◼ ► But I realize just today that this is episode number five which means that we are halfway towards our experimental [TS]
◼ ► limit of ten episodes so we're fifty percent of the way through this at this stage we're getting a lot of comments [TS]
◼ ► and questions about what happens beyond ten. You can have a myspace comments. Yes I have definitely seen them. [TS]
◼ ► You know what I'm going to go overseas again and some poor food and keel over. Yes that's partly true. [TS]
◼ ► and I am also mainly worried that we will just run out of things to talk about you know maybe that will make it to [TS]
◼ ► So that's that part of the reason why we have these ten episodes a number is to see if we can even make it that far [TS]
◼ ► like that awkward silence on a date or something when you get to that point do you realize I have nothing left to say. [TS]
◼ ► Yes follow up from last time or follow up from what's come before. Got anything on anything you want to talk about. [TS]
◼ ► but before I forget I wanted to mention that I was very happy to see that a couple of people found out the kind of [TS]
◼ ► little secret of our intro. It's not a song but our intro sound that plays right at the beginning. [TS]
◼ ► but I will just say that there is there is something interesting to be found out about that intro sound if you are [TS]
◼ ► paying attention and I have seen some commenters figure it out and well done to those commenters are very pleased. [TS]
◼ ► I wasn't sure if anyone would ever notice but a couple people did so that may be very happy. [TS]
◼ ► and he does a bunch of the music for your videos in particular as the guy the guy's a genius and stories. [TS]
◼ ► but hey he's really good at making making that music look really good on the piano especially I really like his piano [TS]
◼ ► The chemistry Yule log he did he did it was that was not the thing the thing I love that with without him is like in [TS]
◼ ► World you know there's only so many things we can do and we often ask for help tightly from the writers [TS]
◼ ► and it's so brilliant that so pretty I thought how much they help us you know these days volunteers [TS]
◼ ► but the thing is because they are volunteers and everyone in the world is busy they do things on the road [TS]
◼ ► or could really use this piece of music that kind of creates the atmosphere of me walking around a cemetery [TS]
◼ ► and before I get back to like my house on my hotel he's like play that and record of the you know to me [TS]
◼ ► And then to your local police as well as as he said he made this hour long film which I would recommend people watch [TS]
◼ ► and just played the music live too not like he just watched it and reacted to what he was seeing on the screen [TS]
◼ ► and if you do watch it that is the that is the best reason to watch it just to see just to see just what you guys [TS]
◼ ► and recommend the people got it because it is it is others it is the most different kind of yule log you will ever see [TS]
◼ ► For that reason but yeah the music that goes along with it is quite good so he's great he's Diana thank you. [TS]
◼ ► and I went through a very large number of different sounds and eventually selected that one [TS]
◼ ► and I think I think it's working pretty well as the opening so I had to recruit he created loads of design I went [TS]
◼ ► and it turns out that finding good sounds is surprisingly is surprisingly hard to do so anyway I was very happy to see [TS]
◼ ► In that intro sound that we have so I just want to mention that and that is there for other people to try [TS]
◼ ► or I did a call for reviews from different countries around the world if we can get them in the i Tunes store [TS]
◼ ► and so I'm very pleased to see that we've got four new countries that have left reviews in the i Tunes stores [TS]
◼ ► So thanks to the listeners in those places who have you been to any of those places that I have been I have been to [TS]
◼ ► and then Norway is basically the opposite right of just nature in every direction an absolutely astounding nature in [TS]
◼ ► every direction so I've been to two of those places have you. Any of those places I have been to too as well. [TS]
◼ ► If unlucky history you've got to that's a good place I was going to say right because you have been there for Bible [TS]
◼ ► Yes my you just basically I realize you bring up all my channels like pretending to be nice [TS]
◼ ► but really you're just mocking me for having so many channels I am not mocking I am envious. [TS]
◼ ► Oh yes that is that's in Jerusalem that's the I think it's called the Church of the holy sceptical. [TS]
◼ ► and because this is really important place where it's the church is supposedly built over there. [TS]
◼ ► So they all have different parts of it like the Greek Orthodox Christians might have that alcove over there [TS]
◼ ► and that little that little section of the church there belongs to these people and it's a real little. [TS]
◼ ► Sometimes it can be a real little Turner for its aims and very famously there is this ladder [TS]
◼ ► and if you look it up on Wikipedia and everywhere you go you can read all about it it's like it's really famous. [TS]
◼ ► and I don't know what for maybe someone was doing some painting or something and then there was this big dispute about. [TS]
◼ ► So you carried out it looks like there's this some workman has left his letter there but it's been there for tens [TS]
◼ ► and tens of years and it's going to be interesting stories behind it and someone once moved [TS]
◼ ► but I think we should turn this into a business partly because I'm definitely not going to the comments. [TS]
◼ ► and that was I saw that one of your bible text leaders I think the the comments could not be more delicate than the [TS]
◼ ► If you appreciate my phrasing of it but you wanted a different word than infringing to describe [TS]
◼ ► when something like a newspaper really hosts one of our videos and puts their own ads on it [TS]
◼ ► and earns money off of it that you you didn't like the word infringing to describe this activity because you thought [TS]
◼ ► Well maner is not the word I would use. Then make one thing clear from the start. This all started because of you. [TS]
◼ ► Yes And you calling it stealing. That is exactly right and I think that was a Freudian slip. [TS]
◼ ► Well and I think I know I think you have secretly your subconscious has nailed your true colours to the mast [TS]
◼ ► His casualties saying things that upon reflection you think that is not there is not what my actual position is. [TS]
◼ ► So yes you are correct that I was inaccurate in my first descriptions but I think that it is a side issue. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah Intellectually I understand between going up and punching some grandmother in the face and taking a handbag [TS]
◼ ► I mean I think what a big tabloid newspaper does to us is probably worse than what some you know a starving child might [TS]
◼ ► But you did tell me I mean I think you can talk about this again Greg you said it's like i pod casts that evolving [TS]
◼ ► conversation. So that's why we all keep on. So here we go again. I have been reading people's comments. [TS]
◼ ► when you take a look you know dictionary definitions of infringing you see words like encroaching and undermining [TS]
◼ ► and contravening And I think these are these are software it's these are words that are cushioning. [TS]
◼ ► and I know it is semantics anyway and maybe I've just always misunderstood the word infringing [TS]
◼ ► and it is humoring me by coming up with these words. No it's obvious everyone agrees with you. [TS]
◼ ► Well I think people reading through the comment I think the general consensus was that I am I think I would say it's [TS]
◼ ► but there were a fair number of people who did like this idea of trying to come up with some different word that [TS]
◼ ► Freebooting freebooting freebooting because basically it was inspired by a few people saying different things [TS]
◼ ► and I came along I came across this word freebooting which is to do with piracy and looting and taking things [TS]
◼ ► and I like that it's got the word free in it because they're taking things and you know taking things without paying. [TS]
◼ ► and a cowboy activity so I mean I'm going to put a freebooting out there I guess I assume that this was a word that you [TS]
◼ ► were just made up that we're going to undermine a freebooting like that the witch unary even has to say about that. [TS]
◼ ► Now those freebooters taken our videos are sick of it for you know this phrase are you saying it's a serious issue. [TS]
◼ ► I think these freebooters if you sound citizen fear I fear ridiculous that we're still talking about this [TS]
◼ ► but anyway on out now it's not ridiculous punk ass punk I think go on forever about these kinds of things. [TS]
◼ ► It's funny because the reason you like it is I think the reason I don't like it which is the free part in the beginning. [TS]
◼ ► but it is interesting that you found a word that is related related to piracy which is sort of related to infringement [TS]
◼ ► you know obvious and I was not the same thing people put it in the same it in the same world of acting. [TS]
◼ ► I love the looting is it the the booting is a strong point of the free in the weakness the fray doesn't make it does [TS]
◼ ► again soften the blow of it saying that freestyle you know makes a sound a bit fun and nice you know free wheeling. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah there were a few that I thought might might not be bad but freebooting is a genuinely new one that is coming [TS]
◼ ► and so it is coming without any kind of baggage so it's interesting interesting that they're so well thanks for [TS]
◼ ► or are you going to stand right because in the comment section for this pod cast we will have to see what people think [TS]
◼ ► about the free booting term and maybe they'll be more to discuss in a future episode. One never knows. [TS]
◼ ► I don't know I don't know how to think of the I think the title of the title is the tricky part but freebooting. [TS]
◼ ► People people listening now will already know because we don't know we're recording is live from our perspective [TS]
◼ ► when the strange things about podcasting So we will see if I have used the word freebooting in the title or not. [TS]
◼ ► Excellent anyway. And he will follow. I have nothing on my list other than other than those few items. [TS]
◼ ► and put a if you can see if I keep using it in this country in Chile it's going to be interrupted right somebody for [TS]
◼ ► and put it on You Tube which was kind of funny since I think it was one that was the one we were talking a copyright I [TS]
◼ ► don't remember exactly where you can remember those for you because they have a sense of humor. [TS]
◼ ► and talk about the now I think so I think there is. We have cleared out the follow up for this episode. [TS]
◼ ► Oh OK I just want to thank the person who wrote in the comments and referred to me as the white Morgan Freeman. [TS]
◼ ► It was a special moment for me and I will treasure that we have that it has had a very nice [TS]
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◼ ► and it is why for example that I chose to host this podcast on square space because I suspected there might be a whole [TS]
◼ ► and there sure was we ended up getting several hundred thousand downloads of the first few episodes [TS]
◼ ► and just the relief of knowing that it was going to work from my previous experiences with Squarespace was just in [TS]
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◼ ► Say you're a photographer or you run a business and you're trying to get placement in the media [TS]
◼ ► or you're trying to get yourself mentioned on social media you want to have an unlimited plan to back you up on that [TS]
◼ ► and Squarespace has a new metric app which allows you to check your stats on the go which you. Can do. [TS]
◼ ► So again square space is good for everyone whether you need a simple web site solution or you're a developer [TS]
◼ ► and you want to get into the code there are just so many options and it starts at just eight dollars a month [TS]
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◼ ► and show your support for this pod cast you can also get a square space by clicking the link in the show notes [TS]
◼ ► and going to squarespace dot com slash hello internet. That's all one word squarespace dot com slash hello internet. [TS]
◼ ► What do you know as you know I have been in the middle of moving flats which is part of the craziness we referred to in [TS]
◼ ► As of last week I was I was trying to we were launching this podcast I had a video that was way over due and my wife [TS]
◼ ► and I were flat hunting in London for various time sensitive reasons and so everything happened at once [TS]
◼ ► and that has been what has kind of been occupying a lot of my time during the day is is that big project which was a [TS]
◼ ► you know what do you like when you move past because you're kind of I always think of you as this high tech guy [TS]
◼ ► Is there any is there anything to get how do you utilize technology when you're moving house. [TS]
◼ ► But I would say that I I enjoy moving mainly because it is a great excuse to purge as many physical items from my life [TS]
◼ ► And people people around me as are in the orbit of my life know this that I am I am not a fan of physical objects and. [TS]
◼ ► Sometimes people want to give me gifts you know people in my life I know it's my birthday or at some event [TS]
◼ ► or some celebration and I'm always trying to people the best gift that you can give me is nothing. [TS]
◼ ► and to then not have the burden of this object to take care of or to have in my house at some place [TS]
◼ ► And whenever you move that is just the perfect opportunity to get rid of as many things as you possibly can. [TS]
◼ ► And so I feel like over the course of my life there have been two trends with each move I've sort of cut down [TS]
◼ ► and that is the bulk of the things that are personally mine and then there's always a miscellany of that is around. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah what what I'm like What is your what is your flat look like is it just like white walls [TS]
◼ ► Like pictures of my you know my ideal place would be as empty and as spartan as possible you know. [TS]
◼ ► But of course you know you have to have stuff in your apartment with couches and you need cutlery [TS]
◼ ► and everyone so why do you go through all my stuff and they go OK what can I get rid of and I get real. [TS]
◼ ► but that's what something you've got rid of over the last couple of days as you prepare for this continent. Thanks. [TS]
◼ ► OK So actually one of the things that I've gotten rid of was some old work clothes that had somehow still been able to [TS]
◼ ► live at the back of my closet unnoticed from my teaching days so I was very happy to get rid of those. [TS]
◼ ► So some some jackets and some ties that had somehow escaped my notice so I was very pleased to get rid of those [TS]
◼ ► but I haven't done my proper purge yet because it's just been involved with other things so tomorrow is actually going [TS]
◼ ► and a teddy bear from my childhood and and a bunch of stones I've collected from places around the world [TS]
◼ ► and got trophies and framed pictures of all the cricket bats and an old fashioned telescope [TS]
◼ ► and what's the emotion you feel at the thought of only intrinsics trinkets even the word it's so gross. [TS]
◼ ► Just what do you want to use that space photo like if you have all the space that I don't have how do you play live [TS]
◼ ► and so this is why I really like to just empty out as much as humanly possible so that is that is my feeling towards [TS]
◼ ► No I have I have no mentors really I mean I was we have like pictures and things are not a crazy person right. [TS]
◼ ► and I do we call memory shots where we're not necessarily trying to get a good picture like oh look at this beautiful [TS]
◼ ► mountain or anything we're just taking a picture so that we remember whatever it is in the future you know [TS]
◼ ► But the worst thing I could imagine is you know buying some like a junky key ring of the Eiffel Tower to be like oh [TS]
◼ ► And now this thing just has to be there in your life forever taking up space is just terrible. [TS]
◼ ► I'm comparing the original computer and off which of course it is great that somebody else stores that right. [TS]
◼ ► I love that there archivists to keep track of all of the stuff I just I have no need to be some kind of archivist for [TS]
◼ ► Isn't that what your house is you know in a way it's a little it can be a little museum if you bought it so gross. [TS]
◼ ► Do space your house is space is to be used in an optimal way it is it's not like up and you would say museum right. [TS]
◼ ► You were being buried entombed with all of this stuff that you have collected over a lifetime [TS]
◼ ► but I will just say that that my my wife has made the comment which might not be untrue that you know the T.V. [TS]
◼ ► and my wife says I get my not be untrue that I am basically like the opposite of a hoarder in that right. [TS]
◼ ► Hoarders have a hard time letting go of objects obviously too hard of a time letting go of objects [TS]
◼ ► I have too easy of a time letting go of objects and that I'm just way too willing to just get rid of stuff. [TS]
◼ ► So I am not necessarily arguing with her there is no intention here just to she say oh no can i please keep that as you [TS]
◼ ► sort of throw away the whole mess and agent ring. Now I know I would never I would never throw away her stuff. [TS]
◼ ► and there is a flip side to this which is which is on the computer I keep way more stuff than is probably reasonable. [TS]
◼ ► but I you know I probably have hundreds of thousands of digital files of some kind or another on my computer. [TS]
◼ ► Right it doesn't take up any physical space I don't need to see it so that doesn't that doesn't. [TS]
◼ ► and I think people are going to like it isn't gray so cool he's not functional and he's the modern digital man [TS]
◼ ► Yeah you do realize this is unusual trait is behavior you're exhibiting is highly unusual to be this extreme about [TS]
◼ ► Wouldn't also do and what it like what are you going to do when you are ten years or twenty years older [TS]
◼ ► and so you have to just not leave because things you know I mean we could've just taken photos of the moon [TS]
◼ ► but we wanted to go and step on a touch of this world you know. I'm arguing that people shouldn't go to the moon. [TS]
◼ ► I'm also arguing that one astronaut there on the moon they should grab all the moon stuff they possibly can [TS]
◼ ► but somebody should definitely keep that that's what we have museums for so that's kind of my thoughts on this. [TS]
◼ ► and living in an absolutely tiny tiny London flat. Definitely bring that home in a way that that. [TS]
◼ ► Now but anyway so now I'm looking forward to ditching all my stuff tomorrow. I am flying tomorrow. [TS]
◼ ► and you would like someone who gets it done and I have a checklist that I use every time for packing. Not really. [TS]
◼ ► That might surprise you but I have a I have a checklist I mentioned before I use a program called on the focus [TS]
◼ ► and I have a checklist that I can really activate every time I'm about to pack that has an enormous list of things that [TS]
◼ ► are the potential things that I might need to bring with me and so I use that I usually pack the day before [TS]
◼ ► For no particular reason I don't I don't like you at all. But so you involves a whole bunch of physical objects. [TS]
◼ ► I find it yeah I find it uncomfortable and stressful and I still worry about forgetting stuff [TS]
◼ ► but what time are you leaving tomorrow because we're recording this at like eight o'clock at night and leaving. [TS]
◼ ► I will always leave it to the last possible minute and you know how that worked out for you. [TS]
◼ ► and this is this is been a particularly unpleasant unpleasant one because I'm going away for quite a long time. [TS]
◼ ► and I'm going to be working while I'm away which is unusual for me to to be editing while I'm away [TS]
◼ ► Forgetting how terrible I am with computers and the problems I have with software and all sorts of things [TS]
◼ ► and now I'm actually you know becoming a bit anxious about oh so and this is this is aside from like any clothes [TS]
◼ ► and things that I'm going to need some sort of more worried about what hard drives and I'm going to need [TS]
◼ ► and which cables and what microphone and what lens and the software computer things been causing me the most problems. [TS]
◼ ► You have a mountain of tapes and hard drives that you work with for all of the all of the video that you captured. [TS]
◼ ► You know a lot about a lot of material so you have to manage which of those drives are going to actually bring with him [TS]
◼ ► not taking the big draft at me I'm just dragging over bits and pieces and I think I might need. [TS]
◼ ► Nothing nothing works on all the stuff only sold the software or paid a fortune for nothing works [TS]
◼ ► and looking on the Internet to find out if there's a way to make this piece of software work on that [TS]
◼ ► People always think I must be about computers because I work on them but I don't I'm rubbish. It's been an E.Q. [TS]
◼ ► and just sought me out for that day and that's what we're going to be able to help you there [TS]
◼ ► As soon as we finish I'll probably think I think how much I don't want one of our videos get a sucker for the thing I [TS]
◼ ► would like to I am all think all right now I'm definitely going to back you how you did help me the other day [TS]
◼ ► and it's funny that I forgot my headphones because like you do have this kind of technology mentor role in my life. [TS]
◼ ► I know kind of like my own personal sort of Siri that I that I say do I need an app for this [TS]
◼ ► Yes I have I have noticed this that you have you are leaning on me for recommendations and in particular [TS]
◼ ► You just purchase the you know the i Phone case that I recommended so we both have phones that look exactly the same [TS]
◼ ► and right now you intellectually know that's not the case it's really makes you feel really anxious [TS]
◼ ► but the funny thing is the one piece of technology that I recommended to me was these headphones so I take [TS]
◼ ► So the great irony was that I then forgot my headphones going on this trip and it was like a long trip [TS]
◼ ► and I had signs unacceptable so I did I did text you and you kind of counseled me through the pros [TS]
◼ ► and cons of of purchasing another pair of those. But let's clarify the situation here for people right. [TS]
◼ ► So what we're not what you're talking about I don't know the name of the Bose noise canceling head. [TS]
◼ ► Level headphone active noise canceling they're just very very good at isolating noise and for doing audio editing [TS]
◼ ► and video editing the basically a requirement once you've ever tried. How did I ever get work done before this. [TS]
◼ ► and I had this quandary is too high to make another pair so I guess so so you were at the airport [TS]
◼ ► and from my perspective you knew what the right decision was the right decision is I'm going to be stepping onto an [TS]
◼ ► airplane in which I have no control over my environment it's going to be very uncomfortable for a long period of time [TS]
◼ ► and I need to get a bunch of work done on these flights should I purchase this pair of headphones that will allow me to [TS]
◼ ► have a little bit of more comfort and to get more work done. And obviously the answer was yes right. [TS]
◼ ► Yes you should purchase these headphones again at the airport because when you're on the plane. [TS]
◼ ► Right that's that you can do nothing about right this screaming babies right or they're just people who talk loud [TS]
◼ ► or there's all kinds of just stuff that can distract you in a terrible way he says things to just take that all away. [TS]
◼ ► Yes And the only thing that you can do to protect yourself is to have a set of noise cancelling headphones [TS]
◼ ► It would totally make sense to buy them but you were hemming and hawing from my perspective just no. [TS]
◼ ► and you contacted me because you knew that I would bully you into buying headphones so that you could get your work [TS]
◼ ► done and have a slightly more comfortable flight which I believe you did in the end is that great [TS]
◼ ► That's right so this is also where you can blame me for making you buy the headphones even though it was obviously the [TS]
◼ ► right choice. OK probably takes you in the airport tomorrow and say you know going to believe this. [TS]
◼ ► I'm looking over and looking over my own pre-flight checklist and it is who it is enormous. [TS]
◼ ► and then the packing too like a bunch of you need to get ready before you can pack in a sense. [TS]
◼ ► I have a note to make sure that I have downloaded an update on my pod casts printing backup information for flights [TS]
◼ ► and things that I can't possibly need wherever I'm going to because I want my wallet to have the least number of things [TS]
◼ ► So one of them is find out the emergency phone number in the country that you're going to just sort of have that on the [TS]
◼ ► and then get into the packing section so I have this long list do you realize how much you're filling me with more [TS]
◼ ► panic they're not going to be as good as they were many of these things go right so I have to have packed the go pro [TS]
◼ ► Passport Irish passport laptop power converters i Phone i Pad wires got a thing that I hate the most. H.S.B.C. [TS]
◼ ► but like that little that little key thing that you need to punch a number into log into your P.C. [TS]
◼ ► Bank I hate that thing so much I have literally taken that around the world to one of them I need to take it with me. [TS]
◼ ► Fitbit Oh here we go pack noise cancelling headphones that's the book. Bose headphones. Wireless headphones. [TS]
◼ ► when you get into America there's a section where you have to fill out this little custom card [TS]
◼ ► but that conflicts with my dislike of nature which Boy Scouts obviously involves a lot of so you know nature is just [TS]
◼ ► It's so untidy nature so I mean I remember we went for a walk around the forest in California didn't it was some of the [TS]
◼ ► some of the gang we just facing that we now know that's that's different right because those kinds of things are [TS]
◼ ► From my perspective right there like a little path we're going to walk around it's sort of a nice it's a nice change [TS]
◼ ► or I'm going to put myself through this physically uncomfortable process of you know spending a night a night outdoors [TS]
◼ ► and the indoors indoors is very nice. So Boy Scouts was not for me so I went to the toilet in the Polo. [TS]
◼ ► Like like a hole in the ground in a little shed and it was like a very smelly and very very unpleasant. [TS]
◼ ► But also this little toilet shed had a purpose it was also where they tried today yet so over three walls where the [TS]
◼ ► toll was was like see it from ground to ceiling. Yep done just piled just pats piled on top of each other. [TS]
◼ ► I go I would try to avoid putting myself in that kind of travel situation in the first place. [TS]
◼ ► when you go to the toilet in Japan they have those like Consols with buttons and you know what. [TS]
◼ ► While we're on the topic I can imagine that Japan is going to come up very fickle in the pocket [TS]
◼ ► It's just super neat and tidy. Right so just like any store everywhere you go and everything is tiny boxes. [TS]
◼ ► As if God if I could make that a cultural thing in the world I would so do that I deeply appreciate everyone who wears [TS]
◼ ► a face mask when they are sick I just I think that is that is the greatest So they're all sick [TS]
◼ ► and I always like Oh I think they're trying to avoid getting sick from a you know if I take offense to it. [TS]
◼ ► and never ever you know not in a bun in the very cosmopolitan place every once a while I will see some some Japanese [TS]
◼ ► people who have a face mask on. As I got I am so thankful for you to you for wearing that face mask. [TS]
◼ ► Obviously this is what everybody should do but it is not what everybody does and then you are in underground [TS]
◼ ► and all the people who have touched them and how many of them have been sick and sneezing and coughing [TS]
◼ ► and it's just it's amazing that people can not be sick all the time considering how many other human beings you are [TS]
◼ ► exposed to. So yeah. Anyway as a side note Japan thumbs up for me for the face masks. Well done guys. I really love it. [TS]
◼ ► Can we go to this music festival there called Fuji Rock which is you know a music festival tours [TS]
◼ ► Anyway I won't bore you with the details of the festival I don't know what you know of music festivals [TS]
◼ ► Lawlessness and unsanitary conditions as they are for the music like us to bring famously the toilets are terrible [TS]
◼ ► and like people will put it like a picnic crowd getting ready for the music and we put their valuables on [TS]
◼ ► and then just go decide they want to go and get a drink or something and just leave their stuff [TS]
◼ ► It'll just be left the itemizing by at one point I lost like a camera I left my camera in a toilet Funnily enough the [TS]
◼ ► Someone found it handed in I got my camera back later they catch you they will line up at the recycling bins to make [TS]
◼ ► sure they put the right rubbish in the rightly so a long time with those people lining up for what's at the end [TS]
◼ ► but you wouldn't you know this is if you're going to go to a music festival this is probably the only one I mention you [TS]
◼ ► So music festivals in Japan I guess maybe I will go to everywhere else. No thank you it looks terrible. [TS]
◼ ► Let me tell you one other observation about this music festival I think would lead on to the topic that we were [TS]
◼ ► thinking of discussing today because another thing I was talking to an English guy who runs was involved with running [TS]
◼ ► this festival guys and actually joining thing because he was in the Boomtown Rats for people who are into real music [TS]
◼ ► and he said one of the things the Japanese people really liked about this festival was a deliberate decision they made [TS]
◼ ► to not plaster advertising everywhere. It's like saying on this mountainside and trees and it's a very beautiful place. [TS]
◼ ► And they've kept it looking very natural whereas most places you go in Japan obviously you know you have your lots [TS]
◼ ► and you can't you can't move your eyes anywhere without being completely bombarded by advertising. [TS]
◼ ► And he said For them it's a really strange and enjoyable experience to be able to go somewhere for two or three days [TS]
◼ ► and not see advertising absolutely everywhere. So speaking in saying advertising absolutely everywhere. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah that's one of the things we were thinking about talking about today is the advertising industry. [TS]
◼ ► when is it not OK ad blocker that like there's a whole world of things related to the advertising world. [TS]
◼ ► There's some topics in life where I think it is almost impossible to have some kind of consistent opinion that you also [TS]
◼ ► and I think advertising is is one of those kinds of things no matter what your thoughts are in advertising no matter [TS]
◼ ► how much you think it through there's always going to be some point where you're acting in a way that is hypocritical [TS]
◼ ► to what you might think if you if you wrote it down on a piece of paper and said This is the way stuff should be. [TS]
◼ ► but I just I think that that's the opener there is I am probably going to say things that are inconsistent with things [TS]
◼ ► and I think that that is also why it's an interesting topic is the many different layers to this. [TS]
◼ ► So I mean are you thinking about advertising sort of in the context closest to home for us. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah so that's that's kind of the place to start is that both of us have our incomes dependent on advertising [TS]
◼ ► advertising if you don't watch one of my videos there's advertising on it if you go to watch one of your videos there's [TS]
◼ ► advertising on it through various means sometimes that people click sometimes even if they don't. [TS]
◼ ► and how many You Tubers make their livings is is through that may be the place to start is the most contentious on the [TS]
◼ ► But ad blocking software exists and you can you can find many people saying very many different things about it [TS]
◼ ► And before I say anything I'm going to put you on the spot do you have any initial thoughts about ad blocking software [TS]
◼ ► Now I never think about it and in fact one of the first times I have ever I mean I'm aware of of course [TS]
◼ ► and I see comments about it and I'll see a comment on my video but some of these ads are a pain in the backside [TS]
◼ ► and sometimes I don't want to use ad block probably three thousand and stuff so many of you [TS]
◼ ► and I just kind of let that wash over me but the other day I was talking to someone about my he was a big watcher [TS]
◼ ► and he did say to me how do you feel about blocking software I use and what do you think about it [TS]
◼ ► I take it if it was going to kind of like yes it undermines a source of income for us in the fringes upon that. [TS]
◼ ► and I should point out that you know advertising isn't isn't the complete baled an endo for me for I write my business [TS]
◼ ► model and likewise for you to help me with other things coming coming up stream subs and with sub will as well. [TS]
◼ ► but it is definitely for me anyway I can say that advertising is the majority of my you know and it's for [TS]
◼ ► and it sustains you know it helps the creators get paid as you know most of the time there are other ways they can be [TS]
◼ ► So yeah I guess that's just my that's my default position but I don't feel any fire and brimstone about it. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I was I was I was googling around earlier today trying to find some numbers for you know what. [TS]
◼ ► and the numbers that we're saying thirty percent were coming from ad blocking software themselves. [TS]
◼ ► and therefore they're likely to be more likely to have it than someone who just occasionally What is your idea to get a [TS]
◼ ► and so I think here here's here's where the complication comes in for me sitting down just thinking about a situation. [TS]
◼ ► I think there is no argument against that because there are so many things that rely on advertising to be made [TS]
◼ ► and I often see people say you know whatever it is should use some kind of alternative funding method you know you [TS]
◼ ► but that doesn't change the fact that lots of things on the Internet just couldn't exist without advertising in there [TS]
◼ ► Or at the very people who say you know you should have a different business model would like it weigh less if. [TS]
◼ ► Every video site on the internet suddenly charged membership fees and there was just no where to watch videos for free. [TS]
◼ ► You buy that. That is obviously worse for everybody. And like my own videos I like lots of people to see my videos. [TS]
◼ ► The problem is and I'm forgetting the name for it but it's like it is an economic name for this. [TS]
◼ ► But the impact of ad blocking software on any one individual's computer is not going to break anything. [TS]
◼ ► Still conflict is that for any one person they can say well it doesn't make a difference to creator X. [TS]
◼ ► But as the number of people who say that increases it does start to become a problem in aggregate [TS]
◼ ► and I was trying to think think through some of some of my thoughts on this a little bit earlier [TS]
◼ ► and so while I can say that you know I shouldn't have ad blocking software advertising is what is supporting a lot of [TS]
◼ ► Some of that kept popping into my mind is a comparison with fast forwarding the commercials on T.V. [TS]
◼ ► Where people have like a Tivo Now fast forward through the commercials I think that she would even have like a [TS]
◼ ► commercial skip button. Apparently I'm not exactly sure how that works. Yeah we deliberately like it as a T.V. [TS]
◼ ► Show we want to watch we deliberately go for a cuppa tayo something to build up a bit so you can fast for the ads. [TS]
◼ ► So here's why I can feel that very passionately about the Internet and like I totally love the internet [TS]
◼ ► and I think ad blocking software in aggregate is bad for the Internet I would never even like hesitate [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I mean it wouldn't it would not even wouldn't even cause a nano seconds worth of hesitation in my mind like well [TS]
◼ ► obviously I was going to fast for these commercials but the same exact arguments apply right that T.V. [TS]
◼ ► and so that's why I mean it's impossible to just not be a total hypocrite in some way with regard to the advertising [TS]
◼ ► The companies are kind of you know that guess as to who's watching in terms of that fast forwarding scenario as far as [TS]
◼ ► So so many fast forwarding through the ads when I watch a T.V. Show is is not is it different. [TS]
◼ ► It seems different tonight. I understand I understand the principle is the same but it's not quite such a direct hit. [TS]
◼ ► So I would argue that that it is is absolutely no different at all though if you wanted to be different you think oh [TS]
◼ ► but the fundamental argument still applies that advertisers are trying to figure out whether it is cost effective to [TS]
◼ ► Right and in some sense from the advertisers perspective they just care if an advertising campaign is profitable. [TS]
◼ ► and the rest of it can be a bit of a black box from their perspective so people who are some some portion of the population [TS]
◼ ► blocking ads in some parts of the population fast forwarding that is built into what's called like a like a return on [TS]
◼ ► investment calculation that the advertisers have to do is it worth buying more advertising in this particular medium [TS]
◼ ► So that's what I was doing the same thing earlier and I was thinking about like I'm trying to find a way that T.V. [TS]
◼ ► I mean so you're saying find me fast forwarding the ads through Downton Abbey on not allowing myself to be influenced [TS]
◼ ► and that all gets factored into how many cans of Coke I sell that gets factored into some big equation. [TS]
◼ ► and so you're you're skipping ads are sort of making Downton Abbey less profitable per view from the from the [TS]
◼ ► and advertising I'm not right I guess that's one thing that drives me absolutely crazy because these this argument come. [TS]
◼ ► and the thing that drives me crazy is that people who are on the Internet said Oh I never click an ad [TS]
◼ ► and so it doesn't matter if I run a blocking software anyway. But that's not how a lot of the advertisements work. [TS]
◼ ► You know like on on You Tube I have to be the for some reason but sometimes you get paid because someone clicks but. [TS]
◼ ► and buy something that is not how all of the ads work. How many of them work but not all of them. Yes. [TS]
◼ ► and I hate stuff like this where I can't I can't come to a perfectly consistent opinion about you know what should be [TS]
◼ ► or how things should work. Do you said looking software. Right so that is the question isn't it right. [TS]
◼ ► Do I have ad blocker installed on my own computer and the answer is that I do I do. Now you're depriving me. [TS]
◼ ► and I have it set for a bunch of Web sites that I regularly visit because I don't want to deprive them of impression [TS]
◼ ► and again you know I can't speak to specifics because of the sort of contractors I'm with you too [TS]
◼ ► And so so yeah this is where the conflict comes from is it's like it's a symbolic gesture almost in both ways right. [TS]
◼ ► or to add block because there are that there's one site in particular that I'm kind of happy to to the ad log on [TS]
◼ ► but it is impossible to avoid them sometimes it's like I don't want my accidental clicks you know to give this place [TS]
◼ ► I'm going to say image because that's how I say it in my mind I don't think that's really how it's pronounced [TS]
◼ ► but it's I M G U R Yeah and I'm probably going to make a lot of people very angry when I say this [TS]
◼ ► and I haven't been since the beginning because I think its whole existence is predicated on just massive copyright [TS]
◼ ► infringement that is basically what the flip side is is the place for people to to host it. [TS]
◼ ► It's a place where people are free but as well as everywhere. Well no the users are not freebooters. [TS]
◼ ► I give you just enough freebooters But the Web site as a whole is I'm so happy to hear you say for you because I think [TS]
◼ ► one of the places that it really gets me on Reddit is people will host people finding some web comic that they think is [TS]
◼ ► really funny and they upload it to image or and then submit it to read it because an image or loads very quickly [TS]
◼ ► What has happened here is that you've now directed Reddit traffic to an image that does not belong to image but image [TS]
◼ ► and the original web comic artist is not getting any revenue from that at all and you know you might call it stealing. [TS]
◼ ► But but it it really bothers me I mean I under I understand the need for a site like image or to some extent [TS]
◼ ► and there are historical reasons why image hosting sites exist which I think are less of a modern problem. [TS]
◼ ► But it used to be that you know you could just assume that anybody's web site would just completely crash [TS]
◼ ► and so nobody would be able to see the thing in the first place which is why sites like imagery came into existence [TS]
◼ ► Web sites crashing under the pressure so there's a story for reasons why the thing kind of exists [TS]
◼ ► I wish that people would link to the actual webcomic or the actual photographer who took this picture [TS]
◼ ► and not just put everything up on this gallery so I have I have conflicted feelings about image [TS]
◼ ► but it's hugely popular with the Reddit people so I imagine lots of groups are going to be angry about that. [TS]
◼ ► I agree about my dislike of it but I don't but if you use what it is just impossible to avoid an image [TS]
◼ ► or a good case for its own event you might make people angry but I think it's a fair point. [TS]
◼ ► So here's here's where I think that like a really interesting question about blocking software is is that there's an [TS]
◼ ► or what are the rights that a computer user has to control the software that runs on their machine. [TS]
◼ ► And that's where I think that ad blocking software is very interesting because I'm of I'm a very much absolutist over [TS]
◼ ► I think that general purpose computers which are laptops mean they can argue they can run any computer code that you [TS]
◼ ► and blocking software because I think that you really should be able to have just total control over your machine [TS]
◼ ► but one of them ran a fund raising campaign recently which is which is what has gotten this on my mind for the past [TS]
◼ ► And I I have very very deep misgivings about a company that exists to create ad blocking software. How do you mean. [TS]
◼ ► I almost feel the world I would want to live in is one where ad blocking software is not available to the general [TS]
◼ ► You can run it on your own machine thing at blocking software but the one you've got to make. [TS]
◼ ► No Oh God no I would never give them any money so I think you can use for OK So this is this is the one I'm running is [TS]
◼ ► It's just called block I guess so many variations of it I'm not even sure that's the full name [TS]
◼ ► and internet without advertisements. And they're trying to promote the trying to promote this to people. [TS]
◼ ► when you talk about the police that is making the ad blocking software I think you can very clearly point to them [TS]
◼ ► and say like you are making the Internet worse in a way that you can't assign the blame to the individual users because [TS]
◼ ► But the ad blocking software company themselves they're the ones that allows this aggregate genuine impact to occur [TS]
◼ ► This is this is exactly like it's so conflicting. I don't know if that is an appropriate or an inappropriate analogy. [TS]
◼ ► I can't decide I can't figure out where I stand on this and I find a very frustrating thing I don't understand sorry. [TS]
◼ ► This company has been making ad blocking software before this company like it was before that was it just like a little [TS]
◼ ► and now they have a couple of employees so it used to be like a little and underground thing [TS]
◼ ► and now it's become like a yeah I guess so I have to be honest I don't I don't know fully the background [TS]
◼ ► and I said this there are so many of these places as well so I'm not exactly sure the situation is [TS]
◼ ► but so one of the things that the that the block says in their video is help make the internet a better place [TS]
◼ ► but there's all these boulders that nature left in the way right to help us clear these boulders you know [TS]
◼ ► and they're saying help us tear down this toll booth to make the world a better place as well. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I feel so uncomfortable even even talking about the existence of ad blocking software. [TS]
◼ ► I don't I don't want to be a hypocrite about this but it's it's it's just so it's a tricky contentious issue. [TS]
◼ ► I just feel like I want the company that allows me to do this thing to exist that is a situation that I would like in [TS]
◼ ► the world would you. Kind of crazy but you know. Yeah it's just a very complicated situation. [TS]
◼ ► but that's mainly because I probably just couldn't get it to work I can't even get my e-mail to work in the city of Sao [TS]
◼ ► and it's an interesting picture is if you go on Flickr you can find photos of Sao Paulo where there are no [TS]
◼ ► And that's a case where I also think boy if I was the mayor of the city of London I would totally do that without [TS]
◼ ► I think that that is that's a situation where clearly not having advertising is sort of it's a nicer experience [TS]
◼ ► or like your time of the Japanese going to the music festival before it's a nicer experience to go through a place that [TS]
◼ ► does not have advertising and. Unlike much of the Internet. The city will still exist without billboards. [TS]
◼ ► If someone took down all the billboards in London tomorrow those buildings wouldn't go away right there. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah you know what with the businesses that populate them start having problems and stop start going out of business [TS]
◼ ► and it starts this slippery slope of decline I mean just let me fast forwarding through the Tay they are you being a [TS]
◼ ► you thing simplistic about it is that more important to the economy than your realizing I mean maybe I would. [TS]
◼ ► How do you mean just like a big deal with McDonald's or something and it's not not like you know. [TS]
◼ ► Not like you know I believe that you know the saying come and buy my rings because thirty percent off. [TS]
◼ ► You're talking about like Coca-Cola putting some big billboard up on that that's the kind of thing that Sao Paulo which [TS]
◼ ► I meant they didn't take down like business signs you know like in the business window or that kind of stuff. [TS]
◼ ► They were taking down a giant public billboards which I would suspect is a would be a fairly negligible impact. [TS]
◼ ► I was I was so proud of an economy it is all part of an economy. When I pay double I don't know. [TS]
◼ ► Actually I kind of think about this sometimes on the underground because there's tons of advertising on the underground [TS]
◼ ► and I have I have actually wondered a couple times what increase in Underground ticket would I be willing to pay to not [TS]
◼ ► have any of this advertising here because I've seen I've got I'm going to say the Moscow subway [TS]
◼ ► but I have seen beautiful photos of some subways where the interiors do not have any advertisement [TS]
◼ ► and I think that that is a genuinely nicer experience for people on public transport too to be able to take out the advertising. [TS]
◼ ► My understanding is that the advertising on the London Underground is a very substantial decrease in the cost of the [TS]
◼ ► actual tickets that advertising money is no joke for London so you know it might you know whatever their actual number [TS]
◼ ► is a bit like double the price like that's you know I'm not sure I would be willing to pay that [TS]
◼ ► and I know there are people who just couldn't pay that you know if you double the transportation cost that's not right [TS]
◼ ► The only other thing that might be worth just mentioning that I sort of alluded to in the beginning you know we we've [TS]
◼ ► and see if we can even get to ten episodes and there are there are many things that affect whether [TS]
◼ ► One of them is how many people isn't another one is how much of an impact this has on your work schedule [TS]
◼ ► and so this very thing that we are doing is another example of how advertising can bring into existence something that [TS]
◼ ► otherwise would not have happened and it is is only because I was you know I was thinking about doing a podcast [TS]
◼ ► and so that's like this pod cast I don't know if we would have ever started it if if if the world of podcast [TS]
◼ ► If I couldn't see a way that maybe they were going to be doing it as a joint project that's taking a both of our times [TS]
◼ ► for you know that we could be spending on other things like It also has to it has to be a financially viable product to [TS]
◼ ► whoever's whoever's getting the set standards getting whatever they're paying they get a bargain [TS]
◼ ► and do it right because you will seriously voice. You could I think you know you could sell us to this. [TS]
◼ ► Maybe maybe not but I know how do you find doing the ads because I mean you've been talking a lot of advertising [TS]
◼ ► and you know I've known you for a LONG Now I know I know you're very sensitive about advertising [TS]
◼ ► and you know what it has some potency and you know narrating as which is a new experience for you [TS]
◼ ► Yeah yeah I mean that's part of why this is also been in my mind you know it's been an interesting experience because [TS]
◼ ► They they come to this gigantic auction auction system is the way it works on You Tube And so if I feel just totally [TS]
◼ ► and have you know turned down offers so far to speak an ad at the end of the video because I feel like I don't I don't [TS]
◼ ► and maybe that's again just because you don't have to not not being able to have a consistent opinion while I feel very [TS]
◼ ► strongly about not speaking in the video is an advertisement in the park as it just seems totally natural [TS]
◼ ► and so I'm very used to this format of the host reading out an advertisement that it just it seems very natural [TS]
◼ ► and you know so far been we've been lucky to have products that I actually use and like and can feel good. [TS]
◼ ► but it is it has been less weirder than I thought it might be is what I would say it's a crazy thing I'm really I'm [TS]
◼ ► really in a spot and say you know what I'm missing a big football game to be doing this point. [TS]
◼ ► and I just I do I do you still find it crazy because I want to know how an American common trait they do these days at [TS]
◼ ► rates that still seem I still haven't gotten used to it even after all this time with some guy will be talking about [TS]
◼ ► the pitching match up and insert maybe he'll be telling you how great you know some hotdog brand is [TS]
◼ ► or how great some car is like I mean the sports announcer doesn't yell at the commentator to say how wonderful [TS]
◼ ► But your input something I've been listening to a lot as you know it just seems I think you know it seems very natural [TS]
◼ ► and you know again with conflicts over advertising I have genuinely benefitted from signing up to a bunch of the [TS]
◼ ► Yeah you know so what while we're recording this today I have I have no idea who the advertiser is going to be going to [TS]
◼ ► recording that in the future so what I'm about to say is not an advertisement is just me saying it [TS]
◼ ► but like I found out about Squarespace for listening to podcast ads on the five by five network which is home to a [TS]
◼ ► and I like that that was great like that is an example of where my life is genuinely easier [TS]
◼ ► So you can't say Oh it is always an interruption because I don't know how else I would have found out about something [TS]
◼ ► like that like I'm not I'm not deeply involved in the Web site building world you know that's like that's tangential to [TS]
◼ ► and so I'm not sure something like that would have ever come to me through just word of mouth. [TS]
◼ ► It can it can be beneficial I mean granted the number of products that are like that in my life is very small [TS]
◼ ► when compared to the total number of advertisements I have ever heard the price which is like functionally infinite. [TS]
◼ ► Yeah I think that's yes a forgotten thing about it is sometimes actually performing a service they have a utility Zelda. [TS]
◼ ► I think you know what I think is a lot more sadder as time as we've come at it from this angle of looking in [TS]
◼ ► and you know that there are other aspects to advertising to do with the issue that we haven't even talked about. [TS]
◼ ► So I suspect maybe maybe talking about this again sometime in my gma maybe it may be in the follow up I don't know I [TS]
◼ ► and you need you need to pack up oh about a pack a probably make a number yet. Email me that checklist. [TS]