The Talk Show

◼   ► big upset last night right wait on me

◼   ► what the hand big win last night right

◼   ► what who the yanks yea big win

◼   ► yeah did you hear about Jeter the season

◼   ► ii he's turning 37 and he's still

◼   ► killing it and yeah he is batting

◼   ► average what with 341 batting average he

◼   ► kidding me that's currently the

◼   ► ninth-best average this season job for

◼   ► pretty good case I mean my god i just

◼   ► put myself to sleep i mean i like the

◼   ► way that you you predicted the homework

◼   ► you needed to do before appearing on the

◼   ► show it

◼   ► yeah as I asked JP who works with me i

◼   ► asked the the right-hand man JP to give

◼   ► me some baseball my period that actually

◼   ► was pretty good

◼   ► ok good so now we're done with that

◼   ► we're down with that everybody can come

◼   ► back

◼   ► what's new with you nothing that's love

◼   ► week

◼   ► yeah all right well then I'm sure we can

◼   ► find something to talk about

◼   ► it's been really slow week but a good

◼   ► slow week right LOL not at all stressful

◼   ► a little stressful controversy pre very

◼   ► quiet on on the Twitter to it must be a

◼   ► nightmare could keep up with your

◼   ► Twitter your Twitter conversation your

◼   ► stream do you even bother now usually do

◼   ► you get the toe or do you just obsessed

◼   ► you do you do you dive right in and

◼   ► spend six hours usually doesn't take six

◼   ► hours but sometimes the heads

◼   ► yeah are responsive have you been to

◼   ► this last this last round of carefully

◼   ► I've been as I think a lot of people

◼   ► have observed utterly unresponsive

◼   ► whoo-hoo well I mean but in bye-bye

◼   ► design our depth definitely but pop

◼   ► probably slightly by mistake I talk to

◼   ► me

◼   ► well I last week's show I very

◼   ► deliberate and I just didn't want to put

◼   ► gold multi on the spot and I felt like

◼   ► that was a lot to ask to sort of face

◼   ► the unpleasantness and it and address it

◼   ► so we didn't completely ignored there is

◼   ► a little bit of banter at the beginning

◼   ► about being new at this and doing things

◼   ► differently but for the most part we

◼   ► just pretended like the the great

◼   ► unpleasantness wasn't there and that was

◼   ► my idea and I just didn't want to put

◼   ► notes on the spot and you know and then

◼   ► I thought you know what that's not right

◼   ► though in a way I think it I think it

◼   ► ended up playing very poorly because my

◼   ► take on his I i'm not going to explain

◼   ► everything but I whatever i am going to

◼   ► explain is going to be completely honest

◼   ► and I in a sense ignoring that elephant

◼   ► in the room is a form of dishonesty

◼   ► so then I thought to myself well who can

◼   ► I put on the spot and make extremely

◼   ► uncomfortable believe i am doing the

◼   ► thing with my shirt collar right now

◼   ► exactly and I don't of course I thought

◼   ► of you and no one else i don't i don't

◼   ► mind at all

◼   ► let's have it out let's let's come to

◼   ► some-some epiphanies let's cry a little

◼   ► we can just or not you know you can just

◼   ► you can come clean or it and if you want

◼   ► to you can just air grievances if there

◼   ► are no I wouldn't do that Donaire

◼   ► grievances I picked up a new hobby

◼   ► recently what's that drinking I just

◼   ► can't tell you how if you already

◼   ► ok alright in preparation because he

◼   ► knew you were going to be as to

◼   ► unleashing some stuff some good i said

◼   ► you know i will tell you i will tell you

◼   ► the truth the truth is but in that

◼   ► regard I I we're recording Harris is a

◼   ► wednesday the 23rd as we record 2 p.m.

◼   ► my time East Coast 11am your your time

◼   ► west coast and 15 minutes ago in mice

◼   ► copious show prep wanted to get a big

◼   ► glass of of water and

◼   ► was thinking now about what we're going

◼   ► to say what we're going to talk about

◼   ► and I got halfway through making a

◼   ► martini I actually filled the shaker

◼   ► with ice right i should say halfway but

◼   ► I feel the shaker with ice and before I

◼   ► realize what I was doing a given problem

◼   ► i don't know why but you know we can do

◼   ► we can talk about it we shall we should

◼   ► talk about it we should remember that I

◼   ► don't mean to make jokes and be joking

◼   ► and try to be funny but ok I think

◼   ► there's some things to talk about their

◼   ► right and I'd feel like you know you

◼   ► can't the show can't go on by pretending

◼   ► that it didn't happen right

◼   ► alright so now that it's it's it's a new

◼   ► it's a new venture it's a new show that

◼   ► what is the idea are you going to have

◼   ► is it going to be you on Mike with a

◼   ► different co-host for every episode or

◼   ► do you have you planned that far in

◼   ► advance hit you know I haven't planned

◼   ► that far in advance

◼   ► obviously it's not going to be John

◼   ► Smoltz every week I so I don't know for

◼   ► now my my idea is I have a whole list of

◼   ► people who i would like to have on just

◼   ► with me I haven't asked all of them and

◼   ► I've had some of them but it's at least

◼   ► in a couple of weeks of chock-full of

◼   ► brand-new people who I could sit here

◼   ► and talk to for an hour

◼   ► yeah absolutely and I'm going to be

◼   ► great i have not asked him yet

◼   ► this is the first the public but just as

◼   ► an idea haven't asked him I hope he says

◼   ► yes I think it could be great terrific

◼   ► fun would be me and paul thurrott oh I

◼   ► don't know pull the THU rotc t is often

◼   ► mentioned on Darren parable you don't

◼   ► know where you never heard of and daring

◼   ► fireball this is this is TV show

◼   ► whoops no hay fall I'm just kidding see

◼   ► this is get this is this is fun because

◼   ► this is going to be largely I think you

◼   ► took teaching me about things that I

◼   ► should know as a guest on your show

◼   ► you'll be mentioning names and products

◼   ► and things and over and they'll just

◼   ► completely over my head but i'll pretend

◼   ► i know now I I should just pretend that

◼   ► I

◼   ► what you're talking about now that's

◼   ► Paul Paul would be great

◼   ► you and Paul would have a other great

◼   ► dynamic um you know I would like this to

◼   ► hear on on the show I was I would love

◼   ► to hear suggestions i was i think that

◼   ► you and lob would be great i'll already

◼   ► on the list go good at Michael op of of

◼   ► Rands and repose fit came you know but

◼   ► the common thread of the show is that

◼   ► you are on every episode correct i guess

◼   ► so consistent a hundred I yeah i believe

◼   ► so very good so it's just it's group its

◼   ► Gruber yeah and and future of bold all

◼   ► caps widely spaced right all right so

◼   ► it's the Great's the groomer show there

◼   ► it's just Gruber would you call your

◼   ► show Gruber in theory yeah I feel like a

◼   ► lot of people just know us group like

◼   ► dearie Gruber it's not even daring

◼   ► fireball honest so it's so did you read

◼   ► you see what was on gruber not bad did

◼   ► you did you google this week

◼   ► oh yeah I'm Gregory was talking about

◼   ► grouping it might be that might add that

◼   ► in theory i guide that that's not a that

◼   ► doesn't strike me as a bad idea right

◼   ► off the top of the head

◼   ► I my only thing about that is i'm not

◼   ► sure though that it would that people

◼   ► are already saying that about what I do

◼   ► a daring fireball but what do you mean

◼   ► like to well that when people people

◼   ► might say like if if you work in an

◼   ► office doing the sort of things where

◼   ► it's possible that multiple people you

◼   ► work with three daring fireball like

◼   ► maybe you make iOS apps or websites or

◼   ► something like that that somebody when

◼   ► they're referencing something on daring

◼   ► fireball might just say exactly what you

◼   ► said hey Yuri Gruber today right

◼   ► notice we can say and if this but if a

◼   ► show is called Gruber it would be

◼   ► ambiguous whether it was the show or

◼   ► daring fireball would it and as I don't

◼   ► think i don't know i think it's a pretty

◼   ► strong brand but was your idea you asked

◼   ► an email you had an idea for a possible

◼   ► show title

◼   ► oh yeah no I i suggest well just as an

◼   ► example but bad

◼   ► when I suggested I think picking boogers

◼   ► with John right and you said that even

◼   ► that would be successful

◼   ► yea even that because you know well what

◼   ► is the talk show it say about that

◼   ► I always wanted to be honest when and

◼   ► the talkshow had a I've told you this

◼   ► before i had a big impact on me from the

◼   ► very beginning

◼   ► stylistically influenced the way I

◼   ► wanted you know you look nice today

◼   ► sound and I just thought it was a

◼   ► beautifully babe you know beautifully

◼   ► devised podcast was on it unlike

◼   ► anything but what but I I thought to

◼   ► myself at the time why the hell is it

◼   ► called the time I mean yeah it's

◼   ► beautifully simple and everything like

◼   ► that but what may be a little bit more

◼   ► specificity or maybe a little bit more

◼   ► of a of an anchor and you know I feel

◼   ► like now with this isn't with this

◼   ► opportunity what you why not do a little

◼   ► bit of a rethink on it

◼   ► well that's one way I could have gone i

◼   ► might take those that i came up with the

◼   ► name I art-directed the great Greg story

◼   ► of airbag industries Fame now now at

◼   ► happy cog for the original branding and

◼   ► visual design of everything from the

◼   ► original run right there's two runs of

◼   ► the talk show this is effectively were

◼   ► this is talk-show 344 as Apple would

◼   ► call the new talk show haha that the

◼   ► first run

◼   ► we'll just talk show because they don't

◼   ► put the anything right busy that's the

◼   ► opposite with the talk show where I

◼   ► always want that i paid extra money for

◼   ► the okay with it but it was worth it

◼   ► so the first one was me and dan from I

◼   ► believe summer I could be wrong by a

◼   ► year here summer of two thousand seven

◼   ► through the end of 2008 no network i

◼   ► always had the idea of of trying to make

◼   ► it into a some sort of money making

◼   ► thing getting some sponsors and i think

◼   ► i actually don't even remember specific

◼   ► i think occasionally we found a sponsor

◼   ► or two but it was it was sort of like

◼   ► trying

◼   ► light fire with wet matches just never

◼   ► took off and ultimately I think that's

◼   ► sort of what led to the demise of the

◼   ► show where it went from being pretty

◼   ► consistently weekly to a couple of times

◼   ► a month and then very very quickly after

◼   ► you after you lose that regular

◼   ► scheduled very quickly spotted out to

◼   ► all of a sudden there's two months

◼   ► between episodes and and it was done

◼   ► oh yeah I and you know that you know

◼   ► very well it is very very hard to to

◼   ► keep that going

◼   ► yeah it's like work it's like it's like

◼   ► it's like exercises like once when she

◼   ► stopped it just feels so much better not

◼   ► to do it right do you find that you guys

◼   ► have have have reinvigorated you guys

◼   ► never you guys are like a band that

◼   ► never broke up but there was sort of a

◼   ► hiatus with you look nice today but you

◼   ► guys have have come back i believe

◼   ► starting three months ago ya think we've

◼   ► put out three episodes now and you've

◼   ► got a new schedule where it's going to

◼   ► be on the second of every month

◼   ► let's try dropping it on the deuce it's

◼   ► just about managing expectations though

◼   ► but it was as if that was a simpson ism

◼   ► of course all right is that the bed is

◼   ► that why you picked the second of the

◼   ► market third they don't have I don't

◼   ► think so I don't think so it's just so

◼   ► it just means you know being on a call

◼   ► recording like we do and then everybody

◼   ► sipping a little bit of something and

◼   ► then and then Merlin says we should put

◼   ► it out on the second of every month and

◼   ► and Scott goes yeah the deuce the deuce

◼   ► would drop it on the deuce

◼   ► what are you going to do in February

◼   ► when there is no second of the month

◼   ► well you speak are you talking crazy

◼   ► right now doesn't that pepperoni has one

◼   ► day

◼   ► for a second i had it is like I had to

◼   ► go back through my elementary school

◼   ► education and think about whether you're

◼   ► correct except in leap years in leap

◼   ► years yet accepted except in would be

◼   ► leap years that fall on the Millennium

◼   ► in which case you start on februari

◼   ► third right so socially we only do 11

◼   ► per year right you worry about that when

◼   ► you come to yeah that's like that's like

◼   ► four years away right

◼   ► what did you do the monthly thing is you

◼   ► think it's gonna work out i think it

◼   ► will

◼   ► it's hard though it is alright well you

◼   ► know to do anything

◼   ► well you got to do with 10,000 times and

◼   ► we're not even close

◼   ► so if you you know but I everybody but i

◼   ► find this in my own my own work my

◼   ► professional thing if i'm doing if i get

◼   ► to do like let's say four projects in a

◼   ► month than by the fourth 1 i'm cooking

◼   ► with cooking with gas as they say but if

◼   ► then I you know and I go with a month in

◼   ► between to the next one that I'm just

◼   ► like I'm trying I'm having to relearn

◼   ► everything and why don't my muscles in

◼   ► the podcast thing or not that strong to

◼   ► begin with I feel like Merlin Scoggins

◼   ► pick it up and and run but mine my voice

◼   ► gets weak very very quickly

◼   ► yeah so it would suit the show better if

◼   ► we could actually find a way to to

◼   ► record on a weekly basis but my nerves

◼   ► just can't handle it but how can i have

◼   ► some sort of schedule though is

◼   ► essential

◼   ► I really do yeah i mean i don't i mean

◼   ► maybe there's some sure there's always

◼   ► an exception and there's somebody out

◼   ► there with a popular and long-running

◼   ► podcast with a very inconsistent

◼   ► schedule but I I could never do that

◼   ► you got a minute gotta be pretty regular

◼   ► whether you're going to say weekly or

◼   ► bi-weekly or monthly or something so do

◼   ► you do you get nerves when you're

◼   ► getting on my queen you when you hit

◼   ► recording go do you feel like that d

◼   ► Philip tremendous amount of pressure to

◼   ► record and an hour to two hours of like

◼   ► quality material

◼   ► yes definitely and without question

◼   ► much more so all of a sudden

◼   ► hey well it's now it's more your thing

◼   ► right a little bit right well writer you

◼   ► could consider yourself the the host

◼   ► rather than the co-host right and the

◼   ► whole thing is my responsibility

◼   ► there's no I can absolutely feel the

◼   ► pressure yeah well I feel the pressure

◼   ► every day when i write on daring

◼   ► fireball I mean it's you know it i can't

◼   ► quite say I mean I often try to think

◼   ► about it this way and it freaked me out

◼   ► but if I thought that all the people who

◼   ► read daring fireball they were in an

◼   ► arena and the truth is at this point it

◼   ► would actually take some sort of arena

◼   ► sized facility to fit them all in there

◼   ► at once on one day and it doesn't really

◼   ► feel like that because you know i'm

◼   ► actually in like the same office i'm

◼   ► using the same keyboard and actually

◼   ► even the same monitor from when i

◼   ► launched the thing and like was excited

◼   ► and nervous and palms sweaty the first

◼   ► day that I had over a hundred page views

◼   ► like so the interface that I see while

◼   ► posting looks exactly the same so like

◼   ► if you're in a band and you start

◼   ► playing in a bar to a hundred people and

◼   ► that's kind of cool and then you grow

◼   ► and you're successful and successful

◼   ► when you start playing bigger and bigger

◼   ► venues you see it and it's palpable and

◼   ► everything he not just you know you hear

◼   ► the audience and it's louder and the

◼   ► acoustics are different you have a

◼   ► successful website that you're right it

◼   ► just looks exactly the same as the

◼   ► audience grows so that definitely keeps

◼   ► the nerves down a little bit but yeah

◼   ► but I realized like I fully realized

◼   ► that if I were to something I've never

◼   ► done but if i were to say take a week

◼   ► off and do like what cocky doesn't just

◼   ► turn the keys over to somebody

◼   ► mom I think you in fact were the first

◼   ► person he ever did that with i wasn't i

◼   ► was the second you were the second yeah

◼   ► I i actually like I applied to be the

◼   ► first one and and he skipped over me it

◼   ► and pick somebody else and then you know

◼   ► and I was pretty crushed about it but

◼   ► whatever it was it was it was a long

◼   ► tango and I forgive and then you know

◼   ► few weeks maybe a couple months later

◼   ► actually he he went on vacation again

◼   ► and

◼   ► but me and said hey how would you like

◼   ► another chance and now I felt great i

◼   ► took a week off of work to do it but

◼   ► that was probably super nerve-wracking

◼   ► for you

◼   ► oh my god it was the most stressful

◼   ► thing I've ever done in my life up to

◼   ► that point for sure what to do too

◼   ► because his audience is revered yeah i

◼   ► mean i mean is his audiences Reverend

◼   ► that they Revere of cocky and and so to

◼   ► to be handed those keys

◼   ► you know it's a big big set of keys

◼   ► right Jan one giant novelty key right

◼   ► and it's a compare and contrast with

◼   ► another big like a site like boy which

◼   ► probably adds more readers than then

◼   ► daring fireball and combined wire

◼   ► ah is always it always has been a

◼   ► collaborative blog with no singular

◼   ► voice right and all and in fact almost

◼   ► deliberately a sort of widely varying

◼   ► voices of the various contributors and

◼   ► editors so if somebody i I've still be

◼   ► nerve-wracking and nervous too right

◼   ► before a large audience but you feel

◼   ► like you know you're not eat i think

◼   ► would be easier because you could just

◼   ► be yourself and boiling readers are used

◼   ► to New byline showing up sugar varying

◼   ► styles whereas you step step up to the

◼   ► mic aqui dot org and you're supposed to

◼   ► be writing and sounding and appealing to

◼   ► the exact same you right there's one

◼   ► single spotlight on you and if you put

◼   ► if you're writing for boy and then

◼   ► you're in a kind of a bizarre

◼   ► environment like with which is brightly

◼   ► lit and people are shouting from all

◼   ► direction right

◼   ► are you nervous to appear here on the

◼   ► show with me almost definitely no more

◼   ► nervous because it's like high-profile

◼   ► because this is episode two of the the

◼   ► reboot could be you know i don't i know

◼   ► i'm i think I'm more nervous than you

◼   ► know I which is unusual and I you like

◼   ► the next time you'll be back right

◼   ► you'll be back next time

◼   ► next I hope so it goes well I'll be back

◼   ► we did I I mean I i I'm I'm friends with

◼   ► dan and I na and I respect him and what

◼   ► he's created everything and and um I'm

◼   ► sad that you know the

◼   ► for how things have developed but I'm

◼   ► good friends with you and I really have

◼   ► always enjoyed conversation with you

◼   ► it's just something that's a part of you

◼   ► know it's on the list of one of the best

◼   ► things of that i have in my life so that

◼   ► that opportunity I would not pass that

◼   ► up for any reason

◼   ► um which is I I i suspect why your show

◼   ► will continue to thrive because you're

◼   ► interesting you're good at conversation

◼   ► already

◼   ► I really like listening to and it i

◼   ► really like you

◼   ► your thoughts i think a lot of people do

◼   ► a lot of people just read you and listen

◼   ► to you because you're thoughtful about

◼   ► things and so putting a really

◼   ► thoughtful person in conversation with

◼   ► with anybody who he feels like talking

◼   ► to is going to be entertainment and

◼   ► entertaining um hopefully so why mean

◼   ► like did you did you feel any need to

◼   ► reconfigure the format at all in the new

◼   ► in the new venture

◼   ► well I think obviously some of that is

◼   ► inevitable because you know Dan's on-air

◼   ► job was definitely to organize the

◼   ► structure of the show I to keep things

◼   ► moving to pick spots to jump in with

◼   ► sponsor reads and he asked me far more

◼   ► questions than I asked him right so

◼   ► obviously it has to change

◼   ► you know one of the things that I want

◼   ► people to know when they come on the

◼   ► show you know I know my description of

◼   ► and I think it always has been in and

◼   ► you know from the outset is that in some

◼   ► sense it's still largely the the

◼   ► equivalent of the directors commentary

◼   ► on daring fireball it works yay let's

◼   ► talk about all that stuff but if you

◼   ► want you have more questions about the

◼   ► the show moving

◼   ► I mean your own your question was but

◼   ► you and I feel like we should talk

◼   ► because I feel like this is the

◼   ► controversy the controversy is why did I

◼   ► take the show in the name right right

◼   ► that's what you wanted

◼   ► you want to be nice about it and you

◼   ► don't want to you don't want to put your

◼   ► finger on the scab

◼   ► no because you hang up on me now I want

◼   ► I you know and Karen and in terms of my

◼   ► ability as a host here's the the most

◼   ► helpful review on iTunes of of the talk

◼   ► show this talk show unfocused

◼   ► uninteresting and unlistenable one star

◼   ► by the number number number it's sort of

◼   ► like the guy from his podcast sucks

◼   ► humbert humbert how you like it cousin

◼   ► from from lolita yeah I'm sure you

◼   ► listen off this is very different from

◼   ► the pop talk show of the past which

◼   ► always had an Benjamin serving to keep

◼   ► the podcast focused people didn't tune

◼   ► in just to listen to john gruber ramble

◼   ► about a million unrelated topics they

◼   ► turned into listen to a podcast that had

◼   ► at least some semblance of order the

◼   ► talk show with Dan Benjamin was already

◼   ► one of the less focus podcasts on five

◼   ► by five or download prepare list of

◼   ► topics and show notes beforehand and

◼   ► Gruber just showed up on a bad

◼   ► connection and mumbled his comments to

◼   ► some of the topics while clearing his

◼   ► throat or snorting dampen or Dan

◼   ► Benjamin was half of the talk show since

◼   ► its inception and the new show has an

◼   ► entirely different dynamic the new show

◼   ► is John Gruber unhinged John Gruber

◼   ► talking to himself jumping from

◼   ► unrelated topic to topic it is unfocused

◼   ► to the hilt and embarrassing to listen

◼   ► to so yeah I guess you're right banning

◼   ► people i think people do think i'm doing

◼   ► a good job

◼   ► well you know there's that means you're

◼   ► doing something right if you give you

◼   ► get someone stars on there and you know

◼   ► what who needs him who need them you

◼   ► know why I was curious about like after

◼   ► the first show came out last week I did

◼   ► a little you know mention search on

◼   ► Twitter and my favorite one that i came

◼   ► across was from I think like a teenage

◼   ► british kid and he just said ruber your

◼   ► new show is bad and you should feel bad

◼   ► i should have read that when I would

◼   ► have taken less time it's pretty good i

◼   ► will tell you what everybody out there i

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◼   ► called most helpful

◼   ► most helpful reviews on itunes of let's

◼   ► imagine that it's a good segment um my

◼   ► favorite like this line from last week's

◼   ► episode was when you guys were talking

◼   ► about the mat connection lady you would

◼   ► describe as you're describing how they

◼   ► might have arranged the picture and and

◼   ► your voice you gave voice for the team

◼   ► and they end your voice was just a Sally

◼   ► mind if we take a picture but it was

◼   ► very letter many of Letterman of you you

◼   ► know what and adds an important thing

◼   ► I'm so glad you mentioned that because

◼   ► this is an absolutely i mean it just

◼   ► shows I quite frankly just how poorly

◼   ► i'm doing with this new show is is that

◼   ► we made a grievous error was not mad

◼   ► connection it was Mac warehouse

◼   ► well same diff I you want the the

◼   ► instant messenger at the moment I'm not

◼   ► can can you be

◼   ► is it easy yes sure i will send you I

◼   ► have the picture you remember this

◼   ► picture I I don't know and it's hard to

◼   ► tell because you're pretty young

◼   ► oh no I I definitely like my dad

◼   ► subscribe to those catalogs and and I

◼   ► definitely poured through them right

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◼   ► want maybe if you do Mac warehouse cover

◼   ► babe idea and I I'm knot no it didn't

◼   ► show up

◼   ► damn it i just want to give you this you

◼   ► are out on flickr that's just the name

◼   ► of the the flickr page i did I wasn't

◼   ► calling her babe

◼   ► alright how about Mac warehouse cover

◼   ► lady see if that works

◼   ► google it I'll email it to you I don't

◼   ► remember to gotten there by now you have

◼   ► email on this computer

◼   ► all right they do right on

◼   ► alright check your email and there she

◼   ► is all my god I always pictured her name

◼   ► is like danica or something that she's

◼   ► very Swedish looking right center but

◼   ► it's exactly like molten I talked about

◼   ► there's something about her with it

◼   ► maybe it's clipart maybe she was a model

◼   ► brought in to pose for the picture and

◼   ► maybe she really was answering the phone

◼   ► and they were like you will take a

◼   ► picture of you

◼   ► I think that she probably worked there

◼   ► that I don't think they have the

◼   ► sophistication to come in because you

◼   ► can see there's there's obviously like a

◼   ► system

◼   ► yeah what is what OS is that system 6 or

◼   ► something on now but that photoshop

◼   ► wouldn't have been able to do that now

◼   ► that is far too sophisticated with it

◼   ► she's and she's very attractive but has

◼   ► thin lips like her the earth their lips

◼   ► are too thin to be a model right and

◼   ► she's got like those nineties eyebrows

◼   ► peeking through the church bangs that

◼   ► she's she's so 1989 it is unbelievable i

◼   ► love it i would go to homecoming with

◼   ► her I really can't believe that I like

◼   ► Miss conflated Mac warehouse with matt

◼   ► connection that's why I'm a connection

◼   ► was inferior they didn't have the the

◼   ► lady since they have a lady now you know

◼   ► what I would love to have her on the

◼   ► talk show that would be a big get if you

◼   ► could find out who she is

◼   ► yeah that would be fantastic anybody out

◼   ► there listening can find out who she is

◼   ► and I mean I don't know that we could do

◼   ► a whole hour but maybe we could but we

◼   ► could certainly do a good segment I'm

◼   ► going to say she's like maybe 26 in this

◼   ► picture so which would which would make

◼   ► her you know in a little late forties by

◼   ► now right

◼   ► I would say so great so what what things

◼   ► you want to talk about other than other

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◼   ► there any apple so if you want to talk

◼   ► about definitely maybe I should do

◼   ► maybe I should do the first sponsor read

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◼   ► into it just like a little more back you

◼   ► know just to let it breathe a little bit

◼   ► you're saying I should have it up a

◼   ► little bit

◼   ► dammit alright I'm marginally sound not

◼   ► supposed to sound like John Gruber being

◼   ► his droll usual self talking

◼   ► extemporaneous Lee no I'm going to

◼   ► longer reason I shall I should have it

◼   ► up a little bit but we want to believe

◼   ► that you believe what you're saying and

◼   ► I know you do because you wouldn't you

◼   ► wouldn't take sponsorships that you

◼   ► didn't think we're cool right

◼   ► ok well i think about it better work out

◼   ► it got to do it i gotta get 10,000 of

◼   ► practice in front of the mirror right

◼   ► trail is right let's get the the

◼   ► talkshow meta discussion out-of-the-way

◼   ► long story short it was a business

◼   ► disagreement long-standing and

◼   ► significant

◼   ► dan the co-host is obviously very

◼   ► popular and extremely talented is

◼   ► extremely good at what he does and I'm

◼   ► super proud of the work we did together

◼   ► and I think we had some lots of good

◼   ► shows in some some great shows

◼   ► dan the owner of a podcast network i

◼   ► have long-standing disagreements with

◼   ► came to an end

◼   ► why did I take the talk show with me

◼   ► because I love it and I felt like if I

◼   ► felt like my choices were reduced to i

◼   ► dunno show I go elsewhere do a new show

◼   ► go elsewhere and do the talk show

◼   ► I didn't want to do know show and I felt

◼   ► if I went elsewhere and did a new show i

◼   ► would be leaving my beloved talk show

◼   ► behind at five by five and I don't think

◼   ► Dan would have kept doing the talk show

◼   ► with without me but that's where it

◼   ► would have SAT dormant and I just

◼   ► couldn't bear it right well you could

◼   ► well first of all yet that business bad

◼   ► business comes between and i don't mean

◼   ► bad as in nefarious but disagreements in

◼   ► business come between good friends all

◼   ► the time and it sucks when it happens

◼   ► but it's it's a legitimate legitimate

◼   ► reason and then you there there could

◼   ► have been measures put in place to you

◼   ► know 2222 agree that if the talk shows

◼   ► left behind then then it's then it then

◼   ► it you know ceases to be so I don't

◼   ► think they're there would have been a

◼   ► worry of then taking it over and

◼   ► exploiting the name now my worry wasn't

◼   ► better be taken over and Exploited my

◼   ► worry was

◼   ► this to see something that i view as my

◼   ► second most beloved child creation left

◼   ► in what is considered a bad spot right

◼   ► right well do so so that you you I I

◼   ► understand it's interesting that you put

◼   ► in if you frame it like that as a as a

◼   ► birth as a child but i honestly think

◼   ► that you gave birth to something other

◼   ► than something big

◼   ► other than just what it was called um

◼   ► and I think you you don't you definitely

◼   ► did you you made it you made a big

◼   ► statement by taking the name with you

◼   ► and and that that statement has been

◼   ► made and and now it's it's it's yours

◼   ► it's like you it you can do what you

◼   ► want with it including renaming it now I

◼   ► don't want I mean like you know you've

◼   ► said you've said repeatedly I'll think

◼   ► about it like that's food for thought

◼   ► and i think i have a feeling that you're

◼   ► gonna you're gonna you're gonna keep

◼   ► doing exactly what you're doing which is

◼   ► that which is absolutely also that's

◼   ► what you should do but I but I'm

◼   ► speaking for myself as a fan when I say

◼   ► what you've created is going to live on

◼   ► no matter what it's called

◼   ► even if it's called pickin boogers with

◼   ► John which I think it should be still

◼   ► your baby 1 star I mac stuff that's

◼   ► talking about the big week i think was

◼   ► about two weeks ago a little bit less

◼   ► than two weeks ago I wrote a thing about

◼   ► that called ios6 low-hanging fruit

◼   ► trying to predict what Apple might be

◼   ► doing next in an iOS right and I here

◼   ► being that that that the phone could

◼   ► seem to the casual observer to be

◼   ► feature complete very very close to it

◼   ► well that it used to be the first few

◼   ► years they that it was kind of easy to

◼   ► make predictions about what they would

◼   ► do next because there were some glaring

◼   ► omissions and one

◼   ► and I want to talk about this with you

◼   ► is that one of the first times I can

◼   ► recall on seeing something that you had

◼   ► done online was back and I think with

◼   ► 2008 it was early definitely when you

◼   ► did a you did a concept video on how

◼   ► copy and paste might work on the iphone

◼   ► right which is interesting in a few ways

◼   ► because one that whole hate let me just

◼   ► show you here's my UI idea and i'm going

◼   ► to put a concept video on YouTube or

◼   ► Vimeo or one of these things you early

◼   ► on that that was like a new thing at the

◼   ► time and number two

◼   ► eventually they did ad copy and paste

◼   ► and yours was kind of a sensation got

◼   ► picked up everywhere everybody I'm

◼   ► bukkake linked it i'm sure i don't can

◼   ► hope I like to know now and we've never

◼   ► talked about this huh

◼   ► now you know it killed me it killed me

◼   ► that you did what you did was he wrote a

◼   ► piece the next day he wrote a piece on

◼   ► daring fireball about why you didn't

◼   ► think that apple would put copy and

◼   ► pasting in the iOS in will in like

◼   ► anytime soon and and 44 like front for a

◼   ► week without knowing you for a week I

◼   ► just hated you but I kept reading and

◼   ► then we and eventually we got we got we

◼   ► were at each other and got to be friends

◼   ► when did they add when did they end up

◼   ► adding copy and paste it wasn't until

◼   ► the second version of the OS right so it

◼   ► was 2008 well the phone came out 2007

◼   ► that's when I made the video i think in

◼   ► like december something again you know I

◼   ► might have been another year it were

◼   ► when with when did they release the next

◼   ► the next phone I June June of 2008 so

◼   ► might have been June I'm but ya mind

◼   ► mind mind was an interesting idea with

◼   ► two finger taps but it you know they

◼   ► didn't they didn't end up doing that but

◼   ► um well it's funny how you like your

◼   ► your your video I i love the idea but I

◼   ► feel like your idea and i'll link to it

◼   ► in the show notes people can go and

◼   ► watch your original concept video which

◼   ► was also

◼   ► very funny thank you and it's only funny

◼   ► are in hindsight as your online persona

◼   ► has become more established and and

◼   ► widely known like at the time it is very

◼   ► consistent with the atom Lisa right now

◼   ► but at the time I didn't know Adam Lisa

◼   ► gore and I'm not going to spoil anything

◼   ► but the way that it ends so this is it

◼   ► just seems so absurd and right yeah

◼   ► certain letter yet but that's my dumb

◼   ► voice my dummy or voice behind bob bob

◼   ► borchers I guess right your idea that

◼   ► was largely and I don't it's kinda hard

◼   ► to explain but it it was just your base

◼   ► mostly it was let's take the loop which

◼   ► was already in ios4 placing the

◼   ► insertion point and as you're dragging

◼   ► that around to figure out where you want

◼   ► to start a copy our selection to copy

◼   ► and paste you could add a second finger

◼   ► to the screen which would put you in a

◼   ► different mode right at which point you

◼   ► would just drag your finger like a

◼   ► highlighter to make the selection and

◼   ► and then cut correct yeah and then when

◼   ► you wanted to paste you would place the

◼   ► insertion point with one finger then

◼   ► still holding that first finger on

◼   ► screen add a second finger which would

◼   ► bring up a little dialog box with your

◼   ► last few clipboards and then you could

◼   ► tap one of those to paste right so the

◼   ► problem with it and a reason Apple went

◼   ► with something different is that it's

◼   ► not visual right it's something that it

◼   ► that you would have to know before yeah

◼   ► it's not discoverable at all right here

◼   ► and there are things in iOS that are

◼   ► like that but they are either always or

◼   ► ideally always but if not always almost

◼   ► always short cuts to things that there

◼   ► is a visual way to do that if you can't

◼   ► see it it might as well not be there so

◼   ► that's why you know the actual

◼   ► implementation of copy and paste is very

◼   ► visual

◼   ► it's this right there in your face

◼   ► little pop-up thing that that makes

◼   ► these options explicit yeah but

◼   ► seriously it was well done

◼   ► I'm sorry it is

◼   ► thank you you know it's alright it all

◼   ► worked out and speaking of highlight

◼   ► highlight working like a highlighter

◼   ► isn't the highlighter in ibooks just the

◼   ► most delightful you I think that exists

◼   ► yeah except i invoke it accidentally too

◼   ► often i do you really yeah I I don't

◼   ► know but it's happening less than less

◼   ► so I feel like I'm I'm getting used to

◼   ► it

◼   ► I haven't figured out how to not

◼   ► successfully on the highlight stuff i

◼   ► guess so in that way it's very much like

◼   ► a real skeuomorphic highlighter do you

◼   ► do this

◼   ► i-i've i know i've spoken to quit then

◼   ► formerly of New York Times and now he

◼   ► does Mixel really cool collage

◼   ► collaborative ipad app and coins even

◼   ► written about it but the New York Times

◼   ► added a thing

◼   ► a while back it's like a javascript

◼   ► thing where as soon as you selected a

◼   ► word on a webpage on the new york times

◼   ► it would pop up a dictionary definition

◼   ► of the word right there

◼   ► mhm which is stupid right because it

◼   ► breaks something that people know how to

◼   ► do so you just double click on a word to

◼   ► select it and all of a sudden it was a

◼   ► double click not selecting orders like

◼   ► if you double click on a word it would

◼   ► make a definition will double-click

◼   ► already has a meaning it just means i

◼   ► want to select this but the reason it

◼   ► was especially problematic for me is

◼   ► that while I'm reading an article I

◼   ► didn't even really know that i had this

◼   ► habit but I I just sit there and play

◼   ► with the mouse and like select words and

◼   ► and make text elections while I'm

◼   ► reading just like like an idol fidgety

◼   ► thing sure you fondle you found a boy

◼   ► does the same thing and said it drove

◼   ► him nuts and and he was gonna crack some

◼   ► skulls over it

◼   ► oh yeah well there have been all sorts

◼   ► of bad attempts that giving meaning to

◼   ► words that are not links from without

◼   ► any other extra hot keys to enable them

◼   ► or something and all the double the

◼   ► double underline crab advertisers are

◼   ► doing or even I think there's this

◼   ► company app sure I don't over there

◼   ► what's going on with them but they're

◼   ► trying to they're trying to enable

◼   ► search on top of every single word in a

◼   ► in a site or what

◼   ► alright so like when I'm reading on the

◼   ► iphone or ipad like in safari sometimes

◼   ► I'll just move my thumb up and down a

◼   ► little bit and just make the page go up

◼   ► and down just slightly just like a

◼   ► fidgety type thing and I feel like in

◼   ► ibooks that's why I sort of with making

◼   ► inadvertent highlights is that I would

◼   ► just sort of touching my I just wanted

◼   ► to touch the screen finally and then all

◼   ► of a sudden I've got a highlight but

◼   ► when you want to make a highlight i have

◼   ► to admit it is delightful really don't

◼   ► like his looks really good

◼   ► right and that aana somehow they're

◼   ► really really good at at this all at the

◼   ► the parallax offset of it's not really

◼   ► going underneath where you touch its

◼   ► underneath where you think you're

◼   ► touching right right it's very accurate

◼   ► um I I can't believe that it took the

◼   ► mac OS so long to make like control

◼   ► command D over any word bring up

◼   ► dictionary and yes and search every i

◼   ► use that constantly it's one of my

◼   ► favorite features

◼   ► yeah I do too i used to always when i

◼   ► was reading paper books always had like

◼   ► a personal policy that if I ever

◼   ► encountered word that I didn't know I

◼   ► would either look it up if there is a

◼   ► dictionary handy or write it down and

◼   ► then look it up when i got to a

◼   ► dictionary you and I wasn't always

◼   ► scrupulous about it but it was always

◼   ► thought it was a good policy that don't

◼   ► just pretend that you know the word if

◼   ► you encounter a new word look it up now

◼   ► and carry a dictionary in your back

◼   ► pocket is a good now I did not know they

◼   ► were too big

◼   ► yes big pants yeah so what do you have

◼   ► any idea what do you think apples going

◼   ► to do next long story short there that

◼   ► the low-hanging fruit is pretty much

◼   ► gone like everybody knew that's the

◼   ► thing about the copy and paste from

◼   ► 2007-2008 in its kind of crazy to think

◼   ► back that we had these phones that that

◼   ► we loved but they couldn't copy and

◼   ► paste text or anything

◼   ► yeah it's kind of crazy to think about

◼   ► going back to that like oh yeah

◼   ► as frustrating as it would be to travel

◼   ► back in time pre iphone it would be

◼   ► pretty frustrating to travel back to

◼   ► even the original iphone maybe like it

◼   ► can even copy and paste so what do you

◼   ► think is coming next

◼   ► i don't i don't know i mean i get you

◼   ► obviously you talked about every certain

◼   ► mentioning that maps google maps are

◼   ► gonna go out of the phone and Apple is

◼   ► going to have its own solution and I

◼   ► think that it's it might not just be

◼   ► like a one-to-one replacement with just

◼   ► a new backend of of a mapping service

◼   ► and and new interesting delightful Apple

◼   ► front end is going to replace this

◼   ► google friend that's basically been

◼   ► pretty much the same since the first

◼   ► iteration right i mean with with little

◼   ► accoutrement is added the new you know

◼   ► in in navigation on the new google maps

◼   ► it's nice to have three options of good

◼   ► roots right but other than that it's

◼   ► still frustrating to use it's not really

◼   ► intuitive think doing things like that

◼   ► are sort of user you very you I

◼   ► sensitive just for usability like while

◼   ► you're actually maybe in a car looking

◼   ► at a map and you need to get a list you

◼   ► need to get over to listview is like

◼   ► three taps yeah um and and I think that

◼   ► Apple could I mean I definitely solve

◼   ► those types of problems but bo what if

◼   ► they just whatever they're just going to

◼   ► put a new a new spin on the whole idea

◼   ► of mapping that there isn't super

◼   ► obvious I mean what if it's is this this

◼   ► could be done but I mean well first of

◼   ► all they're probably able to integrate

◼   ► across all their services like contacts

◼   ► and everything a little bit better in

◼   ► Thai in mapping and social and I don't

◼   ► know but that doesn't that's that's not

◼   ► really interesting maybe I mean there's

◼   ► I know there's sort of a movement to to

◼   ► figure out the problem of to figure out

◼   ► the problem of I don't know whether you

◼   ► would call it micro mapping or whatever

◼   ► like locating things and and inside of a

◼   ► location

◼   ► I'm just very very much refined your

◼   ► location they might have an interesting

◼   ► solution to that but no it's not obvious

◼   ► to me do you think here's my big

◼   ► question with Apple taking

◼   ► the map data into their own hands is do

◼   ► you think that they are also going to do

◼   ► a Maps website

◼   ► yeah that is an interesting question in

◼   ► my mind first thought my thought is no

◼   ► example doesn't do stuff like that but

◼   ► if they don't do a website how would you

◼   ► email directions to somebody from your

◼   ► phone right well you just have to hope

◼   ► that their iOS as well um yeah I guess

◼   ► it could operate on the Instagram model

◼   ► where there's maybe there's just a

◼   ► simple a very very simple web version of

◼   ► over map but nowhere near as complex as

◼   ► google maps all right no yeah i mean

◼   ► they don't they don't apple doesn't

◼   ► traditionally do stuff like that well

◼   ► right but they don't even try really

◼   ► yeah i mean when i get it there's like

◼   ► there's like locate my you know find my

◼   ► iphone and said and the the actual the

◼   ► actual the iCloud website is pretty

◼   ► robust never spend any time on which you

◼   ► wouldn't need to because it it's all the

◼   ► the front and front is that is all of

◼   ► the apps that are on your Mac but when

◼   ► you actually spend some time in the

◼   ► browser in and like fish around all this

◼   ► giant tabs

◼   ► um it's actually quite pretty yeah now I

◼   ► don't know I feel like they kind of have

◼   ► to but maybe I'm you know thinking about

◼   ► around and maybe they were willing to do

◼   ► that inhabit so that you know if you're

◼   ► going to send directions to somebody

◼   ► they better have an iOS device you

◼   ► same goes for the iCloud photo and

◼   ► video-sharing which 1i know the wall

◼   ► street journal reported a bit ago was a

◼   ► going to be a major new feature that

◼   ► you'll be you'll be able to you know I

◼   ► don't worry i think they even explicitly

◼   ► compared to compared to flicker or maybe

◼   ► even facebook or something where you

◼   ► could take your family photos from your

◼   ► iphone share them through your iCloud

◼   ► account and then the thing that caught

◼   ► my eye was that it said to other I cloud

◼   ► users because if it's not a website how

◼   ► else would they do it let alone whether

◼   ► they even you know whether they want to

◼   ► draw that sort of privacy circle of

◼   ► everybody you're sharing with has to

◼   ► have an iCloud account I i think a big

◼   ► part of that is the practical point that

◼   ► if you don't have an iCloud account how

◼   ► would you do it if they don't do it on

◼   ► the web

◼   ► but on the other hand they do you know

◼   ► they've already had things like you know

◼   ► the me.com photo albums which were on

◼   ► the web on your me.com account

◼   ► yeah and did you ever use any of that

◼   ► crap i'm not really i mean going back to

◼   ► idisk days and all the way through it

◼   ► seems like the parent of the kind of

◼   ► thing that parents use right but but you

◼   ► know we don't use that stuff because

◼   ► there's MIT they're way better solutions

◼   ► right um so I don't want to see what i

◼   ► mean i guess like I'm curious to see

◼   ► what apple's next iteration of the

◼   ► gallery would be but again they don't do

◼   ► social well so how useful could it be

◼   ► alright nice just for 121 sharing then

◼   ► again it's like this it would be very

◼   ► hobbled yeah that's it

◼   ► it doesn't feel like they ever really

◼   ► did a good job with it i mean i might I

◼   ► don't jump on most social network type

◼   ► things I mean most of them don't appeal

◼   ► to me but when i find 1i like that i

◼   ► just use it so for me for sharing photos

◼   ► to people who always been flickr just

◼   ► because that's why flickr became so

◼   ► popular was just seemed like than the

◼   ► nice balance between obvious and ease of

◼   ► use and easy shareability that you

◼   ► didn't you know make things that you

◼   ► could share privately which required the

◼   ► other people to have I think I flickr

◼   ► account and then you know if you didn't

◼   ► really care who saw the pictures you can

◼   ► just do it and point people at the URL

◼   ► and everybody could go see it

◼   ► what could it be possible that Apple is

◼   ► planning big things for the web but they

◼   ► still want everybody to have an iCloud

◼   ► account even if it's not a mobile-based

◼   ► viewing experience right i don't know i

◼   ► don't really think so it doesn't seem to

◼   ► me like Apple has done very much at all

◼   ► to encourage people to sign up for

◼   ► iCloud if they don't have an iOS device

◼   ► I mean even can you can you just go to I

◼   ► don't even know if this is possible i'm

◼   ► pretty pretty sure I feel like you can

◼   ► but i guess i've never not had a nice

◼   ► device like since I was a baby

◼   ► I'm trying to see what happened to sign

◼   ► in or learn more

◼   ► says right here iCloud and this is me

◼   ► signing in on chrome where I don't have

◼   ► em I already signed then if you go to

◼   ► iCloud that comment says to use iCloud

◼   ► first set it up with your Apple ID on a

◼   ► device with iOS 5 or mac with OS 10 lion

◼   ► 10.7 point2 so now it looks like to get

◼   ► an account you need to be using one of

◼   ► the matter up but i don't mean I'd hood

◼   ► you could just use somebody's mak make a

◼   ► guest account sign up for free iCloud

◼   ► account and then go home to your you

◼   ► know HP whatever things are called right

◼   ► you know um I didn't think of another

◼   ► set of features are you like just a

◼   ► usability enhancements that I would love

◼   ► to see in the next version

◼   ► ok it's it would be like instant on

◼   ► connectivity like I'm a huge remote user

◼   ► right with the road app my apple TV and

◼   ► that is the there's always eat as soon

◼   ► as the phone goes to sleep there's

◼   ► another three-second 324 seconds of of

◼   ► reconnection to do before you can use

◼   ► the damn thing again like they got to

◼   ► solve that pretty pretty well I wonder

◼   ► if they could wonder if a big part of

◼   ► that could be solved with the the new

◼   ► bluetooth i forget if the new thing is

◼   ► bluetooth for bluetooth is for yeah

◼   ► that's for but that the whole emphasis

◼   ► the whole point of it is is reduced

◼   ► power and prolonged battery life during

◼   ► idle time i'm sort of emphasis but that

◼   ► would require new hardware it's not

◼   ► really a new software you know not new

◼   ► software in and of itself

◼   ► well although deuces maybe the new phone

◼   ► does have the bluetooth for the other

◼   ► new the new phone definitely has

◼   ► bluetooth for while they're making out

◼   ► but that but the appletv dozen so maybe

◼   ► the next Apple TV's gonna it would have

◼   ► that will have some of that stuff in it

◼   ► but it's weird it's like it's so

◼   ► difficult to imagine an apple where

◼   ► they're just relying have

◼   ► Leon bluetooth for even though they're

◼   ► even though they've had bluetooth and in

◼   ► all their devices for since since since

◼   ► the beginning

◼   ► it just seems like such a kind of old

◼   ► and dying like a dinosaur of a standard

◼   ► to have to build around

◼   ► yeah definitely does i don't know

◼   ► there's something about it that doesn't

◼   ► add up

◼   ► but on the other hand I think that the

◼   ► fighting the most surprising thing to me

◼   ► about the current apple TV is that it

◼   ► still uses infrared for the remote right

◼   ► which just seems so super antiquated

◼   ► does but i think it's like it's almost

◼   ► like a barrier to entry thing they just

◼   ► want to make it as easy as possible

◼   ► which it is right like as long as you

◼   ► can handle you interacting with the

◼   ► thing with four buttons then you're fine

◼   ► and but you still even with the IR that

◼   ► you still run into problems where you

◼   ► know the laser you get and the more

◼   ► slumped down on your couch you are maybe

◼   ► this is mine maybe he's just my TV

◼   ► posture problems picturing you watching

◼   ► TV with your legs up at the top of the

◼   ► couch right you're you're sort of

◼   ► hunched over with your head on the floor

◼   ► make cereal the coffee table starts

◼   ► getting in a way you know that you've

◼   ► run into these weird line-of-sight like

◼   ► line-of-sight seems like something that

◼   ► we shouldn't have to worry about anymore

◼   ► right

◼   ► definitely and you know and if you get

◼   ► up and run to the fridge for refills you

◼   ► should be able to pause you know even

◼   ► though you're not line of sight to the

◼   ► TV anymore

◼   ► that's interesting it's interesting like

◼   ► you whereas are easy to Italy automatic

◼   ► pausing so into this so you will or if

◼   ► you just have the right if you have the

◼   ► remote your hand you should be able to

◼   ► do it and you can do that when you use

◼   ► the remote app because it's over Wi-Fi

◼   ► not line-of-sight right so if you've got

◼   ► some time in your hand like all be in

◼   ► the vibe every once in a while I'll be

◼   ► in the bathroom like with my iphone and

◼   ► I know that my girlfriend is in the

◼   ► bedroom with the apple TV on she's

◼   ► watching a show and I'll just dumb

◼   ► I'll take a picture of myself and then

◼   ► airplay the TV just to say hi

◼   ► is that is that weird

◼   ► she doesn't find it so funny is this

◼   ► where it is it weird though that I would

◼   ► that flag ask you to CC

◼   ► me on that list that I'd like to be on

◼   ► that I'd like to be on that list

◼   ► well it's so this guy like that is a

◼   ► good chuckle it is a good chuckle just

◼   ► i'll start a tumbler with all my my

◼   ► bathroom selfpics I'm really having a

◼   ► hard time coming up with ideas for what

◼   ► what they might add

◼   ► I don't know man I don't know if I'm I

◼   ► my creativity is at refining I i don't

◼   ► know if i'm missing something obvious

◼   ► like one of the reasons I wrote that

◼   ► piece on during fireball two weeks ago

◼   ► was to get people to send me emails with

◼   ► all the obvious things I was missing and

◼   ► I got some good ones but nothing that

◼   ► really jumped out at me as oh my god how

◼   ► did I not think of that you know i don't

◼   ► know it's just I think that there it

◼   ► just speaks to the to the pace at which

◼   ► they're they're catching up to the ideal

◼   ► it again it's like remember there was a

◼   ► time when we were all waiting for the

◼   ► next Mac to come out because we needed

◼   ► more speed and we need more power we

◼   ► need more hard drive space right

◼   ► eventually they just caught up and we

◼   ► could we were you know we're thinking

◼   ► geez if that what is going to be in the

◼   ► new 1i don't even know what I need

◼   ► anymore and I'm so then what happens

◼   ► when I mean like if your days sort of

◼   ► allow you the camera to the global

◼   ► picture what did happen is that they

◼   ► started concentrating on a new platform

◼   ► so is that the new way that is that the

◼   ► way to think about it I mean is there a

◼   ► definite like is there sort of a

◼   ► slightly different platform that's

◼   ► coming next on which they're going to

◼   ► start iterating slowly that makes it

◼   ► makes more sense to me and feels more

◼   ► right than anything else and I don't

◼   ► think I definitely don't expect them to

◼   ► do is to make any kind of big changes to

◼   ► the stuff that's already there in iOS as

◼   ► we know it on the iphone and on the ipad

◼   ► just for the sake of saying there's

◼   ► something new mm you know yeah no

◼   ► totally they know that that's not the

◼   ► game that there and that's the other

◼   ► hardware manufacturer right and as much

◼   ► as they get Apple get so much press when

◼   ► they make a big announcement

◼   ► I mean just almost unfathomable amount

◼   ► of of worldwide media attention when

◼   ► they ask for

◼   ► it they are not afraid of not making

◼   ► changes they're not afraid to keep

◼   ► things the same even though the people

◼   ► want to be wowed and blown away like

◼   ► I've asked about you know the fact that

◼   ► the iphone 4s when it's turned off looks

◼   ► almost completely identical to the

◼   ► iphone 4 by far the biggest money-making

◼   ► product and in apple right now and I

◼   ► think arguably the single most

◼   ► profitable product in any industry in

◼   ► the world and the brand-new model for

◼   ► the year looks exactly like the old and

◼   ► the answer you know is if we could think

◼   ► of something that was way better and it

◼   ► was different we would do it and if we

◼   ► can't find a if we're not ready to make

◼   ► anything that's we think is way better

◼   ► we're not going to make something

◼   ► different just to have something

◼   ► different right now does does does John

◼   ► Gruber ever sit at home and think about

◼   ► what's what's coming 10 years in the

◼   ► future and twenty i do and i come up

◼   ► blank i'm terrible at absolutely

◼   ► horrendous

◼   ► well I mean like your if you just like

◼   ► to pie-in-the-sky just like it should

◼   ► think you know space exploration robots

◼   ► are all around us what it was human

◼   ► computing human-computer interaction

◼   ► look like I would think that it's you

◼   ► know it's essentially invisible and the

◼   ► hardware as pretty much disappeared or

◼   ► as is is omnipresent like that it's get

◼   ► that level of pervasiveness that we

◼   ► don't even see it anymore so i would say

◼   ► that the the next steps in the

◼   ► development of the world's largest tech

◼   ► company is going to be you know

◼   ► incrementally reaching towards that and

◼   ► i think that the way they do that it is

◼   ► it is an every new generation of

◼   ► technology they start with something

◼   ► small and not at all obvious and not at

◼   ► all popular straight like like

◼   ► I guess we historically speaking at the

◼   ► tail end of the developer of the like

◼   ► feature completeness of the mac they

◼   ► start working on the ipad and people

◼   ► were saying it's ridiculously expensive

◼   ► and why would you need that and then

◼   ► eventually that sort of developed with

◼   ► an ecosystem into what's what working

◼   ► we're kind of saying is a device that

◼   ► feature that's nearing feature complete

◼   ► and and so that it's like certain it's

◼   ► now it's kind of time to like come up

◼   ► with the new ipod and what the hell is

◼   ► that I mean like I'm one of these people

◼   ► who actually firmly believes it's the TV

◼   ► like the job the big screen now is gonna

◼   ► is going to be the new thing that it

◼   ► seems like the dumbest idea in the world

◼   ► but then slowly develops over the next

◼   ► 10 years

◼   ► alright but there's some kind of angle

◼   ► that we're missing

◼   ► we dancing because I mean I will admit I

◼   ► will fully admit that I my idea for the

◼   ► iphone you know when it won 2006 like

◼   ► the year before it actually came out

◼   ► when the rumors were super rampant I

◼   ► mean people have been talking about an

◼   ► apple cellphone for years but then it

◼   ► really accelerated beginning for the

◼   ► obvious reason that they actually were

◼   ► doing it and and while the details

◼   ► didn't leak the fact that they were

◼   ► doing it just inevitably made it

◼   ► permeated the the collective

◼   ► consciousness right

◼   ► my idea was an iphone or an ipod that

◼   ► made phone calls

◼   ► yeah you know and that the you would you

◼   ► know in the same way that you would

◼   ► spend the click wheel up and down to

◼   ► pick a song you would spend the click

◼   ► wheel up and down to pick one of your

◼   ► contacts and press the middle button and

◼   ► it would call them and it would be good

◼   ► all the same

◼   ► sorry good and I thought it would be

◼   ► great and then but in all the same

◼   ► barriers existed to achieving that that

◼   ► kind of exists in in this

◼   ► kind of exists in in this

◼   ► Nason TV world right now they still have

◼   ► all the huge behemoth infrastructure to

◼   ► completed to like ingratiate themselves

◼   ► with right and so my idea for apple TV

◼   ► is I don't know I guess exactly like my

◼   ► TV with the actual apple TV connected to

◼   ► it except you don't have to connect

◼   ► anything and then it's super obvious

◼   ► enough to make phone calls with it right

◼   ► and I'm sure it's just as wrong as my

◼   ► idea that the iphone would be an ipod

◼   ► with the click wheel so I'm you know I'm

◼   ► it's fun to be wrong though right that's

◼   ► that's like the fun part of what we do I

◼   ► guess

◼   ► alright i'm not a nun at the least bit

◼   ► embarrassed to be wrong about that

◼   ► because I get you know might be may be

◼   ► no fun at all if you could accurately

◼   ► predict it

◼   ► yeah gross right I cannot expenditure

◼   ► did the iphone introduction day and

◼   ► event was like one of the happiest days

◼   ► of my life

◼   ► me too and if i had predicted that it

◼   ► would have been like while I was there I

◼   ► saw that coming

◼   ► by any chance did you see the trailer

◼   ► for the other teaser for the master when

◼   ► you called paul thomas anderson now I

◼   ► did not go and watch it right this

◼   ► second well not right this second but

◼   ► like you said you know anything about it

◼   ► now it's sort of this it's loosely based

◼   ► on the on l ron hubbard huh yeah well

◼   ► should I could I could watch it and then

◼   ► we could have caleb take care of the oh

◼   ► yeah go go and watch it going short

◼   ► short

◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► that was terribly exciting i was really

◼   ► good i don't know i just find I think

◼   ► that he's the most exciting for a

◼   ► director right now like he's he's he's

◼   ► the younger version of the terrence

◼   ► malick or something I our you know there

◼   ► is a Kubrick night i agree i see it

◼   ► ICL any edge of sort of Kubrick the

◼   ► Mallik to PT Anderson yeah just the guys

◼   ► that are not afraid to take things very

◼   ► very very seriously

◼   ► well and in a way of us an understanding

◼   ► of the art of cinema that it can stretch

◼   ► a moment to unbelievable length

◼   ► well that's an interesting way of

◼   ► putting it i like that and I'll tell you

◼   ► what just out i'll tell you what that

◼   ► that there's two parts of this trailer

◼   ► there's a part on a beach visually it's

◼   ► one conversation but what you see

◼   ► visually is looks like some Navy guys or

◼   ► something on the beach but then it cuts

◼   ► to then it ends up

◼   ► uuc then these this interview that's

◼   ► taking place between two characters

◼   ► what did that remind you a lot of the

◼   ► interview in The Shining oh yeah

◼   ► definitely other room is very so very

◼   ► similar with the walking phoenix AZ

◼   ► Jack 20 yeah um I think that every with

◼   ► you have to come to with a little bit of

◼   ► knowledge of what the the story is and I

◼   ► think it's that will it's that it's the

◼   ► origin story of El ron Hubbard and this

◼   ► and his knee is his new nose neophyte

◼   ► the right word is new like wingman

◼   ► anybody find that he discovers to help

◼   ► him run is

◼   ► is you know his thing and that and I

◼   ► know that there's like in Scientology

◼   ► there's this tradition of the like very

◼   ► military sick but not like navel and

◼   ► analog in a naval analogy to to the

◼   ► whole structure of Scientology so i

◼   ► think that what we're seeing is that

◼   ► where we're watching the background of

◼   ► this may have the the wingman character

◼   ► mhm I you know I don't know anything

◼   ► about it is it it is it about

◼   ► Scientology no it's not but it's about a

◼   ► figure like l ron hubbard ah got it so

◼   ► it's not really doesn't it got it sort

◼   ► of Solon Citizen Kane was to first

◼   ► yeah exactly exactly right so that's

◼   ► three comparison and and it's Philip

◼   ► Seymour Hoffman as their own Hubbard

◼   ► character haha perfect yeah perfect man

◼   ► I so I you know what is coming out one

◼   ► movie coming out pretty soon pretty soon

◼   ► all right so you got to come back on and

◼   ► we'll talk about the movie

◼   ► okay great alright gotta get that back

◼   ► on the show will get these movie reviews

◼   ► back in the meantime you can always

◼   ► check out some VHS VHS cassettes of the

◼   ► master the TV show with Lee Van Cleef as

◼   ► an as a master ninja and Timothy band

◼   ► Timothy Van Patten as a sidekick from

◼   ► 1984 man that'll make a Mike Lee Van

◼   ► Cleef anymore no I don't the mustache on

◼   ► the many kidding me he was and he was

◼   ► missing the tip of a finger didn't know

◼   ► that

◼   ► oh man that's whether the great things

◼   ► about him and you know of course Sergio

◼   ► Leone loved his clothes upstairs a clean

◼   ► anytime you see a close-up of leave and

◼   ► cliffs hand going for his pistol get a

◼   ► lock he's missing a finger tip I mean

◼   ► that you can't fake that kind of

◼   ► badassery you know he lost that a bar

◼   ► fight or something but yeah somebody bit

◼   ► off

◼   ► yeah i've got probably him you know like

◼   ► you know you mean like they're right

◼   ► like on a dare like a bite my finger tip

◼   ► off valve that I don't need it

◼   ► he was a badass yeah speaking of badass

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◼   ► signified a fighter been trying for but

◼   ► remember not organized organized as you

◼   ► say buildings that line right right

◼   ► urbanized most of them are documentary

◼   ► directors I'm like the I'm sort of like

◼   ► the small web spot guy right

◼   ► so in your usual humble way you have

◼   ► described it accurately i would describe

◼   ► it as that that Morgan Spurlock has put

◼   ► together the Avengers of commercial

◼   ► directors and you're in there I've

◼   ► clearly i think clearly as the Hulk I

◼   ► don't know which will see right nineteen

◼   ► ninety nine percent of the time you're

◼   ► Bruce Banner you know in nobody would

◼   ► like you when you're angry

◼   ► your pants are ripped yeah well that

◼   ► part is true right soso could be could

◼   ► be interesting

◼   ► I'm you know there's always been the

◼   ► threat of like doing these small ones

◼   ► that i do but on a bigger scale of

◼   ► course it's a whole different ballgame

◼   ► ballgame when you're doing that because

◼   ► there's an ad agency in place and

◼   ► they're there they're the ones that are

◼   ► delivering a lot of the creative input

◼   ► and in my small in my little company and

◼   ► sandwich video i basically act as the ad

◼   ► agency direct to the client so there's a

◼   ► lot of freedom in that there's a lot of

◼   ► responsibility and I'm just kind of

◼   ► curious about what happens in this i'm

◼   ► mostly that's it is curiosity to see

◼   ► whether I can whether it's something i

◼   ► can actually do you say anything about

◼   ► what you're working on right now you you

◼   ► alluded at the outset of of the show

◼   ► that you are editing yeah I'm editing

◼   ► two things here at at pictures in a row

◼   ► and Hollywood one of them is is the most

◼   ► fun project I've ever gotten to work on

◼   ► because it's like it's for a new video

◼   ► game coming out the trailer and I've

◼   ► never gotten to do that before and i'm

◼   ► not a huge gig video game player but i

◼   ► will this is a it's an interesting take

◼   ► on an old format i can't say much more

◼   ► than that I wanted to be about like a

◼   ► nice surprise and it comes but some

◼   ► heavy hitters are behind it in the games

◼   ► and in the game's world and like it's

◼   ► just a lot of fun because it's like it's

◼   ► it's playing in a world that I've always

◼   ► been partial to since I was a kid games

◼   ► are big business now huge right i mean

◼   ► it and i'm wrong i might be might be if

◼   ► i'm wrong correct me and you should know

◼   ► this but there's more money spent on

◼   ► video games now then spent on motion

◼   ► pictures

◼   ► well I don't actually know I don't know

◼   ► the number and i know that it could

◼   ► easily be true could be that a video

◼   ► game costs 200 million dollars to do

◼   ► well but also that like the amount of

◼   ► money that by us consumers spend on

◼   ► video games is more than what they spend

◼   ► to watch movies

◼   ► I'm but at the very least they're in the

◼   ► same ballpark

◼   ► oh absolutely in the same ballpark and

◼   ► then the model is sort of similar to

◼   ► with the studio's cranking out the big

◼   ► hits and they sequels and everything big

◼   ► opening weekends and promotions 22 to

◼   ► herald the arrival and teasers like you

◼   ► exactly what you're doing trailers that

◼   ► will advertise you know release dates

◼   ► very similar

◼   ► yeah then we'll do you do you play games

◼   ► with the boy we play some games on the

◼   ► wii wii is fun

◼   ► yeah but he's he got a d/s for Christmas

◼   ► and he loves it and it was interesting

◼   ► to me because I wasn't sure whether you

◼   ► know he also has like old we have so

◼   ► many old iphone sitting around so he has

◼   ► access to iphones and he does play

◼   ► iphone games to but so is interesting to

◼   ► me with the Des appeal to somebody who

◼   ► if you already have unlimited access to

◼   ► an iphone four games with the d/s appeal

◼   ► to you as well and the truth is not

◼   ► surprisingly it does because nintendo is

◼   ► very good at what they do

◼   ► mom and i think that the d/s games he

◼   ► likes are far more immersive than the

◼   ► iOS games that he likes sure I've played

◼   ► with the 3d one

◼   ► yeah that's what he has it three guys

◼   ► okay that's pretty neat yeah it's

◼   ► because and I generally don't like 3d

◼   ► but it

◼   ► you know that and I think part of the

◼   ► reason that I don't like 3ds is right

◼   ► down

◼   ► Roger Ebert alley where I go to a movie

◼   ► and you put these glasses on me and

◼   ► forget the whole 3d 2d thing it's

◼   ► everything looks dark and there's no way

◼   ► to to make up for that movies look

◼   ► better when the ball was right when the

◼   ► picture is super bright and you put

◼   ► these glasses on and everything gets

◼   ► dark and so I've already disappointed

◼   ► every time I see the 3d movie because of

◼   ► that the 3ds doesn't involve any glasses

◼   ► you just look at it and and to me that's

◼   ► an enormous difference right I need to

◼   ► me any 3d technology that requires

◼   ► glasses that everybody who was involved

◼   ► in making this stuff ought to be looking

◼   ► for ways to get rid of it

◼   ► sure what I was at the office and my

◼   ► office i have a TV like a TV on the wall

◼   ► that's actually 3d TV because it

◼   ► actually doesn't cost much more than 24

◼   ► a 3d enabled TV and and then the glasses

◼   ► class 50 bucks and i happen to be like I

◼   ► love 3d i love 3d movies

◼   ► I'm all-in um and so I bought a few

◼   ► blu-rays and easy and i love the

◼   ► experience the glasses i can see how

◼   ► they get in the way to like domination

◼   ► but but when i when i tried all my

◼   ► friends iphone 3d I mean what it is

◼   ► yeah the nintendo 3ds without the

◼   ► glasses and it just works you just have

◼   ► to have the right angle of view and then

◼   ► and all of a sudden it's this new pop

◼   ► out pop out book I mean I guess that's

◼   ► the feeling it gave me is like when

◼   ► you're a kid and you look at a pop-up

◼   ► book for the first time

◼   ► yeah and I remember I've played you know

◼   ► a couple of games I've and I'd it's one

◼   ► of those things where I don't play as

◼   ► many that my whole reason i got on this

◼   ► was that I don't play as many games with

◼   ► him on the wii as much because he's on

◼   ► the 3ds and it's a no he's just all

◼   ► personal experiences right but but I've

◼   ► you know I've tinkered with it and with

◼   ► the mario kart and but i think it's most

◼   ► interesting for like a platform type

◼   ► game where the game is 2d but they show

◼   ► it in a little bit of 3d and it really

◼   ► helps and and it's a

◼   ► like a little joyful extra touch like in

◼   ► a way that it's just it's not really

◼   ► useful but it's just joyful when screens

◼   ► on the iphone animate and slide and it's

◼   ► very smooth like from a practical

◼   ► perspective the 3d effects applied to a

◼   ► 2-d game doesn't really serve any

◼   ► purpose but it just somehow makes it it

◼   ► does make it seem more fun is a question

◼   ► I have to go back to the iphone for a

◼   ► second and just talking about that 3ds

◼   ► made me think of it why what that way

◼   ► okay so that's the the rumors of the for

◼   ► the 4-inch sixteen by nine iphone screen

◼   ► right what the hell happens to the

◼   ► millions of apps they're coded for you

◼   ► know one and a half by one or whatever 3

◼   ► by 2 aspect ratio

◼   ► well it's funny you should ask i just

◼   ► wrote about it before we started

◼   ► recording i'm good i think that for most

◼   ► of them that it's sort of like the way

◼   ► that you resize windows on mac that you

◼   ► know like Safari like the you know the

◼   ► URL bar stays at the top and the other

◼   ► buttons stay at the bottom and then

◼   ► there's just more room in the middle for

◼   ► content and it's the same way that apps

◼   ► are already most apps are already

◼   ► flexible in that regard like if you are

◼   ► on a phone call hit the home button

◼   ► while you're still on the call and go to

◼   ► mail that double-height green status bar

◼   ► that says hey you're on a phone call

◼   ► it's double-height it doesn't cover

◼   ► male-male squishes the window down so

◼   ► that it gives the status bar an extra

◼   ► you know 40 pixels or whatever it is

◼   ► mhm on so i think that if developers are

◼   ► using the api's right to respond to that

◼   ► sort of thing that when the app is

◼   ► launched on a phone with more pixels

◼   ► it'll just go up there and grow now the

◼   ► big exception and i'm sure it's why you

◼   ► thought about it is games because games

◼   ► don't have like a flexible content area

◼   ► in the mail

◼   ► right so like a list of mail messages

◼   ► well the screen shrinks are grows

◼   ► horizontally you just show more or fewer

◼   ► messages in the list but a game is sort

◼   ► of hard coded to a specific aspect ratio

◼   ► and i'm not quite sure what the answer

◼   ► is to that

◼   ► yeah it's a tough it's a tough one

◼   ► because it's for designers who are just

◼   ► precious about every pixel and see it be

◼   ► really really frustrating how many extra

◼   ► pixels it's 1130 6-1 970 276 pixels and

◼   ► it's only six it's a about a half an

◼   ► inch physical size

◼   ► yeah that's a lot to deal with

◼   ► so like if you let her boxer or

◼   ► pillar-box did or whatever you want to

◼   ► call it with it you know it wouldn't be

◼   ► I think that one solution to it is if

◼   ► that an app is hard-coded only to have 3

◼   ► by 2 UI elements that it would just be

◼   ► letterboxed and yeah you know it

◼   ► wouldn't be profound you know wouldn't

◼   ► be still a huge black bars but there

◼   ► would be black bars i'm i'm excited that

◼   ► the screen is going to finally be

◼   ► sixteen by nine for video because i

◼   ► always feel weird watching video and you

◼   ► have to choose which is the lesser of

◼   ► two evils to you describe into it

◼   ► ideally the letterbox all right products

◼   ► and I think that's one of the reasons

◼   ► they're going to do it as that you know

◼   ► and and why did they do it from the

◼   ► outset I don't know and they're never

◼   ► going to explain themselves but my

◼   ► thought is perhaps it was just a

◼   ► technical problem that you know and and

◼   ► to me it's about at the tension or a

◼   ► major source of tension in the design of

◼   ► these mobile devices is that you want

◼   ► the smallest physical hardware device

◼   ► possible and you want a big screen and

◼   ► thatthat's there's tension there so the

◼   ► way some of these android phones have

◼   ► gone as if they've just will slack in

◼   ► the tension on how big the devices and

◼   ► said screw it will just make a phone

◼   ► that's actually not even that

◼   ► comfortable to hold in one hand but

◼   ► you'll get a big screen and I'd I expect

◼   ► holy expect that if if it's true that

◼   ► Apple's doing a 4-inch iphone that the

◼   ► actual phone itself will not be any

◼   ► bigger it will be

◼   ► the same size if not even smaller just

◼   ► so they can be coy about it because if

◼   ► you just turn on your iPhone and look

◼   ► there's plenty of room on the screen for

◼   ► it to be at a taller display they just

◼   ► shrink the chin and forehead areas a

◼   ► little bit right corner in the other is

◼   ► a range of quarter-inch down is any

◼   ► other heart phone maker doing or retina

◼   ► equivalent display it i think so i think

◼   ► HTC I think some of the android guys are

◼   ► up in the 300 and some pixel range per

◼   ► inch and and that's you know I think

◼   ► anything over 300 by Apple's definition

◼   ► counters retina true but a lot of those

◼   ► guys it's in it's it's I'm just so glad

◼   ► I don't have to really write about him

◼   ► and try all those phones like the

◼   ► engadget that's because it'll some of

◼   ► them use the pentile AMOLED and that it

◼   ► doesn't really count as you know right

◼   ► now because they're cheating on the

◼   ► sub-pixels and and it just looks gross

◼   ► when you look at those amoled displays

◼   ► yeah but I don't know what the answer is

◼   ► four games I don't know

◼   ► and then what happens because the other

◼   ► thing too is that what happens to a game

◼   ► that is optimized for the 16 deny phone

◼   ► when it runs on the 32 iphone a smart

◼   ► game with gaming the i think is

◼   ► definitely the hardest thing to answer

◼   ► on that because then you you would run

◼   ► the same thing as what are they going to

◼   ► do profit on a three-to-two and you're

◼   ► missing some stuff on the side of the

◼   ► the game that will work

◼   ► alright alright you're going to have to

◼   ► code the game so that it takes it does

◼   ► both

◼   ► I don't know it's weird but um amazing

◼   ► still with that with those limitations

◼   ► how extensible the the platform is

◼   ► definitely just put all that power in

◼   ► the developers hands and I do think too

◼   ► i think that the I think that the the

◼   ► big big use cases for these devices

◼   ► especially the phone every week always

◼   ► call it the phone but you know the phone

◼   ► is just like the lamest of the things

◼   ► that it does but it's a camera right

◼   ► it's everybody's pocket camera right and

◼   ► I'm you know a little bit of a camera

◼   ► nerd and

◼   ► I have like a that Rico that you know

◼   ► that i carry around a little

◼   ► pocket-sized camera and I mean it's a

◼   ► pic i paid a hundred dollars for it so I

◼   ► mean I my point-and-shoot camera cost a

◼   ► tinderbox which you know I think

◼   ► qualifies me not as a professional but

◼   ► as a sort of prosumer idiot who spends

◼   ► eight hundred dollars on a

◼   ► point-and-shoot camera and I I you know

◼   ► I don't know when I bought that around

◼   ► 2006-2007 a long time ago but in camera

◼   ► you know if you're a camera nerd type

◼   ► type of guy and I'm just not tempted to

◼   ► replace it because i use it less and

◼   ► less and less than I just shoot all the

◼   ► you know if i'm not using an SLR my big

◼   ► fat canon 5d that i'm using the iphone

◼   ► and i think a 69 display makes way more

◼   ► sense for a camera i agree it's not it's

◼   ► not a for it's not an aspect ratio that

◼   ► any I think there's like what may be one

◼   ► panasonic stills camera that shoots and

◼   ► sixteen by nine natively right but I can

◼   ► definitely see it being becoming more of

◼   ► a popular form at all because I mean

◼   ► because a it's exactly the same as what

◼   ► we see on our tvs everyday i think

◼   ► that's that's awesome right i would love

◼   ► I even sometimes like when I shoot a an

◼   ► iphone still or irregular still with my

◼   ► normal camera i call crop it to sixteen

◼   ► by nine just because I know as more of a

◼   ► film look to it as soon as cinematic

◼   ► look to it

◼   ► right right that was exactly you just

◼   ► took the words right out of my mouth

◼   ► that I you know people have said to me

◼   ► and I get in all sorts of great smart

◼   ► emails from readers and listeners but

◼   ► one of the things that people have held

◼   ► up as I don't think apple is going to go

◼   ► 16 29 is that the 423 camera 2423 camera

◼   ► still photo ratio will be even worse

◼   ► worse fit than on the existing phone so

◼   ► my answer to them is exactly what you

◼   ► said who says that the camera still

◼   ► going to shoot for 23 right why not just

◼   ► do co16 tonight if if if the screen is

◼   ► 69 why not just go 69 on the images to

◼   ► yeah it's ok it's a clear wall it's

◼   ► interesting questions so you know if

◼   ► you're on your camera and your shooting

◼   ► is still i'm just going to look at this

◼   ► real quick

◼   ► shooting is still and you've got that

◼   ► full I don't know it's four by three but

◼   ► it's like it's not a 16 by 9 frame is

◼   ► taller than that and then you switch

◼   ► over to video mode and then the I'm

◼   ► trying to figure out does the sensor

◼   ► widen out the are you getting more image

◼   ► and video motor you can I are getting

◼   ► less on your debt you're definitely

◼   ► punching in and remind that right i had

◼   ► a theory but that it was a dumb thing

◼   ► right now it's a crop but that's why and

◼   ► that's arm just throw-in it as what's

◼   ► that thing called the olloclip ever seen

◼   ► that

◼   ► yeah let's look for dr. that's the whole

◼   ► that's like the major point of that fish

◼   ► eye lens on the audio clip I didn't

◼   ► realize this and and many many months

◼   ► ago on the on the show dan and I talked

◼   ► about the other clip and I i said i love