  well that's great because it's an apple

  product doing it like I I don't

  overthink it as long as people are

  buying any of them

  it's a win for apple and they're


  I mean there's also exactly what you

  cannot put it doesn't matter how thin

  right you cannot shove an ipad air and

  put in your pocket you can I don't think

  you can put it on your arm unless you're


  unless you're running there's no art is

  not going to be an armband accessory

  that you can I hope not i bet somebody

  will do it you seen those people who

  take me with the item every single time

  we'd have an event it at school and you

  know yeah over the summer yeah we were

  at the pumpkin we're at the pumpkin

  farmer this weekend and there were

  people taking taking videos of like that

  the pig ran so that's why I'm a little

  hesitant because it to predict that

  there won't be any armbands right


  I'm saying there will be i'm going to

  come out i'm going to come out strongly

  in favor of there being any not in favor

  of them would it be an armed man would

  be like a fanny pack

  oh but I guess it would be like a

  reverse fanny pack that because you want

  to like look down at your belly too

  yeah that's thatthat's thatthat's the

  trying and you know what you would want

  is you would you will or like up you

  look at all your Howard you'd want to

  like a orientation lock it upside down

  so that you can look down at your belly

  and yeah and give me a lot of accidents

  run because i do i am that's why has it

  not to predict because before i actually

  saw all these people in the real world

  using their their iPads cameras

  including value said video cameras

  whether it's just they're just walking

  around with it yeah I laughed at the

  demands that you know after the original

  iPad that didn't have a camera i laughed

  at the demands that everybody said this

  thing needs a camera on the back because

  i thought who the hell what the hell is

  anybody ever gonna use it

  I don't think I've used I've used I've

  used the front facing camera for

  facetime but I right everybody's facing

  camera makes told her always made total

  sense to me the rear the demand that

  have your hammers on both sides i mean

  it's you know you can claim chowder me

  on and I I thought it was ridiculous

  I really did and I again if I if I got

  an ipad that had like a broken rear

  camera I don't even know if I would

  notice it unless i accidentally hit the

  camera reverse button on the on the

  phone and I've done I've done that

  because you know I call my brother or

  something facetime my brother and then I

  want to show my kid sitting there

  playing yeah I like this but it for the

  most part though but it's not it's not a

  huge and we just turn around and use the

  the front-facing camera exactly yeah

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  what's your opinion on the ipad pricing

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  ipad pricing but it will what I think

  that the there whatever you want to call

  it is going to be alright so I'm gonna

  go to the ice cream is my guess i would

  love it

  they don't have a lot of probably don't

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  they like they like the 1099 but they

  have a couple like the nano starts it

  149 and there's something else but

  there's a there's a couple and I that

  seems to be 16 gigabyte 250 i think it's

  it's got to be one of three things

  either 199 249 for 299 but 299 seems too

  high and i don't think that if it were I

  don't think that if let's say worst case

  scenario the starting price is 299 I

  don't think that means oh it's this is

  apple's this is the end of Apple as we

  know it because everybody's going to buy

  it a kindle fire or a nexus 7 instead

  they'd still sell a lot of a 299 but I

  almost feel like that if they started at

  299 it would have to be 32 gigs and then

  why not just have one that's cheaper and

  16 gifts

  I don't know

  yeah I don't know either island here's

  the other thing I want to talk to you

  about John's I want to talk to you about

  the stand and it's like my my stick of

  the month is what is it about Apple that

  makes people lose their minds and this

  has always been the case right but it i

  mean NEVER people there was a thing in 4

  lits this month where but that's that's

  really the obvious i'm not going to have

  a home for Tim Cook to be fired

  well he did yeah he said in the way and

  also the way you said it was was

  ridiculous because he said that Steve

  Jobs yeah for really seventy-eight

  percent year-over-year increase in stock

  price record-breaking ipad

  record-breaking I've new iphone and a I

  think very well received a mountain lion

  update to the mac and iOS 6 update to

  all the iOS devices all in here and then

  the guy should be fired because there's

  some scratches on some of the black

  iphone and and there's no hey if you

  shoot right into a light source

  sometimes you get a purple fringe on

  what everybody else otherwise agrees is

  the best camera ever to ship in a mobile

  phone fire to cook assemble it's just I

  mean they obviously we're all sick and

  tired of people trying to tell us what

  Steve Jobs with I like I did for see it

  I meeting everybody knew that after he

  died that any hiccup any minor hiccup

  along the way was going to have some

  people saying this wouldn't happen if

  steve jobs around but I have to admit

  I'm surprised by how vociferous that

  that sentiment is every single time

  there's anything vaguely

  less-than-stellar not even bad just like

  yeah you know it that it's all this

  wouldn't happen under steve jobs all


  like I don't understand this is the guy

  Steve Jobs was the guy who made the

  Dalmatian imac alright but the flower of

  wooden it would they were at the same

  time right one was down the hour and one

  are flowers right wasn't it flowers on

  the other one

  yeah Danny idea i don't agree i don't

  remember the flowered one because when i

  saw the donation when my eyes went blind

  right yeah I don't remember what the

  pattern was why do you think why do you

  think that n is it and do you think i'm

  right though that Apple makes people

  write things that are way more stupid

  than any other company like I don't

  think anybody's really well it's hard to


  hard to say because we don't follow

  other things as closely as we follow

  Apple but yes let's say I say yes

  absolutely i but i don't know Microsoft

  a little i mean i can't say i'm super

  close but I follow google pretty pretty

  well too and I you know maybe I don't

  write about him so much but i read an

  awful lot about it and I can't think of

  anything equivalent to that

  yeah well again like the cowboys and the

  Yankees it's more of a lightning run it

  just seems to attract much more

  attention and what was the article that

  that Stuart and I don't know if its

  attention Stewart wrote in new york

  times last week and then Glenn

  fleischmann sort of took it apart very

  very politely and way more politely than

  you and I can never bear to do in great

  it's right

  do you remember that article and yeah I

  remember him writing that was that about

  hold on a second here we have a little

  bit of dead space but we're gonna we're

  gonna we're gonna find it yeah

  talk amongst yourselves speak a time for

  the listeners at home to this is my

  headline was I asked sing a little sick

  and ask what is it about Apple that

  causes people to lose their minds is

  james stewart's new york times

  common-sense column titled apples Maps

  and jobs is shadow and and it

  I mean he even said that the apples Maps

  thing could raise antitrust concerns

  that was it and that was it and he

  didn't understand in seem to understand

  the fact that it was tied to ios6 since

  then not at the iphone 5 and he didn't

  seem to understand the fact that Apple

  had made the original apps no app and

  then it was just changing data right and

  it was changing the app to but it was

  but the bigger problem was that it was

  changing data and the data wasn't quite

  as good as Google's the right uh you

  know what here's the other thing too

  about this and I guess maps is maybe the

  best example because maybe I think that

  the people who are arguing that blank

  would have happened if steve jobs around

  that they seem most convinced on the

  maps front that this maps thing would

  not have happened if Steve Jobs was

  around and it

  hey that's boggle it boggles my mind

  because don't doesn't everybody remember

  mobileme which ships under i think steve

  jobs but the other thing that people

  don't seem to realize and I think it was

  absolutely positively part of steve jobs

  is genius was that yes he absolutely was

  a perfectionist

  he demanded perfection but the other

  thing was that he had a he was compelled

  to ship right like the worst kind of

  perfectionist is the obsessive

  perfectionist who goes away and works

  and works and works and never releases

  the damn thing right and and just from

  my own list of personal obsessions I

  think that kind of explains the the

  significant drop often in productivity

  of stanley kubrick over the last two

  decades of his career right that he was

  fairly prolific up until the shining

  1980 and then from 1980 until his death

  in 1999 only had two more movies he had

  full metal jacket in 86 87 and then eyes

  wide shut in 99 that he went to six

  years between movies and 12 years

  between movies and that they're all

  these rumors about other things that had

  been warned

  hang on but that he'd kind of I think

  painted himself into this perfectionist

  corner where it it it knowing that he

  was no longer community ship a movie

  that it was more you know to focus on

  and jobs never had that problem jobs

  love to ship things right they do is

  famously with the you know with the

  early Apple the early eighties this

  mantra of real artist ship and I think

  that's like the best type of

  perfectionist to be that you're

  demanding perfection but you're also

  demanding to ship now and so of course

  he would have shipped maps i wouldn't be

  surprised if he would have shifted


  yeah the other example I mean is it is

  Santana gate which was not as big a deal

  as everybody made it but still there was

  there was there was a legitimate flaw in

  the phone that they it's just a flaw

  that everybody else had the same time

  right but they did correct it quickly

  you could argue that they shipped it a

  little bit too soon because it really

  when they fixed it wasn't even it didn't

  even take a four-year they should they

  fixed it with the the verizon iphone for

  yea which had the antenna that they

  eventually used for everybody else in

  the iphone 4s the one worth the

  different differently position

  separators between the frame and the

  antennas right but yeah so they knew

  they were onto something there is like a

  hundred percent certainty that they were

  onto something really really useful for

  all of their design goals by moving this

  did that the cell antennas to the frame

  of the device but it you know clearly

  wasn't perfect yet and they shipped it

  it'sit's yeah it's an astounding sort of

  lack of understanding of what actually

  happened to the company over the past

  right you know the time since since you

  can go over jobs his whole career but

  particularly the time since he came back

  there's this mythology that everything

  that Apple ship was perfect and it so

  people like us don't even say that

  right exactly as the people who truly

  understand the company know

  that the secret was you know and again

  to bring it back to baseball it its and

  nobody gets on base every time they're

  up it's just about having a

  significantly higher batting average

  than everybody else you know that there

  was there they were right and continue

  to be right at a way more often than one

  they're all better better than 112 in

  the postseason

  yes definitely and the other thing that

  they've always been very good at and to

  me this is more the warning sign and to

  me like for example the the open letter

  from tim cook on maps is a sign of that

  that Apple is doing very well is that

  they've always been very good at being

  honest with themselves about where they

  have fallen short or where they were

  wrong and correcting it so it obvious

  examples i forget which generation was

  but remember the 1i hard drive based

  ipod I think it might have been the

  third generation one where they they

  added these four touch sensitive buttons

  above the click wheel instead of hell

  yeah yeah I have one of those

  ah it was a very confusing design and it

  was can always confused me because it

  somehow it it i don't know like which

  button to push it which time seemed

  confusing and everybody had a lot of

  problems with the fact that they were

  capacitive buttons rather than buttons

  that clicked so that people were like

  their skin would touch these buttons and

  that you know the wrong thing would

  happen songs would pause to go back in

  the menu and you didn't want to just

  because your skin touch this button so

  everybody i think it agrees it was a

  worse design and what they had before

  and they scrapped it you know they went

  back the next year to the way it was

  before it was like it never happened and

  the time the tiny the the button list

  ipod touch of now with execution shuffle

  exactly was another one right

  similarly failed right concept about

  instead of doubling down on it or

  digging in or refusing to admit it was

  like okay that was a bad idea let's go

  back here is all your buttons on

  yourself partner

  yeah yeah ipod shuffle again

  I think time after time that they've had

  that you know that Dave you know when

  they've made mistakes they they

  recognize them and move on

  would you think would you count last

  year's ipod nano i know a lot of people

  really liked that i did not i didn't

  that did not impress me particularly I

  think they dropped the video i think was

  really baffling to me yeah I i think it

  made for I have one and I do like it but

  to me it isn't an ipod nano it's it's an

  ipod shuffle yeah it exists as ipod

  shuffle the screen right and you know

  presumably the screen is significantly i

  can only assume is significantly more

  expensive component wise than the just

  simple clicking buttons that are on the

  actual shuffle as we know it and the

  shuffle is about hitting you know what

  it was a shuffle cell phone Alex 79

  bucks 69 bucks maybe less

  right but they can't I don't think they

  could I don't think that they could

  replace the shuffle with last year's

  nano with the little tiny stamp postage

  stamp touchscreen 4949 dollars how much

  $49 on shuffle so there you go

  yeah they couldn't I don't think they

  could sell that for forty nine dollars

  and make a profit so that's why it's not

  but I do i bought it treating it as a

  the way that I treated by previous ipod

  shuffle step shuffle with a screen which

  is cool because i can read that one

  almost in the podcast i can don't have

  to take a guess as to whether this is

  the newest episode of whatever podcast i

  can read it and say okay I know that

  this is it but yeah it's another example

  I think of of acknowledging a mistake

  because yeah it's so good it's kind of

  weird how they've gone back and forth

  over the years of whether or not the

  ipod nano is meant to play video in

  addition to audio so yes now you can do

  video and they're like no now you can't

  do video just audio now they're like

  this year's like definitely video but i

  agree it's gonna I mean it's got a

  weekend is going to need that they have

  is this category that is sort of like i

  think is a baby changes everything

  changes valuating accompany the two

  things you really want is you want them


  be right most of the time and you want

  them to be very good at correcting

  themselves when they're wrong the rest

  of the time like it's not realistic to

  expect the company to be right all the

  time because nobody is it's impossible

  to know but no organization or

  individual in history has is right all

  of the time you know it's the way I

  think I and and you i would also say

  conduct ourselves as writer so we try to

  be right most of the time but if we are

  wrong about something you just put it

  out there make fun of yourself you know

  you're right now apologize if it was you

  know something that would that would

  require yeah but you don't dig it i did

  that i did that just the other day what

  was that about that well when I was on

  that documentary that welcome to

  macintosh documentary they had asked me

  about this is back in 2006 when I was

  interviewed and didn't come out for

  having another year and a half or

  something and they asked me to what

  would that would be like without Steve

  Jobs was back in 2006 the arrest in this

  question and and I said I didn't think

  they'd be able to keep up the pace and

  this is before the I you know I made it

  went back when the hits that Apple had

  right much you know much fewer yeah

  especially baby was doing better with

  the mac and they had they had the IP had

  the ipod yeah and if it was 2006 it was

  pre iphone yeah it's pretty slippery

  happen so you know i'm a guy got myself

  a little slack but still it was not the

  prettiest thing I've ever said yeah but

  that's you know I don't see how else to

  be a note so it's not worth it don't

  look for pundit to write all of the time

  look for pundit to write most of the

  time and who when they're wrong get on

  top of it right and it's amazing to me

  that the new york times seems to be

  coming out a lot of this stuff it does

  you to pieces within like a couple weeks

  that were just real grown really really

  yeah one thing I found is somebody

  pointed out some reader pointed out to

  me the james b stewart that got the

  columnist to the common sense columnist

  with it but it's

  with the common-sense columnist is

  apparently previously written about he

  is he's an Android guy and I think that

  that sort of gets to the heart of the

  the what makes these people lose their

  minds is that it's this irrational app

  anti-apple mindset that if you're going

  to start with the assumption that

  there's something wrong with apple and

  something wrong like I've often said

  that there's this implicit insinuation

  that there's something wrong with people

  who choose apple products and a lot of

  these peoples explanations for why Apple

  products are so successful well it all

  starts with the fact that their

  customers are fanatics an axe that's

  yeah that's my favorite is that they

  they will go on to tell you all the

  horrible things about the new iphone

  right when they come out with something

  you know and it doesn't compare to the

  galaxy s3 or whatever because whatever

  reason and but but they'll sell a lot of

  them because the fanboys right they'll

  sit those they'll sell a couple million

  of them to their fanatics

  30 35 million a quarter but perfect

  right the apple for the Apple faithful

  is the energy and will say without any

  irony out any sense of irony know now

  I'd such right now how do you how do

  people get their be who are brainwashed

  by but if you start with that if that's

  your starting point is one of your

  things that you're going to file as a

  fact that these people are the real like

  religious faithful then all sorts of

  once you start that with with a bad

  assumption like that that you're

  unwilling to backtrack from or examine

  at a distance and reconsider perhaps

  then it's easy to start down a path

  where you end up with let's shitcan Tim

  Cook back i had it before the company's

  totally ruined

  we need to bring in somebody for you

  must just laughs he must just they

  should bring in somebody sony somebody

  who knows how someone knows michael dell

  that get Michael Dell in there I one

  last thing

  here's the one last thing and I've

  tweeted this and everybody out there if

  you listen to the show you should follow

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  like I didn't have a show last week

  maybe you are distressed about that

  maybe you're confused but if you follow

  me on twitter at the talk show you would

  have known that there was gonna show

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  like that happen and i have tweeted this

  but many of you maybe don't listen to it

  that everybody listens to the show what

  you should go do is look at the time get

  a babysitter

  you gotta go see two movies you want to

  see the master by Paul Thomas Anderson

  Anderson great movie Adamle cigar was on

  the show months ago when the trailer

  came out and we talked about it

  well now the movies out in theaters

  we've seen it Adam Lisa gore is going to

  be back on the show and we're going to

  talk about it but we're also going to

  talk about another new movie called

  looper and that's by writer-director

  ryan Johnson Ryan with an i and this is

  unbelievable it's almost hard to believe

  but as another guest on the show with

  Adam is going to be a writer director of

  looper ryan Johnson and so the three of

  us are going to talk about the master

  we're going to talk about lupus whole

  thing is going to be very spoiler if so

  you want to see these movies before you

  listen to the show and you definitely

  want to see both of these movies now you

  have you seen unbelievable I've seen

  looper I've not seen the master yet but

  I've seen looper it's good good movie

  and you should go

  don't take my word for it just to

  understand that if Bruce Willis's in the

  movie and it's about time travel you

  know it's going to be good you know it's

  going to be good

  bruce willis time travel and and

  that can go wrong you can't go wrong so

  I'm very excited about that but that's I

  got to get this out here you gotta know

  this if you're listening to show you

  want to see these movies before you

  listen to the show

  all right I say we call it a show John

  good work

  all right swing for the fences