The Talk Show

17: The iPhone 5 , with MG Siegler


  I'm a hypocrite if I if I want to

  continue to poopoo everybody who

  complains about things like the new

  lightning adapter and new magsafe for

  the retina macbook pro but that I still

  want to complain that it took me 10

  minutes to get set up here because i'm

  recording on the macbook air but i only

  had the retina adapter here at this desk

  so you had to do it you have a an

  adapter for the the light media know all

  i have is the one USB to lightning cable

  that comes in the iphone box yet so it

  actually and I even mentioned in my

  review if anything I feel like it almost

  gave me a better stress test of the

  battery because yes so that our you make

  sure the way I'm you don't have someone

  with you at all points right like I'll

  go downstairs and we have one in the

  kitchen and if I make coffee or

  something in the morning I'll just you

  know I'll just put my phone in there for

  five minutes and you know give it five

  minutes jus sit here and there because

  why not there's a cable right there

  yeah I'm most concerned for my you know

  work and it going to these tech

  conferences because right now you don't

  even think twice about it if you didn't

  put the the charger in your bag there's

  going to be two hundred other people who

  have one right and now there will be

  significantly less at least for the

  first pursuit weeks at least

  so yeah and the other thing that I'm

  worried about in the interim I mean and

  obviously this will be a moot point

  hopefully by Christmas i would think but

  the fact that there's nothing like a

  month yes yes I was just talking about

  that today to arm i wonder how quick i

  don't think anyone's talk to them that

  there would be a good story to see how

  quickly they'll all come out with their

  thing they had to have obviously been at

  the kind of listening to the rumors and

  knowing the specs and everything and

  hopefully getting something ready to go

  I don't know how far along that those

  some case makers you know as as we help

  goin and Asia seem to go they just go

  out and make it like based on

  even rumored specs I didn't like play

  blackjack with it they don't know if

  movies a company like that because

  there's a little bit more involved with

  the the power angle of it so and plus

  they didn't have the new dock connector

  so that's that's actually a big

  undertaking for them i wonder how

  quickly they can get one out

  yeah I wonder and I would you know and

  it's also like sort of a black box what

  Apple's relationship is with those

  companies like yeah I are there any of

  them that are actually in good enough

  graces that maybe they got small heads

  up i know ya know a lot of people at

  Apple use movies just like the rest of

  us too so that could be some sort of

  indicator I'm surprised what do you

  think about why doesn't Apple just do a

  case like that

  why leave this in so many people use you

  know a a case battery charger thing why

  not why not move into that at all as

  add-on accessory totally optional of

  course but don't you think that I i

  think it's probably a perception issue

  right that you have you sold one yeah it

  would create the perception that the

  phone needs

  yep I actually also think that's why

  they've gotten away from the bumpers is

  that I feel like the way that the bumper

  thing turned out is that people thought

  that a lot of people took it as meaning

  that the phone needs a bumper or a case

  of some sort right and the whole

  antennagate thing which was really just

  a coincidence right

  I'm convinced i I've talked to people on

  and off the record at apple and I'm

  convinced that the fact that the bumper

  alleviated the attenuation was it's just

  a coincidence they made the bumper

  because they thought they could make a

  lot of money selling bumpers two people

  yep and that they look kind of cool and

  because they thought I the aesthetically

  hey everybody's buying cases for the

  phones already they're going to keep

  buying cases no matter what we do but we

  put a lot of effort into this beautiful

  glass bat right let's make one that

  shows it off and show that ok we even if

  you do want a case for protective


  you don't have to cover up the whole

  back of the phone

  and then the antennagate thing hit and

  it was all just coincidence but it

  created the perception and you'll never

  be able to convince the people who

  believe this otherwise that Apple knew

  all along right at the iphone 4 needed a

  bumper because otherwise it wouldn't

  hold right and now that's probably just

  you know up being blown even more out

  now that affect this one doesn't have it

  because you know maybe they better fix

  it this time

  cool still one of my all-time favorite

  moments at an apple event was the

  antenna great one when they when they

  took questions and I i remember me i

  remember i think you're sitting kind of

  close to each other yeah right ah and I

  asked do you guys use the bumper and it

  was jobs filler and Bob manchild Cook

  was up there wasn't he

  I don't have anything that was I think

  Bob Marley wasn't maybe it was jobs

  cooking mansfield definitely was

  I'm sure there's a picture somewhere we

  could find yeah and they instead of

  really answering i'll just reached into

  their jeans and pulled them out and they

  all had you know iphone 4s with no

  bumper funny i can just google

  interrogate that's the size of course

  what it's called so let's see if I had


  Harper and I did regret there was

  something i would have it was to close

  jobs and Bob Mansfield huh yep I've my

  my regret on that incident though is

  that I didn't follow up with are you

  worried that this free bumper program is

  going to create the perception that you

  need the bumper and I didn't ask that

  and nobody quite ask that and I would

  you know such a rare case that you

  actually got to ask questions yeah at an


  yeah but anyway no that's why i think

  apple doesn't do the battery pack thing

  themselves I think they're happy to

  leave that to third parties and sell

  them in the store and still make some

  money on yeah yeah I'm excited for for a

  new movie just for when i travel you

  know the little ones will hit on it a

  little bit the battery with this phone

  but uh I mean there's just no getting

  around it even if it's a great battery

  you're going to need you're traveling

  you're going to need it some kind of you

  know extra mophie or bring your power

  cable with you right if you're far away

  from for 12 hours right

  I I in in you know as the years have

  gone on at least since mophie these

  movie things existed i don't remember

  them in the 3gs era if they if they

  existed i didn't have used to have like

  I think you stuck on the bottom they

  definitely had one because i had not a

  mophie but it was something that and I

  remember because it had like a curved

  back to to you know perfectly place in

  the curve back of the the 3g and 3gs it

  was it didn't have a top to it so it's

  kind of just like a bottom thing but

  yeah definitely wasn't I i think it's it

  it's one of those things that I i'm

  guessing you're going to agree with me

  and then it's going to make the people

  who still complain that the iphone

  doesn't have a replaceable battery and

  you know it is half an inch thick want

  to strangle us but I think it's actually

  a very graceful solution to the protein

  problem where day-to-day i love how thin

  the iphone is i will really love how

  much thinner die from five is and I get

  through the day with plenty of battery

  life I mean we're recording at 725

  Eastern as

  we record and I've got what I don't have

  the percentage on but it looks like I've

  got at least seventy percent battery

  life left

  yep and then on this phone and that's

  typical for me I'd i usually make it

  through the day and have half a charge

  left no project and on days like you

  said conferences are killer and you know

  like going to WTC or something like that

  there's no way i could make it through

  the day and i'm often you're not even

  near your you know in the middle of the

  conferencing you don't have a plug-in


  the movie is a great solution to that

  yep so you know it might go to a

  conference instead of having my nice

  thin iphone I've got a big fat iphone

  with the case right and that's like yeah

  people don't really talk about that but

  that has you know it's just a different

  solution you either you either have to

  carry around a second battery which were

  you know be smaller than a mophie but

  the movie has you know the benefit of

  being the case if you want to use a case

  that will protect the phone a bit and

  it's you know in the case of the the

  last movie that I had which was kind of

  a not there's a super thin one and then

  there's like a state more standard

  thicker one that's like a charge an

  extra charge and a half so it's even

  better than having a secondary battery

  which would only be another one charge

  right and you don't have to power your

  phone down to swap it out and I don't

  know every time I test one of these

  other phones and I have to like a lot of

  these some of the phones even come

  without the battery in it and you have

  to go yeah most likely uh what was the

  most recent 1i have is the galaxy nexus

  s and that back you know they get

  probably the next to scout the Galaxy

  Nexus I mean yes our galaxy nexus the

  back is awful

  it's like oh I've got it right here and

  just took it off and I had every time I

  do it I feel like I can't believe that I

  didn't just know it feels it's like

  ripping off a sturdy band-aid band-aid

  that's been like solidified by something

  like popping or like the kind of

  band-aids they give you at a at a


  you know like that like induct industry

  industrial-strength band-aid

  yeah I can't believe I'm not breaking

  off those little flimsy side hinges when

  I'm taking everything apart now I think

  it's a good solution but it is true

  though that when they change the

  yeah the form factor you're in that were

  in this like limbo right now I don't

  have any extra juice

  I wonder if someone will make candy if

  the adapters come out first get a a

  30-pin to lightning adapter and stick

  that in there most control and kinda you

  know balance the the iphone 5 within an

  old movie just about the top on or

  something like that

  yeah I don't know so i figured that and

  i think the shining we can easily fill

  the whole show with this there's no

  reason for us to rehash our reviews of

  the the iphone or iOS 6 I thought you

  know I think everybody's going to read


  why don't we take questions we can

  answer you know talk about stuff that

  maybe we didn't address yep and i said i

  got we have plenty of questions on

  Twitter we could go through i have one

  for you though and I didn't see anybody

  ask it and it's one of those things that

  maybe doesn't occur to people because I

  didn't never really occurred to me until

  i started reviewing these phones but the

  first 1i got to review before it came

  out was the the verizon iphone 4 and

  then I got the 4s last year and that

  question didn't come up with those

  because they were visually identical to

  the iphone 4 on AT&T that was already up

  before so i could just sit there and use

  it in public and nobody would ever think

  about right but I wondered with this one

  whether they were going to give us any

  rules on where we can take it out what

  we can do and they didn't really yeah

  says there was more rules about what you

  can but it was mostly about sharing

  photos it seemed like because there

  would be the the kind of the data

  attached to it we're going to tell

  potentially that it's a different type

  of coming from a different type of

  advice but yeah there were there were no

  really no rules about that you know i

  was obviously that you told to kind of

  be careful and not show it to anyone

  besides you know your significant other

  family if you're living at home but ya

  know and this is it makes testing a kind

  of tricky for you know one day I took it

  out to take a panoramic picture to try

  and test that out

  I made sure to go to a secluded area you

  know kind of far away where no one could

  possibly tell when I was actually using

  to take take the thing with and a few

  times you know I just have it in my hand

  in my pocket kind of be using that the

  earpiece for like streaming music if I

  was trying to do that i really wasn't

  secretive about it i just used it

  whenever I would use an iphone i didn't

  try to cover up the back or anything and

  nobody said anything and I think in

  general it looks enough like the iphone

  4 and 4s that I I can't even imagine I

  think you'd have to be really really in


  yeah you have to see both you know

  someone who's watching apple news

  closely and closely enough to know

  exactly what this new device looks like

  what's exactly different about it and I

  think the back is different enough to

  like for example today you know the

  first day we could kind of walk around

  just normally with it i was using it on

  the the kind of community here and

  definitely getting a bunch of looks like

  but San Francisco is also a place where

  you know tech-heavy crowd especially in

  between where i was going to the soma

  area so definitely got that was a god

  but I bet that's very different than

  yeah yeah it would be it would be pretty

  dangerous i think to try and you know

  walk around just with it out before the

  before the reviews come out because I

  think someone would you know figure out

  what you're doing and I do i I walk

  around the city and i use it but I

  really do try to be cognizant while I'm

  walking and using my iphone of that

  whole issue of you know somebody walking

  by swiping it out of your hand and

  taking all right I all I do I mean I you

  know I'm sure that there's times when i

  get engrossed in what I'm looking at the

  where where maybe I'm susceptible to

  that but I'm with this 1i was so super

  paranoid depressed because I just all I

  could think of is how awful that phone

  call would be and i'll bet Apple would

  be really nice but

  it's like that's a phone call you do not

  want to make now is haha which makes it

  all the more incredible that it was an

  apple engineer who you know is the one

  is of of someone losing it

  we're at a bar yeah like there is no way

  that i want to be that guy no definitely


  yeah i think that i think i think i

  tested the the iphone 4 so that was

  slightly different and significantly

  different but people that already you

  know kind of seen it because the Apple

  engineer collected in the bar right yeah

  and the other thing too and I mentioned

  this on the show I think with molt's two

  weeks ago and again I don't think I'm

  spilling any secret but to my knowledge

  nobody none of the people in the press

  get seeded with a review unit until

  after the event

  yes as far as i know is trill but but

  you know like I saw Pogue coming out

  before me I mean so you know I mean just

  don't think there's anybody in the list

  higher than pose right you know and it

  just makes sense and that's what you

  know we all had six days everybody who

  got a review unit got it last wednesday

  after the event or later

  yea though I don't know if I'm you know

  just thinking about this remembering it

  differently but it seems to me that you

  know back in the day when maybe even the

  first iphone reviews are coming out and


  there was a obviously they had a

  different kind of crew some of the same

  people pogin mossberg i'm sure you know

  had their review units but i think that

  is smaller you know crew of people

  reviewing it and even they do now and I

  want to say that they had it for a

  longer amount of time but that was also

  a kind of a weird situation because that

  first one of course they unveiled in

  january and that didn't launch until

  June yeah that's a good question i

  wonder when those original iphone review

  unit went out yeah i think they had them

  for a longer time but maybe I'm wrong

  about that I i think they might have to

  and I know that Apple i know that there

  was a lot more

  hand holding the internet maybe not

  handling is wrong term but that like I

  help like the one that the guys who

  lived in New York who got them i know

  Steven Steven Levy was one that there

  were Apple engineers who went to New

  York for the period with the entire

  period of the review in case something

  he encountered any kind of problem or

  anything like that yeah and remember

  there were there was like pictures i

  think there's a picture of steve jobs

  like a little league baseball game using


  no as soccer soccer yeah I know that's

  right it's terrible that I even

  recognize the soccer but you know so he

  had no problem using it out in public

  because again it already been unveiled

  funny that it is one of the best

  pictures i can remember of jobs because

  it really seems like over the years

  there were very few like casual pictures

  of him in his private life yeah and you

  know it's to the credit of the tech

  industry that it's nothing like

  Hollywood where there's any kind of a

  paparazzi culture right and who else

  would they really be I mean jobs maybe

  that's why is that jobs may be the only

  guy who in the history of silicon valley

  who if there had been a paparazzi

  industry people would have found it

  right it was just a guy is just another

  guy at the soccer game and there's a

  picture of Steve Jobs using an iphone

  before the iphone right right

  the ultimate humble person I gotta put

  that in the show notes so yeah I I book

  i tried to go through and put a lot of

  questions coming at us I tried to

  bookmark a few of them as well but i

  know you went through and start some of

  your your favorites because he's been

  coming in for a couple hours now so I

  think you know the first thing we should

  probably address though is the is the

  map situation because as expected that's

  another thing that everyone is talking

  about right now and then some people are

  up in arms and your dash disposed

  there's there's one on techcrunch that

  even have any red yet but it's a it's

  pretty you know scathing review of of

  what's going on with the map situation

  so which probably and heels was pretty

  good and his example is pretty pretty

  damning where he lives in Manhattan and

  searched for

  something-something Lexington and it did

  came up it as whatever lexington avenue

  in brooklyn

  yep which is really really a bad guess

  and it is exactly the sort of thing that

  google is good and not just maps but in

  anything we're just with a little bit of

  contact right of hey you're in manhattan

  and if you're searching for some number

  Lexington you almost certainly mean

  lexington avenue in manhattan right and

  it's because they have years and years

  worth of data now to show exactly what

  people are likely to be looking for

  based on not only you know search

  queries but location of that an apple is

  is new to this so that's a that's going

  to be one of those unfortunate kinda

  early road bumps which you know is

  something that I you have to imagine

  will get better of course it will

  um but yeah that's that's gonna be a

  really annoying thing have you run into

  any anything like that any any major

  issues like an in Philadelphia's it is

  or is it really you know what in bed

  testing it out day-to-day in philly I

  just walk everywhere

  ninety percent of the time and it's been

  fine yep and it's you know it's good but

  it philly is like Manhattan into grid

  city so it's really really it's not a

  stress test for mapping it's not like

  Boston we did the driving did I use the

  term by term on saturday morning and he

  had we had to go over to New Jersey

  because my wife was raising funds for

  this charity walk and we have to get

  there in New Jersey is kind of notorious

  notoriously bad driving State and be

  number one that people who live there

  just awful drivers and yeah i know that

  you know there's people who live in New

  Jersey who listen to the show but you

  guys you guys know it's true you guys

  terrible that I and it's it's a

  turnaround state where it almost

  everywhere you're never allowed to make

  a left turn you've got to go past the

  intersection and go to a turnaround

  right so that you're making a right

  right a right to make a left which is

  why in my opinion everybody in New

  Jersey is a terrible drivers because

  they never learn how to make it

  after and it is the turn-by-turn

  directions were great until the very

  very end and then it just sort of but

  it's like got us really close and we

  there's no way to actually turn on the

  road we wanted to me and I think what

  happened is it got confused by the whole

  turnaround thing like it did I think it

  put us right where we wanted to be but

  on the other side of the road and it was

  you know we just kind of had eyeball it

  from there

  you know like like a bunch of monkeys

  who don't even have you know computer

  and driving instruction right like the

  old days right

  I so that was the one that was one

  hiccup but other than that it i haven't

  run into it but i'm not really a heavy

  maps user I wasn't sure how else to test

  it i mean i type some things in

  philadelphia i type you know how to walk

  to city hall and it you know gave me

  exactly the right directions to City


  yep yeah and i am i'm pretty much the

  same way I views i use the driving

  directions once we were at a wedding

  this weekend and we kind of used it to

  get there and work perfectly

  I was you know really happy with the way

  it worked especially you can go you know

  going to other apps and do something and

  it keeps learning you when when it needs

  to alert you and it's great that works

  lockscreen great so that's great that it

  works horizontally as well as vertically

  and as I had no problem with any of that

  it was also you know the maps themselves

  were pretty good in here in carmell

  which is a less populated area than san

  francisco and i was able to find you

  know these small little restaurant so

  we're going to it all seemed to be there

  and and work just fine to get us to

  those places

  san francisco have used it on a pretty

  good amount of times now the one thing I

  haven't tried too much is the the immune

  system here that's not because I don't

  think that you know i just i think that

  the meat system itself kinda sucks and I

  don't I never use google maps for it

  because it's just hard to know if the

  media is actually working on that day

  and they have pretty bad data sharing

  for that kind of information and so

  that's the thing that has everyone up in

  arms are one of the major things that

  have as everyone up in arms as well is

  of course the the public transportation

  stuff and apples said they're going to

  partner with third-parties on it i think

  some of those are starting to go live

  I don't

  I don't think that they were alive they

  work they certainly weren't live leading

  up to the reviews i looked for a few

  things and nothing was was ready to go

  yet just said it was kind of a blank

  screen in the transit area

  yeah same with passbook yeah I actually

  hear that I got some us i got them to

  send me some demo things for passbook

  right before the thing and that's the

  network seems to work well and I think

  some of those apps are going live right

  now too but the transit stuff is

  problematic though I've already someone

  you know buzz Anderson actually tweeted

  out earlier to look at this app called

  transit which i just downloaded and this

  thing is pretty slick-looking it updates

  in real-time

  it's optimized for the iphone 5 screen

  already I mean this looks this i'm going

  to get a lot of shit for this but this

  looks better than anything in the

  transit aspect of google maps that i was

  using previously within ios5 and before

  that so you know and as it work across

  cities right now it's you know it's just

  kind of locating you and it's located me

  in san francisco and it's showing me the

  nearest bus routes and its hiding 32

  more just in case i want to search for

  something then you can also search I

  could try like looking up New York but

  you know it's San Francisco is at San

  Francisco only or would it work in other

  major cities i believe it works in every

  major city is and it's actually using

  it's powered by four square data which

  is sort of interesting huh that's


  yeah because that's the one that I was

  wondering how this is gonna play out and

  I know that it you know there is no

  worldwide standard for public

  transportation sharing and at some of

  these even know that public

  transportation and you'd think that they

  would be obligated to sort of make it a

  somehow share the data right that

  there's some you know proprietary honest

  as who's got the data and stuff like

  right and there's all kind of different

  kinds of systems and they don't talk to

  each other even in San Francisco there's

  like two or three different systems

  caltrain barred community and to you too

  Google's credit they it was a mountain

  of work to just sort of a encapsulate

  all that in practice and another you

  know there's there's a bunch of other

  apps that are

  that are have been out for a bit or

  coming out soon that are kind of using

  city-by-city different variations of the

  map so you download a specific after New

  York City you download a specific map

  for San Francisco for Los Angeles

  whatever so i'm not sure just because

  this one is is located just 22 where I

  am but this this looks pretty good you

  know so i think it remains to be seen

  how well it will integrate within maps

  itself and if it's a if it's worth

  getting up in arms about right now

  you know it's it's definitely understand

  where the rage is coming from because it

  is something that at least on the face

  of it looks like Apple is taking a step

  backwards and people are going to be

  upset about that from a functionality

  standpoint but everyone i think you know

  knows why it's happening at all and I

  think you made this point earlier that

  we don't know for sure that it was all

  just Apple wanted to do it maybe there

  was some negotiation between between

  Google as well and and they just decided

  to part ways

  I heard something to that effect you

  know just just kind of a one source

  thing but something along those lines it

  wasn't all that different from the

  YouTube situation i actually after i

  wrote that today I had a little birdie

  tell me that I that was roughly in the

  in the ballpark and that's not to say

  that it's entirely google's fault it's

  just that there were negotiations yes

  and that where Google was coming from

  Apple was not it really was not

  satisfactory so what if there was any

  sort of debate within Apple about

  whether their own mapping stuff was

  ready to pull the trigger on this year

  or do they need another year that that

  the stance with google made it worse and

  nudge them more in that direction yeah

  like I don't think that it was I don't

  think it was cut and dry in any way I

  don't think it was cut and dry in terms

  of where Apple felt their own mapping

  tech was I don't think it was cut and

  dry like Google's demands were simply

  untenable but it definitely was a mixed

  bag like that

  yeah that's essentially the same exact

  thing that I heard and so that I mean it

  is what it is

  there's there's no question that this is

  going to get better over time I'm I'm

  right because it gets better by


  usage data right and that's why and just

  like with Siri or Siri got better so

  they kind of had to release serie as a

  beta 2 early like not good not right

  because it needed the millions of people

  using it to get better with the

  aggregate data the big difference though

  is that Siri wasn't replacing something

  up right where as apples Maps are

  replacing a mapping system that was

  really yeah and i know you highlighted

  earlier and uh then I did later as well

  the SKA trapper was talking a bit about

  the flip side of this which is

  everyone's overlooking but it's also the

  reason why this is probably more of a

  mutual thing too is because this is

  actually really bad for google as well

  because they're losing tens of millions

  of devices that were sending them data

  and and perfecting their mapping system

  and that's all going out the window now

  it's not just the maps app itself it's

  also the sdk stuff so all those apps

  that were using the the Google Maps SDK

  which are now switching over to Apple

  maps I mean google can't be happy about

  losing that data that's those are that's

  this is valuable information that they

  no longer have yeah and even so even the

  other thing too and I you know I'm not

  trying to save rod you know the new maps

  is all a big bag of candy but there's

  definitely some good stuff in there like

  the graphics are much improved and

  they're based on it not just in terms of

  graphic design although that's better to

  they just look better but now they're

  very right so they scale better

  whereas before it was all a bunch of

  bitmaps and if you zoom dinners and dad

  you had to redownload a new set of tiles

  because it was all bit maps google has

  vector images from apps but withheld

  them from Apple Apple you know didn't

  get those right now they have them

  because they have their own tiles right

  and it's definitely better when you do

  pinching and zooming out it's better

  yeah I so and the app is better the app

  is actually been much just in terms of a

  stepping away from the data right

  mapping that it just the interface of

  the app itself is really nice

  yeah I mean I'd I've I as i said in in

  my review of it huh

  you know it's it i don't think that it's

  as good yet as as Google Maps previously

  was but I don't think it's that big of a

  deal and I know that people are going to

  be up in arms about it because it's a

  change and everyone

  it's up in arms about pretty much every

  change and there's no question that it's

  a status lights up backwards but I don't

  know how the actual regular general

  public will feel about this so right now

  we're still in the phase where it's

  mostly you know the the tech community

  and the you know those the surrounding

  areas that are downloading iOS 6 today

  and are experiencing it for the first

  time in getting all up in arms but when

  regular people start to use this it's

  not clear how much help view it as a

  downgrade or if they'll really even care

  if they'll notice the differences I mean

  I you know obviously people use transit

  a lot will public transportation and

  will but uh overall i don't i don't know

  I I just don't think it ends up being

  that big of a deal like three months

  from now

  yeah I don't think so either we'll see

  it's definitely something I think

  everybody's going to keep their eyes on

  and I also don't think it's something

  that Apple is in any way under

  estimating yeah I don't think they were

  like oh yeah we'll just switch maps i

  mean i think they realized that this is

  this is a pretty big deal similar to the

  move from doing everything tethered over

  USB to your computer to iCloud right now

  that if people are going to start

  trusting their backups to iCloud apple

  took that you know it has to work i

  think very surgeons and I think in

  hindsight it's worked out very well yeah

  your con another thing before we get to

  the the reader questions just a couple

  of notes i had it really stands out to

  me today that and just you know I'm sure

  there's somebody somewhere had a problem

  downloading and upgrading to iOS 6 but

  it seems like again it was another major

  update that rolled out really really

  smoothly and nobody else in the industry

  is getting updates i like yeah we're

  here is the day the OS comes out and

  everybody who wants it can just go get

  it over the right eye was even i was i

  was at home earlier before i had head

  out for the day for my meetings and

  debating whether or not to update my

  iphone 4s which I had an updated yet I

  didn't even have it on the beta on any

  of the beta builds of the virus six and

  so I just was like well let's just see

  how it works i don't see much meet many

  people complaining about on twitter and

  took 10 half an hour total between all

  the reset center and installing and

  downloading and and then resetting and

  it worked fine was great

  yeah i did the same I had mind i did my

  iphone 4s on the eight through the ADC I

  did the i put the GM build on a couple

  days ago or but when i started testing

  the iphone 5 so that I could do that if

  I did anything side-by-side it would be

  the same OS on both yep but i did my

  ipad just like a normal consumer today

  and it couldn't have been easier

  I mean is just tap tap and then you know

  next thing you know I'm update and one

  nobody else gets I mean android users

  dream of something her height and wave

  and I think they've been promising it

  for a couple years and I just never

  seems to quite get come to fruition one

  other nice thing that I noticed up with

  see the iOS 5 iOS 6 update on the 4s was

  you know so i have used that that device

  for a year now I had a lot of kind of

  saved history within within maps for

  things i was searching for it really

  it's saved all that stuff even though

  it's a completely new app completely

  redone they were able to pour all of

  that saved information including my

  searches you know that I was doing a few

  days ago are all still right there which

  was and even though the search field

  itself was still populated with the last

  thing that I had searched for in the old

  version of maps that's pretty impressive


  yeah NSA I didn't notice that yep that's

  pretty smart which is another 1i have

  design sort of all over the map here but

  I'm interested because you had the black

  the iphone 5 i've got the white one

  do you agree that blacks look a lot

  blacker on screen

  oh yeah yeah yeah I also think and just

  looking at the picture you posted in

  your your review on techcrunch when the

  screen is off it looks like black is

  blacker yeah so I'm looking at it right


  you really can't tell where the screen

  starts until you tilt it a little bit

  into a bit of light and then especially

  with the so it just on the just on the

  main screen the lockscreen you've got

  the the black along the top the black

  bar with the the carrier in this case

  verizon and the the battery indicator

  and it's pretty close to what the with

  the face of the of the actual phone is

  it's a

  and I think you hit on this in your

  review that with the letterbox apps you

  don't think you think you might not be

  able to tell where kind of the the face

  of the iphone ends and where the the

  letterboxing begins and that's really

  true especially you know part of it is

  because of the colors and the the light

  of the of app itself but it almost just

  looks normal it looks like you're using

  an iphone 4s it's just kind of centered

  in the middle of a of the slightly

  larger device

  yeah it definitely sticks out on the

  white one yeah the letterbox apps really

  it just looks a little off

  yep i don't but again i don't think that

  should keep anybody who wants to buy the

  white one from behind the white one

  because I mean I mean literally today I

  think I've had 50 app updates

  huh yeah i think i'm down to one app

  that I use on a daily basis that hasn't

  been updated yet for the new screen

  yeah I simple no I talked to a developer

  earlier who had updated right before the

  rollout and just said super easy as long

  as as long as the as long as your app is

  doing something that's kind of a linear

  timeline based thing I mean you're

  almost of these already have scrolling

  built-in so all they're doing is just

  showing more of that screen so it's a

  really easy I i wrote yesterday when I a

  link to the new netflix app and i called

  it weak sauce that it wasn't updated yet

  and and I got some flak from people

  saying come on give these guys a break

  the thing was only announced six days


  yep and so maybe that weak sauce is a

  little bit harsh but the thing that I

  noticed those that i was already getting

  updates from other apps that supported

  it and Ron the fact that netflix plays

  video video really is the one I would

  say it's the one thing that benefits the

  most from the new screen size because

  it's you know right 16 tonight I mean

  that's the single biggest reason I think

  to go 69 this video playback and what's

  the one thing you use the netflix app

  for video playback and netflix went out

  of their way that they can test or

  whatever but it doesn't seem to have

  stopped anybody else like you said I'd

  you know I can't speak firsthand

  I don't have it

  app in the App Store but doesn't seem

  like it was hard then all of the apps

  that I've tried so far that bet claim

  compatibility in the release notes every

  single one of them works just fine i

  haven't had a single app that says that

  it works on the iphone 5 screen that

  doesn't for some reason and remember

  that i don't have those developers have

  actually seen most of them have not seen

  even the iphone 5 they're doing it

  purely off of the the emulator so right

  and yeah netflix obviously knows that

  they had in their notes like coming soon

  you know support for for the iphone 5

  i'm also you know along those lines

  it's pretty sad that Twitter released a

  huge update yesterday and could not add

  in support for the iphone 5 I mean it

  maybe it was coincidental maybe they

  were targeting that day before I mean

  they couldn't have known when the

  reviews are going to come out or you

  think they wouldn't though they are

  built into iOS I mean they do work with

  Apple closely and so how can Apple not

  giving the heads up like a on this day

  you know make sure your app is is kinda

  ready to go and then just adding a kind

  of fuel to the fire tweet but of course

  comes out with one that's right the

  update that's perfect

  so did Twitter later new and I'm just

  bike when I almost took the screenshot

  and then what I should have and could i

  would have had to hold it until after

  the embargo is over but I had an update

  yesterday where there were three and

  only three apps that had been updated

  and it was swimming so poetic it was

  Twitter later new tweet bot and Twitter

  and it was the to third-party clients

  that updated to support the new screen

  size and Twitter that didn't write which

  is yeah i mean to be a student is waste

  of oxygen and there is facebook did not

  to push an update even with all their

  new talk of native compatibility and the

  new integration within ios6 they're not

  still ready to go and they have a huge

  team obviously but it's ridiculous that

  Twitter put out a huge update 5 point

  out they make a big deal about it and

  they don't have it ready to go for this


  alright let me take a break let me do

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  app that suit that's doing that

  integration like they are how does how

  does that look

  I really haven't played around too much

  with this

  third party stuff so doing it through

  the sdk I assume it's just kinda the

  exact same maybe the hooks are the exact

  same looks just looks great

  yep just looks like them you know

  look it's exactly what you think it's

  just you know the new look with the the

  new style maps yep nice so let's get to

  some of these questions let me see

  let's see what my favorites have I just

  favorited a bunch of these questions I

  lot of these we already covered or the

  maps concerns real or just hyped fears i

  think it's hyped right now it's its

  overall but we don't think there is

  something to really have to find out

  more people started yeah I have one real

  quick that wasn't that I didn't see

  answered in any and things so someone

  asked a lot for reading these to make

  himself but Marcus squiggle asks the

  keyboard in landscape mode so obviously

  we have a larger screen now so how does

  it handle that so I look I you know did

  a little test with the 4s versus the

  iphone 5 so it's actually the keys are

  bigger they do make them a little bit

  bigger so it should be easier to type

  now in landscape mode that was

  previously there's also some little bit

  a sliver of kind of open room now on the

  Sun either side of the keyboard and the

  spacebar significantly larger than it

  was on the floor s so yeah so they

  basically just made the keyboard a

  little bit longer including all the keys

  obviously for when it's in a hole

  vertical mode it's going to be the exact

  same keyboard because it's the same

  vertical with but yea landscape the keys

  are bigger but they're not as big the

  maximum size they could be that now sort

  of like they figured out look here's the

  big here's the widest it could be and

  still be comfortable and it still

  doesn't stretch to the whole side to

  there's like some white space on the

  left and right yep exactly

  I never type that way do you know I

  don't either

  mostly i don't i don't use I use you

  know the horizontal view for looking at

  it at watching videos trying to think I

  do I use it a lot actually on the ipad

  especially now with this with the

  logitech keyboard accessory constantly

  in landscape mode but i don't use the

  iphone all that much some games and some

  videos it's pretty much

  yeah same here do you have the same

  problem i do with the letterbox taps

  were typing his own yes keyboard yeah

  raised i was glad you said that in your

  review i didn't didn't really hit upon

  that I i noted that it's hard to III

  keep miss hitting on top when you know

  I'm trying to scroll to the top because

  i'm going i'm aiming kind of four right

  below the ear piece and instead you need

  to aim for the kind of where that the

  time is so that's kind of screwed me up

  a bit but yes also while typing with the

  with the keyboard it when it's in a

  letter letter box to app is a is

  definitely a bit off i am especially

  having problems with the lower left for

  some reason I just yet

  I same here to sing the same exact thing

  here yeah like the shift key and I don't

  know but again I really don't think it's

  going to be a problem i really think

  every app that I use on a regular basis

  going to be updated probably by the time

  this show airs yeah

  yep totally Lex Friedman our friend Lex

  Friedman asks when you run an older app

  boxed is tapping the top of the iphone

  screen scroll up there we go must you

  tap the actual status bar yeah that have

  to tap the status has to be the steps /

  that's that's something i've also been

  annoying to me

  ng letterbox area is just a dead zone

  there's it doesn't does nothing like it

  doesn't even exist though as far as I

  did you notice that when so when you

  have a push notification that comes in

  it goes down in that area and it

  actually does not go over the Apple it

  goes down perfectly into the space the

  the black space above the app which i

  think is no I I did not notice that and

  as far as I can died can't say I read

  every single review but i do believe

  that yours is only when i read that

  pointed that out so that's actually a

  point to mg good observation i give you

  I know I hadn't seen I thought that was

  a it's a pretty nice touch of of of how

  to do that because remember before when

  people were talking about how they could

  possibly do a longer screen

  some people were mentioning that like

  maybe they just do kind of notifications

  in that area because right now it's kind

  of just goes above the top of the app

  and that's that's kind of what they

  ended up doing for older apps is that

  what happens with apps that aren't

  letterbox though does this do they get

  squished down

  the letter they don't get squared

  animations they get yeah it goes on top

  you know it has that weird kind of

  animation where it almost looks like

  it's rotating in yea though maybe they

  should have squeezed them down

  presuming that they all support you know

  there are no apps that support only the

  big size right so they already have

  those those uh those assets that they

  need to get the size right don't know

  what switching the assets would be like

  but yeah I was always I've always been a

  little I always thought there was little

  strange how notifications kind of role

  in on top of top of the apps but things

  like when you're on a call or you have

  something else you know you have skype

  that's live it squishes everything right

  it rather than kind of rolling down

  rolling on top of it that actually

  squishes whereas notifications just lie

  on tops kind of a weird thing you know

  and that brings to mind my least

  favorite change in ios6 very least and i

  find it almost baffling and Craig

  Hockenberry and I talked about it a few

  weeks ago he was on the show but i think

  that segment got cut during the editing

  process all sorts of good stuff gets cut

  on these shows which is the new colored

  status bar

  oh yes yeah where it's some kind of

  algorithm that the there you know and

  and in all the built-in apps it's blue

  right with where you can see it's like

  if you open settings app you can see it

  the open settings app instead of this

  silver status bar wherever it used to be

  silver and preview all previous versions

  of iOS 6 like a platinum sort of color

  now it's a it's a color that's computed

  on the fly based on the color of the

  status bar at the top of the screen so

  in settings it's sort of a light blue

  and in theory like an app like Yelp

  where it's read it would be pink or

  something like that so I i just opened

  yelp it's not met yet but you're also

  isn't optimized yet no I actually what

  Yelp did done

  no I think they did optimized but i

  thought what I noticed was that Yelp

  went with the black status Yelp is black

  sorry right it's not right time so what

  is it

  it's soaked this to me is so confusing

  and it's actually very disappointing and

  almost a little concerning that this

  that status bar color thing went through

  the whole summer and nobody at apple

  took it out because a it's ugly

  it really is it it looks terrible i

  think even when it's blue and other apps

  that have custom colored status parts

  which is a nice way and a common way for

  apps to brand themselves you know like

  some to do lap as instead of being blue

  it's green right that's like their color

  and Yelp clearly very branded with the

  red netflix branded with red you know

  that you use a good way to brand your

  app right on these colored status bar

  it's just ugly I really can't believe

  that that they would do that and it's

  like it's more complicated now it's like

  why is it or the second reason why i

  think it's a bad idea is that a colored

  statusbar previously always had very

  specific meaning right

  yep i'm not going to say that it means

  you're on a roll or green means there's

  a phone call yep

  Blue means you've got tethering on yep

  and then a connection somebody's

  connected with with what they call

  tethering internet sharing or what

  everything right but you're tethered and

  you're in other words you're you know

  you you don't want to accidentally leave

  it on like I said marco arment at WWDC

  had his macbook tethered to his iPad

  because it was better than the hotel

  Wi-Fi but I left it open when he went to

  sleep and then itunes kicked in and

  downloaded a new episode of mad minute

  that's not hired her to get a lot so he

  was out like 15 bucks it was like a

  fifteen dollar extra charge for

  downloading an episode was so you want

  to know that though you want that blue

  status information is important and

  really recording another thing that is

  that is that is actually tricked me i

  look at this and i have mail open right

  now and it looks like i'm tethering

  because it's pretty much the same you

  know it slightly differently and it's

  not even like with the mail app so the

  mail already has kind of this gradient

  fade at the top of it going from kind of

  a gray or or or white to a darker blue

  and so it just doesn't really match the

  this kind of muted blue that they have

  along the the status bar just it just

  doesn't look very good now really does

  the black I think the ones that do black

  look pretty good i wish they were just

  going to the third reason that i find it

  concerning is that the the the proper

  solution was staring him right in the

  face which is too

  that's not you know it's not to say that

  the status bar color rules from the

  iphone didn't need to be changed

  whatever I think they could have been

  made better but that's what they should

  have done is just copy the ipad where

  here's the rules for the ipad status bar

  if the status bar is visible it's black

  ok that's it that's the rule there is no

  colored status bar on the ipad that's it

  it's always if it's there it's black yep

  and that's it and it's great i think

  that's what they should have done for

  the iphone just make it black all the

  time yeah it really does look better

  when it is black so so what I think

  developers should do because developers

  get to choose you get in the old days

  used to get to choose between the silver

  one or the black one or not to have 1i

  guess you could have like a clear one ya

  like shows your wallpaper through the

  through the back right is everybody

  should just ask for the black one

  yeah and and you know and wait for Apple

  to get the hint and just you know in a

  future update to iOS just make it black

  for everybody and take out the whole


  yeah but yeah maybe if I could change it

  in any one app it would be male because

  males the one app I use the most

  we're that stupid blue status bars

  staring and staring me right in the face

  yeah it's pretty bad I'm trying to look

  now to see if there are any others that

  are better is glaring is as the blue

  even like Apple's own even the music app

  uses black now

  alright yeah well I think anybody with

  good taste wants the black one now right

  I don't know because it was the Apple

  should have done is just giving

  everybody the black one

  yeah yeah let's see next question is

  when sort of open-ended

  well let's take the first one ryan jones

  has two questions first is are we now

  convinced that they're going to stick

  with a tick-tock strategy in other words

  is next year's iPhone going to look just

  like this one right

  i would guess yes i would guess that the

  next iPhone you know based on nothing

  other than what they've done in the past

  but i think i think they're pretty happy

  with this design and I think they should

  be I think they have every reason to be

  pretty happy with this design so I you

  know and love unless they're going with

  something radically different i don't

  know why they would necessarily change

  this i'm trying to think if there's any

  improvements they could do

  of course you know there are

  improvements they could do but is there

  anything that uh that would constitute

  kind of a lot of work being put in to

  replace something that's that's a that's

  pretty well done right now I i would

  guess that I think unless something

  turns up

  yep you know like like all of a sudden

  three months from now all of these day

  one I phones like the glue starts coming

  off for some right then they start

  peeling apart you know

  not unless there's something like that

  some kind of technical problem that

  comes up I i think they would because I

  think it's Renee I think it's really

  good and be i think that they appreciate

  the way that they can benefit from

  releasing a new phone that already has a

  gazillion cases right and accessories

  that that fit on day one you know one

  thing that people have been saying that

  I haven't noticed but I get that I've

  got the question a few times is scuffing

  on the back and so you have the white

  one so it's silver mines the slate or

  what Slater Slater whatever they're

  calling it i haven't noticed that yet

  but a few people have brought it up so i

  don't know if that will end up being an

  issue but that could be something where

  maybe they you know reinforce or change

  the coding on the on the aluminum of the

  back if that really is an issue and that

  remains to be seen and it wouldn't be

  unprecedented make remember the first or

  one of the first ipod nanos yes the

  contractions yep some kind of plastic

  that was bizarrely scratches all right

  almost hard to believe that went through


  I haven't noticed it but I you know I

  I tend to take pretty good care of my

  iphones in general and I take extra

  special care of these review units right

  uh so I can't say that I've put it down

  on any surface that i think would have

  even scratched it but somebody told me

  that and I didn't look but somebody told

  me that in in gadgets photos of theirs

  that they're black one looks like along

  the Sham furred edge there's a word that

  maybe even more in the last week then

  then a rest of my life combined yeah

  that you can it looks like the black is

  wearing off and it's sort of silver I

  heard that too i haven't seen the

  picture yet myself either i had I don't

  notice that though at least not yet and

  I've been I just throw it in my pocket

  like I like I do with all the phones

  kinda I have no well I don't have my

  keys in the same pocket so that wouldn't

  do it but uh you know i'm not being

  extra delicate with it I'd but I haven't

  no I i don't think i am either and i

  have not noticed any kind of scratching

  my looks I think with a little rub on my

  shirt here that it would look mint


  yeah so we do expect the tik tok to

  continue then I want you to yeah I want

  everything that it it really benefits

  them economy of scale wise of course

  though that just doubles down on all of

  the oh my god this is so boring it looks

  can't believe another year the phone

  looking exactly the same right reaction

  and kind of like I said I I think that's

  in the same way that like the iphone has

  been growing at this insane pace

  year-over-year I think Matt a point

  richmond i forget his name is a kid a

  high school kid but I think he was the

  first one to point out that but now

  shoulders been saying it publicly that

  every single generation of the iphone

  has sold more than all previous

  generations combined yeah thats such as

  bizarre but it's just insane growth but

  it explains why everything you know

  surrounding apples financials have

  exploded and rice five years on i think

  that that chasm between consumers and

  the as as Charles Arthur called them in

  his review in The Guardian the digerati


  that's grown too it's not like it stayed

  the same its it growing you're over here

  this sort of oh my god I can't believe

  Apple has done that so but yeah and that

  almost makes me think it's more likely

  that they're going to stick with the

  same design because what more would

  drive those people ballistic next year

  then if the new one comes out and looks

  the same

  I do wonder like do they stick with kind

  of the 5s moniker though because like s

  you know it's either stood for speed or

  kind of cereal you could say last year

  when I but it's like with this one this

  is significantly faster than the 4s and

  so it's like they're not calling it

  though the 5s because it's just the five

  and so it's like what what do they keep

  the s up what do they do is the S

  arbitrary you know like to call it the

  5l for something else

  how do they call it the 68 only think

  they would it doesn't see it seems let

  you know but you never know like they're

  naming don't if there's anything that

  the irrational about Apple it's the way

  they named right right we were almost of

  us that you know I think we've talked

  about this previously that we're

  everyone was kind of expecting at least

  a few months ago that that would just be

  called the new iphone because they would

  go along the lines with the iPad because

  it makes sense

  it's just called the iphone on the back

  you know they don't they don't make any

  thing but it's you know for for

  marketing everyone was already calling

  it the iphone 5 why not call it the

  iphone 5 it's what everyone understands

  and what you know they already have all

  this built-in hoopla around it so why

  not go with that right now I'm not sure

  I either

  they could to you know I think that you

  know if they wanted to they could have

  and i know that it there it's different

  than the iPad because with the ipad they

  don't have this model where they keep

  the old one around year after year

  although the ipad 2 is still remember i

  don't i don't think they're going to do

  that next year right uh but i still

  think though that even if they were all

  if they just erase the four from the

  iphone for any race the 4s from the

  iphone 4s and just had these three

  phones in their lineup free 99 and 199

  299 399 they could still do it if they

  just called them all iphone yeah I'm

  just said that the newest one is the new

  iphone and the other ones are just

  called iphone and then you have to

  figure out well for $99 you'll get a

  quote iphone right it has these specs

  drivers free you'll get one with these

  specs and I sort of like uh I think

  horse said you had a comment on a while

  ago talking about well maybe they're

  going maybe they're sticking with the

  number because and while they didn't

  with the iPad because the ipad if there

  is an ipad mini through all of sudden be

  two different kind of different devices

  not just different excuse but to actual

  different devices

  whereas with the iphone there is no

  iphone mini and it's kinda pointing to

  the fact that there will only ever be

  the iphone and not kind of so they can

  keep going up and in numbers whereas if

  you had the ipad 3 and then the ipad

  mini and then you have the ipad for the

  ipad mini 2 that gets pretty messy

  obvious reasons but i don't know i don't

  think that's the that's the the worst

  theory in the world i have no idea

  haven't selected or not

  yeah it does right there is a question i

  have had down with them calling the I've

  pad that the latest iPad the new ipad is

  let's say were the speculations right

  and then an iPad Mini or an ipad air

  whatever you want to call it comes out

  next month october plenty of time for

  the holidays

  did they still call the new ipad the new

  ipad even though it's not the newest

  iPad because right and especially raises

  I really makes me curious about what

  they're going to call the thing and how

  are they going to call that the ipad 3

  as i call it after it's not the newest

  iPad right and what and what if they do

  upgrade the iPad as well with the new

  dock connector

  you know right at the regular-sized iPad

  as well so yeah there's some branding

  confusion potential there

  yeah I wonder how they're gonna play

  that but i'm not sure but I wouldn't you

  know i'm i'm a lot more sure that well I

  wouldn't say short but I would bet a lot

  more money that next year's iPhone

  whatever it's called is form factor

  compatible with these then I am about

  whatever the hell call it you know the

  5s or something knew anything about


  they'll ever go colored they've

  obviously gone that way with the ipod

  touch this year they've gone you know

  full-on into the you know color you know

  wide range of colors five colors to

  choose from I

  choose from I

  they could do it with the iphone but I

  think that going with like five colors

  that they wouldn't do that on day one

  because they wouldn't want to try to

  anticipate demand and have you know a

  bunch of a bunch of yellow ones left

  over and not enough black ones or

  something like that right and it's

  something that actually could help

  could Apple everyone has talked about

  this a lot but they're in this it's not

  it's not a problem per se but it is sort

  of a interesting situation where the

  vacuum that's created when people know

  that a new iphone is coming they just

  you know people stopped buying them and

  so that causes the because there's all

  kinds of problems with the the quarterly

  reports and causes problems on Wall

  Street even though people should be

  smart about this they're just not and so

  if they did something like you know

  halfway through the product cycle

  release 35 colors whatever that could

  help bolster those those those numbers

  are just as a question of doesn't make

  economic sense for them to do people get

  up in arms because they just bought the

  blue iphone and now the iphone 5s is

  coming out

  you know those types of questions in the

  meantime no it is definitely an

  opportunity for competing phone makers

  to stand out i mean nokia clearly has a

  minute haven't made any money on it

  because it doesn't seem like many people

  are buying Billy's branding wise they've

  sort of position whose house is that the

  colorful phone maker and then today HTC

  launched a bunch of windows phones that

  yeah I think they look good i'm at least

  in the pictures although they do you

  have seemed very very thick don't want

  to get into a discussion of a phone i

  haven't even touched but it does seems


  seems like they're going thicker when

  the market leader is just gone to dinner

  than anybody and again I think you know

  the case thing comes into play with the

  iphone where is a lot of people still

  use cases we'll see if that changes at

  all with the iphone 5 but that's it

  that's you know that's one way that

  people customize it with their own

  colors so back to the question is

  Jeffrey been a via asks good question

  should i upgrade to iOS 6 if on an

  iphone four or 3gs maps don't have

  turn-by-turn or 3d no sirree removes

  google is it worth it

  hmm that is a good question really is

  i'll tell you one thing one reason i can

  think of that you might want to i want

  my advice would be to anybody in that

  position would be wait wait and see what

  people say because if it's determined

  really slows those devices down you're

  going to hear about it soon so i would

  say a weight be the one thing that jumps

  out is that it seems like apples really

  improved WebKit performance again

  because a non-tech linked to a thing

  where somebody had posted the SunSpider

  benchmarks of yes I've and out of

  curiosity I ran it on my for ass after

  upgrading to iOS 6 and the numbers i was

  getting on the 4a swear way higher than

  the ones that they had listed which

  presumably were on the you know whatever

  the latest version of iOS 5 where it

  actually move the iphone 4s up to like

  up from like I don't know somewhere in

  the teens to like number six on their

  list so it seems like web heart really

  got a nice boost so that those numbers

  for the iphone 5 aren't just because the

  a6 cpu is so fast but that they've

  actually improved javascript and HTML

  rendering and in WebKit yeah and so

  those are that type of stuff is going to

  be stuff that comes out over the next

  week or next two weeks where you see not

  only javascript performance you see like

  is camera performance better on those

  devices is battery life better on those

  devices as a result of iOS 6 so i think

  yeah that's really how you have to weigh

  this and you'll also hear more about if

  people after all the this the kind of

  controversy right now if people really

  are annoyed with with the Newman's

  product and and whether it's a it ends

  up being in just a minute yeah kind of

  yeah I'm and you know and it's in a way

  that maps like i said is two steps

  forward two steps back if you don't get

  turn-by-turn directions or 3d it you're

  missing some of the steps forward and

  then you might really know if you're a

  heavy maps user if you use your iphone 4

  and you do use maps all the time you

  really might also might want to wait and

  see what other people have to say i

  would definitely I would probably wait

  and what if google just comes out with

  their own maps and then that totally

  negates that problem you know it doesn't

  sound like that's gonna happen anytime

  soon yeah I wonder about that Danny

  Sullivan just had a thing i like to

  before the show started where he got

  like a sort of no comment from them

  about that but I wonder what that means

  that like because I if I were google and

  you know i'm definitely not you

  and we had a google maps app that we

  felt like it

  we're working on it but it's not ready

  yet maybe another couple of weeks but

  soon i still wouldn't say soon

  I you know I think that the Apple

  strategy of keep your mouth shut until

  it's actually done done

  war never lets it go and it's never

  fails there's no reason to you know to

  talk about it and say it's coming soon

  if you're not a hundred percent sure but

  so didn't write when all of this first

  came out when iOS 6 was still in beta

  and and everyone figured out what was

  going on didn't someone at Google come

  out and say something like we look

  forward to having some mapping product

  on for iOS devices in the future the

  several months and already but i found

  themselves something like that like post

  do I can't i don't remember exactly

  where but yeah after WWDC when it was

  made official i remember something like

  right so maybe he was just maybe with

  someone speaking out of turn

  or maybe you know maybe point plans have

  changed who knows but yeah I think

  you're right that if they're just not

  saying anything about it now it doesn't

  mean it could go either way but i do

  think it's a different case than with

  the YouTube app and and for a couple of

  reasons for one thing I think that the

  monetization strategy for YouTube is a

  lot more obvious which is that google is

  making money with pre-roll ads on

  YouTube videos and now with the

  standalone youtube app that you get from

  the app store they're showing the

  pre-roll ads whereas the whole built-in

  youtube app from apple didn't do the

  pre-roll ads so I i would I think google

  is actually happy with this move like it

  sounds weird

  only that if you as a partner not an

  apple you know you're not Apple but as a

  partner that you would have

  such an incredibly privileged position

  as to have your app

  well it wasn't their app but to have

  your service featured as one of life 12

  default apps even Twitter and Facebook

  don't get pre installed by default you

  would think you'd never want to give

  that but because you didn't they didn't

  have ads I actually think that they've

  got to be delighted by this and totally

  it was a loss right that's all it was

  before and it's the number one free app

  in the App Store and probably will be

  getting so it's going well hide you know

  especially as you know for the next

  month or two as people update to iOS 6

  and maps isn't it's not entirely

  different from that because i don't know

  if you ever noticed but it wasn't a huge

  part like it's much bigger in the in the

  in the YouTube situation but there were

  sponsored event yes within within maps

  and those were controlled by Google and

  so Google was making money off of i

  don't know how much I don't know if it

  was you know any meaningful amount at

  all but they definitely had sponsored

  locations within maps on iOS and they

  were definitely making money from that

  and i'm surprised that google that app

  allowing it i don't know you know why

  they would or wouldn't I don't know what

  those negotiations looked like but

  they're losing money as a result of not


  I it was like a different-colored search

  result like you tell you in burger and

  it was like a blue dot meant like

  sponsored and red dots for you know that

  the regular results something like that

  so yeah there's that motivation but I

  just don't think there's as much money

  that it compels them to know it is i do

  think that there's a competitive angle

  they could take where if they would hold

  it and have like a wait-and-see attitude

  with apples built-in maps if if the

  iphone gets a reputation as a crummy

  device for maps it it works in Google's

  favor if google maps is in the end I

  think I think that's what the point of

  that one of the techcrunch articles was

  about that someone said basically you

  should hold back for six months and just

  see if Apple kinda buries himself up

  with this move right like because you

  know counter-intuitively it actually I

  think it's more likely that they're

  going to try to do their best on it

  standalone google maps app the better

  the built-in mapping is in iOS the worse

  it is i think it's almost less likely

  because it right right

  it just helps it bolsters the android

  case and there's never and you know I

  warned Bricker a tweet today we're just

  said that it makes them set this whole

  map thing makes him sad because it's

  like that the epicenter of the whole

  like hypothetical what if google and

  apple were still allies you know and

  android google do what their best and

  let Apple do it they're best at

  imagine like how great of a Maps app

  they could have after five years you

  know if they were still singing Kumbaya

  and have an eric schmidt come up onstage

  during events and stuff like that

  yeah and you could get you know

  different better search results you can

  have better tailored things just for the

  iphone you get of all kinds of things I

  wonder i'm actually gonna load it right

  now to see how maps looks within safari

  so you can still obviously they have a

  tailored version of maps for safari for

  iOS and let's just see how it looks when

  asked to use your location of course

  it's still they got a host ugly blue

  they actually it's kind of funny they

  have they have this white area at the

  bottom for no apparent reason it's

  obviously just not tailored yet for the

  larger screen they just have this white

  area right above the the bottom bar of

  safari in between the map in the bottom

  bar that's a they're clearly paying

  attention here but it's fast it works

  well you can pinch to zoom on

  yeah so you know it's it's an option

  it's a it's not ideal

  perhaps but it's you know it's something

  that works once once a google figures

  out how to do a

  custom customized for the the taller

  screen i think it's something that

  people could go back to I don't know

  Anna it just seems to me like the I mean

  we good for a quick look up i guess if

  you're unhappy with what you got from

  the maps app but right if it is

  something we're looking for just was not

  coming up you could always follow that

  you're not gonna want something like

  that for turn-by-turn now know his

  question from brian no last name in

  future iOS do you think the UI risks

  growing stale and what features would

  you like his suggestions are widgets and

  Zephyr styles wipes don't even know what

  that mean what does that mean that thing

  when you swipe on the keyboard

  I don't know I know I I but you know and

  if you're used to it i'm sure it's

  frustrating but i guess some people

  swear by that we don't know its efforts

  elsewhere but you know I definitely

  would like to see kind of more maybe

  taking more of a cue from some of the

  things and in even windows phone where

  it's like more live updating things

  whether that's widgets or you know even

  like the the weather app that showed the

  the correct weather kinda like the

  calendar does now it shows the right day

  I do yeah I you know even if you just

  like a dynamic icon

  yeah that could be kind of cool beyond

  i'm trying to think the icons are so

  small that it would be hard to show

  meaningful data but maybe you know maybe

  rather than just having a red

  notification dot maybe if you have like

  a DM and Twitter there's like a you know

  like a blue notification dot or

  something slightly different so you know

  like there's a difference between the

  notification elements of it i think

  there's there's a little bit of of of

  wiggle room for things they could do

  there but again it's hard

  apple is not going to change the icons

  themselves anytime soon i would imagine

  so it's kind of hard you know do you do

  like a for icon by four icon widget

  thing I don't know yeah well I wouldn't

  it wouldn't shock me and I think if they

  did it would be something like that

  where you could make a widget that's

  defined as like some

  array of of icons you know a two-by-two

  somewhere or like you said like a four

  by one line

  yeah but I don't see them doing that I

  think people under adding nerds tend to

  underestimate the tremendous not even

  appeal but almost the the comfort of the

  the iOS homescreen simplicity that all

  it is right as you know exactly what to

  do all that it

  these are your apps yep there's only one

  place to go for apps and you know

  there's no you know that whole

  difference I think between the list of

  your apps and your home screen android I

  i think it baffles people i do it gives

  me confused sometimes

  yep but like you know that when you

  delete something from your home screen

  and not deleting the app you're just

  leaving like an alias to the app and the

  app itself is right and then just

  swiping over and and then you get to

  widgets and then you get to other types

  of contents

  I just think cannot underestimate how

  comforting normal people find that the

  root level of the device is so

  profoundly simple and you know yet you

  don't do do if do geeks suffer for that

  because we can handle things like a live

  updating sports widget

  I guess so but I I i don't know i I'd

  but they sort of have those widgets now

  right in there just in the notification

  screen so they've whether they have

  stocks those are the two you know you

  have to imagine that will come out with

  more maybe you'll have a

  i-don't-know-what trying to think of

  what else you could possibly want you

  know maybe even music player in there

  but they already have that at the bottom

  when you swipe to the left

  I think it's a lot more likely that they

  would open up widgets in the

  notification center then widgets your

  home screen

  I don't think we're ever get widget on

  the home screen yeah i agree with that I

  also you know it's not really a UI thing

  but i would love to see just the ability

  to change the things like the default

  camera so you know you can change it to

  Instagram our camera plus or are one of

  the other whatever your favorite camera

  app is I don't know if they'll actually

  do that but that's there would be a

  small little thing

  I'd like to see child yeah and along the

  same lines being able to specify a

  custom default calendar amp a custom

  default am a music player everyone and I

  think for a lot of people would be a

  custom browser so you could use chrome

  is your browser instead of safari that

  would be in one containing me I think

  ios7 one thing I definitely wish they

  had still in safari is just the ability

  to switch between tabs without having to

  zoom out and kind of you know swipe

  between them though the thing that they

  doing so far I think it's much better

  which is just kind of swiping from the

  side and being able to quickly switch

  between them

  I like that that element a lot more me

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  yeah I got one that I think I didn't see

  anyone address probably someone address

  this one of the reviews i've gotten

  through all them quite yet but uh so a

  nut media asks does the iphone 5 camera

  take 32 or 16 by 9

  photos and the answer is when you're

  holding it in landscape mode it takes

  about 32 photos

  it's um it's a little bit tricky because

  of course the screen is longer so you

  wonder if it's taking these long photos

  but they actually redid the camera so

  you have a quite a large now photo photo

  snapper area on the the right hand side

  when you're holding it horizontally or

  when you're holding it vertically it's

  at the bottom but so you have a big

  picture taking button now and it it

  squishes the screen back to basically

  the three by two Russian was what ends

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  same exact pixel dimensions is the

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  much because it ended up being like

  something ridiculous like a hundred

  thousand pixels by something else or

  something like that and as I course had

  to shrink that down to get it to work

  but it's sort of interesting that the

  only way to take those panoramic shots

  is by holding it horizontally not

  holding it

  oh sorry by holding and vertically not

  pulling your right it's counterintuitive

  because you think well it's so super

  wide the result that you're going to

  hold the camera wide but if you think

  about it actually makes sense because

  they're going to stitch it together

  anyway so why not get the the most

  vertical data as possible as you're

  shooting that so it actually does kind

  of make sense but it is

  counter-intuitive I think it also helps

  you keep that can hold the camera

  because the iphones I find ya always

  find is easier to hold up and down and

  it is totally nuh and especially now

  that it's even thinner you're kinda you

  know you're being very delicate with

  your fingertips to hold it if you're

  holding it in landscape mode

  here's a quick question I've got this a

  couple times is due folders fit another

  row of icons

  yes they do so instead of three rows of

  icons you get four by four A and

  older on the on the screen

  yeah it's sort of funny in the reviews i

  have read like no one really talks about

  the the extra row of icons is being like

  a big thing and you would you know when

  you first saw the picture whoever i

  think was 95 Mac you know actually got

  figured out the correct code within with

  an Xcode or whatever to make it do the

  exiting and I was like the big reveal

  because it showed that you're we're

  going to get a bigger screen but no one

  really talks about that anymore it is

  nice it's nice to have an extra row it's

  great to have an extra row within the

  the folders themselves but I don't know

  I i actually tweeted this out earlier

  today I don't know I know you said in

  your review that that you kind of your

  kind of in-between thinking between the

  which was better than the

  three-and-a-half screen or the 4-inch

  screen and I was you know I kind of

  alluded to the same same I thinking of

  it but now after using it now that I'm

  out about using it and a nice switching

  pretty regularly today since i upgraded

  to iOS 6 on the 4s it's just like I look

  at the 4s now after using the iphone 5

  and it just looks like the short stumpy

  slow younger sibling it reminds me of

  the of the stumpy ipod nano for

  something does it started i use the word


  yeah i also found and it's funny because

  I spent all day yesterday really writing

  that review i mean i was really in

  writing mode all day long and just today

  I realized that i've i've actually

  suddenly subconsciously got developed a

  new grip on the phone that does actually

  notice that my nose done

  like I called it a used the baseball

  parlance like choking up like you're

  choking up that applies i found myself

  today I went out to to grab a sandwich

  and i noticed i was reading checking

  Twitter and without thinking about the

  grip i noticed that I was doing it so I

  do think that that's growing on me and I

  know that when I spoke to two apple PR

  and questioned it on day one when i got

  it they said would you know give it a


  yeah you know they've been carrying it

  around for a while and that you get used

  to you really do get used to it but they

  totally understood that the that they

  agreed that the first day if you are

  like an iphone user daily it is

  definitely it's definitely different


  it's just you know it's long it's longer

  so it is a different balance yeah you

  are you know you're almost forced to

  hold it differently chance to make sure

  that it's going to be secure in your

  hand up like it's going to tip over or


  Michael Clements asks how has the

  speaker improved or changed for the

  iphone 5 any of proximity sensor issues

  a lot of the iphone for proximity sensor

  i've said i've noticed nothing I mean

  that you know just seems to just I don't

  understand why it starts to Speaker I

  would say no change

  yes I actually highlighted a different

  different a sweet that was also asking

  about the speaker i tried it out a

  little bit right before we went on you

  know 44 I assume we mean the speaker not

  the earpiece for listening to to a phone

  call but rather for kind of playing

  music or playing a podcast or something

  through and to that end I don't notice

  any difference i think that it's pretty

  pretty much the same if anything I feel

  like the the 4s one may have been a

  little bit louder at the same setting I

  don't know if that's a if that's a

  device change that's not that's

  something else but maybe it's my hearing

  is weird but in terms of the speaker for

  listening to phone calls you know apples

  made this big thing about how they have

  all the noise can't save some noise

  cancelling elements third microphone and

  I didn't the third microphone right i

  did a call and it seemed great

  you know I don't matter honestly don't

  hold the phone up to my ear that might

  run away cause I do use the that your

  buddy and I try to go

  yeah I also think that and you know in

  my week and I didn't do any kind of

  specific testing on i do think that the

  improvement i noticed last year in the

  vibrator in the 4s have translated over

  to this one it seems like that is really

  i forget somebody explain the technical

  difference and how they changed the the

  vibrator in the 4s but it was all new

  compared to the

  before and I think that that this phone

  has a really it's good one thing that

  it's also different with apple and a lot

  of these other companies and that Amazon

  is one of them is amazon has gone with

  the new tablets with stereo speakers and

  they're bragging about it I i I've never

  got a straight answer out of Apple but i

  do get the impression that their idea is

  that stereo speakers on these tiny

  devices make no sense because that

  they're too close you don't you know

  there's no point having stereo speakers

  that are right next to each other right

  right there

  you know there's that there is an ideal

  space in between speakers for its for

  you to get the full stereo effect of

  something and how can they squeeze that

  in to such a small and that maybe

  there's an arguably there's some kind of

  logic to having stereo speakers on a

  tablet maybe on a big tablet but there's

  none on a phone right and famously the

  what you think our two speakers at the

  bottom of your phone have never been to

  speakers there's only one speaker right

  you know you can replace the music

  through speakers even cover up one of

  that forget which side left to right but

  cover up the one sec it's right on gets

  blocked and they may they may the people

  may actually recognize that now because

  fine because the headphone jack is at

  the bottom now it makes one of the

  speaker's grills significantly smaller I

  actually thought with my original iphone

  i didn't know that I didn't know it

  wasn't stereo i just looked and thought

  there were two speakers and so I

  remember I didn't go to the Genius Bar

  specifically for that problem i went

  there for some other problem with the

  phone with the original iphone by stand

  by the way it looks like one of my

  speakers is blown out that goes now

  there's this new speaker on that side

  like oh it's not like that like a big

  dummy like haha you they get people come

  on as i do people come here all the time

  about that that's funny you know one

  other while we're speaking of the kind

  of the bottom part of the device I've

  noticed that i actually really like the

  headphone tracking at the bottom I keep

  trying to put it on the top when i first

  go to plug-in because I'm just used to

  it but i like it because it it seems

  it's a much more natural flow from your

  hand to putting the device in your

  pocket because you don't have to flip it

  around in order to do so

  because you're holding it in your hand

  and then I just put my hand kinda down

  to my pocket area and then just like let

  it drop in there rather than having to

  kind of flip it around it and make sure

  that the the the headphone jack is the

  thing up so in other words i'm just

  putting it in my pocket

  autumn up rather than then top up and i

  find that flow to be actually I i asked

  about that change specifically and

  sometimes you can ask and and they will

  give you a here's what we were thinking

  behind this change explanation yet

  sometimes they want and I thought maybe

  they would on this one because it's

  obviously not this is not super

  competitive you know I mean like they're

  not going to tell you about the

  processes behind how they manufactured a

  little bit and drill the aluminum ounce

  of my dad but I thought you know up or

  down on headphones weed you know what

  would be thinking about that and I got a

  very polite and not answer but i think

  that it's I think it's twofold i think

  one is exactly what you said that if

  you're going to be listening to stuff

  while the phones in your pocket it makes

  total sense for it to be on the bottom

  because I everybody puts the phone in

  top first right i mean does anybody put

  the phone in the other way if they're

  not connected the headphones i put the

  phone entire first I don't so right

  that's the old way if i did want to have

  the headphones connected while the phone

  is in my pocket i had to put the phone

  into me upside down and i think the

  other factor is and Schiller has alluded

  to this i think in I saw somebody

  talking about it but that and talking

  about that the move from the old dock

  connector to the new lightning connector

  is that Apple had originally thought

  that people would be using iphones with

  docks where you would stick it in a doc

  on a 30-pin connector and that's how you

  would charge it you have a doc on your

  desk and I think the original function

  right right night I guess is that I was

  stupid enough to buy this thing

  I think you're right i think it did

  that's a great point yet now no one will

  be he's already have said right they're

  not going to know they're not going to

  do a dock and that did people you know

  people that's not they've they don't

  they don't use docs themselves and they

  don't think customers to either people

  just have cables and they lay the phone

  on the donĂ­t flat on a thing and stick

  a cable in there but when they thought

  hey I think people are going to use a

  dock with this then it made sense for

  the headphone to be on top because you

  know to be the only way you can access

  the headphone yep

  yeah that makes makes a lot of sense i

  have a question here from a Jeremy

  Collins who s there any other UI

  improvements for taller screeners

  limited to simply more information so i

  think that's a good question because we

  haven't really seen this yet aside from

  the CNN app that was an open day which

  of course was an open table sorry yes

  but I'm both of those were the ones that

  were showing off at the actual event as

  a good examples of how you can use a

  larger screen so for the most part that

  the developers who have done app updates

  today have just basically allows you to

  see more of a of a listview because

  that's like a pretty easy update to do

  what CNN and open table are doing is

  really kind of rethinking the way the

  you I cannot can flow because you have

  more screen real estate at the top and

  bottom and I haven't had too much chance

  to play with the CNN I app yet i opened

  it earlier but it is really totally

  different than it was before and I think

  in a very good way so I'm pretty

  interested to see how app developers and

  abusing that extra real estate in a more

  compelling way than just adding to list

  him the one app and I I've gone back and

  forth over the years between Calendar

  apps on iOS I've I've daily you know

  spent months with other one chance but

  I've lately I've just been using that

  the built-in one uh yep and it's a

  really nice improvement there where you

  can have month view and actually have a

  reasonably sized list underneath that's

  not to say that they redid they didn't

  really redo the interface it's just that

  there's an app where it really does make

  a huge difference where before you only

  had like one line underneath where is

  now you get like three and a half

  lines underneath you know so you can see

  your day's agenda underneath the month

  yep that's so much better than I can't

  think of any other app though that is

  specifically really different it's just

  you know just more right

  I wonder those you know new people start

  to do maybe you incorporate some sort of

  tray in that you know at the bottom or

  the top kind of because you have the

  more real estate there rather than what

  you were doing before I don't know I

  have no idea what they'll end up doing

  but I would imagine that people will be

  experimenting with that starting you

  know soon as they get their hands on the

  iphone 5 I would think so too i think

  it's really nice for and just for the

  obvious reason i said in my thing for

  video but reading too

  yep and I'll tell you which app it

  really stands out to me is I books

  because I've always thought that Apple's

  designed for ibooks took away too much

  space by keeping a like a chapter or

  title at the top and the location thing

  at the bottom where no matter how you

  set it it didn't seem like you got a

  comfortable amount of text on screen at

  once whereas now you do it really makes

  a big difference in that app and instead

  the upper major sighting instapaper

  always took greater advantage of the

  screen space like when you tap to make

  that the toolbar and everything go away

  always use the screen rather than I

  books does but it's really really nice

  to have instapaper now on this on this


  yeah and you get something like tech

  named to just a web app you know just to

  a web version of it

  this is much better because you just

  you're displaying so much more

  information that's not a native app it's

  just you know within within safari

  itself but because safari now has so

  much more screen real estate you know

  one thing I I sort of wish they would

  they would have borrowed the same thing

  that they're doing now when you hold

  safari up horizontally there's a new

  button at the bottom to be able to make

  the top and bottom fade away the top and

  bottom bars but you can't do that in

  vertical mode and I really wish they

  would have done that you know there's

  times when I'm just like scrolling

  through a bunch of a bunch of

  information like a technique for example

  and I don't really need

  even the both the URL bar and the the

  bottom bar there so I wish they would

  have brought that over to the vertical

  mode yeah I i almost said I suspect it's

  because they don't want to cram another

  button there whereas when you're in

  horizontal mode there's there's a lot of

  room lot more room for a button but I

  corrected doing everywhere it it makes

  as much sense as if feature in vertical

  mode is in horizontal mode and the other

  thing right putting another button and i

  don't know i know i'm not i don't want

  to design the app for them but I do kind

  of wish they'd figure out some way to do

  it is iCloud tabs where yes I this is

  one of my favorite features that Apple

  has added across the system this year

  and I really you know i was looking

  forward to it getting all my stuff

  getting all night computers on mountain

  Lomax mountain lion and all my devices

  on ios6 and it's great except that on

  screen type a safari the the clouds you

  just click that cloud button and there's

  the list of them and on the phone and it

  kind of got to go to bookmarks and then

  go back to you got tabs and there it is

  and it's you're never going to just

  leave it there so you're like always

  like three taps away from and it's great

  on the ipad yeah because its exact same

  way in the ipad where it's it's an

  actual it's an icon but yeah it's buried

  in the menu on and I think it's a great

  feature i mean i am always thinking that

  I've got this thing i was reading mg's

  review of the phone and where is it i

  thought i had it and it's because i

  forget i was on a different mac or a

  different device or whatever right

  I'm you know I've got open tabs on every

  device and I never remember which one

  neuron and icloud tab is exactly what I


  and while we're in safari someone else

  brought up Brad being at being brad says

  why does safari still have separate

  search and URL field hate that so much

  obviously apple just change this in

  safari for OS 10 but it remains the same

  in safari for iOS were they don't have a

  unified search bar

  and I don't know why that is except i

  think it makes more sense on an iOS

  device because you're touching something

  you're going for a touchdown target with

  your thumb rather than you know if

  you're using tabs or the tab key or what

  not to get it to kind of navigate around

  or if you're using a you know your a

  your finger to just navigate around its

  it's sort of tedious to switch between

  two different two different boxes up top

  sort of redundant whereas because you're

  touching it you can just kind of know

  what you know what you want to hit

  whether you want to hit the URL or the

  search bar and it's the same thing

  because it's you know it's always thumps

  what is a good question my and I think

  the answer is actually even more simple

  than that I think it's because when

  you're in the URL field they give you a

  special keyboard that's optimized for

  URLs with characters like are all ready

  for Ash's and don't have a spacebar you

  get a dot-com button him and I think

  that's the explanation is that the

  advantage of having one is there's a big

  trade-off there where they would lose

  the you'd only have the normal keyboard

  whereas now you have this special you're

  entering a URL keyboard which you would

  go yeah so that's why I think I OS still

  has the to field wouldn't be a bad

  reference that makes sense and then you

  know I mean as far as a bunch of

  preferences they even to add a nigga

  stash it in that not just in settings

  safari go to put it all the way down in

  settings safari advanced where they've

  got the new right developer mode webcam

  with the web inspector I put it in there

  because the sort of people who really

  want that room you know right i would

  take people who wouldn't hesitate to go

  three levels deep in settings to turn it

  on but i think it would be a good time

  great preference setting there's a then

  there's the conspiratorial thought that

  you know that would lead to more google

  searches well I i see i don't think that

  carries any water though because if that

  were the case then they would have added

  it to the mac version of Safari yeah

  right i agree if trying to I think I'm

  running out of questions here and i

  think we're probably running at a time

  but do you see any other good ones

  someone lets the MIT rental a stem kinda

  curious to hear our thoughts about the

  rift in ios6 UI elements you know

  between disposer drifted Apple between

  the forestall and maybe Johnny I've or

  whoever it is but basically with all the

  scheme morphix stuff i think is what

  he's referring to so some of the you

  know the the the felt in in Game Center

  and in that kind of thing

  yeah the contentious theory on that is

  that there's two camps inside Apple that

  are sort of a pose where's the camp that

  likes the sort of non skeuomorphic look

  of apps like male safari and even new

  updated ones like may music and the app

  store and maps maps is another good

  example where it's just like this sort

  of pure chrome look versus the game

  center calendar whatever I think there's

  I think there's some merit to that from

  what i've heard that there's definitely

  people who are opposed to like the

  calendar app on the iPad and a mac but I

  don't think it's like you know like a

  religious war or somebody really wants

  to like you know it I know I don't think

  it's like a problem like a like a sign

  of internal division

  well I mean it is certain

  it's just I don't know everyone I talked

  to doesn't seem to like the you know

  either the felt or or any of the the

  calendar stuff but Apple still feels

  that go with it i mean it is that for

  the don't know that that the common

  person to feel like you know you're

  replacing your calendar your desk

  calendar with up with a version that's

  like a digital representation outfit I

  actually wonder how much of it and i

  don't know i mean i think forestall was

  probably a little bit on the

  skeuomorphic side but I really think

  that the leading proponent of it was

  Steve Jobs personally and that you think

  it's now that he's you know no longer

  with us i think it's i think it's

  starting to go away coming because

  there's anything gone skeuomorphic since

  Steve Jobs died i don't think so i think

  everything everybody complains about was

  already in place when Jobs was at the

  helm right you know you can

  it is there anything like passbook we

  open it up here it's I think you know

  they do pre and passbook though I really


  I don't think I'm not working is not

  close to it and in general I think like

  passbook is probably a good example

  where is my passbook and and while we're

  talking about passbook you know someone

  asked them how it actually works so you

  know during the during my demo time

  actually had apple send me some some

  demo one since know the app for live yet

  it's basically you can do it you can do

  as far as i understand you can do one of

  two things either apps after you you

  know you buy tickets through

  ticketmaster and then you get an email

  and in the attached to that email is

  basically a file which is a passbook

  file and you click on it within mail-in

  in iOS and then it just instantly loads

  and that's what that's what i did it and

  it worked you know within one second it

  was a it was loaded into my passbook and

  so that seems like a really great thing

  I worry a little bit about right now i

  have to give the eight different passes

  in this thing and it's you know it's

  getting a little crowded i don't know

  how they deal with if you have a lot of

  these things like so if you have a

  starbucks card which is going to be kind

  of an evergreen thing apparently that

  you have in your in your wallet or or

  the Starwood kind of one vs like a movie


  which will go away after a time I don't

  know how they deal with having so many

  of those in there but you know i'm

  curious to see how passbook gets adopted

  they have a great group of partners it

  looks like you know that i saw that a

  eventbrite is going to be using it and

  then obviously the ones that we've

  already seen as the examples of a lot of

  airlines using it to get pastor all

  those kinds of things

  majorly but I want to leave them MLB now

  actually based only like three ballparks

  right now but I mean I presumably that's

  the sort of thing that might be tough to

  roll-out midseason so maybe by next year

  we'll have a lot more a lot more the

  teams involved but you can buy tickets

  in the app and it led i forget which

  three ballparks it is but the tickets

  you can put them right in your passbook

  and then you know just show up at the

  gate in the scandium someone asked and i

  don't have this open and i think i just

  saw it in passing I think they're asking

  us that actually for the show like if I

  don't know the answer to this and I

  don't know if you will either but if you

  need some sort of special barcode

  scanner to be able to do it through the

  iphone screen i think that there is

  something to this question because I

  think that I have gone to the airport

  before and had it on the you know had a

  ticket kinda just through the web

  browser open to be scanned and it was

  either QR code or barcode and they

  couldn't scan it for some reason with a

  regular bar code reader they needed a

  special kind of barcode reader to be

  able to do it i don't know if that's

  because the pint glass if there's a

  reflection problem or or whatever I

  don't know if that's been fixed or not

  have you heard anything about that now I

  haven't heard anything about that i

  thought that those yes scanners were

  just like a diamond doesn't that they're

  just red lasers

  I don't know I don't know anything about

  it maybe I'm maybe I'm remembering it

  incorrectly but I think someone did ask

  a question along these lines and it made

  me remember back to this one time when I

  just couldn't you know they could not

  scan my thing because they didn't have

  the correct scanner for it and who knows

  maybe they had to our code scanner and

  they needed a barcode scanner i don't

  know maybe something as simple as that

  but there might there may have been

  something to the fact that you needed

  special scanner and I don't know if

  that's true or not

  unfortunately we don't have an answer

  but yeah overall I think there's also

  talk that you can also download one of

  the apps like the MLB app and those

  could easily pass the the two

  gets right into your passbook rather

  than doing it over email and they

  actually when you when you click on the

  things themselves they all have these

  little info in the bottom right-hand

  corner things where you can click on it

  they can't bunch of them have different

  lockscreen Dana toggles and and the

  ability to kind of location and those

  yeah I'm with you though I'm I'm i I'm

  optimistic but I'm curious as weather

  like six months from now it's gonna be

  one of those things were all of us have

  passbook on our first screen and we've

  all got like a thing in there too and

  that's where all of our airline tickets

  are going or his passbook going to turn

  into one of those apps that did stash

  into a folder and wish they would just

  let you deliver right right and I know

  you know there's a lot of the country

  developers out there who are working on

  kinda loyalty card aggregators and those

  types of things who are working out not

  integrating within passbooks oh yeah but

  I do you know I just remember from WTC I

  was one of the sessions I want to and it

  really does seem like a very clever

  system because it's very simple i mean

  it's it really not a lot of work to hook

  up to and yes and it does seem like they

  thought it through very much so it's not

  like a boil the ocean plan like the

  whole NFC thing where involves well and

  then millions of retailers will install

  this hardware that perfect to our system

  it's you know really largely based on

  hooking up to these things at all these

  retailers and gates at the airport

  already have right is a huge difference

  and that you know and the just doing it

  smart with technology where with a few

  cross into a certain geofence it will

  pop up you know the airline ticket so

  it's they're ready to go for you or and

  it's on the lock screen even so you

  don't have to actually dig through

  anything to find it you know i think

  that that's they make it pretty

  compelling case for why like all the

  airlines you get on board with this and

  yeah I hope they do is a quick question

  from spearheads he asked if you can

  split the keyboard when you're in

  landscape no you cannot and I don't I

  wouldn't it was not enough for import I

  don't think so

  I don't know that that's it and to show

  mg Siegler thanks for thanks for being