The Incomparable

201: Democracy is Awful


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  your website incomparable number 301 [TS]

  july 2014 [TS]

  welcome back to the uncomfortable i'm [TS]

  your host Jason L we are competing [TS]

  another edition of our old movie club [TS]

  and because this episode by my reckoning [TS]

  is going to be released roughly on july [TS]

  the fourth of 2014 [TS]

  i have explained or non-us listeners [TS]

  july 4th over important holiday in the [TS]

  United States it is Independence Day and [TS]

  as a result of that incredible [TS]

  confluence old movie club is has made it [TS]

  a a rash and ill informed decision to [TS]

  discuss the film is 1776 in 1972 musical [TS]

  and Yankee Doodle Dandy a 1942 American [TS]

  biographical musical so it's patriotic [TS]

  musicals in the in in in our sights [TS]

  oh god help us send help set it to [TS]

  America anyway to join me on this [TS]

  journey are a fine collection of people [TS]

  who watch these two movies [TS]

  Monty Ashley hello I USA USA all right [TS]

  excellent work Andy not co hi andy i [TS]

  have come to the conclusion that one [TS]

  useless man is a disgrace that two are [TS]

  called a law firm and that three or more [TS]

  become a podcast that's right well we [TS]

  are cool incomparable men today David [TS]

  laura is also out there hello mr. Snell [TS]

  but mr. Snell the things I writer mainly [TS]

  light extemporaneous so we're doing this [TS]

  tonight huh [TS]

  apparently we are filling michael filen [TS]

  for Michaels do your finest talk singing [TS]

  for us [TS]

  yeah that that will not happen if it's [TS]

  not a little little bit paper into this [TS]

  bullet solo and Steve let's joins us as [TS]

  well hi Steve hi Jason [TS]

  god what a bastardly bunch we are huh [TS]

  yeah yeah and Glenn Fleischman is also [TS]

  out there somewhere hovering is several [TS]

  miles above the surface of the earth [TS]

  good god mr. Snell I will not be [TS]

  silenced [TS]

  sit down Glenn sit down all right we're [TS]

  a Phil you are usually our guide to the [TS]

  old movie club so I asked you help you [TS]

  don't don't pin this on me [TS]

  help me out here so yeah I had some [TS]

  suggestions for movies and they were [TS]

  yeah i think very good suggestions and I [TS]

  jokingly said and this is why you should [TS]

  never ever ever joke about anything and [TS]

  and go through life death get definitely [TS]

  serious i said well we could do 1776 but [TS]

  a little mostly be me and not go singing [TS]

  at each other for the better part of an [TS]

  hour [TS]

  can't wait for that i'm hoping that'll [TS]

  carry assets that's a very ad that's a [TS]

  very advertiser friendly format should i [TS]

  say so you're the one who started the [TS]

  singing thing yeah she and so so yes I I [TS]

  i have the original sin as it were but [TS]

  but um Jason playing Adam to my Eve huh [TS]

  I don't like where this metaphor is [TS]

  going anyhow Jason tweeted haha we could [TS]

  do 1776 and then the masses [TS]

  yes an avalanche of people on Twitter an [TS]

  avalanche of people uh the popular will [TS]

  democracy if you withhold suggested that [TS]

  yes you have to do 1776 and I think this [TS]

  proves a very important point here on [TS]

  the fourth of July is that democracy is [TS]

  awful [TS]

  what we need is a benevolent [TS]

  dictatorship [TS]

  yeah where some guy says hey let's do [TS]

  these good movies in snow [TS]

  now i'm gonna say we did 200 episodes [TS]

  without democracy and we do one episode [TS]

  with democracy and look what happened [TS]

  and it crumbles and so then we decided [TS]

  well you gotta have a theme so what what [TS]

  movie can we do in there there aren't [TS]

  that many really good patriotic choices [TS]

  for a movie perhaps we can debate that [TS]

  later on in the podcast but we settle on [TS]

  hey let's go for another musical let's [TS]

  do Yankee Doodle Dandy a movie which I [TS]

  had not in fact scene until just a [TS]

  little bit ago so i think we should say [TS]

  we tried very hard to figure out what [TS]

  exactly are our movie would be that we [TS]

  would pair with 1776 and there are lots [TS]

  of different discussions about various [TS]

  patriotic movies movies that people [TS]

  think of is really to the fourth of July [TS]

  but aren't patriotic in any sort of way [TS]

  like born on the fourth of July [TS]

  and somehow Yankee Doodle Dandy came up [TS]

  and it was it's a musical and it's sort [TS]

  of patriotic and we just thought even [TS]

  though we hadn't seen it [TS]

  sure let's do that my favorite [TS]

  suggestion from Twitter was that we [TS]

  watched the john adams miniseries which [TS]

  one [TS]

  well fine miniseries is 18 10 episodes [TS]

  yeah it's a lot of work significant [TS]

  significant investment of time just [TS]

  slightly slightly shorter than 1776 that [TS]

  stars my friend Paul Giamatti do so and [TS]

  he's quite good in it Lennon but far [TS]

  less singing less thing he's gonna have [TS]

  to actually haven't seen the next to see [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah for next July 4th watchable of time [TS]

  between now and then [TS]

  yeah i recommend it not like these two [TS]

  movies never gonna talk about for the [TS]

  better part of an hour okay look so I'm [TS]

  so I'm going to be the one to say that [TS]

  1776 is a terrific musical and yankee [TS]

  doodle dandy is certainly within at [TS]

  least the middle of the bandwidth for [TS]

  music male musicals of that period [TS]

  I'm being I'm being cruel and I'm being [TS]

  a jerk because that's my bike not [TS]

  default setting for bit yeah it's my [TS]

  yeah it's my thing it works for me but I [TS]

  i will say the 1776 is a perfectly fine [TS]

  musical aight aight i enjoy it i enjoy [TS]

  it less each time I see it [TS]

  oh I have to snow is because I pick out [TS]

  the the flaws in the errors and and I [TS]

  don't want to get too much into it and [TS]

  be be a negative nelly it's a very fine [TS]

  musical in the first time you see it [TS]

  especially if you like me saw it as a as [TS]

  a history loving middle schooler and you [TS]

  turn and you turn it on and there's John [TS]

  Adams singing and wow that's that's [TS]

  unusual and there's the great line about [TS]

  about that Ben Franklin has Howard to [TS]

  silver play them don't worry John the [TS]

  history books so clean it up a bit and [TS]

  it it's a fun musical um and yankee [TS]

  doodle dandy is also present [TS]

  well I will say as somebody who's [TS]

  historical knowledge pretty much stopped [TS]

  around middle school because that's when [TS]

  I stopped paying attention [TS]

  I really quite enjoyed 1776 so yeah so [TS]

  let's get into that we hours then [TS]

  because i think that one will be the [TS]

  will all I think sort of enjoy it to [TS]

  varying degrees [TS]

  this is the first time I've seen 1776 me [TS]

  and I don't have markedly different [TS]

  experience than the one kills as I [TS]

  should have [TS]

  why do you hate America Monty should i [TS]

  summarize the plot Jason before we get [TS]

  into it yes please please [TS]

  ok the year is 1776 oh my god spoilers i [TS]

  like to call this 13 angry small groups [TS]

  of men get us to build this wall around [TS]

  your heart so that no light can get into [TS]

  it huh is it more of a maintenance thing [TS]

  or is it like painting a bridge it just [TS]

  never ends or begins [TS]

  I think it's safer not to let light into [TS]

  your heart may be my animal magnetism [TS]

  there's a whole musical with puppets and [TS]

  stuff about how Phil gradually built his [TS]

  hardened wall around his heart so the [TS]

  year is 1776 is what you're saying yes [TS]

  the place America ok or or not quite [TS]

  America just yet [TS]

  it's Philadelphia and also dreams it's [TS]

  like diehard in Congress and things [TS]

  aren't things are not going well for the [TS]

  rebel con colonies their their their [TS]

  army is in disarray the the Congress is [TS]

  fighting and John Adams is obnoxious and [TS]

  disliked and trying trying mind you to [TS]

  get everyone to vote for independence [TS]

  this is something that 1776 has in [TS]

  common with a job Adams miniseries by [TS]

  the way that he's kind of unpleasant and [TS]

  people don't like him [TS]

  also with history also history would [TS]

  confirm this is not a plot device i have [TS]

  heard that um and and people who are [TS]

  better red than me can can dispute this [TS]

  but I I sort of think a lot of that has [TS]

  been colored by his presidency where he [TS]

  was not uh well liked [TS]

  yes as it as it as a younger gentleman [TS]

  he was far more respected and his is a [TS]

  a personality traits were sort of [TS]

  overlooked based upon his his brilliance [TS]

  as a as a thinker and a lawyer and our [TS]

  underwriter but yeah he was generally [TS]

  dislike [TS]

  well the alien Sedition Acts probably [TS]

  have something to do with calling our [TS]

  memory as well so that's that's that's [TS]

  part of it [TS]

  rrb horrible presidency you use a great [TS]

  pre president great post president in [TS]

  the office not so much but so but so [TS]

  much of so much of what was talking [TS]

  about is actually like directly from his [TS]

  correspondence especially the obnoxious [TS]

  and dislike line and I senior call from [TS]

  the from the John Adams miniseries that [TS]

  we could have watched instead he burnt a [TS]

  lot he destroyed a lot of his personal [TS]

  papers that might have been from happier [TS]

  times and what survives is the the [TS]

  embittered john adams he couldn't have [TS]

  been hated that much you got the job [TS]

  David McCullough 'he's book 1776 which [TS]

  is not the novelization of the movie is [TS]

  acting mean it kind of points out all [TS]

  the things that they got horribly [TS]

  horribly wrong or you know just sort of [TS]

  smoothed over for the purposes of drama [TS]

  but it is not exactly the most accurate [TS]

  version but its history its historical [TS]

  fiction [TS]

  yeah it is it is it isn't not accurate [TS]

  at all it and well for starters they [TS]

  didn't sing constantly in the First [TS]

  Continental Congress I hate to spoil it [TS]

  for you [TS]

  also also they probably don't have a [TS]

  giant pad of paper with the document [TS]

  number update on it and they're directly [TS]

  tear off every single day [TS]

  yeah where'd you get those printed up in [TS]

  1776 anyway you got a guy he got it you [TS]

  got it you got to have a guy but that [TS]

  you can get them lets you get those from [TS]

  you old hallmark store back vented that [TS]

  was a weird spelling either but at least [TS]

  at least one can say for 1776 that it [TS]

  utilizes some actual legitimate source [TS]

  material Franklin's quotes and Adams [TS]

  letters and it does it does get us get [TS]

  broad broad things correct bring you [TS]

  your not that you don't want to you [TS]

  don't want to expect that the sequence [TS]

  of events or even specific events of the [TS]

  that led up to the signing the adoption [TS]

  of the Declaration were correct but i [TS]

  think that if it delivers one thing that [TS]

  needs to be delivered its that man these [TS]

  the guts on these guys to not only to [TS]

  basically here's a piece of paper with [TS]

  all of our names on it so if this fails [TS]

  guys here's the list of people to round [TS]

  up and have hung and thank and in the [TS]

  end the idea that these weren't like you [TS]

  know 13 colonies united and liberty it [TS]

  now these are people who really had [TS]

  major major disagreements that need not [TS]

  even the entire all the colonies were [TS]

  like into this idea that they really had [TS]

  we talked around to this so you have so [TS]

  broad things that were that I think [TS]

  we're very very useful to impart [TS]

  especially given that as you say this is [TS]

  something the kids are going to see like [TS]

  you know when their air conditioning [TS]

  cocks out they need to go out to a movie [TS]

  theater in 1972 1973 but it's it's a [TS]

  useful thing or when your social studies [TS]

  teacher just does not want to pop it pop [TS]

  it out wanting to the old VCR this movie [TS]

  and Romeo and Juliet two movies that [TS]

  almost everybody will get to see if they [TS]

  don't have a really great teacher [TS]

  speaking of Hong there's a surprising [TS]

  number of jokes in this movie it's true [TS]

  sure if that's if that's legitimate or [TS]

  not but there is some amount of sexual [TS]

  force in this film oh no no no every [TS]

  book is a book called dr. Butler's [TS]

  legacy written by the great and late [TS]

  no apparently wrote a lot of really [TS]

  interesting books about language very [TS]

  fun with funny ones dr. ballows legacy [TS]

  defines this very specific point the [TS]

  eighteen-hundreds when people develop [TS]

  this horrible thing Steve which you [TS]

  would hate called sensibility and people [TS]

  start getting sensitive in the seventeen [TS]

  hundreds Duchess's would talk about [TS]

  their another parts using coarse [TS]

  language in the mid eighteen hundreds it [TS]

  was all considered you know de trop and [TS]

  it was all beneath everyone's dignity to [TS]

  do so it's actually very accurate in the [TS]

  seventeen hundreds of people go around [TS]

  making even much much in fact the movie [TS]

  was toned down what would have been [TS]

  written in that period and you know if [TS]

  you look at Franklin's papers he [TS]

  certainly has a lot of comments about a [TS]

  / apparatus and disease and so forth [TS]

  that one might employee in the sexual [TS]

  congress the impression I got from the [TS]

  beginning of this movie is that I and i [TS]

  thought this for a little while was they [TS]

  were going to make the argument that [TS]

  this whole declaration of independence [TS]

  thing would have been much easier [TS]

  if their wives had been with them for [TS]

  sex and that was like the biggest [TS]

  impediment was we left our wives at home [TS]

  when we came to the Congress and that is [TS]

  a problem except for Franklin who has no [TS]

  wife and no problem and ok and and [TS]

  several several sexually transmitted [TS]

  diseases let's not leave that out [TS]

  does he have the French disease i wonder [TS]

  oh well named named european country and [TS]

  he probably has the disease he had the [TS]

  best disease he had the English disease [TS]

  he never been to Venezuela so you never [TS]

  had the visible and agree disease but [TS]

  the austro-hungarian disease is used to [TS]

  have the Istanbul disease but I was [TS]

  constant Constantinople i would like to [TS]

  point out that one of the things movie [TS]

  got correct that is bizarre given my [TS]

  types in background is the unalienable [TS]

  enable think that's completely correct [TS]

  john adams did potentially in his I'm [TS]

  looking actually as we speak [TS]

  I wanted to double check the item he [TS]

  actually hand corrected the word that [TS]

  Jefferson wrote knees and inalienable [TS]

  several times to unalienable so the [TS]

  weirdest historical details are correct [TS]

  and the grossest ones are made false [TS]

  right i just had to close the loop on [TS]

  the accuracy or not they're of about the [TS]

  only thing that bothers me about the I I [TS]

  think John Dickinson and james wilson [TS]

  who are your kind of the villains of the [TS]

  peace [TS]

  yes they get a raw deal i think i think [TS]

  the because because you can't have kept [TS]

  the younger and George the third singing [TS]

  songs about how we're gonna we're gonna [TS]

  crush your rebellion that would require [TS]

  two sets so yeah that would have not [TS]

  another whole nother set that would have [TS]

  blown their budget so uh [TS]

  I i think if you if the only [TS]

  introduction to the signing the of the [TS]

  Declaration of Independence that you get [TS]

  is this movie that you will get a very [TS]

  skewed picture of what John Dickinson [TS]

  and james wilson we're actually about [TS]

  yeah but that's what's your we shouldn't [TS]

  worry that much about the office [TS]

  Salieri and Mozart were actually pretty [TS]

  ok friends and a business pretty certain [TS]

  the cellular didn't kill him out its [TS]

  cool down the whole movie [TS]

  murray Abraham you gotta go you gotta [TS]

  love that Darth Maul actually had a [TS]

  lovely speaking voice I i well I [TS]

  actually i think that the real star 1776 [TS]

  william daniels is great but phil [TS]

  hartman yea even and it was like 70 [TS]

  million in the three or five roles that [TS]

  he played that movie he was magnificent [TS]

  only be played the women to this is this [TS]

  is true one of my notes is that uh is I [TS]

  didn't know Troy McClure was in 1776 and [TS]

  it's got to be [TS]

  i mean i-i have to imagine that this is [TS]

  one of those movies that phil hartman [TS]

  watched and and maybe even riffed on [TS]

  some of these characters because they [TS]

  sound exactly like the movie characters [TS]

  that are done by phil hartman which is [TS]

  ironic because a lot of these people are [TS]

  stage actors making their their first [TS]

  movie and in some cases they're only [TS]

  movie yes yeah yeah and because they [TS]

  used a lot of the original cast or in [TS]

  the case of John column who plays a [TS]

  Rutledge from South Carolina and you who [TS]

  you may remember from such shows as [TS]

  northern exposure [TS]

  sure yeah calling calling he was [TS]

  actually the second or third guy to play [TS]

  Rutledge on Broadway was the third it [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  and he was the original choice but they [TS]

  couldn't get him they couldn't get them [TS]

  and then he played the part and they [TS]

  said well you're gonna be in them [TS]

  you're gonna be in a movie but a lot of [TS]

  these guys were stage actors and it's [TS]

  funny that you mentioned you you made [TS]

  the referenced Amadeus two of the actors [TS]

  who are in this movie go on to Piron [TS]

  Amadeus the fellow who plays Samuel [TS]

  chase of maryland and the fellow who [TS]

  plays live in all of Georgia are both in [TS]

  that movie and that that's what makes [TS]

  this movie stronger i love it when [TS]

  I i love it when you have the original [TS]

  broadway cast that made made a musical [TS]

  or play valuable enough to make a movie [TS]

  and they just simply transfer as much of [TS]

  that cast over because when you because [TS]

  it's like oh great [TS]

  gypsy starring Lillian Russell oh ok [TS]

  that's exactly what I wanted [TS]

  barbra streisand is as Dolly Levi oh [TS]

  wait that's not right is it [TS]

  russell crowe and Hugh Jackman just for [TS]

  example yeah if they casts a Clint [TS]

  Eastwood as Thomas Jefferson it's a [TS]

  totally different movie and not a very [TS]

  good one is paint your wagon will prove [TS]

  you have you have that you have these [TS]

  people that like have like been playing [TS]

  these roles like for hundreds of [TS]

  performances they absolutely are [TS]

  invested the absolutely believe in this [TS]

  as opposed to well I've got nothing book [TS]

  from august through october okay final [TS]

  do this little funny little movie and [TS]

  i'll link to the camera effect where my [TS]

  hockey jersey instead of you know that [TS]

  stifling wardrobe that's fine too but [TS]

  there are definitely things that that [TS]

  don't translate well to the to the [TS]

  screen that might have worked on the [TS]

  stage that last night as I was watching [TS]

  the movie the the the Scottish the the [TS]

  guy from Delaware mckean with all it [TS]

  that is just not a character that works [TS]

  for almost a race crime isn't it yeah [TS]

  boots model haha this is visibly that a [TS]

  faux hawk I that's that's that's a bit [TS]

  disappointed but I it i think actually [TS]

  the the MVP of the movie is Howard [TS]

  dasilva oh absolutely [TS]

  Benjamin Franklin really because I [TS]

  thought he sounded like he was doing a [TS]

  bad imitation of Edwin the entire time [TS]

  that voice of the choice well yes good [TS]

  he really did he was winning it up big [TS]

  time [TS]

  yes he was winning it up and I mean the [TS]

  whole time when I watched this time I [TS]

  just heard Andy so that I felt he was [TS]

  trying way too hard to make mildly funny [TS]

  things hilarious and for me it went the [TS]

  wrong direction [TS]

  the turkey is a noble bird source of [TS]

  sustenance interesting i enjoyed enjoyed [TS]

  Franklin but then Franklin is a great [TS]

  character just fundamentally because [TS]

  Franklin himself was a great character [TS]

  and so I kind of like the fact that [TS]

  there's this older guy and he's he's [TS]

  kinda back there in the background and [TS]

  i'm not sure how much of that is the [TS]

  script and how much of that is just is [TS]

  history into [TS]

  seating his yeah he seemed kind of broad [TS]

  but at the same time there's a lot of [TS]

  broad stuff happening in this movie and [TS]

  and I just enjoyed the character and the [TS]

  fact that he's he's he's doing all these [TS]

  matching nations behind-the-scenes you [TS]

  get the sense that you know he's he's [TS]

  he's got it all worked out and and it's [TS]

  just sort of like he is that why he's [TS]

  almost like that uh that wise elder [TS]

  figure that you see in some movies who [TS]

  is like he's not in the quarter yes now [TS]

  you understand there's some of that in [TS]

  there too i want to bring something up [TS]

  to which is that I'm i watch the [TS]

  directors cut which is another was one [TS]

  and I'm it seemed to go on in the nicest [TS]

  way interminably so you no longer [TS]

  remember all that much tougher than I [TS]

  thought [TS]

  yeah that's the 1i think that everybody [TS]

  sees now is the one that's three hours [TS]

  long [TS]

  I wonder yes it was released in 2002 so [TS]

  as the 1i saw i'm sure in high school [TS]

  that i saw on you know various like AMC [TS]

  or wherever they showed it that was [TS]

  apparently 20 minutes shorter and I [TS]

  didn't I mean I remember it being a [TS]

  little bit [TS]

  no more clipped and tighten my caucus [TS]

  seems to be that number probably didn't [TS]

  go on that long and so that's that's a [TS]

  good recollection replevin seen in this [TS]

  long-term I i have the set that have the [TS]

  same reaction to it as I had to the [TS]

  abyss where shall I tell the story [TS]

  Oh yep yep the story behind the cuts LOL [TS]

  to finish up I just by saying that I i [TS]

  haven't had the opposite reaction that I [TS]

  always liked this movie but it always [TS]

  seemed a bit choppy where their [TS]

  transitions that didn't make a whole lot [TS]

  of sense and like all white is why why [TS]

  they suddenly excited why do some why [TS]

  does everybody suddenly decide to run [TS]

  out of the room into the street yeah and [TS]

  why did that happen and how and how come [TS]

  and and how come like these two are [TS]

  acting like they had this long [TS]

  conversation that there's an [TS]

  understanding between the two them when [TS]

  they actually restored all those scenes [TS]

  i do i like this movie slide in mind [TS]

  that it was longer but I did think it [TS]

  improved the movie because it really [TS]

  seemed to stick together and also cool [TS]

  cool considerate men what a crime it was [TS]

  to lose that to begin with and here we [TS]

  go into my story so the movie is [TS]

  produced by Jack Warner who is a very [TS]

  close personal friend of President Nixon [TS]

  was the president in nineteen seventies [TS]

  72 for our younger listeners and [TS]

  remember you'll recognize some futurama [TS]

  yes will he be dropping by the podcast [TS]

  later perchance he might be I can do a [TS]

  great diction well let us know when you [TS]

  do is so much yet presidents on it [TS]

  shh don't tell Jack Warner screens the [TS]

  the the full cut for the president at [TS]

  the White House and Nixon found cool [TS]

  considerate men the number that Andy [TS]

  referred to just as e ve thought an [TS]

  attack on his presidency which it kinda [TS]

  was and he kind of became enraged and [TS]

  what Jack Warner said oh we're gonna [TS]

  we're gonna cut that number and they [TS]

  have probably cut some other things for [TS]

  for timing and for apparently they cut [TS]

  the hole opening credits each yes yes we [TS]

  used to just start with john adams up in [TS]

  the bell tower as i recall and um and as [TS]

  he's striding down the stairs to the the [TS]

  main hall it just says 1776 and they [TS]

  write delay the other credits till the [TS]

  end of the picture which I actually [TS]

  thought was a better uh opener [TS]

  agreed yeah i can go with that time for [TS]

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  finally with you like molasses to run [TS]

  two slaves and that is anybody there [TS]

  which are two songs that to two numbers [TS]

  that really would seem like on paper [TS]

  when you look when you read the lyrics [TS]

  like the lyrics are so flamboyant and so [TS]

  out there and the idea that here is a [TS]

  muse here is here is a dramatic song was [TS]

  going to sing all about the triangle [TS]

  trade and slavery if they put that the [TS]

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  you just wouldn't buy it at all on it [TS]

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  to round two slaves uh I I never really [TS]

  liked that was not know that but give me [TS]

  a moment well because the the gentleman [TS]

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  some sort of seizure on the floor again [TS]

  it's not a scene that's very filmed well [TS]

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  it sung there without the the stupid [TS]

  visuals where whereas yeah i think it's [TS]

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  director so he's going to use the [TS]

  African tricks instead of again says [TS]

  cinematography tricks to it whereas i [TS]

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  agree or you cannot be my friends in or [TS]

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  the moment it's a wonderful song the [TS]

  song about the the but Mr Adams but Mr [TS]

  Adams thank you that that is that is a [TS]

  wonderfully film scene that is a [TS]

  wonderful song that is that is I think [TS]

  that is high comedy and I think it's [TS]

  historically accurate and I enjoy it and [TS]

  if you don't enjoy you're a monster [TS]

  well you have to enjoy it because it's [TS]

  it's after 30 minutes of no music and [TS]

  music those 30 minutes for my favorite [TS]

  part of the movie to actually I gotta [TS]

  tell you the only thing about that song [TS]

  is you know and I i love it is it is [TS]

  high comedy it's it's a lot of fun [TS]

  it's adorable and I love william daniels [TS]

  but when I was watching it with the boys [TS]

  at the twelve-year-old liked it because [TS]

  they kept going you but you but you but [TS]

  each other [TS]

  you but I was like alright yeah there i [TS]

  can i can do it that the the pacing of [TS]

  the songs in this is bizarre like there [TS]

  are songs and then there's for their [TS]

  vast deserts where you are watching the [TS]

  drama that is 1776 and then somebody [TS]

  starts to sing in like what 10 right so [TS]

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  on so long without them complain [TS]

  anything that okay we're gonna go get a [TS]

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  union rules if if you're not playing for [TS]

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  it is a long long yet but to between [TS]

  songs they claim on the DVD commentary [TS]

  that they tried repeatedly to find a [TS]

  song they can shoehorn in there somehow [TS]

  nothing ever works which I find somewhat [TS]

  hard to believe considering how poorly [TS]

  some of the songs that are actually in [TS]

  the picture it it is just my opinion but [TS]

  that song that's about adverbs could [TS]

  have been shoved in anywhere in the [TS]

  movie and have been just as annoying you [TS]

  talk about lolly lolly lolly basically [TS]

  you yours yours yours wow the leaves of [TS]

  Virginia they also said that the leaves [TS]

  of rural Virginia was deliberately [TS]

  unbelievably over-the-top specifically [TS]

  so people wouldn't pass out during the [TS]

  following 30 minutes I want to ask about [TS]

  Lee speaking of the leaves'll Virginia [TS]

  my note my note here is who is this [TS]

  goofball it is the goddess of broad I [TS]

  mean it's like I kept waiting for the [TS]

  sad trombone to appear mr. [TS]

  some might be the jokes obviously [TS]

  annoyingly ridiculously repeatedly isn't [TS]

  that exactly like it's not like exactly [TS]

  your dream role if you cannot be like [TS]

  the star of the movie [TS]

  give me one number which i can just [TS]

  absolutely chew up the scenery for [TS]

  three-and-a-half minutes and then riding [TS]

  the wrong horse I ride off never to [TS]

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  that's what you want a good five days of [TS]

  filming everybody will like to ask [TS]

  Donald O'Connor make them laugh he's the [TS]

  universe is one big thing and and singin [TS]

  in the rain but that he could have [TS]

  retired right after that well but to to [TS]

  put to put it in Music Man terms to put [TS]

  in music me in terms this is the [TS]

  shipoopi of 1770 sure is [TS]

  wow I want to point out something about [TS]

  the singing which is that for having so [TS]

  many male voices and so few female [TS]

  there's not enough harmony [TS]

  I mean I'm not looking for barber shop [TS]

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  the kind of full chorus singing that [TS]

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  Congress good god was that fair [TS]

  very funny line and I complain about [TS]

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  terrible yes famed of yourself for enjoy [TS]

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  that was actually a funny little bit so [TS]

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  is what you're saying that what comes [TS]

  crimes like that i'm saying that they [TS]

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  sound like I i think it is ace a Syrian [TS]

  indictment of New England accent yeah I [TS]

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  look for New England accent okay more [TS]

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  speaking of Steve mentioned dick jokes [TS]

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  in the can Rhode Island passes jokes [TS]

  those were that's that's good stuff ah [TS]

  that was good stuff although I was [TS]

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  a hancock pond at any point in the film [TS]

  well i got that's in 1972 I think that [TS]

  maybe too far but Rhode Island passes [TS]

  while it [TS]

  rhode island is out in the Privy was [TS]

  that that was a laugh I was a [TS]

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  often used for X eliminating a waste [TS]

  material know my kids had abandoned the [TS]

  TV long before then [TS]

  yeah I quite like the the secretary I'd [TS]

  forgotten that role entirely it's a [TS]

  weird little part until he has that [TS]

  strange Muhammad vs I think General [TS]

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  this man has lost it [TS]

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  keeps getting interrupted every time he [TS]

  tries the president of the three the [TS]

  resolution so just let me get through [TS]

  what it is very very forgotten role I [TS]

  think I IE he always reminds me of [TS]

  Johnny from airplane yeah like for most [TS]

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  he comes in for a few good pops [TS]

  yeah I quite like the argument between [TS]

  atoms and dickinson where the exchanges [TS]

  I believe fribble madman landlord and [TS]

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  oh yeah and lawyers the one that finally [TS]

  pushes john adams over the edge [TS]

  that's too far just a game to him bridge [TS]

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  friendly's the frontal with rebels I [TS]

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  that new jersey that the guys from New [TS]

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  like oh yeah oh who are we right you [TS]

  don't even know a working Jersey where [TS]

  the guys from New Jersey are we really [TS]

  40 minutes into this before we mentioned [TS]

  that's the governor from Benson I like [TS]

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  this and that he is exactly the same [TS]

  character as he is in benson and it was [TS]

  it was weird because I lived in [TS]

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  John Witherspoon this and John [TS]

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  to who is actually well yeah the the [TS]

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  was that Aaron Sorkin must have watched [TS]

  this not just proved Bartlett switches [TS]

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  their rebellion is never legal I thought [TS]

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  and rather than have a huge celebration [TS]

  Adams just sits down and says it's done [TS]

  it's done and that's that's a really [TS]

  great moment because between the look on [TS]

  his face and the seven gallons of fake [TS]

  sweat that somebody sprayed around you [TS]

  you really feel his sudden realization [TS]

  of old crap what did I just get us into [TS]

  as in my version they'd freeze frame it [TS]

  and play journeys any way you want [TS]

  I don't know you're confusing 1776 with [TS]

  Caddyshack again it's coming [TS]

  mistake so now I i have to say though it [TS]

  in terms of in terms of inspiring fourth [TS]

  of July kind of patriotic moments the [TS]

  fact that the the vote that puts it over [TS]

  the top is Wilson and the only reason he [TS]

  votes the way he does is because he'll [TS]

  be remembered as the guy who stopped if [TS]

  he doesn't but if he says yes no one [TS]

  will remember him quite an accusation a [TS]

  movie hehe got it wrong but but whatever [TS]

  reason to vote that way but that's [TS]

  that's the thing pushes over the top is [TS]

  I don't want to stand in the way of this [TS]

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  partially surely some of that is just [TS]

  because he's tired dickinson pushing him [TS]

  around [TS]

  assuming he takes it for granted right [TS]

  Pennsylvania's but it's just a block and [TS]

  it always votes Pennsylvania and [TS]

  Dickinson is the voice there and then [TS]

  all of a sudden it on it unravels at the [TS]

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  door in the plot right of course Adams [TS]

  has had sent Franklin off to try and get [TS]

  that vote so when presumes that maybe [TS]

  there was some you know he said that [TS]

  Franklin would often planted a little [TS]

  seed in his mind if I may if I may to [TS]

  speak to the kids out there from hello [TS]

  kids I'm not sure what you should allow [TS]

  it but go ahead all out my kids I'm Phil [TS]

  I'm i may look like a bright guy i'm not [TS]

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  and I it is knowledgeable about American [TS]

  history that the and this is true but [TS]

  the speed bump at the end is the is the [TS]

  slavery question which has much more [TS]

  weight knowing what would happen 90 [TS]

  years hence and so I thought that was [TS]

  really i thought that was a really [TS]

  interesting point we get the the Roman [TS]

  slaves song although that is totally not [TS]

  John column singing that song and if no [TS]

  it is no it can't be can't what what hey [TS]

  it's nothing it sounds so unlike his [TS]

  speaking voice that it will then then [TS]

  I'm very confused because he's not doing [TS]

  a fake accent during it is amazing [TS]

  ok so then i would say this then then [TS]

  this is my complaint is he he [TS]

  modulated too much between that song and [TS]

  his speaking voice in the movie to the [TS]

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  i'll give you that it's like this is the [TS]

  recording session voice and this is the [TS]

  one I'm on the set voice and it's just [TS]

  that it took me out of it too but that's [TS]

  it that's it and that is a crazy musical [TS]

  number but i did find that was a [TS]

  surprising amount of weight like to andy [TS]

  said at that point in the movie it's [TS]

  able to bear down with that level of [TS]

  weight of like this is a thing that had [TS]

  to happen in order for the for the [TS]

  declaration to happen but that baked the [TS]

  Civil War basically into the country [TS]

  from the start and it was going to be a [TS]

  problem eventually and I liked that was [TS]

  in there I thought the moment was strong [TS]

  but the song was just so so over the top [TS]

  that it just took me out of it [TS]

  EMU's he's singing a perfectly fine song [TS]

  and then just suddenly he descends into [TS]

  go ya know how that's the entire point [TS]

  of it with it breaks us to break up the [TS]

  middle begs for god sakes man because [TS]

  he's really trying to wind people up and [TS]

  saying look you've been spending this [TS]

  entire debate try to make us feel bad [TS]

  for being 4 being slave-owners why don't [TS]

  you just admit that you're part of the [TS]

  problem to screw you right picture that [TS]

  moment the theater where he's doing that [TS]

  and people 19 studio the 1960s late [TS]

  sixties early seventies being confronted [TS]

  with that kind of presentation there was [TS]

  nothing like that [TS]

  being presented at that time everything [TS]

  else there's you know is so I think [TS]

  we've been a powerful moment the theater [TS]

  less so in the films by then and [TS]

  certainly the theater now [TS]

  yeah and he is amazing onstage use in [TS]

  here's the villain you're in town a [TS]

  couple years ago I got again not what [TS]

  we're if if he was on Broadway in the [TS]

  show you're in town which won a Tony and [TS]

  Pulitzer real show save he's not making [TS]

  it up [TS]

  I i saw Brent fault and yes and and and [TS]

  he's lovely in it but if you only know [TS]

  him from northern exposure than the only [TS]

  time you saw him sing was like in the [TS]

  Christmas episode where heatsink oh holy [TS]

  night with this very modulated angelic [TS]

  voice yeah and everyone would go hopping [TS]

  can sing there's a lot of people like [TS]

  that was the blame do all the guy who [TS]

  plays mcnair like that the custodian he [TS]

  is one of these like legendary Broadway [TS]

  guys who's just been and every single [TS]

  thing you've ever heard of but I was [TS]

  served [TS]

  what am I saw the man who came to dinner [TS]

  the maiden the nation lane production [TS]

  that was so funny is like oh look it's [TS]

  the guy from 1776 the best we actually [TS]

  looked for his background ago he's been [TS]

  essentially in every single play [TS]

  he's like he's easily is like having a [TS]

  it like how pixar can't do a movie about [TS]

  John Ratzenberger if you wanted to have [TS]

  success successful play you have to have [TS]

  William dwell in there somewhere i [TS]

  record I recognized him sooner than I [TS]

  recognize william daniels is william [TS]

  william daniels looks a little different [TS]

  but that guy's look the same for 40 [TS]

  years and I I think he's featured in [TS]

  quite a few sitcoms and TV shows along [TS]

  the way that guy was born old I think he [TS]

  was the the snitch on police squad [TS]

  yes now here's Johnny he was Johnny and [TS]

  he was in one flew over the cuckoo's [TS]

  nest one of my favorite movie was born [TS]

  in 1923 we died three years ago now so [TS]

  but he still that's very sad thank you [TS]

  for bringing that up Colin and there [TS]

  hasn't been a Broadway hit send everyone [TS]

  in this film is now dad to sit down [TS]

  through except that's quite untrue true [TS]

  John Adams days by dresser is dead can [TS]

  however is much alive [TS]

  william daniels still kick and wine [TS]

  mr. B I never noticed in the white [TS]

  shadow but ken ken Howard was a fine [TS]

  specimen of a man he was no seriously [TS]

  think that maybe the ponytail is what [TS]

  what finally pushed him over the top is [TS]

  ok this is I'm going I'm going to tell [TS]

  this is this is how far back i go with [TS]

  1776 I used to have I grew ponytail in [TS]

  college it wasn't because of 1776 but [TS]

  when it occurred to what occurred to me [TS]

  that like now that now that I was like [TS]

  it now that I was in college I I could [TS]

  act apply for my ponytail license I [TS]

  thought man John Adams look pretty good [TS]

  in that ponytail i'm going to all that [TS]

  give me the coverage to not get haircuts [TS]

  for 20 years that is who you based your [TS]

  look around with john adams know if [TS]

  somebody came up to you and said man why [TS]

  you were in that ponytail you'd say hey [TS]

  it looks great musical exactly the [TS]

  person i had you know it's it's it's a [TS]

  long time federalist I but also help [TS]

  I'll tell you another thing like ever it [TS]

  she also helped me to get through like [TS]

  New England summers because you know [TS]

  youryour it's 93 degrees and your sod [TS]

  you're sweating and then you're feeling [TS]

  like all kinds of self pity for yourself [TS]

  because you don't have air-conditioning [TS]

  and it really did turn my head around a [TS]

  little bit to realize that well how do [TS]

  they do that in 1776 like in real time [TS]

  as well they were ten layers of well and [TS]

  data simply didn't complain about it [TS]

  oh that's right I'm just I'm just [TS]

  feeling it twice as bad because i'm [TS]

  complaining about it all day i'll just [TS]

  suffer in silence and go forward [TS]

  yes they also died at 38 so there is [TS]

  that I i will say that's about the the [TS]

  movie there there's a problem I think [TS]

  with movie musicals where people [TS]

  suddenly break into song and it has this [TS]

  the sense this that the sense of not not [TS]

  real about it that takes you right out [TS]

  of the movie and and to its credit 1776 [TS]

  with the bright colors that everyone [TS]

  wears and the costuming and the way that [TS]

  the movie is filmed apart from the [TS]

  scenes that we mentioned that we thought [TS]

  the director did not do service to the [TS]

  material i think that it works it it as [TS]

  a movie you don't go [TS]

  why are these people suddenly singing [TS]

  this is this is this is crazy talk in a [TS]

  way that it wouldn't work another [TS]

  musical [TS]

  I don't know if I agree with that means [TS]

  that that's the convention of a musical [TS]

  these results also the convention that [TS]

  while my eyes just didn't just I didn't [TS]

  have a stroke and wake up and suddenly [TS]

  i'm looking at something else now wait [TS]

  there's a cut there oh that's not [TS]

  necessary that natural you start class [TS]

  over it but it is it is part of the [TS]

  magic of musicals that either it works [TS]

  for you or it doesn't and it is [TS]

  incredible that you can think that your [TS]

  friend stare is going to start like [TS]

  dancing about getting a shot at getting [TS]

  a shoeshine and it will feel like its [TS]

  most natural thing from to do in the [TS]

  world but in any other musical you have [TS]

  you know adam sandler try to open a can [TS]

  of olives and all my don't buy that at [TS]

  all [TS]

  you can either you can either buy into [TS]

  what the movie is selling or the movie [TS]

  can be so removed from reality that you [TS]

  don't even need to buy in because it's [TS]

  so stage and theatrical that of course [TS]

  they're going to sing i think is that's [TS]

  how i would i would decode what Phil [TS]

  said and that's sort of how I feel [TS]

  you're either completely engrossed and [TS]

  you'll go anywhere will take you or that [TS]

  you know when 1776 I feel like this is [TS]

  the way it is i feel like i'm in a [TS]

  theater it's it's completely unreal the [TS]

  part of my brain that would be saying [TS]

  what wait a second why are they singing [TS]

  has been turned off because it's not [TS]

  that kind of movie where whereas movies [TS]

  from a from a generation earlier of 1776 [TS]

  had do this very stage ii very we're [TS]

  doing a movie about the business we call [TS]

  show and so we're all going to sing now [TS]

  which I think segues nicely into Yankee [TS]

  Doodle Dandy and I make my final [TS]

  statement about 1776 before we go [TS]

  yes this is your last last-chance and [TS]

  then we'll never speak in a pot shots I [TS]

  really disliked all of the songs in this [TS]

  movie [TS]

  wow that is all [TS]

  ya comi you're basically gonna drop a [TS]

  deuce then walk away from it that's what [TS]

  you doing walking away i'm 10 open up a [TS]

  win we all liked the book of this movie [TS]

  you like the actual spoken non-sunni [TS]

  part here are two sentences i wrote down [TS]

  while watching this this is the only [TS]

  musical I've ever seen where I like the [TS]

  dialogue but hate the songs allowed who [TS]

  is so wrong and then i wrote down [TS]

  wait I no longer like the dialogue so [TS]

  that the songs are full of allegedly [TS]

  funny voices and forced Rhymes and I did [TS]

  not buy them for a second [TS]

  thanks i right are only light [TS]

  extemporaneous I won't put politics on [TS]

  paper it's a mania so I refuse to use [TS]

  the pen in Pennsylvania you're right [TS]

  doesn't scan at all [TS]

  David what you're gonna say something I [TS]

  mean talking about just people breaking [TS]

  out into song the one of the things that [TS]

  I like in this that I don't like from a [TS]

  lot of musicals in that late sixties [TS]

  early seventies period is that this one [TS]

  kind of gets be we always get trained [TS]

  that if you're going to write a musical [TS]

  the the only way for to really work as [TS]

  if these people have no other choice but [TS]

  to sing their their passions their their [TS]

  situations are just so intense and so [TS]

  dramatic that there's nothing left to do [TS]

  but sing and dance and and I I kind of [TS]

  see that in this i kinda like how it [TS]

  just sort of comes out it's not like oh [TS]

  we're going to do a number now for the [TS]

  most part [TS]

  some of them yeah it's hey let's do a [TS]

  number i'm so excited about meeting pin [TS]

  sent back home I must think about it it [TS]

  well that's that would be one that does [TS]

  not quite work do you know how hard it [TS]

  was to make pins instead we got my [TS]

  monograph and i'll read it to you you [TS]

  know Jefferson Jefferson had some of the [TS]

  slave starting to make nails at his [TS]

  plantation and boy it turned into a [TS]

  quite a nice little little business for [TS]

  okay we're gonna go around we're going [TS]

  to go around to the whole group and give [TS]

  a verdict on this one because i feel i [TS]

  feel like we are very much split on this [TS]

  which is very unlike the fourth of July [TS]

  when as we've been clear everybody must [TS]

  agree on everything so this is terrible [TS]

  David Laura what is your verdict on this [TS]

  1i I liked it up until the bond music at [TS]

  the very last moment [TS]

  wow ok it's it's really weird it just [TS]

  feels like it's gonna you know it's like [TS]

  Roger Sherman will return in 1776 to [TS]

  articles of Confederate see as the bill [TS]

  is rigged against this intense no [TS]

  dramatic and then you just expect the [TS]

  bond theme and opening credits to start [TS]

  like we [TS]

  the minute you expect me to talk [TS]

  Goldfinger no expect you to revolt Mr [TS]

  Bond [TS]

  so I Phil Phil you've you've sort of [TS]

  elaborated hear that you you have liked [TS]

  it and seemed to like it lasts every [TS]

  time you see it i think it is a fine [TS]

  movie to watch every other july 4th if [TS]

  that's your thing that's your jam if you [TS]

  like crap than you no no no no I as I [TS]

  was saying it's fun [TS]

  they're probably like 10 12 15 musicals [TS]

  I'd watch before this one if you put [TS]

  them in front of me but you know every [TS]

  every couple years if that you you're [TS]

  feeling a certain spirit around july 4th [TS]

  this is not a bad movie to watch it's an [TS]

  enjoyable lark all right Monty you you [TS]

  made your you made your feelings fairly [TS]

  clear I think barely made it through [TS]

  honestly and don't blame the era because [TS]

  there are good plays and musicals being [TS]

  done around this time to hi Margie I [TS]

  President Nixon and i agree with you [TS]

  Steve your thoughts your verdict [TS]

  I would like to have stained courteously [TS]

  haha very nice now I'm not gonna do that [TS]

  I'm going to actually say that I really [TS]

  liked it and I was shocked because I'd [TS]

  never heard of this before it was [TS]

  assigned as homework and I sat down and [TS]

  and there was a very broad john adams [TS]

  dialogue at the top and then a song that [TS]

  I didn't really understand and it seemed [TS]

  a little overwrought but once I settled [TS]

  into the whole spirit of the thing I [TS]

  really enjoyed it i was highly [TS]

  entertained was not annoyed by Howard [TS]

  dasilva I I thought william daniels was [TS]

  superb [TS]

  I owe money to my Booker is his sarcasm [TS]

  and his it just the constant dear God [TS]

  stuff was sleeping and I i actually I [TS]

  side a little bit with Monty and that i [TS]

  actually enjoyed the book better than I [TS]

  enjoyed the songs [TS]

  because I felt like they were sort of [TS]

  interrupting the flow of the thing there [TS]

  was some talk on the on the DVD [TS]

  commentary that some people had said [TS]

  when they when they witnessed the [TS]

  30-minute Gulf without without music [TS]

  that's it somewhat suggestive maybe [TS]

  should have just been a play and I i [TS]

  kind of right side on that side and yet [TS]

  nobody would know what 1776 was if it [TS]

  had music so it's probably a good thing [TS]

  that they did but I yeah I was [TS]

  surprisingly entertained by it and we'll [TS]

  probably watch again [TS]

  all right Glenn you you have like this [TS]

  you still like it after watching it [TS]

  again I i do I have a very very brief [TS]

  comments first i've listened to the [TS]

  soundtrack many times over the years and [TS]

  I think the soundtrack by itself without [TS]

  visual accompaniment or the book holds [TS]

  up very well it's fun [TS]

  the soundtrack is fun and it's got ups [TS]

  and downs but you know that the darker [TS]

  song so forth but it's a powerful [TS]

  soundtrack allow it [TS]

  ok second i think the movie is more [TS]

  boring than I remember because there are [TS]

  a lot of sort of it's a little bit of [TS]

  the the Federation is at warriors train [TS]

  a trade found a federation it's like a [TS]

  lot of money out that does not advance [TS]

  they must be Giants Jason it does not [TS]

  advance the plot as much as one eats too [TS]

  with the complexity what's going on but [TS]

  I think it's and it's it's it's good to [TS]

  watch and I think the staging is odd but [TS]

  I enjoyed seeing the film the third [TS]

  brief comment is this musical opened a [TS]

  little bit about a year before sometimes [TS]

  company and I think that 1776 is [TS]

  practically the populace of this kind of [TS]

  musical when you think about it i've [TS]

  seen stage once quite well and will [TS]

  reasonably well and the kind of musical [TS]

  it is a sort of fiddler on the roof and [TS]

  that sort of long ago 20 plus your [TS]

  stretch of this sort of thing [TS]

  this is kind of I don't know there were [TS]

  ones after this but this is an [TS]

  incredibly great outing of that sort and [TS]

  then entire musical theater really [TS]

  changes dramatically like you know [TS]

  months after it opens well it's also [TS]

  three [TS]

  three [TS]

  there's after cabaret so you like [TS]

  musicals had already started shifting [TS]

  dicaprio as much I thought company have [TS]

  a bigger impact his cabaret told a [TS]

  linear story just more you know more [TS]

  avant-garde I suppose also call so [TS]

  company's failure remember being [TS]

  separate 1,000,000 counties but [TS]

  everything sprung I know but having [TS]

  sprung from that company broke the [TS]

  theater that broke it in little night [TS]

  music and I mean sometime really just [TS]

  blew it up in this in the early [TS]

  seventies and then Sweeney Todd kind of [TS]

  that took it to the next level [TS]

  yeah so I just think as a historical [TS]

  thing like just both what what this is [TS]

  like it that last moment at which this [TS]

  is what everyone thinks of this musical [TS]

  theater tip you're listening to musical [TS]

  theater and obviously you have great [TS]

  affection for this movie and and have [TS]

  expressed it so i think i know your [TS]

  verdict exactly i'll it's because it's [TS]

  you don't always continue to like the [TS]

  movies that you like to the kids [TS]

  sometimes you're sometimes you're a [TS]

  little bit embarrassed about it and [TS]

  sometimes you still like it but you [TS]

  acknowledge how much of that is wrapped [TS]

  up in austell georgia but I can say that [TS]

  I still legitimately enjoy this movie [TS]

  every time i see is one of the few [TS]

  movies I've actually bought digitally [TS]

  because i want to have it on my devices [TS]

  but it it when I think one of the things [TS]

  that I appreciate apart from liking it [TS]

  is that I i think it's a damn shame that [TS]

  the most legendary Broadway casts the [TS]

  most important productions you can think [TS]

  of they're just dead they just go away [TS]

  because the original cast goes away [TS]

  there is no that you can if you think [TS]

  it's very modern ages there there [TS]

  videotape so if you go to a certain [TS]

  library you might be able to see it but [TS]

  you will never be able to see what Hello [TS]

  Dolly was like with the original cast [TS]

  the originals and something up like the [TS]

  original staging there are some problems [TS]

  but there's some things about 1776 the [TS]

  movie that make it and not as good as a [TS]

  movie could be like amadeuz they totally [TS]

  rebooted it as a movie and you can tell [TS]

  scene by scene by scene they did that [TS]

  way 1776 I appreciate the fact that they [TS]

  were trying to make a great movie but [TS]

  also at least subconsciously they [TS]

  thought let us preserve this wonderful [TS]

  thing that this cast has spent years [TS]

  developing and making and so if at least [TS]

  a lot of awkward shots and some scenes [TS]

  which you even as a kid I was thinking [TS]

  and that is one big-ass belfry while big [TS]

  is how big the top and that's all i got [TS]

  is 10 50 yard wide belfry and i can i [TS]

  can overlook and forgive that because I [TS]

  think it's much better to have preserved [TS]

  this wonderful thing that now succeeding [TS]

  generations can really really see it now [TS]

  I i definitely agree with that to take a [TS]

  modern example into the woods has a [TS]

  recorded great performance version of [TS]

  the broadway cast that's great and I [TS]

  think will probably continue to be great [TS]

  even after the movie version which stars [TS]

  movie stars instead of the Broadway [TS]

  actors well David night actually we were [TS]

  just talking about this on saturday and [TS]

  which is funny and it if he idea of [TS]

  preserving something of the ephemeral [TS]

  art of live production so that there's [TS]

  some record of that even though it's not [TS]

  the same is interesting [TS]

  my wife was on a school trip to see into [TS]

  the woods that day and they got notes [TS]

  when they they all got in their seats [TS]

  and open the programs and it said the [TS]

  original cast has returned to this one [TS]

  performance only because they're taping [TS]

  it for great performances and everyone [TS]

  went nuts like everytime i watch it you [TS]

  know it's like my wife is in there [TS]

  somewhere that's awesome so i will just [TS]

  say before we do have to move on because [TS]

  we have another movie and we have to [TS]

  talk about you dude Doodle Dandy at [TS]

  least briefly I i wanted i will just [TS]

  give you my verdict which is I didn't [TS]

  think the songs for any good i think [TS]

  provide i think that what I think I [TS]

  think that's perhaps that i have only [TS]

  ever business in this life only ever [TS]

  been exposed to them in this film and i [TS]

  like but I thought they were hard to [TS]

  even understand what they were saying a [TS]

  lot of points i found that the yeah yeah [TS]

  I didn't I didn't enjoy it perhaps I [TS]

  will watch it again sometime in a [TS]

  different frame of mind expecting what I [TS]

  now know this movie to be but I had a [TS]

  hard time hard time with it and didn't [TS]

  particularly enjoy it and boy it was [TS]

  long so that's the system franchisees [TS]

  doc and Jason surance i did enjoy the [TS]

  Attic it was John Adams that was great [TS]

  and and and a hauling was that that [TS]

  awful guy from South Carolina I do [TS]

  appreciate twitter because I mentioned [TS]

  some things about 1776 plus Washington [TS]

  Twitter and a twitter account called [TS]

  angry Sondheim we [TS]

  sponded alright that was good I i know [TS]

  that account well I should say I got [TS]

  nothing against william daniels I [TS]

  thought he did fine i just didn't like [TS]

  the song to sing [TS]

  alright let's move onto let's move on to [TS]

  Yankee Doodle Dandy I know I know I [TS]

  generally like things I'm shocked that i [TS]

  am actually in the crowd that thinks [TS]

  it's okay [TS]

  yeah well you are who I'm shocked about [TS]

  that too [TS]

  team fill in glen I can't believe that [TS]

  Phil likes things anyway uh as Steve [TS]

  likes things that's even crazier [TS]

  well let's correct that and talk about [TS]

  Yankee Doodle today yankee doodle dandy [TS]

  1942 yeah this is actually great [TS]

  sequencing because i have a feeling [TS]

  we'll all have been some agreement about [TS]

  this one will know now it's not gonna [TS]

  happen [TS]

  that's not gonna happen but this is [TS]

  directed by Michael Curtis who directed [TS]

  casablanca which is a great movie i wish [TS]

  you would watch that instead [TS]

  so you know it's gonna be good right [TS]

  right right [TS]

  it tells the story of georgian cohan and [TS]

  stars James k let's start let's oh ok so [TS]

  Georgia cohan Jewish was famous know [TS]

  he's Irish [TS]

  I don't win it's cohan Kairos the four [TS]

  cohan's he wrote many songs that are [TS]

  that are are well known and they decide [TS]

  to make a movie of his life as he was [TS]

  dying it was a movie made during world [TS]

  war two about a guy who came to fame in [TS]

  many ways writing patriotic songs during [TS]

  World world war one there is a framing [TS]

  sequence involving him being summoned to [TS]

  the White House because he's portraying [TS]

  Roosevelt on broadway and that's simply [TS]

  just not done so what is the president [TS]

  going to say is going to call them on [TS]

  the carpet and demand y co and why are [TS]

  you you doing this and it stars James [TS]

  Cagney as is that's exactly what FDR has [TS]

  time to deal with in 1942 and it starts [TS]

  Cagney's cohan along the way you get the [TS]

  sense and not being totally [TS]

  knowledgeable about the entire georgian [TS]

  cohan songbook it seems to me that this [TS]

  is essentially taking me George M cohan [TS]

  songbook and sort of telling you hit the [TS]

  story of his life and being able to drop [TS]

  in his famous songs as as you go so so [TS]

  it's like this is how we came up with [TS]

  that song and there's a lot of that in [TS]

  this too [TS]

  yeah it's a good synopsis as i [TS]

  understand it this movie as i understand [TS]

  it this movie was made by Cagney [TS]

  because people thought he was [TS]

  unpatriotic because he kept playing [TS]

  gangsters [TS]

  oh really so he wanted to play something [TS]

  as patriotic as he absolutely could [TS]

  so people would stop being mean to him [TS]

  yeah that's that's uh that's a pretty [TS]

  good summary of what happened [TS]

  I mean here so here's the thing i didn't [TS]

  love this movie either but I think I [TS]

  didn't Cagney is actually kind of great [TS]

  his dancing is amazing and he's a really [TS]

  well he's incredibly likeable I haven't [TS]

  seen him very much but he's I think he's [TS]

  fantastic and it is a little weird that [TS]

  he's about two years younger than his [TS]

  dad [TS]

  well well yeah but before I crap all [TS]

  over this movie let me haha have you [TS]

  feel like eating raisins for two days of [TS]

  preparation for this podcast okay yeah I [TS]

  want to open up a window [TS]

  um the the the argument in favor of this [TS]

  movie is that it is you get to see James [TS]

  Cagney deliver a great performance in a [TS]

  it [TS]

  II in a role that you really don't [TS]

  associate with James Cagney you [TS]

  associated him with gangster movies like [TS]

  white heat and the public enemy and such [TS]

  angels with you certainly don't expect [TS]

  them to tap that you certainly don't [TS]

  expect them to tap-dance exactly tough [TS]

  guys don't tap-dance and he is good he [TS]

  is very good in this movie which offers [TS]

  nothing else for anyone involved in the [TS]

  movie too and the musical numbers are [TS]

  all done in the and then we did this [TS]

  stage number here it is and it's it's [TS]

  not a musical in the sense that like [TS]

  1776 words people spontaneously break [TS]

  into song it is very staged very it's [TS]

  like literally hear is me writing this [TS]

  song or here is us performing this thing [TS]

  I just wrote so all of the music is [TS]

  really happening in the context of of [TS]

  reality of it is being produced if you [TS]

  if you if you have turner classic movies [TS]

  this is so familiar to you because that [TS]

  was like a genre of movies and musicals [TS]

  in the thirties and forties where Mr the [TS]

  the life history of Oscar Hammerstein [TS]

  like oh well you know here is 1911 I've [TS]

  just got a new packet although the [TS]

  package broken down if I only could [TS]

  write a song to make money to fix the [TS]

  packet [TS]

  and the equip the equivalent in this [TS]

  movie is they're trying to get the [TS]

  starlet to be in the movie and her to be [TS]

  in his his play and and while she's [TS]

  demanding that I well i'll never work [TS]

  with that cohan he's terrible and then [TS]

  he turns as well i just wrote this song [TS]

  for you [TS]

  let's look let's not let's not even less [TS]

  my skip over that the most insane [TS]

  framing device ahead has ever been put [TS]

  into a movie before you get into that [TS]

  andy has actually made a very salient [TS]

  point which is basically this is this [TS]

  movie is a is a biopic from the era [TS]

  before Wikipedia was invented something [TS]

  could say anything they wanted [TS]

  yeah it's basically and then this [TS]

  happened and this happened and this [TS]

  happened to and here's a song about it [TS]

  and a if you if you like your biopics [TS]

  where it's actually it [TS]

  it uses the character of the person's [TS]

  life to explore a larger issue about the [TS]

  human condition [TS]

  this is not the movie for you this that [TS]

  this is basically here is stuff that [TS]

  george m cohen road we're going to write [TS]

  songs around it [TS]

  there is no conflict in this movie the [TS]

  only bad things that ever happened to [TS]

  George Cohen as is as a kid he's kind of [TS]

  mouthy and then he writes a play that [TS]

  people don't like and then uh he gets [TS]

  beaten up once and and then his dad dies [TS]

  and those are the that's the extent of [TS]

  the bad things that ever happened to [TS]

  George and colder the note i made about [TS]

  this film was that there was an awful [TS]

  lot of business in their contracts and [TS]

  meetings and then giving his father the [TS]

  very weepy fifty percent interest and it [TS]

  was like we never signed a contract all [TS]

  we never had like it was sort of about [TS]

  ten percent contract and tort law I [TS]

  thought about you know eighty percent [TS]

  music it was very interesting that would [TS]

  look Laura can back me up on this but [TS]

  there's a there's a musical that was on [TS]

  Broadway called George M which was the [TS]

  life stroll Georgie it with joel grey [TS]

  which was the life story with your Jim [TS]

  Coan and it's it's not a great musical [TS]

  but at least it's it it's better than [TS]

  this movie because it actually [TS]

  incorporates the songs of georgian Cohen [TS]

  into his life story with the struggles [TS]

  in the ups and the downs in the highs [TS]

  and the lows whereas this is just one [TS]

  thing at well mr. president and then [TS]

  this happened [TS]

  if you if you have if you have if you [TS]

  have a an audience with like President [TS]

  Obama and he asked so boy long long trip [TS]

  getting here [TS]

  I sing let you sit down and talk for two [TS]

  hours give you your life story as I was [TS]

  watching this movie I thought this is [TS]

  this is the movie that will be made [TS]

  we're League Greenwood is called to [TS]

  president Ted Cruz's office at to talk [TS]

  about it about his highs and lows after [TS]

  writing i'm proud to be an American [TS]

  Georgia i'm still I'm still giving you [TS]

  the metal but you do know that there's a [TS]

  war on that I have to like kind of [TS]

  control here [TS]

  I i will say i mean at least when they [TS]

  made George M they had this to look back [TS]

  to and go [TS]

  don't do it like that home but yeah I [TS]

  mean I here's years we should make a [TS]

  confession [TS]

  aside from living in da Museum when I [TS]

  was five and six [TS]

  I used to do an act that had like local [TS]

  things because the bicentennial year I [TS]

  used to do a whole bunch of georgian [TS]

  cones goes hey look cute little [TS]

  five-year-old can sink and so we had the [TS]

  George M songbook and we saw this like [TS]

  20 times and I've have seen it too many [TS]

  times now did you sing speaking or did [TS]

  you actually sing it I actually say [TS]

  little dendi yankee doodle do or die [TS]

  yeah he doesn't he doesn't quite thing [TS]

  when even rex harrison is out singing [TS]

  you that's a private Rex Harrison [TS]

  exactly he doesn't need to sing it he's [TS]

  James Cagney wait a minute there's [TS]

  there's a part right when he said when [TS]

  he's composing one of the songs where he [TS]

  actually sings it any sounds fine but in [TS]

  theory I mean supposedly he sang like [TS]

  that because cohan himself saying like [TS]

  that that's right that's right [TS]

  any he tap-danced is sort of like a [TS]

  giraffe with gout because that's also [TS]

  how come here amy is an amazing tap [TS]

  dancer but i find this movie delightful [TS]

  every time I watch it I love this movie [TS]

  just because I enjoyed James Cagney in [TS]

  singer/dancer mode so much [TS]

  mhm and just him dancing up and down the [TS]

  steps [TS]

  oh my god love that scene oh that [TS]

  they're there are some wonderful moments [TS]

  in this movie [TS]

  let me sum up for the audience so that [TS]

  they can skip the the terrible part [TS]

  this shouldn't take long yeah that the [TS]

  part where he tap-danced is downstairs [TS]

  at the end of the movie is quite good [TS]

  I'm very very last scene of the movie [TS]

  and apparently improvised by kagney in [TS]

  that one moment I don't know if I that I [TS]

  yeah i did read that like so so the [TS]

  director said this was the director set [TS]

  up this huge shot easy either his place [TS]

  it on the storyboards is James caddy [TS]

  simply walks down this very long flight [TS]

  of stairs and does nothing i'm not sure [TS]

  if I'd buy that you can't believe many [TS]

  trivia a 1940s movie it's all made up by [TS]

  the publicity part nothing whatsoever [TS]

  happened in the rest of the film so why [TS]

  should that be any different [TS]

  it's suspicious because i feel like the [TS]

  metrics of these did this the depth of [TS]

  those stairs were made for a tap dance [TS]

  right I think that's how it feels like [TS]

  to me over the edge I mean that was a [TS]

  standard thing without you know with all [TS]

  the Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly films [TS]

  yeah the scene where is dad dies play by [TS]

  Walter Huston is actually quite touching [TS]

  although all be at the archetypal the [TS]

  I'm here one last moment [TS]

  uh-huh and then he that's gonna do this [TS]

  like that movie death if there are no [TS]

  snakes in it but that the either those [TS]

  are two great actors doing great [TS]

  actually things and I kind of like the [TS]

  scene where he was his wife where he's [TS]

  in disguise is an older man i love that [TS]

  scene III love that scene for several [TS]

  reasons i love it because he's got the [TS]

  old guy makeup on and this girl comes in [TS]

  that he obviously likes and he's got the [TS]

  old guy makeup but he decides I'm gonna [TS]

  screw around here i'm just gonna be like [TS]

  an old man and any reveal sweet it was [TS]

  like no I can I can still dance and he [TS]

  dances and she's like oh you're gonna [TS]

  give yourself a heart attack and then [TS]

  your your wrinkles are wiping off what [TS]

  is going on here but the funniest part [TS]

  is when the when the girl comes in and [TS]

  says so we're gonna go out on a date [TS]

  tonight and sleep yep and she's like is [TS]

  she a bit young for you I think I i [TS]

  think that's a hilarious little bit [TS]

  little bit i think that's a very funny [TS]

  bit but that's horrible mouth sound he [TS]

  makes several times that see that made [TS]

  me want to vomit slightly yeah well at [TS]

  the ne and the conversation with Eddie [TS]

  4a is also a wonderful [TS]

  oh yeah okay I'll throw that in there I [TS]

  agree that's a very good scene that is a [TS]

  classic comedy routine is I feel like [TS]

  I'm watching there [TS]

  the fact that it's any for junior in [TS]

  there being any boy and and that's the [TS]

  extent of it because as Anna as Andy [TS]

  mentioned there's this ridiculous [TS]

  framing device where the president of [TS]

  the United States you would think has [TS]

  better things to do calls that mr. [TS]

  president is how i met your let me let [TS]

  me explain something is this framing [TS]

  sequence the framing sequence in the [TS]

  Yankee Doodle Dandy is is as I said [TS]

  before he gets called to Washington [TS]

  because the president wants to talk to [TS]

  him because performing a role of the [TS]

  sitting president which is an actual an [TS]

  actual thing that happened he played [TS]

  roosevelt in a musical called I'd rather [TS]

  be right than president by Kaufman and [TS]

  Hart I think with Rodgers and Hart [TS]

  registered hurt so so they brought down [TS]

  he's brought down to Washington to meet [TS]

  him and it's like oh you know and [TS]

  there's trepidation right this [TS]

  reputation he goes in and and you sit [TS]

  down mr. Cohan and and and they and and [TS]

  then he proceeded to tell his life story [TS]

  which is strange but the stranger part [TS]

  is by the time we get to the end and we [TS]

  see him [TS]

  it literally if he was telling the story [TS]

  he'd be like well and then I was in this [TS]

  musical and I was and I was playing you [TS]

  forget I know that part just get to the [TS]

  end at and and you cut to Reuters [TS]

  abilities his face is just melted off as [TS]

  a skillet yeah the skeleton and this [TS]

  story is plug like an air like an [TS]

  airplane so the way of the way it [TS]

  resolves is that at the beginning of the [TS]

  movie were expected that there's tension [TS]

  that perhaps cohan doesn't is going to [TS]

  be in trouble with the president the [TS]

  united states you've gone too far this [TS]

  time George him [TS]

  oh and at the end he finishes his life [TS]

  story and and Roosevelt says here's the [TS]

  Congressional Medal of Honor you [TS]

  we need more singers and songwriters [TS]

  like you to write more patriotic songs [TS]

  to win us this next war like you wanted [TS]

  the last one [TS]

  alright cohan now get out of my office [TS]

  because honestly when you win the [TS]

  Congressional Medal Medal of Honor when [TS]

  you're awarded that he wanted done in a [TS]

  quiet ceremony rainy nights and related [TS]

  it's just you and the president exactly [TS]

  it used to used to be like the Dean [TS]

  Martin roasts they don't tell you about [TS]

  it they want to be a big surprise when [TS]

  Don Rickles cause your hockey puck you [TS]

  have the full impact [TS]

  yeah it's so that that part is that part [TS]

  is ridiculous and then but what I really [TS]

  love and this this is that whole who [TS]

  knew what [TS]

  publicly and privately because this [TS]

  movie made it made in 42 they roosevelt [TS]

  in the framing sequence never stands and [TS]

  yet there's also a very amusing thing [TS]

  because of course cohan does a whole big [TS]

  song and dance number that's strictly [TS]

  off the record right and that is he's [TS]

  singing and dancing again it's actually [TS]

  knowing that Roosevelt had polio it's [TS]

  like dancing Roosevelt that's crazy [TS]

  right [TS]

  so obviously the people who made the [TS]

  movie we're aware that Roosevelt didn't [TS]

  stand in public but but in the musical [TS]

  for that audience at that time [TS]

  Roosevelt sang and danced and that was [TS]

  seemed perfectly natural and knowing [TS]

  what we know about that now i found that [TS]

  hilarious actually and also intriguing [TS]

  that they that they did it that way and [TS]

  there's some people to this day who [TS]

  think that the wheelchair is from all [TS]

  the tap-dancing yes it was just plum [TS]

  tuckered out what's really preposterous [TS]

  about that scene framing device is I'd [TS]

  rather be right than president came out [TS]

  in 1937 so the premiere of the musical [TS]

  happens and he's called the white house [TS]

  and he tells the president of his life [TS]

  and if you look at the clock and [TS]

  five-year I'm last in the internal [TS]

  clocks in the final seed it's eleven [TS]

  o'clock at night when he gets the [TS]

  Congressional Medal of Honor in that [TS]

  quiet civic ceremony here [TS]

  do you realize that that the Pearl [TS]

  Harbor got bar because i was sitting [TS]

  here listening to you instead of wiping [TS]

  out my email [TS]

  exactly my point he goes out and there [TS]

  are people having a parade and eleven [TS]

  o'clock at night the soldiers going off [TS]

  to World War two [TS]

  yeah been there for five years and [TS]

  there's it's taken charge of to tell [TS]

  Roosevelt ceremony [TS]

  sorry George while you were telling your [TS]

  story I I nipped out to get reelected in [TS]

  1940 and deliver the speech before [TS]

  Congress that this was a date him for me [TS]

  but you kept talking so I didn't want to [TS]

  stop [TS]

  incidentally I while I was out there I [TS]

  contract at poly also perhaps you won't [TS]

  want to do it while tap-dancing buying [TS]

  me and then pulls back it goes and then [TS]

  we made a movie where I was talking [TS]

  about you i love you i love off the [TS]

  record though that's that I was actually [TS]

  had to capture that one and put on my [TS]

  ipod that was that's a little bit so [TS]

  that is the most entertaining i think [TS]

  number in the whole thing some of the [TS]

  early stuff whether they're showing like [TS]

  this is what old-time entertainment was [TS]

  in my notes here are this seems to be [TS]

  some kind of entertainment program [TS]

  because i found it not actually [TS]

  entertaining in any way and then again [TS]

  my modern sensibilities perhaps but i [TS]

  found the singing dancing the you know [TS]

  this is part of a larger set of acts [TS]

  that are going on and I found it really [TS]

  kind of a kind of dull and at the scene [TS]

  where he writes that song and dashes off [TS]

  of the starlet social be in his [TS]

  production which is actually one of his [TS]

  songs and and you're led to believe that [TS]

  he sort of written it in about 30 [TS]

  seconds in order to impress her [TS]

  honestly it sounds like a song that was [TS]

  written in about 30 seconds it doesn't [TS]

  impress me at all that that that is the [TS]

  only sexual tension in the movie by the [TS]

  way where I thought there was gonna be a [TS]

  thing where he's oh well the the [TS]

  beautiful starlet is going to fall in [TS]

  love with them and then they'll be no no [TS]

  he was apparently living with his not [TS]

  yet married wife was actually a second [TS]

  wife not discussed in the film but I [TS]

  that the scene there's a point where [TS]

  like the bacon ham thing like are they [TS]

  are they shacked up where does whose [TS]

  words that's that's but that's part of [TS]

  the fun of these kinds of movies like [TS]

  what one of the other things to watch [TS]

  out for is so it seems so it seems like [TS]

  this sort of them in the life of the [TS]

  songwriter there is a he's got a [TS]

  mysterious problem that's causing him to [TS]

  not be productive and you're trying to [TS]

  figure out is that what you're using the [TS]

  euphemism for he was actually a deeply [TS]

  closeted homosexual and he knew that he [TS]

  could never real that part [TS]

  let's make mickey rooney plata who was [TS]

  easy play one of these through Richard [TS]

  Hart I think maybe and it ends and they [TS]

  they bicycle words and music music thank [TS]

  you and so you give and so you revisit [TS]

  this man's actually biography realize [TS]

  that so basically this really incredibly [TS]

  huge and troubling problems that he had [TS]

  especially for a man like a man of that [TS]

  age that that period of that period of [TS]

  time of history and you basically try to [TS]

  say well the thing all these played by [TS]

  making for anyone to say he's troubled [TS]

  because he's short [TS]

  yeah everybody i think i think they're [TS]

  so I think there's something to it i [TS]

  think that you do have to have an [TS]

  experience with these kind of movies in [TS]

  order to like them [TS]

  because I do Jason I absolutely respect [TS]

  what you're saying because it doesn't [TS]

  hold together there's a lot of real [TS]

  Marky there's there's a lot of numbers [TS]

  that you're not really gonna like [TS]

  but if you are used to the idea that i'm [TS]

  not gonna expect it's like it's like a [TS]

  Transformers movie I'm not mrs. imac [TS]

  native sit down four characters and [TS]

  stories [TS]

  I'm just I'm just I'm just here to see a [TS]

  sequence of action sequences i'm going [TS]

  to individually like I i do want to use [TS]

  this exploit this to talk about no [TS]

  reason to mention this is my favorite [TS]

  one deep in my heart goodnight [TS]

  mid-fifties it's a supposedly a [TS]

  biography of Sigmund Romberg but it [TS]

  seemed as though they took every a-list [TS]

  mmmm GM Musical star who had two weeks [TS]

  on book and said guess what gene kelly [TS]

  you're going to do one number for this [TS]

  musical citrus did probably one of the [TS]

  most fantastic musical numbers she has [TS]

  ever done on screen to this day it's [TS]

  like but it's like the hairs my back my [TS]

  next pick up when I see her dancing in [TS]

  this number and so that that's what you [TS]

  get out of it you say I'm going to [TS]

  simply like to allow the I'm gonna allow [TS]

  myself to sit through the the quote [TS]

  dramatic parts of it and the quote [TS]

  comedic parts of it that mean what's the [TS]

  name of that movie it's called deep in [TS]

  my heart [TS]

  okay well watch that instead of Yankee [TS]

  Doodle Dandy so I so that it's Phil you [TS]

  said that you said that Yankee Doodle [TS]

  Dandy there's not a lot of conflict [TS]

  actually the one the one bit of conflict [TS]

  that i found here is that this is it [TS]

  strikes me that what the argument this [TS]

  movie is making is against cultural [TS]

  elites and that and that and at georgian [TS]

  cohan is a popular entertainer and that [TS]

  he meets resistance by forces that are [TS]

  trying to maintain the entertainment [TS]

  status quo those people who are inviting [TS]

  them to Broadway but he gets out of line [TS]

  and so they don't invite him because [TS]

  he's not going to play by their rules [TS]

  and there's the line and we get to [TS]

  Broadway you know the the ad for a [TS]

  conversation actually has an undertone [TS]

  of that like wow this cone guy thinks [TS]

  he's so great and then the line that [TS]

  really hammers at home as he says who am [TS]

  i I'm just a regular guy who knows what [TS]

  regular guys like and I felt like that [TS]

  was the message of this movie was [TS]

  essentially George Cohen is great [TS]

  because he's a regular American not one [TS]

  of these fancy big city entertainment [TS]

  industry types who [TS]

  like highfalutin errors and things like [TS]

  he just have the Broadway guy you want [TS]

  to have a beer with my polling numbers [TS]

  are great i'm just an American Russa who [TS]

  is bryce patriotic songs and I don't get [TS]

  into all that fancy stuff and I I felt [TS]

  like that was actually that was [TS]

  throughout that was sort of like the one [TS]

  thing that i glean from the meaning of [TS]

  this movie was a cohan was popularised [TS]

  the populists and a regular guy and and [TS]

  not like some of that other kind of [TS]

  entertainment you have maybe totally [TS]

  rethink this movie but don't mind if [TS]

  that's a point there seriously trying to [TS]

  make them they really really buried it [TS]

  well I mean it is no big that was just [TS]

  that was the under I think it's not even [TS]

  the point you're trying to make as much [TS]

  as I I think that's my perception from [TS]

  this of who cohan either was or who they [TS]

  wanted to portray a mass was an every [TS]

  man who was a regular guy he understood [TS]

  what regular guys liked that was very [TS]

  much his face so yeah it's very [TS]

  plausible that was just intentional from [TS]

  the get go there there's a scene which [TS]

  is my second favorite scene after the [TS]

  horrible framing device where he has his [TS]

  horrible flop where he tries to do a [TS]

  dramatic Broadway number and he's he's [TS]

  give it to me straight dad evil have [TS]

  always given it to me straight [TS]

  well son we can all have a horrible [TS]

  failure sometimes and so he even eats [TS]

  always have this horrible failure [TS]

  failure and he's trying to cope with [TS]

  that and then the Lusitania get sunk [TS]

  that very night and there's a voiceover [TS]

  with him talking to President well I [TS]

  guess that's what we get for not writing [TS]

  flag-waving song where it's oh if only [TS]

  we had written another version of its a [TS]

  grand old flag because then the [TS]

  Lusitania was never have been sunk and [TS]

  Archduke Ferdinand will you know where [TS]

  every time we get a little comfortable [TS]

  and everything's okay and then somebody [TS]

  takes a shot at us so it's time to write [TS]

  more patriotic songs trying to try to [TS]

  bamboozle some more teenage boys and [TS]

  getting killed [TS]

  haha so song writers write any songs to [TS]

  keep things for speaking keep things [TS]

  being okay let's maintain don't take [TS]

  your eye off the ball [TS]

  yep good good words to live by there the [TS]

  other things that I want to mention i [TS]

  want to mention how this movie handles [TS]

  the passage of time there's a what [TS]

  think it's actually kind of a clever [TS]

  montage where they paid panning across [TS]

  times square and you can see that the [TS]

  years are changing and and time is [TS]

  marching on because you'll see like that [TS]

  this is the play of of 1937 and and then [TS]

  it will say voted you know one 1938 [TS]

  award or whatever and and it goes on a [TS]

  little long but I I thought that [TS]

  especially for the time it was a fairly [TS]

  sophisticated way of showing the passage [TS]

  of time through his career [TS]

  that's a nice change from the spinning [TS]

  newspaper thing yeah but however early [TS]

  on there is one of the most ham-handed [TS]

  timing things I've ever seen a movie [TS]

  that we're we're early very early in [TS]

  pictured a pan past the building that [TS]

  just has a big sign on it this is 1878 [TS]

  and I think what is that for are they [TS]

  just flash stating on the building just [TS]

  some point they were very happy and 1878 [TS]

  to have erected that building back in [TS]

  the 19th century people to know what [TS]

  year it was says in 1877 the building [TS]

  burned to the ground and then a guy [TS]

  reaches up and tears off this [TS]

  yeah sure everything every year they [TS]

  pull it that was not so good but the [TS]

  later one was pretty good and then I [TS]

  wanted to mention my other favorite [TS]

  scene from this movie Phil is the scene [TS]

  where he's retired he's gone into [TS]

  retirement and he's in like his hammock [TS]

  or whatever and then and then some [TS]

  teenagers appear and they don't know who [TS]

  he is and they and they sing a popular [TS]

  song of the day which is nothing like [TS]

  over there or jeepers creepers it's [TS]

  jeepers creepers not over there it's a [TS]

  grand old flag it's just these are these [TS]

  are beatniks these are hippies you know [TS]

  but not yet but they would be eventually [TS]

  they're just teenagers and he is [TS]

  outraged by these teenagers who don't [TS]

  appreciate him or know anything about [TS]

  him or the entertainment industry and [TS]

  they also don't know how to decode the [TS]

  obscure variety Daily Variety headline [TS]

  format so that that's a hilariously [TS]

  weird scene although it seems kind of [TS]

  amazing that in 1942 people would have [TS]

  completely forgiven the kids would have [TS]

  completely forgotten about over there a [TS]

  grand old flag because I'm certainly [TS]

  aware of them [TS]

  I don't know hey uh are we gonna talk [TS]

  are we going to talk about that that [TS]

  seem that difficult scene we're going to [TS]

  mention that scene oh yeah there's a [TS]

  black facing here although although it's [TS]

  bri its brief and it i was doing that [TS]

  1878 sign it's taking [TS]

  place in like 80 or 85 it is it is it is [TS]

  accurate for what the entertainment [TS]

  would have been with his family at that [TS]

  point at the same time yes there's about [TS]

  30 seconds where they're in blackface i [TS]

  mentioned this on Twitter and several [TS]

  people like there's no black face seen [TS]

  that movie yeah I'm not God and then I [TS]

  say to them so in holiday and remember [TS]

  the blackberry seat see Molly and they [TS]

  say nearly movement watching it on TV [TS]

  right yeah that's the thing though is [TS]

  there they're going for accuracy with [TS]

  all these musical numbers which is why [TS]

  they're stage so boring no no it's is [TS]

  also at that time the the someone point [TS]

  me to wikipedia has a list called list [TS]

  of entertainers known to performed in [TS]

  blackface and it goes on and on and on [TS]

  so there are many many films that we [TS]

  probably think we're familiar with that [TS]

  maybe we're not produced in a shown even [TS]

  in their unedited modern form there's [TS]

  some here that i do not recall ever [TS]

  seeing black basin and I thought I've [TS]

  seen on AMC so yes it is a thing of that [TS]

  time is not as egregious holiday and [TS]

  which two votes in terrible terrible [TS]

  horrible long Long's one of my favorite [TS]

  movies is duck soup [TS]

  yes watch it every year and i honestly [TS]

  think we should probably watch it on [TS]

  this we should but that there are some [TS]

  jokes in in a duck soup that you know [TS]

  they were don't pass muster for us here [TS]

  in the 21st century that that are kinda [TS]

  awkward that you used to sort of cringe [TS]

  when you hear him and I actually once [TS]

  watch duck soup in a theater in oakland [TS]

  oh why we're where they mean where they [TS]

  made these the there's now been burned [TS]

  to the ground [TS]

  ya know the audience did the audience [TS]

  did not react well although beforehand [TS]

  they showed a UH a newsreel from the [TS]

  nineteen fifties that featured the Shah [TS]

  of Iran and the Shah of Iran actually [TS]

  got more cat calls than the than the [TS]

  racially tinged humor of the nineteen [TS]

  thirties Marx Brothers movie so take [TS]

  from that what you will [TS]

  anyhow I i guess this is a roundabout [TS]

  way of saying for me yeah it's an [TS]

  unfortunate uh [TS]

  a relic of our past it's not as [TS]

  uncomfortable as the holiday in scene is [TS]

  as images but no there are few things in [TS]

  life that are more in comfortable and [TS]

  yet i enjoy holiday and more than enjoy [TS]

  Yankee Doodle yes that's true [TS]

  absolutely there's a show there was I [TS]

  wanted to see her ever read up that [TS]

  Donald O'Connor and and very Ellen [TS]

  actually did a movie at musical together [TS]

  like just as they were supposed to [TS]

  before Donald Connor got sick for four [TS]

  white Christmas and so i'm hoping i [TS]

  watch this and courses on youtube great [TS]

  i'll see it and enjoying it be and then [TS]

  12 minutes in it's revealed that the big [TS]

  that the big musical thing is that while [TS]

  we're going to reveal we're gonna revive [TS]

  the old minstrel show tradition John 30 [TS]

  minutes of the dance again blackface and [TS]

  number after number after number and [TS]

  this was shot like 1953 like I feel like [TS]

  a hard to believe that fell into the [TS]

  public domain and no one wanted to [TS]

  register that trademark is there is it [TS]

  like if tentative if there's [TS]

  colorization technology is there like [TS]

  decolorization we can just basically [TS]

  take the makeup off these people so we [TS]

  can watch this these numbers without [TS]

  cringing this was incidentally the first [TS]

  film to be colorized by ted turner and [TS]

  is really wow that's right Ted Turner [TS]

  had an elk his by style and it was [TS]

  raptured bison yeah he's got a lot of [TS]

  that too actually i saw is what you [TS]

  should ask her out and Rudolph the [TS]

  red-nosed reindeer [TS]

  I was in Montana and I saw Ted Turner [TS]

  elk were driving out near his property [TS]

  and the milk so they're gonna go letting [TS]

  elkin yell King thank you [TS]

  so there's a couple things i do like [TS]

  here uh I like the fact that Mary is [TS]

  only on stage because the dog act got [TS]

  drunk himself probably got them drunk so [TS]

  I appreciate that but but she sings his [TS]

  song which is perfectly fine but that [TS]

  doesn't matter because you're not [TS]

  supposed to follow to disobey the [TS]

  managers directions and so he says i [TS]

  don't care if they're drunk they're [TS]

  going on i like i like the bit where [TS]

  George's dad spanks is but and says [TS]

  here's one place without any talent [TS]

  before he does it which limited the [TS]

  states and i were exchanging bone know [TS]

  about the notion of corporal punishment [TS]

  during those scenes while all tweeting [TS]

  yes [TS]

  the desirability or non desirability of [TS]

  corporal punishment I and i have to say [TS]

  he kind of turned around he was a bratty [TS]

  little kid who really kind of ruined [TS]

  like the family's entire career [TS]

  trajectory because he was being a jerk [TS]

  so I can you know i'm not going to [TS]

  advocate the hitting your kid but but if [TS]

  it you know he kind of key kind of [TS]

  deserved it anyway I am and he did so he [TS]

  confesses gonna call the president [TS]

  yes mr. president absolved him of that [TS]

  they skipped the scene Roosevelt [TS]

  actually put him over his knee [TS]

  I like less the creepy old fat german [TS]

  producer who says we have in the women [TS]

  little rose better that is Carl the [TS]

  waiter from Casablanca that is like the [TS]

  one part where there's a character with [TS]

  any actual character so I'm give him his [TS]

  props for that is the Hungarian what's [TS]

  the sk David knows this sec Cal [TS]

  wonderful actor and kagney hated being [TS]

  on screen with him because he thought [TS]

  that he was being upstaged right he was [TS]

  yes and and lastly last scene i'd like [TS]

  to mention just another part of the [TS]

  times I where they walk out of the death [TS]

  bedroom is Georges saying goodbye to his [TS]

  father and the guy i'm not sure who he [TS]

  is [TS]

  cigarette doc the doc says why sure [TS]

  lights it's super-handsome along yeah [TS]

  well sure yeah cigarettes help you [TS]

  grieve yeah I guess so [TS]

  so uh yeah so this was a movie that I i [TS]

  actually was entertained sort of [TS]

  watching it but i don't think i would [TS]

  recommend other than the fact to say I [TS]

  James khaki i did a great job he did it [TS]

  was it was there for all the cheesiness [TS]

  that's in this and I don't think the the [TS]

  Georgian cohan songbook is particularly [TS]

  strong idea kagney was great [TS]

  it's that it's definitely of a time it [TS]

  is palpably of a time in fact the point [TS]

  where I feel bad really ripping on it [TS]

  too much because it definitely feels [TS]

  like it is a competently produced [TS]

  product of its era and does what it [TS]

  intends to do I think that we are in a [TS]

  much more sophisticated and and [TS]

  questioning and cynical era where it [TS]

  it's difficult to take some of it [TS]

  seriously but even through all of that [TS]

  time and all those cultural changes you [TS]

  if you were an alien drop down with no [TS]

  knowledge of history at all and you [TS]

  watch this should be like who's this [TS]

  actor you know cuz Cagney is that good [TS]

  is that good in this I enjoy this movie [TS]

  a lot but really just for kagney luckily [TS]

  he's in the center of the screen like [TS]

  ninety percent of the top if they took [TS]

  out all the musical numbers and just [TS]

  left kagney acting parts that would be a [TS]

  better film by 5i agree would be better [TS]

  because he's talking drives me nuts [TS]

  he sounds like he's sounds like Bob [TS]

  Dylan before the cigarettes and Yankee [TS]

  Doodle Dandy that doesn't work for me [TS]

  I have nothing bad to say about this [TS]

  movie I enjoy it almost completely huh [TS]

  all right now once again you're wrong [TS]

  because I'm completely out of my mind by [TS]

  this movie although i did i did [TS]

  appreciate Cagney's acting and his [TS]

  dancing ability and his well not so much [TS]

  the singing although he does singing [TS]

  sounds okay so i really wish they had [TS]

  chosen to whitewash that part of cohan's [TS]

  life in addition to the rest of it but [TS]

  yeah I just you know it's I like Jason I [TS]

  feel bad bashing the film because I [TS]

  understand it is of its time but at the [TS]

  same time it just doesn't work anymore [TS]

  I'm sorry I mean I I like it I much [TS]

  prefer Fred and Ginger films if I'm [TS]

  gonna go for black and white musical but [TS]

  you know I have a soft spot for but the [TS]

  thing that it always reminds me of an [TS]

  eye [TS]

  I've always wondered if this was an [TS]

  intentional thing they did because I i [TS]

  think it was also a Warner Brothers film [TS]

  that there's that loony toon cartoon [TS]

  where bugs is telling his life story is [TS]

  history and in showbiz and the whole [TS]

  first part of it is now when we started [TS]

  as a chorus boy and they just keep doing [TS]

  the same number every show like we're [TS]

  the boys and we hope you liked our show [TS]

  yeah and it's like and then I was going [TS]

  to go this show with the Bozeman and [TS]

  over and over and over again and he [TS]

  finally comes back in a Musical and at [TS]

  the end of the cartoonists where's the [TS]

  boys in the chorus [TS]

  noon and then I've always thought that [TS]

  because it's because it's the same [TS]

  framing device it's not the president [TS]

  but it's it's telling the life story [TS]

  it's the the same vaudeville stuff [TS]

  throughout and I've always wondered if [TS]

  that was intentional [TS]

  it was definitely i don't know if it was [TS]

  intentionally based on that movie but I [TS]

  die I do think this is a trope again I i [TS]

  loved i love to eat I love TCM i love I [TS]

  actually do like these sort of jukebox [TS]

  movies and that really fits the give us [TS]

  give us give them the slightest framing [TS]

  device they need because no one cares [TS]

  about that but not the end that [TS]

  production that shouldn't let this movie [TS]

  off the hook because mean you mentioned [TS]

  the RKO RKO black-and-white different [TS]

  surgeons Rogers movies those are also [TS]

  musicals but they have a plot that goes [TS]

  from start to finish where you have [TS]

  characters that you like to follow and [TS]

  lots of comedy going on so they don't [TS]

  you don't have to just get to the dance [TS]

  number i just watched one of those a [TS]

  couple hours ago it was the story of [TS]

  vernon Irene castle [TS]

  oh that was fantastic film it is but it [TS]

  was weird because it has multiple dance [TS]

  numbers that are supposed to be bad [TS]

  yea ND weird watching Fred Astaire and [TS]

  Ginger Rogers dance bad on purpose so [TS]

  that wasn't for my own / tweeted this [TS]

  because i'm watching the movie and I [TS]

  thought that's the film that this [TS]

  reminds me of except that film is [TS]

  incredibly good at the story arc there's [TS]

  conflict and there's supply won't spoil [TS]

  the ending well I actually disagree the [TS]

  story arc in that movie is all messed up [TS]

  yes yeah I the pacing is weird [TS]

  they spend seventy percent of the movie [TS]

  struggling and then hit for instance [TS]

  wild success after a 20-minute all but [TS]

  it was it was a huge propaganda film was [TS]

  actually made for propaganda purposes it [TS]

  was the last one they need for RKO [TS]

  I think so yeah and then of course [TS]

  there's the ending which also i will not [TS]

  spoil it but it was nothing really [TS]

  fitted with the story if any uh final [TS]

  yankee doodle dandy thoughts behind i [TS]

  have a few alright [TS]

  laying on his film hello young people [TS]

  hi Phil you've heard a lot to you heard [TS]

  us talking tonight about Yankee Doodle [TS]

  Dandy as if it's a movie that you should [TS]

  watch what I'm sure have [TS]

  gosh feel I did hear that really the [TS]

  idea behind old movie club was that it's [TS]

  here are some movies that hold up over [TS]

  time and that that that you can go back [TS]

  and look at and go oh boy this is an [TS]

  entertaining movie even though it's 40 [TS]

  50 60 years old this is not yankee [TS]

  doodle dandy and if you are looking to [TS]

  see a great performance by James Cagney [TS]

  was a fine actor go see white heat go [TS]

  see the public enemy if you want to see [TS]

  him doing a role that he's not really [TS]

  associated with it with Josie 123 which [TS]

  is not a great movie but it's a fun [TS]

  Billy Wilder comment comedy and he he's [TS]

  good in it go see mr. Roberts where he [TS]

  he plays the villain character quite [TS]

  delightfully there are lots of movies [TS]

  that you can see that aren't Yankee [TS]

  Doodle Dandy America appreciate James [TS]

  Cagney as an actor [TS]

  there are lots of movies that you can [TS]

  see that will make you appreciate [TS]

  America basically every movie made in [TS]

  America that isn't Yankee Doodle Tampa [TS]

  although i will say you should probably [TS]

  watch 30 to 40 seconds of this just so [TS]

  you can go oh wow [TS]

  kagney can dance go onto youtube if you [TS]

  want to see kagney dance you should [TS]

  watch footlight parade which is a much [TS]

  better movie or or the seven little foys [TS]

  and has some crazy crazy Busby see those [TS]

  two are go on youtube and do a search [TS]

  for him doing I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy [TS]

  or give my regards to Broadway you've [TS]

  seen the good parts of the movie so what [TS]

  i will recommend is if you if you would [TS]

  like to if you would like to see [TS]

  something inspiring and patriotic on the [TS]

  fourth of July turn off your television [TS]

  walk outside and watch the fireworks [TS]

  because that will be a better show here [TS]

  to talk about your drunken dead workin [TS]

  with your uncle about the barbecue fire [TS]

  right then Yankee Doodle Dandy anyway [TS]

  the Andy okay oh I Wilson since we're [TS]

  talking to the kids today [TS]

  yes i will i will say that you know [TS]

  this is you I think that you will enjoy [TS]

  this because this is much like how you [TS]

  remember kids like how you you go on [TS]

  read it and you find out you find [TS]

  yourself talking about your video links [TS]

  that are really really good and then in [TS]

  between there's like maybe five or ten [TS]

  minutes so clicking on like picture [TS]

  links and then ended and gifs the [TS]

  animated gifts that aren't very good at [TS]

  all [TS]

  this is exactly like this you will find [TS]

  you will feel for you will find out but [TS]

  a really nice for five secs and sets [TS]

  eclipse on this mule really really like [TS]

  with a lot of things about cats with [TS]

  fruit on their head that you have seen a [TS]

  million times before you don't really [TS]

  understand and don't try to make sense [TS]

  of it as a sequence of entertainment but [TS]

  enjoy the bits that are there to be [TS]

  enjoyed because there are their kids and [TS]

  they are there to be very very much [TS]

  enjoyed also if the President of the [TS]

  United States summons you to the White [TS]

  House in a rainstorm in the middle of [TS]

  the night and says that it's going to be [TS]

  to give you a medal [TS]

  don't go all that that's another good [TS]

  point and i also remember that like [TS]

  you're not supposed to know that like he [TS]

  has polio and can't get up but [TS]

  definitely take that opportunity to like [TS]

  rifle through like all the other drawers [TS]

  in the oval office because what's he [TS]

  going to do is behind the desk and [TS]

  there's no see there's no secret service [TS]

  they're gonna leave you all alone to [TS]

  dance down those stairs [TS]

  you're dressed up as Roosevelt you could [TS]

  kill him and take him out take over the [TS]

  presidency [TS]

  I'm sorry this was not three days this [TS]

  was not three days of the kagney guys [TS]

  yeah when you think he'd want to be [TS]

  played by kagney like you're subtracting [TS]

  a wheelchair hear somebody who wants to [TS]

  portray you as somebody who runs back [TS]

  and forth across the stage all the time [TS]

  I think you'd like to be taller though [TS]

  it's it's the movie Dave just 40 years [TS]

  earlier [TS]

  ok anything more about Courtney Weaver [TS]

  is many degrees hotter than Eleanor [TS]

  Roosevelt i should say alright what is [TS]

  your user you've been reading my [TS]

  fanfiction again i continue to like this [TS]

  movie [TS]

  alright so what here's what here's [TS]

  what's happening we have learned some [TS]

  things about old movie club we've [TS]

  resolved to talk about the about the the [TS]

  Marx Brothers in a future edition so [TS]

  there's hope for the future kids but [TS]

  it's going to be loved happy and the big [TS]

  screen sorry everybody [TS]

  haha what exactly what i could do a [TS]

  night in casablanca oh god no [TS]

  huh that doesn't know how do Casablanca [TS]

  and then a night in casablanca you know [TS]

  if you do a day at the races we get our [TS]

  Marx Brothers blackface number as well [TS]

  as well that's tree there is that that's [TS]

  true and that those movies were shouting [TS]

  at the screen you're Jewish in these in [TS]

  early 2020s century do you not [TS]

  understand what you're doing here [TS]

  they didn't not now apparently not [TS]

  we're not Jewish one of them's Italian [TS]

  he's not Italian it's chico it's chico [TS]

  anyway this is this is all what you're [TS]

  going to get in our exciting marx [TS]

  brothers episode when that happens [TS]

  alright well that wraps up this edition [TS]

  of the old movie club i'm so glad we had [TS]

  this topical idea and that Twitter told [TS]

  us to do this right Phil yeah that's [TS]

  great thanks people you really you [TS]

  really did us a solid their people who [TS]

  on twitter i enjoyed this I'm sorry if [TS]

  you had a bad time if I want to add a [TS]

  part in that i'm sorry but i enjoyed [TS]

  this was a very good podcast yeah we [TS]

  have reason to be proud of this i enjoy [TS]

  i enjoyed watching these movies I'd not [TS]

  seen either of these movies before and [TS]

  so at it [TS]

  old movie club served its fundamental [TS]

  purpose was to make me watch things that [TS]

  I've never seen before the job done [TS]

  okay once again like Reddit videos tabs [TS]

  some things that you wish you could [TS]

  unsee [TS]

  not that I was so I'm educated i was [TS]

  educated by this excellent excellent [TS]

  let's not let's not put this episode [TS]

  into a shame hole and then cover it up [TS]

  because i think that we can be very very [TS]

  pleased with ourselves that somewhere [TS]

  the butter zone just by chance we need [TS]

  to keep that shame hole open because i'm [TS]

  sure we'll need it [TS]

  let's see is the is the movie shame hold [TS]

  on come available because if not that's [TS]

  a good idea for podcast that this [TS]

  episode is not canon this is not part of [TS]

  the the the old movie club story arc [TS]

  this is a crisis on infinite old movie [TS]

  clubs [TS]

  I'd like to I'd like to take a moment to [TS]

  tell you about our sponsor [TS] the same hole beautiful you [TS]

  really should read that at the top so [TS]

  they couldn't back out after they heard [TS]

  the widescreen shame whole something a [TS]

  pretty good podcast name any flies too [TS]

  many flies we learned we've grown we've [TS]

  seen to move [TS]

  these and we can move on with our lives [TS]

  now and I like to thank my participants [TS]

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  club of of tonight of our special fourth [TS]

  of July episode Steve let's thanks for [TS]

  being here and watching the movies [TS]

  oh thank you Jason and if I said [TS]

  anything accidental to make you mad [TS]

  I want you to know I'm darn glad i did [TS]

  alright excellent work [TS]

  David Laura thank you for being here and [TS]

  thank you and i will see you all in new [TS]

  brunswick through the drinking in the [TS]

  horse all right Glenn fleischmann thank [TS]

  you for coming back on as as you have [TS]

  been like 12 episodes in a row good job [TS]

  high five [TS]

  thank you for tolerating the everyone I [TS]

  you don't know me haha [TS]

  Monty Ashley thank you for being here [TS]

  everybody but me is wrong [TS]

  all right offensive perfectly valid [TS]

  opinion the whole I suppose [TS]

  Andy and not coplanar as always please [TS]

  mr. snow must you start talking house [TS]

  meant to sleep and of course the the guy [TS]

  who usually is responsible for these but [TS]

  not really this one Phil Michaels thank [TS]

  you [TS]

  my mother thinks you my father thinks [TS]

  you and screw you and Helen my sister [TS]

  she died like 15 years ago and we didn't [TS]

  even put it in the movie no happened off [TS]

  camera and I NS for me your host I've [TS]

  stained courteously couldn't call and [TS]

  thank you for listening to being [TS]

  comfortable but the hell goes on over [TS]

  there [TS]

  the podcasting studio we'll see you next [TS]

  time [TS]