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H.I. #14: How Humans Work


  All right I have to call on how unprofessional because we haven't reached as I could expect. [TS]

  Hello hello this is now I have Trevor I can't talk at the moment. What time you coming tomorrow. [TS]

  To hang up or lost his connection. Who call back now. He's gone there anyway. [TS]

  They're going to call back in two seconds now we have to wait now we have to wait. Since we last or each other. [TS]

  Yes well we search on them in person last week. Yes we did. You took me on a date. [TS]

  They take you on a date I'm not sure I took my dinner I didn't eat pork and we had KLEIN Yeah I guess it was a date. [TS]

  But like since we since the. [TS]

  Since the year since the podcast is kind of you know it's really just got going it was the first time we've spent a [TS]

  long time together in person [TS]

  and I thought it created quite an interesting dynamic because obviously we talked about lots of stuff we would normally [TS]

  talk about and it was stuff we wouldn't talk about in the podcast on the roof and whatnot but there were a few times [TS]

  and I think we both acknowledged that we would sort of start to talk about something or topic would come up [TS]

  and we'd be thinking oh this is the this is the class fun podcast Chetwood [TS]

  and should be keeping our powder dry Oh is this is you know it was a bit strange in that respect. [TS]

  Yeah I know that yes there was one topic in particular which I think you're going to bring up shortly where we did we [TS]

  did say Oh let's not talk about this now what would you eternity put a lid on [TS]

  and he said no way I'm to I want to tell him that I want to talk in the podcast about that I thought I say what it was [TS]

  I think I need the transcript I don't think I totally put a lid on it but it was it was a strange situation. [TS]

  And yes I don't think I've ever been in a situation like. [TS]

  Before where you realize maybe we shouldn't talk about this thing now. [TS]

  We'll talk about it later on the Internet as it was I don't know it was weird it was there [TS]

  and I think that's a healthy thing for our friendship. [TS]

  It's a it's a strange thing [TS]

  but maybe here's my thought maybe it's a good thing because we can we'll all end up talking about maybe more [TS]

  superficial stuff on the podcast sometimes [TS]

  and then like you said there's a whole bunch of stuff that you just you wouldn't want to talk about on the podcast so [TS]

  maybe it'll drive an hour in person conversations to a whole new level. Yeah. [TS]

  Of this relationship and has that Rush cleanup underway now you're dating. [TS]

  Let me let me let me tell you what I brought up that you want to talk about again [TS]

  and it's the issue of Comic Sans the fart. [TS]

  Now I think it's fair to say I am [TS]

  or have been fairly edgy comic sans like on one of those people who thinks it's a bit of an F. Sound. [TS]

  But my position is softening. [TS]

  I've used a few times in videos and initially I was using it to kind of be a bit of a troll [TS]

  or be a be ironical stare people out or flame or whatever the cool word is for [TS]

  when you upset people dropped into a few videos just to upset people. But like in doing that. [TS]

  My position has changed is changing a bit [TS]

  and there's been a couple of recent videos where I've actually used almost functional I like I thought I think Comic [TS]

  Sans actually might be the fun just to do this with and not after all these years and all this sort of edgy comics [TS]

  and sentiment. I feel like maybe maybe it gets a how to time it deserves. [TS]

  I don't really know what your position is on this front. [TS]

  Yes I think Comic Sans for me is an interesting specific case of a broader kind of question that I've had about fonts [TS]

  for a long time and it's I don't understand what makes some funds good and what makes some fonts terrible [TS]

  and I guess is also part of a broader question about design in general. [TS]

  I've read a few books on graphic design or you know does design work [TS]

  and I'm sure I've been trying to find out why is it that something can look good or something can look terrible [TS]

  and what I want are some rules about this [TS]

  and I've read books that are supposedly filled with rules about what is good design what is not good design. [TS]

  Whitespace you know all this kind of stuff and I never find it satisfying [TS]

  and I think it's particularly an interesting question with funds because I've learned more about the typefaces I guess [TS]

  but I've learned more about the features of particular kinds of of typefaces and I can pick out some things when. [TS]

  When when a foreigner just gone terribly wrong or in a sign [TS]

  when something has just gone terribly wrong I will bring up an example now which is kerning you know what kerning is. [TS]

  Yes OK for listeners who might not be aware kerning has to do with the letter spacing [TS]

  and because of the of the ways ways some letters are shaped you can kind of slide them under each other [TS]

  when you put them on the sign so that it looks more visually pleasing if the letters can kind of not overlap [TS]

  but they can be closer to each other. [TS]

  Yeah then they would be if you were using a typewriter for example you're looking at something on my screen right now [TS]

  and I can see. Oh oh and a W. O. [TS]

  Is rounded and if the font is arranged very nicely the W can kind of edge over the oh a little bit [TS]

  and then look for that. Once you tune into this. [TS]

  Words that aren't current properly it's very irritating because you can see it on store signs [TS]

  and things the guy the letter closer together if you make You Tube videos [TS]

  and do bad parenting that is something also that you will soon find out about in the section I think that's what [TS]

  happened to me [TS]

  and I think I've been lucky with Haven't you heard about people you know turning a lace collar all over me. [TS]

  It's something that I've done with manually in a couple of places I think in the header of some of my website where [TS]

  it's a C G P [TS]

  and it's E G P with full stops between the letters I have manually current it a couple of times so that the full stops [TS]

  the periods like slide under the P.C. [TS]

  For example because it can look weird once you're aware that it's just too far out. [TS]

  So there's something like things like kerning there's a few other things with with fonts [TS]

  but I have a very hard time [TS]

  when people who are really into fonts talk about why some of them look like this font looks great [TS]

  or that font looks great. [TS]

  Then an example of this is is Helvetica which people always hold up as this amazing standard of such as such like a [TS]

  perfect font. [TS]

  Yes and I'm really trying to figure out what makes Helvetica good [TS]

  and I don't I don't know I don't know if I did if I knew nothing about the history of Helvetica would I be able to pick [TS]

  that out of a lineup of fonts [TS]

  and say oh boy this is clearly such a great font I don't think I would be able to do that [TS]

  and I think Comic Sans kind of suffers this reverse effect of that where people hate it disproportionately because [TS]

  other people hate it. [TS]

  It yeah they become fun to pick on the Justin Bieber of things [TS]

  but it has become like almost the go to guy for if you want to ridicule a front. [TS]

  Yes And I think there it's an interesting choice because I think at big sizes there are some things with comic fans [TS]

  that just I do think look awkward it's not a font that is that translates well to a gigantic sign. [TS]

  Yeah there's a child's nursery around the corner from where I live and that was huge fun and Comic Sans [TS]

  and I have I have issues with that. [TS]

  Yes Yes And I think it's identifiable [TS]

  and then because it looks worse as larger sizes it's an effect where people can really tune into it [TS]

  or something is big and then obviously comic fans and you think oh it looks terrible [TS]

  but at relatively small sizes I think it's pretty good [TS]

  and the thing about the comic fans that I want to bring up you know [TS]

  when you mentioned it was so I went to college university now and I guess [TS]

  but just so long ago ten years ago a lot of years ago I don't want to do the counting more than a decade ago. [TS]

  Yes to make you feel old and. [TS]

  I remember turning in papers that I had set in Comic Sans Comic Sans about twelve point five [TS]

  and so relatively small on the page. Not all the text was written in that like an essay or something. [TS]

  Yeah yeah so you know I would do sociology have to write you know an essay about something or other [TS]

  and I would write it up and I would set it in Comic Sans. [TS]

  Wow And the reason I did that is because this is first of all it's not pre internet [TS]

  but I think it was pre the existence of this comic sans hate. [TS]

  Yeah and I remember just looking through the fonts [TS]

  and I was trying to find something that I thought was relatively readable that was in Times New Roman [TS]

  and I remember for myself I used to have this pattern where I would I would write on the. [TS]

  Computer they were printed out I would make corrections by hand and then transcribe it back in [TS]

  and I remember just thinking that you know at smaller sizes Comic Sans was kind of nicely legible it was easy to read. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and the thing that makes me wonder about the piling on of Comic Sans was I never had a single professor make any comments [TS]

  about this throughout the entirety of my college career. No no one ever commented that it put an effort to strike back. [TS]

  I didn't know what no one ever commented on it which is completely unremarked upon that this was a fun choice I don't [TS]

  think there is almost anybody who could do that now and it would be unremarked upon. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and I feel like that like that experience of mine is a tiny anecdotal data point for Comic Sans has become hated because [TS]

  it is hated not because of anything intrinsic about the font itself anyway so that that as you mention the Comic Sans [TS]

  things I thought I thought back to I remember having stuff in comics [TS]

  and that I would be mortified mortified to do that now but it just it didn't even cross my mind a decade plus ago. [TS]

  I think I think that the usefulness I'm finding with it is sometimes it's quite useful if you want to say something on [TS]

  screen in text that you want to be quite human [TS]

  and have quiet quiet like a human personality voice without using one of those you know rubbish forms that's supposed [TS]

  to look like it was hand written which is just a bit off [TS]

  but it's kind of got a personality to it it's a bit like this is an official voice this is an official filmmaker [TS]

  scientist voice this is just a little human voice I want to give you for a second and [TS]

  and I wonder is that because of the shape of the font and the nature of the font [TS]

  or is it because it now has such a personality and a place in culture that it's almost taken on personality and. [TS]

  It's almost like it's almost like you're getting you're getting something for free with Comic Sans all this baggage has [TS]

  actually can be quite helpful in almost it almost as a character now has this typeface. [TS]

  Does that he said Soames specifically talking about. There are definitely times that you want more informal fonts. [TS]

  Yeah in my own videos for example there are three primary font that I use [TS]

  and I have a big thick Sarah font that I use in most of my videos for for the titles [TS]

  or the words on the screen I have a relatively bold stand Sarah font that depending on the it was his hand crazy [TS]

  but some of my videos it feels like this is more of a sense of kind of topic. [TS]

  Don't know why that is but some [TS]

  but some of the videos they clearly feel like no no no this is not for Sarah FS I need to censor. [TS]

  He's getting too close I'm switching to censor [TS]

  but I have a I have a third font that I spent a lot of time trying to pick which I almost always use for the little [TS]

  stick figures talking or thinking and that you know that's not going to be times new roman someone's internal thoughts. [TS]

  It's it is it is a hand written looking funny because it conveys something completely different because that kind of [TS]

  does look a bit Comic Sans. [TS]

  Yeah I was trying I was trying to pick something I don't remember the name off of it [TS]

  but there's a website I think it's I think it's called comic book fonts something like that is that the name is in the [TS]

  middle of the comic book fonts dot com They had their website they have just a ton a ton of from my perspective very [TS]

  good looking. [TS]

  Kweisi hand-written fonts [TS]

  and they're also just a lot of really great themed fonts it was a while ago there from looking for a font for a [TS]

  particular kind of thing. But yes and I spent a lot of time trying to find that pretty. [TS]

  Gular little font to use because you definitely want different different feelings for different things. [TS]

  The other thing I just want to mention is where oh where is it called. [TS]

  Yes OK So I saw this recently I think on Reddit maybe was an accident I don't remember [TS]

  but someone has developed a font that they call comic new and it is a riff. [TS]

  It's sort of a refined version of Comic Sans. And I think it actually looks really good. [TS]

  The Web site goes through [TS]

  and shows how they changed a little bit of the way the letter strokes of Comic Sans look they've smoothed it a little [TS]

  bit but still kept it looking handwritten E. and I have to say I think Man this looks this looks great. [TS]

  It looks it looks very much like Comic Sans. [TS]

  But just a lot nicer as though the theoretical person who wrote comic sans was just concentrating really hard [TS]

  when they wrote each of these different letters so I could totally see under certain circumstances using comic knew if [TS]

  itself if it felt right and felt like that was the kind of thing to do for myself in the D.L.C. [TS]

  With them if you would you think of this you can get my initial reaction as I said for the first time. [TS]

  Yeah I have proof you approve of comics. Yeah it's nice if you scroll down. [TS]

  They show the letters being simplified a little bit [TS]

  but also the whole website is written in comic knew all the paragraph text [TS]

  and I think it looks like a really good handwritten font part that you have. [TS]

  Mark my first my first impression is a positive one will say what the others think. [TS]

  Yes we all we all here I'm sure very soon what the internet thinks about this. [TS]

  I'm must wondering how much more time we can possibly spend talking about fonts. I think no more time. [TS]

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  and thanks to Adam for his recommendation back to the shop in the last episode we talked about originality. Oh yes yes. [TS]

  Don't you want to follow the little follow up item that I want to bring up on the Do You Remember we mentioned as an [TS]

  example of how people are an original if you comment if you make a comment on Twitter. [TS]

  People often respond back to you with the same joke you very quickly. Yeah so this. [TS]

  I've been to me in reverse destine he smarter every day. Powell tamer the manly man by the way. [TS]

  Yes Justin said that he would have dealt with exactly the same way I did [TS]

  and if you are going to not let that one always we're going to bring it up for you. [TS]

  Anyway he was on Twitter was destine made a little comment on Twitter saying something like he just realized that he is [TS]

  a bike clubs as opposed to a Cyclops and I saw him make a little comment on Twitter and I replied [TS]

  and I said Oh does that mean the people who wear glasses are quad collapses. [TS]

  Yeah four eyes very good and I wrote that back to him [TS]

  and I honestly thought wait a minute because this was shortly after we just put up the podcast. [TS]

  Yeah and I just it entered my mind [TS]

  and I thought you know I think this is exactly the kind of joke that others are not this is not original to me this is [TS]

  just the first part the get pretty much any glass is where I was going back and I looked [TS]

  and sure enough I was not the first to save the best [TS]

  and I'm sure he's still getting tweets from people saying the quad collapse thing [TS]

  and I just I just thought it was it was funny. [TS]

  Did you quietly delete it and pretend it didn't happen or do you know what what's done is done. [TS]

  I mean this is my just embarrassing in quotation marks. [TS]

  Joke that was really just a thought came into my head and I reply to Justin I feel kind of dumb about it. [TS]

  But anyway it's not that I thought this is a show that happens to the best of us. [TS]

  So if you don't mean to but this kind of thing just happens all the time. Have you calmed down. [TS]

  Since your little hob tirade. [TS]

  Well I mean I'm not sure if I was I was angry I guess maybe it was anger you were angry [TS]

  but there was no physical motion from behind those robotic cord gloves. [TS]

  I thought I felt resigned and disappointed [TS]

  but now you said that more than just disappointed he went like I was disappointed with this film. [TS]

  Yeah he had things to say. [TS]

  Well I had many more things to say but somebody cut me off before I was even really warmed up you know [TS]

  and he was quite enjoying it if you go back and listen. [TS]

  Yeah you will hear that I I was talking about something that was all that I was talking about the opening the sort of [TS]

  second opening scene of the movie and you said something like It sounds like you could talk about this for a long time. [TS]

  But let's let's try to move the conversation. [TS]

  General disappointment in the movie because I could've done a blow by blow throughout that whole thing. [TS]

  But you may be rightly cut me off my feet I don't think it was rightly a lot of people have requested that global blows [TS]

  since. Yeah I could be a hello internet after hours at some point. [TS]

  But they were there were two things I just want to follow up that are interesting. [TS]

  They got into a discussion with a couple people on the Reddit and it was a question of the movies being two movies [TS]

  or three movies and it was it was interesting to see that it was originally announced as two movies. [TS]

  Yeah and then that's at some point in the production cycle. [TS]

  Peter Jackson has this Facebook posting where he's happy to announce that it is now going to be three movies. [TS]

  His accountants are happy to announce that. [TS]

  Well this is why I would really wonder how happy he was about that [TS]

  and how much he was involved in this in this decision. [TS]

  Because one of the things I didn't mention from last time [TS]

  but I found really interesting is that it's the same writing team who did the Lord Of The Rings and they [TS]

  and the one point I wanted to make listening to myself argue about The Hobbit movie from last time is I kept mentioning [TS]

  all these times about how it's different from the book it's different from the book. [TS]

  Which was interesting to hear me say because it comes across as though I wanted to stick to the book very accurately [TS]

  and that is never my opinion with movies that are made from books or movies are such a different thing. [TS]

  It has to be wildly changed because they're just such different media. [TS]

  Yeah and it can be death for a movie to stick closely to the book [TS]

  and one of the things that I thought was really great about a lot of the Brings was that they did make all kinds of [TS]

  changes. [TS]

  They moved stuff around in the timeline they added a few scenes they cut a whole bunch of stuff [TS]

  and I thought that that was done just just really well so I want to make it clear that my my complaint is not does not [TS]

  stem from the fact that it was different from the book The Lord Of The Rings movies are very different from the books [TS]

  but they're done really really well. It's just that the Hobbit movies. [TS]

  When it's different and it all goes poorly and it just it it irritates you more. But yeah I did. [TS]

  OK I'm sure it's drive it know when you've made it when you've made a change and made Yes by making the change. [TS]

  Yes and I was thinking about it a lot and with that with that two movies to three movies announcement [TS]

  and I thought this moment here was really the kiss of death because with the Lord Of The Rings there was way too much [TS]

  to film. [TS]

  Way too much [TS]

  and that what they had to do was cut down what could have been sixteen hours if you just filmed it as it happens in the [TS]

  book and compressed it and then the exact reverse process has to happen with The Hobbit of bending and stretching [TS]

  and I'm sure that that is why the same director the same writing team this in the same everybody can be involved in two [TS]

  very similar projects and one of them at least in my opinion came out great [TS]

  and one of them is objectively a boring trainwreck and I've gone from ruthless cottons to shameless patters. [TS]

  Yes Yes I mean when you're adding stuff I mean it is not really the same. [TS]

  But I do see that even with with my own scripts I'm really aware that cutting it almost always makes it better. [TS]

  I mean you're an editor for for your own videos I'm sure I'm sure you must see the same thing as well you have a you [TS]

  have is a creed it is desired to keep stuff in that you like or to have it longer [TS]

  but it's almost always there is there is that there is a conflict there's always that conflict that you think [TS]

  everything so interesting but in your heart of hearts you know cutting out more is probably for the best. [TS]

  Which is why you know I don't cut my stuff enough [TS]

  but if I if I do spend a long time on something it invariably gets shorter and shorter and shorter because [TS]

  when I go back with a fresh set of eyes the next day I will always cut it how long I don't even notice how long does a [TS]

  typical day. Let's just I just watch one of your videos today with Phil Moriarty. [TS]

  Yeah the one about everything in the waves and randomness. [TS]

  Yeah so that that video was I think about ten minutes long you know a little better nine minute something [TS]

  and how how long is a conversation like that [TS]

  when you record it for the first time what is it what is it started as to get down to ten minutes I would say that was [TS]

  in the order of. [TS]

  It seems pretty concise they stay on most subjects so I would say that was in the order of twenty to twenty to twenty [TS]

  five maybe. [TS]

  Everyone's different someone like Martin Poliakoff in the chemistry videos you know is almost like fifteen minutes [TS]

  becomes ten minutes. [TS]

  Phil might be twenty becomes ten but there are other people who will talk for thirty or forty minutes. [TS]

  But yeah I would say that was around I was in the order of twenty so I have to interesting do you watch Game of Thrones [TS]

  I do not watch Game of Thrones although that conversation went well then I guess I try [TS]

  and I try to read the books I haven't read the books but I'm told by my much much better half who has just been. [TS]

  All the ones that have been written so far but she loves them but they're pretty long. [TS]

  Yes the pretty long and I'm sorry. [TS]

  Aside from the Lord Of The Rings I have almost never found myself able to get into any kind of fantasy genre. [TS]

  But yeah there's something about them that my brain is just I am very bored [TS]

  and I think they all suffer from this huge vocabulary problem it is almost almost every one of them it's OK here's a [TS]

  map and here's a whole bunch of kingdoms you've never heard of the real characters and races of people [TS]

  and all of this and that is to me is almost always such a barrier to get into fantasy. The T.V. Show is cracking. [TS]

  It's really good. I hear is that you know that's good. [TS]

  I don't I don't know why I just for some reason it hasn't crossed my threshold for something to watch [TS]

  but I've got a series one here's a box so here's how hard copy. [TS]

  It's just that I want that kind of I'm going to watch it I'll watch online. [TS]

  Save your money because you would never like demo to legally or anything so I was trying to save you money [TS]

  and lend you my D.V.D.'s. Well then what can you play a D.V.D. On these days. [TS]

  Well well actually that's I'm not sure in our house we have anything that can play D.V.D. [TS]

  and That writes My my new my new macro. No Matt there's no there's no D.V.D. Player on the side of my macro. [TS]

  Maybe I'll just hand a summary and a piece of parchment [TS]

  and then come an actor for a new original SCO please don't do that no that would be terrible. [TS]

  Although I waited on H.B.O. [TS]

  Isn't that I don't know can you buy your stuff online I'm always hearing people complain of the castle why I was [TS]

  offering it to the fetus but then I have now I have to but have to buy a D.V.D. [TS]

  Player knows this is a good old into a D.V.D. Player. [TS]

  Any I only use mine to watch the data but I don't I don't have a T.V. To hook a D.V.D. [TS]

  Player up to now you can have tracked. All right stuff in my own stuff if you stuff that's going to be nine. [TS]

  I do I appreciate the sentiment. I'm just trying to get objects and I have another to try to to try to. [TS]

  What's this about Skype live translations. Oh just as a follow up to the language stuff you know. Language. [TS]

  Yes My favorite I just today an enormously long keep getting e-mails from people still about the language thing. [TS]

  You're always arguing with points that I didn't make as well as my fund the number of e-mails that I get from people [TS]

  who tell me language lessons are really important because they grew up in a country that didn't speak English [TS]

  and they learned English and they wouldn't be able to write an email to me now if they had had [TS]

  and there's never the argument making people if you know I am perfectly fine bored with English language taught in non [TS]

  English language speaking countries but as always this makes everybody even angrier when I say that [TS]

  but still I get e-mails anyway saying you know I could never have written this big long enough for you to ignore it. [TS]

  I have to say someone did write an email to me today. [TS]

  Today was I got it was the worst I was doing e-mail all day long but someone sent an email [TS]

  and it was one of these emails I could see on my screen just the look there's a little scroll bar saying that it's a [TS]

  quarter of the whole thing. Someone's writing this thing and they say I see at the top oh it's about language isn't it. [TS]

  Writes I just caught this the line about I would never have been able to write to you if I hadn't learned English [TS]

  and yes just delete. [TS]

  OK fine whatever is gone [TS]

  but I have that what with the link that I have here for us to just mention is as follow up is Skype did a demonstration [TS]

  now and I was always wait until you see the actual thing [TS]

  but the demonstration looked really impressive of them doing lies translation between two people using Skype video chat. [TS]

  One was anger. [TS]

  Speaker and one was a German speaker and so they would they would take turns talking to each other [TS]

  and I have obviously I can't evaluate the quality of the chairman translation [TS]

  but the German woman was saying came across as reasonable English to the to the listener on the sand [TS]

  and it looked really impressive and has sort of [TS]

  and it was right like it was up to the second it was a lot kind of like when you see footage from the United Nations [TS]

  and everyone's got their faces and you hear some guy droning on in the background you know a few words behind [TS]

  and you kind of you know we're way down OK so it was not it was not real time in the sense of speaking over the German [TS]

  talker. [TS]

  They still they still had the alternate phrase it was like one person said something they wait [TS]

  and the other person said it but it was it was fast enough that there wasn't three seconds of silence [TS]

  when the person stops speaking basically as soon as they stop talking. [TS]

  It said whatever they said in the appropriate language [TS]

  and I remember this from reminds me of a link I sent you that months ago that we never got around to talking about in [TS]

  the podcast I think and it was. [TS]

  Baby say I thing was in all this trouble because people were complaining about the quality of the live captioning you [TS]

  know because obviously a lot of shows on B.B.C. [TS]

  A live captioned by ICE I don't know if it's a used to be sort of stroke of the top people I don't know if it's become [TS]

  automated now or not. [TS]

  Anyway people complaining there are mistakes [TS]

  and you know the silly mistakes that happen where a word gets translated into something silly or nonsensical. [TS]

  And part of me thought well OK let's get it right. But another part of me thought what are you complaining about. [TS]

  This is incredible that you've even got you've even got this this think that this exists. [TS]

  Sure there's a few mistakes but can you even I can't believe it's even possible that we can do this [TS]

  and people are complaining about a couple of wrong words come along. [TS]

  Brady has you know very well people like to complain. So yeah. Everyone everyone has their type I guess. [TS]

  Has this is a I think you know you are in a high [TS]

  and mighty place to be looking down upon the people complaining about transcription errors in their live captioned Mr. [TS]

  Oh I can hear the clicks [TS]

  and it makes me weep in my car you know it's good to say that my misquoting thing is getting on [TS]

  and you're using it back at me now. Yes Yes that's right. [TS]

  So so Mr Mr I think no one should be taught languages even and no one should be able to speak English. [TS]

  There was another article we've got here on the notes as well. I think I spotted this one a sentinel. [TS]

  This was a baby see a news article about a report showing that language learning is a slow news brain aging so yet [TS]

  another excellent reason that we should all be learning other languages. I still disagree with this because as. [TS]

  I've seen a bunch of stuff like this talking about the things we came across before it was about language language [TS]

  learning delaying the onset of Alzheimer's for example. Yeah and there's no argument that that is the case. [TS]

  But the interesting thing is that it is nothing special about language. [TS]

  It has everything to do with learning something new [TS]

  and this is this is this is where you see the interesting articles talking about people doing Sudoku [TS]

  or crossword puzzles and you know that that's highly correlated with delayed onset of Alzheimer's [TS]

  or just forgetfulness in general but the interesting thing [TS]

  when I've dug around in that a little bit is that it has much more to do with the people who do crossword puzzles are [TS]

  generally learning new stuff in other areas of their life as well and that is that's really the key thing. [TS]

  We're kind of keeping your brain young and healthy is to continue to learn new things. [TS]

  So but that's my main complaint with articles like this is yes language learning slows brain aging. [TS]

  You could do that with anything I'm sure. [TS]

  I'm absolutely sure he could do the same thing with programming languages right teaching people how to program a [TS]

  computer. I'm sure that would show the exact same kind of result. [TS]

  So it's a question of that's not an argument in favor of learning languages in particular. [TS]

  That's an argument in favor of learning in general there are many benefits to it. [TS]

  So I'm still not convinced by this documents at all. Did your best I guess. [TS]

  Coleman speaking of words and rightness and wrongness. [TS]

  I am going to try to not bring up the ongoing turf war between you [TS]

  and I the thing is the thing is you're trying to act all noble here but your time not bring it up. [TS]

  The view jacking versus freebooting thing. [TS]

  However I notice you can converse yet however I am not bringing this up on the internet I am just using the word that I [TS]

  think is better and then you always chime in with your remarks about how we know what you really think of you know [TS]

  when you need to do something if I have to I don't think I've ever tweeted you to correct you [TS]

  and say oh you should call this this view jacking instead. Well I don't use it anyway. [TS]

  You know exactly what you do as you know I you know when it lands there's a debate to be had [TS]

  and I have many things to say about the problem with the tones you jacking [TS]

  but I respect I respect that you have I respect that you're taking and to building me up [TS]

  and helping me with Freeview thing. Anyway it's all good fun and I love the conversation. But anyway I think it's time. [TS]

  Just to put that behind us and just let nature but of course what you type [TS]

  and I think you tweeting more stuff now I am not [TS]

  and you are up to something I could hear your figures up to a disease that I am I am treating at the moment. [TS]

  Actually I just the whole course but my keyboard I will I swear if I were you you would do [TS]

  and I was completely listening to your conversation about freebooting it was very interesting thank you [TS]

  and I just realized I was trying to find a link earlier and I was unfortunately able to find it [TS]

  and I'm going to see if Twitter can find it for me for a discussion later on [TS]

  but I swear to New York if you want to keep talking about feebly thing is really no no I didn't talk about it in the [TS]

  first place. What I want to write I think you did you were the one who brought it up. [TS]

  Why do you want to talk about I think you just [TS]

  or what I did want to talk about was net neutrality because this is the term that there is no replacement for as yet [TS]

  and I've been racking my brains [TS]

  and I it's amazing actually as a little side it's only occurred to me last night while I was thinking about this [TS]

  particular issue how little time I now spend just having ideas that you don't really like my thing [TS]

  and I'm just so busy now and I can go back to having ideas was your thing. Elaborate on that. [TS]

  Well I like that used to be the thing I've thought I was quite good at [TS]

  and people would tell me I was good at what's coming up with all these new ideas and creative things and [TS]

  and I feel like I don't do as much anymore because I just have to produce so much stuff to feed my earlier creations [TS]

  that I don't sit and just have new thoughts [TS]

  and that I need to do it more it was just something I thought if I spent a lot doesn't you know you're really creative [TS]

  and have ideas and then. [TS]

  Working all wouldn't be a good idea to do a video that every element on the periodic table and do it like this [TS]

  and make it look like this. So then you have to go and make the thing that takes time. [TS]

  Anyway I gave myself a bit of free time and I thought about placements for the term net neutrality. [TS]

  OK And having just built myself up for having ideas [TS]

  and being creative this is just saying Yeah I can't wait to hear this I would be so I failed it obviously is not my [TS]

  thing anymore because I didn't do very well but I do have some thoughts [TS]

  and I wanted to kind of throw them out there to you and to others [TS]

  and do a bit of a you know a Gugu sit on the bin bag brainstorm everyone talk [TS]

  when you're holding the beach boat thing [TS]

  and see if you see if you like any of them will just say some of the things I was thinking about [TS]

  but let's look at what I want to hear these great ideas [TS]

  and could you possibly say unless it is possible that you could say that you know that this is all in your mind if it [TS]

  was possible you'd be editing as I said I could. [TS]

  So we'll wait for the live editing for a plane crash going that the flight I will even I'm not even giving you the [TS]

  pleasure of editing I go in there anymore but you know you have got to be kidding me. [TS]

  You have been doing nothing but complaining to me about the lack of plane crash corner [TS]

  and I'm all ready for plane crash going to this time [TS]

  and now you're not going to do it again I think you just kind of like I do every time now. [TS]

  Well I well first of all I only cut it out once and yet I think that was because it was incredibly boring. [TS]

  It was just it was just in the humanly boring but it was only bored because you didn't go with it. [TS]

  No it was required only with practice a patient and I would like you to respond [TS]

  and you were just like you were showing me boring things. Boring anyway. [TS]

  I cut that out because it was it was just no one could have sat through that [TS]

  and then the second episode we didn't have a plane crash corner. [TS]

  You yourself said all that's not to plane crash corner and I said fine [TS]

  and I didn't I didn't I said we'll talk about it and I mention how it's your mom's favorite section on the show [TS]

  and you got that now. [TS]

  I did cut it out because if we're going to do it what are we going to get we're going to have a a five minute [TS]

  conversation about how we're not going to do something. [TS]

  Now this is we were talking about editing Earlier today I made the editorial decision we don't need to talk about the [TS]

  thing that we're not going to do all right out it goes. [TS]

  So Ruth hello internet with that one out of forty one [TS]

  but I'm all right I'm already feeling crushed going to I'm going to be waiting. [TS]

  I'm going to be waiting and I'm going to leave whether [TS]

  or not you do it I'm going to leave this in so that that the Internet can understand what's going on [TS]

  but in the meantime let's before we get to Blake I think it will be very exciting. [TS]

  Why don't you tell me your exciting that Italian names and. [TS]

  We have friends everywhere and I think some people get upset when they hear a slight Jake here [TS]

  and I think we're having if I say we should just tell them that you know we have friends that we are [TS]

  and if we do have a fight I will just buy you dinner. [TS]

  Yeah well no you didn't and not your your top gent for doing that [TS]

  and then we went back to the hotel I was staying at and I said [TS]

  and I said you know let's have another drink at the bar because we haven't a good chat [TS]

  and how extortionate were the prices of that by those two drinks cost nearly the price of dinner. [TS]

  I don't remember because you paid for that hotel it was a rip off and they wanted to charge fifteen quid for a wife [TS]

  when I had three J C It's still not letting that go on I think you're just delaying because you don't want to tell [TS]

  everybody your net neutrality name I'm sure I know I can not possibly survive the build up to [TS]

  and I'm trying to diffuse the build up a little bit I know you are but it is not. [TS]

  So what I'd done well diffusing And there you are building it up again. [TS]

  Can you just sort of let it quietly just seep its way back into the conversation. [TS]

  So anyway I also have a think about net neutrality in a few different words for I know you want me to use that as an [TS]

  edit point no no I don't want it that way but I'm not going to do it that way that was not intentional. [TS]

  So I was thinking about things like jumping and leap frogging [TS]

  and things like that because that's part of what it was and I've written down all these and I was thinking of. [TS]

  There's been lots of data discrimination which is one that a lot of people are already raised is quite good [TS]

  and I was thinking of words that involve like segregation [TS]

  or data damning because they kind of a lot of it kind of came to rivers and water and stuff like that. [TS]

  And I've written all these things I'm going to go through them all now because I can't now. [TS]

  I did I did think that pay lanes. [TS]

  And cash lanes and also cash for comment was always a really popular controversy in the U.K. [TS]

  when A marriage that politics once you had of cash for comment I have not heard a cow getting mixed up actually I was [TS]

  in Australia that cash for comment caused to be controversy this was [TS]

  when radio presenters were taking sly payments to talk about products not like not like in an ad that we do in a kind [TS]

  of a sly sly buy [TS]

  and it caused this controversy this cash for comment so I was thinking like you know you could have some dollars for a [TS]

  data type thing and I had all these rubbish ideas [TS]

  but there are a few that I did like the first one I didn't mind I like the sound of although it has got its problems [TS]

  was streaming now terrible terribly of on the down telly was terrible and it landed what what is being split. [TS]

  I don't understand the stream of data split streaming does that just sound that is twice as much data coming into my [TS]

  house if it's. Streamed Interesting OK slow flow no no that's also awful. [TS]

  What about and forty this one's kind of already has another yeast I quite liked it. [TS]

  Narrowband Inc And it's the best in the past [TS]

  but it's still tot Isn't it is it is very hard I think what we saw on the red it was most people I think that the high [TS]

  supported alternative was that they just didn't discriminate one nation and there's over quality and then another [TS]

  and another thing I quite liked I was thinking something I don't know much about medical terms [TS]

  but I was so I was thinking about sporting terms and I thought about sandbagging because that's what's happening here. [TS]

  It's sandbagging. I don't know it's I'm betting is is that good. Does that give it does that give us hope. [TS]

  I mean sound sandbagging sounds bad. Yeah well let me start sandbagging I mean set. [TS]

  No what the oceans from is it from car racing with I would put bags of sand in the car to hide its true performance [TS]

  and then on race day you take out the bags of sand and you cause larger [TS]

  and all the other cars much faster than I realized. [TS]

  That happens a lot in other games and sports [TS]

  and things like that where players pretend to not be as good as they are for the reasons of their ratings like in chess [TS]

  for example you would lose chess games at times that don't matter to get a lower rating [TS]

  and then you kind of blitz everyone later on taking advantage of your low ranking [TS]

  and that's kind of what they're doing with data here they're sandbagging they're weighing down slowing down certain [TS]

  data and it has a kind of negative connotation to it [TS]

  and it's also quite a fun term so sandbagging the best of the bunch. I've still got so much data. [TS]

  Yes Yes Brady idea machine man has more ideas to come up with I think for that one thing split streaming in there of [TS]

  ending a cool words the problem with split streaming from. May is it. [TS]

  It actually sounds to quote sounds like a good thing [TS]

  but oh yeah yeah I know that the My initial reaction to it is well it sounds good and I don't know quite why [TS]

  but that doesn't sound like it's good. Yeah dreams are fast and it sounds like it's good. [TS]

  Narrow banding I think it's going to be axed after that after that huge build up on your part after that one quality [TS]

  such as I tried to dial it down a bit but I wasn't trying to say like I was his idees machine [TS]

  when I was trying to talk about was [TS]

  when we become busy people we have less idea less this time for ideas was kind of my my point that kind of I failed to [TS]

  make miserably before I then failed to do you think if you had more time you would have come up with better ideas. [TS]

  I don't think this is a time issue. [TS]

  If we gave you an eight hour workday [TS]

  and we paid you what we know what you would have your your last earnings for that time [TS]

  and we give you straight eight straight hours to come up with a better name. [TS]

  I'm not convinced that you could I mean I don't know it and I reckon I would really. [TS]

  Yeah because I've got your very confident men are going for a swim. [TS]

  I'm not saying I've come up with like a good enough idea and I'm certain it will come up with answers. [TS]

  Just saying if I paid you for eight hours of work you certainly would think of that real art [TS]

  and I'm saying I would come up with a better ones than that. [TS]

  I would come up with your place because you will only be places [TS]

  when that you come up with that is not true at all that is that is an unjust [TS]

  and unjust remark it isn't just because you didn't come up with you jacking say and I did not [TS]

  and you are pushing that power because for the work. [TS]

  Yep [TS]

  and the final thing I would be remiss if I did not mention this thing that one hundred people at least must have e-mailed [TS]

  and tweeted me which is the John Oliver's video on net neutrality. Yes yes of course a lot of people said that to us. [TS]

  Yes and it was excellent. [TS]

  Yes it was very good [TS]

  and his alternate term was cable company for three of his his suggestion for net neutrality because he to come. [TS]

  But in his video the difficulty [TS]

  and the boringness of the term net neutrality so I would put it in the show notes although I have a hard time imagining [TS]

  that anybody listening to the show has not already seen that clip which was done it was done very well most of it was a [TS]

  really good it was really good. Yeah so I think that was you know another one so the net neutrality Brady flow. [TS]

  Because do you know that Brady in some context means slow really celebrating his fate [TS]

  and I was thinking well I can't have all the glory it can't be called Brady fly. [TS]

  Also because I don't want my name attached to something. Rubbish. What about great data. [TS]

  Because then we could have black black data which is stuff that isn't allowed to come through anyway. [TS]

  White data white listed data which is the stuff that so premium and paid for and gets the golden ticket [TS]

  and then you've got great data which is stuff that gets laid down and has this dreary life getting through the pipes [TS]

  and might come to the house and I was trying to you know I think that's also a terrible suggestion. [TS]

  It's hard to believe in what you just said there are white listing blacklisting and great listing are already words [TS]

  and they don't have anything to do with speed [TS]

  and the same thing with a white hat black hat grey hat hackers think there's the China trying to connect the color with [TS]

  the with the slowness I think is not so good. [TS]

  Whereas the color gray obviously has lots of connotations with being in the middle which I think works for me because [TS]

  in most of my opinions are quite reasonable and quite in the middle. [TS]

  Unlike yourself who's taking nothing but extreme positions on everything all the time do you think. Oh yeah. [TS]

  Nothing but clean with incredibly extreme positions on over an extreme person [TS]

  and I do sometimes frustratingly non-extreme that's what I want you to be more extreme and your thoughts [TS]

  but Joe is you know is Mr Reasonable Oh I can see both sides of the issue. That's that's you. Do you agree. [TS]

  Yeah I guess yeah I do see I I think there is more to every story than people realize. [TS]

  I think the world and life is extremely complex and we make a lot of judgments and decisions [TS]

  and our views are not very well informed. [TS]

  So I'm reluctant to have a really really solid position on lots of things because I just know I don't know all the [TS]

  information. [TS]

  But it's funny you say that because I would agree with everything you said [TS]

  but sometimes I will still end up with a stick. [TS]

  Well I think we do have to take positions and stance you can't just keep flopping in the wind on everything [TS]

  but that's why I kind of sometimes I'm quite mild is because I'm like well I don't know I don't know the whole story. [TS]

  No one does. Who am I to make it who much to say. Well let's talk about shredders stratas. [TS]

  OK I see this on the notes What is it what is it if you want to talk about this thread is [TS]

  when did this come up I was just reading something. [TS]

  Yes it I think you I was in the middle of shredding the messenger instead of in the middle of shredding all these [TS]

  documents and I will never ever know to shred [TS]

  and you were like you can believe that you were quite surprised I thought yes I was I was surprised I was disbelieving [TS]

  that you never own a shredder. [TS]

  This is it I mean your dad is a tax attorney or something isn't a say yeah he is my father is both a lawyer [TS]

  and a tax attorney you would have to have a tax attorney asked for a lawyer and a tax attorney. [TS]

  So you grew up with shredders. [TS]

  Yes My dad has this in his office in North Carolina he has this big borderline industrial. [TS]

  Shredder for documents [TS]

  but I mean that of course as a lawyer he's dealing with pieces of paper that have this very private information on [TS]

  people so scary numbers and income estimates and all that kind of stuff. [TS]

  So he needs a real industrial shredder to deal with getting rid of that kind of stuff [TS]

  and I guess he always instilled in me the value of shredding documents without any personal information [TS]

  and is due to very the shredding documents. [TS]

  Yes I think well I think in my own spin on this which is that I think what you were making fun of me over instant [TS]

  messenger was that I was telling you that I just read every piece of paper every piece of paper that I'm getting rid of [TS]

  it just goes in the shredder and that is not out of paranoia. [TS]

  What that is is reducing cognitive load so that I never make a decision about oh is this a charade where the piece of [TS]

  paper or not all paper is shredded worthy. [TS]

  That's just the way it works that's just the rule [TS]

  and that's the sort of that's I like doing that like you know I have pre-decided [TS]

  and gotten rid of a thousand decisions over the course of my lifetime with just making this the rule. [TS]

  All paper is shredded. [TS]

  Doesn't even matter if it's just the on the low but something came [TS]

  and it all goes in the shredder I swear someone should do some psychological study of you. [TS]

  You would be you'd be an absolute gold mine does that not sound reasonable to you know I think that's all you know even [TS]

  though this sounds so ridiculously reasonable. It sounds so no reason than human. That's great. [TS]

  I don't understand what you even mean by ridiculously reasonable rational. [TS]

  I've rationalized what do you hear your word if it can't be it can't be true rational how if something was too rational. [TS]

  You're just you're describing something that must be irrational which is that it can't be rational then I just think I [TS]

  am being rational I think you are irrationally rational and I know that doesn't make any Lyme to shred everything. [TS]

  Or that you don't have to make a decision about whether to shred things or not I don't know why that's so funny. [TS]

  Like I mean it makes sense like I said it makes sense but I just kind of a bit have you gotten this right [TS]

  or are you going to join me on this. Well I haven't got a shredder and a pub and didn't you say you had some big time. [TS]

  If you had to shred that you're just. [TS]

  Yeah I guess there's some I had the corner of your mouth Liam reserved for pieces of paper that you're never going to [TS]

  shred that you're just keeping is that I actually don't know whether it's that typical [TS]

  when I think of no better even better [TS]

  when those sensitive pieces of paper go I know not where they are I don't think I've ever heard you as upset at me as [TS]

  when you found out that I have a little notebook full of passwords. Gods now don't even go anywhere. [TS]

  No no no no I don't I'm not I'm not even sure we can have a conversation about this now I feel like I need to prepare [TS]

  for this. I mean I think people you know as one of on an electronic device or something there. Yeah. Where when. [TS]

  Which is completely imperious is not allowed in at least someone has to break into my house [TS]

  and physically take it to get my passwords and the sort of people who break into houses and smash windows. [TS]

  The sort of people who are more likely to do a poo on your bed hack into your computer. [TS]

  Where is the sort of people who are going to get your passwords out of your phone in some clever way. [TS]

  The exact sort of people who want to steal passwords because they want to sort of the Crimea I think having your [TS]

  passwords written on a piece of paper in your house is safer than having them on your phone. [TS]

  Oh well think I'll actually if I can calm down for a moment I will actually agree that having I mean you hide this I [TS]

  hope somewhere in your house or it's not just. [TS]

  You don't have a book that is written on the front cover passwords to all my important things. [TS]

  And you leave it next to the computer somewhere else. Oh no that information you just said is the case now. [TS]

  So I will I will agree that writing passwords down is not necessarily the worst thing that you can possibly do [TS]

  but it's also just an issue of that's just that's just as really clunky. [TS]

  It's just a very because I know you're a person who has at the very least a large number of Google accounts to deal [TS]

  with so many passwords it's ridiculous. Yeah so. [TS]

  So we need to do what we need to do to get one password on as a sponsor for the show [TS]

  and then we can do we can do double duty where I can yell at you for awhile about what you should do [TS]

  and then we can have one password sponsor sponsor the show will do that at some point we can but. [TS]

  Anyway we need we need to get back to the thing we started with Fred [TS]

  and you want to bring up the shredders So why aren't you buying one. [TS]

  Why aren't you doing this can I buy you a shredder was you would you accept a shredder into your house you're trying to [TS]

  give me some D.V.D. Player that I don't want. [TS]

  Meanwhile you desperately need a shredder can I help you with that with that I think I would call it like I think I [TS]

  would quite like the noise and the [TS]

  and how they would look at all of the shut up it's not going to take up the lakes is it. [TS]

  I will I will get you a shredder [TS]

  and you have to get one that does cross cutting that's the that's the that's the way to go. [TS]

  Cross was that let's you know was just the just the lengthwise part so I'm not those links. [TS]

  So that's like in the movies. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but the point is not to make it like it's in the movies The point is to shred the document you can even get better ones [TS]

  that basically powder eyes the piece of paper that just grind it up into dust. [TS]

  That's you know that's really the thing about the long stripes is you have got like and you've got an out. Like if you. [TS]

  Should something you weren't supposed to shred you could do what I do in the movies [TS]

  and next if you take that back together and which I've always thought I could be [TS]

  when you know that that's the scenario you want to optimize for how could I do this if I shredded the wrong guy so it's [TS]

  good to have an end. Yes I guess your whole life is just so different from mine. [TS]

  Today look not so I don't want I want to be a nice subject I imagine you found a nice looking one. [TS]

  Well this is I I have to get a new one from my new office. [TS]

  I have I have a little I have a little tiny one at the moment you could have any if you want a picture of my strength [TS]

  and I want to hear it. This is like a pod cast. Oh you want to. [TS]

  You should trade something well I don't have very much paper [TS]

  and a lot of the feeling of my not surprised if you can just fax documents I'm dealing with today I wish I could strip [TS]

  tease went all my tax woes are over oh we should talk about how much I hate taxes. [TS]

  OK And then I'll be able to give them mortgage companies. Yes And then that will be the best episode ever. [TS]

  How we can advertise that one here. So you do. That's now the first world. [TS]

  Middle aged dude's problem here [TS]

  but not even the interesting one yet not even interesting ones we are not sure how close they can bring the show to the [TS]

  microphone but I found a piece of paper to shred of unique one let me know how this goes. [TS]

  I have a feeling that I did that work for you Could you hear that is nice man. [TS]

  I haven't even Cena and you so good I'm glad we're going to get this sorted. You'll be living a more secure life. [TS]

  The Shredder and it's just fun it is fun to just. [TS]

  Shred a whole pile of papers I was going to talk to you about my technology was have we got time. [TS]

  Well first of all we have to fit in plane crash corner. I'm not I'm plane crash going on television. [TS]

  OK boycotting at this wake your boy. OK don't don't put this on me internets. [TS]

  I'm sorry Mrs Gray I'm sorry Mrs Gray I know you like that's that's great mom not not going to which which makes me so [TS]

  happy that she is OK [TS]

  but now you've got you're going to make my mother sad because you know the plane could go that final two decision that [TS]

  thank you to everyone who keeps sending me links to every single plane isn't going to happen. [TS]

  I actually am grateful for them to you like every little thing I know I want to say to that crashes in to some mountain [TS]

  container I find that within minutes. [TS]

  So oh boy I was really really really and so I think it's going to start or what you want to [TS]

  but you're sick you are on an attorney well I will give your Brady's paper. OK All right. Bankers and you get yours. [TS]

  Thank goodness. [TS]

  OK I do like paper cut Brady's paper for this episode that you may [TS]

  or may not hear depending on how brutal Gray is with that size he uses to broadcast hardly hardly is going to be a use [TS]

  of the word humble or humbling when people are not being humble or humbled in any way. [TS]

  We look like we're down Yankovic I'm a hundred million times more humble than thou art kind of thing. [TS]

  It's kind of like that I don't think there's anything wrong with blowing your own trumpet from time to time. [TS]

  You know goodness knows we'll do in a stupid things and make enough mistakes and have enough failures that [TS]

  when something goes right it was OK to tell people you have to feel. [TS]

  So but I think this does turn out of being humbled and I've noticed a lot in sport a lot of sports [TS]

  and using it as which is what put in my head Oh you mean the act of someone being humble Yeah OK Now either either the [TS]

  language has been mangled or I have just misunderstood it for all these years and you're about to set me straight [TS]

  but I don't see how someone has someone saying I walked into the stadium [TS]

  and a hundred thousand people were screaming crazy hair and you are amazing. [TS]

  You are brilliant and then I went on to the field and I scored nine go and all the cheerleaders loved me [TS]

  and thought I was brilliant and every man wanted to pay me and they gave me trophies and medals [TS]

  and I was named the best player on the ground and I have to tell you Gray I was humbled by the whole experience. [TS]

  People used the word that way that Lindsay. [TS]

  Yes how is how people look when something when really good things are happening [TS]

  and people are telling you you're awesome you know. You know well I don't know maybe they're wrong maybe they're right. [TS]

  But to say you're humbled but the opposite of humble that's what I think [TS]

  but I hear all the time people saying you know. [TS]

  This this amazing thing happened to me and everyone told me I was brilliant. [TS]

  A cocktail humbling or people get up and win the Nobel Prize [TS]

  and get a standing ovation the first thing they say is I am truly humbled today by this you know to be given this award. [TS]

  How was humbling. [TS]

  That's you know you know being humble a humble like you could I'm not saying you're not a humble person [TS]

  and maybe all those people screaming your name in that adulation isn't something you want [TS]

  but I just don't understand this context of saying I was humbled [TS]

  and it's like that here we have humbled in the verb form to lower in dignity or importance yes or with regard to sport. [TS]

  To decisively defeat. Yeah yeah. [TS]

  Now what those things are to different context if you know your team wins ten nail you say like we humble them [TS]

  and get us get used that's the proper use of it. Yes but either of those. [TS]

  Nothing like everybody telling me how awesome I am is really humble I could I see examples of all the time where people [TS]

  want to make a small or large you know they want to they want to talk about something positive [TS]

  and they dress this way but I think it gets misused [TS]

  and I oh well I'm glad you agree because I thought you were going to tell me on a Brady you misunderstanding the word [TS]

  humbled in this context so I don't I don't I mean I haven't come across the most famous use of it recently where it was [TS]

  used properly was actually Rupert Murdoch [TS]

  when he went before that parliamentary inquiry into all the phone hacking scandal to happen in the U.K. [TS]

  and The PM Pais called him up before parliament and he had to answer all these questions [TS]

  and he started off with his famous statement saying I've never been you know this is my humbling day of my life where [TS]

  I've never been more humbled or something like that. [TS]

  Fair enough you know he was there with his caught with his pants down and he was about to get a shellacking on T.V. [TS]

  He was being humbled. But that's the word means. Yeah but other people love the most. [TS]

  Another recent example the one that made me think of it was Ryan Giggs the Manchester United footballer who just who [TS]

  just retired after his glittering career and deserves lots of accolades and then he got all these variations [TS]

  and he said he was humbled by it. [TS]

  How how how could he possibly have a stadium full of people applauding you and telling you you're great [TS]

  and feel humbled. I just don't get it. [TS]

  I'm trying to I'm trying to imagine the Pons was trying to imagine standing in a stadium having hundreds of people [TS]

  or thousands of people tell you how awesome you are the cheering you. [TS]

  I can see that that's an emotional experience I'm trying to imagine what it what is the word. [TS]

  To correctly describe that because I can I can imagine that you might feel weirdly small in a moment like that [TS]

  and you enter the stadium with all these people around you. But that's still it's still different from Humboldt. [TS]

  I don't I'm I'm trying to think of a better way. [TS]

  On a bus crime open to being told I'm wrong about this because I don't think you will get is so often misused. [TS]

  I'm beginning to think I'm wrong. Well this is this is the problem. [TS]

  This is the problem with language as we've discussed is just words slide away from whatever their meanings are [TS]

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  I don't need to just say I just happened to see a link for a link to this Amazon Video Did you see this green [TS]

  announcing some products. OK Let me see if I can find this for you really quick. I'm watching it now. [TS]

  OK you get the idea of sort of a too easy video of people going wow this is amazing [TS]

  but they're not showing us what the actual product is OK for you know for the for the listener. [TS]

  That's exactly and it's just it's all the shots of people saying boy this thing is this is great. [TS]

  It is framed that they're all looking straight down. [TS]

  Yeah the thing that is off camera they're holding something in the hands of looks like like well like we have a little [TS]

  something you know they're holding something in their hands. [TS]

  But others on Twitter [TS]

  and somebody described it where once once you hear this you think oh yeah the three she'll look like at the video of [TS]

  people consecutively discovering that they have genitals which is exactly is because these people look down we all go [TS]

  Oh wow. Or this is fine. Someone's going to make a mash up of that that's going to. We wholly inappropriate but. [TS]

  But anyway so. [TS]

  So this video just keeps going on like it is about a minute a half long of nothing [TS]

  but people describing this thing off camera and how amazing it [TS]

  and let the headline on the video is find out what these Amazon customers are talking about. [TS]

  So very deliberately mysterious mysterious and I look at something like that [TS]

  and I always think that is just the worst possible business strategy you could ever have. [TS]

  I think Apple is one hundred percent right to just keep their mouth shut about stuff until it's available. [TS]

  Because what happens [TS]

  when people see a video like that is they in their minds imagine whatever this this thing is to be exactly what they [TS]

  want it to be. [TS]

  And so when that whatever it is I mean Amazon could announce that they've cured cancer [TS]

  and people would be really disappointed if they want to. [TS]

  That's exactly I think I thought I thought I was going to be you know a personal robot you know all I got was a cure [TS]

  for cancer you know thumbs down and I don't understand I mean marketing people must must know this right. [TS]

  That people are going to start assuming that it's exactly the thing that they want [TS]

  and so you're just you're just guaranteeing disappointment this oh so important marketing to build up hype an [TS]

  expectation like they don't they don't make Hollywood movies in secret [TS]

  and then say By the way come to the cinema tomorrow because Batman's ready I don't know. [TS]

  I think something like that's a little bit different because you're trying to get everybody in a place on a particular [TS]

  day I don't like products products that are for sale or are not quite that same kind of thing. [TS]

  And also it's something you don't market it as we have a really great movie. We're not going to tell you what it is. [TS]

  Just show up on that day. Yeah right. Because. How would people be no matter what the movie if it's a Hobbit movie. [TS]

  Yeah great job. It's just what I wanted. No wonder they don't tell me what it was. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but they could do that they could have a secret announcement is oh there's a movie we're not going to anybody show up [TS]

  you know show up on this day and it could be another Firefly movie and some people would be hugely excited [TS]

  but most people would be really angry. [TS]

  So it's a little bit different but I so I approve of Apple Apple's decision with us [TS]

  and it's funny because they see even on a really small scale I don't often talk about the videos that I haven't done [TS]

  because I see the same phenomenon while I will mention oh I didn't do this thing for example that I mentioned in one of [TS]

  my videos that I didn't do a video on Settlers of Catan [TS]

  and I still get comments from people all the time saying oh you really need to make that videos on some video on [TS]

  Settlers of Catan. But it's the same phenomenon that those people are imagining in their mind. [TS]

  A theoretical great video and that's that's not what I would necessarily have made. [TS]

  Oh I would love to hear you talk about The Hobbit for hours would you really are you just imagining a really great [TS]

  version of that so I think this is this is this Amazon Video I think to me is a perfect example of don't pre-announce [TS]

  stuff. [TS]

  Companies just keep it to yourself and then and then have some announcement saying here's the thing that we have [TS]

  and you can buy it today I think that Apple method is is just much much better so I approve of their secrecy I think [TS]

  it's a it's a good it's a good thing to do don't don't build up stuff just just have it available [TS]

  and also make good stuff and people will be quite happy with that. [TS]

  So before you leave us to come and I was developer All right you are still making videos. [TS]

  Yes I'm still me and it is again one of those rare moments you have put a video out. Yes yes the counter has reset. [TS]

  Well only reset briefly because you released. [TS]

  Something Yeah ten minutes after I put up of it did you actually get strange and zero into that [TS]

  and I know I didn't have a thing you were holding you have some video that you are holding back now all the time I [TS]

  assume to release immediately afterward that doesn't work because it works on the upload time it was pure coincidence [TS]

  that [TS]

  and I'm sure you're just going to have the video that you're going to wait to upload until after I try to put something [TS]

  I mean not that I'm out you release videos practically hourly anyway so I have to be quick if I want to get a screen [TS]

  shot of the Brady vs gray counter at zero for Brady one for me. [TS]

  Doesn't really matter but if you want to just be a is about for those who have been saying [TS]

  and if you listen to how I went in and you're a fan of say T.P.K. [TS]

  I'm a bit disappointed you haven't watched the video yet but but just for those who don't know is about family trees [TS]

  and how they work and yes I have a cow cousins work and grandparents and all those sort of things. [TS]

  Yes because this is really the heart of that video but it's about the titles in family structure is what it's about. [TS]

  Why did you make this video. [TS]

  This one has been on my list for either two [TS]

  or three years now because I myself went to a family reunion for my wife's family [TS]

  and didn't know any of these terms cousins and the cousins is really the complicated one. [TS]

  But even the things like grand niece exactly who is this person who's a grand niece. [TS]

  So I was at a family reunion and of course I'm an inlaw to all of these people in my wife's family [TS]

  and I ended up at the family reunion. [TS]

  Partly because all of these people were new to me of course my wife knows who they are they're her family [TS]

  but this is the first something I had been to since we got married and. [TS]

  I ended up going around like a total nerd with my i Pad and talking to people [TS]

  and figuring out where they go on the family tree [TS]

  and making a little family tree to try to connect everybody because I got I got a pretty accurate impression of her you [TS]

  were pretty quickly then do you think that's fair. One thing in there with the i Pad feeling in a family trait. [TS]

  I guess that is a dumb idea anyway so I thought I did that just a minute because it is very rare for me to be in a [TS]

  social situation where I'm actually going to meet such a large number of new people [TS]

  and I have since my family is very small. [TS]

  I had no mental framework in which to place all of these people [TS]

  and that's partly why I thought OK if I'm going to meet thirty new people I need a diagram for all of you so I can [TS]

  understand where you are in relationship to my wife and so therefore where you are. Relationship to me. [TS]

  So that was very handy although I. Yeah that's it. [TS]

  Anyway since that experience I have been thinking of doing the family tree video for quite a while [TS]

  and have now have yes because I had to make was I mean it's taken years what was the what was the roadblock between you [TS]

  thinking I should make a video that isn't actually making that video. [TS]

  It's not it's not like you had to you know this stuff would have been hard to find out I imagine. [TS]

  No no I mean this is this is one of the things where I haven't been actively been actively working on this for three [TS]

  years I'd be quite sad it's just been on my list of projects to work on and for various reasons. [TS]

  It eventually filtered its way up to the top of the list. [TS]

  This was relatively quick that partly because the net neutrality video ended up bumping back something else that was [TS]

  supposed to happen and I was trying to pick something that would be faster to do in this. [TS]

  This seemed like a natural topic to pick but I think I'm relatively pleased. [TS]

  It's a it's a weird one though because it's actually a live. [TS]

  Not typical of your videos or certainly of your recent videos. So a lot a lot of people have said that. [TS]

  I'm curious can you tell me what the word What about it do you think is it typical [TS]

  or why do you think it's different if you can you know I don't mean to put you on a smile I know a lot of money put on [TS]

  the spot but yeah I'll have to think a kind of to think um I say if I can give you Brady thinking time you can come. [TS]

  I'll just I'll just make it up as I go in. [TS]

  I mean it is a kind of visual it was different because it didn't have I had a lot less variety in the usual videos [TS]

  because you can't you just navigated your way around this family tree up [TS]

  and down unless you say it didn't have to fit it didn't have the feeling of like a journey that some of the other ones [TS]

  have of moving to different places and different people and different. [TS]

  So in that respect it was it was visually different than I found it. [TS]

  I've found I'm more confusing than I have found some of the videos like I think I said to you after I watched it just [TS]

  in our own personal communication I said I like Oh I had to watch a second time in a kind of this and that [TS]

  and I think that has a lot to do with me being just the way I absorb information. [TS]

  I'm not a good attention paid and I'm a bit maybe I'm just a bit slow but the fast videos I struggle with anyway. [TS]

  I kind of I learn [TS]

  and absorb a slow state maybe in this one I was kind of like whoa whoa what was that like that so that others that I [TS]

  did take a lot from our lot to and I really like and I think it was a really good video to have made [TS]

  and to exist I think you're really feeling and they eat which is both good for our trysting raisins [TS]

  and hopefully is good for you because lots of people watch it over a long you know it's about time the city. [TS]

  Yes You know it's funny though. Two things that I hate. [TS]

  There was one part of the video that I struggled with which I had two different audio tracks I recorded the audio in [TS]

  two different very different ways one of which was much slower. [TS]

  One of which was the one that ended up going live just a faster version of it [TS]

  and I'm going to forget stuff that I've said before so this is my blanket I may have said it before [TS]

  and I'll try never to say it again the podcast [TS]

  but in the videos I'm trying to be very intentional about having the speed be inversely proportional to how much I'm [TS]

  expecting people to remember something. [TS]

  OK so I go slower when I want people to remember things or I think something is complicated and I go faster [TS]

  when it's it's you just need to get the gist of this but the details don't matter. [TS]

  Like lists of countries I always get asked of course because I don't expect someone to remember twenty seven country I [TS]

  do know that a big list exists. That's exactly right that that's the time where it's perfectly fine to go really fast. [TS]

  Yeah. And so I felt like this this whole video should have been slower. [TS]

  That was one reason why I had the slower audio track. [TS]

  But like you said with the visuals being very different I was really aware [TS]

  when I was animating it yet because there was less going on. [TS]

  It could have been quite pedestrian just slowly roaming around the family tree. [TS]

  The video felt like death with the slow audio track [TS]

  and it was it was amazing how much of a difference it made I thought I can't I can't put this up. [TS]

  It's just it's just I mean it wasn't even much longer I think that the slower audio track ended up being like thirty [TS]

  or forty seconds longer in total. Yeah. [TS]

  So maybe the whole thing is ten or twenty percent longer [TS]

  but it really made such a difference that I thought even though I would like this video to be slower it it has to be [TS]

  faster because of the nature of the visuals and you will help with this. [TS]

  But actually when I was at a meeting and I thought you know what. This would make a really good Brady video. [TS]

  No I thought having someone explain this in your video format might work much better. [TS]

  Because in preparation to do this one I spoke to a few people in person trying to walk through the cousins thing to try [TS]

  to see how people where did people get confused by it. [TS]

  Yeah and I found in person this worked much better and I could see I was a little conversation back [TS]

  and forth between people this is good [TS]

  and so I was immediately thinking like the number of file videos this is this is almost a perfect operate for someone [TS]

  with a with a pen and a piece of paper to go through [TS]

  and let's talk about the relationships of all these people so we were discussing last week with originality. [TS]

  I think this is a topic that you could totally do again [TS]

  and I would be very interested to see the family file video on Cousin structure and. [TS]

  As an interview though as a as a lucky just an explainer someone let me asking questions all [TS]

  or just a good explainer doing as I think the way you do most of your videos you are filming somebody else talking [TS]

  about it. [TS]

  You're obviously asking questions in person but you often edit those questions out [TS]

  and then you were filming the person going through the things I think it could be done again in that way [TS]

  and be another interesting video to watch because I agree if it ended up being a little too fast and [TS]

  but I guess that I think that with that was just it was the natural result of the way the animations worked. [TS]

  Interesting by Paris and some man. [TS]

  I'm very I will I don't want to compare your videos to mine because I think your videos are better in a lot of waste in [TS]

  most ways but [TS]

  but the way because I recently did a video where I explain something myself which was this Monty Hall sequel that I was [TS]

  not at all I guess where I sort of said OK I sort of took the bull by the horns of it [TS]

  and said OK I've had all these other videos about what I want to explain how I would explain to them. [TS]

  One so that for me was watching myself explain something in a way you know watching is me trying to do what you eat [TS]

  what you do and you know Henry doesn't know. [TS]

  Oh you guys you know just to spin and explain myself and I found it interesting to see how I did do it differently [TS]

  and I did do it quite slowly I mean I didn't because it's not has got much information on my video [TS]

  and it's just let me say that again I understand. [TS]

  I want them out of the whole problem deserves that it deserves a very slow walk through of what the link in the show [TS]

  notes for people listening problem with with to go to the car behind the door the host changes on you know we talked [TS]

  about that little bit beforehand [TS]

  and that that is one that really deserves a slow walk I could never make a video about the about the mud the whole [TS]

  problem. [TS]

  Quickly it which would defeat the whole purpose of doing a video like that no one would be able to follow it I guess I [TS]

  look like when I'm being when I'm teaching someone something and I'm told I'm quite annoying [TS]

  when I teach people things. [TS]

  If I'm probably not a good example but I do like to like emphasize things and say things twice [TS]

  and say did you say that look I'm going to show you that again and they say fastidious don't lend themselves to that [TS]

  and that's where I kind of well that's why I watch them twice. Two views. [TS]

  Yes Oh it's not really that I have hundreds of thousands of people watching my videos I have tens of thousands of [TS]

  people watch it and many times it's proper I'm sure that's not the case. [TS]

  Anyway let's go back to the video though because if you there's a couple of things to talk about that have fallen out [TS]

  from we have to do is and as soon as it went [TS]

  and everyone was waiting for us to talk about some the podcast you made a mistake. [TS]

  Yes yes let's I'll let you I'll let you explain it. [TS]

  Yeah so in the video there is a section where I talk about in-laws and I. [TS]

  Mistakenly used the phrase in law or prefix or I say you add the in-law prefix to the title to get the full name [TS]

  and of course you talk about a brother in law. It comes at the end it's a suffix not a prefix. [TS]

  So for those who didn't even realize that mistakes in there it's not like a structural mistake to the explanation here [TS]

  it's just your affair you made almost you almost making a sort of an offhand remark about this. [TS]

  This prefix when in fact should have said it's a suffix [TS]

  but it doesn't it doesn't change the meaning of the video in any way it's just a pedantic little little point [TS]

  but people notice. [TS]

  Yeah if I did this I didn't know I watched it twice and didn't notice [TS]

  and then I had said I want to have Gray's comments a going [TS]

  and then all of these comments about every everybody every comment Well that's what. [TS]

  Since you just brought up an interesting point I'd like to go on the record here. [TS]

  So very often people spot a comment like this [TS]

  and then they'll say something to me like why don't you just put up an annotation [TS]

  and instead of avoiding all of these comments and four for a video [TS]

  or for an error like that I will never put up an annotation because it doesn't like that that that error doesn't matter. [TS]

  There's nobody out there who's speaking English who is going to be writing [TS]

  or saying in law brother as a result of my video. No one's going to do that no one's going to make that mistake. [TS]

  So I don't put at the end the annotation because my suspicion is that most people don't notice and it doesn't matter [TS]

  and putting up the annotation then is just it's a distraction from the video is the same reason why it with Iran that's [TS]

  a bold campaign to get rid of the pop up ads because those those pop up ads come twelve seconds into the video [TS]

  and it's just it's such a distraction for a moment from I'm just watching this. [TS]

  Video [TS]

  and I think any kind of annotation you run that same risk that the annotation is just for a moment it divert someone's [TS]

  attention [TS]

  and since I think most people don't notice I don't want to put something like that up to call attention to it it has [TS]

  nothing to do with so I hope people think that I'm right about everything [TS]

  and it just it just has more to do with that little element of distraction. [TS]

  Yes it's like clattering their viewing experience. [TS]

  Yes and I know every letter is a visual clutter [TS]

  and I actually my wife watch the video I didn't say anything to her about it and she didn't notice either. [TS]

  When did you realize the mistake was there. Oh I knew it in the audio tracks I had it you know when you editing. [TS]

  Yeah that is part the problem is actually I phrased it slightly differently in the slower audio track [TS]

  and the phrase in the slightly wrong way in the faster audio track [TS]

  and I was I spent a good while trying to edit around this but I knew it was there when it was uploaded [TS]

  but I couldn't edit around it in a way that didn't suddenly have me talking really slowly [TS]

  or where the edit point wasn't just so obvious and awkward so I left it and I knew it was there. I'm amazed by that. [TS]

  I'm amazed you didn't fix it. Well I'm just from what I know of you. [TS]

  For me this is a workflow issue is going back and fixing something like that at that stage is not so easy. [TS]

  I mean I've often wanted to do some research into professional voiceover people to know more about how they do their [TS]

  jobs because I am really aware that I cannot record things at different times without them sounding incredibly [TS]

  different. So I had set up all my audio equipment. [TS]

  I had done the recording I caught the error later [TS]

  and I knew if I'm going to fix this I have to fix the whole I have to redo the whole thing. [TS]

  You couldn't redo the whole thing so you cut to the sounds that it would have just been a massive mess. [TS]

  Yes it was it was mainly an issue I wanted to get it out by when. Today at the latest. [TS]

  And I was doing the mental calculation of OK how long is it going to take for me to redo the audio [TS]

  and then re cut it and I figured now I'm not going to get it out on time. [TS]

  This is going to push it back just a little bit too much. [TS]

  I am willing to take the hit on this error and let it go up which I want to point out. [TS]

  Internet I am not a perfectionist [TS]

  and I think this is evidence for that fact that I am very happy to make cost benefit decisions along these lines of Is [TS]

  this error worth fixing [TS]

  and in this case I came down very clearly on the no side of it it wasn't even a debate in my mind [TS]

  but I'm not redoing the whole audio just for this this one little thing [TS]

  but I knew that I was going to have to deal with everybody everybody commenting on it which they did they did in spades. [TS]

  I got many e-mails and tweets and comments [TS]

  and thank you everyone for pointing for pointing that out I think the top comment on the right discussion is that [TS]

  because that's what has assuaged doesn't make you think history done the only you know has a change of mind you stand [TS]

  by the decision. Now I know I completely stand by the decision. [TS]

  I know that if I if I had done that the video wouldn't be up. Now I would rather have it up sooner than later. [TS]

  Yeah because it's also for me it's an issue of impacting the future things that I'm working on because I know full well [TS]

  that if I didn't get it up by this week. [TS]

  Even though in theory maybe I'm only adding a couple hours to the actual work flow. [TS]

  The result would be I would end up spending more time on that video because now I'm mentally thinking well it doesn't [TS]

  have to be up until the following Monday and I would end up putting more detail into the animation [TS]

  and so this was a this was a just cut down on future workload decision which I think was the correct decision [TS]

  and I you know I can't imagine there's anybody out there who thought this video was great [TS]

  but that one error just killed it and now I'm not going to share it on Facebook. [TS]

  So I mean you must do the same thing there must be times [TS]

  when there are things in your video that you know are inconsequential errors and you leave them [TS]

  and I mean you're writing also but that might happen. It happened today. [TS]

  OK activated I knew it was a number of our video went up today about the friends and strangers there I'm in [TS]

  and it just has a. [TS]

  There was a moment where the guy called Simon who's in the video wrote a greater than sign [TS]

  and it should have been a greater than or equal sign [TS]

  and again incorrect it should have been greater than a course it didn't change the meaning of what he did. [TS]

  He's ten and a half thousand miles away so we can't really record and I noticed and I discussed it with him [TS]

  and he he knew he'd noticed it as well and we just said well it doesn't change anything. [TS]

  Anyone who notices anyone he knows it's a mistake. [TS]

  Understands what's going on well enough anyway so it's the sort of person who pointed out is a sort of person who's not [TS]

  going to be misled anyway because they're savvy enough so I left it [TS]

  but I did put a note in the in the video description saying it five minutes fifteen way to where it should have been a [TS]

  greater than it was and when I uploaded I uploaded it with that comment. [TS]

  So I was the top comment it was the upload a top comment so anyone who looks at the comments will say as the top [TS]

  comment still. [TS]

  If you are you're assuming people read those descriptions you control the descriptions with nonsense nobody reads. [TS]

  No no no I don't give a description wouldn't matter [TS]

  but I thought taht comment would matter because I think if you're going to write a comment don't you just just like if [TS]

  you're going to make your glasses joke on Twitter. [TS]

  Nine times out of ten you get a check that no one else is made to check first that you just used. [TS]

  You're so filled with the desire to correct somebody else you just scroll past all the other stuff in the comment box [TS]

  comment box become a part of the book the top comes an IP IP in Atlanta. [TS]

  I'd be too embarrassed to write a comment on the You Tube video without first checking that there weren't a million [TS]

  other comments the same but other people don't share this reservation. [TS]

  But then you then you have to spend time looking through the You Tube comments which is a total train wreck. [TS]

  Yes yes yes I would look through all thousand but I'd look at the top one [TS]

  and in this case the top one deals exactly with the thing that they're commenting on that's why I made sure it was the [TS]

  top comment. [TS]

  So anyway it doesn't bother me I knew it was going to happen [TS]

  but in answer to your question sometimes these things happen. [TS]

  My reason was more because of we couldn't do it because the guy I filmed is in Australia now [TS]

  but even I just had a look at the place to leave a comment on You Tube is above the top comments that someone could not [TS]

  even see the top comments when they're when they're writing to creatures of course. [TS]

  Well I certainly hope they're not saying it. I hope that's true. [TS]

  Even more disappointing if we are looking at the top comment saying a perfectly logical explanation for not letting [TS]

  them a stake in what happened and why has it been fixed and then just blindly wrote you made this mistake. [TS]

  I'm I hope they're not looking at what they want to really rub it of that I felt that he had more faith in humanity. [TS]

  If they are saying the comment and still writing that is astonishing to me that people write these comments [TS]

  and it just shows how much of Internet commenting is just people talking into the void doesn't because all of these [TS]

  people who are writing comments expecting people to read them and even reading comments themselves. [TS]

  Well I think they should take that as a lesson that he only sees already the coming. [TS]

  Yeah this is a bit on our topic list for a while as to some time to do a episode about common forms that this is a [TS]

  particular hobby horse of mine. [TS]

  Now I should even mention now because people are going to imagine the most perfect hello internet episode ever about [TS]

  that but yes I think that it least on You Tube You Tube is structurally set up so that you are yelling into the void. [TS]

  Obviously comments are not like that everywhere but the structure of Youtube just made. [TS]

  So when you are here I really have a mental image of opening a room opening a door to a room [TS]

  and there's thousands of voices already in that room screaming and then you just yell your comment in [TS]

  and close the door that is I would be the real world equivalent of contributing to this discussion. [TS]

  It's just why even bother. [TS]

  Sorry You Tube engineers who work on the comment system you know that I have met some of you I know it might not be [TS]

  your fault but that comment system is just a total disaster and I'm never going to not harp on it. [TS]

  Speaking of comments I know that you know that you do love comments his read [TS]

  and there has been some discussion in the wake of your family tree video which was which was quite interesting which is [TS]

  about the issue of. [TS]

  Your new video prompted someone to think about the end of their their family tree in terms of that the name. [TS]

  Obviously there are certain configurations that will result in a male name being passed on the more [TS]

  and you know the gray name would continue because I haven't had children and my brother has been [TS]

  and this person was feeling quite sad about the idea that maybe their name was about to hit a dead end. [TS]

  Their surname and I think you were winding them up a bit you will say you weren't [TS]

  but your responses were very deliberately coded robotic saying well why do you care about your name. [TS]

  I don't get it you know. [TS]

  Well you are winding them up a bit [TS]

  but is this really do you really not understand why someone would be sad that their name would come to an end. [TS]

  I get what with two things about this show if I can find that common first well I will genuinely say that I was I was [TS]

  not trying to wind them up. [TS]

  I know that you will believe that people on the Internet might not believe that but I really wasn't [TS]

  and it is partly just a side effect of the day that video was released I had only slept two hours I was up all night [TS]

  animating it I went to sleep very briefly. And then got up and finished working out in the morning and uploaded it. [TS]

  And even even at my best on video release days I tend to be pretty brief in the comments partly because of just so many [TS]

  comments coming along that I do. [TS]

  I can come across as quite curt [TS]

  but I'm much less likely to write long comments comments on video released so I think that that's partly why I come off [TS]

  as very brusque in that thread but I'm not trying to one person up. [TS]

  OK [TS]

  but what we're about to discuss here is a particular example of something that I would say happens in my life quite a lot [TS]

  which is someone will discuss with me something that that they had a purpose that that there may be that they don't [TS]

  like like some sort of problem like this person saying oh it makes him sad to think about his his family name dying out [TS]

  so he will discuss with me something in their life that they that they that is making them sad [TS]

  and I'm trying to convince them that the thing that's making them sad shouldn't make them sad in the first place [TS]

  and then that generally just transitions them to sadness. Now mixed with anger is usually the response that I get. [TS]

  And I can kind of understand why this happens but I also Chen you really find it is sometimes kind of baffling [TS]

  and confusing and that's not what the Cubans were grey I don't know how humans work. [TS]

  This is this is so I would say this is a problem I have with the discussion. [TS]

  I would I would like you to try to explain to me now why is it that not everybody but [TS]

  but some people are concerned with the notion that a hundred years from now there are people who have their name [TS]

  descendant from them walking around the world. [TS]

  I don't I don't know when we talk about that before we talk about that let's talk to you about how humans work. [TS]

  OK Many times when people tell you their problems they do not want you to solve their problems. [TS]

  Why they tell me their problems. [TS]

  Because they want empathy because they want to share their problems they want to unload it. [TS]

  They want someone another human to tell them things are OK They don't want them to invalidate their feelings [TS]

  and tell them you're wrong to think that not only like like if your wife comes comes home from work [TS]

  and she's had a bad day. [TS]

  This is general advice not to talk to your wife because you know what's different of Sacre she chose to marry a [TS]

  but right. [TS]

  Life is lightly done there but generally if your wife comes home from work [TS]

  and says I'm having these problems at work I had a terrible day. [TS]

  My boss wasn't my boss wasn't nice or clients weren't nice or something went wrong and. [TS]

  They don't want you to sit there and say Well tomorrow this is your strategy. [TS]

  You've got to go into the room and tell the people this and then you go to report that and you got to fix this [TS]

  and you got it. They don't want that. [TS]

  They just want you to put around and make them a competent [TS]

  and say wow you had a really rubbish day I feel really sorry for a while. [TS]

  Life is tough but I'm here and I carefully they don't want you to sit and likewise [TS]

  when someone says I'm feeling a bit sad about my name coming to an end. [TS]

  I don't think they necessarily want a robot to reply to them [TS]

  and say well what you're feeling is completely irrational there's no logic to it. [TS]

  You're wrong to feel sad your sadness is invalid. [TS]

  And this is why that's not what humans want when they fled their homes. [TS]

  But if I could convince that guy that there was no reason to be sad about this he would be better he would be happier [TS]

  if he realized Oh that is irrational to think I that's OK This is not a problem anymore. [TS]

  No I have where people like this is not convincing to you. [TS]

  No course you know the saying What if we will all computers [TS]

  and I don't I don't I know I don't think I have it I don't mind the robot job [TS]

  but I feel like this is this is a general there have been cases in my life where I have been discussing problems with [TS]

  people I'm almost always looking for feedback and I'm very happy when people have some kind of solution. [TS]

  That's great that that's enough I have a problem [TS]

  and someone has a solution please believe Jared to me Don't put your arm around me and go up so sorry for you I. [TS]

  I empathize with you you know I like you do you have a solution to my problem I would love to I have experiences this [TS]

  way. [TS]

  I've had this catastrophe with my will hang on I'm not going to say catastrophe because two weeks ago I was you know [TS]

  there was a loss in my family [TS]

  and someone else had the surgery so this mean serious stuff going on so I'm not going to describe computer problems as [TS]

  a catastrophe because they know that I had substantial problems with my computer and hard drive [TS]

  and it looks like I've lost a lot of data with them. [TS]

  Hopefully what needs what needs to be backed up is backed up [TS]

  but there was so much stuff that it wasn't even feasible to back some of the stuff I'm talking terabytes upon terabytes [TS]

  of archive now looks like it's gone. I've had to have a winch on Twitter about it a couple of times saying oh dear. [TS]

  What I want is either a so is I think I would like someone to say there is a solution you can recover. [TS]

  I would like that [TS]

  but also I don't mind people saying oh poor Brady that's really bad feeling for a man to get your data back I hope it [TS]

  works out I don't want people telling me you should have this is what you should have done [TS]

  or this is you know get back stuff up but no no listen listen to this one a bit of a around you and well life is tough. [TS]

  It's I have to interrupt you here for two things first of all one you talk. [TS]

  About your computer problems I believe I have said many times like wow that really set you great. [TS]

  Yeah that's right and that's what you should always do. Yeah. Yes but can I tell you why I did it in the circumstances. [TS]

  Because me telling you. Oh you should have backed up your data. That's just me being a jerk right. [TS]

  Oh if you had a time machine you could go back in time if I could. [TS]

  Yeah great but you know what that's not where we are right now where we are is that you've lost all the data [TS]

  and you know what the loss of data is tremendously sad. There's no recovering from that is gone forever. [TS]

  And me telling you what you should have done in the past is pointless totally pointless. [TS]

  Nothing nothing to be done there. [TS]

  So I expressed a loss you know I like sadness over the loss of so I did this is the right thing. [TS]

  This is not the situation that we're describing right now but he currently has a problem [TS]

  and is a solution to that problem and they don't want me to tell them the solution they instead want me to go on. [TS]

  So sorry for you. [TS]

  Now that's two those are two totally different unrelated I think I think they are different I don't know that is really [TS]

  different. [TS]

  I think they really defy thing going to really you know I think there are threads here I think there are threads here [TS]

  and lessons that connect to you but you're right they are very different for the way she explained. [TS]

  Yes thank you let's come back to the one you slammed. [TS]

  I'm clearly I've had my say about how I think sometimes people should be dealt with [TS]

  when they express things that make them sad. Let's come to the actual facts of the matter. [TS]

  Yes And this is this is now like problems. [TS]

  Yeah there's a time out there their family name dying out despair to come to anybody else to care and carry on [TS]

  but I think it's a shame and I completely empathize with what they're saying [TS]

  and I think telling him that his name is just a construct of sounds and language attached to it. Alina. [TS]

  Each of fleshy watery bodies that are reproducing overtime I don't begrudge none of them around her son. [TS]

  But this is I think. OK you tell me you tell me the rational you tell me what he should be said. [TS]

  Well here again we're touching upon like a sensitive issue here which is two different things. [TS]

  If somebody wants to have children and is unable to have children for whatever reason that's a huge tragedy. [TS]

  That is that's just very sad. Yes yes of course and it's why if you want to talk about you know like pet peeves. [TS]

  One of the pet peeves that I find totally unbelievable is that it is socially acceptable to ask a couple [TS]

  when they're going to have children. [TS]

  That infuriates me to no end because it's like such a personal issue and people have fertility problems [TS]

  and there are couples who want to have children and if they're trying to have children [TS]

  and not able to like that's such a huge sore spots of the very notion that it is socially acceptable to to ask people [TS]

  when they're going to have children. I just I cannot believe the people. Yes I find that just infuriating. [TS]

  YANG It's so rude to do that. Making me angry even just ignorant. I'm on board with yeah so. [TS]

  So like that is a totally different issue. Yet that was not the conversation we're having. [TS]

  No no no no that is not that's far from the conversation. Yeah so so that that's a very different issue. [TS]

  The idea people were literally having a conversation of people talking about hundreds of years in the future there's [TS]

  not going to be anyone who's descendant from this person [TS]

  or the name is going to die out there was there was another sort of sub thread about in about I think this guy has [TS]

  daughters who will have children presumably [TS]

  but he's not going to have a son you know he's not going to have a son to carry our name [TS]

  and I find that just just like I just I don't even understand what the person wants or and so there's. [TS]

  There's a line here in the conversation where I'm trying to I'm trying to ask [TS]

  and get it clarified it's like I don't understand why people care about the name in particular [TS]

  and the response was you know it has to do with tradition and legacy and family values. [TS]

  A name is is not just a word with a response and I say it's a symbol it's a symbol but surely traditions [TS]

  and legacies and family values those have to do with the people I think maybe your living daughters and their families. [TS]

  What is this what does the name have to do with this. [TS]

  This thing at all if that's cool if there are of course that's true but it's still really sad if someone goes [TS]

  and if someone went and I was going to say the Vatican but I went to that's a bad example [TS]

  but if someone goes he smashes down an old church you know the church is the people [TS]

  and the people could build a new building and still come together and have that community [TS]

  but it still said that this five hundred year old building has gone because it was a symbol of what came before. [TS]

  Also terrible analogy that active destruction of. [TS]

  Something like I think it was a destructive if if if it just fell down from old age [TS]

  or it had to those you know it went for natural reasons. [TS]

  A sinkhole opened up in the ground and it sank into the ground. [TS]

  Whatever whatever the reasons there's nothing wrong with symbols like and people [TS]

  and it's sad to see the end of if you're watching a film of some and walking across the desert [TS]

  and it gets to the other side of the desert [TS]

  and then right at the very end of its journey a rock falls on gets squashed. You can say Oh well it was just an ant or. [TS]

  Well there are other ants but it stew said when you've seen something go for a long time and do carry on. [TS]

  Come to an end. [TS]

  There's like an attachment you were giving me nothing [TS]

  but examples that I agree with that I think are all irrelevant to that. [TS]

  Question about the family names like the death of the death of a living creature. [TS]

  Yeah I'm agreeing that sad I watch that [TS]

  and they all want to see what I'm saying is attach those emotions to the symbol that is a name. [TS]

  Because that's what this person's doing. I know that's what they're doing. I can't understand I can't understand why. [TS]

  I mean here's here's here's the here's the deal you know you understand symbolism this if this person who wrote that [TS]

  read a comment was taking the position that I don't care what happens to the rest of my family [TS]

  and if they all have horrible diseases and end up in jail I don't care as long as they have my name. [TS]

  I'm happy if that was their position then. Then your analogy works and I agree. [TS]

  And I'm saying well hey man you're putting a bit too much emphasis on the name here [TS]

  but I don't think that's what they're doing. [TS]

  I think I think they have got things in a bit of context I think that has to be sad that a symbol that has been going [TS]

  for a very very long time because of a series of events and coincidences or happenings that you [TS]

  and I don't know about that symbol is about to come to an end. [TS]

  And and there's nothing wrong with mourning that loss and feeling a bit sad about it and I'm not saying I should go [TS]

  and jump off the Golden Gate Bridge that was unreasonable that I think it's perfectly valid to mourn the passing of. [TS]

  An old tradition but you know I'm like that I like old traditions I like old stuff it is just a name [TS]

  but it is a symbol and it's a powerful symbol it's not just a trinket. [TS]

  This isn't just a little little Eiffel Tower souvenir and I name it name is a very powerful symbol [TS]

  and therefore it through any other name would smell as sweet BRADY You know [TS]

  and I'm sure that person hopes that their descendants you know honors their daughters go on to do great. [TS]

  Things and their daughters daughters and sons and all those people. [TS]

  I hope that that person is not you know just completely you know to satiating them so from their family because the [TS]

  names are continuing. But I still completely understands that little bit a little twinge of sadness. [TS]

  There's been this long line of that name for however long. And it's and it's coming to an end. [TS]

  You know that's just that's the world kicks spinning but there's nothing wrong with being sad about. [TS]

  I completely understand what that person saying I understand what you're saying to you know this is your you're you're [TS]

  pretty cold you're pretty coldly rational about these things. You don't you're not sentimental. [TS]

  But I guess there are going to mentor people or I you know I still I feel like I have a hard time understanding. [TS]

  So I have a hard time understanding that the position and I know I know you don't. [TS]

  It's just a sentimental attachment to something that's been in the family for a very long time. [TS]

  That's about to not be in the family anymore. [TS]

  That's it's losing it's losing it's losing and no nice thing [TS]

  and I know that you don't want things it's like it was some watch that had been in the family so I was I was just I was [TS]

  just as I use that as a as a counter-example because that that is a case where I have I have no space in my heart for [TS]

  hand me downs of my own personal life [TS]

  but I can go there I can intuitively understand why other people place value on objects that have been in the family [TS]

  and I can get that you know you know you pass down your you know great grandmother's engagement ring [TS]

  and you know names and file names of very very powerful to us. C.D.P. Gray owner of C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray You Tube channel now you have a very pet names of powerful things that we that we are very attached to [TS]

  and very much part of us and I can understand the sadness. At losing one. What you say makes sense to me. [TS]

  But you're not taking sentimental you're not taking sentimentality into account enough. There's no right or wrong here. [TS]

  Well I mean I still think I'm right. [TS]

  OK Not that I'm not I'm not going to lie but that's because you are right but you're also the other guy's rut. [TS]

  Did you know that this is you can't both be right. [TS]

  Yeah I don't know I don't like it that I can [TS]

  and I can understand I can understand the physical objects thing even though I personally don't feel that I can see why [TS]

  do other people feel that it's then the name thing I don't know it's strikes me strikes me as especially weird [TS]

  when that weird but not understandable [TS]

  when somebody has a family they think they already have children it's just that by the conventions of the world that we [TS]

  live in. Males pass along the names and they get married and females don't. [TS]

  I get that I can totally understand it this is wrapped up in the question of do you have children [TS]

  and well those children have children. [TS]

  That's completely understandable but like oh I have children [TS]

  but they're not going to pass on the name that makes me sad is I don't know I feel it will become comes around this [TS]

  becomes about you know first world problems relative typing to doesn't like this persons complaining on Reddit you know [TS]

  to you who yes it got good luck already a terrible decision [TS]

  but you know everyone everyone here where shaming has a good life [TS]

  and everything's OK If this guy was wandering around the plains of West Africa to people who were dying of starvation [TS]

  and and asking for their sympathy because his name was coming to an end I would. I would say one thing about me. [TS]

  It's not a big deal but you know so I was [TS]

  but I'm sure he would recognize that as well yeah yeah all the other things I worry about in my daily life I think I [TS]

  would not be worrying about them if my life was about [TS]

  and so I likewise comparing comparing his mourning of a name to people who haven't got you know progeny who would like [TS]

  to have progeny. Well that's a different discussion. [TS]

  And I don't think he would and I think he or she is doing now but it's a good fun discussion. [TS]

  It's interesting you know. It's a strange it's a strange thing. [TS]

  I mean I don't think we'll ever have a podcast about this but [TS]

  when I hear you talk about you know the significance of names [TS]

  and things it does make me wonder about what you think about like you know the deeper deeper meaning of life [TS]

  and legacy and what we leave behind and do we worry about that and what happens next. [TS]

  Oh come on now we've got we've got ten minutes before you have to go. It's the same with this new language. [TS]

  So I just took my blue book. [TS]