The Talk Show

◼   ► beautiful blues with java i'm going to

◼   ► wish you a Happy android first day

◼   ► yes very happy android first day i'm

◼   ► glad glad the timing of this this

◼   ► episode surround the betta almost

◼   ► perfectly it was a movement six months

◼   ► ago six months ago Eric Schmidt very

◼   ► smartly made a couple of predictions

◼   ► yeah LOL so there were actually i think

◼   ► there were three right he made he

◼   ► obviously made the one saying that by

◼   ► this state you know he thought that uh

◼   ► android-developers a would kind of be

◼   ► sorry developers in general be focusing

◼   ► on Android first instead of iOS he he

◼   ► made the prediction that Google

◼   ► television or there would be the vast

◼   ► majority of TV's on the market would be

◼   ► running some form of google TV and what

◼   ► was the third thing all the there would

◼   ► be some sort of killer tablet this was

◼   ► sort of a weird one because like I think

◼   ► was translated from some some foreign

◼   ► press thing but uh something about a

◼   ► killer tablet coming out around this

◼   ► time that might be the one that he's

◼   ► only somewhat often i think i think they

◼   ► will have something along those lines

◼   ► that their upcoming io conference but

◼   ► still still not quite six months a

◼   ► little bit more than sex once I am I

◼   ► think that the the TV one in particular

◼   ► was that not that there would be half

◼   ► the tvs and use would have google TV but

◼   ► half the tvs and stores in the US with

◼   ► right have something I haven't been the

◼   ► best buy this week i have not been the

◼   ► best buy but i'm guessing if i did and i

◼   ► kept a tally and I'm guessing it's a

◼   ► little under fifty percent yeah they may

◼   ► have gotten a big shipment in yesterday

◼   ► I was worried about two weeks ago I i

◼   ► don't recall seeing any butter

◼   ► I'm sure I'm sure he had some reason to

◼   ► suggest that that this was actually

◼   ► going to happen and i'm sure we'll hear

◼   ► more about it at Google i/o again

◼   ► the kids have been complaining about

◼   ► this show the talk shows usually that it

◼   ► is rambling and unfocused those are the

◼   ► adjectives that come up a lot from

◼   ► people who don't seem to like it i have

◼   ► i have a bad feeling that this

◼   ► particular episode maybe the word smug

◼   ► is gonna come quick

◼   ► yeah that's a tough as they come up

◼   ► sometimes I my special guest this week

◼   ► i'm speaking to mg Siegler of Paris

◼   ► lemon fame and techcrunch in and various

◼   ► other endeavors and and I think you and

◼   ► I have a sort of shared reputation for

◼   ► 4i i'm not sure how to describe it being

◼   ► poor poor sports right being you know

◼   ► not acknowledging androids winning ways

◼   ► many capacity I guess right all right

◼   ► and you know and I i think that you and

◼   ► I again this is so far this one of the

◼   ► talk show it's a lot of people who who

◼   ► I'm on the same page with but I think

◼   ► you you approach this the same way I do

◼   ► and you've done a lot of work with mike

◼   ► arrington who I have a funny

◼   ► relationship with but i do think though

◼   ► that one thing that the three of us

◼   ► agree on you mean you mike arrington is

◼   ► that you'd if you're writing about this

◼   ► stuff just call a spade a spade

◼   ► alright just lay it out there and I'm

◼   ► not gonna die i say to people I'm not

◼   ► going to sit here and bend over

◼   ► backwards to make somebody who's in

◼   ► second place seem like they're closer to

◼   ► first base first place than they really

◼   ► are just just because somebody thinks

◼   ► that's the way it should be

◼   ► yeah totally yeah i totally agree with

◼   ► that obviously and i think you know when

◼   ► we do get lumped into this this group

◼   ► that's some people feel is being unfair

◼   ► to guess the android camp it's you know

◼   ► it is just because that's the way we see

◼   ► it and I think for good reason and i

◼   ► think you know over time a lot of people

◼   ► have a have come over to this site as

◼   ► well but it's just got to be very

◼   ► frustrating for the

◼   ► those who see it a different way I guess

◼   ► and yeah i mean along those lines I

◼   ► remember what was the thing a few i

◼   ► guess it was a couple weeks ago where I

◼   ► think it was david poe grow some kind of

◼   ► review about some gadget I forget what

◼   ► it was i he might have been an android

◼   ► gadget maybe a windows phone thing I

◼   ► don't really remember what it was but

◼   ► someone I think it was a BuzzFeed i

◼   ► think it was Matt you can adjust yeah

◼   ► I'm apart 44 kinda you know make going

◼   ► out of his way to make it sound like you

◼   ► know this is a decent thing that that

◼   ► someone would like it's not clear that

◼   ► someone was that someone even exists in

◼   ► the real world but I those things are

◼   ► always pretty funny to me right as i

◼   ► call it grading on a curve

◼   ► yeah right it's this bending over

◼   ► backwards to make it seem as though it's

◼   ► it's more competitive than it really is

◼   ► because i had the bottom line was it was

◼   ► the the samsung galaxy player 4.2 I I'd

◼   ► i think i can do is write it was the

◼   ► ipod touch competitor right from Samsung

◼   ► and it does seem like finally five years

◼   ► later they've got a pretty good version

◼   ► of the ipod touch meaning in it like it

◼   ► like a high-end android phone without

◼   ► the phone but it was really really funny

◼   ► to read post take on well why would you

◼   ► buy this instead of the ipod touch and

◼   ► its really really hard you know that's a

◼   ► hard thing to come up with ya and I

◼   ► totally acknowledge that if you work at

◼   ► samsung or HTC any of these companies

◼   ► you're in the hole on this but it's it's

◼   ► like anything where if if you're behind

◼   ► it's not enough to catch up to who's in

◼   ► the lead you've got it put something out

◼   ► there that's that's in some ways ten

◼   ► times better

◼   ► yep totally agree thats that's like

◼   ► that's windows phone right now in a

◼   ► nutshell to you know it's great it's a

◼   ► good product but is it ten times better

◼   ► than than the iphone and you know

◼   ► certainly not with apps there's a what

◼   ► did they hit I think they did they hit a

◼   ► hundred thousand apps or something the

◼   ► other day but it's like you know that

◼   ► metric doesn't really matter that much

◼   ► anymore and I don't even know if they

◼   ► have a good percentage of the top apps

◼   ► on there it's just you know who who

◼   ► knows what those a hundred thousand apps

◼   ► are

◼   ► or in it and if they matter to anyone

◼   ► but you know we'll see what uh what all

◼   ► this windows 8 stuff if that changes

◼   ► things at all from from an app

◼   ► developers perspective

◼   ► yeah I'm pretty bearish right now on on

◼   ► windows 8 in general i don't know i

◼   ► don't know how much you've talked about

◼   ► it and I've said some things here and

◼   ► there I think you and I are on the same

◼   ► page where I just don't understand it

◼   ► you know i like the metro stuff and i

◼   ► kinda just wish they were doing that I

◼   ► know why they're not I mean they have

◼   ► the legacy and they have all those users

◼   ► they can't just abandon straight up but

◼   ► i think it's going to kind of be a

◼   ► nightmare I've only used prototype stuff

◼   ► but i think it's going to be a nightmare

◼   ► trying to reconcile those two completely

◼   ► different things into some kind of

◼   ► seamless operating system

◼   ► yeah I i think the bottom line and I'm

◼   ► fascinated to see how it turns out

◼   ► and if anybody can make it work it is

◼   ► Microsoft because there's one of their

◼   ► things that they've done right

◼   ► institutionally for 30 years is they've

◼   ► done a great job at moving legacy

◼   ► platforms forward and and moving people

◼   ► with them so like their transition from

◼   ► that command line das PC era to the

◼   ► graphical computing era was it was ugly

◼   ► and it right involved a bunch of lurches

◼   ► but they did move the existing

◼   ► market-leading daus user base to windows

◼   ► yet slowly but surely over a couple of

◼   ► releases yep but I think in and doesn't

◼   ► matter big or small big meaning like

◼   ► Microsoft Windows you know the biggest

◼   ► platform in the history of computing or

◼   ► small something like well I've been

◼   ► thinking about this a lot is with

◼   ► panik's new version of coded for the mac

◼   ► is that where you start with something

◼   ► in a design forever effects it going

◼   ► forward and what I mean by that with

◼   ► koda is koda is designed its for anybody

◼   ► is no it's like a one window web

◼   ► development app you can edit HTML you

◼   ► can edit PHP and other scripting

◼   ► languages

◼   ► it as a whole bunch of stuff to make CSS

◼   ► editing easier it has documentation for

◼   ► all sorts of web development

◼   ► technologies like HTML CSS preview

◼   ► windows and remote connection stuff

◼   ► which panic specializes in because they

◼   ► make transmit this great ftps FTP File

◼   ► Transfer things interact but the main

◼   ► thing is that it's the main conceit of

◼   ► coda ever since it came out five years

◼   ► ago is that it all in one window vs more

◼   ► traditional apps like say bbedit or even

◼   ► textmate where it's sort of each text

◼   ► file is in a window and even in text me

◼   ► where that it's more little bit more tab

◼   ► oriented than bbedit it still is a

◼   ► different paradigm and I think it's

◼   ► harder for an app like BBM edit to to

◼   ► move towards something like a one window

◼   ► development and it would be hard for

◼   ► Panik to take kota and say well hey some

◼   ► people want stuff in a whole bunch of

◼   ► windows

◼   ► how can we add how can we make an update

◼   ► Dakota or you can have everything in a

◼   ► different window like you start with

◼   ► this design and you're kind of stuck

◼   ► with and what Apple is done and i think

◼   ► i think it to me it just clicks and it

◼   ► makes sense is that they said look

◼   ► there's a new way to do all this stuff

◼   ► so we're going to start with a new

◼   ► platform we're going to sell this thing

◼   ► this ipad that is like a computer it's

◼   ► like a laptop more or less but we're not

◼   ► going to run Mac os10 on it at all

◼   ► we're not going to use the name

◼   ► something look like it's going to be all

◼   ► started over from scratch and it's going

◼   ► to have all these restrictions and all

◼   ► these limitations that you're not used

◼   ► to but because we're starting over it

◼   ► doesn't feel like we're breaking

◼   ► anything it's all new ground yeah

◼   ► whereas with windows 8 I really feel

◼   ► like as they get closer and closer

◼   ► people are really running into this but

◼   ► wait a minute you're going to break all

◼   ► of this stuff that I'm used to

◼   ► yeah and that and what's funny the most

◼   ► funny thing about that is that the way

◼   ► that they set it up you know what's this

◼   ► Steven Sinofsky the guys that you know

◼   ► in charge windows he keeps hurting these

◼   ► epically long post on the windows blogs

◼   ► but you know he set up whenever it was

◼   ► several months ago now that Windows 8 is

◼   ► all

◼   ► but no compromises but i think it's like

◼   ► you can view it both ways either they're

◼   ► not compromising in that they're there

◼   ► including everything that everyone could

◼   ► ever want and is that in it in and of

◼   ► itself a compromise because they're not

◼   ► actually giving the best user experience

◼   ► they're just throwing kinda everything

◼   ► in there and hoping it all works

◼   ► together and you know so far the early

◼   ► reviews of the it was at the release

◼   ► candidate or whatever just that just

◼   ► came out have been you know they say

◼   ► good things in general but switching

◼   ► between those two different interfaces

◼   ► is very jarring and and it's going to

◼   ► confuse the hell out of people right and

◼   ► the out that I see is with winrt which

◼   ► is the goofily name right the armed

◼   ► version

◼   ► yeah which isn't going to isn't going to

◼   ► start and we know what r T stands for is

◼   ► a real time with runtime what is it

◼   ► we know you know I don't know I think

◼   ► maybe run time but it's an awful name

◼   ► that really is yeah yeah but that's the

◼   ► one we're not going to have the legacy

◼   ► support they've got right maps in there

◼   ► like the built-in office apps which

◼   ► don't really look like metro they look a

◼   ► little bit more like traditional Windows

◼   ► but they really are supposedly touch

◼   ► oriented right and you can't install

◼   ► traditional windows looking apps on the

◼   ► getting so there won't be all this weird

◼   ► context switching yeah and that's that's

◼   ► great and I you know I know again I know

◼   ► why they couldn't do that overall just

◼   ► the sheer numbers that they be leaving

◼   ► behind and and and risk alienating

◼   ► completely but you know maybe maybe that

◼   ► version does better because it's uh it's

◼   ► kind of fresh and from the ground up but

◼   ► I don't know but then then it's like

◼   ► when you go to a store and you want to

◼   ► buy some kind of Windows machine do you

◼   ► buy the windows RT one with the armed

◼   ► ship to you by a similar-looking tablet

◼   ► device but has an intel chip and so it

◼   ► runs you know whatever the other flavor

◼   ► of Windows 8 is that's called it runs on

◼   ► the the old architecture

◼   ► it's like I don't know that seems like

◼   ► just a branding nightmare and a a

◼   ► consumer nightmare waiting to happen

◼   ► it really does to me because it seemed

◼   ► as if it it really doesn't seem

◼   ► confusing to me if it

◼   ► typical person just regular non nerve

◼   ► walks into an apple store that the

◼   ► difference between a mac and the ipad is

◼   ► very very different different names

◼   ► right different interface it it's all

◼   ► touch

◼   ► it's just a piece of glass this is super

◼   ► simple this is the thing I've heard

◼   ► about and here's the mac which is I

◼   ► understand even if you never use the mac

◼   ► surely you've used windows this is

◼   ► apple's thing that's like a regular pc

◼   ► with keyboard and windows and the mouse

◼   ► that you dragged around there's no

◼   ► confusion nobody's walking out with the

◼   ► wrong thing whereas I really really

◼   ► don't understand exactly what you said

◼   ► is if you go into a store and they have

◼   ► intel-based windows 8 tablets running

◼   ► the full version of Windows 8 and arm

◼   ► tablets that are running when Artie I

◼   ► really really don't understand how

◼   ► anybody except true nerds is going to

◼   ► understand what what the heck the

◼   ► differences in which one you might want

◼   ► to buy right and so then Microsoft has

◼   ► to hope you know that they can open

◼   ► about a 10,000 more uh windows stores

◼   ► and they can have their own people

◼   ► explaining this or the reality of the

◼   ► situation is that everyone's going to

◼   ► walk into bestbuy or go on Amazon uh you

◼   ► know best buy will be people who hit you

◼   ► know does the the employees working on

◼   ► Commission who have absolutely no idea

◼   ► what the difference will be and you know

◼   ► they just try and sell the most

◼   ► expensive one and then amazon you know

◼   ► you're left to fend for yourself and

◼   ► it's their guy I'm sure they're going to

◼   ► have you know the typical microsoft

◼   ► charts to show you know which is which

◼   ► feature doesn't have which version

◼   ► doesn't have this feature in which one

◼   ► doesn't this feature and it's just going

◼   ► to be heat such such a nightmare i do I

◼   ► you know it's just like God they should

◼   ► have just done windows RT the awful name

◼   ► and everything and just done the tablets

◼   ► that way and then had a more traditional

◼   ► version of windows and just kept it

◼   ► going and and you know hope and and see

◼   ► what happens that if people move more in

◼   ► the tablet space which is you know what

◼   ► of course is happening with Apple where

◼   ► they can have the two separate tracks

◼   ► and and there by natural selection kind

◼   ► of people are are choosing to go with

◼   ► the ipad more than they have with the

◼   ► with the mac and so they're just letting

◼   ► it play out in a natural

◼   ► way rather than trying to cram things

◼   ► together right so that you know Apple

◼   ► calls it back to the mac where they take

◼   ► these iOS ideas and right put them on

◼   ► the Mac you know and another example of

◼   ► what i said before about how where you

◼   ► start really affects what you can do in

◼   ► the future going forward I i still think

◼   ► that full screen mode on Mac os10 is

◼   ► weird and i just i use it sometimes but

◼   ► I don't use it nearly as much as I

◼   ► thought I would when they announced it

◼   ► and it's because yummy the whole system

◼   ► is designed on this idea that you're

◼   ► using these windows on one screen not

◼   ► full screen apps that

◼   ► yeah and i totally normal no way to

◼   ► square that circle smoothly i think it's

◼   ► you know I use it it seems to be good

◼   ► for certain things where you need a lot

◼   ► of screen real estate like I photos a

◼   ► good example of something that I like

◼   ► like to use it for and they do some

◼   ► interesting things that they don't play

◼   ► up enough because you know who the dual

◼   ► monitor situation isn't really i guess

◼   ► probably been a mainstream thing that

◼   ► you know they they actually do it

◼   ► smartly where you can do other things

◼   ► and even though it's a great out area or

◼   ► whatever you don't make it obvious that

◼   ► you can do it but you can kinda drag

◼   ► things over there and and work in that

◼   ► space as well when you have things full

◼   ► screen but other other apps don't do

◼   ► that at all and so it's just kind of

◼   ► like a wasted space into a monitor thing

◼   ► I think on the the bigger monitor in

◼   ► general like that you know the the full

◼   ► screen apps is often just overkill on a

◼   ► 911 meant an 11-inch macbook air it

◼   ► could be nice just because that screen

◼   ► is small but yeah it's really hard that

◼   ► design problem as opposed to on the ipad

◼   ► where it just feels utterly natural it

◼   ► feels like it's just write that

◼   ► everything is full screen and I think

◼   ► you know on the other hand it would be

◼   ► really hard to add multi-application

◼   ► windows to the iPad because it has

◼   ► doesn't the whole thing it just wouldn't

◼   ► would feel weird and that's that's sort

◼   ► of interesting because it's actually i

◼   ► don't know if you've had a chance to

◼   ► play at all i assume not because they

◼   ► just started coming out with them but

◼   ► the new version of Chrome OS so they

◼   ► sent me one of the one of the new

◼   ► Chromebooks you know to try out right

◼   ► and the new version of Chrome OS is is

◼   ► pretty different from the previous

◼   ► iterations of it I assume you played

◼   ► with like some iteration yeah we better

◼   ► see anything

◼   ► and so the new version is much more

◼   ► windows or answered then you know the

◼   ► old version was basically just pretty

◼   ► much a full screen browser at all times

◼   ► and it was you know if you could switch

◼   ► between windows but it would almost be

◼   ► like like now when i was ten when you

◼   ► switch when you're doing a full screen

◼   ► apps and it was kind of weird and now

◼   ► they're moving back to the window idea

◼   ► you can have a different there so

◼   ► browser windows but you can have

◼   ► different sizes open at the same time

◼   ► and kind of switch between them and it's

◼   ► it's fascinating that they are moving

◼   ► back to that thing and i get i know why

◼   ► they're doing it because they're trying

◼   ► to go after the the windows market

◼   ► itself and no one had any idea how to do

◼   ► this but uh I don't know if that will

◼   ► end up working for them or not I think

◼   ► it's a good idea to try it because no

◼   ► one was buying chrome OS as it stood so

◼   ► maybe this is a good idea for them to do

◼   ► it but they're going in the opposite way

◼   ► right you know in the bottom line for

◼   ► the mac users i think with this back to

◼   ► the mac thing is that it none of it's

◼   ► really broken their old habits where I

◼   ► got windows 8 really seems like it's

◼   ► going to break some habits 01 just

◼   ► notable example big big glaring

◼   ► fundamental difference between the mac

◼   ► and iOS is you just turn your machine on

◼   ► you've got nothing open you haven't used

◼   ► any apps

◼   ► what do you see on the Mac you see a

◼   ► desktop where you can save files and put

◼   ► folders and just puts right there and

◼   ► that's where you know Mac users famously

◼   ► and I have messy desktops full of files

◼   ► and folders and shortcuts and you know

◼   ► whatever they're working on at the

◼   ► moment and on iOS it's this home screen

◼   ► you still have a background you have the

◼   ► desktop picture but it's that's where

◼   ► your apps are right and Apple added this

◼   ► back to the mac thing called launch pad

◼   ► in 10 7 which is sort of like the iOS

◼   ► launch screen for the mac you all you

◼   ► see your apps that should be in theory

◼   ► if they start over from scratch with the

◼   ► mac today that would be your desktop

◼   ► launchpad would be your desktop wouldn't

◼   ► be an app that you launch or mode you

◼   ► jump to it would just be that would be

◼   ► your desktop and I think it would be a

◼   ► lot easier for most users especially

◼   ► people just come into the mac for the

◼   ► first time but I don't you think they

◼   ► can do it because too many people say

◼   ► files to the desktop and if they

◼   ► couldn't save file to the desktop they

◼   ► would go insane

◼   ► yeah it totally great do you do you end

◼   ► up using launchpad a lot I you know I

◼   ► found it first that i didn't use it and

◼   ► now now I just use it because that's the

◼   ► way that mac app store apps kinda you

◼   ► know the easiest way to find them it's

◼   ► like they're the you know the latest

◼   ► happens is the one that's that's right

◼   ► there in that view

◼   ► do you use it I use it a little bit on

◼   ► my air which is my secondary machine and

◼   ► I don't have all the apps that i have

◼   ► installed yet and so it's a lot cleaner

◼   ► i only have like two screens of apps on

◼   ► the air right right on my main desktop

◼   ► Mac know because it's like I've got like

◼   ► 40 pages of apps and it's there's no way

◼   ► to find anything and I really love and I

◼   ► use launch bar and it's I by the time I

◼   ► even think about opening launchpad

◼   ► I've already done the command space and

◼   ► type a few characters of the name of the

◼   ► app and the captain

◼   ► yep it's interesting to that chrome OS

◼   ► that you know going back to that for a

◼   ► second they also copy that that as well

◼   ► they have like a launchpad like

◼   ► functionality now that's kind of one of

◼   ► the main features to launch their web

◼   ► apps instead of you know native apps but

◼   ► ah it's something they copied a little

◼   ► bit from windows and copied a little bit

◼   ► from OS 10

◼   ► ah so it's it's certain music and the

◼   ► other thing I i'm sort of jumping around

◼   ► topics here but I want to go back to the

◼   ► I want to go back to this six-month

◼   ► prediction about app development on

◼   ► Android and that Eric Schmidt's

◼   ► prediction that which I think he meant

◼   ► that's the thing is that i think he

◼   ► believed it

◼   ► yeah totally and your piece on

◼   ► techcrunch today celebrating android

◼   ► first day the six-month anniversary you

◼   ► you specifically mentioned his that the

◼   ► explanation for why he thought things

◼   ► were going to change in the next six

◼   ► months was ice cream sandwich right

◼   ► which i completely agree is by far and

◼   ► away the best version of Android ever

◼   ► it's it's a huge difference and I've

◼   ► said this before but it to me it's proof

◼   ► that Matias Duarte I think I'm saying

◼   ► his name right right is is very talented

◼   ► I i think that's the one where his his

◼   ► design sense is sort of been imposed on

◼   ► Android as a whole and if you use a

◼   ► nexus

◼   ► phone it's it's coherent system wide

◼   ► it's it's very nice you had a good

◼   ► review of the the new Nexus that runs it

◼   ► right on and it i think it's a better

◼   ► system for developers have gotten rid of

◼   ► these soft buttons if you get a new

◼   ► phone so that you can have the whole

◼   ► screen on and so his body his argument

◼   ► was look ice cream sandwiches great

◼   ► we're gonna you know that's really

◼   ► what's going to drive people to to write

◼   ► for air android first and yet here's the

◼   ► thing

◼   ► it's seven months after ice cream

◼   ► sandwich came out and what's the

◼   ► percentage of android phones that are

◼   ► running scripts sandwich set 7.1 percent

◼   ► according to google themselves you know

◼   ► there they publish those numbers it's

◼   ► it's hilarious that you know it's just

◼   ► pathetic there's no other way to say it

◼   ► it's a it's so ridiculously seven whip

◼   ► 7.1 percent of android users are using

◼   ► what you know everyone from eric schmidt

◼   ► on down considers to be the best version

◼   ► of Android and there's nothing anyone

◼   ► can do about it right and he said

◼   ► specifically at this event we made this

◼   ► prediction we're making fun of his quote

◼   ► was with the ice cream sandwich release

◼   ► our core objective as a company is to

◼   ► get all of the hardware vendors onto

◼   ► that platform and I honestly I and i

◼   ► don't mean this and i really don't mean

◼   ► it to be making fun of them

◼   ► I I I think it just shows how Android as

◼   ► a whole has sort of spun out of their

◼   ► control

◼   ► yes as it as a concept it's it's become

◼   ► something that is obviously they're

◼   ► still driving that the development of

◼   ► the new releases but what how it's

◼   ► actually being used in the real world is

◼   ► has completely they've lost control of

◼   ► it right and you talked to people at

◼   ► Google I've had this discussion so many

◼   ► times in the past two to three years now

◼   ► where it's like they always and they you

◼   ► know they seem to legitimately believed

◼   ► that that's about to change and I don't

◼   ► know why they think that I mean that was

◼   ► part of the reason why you know I before

◼   ► the post you know making fun of the

◼   ► six-month claim you know I Provost six

◼   ► months ago pointing out june six you

◼   ► know as the day and just saying like you

◼   ► know we'll revisit it at that time and

◼   ► you know I just flat-out said like

◼   ► there's no way this is going to have

◼   ► and I laid out i think like five or six

◼   ► reasons why there was no way that that

◼   ► android development would actually

◼   ► surpassed iOS development and you know

◼   ► one of the reasons of of course and the

◼   ► thing that were you know talking about

◼   ► right now is that Google cannot get the

◼   ► OEMs and ore carriers to actually get in

◼   ► line with doing these the way that doing

◼   ► these updates the way that that Apple

◼   ► can with with their partners

◼   ► yeah i think and i think that there's a

◼   ► a it's like an institutional confidence

◼   ► and maybe it serves them well overall

◼   ► but that there's a sense of where Google

◼   ► we're doing cool stuff and so of course

◼   ► people are gonna get on board with what

◼   ► we want them to get on board with

◼   ► because of google yeah and then it's I i

◼   ► actually i think i wrote a post about a

◼   ► year ago or something that kind of like

◼   ► they were living in a dream world and of

◼   ► course that that put everyone on google

◼   ► side of things in a tizzy because you

◼   ► know pointing out not only that Android

◼   ► a with the carrier and OEM relationships

◼   ► isn't going as a as swimmingly as they

◼   ► had hope but also the google TV thing

◼   ► it's like they really thought that they

◼   ► were going to revolutionize the TV

◼   ► experience made you know they had all

◼   ► the executives that they needed to have

◼   ► I think was was atlanta two years ago at

◼   ► Google i/o I think they had like Howard

◼   ► Stringer up there and they had everyone

◼   ► and it was and it was you know sounding

◼   ► like it was going to be great and then

◼   ► everything just fell apart within like

◼   ► two months of that happening and is the

◼   ► same exact thing with the with google

◼   ► music which is probably the best well i

◼   ► would say Google Wallet might be the the

◼   ► biggest chaos situations they've ever

◼   ► had but google music is certainly one of

◼   ► them because it was two years ago almost

◼   ► exactly at i/o that they first announced

◼   ► you know what would look to be a full on

◼   ► itunes competitor of course they

◼   ► pre-announced it and no one knew for

◼   ► sure when it was going to come out and

◼   ► then hit took them several months of

◼   ► negotiating and it didn't actually

◼   ► launch until just about a year later and

◼   ► even today two years after they

◼   ► announced that they still don't have

◼   ► warner brothers on board

◼   ► I mean they still do not have one of the

◼   ► major labels on their big music service

◼   ► that was going to revolutionize you know

◼   ► music purchasing and how on earth do

◼   ► they not have at least twenty-five

◼   ► percent if not more

◼   ► Warners you know arguably the

◼   ► it's important to have on board they

◼   ► don't have them on board and they know

◼   ► you just you know they just thought that

◼   ► they could get it you know would be

◼   ► super easy and two years later

◼   ► nothing and it's not going to happen

◼   ► right i think that the group and add

◼   ► some steps when it comes to dealing with

◼   ► the rest of the industry that they

◼   ► implement instead of thinking like a

◼   ► chess player and having this look if we

◼   ► do this then this then this this is

◼   ► where we'll be

◼   ► you know and have this strategy that it

◼   ► with no gaps from here to there they

◼   ► have this we have the that famous South

◼   ► Park analogy where there's this step 2

◼   ► dot figure 3c is it alright let me let

◼   ► me hit the money button here and and do

◼   ► the first sponsor sure I want to thank

◼   ► brand new company it's a new app from a

◼   ► new company company is nice mohawk and

◼   ► they have a brand new app called Ida ITA

◼   ► think of it like it i think it's a Latin

◼   ► were plural for items a brand-new

◼   ► list-making app for the iphone and ipad

◼   ► and it's designed to make it fast and

◼   ► simple to collect and organize

◼   ► information i love the look at this app

◼   ► this app think of it as sort of almost

◼   ► like a field notes aesthetic like a

◼   ► brown paper with one of my favorite font

◼   ► future all over the place sort of the

◼   ► classic timeless fifties sixties look

◼   ► typographically looks like stationary

◼   ► beautiful ab and you just make lists

◼   ► it's not like a to-do system it's just

◼   ► less you make lists across items off

◼   ► couldn't be simpler and it syncs across

◼   ► iCloud so you can use it on more than

◼   ► one device and seamless sinking through

◼   ► iCloud universal app one app for both

◼   ► the iphone ipad and it's fully

◼   ► accessible using voiceover it is on sale

◼   ► right now for ninety-nine cents through

◼   ► june fifteenth one buck for the first

◼   ► list app that's actually better than a

◼   ► piece of paper

◼   ► Ida ITA from nice mohawk great app you

◼   ► doing

◼   ► do when you find out that there's a cool

◼   ► app from 99 cents i just buy it

◼   ► yeah there's no question i mean who

◼   ► cares 99 dance where years into this

◼   ► whole app store thing where there's this

◼   ► whole discussion where indie developers

◼   ► had gone from selling at least on the

◼   ► mac it was very standard just you know

◼   ► indie developers the low-end was always

◼   ► around 15 bucks

◼   ► I mean it seemed like nobody could

◼   ► really make a living selling software

◼   ► for less than 15 and most apps were

◼   ► usually started like 20 bucks you know

◼   ► 1999 yeah and the whole 99-cent thing

◼   ► really had people thinking is anybody

◼   ► going to be able to make a living

◼   ► selling these apps and it's you know it

◼   ► seems like definitely some are I mean

◼   ► whether 99 senses the right price for

◼   ► 199 and 299 but i'll tell you what for

◼   ► ninety-nine cents i just do it

◼   ► I just buy it um yeah i mean it's it's a

◼   ► no-brainer the only thing I actually

◼   ► think about now is that god I have so

◼   ► many apps and it's just going to get

◼   ► lost in the shuffle and you know will i

◼   ► buy it one night and then forget about

◼   ► it the next day and so a you know that's

◼   ► the only thing I think about it's not

◼   ► the the price thing it's almost just

◼   ► just you know a non equation because it

◼   ► is so cheap and so easy to download now

◼   ► I'm kind of interested to see how with

◼   ► you know some mountain lion presumably I

◼   ► i guess that they'll have the gold

◼   ► master version at WWDC next week

◼   ► you know we've both been trying it out

◼   ► for a bit the developer preview of it

◼   ► seems pretty solid to me i don't know if

◼   ► you've had any problems with it

◼   ► I the only thing I really noticed that

◼   ► kind of annoys me is the slow shutdown

◼   ► speed and that's like I don't really

◼   ► know what that's about I don't know if

◼   ► you've noticed that at all but uh

◼   ► there's and shut down

◼   ► ok so I you know I try and shut down i

◼   ► don't know why but I should tell them

◼   ► about what it once a night pretty much

◼   ► and then start anew in the in the

◼   ► morning but that's only thing I've

◼   ► noticed about it seems our salad but I'm

◼   ► sort of interested to see how the mac

◼   ► app store plays along with with mountain

◼   ► line now given the stuff that they're

◼   ► doing with with what's what's it called

◼   ► out of the Volt thing i'll file on and

◼   ► I'm sorry gatekeeper I know yeah you

◼   ► know how is that are people actually

◼   ► going to do the default setting for it

◼   ► right is going to be that people have to

◼   ► be

◼   ► yeah certified by this app certification

◼   ► thing and are people actually going to

◼   ► get around to doing that our developers

◼   ► going to do that and if they do that is

◼   ► there more incentive now to sell their

◼   ► stuff as as a registered developer over

◼   ► the web versus the mac app store i don't

◼   ► know if it's the if it's apple playing

◼   ► against itself is you know trying to

◼   ► trying to push the mac app store a

◼   ► little bit less than making it easier

◼   ► for people to do the web or if it's a

◼   ► kind of vice versatile just exploded

◼   ► interest in in mac apps in general i

◼   ► wonder i do think and I believe this and

◼   ► you know this could be one of those

◼   ► things where I'm 23 years from now I'm

◼   ► shown to be wrong but I do believe that

◼   ► Apple sees that as long as there's a mac

◼   ► that you'll be able to install software

◼   ► from anywhere it will not be app store

◼   ► only

◼   ► yep right which is a big fear for a lot

◼   ► of mac users is that there's gonna you

◼   ► know obviously not going to 10 8 but

◼   ► maybe ten nine or whatever

◼   ► sometimes a year from now two years now

◼   ► they're going to say hey there's a great

◼   ► new feature for security

◼   ► you can only install software from the

◼   ► mac app store I'm i don't think they're

◼   ► going to do that i really don't and I

◼   ► really think that gatekeeper is not a

◼   ► step towards that I think gatekeeper is

◼   ► a way of bringing some of the peace of

◼   ► mind of right the App Store to download

◼   ► it from anywhere apps right he's not

◼   ► going to start

◼   ► yeah yeah go ahead well how how

◼   ► restrictive are they going to be as they

◼   ► really only going to because the thing

◼   ► is is that you get this developer

◼   ► certificate that signs your apps and

◼   ► apple can revoke so if you've used it

◼   ► for something that seemed to be malware

◼   ► people have got it apple can revoke that

◼   ► certificate remotely and then

◼   ► yep that all those apps just stopped

◼   ► working where they only going to what

◼   ► are they going to use that for they

◼   ► really are going to use it for things

◼   ► that everybody agrees our malware or

◼   ► like what about like this situation with

◼   ► the rogue amoeba airfoil touch

◼   ► yes it's interesting right right right

◼   ► so let me see if I can summarize this

◼   ► quickly but Rogan me by

◼   ► as this app for the iphone called

◼   ► airfoil speakers touch and you can use

◼   ► it to it's like a airplay remember

◼   ► fireplace without it and they added a

◼   ► new feature as I can night so you can

◼   ► play for you know music from airfoil on

◼   ► your Mac or PC to your to your iOS

◼   ► devices and it's great works works

◼   ► amazingly well they added a new feature

◼   ► in the latest version like six weeks ago

◼   ► that lets you set your iOS device as a

◼   ► destination for airplay from itunes so

◼   ► you can play music from itunes and have

◼   ► it sent there just looks just like when

◼   ► your apple TV shows up as a airplay

◼   ► destination right and the way there is

◼   ► no supported way to do that the way they

◼   ► did that is with this technique with you

◼   ► know I I think I don't even know how it

◼   ► works but any but there is no supported

◼   ► way to do it i think they have like a

◼   ► key that that came out of a an airport

◼   ► express or something like that the

◼   ► public key or something like that but

◼   ► it's not supported and once Apple

◼   ► figured out that the app got into the

◼   ► app store but then because that's the

◼   ► sort of obscure edge case that the

◼   ► reviewers aren't going to catch and

◼   ► they're not violating any of the actual

◼   ► rules of the app store in terms of

◼   ► private api all they're doing is using a

◼   ► non-public decryption key to be a air

◼   ► plate receiver and so apple took it out

◼   ► of the store until they took that

◼   ► feature out of the app and resubmitted

◼   ► it to the store so would they

◼   ► there's here so here's where i'm going

◼   ► with that what about if rogue amoeba

◼   ► ships a mac version that has the same

◼   ► feature right size not alter the store

◼   ► it's just sold through the through the

◼   ► web though right right so directly not

◼   ► through the mac app store right from the

◼   ► rogue amoeba website if it's signed by

◼   ► gatekeeper is that ok because it's not

◼   ► now where it's doing exactly what it was

◼   ► billed to do

◼   ► yeah I may not be happy i would hope

◼   ► that that what they would do in that

◼   ► situation is just reach out to the

◼   ► developer and you know try and talk to

◼   ► them back channel because it seems like

◼   ► it's a bit of you know it's going to be

◼   ► an edge case type situation where they

◼   ► can probably you know handle that they

◼   ► have the the man

◼   ► or to be able to handle that rather than

◼   ► just kill the app because that will

◼   ► cause an absolute shit storm if they do

◼   ► that you have a remotely kill a nap that

◼   ► was downloaded from the web

◼   ► you know that's kind of a a barrier i

◼   ► don't think they want to cross right i

◼   ► would think that they don't want to

◼   ► cross that because i really do think

◼   ► they want developers to get on board

◼   ► with this they want all the major Mac

◼   ► developers you know if you're going to

◼   ► keep selling stuff that's not my app app

◼   ► store only at least do this and I think

◼   ► that anything that they could do that

◼   ► would make developers wary of doing it i

◼   ► think those shy away from yeah yeah i

◼   ► think that the only use it for malware

◼   ► stuff and you know it's it's it's really

◼   ► genius because it kind of cuts mail

◼   ► where problems off you know right at the

◼   ► root of it rather than having to worry

◼   ► about it after the fact and so it's

◼   ► smart in that way I i still wonder and I

◼   ► and I think this is going to play out

◼   ► pretty interestingly in Mount line

◼   ► itself because you know they'll have for

◼   ► the first time all will be mac apps that

◼   ► can play nicely with iOS apps right so

◼   ► they'll have a lot of games that they're

◼   ► kinda that there will be coming out that

◼   ► will be able to do that that might my

◼   ► thought is and i'm pretty sure this is

◼   ► true maybe you know the answer sure that

◼   ► they have to be sold through the mac app

◼   ► store to be able to do that to be able

◼   ► to interplay with with iOS apps you know

◼   ► if that's if that's actually the case

◼   ► run the question by me again i'm not

◼   ► quite sure so they'll have you know like

◼   ► a game for example they had you know

◼   ► some sort of game that will right now of

◼   ► course you can play across iOS devices

◼   ► you can play with an iphone vs an ipad

◼   ► and some reason say and you know the end

◼   ► so they'll have it now where you can do

◼   ► it via the mac to you can play a game

◼   ► that's that syncs across the entire

◼   ► ecosystem but i think that those are

◼   ► only going to work if it's sold the mac

◼   ► app store i think there's things like

◼   ► Game Center that they're going to

◼   ► require you to use the mac app store for

◼   ► yeah I and I it there's nothing that

◼   ► would keep a developer from implementing

◼   ► their own peer to peer over the Wi-Fi

◼   ► thing that would let an ipad

◼   ► up communicate with a mac app you can do

◼   ► that today alright though that if you

◼   ► want to do it through apple's sister

◼   ► apples back and try to go through the I

◼   ► mean it's the same thing with iCloud for

◼   ► storage is yep

◼   ► the only way you get to write to iCloud

◼   ► is if you go through the app store right

◼   ► and i think it's all about you know it's

◼   ► they're not going to they're never gonna

◼   ► see that control the start so that if

◼   ► anybody's writing it is abusing iCloud

◼   ► by writing way too much data exceeding

◼   ► any kind of you know limits are using it

◼   ► for file sharing or something ridiculous

◼   ► like that Apple can just yank the plug

◼   ► yet and this out let me ask you this

◼   ► this is this is something that developed

◼   ► that more than one developer is brought

◼   ► up you know in the past few months with

◼   ► me that when talking specifically about

◼   ► gatekeeper and i think you said

◼   ► something about this before but I'm

◼   ► interested in your take it some the idea

◼   ► that gatekeeper is sort of a test to see

◼   ► if they would if they can ever do non

◼   ► appstore apps on iOS devices so they

◼   ► would do the same thing where they they

◼   ► sign the developer and they have no

◼   ► unsigned developers since they're

◼   ► starting from scratch they would be with

◼   ► iOS but they would have a way that you

◼   ► could download via the web as long as

◼   ► they were a assigned developer and you

◼   ► would just lose excess of course to

◼   ► things like iCloud access and can game

◼   ► center and those type of Apple things

◼   ► but you would be allowed to download

◼   ► from the web do you think that's ever

◼   ► going to happen i don't and in fact John

◼   ► Walton I talked about it on last week's

◼   ► episode and i think it's it's possible

◼   ► and if they were going to do it would

◼   ► definitely be through gatekeeper like I

◼   ► think that in if they ever did it i

◼   ► don't think they would ever allow true

◼   ► unsigned side-loaded apps if they ever

◼   ► allowed sideload apps in iOS it would be

◼   ► through something exactly like

◼   ► gatekeeper where it's signed and they

◼   ► could still revoke it remotely actually

◼   ► have were sitting right here it's open a

◼   ► tab i haven't linked to it yet i have a

◼   ► blog post from a guy named zach weekend

◼   ► and he after listening to the show last

◼   ► week he said let me see if i can find it

◼   ► a good pull quote here that it's not

◼   ► about the money yes Apple makes a little

◼   ► bit of money from their thirty percent

◼   ► cut but they are also providing a

◼   ► service for that tree they host your

◼   ► yup I agree with that that is not just

◼   ► about the money i don't know i think

◼   ► they're on the Apple gets me abstracts

◼   ► it's nice and neutral to them it's icing

◼   ► on the cake right but the reason he

◼   ► finds it hard to believe that apple will

◼   ► ever open up the floodgates to third

◼   ► party at our third party non appstore

◼   ► apps is one word

◼   ► amazon if Apple were to allow apps to be

◼   ► loaded from other sources nothing would

◼   ► prevent amazon from creating a rival

◼   ► store one that provides many of the same

◼   ► benefits and is even more

◼   ► developer-friendly uh yeah that's

◼   ► interesting that's really interesting

◼   ► actually because you look at the history

◼   ► of amazon while they are sort of trying

◼   ► to do this now with the with the android

◼   ► that's kind of their model in general

◼   ► where they just you know they figure out

◼   ► kind of the some weak point and just

◼   ► kind of go over the top and figure out a

◼   ► way to bully their their way into the

◼   ► system and kind of disrupted from the

◼   ► ground up and yeah that could

◼   ► potentially open some sort of box that

◼   ► that apple doesn't want to open if they

◼   ► were to do that I think that amazon have

◼   ► a harder time doing it from pure light

◼   ► quality perspective and maybe even you

◼   ► know kind of confusion on how to install

◼   ► things but yeah that's pretty

◼   ► interesting

◼   ► I like that idea right I so I i would

◼   ► think my honest feeling is that they

◼   ► wouldn't do it unless they were forced

◼   ► to buy antitrust legislation

◼   ► yeah or however you want to put it

◼   ► government regulation right I then if

◼   ► they did that that's the route they

◼   ► would take yeah that's so not

◼   ► yeah interesting i wanted i forgot to

◼   ► mention one time wanted to give a

◼   ► shout-out to Ida about is that with this

◼   ► skeuomorphic sort of paper list thing

◼   ► they've done something i don't know if

◼   ► they had me in mind I don't know what

◼   ► they've done something that makes me

◼   ► just adore the app which is that like

◼   ► the whole user interface like i said is

◼   ► in future which I door but when you

◼   ► enter stuff it's not in and marker felt

◼   ► or chalkboard or any of those goofy

◼   ► silly childish handwriting fonts it's

◼   ► your input is helvetica it it's the I

◼   ► just wanted I can't believe i forgot to

◼   ► mention entering a sponsor read that

◼   ► it's the skeuomorphic paper type thing

◼   ► but without

◼   ► goofy silly handwriting fun which is why

◼   ► does Apple use those anyway like

◼   ► everyone just makes fun of them

◼   ► I you know what these are no I just

◼   ► remember the day I got my original

◼   ► iphone in 2007 I loved every single

◼   ► thing about it except that stupid font

◼   ► and notes app yes couldn't stop looking

◼   ► at it as I and I know they switched from

◼   ► marker fell to the one that has talking

◼   ► the name and i love the name the chalk

◼   ► name and I just can't help but think

◼   ► that it's somebody else that Apple who

◼   ► thinks of it like I do like nails on a

◼   ► chalkboard every time there's a pic also

◼   ► i also have a little another piece of

◼   ► correction from last week I have to get

◼   ► to is that last week's sponsor i

◼   ► pronouncing your name wrong

◼   ► pixelmator not pixel mentor and I I

◼   ► curse myself for this because i called

◼   ► it Pixelmator for years and then

◼   ► somebody somewhere told me that because

◼   ► the guys who make the aperture German

◼   ► that it's not called Pixelmator it's

◼   ► pixel mentor and I thought well you know

◼   ► I want to be worldly I'm debonair and it

◼   ► pronounce words in other languages so I

◼   ► didn't really think about it before we

◼   ► did the show and I did the sponsoring

◼   ► then i got like a hundred emails from

◼   ► people saying holy crap i've been saying

◼   ► Pixelmator like our automator for years

◼   ► I can't believe I'm wrong so I checked

◼   ► with the Pixelmator guys in there they

◼   ► said its Pixelmator like automator and I

◼   ► and I and I did the wrong thing i

◼   ► overthought it so that that's another

◼   ► piece of cleanup us we have a winner

◼   ► when you come guys soon you're coming

◼   ► out here for WI will be there I will be

◼   ► there next week

◼   ► have you uh would what do you know what

◼   ► your general thoughts what's coming

◼   ► that's what I go we can spend the rest

◼   ► of the show and you know what I'll take

◼   ► an opportunity right now I have another

◼   ► announcement to make

◼   ► I'll just make it right now maybe

◼   ► there's going to be a live episode of

◼   ► this show the talk show next week

◼   ► broadcast from WWDC gonna be on tuesday

◼   ► at five thirty and it's going to be free

◼   ► it's about a hundred and fifty tickets

◼   ► to give out so if you want to go if

◼   ► you're going to be in san francisco

◼   ► gonna be at WWDC it's going to be held a

◼   ► few blocks away from Moscow knee tuesday

◼   ► afternoon you can get tickets at

◼   ► talk-show dot eventbrite.com that's

◼   ► eventbrite is spelled bri te dot-com

◼   ► there's about a hundred fifty tickets I

◼   ► don't know how fast they're going to go

◼   ► i'm not going to announce on daring

◼   ► fireball the only way I'm gonna announce

◼   ► it is right here during this broadcast I

◼   ► special guest is going to be cable

◼   ► sasser of panic i don't know maybe

◼   ► there'll be other surprise guess I'm not

◼   ► sure probably about an hour show so nice

◼   ► the talk show at eventbrite.com hope you

◼   ► can make it

◼   ► yeah i'll be a i'll be there on Tuesday

◼   ► Tuesday 530 so I figure we'll have lots

◼   ► of WBC news to talk about and talked

◼   ► about Panik software with with cable

◼   ► after so what to expect i don't know i

◼   ► guess they-- it seems like everybody

◼   ► realized it seems pretty obvious is

◼   ► going to new mac hardware right I'm not

◼   ► sure though how much time you know i

◼   ► like to think about where they put the

◼   ► emphasis in their key nuts because it's

◼   ► their very very carefully thought-out

◼   ► yep i wonder how much time they're going

◼   ► to spend talking about Mac hardware or

◼   ► will it just be I i can honestly see it

◼   ► it's not even really being mentioned i

◼   ► don't know i guess if they go retina

◼   ► display they're going to have to mention

◼   ► it because that's developer news and

◼   ► that's a real bragging point that they

◼   ► can jump on over the industry and they

◼   ► can say look first we brought the retina

◼   ► to the phone then we brought the retina

◼   ► to the ipad everybody loves it text is

◼   ► beautiful pictures look better now we're

◼   ► bringing it to the mac yep

◼   ► yeah I i think you know obviously

◼   ► everyone knows the trend over the years

◼   ► where because iOS is so huge compared to

◼   ► Mac development that this is the focus

◼   ► of WWDC now and it just so happens that

◼   ► the timing of all this this new mac

◼   ► hardware seems to be corresponding

◼   ► perfectly with wwc so you think that

◼   ► they got to say something about it there

◼   ► and the fact that they have you know the

◼   ► new OS 10 presumably close to being done

◼   ► they've always said is gonna come out

◼   ► this summer you know and and they like

◼   ► to of course launch those things with

◼   ► some new hardware so it still seems like

◼   ► though yeah i mean you all the banners

◼   ► you see that are up right now at at

◼   ► moscone are

◼   ► are pretty much a populated so it will

◼   ► be interesting to see how much time they

◼   ► devote to to the mac itself but I cannot

◼   ► wait to see what of retina display on a

◼   ► macbook and you know macbook pro or

◼   ► whatever it's going to be looks like I

◼   ► can't even really think about what it

◼   ► would look like because you know you you

◼   ► look at your screen right now I'm

◼   ► looking at a 27-inch imac screen and

◼   ► it's a beautiful screen and it's always

◼   ► been a beautiful screen and it's like

◼   ► how you know how much better is it going

◼   ► to be now with it with a Retina display

◼   ► and will it be the same situation that

◼   ► we had with the iphone and that with the

◼   ► ipad where you can look at one of the

◼   ► retina displays and then you look at the

◼   ► old one and while when you first look at

◼   ► one and look at the other you know too I

◼   ► think I still think to kind of the the

◼   ► common user they're like okay yeah it

◼   ► looks nicer but you don't really you

◼   ► don't really get into you look at one

◼   ► and then look at the other right away or

◼   ► try and switch back after a long time

◼   ► using it and it just looks awful and is

◼   ► that the way all macs are going to look

◼   ► now

◼   ► yeah i think it's the same that whenever

◼   ► you buy a new computer and it's faster

◼   ► than your old one you notice the speed

◼   ► for a couple of seconds and it feels fun

◼   ► you know it kind of fades away and then

◼   ► if you go back to the old machine after

◼   ► a couple of days are like I can't

◼   ► believe i use this and that is the

◼   ► retina displays exact same way where and

◼   ► I remember it the naysayers about the

◼   ► ipad who are saying there's no way

◼   ► they're gonna you know they could do

◼   ► with the phone because it was only 960 x

◼   ► 6 whatever 640 on but there's no way

◼   ► they're going to put the 2048 pixel

◼   ► display and this tiny little iPad it's

◼   ► that that's insane you're not going to

◼   ► do it nobody's gonna road is nobody's

◼   ► winning money it's a price nobody is out

◼   ► there did you know they argument was

◼   ► nobody's out there with the first ipad

◼   ► or the second one saying my god the

◼   ► pixels are too noticeable on this but

◼   ► the truth is once you've used the eye

◼   ► the retina display one they are they're

◼   ► off yes

◼   ► yeah it's pretty bad to go back and and

◼   ► look at it now you can pack a i mean

◼   ► it's it's me it's even worse than it is

◼   ► on the on the iphone switch which is

◼   ► still pretty bad but just because the

◼   ► bigger screen and so it'll be even a

◼   ► bigger screen now you know presumably a

◼   ► 15 inch or something like that with the

◼   ► with a mac book and it's like it got

◼   ► that's going to be really jarring to

◼   ► today and I know into mac people have

◼   ► said to me over the years because I i do

◼   ► i I obsess over typography

◼   ► it is absolutely one of my great

◼   ► passions and I've had this discussion

◼   ► with people about pixels is that you

◼   ► know that it's inevitable and and and

◼   ► they say well know most people don't

◼   ► care about this stuff like you do so why

◼   ► would they bother but it's the path that

◼   ► print talk right like if you look at

◼   ► really old books if you look at books

◼   ► that were printed you know like vintage

◼   ► books from about a hundred years ago or

◼   ► so that the printing quality was great i

◼   ► mean it you know typography had you know

◼   ► some of the great text faces of all time

◼   ► were well established already a hundred

◼   ► years ago and the typography is gorgeous

◼   ► but if you look at the quality of the

◼   ► printing it's it there's a lot of you

◼   ► know the ink spread a lot and the fonts

◼   ► were designed to accommodate that the

◼   ► great text faces of hundred years ago

◼   ► were designed with the idea that look

◼   ► it's gonna you know it's not going to be

◼   ► super crisp it's not the letters are

◼   ► going to be perfect you go to a

◼   ► bookstore now buy a print book that the

◼   ► the quality of the type in the book is

◼   ► astounding

◼   ► it is like each letter is absolutely

◼   ► perfectly by a newsweek or time I mean

◼   ► they still print Newsweek right i think

◼   ► so

◼   ► dan lyons you know he's he's big in

◼   ► there somebody's going to have

◼   ► somebody's wearing his legs right I the

◼   ► print quality is astounding

◼   ► it is absolutely astounding and its

◼   ► beginning maybe you don't notice that

◼   ► the you did people don't buy news we can

◼   ► think my god this thing is is very

◼   ► finely printed ah you may not know that

◼   ► you may not think it but you notice it

◼   ► and that's just like the way apple stuff

◼   ► is all the way you know where people

◼   ► don't buy normal people don't buy it

◼   ► the iphone and think about how nice this

◼   ► seems our between the steel antenna and

◼   ► the glass front and you may not think

◼   ► about it but you appreciate it right do

◼   ► you think do you think that they just to

◼   ► kind of one product with at first with

◼   ► the retina display for in terms of the

◼   ► Mack you know they do a macbook pro

◼   ► rather than the macbook air and and

◼   ► maybe or do they do you know do the

◼   ► release of cinema display one that can

◼   ► use that obviously they've met new mac

◼   ► pro's you'll need new cinema displays or

◼   ► or you can use the old ones but do they

◼   ► do just one uh

◼   ► retina at first try I really don't know

◼   ► I I thought originally that they would

◼   ► do it one just to introducing and it

◼   ► seems like that's a little bit more of a

◼   ► napoli way to do it is just interactive

◼   ► but it seems like there but there's so

◼   ► many spots in the mac product matrix

◼   ► that are overdue for an update that it

◼   ► just feels to me like they're going to

◼   ► just do the whole line at once and say

◼   ► that they all they all get written that

◼   ► you get a Retina Display you get to it's

◼   ► going to be Oprah Winfrey up they're

◼   ► great cars God you think they'll do a

◼   ► 27-inch imac and like cinema display on

◼   ► that would be pretty insane

◼   ► I don't know it seems it seems almost

◼   ► impossible but that's what I thought

◼   ► about the phone to when I first heard

◼   ► the rumors you know three years ago that

◼   ► they were going to double the pixel

◼   ► resolution on the iphone it just seemed

◼   ► impossible

◼   ► yep I I mean it like there's more pixels

◼   ► i still have a 20 inch cinema display

◼   ► but even if you had like the old 23 into

◼   ► whatever you the ipad today's ipad has

◼   ► more pixels than oh that's crazy on

◼   ► yeah so I don't know I I you know I

◼   ► almost wonder in at it I don't even know

◼   ► if it's like a yield problem but maybe

◼   ► at this point you know with the pixels

◼   ► that small a couple of dead pixels you

◼   ► don't even notice i honestly don't know

◼   ► right

◼   ► sure would be awesome if they did and I

◼   ► wonder you know obviously they'll try

◼   ► and they'll do something within os10

◼   ► mountain lion sooo kind of make older

◼   ► apps look fine on the new thing without

◼   ► being custom tailored for it but I I do

◼   ► sort of wonder

◼   ► excuse me what they'll end up looking

◼   ► like I think it's going to be like the

◼   ► iphone where they know they're going to

◼   ► stick out the ones that haven't been

◼   ► updated are going to stick out because

◼   ► that is the weird thing the weird thing

◼   ► about and I didn't think of it didn't

◼   ► make sense to me until I saw it but when

◼   ► you run non-retina apps on the iphone

◼   ► based shouldn't theory

◼   ► look the same as they did on an old 3gs

◼   ► with a non retina display but they don't

◼   ► it looks worse right because the pixels

◼   ► yeah there's a little for pixel square

◼   ► one pixel used to be but there's so much

◼   ► sharper that you see that whereas it was

◼   ► sort of fun

◼   ► on the old non retina displays there was

◼   ► a fuzziness that sort of glossed over

◼   ► the the pixelation that you can notice

◼   ► whereas yep when you run them on the

◼   ► actual retina displays it it turns into

◼   ► sharp jagged pneus that stair-step you

◼   ► know like you're filling in graph paper

◼   ► right look and I you know I think that I

◼   ► think that's the motivation i think

◼   ► that's the one thing about apples

◼   ► success with this sort of athletics are

◼   ► a core value that across-the-board it

◼   ► just gets developers on board like your

◼   ► app looks like ass is is like a kick in

◼   ► the pants to developers to hurry up

◼   ► hurry up and fix it like no one wants to

◼   ► be that guy who people are saying i love

◼   ► your app but boy it looks like ass on my

◼   ► new macbook air

◼   ► yeah I wonder I you know I think about

◼   ► like what are.what are 1080p movies

◼   ► gonna be like when you know most youtube

◼   ► things or 1080p now we have the option

◼   ► for at Vimeo videos and then of course

◼   ► the itunes content you know they can go

◼   ► with it so far beyond that but

◼   ► Hollywood's obviously not ready to do

◼   ► that they are they're filming like the

◼   ► filming the new Hobbit movie right with

◼   ► those red cams and that's going to be a

◼   ► uniform can I resolution right for can

◼   ► and so there are you know there are

◼   ► there will be options do that in the

◼   ► future but you know it's going to be an

◼   ► interesting transition is AI think video

◼   ► I think video gets by with it though

◼   ► because of the motion

◼   ► yeah is it right immersion kinda

◼   ► inherently blurs the stuff just like

◼   ► with you know when you watch an actual

◼   ► film projected that the you know the the

◼   ► frame to frame you don't see the frames

◼   ► and so right i think that covers it up i

◼   ► think a bigger question is what

◼   ► photography photographs are going to

◼   ► look like

◼   ► yep and you kind of see that on the ipad

◼   ► i think especially when you're on the

◼   ► web because most websites don't have

◼   ► retina photographs their photographs on

◼   ► the web and you really I'd I think you

◼   ► can really see like jpeg compression now

◼   ► that you couldn't see before with the

◼   ► exact same photograph on on a on another

◼   ► kind of non retina display

◼   ► yeah yeah it was you know I had my

◼   ► little logo thing

◼   ► of course wasn't wasn't retina ready

◼   ► when it came out and I just look at that

◼   ► and cringe every single day and soho now

◼   ► it's a matter of just uploading a much

◼   ► larger image file but it looks finally

◼   ► looks fine red yeah let me I'm gonna

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◼   ► them and look for Matt wdc so what else

◼   ► maps maps it seems like a done deal i

◼   ► mean that's the one that's that's leaked

◼   ► everywhere

◼   ► what what would you make of the of the

◼   ► google event yes it was me yesterday

◼   ► that happened kind of funny funny little

◼   ► event you know that uh that I don't know

◼   ► what they were really thinking you know

◼   ► if they were even trying to be a smart

◼   ► about the way that they kind of time the

◼   ► entire thing every tweet that is all

◼   ► about it you know I was gearing up to

◼   ► just sit down and watch it and then it's

◼   ► just like treat us like this is

◼   ► ridiculous

◼   ► announcing anything all they're saying

◼   ► is you know kind of the history of

◼   ► google maps and and going into you know

◼   ► how great the product is and it's very

◼   ► clear that they threw this conference

◼   ► together at the last second just to

◼   ► preempt whatever Apple is going to

◼   ► announce at wwc one of the articles I

◼   ► read covering and i forget which side it

◼   ► was on but the first comment was perfect

◼   ► it was the first comment with somebody

◼   ► who's comment was google to apple all

◼   ► caps first

◼   ► yeah you know which is it was so perfect

◼   ► because it's you know that's famously

◼   ► what try to people jerks try to stick in

◼   ► is the first comment on any article

◼   ► right it really was and and somebody

◼   ► else had the analogy is on Twitter and I

◼   ► wish I'd thought of it was that it

◼   ► really wreaked of that it was exactly

◼   ► like that 2010 CES keynote from steve

◼   ► ballmer whenever your slates and right

◼   ► right holding up their one year it was

◼   ► you know six weeks before the original

◼   ► iPad introduction and it was at a point

◼   ► where there is this fever pitch of hey

◼   ► apples really doing a tablet and there

◼   ► is coming soon

◼   ► everybody knew it nobody knew what it

◼   ► was going to be but there's this idea

◼   ► that Apple has a tablet and it's coming

◼   ► soon in and Microsoft CES keynote was

◼   ► about slates and they tried to grasp the

◼   ► word in there and and Google got a

◼   ► chance to throw out the 3d word I you

◼   ► know even though you know they've had 3d

◼   ► elements of course for for a while but

◼   ► now they have some concern new you know

◼   ► I amazing 3d element coming soon my new

◼   ► nothing was actually released at this

◼   ► event because it wasn't ready right but

◼   ► coming soon they will have some sort of

◼   ► 3d thing I thought I think was like

◼   ► quentin hardy for I think he wrote about

◼   ► in new york times maybe even like the

◼   ► bits blog there something like that but

◼   ► I'm you know because I was of course

◼   ► extremely skeptical and just wrote a

◼   ► post pretty much trashing that that

◼   ► whole conference is a giant waste of

◼   ► time and kinda showing a google has

◼   ► while they are you know undoubtedly the

◼   ► leader in maps they do have a

◼   ► vulnerability here that I think is is

◼   ► going to be fun sort of watch how it

◼   ► plays out but I thought we'd already had

◼   ► an interesting other view of it which is

◼   ► that they had to do this conference to

◼   ► try and

◼   ► preempt what the rest of the press will

◼   ► talk about at wwc which is that

◼   ► Wow Apple you know has an opportunity

◼   ► here to really hurt a google wear

◼   ► something that matters because you know

◼   ► mobile mobile Sookie maps are so key to

◼   ► mobile and there's all this data and you

◼   ► know Google could

◼   ► know Google could

◼   ► lose half the market all of a sudden and

◼   ► so Quinton hardees point was that you

◼   ► know this at least put some seed in the

◼   ► presses mind that well you know this

◼   ► what apple announced you know could be

◼   ► disruptive certainly but it's not nearly

◼   ► as good as what Google is done in and

◼   ► you know they've had seven years to work

◼   ► on this and they've been doing it all

◼   ► this time and they have all the experts

◼   ► in the space you know working on this

◼   ► problem so there's no way they can

◼   ► actually do it

◼   ► it was basically just a plant a seed of

◼   ► doubt in five days before WC about it i

◼   ► guess i just think it makes them look

◼   ► defensive though

◼   ► yes right there my tickets they're

◼   ► fighting down rather than fighting

◼   ► because they are a position of power

◼   ► I you know I i if it were me I would

◼   ► just stay silent

◼   ► you know yeah and you know i might have

◼   ► you know fought as hard as i could have

◼   ► been negotiating table to convince Apple

◼   ► to stick with google maps in iOS if if I

◼   ► really thought that was in Google's

◼   ► interests but if they were clearly going

◼   ► to go their own way and not not renew

◼   ► the contract then just shut down

◼   ► silence and you know good luck and let's

◼   ► see what they do and let them do it

◼   ► because you know Jay arrow had a piece

◼   ► on business insider today and in typical

◼   ► business insider fashion it's sort of

◼   ► sensationalizing it why Apple is taking

◼   ► a tremendous risk with this time but

◼   ► he's a good guy

◼   ► the arrow and he has a good point the

◼   ► fundamental point though is that it is a

◼   ► risk because it has to be as good as

◼   ► google maps yet overall you know

◼   ► directions have to be as good and they

◼   ► can't in on and I I'm guessing that's

◼   ► why it's taking them so long with their

◼   ► a been working on this for a while

◼   ► they've been making these accusations

◼   ► accusations four years is that there's

◼   ► no other way to roll that out other than

◼   ► to do it all at once and have beautiful

◼   ► cartography that covers the world and

◼   ► accurate directions and driving and

◼   ► transit public right hands it you know

◼   ► and I know that the google walking

◼   ► directions of star still beta but you

◼   ► know that they pretty good i mean at

◼   ► least in the cities i've used them in I

◼   ► mean it always works

◼   ► I mean I think they're just covering

◼   ► their ass if you know you can hit by a

◼   ► car or something like that

◼   ► right on but it just has to be as good

◼   ► and it's an area where Apple is it's not

◼   ► a historical struggling unproven yeah

◼   ► yeah and it's like it goes back to what

◼   ► we were talking about kind of the

◼   ► beginning where you know if if you're

◼   ► gonna come into a market that's kind of

◼   ► dominated by someone you have to do

◼   ► something that's that's really kind of

◼   ► you know not just not just as good but

◼   ► 10 times better

◼   ► Apple resident necessarily have to do

◼   ► that here because they have control of

◼   ► this platform and so you know people

◼   ► will have no choice but rather to use it

◼   ► and as long as it's just as good

◼   ► that will be fine for people you know

◼   ► most people won't even you know most

◼   ► average consumers I think wouldn't even

◼   ► they'll notice a difference obviously if

◼   ► they look a little different but they

◼   ► wouldn't really care if it's a google

◼   ► map or if it's an apple maps as long as

◼   ► it functions just as well as it did so

◼   ► it doesn't have to be better here but it

◼   ► has to be as good and that's you know

◼   ► that's asking a lot and and no one knows

◼   ► if Apple's going to be able to pull it

◼   ► off or not they certainly think that the

◼   ► candidate seems like but who knows my

◼   ► big question and i have i forget if I

◼   ► ask this to john molitor adam lee circle

◼   ► around the show a week or two ago and I

◼   ► had it was multiple that would we

◼   ► couldn't figure it out is do you think

◼   ► they're gonna do a web version of the

◼   ► map yeah I actually i said this

◼   ► yesterday too kind of thinking out loud

◼   ► about it that's that's a really

◼   ► interesting question because it's on one

◼   ► hand it seems like if they're going to

◼   ► ask every developer to do this along

◼   ► with you know the standard maps app so

◼   ► in all the apps i'll have the you know

◼   ► they someone brought up the point you

◼   ► know that it's not like there is a

◼   ► Google Maps SDK part of the the iOS SDK

◼   ► is just the you know they've mapkit I

◼   ► think and and right now that uses google

◼   ► data and presumably they'll switch that

◼   ► out to use the Apple data so so all you

◼   ► know almost all developers you know

◼   ► probably will fall in line with that and

◼   ► if they do that then you know it's sort

◼   ► of like there's so many apps that have a

◼   ► web components to it like are they then

◼   ► going to have to switch over to using

◼   ► google maps on the web because they have

◼   ► no other choice or does Apple offer a

◼   ► web version of it i guess i would guess

◼   ► that apple doesn't have a web version of

◼   ► it though it doesn't seem like an

◼   ► apple-like thing to do but the other

◼   ► thing I was thinking about is what

◼   ► happens when you email somebody

◼   ► directions from you

◼   ► phone Yeah Yeah right like when you do

◼   ► it now it you can use the google map on

◼   ► the phone and say look here's where I'm

◼   ► coming

◼   ► yeah the directions in and there's like

◼   ► a little in action button email this and

◼   ► send them to the Google Maps website so

◼   ► i guess they just hope that you're using

◼   ► a mobile device or an iOS device and you

◼   ► either open it through your iPad or the

◼   ► iphone or maybe they have a picture or

◼   ► something including out it's a real

◼   ► mystery I don't expect them to a website

◼   ► but i wonder how they how you email

◼   ► directions to somebody if they don't

◼   ► it's also said it's interesting idea as

◼   ► well because you know on the web itself

◼   ► google is also in a bit of a vulnerable

◼   ► position there because for some reason

◼   ► which most people still don't really

◼   ► understand google raise their rates a

◼   ► few months ago for your google maps for

◼   ► like high-level customers so for example

◼   ► foursquare switched away from using

◼   ► google maps on their website they still

◼   ► use it in there in the mobile app

◼   ► because it's part of iOS SDK and it's

◼   ► free right but on the web they started

◼   ► jacking up the rates for like big

◼   ► customers and so all those guys moving

◼   ► over to things like open street maps and

◼   ► where they can kind of customize their

◼   ► own maps and so Google is actually

◼   ► vulnerable here and no one really again

◼   ► no one understands why they checked the

◼   ► traits that a lot of money for google

◼   ► and it just seems like a risk that

◼   ► they're taking for no apparent reason

◼   ► but so if Apple words to do web maps of

◼   ► some sort they could get a lot of the

◼   ► bigger developers potentially using them

◼   ► again I don't think it's gonna happen

◼   ► but it's something interesting to think

◼   ► about

◼   ► it's always seemed in Google's priority

◼   ► was collecting data right right so I

◼   ► don't know why they're merging yeah

◼   ► right like why why motivate people that

◼   ► maybe look elsewhere and fit in

◼   ► foursquare is obviously a super high

◼   ► profile example why why give foursquare

◼   ► any reason to change it does seem

◼   ► curious to me and I mean unless it's far

◼   ► more expensive then then I think it is i

◼   ► mean it's it's definitely expensive but

◼   ► it'sit's such you know in the amount of

◼   ► money that they make that they would

◼   ► make from its is gonna be completely

◼   ► negligible to Google's bottom line and

◼   ► so right who cares just do it as a loss

◼   ► leader I mean it's such a valuable

◼   ► service

◼   ► listen they're the leader in this and

◼   ► there you know i i've talked to

◼   ► foursquare but they don't know they

◼   ► don't really know why they decided to

◼   ► change it and and start jacking up these

◼   ► rights no one no one really knows and it

◼   ► just seems on googly it's not you know

◼   ► all the complaints that we you and I

◼   ► have about various aspects of google one

◼   ► is it one thing it i can't imagine ever

◼   ► saying before is that they seemed like

◼   ► they were too hungry for collecting

◼   ► money from people right dad never did it

◼   ► I can't think of any other example of

◼   ► that where they've done something where

◼   ► they seem to favor revenue per user /

◼   ► just getting as many people using their

◼   ► things as possible

◼   ► yeah so I don't know what do you think

◼   ► about you know so it sounds like we know

◼   ► maps are coming

◼   ► seems like facebook as well it's going

◼   ► to be a part of this i know you're not a

◼   ► facebook user at all but now this is a

◼   ► you know this is this is the state.the

◼   ► of the ecosystem right now so many apps

◼   ► use facebook connect to be able to do it

◼   ► and it seems yet I i think if they could

◼   ► get facebook to agreed to terms that

◼   ► Apple considers appropriate privacy wise

◼   ► yep that it's done deal I'd i think so

◼   ► and I think I you know at one thing you

◼   ► have to remember too is that Apple

◼   ► really operates on a yearly schedule

◼   ► they really do things annually they

◼   ► don't roll out a lot of stuff other than

◼   ► bug fixes in you know in between and so

◼   ► a year ago is when they baked in the

◼   ► Twitter star if in the US and it was

◼   ► sort of you know I think it was half

◼   ► because they thought twitter is good and

◼   ► that would be useful for iOS and I think

◼   ► it was half a message to facebook of

◼   ► well we'll show you stop saying to them

◼   ► you know you don't agree to our Terms

◼   ► well these guys are you know they're

◼   ► nipping at your heels so you know one

◼   ► year later I wouldn't be surprised at

◼   ► all if you know I think as a negotiating

◼   ► tactic a one year head start of built-in

◼   ► social integration on iOS you know is

◼   ► enough to maybe get facebook to budge on

◼   ► the terms that they were offering which

◼   ► by all accounts

◼   ► and that you know you i think you and i

◼   ► both have you know pretty high level and

◼   ► info on that it was you know more or

◼   ► less came down to their facebooks bottom

◼   ► line on the terms they wanted from Apple

◼   ► was Apple would not agree to not about

◼   ► money it was about privacy and private

◼   ► chef right so I i wouldn't be surprised

◼   ► at all I I think that's definitely

◼   ► happen i think it's i think it sticks

◼   ► out more now on iOS 5 that there's one

◼   ► and only one third party social

◼   ► integration you know that was like this

◼   ► this section in the settings apps that

◼   ► seems like it would naturally be suited

◼   ► through a couple of them and it's just

◼   ► one I Twitter and you know

◼   ► coincidentally tonight Facebook's like

◼   ► having this last-minute event looks like

◼   ► to launch what they're calling their app

◼   ► center which is which is fascinating

◼   ► because it's uh it's actually leaked out

◼   ► a little bit and it's gone live in their

◼   ► facebook app on their off facebook iOS

◼   ► app even it's basically on the side

◼   ► panel they knew how they have this new

◼   ► area that's called App Center where they

◼   ► basically have their own app store but

◼   ► it's not their app store it's really

◼   ► pointing to mobile apps at least on you

◼   ► know it's kind of I think the idea is to

◼   ► be platform-agnostic so it's on android

◼   ► 2.2 android apps if it's on iOS points

◼   ► iOS apps that the web it can point to a

◼   ► web app but you know this this might

◼   ► come into play with kind of these

◼   ► negotiations as well because you know as

◼   ► we're seeing now Facebook is a pretty

◼   ► important driver for growth for a lot of

◼   ► these apps you know like we had all the

◼   ► video camera apps that were kind of

◼   ► exploding for awhile mainly because of

◼   ► the way that they were using facebook

◼   ► open graph and now you know one of the

◼   ► big complaints

◼   ► that's only going to get louder is about

◼   ► app discovery and apple but chomping you

◼   ► know there are supposedly trying to work

◼   ► on things with that but Facebook can do

◼   ► a pretty good job of it i think just

◼   ► given the social data that they have

◼   ► about what apps your friends are using

◼   ► and so maybe Apple maybe they do

◼   ► something a little bit more with that to

◼   ► to kind of make it as a new discovery

◼   ► layer for apps themselves because all it

◼   ► does is kick you into the app store it's

◼   ► just a new layer on top of it

◼   ► yeah I'd I definitely not an act that

◼   ► harkens all the way back to the original

◼   ► rumors that pain was designed with

◼   ► writing is playing over

◼   ► his right mind and I don't get these

◼   ► recommendations and and find out new

◼   ► music that people you know we're using

◼   ► based on your facebook friendships and

◼   ► connections

◼   ► yeah and so and that may have sunk that

◼   ► ship before it even started

◼   ► you know there are those lines one thing

◼   ► I've noticed i have noticed is recently

◼   ► and it's partly because I don't know if

◼   ► I notice it more because I don't even

◼   ► have a facebook account or if it's just

◼   ► my branding sensitivity but I've noticed

◼   ► more and more as i walk around the city

◼   ► when I see like billboards and

◼   ► advertisements like on the sides of

◼   ► buildings or wherever you can put ads

◼   ► like walking around I see an awful lot

◼   ► of brands that instead of putting their

◼   ► URL you know that it was put facebook

◼   ► yep dot slash their name yep I including

◼   ► one I forget who you didn't even print

◼   ► facebook they just printed the f just

◼   ► that Facebook f / their name

◼   ► yeah and I thought that was that blew me

◼   ► away and they didn't it wasn't next to

◼   ► their URL it was the this is where to go

◼   ► for more information

◼   ► is facebook / brand name yeah i thought

◼   ► the same thing that's a I don't really

◼   ► know what that's all about facebook just

◼   ► as a killer kind of partnership team to

◼   ► be able to to get these guys to do it or

◼   ► if there's some sort of data that

◼   ► they're saying we're just kind of silly

◼   ► now to have your own website when what

◼   ► you really want is kind of data social

◼   ► data that facebook is able to offer up

◼   ► and help you kind of spread the word

◼   ► about messages and stuff right now that

◼   ► you can get them to follow you or like

◼   ► you and then have a ongoing relationship

◼   ► with them rather than one time they

◼   ► visit your site look right one page and

◼   ► whatever they remember they remember but

◼   ► i still think it's very very powerful is

◼   ► a powerful statement of Facebook's

◼   ► influence

◼   ► yeah you know while I have you here

◼   ► because now your new gig your job is

◼   ► really working as a you an angel

◼   ► investor or vc vc vc yeah just doing

◼   ► seed level investments of smaller kind

◼   ► of angel sighs investments in a way but

◼   ► yeah so I want you to explain to me the

◼   ► facebook IPO picture

◼   ► here's what I'd I don't understand why

◼   ► it's being called a disaster

◼   ► I don't understand it seems to me like

◼   ► it must it's gone down so that's not

◼   ► good but it seems to me like it was

◼   ► mostly at least on day one it was priced

◼   ► kind of right because this is my very

◼   ► very lame and I I this is so out outside

◼   ► my wheelhouse that maybe I'm just

◼   ► totally off base is that it was like

◼   ► what was it 30 $38 or 32 years that's

◼   ► the way over 38 somebody but it seemed

◼   ► to me like it if you were on the inside

◼   ► you got it you know if you there is one

◼   ► of the banks that was doing the IPO you

◼   ► you got it 38 bucks and if you jumped on

◼   ► it right when the bell rang if you can

◼   ► get your trade-in then you are getting

◼   ► it at the same price that seems fair to

◼   ► me

◼   ► yep yeah its own people want people

◼   ► wanted to double that seems to me like

◼   ► you're saying that it's cooked in favor

◼   ► of the banks who got it at the price

◼   ► before it doubled yes that's it that's

◼   ► exactly right i mean my my take on it is

◼   ► is exactly pretty much what you said

◼   ► that this you know that the perception

◼   ► of it is not the reality the reality is

◼   ► that Facebook made as much money as

◼   ► possible as they could have off of an

◼   ► IPO and say you know say they had priced

◼   ► it at 15 or something and then you know

◼   ► it opened at 35 that would have been it

◼   ► wow you know everyone's like wow there's

◼   ► so much demand for that this these

◼   ► facebook shares whatever but Facebook

◼   ► would have made actually half the money

◼   ► because they would have only sold you

◼   ► know half and half as much half uh for

◼   ► what they could have uh basically and so

◼   ► Facebook came out very well from this

◼   ► and and you know I think that they're

◼   ► all looking at this right now and they

◼   ► just don't care i mean they had to go

◼   ► public it was kind of an annoying thing

◼   ► for them to do for a while you know they

◼   ► kind of rallied around rallied around at

◼   ► the end and they did raise you know it

◼   ► something like 16 billion dollars as a

◼   ► result of it but they did as well as

◼   ► they possibly could

◼   ► it's a it's a loss really for you know

◼   ► the people who are looking to get a what

◼   ► typically happens at least with tech

◼   ► stocks you know where its there's a pop