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202: The Partial Monty


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  incomparable number 202 july 24 [TS]

  welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

  podcast I'm your host Jason Snell it's [TS]

  episode number 202 and are like fifth in [TS]

  a row fourth in a row episode where we [TS]

  detail the nominees for the hugo awards [TS]

  the awards that I was paying attention [TS]

  to as a kid there by science fiction [TS]

  fans voting for the favorite science [TS]

  fiction stuff of the year we have will [TS]

  try to get the spoilers kind of light so [TS]

  you can maybe discover some of these [TS]

  things a lot of the stuff is available [TS]

  short stories are largely available [TS]

  online books of course are available for [TS]

  you to purchase and so we're going to [TS]

  try to not totally spoil everything but [TS]

  I maybe you will discover some [TS]

  interesting things to read as we discuss [TS]

  some of these things that have been [TS]

  nominated for awards which is usually a [TS]

  pretty good sign [TS]

  not always but usually joining me to [TS]

  discuss the this this year's a batch of [TS]

  Hugo's as always is my compatriot in [TS]

  reading scott McNulty hi Scott [TS]

  hello God you did you do all the reading [TS]

  i know i didn't I did I read all the [TS]

  novel's I read all the short stories I [TS]

  read half the novelettes and none of the [TS]

  novella alright thats that's your your [TS]

  your in my ballpark actually there so [TS]

  get out of my ballpark now I just [TS]

  wandered in here all right [TS]

  yes we left the gates unlocked that [TS]

  happens is security is quite poor David [TS]

  laura is also out there David you [TS]

  haven't done one of these before [TS]

  hello hello what well you know I have a [TS]

  fear of mirror grant novels so what did [TS]

  you read i rid most of the retro hugo [TS]

  nominees [TS]

  excellent ok so we should explain that [TS]

  that in addition to the best honoring [TS]

  the best stuff from the last year the [TS]

  retro Hugo's are honoring the best stuff [TS]

  from 1939 from 75 years ago and and [TS]

  David read a lot of that stuff along [TS]

  with Monty Ashley hi Monty didn't David [TS]

  and Monty are are representing the past [TS]

  the distant past and then we're [TS]

  representing the the recent past now i [TS]

  also have failed to and introduce my my [TS]

  fourth guest [TS]

  it's erica and sign who herself is a [TS]

  hugo nominees this year for the very [TS]

  podcast which is nominated in the best [TS]

  fancast categories we g-guys the [TS]

  nominees are here dick that actually [TS]

  took me by surprise when you said that [TS]

  because I was all ready to sit down and [TS]

  talk about the books and stuff yeah oh [TS]

  well that's right there's that thing we [TS]

  will not talk about the best fancast [TS]

  category because we're not gonna put you [TS]

  on the spot but Faraday is a wandering [TS]

  look Cass and you are up for a hugo [TS]

  which is super awesome [TS]

  it gets my vote oh and we stand and [TS]

  those of us who paid for memberships do [TS]

  get to vote so i think we have voters on [TS]

  this on this episode [TS]

  yes I mine yes i know i'm a voter I'm a [TS]

  voter i am to monitor you voting i'm not [TS]

  a voter this year you do me no good if [TS]

  you want to tell me what your vote for [TS]

  the review goes you can have my ballot [TS]

  for the record you going to talk about [TS]

  that vote for galactic patrol yeah I [TS]

  read that 1i ok maybe you can have my [TS]

  vote anyway we'll get there we'll get [TS]

  we'll get there so it's so we got a [TS]

  couple things to go through here and and [TS]

  we've read sort of different parts Erica [TS]

  what if you read of the of the stuff [TS]

  that's been nominated i have read all of [TS]

  the short stories novelettes and [TS]

  novellas and i finished two of the [TS]

  novel's gave up on two of them and [TS]

  haven't started on the wheel of time [TS]

  alright yeah i should point out when i [TS]

  said all the novel's I did not read the [TS]

  wheel of time right [TS]

  I wondered about that is not a novel but [TS]

  rather a series of novels on nominated [TS]

  together i read the first 60 pages of [TS]

  the wheel of time to get ready hiring [TS]

  out a few thousand yeah hi I tried to [TS]

  read it many many years ago and knew [TS]

  that I was not going to finish [TS]

  no just like the author and the author i [TS]

  was doing 14 times when he was still a [TS]

  lot yeah so that kind of girl so when [TS]

  they announced that they were going to [TS]

  continue them i went [TS]

  ya know so let's let's get started with [TS]

  the the modern Hugo's and talk about a [TS]

  best novel let's start there [TS]

  that's the big one and then move into [TS]

  the short fiction picky the big game [TS]

  hunting [TS]

  yes I thought it was interesting short [TS]

  fiction too but we'll start with we'll [TS]

  start with best novel five nominees in [TS]

  this category we can start by mentioning [TS]

  the wheel of time I haven't read any of [TS]

  it they were nice enough to put it in [TS]

  the voter packet so I now have these 30 [TS]

  books or whatever it is all welded [TS]

  together in one beep up so gigantic one [TS]

  kindle book file so gigantic that when i [TS]

  tried to send it to amazon amazon said [TS]

  this can't be a book it's much too large [TS]

  i try to send it like three times and [TS]

  there's like no sorry [TS]

  nope stupid gets to insanely big I [TS]

  haven't read i haven't read it I've [TS]

  heard from people who read it and said [TS]

  they liked it when it started and then [TS]

  over time it just kind of kept on going [TS]

  and they and they dropped out the author [TS]

  died and then they brought in brandon [TS]

  sanderson to finish it because it had [TS]

  never been nominated for you go before [TS]

  it was eligible in this loophole in the [TS]

  rules to be nominated as a complete see [TS]

  realized work so it's in the category [TS]

  and as a whole as all the products I [TS]

  don't think technically it's a loophole [TS]

  because it is spelled out in the rules [TS]

  it's hard getting ridiculous rule then [TS]

  in order to this rule it is not a [TS]

  loophole okay fair enough i did it [TS]

  it's a rule that makes sense if you [TS]

  think about i think what it was supposed [TS]

  to be for 4c realized works like like [TS]

  the green mile which was published [TS]

  bit-by-bit seven actually a winner [TS]

  a few years ago connie willis is [TS]

  blackout and all clear which was [TS]

  literally a novel chopped in half and [TS]

  published by mean they didn't publish [TS]

  and then cut the books in half HR the [TS]

  manuscript to happen published it as two [TS]

  books i just want to clear about that [TS]

  but it was one story and it was [TS]

  nominated together and one and that was [TS]

  a perfectly reasonable i would say use [TS]

  but this is decades of books stitch [TS]

  together into one nominee anybody out [TS]

  there read enough of this to make a [TS]

  comment about the wheel of time I [TS]

  attempted to read the first book many [TS]

  years ago and i got about 200 pages in [TS]

  and the the character was like still [TS]

  trying to walk out of his village and I [TS]

  thought okay I'm done nothing further [TS]

  than I did [TS]

  yes i love love love the journey song [TS]

  though I really wanted to read the first [TS]

  to last book and see if I could guess [TS]

  what happened between if there are any [TS]

  characters and common do come [TS]

  wow that was a funny idea then only [TS]

  that's called to eating than practical [TS]

  just tweening between the two books see [TS]

  what happens in the meantime just a [TS]

  computer could do that [TS]

  alright well the time is there i didn't [TS]

  i didn't tackle it either i might try to [TS]

  read some of the first book just to get [TS]

  a sense of it before i put the cast my [TS]

  vote but like I can't talk about another [TS]

  book that got nominated was ancillary [TS]

  justice we've already talked about this [TS]

  on at least i think three episodes of [TS]

  the incomparable because it was a Scot [TS]

  recommendation for the best of his [TS]

  favorite book from last year and then we [TS]

  did an episode where half of it was to [TS]

  us talking about it and then in our [TS]

  nebula Awards episode it was nominated [TS]

  for and won the nebula award we also [TS]

  said very nice things about it there [TS]

  that's right i can go back and listen to [TS]

  all three for those episodes now hooray [TS]

  so head it'll get my vote for the hugo [TS]

  yeah i think the worst thing I'd say [TS]

  about it was that it seemed like there [TS]

  were too many ideas in it which I now [TS]

  think is a good thing it's not a decimal [TS]

  of of criticism that's not so bad [TS]

  Erica did you read ancillary justice i [TS]

  did manage to finish it like just under [TS]

  the wire i think it was last night [TS]

  finished with what did you think what [TS]

  did I i really liked it I'd it was not [TS]

  an easy read it actually felt like a [TS]

  little bit of a slog from time to time [TS]

  but it was very much worth the effort [TS]

  i would say yeah I would agree with that [TS]

  and i agree with Monty I think it does [TS]

  have maybe a few too many things thrown [TS]

  in that made it needlessly complicated [TS]

  like as we said in one of the previous [TS]

  episodes I feel like while the the fact [TS]

  that the language that the character is [TS]

  speaking doesn't have any concept of [TS]

  gender and so she is used to describe [TS]

  every character in the book except a [TS]

  couple very specific points i thought [TS]

  that was an interesting idea it brought [TS]

  to mind the left hand of darkness at the [TS]

  same time I felt the book was much more [TS]

  about like personality and identity than [TS]

  actually about gender and I [TS]

  don't like it was an interesting trick [TS]

  and yet didn't seem as connected to what [TS]

  the book was about as some of the other [TS]

  stuff that's in there so it felt like an [TS]

  idea too much [TS]

  see I think you're right that it wasn't [TS]

  connected but that was why i liked it i [TS]

  feel like if it had been if it had if [TS]

  that had been one of the things that [TS]

  they were sort of she was hitting us [TS]

  over the head with I think that it would [TS]

  have been one idea too much but i like [TS]

  the idea that was just just sort of [TS]

  permanent background tapestry of this [TS]

  world and just something you had to [TS]

  learn to accept it's also the first book [TS]

  in that she's written and the first book [TS]

  obviously in this week universe that [TS]

  she's going to revisit and it you know [TS]

  it's hard to differentiate the trappings [TS]

  of the universe and the culture from [TS]

  what happens in this book and I imagine [TS]

  that the the gender stuff is more about [TS]

  the culture that she's built up here [TS]

  then it is actually about what the book [TS]

  is but you can tell because there's only [TS]

  the one book right now so we can tell [TS]

  it's a good book though you should read [TS]

  it thats that's what we're saying here [TS]

  is you should read it it's a good book [TS]

  yeah stop listening to this podcast in [TS]

  real reason no no you should listen o [TS]

  keep lachemann to find other books to [TS]

  read 20 that's right there is a there's [TS]

  a short story in the same universe right [TS]

  the next novel is not know [TS]

  alright I Neptune's brewed by charles [TS]

  stross which is a sequel sort of us not [TS]

  a sequel said in the same universe as [TS]

  saturn's children which was nominated a [TS]

  few years ago which I read but uh [TS]

  totally unconnected honestly and you [TS]

  don't need to have read 12 if read the [TS]

  other this is a wild space on this is [TS]

  not charles stross 'as / near future [TS]

  Scotland kind of thing or tech expert [TS]

  you know near-term tech-focused this is [TS]

  his wild crazy and broads opera sort of [TS]

  thing and get boring Scott fairness [TS]

  expand on that please can I just felt [TS]

  like i was reading a book about [TS]

  economics that had fallen through some [TS]

  kind of time hole and ended up on my [TS]

  desk with a little story put into it too [TS]

  padded so that i could learn about slow [TS]

  money and fast money and media money and [TS]

  how the bank's bitcoin and bitcoin and I [TS]

  was [TS]

  I don't care about any of this I don't [TS]

  understand what this character is doing [TS]

  she's a like a what is a financial [TS]

  archivist who is looking for some kind [TS]

  of laundered money and I just didn't [TS]

  like it I i kinda liked it [TS]

  I see what you're saying completely it [TS]

  is i was laughing at several points and [TS]

  trying to explain to my wife this book [TS]

  i'm reading is essentially about an [TS]

  accountant a space but a space [TS]

  accountant a space forensic accountant [TS]

  and and and and a space a con game and [TS]

  and then at some point she's turned into [TS]

  a mermaid right and in order to find out [TS]

  more about the design some financial [TS]

  documents just seriously it is it so i [TS]

  was i was kind of amazed by just how [TS]

  wild a a conglomeration of ideas this [TS]

  was because you haven't even mentioned [TS]

  the the pair the parasite or not pairs [TS]

  of the Pirates the space pirates the [TS]

  space account pirates who are actually [TS]

  account also accountants or the and [TS]

  likely and red monkey people are dog [TS]

  people or something to there in like [TS]

  animal animal pirate yeah accounts [TS]

  back-to-back-to-back people that's what [TS]

  they are none of them are actually [TS]

  people right because people are meat [TS]

  yeah that's right there that's actually [TS]

  a really nice point to that the that [TS]

  human beings in Neptune's brood are in [TS]

  this universe are extinct essentially [TS]

  and there's there's a cult that kind of [TS]

  like keeps them around reconstitute them [TS]

  every now and then but they can't seem [TS]

  to keep them alive we're like the their [TS]

  human humans are like the guinea pigs of [TS]

  this world when you try to get the out [TS]

  its diet diet again is so I mean I [TS]

  thought it was ambitious but not for me [TS]

  yeah I i don't know i like the the mug [TS]

  it it's a Moorish kind of MacGuffin plot [TS]

  with all these bizarre economics thrown [TS]

  in and like I said I I i enjoyed the [TS]

  fact that this character is bouncing [TS]

  from place to place in this crazy [TS]

  widescreen sci-fi universe it enough [TS]

  that the fact that then we would have a [TS]

  chapter explaining future economics [TS]

  didn't bother me so much but it's [TS]

  totally a weird but [TS]

  Erica did you read this one I read the [TS]

  excerpt that was provided by orbit into [TS]

  the hugo packet and honestly I'm not [TS]

  even sure I quite got to the end of that [TS]

  actually did and it was I felt like it [TS]

  was it was very well written like it was [TS]

  a good use of words and it was an [TS]

  interesting world but I just didn't feel [TS]

  connected to it in any way it was too [TS]

  much work for me to to figure out what [TS]

  was going on as i was reading it like i [TS]

  said ancillary justice was a little [TS]

  sloppy at times [TS]

  this was also very sloggi the difference [TS]

  was I was interested in what was [TS]

  happening in ancillary justice and I [TS]

  wanted to find out what this world was [TS]

  like and what happened next [TS]

  and it was kind of the opposite in [TS]

  enough to intrude i just i really didn't [TS]

  care so if i have time before voting is [TS]

  closed i may go back in and try to [TS]

  finish it be kind of a morbid curiosity [TS]

  she didn't care that the main character [TS]

  got to the mystery of what was in those [TS]

  ledger books [TS]

  yeah there is there is a key scene on a [TS]

  on a moon of Neptune or no moon of [TS]

  Jupiter where there's books in a library [TS]

  that have important numbers written on [TS]

  them and then there is a descendant deep [TS]

  into the depths of a giant ocean in [TS]

  order to find out more about accounting [TS]

  so yeah you're not selling it to me so [TS]

  maybe i will stick with the wheel of [TS]

  time with two I feel like the descent [TS]

  into the depths I didn't the center of [TS]

  the depth is actually a pretty [TS]

  interesting part of the book it's it's a [TS]

  it's a nice kind of climax to the book [TS]

  but you cannot deny the fact that what [TS]

  they're really doing is trying to find [TS]

  information to be exchanged about [TS]

  financial transactions [TS]

  oh it's crazy it is a bizarre bazaar [TS]

  book but I kind of enjoyed it but obey [TS]

  because i was along for the ride of the [TS]

  of the of the wacky plot but man there's [TS]

  a lot of monetary policy in there too if [TS]

  I had read it in a vacuum without [TS]

  cramming it in with a bunch of other [TS]

  books that i was actually comparing it [TS]

  to i think i would have enjoyed it a lot [TS]

  more just because it would have I think [TS]

  maybe filled the space a little bit [TS]

  better [TS]

  it would have been distracting motor [TS]

  rated in a vacuum because of that loud [TS]

  sucking noise now that's just like a [TS]

  grand sport [TS]

  yes [TS]

  so we have two more books to talk about [TS]

  uh I wanna I i actually just finished [TS]

  warbound by Larry Correia which you know [TS]

  ok so there's some controversy about the [TS]

  hugo nominations this year because [TS]

  there's this feeling that they were sort [TS]

  of a slate of candidates who were sort [TS]

  of a conservative Republican or [TS]

  right-wingers or moderates or whatever [TS]

  you could get are libertarians or [TS]

  whatever there but there was a sort of [TS]

  ideological pushing the feeling is that [TS]

  somebody's people around on the [TS]

  nominations list because there was a [TS]

  slate that was put out there that people [TS]

  voted for I believe Larry Correia the [TS]

  author of warbound is one of those [TS]

  people believe he was kinda I think he [TS]

  said he I think he may be did the slate [TS]

  yeah warbound his book three of the [TS]

  grimoire chronicles which so a series i [TS]

  did not read the other two books but I [TS]

  did read all of warbound did anybody [TS]

  else read this book i read it what you [TS]

  think Scott I thought it was better than [TS]

  its title was like I agree the title the [TS]

  title the title is Erica did you read it [TS]

  I haven't finished it I beg briefly [TS]

  ragequit and then I come back I will [TS]

  come back to it again if i have time its [TS]

  it well first off it should be called [TS]

  like spellbound or something because [TS]

  there's a character in it who's got the [TS]

  spellbound thing but it's called [TS]

  warbound like we're off to war sort of [TS]

  and it's not very good [TS]

  ok so that we don't like the title go [TS]

  ahead Scott I thought it was [TS]

  entertaining i mean i don't think so my [TS]

  problems with Hugo's and we've talked [TS]

  about this before is that I always [TS]

  thought of them kind of like science [TS]

  fiction's answer to the Oscars but [TS]

  they're really the people's choice [TS]

  awards which are far less prestigious so [TS]

  I mean if people like to read this kind [TS]

  of stuff which i think they do it's easy [TS]

  to read I can see how it can be [TS]

  appealing to some folks i read it very [TS]

  quickly so i didn't reach quit so that's [TS]

  a good thing [TS]

  yeah I thought it was entertaining kind [TS]

  of like bubblegum kinda you know kind of [TS]

  a paperback I could imagine like in the [TS]

  the fifties seeing this in the drugstore [TS]

  for like a nickel [TS]

  I liked so I I I thought it was [TS]

  perfectly confidently done I i thought [TS]

  there were aspects of it that I thought [TS]

  were quite clever just in the sense that [TS]

  it's set in this world of magic but the [TS]

  way magic really works is he describes [TS]

  it at several points as being it's more [TS]

  like physics that is multi-dimensional [TS]

  and hard to understand so there's this [TS]

  component of on top of its like this [TS]

  isn't just well there's magic it's sort [TS]

  of like trying to explain it and that [TS]

  there are creatures that live in the [TS]

  other dimensions that are battling and [TS]

  what we see is this emergence of magic [TS]

  is actually this battle between these [TS]

  two different kind of creatures one of [TS]

  whom is the prey of the other 1i thought [TS]

  that was all kind of interesting [TS]

  the characters are flat he's trying to [TS]

  he's trying to give it this honestly on [TS]

  a marketing level he's trying to get [TS]

  this hard-edged noir detective feel I [TS]

  think in part because he feels like [TS]

  that's a really cool shandra and knowing [TS]

  a little bit about the politics at work [TS]

  here i have to say it i think he is [TS]

  afraid to commit to it being steampunk [TS]

  which is actually what it is because [TS]

  steampunk is perceived as being kind of [TS]

  more girly and Lefty [TS]

  then perhaps a conservative Republican [TS]

  author would like to be involved with [TS]

  but I gotta say this is the steam this [TS]

  reads like steampunk magic to me not [TS]

  like hard-bitten or detective in the [TS]

  main character [TS]

  I you know I get the sense that he's [TS]

  trying to come across as this [TS]

  hard-bitten former p I and it doesn't [TS]

  play that way to me it plays much more [TS]

  as a fantasy with it's got airships and [TS]

  for God's sake it is to us and said [TS]

  Buckminster Fuller building some kind of [TS]

  crazy gadgets crazy gadgets so yeah but [TS]

  I I enjoyed all that they're there is a [TS]

  moment early on where one of the [TS]

  characters actually be picking up from [TS]

  last episode we talked about Yankee [TS]

  Doodle Dandy and the framing sequence [TS]

  involving Roosevelt there is a sequence [TS]

  involving Teddy R franklin roosevelt in [TS]

  this too and that was the moment where I [TS]

  almost ragequit the book Erica because [TS]

  that's the moment that [TS]

  the moment where Roosevelt's like oh [TS]

  well you know the rest of us basically a [TS]

  cartoon villain then we're gonna put all [TS]

  the people in camps who have magic we're [TS]

  going to round them up and put them in [TS]

  games and and the and the main character [TS]

  and he's not [TS]

  turns out not the main character one of [TS]

  the characters says something about i [TS]

  I've learned that the government always [TS]

  comes to take your stuff and government [TS]

  is the enemy and must be something like [TS]

  oh jeez here we go who is John Galt and [TS]

  honestly that's sort of all that i ended [TS]

  up getting from that it's sort of what [TS]

  it abated and then it never came back [TS]

  but that was that more was rolling my [TS]

  eyes like yes Franklin Roosevelt is a [TS]

  cartoon villain telling you all the [TS]

  evils of government in the middle of a [TS]

  war which he was really bad at Wars you [TS]

  know Roosevelt he was very bad at those [TS]

  so welcome to wait until he died [TS]

  um well I was I was rolling my eyes [TS]

  pretty hard at that point [TS]

  yeah that was not the moment that I rage [TS]

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  hobbies and I didn't mention programming [TS]

  i mention web development development [TS]

  databases game design you name it [TS] has courses that can make you [TS]

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  incomparable what did you whisper what [TS]

  made you rich quit it was later on where [TS]

  they're getting onto this airship that [TS]

  is crewed by pirates and all kinds of [TS]

  real tough guys and they're going to go [TS]

  off and do some some crazy tough-guy [TS]

  stuff and the main character who's at [TS]

  that point we were hearing the story [TS]

  from his perspective is talking about [TS]

  why there are no women on the ship [TS]

  because the fair sex really shouldn't be [TS]

  out in this kind of just kind of stuff [TS]

  except there's one woman already on the [TS]

  ship because she was already a member of [TS]

  the Pirates but strangely the first time [TS]

  he met her she tried to seduce him and [TS]

  christy is like Lady origami whoa you [TS]

  know [TS]

  no this is good they're going to be no [TS]

  other characters that I can relate to at [TS]

  all I mean I enjoyed enjoyed reading the [TS]

  bit of the book that I did until I got [TS]

  to that point because it was fun [TS]

  actually the most powerful character in [TS]

  the book is a woman yes and I didn't [TS]

  pick that up at the beginning but that [TS]

  yeah I was a little too late sort of [TS]

  things yeah I got something something [TS]

  that is the perspective of the character [TS]

  versus the perspective of the book and [TS]

  since it's set in this old reality [TS]

  twenties the fact that this guy might [TS]

  actually be a sexist pig is like well I [TS]

  could kind of get that [TS]

  I don't know absolutely yeah I have no [TS]

  true i have no problem with characters [TS]

  in books having different opinions for [TS]

  me that's fine but the fact that this [TS]

  was one of the main characters and there [TS]

  was clearly going to be a pretty [TS]

  significant part of the plotline [TS]

  centering around this airship and what [TS]

  was going on there to recognize that it [TS]

  was just gonna be one big sausage party [TS]

  is going well um yeah that's not really [TS]

  what i mean when i signed up your so [TS]

  yeah I will I will pass so I read the [TS]

  whole thing and I thought it was [TS]

  confidently done and you know i haven't [TS]

  read enough sci-fi novels this year to [TS]

  say definitively that it wasn't one of [TS]

  the five best but I have a hard time [TS]

  believing it was able to fight wasn't [TS]

  one of the five guys it's fine i mean it [TS]

  wasn't awful was not as your ship but [TS]

  why couldn't they are there Zeppelin's [TS]

  yes there are gotta check for clear [TS]

  career but I mean for people who would [TS]

  say oh well you know i'm not going to [TS]

  read these books that are nominated by [TS]

  this late and all that we read it and [TS]

  you know it was fine it was fine [TS]

  whose phone again i will probably come [TS]

  back to it if if i have time I'm [TS]

  actually kind of intrigued by the first [TS]

  two books i probably won't read them [TS]

  having jumped in book 3 but I like i [TS]

  said i kind of like some of the word [TS]

  world building here especially that I [TS]

  think he did absolutely it's a [TS]

  well-crafted a well-crafted world and I [TS]

  kind of wanted to play a little bit more [TS]

  in it which is why i was i think extra [TS]

  rayji when I got to that point it's like [TS]

  really i've been having fun here you [TS]

  know and now Phil and if this were the [TS]

  first book i probably would have read [TS]

  the second and third book since I've [TS]

  read the third book I don't really feel [TS]

  that I need to read the first and second [TS]

  because I know it's gonna get ya wanna [TS]

  know what the revelations are the first [TS]

  things look so yeah you read the first [TS]

  book and then guess what happens in [TS]

  between that's what we call that the [TS]

  Monte the full Monte actually know [TS]

  you're going to get a partial Monty [TS]

  wouldn't ya fractionally because you [TS]

  don't read the middle alright let's [TS]

  let's move on so on author who has been [TS]

  a participant in every single one of [TS]

  these is mirrored Grant who was [TS]

  nominated again this for her new trilogy [TS]

  which is the parapsychology trilogy [TS]

  because we put an interview / last last [TS]

  year and the mirror grant is back [TS]

  this of course is the pen name for Shawn [TS]

  Maguire who has written a lot of other [TS]

  stuff too but she writes under mira [TS]

  grant this series uh [TS]

  books just as you did the newsflash [TS]

  series which is about zombies and [TS]

  bloggers and this was parasite now I [TS]

  scott and i have been on the record as [TS]

  not liking mrs. Graham's work in the [TS]

  past i'm not sure that came across yeah [TS]

  I guess it'll be subtle about it i think [TS]

  don't mince words bones what do you [TS]

  really think but Erica had did you i [TS]

  know you i saw that you took it out from [TS]

  the library i did so do you have [TS]

  thoughts about parasite back to be [TS]

  really really liked it [TS]

  I I as a matter of fact I read the [TS]

  excess blood guess is over i'm i'm just [TS]

  so merrily kicked off you can [TS]

  comfortable it's nice talking to you [TS]

  guys we had one rule no go ahead [TS]

  I i hate to say someone's opinion is [TS]

  wrong hugo nominees all stick together [TS]

  oh that's right fixity i read the [TS]

  excerpt and I wanted so badly to keep on [TS]

  reading that I immediately the next day [TS]

  went out and checked out the book from [TS]

  the library and i will say that i [TS]

  genuinely loved about the first half of [TS]

  it and then things started changing and [TS]

  stuff started happening a little bit [TS]

  fast and furious and I didn't that I [TS]

  wasn't quite as on board for the second [TS]

  half of it but I still enjoyed it a lot [TS]

  and i would say that of all of the the [TS]

  books and the bits of the books and [TS]

  novels and novellas and novelists that [TS]

  I've read that and ancillary justice are [TS]

  the two that like when I wasn't reading [TS]

  them i wish i was reading them and I [TS]

  think actually even more than ancillary [TS]

  justice parasite has popped into my head [TS]

  afterwards I mean I'm sure you guys wish [TS]

  you hadn't had dogs on the site i'm [TS]

  wishing I hadn't read it simply so that [TS]

  i could read it again ah so you're so [TS]

  here's what I'd say is I see a [TS]

  progression I've said this and when we [TS]

  read the third newsflash book i see a [TS]

  progression in these books where I feel [TS]

  like she is a better writer every time [TS]

  out i think i think the quality of the [TS]

  writing was much better here I thought a [TS]

  lot there are still things that bugged [TS]

  me about her style i still feel like she [TS]

  could really use a good editor because i [TS]

  think that there's redundancy I think [TS]

  there's too much kind of stuff that [TS]

  happens that is on just totally [TS]

  unnecessary what I said about one of the [TS]

  newsflash books is like literally when [TS]

  we [TS]

  going from one end of the building to [TS]

  another and nothing happens in between [TS]

  but we're going to walk you through [TS]

  every quarter that happens I feel like [TS]

  there's still some of that and it's very [TS]

  chatty which I don't I don't love i [TS]

  think if you if you really fall into [TS]

  liking that voice [TS]

  it works better and it kind of graded on [TS]

  me at times but i think i think this is [TS]

  so much better than feed my big my [TS]

  biggest problem with it is that I feel [TS]

  like she wrote the entire book expecting [TS]

  that the ending would be a surprise and [TS]

  it's obvious from the first sentence if [TS]

  not from the book cover what the story [TS]

  is going to be and I felt like either it [TS]

  either she should do the won't commit to [TS]

  one or the other but in it didn't work [TS]

  for me because I felt like the entire [TS]

  way through [TS]

  um I I felt like she thought I was dumb [TS]

  so dumb that I wasn't going to figure [TS]

  out what was going on when it will see I [TS]

  didn't like that at all [TS]

  I got it I I really thought that she [TS]

  didn't think that she was thinking she [TS]

  was going to be surprising the reader i [TS]

  just got that was the character who [TS]

  surprised at the end and all the way [TS]

  along that it was like we as their [TS]

  readers were in on the joke and we're [TS]

  just watching this poor soul which I [TS]

  that is the biggest reason that I like [TS]

  this book was this this main character [TS]

  this out of all of the things that i [TS]

  have read this year and not even just [TS]

  for the Hugo's this is the character [TS]

  that was to me the most well-realized [TS]

  most like a real person she reacted to [TS]

  things the way that I do and maybe then [TS]

  people i know do she spoke the way my [TS]

  friends talk this was this was a person [TS]

  I could picture actually you know [TS]

  meeting and knowing and you know maybe [TS]

  that's not the most fantastical thing in [TS]

  the world but it definitely makes for a [TS]

  better reading experience for me I [TS]

  really I connected with the character [TS]

  and I think as I said on our television [TS]

  wrap-up episode for me that's what the [TS]

  the most important thing is to have a [TS]

  character that i can convert for that I [TS]

  can get behind i can connect to in some [TS]

  way I think you need better friends [TS]

  oh all this guy wow ok let it flow let [TS]

  us let us live as a kid I did not enjoy [TS]

  this book i read the whole thing I [TS]

  i did also get a like Jason was saying [TS]

  that I thought the ending was supposed [TS]

  to be a surprise at which makes no sense [TS]

  and i thought all the characters who [TS]

  couldn't figure it out who are supposed [TS]

  to be these experts on parasites and you [TS]

  know epidemiology and all this all this [TS]

  stuff and they couldn't figure out what [TS]

  was going on here what are you talking [TS]

  about they do it before the end of the [TS]

  book she will be only one cell was the [TS]

  only character who didn't know and she [TS]

  should have known because it is a hot as [TS]

  if you've ever been through a really [TS]

  truly traumatic experience you would not [TS]

  say that [TS]

  well i have read their grant book so [TS]

  does that time my I was waiting for the [TS]

  time i'm i'm i'm more on Scott side here [TS]

  I have to admit I feel like everybody [TS]

  seems to be too many steps behind here [TS]

  and that it feels like it's trying to be [TS]

  a little more clever than it actually is [TS]

  when we get to the when we get to that [TS]

  point i do again see this is all a [TS]

  matter of degree I I you know the [TS]

  blistering hate I I felt for feed i do [TS]

  not feel for parasite she's a better [TS]

  writer than she was [TS]

  it's it you're I think you're right [TS]

  Erica that this character has a very [TS]

  clear voice I don't I don't have the [TS]

  voice like i said is that are really is [TS]

  her writing style I i'm not a fan of it [TS]

  I I think it's a great grates on me I [TS]

  have to say I think that we're we're [TS]

  that's where Scott is coming from but [TS]

  said like left slightly less of a [TS]

  misanthrope than Scott obviously is that [TS]

  is also true the also have a problem [TS]

  with some of the hand waving that I've [TS]

  seen the same stunts in the previous [TS]

  books there's a lot of like my dad works [TS]

  for the government doing government do [TS]

  things and all that we're sort of like [TS]

  there's big organizations that are doing [TS]

  shadowy things and they just happened to [TS]

  be super important to the plot but it's [TS]

  a coincidence that this all happened and [TS]

  I you know I i rolled my eyes at some of [TS]

  that because it's very I feel like she's [TS]

  got the nut of an interesting idea here [TS]

  I actually do think it's a really [TS]

  interesting idea i actually like the [TS]

  world building here even more than I [TS]

  liked it a news flash which I thought [TS]

  the best thing about news flash was the [TS]

  world she built I i think that there's a [TS]

  lot of detail here that's interesting i [TS]

  think the way that the story is is is [TS]

  pulled out like I said I I think [TS]

  I felt like she needed an editor and I I [TS]

  I felt like we were way too far ahead of [TS]

  the characters but it happened I've [TS]

  never actually read anything else by her [TS]

  this was my first my first experience [TS]

  reading any of her books under any name [TS]

  of any time so I didn't really have [TS]

  anything to compare it to [TS]

  and I and I guess the the hand waving in [TS]

  the Big Show shadowy government [TS]

  machinations and stuff that is 22 to use [TS]

  the phrase it's kind of in my butter [TS]

  zone so no no I think so i really didn't [TS]

  have a problem with that actually was it [TS]

  was just kind of like candy to me I just [TS]

  sort of left the whole thing up because [TS]

  all of that stuff I i very much enjoy a [TS]

  novel that i can just sit down and read [TS]

  and I'm just excited about what what the [TS]

  people are going to do next not [TS]

  something somebody what happens next [TS]

  which is why that the second half of the [TS]

  book sort of went downhill for me i [TS]

  agree with a character meets meets his [TS]

  mother and then all of a sudden eat [TS]

  things just started happening a little [TS]

  bit fast for me I I actually told my [TS]

  wife halfway through I don't know I kind [TS]

  of think this book is ok I don't know [TS]

  what's going on here and then i read the [TS]

  second half was like yeah no that's [TS]

  because everybody was 11 part of this [TS]

  book that infuriated me that ruins the [TS]

  whole book for me and perhaps it without [TS]

  this scene i would not dislike it so [TS]

  much but is when they are driving across [TS]

  the golden gate bridge and they can make [TS]

  a phone call because they're in a [TS]

  Faraday cage which is not true your cell [TS]

  phone works on a bridge it does and then [TS]

  the there's some kind of tracking device [TS]

  on that does work but their cellphones [TS]

  don't that makes no sense and just truly [TS]

  the other way around they were blocking [TS]

  the tracking device and then suddenly [TS]

  the cell phone rings and they gotta call [TS]

  it was like why is that they were using [TS]

  bluetooth so it was like what this is [TS]

  none of this makes sense and you'll give [TS]

  me peace [TS]

  these basic things how can I trust [TS]

  anything that you're trying to spin in [TS]

  these books and just drove me crazy [TS]

  well I will say this for her she she has [TS]

  young female protagonist and all of her [TS]

  novels and the voice is very strong in [TS]

  all of those characters and I can see [TS]

  why she has fans presumably a lot of [TS]

  fans in that demographic because that's [TS]

  she's good at that [TS]

  that'sthat's she totally that is what [TS]

  these books are all about and and it's [TS]

  too bad her other books are about [TS]

  zombies could you not care about that [TS]

  and bloggers zombies and bloggers and [TS]

  how they make great tastes that taste [TS]

  great together [TS]

  zombie ish sort know they're much nicer [TS]

  than zombies these tapeworms that are in [TS]

  this book [TS]

  Jason you'd you touched on another thing [TS]

  that I really liked about it was just [TS]

  sort of the idea behind this book I mean [TS]

  even without spoiling anything at the [TS]

  beginning this character has amnesia and [TS]

  doesn't remember anything and I loved [TS]

  thinking about what life would be like [TS]

  with absolutely no past having to [TS]

  relearn everything from scratch and it [TS]

  just that idea has haunted me ever since [TS]

  I read this book actually that was my [TS]

  favorite thing about about the book was [TS]

  that the main character is trying really [TS]

  hard to live down this other person who [TS]

  she was not who is this who was in her [TS]

  in her body but you know she's got to [TS]

  live down all the stupid things that [TS]

  that that that the previous tenant of [TS]

  this body did I I thought that was [TS]

  pretty cool [TS]

  yeah like I said it haunts me i didn't i [TS]

  didn't really buy the whole oh she's six [TS]

  years old and she doesn't know anything [TS]

  yeah she's learned in six years but then [TS]

  she knows all these phrases that she [TS]

  some phrases she is perplexing to her [TS]

  but other phrases like colloquial [TS]

  phrases she knows and she and i found i [TS]

  find mirror grant has these she likes to [TS]

  write about these weird uncomfortable [TS]

  sexual relationships and that i styled [TS]

  like this the this woman who is [TS]

  basically we're told has the the [TS]

  mentality of a six-year-old although she [TS]

  is a legal of legal age has a very [TS]

  intense relationship with her boyfriend [TS]

  which I found uncomfortable and her [TS]

  parents find it uncomfortable to so I [TS]

  thought that was good but I was just [TS]

  like this kind of gross [TS]

  yeah yeah I didn't find it gross because [TS]

  she didn't have the mentality of 60 know [TS]

  that the the personal history of a [TS]

  six-year-old the the again again one of [TS]

  the the problems I have with it is sort [TS]

  of like they're people who are it's like [TS]

  those movies that low budget movies [TS]

  where they say he's in the military and [TS]

  they don't specify what service and [TS]

  maybe there's like a green jumpsuit and [TS]

  it's like sure that's a uniform [TS]

  it's a little bit like that where where [TS]

  it's sort of like he isn't from the [TS]

  military and he works for the government [TS]

  and there's this big corporation and [TS]

  then her boyfriend is [TS]

  he's a he's a parapsychologist it's like [TS]

  wow the 5 25 characters that you need to [TS]

  have to tell this story are five [TS]

  characters close to her [TS]

  interesting right it's just it's it's [TS]

  trains a little bit but you know you [TS]

  ignore those things if it's working for [TS]

  you and you don't and you pay very close [TS]

  attention to them if it's not the spell [TS]

  is broken and that is that's just how it [TS]

  goes [TS]

  it's true but I could understand how [TS]

  someone would like this book yeah yeah I [TS]

  in a way in a way I you know did you [TS]

  agree with me Scott that there's some [TS]

  progress here over the course of the the [TS]

  Ark of my her grant i hope that i can [TS]

  stop following me regret progress but [TS]

  I'm i will say that she is getting [TS]

  better [TS]

  absolutely absolutely no doubt alright [TS]

  well you know [TS]

  ah ancillary justice is going to get my [TS]

  vote here so and Scott's so it made and [TS]

  mine [TS]

  alright a parasite will be number two [TS]

  however i'll put that although i'm gonna [TS]

  have no award and parasite yeah yeah [TS]

  yeah I i think i may actually go [TS]

  insularity justice and then Neptune's [TS]

  brood and then were bound and then [TS]

  probably no award followed by parasite [TS]

  in the wheel of time just go but no no [TS]

  if you're voting no award don't put [TS]

  anything underneath it or your votes [TS]

  could actually go about things you put [TS]

  under no award well be careful in the [TS]

  way you vote for the hugo okay fair [TS]

  enough [TS]

  night I just like to put things below [TS]

  know a word because i feel like it looks [TS]

  like an extra burn but yeah definitely [TS]

  not expecting that you might actually [TS]

  end up voting for them because that's [TS]

  how the mathworks yeah it's tricky [TS]

  who's speaking of how the mathworks I [TS]

  just want to make a little plea to [TS]

  everybody who can vote to vote for all [TS]

  of the quote-unquote like little or [TS]

  second half category so you know yeah an [TS]

  artist and writer all of those things [TS]

  this is going to be the biggest worldcon [TS]

  in history and if a category in Hugo's [TS]

  does not get at least twenty-five [TS]

  percent of the voting numbers like not [TS]

  twenty-five percent of the people who [TS]

  vote for anything have to vote for each [TS]

  category in order for it to be carried [TS]

  over so you know look for the best fan [TS]

  artist or say best fancast do not even [TS]

  have an award put forward because not [TS]

  enough people voted in the category if I [TS]

  want to take a break to tell you about [TS]

  something that you should try audiobooks [TS]

  listen to a podcast right now podcasts [TS]

  are great ways to hear people like us [TS]

  talking about things that you're [TS]

  interested in [TS]

  but you know you got to leave a little [TS]

  time for fiction in your life and that's [TS]

  where audio books can be great there is [TS]

  also great nonfiction that comes in book [TS]

  form things that people have taken a lot [TS]

  of time trust me [TS]

  take it from me writing is hard you want [TS]

  to write really well and then you know [TS]

  people want to listen to your stuff [TS]

  instead of read it what do you do put in [TS]

  an audiobook there's lots of great audio [TS]

  books out there lots of great sci-fi [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  this episode is about the hugo nominees [TS]

  so i went back and i was looking at some [TS]

  favorites that you can check out embassy [TS]

  town by China Mieville we talked about [TS]

  on the previous show it was a hugo [TS]

  nominee medieval city in the city which [TS]

  we talk about our I think our very first [TS]

  episode there's a great audiobook of [TS]

  that the george RR martin game of [TS]

  thrones stuff Dance with Dragons was a [TS]

  hugo nominee a few years ago [TS]

  those are all available to audiobooks [TS]

  you should give them a try and there's a [TS]

  great place that I want to tell you [TS]

  about where you can get started and it [TS]

  is that's that simple [TS]

  www tryout / incomparable do [TS]

  that and I'll know that we send you [TS]

  there and you can find different stuff [TS]

  that you like that site has got a lot of [TS]

  different suggestions in a bunch of [TS]

  different genres if there's something [TS]

  you want to listen to while you're [TS]

  cooking or in the garden they put it out [TS]

  there sort of by like what mood you're [TS]

  in it's a really clever idea try [TS]

  audiobooks so you should try audiobooks [TS]

  visit / incomparable [TS]

  today check out the China Mieville [TS]

  checkout george RR martin checkout [TS]

  douglas adams is just so many things to [TS]

  try and if you haven't listened to an [TS]

  audiobook before you should really give [TS]

  it a go [TS]

  it's a totally different way to read a [TS]

  book and i encourage you to check it out [TS]

  so thank you so much to try audiobooks [TS]

  dot-com for sponsoring the incomparable [TS]

  ah let us move on and what should we do [TS]

  should we let's touch on the let's let's [TS]

  shift gears for a moment in touch about [TS]

  that on the retro Hugo novels while we [TS]

  can just get ready David and Monty into [TS]

  the conversation briefly the you're [TS]

  dismissed before you will be sent to the [TS]

  cornfield again the the retro Hugo's [TS]

  from 1939 [TS]

  personal venus by edgar rice burroughs [TS]

  galactic patrol by e smith the Legion of [TS]

  time by jack williamson out of the [TS]

  silent planet by CS lewis and the sword [TS]

  in the stone by th white I've read three [TS]

  of those but but two of them when i was [TS]

  a teenager and only galactic patrol and [TS]

  i read recently Monty what do you what [TS]

  do you think about the retro Hugo novels [TS]

  well first I think that sword in the [TS]

  stone should not have been nominated as [TS]

  it is part of a larger book it doesn't [TS]

  get published separately anymore its [TS]

  kind of the opposite of the wheel of [TS]

  time situation [TS]

  alright huh because it's part of once [TS]

  and future king right i also think it's [TS]

  probably going to win because world [TS]

  congress in London and it's hard to get [TS]

  more london e10 nature Kate right plus [TS]

  that's one that people have heard of [TS]

  yes they're not trying very hard they [TS]

  may just throw it on there yeah there [TS]

  was a Disney movie made of this book [TS]

  instead of a witch reading the book it [TS]

  made sense to me because i did not much [TS]

  like it it's really goofy but a lot of [TS]

  the humor comes from anachronism but the [TS]

  anachronism no longer work on me because [TS]

  there's things like referring to two [TS]

  nights as though they are British public [TS]

  schoolboys in the nineteen thirties [TS]

  which when you read it as a British [TS]

  person in nineteen thirties you get a [TS]

  fun contradiction thereof oh they're old [TS]

  tiny people but they're behaving like [TS]

  modern times but to me reading it in [TS]

  2014 it's old-timey people behaving [TS]

  slightly less old timely there's a lot [TS]

  of the humor in that book i thought what [TS]

  what else well struck your fancy here [TS]

  well I really like galactic patrol I [TS]

  thought it was super fun space opera and [TS]

  I can really see where green lantern [TS]

  came from [TS]

  yeah yeah it's you know the lensman [TS]

  books I've never read I've read about [TS]

  them and I read galactic patrol and it [TS]

  was very clear to me reading at how this [TS]

  sort of stuff [TS]

  first off I saw the line from this to [TS]

  something like foundation [TS]

  oh yeah we're we're which was written [TS]

  what 10 years later he's [TS]

  of 10-12 years later not that long [TS]

  really in the grand scheme of things [TS]

  where there are no characters and [TS]

  there's just sort of playing out of plot [TS]

  there's no characters and it's all about [TS]

  like ideas about crazy things that will [TS]

  happen and it in details of how engines [TS]

  that are totally made-up work and stuff [TS]

  like that that's very much like you know [TS]

  it's about engineering and about actions [TS]

  and big dreams and not about sort of [TS]

  like human beings at all but I you know [TS]

  I i also felt like I could I could see [TS]

  how this influence if it didn't [TS]

  influence gene roddenberry directly it [TS]

  influenced the people who influenced [TS]

  Gene Roddenberry and the other people [TS]

  who made Star Trek because it has that [TS]

  feel in terms of a lot of the [TS]

  terminology is about screens and beams [TS]

  and things like that that are exactly [TS]

  the words that are used in in the [TS]

  original Star Trek my copy of galactic [TS]

  patrol says this on the cover de doc [TS]

  smith galactic patrol the famous legend [TS]

  series and then at the bottom of the [TS]

  coverage says spaceships and space [TS]

  pirates represent a cure infant of what [TS]

  you're getting [TS]

  well yeah you read that you go boy [TS]

  spaceships and space pirates this book [TS]

  delivers yep it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

  attend yeah you could say that they're [TS]

  not really pirates but you know are the [TS]

  accounts there there is very little [TS]

  discussion of the galaxy wide economy [TS]

  yes i did think it was really [TS]

  interesting that this one book [TS]

  practically in the first two pages named [TS]

  two giant science fiction conventions [TS]

  because you have the planet of mosque [TS]

  own which is a giant science fiction [TS]

  convention in boston and you also have [TS]

  the planet of arise iya which is another [TS]

  giant science fiction college now I [TS]

  Erica we're talking about use of female [TS]

  characters and Larry Correia book I I [TS]

  have good news for you huh [TS]

  there-there there-there is well there's [TS]

  one female character in galactic patrol [TS]

  she's nurse and arrange the love [TS]

  interest [TS]

  oh my heart hurts she's she's actually [TS]

  quite good at her job but ok but her but [TS]

  large portions of job are being held [TS]

  hostage [TS]

  yeah well she's not just letters she [TS]

  also gets mad at the hero in a scene I [TS]

  kind of liked where were just told [TS]

  straight up this guy's to heroic to be a [TS]

  good patient so he's going to be a huge [TS]

  jerk to you [TS]

  yeah just what she says yeah we get that [TS]

  a lot military nurse and then that's [TS]

  exactly how it plays out [TS]

  yes but the hell yeah yeah yeah and and [TS]

  the the moment that really struck me as [TS]

  early on there's the link the graduation [TS]

  ceremony for the people at the lensman [TS]

  Academy where it's the top thousand [TS]

  people from around the world [TS]

  well let me rephrase that the top [TS]

  thousand men from around the world [TS]

  because it's all men and then at the end [TS]

  literally they graduate and are taken to [TS]

  a secret room where they're going to be [TS]

  given and I kid you not [TS]

  the the smoking implement of their [TS]

  choice and then told all the secrets of [TS]

  the galaxy and I'm like wow we well I i [TS]

  think there's probably some mahogany in [TS]

  that room and perhaps some senator had [TS]

  or yeah it's important it is and I think [TS]

  maybe some wildlife heads mounted on [TS]

  nothing's on the was just gonna say yeah [TS]

  many leather-bound tones so it feels it [TS]

  it feels really 75 years old and I but [TS]

  the king bed there's just no characters [TS]

  it is literally like and then this [TS]

  happened and then this happened and then [TS]

  this happened and I you know it was I [TS]

  read the whole thing which i didn't [TS]

  think i would do and it was pretty short [TS]

  yeah well I don't know Margie it felt [TS]

  like it went on forever but I I can [TS]

  totally see how this was influential in [TS]

  a and you know in in what came after [TS]

  even though it seemed you know yeah [TS]

  there are spaceships and space pirates [TS]

  that's totally true and there's a guy [TS]

  who is really a genius and can figure [TS]

  out anything like literally the main [TS]

  character can figure out anything and [TS]

  does figure out everything in the entire [TS]

  book [TS]

  yep [TS]

  then there's another very British entry [TS]

  CS Lewis's out of the silent planet [TS]

  yep which is described here as first in [TS]

  the celebrated space trilogy and I think [TS]

  it says something about how old this [TS]

  book is that you could just make the [TS]

  trilogy the space trilogy yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  and how celebrated was it that I haven't [TS]

  heard of it so so this might my [TS]

  experience with out of the silent planet [TS]

  is that i read the entire Narnia series [TS]

  and I'm out wait a second you mean I [TS]

  love science fiction even more than [TS]

  fantasy you mean CS lewis wrote [TS]

  science-fiction novels let me Adam and I [TS]

  rid of some plan my win [TS]

  yeah yeah that is not without its [TS]

  pleasant and I mean I i read all three [TS]

  because my mother loved them and and you [TS]

  know being CS lewis they're drenched in [TS]

  theology [TS]

  oh yeah and so out of the silent planet [TS]

  has a plot where the second book does [TS]

  not and then the third book is like this [TS]

  weird dystopian Orwellian fantasy set in [TS]

  England which is really good i love the [TS]

  third book i didn't really feel like I [TS]

  had to have read the first two books to [TS]

  get to that and the main character in [TS]

  the first two books is sort of a [TS]

  background character in the third one so [TS]

  it's like just just go to that hideous [TS]

  strength and don't worry about the first [TS]

  two yeah the book involves somebody [TS]

  being laborious Lee kidnapped to another [TS]

  planet where he immediately the tapes [TS]

  his evil captors [TS]

  yep and then wanders around meeting [TS]

  fairly interesting alien creatures like [TS]

  yes I didn't like the book much but I [TS]

  did like the effort that was put in to [TS]

  make the alien societies really feel [TS]

  different from Earth societies in both [TS]

  both in this and perelandra they are two [TS]

  of the only books are read where the [TS]

  aliens feel truly alien [TS]

  if that makes sense but there's no plot [TS]

  and then later they're basically space [TS]

  angels [TS]

  yes ok so like a like a wrinkle in time [TS]

  then [TS]

  no but that had a lot yes thats good set [TS]

  of your hot and people you really liked [TS]

  my basement and more time with space [TS]

  Angels had those space angels alright i [TS]

  meant there are no earth women in out of [TS]

  the silent planet but some of the aliens [TS]

  are short of kind of female well okay [TS]

  there you go nice so my name is the [TS]

  bechdel Monty what's your what's your uh [TS]

  judgment your phone for galactic patrol [TS]

  I'm definitely voting for galactic [TS]

  patrol it was the only one that I really [TS]

  enjoyed reading 75 years is a long time [TS]

  a lot of stuff just falls apart after 75 [TS]

  years it is like say Carson of Venus by [TS]

  mr. edgar rice burroughs now the story [TS]

  of Carson of Venus is that he's a guy [TS]

  who set out to Mars but took a wrong [TS]

  turn and ended up on Venus instead we [TS]

  took a wrong turn as it's in the other [TS]

  director left a single Albuquerque is [TS]

  weaker curve curve all the way back [TS]

  around though I assumed that this was [TS]

  going to be just like the Mars books but [TS]

  cleverly transported to a different [TS]

  planet but really it's a lot more like [TS]

  the Tarzan books where Carson is the [TS]

  white man dealing with all these the [TS]

  newseum savages losted I did that like [TS]

  in person sounds like Tarzan I mean yeah [TS]

  not know what are off [TS]

  yeah that that's like his his a his [TS]

  agent or his publisher was like it [TS]

  Eddie Eddie they love the Mars books the [TS]

  books about mothers are great how about [TS]

  Venus have you considered Venus why [TS]

  don't make it like cars i did you take [TS]

  the eight guy and put him on another [TS]

  planet there you go [TS]

  I know you don't want to move tardiness [TS]

  you think that's unrealistic i would say [TS]

  it's already listen whatever whatever [TS]

  you say so how about how about we change [TS]

  his name to Mars and no well but that [TS]

  would be Mars yeah Bob cause cars and [TS]

  Carson something like that do you [TS]

  you working out here the writer alright [TS]

  mr. Johnson [TS]

  don't do that no I should point out that [TS]

  the 13th Tarzan book is called Tarzan at [TS]

  the Earth's core [TS]

  yes goodnight [TS]

  he's still on earth that time else times [TS]

  anyway Jason yeah times those were times [TS]

  that happened in the past 75 years ago [TS]

  and the fifth book that's nominated that [TS]

  i read and immediately fell out of my [TS]

  brain with Jack Williamson's the Legion [TS]

  of applies a great title [TS]

  oh it sounds so great like the cover [TS]

  says mankind was horribly doomed unless [TS]

  an army of dead men could change the [TS]

  past [TS]

  wow you want to read that you open and [TS]

  there's a blurb here that's all a [TS]

  dazzling white beam of Raving energy [TS]

  played on the chrony on burning and [TS]

  killing where it struck and the battle [TS]

  for the destiny of the world seemed over [TS]

  before it had well begun but this book [TS]

  blurbs great [TS]

  yeah but it's pretty boring in my [TS]

  opinion it's a yeah there are two [TS]

  possible futures there's a good future [TS]

  in the bad future and the future says a [TS]

  woman back to convince our hero to go [TS]

  with them and our hero eventually dies [TS]

  and he swooped up to meet his dead [TS]

  friends in a giant airship I said that [TS]

  suggests that was really excited until [TS]

  you got to the the dead guy being sweet [TS]

  in an airship everything shot here [TS]

  hey its way to say this podcast is over [TS]

  and I just ripping us off man yeah it's [TS]

  1938 airships just existed they weren't [TS]

  cool and nostalgic or futuristic people [TS]

  here now but but did people think that [TS]

  when you die you you go to his aplin can [TS]

  see right that's literally ology there's [TS]

  a brief moment in time when that was [TS]

  what everyone haha the future a good [TS]

  future has a time machine and they're [TS]

  doing and they're making a legion of all [TS]

  the best people as soon as they die and [TS]

  then the laugh of the book is a giant [TS]

  fight and eventually the good people win [TS]

  and the bad woman is subsumed into the [TS]

  good woman [TS]

  oh well as they were the same woman but [TS]

  different futures twist this actually [TS]

  feels kind of good except the step one [TS]

  part so that so it's like it's like it's [TS]

  sort of like River world in the sense [TS]

  that they're kind of like taking a great [TS]

  people from time [TS]

  yeah after they die though that seems [TS]

  questionable bring him back to life then [TS]

  yeah what they do [TS]

  yes well they can take it you can take [TS]

  them before they died because that will [TS]

  mess up the timeline now yeah oh yeah i [TS]

  mean just let's kill hitler yeah you're [TS]

  right you got you gotta wait we gotta [TS]

  wait until that that last moment then [TS]

  you kill them on a dyno and you bring it [TS]

  back to life [TS]

  it's an interesting idea and yeah it's [TS]

  sort of like I wanted to take that plot [TS]

  and put it into a lensman book I wanted [TS]

  to just sort of combine them and go yeah [TS]

  and this is what you could do with green [TS]

  lantern star track but yeah it just [TS]

  doesn't [TS]

  I yea alright Robert Island kinda took [TS]

  that concept for his last couple of [TS]

  books [TS]

  yeah yeah into sail beyond the sunset [TS]

  you basically got all the characters [TS]

  ever written about whether they died on [TS]

  screen or now they're all living happily [TS]

  in the future man that book drove me [TS]

  nuts anyway that's a whole other story [TS]

  alright is some any any final words [TS]

  about the the past before we take our [TS]

  own time machine and move back to the [TS]

  present the only novella nominee that [TS]

  I've heard of is Iran's and thumb and is [TS]

  the only one that's still in print so i [TS]

  think it will probably win regardless of [TS]

  whether it deserves to our but isn't who [TS]

  goes there what inspired the thing from [TS]

  another world it is but it's foolishly [TS]

  under the wrong name it was called [TS]

  anything [TS]

  and also it's a lid that the name on the [TS]

  story is done a Stuart although [TS]

  everybody knows it's john campbell the [TS]

  only other category that i have any [TS]

  awareness of really i mean obviously [TS]

  recognize all the authors but dramatic [TS]

  presentation short form they're all [TS]

  radio shows [TS]

  oh yeah four out of five of them are [TS]

  Orson Welles shows [TS]

  you have around the world in 80 days [TS]

  which isn't really science fiction a [TS]

  christmas carol which fantasy Dracula [TS]

  and and then of course the War of the [TS]

  Worlds it almost has to win a pretty [TS]

  much and the only one that he had [TS]

  nothing to do with was a BBC production [TS]

  of are you are by karel capek which is [TS]

  the play that originated the term robot [TS]

  yeah so but yeah I if it's me i'm voting [TS]

  for were the world's because that's the [TS]

  only one that really it doesn't just [TS]

  tell a really good story it it bends the [TS]

  form and messes around with it and you [TS]

  know it does something interesting with [TS]

  the fact that it's a radio play so I [TS]

  guess I do have a couple comments on the [TS]

  bottom couple awards best van writer [TS]

  almost anyone would be a good winner [TS]

  except the guy who I think is guaranteed [TS]

  to win [TS]

  Forrest J Ackerman was very very [TS]

  prolific and was a neat guy he would be [TS]

  a fine winner Bob Tucker was very [TS]

  prolific and a very influential fanzine [TS]

  harry warner junior wrote one of my [TS]

  favorite early fandom histories Donald a [TS]

  Walheim not only started dog books but [TS]

  also ran the future Ian's unfortunately [TS]

  the fifth nominee for best fan writers [TS]

  Ray Bradbury who did do some fan writing [TS]

  but he was not as important a fan as [TS]

  some of the other hand if buddy's right [TS]

  Bradbury and in and best fanzine they're [TS]

  all good nominees i'm hoping people will [TS]

  vote for imagination just because [TS]

  morocho was a very important early [TS]

  female fan and I'd like to see her get [TS]

  some more recognition [TS]

  alright we're moving back to the present [TS]

  now [TS]

  nah there's an airship time machine you [TS]

  will be [TS]

  yeah you'll be bodily elevated into the [TS]

  airship so we've got some other shorter [TS]

  fiction here to talk about and I think [TS]

  we should just go category by category a [TS]

  lot of stuff is online [TS]

  I'll try to put links in the show notes [TS]

  if it is online uh let's start with the [TS]

  novellas we'll just go go down in terms [TS]

  of size from there I only read two of [TS]

  the novellas i have the other three [TS]

  still to go and this is I just ran out [TS]

  of time i read the chaplains legacy by [TS]

  Brad torgersen and a coid by charles [TS]

  stross who else has novellas that they [TS]

  that they read I read them all [TS]

  you read them all well i did and Scott [TS]

  did you read none or I read none [TS]

  alright so it's me and Erica erica what [TS]

  it's okay what did you like what were [TS]

  the novellas you read that you liked [TS]

  I quite like the chaplains legacy i [TS]

  really liked it [TS]

  yeah that was that was my favorite I [TS]

  think of all of them and I feel like [TS]

  bread torgersen again has been kind of [TS]

  he was on that slate apparently he's [TS]

  he's apparently very moderate political [TS]

  and I read some of his blog the other [TS]

  night after i read his stuff because I [TS]

  was like oh boy I really enjoyed this [TS]

  stuff is he a terrible person or what [TS]

  it's like nobody actually seems he [TS]

  actually seems to be a very reasonable [TS]

  person and I feel bad for him actually [TS]

  because his stuff is really good and I [TS]

  worry people are gonna not vote for him [TS]

  because he's considered part of the [TS]

  because he's considered part of the [TS]

  this group and I thought the chaplains [TS]

  legacy was really a cool idea of it's [TS]

  sort of a it's not quite a first contact [TS]

  but it's a a sort of two humans and [TS]

  alien most most important content most [TS]

  important contacted a sort of [TS]

  existential question about whether these [TS]

  these uh the humans are going to stay [TS]

  alive or not and the main character is [TS]

  this fascinating guy who has a sort of [TS]

  save the human race accidentally and now [TS]

  has the opportunity to save them again [TS]

  and he's a fascinating character who who [TS]

  is not who you expect going in and I [TS]

  thought that was I thought that was [TS]

  really i thought it was really great [TS]

  I i loved it i thought it was great and [TS]

  I do I feel like I worry about the same [TS]

  thing that you do about that slate but [TS]

  the way that I look at it is maybe maybe [TS]

  most of those authors that are on there [TS]

  really had nothing to do with it and I [TS]

  have a feeling that you know they just [TS]

  their names got put on there for you [TS]

  know whatever reason because of their [TS]

  political leanings but they don't [TS]

  necessarily have to lean very far to [TS]

  have ended up on that and I was just I [TS]

  was just happy to go in and read and [TS]

  discovered that i really liked it he's a [TS]

  good writer [TS]

  yeah and the themes in it i mean it is [TS]

  it is said in its military people and it [TS]

  is a guy who has been tending a trip [TS]

  they call him Papa Padre and he's been [TS]

  tending this this this church on this [TS]

  planet that is kind of coop i'd buy [TS]

  these aliens and so you can easily say [TS]

  oh he's in this late and it's about [TS]

  religion in the end the military roll my [TS]

  eyes I'm not going to bother and boy if [TS]

  you do that you are missing out because [TS]

  it is really great [TS]

  yeah all right hi 5 woo woo you come [TS]

  together on legacy let's forget about [TS]

  those parasites [TS]

  yeah but this pills you never forget [TS]

  yeah what else what I'll strike you out [TS]

  of the novellas um I also liked six-gun [TS]

  snow white by a Catherine valente it was [TS]

  I talking about the butter zone again i [TS]

  really am just a sucker for stories that [TS]

  take fairy tales and sort of turn them [TS]

  on their ear in some ways and I know [TS]

  that that has it's something that's been [TS]

  done a lot lately but I am still okay [TS]

  with it if it if it takes in a slightly [TS]

  different direction and and this one did [TS]

  it maybe didn't fascinate me in the [TS]

  other world [TS]

  way that the chaplains legacy did but I [TS]

  i still thought it was a neat version it [TS]

  was it took Snow White and made it sort [TS]

  of a magical realism western and I [TS]

  really don't like westerns so I think if [TS]

  I like westerns this would have been the [TS]

  top of my list but despite the fact that [TS]

  it was a Western I still quite liked the [TS]

  idea of snow white as a you know [TS]

  gun-toting Western desperado lady and I [TS]

  I actually read this why did you hold [TS]

  data [TS]

  boom yeah that reality is I mean from [TS]

  the modern-day look at you it's like [TS]

  it's a combination that I mean it's it's [TS]

  the kind of thing I like to do myself so [TS]

  it's like who [TS]

  mashing up fairytales in the Old West [TS]

  and you know pulp adventure and it's [TS]

  just fun I like she wrote a she wrote a [TS]

  novel that got nominated for you go a [TS]

  few years ago that was my first thing I [TS]

  read by her and I really didn't like it [TS]

  but her short fiction that I've read [TS]

  since then is actually all been great [TS]

  and she's also got the young adult stuff [TS]

  that's been wildly successful so I'm [TS]

  looking forward to reading it because i [TS]

  really liked her shirt she's a good [TS]

  writer even her book that I didn't like [TS]

  was so well written i just did just [TS]

  drive me insane but she's a really good [TS]

  writer [TS]

  it seems very good it didn't have quite [TS]

  as much magic as i would have liked when [TS]

  i'm reading stuff for the Hugo's I'm [TS]

  looking for my sci-fi or am i right [TS]

  my fantasy and this one except for a few [TS]

  little things here and there could have [TS]

  been more of a straightforward story and [TS]

  I got a little i would I want to say [TS]

  bored with the straightforwardness but I [TS]

  was just really excited for something [TS]

  else to happen and it didn't as much as [TS]

  I was hoping I I very much enjoy her [TS]

  young adult fiction because I I picked [TS]

  that up because of the kids and so but [TS]

  that's the only thing I've rid of her so [TS]

  I haven't maybe maybe i'll stay away [TS]

  from that previously don't read [TS]

  palimpsest but her short fiction is [TS]

  really good earned her her nominated for [TS]

  the nominated short fiction has been [TS]

  really great [TS]

  I I fully endorse it I just one system [TS]

  works for me i also enjoyed the butcher [TS]

  of card off by dan wells thats one that [TS]

  was have even if i hadn't discovered it [TS]

  I think reading something at the [TS]

  beginning I would have recognized very [TS]

  very quickly that this was a story that [TS]

  was written in the world or universe of [TS]

  a role-playing game [TS]

  yeah and it [TS]

  red like like you know 80 pages of [TS]

  flavor text which is basically what it [TS]

  was and I'm okay with that you know i [TS]

  like my my role playing games but I i [TS]

  think i had a little bit of trouble with [TS]

  it because those are two diff completely [TS]

  different types of pastimes for me when [TS]

  I'm sitting down to read [TS]

  I'm expecting my brain to do one thing [TS]

  and when I'm sitting down to play an RPG [TS]

  I'm expecting my brain to do another [TS]

  thing so I've never been able to get [TS]

  into very many books that are set in the [TS]

  world of a role-playing game and I had [TS]

  had that same trouble with this although [TS]

  it was quite good and I found myself [TS]

  this is another one I found myself [TS]

  thinking about after the fact because i [TS]

  thought the main character was very well [TS]

  well created and lots of layers and some [TS]

  pesos there so it was good [TS]

  alright what else i'm curious to hear [TS]

  what you thought of exploit of' would so [TS]

  equus is straw straws maddening to me [TS]

  because some of his stuff i really love [TS]

  and some of that I I find kind of just [TS]

  dull exploit is bizarre because it's [TS]

  kind of love crafty and horror [TS]

  it's literally like somebody on a dare [TS]

  said write a Lovecraftian horror story [TS]

  about unicorns and so he did and that's [TS]

  a coid and you know i just read this [TS]

  yesterday i read the whole thing and I [TS]

  chuckled at points but I felt like he [TS]

  was trying a little too hard [TS]

  did you get the feeling that he was kind [TS]

  of like look how clever i am yeah [TS]

  Nightwing click Amelia me yep my class [TS]

  and trying and trying too hard with the [TS]

  jokes and the the going back and forth [TS]

  between letters unpublished letters by [TS]

  HP Lovecraft about the unicorn menace [TS]

  with the present-day unicorn menace [TS]

  uh yeah I didn't love it it did this I [TS]

  would say is more in line with the kind [TS]

  of the strong stuff that dump leaves me [TS]

  cold and not the strong stuff i like his [TS]

  I like he's really crazy far-out future [TS]

  technological extrapolations like [TS]

  celeron dough and this was you know this [TS]

  was more [TS]

  yeah it did it didn't it also felt [TS]

  really long to me for for what it was [TS]

  trying to do which was [TS]

  abdellah joke yeah I actually I really [TS]

  quite like the world i liked the you [TS]

  know the main character and I like this [TS]

  is part of a city this is part of a [TS]

  series like this is a world that he [TS]

  writes in this [TS]

  yeah and it's that's very clear because [TS]

  it seems to be really well-thought-out [TS]

  and I I kind of would like to go back [TS]

  and read some of his other stuff in this [TS]

  world because it seems like it would be [TS]

  a lot of fun but this one although it's [TS]

  a world it's a world is very similar to [TS]

  the jasper fforde British bureaucracy of [TS]

  magical things that the to the rook I [TS]

  was under some other book that reminded [TS]

  me reminded me of it's like so suffice [TS]

  it to say there's magic in Britain and [TS]

  there's a British pure bureaucratic [TS]

  organization who's in charge of [TS]

  investigating that you don't say it but [TS]

  it was a familiar setting but it was a [TS]

  good setting i enjoyed it i haven't read [TS]

  any of those other things so for me this [TS]

  was I mean it wasn't like it was a novel [TS]

  concept i have come across that idea [TS]

  before but this was the first time I [TS]

  dived in [TS]

  you should read the rook rook is really [TS]

  good and it is sent as an organization [TS]

  to check a who is there the secret [TS]

  British magical bureaucracy and its [TS]

  really great and then there's a podcast [TS]

  you can listen to about it afterward [TS]

  in fact that you might like also let me [TS]

  was great i cannot endorse the the [TS]

  details of the quality of that podcast [TS]

  but that the the brook is a great book [TS]

  but yea alright so so novellas I've got [TS]

  more to read their I i actually I'm [TS]

  feeling that [TS]

  thank you for giving me a pep talk now I [TS]

  can power through before I vote and I [TS]

  can read the rest of them I should warn [TS]

  you that if you are like me and get [TS]

  frustrated by not enough magic in your [TS]

  magic yeah what color springs is going [TS]

  to drive you [TS]

  bat guano crazy so I started and I admit [TS]

  I flip through trying to see if there [TS]

  was any evidence that it was anything [TS]

  other than kind of straightforward story [TS]

  the very last sentence is pretty much [TS]

  all you get [TS]

  oh sorry alright it's it's it's [TS]

  well-written to it but it's one of those [TS]

  it's a it's a novella that it takes you [TS]

  throughout different areas of sort of a [TS]

  family you get like the child been you [TS]

  know we cut to 20 years later and [TS]

  suddenly the main character is the child [TS]

  of the person who is the child in the [TS]

  first part and that kind of thing is [TS]

  beautifully written as it was that [TS]

  doesn't do it for me and then there [TS]

  wasn't enough magic so right all right [TS]

  novelette is next [TS]

  and once again with we have five [TS]

  nominees I Erica did you read any of [TS]

  these [TS]

  I read them all alright high 5i i think [TS]

  i read all these or at least attempted [TS]

  to read all of these anything anything [TS]

  jump out at you and Scott Scott are you [TS]

  in on this category i read the lady [TS]

  astronaut of Mars and the waiting stars [TS]

  alright rhyme and and i don't i know the [TS]

  lady astronaut of Mars to all right [TS]

  Erica why don't you once you leave this [TS]

  office you read them all [TS]

  alright well actually the two that Scott [TS]

  red were I think those were my favorite [TS]

  I adored the waiting stars that is [TS]

  really my kind of it was it was poetic [TS]

  and beautiful and yet it was about [TS]

  spaceships and also people and it was [TS]

  you had two different stories going on [TS]

  at the same time which generally [TS]

  interesting how are they could balance [TS]

  things are balanced well enough and [TS]

  especially if they come together in a [TS]

  pleasing way at the end which in this [TS]

  case I think they really did you got one [TS]

  girl on a spaceship who is trying to [TS]

  rescue something and then you've got [TS]

  another girl who's on some planet that [TS]

  seems to be you know completely not [TS]

  related and she's struggling to get by [TS]

  and she doesn't really remember her past [TS]

  very well and it's just I'm not going to [TS]

  give anything away but the to weave back [TS]

  and forth and then come together and I [TS]

  was just like it was a punch the air [TS]

  kind of moment for me as soon as I [TS]

  recognize where it was going [TS]

  I i only read two with that one was the [TS]

  favorite of the two and she wrote my [TS]

  favorite novella that was nominated last [TS]

  year as well on a red station dress oh [TS]

  yeah yeah that was a good one [TS]

  yeah mhm I'm writing that down to I was [TS]

  really good and this was really good i [TS]

  mean i figured out the the twist further [TS]

  our early on but I did write didn't [TS]

  detract from know anything and beauty is [TS]

  Howard how it comes together right [TS]

  exactly and it's so well-written and [TS]

  it's a the the novella that she wrote [TS]

  last year set the same universe and i'm [TS]

  just waiting for her to write a novel [TS]

  this is your series hopefully because I [TS]

  just I'm so intrigued by it that I want [TS]

  to read more [TS]

  that is fertile ground right there lady [TS]

  astronaut Mars I found fascinating [TS]

  because it's in this it's in this [TS]

  bizarre non-it you know I you call [TS]

  universe but it's really more like a [TS]

  science fiction story set in a parable [TS]

  kind of university it's like it's like [TS]

  out like a mythological universe because [TS]

  it's essentially like The Wizard of Oz [TS]

  is how it starts like her name is [TS]

  Dorothy Gale her her you know her she [TS]

  lived with her aunt and uncle right next [TS]

  to the spaceport like what [TS]

  yeah and they're all on Mars and people [TS]

  live on Mars and she's the one who was [TS]

  the first woman on on the on Mars [TS]

  because she was on the original team [TS]

  that went to Mars but now there's people [TS]

  who live there in Dorothy who watch the [TS]

  ships go up is now I is now a doctor in [TS]

  the colony and the lady astronaut is a [TS]

  retiree almost because they won't give [TS]

  any assignments to old lady astronauts [TS]

  apparently and and so just the setting [TS]

  is like wow this is not it they're not [TS]

  attempting to extrapolate she's not [TS]

  attempted to say you know this is where [TS]

  history diverge door or anything like [TS]

  it's just like now it's just there were [TS]

  there was there was a an accident [TS]

  happened in Washington and then there [TS]

  was a and then that they've launched [TS]

  spaceships from the plains and now we're [TS]

  all on Mars [TS]

  okay yeah and I like that [TS]

  yeah yeah it was cool it was nice to be [TS]

  freed of that of that weight of like [TS]

  yeah I've got to have this all makes [TS]

  sense it's like no it's fat its [TS]

  fantabulous and fantastical and just [TS]

  don't worry about it [TS]

  oh yeah me and in a way it really felt [TS]

  like a throwback in terms of science [TS]

  fiction to me which is part of what drew [TS]

  me to it [TS]

  I first and candidate as an audio story [TS]

  and I think I think put [TS]

  together like an anthology of science [TS]

  fiction audio stories which was really [TS]

  neat and then they then she put it [TS]

  together in her preferred text me a like [TS]

  a pro story and i would say go find the [TS]

  audio version 2 it's it's really nicely [TS]

  done [TS]

  yeah I believe it was actually supposed [TS]

  to have been nominated last year [TS]

  as the audio version but then she found [TS]

  out at this area just after the ceremony [TS]

  that it had been taken off of the list [TS]

  because it was published as an audio for [TS]

  in audio form first and that doesn't [TS]

  qualify or something anyway she was dead [TS]

  i have to have to declare my bias here I [TS]

  actually actually no Mary so and she's [TS]

  delightful so yeah so I i love this [TS]

  story but I am a little bit more than a [TS]

  little bit biased [TS]

  yeah the first time I met her she [TS]

  offered to take me shopping so that's [TS]

  the kind of nice lady that she is wow [TS]

  dream dreams got one day you wondering [TS]

  what your shopping [TS]

  yes well i enjoy i enjoy her work she [TS]

  writes this series the clamorous series [TS]

  yeah she's basically you know sense and [TS]

  sensibility with magic which I i adore [TS]

  so and I like this this short story a [TS]

  lot as well yeah I had never actually [TS]

  read anything by her before so it's one [TS]

  of those things where oh and her i like [TS]

  her degree hope that doesn't suck [TS]

  he didn't thank goodness yeah oh yes [TS]

  it's delightful [TS]

  so uh so what else is in this category [TS]

  bread torgersen is back in this category [TS]

  2 with the exchange officers which is [TS]

  which is essentially an adventure story [TS]

  about drone pilot to get to pilot sort [TS]

  of robot drones on a space station who [TS]

  are called into action after the space [TS]

  station is attacked that I that I i [TS]

  enjoy it was it was not did not have the [TS]

  depth that the chaplains legacy did but [TS]

  it was kind of a fun adventure in that [TS]

  it was the people behind the robots as [TS]

  well as the robots and I thought that [TS]

  was kind of interesting [TS]

  yeah I but i will say it was different [TS]

  Victoria you're ready to have the depth [TS]

  it was again it was it was well-crafted [TS]

  and well-written it was just this was [TS]

  about a topic that i could not care less [TS]

  about I don't like the soldiers in space [TS]

  type stories and that's exactly what it [TS]

  was [TS]

  so if you are into soldiers and space [TS]

  stuff i recommend reading this it's not [TS]

  real long and it's it's fun and it cooks [TS]

  along it's just that's not my preferred [TS]

  genre I'd say if you like if you like [TS]

  the Martian two books like that you [TS]

  would like this because it is sort of a [TS]

  nuts-and-bolts [TS]

  it's equipment in space and how do you [TS]

  get into work kind of thing and I i like [TS]

  that that we actually got to learn a [TS]

  little bit about the characters were [TS]

  piloting these drones because i think [TS]

  that that I was with this story has a [TS]

  meaning i feel like that's it which is [TS]

  not not drones are people too but like [TS]

  drones are piloted by people too and the [TS]

  beat you know that that's the story is [TS]

  who are these people who are piloting [TS]

  and this really is taking like modern [TS]

  drone warfare and then pushing it [TS]

  forward and saying who are these people [TS]

  you know who and what will they be doing [TS]

  in space perhaps with drones and space [TS]

  and yeah but it doesn't have any of the [TS]

  depth of something like chaplains legacy [TS]

  I think but I was fine i was fun but [TS]

  that's sort of it [TS]

  ted chang is in this category the the [TS]

  much-beloved short-story writer he is [TS]

  his a story is called the truth of fact [TS]

  the truth of feeling I have opinions [TS]

  about this one [TS]

  I don't know Erica how you feel about it [TS]

  I thought that it was it's one of those [TS]

  stories were it didn't it didn't invoke [TS]

  a lot of emotion the way some of the [TS]

  other stories did but it was such an [TS]

  incredible idea that kind of hearing [TS]

  comparing of the moving from in an oral [TS]

  history type culture into two written [TS]

  language and then comparing moving from [TS]

  for written to the machine has hardened [TS]

  just got ya memory machine assisted [TS]

  memory it which was it was it was a [TS]

  little bit bash you over the head with [TS]

  the idea but I kind of thought that it [TS]

  was a really elegant bashing over the [TS]

  head and and it made me it really made [TS]

  me think so I I appreciate it and I [TS]

  would say that it definitely ended up on [TS]

  the positive side for me but it like I [TS]

  said it didn't it didn't thing to me in [TS]

  the way out some of the other ones did [TS]

  for me i'm i'm a sucker for the emotion [TS]

  so I'm gonna go always swing in that [TS]

  direction so i love so much of what ted [TS]

  chang is written and so for me this was [TS]

  a disappointment because because i admit [TS]

  i set the bar pretty high for him he's a [TS]

  really green rider and the reason i [TS]

  thought the story was a disappointment [TS]

  is because it it can't a little bit of [TS]

  what i was going to say about parasite [TS]

  which is it it can't decide [TS]

  that wants to be it is or actually you [TS]

  know it's a little bit like that book [TS]

  about space economics that the straws it [TS]

  is it is ok follow me here it's trying [TS]

  to do two things at once is what i'm [TS]

  saying so it is trying to explore a [TS]

  really interesting premise about what [TS]

  technological advancement could do to [TS]

  people i think that's great it's just [TS]

  opposing it with technological [TS]

  advancements that we take for granted [TS]

  but have changed how we think in terms [TS]

  of literacy it's very much saying [TS]

  writing the existence of writing changes [TS]

  thought and therefore we are already [TS]

  changed and this would be a new change [TS]

  and trying to compare those two that's [TS]

  brilliant stuff that is amazing stuff [TS]

  and the the parts that are set in i [TS]

  think it's Nigeria where there's a boy [TS]

  who learns reading and writing from a [TS]

  missionary and then they're dealing with [TS]

  British colonialism in nigeria and how [TS]

  it how it affects the way they think [TS]

  about the past in oral tradition versus [TS]

  a written tradition that stuff is is [TS]

  really well done [TS]

  the problem is the future stuff is has [TS]

  this narrator and the narrator is [TS]

  supposedly writing a note to himself it [TS]

  starts out as a things going to write an [TS]

  article but then it ends up being this [TS]

  kind of letter to nobody to us the [TS]

  readers and that part really bug me [TS]

  because I felt like he wanted to have it [TS]

  both ways he wanted to write an essay [TS]

  about mediated technology you know [TS]

  changing the way we think and he also [TS]

  wanted to tell story about it and that's [TS]

  where for me the story fell down is that [TS]

  in the present day he didn't tell us the [TS]

  story of the man and his daughter and [TS]

  realizing how this memory technology [TS]

  changes how we behave and how we think [TS]

  about our lives he didn't want to just [TS]

  tell that story he also wanted to [TS]

  lecture us about the meaning of it and [TS]

  that's where it came apart for me is [TS]

  like I kind of wanted him to choose [TS]

  either tell the story and let me think [TS]

  about the issues or write an essay about [TS]

  the issues but don't do both because it [TS]

  it made me dislike that portion because [TS]

  while it was really interesting and [TS]

  thought-provoking it didn't feel like a [TS]

  story anymore it felt like a lecture [TS]

  with some framing sequences around it [TS]

  and that so that's when it that's why i [TS]

  was disappointed as I felt like he had a [TS]

  really great emotional story to tell and [TS]

  couldn't resist analyzing it and showing [TS]

  his work [TS]

  that's my rant about Ted Chang it's a [TS]

  great writer [TS]

  yeah north reading it's worth reading [TS]

  yeah absolutely but you see what I mean [TS]

  about the they'll help me out here do [TS]

  you see what I mean about the [TS]

  present-day stuff where he's like trying [TS]

  to tell his own personal story but he's [TS]

  also trying to tell us what all the [TS]

  issues are [TS]

  yes yeah I I honestly I feel like maybe [TS]

  it would work out better as a short fit [TS]

  one maybe not even a short film [TS]

  well a medium-sized film if I could [TS]

  maybe smooth out the it is the [TS]

  present-day Future II stuff is very [TS]

  emotional and the past stuff seems more [TS]

  luxury if they could maybe bring that [TS]

  somewhere to middle ground and we could [TS]

  actually see characters enacting this in [TS]

  front of us I think I might like that [TS]

  better than I did in in story form [TS]

  yeah great ideas though it really is [TS]

  kind of a mind-blowing idea about what [TS]

  happens if you have perfect perfect [TS]

  memory and a search engine to give you [TS]

  perfect recall of everything that's ever [TS]

  happened and how that totally changes [TS]

  the nature of memory so that's what's [TS]

  great science-fiction does is is is do [TS]

  that yeah and challenge you like that I [TS]

  just artistically I felt like it was [TS]

  trying to do too much and then the other [TS]

  the other story in this category is a [TS]

  opera vita aeterna by vox Dei who is [TS]

  famously the least popular man in [TS]

  science fiction in some circles because [TS]

  he says whole lot of horrible things and [TS]

  is part of the slate that we talked [TS]

  about before i'm going to be honest I [TS]

  tried to read this and I couldn't do it [TS]

  this is the first paragraph is some of [TS]

  the worst rioting I've ever seen and the [TS]

  setting is something that totally did [TS]

  that doesn't interest me at all and so i [TS]

  gave up i have to declare my bias here [TS]

  too easy I'm female [TS]

  yeah therefore our well but yeah you're [TS]

  well and amma nothing can be in the [TS]

  lensman it's right men it's right in the [TS]

  name muscles don't so I do [TS]

  he's the only one of the people in this [TS]

  life that I actually searched out their [TS]

  blog to find out what the heck was was [TS]

  the deal and I had done that before the [TS]

  whole slate that came out and yeah the [TS]

  stuff he says is just as reprehensible [TS]

  is everybody says it is an onforce awful [TS]

  person you [TS]

  yes um so I you know I had to struggle i [TS]

  remember your episode talking about [TS]

  Orson Scott Card writers who do terrible [TS]

  things and so I was all worried for [TS]

  fishes the opposite opposite of the mary [TS]

  robinette kowal thing I was like oh no [TS]

  what if he's good at home would have [TS]

  good and you mentioned that first [TS]

  paragraph I i read that novel it today [TS]

  sitting out on the square in the middle [TS]

  of Edmonton and i literally laughed out [TS]

  loud after that first paragraph because [TS]

  I was so relieved [TS]

  oh yeah it's just it is it was it was it [TS]

  was bad and I there were bits don't get [TS]

  me wrong this whole thing what I didn't [TS]

  think the whole thing was terrible but [TS]

  that first paragraph was a dismal there [TS]

  are bits and pieces that maybe sort of [TS]

  interested but there was so much more of [TS]

  it that just kept turning me off again [TS]

  and again every time there is something [TS]

  that i found kind of interesting about [TS]

  the world then I would see a really [TS]

  bland character and expanding its like a [TS]

  conversation between a sum like a monk [TS]

  in an elf their philosophizing like [TS]

  they're just following up each others [TS]

  butts ridiculous [TS]

  yeah yeah the the cold autumn day was [TS]

  slowly drawing to a close the palate son [TS]

  was to set the s little adjectives how [TS]

  do they work so it really reminded me [TS]

  out think that I wouldn't happen in high [TS]

  school [TS]

  yeah yeah because it i need to describe [TS]

  the scene with you know as many Tencent [TS]

  words as I possibly can if you're using [TS]

  an incipient in your first paragraph I'm [TS]

  shaking my head at you so missing jersey [TS]

  incipient so we get the last pair the [TS]

  second sentence doesn't even make any [TS]

  sense no III so so I think what we can [TS]

  say is there were lots of guys on that [TS]

  slate and I think they were all no no [TS]

  we're not all guys they were mostly guys [TS]

  there are lots of people on that slate [TS]

  and we in reading their stuff we found [TS]

  that some of them are good writers and [TS]

  some of them aren't and that's just how [TS]

  it is [TS]

  so there you go or at least some of them [TS]

  real good stuff that got nominated some [TS]

  of our stuff that wasn't so good that [TS]

  got nominated that's what happens some [TS]

  stuff is good and some stuff isn't [TS]

  I ok short stories we haven't talked [TS]

  about their four of them only for got [TS]

  nominated because it's very hard to [TS]

  nominate stories apparently so few of [TS]

  who read the who read the short stories [TS]

  i did i do this right spice yeah alright [TS]

  so therefore really three so Sophia [TS]

  stahma tarr who-who wrote a that book [TS]

  that we read for the nebula episode sky [TS]

  is what is it called again that [TS]

  something [TS]

  oh I can't remember hello stranger in a [TS]

  laundry area [TS]

  yes which I thought was perplexing but [TS]

  well-written yes i agree with you it [TS]

  frustrated me and yet I cannot deny that [TS]

  it was quite well written and this [TS]

  selfie stories are for losers is [TS]

  completely different yes it is [TS]

  although I i kinda I kind of loved it i [TS]

  gotta say because I it is a selkie [TS]

  stories is for losers is how it or [TS]

  something stories are for losers a story [TS]

  and of course it is a selfie story in a [TS]

  way I'm about about losers [TS]

  yeah yeah it's it's a I don't know I I [TS]

  enjoyed that it'sit's the the the [TS]

  dynamic of putting putting you know [TS]

  selkie stories in a modern ish day [TS]

  setting and and yeah I don't know I I [TS]

  it's a short story i enjoyed enjoyed it [TS]

  was an interesting slice of a of an [TS]

  interesting characters life i thought [TS]

  i'm not a fan of silly stories either so [TS]

  okay so this was in your butter zone yes [TS]

  i agree i ran out we're gonna wear out [TS]

  that we're gonna melt all the butter [TS]

  zones here by using too much but it's [TS]

  the new to way we gotta play with it [TS]

  while we got it i know i like the butter [TS]

  the title intrigued me and and yeah I [TS]

  thought I thought it was fun i thought [TS]

  it was a fun and and a little bit [TS]

  affecting at the end i mean i like the [TS]

  relationship between the main character [TS]

  and her would-be girlfriend I guess [TS]

  right yeah yeah again this is another [TS]

  sort of you know you're taking a ferry [TS]

  Taylor mythology thing in and changing [TS]

  around are bringing in present-day so [TS]

  that is that is in my you-know-what [TS]

  don't know so it was really good [TS]

  Jenna area Marjorie in this category i [TS]

  think for me is the toughest because I [TS]

  really thought all of them were very [TS]

  strong entries for one reason or another [TS]

  so yeah I just like them all [TS]

  I like the selfie stories are for losers [TS]

  as well.all right-it what about the [TS]

  water that falls on you from nowhere by [TS]

  Jon Chu that one was my favorite I have [TS]

  trouble with the other three picking you [TS]

  know where they go but of all the things [TS]

  that i read for this year's Hugo's that [TS]

  is the one that just it hit me where I [TS]

  live [TS]

  it was it's a it's a beautiful love [TS]

  story that just happens to have a [TS]

  fantastical elements going on which is [TS]

  that when you lie the more the more you [TS]

  lie the more moist it gets to the point [TS]

  where if you rip off a really good lie [TS]

  you will be completely drenched in water [TS]

  that magically appears out of nowhere so [TS]

  you better tell the truth or you will be [TS]

  spending a lot of time had a few if you [TS]

  tell something that's absolutely true [TS]

  you dry off [TS]

  yeah you dry off mhm and it's just I [TS]

  love the fact that there's no [TS]

  explanation of why this started [TS]

  happening it's just a thing that you [TS]

  have the only scientific explanation is [TS]

  that they tested the water and it's pure [TS]

  it is water every time [TS]

  distilled water it's great like this [TS]

  just a couple sounds as being like this [TS]

  is the world and now we have to interact [TS]

  yeah so what happens what happens when [TS]

  everybody knows whether you're telling [TS]

  the truth or lying [TS]

  how does that work and it's great and [TS]

  how the people have strategies about how [TS]

  they can technically not live but not [TS]

  really tell the truth either asking [TS]

  questions [TS]

  exactly I thought it was really well [TS]

  written and yeah and it's it was a tough [TS]

  choice [TS]

  it will be a tough choice for Mike any [TS]

  valid between this one and the ink [TS]

  readers of goes however you say that [TS]

  dosent is like that a lot to really a [TS]

  meeting i did i'd i did to Jason that as [TS]

  much but not giant no i didn't i didn't [TS]

  love that didn't love that one that was [TS]

  the that was the one that I I i liked [TS]

  the least I think and that that that [TS]

  author i think is this the guy the dutch [TS]

  guy who wrote these like her story in [TS]

  english a year ago was that about the [TS]

  crystal boy [TS]

  yeah right exactly is that him yeah I [TS]

  also really like that one to soho I [TS]

  think my I the water that falls from you [TS]

  on nowhere had characters and it was a [TS]

  love story and therefore i loved it but [TS]

  i think that the ink readers of joy [TS]

  socket or however you say it it was it [TS]

  was more about the story that was [TS]

  unfolding there is a character that sort [TS]

  of tells the story but i never got if I [TS]

  got the feeling that happened that I [TS]

  knew them that character very well and [TS]

  it was the opposite in the water that [TS]

  falls on you from nowhere I'd felt like [TS]

  I knew the characters immediately and [TS]

  wanted to interact with them whereas i [TS]

  was just sort of watching the inks world [TS]

  by in the river on the other one [TS]

  yeah that's where I think they both tell [TS]

  they both have a very interesting [TS]

  fantastic fantastical elements to it and [TS]

  I i enjoyed it and I think you're right [TS]

  that the silky stores are not sold in [TS]

  stores uh the water that falls on you [TS]

  from nowhere has more fully realized [TS]

  characters and that love story is very [TS]

  powerful and of course complicated you [TS]

  know he's living a lie but he can't lie [TS]

  to his family because he'll get trench [TS]

  with water so that makes it really [TS]

  interesting as well but it has many [TS]

  layers and then the fourth story in this [TS]

  category is if you were a dinosaur my [TS]

  love by Rachel sworsky who has been [TS]

  nominated before and who i believe i met [TS]

  at worldcon a few years ago and who is a [TS]

  I've really liked her stuff in the past [TS]

  and this is a short short story and i [TS]

  gotta say I really liked it [TS]

  I I like Rachel ski and I like her stuff [TS]

  and it is it is a it is not too long [TS]

  it is very very sure it is but in that [TS]

  time [TS]

  it tells a story it does tell a story a [TS]

  tragic story about a person who is [TS]

  assaulted and put in the hospital and is [TS]

  not expected to recover and and the and [TS]

  that person's partner and and so I I was [TS]

  taken aback it starts out really reading [TS]

  like the runaway bunny that children's [TS]

  book but by the end i found it pretty [TS]

  effective especially given its [TS]

  incredible shortness so I have to [TS]

  you declare my bias once again if you [TS]

  were a dinosaur my love was actually the [TS]

  very first apex magazine podcast that we [TS]

  did and I'm the producer of the apex [TS]

  haha so i can tell you it's very short [TS]

  it's it's just over five minutes if you [TS]

  read it out loud it's okay if you don't [TS]

  feel like if you don't feel like picking [TS]

  finding the story online and really get [TS]

  you can go and listen to Lin Thomas the [TS]

  at the time editor of apex magazine [TS]

  reading it and it is i had to listen to [TS]

  it lots of times because that was our [TS]

  first episode we were just getting [TS]

  things straight and it is it is [TS]

  gut-wrenching it's kind of a gut punch [TS]

  and to hear Lynn read it with like this [TS]

  emotion and paper it's just the right [TS]

  amount of emotion you you'd kind of [TS]

  needs to be flat most of the way through [TS]

  but its just oh yeah it's i think if i [TS]

  had just read it i would have liked it i [TS]

  think having heard it said that way so [TS]

  many times it elevated it to a new level [TS]

  for me so just like i may go search out [TS]

  the lady astronaut of Mars being read by [TS]

  the author [TS]

  I i think this one has benefited from [TS]

  the audio version as well Rachel [TS]

  swarovski wrote the lady who plucked red [TS]

  flowers beneath the Queen's window which [TS]

  was a hugo nominees in 2011 that's the [TS]

  Scott that's the one where that the [TS]

  woman gets put in a in a magic mirror [TS]

  and keeps waking up like hundreds of [TS]

  years later kept being keeps getting [TS]

  brought back by various kings and queens [TS]

  and people [TS]

  oh right i really love it I thought we [TS]

  call the end the lady who plucked red [TS]

  flowers beneath the Queen's window it's [TS]

  really it's linked to from her Wikipedia [TS]

  page but it that was that was a really [TS]

  good story too and I like this but it is [TS]

  it is when we were doing intertexts back [TS]

  in the day and publishing science [TS]

  fiction every other month on the [TS]

  internet back in the like nineties we [TS]

  had a rule for submissions that were the [TS]

  short that was called short must be [TS]

  spectacular and so we've published very [TS]

  future insurance because they really do [TS]

  need to bring it all the way through [TS]

  every word and i read this and i thought [TS]

  this spectacular this one would get yes [TS]

  yes Rachel ski you do you know you're [TS]

  short [TS]

  you're super short short is actually [TS]

  really great so I liked it [TS]

  Scott you post a dinosaur's i'm gonna [TS]

  post the dinosaurs and i'm not opposed [TS]

  to the short story it's just I thought [TS]

  it was well written but didn't really do [TS]

  it for me right now that's what I [TS]

  thought about the ingredients so very [TS]

  well yeah we can we can agree to [TS]

  disagree right guys right [TS]

  no this contest is over [TS]

  alright and other categories we're not [TS]

  going to cover all the other categories [TS]

  including the one that Erica's podcast [TS]

  is nominated in but it's worth I wanted [TS]

  to at least mention a couple of things [TS]

  the graphic story category is really [TS]

  interesting this year [TS]

  yeah likin that one too well protected [TS]

  so tactics already in the girl who love [TS]

  Doctor Who there is a scene where we [TS]

  meet the people who are in the very [TS]

  podcast however it doesn't actually [TS]

  represent the actual people because that [TS]

  would involve leaving instruct yeah he [TS]

  was instructed not to put any actual [TS]

  likenesses or the name of our podcast [TS]

  right but it's fine because I know in my [TS]

  heart [TS]

  yeah that it's your podcast decided [TS]

  that's Michael Paul Cornell who is a [TS]

  writer i like very much actually and [TS]

  that is a beautiful little story short [TS]

  story in comic book form where Matt [TS]

  Smith's doctor crosses the barriers of [TS]

  parallel universes and lands at a Doctor [TS]

  Who convention which is entirely [TS]

  universe in our universe and it is very [TS]

  funny and also very touching [TS]

  so it's lovely I like Girl Genius a lot [TS]

  but I feel like feelin kinda have [TS]

  probably want enough Hugo's yeah it's [TS]

  it's like to spread it around so it's [TS]

  nominated every year and i've read it [TS]

  and it just doesn't I I always loved a [TS]

  folio stuff on in dragon magazine back [TS]

  in the day but what's new with phil and [TS]

  dixie and all that but yet girl genius [TS]

  never really did it for me and it's [TS]

  there every year and i look at it again [TS]

  every year and think now it's just not [TS]

  just do it for me [TS]

  saga is nominated and saga is one of my [TS]

  favorite comics and vol.2 was an [TS]

  excellent volume so I'm really excited [TS]

  about that XKCD got nominated which is [TS]

  interesting for the time in common one [TS]

  yeah I thought it was an interesting [TS]

  idea that had a lot of filler in it that [TS]

  the time spent teasing out the [TS]

  interesting stuff in that i sell could [TS]

  have been better spent by me [TS]

  probably wouldn to bed [TS]

  but I could have could have been and [TS]

  then the meat house man I don't know [TS]

  anything about my having read it it's a [TS]

  george RR martin king seal of approval [TS]

  I don't know anything about that uh [TS]

  dramatic presentation long-form category [TS]

  has frozen which is a movie that I [TS]

  really should see my kids have seen it a [TS]

  million times but I haven't seen it [TS]

  gravity the second Hunger Games movie [TS]

  iron man 3 and pacific rim by the ladies [TS]

  in that category [TS]

  yes lots nice and i still haven't even [TS]

  seen all of DC I need to catch up [TS]

  yeah i haven't seen catching fire or [TS]

  frozen which are really ought to do I've [TS]

  seen iron man 3 pacific rim and gravity [TS]

  well its good points in Pacific Rim [TS]

  visit a category where I've seen all of [TS]

  them all right Monty thanks for doing [TS]

  your research i love gravity [TS]

  I think gravity is a fantastic movie I [TS]

  thought iron man 3 was fine i thought [TS]

  just to clear out her love for grabbing [TS]

  I i do love i love force I love horses [TS]

  not equally because they're not equal [TS]

  but I do with my mental force and I like [TS]

  the strong force more than the weak [TS]

  force obviously obviously it really goes [TS]

  without saying I I haven't seen catching [TS]

  fire i like the first Hunger Games movie [TS]

  I just haven't seen the second one and [TS]

  frozen everybody loves I i just saw [TS]

  frozen it was it was cute [TS]

  it's fine yeah like I gravity left me [TS]

  cold i wasn't it [TS]

  haha i have makin gravity [TS]

  you're welcome did you see it in the [TS]

  theater Erica I did it was it was it was [TS]

  like I i enjoyed it in the way that i [TS]

  enjoyed the like Universal Studios [TS]

  experiences it was like everybody is a [TS]

  little bit around that is better didn't [TS]

  have a story or characters that I cared [TS]

  about him so thats i saw gravity in imax [TS]

  theater and thought it was the best [TS]

  thing I've ever seen [TS]

  I see no reason to see it on a smaller [TS]

  screen yes yeah yeah it looks great on [TS]

  an iphone and iron man 3 I think there's [TS]

  a lot of people when I was complaining [TS]

  on Twitter the other day about how I [TS]

  really didn't like Thor 2 which 42 is in [TS]

  the grand scheme of movies involving [TS]

  Thor it's about 9999 in quality i think [TS]

  i hope i really didn't like it so I [TS]

  point out adventures in babysitting much [TS]

  better for movie 02 to have [TS]

  door have a much better yeah yeah we [TS]

  could do all of those jokes but anyway I [TS]

  mentioned and somebody said you know [TS]

  something about bad about iron man 3 and [TS]

  was like you know I kind of like it we [TS]

  didn't we'd never thought about I like [TS]

  fine man 3 I like that get them out of [TS]

  the suit [TS]

  I like that it's not the same movie is [TS]

  iron man two was like let's do that [TS]

  movie again I know it's like a totally [TS]

  every movie he's kind of messed up which [TS]

  tony stark's much better when he's [TS]

  messed up so I like that movie [TS]

  yeah interesting way of dealing with [TS]

  mental health issues which is something [TS]

  you don't see often enough i think in in [TS]

  popular culture and Tony Stark I mean my [TS]

  comics to he deals with alcoholism I [TS]

  mean he's kind of a messed-up he's the [TS]

  messed-up rich guy and then that is [TS]

  that's his flaw is my kryptonite it's [TS]

  that he's messed up he's rich and [TS]

  brilliant but he's kind of emotionally [TS]

  messed up and that was that was gonna be [TS]

  the ending is a letdown because it's [TS]

  just computer flying suits flying really [TS]

  well yeah but I like computer flying [TS]

  suits flooring and then he destroys all [TS]

  the suits for no reason the reason only [TS]

  waste of money [TS]

  vnd so rich he doesn't care and Pacific [TS]

  Rim people want me to do an episode of [TS]

  the incomparable about pacific rim or [TS]

  giant monsters I could maybe see I I [TS]

  thought pacific rim suck sorry everybody [TS]

  in yet but I am NOT looking forward to [TS]

  it I like the mo del Toro but I thought [TS]

  it was just terrible it's a good popcorn [TS]

  movie big robots hitting at Monster High [TS]

  like specifically to know I thought it [TS]

  was fun i enjoyed it a lot [TS]

  I was discovered that i'm super [TS]

  distracted if Charlie days in a movie [TS]

  yeah i'm i'm worried about that too huh [TS]

  oh man he plays a brilliant scientist [TS]

  and the whole time you're thinking [TS]

  you're no scientist [TS]

  yeah yeah i don't i don't want to watch [TS]

  big robots been hitting big miners that [TS]

  sounds really boring to video I don't [TS]

  know all the groups [TS]

  yeah i wanna i wanna watch bigger about [TS]

  sitting big monsters but i want to watch [TS]

  a better movie about them [TS]

  yeah well they're doing is equal yeah [TS]

  there you go i'm showing the United [TS]

  series about that are too many comic and [TS]

  that really feel like a comic book is [TS]

  the ideal venue for this I i think i [TS]

  agree with you on that point I really [TS]

  love the Shogun warriors comics of the [TS]

  seventies in the in the dramatic [TS]

  presentation short form category [TS]

  adventure in space and time which is the [TS]

  docudrama about the creation of Doctor [TS]

  Who written by Marcus [TS]

  which is excellence it's yes but not [TS]

  science fiction outsider one scene [TS]

  yeah it's not science fiction their two [TS]

  episodes of Doctor Who the day of the [TS]

  doctor in the name of the doctor so [TS]

  you've got your 50th anniversary episode [TS]

  and also the season finale of The of the [TS]

  previous season you've got the five ish [TS]

  doctors reboot which is a a comedy about [TS]

  Doctor Who by peter davison there's the [TS]

  game of Thrones episode with the red [TS]

  wedding in it and there's the orphan [TS]

  black episode that Erica hated that [TS]

  gotta take that is that is the one that [TS]

  I thought was the best episode of last [TS]

  season or the first season which is the [TS]

  one where there's the the party at [TS]

  allison clone alison's house and lots of [TS]

  bad things happen and she ties up her [TS]

  husband tries to torture him [TS]

  I don't know how I don't know how good i [TS]

  think im gonna vote the the day of the [TS]

  doctor number one because I truly truly [TS]

  love to share the 50th anniversary [TS]

  although the red wedding is also great [TS]

  an orphan black is also great how are [TS]

  you that voting for Peter Davison will [TS]

  see what I was proceeding with a comedy [TS]

  sketch it's fine it was funny it was [TS]

  cute but i just i don't think it [TS]

  compared even like that one iota to the [TS]

  day of the doctor today the dr is [TS]

  currently my favorite episode of Doctor [TS]

  Who in the last 50 yeah and doctor [TS]

  doctor who magazine whole agrees with [TS]

  you [TS]

  yes specifically the last 50 years [TS]

  yes is there a William Hartnell and held [TS]

  right at the beginning he has sex is [TS]

  pretty damn good [TS]

  now watch so much moment to the other [TS]

  day the very first episode of an [TS]

  unearthly child is a pretty darn close [TS]

  second everybody good [TS]

  it is very good yeah yeah the day of the [TS]

  doctor just it's it's the only thing [TS]

  that filled me with delight from start [TS]

  to finish out of all those just I loved [TS]

  it and I hated name of the doctor so [TS]

  yeah really interesting i have issues i [TS]

  liked parts of it but I when I watched [TS]

  yeah I don't have issues like bits and [TS]

  piece i mean at least it's not time of [TS]

  the doctor [TS]

  yeah yeah that I still yes so so so [TS]

  rains of castamere the red wedding was a [TS]

  big deal and it is certainly well [TS]

  executed although I feel like part of so [TS]

  to speak part haha part of the [TS]

  part of the nomination here is well [TS]

  important plot points happened in that [TS]

  episode [TS]

  yeah it's such a downer it makes them [TS]

  it's hard for me to vote for something [TS]

  that is just that heavy and and dark but [TS]

  it's a wedding [TS]

  yeah you're right i will never vote for [TS]

  weddings read or any other familiar [TS]

  yeah so I am I love Game of Thrones and [TS]

  that and that is my favorite orphan [TS]

  black I believe I actually nominated [TS]

  that episode and it got nominated and I [TS]

  so rarely something I nominate actually [TS]

  gets nominated I'm so off the map in [TS]

  terms of things I think are good that [TS]

  should should be on the hugo nomination [TS]

  list but very it variations under [TS]

  domestication is the orphan black [TS]

  episode I nominated and it's there so [TS]

  I'm very excited about that if I were [TS]

  voting that would be my second choice [TS]

  see I think if they would have done the [TS]

  entire if they could have said you know [TS]

  the entire series as long form or [TS]

  something or maybe even if it was a [TS]

  different episode i would probably put [TS]

  it up at number two because I adore [TS]

  orphan black but just the fact that it's [TS]

  this episode I don't think the least [TS]

  favorite it's so hard to think about [TS]

  food and rest of us like that Erica [TS]

  that's what we're saying that the [TS]

  residents might know i like it weird [TS]

  it's okay they're more parasite books [TS]

  coming so may I may or may not read them [TS]

  I like beginnings [TS]

  yeah we should say the best fancast [TS]

  category is the couch street podcast [TS]

  galactic suburbia which includes tansy [TS]

  rayner Roberts she's nominated twice [TS]

  because she's also one of the verities [TS]

  of the SF signal podcast skippy and [TS]

  fanti and that's a includes a Sean and [TS]

  and Paul who were on the nebula episode [TS]

  of teen jeopardy [TS]

  Verity I'm a writer in the critics oh [TS]

  there's that's a it's a great collection [TS]

  of podcasts they're all right there's a [TS]

  lot of podcasts it's not i know somebody [TS]

  on the Galactic suburbia podcast that's [TS]

  all nice and cool inning [TS]

  yeah Martinez very subtle mounting is [TS]

  very subtle [TS]

  yeah I noticed a glaring omission on [TS]

  best fat cast it's a fine line up but [TS]

  random track wasn't eligible yet next [TS]

  next next next year I'm talking of [TS]

  course over the income [TS]

  well I you know I as when I put it on my [TS]

  ballot I certainly did as we are more as [TS]

  we get more known who knows perhaps they [TS]

  will know us and love us [TS]

  perhaps they will know it's not love us [TS]

  knows that's impossible [TS]

  the boss that's not true that's [TS]

  impossible [TS]

  alright alright we've reached the end we [TS]

  did it we made it through except for [TS]

  almost novella still have to read before [TS]

  I vote we're gonna talk about the john w [TS]

  campbell award for best right all we [TS]

  could but that's not as you know if you [TS]

  could do you know not a Huguenot if you [TS]

  go [TS]

  not-not-not hugo award Wesley to max [TS]

  Gladstone Rome as mom who I know a [TS]

  little bit now and i like very much and [TS]

  I liked his two novels Sophia samatar we [TS]

  mentioned to the road to stranger and [TS]

  laundry and Benjamin noon oh my god i [TS]

  think is that is that a tiny mites I [TS]

  cannot do it is that a typo a man like [TS]

  it yeah battle been a dns i like to call [TS]

  him [TS]

  yeah they're nominated i have i I've [TS]

  only read Ramez and Sophia cemetery in [TS]

  that category so I I can't say well i [TS]

  really like any I like Max Gladstone a [TS]

  lot so he's gonna do you vote for this [TS]

  I'm going to vote for it yeah you can [TS]

  vote for even though it's not a hugo i [TS]

  will vote for maxence cyrin wish I read [TS]

  by Max Gladstone he wrote a sounds like [TS]

  a fake name by the way so it's like a [TS]

  superhero is like Joe seal its leader [TS]

  mad max flat stone yeah the first one is [TS]

  three parts dead so base its this I [TS]

  talked about an episode of the income [TS]

  yeah at some point i'll go back and [TS]

  listen I should listen to be [TS]

  uncomfortable here it's good i mean not [TS]

  gonna nominate no let me know it's not [TS]

  very but it's not pretty good [TS]

  well that that's for sure however I've [TS]

  heard very good things about Wesley [TS]

  choose the lives of doubt i was actually [TS]

  at his release party for that book [TS]

  chicago and i still haven't gotten [TS]

  around to reading it so it's on my list [TS]

  i'm going to and everybody says it's [TS]

  good so I'm hoping that they are not [TS]

  lying to me [TS]

  the reports dead is in the hugo packet [TS]

  because of the Campbell so i will read [TS]

  three parts dead [TS]

  you should it's good i will good can you [TS]

  find my name's Mikey buying books from [TS]

  like I've never read these books because [TS]

  there are Garrett there because there's [TS]

  just too many Hugo nominations and not [TS]

  in you go [TS]

  the Campbell read read the new drywall [TS]

  books I want to read the neutral Walton [TS]

  book I desperately want to read it [TS]

  because I love John Walton and [TS]

  everything she writes and yet you guys [TS]

  I've CCU goes in the way you guys are on [TS]

  the way I gotta listen all the fancast [TS]

  too so i can decide what I'm gonna vote [TS]

  below Verity and no war nice cover [TS]

  yeah why and and now I know the the [TS]

  people from SF signal and skipping and [TS]

  fancy to and then you can see through [TS]

  the charity is a message sorry kid [TS]

  street and writer and critic into [TS]

  jeopardy I don't know who you people are [TS]

  so i guess i gotta listen I'll have to [TS]

  listen to more podcasts what a shame [TS]

  that is a good way to find out [TS]

  on that note and on that note yes we [TS]

  have defeated the universe for another [TS]

  or have they defeated us you decide dear [TS]

  listener but for now you're going to [TS]

  close up the old Hugo bag and you can [TS]

  stay tuned at the end of august to find [TS]

  out who the winners are and we'll all be [TS]

  rooting for Erica oh yeah so so i would [TS]

  like to thank my guests as i always do [TS]

  monte actually thank you for traveling [TS]

  backward in time in your time machine to [TS]

  read the retro Hugo's science fiction [TS]

  was better than nineteen thirties news [TS]

  well it was shorter fewer pesky [TS]

  characters and dialogue to deal with [TS]

  back then more space pirates and [TS]

  airships yes thanks David lower for [TS]

  being here and now you're going to be [TS]

  you're going to die and be taken aboard [TS]

  zeppelin it's happened before [TS]

  yeah it will be different time Scott [TS]

  melty thank you for joining me on this [TS]

  journey again through many books some of [TS]

  which we might not have chosen to read [TS]

  too but we read them because we had to [TS]

  it is our lot in life [TS]

  yeah Jason this is the path we have [TS]

  chosen Ashley now we must block it next [TS]

  year we're gonna skip the he goes right [TS]

  we're just going to the nebulous all [TS]

  nebula solve it depends on if they give [TS]

  americana award that's true we do the [TS]

  five fancast I have no trouble with [TS]

  those and Erica thanks for being here [TS]

  and good luck on your human nomination [TS]

  it's very exciting [TS]

  oh thank you very much i hope we can all [TS]

  still be friends yes not because of you [TS]

  guys is because the people are different [TS]

  opinion fit you mean once you're famous [TS]

  in [TS]

  you want me over by throwing the last [TS]

  half of parasite under the bus that was [TS]

  like I'll go with that was going to put [TS]

  it under the bus maybe under the seat on [TS]

  the bus [TS]

  mmm yeah yeah but I hbu what you don't [TS]

  know is that i made a hole under the [TS]

  seat [TS]

  crap I I said the bus on fire so don't [TS]

  worry [TS]

  well i hope none of you has a tapeworm [TS]

  all I'll say about that and I love your [TS]

  classic catchphrase about tapeworms [TS]

  alright that wraps it up this time we [TS]

  hope to give you some good reading [TS]

  suggestions once again visit the [TS]

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  you next week bye everybody [TS]