The Talk Show

◼   ► okay shut up an elegant start

◼   ► welcome to the evening welcome to the

◼   ► the first live episode of the talkshow

◼   ► exciting

◼   ► thank thank you for having me I we are

◼   ► here at 111 minna in the zapper room

◼   ► pretty cool very nice

◼   ► yeah and joining me for the show up here

◼   ► on stage is cable sasser hello thank you

◼   ► for cheering and not doing so I was just

◼   ► saying the cable a couple minutes ago

◼   ► funny enough I've done three live

◼   ► podcasts in my life and all three have

◼   ► been with cancer I don't know how and I

◼   ► i didn't realize that until after I'd

◼   ► invited him to do this show and then I

◼   ► was like looking back on it was a couple

◼   ► years ago we did a thing at macworld

◼   ► expo where we were in like a booth it's

◼   ► almost hard to call it alive episode how

◼   ► would you describe that but this is very

◼   ► strange

◼   ► I just remember being in the booth at

◼   ► the plastic window next door and write

◼   ► so many people walking by and me being

◼   ► so distracted wanting to look at

◼   ► everybody walking by and people sort of

◼   ► waving and knocking on the people i and

◼   ► and the gist of it was it was supposed

◼   ► to be soundproof because the the show

◼   ► floor expo is really really acoustically

◼   ► horrendous it so they put us in this

◼   ► plastic fish bowl and it did sound

◼   ► better the audio came out good any idea

◼   ► where always that they were going to

◼   ► pipe it live to the other side and that

◼   ► people could be there but nobody could

◼   ► get that close to us and there was

◼   ► nobody there

◼   ► no and all we did is it was me and cable

◼   ► and your PIN so foundered Stephen Frank

◼   ► talking and people would walk by and

◼   ► right when they walk by the speaker they

◼   ► was her second look around see us in the

◼   ► fishbowl and then get creeped out and

◼   ► radical it's absolutely true that

◼   ► conversation is notable because that's

◼   ► when we brought up the concept of claim

◼   ► charter that's where we told you we've

◼   ► been joking about this in the office

◼   ► like trying to come up with the term for

◼   ► these situations where people make these

◼   ► outrageous claims that you know are

◼   ► going to be false but they still you

◼   ► know dedicate themselves to it and Steve

◼   ► came up with this term claim chatter and

◼   ► I remember you laughing for maybe about

◼   ► six minutes tricky

◼   ► heard that and the rest is history you

◼   ► guys still have the domain right yeah i

◼   ► do have claimed so if you guys are like

◼   ► anybody wants and needs to do anything

◼   ► chatter dot-com yes is and John sends a

◼   ► check every month which is totally

◼   ► awesome

◼   ► that's pretty much what's keeping the

◼   ► company afloat right now though so I

◼   ► don't wanna I don't push my look you

◼   ► know I have a confession to make I've

◼   ► never actually listen to the talk show

◼   ► but but but that didn't stop me from

◼   ► reading it one star right that's just

◼   ► want you to know I'm doing my part and

◼   ► doing my part

◼   ► yeah we we have a good crowd here we

◼   ► have a very good crowd i suspect that

◼   ► most of the people here are the two star

◼   ► review people i think 23 yeah i think a

◼   ► lot of you and 3 star raiders here which

◼   ► is very nice i didn't I don't think the

◼   ► ones are people showed up but but then

◼   ► the other time we did a live show was

◼   ► Jason's now who's here

◼   ► editorial director of macworld back in

◼   ► 2007 he invited me to do a live daring

◼   ► fireball we called it I on the show

◼   ► floor and this time it was much more

◼   ► like this there's a little stage or

◼   ► kiosk ered do something and yeah a real

◼   ► crowd of people who were there

◼   ► and-and-and I had you and I agreed to it

◼   ► in advance ended up it was the day that

◼   ► the original iphone was introduced as a

◼   ► pretty intense so it was like five hours

◼   ► after the keynote and I listened to it

◼   ► on the plane right out just to make sure

◼   ► I don't ask you the same questions again

◼   ► and I was really blown away by what we

◼   ► talked about like how it was either

◼   ► depression like we was just about to ask

◼   ► if we want we look really swear way

◼   ► yeah ah i would say the one thing you

◼   ► were a little bit wrong about is that

◼   ► great thanks for well I'm habited no i

◼   ► haven't listened to it yeah not bad

◼   ► motherfucker a jot it down from what you

◼   ► said is you said well there's a question

◼   ► about ball iphone thing is gonna be a

◼   ► flop

◼   ► no no all right we don't know there and

◼   ► there was a show of hands we didn't

◼   ► think the other there were another

◼   ► product that can introduce the same day

◼   ► and I didn't even remember this same day

◼   ► that the original iphone was introduced

◼   ► apple TV was introduced this wow the old

◼   ► spinning hard disk out and be somebody

◼   ► that's quite what they and I both on the

◼   ► same day

◼   ► and the crowd was obviously very smart

◼   ► or at least representative of the market

◼   ► a large because you asked you said okay

◼   ► show of hands and I am how many people

◼   ► here think they're gonna buy an iphone

◼   ► and everybody's hands go and we had to

◼   ► like interrupting like dad's plane to

◼   ► all the listeners who are listening to

◼   ► the podcast okay everybody's hand just

◼   ► went up it was literally everybody's

◼   ► hand yeah and then later on like you

◼   ► know 20 minutes later we're talking

◼   ► about the new Apple TV and you

◼   ► you said I hey who's gonna buy an Apple

◼   ► TV and there's like one guy and that's

◼   ► why it's a hobby right yeah I'm

◼   ► interesting you said that you called it

◼   ► the the question about the quote the

◼   ► whole third-party developer thing

◼   ► oh because it was a real Mary at that

◼   ► point that's totally true

◼   ► like we know in hindsight that the whole

◼   ► first year the iphone there were no

◼   ► third-party apps there was no apps or

◼   ► book on that first day we actually

◼   ► didn't even know that what would they

◼   ► didn't do the sweet solution that no

◼   ► that is a capital WWDC we'd solution

◼   ► right that was provided air quotes if

◼   ► you're listening at home that was six

◼   ► months later at WWDC that first day just

◼   ► you know Apple never tells you what's

◼   ► not included right now so there was and

◼   ► there was no answer on it I mean it was

◼   ► presumably there's no apps because they

◼   ► didn't say anything but it really made

◼   ► sense at the time that there is

◼   ► everybody sort of you know the word that

◼   ► was passed along among attendees was

◼   ► this was Steve's like precious

◼   ► incredible device and he did not want

◼   ► anything else on that phone right it was

◼   ► just going to be what what Apple puts on

◼   ► there and I kinda made logical sense at

◼   ► the time like oh well that kind of sucks

◼   ► for house but so it goes it was

◼   ► wondering you said is that if we do get

◼   ► the chance to write abs for this thing

◼   ► you were like I'm gonna be all over it

◼   ► yeah and that kind of didn't work out

◼   ► that way that's an interesting point

◼   ► because it was it things we have at that

◼   ► point so you know we make consumers

◼   ► stuff we made like audion which was this

◼   ► early mp3 player and and and and stuff

◼   ► more tuned to the average market and we

◼   ► wanted to make a photo thing but that

◼   ► was right before I photo came out and so

◼   ► we kind of have this string of things

◼   ► happen we're like Apple is going in this

◼   ► consumer direction if we do that we're

◼   ► just gonna get steamrolled every single

◼   ► time and so I think we made a

◼   ► subconscious which to we

◼   ► have to be more professional we have to

◼   ► shoot for bigger more complicated apps

◼   ► for you know Pro users or else we're

◼   ► just gonna keep getting steamrolled and

◼   ► then the iphone really throw a curve

◼   ► right because we were in this mode and

◼   ► then iphone became the most consumer

◼   ► great thing imaginable right like with

◼   ► with the angry birds and the farting

◼   ► apps and a host of you know it was like

◼   ► it totally win in a direction that that

◼   ► we were not 22 at that time so it's

◼   ► really interesting so then you know

◼   ► looking at it now in the context of the

◼   ► ipad and and diet soda which is our iPad

◼   ► version of our web editor that I you

◼   ► know that's like our pro thing for the

◼   ► ipad we still yet to really crack like

◼   ► go back to consumer really you know

◼   ► user-friendly consumer software and I i

◼   ► I'd like us to go back in that direction

◼   ► for all possible just trying to find the

◼   ► right things first but i digress i'm

◼   ► more more on that later on the other

◼   ► thing that we I thought both of us

◼   ► together we serve we sort of like just

◼   ► talked her way into the idea during the

◼   ► show of isn't everybody going to

◼   ► immediately start clamoring for this

◼   ► interface and this OS on something more

◼   ► of like a tablet sauce yes I turns out

◼   ► you have to get up and it it really is

◼   ► just a big iphone let's behind it it

◼   ► really does come across those two guys

◼   ► who like recorded this podcast today and

◼   ► they're claiming it was in 2007 on the

◼   ► day the iphone into that's good right

◼   ► the other thing we talked about that day

◼   ► is our mutual long-standing obsession

◼   ► with what was then called high DPI canal

◼   ► called retina display mac software

◼   ► yeah because and that's been a topic at

◼   ► WWDC like long-term WWDC attendees will

◼   ► recall from yeah i mean easily six seven

◼   ► years ago I remember 2007 I think we got

◼   ► Apple Design Award for Kota won and I

◼   ► remember them saying onstage and it's

◼   ► even got right you know high DPI assets

◼   ► or whatever and everyone kind of laughs

◼   ► too little because it was so far from

◼   ► reality and I i don't know maybe 2006

◼   ► 2005 one of those years there was that

◼   ► it was sort of like one of the main

◼   ► themes WWDC long was get your apps high

◼   ► DPI right get your at and we were so

◼   ► excited this is january 2007 we thought

◼   ► me and you thought that

◼   ► retina display max were like around the

◼   ► corner we are ready I've been thinking

◼   ► that for a very long time to hell yeah

◼   ► and now we can say we're right yeah

◼   ► finally we are totally right so you saw

◼   ► it you looked at it I i have 1i have a

◼   ► review unit from apple and so I have it

◼   ► it's great i guess i should do like an

◼   ► off-the-cuff quick review like first

◼   ► impression thing i would love to hear

◼   ► that I i I'm so one thing I didn't know

◼   ► before i started using it is the highest

◼   ► DPI is the on the phones retina display

◼   ► that's like 330 something and then that

◼   ► I ipad pixels-per-inch is 266 or 267

◼   ► something like done and now this one is

◼   ► it to 20 so it's the lowest

◼   ► pixels-per-inch but it's also the one

◼   ► you naturally use the farthest distance

◼   ► from your eyes sure

◼   ► and my impression is easily that it's

◼   ► the sharpest like while using it's the

◼   ► one that seems the crazy sharpest oh man

◼   ► I and it really feels like i'm using a

◼   ► fake version of Mac os10 yep

◼   ► ah yeah that's how retina things have

◼   ► always felt right

◼   ► you just have to peel off the little

◼   ► sticker oh yes first and like like

◼   ► somebody made and I know that they've

◼   ► done this for demos and for keynote

◼   ► swear if they want to show a zoomed-in

◼   ► part of the interface right rejected

◼   ► really big

◼   ► yeah and I remember I i actually used to

◼   ► collect these apple PR images that would

◼   ► have these 2x or 3x mock-ups they would

◼   ► be four giant banners in the apple store

◼   ► you know various places it's always

◼   ► interesting to see how they would

◼   ► recognize these assets right long before

◼   ► they did yeah I another example of it is

◼   ► when they've done print ads over the

◼   ► year that show the interface at greater

◼   ► than real size they redo everything so

◼   ► that the graphics are the quality of the

◼   ► printing not you know you don't see

◼   ► jaggies right and that's what it looks

◼   ► like why you're just using the computer

◼   ► it looks like you're using the fake

◼   ► version they mocked up in Illustrator I

◼   ► really need for the Yuuzhan a glossy

◼   ► display

◼   ► yeah I

◼   ► and I mean obviously it's apple they're

◼   ► going to save the greatest thing ever

◼   ► but they were it really does it's just a

◼   ► better-looking display than the phones

◼   ► are the ipads I mean it just has better

◼   ► color it it's it's just sort of

◼   ► mind-blowing i was reading some gizmodo

◼   ► comments and those guys didn't seem too

◼   ► excited about that so i don't know i

◼   ► think I side with those guys is really

◼   ► just a joke

◼   ► everything's a joke anyways I the other

◼   ► thing I think everybody here has gotta

◼   ► be an agreement with with the whole

◼   ► every time you go from a pre-rendered

◼   ► device to the retina device the thing

◼   ► that juts out is the apps that haven't

◼   ► been updated to support the retina right

◼   ► and i also think that the progression is

◼   ► that they look far worse on this device

◼   ► like they did on the ipad we made them

◼   ► look worse than on the iphone like the

◼   ► iphone i always thought it was kind of

◼   ► tolerable using the non-retina naps

◼   ► until everything got recognized but on

◼   ► the mac it really really sticks out

◼   ► it it it's gonna be interesting it's it

◼   ► looks like you're gonna hurt yourself by

◼   ► touching the Jaguar of the pixel right

◼   ► and in your experience using this laptop

◼   ► it i mean are you seeing this a lot are

◼   ► a lot of things not looking great and

◼   ► yeah I will say this well we'll get back

◼   ► to it but I did I will talk about coding

◼   ► later but coda I did launch kota

◼   ► anticipating it and you you so you

◼   ► haven't seen Cody run right this way

◼   ► hold up so far as I could tell in about

◼   ► two minutes of poking around everything

◼   ► looks less like it worked whatever you

◼   ► did to anticipate it took so much work

◼   ► right there are all sorts of thank you

◼   ► thank you

◼   ► it's all the guys in the office it's all

◼   ► I just drew some things but um yeah when

◼   ► we were developing kota I mean not to

◼   ► jump ahead but yeah it was you know at

◼   ► some point towards the end it's like

◼   ► things were kind of slowing down a

◼   ► little bit and we were just like let's

◼   ► take a crack at this because the OS

◼   ► obviously was was headed in that

◼   ► direction rapidly you know it was a no

◼   ► longer just a weird developer option

◼   ► that you had to install xcode well you

◼   ► still kinda had install echoecho but

◼   ► anyways it was more easily accessible so

◼   ► yeah it was an interesting process

◼   ► because you know there's art side of it

◼   ► had you know redo a bunch of assets

◼   ► which is you know just a process but

◼   ► then there's all sorts of stuff that's

◼   ► drawn and code that was just crazy you

◼   ► know progress bar that just like crazy

◼   ► and things that but my favorite thing

◼   ► about it I'm jumping ahead again but

◼   ► that's okay

◼   ► is that those we did these crazy tab

◼   ► thumbnails you've talked about him in

◼   ► greater we sort of visualize your tabs

◼   ► and I'm always a little bit nervous

◼   ► about that idea cause it's just so

◼   ► different but you know we if it's a text

◼   ► document will show the actual text of

◼   ► the document and the first time we ran

◼   ► it and retina and realize that you know

◼   ► you can actually read the text in the

◼   ► thumbnails and I was like oh of course

◼   ► we knew that all along like we were

◼   ► shooting for retina with this feature

◼   ► and just like nervous will be like who

◼   ► but yeah it that part really excited

◼   ► because I'm like this is this is where

◼   ► its valuable right this is like where

◼   ► the detail really really shines bright

◼   ► and so the other thing that occurs to me

◼   ► is because I used to do back when I did

◼   ► design work I didn't a lot of print

◼   ► design and and I was on the school

◼   ► newspaper and like doing the school

◼   ► newspaper in the nineties with monitors

◼   ► that I guess words the OS treated

◼   ► everything is 72 pixels per inch but it

◼   ► was it was getting a little higher than

◼   ► that but not much

◼   ► I don't think I think was probably need

◼   ► like the best display was probably like

◼   ► in the eighties or maybe 90

◼   ► pixels-per-inch using print shop for

◼   ► this something more elaborate you know

◼   ► quarkxpress right okay I'm but when you

◼   ► design stuff like when you're designing

◼   ► a newspaper on a display that had at

◼   ► best 90 pixels-per-inch it was a very

◼   ► crude representation it was very clear

◼   ► that the real thing we were making was

◼   ► this 600 DPI output that was going to

◼   ► come out of the big laser printer and

◼   ► that was the real thing and in the

◼   ► meantime though we had this wonderful

◼   ► software that lets you use this very

◼   ► very crude representation of it you know

◼   ► where no font looked like the font right

◼   ► on screen not everything is small enough

◼   ► you just get that little like

◼   ► checkerboard pattern right and we didn't

◼   ► even have anti-aliasing for fonts at the

◼   ► time while i right

◼   ► so it was all just like a you know this

◼   ► is what we think it's going to look like

◼   ► but then you'd have to print it out and

◼   ► like look at it and see what the real

◼   ► thing is and that

◼   ► is absolutely what like retina does this

◼   ► is like all of a sudden it feels like

◼   ► after twenty-some years of using a

◼   ► Macintosh that I finally have a real

◼   ► mcintosh awesome that's right

◼   ► that is awesome like the fonts look

◼   ► right we're doing a walk right so are

◼   ► you are you a 15 inch powerbook man

◼   ► alright man Bob macbook pro man total

◼   ► macbook air

◼   ► yeah the 32 inch macbook air and i love

◼   ► the macbook air so much and it's i'm a

◼   ► little bit nervous about in my mind

◼   ► going backwards like I really like the

◼   ► you know the tapered shape but I don't

◼   ► know if I can go back to like the way it

◼   ► kind of makes me nervous and the shape

◼   ► makes me nervous but at the same time

◼   ► it's like I've obviously been waiting so

◼   ► many years for retina screen so whatever

◼   ► right i don't want to do because I'm

◼   ► like a big big desktop on my desk guy

◼   ► with an 11-inch era that carry around

◼   ► guy in a 15 inch which is what i used to

◼   ► use for years and years and years like

◼   ► what i really wish that I had never

◼   ► given that up and that i'd still just

◼   ► stuck with using up your teenager you're

◼   ► really this is great because then this

◼   ► new one ya feel so good night

◼   ► yeah and so sharp whereas it still feels

◼   ► like a brick to me because it's so much

◼   ► heavier than the 11-inch never get back

◼   ► from the air so how long until the

◼   ► errors have redness screens

◼   ► I don't know that does you know anybody

◼   ► here work for apple yeah they wouldn't

◼   ► say and presumably a long time now I

◼   ► feel like that's why they refreshed

◼   ► because it wasn't just a minor refresh

◼   ► to the 11-inch and 13-inch MacBook Airs

◼   ► yesterday it was like a major new

◼   ► chipset right at all new ram i mean i

◼   ► think that's sort of a message that you

◼   ► can buy an air today and I'm guessing be

◼   ► at least a year

◼   ► I don't know yeah I would think so right

◼   ► and everything else I mean everything's

◼   ► it's inevitable that it's all going to

◼   ► go that way right right a line will go

◼   ► that way the cinema displays in the you

◼   ► know

◼   ► yeah right its it i don't know how long

◼   ► it's going to take but sooner rather

◼   ► than later

◼   ► every single Mac will have this display

◼   ► and you won't be able to buy one without

◼   ► it were you surprised when i said that

◼   ► adobe was gonna retin-a his photoshop i

◼   ► don't know why i laughed when I said I'm

◼   ► sorry I tried to play it totally

◼   ► straight and I totally failed

◼   ► um I don't know it just seems like that

◼   ► kind of second is sometimes challenging

◼   ► for them but maybe

◼   ► I'm trying to be so okay what do you

◼   ► think John you know what I it wasn't

◼   ► hers and there was there were very few

◼   ► third-party shoutouts in oh yeah you

◼   ► know doesn't show that one really

◼   ► started there were no third-party demos

◼   ► I and it was a fun you know I i guess

◼   ► the messages is that if anybody cares

◼   ► about em every god damn pixel it's

◼   ► photoshop users right we're like that

◼   ► sort of like who uses photoshop its

◼   ► people who sweat the pencils totally

◼   ► right and this device is all about

◼   ► pixels and so it it kind of makes sense

◼   ► I guess what I would love it

◼   ► I i hope that it whenever and i also

◼   ► think that has something to do with the

◼   ► target audience for the highest and

◼   ► 15-inch macbook pro which i think is

◼   ► very designer heavy

◼   ► mm I and photo photographer and

◼   ► videographer Harry Wright photographers

◼   ► and videographers who have a mac in the

◼   ► field with them right i think you know

◼   ► everyone I've ever seen almost always

◼   ► has a 15-inch yeah so the examples or

◼   ► what photoshop autocad right which is

◼   ► interesting and then you know video

◼   ► stuff right photography stuff yet make

◼   ► sense

◼   ► diablo diablo which was the top of

◼   ► everyone's behind with the hardware

◼   ► yeah but that's cool and all but it

◼   ► looks amazing ah i've just been informed

◼   ► that the bar is closed while we're

◼   ► talking is this is this a legal policy

◼   ► or if it's up to me if I if it's my I

◼   ► mean it's my show I should have a say so

◼   ► I say the bar should be opened

◼   ► if if it was out of courtesy to me and

◼   ► you know if it's like a legal thing no I

◼   ► don't wanna go to jail so then g-cloud

◼   ► haha but if it was like a courtesy to

◼   ► the speakers they just go have drinks

◼   ► crew it's having yeah i mean this isn't

◼   ► water haha i should have opened the

◼   ► sooner so did you did you did you watch

◼   ► the keynote yeah what do you think well

◼   ► they packed a lot of stuff anything I

◼   ► mean it was at it I think everybody did

◼   ► a good job

◼   ► it flowed well it covered a lot of

◼   ► ground it was long

◼   ► it was interesting i don't know it was a

◼   ► really light presentation yeah

◼   ► in hindsight everything seemed to go off

◼   ► super smoothly

◼   ► they didn't you know the classic sort of

◼   ► keynote bummers when they can get really

◼   ► bogged down in the demos like I know

◼   ► that that's the part we like this is

◼   ► totally awesome and here's 98 people to

◼   ► demo various applications and sometimes

◼   ► i can be great and you get sometimes you

◼   ► get good jokes from it and sometimes you

◼   ► know but they skip that entirely right

◼   ► so it was kind of nice it just kept

◼   ► flowing that's tight and solid and yeah

◼   ► I liked it and I think Tim Cook has very

◼   ► very quickly

◼   ► I mean him he's only publicly appeared

◼   ► as the CEO so we'd he did the the iphone

◼   ► 4s on campus like the day before Steve

◼   ► Jobs died it wasn't it was a CEO but

◼   ► steve was still around right eye and I

◼   ► think in hindsight everybody realized

◼   ► that there was a sort of melancholy

◼   ► nature to that event so i don't think

◼   ► that one really counts because and I

◼   ► think they played it perfectly but it

◼   ► doesn't really count and then I think he

◼   ► didn't do the book event New York City

◼   ► because you know i was sort of small

◼   ► potatoes and then he did the ipad thing

◼   ► which I that is great yeah and now at

◼   ► the WWDC I which is definitely special

◼   ► for Apple because WWDC keynote is the

◼   ► only public am an apple has left where

◼   ► somebody other than press gets to come

◼   ► nobody you don't get to line up for

◼   ► anything anymore there's no more

◼   ► macworld expo so is the one time where

◼   ► you know how many people here where

◼   ► we're at the keynote show of hands how

◼   ► many lot of wwc attendees write a lot of

◼   ► people

◼   ► a lot of Bob you know people love it but

◼   ► that's his one chance and that's the

◼   ► chance he has to speak for I thought he

◼   ► was incredibly comfortable

◼   ► yeah and like the thing about it is it

◼   ► just felt completely natural right like

◼   ► there was no slight tinge of anything

◼   ► weird it's just like it

◼   ► you know it's like oh this is it so

◼   ► clearly the right man for the job right

◼   ► i mean very much exactly what he's doing

◼   ► yeah that was awesome yeah and there's a

◼   ► real passion you could just see him like

◼   ► that and I really don't know maybe it

◼   ► would have been the exact same movie if

◼   ► steve jobs are still CEO but I i thought

◼   ► that the emotional nature of yeah yeah

◼   ► that movie at the outset which is really

◼   ► what all he really introduced at the

◼   ► beginning was then this thing about

◼   ► helping you know the amazing blind guy

◼   ► in Norway and is going on like 15 mile

◼   ► walks in the woods around but nothing

◼   ► but his iphone running on the girl with

◼   ► the speech and pattern and the autistic

◼   ► kids and I'm everybody I mean you're

◼   ► weren't choked up in that movie and

◼   ► you're not hooked up right yeah totally

◼   ► but I thought that was very Tim Cook I

◼   ► mean I think he really buys into that

◼   ► I'm here and he seems ok yeah for sure

◼   ► that's good how it should be ah so what

◼   ► did anything else on the macbook pro i

◼   ► can't i'm just going through the keynote

◼   ► yeah right yeah nothing really i mean no

◼   ► Elvis grumbles the future usb3 right

◼   ► that's about it

◼   ► yeah alright what do you think we're

◼   ► going to have a Retina imac that's a

◼   ► really good question i mean they they so

◼   ► there was this thing about the pros

◼   ► right this hoopla about the pros right

◼   ► bro will give you should John Syracuse's

◼   ► here are friends on Syracuse's here is

◼   ► very say you can see the look on his

◼   ► face haha that's here for Johnson get

◼   ► any on

◼   ► yeah I have never seen him so angry

◼   ► haha yeah i mean he's like a whole rage

◼   ► angry about his mac mac pro upgrade you

◼   ► know quotable quotes a huge upgrade

◼   ► Franklin John it's a whole new product

◼   ► development

◼   ► well I got a new badge on head for home

◼   ► and you know what

◼   ► yeah I guess we should we should talk so

◼   ► that's like what was not mentioned in

◼   ► the keynote they didn't mention the mac

◼   ► pro upgrade which was like yeah 10 of

◼   ► them bigger hurts really bad monkey like

◼   ► a couple extra preparation holes in the

◼   ► case may be and yeah that's about it

◼   ► right

◼   ► yeah no holes for newports though no

◼   ► darkness of the handles all of it but

◼   ► did you see that they're there was one

◼   ► of those uh angry Apple customers who

◼   ► writes to the CEO and it gets a message

◼   ► back and publishes tim cook you know

◼   ► back to somebody who it may have been

◼   ► John under a different name cable has ah

◼   ► yeah and he was a not to worry we're

◼   ► working on

◼   ► I don't have the quote but we're working

◼   ► on this something for later next year is

◼   ► so interesting for many reasons right

◼   ► like it just to hear Apple put a

◼   ► timeframe to anything for any reason was

◼   ► pretty surprising right like they would

◼   ► never rest funny this came directly

◼   ► after doubling down on secrecy right I

◼   ► get it and I was like that's an

◼   ► interesting direction

◼   ► yeah but I'm I don't know how to John

◼   ► how did you feel about that email from

◼   ► tim cook it may John have made John have

◼   ► yeah no matter yeah right but I don't

◼   ► think it necessarily means new mac pros

◼   ► like he didn't say we have new mac pro's

◼   ► coming through

◼   ► he said he just something that has

◼   ► always think it's like something that

◼   ► solves the problem of people who want

◼   ► new man froze so who knows what that

◼   ► could mean do you use both optical

◼   ► drives it

◼   ► yes to do of my whole life I wanted to

◼   ► meet somebody who's this girl particles

◼   ► that

◼   ► yeah so it all worked down this was

◼   ► worth it

◼   ► yeah that was unfair haha so next up on

◼   ► the on the hit parade in quino's

◼   ► mountain lion

◼   ► yeah which maybe if there's anything

◼   ► surprising with the Kenai also part of

◼   ► the type presentation is a craig

◼   ► federighi has suddenly gotten really

◼   ► really good incredibly good like he went

◼   ► from two years ago first time he was on

◼   ► stage was the back to the mac writing

◼   ► well held on Apple's campus where they

◼   ► first announced well I guess lion right

◼   ► and he infamously had like a real shaky

◼   ► hand on the mouse and he's really kind

◼   ► of like all-wise yeah I couldn't click

◼   ► on what you supposed to click to because

◼   ► he like shakes that's that would be me

◼   ► and now he's up there and he looks aces

◼   ► yeah you know yet if it wasn't an ad-lib

◼   ► it was brilliant when he did the game

◼   ► center thing is right is a game show my

◼   ► name was like that was it here for sore

◼   ► because great victory has a wonderful

◼   ► wonderful head full of hair here

◼   ► I mean it is like everybody last and he

◼   ► just goes yeah like I made that up

◼   ► alright was a good line I even got

◼   ► laughs and he was but he wasn't really

◼   ► good yeah that wasn't president that

◼   ► wasn't that was a solid team those that

◼   ► team of people is really good and I

◼   ► think you know we we we miss Bertram I

◼   ► mean everybody loved Bertram yeah I but

◼   ► it's hard to imagine Bertrand doing a

◼   ► half hour of the keynote like that i

◼   ► mean he would still like half an hour

◼   ► anyone still been talking about like

◼   ► feature one on the list I mean for John

◼   ► is great but he's very slow speaker

◼   ► right right yeah it was awesome dude

◼   ► that everybody did an incredible job

◼   ► right

◼   ► yeah and like i said in my little piece

◼   ► yesterday that they're sort of i think

◼   ► they're you know clearly becoming a

◼   ► walking and chewing gum at the same time

◼   ► company that they've got two major OS

◼   ► updates in one year whereas years ago

◼   ► they had to actually just issue a

◼   ► statement and said you know what we

◼   ► gotta we gotta delay the mac price the

◼   ► Mac os10 update by seven months because

◼   ► all the good and evil are working on the

◼   ► iphone the only thing that makes me

◼   ► Miley nervous about the velocity is that

◼   ► every now and then we get that feeling

◼   ► that it might just be going a little bit

◼   ► too fast and I know that but at that

◼   ► counter is what you're saying about that

◼   ► you know i mean it was unfortunate when

◼   ► they have

◼   ► delay and all this other stuff but

◼   ► sometimes it feels like the speed is

◼   ► just like there's no looking back

◼   ► and there's no you know EG know what I'm

◼   ► talking about like maybe it's more the

◼   ► developer side we encounter this more

◼   ► but I don't know it

◼   ► I as a user is great because they're

◼   ► adding an incredible amount of new

◼   ► features all the time and everybody wins

◼   ► use the platform but sometimes it's

◼   ► pretty rough of the developers sometimes

◼   ► things are not quite probably where they

◼   ► should like like in the middle years of

◼   ► mac OS 10 like the first couple years it

◼   ► was an annual schedule right and then it

◼   ► was like a unofficial like about seem

◼   ► like about two years and maybe they

◼   ► would shoot for 18 months but it would

◼   ► slip and in about two years was a much

◼   ► more comfortable pace your OS updates

◼   ► yeah hopefully they can get these yearly

◼   ► releases and they can be just rock solid

◼   ► and amazing

◼   ► no I also that's my paw it wasn't much

◼   ► new announced with mountain lion now

◼   ► know that we didn't know from when they

◼   ► took the curtains off it back in

◼   ► February dictation yeah dictation is no

◼   ► I and III did verify it is the same

◼   ► rules as a iOS where you have to have a

◼   ► net connection ocean it around trips the

◼   ► same engine same everything right

◼   ► exactly the same

◼   ► I'm yeah but little things but nothing

◼   ► that we didn't really know makes sense

◼   ► right

◼   ► yeah and then ios6 yeah so what you

◼   ► think of iOS 6 this I mean there's a lot

◼   ► of really cool stuff

◼   ► let's talk about well the two things

◼   ► that really excited me were actually the

◼   ► thing that excites me almost more than

◼   ► anything else is passbook for some

◼   ► reason I don't know why I think I've

◼   ► always had this dream of not having my

◼   ► wallet and this is just very slightly

◼   ► closer to that and and with when I saw

◼   ► that I immediately said to myself you

◼   ► know when that iphone5 comes out and

◼   ► it's got the NFC and it's like you know

◼   ► take replaces my debit card and replace

◼   ► my credit card it is my dream of course

◼   ► but like it seemed like this is the

◼   ► halfway point to that and so I'm really

◼   ► hoping that's the in-game because i

◼   ► don't want to have a wallet i just want

◼   ► to have my phone I want everything to be

◼   ► on there now getting that to work with

◼   ► every merchant in the universe and these

◼   ► terrible somebody I think it's steve has

◼   ► one of those

◼   ► wells fargo debit card that has like

◼   ► it's called payWave or something where

◼   ► you're like certain merchants have this

◼   ► little logo and you're supposed to just

◼   ► be able to slap your car there and so

◼   ► just for his own cell phone music he

◼   ► tries it every time it's never worked

◼   ► once and every time the people the

◼   ► counter like I don't know what that's

◼   ► for

◼   ► you know you're like oh yeah that's

◼   ► never worked or whatever so if their

◼   ► faith that's that's the one thing that

◼   ► makes me nervous about my dreams like

◼   ► it's one thing to make the technology

◼   ► and have a great UI and put it in the

◼   ► hardware but getting it in the chops

◼   ► I don't know that seems like an uphill

◼   ► battle yet calling a halfway step is it

◼   ► i think exactly right and i think a lot

◼   ► of the problems that Apple the biggest

◼   ► problems apple is facing are these

◼   ► things that require multiple very

◼   ► different things to be alignment so

◼   ► retina display max is a perfect example

◼   ► and where you've got to solve the

◼   ► technology problem making a display that

◼   ► big with all those pixels and have it be

◼   ► good so that's a just a pure hardware

◼   ► engineering things you've got to have

◼   ► the OS ready to support it and then

◼   ► you've got to have all the designers

◼   ► actually go and make all of that artwork

◼   ► every single piece of artwork in the

◼   ► entire OS again again yeah and it's not

◼   ► just like double the work is harder

◼   ► because it's going to be four times

◼   ► bigger so it's gotta look better

◼   ► did you find it doesn't take a lot

◼   ► longer to make retina caliber you I

◼   ► graphics um you know with our workflow

◼   ► you know and and how just using shape

◼   ► layers in photoshop and kind of being

◼   ► vector-based behind-the-scenes anyways

◼   ► it's not that much harder for us there

◼   ► was some parts of our process were

◼   ► harder like the web pages were a little

◼   ► bit harder because it's just a little

◼   ► not something we're using up the Dakota

◼   ► and co2 webpages are totally written

◼   ► right because we figured people will be

◼   ► looking at these on the ipad and they

◼   ► look awesome but that was just slightly

◼   ► weird because we weren't used to it but

◼   ► you know we did it

◼   ► everybody worked hard never worked hard

◼   ► and can you work hard and everybody

◼   ► worked hard it's just doable you just

◼   ► crank through it but what the heck are

◼   ► you talking about

◼   ► ok I was six yeah and the wallet yeah be

◼   ► a pass/pass book and a half way point I

◼   ► yes so I think the halfway point is to

◼   ► get the have the app maybe it's more

◼   ► than halfway but and your partner's yeah

◼   ► right but right now ever

◼   ► everything seems to be scanner base your

◼   ► QR codes are code and it's all you wave

◼   ► it you gotta go if you hit the baseball

◼   ► ticket you gotta press all getting

◼   ► scammed by like a red red infrared laser

◼   ► thing i also have a related story that

◼   ► makes me nervous about that future is

◼   ► because i want alaska airlines has an

◼   ► app that lets you get your boarding pass

◼   ► on your phone which sounded really cool

◼   ► to me because I hate printing boarding

◼   ► passes and i always forget I could do it

◼   ► in the car and so we're on the way to

◼   ► the airport and I got the boarding

◼   ► passes all ready to go and my wife and

◼   ► son and I wade through the security line

◼   ► we get to the front and i'm sure they

◼   ► got a phone and he just kind of uh yeah

◼   ► we don't have that scanner like we just

◼   ► don't have that and I'm cool but

◼   ► supposed to do know something like you

◼   ► need to go print a boarding pass and I

◼   ► think so we literally had to leave print

◼   ► boarding passes wait for the entire

◼   ► security line again and the down and

◼   ► this gets to my point about you know the

◼   ► implementation being the challenge

◼   ► because if you just having that one

◼   ► failure i knew i would never try it

◼   ► again right because if there's a

◼   ► one-percent chance that i'm going to get

◼   ► to the end of that long line and it's

◼   ► not gonna work i'm not gonna do I'm

◼   ► gonna use the thing I'm most familiar

◼   ► with so that part makes me nervous as

◼   ► well and I thought Scott Forstall was

◼   ► pretty it open and honest about one of

◼   ► the downsides of the whole way it is now

◼   ► with a bunch of separate apps which is

◼   ► that if it's not on your first or second

◼   ► iphone screen I mean write it right kind

◼   ► of lost and it's like it's the worst

◼   ► times you've got all these people behind

◼   ► you and everybody wants to get on a

◼   ► plane and you're the guy said are

◼   ► exactly opening up your folders and

◼   ► together

◼   ► uh-huh I what I did as a side note

◼   ► though send a sternly worded letter and

◼   ► got fifty dollar credit the left

◼   ► Caroline so it's totally worth it

◼   ► yeah i do it again fifty bucks a pop but

◼   ► i do that and we've never even used the

◼   ► thing yet but i do think that everybody

◼   ► is already thinking well this is gonna

◼   ► work even better once the NFC stuff is

◼   ► hooked up and you just wave the phone

◼   ► and because the other part of it with

◼   ► the NFC stop is it's not enough to just

◼   ► have it in the phone like I'm sure

◼   ► anybody from google can tell you that

◼   ► having a phone doesn't mean you get to

◼   ► use it right right i right

◼   ► how's that stuff gone for them have you

◼   ► ever tried it I well I wallet but now I

◼   ► realize that although I did see it pits

◼   ► today that peach takes the google wallet

◼   ► huh

◼   ► but I don't know how it works but with

◼   ► the other happens you've got to have

◼   ► partners retail partners who are going

◼   ► to do the handshake and have the

◼   ► hardware there so that the your phone

◼   ► that can do it right there's somebody

◼   ► there to listen right into it

◼   ► I the other thing that stuck out to me

◼   ► was I don't know why because it's just

◼   ► something I I've always been unsure

◼   ► whether Apple would do is add

◼   ► pull-to-refresh to mail yeah what did

◼   ► you think about that you have you use it

◼   ► you have a you have you put the bait on

◼   ► the animation looks crazy but I haven't

◼   ► seen it yet mom so I was playing with it

◼   ► over somebody had it on the phone and I

◼   ► got to play with it and there it is

◼   ► different than everybody else's because

◼   ► there's you have to pull further ok and

◼   ► once you pull that far the Refresh

◼   ► happens you know it doesn't and tobago

◼   ► it doesn't activate on letting go

◼   ► it activates on once you will do a

◼   ► certain distance which doesn't feel

◼   ► right now that doesn't seem like the

◼   ► action is that when we're talking about

◼   ► early like like the shotgun reloading

◼   ► you gotta have that double you know

◼   ► yeah it doesn't seem like triggering

◼   ► something at the end of the gesture

◼   ► really feels natural right yeah so we

◼   ► had a little tableside discussion at

◼   ► WWDC and and opinion seemed very split

◼   ► on why that is very one is that it's

◼   ► reading the letter of Twitter's

◼   ► pull-to-refresh patent owner

◼   ► so interesting and that they determined

◼   ► that if they do it not on letdown but on

◼   ► just pull that it's not in violation of

◼   ► the patent that seems silly to me but

◼   ► all software patent easily to me didn't

◼   ► they say they weren't going to do

◼   ► anything negative with those patents or

◼   ► whatever yeah but I don't think apples

◼   ► lawyers

◼   ► yeah you know they're not you know if

◼   ► you want to have illegal and probably

◼   ► Twitter guys are never gonna do anything

◼   ► and apples always be okay well fine know

◼   ► that if they wrote a blog post cool was

◼   ► only ur so is it patent sir convention

◼   ► which really stinks if it I I don't

◼   ► think so

◼   ► or is it a lack of humility on the part

◼   ► of disarmament Apple II hope who you

◼   ► said yeah we can't do exactly what

◼   ► Lauren Brickner invented Brett sweetie

◼   ► it's gotta be we got it we're gonna

◼   ► brush it lightly different right now

◼   ► it's good you got it's ours right

◼   ► I don't know now it don't have they

◼   ► shown that humility before I mean is

◼   ► there any track record to slight tweaks

◼   ► well I they've stolen something while

◼   ► ripped off was a better copied something

◼   ► like you know the coded tabs i think

◼   ► they took without changing

◼   ► oh the selection state right and there

◼   ► was a slight change

◼   ► I don't think its institutional I do

◼   ► think though that a personal level it

◼   ► could be that somebody on the male team

◼   ► yeah did not want think you're an exact

◼   ► duplication of it that's a pretty solid

◼   ► theory

◼   ► yeah yeah but even so even though it's

◼   ► not i don't think it's a ideal

◼   ► pull-to-refresh I'm so glad that it's

◼   ► there because i have pulled a refreshing

◼   ► mail on my iPhone so many times all i

◼   ► got one today

◼   ► yeah maybe they login event like

◼   ► diagnostic thing and you have somebody

◼   ► did that and they're like shit we got it

◼   ► I wonder maybe a hundred thousand today

◼   ► and one of them even ah the other

◼   ► feature the one other feature from iOS

◼   ► it well that we could talk about maps

◼   ► oh yeah i mean is that I i tried the 3d

◼   ► it was incredible

◼   ► like it looked amazing on the ipad

◼   ► Portland wasn't mapped for some reason

◼   ► so super bummed out because i couldn't

◼   ► 3d around Portland but they'll get there

◼   ► right now there's been some careful

◼   ► about the

◼   ► the bikes and the walking being gone

◼   ► right and transit and all that stuff and

◼   ► there's like a bee petition of course

◼   ► already like because those are always

◼   ► incredibly effective and it's you know

◼   ► apple bring back transit matlab think

◼   ► this is kind of trend that I've noticed

◼   ► lately where people just assume it's

◼   ► something is missing or broken but it's

◼   ► intentional malice every time like it's

◼   ► a really fascinating thing to witness I

◼   ► mean we see it too it's like sometimes

◼   ► things are just broken or missing you

◼   ► know it's not always like a conspiracy

◼   ► but what exactly does the petition want

◼   ► Apple to do go back to google and single

◼   ► now let us switch to google maps when

◼   ► you're not walking right direction the

◼   ► assumption is that they literally

◼   ► intentionally removed it because they

◼   ► didn't think people wanted it anymore

◼   ► which is totally false right i mean it's

◼   ► just a matter of their building their

◼   ► own mapping solution from scratch they

◼   ► haven't presumably gotten to it yet

◼   ► that's my assumption it is the maps are

◼   ► beautiful yeah they do look far better

◼   ► and the 3d stuff seems and I think it

◼   ► seems genuinely useful

◼   ► yeah but I don't have much to say about

◼   ► that i mean it's sort of like one of

◼   ► those things where it's been rumored for

◼   ► so long and it came out exactly as we

◼   ► thought it would be okay

◼   ► yeah the turn-by-turn directions is that

◼   ► something you use every when you driver

◼   ► now I I don't have never used

◼   ► turn-by-turn directions when i drive

◼   ► because i have an unerring sense of

◼   ► direction that I played a lot of Zelda

◼   ► as a kid so I can find my way around

◼   ► pretty well yea is my wife out there is

◼   ► my wife listening she's probably rolling

◼   ► I assume you're being sarcastic

◼   ► yeah I have a terrible sense of like I

◼   ► just the other day I we were we were

◼   ► driving to her family it's about 50

◼   ► miles outside the city and I pulled off

◼   ► her halfway to get gas and then we came

◼   ► back out of the gas station and I got on

◼   ► this google expressway heading east back

◼   ► to Philadelphia and I happen to be an

◼   ► exit that's like nine miles from the

◼   ► next exit

◼   ► yes I I probably do need so maybe you

◼   ► should use a script by turn directions

◼   ► okay I but it seems pretty good i've

◼   ► heard I don't know if anybody can drive

◼   ► heard a rumor that it's like license

◼   ► from tomtom yeah somebody that's in the

◼   ► like little settings general

◼   ► whatever sort of in the same way that

◼   ► the dictation is licensed around the

◼   ► Dragon Dictate people

◼   ► yep engine I think it's kind of like a

◼   ► sign of Apple like being willing to say

◼   ► well we just want the best thing we

◼   ► don't have to do it all ourselves and

◼   ► bring the pieces together right yeah but

◼   ► that's weird because in the past they

◼   ► were generally acquire those companies

◼   ► right requires companies it's weird to

◼   ► see them give more credit right and sort

◼   ► of have working relationship since yeah

◼   ► I'm really surprised that they haven't

◼   ► acquired dragon just because it seems

◼   ► like whatever dragons were thought to be

◼   ► able to just write it totally right it

◼   ► can't be that big huh

◼   ► and in the last I OS six feature that

◼   ► really caught my eye was the new stuff

◼   ► in Serie and bring it to the ipad you're

◼   ► a sports fan

◼   ► are you excited about the sports date I

◼   ► I really was i hope it works out how

◼   ► many field goals the myths may be united

◼   ► world bowl I because I hope really know

◼   ► much about sports

◼   ► yeah but that it looks cool yeah I am I

◼   ► think and I think that the the way that

◼   ► they're doing it to me is clearly a

◼   ► competitive against Google m and so how

◼   ► how would you go about replacing google

◼   ► i doing your own search engine

◼   ► well I don't think Apple it would ever

◼   ► ever just do a google search engine

◼   ► right and to be better than google

◼   ► you've got to be good at like a hundred

◼   ► thousand different things that people

◼   ► search for ya so they're not so if you

◼   ► just want to do a web search you still

◼   ► go to Google which is the best right

◼   ► what they're doing is biting off like

◼   ► this long tail

◼   ► we're like 999 thousands of those things

◼   ► they don't have to worry about and

◼   ► everybody just do weather sports and

◼   ► restaurants yeah you know it's like

◼   ► things people search for on their phone

◼   ► all the time and all of a sudden with

◼   ► like just five or six thing yep it's an

◼   ► awful lot of the reason that people use

◼   ► google under fire for sure right the

◼   ► movies the movies in the restaurants

◼   ► thing alone has got to be like and more

◼   ► partnerships that right because the

◼   ► restaurant stuff came from yelp i

◼   ► thinkyeah the restaurant stuff comes

◼   ► from yelp and the sports stuff comes

◼   ► from yahoo right and that it's just all

◼   ► I saw was a little why in the corner is

◼   ► amazing and I just realized that as i

◼   ► like a little like side

◼   ► dang it just shows how low Yahoo's

◼   ► fallen in the tech world where we're

◼   ► yahoo had some technology right in the

◼   ► Big Apple Keynote ready never even got a

◼   ► mentor and he meant it

◼   ► yeah all they got was a little tiny why

◼   ► an exclamation mark in a corner of a

◼   ► screenshot maybe if you tap it takes you

◼   ► to the yahoo i'm sure does but no you

◼   ► don't get your horoscope

◼   ► yeah and it does seem I always call it

◼   ► marketing spite and maybe that's unfair

◼   ► but this the way that Apple is doling

◼   ► out which features go to which devices

◼   ► yeah and it has gotten very complicated

◼   ► it was like one of the last things I

◼   ► link to before coming here to do the

◼   ► show was a checkmark matrix at mac OS

◼   ► right

◼   ► macrumors saying here's all these new

◼   ► features in iOS here's which devices get

◼   ► them and I didn't I haven't seen that

◼   ► yet but didn't make sense some you know

◼   ► it doesn't make sense so for example the

◼   ► 3gs games nothing except that it gets to

◼   ► run iOS 6 but it doesn't even get VIP

◼   ► email list what right so the feature is

◼   ► called VIP email you can pick some I

◼   ► cable sasser I say you're a VIP then I

◼   ► go with you should do this right Hans I

◼   ► think everybody should add cable to

◼   ► their vid2c really appreciate that i

◼   ► make me feel very special because you're

◼   ► much like me with email where if you get

◼   ► one ever responds it's actually very

◼   ► good

◼   ► yeah if you get a response right I'm but

◼   ► at it why Williams they'd bring that I

◼   ► don't know it certainly isn't because

◼   ► the thing is a glassed enough it could

◼   ► be like a hardware chip to keep that

◼   ► list and it's right so like a lack of

◼   ► flyover mode and maps make it right

◼   ► alright perfect understand what you need

◼   ► like a real fancy to a lot of Oregon's

◼   ► yeah

◼   ► VIP no boy it seems really spicy so we

◼   ► know that they've done this before I

◼   ► mean they've held back features to

◼   ► encourage adoption of new devices right

◼   ► so that's right nice is right it's yeah

◼   ► I call it marketing spite but maybe

◼   ► spite is too strong a word it's just

◼   ► you know how to make a hundred billion

◼   ► dollars okay all right

◼   ► hey right i think that's it for the Kino

◼   ► news i want to talk to you

◼   ► yeah about koda and diet koda and

◼   ► everything else shanik is doing but in

◼   ► the meantime I want to take a timeout

◼   ► here and I want to thank our friends at

◼   ► media temple mediatemple you guys are

◼   ► drinking on their dime

◼   ► [Applause]

◼   ► they've got some really cool

◼   ► announcements they're doing some great

◼   ► stuff with my friends and mule radio

◼   ► syndicate they have a contest of all

◼   ► sorts of stuff but i'll let i will let

◼   ► Russ reader explain it to you

◼   ► alright thanks John great job guys

◼   ► it's been great to sit back and listen

◼   ► also talked to a lot of media temple

◼   ► customers today so thank you very much

◼   ► meal radio thank you and who we have

◼   ► heard people to put up their hands for

◼   ► new iphone years ago and a new appletv

◼   ► who is going to get the retina and we're

◼   ► gonna get the macbook right now you know

◼   ► good Chuck hands out there

◼   ► yeah alright so mediatemple lost maybe

◼   ► yeah right who wants one

◼   ► how about not going to who would you

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◼   ► John doesn't do anything kind of halfway

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◼   ► us on twitter

◼   ► we're gonna give away a macbook pro

◼   ► retina tomorrow if you use Gruber as the

◼   ► code so definitely follow us and a lot

◼   ► of people last one we're talking to some

◼   ► customers out there they asked will hear

◼   ► us why are you why are you why are you

◼   ► are you going to sponsor something here

◼   ► at the WWDC well this is a great place

◼   ► for for media temple to get your at apps

◼   ► and websites hosted especially as you go

◼   ► more towards that the high bred or even

◼   ► a webapp kind of approach

◼   ► alright we got about 2 million websites

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◼   ► customers and we just really appreciate

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◼   ► that's where we started that's where we

◼   ► are we're a bunch of Engineers ourselves

◼   ► and just want to thank everyone out

◼   ► there so a John thank you very much

◼   ► and so just once again to get entered in

◼   ► a contest the code is groover gruv ER

◼   ► and I use that as a promo code on every

◼   ► website

◼   ► all right it doesn't work very often and

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◼   ► and what do you do so go to the media

◼   ► temple we're gonna have all the

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◼   ► put in grouper and they'll be a link

◼   ► there to actually to try to get a media

◼   ► temple I macbook pro retina without even

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◼   ► the code grouper tomorrow to buy your

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◼   ► nice try and those of you listening at

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◼   ► is good for you to this is not just for

◼   ► attendees of the event but shame on you

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◼   ► haha alright thanks guys thank you thank

◼   ► you very much thank you so much

◼   ► cool very cool twenty-five percent

◼   ► discount and a chance to win and was

◼   ► like an old-time radio commercial break

◼   ► yeah i really liked it

◼   ► I so what at the outset of the show you

◼   ► you mentioned that you made a deliberate

◼   ► effort years ago to go pro focus

◼   ► yeah and and I thought that was

◼   ► interesting you're saying that the it

◼   ► was a strategic idea that the way you

◼   ► avoid getting steamrolled by apple

◼   ► yes to stay out of the consumer space

◼   ► that's right and that was I mean it was

◼   ► it wasn't exactly is just a very organic

◼   ► decision because we knew that you know

◼   ► Apple was was exploding their software

◼   ► efforts and you know they made some

◼   ► software before but things like I life

◼   ► and all of these apps were coming out of

◼   ► nowhere at a rapid pace so yeah we it

◼   ► was kind of like a conscious

◼   ► the decision was we we have to try to do

◼   ► things that are apps that are bigger

◼   ► apps that are a more complex and apps

◼   ► that are more Pro users so and that's

◼   ► sort of you know transmit we push more

◼   ► in that direction and dakota was really

◼   ► the first of and you know that was that

◼   ► was sort of the culmination of that plan

◼   ► was this is a big honkin app it you know

◼   ► and I thought of you and we covered this

◼   ► five years ago but the original name of

◼   ► transmitted was Tranzit transit which

◼   ► makes so much more sense with the truck

◼   ► right

◼   ► still I'm still kind of mad about that

◼   ► and it was like a legal dispute over

◼   ► somebody else who claim your own the

◼   ► trademark so you added the end which is

◼   ► pretty pretty subtle just added them

◼   ► right but then I thought of you and the

◼   ► keynote yesterday because apple had a

◼   ► slide up when they were talking about

◼   ► their new maps and the fact that you

◼   ► don't get turn-by-turn directions or

◼   ► they said Tranzit apps great and I

◼   ► thought you were part of my brain is

◼   ► what right I'll God not that one to keep

◼   ► it up

◼   ► what next i wiII every year we joke that

◼   ► the big new feature mac OS is a built-in

◼   ► HTML development or whatever you know I

◼   ► mean I realize the odds are pretty slim

◼   ► at this point but yeah ever since the

◼   ► infamous uh itunes keno and we knew that

◼   ► was coming right so while i was

◼   ► surprised that it was still just like

◼   ► such a classic apple like I could I can

◼   ► still hear it in my mind like I remember

◼   ► the infamous like and we have this great

◼   ► idea where what if you could visualize

◼   ► music no one's ever done this before

◼   ► looking for like mom it's just the

◼   ► visualizer yeah so anyways um yeah

◼   ► transit production it is true that like

◼   ► I look at the panic suite of software

◼   ► the way you guys offer and it's like I

◼   ► think of when I think of a panic i

◼   ► really i think of the interfaces first

◼   ► and I don't think that's a surprise i

◼   ► think I mean everybody agree that I mean

◼   ► that's what the whole point that the

◼   ► whole point is what if we didn't and put

◼   ► insane attention on sure interface like

◼   ► just over-the-top and even more than

◼   ► apple shirt like this incredible

◼   ► attention to these utterly minor details

◼   ► and in a very friendly way I think

◼   ► your software is is almost a reflection

◼   ► of your personality it's like a friendly

◼   ► it's nice it laughs out of it before but

◼   ► it is like seriously nerdy stuff right

◼   ► like is that you know you don't think

◼   ► about that it's just very very consumer

◼   ► e him look and style over so I'm it's

◼   ► increasingly right specific yeah and

◼   ► it's interesting and I like I said

◼   ► earlier I kind of Miss the consumer

◼   ► level stuff i kinda I mean it'd be nice

◼   ► to make something that my parents can

◼   ► use on their iphones or you know that my

◼   ► wife would use on her is not they're not

◼   ► developing websites on their iPad or

◼   ► whatever you know so I it's it's it's

◼   ► super rewarding because it's nice to its

◼   ► it's a really fun process to have this

◼   ► really complicated thing you want to

◼   ► make but then try to wrap it around this

◼   ► friendly

◼   ► I mean it's like one of the hardest

◼   ► things it's very difficult and it takes

◼   ► a lot of work and it's not easy but when

◼   ► you're done

◼   ► I mean you know it feels great so I like

◼   ► that process but yeah it'd be nice to

◼   ► balance it out a little bit more be nice

◼   ► to go back and and with diet Kota you

◼   ► you really die code is our iPad yeah

◼   ► well established this okay all right my

◼   ► theory is that oh maybe you guys were on

◼   ► the fence about whether you should do

◼   ► kota for the ipad but then somebody came

◼   ► up with the name

◼   ► ahahahha and you knew you had to do it

◼   ► I'm feel the funny thing is we can't

◼   ► even remember who coined that in the

◼   ► office but the the wii it's funny the

◼   ► thing about diet cola was people kept

◼   ► asking us for and if you people ask us

◼   ► for apps all the time right you should

◼   ► make an email client you should make it

◼   ► whatever but when it came to I want to

◼   ► do hmm on my iPad everybody said the

◼   ► exact same thing I want to make quick

◼   ► fixes to websites on my iPad verbatim

◼   ► that is the quote that everybody

◼   ► independently use and that is why the

◼   ► website says make quick fixes to her

◼   ► website on your iPad it's like people

◼   ► came up with this marketing slogan for

◼   ► us and it was that definitely cemented

◼   ► it right it's like people will

◼   ► apparently want to do this

◼   ► yeah well and that's interest and I

◼   ► think it goes back to the

◼   ► original iPad introduction event where

◼   ► steve jobs even said you know here's

◼   ► your macbook here's your phone is there

◼   ► room in the middle

◼   ► yes we think so but we're not even sure

◼   ► what that is yeah I kept up on my

◼   ► desktop for the past two and a half

◼   ► years I kept a bookmark to an article

◼   ► that was a room overview of the original

◼   ► iPad and the guy was really down on it

◼   ► and I specifically remember him saying

◼   ► is anybody ever gonna make a webpage on

◼   ► ipad like that

◼   ► hey so I kept it on my desktop just like

◼   ► my own little motivator don't even know

◼   ► who this guy hits but maybe I should

◼   ► send him an email down just be like

◼   ► right after you

◼   ► no no we we did it no give me the URL

◼   ► and I'll clam chowder

◼   ► huh now we're talking sponsored claim

◼   ► shattered right here that how much for a

◼   ► claim chowder

◼   ► yeah I don't know you're very good at it

◼   ► but I did notice something here

◼   ► something i knows what i was looking at

◼   ► your website and in the title tag maybe

◼   ► you can fix it with code is on right now

◼   ► in the title tag yeah at panic com it

◼   ► says panic haha shockingly good mac

◼   ► software

◼   ► yeah that that I think it's a bug right

◼   ► weekend but it does but your price still

◼   ► primarily yeah overall for sure a mac

◼   ► software come right it's true i have

◼   ► very little is a guy I immediately want

◼   ► to leave stage and fix that right so i

◼   ► kinda wish you hadn't brought it up

◼   ► right now would you change it to him

◼   ► never can you fix them are you out there

◼   ► yeah which it i mean mean that's a

◼   ► really good question i mean the the

◼   ► probably just mac and iOS offer but is

◼   ► there something better

◼   ► probably just software maybe just

◼   ► software shandra software yeah dammit i

◼   ► really want to fix that now I and i

◼   ► think i think that there's a while

◼   ► hey we're walking and chewing gum angle

◼   ► with you guys now to you guys have

◼   ► gotten bigger

◼   ► sure I mean you guys have a bunch of

◼   ► designers or at least you would have a

◼   ► couple yeah I'm chiaro yeah

◼   ► yeah so you used to design everything

◼   ► and now you've got other people you've

◼   ► got T my god yes well and and and so

◼   ► this process has been strangely

◼   ► stressful for me like that i don't i'm

◼   ► not a dude that gets super stressed out

◼   ► easily but like with trying to work on

◼   ► Kota to and I could at the same time

◼   ► shooting for a simultaneous ship date it

◼   ► was really challenging and I mean

◼   ► developing them testing them and what

◼   ► really threw me for a loop was just the

◼   ► uncertainty of Apple I mean the first

◼   ► time we've really been beholden to the

◼   ► review process in a significant way

◼   ► times to you know and and I don't know

◼   ► if you saw in our blog we timed out this

◼   ► hawaii trip right so that we could you

◼   ► know I I promise everybody that we go to

◼   ► Hawaii when we finish these apps and

◼   ► somehow i was a man of my word and we

◼   ► went to Hawaii while the app store in

◼   ► review but I did not

◼   ► relax also contribute in any way shape

◼   ► or form because stuff just kept coming

◼   ► out like I i mentioned this but like I

◼   ► don't know i'm sitting on the beach i

◼   ► get my we've been rejected again email

◼   ► because we showed that on the first

◼   ► launch screen we ask you if you want to

◼   ► turn on iCloud or not and we show the

◼   ► iCloud logo and what that's a trademarks

◼   ► apple logo and so I actually fix that

◼   ► one myself with by opening up the nib

◼   ► and like just deleting the initiatives

◼   ► and I checked in and the build server

◼   ► built a new one and I actually literally

◼   ► submitted it from the airport boarding

◼   ► the flight and it was like a scene from

◼   ► the world's shittiest action movie

◼   ► because I'm like I have like four

◼   ► minutes to go and it's like uploading

◼   ► API usage and I gotta come on you know

◼   ► and I like you know last call for

◼   ► whatever it was so bad but um yea it

◼   ► that really threw us for a loop if there

◼   ► are there a lot of first with this

◼   ► process for us and so that was a

◼   ► definite challenge but you know i'm

◼   ► super excited about it and everybody is

◼   ► so smart and work so hard and cares so

◼   ► much about the finished product and i'm

◼   ► super lucky for that was it the plan all

◼   ► along to have coded to and diet kota

◼   ► come out at the same time always always

◼   ► always when when did kota one ship like

◼   ► it was kinda was like 2007

◼   ► seriously 2007 and the hard thing about

◼   ► it was actually let me tell you a story

◼   ► of another source of stress but i'll set

◼   ► the scene for you

◼   ► Portland has a lot of food carts all

◼   ► around the town down the street from my

◼   ► dad's house is a food cart that serves I

◼   ► think it's a filipino food this is

◼   ► seriously going somewhere relevant um my

◼   ► dad you know walking around the

◼   ► neighborhood and talk to all the people

◼   ► in the neighborhood and you went to the

◼   ► food cart and the guy was like a Steve

◼   ► what's up and you know they were talking

◼   ► about the neighborhood and the guys like

◼   ► oh hey uh my friend a question for you

◼   ► my dad's like what is it is like John

◼   ► wins co2 coming out i wanted to have

◼   ► this like are you kidding me

◼   ► like what I that happened a lot and I'm

◼   ► glad to have that problem i'm really

◼   ► glad people are excited about our

◼   ► products but it was clear to me that we

◼   ► took too long and I think what people

◼   ► don't understand is that we were working

◼   ► on one thing and then working on another

◼   ► thing and they expect from a major

◼   ► company not a major company from any

◼   ► company you know simultaneous

◼   ► development and so people working on

◼   ► transmit people working at codon that

◼   ► wasn't the case for us like we finished

◼   ► koda and we did a bunch of updates and

◼   ► we got to 1.7 and we felt good about it

◼   ► and then ok now let's work on transmit

◼   ► for and that took about a year and a

◼   ► half and in people for us it was a

◼   ► couple years of development for

◼   ► everybody who use the app it was four

◼   ► years you know right so it it was

◼   ► intense and people were here

◼   ► look up sheet but they're not all went

◼   ► away once we ship so that's good

◼   ► well and that the thing that I think is

◼   ► very interesting about and you guys are

◼   ► sort of Trailblazers here it is i got

◼   ► known territory is me and you don't

◼   ► really have to take a look at your books

◼   ► to know that if your version was in 2007

◼   ► and version 2 isn't 2012 right that

◼   ► upgrade revenue is an important part of

◼   ► the business of xi'an developer that you

◼   ► you know people who bought the app in

◼   ► 2007 and you put all this effort into it

◼   ► you need upgrade revenue froze happy

◼   ► existing users and that's how companies

◼   ► like Panik who was you know what 15

◼   ► years in business now something close to

◼   ► that was you know a way that you

◼   ► sustained as you get happy users and

◼   ► especially with the protools type there

◼   ► and you sell upgrades and now you're

◼   ► doing it in an app store right doesn't

◼   ► support paid upgrades right that was a

◼   ► challenge so you what was the solution

◼   ► that you guys came up with and so we you

◼   ► know we did a three-pronged thing so the

◼   ► first day we just decided to be fifty

◼   ► percent off for everybody right and that

◼   ► was huge for us

◼   ► I'm in in two ways I mean we sold a lot

◼   ► the dark side I I joke that was six

◼   ► months of sales compressed into a single

◼   ► day it was also six months of

◼   ► tech-support compressed it to thank all

◼   ► day and so those guys in not having a

◼   ► great time right now but I'm then we

◼   ► sort of decided we'll just the only

◼   ► thing we can do is lower the price of

◼   ► the app for everyone for a period of

◼   ► time so our solution to that was upgrade

◼   ► pricing for everyone for an

◼   ► indeterminate period of time I I

◼   ► honestly don't know how long that's

◼   ► gonna last people vast I have no idea

◼   ► like a month two months I don't know but

◼   ► it's the only thing that I could think

◼   ► of

◼   ► right like what else are we gonna do I

◼   ► there's the upgrades don't exist anymore

◼   ► does apple apple doesn't get upgrade

◼   ► revenue from anything anymore right

◼   ► it's full price every time well I Apple

◼   ► gets their upgrade revenue when you buy

◼   ► and

◼   ► and

◼   ► to mac right new iphone i mean that's

◼   ► and you know they cheat i mean is you

◼   ► know it's a good business model for them

◼   ► right but everything hinges on the fact

◼   ► that all of their software they don't

◼   ► need to charge updates for because

◼   ► you're running in on a

◼   ► two-thousand-dollar or a thousand-dollar

◼   ► eight-hundred-dollar phone that you've

◼   ► already paid for and we've always just

◼   ► assumed that the only reason they don't

◼   ► offer upgrades is because they don't

◼   ► need them right so why would they

◼   ► but yeah it's a strange new world now no

◼   ► doubt about it but the downside of it is

◼   ► that so effectively though kota to is a

◼   ► new product or any app store

◼   ► yes moto one is no longer in the

◼   ► appstore correct right because there's

◼   ► no other way to do it they can people

◼   ► can still read download it you know we

◼   ► didn't like delete the app but it's not

◼   ► available for sale where I was

◼   ► nerve-racking simple oh wait so you can

◼   ► do that you know you could do that so

◼   ► when am i right

◼   ► can anyone i hope i'm right like what do

◼   ► I look to market immediately yeah I

◼   ► think I i removed it from all the

◼   ► territories so as far as i know the app

◼   ► is somewhere but you can't buy it and

◼   ► yeah could you guys fix a bug

◼   ► we have to load actually don't know what

◼   ► would you get an update i'll try it

◼   ► okay I want everyone to Helen all things

◼   ► because i won't otherwise that's like up

◼   ► real high pressure release this is like

◼   ► this is the relieving kodaline yeah and

◼   ► you want to do the right thing for the

◼   ► customers which is give them a stable

◼   ► release that they can use forever right

◼   ► on the other hand they're kind of it's

◼   ► kind of hard for you guys to get excited

◼   ► about the people who aren't buying the

◼   ► upgraded

◼   ► alright we're not gonna do I mean the

◼   ► only thing I could possibly see us do is

◼   ► if there's some kind of major security

◼   ► problem and Kota won or something then

◼   ► maybe we consider it but certainly no

◼   ► features certainly no development

◼   ► yeah so my favorite feature in in diet

◼   ► code how many people here have tried

◼   ► diet anyone traveling oh nice that's

◼   ► always great at taking tests that's

◼   ► super cool

◼   ► my favorite feature far and away is the

◼   ► loop yeah I don't know if you call it a

◼   ► loop the super loop the super Lou a

◼   ► great name

◼   ► yeah it is so good and it is so much

◼   ► better than the built-in iOS text set

◼   ► its selection loop so just to set the

◼   ► stage what I mean is you know everybody

◼   ► should know when you're in iOS and you

◼   ► want to place the insertion point in a

◼   ► text field you press and hold your

◼   ► finger and a little loop appears

◼   ► magnifying above it and then you can see

◼   ► and precisely place it and you know it's

◼   ► you know it's like the size of like an

◼   ► okay yeah thing with your finger here

◼   ► yeah very hard right yeah in kota or Die

◼   ► akota it is the full width of the text

◼   ► editing curled yep and it snaps two

◼   ► lines it is not just like freeform it it

◼   ► is a completely understands the idea

◼   ► that text is composed of lines and

◼   ► you're looking at one line at a time

◼   ► when you see the full with loomed up and

◼   ► there's the the panache of the the next

◼   ► and previous lines being distorted

◼   ► operating right that's my favorite

◼   ► feature to always the thing this is kind

◼   ► of a classic panic thing because we knew

◼   ► we wanted to fix the problem of the

◼   ► insertion point and so we're talking

◼   ► about full length and then I i did this

◼   ► like super-quick photoshop mock-up of

◼   ► what the lens looks like and then sort

◼   ► of handed over to Dave to implement and

◼   ► then without saying a word he did all

◼   ► the opengl stuff just like I never said

◼   ► it needs to make me I never expected

◼   ► that but um he just it just was assumed

◼   ► that of course you're going to magnify

◼   ► the lines and like warp and distort them

◼   ► and so that was just as kind of an

◼   ► awesome moment treasure it after using

◼   ► it it really I'd never really given

◼   ► thought to it before but all of us on

◼   ► much like the best

◼   ► don't like once you've used the retina

◼   ► display and then you go back to the old

◼   ► ones like all that's terrible once i use

◼   ► the diet kodalu awesome using the

◼   ► regular loop and any other app on the

◼   ► iPad feels awful Astros constrain its

◼   ► ruined i'm glad to hear that i love the

◼   ► number of emails we get though about I

◼   ► sure hope Apple steals that what

◼   ► happened do you really about that seems

◼   ► kind of mean that i understand i totally

◼   ► understand but I really like you to come

◼   ► i really do hope Apple steals yeah like

◼   ► in mail

◼   ► yeah I like pull-to-refresh hmm i feel

◼   ► like that you think they're going to

◼   ► tweak it a little bit of it

◼   ► I don't know yeah there's my question

◼   ► and it's inverse distortions be right

◼   ► and maybe instead of going to full with

◼   ► your writing better run click around

◼   ► record Horner right i think they will

◼   ► say that the square corners are gone

◼   ► what will check in the next podcast in

◼   ► five years you couldn't speak what

◼   ► happened what else whatever I mean any

◼   ► other stories about developing an ipad

◼   ► version of a mac app like I mean it was

◼   ► it's it's a ton

◼   ► it's just a lot of work to to think

◼   ► about like I mean there's not even

◼   ► really a text you ate like we have to

◼   ► start starting from square one but we

◼   ► knew we wanted to write a terminal so we

◼   ► kind of made prompt and that was sort of

◼   ► a part of everything you know but I'm it

◼   ► was a total rethink it was like we knew

◼   ► what we're going to do the same feature

◼   ► set we knew this was like again quick

◼   ► fixes on the go

◼   ► what do we need to pare it down to and

◼   ► uh how do we make it awesome i don't

◼   ► know if you saw the most experimental

◼   ► thing and I'm still not sure if it was a

◼   ► great idea but it's been really fun

◼   ► seeing people's reactions to it is the

◼   ► method in which you pair your ipad with

◼   ► your mac we have this thing called air

◼   ► preview that lets you use your iPad as a

◼   ► preview window and I haven't talked

◼   ► about this before we got i became my my

◼   ► weird obsession was pairing and how I'm

◼   ► just tired of the pin numbers and can we

◼   ► do anything cooler than pin numbers and

◼   ► we tried everything imagine

◼   ► although we started with knock three

◼   ► times on the ipad we thought with the

◼   ► accelerometer or the microphone like you

◼   ► know somehow you knock three times we

◼   ► got so close on that but it was like it

◼   ► would trigger a gesture and all sorts of

◼   ► trouble would happen and that was

◼   ► disappointing and we tried this and that

◼   ► and what we actually ended up doing was

◼   ► using the camera and so you open air

◼   ► preview on the mac and this psychedelic

◼   ► window appears that cycles through

◼   ► colors and that is synced over Bonjour

◼   ► with the ipad and you just hold your

◼   ► iPad up to the screen and it just pairs

◼   ► right because it's looking for red

◼   ► yellow green blue whatever i'm not sure

◼   ► it's a great idea but it was super fun

◼   ► and some people that there's not really

◼   ► any feedback which i think is a problem

◼   ► like you don't really know if it's

◼   ► working or not as we've had people like

◼   ► using the wrong camera and like I've

◼   ► been sitting here for 15 minutes then

◼   ► what's happening and but then those

◼   ► emails like what the hell man i am

◼   ► freaking out right now like a literally

◼   ► people losing their minds about this

◼   ► like what kind of sorcery like how did

◼   ► this like that having no idea how it

◼   ► works and and that was my dream like

◼   ► that was my goal like I did it kinda

◼   ► wanted to freak people out about so in

◼   ► some ways mission accomplished

◼   ► I don't know how long it's going to stay

◼   ► that way halfway through we're like

◼   ► outweigh the ipad one doesn't have a

◼   ► camera haha so we implemented the pin

◼   ► numbers looks like God full circle twice

◼   ► the work

◼   ► yeah anyways I really appreciate

◼   ► everybody tryin yeah sometimes you gotta

◼   ► try

◼   ► yeah so the the other app store related

◼   ► bugaboo that that you guys have

◼   ► navigated I think very smartly but it's

◼   ► still up making the best out of a tough

◼   ► scenario is the fact that I cloud is

◼   ► only available to apple apps and you

◼   ► guys are still wisely you know with your

◼   ► mac software selling it on your own

◼   ► related to customers from your website

◼   ► and having the same version in the app

◼   ► store for people who prefer the app

◼   ► store right which is very very common

◼   ► for mac developers but that means you've

◼   ► got a really cool feature like you know

◼   ► got this

◼   ► I cloud syncing so once you setup your

◼   ► site yeah if you're signed in to iCloud

◼   ► you not just on another mac now you can

◼   ► go to an ipad eventually yeah it's not

◼   ► quite there yet but and actually bailed

◼   ► out at the last second we had iCloud

◼   ► totally working in diet kota but it was

◼   ► not I cloud has been a challenge for us

◼   ► but um the that's been tough on some

◼   ► customers and some customers don't

◼   ► realize that when they want to switch

◼   ► versions or they wanna uh and also now

◼   ► we've had the inverse because I cloud

◼   ► has been a little unreliable on the mac

◼   ► some people kind of bummed out that

◼   ► their sights on how to the cloud and

◼   ► that the app is a little weird sometimes

◼   ► and you know it's been it's been a real

◼   ► challenge I think we were we should have

◼   ► probably waited Intel mountain lion to

◼   ► support iCloud I think they're still

◼   ► working out some kinks and uh as if

◼   ► anybody's considering supporting iCloud

◼   ► maybe wait until all mountain lion

◼   ► that's my advice but yeah that's that

◼   ► all we could do was say get it from the

◼   ► mac app store and you get iCloud or get

◼   ► it from us and you don't do you have a

◼   ► strong preference like if somebody came

◼   ► up to you and said I'm going to buy coda

◼   ► right now and tell me which way to buy I

◼   ► want to do it the way that makes you

◼   ► happier i literally have a fully neutral

◼   ► answer because I don't know that I want

◼   ► to load that up and I because I

◼   ► basically say it's totally up to you if

◼   ► you buy it in the mac app store I my

◼   ► software on the mac app store

◼   ► I like having all my apps in one place i

◼   ► like the updating it's very convenient

◼   ► if you buy from us we get more money and

◼   ► you'll get updates faster which is a

◼   ► huge issue for some people like right

◼   ► now go to a one exists for direct users

◼   ► Apple hasn't even started reviewing it

◼   ► yet and this is really making people

◼   ► angry so now we have people that want to

◼   ► switch versions in the other direction

◼   ► it's it's kind of a disaster but I'm i

◼   ► have a fully neutral answer its total I

◼   ► say it's up to you and people like

◼   ► thanks for nothing lykia yeah it is that

◼   ► it is your honest opinion I it is my

◼   ► honest if I mean that you wouldn't be

◼   ► selling the stuff in the mac app store

◼   ► if you didn't want

◼   ► because i do I like the mac app store

◼   ► right but at the same time it's not

◼   ► perfect so I feel like providing both is

◼   ► the only fair way to approach it but I'm

◼   ► totally neutral

◼   ► what are you your mac app store man i

◼   ► I'm all over the place yeah because I do

◼   ► it because I feel like I i love the

◼   ► convenience in the single source for

◼   ► updates

◼   ► yeah and i love the especially now that

◼   ► I get stuff like a renewed computer and

◼   ► yeah like I get over his uniform apple i

◼   ► can go to the App Store and just go I

◼   ► need that I need that I need that hemp i

◼   ► but but then I get frustrated when I

◼   ► know like I know the development and I

◼   ► know they've already fixed the bug you

◼   ► but I don't have it because i don't have

◼   ► the mac app store version and have to

◼   ► wait

◼   ► it's also really surprising how few

◼   ► users understand that process and how

◼   ► few users understand that we have no

◼   ► control over the app review process like

◼   ► write everyday on twitter it's like what

◼   ► windows apple releasing to a one I have

◼   ► literally no idea right thank the

◼   ► reviewers are working in the moscone

◼   ► right now you know it'll never be a

◼   ► matter of so I don't know

◼   ► yeah are there any app store reviewers

◼   ► here in the audience haha that would be

◼   ► the stupidest hand-raised yeah in the

◼   ► history of Henry's an incredibly bad

◼   ► idea i actually asked our Apple contact

◼   ► after we shipped I'm like it is there

◼   ► any way i can send flowers to the

◼   ► reviewer because they worked so hard her

◼   ► like it is anybody was really nervous

◼   ► right haha they wouldn't tell me they

◼   ► were just like will pass along the

◼   ► sentiment it's not like here here's a

◼   ► feature that's the flip side so you know

◼   ► Gotye cloud syncing which is only in

◼   ► your App Store but now Mac abs in the

◼   ► appstore have to be sandbach Oh sandbox

◼   ► her and we could do a whole show about

◼   ► salmon one particular feature that

◼   ► matters for text editors is

◼   ► authenticated saves your if you want to

◼   ► save the aisle on your computer

◼   ► yep on your computer now

◼   ► remote on your computer but it requires

◼   ► an administrator password yeah

◼   ► in the old days you would just do a

◼   ► thing and in our box have come up and

◼   ► you would type your admin password and

◼   ► it would be saved and now you can't do

◼   ► it

◼   ► yep so you've got a feature that the app

◼   ► support and it's like you kind of feel

◼   ► like you've gotta warn people before

◼   ► they buy the app store and we're going

◼   ► to get more and more complicated the

◼   ► warnings right i mean there's gonna be

◼   ► this is only the tip of the iceberg so

◼   ► yeah and so like the bottom line is that

◼   ► there really is no ideal verdict of the

◼   ► app because if you buy the one from

◼   ► panic com you can do authenticated saves

◼   ► and maybe two other stuff that the

◼   ► sandboxing you don't you don't have my

◼   ► cloud and you know right yeah that it's

◼   ► an interesting time it's a very

◼   ► interesting interesting time

◼   ► yeah well that's about it for me awesome

◼   ► i am so glad you're here

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