2: Dare I Say, Kubrick?, with Adam Lisagor
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big upset last night right wait on me
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what the hand big win last night right
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what who the yanks yea big win
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yeah did you hear about Jeter the season
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ii he's turning 37 and he's still
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killing it and yeah he is batting
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average what with 341 batting average he
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kidding me that's currently the
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ninth-best average this season job for
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pretty good case I mean my god i just
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put myself to sleep i mean i like the
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way that you you predicted the homework
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you needed to do before appearing on the
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yeah as I asked JP who works with me i
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asked the the right-hand man JP to give
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me some baseball my period that actually
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ok good so now we're done with that
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we're down with that everybody can come
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what's new with you nothing that's love
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yeah all right well then I'm sure we can
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find something to talk about
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it's been really slow week but a good
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slow week right LOL not at all stressful
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a little stressful controversy pre very
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quiet on on the Twitter to it must be a
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nightmare could keep up with your
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Twitter your Twitter conversation your
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stream do you even bother now usually do
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you get the toe or do you just obsessed
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you do you do you dive right in and
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spend six hours usually doesn't take six
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hours but sometimes the heads
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yeah are responsive have you been to
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this last this last round of carefully
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I've been as I think a lot of people
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have observed utterly unresponsive
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whoo-hoo well I mean but in bye-bye
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design our depth definitely but pop
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probably slightly by mistake I talk to
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well I last week's show I very
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deliberate and I just didn't want to put
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gold multi on the spot and I felt like
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that was a lot to ask to sort of face
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the unpleasantness and it and address it
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so we didn't completely ignored there is
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a little bit of banter at the beginning
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about being new at this and doing things
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differently but for the most part we
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just pretended like the the great
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unpleasantness wasn't there and that was
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my idea and I just didn't want to put
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notes on the spot and you know and then
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I thought you know what that's not right
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though in a way I think it I think it
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ended up playing very poorly because my
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take on his I i'm not going to explain
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everything but I whatever i am going to
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explain is going to be completely honest
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and I in a sense ignoring that elephant
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in the room is a form of dishonesty
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so then I thought to myself well who can
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I put on the spot and make extremely
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uncomfortable believe i am doing the
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thing with my shirt collar right now
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exactly and I don't of course I thought
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of you and no one else i don't i don't
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let's have it out let's let's come to
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some-some epiphanies let's cry a little
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we can just or not you know you can just
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you can come clean or it and if you want
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to you can just air grievances if there
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are no I wouldn't do that Donaire
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grievances I picked up a new hobby
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recently what's that drinking I just
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can't tell you how if you already
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ok alright in preparation because he
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knew you were going to be as to
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unleashing some stuff some good i said
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you know i will tell you i will tell you
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the truth the truth is but in that
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regard I I we're recording Harris is a
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wednesday the 23rd as we record 2 p.m.
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my time East Coast 11am your your time
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west coast and 15 minutes ago in mice
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copious show prep wanted to get a big
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glass of of water and
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was thinking now about what we're going
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to say what we're going to talk about
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and I got halfway through making a
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martini I actually filled the shaker
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with ice right i should say halfway but
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I feel the shaker with ice and before I
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realize what I was doing a given problem
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i don't know why but you know we can do
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we can talk about it we shall we should
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talk about it we should remember that I
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don't mean to make jokes and be joking
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and try to be funny but ok I think
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there's some things to talk about their
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right and I'd feel like you know you
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can't the show can't go on by pretending
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that it didn't happen right
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alright so now that it's it's it's a new
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it's a new venture it's a new show that
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what is the idea are you going to have
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is it going to be you on Mike with a
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different co-host for every episode or
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do you have you planned that far in
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advance hit you know I haven't planned
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obviously it's not going to be John
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Smoltz every week I so I don't know for
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now my my idea is I have a whole list of
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people who i would like to have on just
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with me I haven't asked all of them and
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I've had some of them but it's at least
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in a couple of weeks of chock-full of
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brand-new people who I could sit here
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and talk to for an hour
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yeah absolutely and I'm going to be
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great i have not asked him yet
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this is the first the public but just as
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an idea haven't asked him I hope he says
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yes I think it could be great terrific
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fun would be me and paul thurrott oh I
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don't know pull the THU rotc t is often
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mentioned on Darren parable you don't
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know where you never heard of and daring
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fireball this is this is TV show
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whoops no hay fall I'm just kidding see
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this is get this is this is fun because
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this is going to be largely I think you
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took teaching me about things that I
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should know as a guest on your show
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you'll be mentioning names and products
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and things and over and they'll just
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completely over my head but i'll pretend
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i know now I I should just pretend that
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what you're talking about now that's
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Paul Paul would be great
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you and Paul would have a other great
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dynamic um you know I would like this to
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hear on on the show I was I would love
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to hear suggestions i was i think that
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you and lob would be great i'll already
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on the list go good at Michael op of of
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Rands and repose fit came you know but
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the common thread of the show is that
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you are on every episode correct i guess
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so consistent a hundred I yeah i believe
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so very good so it's just it's group its
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Gruber yeah and and future of bold all
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caps widely spaced right all right so
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it's the Great's the groomer show there
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it's just Gruber would you call your
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show Gruber in theory yeah I feel like a
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lot of people just know us group like
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dearie Gruber it's not even daring
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fireball honest so it's so did you read
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you see what was on gruber not bad did
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you did you google this week
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oh yeah I'm Gregory was talking about
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grouping it might be that might add that
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in theory i guide that that's not a that
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doesn't strike me as a bad idea right
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off the top of the head
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I my only thing about that is i'm not
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sure though that it would that people
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are already saying that about what I do
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a daring fireball but what do you mean
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like to well that when people people
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might say like if if you work in an
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office doing the sort of things where
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it's possible that multiple people you
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work with three daring fireball like
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maybe you make iOS apps or websites or
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something like that that somebody when
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they're referencing something on daring
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fireball might just say exactly what you
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said hey Yuri Gruber today right
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notice we can say and if this but if a
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show is called Gruber it would be
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ambiguous whether it was the show or
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daring fireball would it and as I don't
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think i don't know i think it's a pretty
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strong brand but was your idea you asked
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an email you had an idea for a possible
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oh yeah no I i suggest well just as an
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when I suggested I think picking boogers
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with John right and you said that even
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that would be successful
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yea even that because you know well what
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is the talk show it say about that
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I always wanted to be honest when and
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the talkshow had a I've told you this
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before i had a big impact on me from the
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stylistically influenced the way I
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wanted you know you look nice today
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sound and I just thought it was a
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beautifully babe you know beautifully
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devised podcast was on it unlike
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anything but what but I I thought to
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myself at the time why the hell is it
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called the time I mean yeah it's
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beautifully simple and everything like
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that but what may be a little bit more
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specificity or maybe a little bit more
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of a of an anchor and you know I feel
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like now with this isn't with this
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opportunity what you why not do a little
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bit of a rethink on it
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well that's one way I could have gone i
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might take those that i came up with the
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name I art-directed the great Greg story
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of airbag industries Fame now now at
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happy cog for the original branding and
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visual design of everything from the
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original run right there's two runs of
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the talk show this is effectively were
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this is talk-show 344 as Apple would
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call the new talk show haha that the
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we'll just talk show because they don't
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put the anything right busy that's the
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opposite with the talk show where I
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always want that i paid extra money for
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the okay with it but it was worth it
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so the first one was me and dan from I
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believe summer I could be wrong by a
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year here summer of two thousand seven
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through the end of 2008 no network i
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always had the idea of of trying to make
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it into a some sort of money making
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thing getting some sponsors and i think
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i actually don't even remember specific
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i think occasionally we found a sponsor
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or two but it was it was sort of like
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light fire with wet matches just never
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took off and ultimately I think that's
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sort of what led to the demise of the
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show where it went from being pretty
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consistently weekly to a couple of times
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a month and then very very quickly after
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you after you lose that regular
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scheduled very quickly spotted out to
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all of a sudden there's two months
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between episodes and and it was done
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oh yeah I and you know that you know
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very well it is very very hard to to
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yeah it's like work it's like it's like
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it's like exercises like once when she
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stopped it just feels so much better not
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to do it right do you find that you guys
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have have have reinvigorated you guys
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never you guys are like a band that
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never broke up but there was sort of a
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hiatus with you look nice today but you
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guys have have come back i believe
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starting three months ago ya think we've
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put out three episodes now and you've
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got a new schedule where it's going to
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be on the second of every month
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let's try dropping it on the deuce it's
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just about managing expectations though
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but it was as if that was a simpson ism
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of course all right is that the bed is
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that why you picked the second of the
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market third they don't have I don't
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think so I don't think so it's just so
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it just means you know being on a call
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recording like we do and then everybody
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sipping a little bit of something and
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then and then Merlin says we should put
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it out on the second of every month and
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and Scott goes yeah the deuce the deuce
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would drop it on the deuce
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what are you going to do in February
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when there is no second of the month
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well you speak are you talking crazy
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right now doesn't that pepperoni has one
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for a second i had it is like I had to
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go back through my elementary school
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education and think about whether you're
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correct except in leap years in leap
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years yet accepted except in would be
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leap years that fall on the Millennium
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in which case you start on februari
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third right so socially we only do 11
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per year right you worry about that when
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you come to yeah that's like that's like
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four years away right
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what did you do the monthly thing is you
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think it's gonna work out i think it
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it's hard though it is alright well you
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well you got to do with 10,000 times and
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so if you you know but I everybody but i
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find this in my own my own work my
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professional thing if i'm doing if i get
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to do like let's say four projects in a
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month than by the fourth 1 i'm cooking
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with cooking with gas as they say but if
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then I you know and I go with a month in
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between to the next one that I'm just
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like I'm trying I'm having to relearn
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everything and why don't my muscles in
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the podcast thing or not that strong to
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begin with I feel like Merlin Scoggins
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pick it up and and run but mine my voice
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gets weak very very quickly
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yeah so it would suit the show better if
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we could actually find a way to to
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record on a weekly basis but my nerves
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just can't handle it but how can i have
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some sort of schedule though is
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I really do yeah i mean i don't i mean
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maybe there's some sure there's always
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an exception and there's somebody out
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there with a popular and long-running
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podcast with a very inconsistent
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schedule but I I could never do that
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you got a minute gotta be pretty regular
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whether you're going to say weekly or
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bi-weekly or monthly or something so do
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you do you get nerves when you're
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getting on my queen you when you hit
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recording go do you feel like that d
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Philip tremendous amount of pressure to
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record and an hour to two hours of like
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yes definitely and without question
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much more so all of a sudden
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hey well it's now it's more your thing
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right a little bit right well writer you
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could consider yourself the the host
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rather than the co-host right and the
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whole thing is my responsibility
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there's no I can absolutely feel the
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pressure yeah well I feel the pressure
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every day when i write on daring
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fireball I mean it's you know it i can't
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quite say I mean I often try to think
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about it this way and it freaked me out
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but if I thought that all the people who
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read daring fireball they were in an
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arena and the truth is at this point it
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would actually take some sort of arena
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sized facility to fit them all in there
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at once on one day and it doesn't really
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feel like that because you know i'm
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actually in like the same office i'm
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using the same keyboard and actually
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even the same monitor from when i
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launched the thing and like was excited
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and nervous and palms sweaty the first
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day that I had over a hundred page views
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like so the interface that I see while
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posting looks exactly the same so like
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if you're in a band and you start
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playing in a bar to a hundred people and
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that's kind of cool and then you grow
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and you're successful and successful
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when you start playing bigger and bigger
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venues you see it and it's palpable and
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everything he not just you know you hear
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the audience and it's louder and the
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acoustics are different you have a
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successful website that you're right it
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just looks exactly the same as the
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audience grows so that definitely keeps
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the nerves down a little bit but yeah
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but I realized like I fully realized
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that if I were to something I've never
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done but if i were to say take a week
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off and do like what cocky doesn't just
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turn the keys over to somebody
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mom I think you in fact were the first
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person he ever did that with i wasn't i
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was the second you were the second yeah
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I i actually like I applied to be the
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first one and and he skipped over me it
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and pick somebody else and then you know
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and I was pretty crushed about it but
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whatever it was it was it was a long
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tango and I forgive and then you know
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few weeks maybe a couple months later
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actually he he went on vacation again
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but me and said hey how would you like
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another chance and now I felt great i
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took a week off of work to do it but
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that was probably super nerve-wracking
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oh my god it was the most stressful
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thing I've ever done in my life up to
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that point for sure what to do too
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because his audience is revered yeah i
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mean i mean is his audiences Reverend
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to be handed those keys
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you know it's a big big set of keys
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right Jan one giant novelty key right
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and it's a compare and contrast with
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another big like a site like boy which
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probably adds more readers than then
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daring fireball and combined wire
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ah is always it always has been a
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collaborative blog with no singular
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voice right and all and in fact almost
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deliberately a sort of widely varying
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voices of the various contributors and
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editors so if somebody i I've still be
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nerve-wracking and nervous too right
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before a large audience but you feel
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like you know you're not eat i think
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would be easier because you could just
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be yourself and boiling readers are used
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to New byline showing up sugar varying
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styles whereas you step step up to the
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be writing and sounding and appealing to
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the exact same you right there's one
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single spotlight on you and if you put
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if you're writing for boy and then
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you're in a kind of a bizarre
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environment like with which is brightly
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lit and people are shouting from all
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are you nervous to appear here on the
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show with me almost definitely no more
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nervous because it's like high-profile
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because this is episode two of the the
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reboot could be you know i don't i know
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i'm i think I'm more nervous than you
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know I which is unusual and I you like
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the next time you'll be back right
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you'll be back next time
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next I hope so it goes well I'll be back
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we did I I mean I i I'm I'm friends with
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dan and I na and I respect him and what
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he's created everything and and um I'm
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sad that you know the
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for how things have developed but I'm
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good friends with you and I really have
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always enjoyed conversation with you
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it's just something that's a part of you
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know it's on the list of one of the best
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things of that i have in my life so that
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that opportunity I would not pass that
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sponsor reads and he asked me far more
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obviously it has to change
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equivalent of the directors commentary
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on daring fireball it works yay let's
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because I feel like this is the
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take the show in the name right right
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you want to be nice about it and you
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no because you hang up on me now I want
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always had an Benjamin serving to keep
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about a million unrelated topics they
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entirely different dynamic the new show
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is John Gruber unhinged John Gruber
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talking to himself jumping from
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unrelated topic to topic it is unfocused
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to the hilt and embarrassing to listen
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to so yeah I guess you're right banning
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people i think people do think i'm doing
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well you know there's that means you're
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doing something right if you give you
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get someone stars on there and you know
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what who needs him who need them you
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the first show came out last week I did
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a little you know mention search on
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Twitter and my favorite one that i came
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across was from I think like a teenage
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british kid and he just said ruber your
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new show is bad and you should feel bad
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i should have read that when I would
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have taken less time it's pretty good i
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will tell you what everybody out there i
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encourage you to be honest I
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I'm not afraid of honesty so be honest
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get on itunes leave an honest review and
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i'll read next week i'll read a few more
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of the highest-ranked whether they
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most helpful reviews on itunes of let's
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imagine that it's a good segment um my
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favorite like this line from last week's
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episode was when you guys were talking
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about the mat connection lady you would
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describe as you're describing how they
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might have arranged the picture and and
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your voice you gave voice for the team
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and they end your voice was just a Sally
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mind if we take a picture but it was
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very letter many of Letterman of you you
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know what and adds an important thing
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I'm so glad you mentioned that because
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this is an absolutely i mean it just
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shows I quite frankly just how poorly
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i'm doing with this new show is is that
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we made a grievous error was not mad
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connection it was Mac warehouse
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well same diff I you want the the
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instant messenger at the moment I'm not
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is it easy yes sure i will send you I
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have the picture you remember this
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tell because you're pretty young
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oh no I I definitely like my dad
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subscribe to those catalogs and and I
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definitely poured through them right
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did you see email it to me now but I
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want maybe if you do Mac warehouse cover
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babe idea and I I'm knot no it didn't
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are out on flickr that's just the name
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of the the flickr page i did I wasn't
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alright how about Mac warehouse cover
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lady see if that works
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google it I'll email it to you I don't
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remember to gotten there by now you have
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email on this computer
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all right they do right on
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alright check your email and there she
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very Swedish looking right center but
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it's exactly like molten I talked about
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there's something about her with it
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maybe it's clipart maybe she was a model
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brought in to pose for the picture and
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maybe she really was answering the phone
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that I don't think they have the
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sophistication to come in because you
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can see there's there's obviously like a
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yeah what is what OS is that system 6 or
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something on now but that photoshop
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that is far too sophisticated with it
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she's and she's very attractive but has
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thin lips like her the earth their lips
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are too thin to be a model right and
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she's got like those nineties eyebrows
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peeking through the church bangs that
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love it i would go to homecoming with
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Miss conflated Mac warehouse with matt
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connection that's why I'm a connection
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was inferior they didn't have the the
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lady since they have a lady now you know
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what I would love to have her on the
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talk show that would be a big get if you
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could find out who she is
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yeah that would be fantastic anybody out
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and I mean I don't know that we could do
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a whole hour but maybe we could but we
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could certainly do a good segment I'm
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going to say she's like maybe 26 in this
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picture so which would which would make
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her you know in a little late forties by
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I would say so great so what what things
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there any apple so if you want to talk
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about definitely maybe I should do
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maybe I should do the first sponsor read
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and you you should give me some some
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pointers on this because I this is one
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damn Benjamin did better than I do the
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sponsor Prince mandan was good at like
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ok well i think about it better work out
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it got to do it i gotta get 10,000 of
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trail is right let's get the the
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talkshow meta discussion out-of-the-way
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long story short it was a business
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disagreement long-standing and
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dan the co-host is obviously very
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popular and extremely talented is
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extremely good at what he does and I'm
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super proud of the work we did together
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and I think we had some lots of good
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shows in some some great shows
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dan the owner of a podcast network i
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have long-standing disagreements with
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why did I take the talk show with me
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because I love it and I felt like if I
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felt like my choices were reduced to i
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dunno show I go elsewhere do a new show
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go elsewhere and do the talk show
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I didn't want to do know show and I felt
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if I went elsewhere and did a new show i
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would be leaving my beloved talk show
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behind at five by five and I don't think
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Dan would have kept doing the talk show
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with without me but that's where it
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would have SAT dormant and I just
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couldn't bear it right well you could
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well first of all yet that business bad
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bad as in nefarious but disagreements in
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business come between good friends all
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the time and it sucks when it happens
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but it's it's a legitimate legitimate
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reason and then you there there could
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have been measures put in place to you
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know 2222 agree that if the talk shows
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left behind then then it's then it then
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it you know ceases to be so I don't
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think they're there would have been a
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worry of then taking it over and
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exploiting the name now my worry wasn't
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better be taken over and Exploited my
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this to see something that i view as my
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second most beloved child creation left
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in what is considered a bad spot right
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right well do so so that you you I I
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understand it's interesting that you put
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in if you frame it like that as a as a
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birth as a child but i honestly think
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that you gave birth to something other
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other than just what it was called um
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and I think you you don't you definitely
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did you you made it you made a big
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statement by taking the name with you
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made and and now it's it's it's yours
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it's like you it you can do what you
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want with it including renaming it now I
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don't want I mean like you know you've
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said you've said repeatedly I'll think
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about it like that's food for thought
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and i think i have a feeling that you're
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gonna you're gonna you're gonna keep
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doing exactly what you're doing which is
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that which is absolutely also that's
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what you should do but I but I'm
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speaking for myself as a fan when I say
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what you've created is going to live on
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no matter what it's called
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even if it's called pickin boogers with
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John which I think it should be still
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your baby 1 star I mac stuff that's
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talking about the big week i think was
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about two weeks ago a little bit less
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than two weeks ago I wrote a thing about
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that called ios6 low-hanging fruit
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trying to predict what Apple might be
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doing next in an iOS right and I here
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being that that that the phone could
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seem to the casual observer to be
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feature complete very very close to it
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well that it used to be the first few
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years they that it was kind of easy to
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make predictions about what they would
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do next because there were some glaring
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and I want to talk about this with you
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is that one of the first times I can
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recall on seeing something that you had
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done online was back and I think with
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2008 it was early definitely when you
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did a you did a concept video on how
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copy and paste might work on the iphone
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right which is interesting in a few ways
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because one that whole hate let me just
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show you here's my UI idea and i'm going
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to put a concept video on YouTube or
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Vimeo or one of these things you early
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on that that was like a new thing at the
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eventually they did ad copy and paste
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and yours was kind of a sensation got
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picked up everywhere everybody I'm
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bukkake linked it i'm sure i don't can
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hope I like to know now and we've never
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talked about this huh
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now you know it killed me it killed me
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that you did what you did was he wrote a
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piece the next day he wrote a piece on
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daring fireball about why you didn't
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think that apple would put copy and
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pasting in the iOS in will in like
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anytime soon and and 44 like front for a
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week without knowing you for a week I
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just hated you but I kept reading and
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then we and eventually we got we got we
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were at each other and got to be friends
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when did they add when did they end up
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adding copy and paste it wasn't until
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the second version of the OS right so it
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was 2008 well the phone came out 2007
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that's when I made the video i think in
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like december something again you know I
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might have been another year it were
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when with when did they release the next
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the next phone I June June of 2008 so
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might have been June I'm but ya mind
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mind mind was an interesting idea with
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two finger taps but it you know they
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didn't they didn't end up doing that but
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um well it's funny how you like your
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your your video I i love the idea but I
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feel like your idea and i'll link to it
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in the show notes people can go and
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watch your original concept video which
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very funny thank you and it's only funny
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are in hindsight as your online persona
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has become more established and and
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widely known like at the time it is very
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consistent with the atom Lisa right now
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but at the time I didn't know Adam Lisa
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gore and I'm not going to spoil anything
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but the way that it ends so this is it
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just seems so absurd and right yeah
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certain letter yet but that's my dumb
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voice my dummy or voice behind bob bob
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borchers I guess right your idea that
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was largely and I don't it's kinda hard
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to explain but it it was just your base
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mostly it was let's take the loop which
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was already in ios4 placing the
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insertion point and as you're dragging
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that around to figure out where you want
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to start a copy our selection to copy
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and paste you could add a second finger
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to the screen which would put you in a
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different mode right at which point you
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would just drag your finger like a
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highlighter to make the selection and
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and then cut correct yeah and then when
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you wanted to paste you would place the
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insertion point with one finger then
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still holding that first finger on
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screen add a second finger which would
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bring up a little dialog box with your
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last few clipboards and then you could
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tap one of those to paste right so the
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problem with it and a reason Apple went
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with something different is that it's
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not visual right it's something that it
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that you would have to know before yeah
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it's not discoverable at all right here
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and there are things in iOS that are
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like that but they are either always or
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ideally always but if not always almost
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always short cuts to things that there
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is a visual way to do that if you can't
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see it it might as well not be there so
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that's why you know the actual
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implementation of copy and paste is very
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it's this right there in your face
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little pop-up thing that that makes
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these options explicit yeah but
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seriously it was well done
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thank you you know it's alright it all
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worked out and speaking of highlight
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highlight working like a highlighter
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isn't the highlighter in ibooks just the
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most delightful you I think that exists
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yeah except i invoke it accidentally too
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often i do you really yeah I I don't
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know but it's happening less than less
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so I feel like I'm I'm getting used to
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I haven't figured out how to not
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successfully on the highlight stuff i
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guess so in that way it's very much like
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a real skeuomorphic highlighter do you
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i-i've i know i've spoken to quit then
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formerly of New York Times and now he
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does Mixel really cool collage
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collaborative ipad app and coins even
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written about it but the New York Times
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a while back it's like a javascript
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thing where as soon as you selected a
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word on a webpage on the new york times
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it would pop up a dictionary definition
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of the word right there
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mhm which is stupid right because it
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breaks something that people know how to
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do so you just double click on a word to
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select it and all of a sudden it was a
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double click not selecting orders like
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if you double click on a word it would
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make a definition will double-click
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already has a meaning it just means i
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want to select this but the reason it
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was especially problematic for me is
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that while I'm reading an article I
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didn't even really know that i had this
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habit but I I just sit there and play
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with the mouse and like select words and
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and make text elections while I'm
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reading just like like an idol fidgety
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thing sure you fondle you found a boy
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does the same thing and said it drove
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him nuts and and he was gonna crack some
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oh yeah well there have been all sorts
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of bad attempts that giving meaning to
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words that are not links from without
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any other extra hot keys to enable them
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double underline crab advertisers are
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doing or even I think there's this
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company app sure I don't over there
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what's going on with them but they're
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trying to they're trying to enable
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search on top of every single word in a
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alright so like when I'm reading on the
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iphone or ipad like in safari sometimes
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I'll just move my thumb up and down a
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little bit and just make the page go up
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and down just slightly just like a
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fidgety type thing and I feel like in
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inadvertent highlights is that I would
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just sort of touching my I just wanted
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to touch the screen finally and then all
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of a sudden I've got a highlight but
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when you want to make a highlight i have
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to admit it is delightful really don't
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like his looks really good
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right and that aana somehow they're
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really really good at at this all at the
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the parallax offset of it's not really
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going underneath where you touch its
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underneath where you think you're
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touching right right it's very accurate
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um I I can't believe that it took the
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mac OS so long to make like control
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command D over any word bring up
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dictionary and yes and search every i
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use that constantly it's one of my
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yeah I do too i used to always when i
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was reading paper books always had like
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a personal policy that if I ever
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encountered word that I didn't know I
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would either look it up if there is a
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dictionary handy or write it down and
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then look it up when i got to a
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dictionary you and I wasn't always
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scrupulous about it but it was always
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thought it was a good policy that don't
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just pretend that you know the word if
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you encounter a new word look it up now
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and carry a dictionary in your back
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pocket is a good now I did not know they
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yes big pants yeah so what do you have
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any idea what do you think apples going
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to do next long story short there that
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the low-hanging fruit is pretty much
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gone like everybody knew that's the
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thing about the copy and paste from
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2007-2008 in its kind of crazy to think
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back that we had these phones that that
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we loved but they couldn't copy and
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paste text or anything
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yeah it's kind of crazy to think about
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going back to that like oh yeah
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as frustrating as it would be to travel
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back in time pre iphone it would be
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pretty frustrating to travel back to
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even the original iphone maybe like it
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can even copy and paste so what do you
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i don't i don't know i mean i get you
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obviously you talked about every certain
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mentioning that maps google maps are
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gonna go out of the phone and Apple is
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going to have its own solution and I
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think that it's it might not just be
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like a one-to-one replacement with just
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a new backend of of a mapping service
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and and new interesting delightful Apple
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front end is going to replace this
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google friend that's basically been
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pretty much the same since the first
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iteration right i mean with with little
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accoutrement is added the new you know
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in in navigation on the new google maps
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it's nice to have three options of good
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roots right but other than that it's
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still frustrating to use it's not really
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intuitive think doing things like that
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are sort of user you very you I
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sensitive just for usability like while
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you're actually maybe in a car looking
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at a map and you need to get a list you
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need to get over to listview is like
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three taps yeah um and and I think that
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Apple could I mean I definitely solve
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those types of problems but bo what if
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they just whatever they're just going to
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put a new a new spin on the whole idea
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of mapping that there isn't super
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obvious I mean what if it's is this this
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could be done but I mean well first of
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all they're probably able to integrate
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across all their services like contacts
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and everything a little bit better in
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Thai in mapping and social and I don't
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know but that doesn't that's that's not
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really interesting maybe I mean there's
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I know there's sort of a movement to to
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figure out the problem of to figure out
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the problem of I don't know whether you
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would call it micro mapping or whatever
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like locating things and and inside of a
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I'm just very very much refined your
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location they might have an interesting
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solution to that but no it's not obvious
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to me do you think here's my big
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question with Apple taking
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the map data into their own hands is do
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you think that they are also going to do
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yeah that is an interesting question in
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my mind first thought my thought is no
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example doesn't do stuff like that but
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if they don't do a website how would you
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email directions to somebody from your
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phone right well you just have to hope
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that their iOS as well um yeah I guess
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it could operate on the Instagram model
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where there's maybe there's just a
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simple a very very simple web version of
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over map but nowhere near as complex as
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google maps all right no yeah i mean
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they don't they don't apple doesn't
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traditionally do stuff like that well
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right but they don't even try really
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yeah i mean when i get it there's like
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there's like locate my you know find my
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iphone and said and the the actual the
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actual the iCloud website is pretty
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robust never spend any time on which you
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wouldn't need to because it it's all the
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the front and front is that is all of
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the apps that are on your Mac but when
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you actually spend some time in the
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browser in and like fish around all this
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um it's actually quite pretty yeah now I
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don't know I feel like they kind of have
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to but maybe I'm you know thinking about
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around and maybe they were willing to do
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that inhabit so that you know if you're
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going to send directions to somebody
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they better have an iOS device you
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same goes for the iCloud photo and
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video-sharing which 1i know the wall
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street journal reported a bit ago was a
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going to be a major new feature that
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you'll be you'll be able to you know I
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don't worry i think they even explicitly
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compared to compared to flicker or maybe
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even facebook or something where you
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could take your family photos from your
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iphone share them through your iCloud
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account and then the thing that caught
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my eye was that it said to other I cloud
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users because if it's not a website how
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else would they do it let alone whether
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they even you know whether they want to
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draw that sort of privacy circle of
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everybody you're sharing with has to
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have an iCloud account I i think a big
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part of that is the practical point that
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if you don't have an iCloud account how
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would you do it if they don't do it on
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but on the other hand they do you know
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they've already had things like you know
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the me.com photo albums which were on
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the web on your me.com account
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yeah and did you ever use any of that
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crap i'm not really i mean going back to
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idisk days and all the way through it
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seems like the parent of the kind of
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thing that parents use right but but you
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know we don't use that stuff because
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there's MIT they're way better solutions
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right um so I don't want to see what i
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mean i guess like I'm curious to see
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what apple's next iteration of the
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gallery would be but again they don't do
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social well so how useful could it be
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alright nice just for 121 sharing then
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again it's like this it would be very
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hobbled yeah that's it
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it doesn't feel like they ever really
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did a good job with it i mean i might I
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don't jump on most social network type
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things I mean most of them don't appeal
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to me but when i find 1i like that i
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just use it so for me for sharing photos
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to people who always been flickr just
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because that's why flickr became so
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popular was just seemed like than the
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nice balance between obvious and ease of
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use and easy shareability that you
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didn't you know make things that you
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could share privately which required the
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other people to have I think I flickr
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account and then you know if you didn't
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really care who saw the pictures you can
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just do it and point people at the URL
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and everybody could go see it
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what could it be possible that Apple is
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planning big things for the web but they
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still want everybody to have an iCloud
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account even if it's not a mobile-based
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viewing experience right i don't know i
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don't really think so it doesn't seem to
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me like Apple has done very much at all
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to encourage people to sign up for
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iCloud if they don't have an iOS device
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I mean even can you can you just go to I
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don't even know if this is possible i'm
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pretty pretty sure I feel like you can
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but i guess i've never not had a nice
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device like since I was a baby
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I'm trying to see what happened to sign
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says right here iCloud and this is me
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signing in on chrome where I don't have
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em I already signed then if you go to
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iCloud that comment says to use iCloud
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first set it up with your Apple ID on a
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device with iOS 5 or mac with OS 10 lion
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10.7 point2 so now it looks like to get
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an account you need to be using one of
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the matter up but i don't mean I'd hood
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you could just use somebody's mak make a
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guest account sign up for free iCloud
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account and then go home to your you
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know HP whatever things are called right
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you know um I didn't think of another
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set of features are you like just a
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usability enhancements that I would love
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to see in the next version
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ok it's it would be like instant on
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connectivity like I'm a huge remote user
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right with the road app my apple TV and
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that is the there's always eat as soon
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as the phone goes to sleep there's
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another three-second 324 seconds of of
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reconnection to do before you can use
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the damn thing again like they got to
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solve that pretty pretty well I wonder
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if they could wonder if a big part of
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that could be solved with the the new
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bluetooth i forget if the new thing is
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bluetooth for bluetooth is for yeah
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that's for but that the whole emphasis
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the whole point of it is is reduced
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power and prolonged battery life during
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idle time i'm sort of emphasis but that
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would require new hardware it's not
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really a new software you know not new
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software in and of itself
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well although deuces maybe the new phone
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does have the bluetooth for the other
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new the new phone definitely has
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bluetooth for while they're making out
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but that but the appletv dozen so maybe
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the next Apple TV's gonna it would have
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that will have some of that stuff in it
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but it's weird it's like it's so
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difficult to imagine an apple where
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they're just relying have
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Leon bluetooth for even though they're
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even though they've had bluetooth and in
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all their devices for since since since
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it just seems like such a kind of old
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and dying like a dinosaur of a standard
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to have to build around
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yeah definitely does i don't know
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there's something about it that doesn't
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but on the other hand I think that the
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fighting the most surprising thing to me
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about the current apple TV is that it
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still uses infrared for the remote right
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which just seems so super antiquated
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does but i think it's like it's almost
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like a barrier to entry thing they just
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want to make it as easy as possible
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which it is right like as long as you
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can handle you interacting with the
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thing with four buttons then you're fine
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and but you still even with the IR that
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you still run into problems where you
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know the laser you get and the more
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slumped down on your couch you are maybe
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this is mine maybe he's just my TV
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posture problems picturing you watching
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TV with your legs up at the top of the
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couch right you're you're sort of
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hunched over with your head on the floor
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make cereal the coffee table starts
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getting in a way you know that you've
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run into these weird line-of-sight like
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line-of-sight seems like something that
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we shouldn't have to worry about anymore
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definitely and you know and if you get
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up and run to the fridge for refills you
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should be able to pause you know even
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though you're not line of sight to the
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that's interesting it's interesting like
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you whereas are easy to Italy automatic
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pausing so into this so you will or if
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you just have the right if you have the
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remote your hand you should be able to
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do it and you can do that when you use
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the remote app because it's over Wi-Fi
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not line-of-sight right so if you've got
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some time in your hand like all be in
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the vibe every once in a while I'll be
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in the bathroom like with my iphone and
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I know that my girlfriend is in the
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bedroom with the apple TV on she's
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watching a show and I'll just dumb
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I'll take a picture of myself and then
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airplay the TV just to say hi
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is that is that weird
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she doesn't find it so funny is this
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where it is it weird though that I would
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that flag ask you to CC
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me on that list that I'd like to be on
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that I'd like to be on that list
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well it's so this guy like that is a
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good chuckle it is a good chuckle just
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i'll start a tumbler with all my my
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bathroom selfpics I'm really having a
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hard time coming up with ideas for what
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I don't know man I don't know if I'm I
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my creativity is at refining I i don't
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know if i'm missing something obvious
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like one of the reasons I wrote that
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piece on during fireball two weeks ago
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was to get people to send me emails with
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all the obvious things I was missing and
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I got some good ones but nothing that
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really jumped out at me as oh my god how
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did I not think of that you know i don't
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know it's just I think that there it
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just speaks to the to the pace at which
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they're they're catching up to the ideal
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it again it's like remember there was a
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time when we were all waiting for the
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next Mac to come out because we needed
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more speed and we need more power we
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need more hard drive space right
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eventually they just caught up and we
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could we were you know we're thinking
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geez if that what is going to be in the
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new 1i don't even know what I need
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anymore and I'm so then what happens
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when I mean like if your days sort of
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allow you the camera to the global
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picture what did happen is that they
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started concentrating on a new platform
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so is that the new way that is that the
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way to think about it I mean is there a
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definite like is there sort of a
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slightly different platform that's
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coming next on which they're going to
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start iterating slowly that makes it
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makes more sense to me and feels more
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right than anything else and I don't
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think I definitely don't expect them to
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do is to make any kind of big changes to
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the stuff that's already there in iOS as
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we know it on the iphone and on the ipad
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just for the sake of saying there's
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something new mm you know yeah no
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totally they know that that's not the
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game that there and that's the other
◼
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hardware manufacturer right and as much
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as they get Apple get so much press when
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they make a big announcement
◼
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I mean just almost unfathomable amount
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of of worldwide media attention when
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it they are not afraid of not making
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changes they're not afraid to keep
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things the same even though the people
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►
want to be wowed and blown away like
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►
I've asked about you know the fact that
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the iphone 4s when it's turned off looks
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almost completely identical to the
◼
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iphone 4 by far the biggest money-making
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product and in apple right now and I
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think arguably the single most
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profitable product in any industry in
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the world and the brand-new model for
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the year looks exactly like the old and
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the answer you know is if we could think
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of something that was way better and it
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was different we would do it and if we
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can't find a if we're not ready to make
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anything that's we think is way better
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we're not going to make something
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different just to have something
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different right now does does does John
◼
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Gruber ever sit at home and think about
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what's what's coming 10 years in the
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future and twenty i do and i come up
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blank i'm terrible at absolutely
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well I mean like your if you just like
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to pie-in-the-sky just like it should
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►
think you know space exploration robots
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are all around us what it was human
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►
computing human-computer interaction
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look like I would think that it's you
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know it's essentially invisible and the
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hardware as pretty much disappeared or
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as is is omnipresent like that it's get
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that level of pervasiveness that we
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don't even see it anymore so i would say
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that the the next steps in the
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development of the world's largest tech
◼
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company is going to be you know
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incrementally reaching towards that and
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i think that the way they do that it is
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it is an every new generation of
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technology they start with something
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small and not at all obvious and not at
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all popular straight like like
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I guess we historically speaking at the
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tail end of the developer of the like
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feature completeness of the mac they
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start working on the ipad and people
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were saying it's ridiculously expensive
◼
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and why would you need that and then
◼
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eventually that sort of developed with
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an ecosystem into what's what working
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we're kind of saying is a device that
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feature that's nearing feature complete
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and and so that it's like certain it's
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now it's kind of time to like come up
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with the new ipod and what the hell is
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that I mean like I'm one of these people
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who actually firmly believes it's the TV
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like the job the big screen now is gonna
◼
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is going to be the new thing that it
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seems like the dumbest idea in the world
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but then slowly develops over the next
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alright but there's some kind of angle
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we dancing because I mean I will admit I
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will fully admit that I my idea for the
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iphone you know when it won 2006 like
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the year before it actually came out
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when the rumors were super rampant I
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mean people have been talking about an
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apple cellphone for years but then it
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really accelerated beginning for the
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obvious reason that they actually were
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doing it and and while the details
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didn't leak the fact that they were
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doing it just inevitably made it
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permeated the the collective
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my idea was an iphone or an ipod that
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yeah you know and that the you would you
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know in the same way that you would
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spend the click wheel up and down to
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pick a song you would spend the click
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wheel up and down to pick one of your
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contacts and press the middle button and
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it would call them and it would be good
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sorry good and I thought it would be
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great and then but in all the same
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barriers existed to achieving that that
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kind of exists in in this
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kind of exists in in this
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Nason TV world right now they still have
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all the huge behemoth infrastructure to
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completed to like ingratiate themselves
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with right and so my idea for apple TV
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is I don't know I guess exactly like my
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TV with the actual apple TV connected to
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it except you don't have to connect
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anything and then it's super obvious
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enough to make phone calls with it right
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and I'm sure it's just as wrong as my
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idea that the iphone would be an ipod
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with the click wheel so I'm you know I'm
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it's fun to be wrong though right that's
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that's like the fun part of what we do I
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alright i'm not a nun at the least bit
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embarrassed to be wrong about that
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because I get you know might be may be
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no fun at all if you could accurately
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yeah gross right I cannot expenditure
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did the iphone introduction day and
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event was like one of the happiest days
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me too and if i had predicted that it
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would have been like while I was there I
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by any chance did you see the trailer
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for the other teaser for the master when
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you called paul thomas anderson now I
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did not go and watch it right this
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second well not right this second but
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like you said you know anything about it
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now it's sort of this it's loosely based
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on the on l ron hubbard huh yeah well
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should I could I could watch it and then
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we could have caleb take care of the oh
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yeah go go and watch it going short
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that was terribly exciting i was really
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good i don't know i just find I think
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that he's the most exciting for a
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director right now like he's he's he's
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the younger version of the terrence
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malick or something I our you know there
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is a Kubrick night i agree i see it
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ICL any edge of sort of Kubrick the
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Mallik to PT Anderson yeah just the guys
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that are not afraid to take things very
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well and in a way of us an understanding
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of the art of cinema that it can stretch
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a moment to unbelievable length
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well that's an interesting way of
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putting it i like that and I'll tell you
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what just out i'll tell you what that
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that there's two parts of this trailer
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there's a part on a beach visually it's
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one conversation but what you see
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visually is looks like some Navy guys or
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something on the beach but then it cuts
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uuc then these this interview that's
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taking place between two characters
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what did that remind you a lot of the
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interview in The Shining oh yeah
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definitely other room is very so very
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similar with the walking phoenix AZ
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Jack 20 yeah um I think that every with
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you have to come to with a little bit of
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knowledge of what the the story is and I
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think it's that will it's that it's the
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origin story of El ron Hubbard and this
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and his knee is his new nose neophyte
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the right word is new like wingman
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anybody find that he discovers to help
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is you know his thing and that and I
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know that there's like in Scientology
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there's this tradition of the like very
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military sick but not like navel and
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analog in a naval analogy to to the
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whole structure of Scientology so i
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think that what we're seeing is that
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where we're watching the background of
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this may have the the wingman character
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mhm I you know I don't know anything
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about it is it it is it about
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Scientology no it's not but it's about a
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figure like l ron hubbard ah got it so
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it's not really doesn't it got it sort
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of Solon Citizen Kane was to first
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yeah exactly exactly right so that's
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three comparison and and it's Philip
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Seymour Hoffman as their own Hubbard
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character haha perfect yeah perfect man
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I so I you know what is coming out one
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movie coming out pretty soon pretty soon
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all right so you got to come back on and
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we'll talk about the movie
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okay great alright gotta get that back
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on the show will get these movie reviews
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back in the meantime you can always
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check out some VHS VHS cassettes of the
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master the TV show with Lee Van Cleef as
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an as a master ninja and Timothy band
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Timothy Van Patten as a sidekick from
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1984 man that'll make a Mike Lee Van
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Cleef anymore no I don't the mustache on
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the many kidding me he was and he was
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missing the tip of a finger didn't know
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oh man that's whether the great things
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about him and you know of course Sergio
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anytime you see a close-up of leave and
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cliffs hand going for his pistol get a
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lock he's missing a finger tip I mean
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that you can't fake that kind of
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badassery you know he lost that a bar
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fight or something but yeah somebody bit
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yeah i've got probably him you know like
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you know you mean like they're right
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so in your usual humble way you have
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described it accurately i would describe
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it as that that Morgan Spurlock has put
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together the Avengers of commercial
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directors and you're in there I've
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don't know which will see right nineteen
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ninety nine percent of the time you're
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Bruce Banner you know in nobody would
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like you when you're angry
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your pants are ripped yeah well that
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part is true right soso could be could
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I'm you know there's always been the
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threat of like doing these small ones
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course it's a whole different ballgame
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ballgame when you're doing that because
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responsibility and I'm just kind of
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mostly that's it is curiosity to see
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whether I can whether it's something i
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can actually do you say anything about
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what you're working on right now you you
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that you are editing yeah I'm editing
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two things here at at pictures in a row
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and Hollywood one of them is is the most
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fun project I've ever gotten to work on
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because it's like it's for a new video
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game coming out the trailer and I've
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never gotten to do that before and i'm
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not a huge gig video game player but i
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will this is a it's an interesting take
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on an old format i can't say much more
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than that I wanted to be about like a
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nice surprise and it comes but some
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heavy hitters are behind it in the games
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and in the game's world and like it's
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just a lot of fun because it's like it's
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it's playing in a world that I've always
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been partial to since I was a kid games
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are big business now huge right i mean
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it and i'm wrong i might be might be if
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i'm wrong correct me and you should know
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this but there's more money spent on
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video games now then spent on motion
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the number and i know that it could
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easily be true could be that a video
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game costs 200 million dollars to do
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well but also that like the amount of
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money that by us consumers spend on
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video games is more than what they spend
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I'm but at the very least they're in the
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oh absolutely in the same ballpark and
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then the model is sort of similar to
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with the studio's cranking out the big
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hits and they sequels and everything big
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opening weekends and promotions 22 to
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herald the arrival and teasers like you
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exactly what you're doing trailers that
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will advertise you know release dates
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yeah then we'll do you do you play games
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with the boy we play some games on the
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yeah but he's he got a d/s for Christmas
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and he loves it and it was interesting
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to me because I wasn't sure whether you
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know he also has like old we have so
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many old iphone sitting around so he has
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access to iphones and he does play
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iphone games to but so is interesting to
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me with the Des appeal to somebody who
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if you already have unlimited access to
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an iphone four games with the d/s appeal
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to you as well and the truth is not
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surprisingly it does because nintendo is
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very good at what they do
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mom and i think that the d/s games he
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likes are far more immersive than the
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iOS games that he likes sure I've played
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yeah that's what he has it three guys
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okay that's pretty neat yeah it's
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because and I generally don't like 3d
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you know that and I think part of the
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reason that I don't like 3ds is right
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Roger Ebert alley where I go to a movie
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and you put these glasses on me and
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forget the whole 3d 2d thing it's
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everything looks dark and there's no way
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to to make up for that movies look
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better when the ball was right when the
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picture is super bright and you put
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these glasses on and everything gets
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dark and so I've already disappointed
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every time I see the 3d movie because of
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that the 3ds doesn't involve any glasses
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you just look at it and and to me that's
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an enormous difference right I need to
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me any 3d technology that requires
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glasses that everybody who was involved
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in making this stuff ought to be looking
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for ways to get rid of it
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sure what I was at the office and my
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office i have a TV like a TV on the wall
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that's actually 3d TV because it
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actually doesn't cost much more than 24
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a 3d enabled TV and and then the glasses
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class 50 bucks and i happen to be like I
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love 3d i love 3d movies
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I'm all-in um and so I bought a few
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blu-rays and easy and i love the
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experience the glasses i can see how
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they get in the way to like domination
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but but when i when i tried all my
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friends iphone 3d I mean what it is
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yeah the nintendo 3ds without the
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glasses and it just works you just have
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to have the right angle of view and then
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the feeling it gave me is like when
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book for the first time
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yeah and I remember I've played you know
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a couple of games I've and I'd it's one
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of those things where I don't play as
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many that my whole reason i got on this
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was that I don't play as many games with
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him on the wii as much because he's on
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the 3ds and it's a no he's just all
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personal experiences right but but I've
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the mario kart and but i think it's most
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it in a little bit of 3d and it really
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a way that it's just it's not really
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useful but it's just joyful when screens
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very smooth like from a practical
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perspective the 3d effects applied to a
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2-d game doesn't really serve any
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purpose but it just somehow makes it it
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does make it seem more fun is a question
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I have to go back to the iphone for a
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second and just talking about that 3ds
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made me think of it why what that way
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okay so that's the the rumors of the for
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the 4-inch sixteen by nine iphone screen
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right what the hell happens to the
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millions of apps they're coded for you
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know one and a half by one or whatever 3
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well it's funny you should ask i just
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wrote about it before we started
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recording i'm good i think that for most
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of them that it's sort of like the way
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know like Safari like the you know the
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URL bar stays at the top and the other
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buttons stay at the bottom and then
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there's just more room in the middle for
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content and it's the same way that apps
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flexible in that regard like if you are
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on a phone call hit the home button
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while you're still on the call and go to
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mail that double-height green status bar
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it's double-height it doesn't cover
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male-male squishes the window down so
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that it gives the status bar an extra
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you know 40 pixels or whatever it is
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mhm on so i think that if developers are
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using the api's right to respond to that
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sort of thing that when the app is
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launched on a phone with more pixels
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it'll just go up there and grow now the
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big exception and i'm sure it's why you
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thought about it is games because games
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don't have like a flexible content area
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right so like a list of mail messages
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well the screen shrinks are grows
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horizontally you just show more or fewer
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messages in the list but a game is sort
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of hard coded to a specific aspect ratio
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and i'm not quite sure what the answer
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yeah it's a tough it's a tough one
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because it's for designers who are just
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precious about every pixel and see it be
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really really frustrating how many extra
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pixels it's 1130 6-1 970 276 pixels and
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it's only six it's a about a half an
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yeah that's a lot to deal with
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so like if you let her boxer or
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pillar-box did or whatever you want to
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call it with it you know it wouldn't be
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I think that one solution to it is if
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that an app is hard-coded only to have 3
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by 2 UI elements that it would just be
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letterboxed and yeah you know it
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wouldn't be profound you know wouldn't
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be still a huge black bars but there
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would be black bars i'm i'm excited that
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the screen is going to finally be
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sixteen by nine for video because i
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always feel weird watching video and you
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have to choose which is the lesser of
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two evils to you describe into it
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ideally the letterbox all right products
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and I think that's one of the reasons
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they're going to do it as that you know
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and and why did they do it from the
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outset I don't know and they're never
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going to explain themselves but my
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thought is perhaps it was just a
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technical problem that you know and and
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to me it's about at the tension or a
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major source of tension in the design of
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these mobile devices is that you want
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the smallest physical hardware device
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possible and you want a big screen and
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thatthat's there's tension there so the
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way some of these android phones have
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gone as if they've just will slack in
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the tension on how big the devices and
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said screw it will just make a phone
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that's actually not even that
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comfortable to hold in one hand but
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you'll get a big screen and I'd I expect
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holy expect that if if it's true that
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Apple's doing a 4-inch iphone that the
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actual phone itself will not be any
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the same size if not even smaller just
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so they can be coy about it because if
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you just turn on your iPhone and look
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there's plenty of room on the screen for
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it to be at a taller display they just
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shrink the chin and forehead areas a
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little bit right corner in the other is
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a range of quarter-inch down is any
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other heart phone maker doing or retina
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equivalent display it i think so i think
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HTC I think some of the android guys are
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up in the 300 and some pixel range per
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inch and and that's you know I think
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anything over 300 by Apple's definition
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counters retina true but a lot of those
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guys it's in it's it's I'm just so glad
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I don't have to really write about him
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and try all those phones like the
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engadget that's because it'll some of
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them use the pentile AMOLED and that it
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doesn't really count as you know right
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now because they're cheating on the
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sub-pixels and and it just looks gross
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when you look at those amoled displays
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yeah but I don't know what the answer is
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four games I don't know
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and then what happens because the other
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thing too is that what happens to a game
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that is optimized for the 16 deny phone
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when it runs on the 32 iphone a smart
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game with gaming the i think is
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definitely the hardest thing to answer
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on that because then you you would run
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the same thing as what are they going to
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do profit on a three-to-two and you're
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missing some stuff on the side of the
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the game that will work
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alright alright you're going to have to
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code the game so that it takes it does
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I don't know it's weird but um amazing
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still with that with those limitations
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how extensible the the platform is
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definitely just put all that power in
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the developers hands and I do think too
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i think that the I think that the the
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big big use cases for these devices
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especially the phone every week always
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call it the phone but you know the phone
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is just like the lamest of the things
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that it does but it's a camera right
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it's everybody's pocket camera right and
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I'm you know a little bit of a camera
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I have like a that Rico that you know
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that i carry around a little
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pocket-sized camera and I mean it's a
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pic i paid a hundred dollars for it so I
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mean I my point-and-shoot camera cost a
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tinderbox which you know I think
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qualifies me not as a professional but
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as a sort of prosumer idiot who spends
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eight hundred dollars on a
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point-and-shoot camera and I I you know
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I don't know when I bought that around
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2006-2007 a long time ago but in camera
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you know if you're a camera nerd type
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type of guy and I'm just not tempted to
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replace it because i use it less and
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less and less than I just shoot all the
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you know if i'm not using an SLR my big
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fat canon 5d that i'm using the iphone
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and i think a 69 display makes way more
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sense for a camera i agree it's not it's
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not a for it's not an aspect ratio that
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any I think there's like what may be one
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panasonic stills camera that shoots and
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sixteen by nine natively right but I can
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definitely see it being becoming more of
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a popular form at all because I mean
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because a it's exactly the same as what
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we see on our tvs everyday i think
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that's that's awesome right i would love
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I even sometimes like when I shoot a an
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iphone still or irregular still with my
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normal camera i call crop it to sixteen
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by nine just because I know as more of a
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film look to it as soon as cinematic
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right right that was exactly you just
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took the words right out of my mouth
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that I you know people have said to me
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and I get in all sorts of great smart
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emails from readers and listeners but
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one of the things that people have held
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up as I don't think apple is going to go
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16 29 is that the 423 camera 2423 camera
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still photo ratio will be even worse
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worse fit than on the existing phone so
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my answer to them is exactly what you
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said who says that the camera still
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going to shoot for 23 right why not just
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do co16 tonight if if if the screen is
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69 why not just go 69 on the images to
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yeah it's ok it's a clear wall it's
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interesting questions so you know if
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you're on your camera and your shooting
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is still i'm just going to look at this
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shooting is still and you've got that
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full I don't know it's four by three but
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it's like it's not a 16 by 9 frame is
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taller than that and then you switch
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over to video mode and then the I'm
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trying to figure out does the sensor
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widen out the are you getting more image
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and video motor you can I are getting
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less on your debt you're definitely
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punching in and remind that right i had
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a theory but that it was a dumb thing
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right now it's a crop but that's why and
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that's arm just throw-in it as what's
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that thing called the olloclip ever seen
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yeah let's look for dr. that's the whole
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that's like the major point of that fish
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eye lens on the audio clip I didn't
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realize this and and many many months
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ago on the on the show dan and I talked
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about the other clip and I i said i love
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the wide angle i love the close-up lens
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the macro lens i don't get the fisheye
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lens because it's so preposterous Lee
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fish-eyed yeah the kids comedy lines
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right right except and then I went to
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Macworld Expo and I met ala clip guys in
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there just 22 of the greatest guys you
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can imagine just exact type of like
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entrepreneur making their own thing like
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I just the type of guys i just love to
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guys who just had the idea to make this
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thing and sell it and and it's you know
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became a hit and I said look I just
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don't get this fish eye lines it's so
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comical it is and yet it's a huge chunk
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of the actual hardware thing would be so
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much smaller and more easy to put your
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pocket without it and he said well
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people do use it for ourselves but the
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big point is that it's great for video
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because the videos on the iphone shot
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crop sensor and with that ridiculous
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fisheye it actually just turns it into
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like wide-angle lens for video and as
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soon as he said that was like oh duh can
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perform that super useful and at that
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that's where people use that all clip
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fisheye lens is to shoot video smart but
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anyway they just 169 across-the-board
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all sorts of things become a little a
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your you shoot 16 29 photos they show up
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on your phone and there's no crop and
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then you just see what you shot and then
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you show on your TV that they show up
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exactly as they were shot yeah and you
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know it just looks better because our
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that's why widespread is it is wide
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screen looks better because you know
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we're used to seeing things panoramic
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Lee yep i love 16 by 9 name my first kid