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H.I. #39: Getting Things Done


  I you know I am your story very gray still with them at all. [TS]

  How is Audrey doing well I machining you are asking about her imminent surgery. [TS]

  I thought she was she was scheduled to have her leave the surgery as you describe it I've been I've been concerned she [TS]

  she was scheduled she went and had her check everything was in order. [TS]

  But because of various factors to do with preferred vet and holidays [TS]

  and things it has been put off until mid June so all is calm. [TS]

  Well all is calm is conveyed in the world of Audrey has been a big week for Gene used to have a favorite toy which you [TS]

  may remember a little bear. [TS]

  I remember Little Bear I remember little bit she quite liked all their little bear is definitely in the top of her sort [TS]

  of top of the rotation. [TS]

  Now after much much playing in much chewing [TS]

  and much aggression from ots little tastes Little Bear has finally lost its own oh yeah it was a it was a sad moment so [TS]

  I kept at the moment with the camera for posterity [TS]

  and I don't know what we're going to do I had to fish the arm out of the pin. [TS]

  My wife is very much of a mind to get rid of it straight away but I'm kind of a bit more sentimental as you know [TS]

  and more of a hoarder as you know you have to try to say a little bare of apologies favorite it's a great fighter that [TS]

  you have to link everyone to the photo of little bear Sanson [TS]

  and I actually did have some high speed slow motion footage of orgy playing with little bad I hadn't got around to [TS]

  editing not put that on the Internet as well so I had it was sort of the O.J. [TS]

  Little bear week here in the house with this all on the lake doesn't oddly have a Facebook page [TS]

  or something that you maintain. Yeah yeah put on our Facebook pages so happening all the orgy fans know all about it. [TS]

  I've also seen it turn to look at the videos this way too. [TS]

  Actually she pees in two of my videos this wakes so this there's a bit of an ace too. One of them is pretty obvious. [TS]

  One of them is a total hidden easter eggs. Only the Truth fans are going to see that. [TS]

  Well that yeah that'll be a fun Where's Waldo hunt. [TS]

  Yeah well you weren't safe because that would involve watching one of my videos but I want your videos I watch a video. [TS]

  So anyway sorry I'll keep you up to date with O.T. but For now she says she doesn't know what's coming. [TS]

  She is just fine she's probably mostly broken up about a little better [TS]

  but she doesn't know about the impending surgery in which her doctor might be listening to audiobooks while scaring the [TS]

  thing is she loves going. [TS]

  Actually she loves going to the vet much she really enjoys every one of the vet love surgeries a real celebrity [TS]

  and I'm worried that this experience is going to change the way she looks at the vet because at the moment I think it's [TS]

  just a place she thinks we take her to go and have fun. [TS]

  And next time she goes it's going to be a while hang on I didn't sign up for this. [TS]

  What do you normally do at the vet that she thinks it's fun. No no don't say you don't. [TS]

  Taking a dog to the vet is not does not happy fun times at the vet when you bring a dog. Everything's fun for O.J. [TS]

  Everyone dates on air and she gets to sniff lots of people and lick them and play [TS]

  and everyone's talking in a high pitched voice to her and and she's never had anything you know badly wrong. [TS]

  He's had a few injections but she's fine with them. [TS]

  She's so good she loves that she loves everything she is a singularity of pure joy she is. She definitely is. [TS]

  All right well keep me posted on the Audrey news you know I do think you could start. [TS]

  No no I'm going to say in the last forecast you mentioned you run being sterile and I don't know you well. [TS]

  Didn't you get the hint. [TS]

  I think one was run of the wrong on the internet you are going to hear about it I think it was just it was a perfect. [TS]

  Or him of having seconds earlier been discussing urban legends and these false notions that spread [TS]

  and then moving right into the oh you're in a sterile thing. [TS]

  It turns out I have been informed many many times this is not true. [TS]

  I do have I do have a tiny tiny point I want to make in my defense though. [TS]

  I got into an argument with someone about this years ago because I was on the opposite side of this. [TS]

  I thought that this notion that you're in a sterile like oh come on that can't possibly be true. [TS]

  Urine is disgusting it has to not be sterile. [TS]

  I remember looking it up [TS]

  and coming up cross this little piece of information that basically where this notion comes from that urine is sterile [TS]

  is that [TS]

  when you try to culture it in the little Petri dishes you don't get the like the kind of bacteria that live in your [TS]

  urine don't grow very well in those petri dishes. [TS]

  Hank Green of Science Show did a little video talking about that [TS]

  and that piece of information is something I must have come across years ago when I was originally looking this up [TS]

  and a member changing my opinion like homework contrary to my belief urine is sterile. [TS]

  But it seems that recent research papers have been able to culture bacteria that are not the not the normal culture [TS]

  loving ones that we have and other things so I'm not like I was wrong. [TS]

  There's no two ways about it I was wrong and I certainly have. I have definitely heard about it. [TS]

  I mean maybe you know you're honest. I would hope so I would hope my earnest. [TS]

  No I mean I can see why you think that because it's sort of I don't know if it is the same sex I mean that would be [TS]

  kind of a city a can not very conducive to life and you know it fits in the realm of possibility but it is not true. [TS]

  And yes I received a torrent of corrections from people gleeful to inform me not to. Case Yeah. [TS]

  Not the sort of thing people does that passes. [TS]

  No it is not [TS]

  and I have now had to set up a filter with where you're in on my Twitter because getting is getting a bit out of hand. [TS]

  I was like yeah I know people I don't need to receive three hundred more of it and I shy flags. [TS]

  You brought it up last time I think the idea of what would a hello internet flag look like in Dade Yes And I think you [TS]

  put in the show notes here a link to a couple of designs that people have come up with for hello internet. [TS]

  Oh wow I don't want I don't want to have a huge debate over who put what in the shyness [TS]

  but I thought you put that one in anyway doesn't it was the show no it's fairy who put it in. [TS]

  No I haven't seen some of these I mean various people various people have submitted designs of varying levels of [TS]

  excellence. And thank you to everyone who did. [TS]

  I have the ones I have seen I found interesting and I'm I'm humbled that our viewers would do it. [TS]

  So I always I always come to view this to listeners it's OK Brady OK It bothers me when I do it [TS]

  and I took all the time. Sorry no one would. [TS]

  I don't even notice no one would notice unless you brought brought attention to it now. OK Go on. [TS]

  The we have had so many interesting designs but they've come to at least me from a variety of sources. [TS]

  So I've seen some stuff on Reddit I've seen some people tweet flag designs at me for hello internet I've received some [TS]

  e-mails with flag designs in the ME just kind of this random assortment of things. [TS]

  So what I would actually like to do is [TS]

  when this show goes live I want to put a thread on the Reddit where people can submit the flags that they've made [TS]

  because I would like to see them all in a in a single collection somewhere. [TS]

  So people have already submitted one if they could resubmit to that thread that of the really handy. [TS]

  Yes that's that's what I'm requesting I'm going to make a thread if you have a flag submitted as a top level comment [TS]

  like let's not have a whole bunch of replies nester. [TS]

  Below each other I would say I would really love to see them kind of all on one level in this way people can vote them [TS]

  up and vote them down [TS]

  and really all the flags are welcomed into which were intentionally kind of terrible to be funny [TS]

  and I've seen them genuinely really well designed ones. [TS]

  Yeah there they've just been very good so I think it would be great if we could try to collect them all together in one [TS]

  spot so [TS]

  when the show goes live I will if I remember try to put a discussion thread on the reddit so people can just put them [TS]

  all in one place and then maybe we can talk about them next time. [TS]

  Yeah I really enjoyed them that's a really good idea here also because I would like to sort of say that in one place to [TS]

  because I'm far too disorganized to hunt around for them but it's it's really cool people are doing. [TS]

  Sometimes like can you hear that on your end. There is an owl outside of my window right now on no on an I.V. [TS]

  That's awesome. [TS]

  I just don't know if you can hear it hooting away [TS]

  but I think I think I might have now that you mention it I think that's totally cool. [TS]

  Long may it hurt I really rather not have a hoot because it is now officially summer here [TS]

  and my office is already incredibly hot and when I start recording podcast it gets way too warm [TS]

  and I'm trying to keep the window cracked open a little bit so I don't succeed to death [TS]

  but towel might make me have to close the window. [TS]

  Going to be really funny if this is an arrow in the background it doesn't have to be silent [TS]

  and I think I think people would like that there's an arrow there because we've got a history with houses where I have [TS]

  my own work on the park. [TS]

  Yeah I mean I have this big open window to the outside [TS]

  and I'm just kind of really hoping to be able doesn't come in during the pod cast as well. [TS]

  So how close is he I can see where he is [TS]

  but it sounds like that would be the most awesome moment in the history of podcast if you go I checked out while we [TS]

  were recording I think that would be awesome but for not reasons that I would appreciate or enjoy [TS]

  but it's not there to be great for dogs. [TS]

  Yes it might be great for dusky it might be great for our listener ship numbers [TS]

  but it wouldn't be great for me personally. Come on guy take one for the tame great take one for the tame take. [TS]

  Our tech. No I think I will pass. Now I received an email this week Lou which was awesome. [TS]

  I was so excited by some going to call it up here. [TS]

  This comes from a woman named and all and Lisa she's she's from some European countries I had name is quite exotic [TS]

  and I'm not exactly sure how to pronounce that. [TS]

  So anyway this comes on the heels of us having talked about people who listen to the podcast while performing surgery. [TS]

  No no not more of this. [TS]

  Well I thought that was pretty awesome that there were people who were actually doing surgery about listening to the [TS]

  podcast and Liza I apologize if that's incorrect. Has has topped it all. [TS]

  I'm going to read you and then I'm going to send you the photo that was attached. OK dear Brady did great. [TS]

  You were wondering in your last episode who has the time to this into pod casts. Here's a possible answer. [TS]

  Scientists on maternity leave in the last weeks of my pregnancy I finally had the time to listen to all your [TS]

  representatives your conversations were placed very well the stimulating exchanges I would normally have at work during [TS]

  the coffee break. Your last episode was also a great help in the delivery room scene picture which I would ask and no. [TS]

  So here she is on the sort of delivery bed. [TS]

  Like it's OK It's not like too graphic on the delivery bed listening to Africa and I will read on. [TS]

  You managed to make me laugh at a time when my husband was too stressed [TS]

  and tired to provide distraction I recommend your podcast [TS]

  and videos to all my friends especially young parents at home who crave so much intelligent entertainment. [TS]

  Thank you for your great work both of you make fantastic videos [TS]

  and compliment each other perfectly with your different styles. Like real cellmates smiley face. Cheers and Liza. [TS]

  Wow OK they are getting pretty much listening to hello internet. [TS]

  Yeah I think we can claim it is like a hello internet baby. [TS]

  Oh I did ask because I did reply because I will put them on my blog. [TS]

  I went with the picture on the blog because that's obviously a personal thing right. [TS]

  But I did ask if she had a boy or ago it was a boy. [TS]

  I haven't got a name as yet well so who is she going to name the boy after I guess is the question I had [TS]

  and I wouldn't wish the name Brady on anyone. But then again I wouldn't wish the name Seiji pay on anyone either. [TS]

  I think I think she's going to have to just go here OH MY on that one. [TS]

  Speaking of how the internet based [TS]

  or whether other more hello Well of course is the most famous Hollywood baby of Oh [TS]

  and I did receive your postage today where you have mailed and I know I know you don't want me to say this [TS]

  but I'm going to say I was once I was wondering if this was ever going to come. [TS]

  You have made to me the certificate you were given when C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray the penguin was officially named this is a this is a shining testament to how much you really will not accumulate [TS]

  things or anything sentimental you've said basically no I haven't and my house. [TS]

  I sent you a video of me scanning the certificate in my house [TS]

  and you immediately replied warning me not to throw it away and I've promised you that I wouldn't [TS]

  and I knew then exactly what I was going to do. [TS]

  Going to throw it away but I was going to give it to you [TS]

  and I figure you can you can frame it somewhere in your house better off to a better plan. [TS]

  So yes I excuse the pun I'm still hatching the plan so I know that and I don't know that exactly [TS]

  but I think it will involve our patron supporters. So I mean. If you happen to be one of those people. [TS]

  Keep an eye on the sado over the next few weeks to a month or so and there may be some news on that front. [TS]

  OK Well I look forward to hearing about a plan that is incubating at the moment so nice now I just want to I know I [TS]

  bring this up all the time but I feel like I have to bring it up again [TS]

  and people must think they're in some kind of time warp because actually I just listened to the old episode of how the [TS]

  Internet that you put on You Tube today because you looked them up a little bit behind real time [TS]

  and I was discussing on that so people must think I talk about nothing else. [TS]

  What is it you want to talk about I greatly want to mention something about the word humble brag. [TS]

  OK let's do this yet again. Everybody listen carefully doesn't matter what you're going to say baby. [TS]

  Listen carefully Gray and I love talking about humble bragging. I'm sure it will never stop. [TS]

  But we did not calling or invent the term. [TS]

  When you when you see it or hear it and it's becoming more and more common you do not need to contact us [TS]

  and say Hold on guys your word is spreading freebooting Yes I'll take that. You should take that with pride. [TS]

  I'll take it with pride. [TS]

  But we had nothing to do with humble brag and in fact if you go back [TS]

  and listen to an early episode you can even hear the moment when I'm talking about the sort of phenomena [TS]

  and he still was me. Oh it's called Humble bragging you know there's a whole web site about it. [TS]

  We did not the reason I feel compelled to do this is not just the tweets [TS]

  and the my house the other day I got a text message from my wife saying all excited saying Did you invent humble [TS]

  breaking I just heard on the radio. [TS]

  She doesn't listen to the podcast and she knows that you say you to listen to the podcast [TS]

  but that to me is just there could not be more proof that your wife has never listened to a single episode because the [TS]

  bag is banal and I multiple times didn't like it but she. [TS]

  She does know this some words that I carry on about sometimes that you know is been spreading which is very very tame [TS]

  and mixed up and head on the radio and sort of tried to be supportive and encouraging and proud of me [TS]

  and I had to say no I'm not going to do with love it's the break humble catches on then it's May then it's me. [TS]

  But what was that again I don't even remember what that was there was some terrible idea. Nah it was good. [TS]

  That's when you meant with the truth placed on the faces when you brag to increase the humiliation. [TS]

  Yeah I don't think celebrating I think that's going anywhere. [TS]

  The early days I literally days left to think like a suit [TS]

  and I know if I was saying correctly an upset people Lang yap yap whatever it is I don't think that's holding out hope [TS]

  for that one. I know you are I know you but not like a new way. [TS]

  New use kind of way [TS]

  but just didn't you know giving it a you know an injection increasing its popularity because I think my use of it is [TS]

  completely normal and fun. [TS]

  I don't even think of it that I feel like people like you must be how languages split apart over time. [TS]

  But there are there are there are people who are just insistent on creating new words and new ways to say things [TS]

  and [TS]

  when we used to have much greater geographical separation from each other it's people like you that that would cause languages [TS]

  to shift and become in comprehensible to each other over hundreds of years. [TS]

  I don't know if you're trying to insult me there but I'm taking it usually as a complement. [TS]

  I think it's just I think it's just the thing I think people like you are the reason that that language is split sort [TS]

  of creative people. [TS]

  Yeah I almost almost as though if if if we had enough time on the pod cast if there was an infinite amount of time [TS]

  stretching before us at the end of that infinity of time you would just be speaking and into. [TS]

  Fire language constructed of your own words. [TS]

  Great give me another twenty episodes and that's all I say all right we'll put that on the calendar. [TS]

  Next on follow up here there was a really cool link I haven't looked into in much detail [TS]

  but someone tweeted it to us and I had to say G.P. Go written all over humans versus robots. [TS]

  Let's call this thing up with all this up. [TS]

  This is some kind of little web application where you can enter your job via a series of drop down menus [TS]

  and then it tells you the percentage likelihood that your job will be replaced by robots yes. Have you done it yet. [TS]

  And what did you quit your job. [TS]

  Is there anything what is the closest thing we could get to You Tube [TS]

  or here I couldn't find one I ended up putting in photography. I thought that was the closest to my job. [TS]

  Too bad for you but we have art to design entertainment sports and media and the overall category. [TS]

  Yeah I'm tired than referees that's probably me. Why does radio announcers have a smiley face after it. [TS]

  Oh right because and here they are right now of course [TS]

  and it isn't a right it is an author is I mean it's a multimedia artists and animators. [TS]

  That's process that might be made to action try that one I think that old is probably closest to you Will I like that [TS]

  one point five percent chance of mating automated. Yes So this is this Web site. [TS]

  If you try to find whatever is your job it tries to give you an estimate of the chance of it being automated. [TS]

  However I came across this a little while ago and I thought oh this looks really interesting [TS]

  and then I started playing around with it and then I thought wait this seems seems like a pile of nonsense. [TS]

  This Web site because I was trying to trying to figure out OK how are they how are they coming up with these numbers [TS]

  and if you look on the bottom they have a bunch of little axes on which they're trying to measure the jobs you know. [TS]

  Does your job need to come up with clever solutions are you required to personally help others. [TS]

  Does your job require negotiate negotiation [TS]

  and then strange what does your job require you to squeeze into small spaces and it's an interesting one. [TS]

  Breaking down the jobs by those axes plus some others and saying OK was that was the probability five nation [TS]

  but if you start looking around at some of the jobs they have what I think are just dumb results result that don't make [TS]

  any sense of course I went to go see. Under education training and library What did they say for high school teachers. [TS]

  Actually we should say what if it weren't for newspaper reporters. Let's do that first. [TS]

  Where would newspaper reporters be that would be [TS]

  and a media term with nothing is a media do they have a technical writer is that do you not really. [TS]

  Now you're more likely more likely to maybe writers and authors but even then that doesn't really work. [TS]

  They don't have anything else like it. I guess that's because the job is already just on the way out. [TS]

  Nobody did and are writers. Yeah there's nothing here that's even remotely close to a newspaper man. [TS]

  Oh additives maybe editors. [TS]

  OK whatever editors let's just do that one five point five percent OK seems good that we go over to education [TS]

  and then you select high school teachers. [TS]

  This web site gives it eight point eight percent chance of being automated which I would agree with because I mean a [TS]

  big part of the job is just basically taking care of a roomful of children which is hard to automate putting all the [TS]

  education that supposed to be happening outside. [TS]

  You still need an adult in a room full of children like that's that's hard to automate that factor. [TS]

  If you jump from high school teachers down to middle school teachers which in my perspective is basically the same job [TS]

  because I mean is this Web site is geared for America but in the U.K. [TS]

  I mean the whole education system is different [TS]

  but I've basically taught middle school kids through to high school kids it's like combined in the U.K. [TS]

  This Web site suddenly jumps and says oh middle school teacher. [TS]

  I have a seventeen point four percent chance of being automated. [TS]

  Like what on earth is causing this difference I don't think this is even remotely valid like that that to me just says [TS]

  whatever whatever axes you're using here it's like oh some researchers got together [TS]

  and they just arbitrarily scored some jobs on some axes and then made the whole thing [TS]

  but I don't think it's very informative. [TS]

  What do you think what do you think I would look up I think I've talked about on the podcast before. [TS]

  Can you guess if you look at some sports thing like cricket cricket years have you looked at cricket for years go away. [TS]

  No nothing could replace cricket is that gods. [TS]

  Oh well I think it has a good food is hard to replace a God I'll give you a clue. [TS]

  Give me a call what's what's a regular segment on hello internet. Oh you want to look up airplane pilots. [TS]

  Yeah well they have airplane pilot you guess first you guess [TS]

  and they don't tell you don't you just want to yeah yeah I'm going to guess at something like over ninety seven percent [TS]

  fifty four point six percent. [TS]

  Jeff it is I don't think I don't I'm not going along with this website that's pretty hostile. [TS]

  I can't wait to send that to my pilot my I've been telling him for years that he's going to get replaced. [TS]

  How does he react to that. [TS]

  He thinks has no chance [TS]

  and I tell him it's almost a fake I'm playing again what we talked about this before it's longer than the cars [TS]

  but it is it is inevitable in some of these are so dumb I'm just kind of randomly jumping around here. [TS]

  Personal chefs thirty point five percent chance of being automated I mean I guess that depends on what you're kind of [TS]

  talking about if I can three D. Printing my food that's not quite the same as a personal chef. [TS]

  He doesn't even have any idea what they are currently the joy of that is least likely to be replaced by robots is [TS]

  mental health and substance abuse social workers kids and the one most likely to be replaced [TS]

  and is already being replaced is tele marketer that's not that's not surprising followed by podcast. [TS]

  Nobody asked their podcast is zero percent chance they reply. So go irreplaceable irreplaceable. [TS]

  Well speaking I guess if we're speaking of protests then there was the time to talk about your your new fling. [TS]

  Oh yes yes I did just yesterday put out a new podcast I'm doing like a ten episode series with Mike Hurley relayed a [TS]

  fan called cortex might just want to interview me about some of the ways that I work some of the nerd details about how [TS]

  I work so if you want to hear more of me on podcasts you can go to relay dot F.M. [TS]

  Slash cortex and give it a listen to it [TS]

  and for all the people who've been contacting me asking how I feel about being like a spent wife can I can I just say [TS]

  I'm currently open to offers [TS]

  and if anyone wants to talk to me for negotiations I mean I'm very receptive at the moment. I did send you flying. [TS]

  You did send me for. Yeah actually you can send me. [TS]

  You did send me and that was I did and you know what they say when someone starts [TS]

  and then if that was that's the first son have been up to funny business behind your back. [TS]

  Is that what they say is that the that the advice apparently say if you stop sending me a whole lot of marriage if I [TS]

  was I'm going to know that you've been slagging me up on the other protest would you have told me not to listen to. [TS]

  Which makes me which makes me even more suspicious. [TS]

  I don't know if it'll be good for you to listen to me another pod cast I think you have to listen to me enough. [TS]

  It's like you want to listen to me more. [TS]

  I have told you in private though that I have I am surprised that you have not started your own interview podcast. [TS]

  I always thought that was inevitable like once we started doing this thing and we kept it going. [TS]

  I've been just waiting for the day that you sent me an email telling me that you are starting your own pod cast [TS]

  or you're going to go interview some other people with all the spare time I have. [TS]

  Maybe we'll say I want to listen to the podcast. It's seems to me like we're going to have we're going to have. [TS]

  Airplane pilots getting automated that's inevitable [TS]

  and I feel like a Brady interview podcasters is inevitable for now I've got you. That's all I need. [TS]

  Let me send you a flower. Thank you. [TS]

  But for those who want even more gray in their life go check out cortex and hear hear all about it. [TS]

  And now that we've indulge me but it's not plane crash caught one of this wake. It's only crash corner. [TS]

  No it doesn't want to say oh it's a plane crash. See that very filling in the corner. [TS]

  That's right because this week we have a new segment. Code plane crash. Well now it's not even crash. [TS]

  It's just called plane compensation because guess what the sounds boring What is this. It is it is unbelievably boring. [TS]

  I really regret it. [TS]

  But I promise to indulge you remember the remember the podcast a while back where I talked about being stranded on the [TS]

  runway for Alison and I missed my connection a mismatch potty and all that in a Strat. [TS]

  Yeah I remember that well after that happened I thought I must be in town of the compensation [TS]

  and I went to these Web sites and it said send this pro-forma letter and stuff so I just copied the letter [TS]

  and I don't normally do this kind of thing but I was so fired up with I'm going to try. [TS]

  So I said I filled out the letter I sent it off to the airline and then completely forgot. [TS]

  I've done it because I like cool down and you know I didn't hear any more. [TS]

  And just the other day so it must be months later I got this e-mail from the airline saying you are indeed entitled to [TS]

  compensation for this form. [TS]

  Give us your bank to send us a scan of your passport and we'll send you some money [TS]

  and have they want to know because I just did this like a day or two ago. [TS]

  If you don't have the money yet I don't have the money yet [TS]

  but that that just gives me a whole nother reason to bring this up on a future protest [TS]

  but I still think that's progress. I think this is interesting that could be something in this. [TS]

  It could be something in this [TS]

  but I mean I hope for your sake that you just get compensation for having to sit on the runway for forever [TS]

  but I can only imagine that this is the start of some kind of long multi-year Brazil like process of of forms [TS]

  and offices and signatures and notaries and all kinds of things that the next step is. Thanks for your bank details. [TS]

  You no need to send us your passport and driver's license so we can verify your identity [TS]

  and yes make sure that you were the person on the plane [TS]

  and they know you know you have to go to the this office to collect the check in person. [TS]

  In the basement you know passed the door marked be aware of Tiger in Nigeria this is I can only assume that this is [TS]

  this is where this is going. [TS]

  I hope for your sake they just send you some money but I wouldn't I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. [TS]

  Now I'm expecting a big wad of cash. Some point it's going to be OK. [TS]

  That's either going to send cash [TS]

  and yet over go pass a brown paper bag just overflowing with money here you go say we're terribly sorry. [TS]

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  and better and if I take the word plane out I think it will be completely boring condemnation corner. [TS]

  That's the next corporate compensation going to avoid. That's good that's what I'm aiming for. [TS]

  Yeah we can we can ask people for their tales of corporate compensation in the red it will be very exciting. [TS]

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  I want to briefly bring up the the death of John Nash who super super famous mathematician won the Nobel Prize in [TS]

  economics. A lot of really impressive mathematics as well. [TS]

  Hey He recently won the Belo I think I say able [TS]

  but I think people who know the top Mathematical the prize which is kind of like the Nobel Prize of mathematics [TS]

  and it was I was actually coming back from winning that prize he was on his way back from the airport in New Jersey [TS]

  with his with his wife and they very unfortunately were killed in a crash the taxi they were in crashed [TS]

  and it was it was interesting because apparently they were not wearing seat belts [TS]

  and there seems to be a very heavy suggestion that perhaps this is this was this is why they died. [TS]

  I don't know I don't know much about the crash but that's what people say. [TS]

  Did you know that did you know that this incident. Yeah I have. [TS]

  I had seen the news on Twitter probably that John nationals wife had been killed in a car accident I didn't realize it [TS]

  was back from the award ceremony which makes it kind of extra sad yes it does definitely [TS]

  and I was aware of this the end for those of you who don't know who John Nash is he was the one to trade by Russell [TS]

  Crowe in A Beautiful Mind which is one of the people may have heard of him even if they are not math enthusiastic The [TS]

  first thing I want to very quickly I ask is do you always wear seatbelts in Texas. [TS]

  Because I know I sometimes don't you know you don't really want to. [TS]

  It's funny because that at some point I know I grew up and I just didn't [TS]

  and then it's at some stage of being an adult I remember realizing what the hell am I doing. [TS]

  Well why why do I think that sitting in the back of a taxi doesn't require a seat belt to be buckled. [TS]

  I don't know what I don't like I can't remember when this occurred [TS]

  but I do remember having that thought at some point [TS]

  and realizing like what the hell brain you know just because it's like a car that you're going to get out of quickly [TS]

  doesn't change the requirement to wear a seatbelt. [TS]

  It's kind of like buses [TS]

  and seat belts like oh you know we don't need seatbelts on buses it's fine you're safe because it's a bus like Wouldn't [TS]

  it be safer with the seat belt. I think it would be the lot of us who don't even have seat belts. [TS]

  Yeah you wear the seat belt. [TS]

  Well like I said I quite often don't in kind of you know the black cabs in London because it just doesn't feel like a [TS]

  place that you have but I do if it's like a normal car. [TS]

  But I should ALL the time as I said I was talking to a taxi driver actually a couple of days ago. [TS]

  Well I was actually talking to my mate next to me about John Nash and we're talking about state outs [TS]

  and he was eavesdropping So he started talking to us about seat belts in Texas than actually a driver with these [TS]

  droppings I was using. He was yes. OK and taxi drivers apparently are not always required. To wear seat belts. [TS]

  The reason being they go past apparently is because if they get sometimes if they can get into dicey situations with [TS]

  like rowdy or drunk customers and [TS]

  or you know situations can arise where wearing a seatbelt is not necessarily what the taxi driver wants. [TS]

  So they probably should and I certainly would. But if they're not wearing one. [TS]

  In some circumstances that is announced at least where I was. [TS]

  I can't speak for every municipality government or council county city in the world. [TS]

  If I can't I can't imagine this and I have to look at you but can you not imagine architects drivers wearing Saito [TS]

  and that somehow some some criminal person next to them like could use the fact that wearing a seatbelt to pin the [TS]

  minnow to do something to them and I think I can easily see why that would be a row. [TS]

  This this just feels like a thing of probabilities that it's it's easy to imagine scenarios under which the driver's [TS]

  seat belt might be a hindrance because of a passenger problem. [TS]

  Yeah right and it's less easy to think about all of the time that they're driving on the road. [TS]

  Surely that's the greater danger. [TS]

  Like the probability I think I think basically maybe if if this road does exist anywhere it's just saying make a taxi [TS]

  drivers. You decide you decide which risk you want I mean I have it up here that it's on the U.K. That in the U.K. [TS]

  Laces taxi drivers is not required to wear a seatbelt and he's suggesting the taxi driver was wrong. [TS]

  I'm agreeing with you I'm saying that the taxi driver is not required to wear. Oh no sorry. [TS]

  Oh it does say that he's saying I was right. [TS]

  I'm saying that you are right the servant Shook never the right before I just I just assumed you were going to tell me [TS]

  I was room when your brain inserted the other thing. [TS]

  I know I owe them that I have a government web page that agrees with you here saying on that I'd like drivers not all [TS]

  fourth of June two thousand and fifteen. [TS]

  This is happened as I was once before [TS]

  and I was right I think I would love to have introduced that I think it should be a video. [TS]

  There should be a video if you know you can have that you can have a few video. [TS]

  I'm so I was I'm still just baffled by this and it also looks like on this website. [TS]

  Seatbelts the law that another Siegal the outside my place. That's lovely. You've got us in this gorgeous seagulls. [TS]

  Thanks a lot seagulls I think I like that the cat that's gorgeous. This is so hot in this apartment. Tape it gray. [TS]

  Take the seagulls. OK Anyway back to seat belts the important thing. [TS]

  It says here that a driver who is reversing does not need to wear a seat belt. [TS]

  Seems like a very strange is the is the idea that maybe the seatbelt gets in your way when you're trying to reverse. [TS]

  I don't know that's that's very strange and it also there's also an exception for police fire [TS]

  and rescue services for seatbelts so can any exceptions I find it shocking and surprising. [TS]

  There was another thing about John Nash's death that I want to bring up because obviously running like a mathematics [TS]

  You Tube channel number thought there was sort of requests for a video so we could make some videos [TS]

  and I guess it was more my decision than anything but I like it [TS]

  but in talking with the people who were in my video we decided not to sort of talk about his death in the video [TS]

  and just make it about some of his mathematics and it was just you know this is John Nash he was like a big deal [TS]

  and this is what he did in his the mathematics behind and here's why mathematicians really respect him. [TS]

  And there are a few reasons but one of them was always kind of wanted the video to be timeless and in a year [TS]

  or two I was hoping people would watch this. [TS]

  When John Nash's death was in the news and wasn't of tremendous interest and I still want people to watch it [TS]

  and think OK That's who John Nash was and that's what his mathematics and I thought it would. [TS]

  I thought it was unnecessary but I also thought it would really take to the video in the long term [TS]

  and I don't always go down that path but this time I did [TS]

  and there are a lot of comments on the video a lot of people thought maybe I'd recorded it before he died [TS]

  or we didn't know he died or we were careless [TS]

  or not many people thought it would have been the down purpose even though the end of the video I did put John Nash [TS]

  and his year of birth [TS]

  and death as well as the one tiny nod to the fact that I'm aware he's dead beat people on the Internet they don't often [TS]

  assume competence but incompetence on your part. [TS]

  I was just wondering how I would have thought you would agree with my course of action that sounds like something you [TS]

  would do because you're a big one for a time the studios and. Yeah yeah I mean I want to be timely but timeless. [TS]

  Yeah I would completely agree with that. [TS]

  And I almost always feel like it's more respectful to not talk about his death. I definitely agree with that. [TS]

  I don't think the fact that you know he died coming back from getting his prize [TS]

  or he died in a you know unfortunate way is sort of should be used to define him in any way you know [TS]

  and it's not like I was doing a news report I was just making a video about his mathematics [TS]

  and I wanted that to take precedence. [TS]

  Yeah I mean if you think about everything that can cast your mind back to scientists [TS]

  or mathematicians whose names you can think of and whose work you know can you name how many of them died. [TS]

  Like I'm going to think like most have very few but I think I got to know how Isaac Newton died. [TS]

  It just was first one that comes to mind. And yeah I feel like that Albert Einstein die at his desk in Princeton. [TS]

  Hundred percent sure that's right but I don't know I think he died in bed because his last words were to his nurse [TS]

  and I think no one knows what they were because the nurse didn't speak German [TS]

  or something like that could be wrong about that. [TS]

  But yeah [TS]

  but yes I I would feel that the timelessness of the video aside it's still correct to leave out his death because you [TS]

  feel like you're trying to make a video that's explaining the interesting thing about this person's life [TS]

  and how they died even if it's sad. [TS]

  That's not that's not why this person is a notable person they are a notable person for the work that they have done [TS]

  and you are explaining in a way why someone should care that this person John Nash existed [TS]

  and so yeah I would definitely say it's the right decision to not talk about his death even if his death has just [TS]

  occurred and you are making the video precisely because of his death. [TS]

  I feel better now but you knew you know it [TS]

  and I know I know I just said that because I felt like I should say something to end the conversation. [TS]

  Podcasts are strange trying not to be awkward on a podcast is like that too. [TS]

  Like if we were talking at the pub [TS]

  and I just happened I probably would have just said something as well to sort of just respond to them in the most [TS]

  artists [TS]

  and they're looking at you call Mostly that's what we do have the additional problem that we can't see each other right [TS]

  now and that we're just constantly aware that other people are listening to us talk. So there is like a big problem. [TS]

  So we had on going there is your problem. Do you take photographs. [TS]

  I'm guessing you probably don't know maybe you've got a thousand photos of your picture [TS]

  when I was playing in the gardens or maybe one of you can see G.P. [TS]

  Grey posing or quickly by the Clifton Suspension Bridge [TS]

  or maybe that's one of you listening to the hello internet podcast while in hospital giving birth to a baby boy [TS]

  whatever. He has they shouldn't remain hidden away on your phone or on a memory stick or some files on your computer. [TS]

  Get them out there. Show the world and there's a great way to do it because fracture exists fracture let you go online. [TS]

  Load your picture and then have it literally printed on a piece of glass. [TS]

  Kind of like on the back of the glass front because I can get all scratched the back of this piece of glass [TS]

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  or something like that your favorite astronomy image may be the Andromeda galaxy or one of your favorite nebula. [TS]

  Their eyes really colorful and pretty and I think really great on the back of a piece of glass [TS]

  or have fled that mean something to you. [TS]

  The state leg of Maryland maybe depending on your House decor [TS]

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  or something like that which normally spends a few weeks on the fridge and then get so tatty [TS]

  and covered in coffee stains. [TS]

  I can think of loads of people who'd love that probably as a gift their favorite Kitty painting looking [TS]

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  Fraction Me dot com So I go and give it a go this is a great way to get some of your favorite images out there. [TS]

  Don't have them hidden away. [TS]

  Have me on display so I want to follow up something with you from the last show that I want to talk to you then [TS]

  but the conversation kind of got away from us. [TS]

  But you said a very interesting thing which was that you were turning up your health lightbulb lately. [TS]

  And I wanted to ask you about that. [TS]

  But before we even talk about what's going on there the thing that caught my attention was was [TS]

  when you mentioned this last time you prefaced it with a remark that was something to the effect of how you're not [TS]

  supposed to talk about your health in public or. [TS]

  Yeah what what what was that that that that struck me as a very interesting comment [TS]

  and I'm I'm kind of curious to hear some of what we were making. [TS]

  I don't remember where I read this or where I saw this but it did strike a chord with me [TS]

  and I had like it smacked of some truth and that is when you this is this whole thing where if you set goals [TS]

  or things you're going to do it can be counterproductive to tell people that you're going to do it because usually just [TS]

  the process of telling people you're going to do it gives you that kind of satisfaction. [TS]

  No drug release in your brain or whatever it is that makes you feel like you've done it. [TS]

  And sometimes just telling people you know what I'm going to lose weight and I've got this big plan [TS]

  and here's what I'm going to day. [TS]

  Sometimes telling that hearing people go really really good in giving you pats on the back [TS]

  and telling you how great you are and that that gives you the satisfaction you are looking for. [TS]

  And sometimes you work just follow through with it I don't know I don't know if it's true or not [TS]

  but it was quite a recent thing for me so you know you know I can remember all the times over the years I've said to my [TS]

  wife are going to get healthy and just whatever. [TS]

  Talk to me after you've done it so so so respect on time that was that I've now got it. She's a lot more of. [TS]

  Don't tell people what you can and just do it. [TS]

  But on the other hand telling people publicly you're going to do something can sometimes be quite good because then if [TS]

  you don't do a whole lot of other people no you didn't do it. So that's why kind of the idea of who say this is. [TS]

  Yeah I feel maybe bad about having drawn you out but it seems like you do kind of want to talk about this publicly. [TS]

  I am fine with it get along fine with it. Why me. Let me get my report. [TS]

  Because I've lost three point nine kilograms apparently I need to do my calculations. [TS]

  It was a likes seven pounds I think it's like seven or eight pounds. Yeah that sounds pretty good actually. [TS]

  Plus my little converter here. But it's getting to a point now that like if I do a Y. [TS]

  and You know I'm a hair of my body and from wearing absolutely nothing [TS]

  and next I'll be holding helium balloons of anything I can think of that I don't know what I can do that will help with [TS]

  what helium balloons increase your way to decrease it. [TS]

  It would decrease your weight other otherwise they wouldn't float. [TS]

  You can't you can't bring helium balloons under the scale. [TS]

  Brady that's just yeah I'm not sure but like if you've got if you've got a bucket they can and use [TS]

  and then you fill it up with lots and lots of helium I guess you have to put under pressure would. [TS]

  OK Here's the only question. Did you put enough helium in the cans that it floats. [TS]

  Who's going to get the answer is No then the hand will increase your weight. [TS]

  OK Well then I'm not ruling out I'm not really hear the ability. [TS]

  I used to think about this all the time when there's a little ritual [TS]

  when I was I was visiting my family home from college that my father was always excited to have me around because it [TS]

  was time for me to help bring a whole bunch of stuff to the dump and we have to load up the car [TS]

  and go to the local dump. [TS]

  And one of the things that always caught my attention I thought was interesting was they have. [TS]

  These big scales where the car has to has to weigh in on the on the way into the dump [TS]

  and then has to weigh on the way out and you basically had to pay by how much stuff you were dumping off at the dump. [TS]

  Yeah and I don't know if you cross my mind of how to cheat the system and I think like OK we can go to the dump [TS]

  but we can have the car just filled with helium balloons and so the car is going to weigh less on the way in [TS]

  and then we get in there. [TS]

  We you know we dump the actual materials [TS]

  and we release the whole of the helium balloon in the sky on the way back out [TS]

  and I wondering if this would be cost effective like how much are we paying for the material that we're dumping raises [TS]

  what is the cost of the helium balloons and never quite did that calculation [TS]

  but I was always on my mind every time we went there. [TS]

  I like I like thinking yeah how to how to cheat the municipal system I was just a story [TS]

  when I was at the baby say about a guy who was really really really base doesn't really not support [TS]

  and he was like he wanted to do it because he wanted to raise a lot of awareness about you know health problems [TS]

  and he was telling me the only way he could weigh himself was to go to the local dump like that [TS]

  and go on the on the scale that was used by the cars [TS]

  and was the only scale he could use to weigh myself so that well at them [TS]

  and I thought the main thing that struck me was gosh it must be like embarrassing. [TS]

  Yeah I think I'd be pretty embarrassing. [TS]

  He was such a man he was he was a brilliant man is really good what he was trying to you know the awareness he was [TS]

  trying to raise but he was also a very big man. You're not using the dump scale for yourself. [TS]

  I'm using I'm using normal ones [TS]

  and I'm fighting the urge to weigh myself too often because if you if you do it too often like you get that you know [TS]

  you get all the fluctuations but if you wait every week [TS]

  or so because I have I have done this before quite successfully [TS]

  and I found if you don't want to wait that's much more encouraging than during every day [TS]

  when you start saying that a lapse and downs and thinking you're a failure. So here's a question then bury your way. [TS]

  Your self every every week you saying oh I'm thinking I might weigh myself on podcast recording day. [TS]

  Well this is where I was going with. [TS]

  I don't turn this into like one of those like hell and I'm not going to spend every show talking about health stuff [TS]

  but they will say the reason why I was asking is that if you will agree to do the weigh in on the pod cast I will also [TS]

  do weigh ins on the pod cast because I also need to lose some weight [TS]

  and I think this is a thing that we can do together Brady in front of maybe like a hundred thousand people so there's [TS]

  no pressure as I said I lost three point one percent three point nine kilograms of people in one kilograms that's [TS]

  actually since the last podcast recording you want you want to start there. [TS]

  You want to get a week ahead of me on the I'm going to speed it up [TS]

  but you will play it like you don't understand sport. I do understand sport Tell me Tell me about your sport. [TS]

  All I was going to say I would do it [TS]

  and sort of doing it like as an overall you know who loses the most over a fixed period of time who just H two weeks [TS]

  who lost the most that weight and if you lost the most that week you get a point and then [TS]

  and then it's like the next week you can win a point again so it's like in golf like more like match play rather than [TS]

  straight play on the night of the thing you say is it going to get to a point where like like we stop so if not before [TS]

  the podcast and it could affect our podcast performance it could be like this could be detrimental. [TS]

  It could be like gosh writing grand entrance just sounded terrible and the whole cast [TS]

  and I just like that because I didn't eat for two days before the product because they wanted to sleep. [TS]

  That that will that will not be my plan. [TS]

  That one up in my plan I think I will be I will be changing my my diet [TS]

  but not necessarily restricting my diet I think would be would be my plan. [TS]

  See I got more the other way more and more restrictive. And not change it with everything that we do. [TS]

  It's not it's not the same but so like I get I don't want to push you [TS]

  but I you're you're in on this you have to do that [TS]

  and the next part I will tell you how much of last since this contest [TS]

  and you do the same as long as we do it in kilograms people can convert the numbers. [TS]

  People get rid of them and I but I can't say you're going to tell me. Kilograms. Oh that reminds me of a story. [TS]

  Oh Mariah every time. This is a good this was this was a really good fan interaction. [TS]

  It's like your dream fan interaction. [TS]

  My wife ran a ten kilometer race in Bristol at the weekend and I went along to watch [TS]

  and eating a bacon sandwich that did not feel healthy while she was running and so he would chop and it is she runs by. [TS]

  So I was like I think I did bump into one like you know if you a slash listen before the race and hello and [TS]

  and I was I was fine but then during the race I was still there were like fifteen thousand people [TS]

  or something running in this race [TS]

  and I was sort of standing at the side of the road biting for my wife to come by like near the finish line [TS]

  and I was just a stream of people that was just like thousands and thousands of people running past in the thousands [TS]

  and thousands of people lining the side so it was just like faces everywhere [TS]

  and as all these people were running past me [TS]

  and I was kind of waiting for my wife I was actually using the tracking app to see where she was which you'd appreciate [TS]

  the fine my friends thing. [TS]

  Yeah I like the one on your on your i Phone I knew I knew she was coming soon [TS]

  and suddenly this this this voice says Brady and I couldn't figure out what was coming from [TS]

  and suddenly I realized it was a guy who was not running past me. [TS]

  Brady and I sort of looked at him and he goes on a big bend and they just kept running he never said so [TS]

  and I don't know how he spotted me because I was just a face in this huge crowd and he was just running along [TS]

  and he's obviously And normally when people spot you and you're like not particularly well known. [TS]

  Just obscure person who is who have I seen that person before [TS]

  and normally it takes someone like five minutes to say yeah that's that's who it is. [TS]

  But he obviously picked me out in a crowd to sort of that's who I was. [TS]

  Code said he was a fan and went past all of his old in the space of five seconds the guy was a genius. [TS]

  And like I was so taken aback that I just sort of stood there and went. [TS]

  Thanks for that after he came after he'd gone [TS]

  and it was like it was over so quickly I do think that's Grace kind of fan interaction like there was no chance for [TS]

  quickness because the guys had to get running but it was like it was a hundred meters from the finish line [TS]

  and there were no nothing and so whoever you were. Thanks. Thanks for watching. [TS]

  He was a legend that guy really enjoyed it pretty funny I have to say I did like I did like I did like it. [TS]

  I was humbled again by and I'm going to say I'm humbled by things from now that this is going to be your thing. [TS]

  So next podcast we will compare losses from this day to the next liners or games. Potentially yes or games or games. [TS]

  I feel like I need a high five you over the Internet to get the started [TS]

  but we can't do this it seems really it seems a bit like naff like a pit you know. [TS]

  Now come on man like we're in this together. We're in this together. OK I five. There we go. Now that's even more now. [TS]

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  I bought the book without telling you where and because it meant so much to us decided I wanted to try and raid. [TS]

  And I told you. [TS]

  We're going to raid and then we kind of co-designer poulet said as homework said it will be discussed on the pod cast. [TS]

  Other people can can join in it later if you haven't finished getting things done or you haven't started. [TS]

  I guess that time in the podcast where we hear from people who pause it go out read a whole book and then come back [TS]

  and then unplug the podcast this is you know I can I can I just say Can I just say I don't pause yet just wait a bit [TS]

  longer before you decide whether or not to pause because here we go. Brady has not done his homework. [TS]

  I thought you did do your homework. I've got something to say about it. OK OK what's going on here. [TS]

  Well I put the book in paper printed form as proof not this counts as proof but there it is. [TS]

  Oh I'm totally convinced now. [TS]

  I have got the book and I've also tweeted pictures [TS]

  and we can discuss how the printed version was probably better than getting the audiobook inviolable dot com element to [TS]

  that. [TS]

  And so [TS]

  but it very quickly became apparent to me that my only chance to read this book before deadline was going to be getting [TS]

  the audiobook because I'm doing as a stunt I'm doing a bit of running. [TS]

  I want the dogs I'm doing a lot of driving at the moment so I figured the only time I was going to get to get this done [TS]

  was was during these times. So I downloaded the audiobook. [TS]

  I started listening to it and I read a little bit a little bit but then I started listening to the audiobook [TS]

  and I think I've probably listened to an hour to an hour and a half of it and I have stopped with no plan to regime. [TS]

  But here's the part where you will be proud of me. I'm laughing because just before we started recording this part. [TS]

  Last I was having dinner with my wife [TS]

  and I made some predictions about what might happen in the Getting Things Done section [TS]

  and so far I'm actually kind of on track. [TS]

  I think they come pretty well my predictions OK But tell me tell me what what what am I going to be proud. [TS]

  Did you predict that I would have pages of notes for you. I would not have predicted that. [TS]

  Well your prediction is about to go right because I went down today and I wrote down loads [TS]

  and loads of things about why I would not be doing my homework. [TS]

  One of the one of my thoughts is that you would find this book deadly boring. Is that correct. [TS]

  I think you are under state in the case. Would have been welcome. [TS]

  Can I just say before I before I get stuck in that I am aware that this book means a lot to you and [TS]

  and everyone likes different things and I respect that you like and what it's done for you [TS]

  and also you know I went into this with some prejudices which were enhanced as I was reading it. [TS]

  And also I just really don't like homework [TS]

  and I know like everyone says they don't like homework at school the never did homework at school [TS]

  but you can understand how much I didn't like homework and how much I avoided doing it. [TS]

  And the thing that makes me happy just about the fact that I am no longer at school [TS]

  or university is that I don't have to do homework. I don't have to do things in my spare time. [TS]

  I don't like rice and so it's really really hard for me to devote that much time to something I don't like. [TS]

  So that's the benefit of being an adult you get to make decisions about your own time is wonderful thing [TS]

  and I don't let me get my nights out. [TS]

  Because I think I don't know how you feel about this but I feel like we should do with my side of things. [TS]

  I am fascinated to talk to you [TS]

  and I want to I want to clear something before you say anything anything further down this is [TS]

  and this is the part where I have a hard time now remembering what we've said to each other in private [TS]

  and what we said on pod cast. So I try to summarize it. [TS]

  But I know that at some point maybe in the podcast maybe in person we had a we had a little bit of a misunderstanding [TS]

  because I made some remark about how like oh this book won't help you. [TS]

  Or I said something along those lines [TS]

  and I think you took that in exactly the opposite way that I kind of I meant it because as we've discussed I actually [TS]

  like you get more stuff done than I do. You work more than I do and I think you are more productive than I am. [TS]

  Like if we compared our days. [TS]

  And so when [TS]

  when I made this remark about how like oh this book won't help you I was actually kind of coming at it from the from [TS]

  the opposite perspective. [TS]

  Like this is a book for I guess you know like twelve years ago me who was just totally useless at everything [TS]

  and I don't I didn't necessarily think that for someone like you who is already working a lot and is very productive [TS]

  and is [TS]

  and is in control of their own life I didn't think that there would be a lot in this book for you so that is the way [TS]

  that is the way that I meant it like oh you know that that was kind of perspective that I was I was coming from. [TS]

  I have to say I was never insulted by you saying that. [TS]

  I mean I took a little bit more along the lines of that because I would not describe myself as someone who's totally in [TS]

  control of my. I don't I totally I'm going to have so. [TS]

  I took it more like you know Brady's a little bit disorganized he will always be that way. [TS]

  And and no books going to whip him into shape [TS]

  and I did not take that as an insult to him as actually a stone cold truth. But I said it was not so. [TS]

  So you don't feel like you know. You're upset me anyway. [TS]

  No that's not what I meant [TS]

  but what I just mean is it's like OK it's like there are some people who are more naturally productive than others [TS]

  and I am I am very far on one end of that spectrum [TS]

  and I think you are much further along on the other end of that spectrum and so a book like this is very different. [TS]

  Like people on opposite ends of the spectrum have different problems they're trying to solve AI you sort of saying that [TS]

  you feel like this book is maybe like you know a get healthy diet book [TS]

  and it would be pointless for like a professional athlete to read because they're already healthy. [TS]

  Or do you mean in that context or. [TS]

  Yeah yeah yeah I think that that kind of is the case of like if you're taking someone who is incredibly unhealthy they [TS]

  need different advice than someone who is already fit and trying to get fit [TS]

  or may be OK And that's that's one way to look at it. [TS]

  Well you make me feel a bit bad now because I'm about to get stuck into this book [TS]

  but you should know you should feel good and let me tell you let me take you let me take you through the book. [TS]

  Please you know let me take you through my opinions on the book [TS]

  and these are open a stone having not finished so I know this is a bit like reviewing a movie [TS]

  and you can stay to the end [TS]

  and it should be taken with that massive grain of salt if you happen to know what chapter you just curious. No I don't. [TS]

  OK And so this is this is basically just me going through a bunch of prejudices and fleeting impressions [TS]

  and I'll try and get through it reasonably quickly. I don't take it personally if you like the book. [TS]

  Don't rush don't write i am i can't wait I can't wait to hear this. I'm so I'm so excited. [TS]

  Every where this book is massively successful and I have not written a massively successful book [TS]

  or come up with a massively successful plan for people to organize their lives so this guy is already ahead of me on [TS]

  the curve. [TS]

  Well if that's not a criticism works I haven't made any movies but I can still say that a movie sucks let's go now. [TS]

  Let me start with you real first impressions here. [TS]

  This is this is based almost on the cover of the book and here in here in here and other people talk about it. [TS]

  You're so excited I don't know whether you're going to get more excited by this [TS]

  or suddenly feel like your world crumbles down [TS]

  but anyway that's my first impression about this whole getting things done thing was that it was kind of almost a bit [TS]

  cult like because you hear this thing about you know the G.T.D. [TS]

  System and people have got like the little abbreviation for and a hashtag for a and you get the book [TS]

  and it's got all these quotes all over [TS]

  and it's got the sort of the smiley picture of the of your of your leader with his glowing white teeth like like like [TS]

  he's coming down with the tablets from on high it's like over the Couldn't he's so he's so handsome [TS]

  and smart looking and he's going to have all the answers for us. [TS]

  So it's a bit like I don't know like I said cult like [TS]

  and even on the back of the book this is a quote from the back of the book it says an entire culture of personal [TS]

  organization that offers to change the way people work and live. [TS]

  If someone came up to me on the straight with a clipboard [TS]

  and said Can I talk to you about an entire culture of personal organization that offers to change the way that you work [TS]

  and live I would probably think they're a Scientologist right. Or from some weird organization. [TS]

  So this this was the first impression I had. [TS]

  And then [TS]

  when I started reading it a few things sort of started adding to that a few little terms hang on I mean it in the [TS]

  pocket because I've been scribbling notes in the book. Yeah. [TS]

  I talked about things like being engaged in the moment and things like that [TS]

  and I'm moving in gosh one of the covers open for here. You know the first chapter a new practice for a new reality. [TS]

  That sounds like almost religious doesn't it. [TS]

  Anyway that was my first impression that impression subsided a little bit but not a whole lot. [TS]

  But anyway let's move on to my next. [TS]

  The next thing that I started feeling very strongly was that reminds me a lot of the run of the of fad diets like you [TS]

  know how everyone you know how you had things like I remember like I think it was in the eighty's maybe there was the [TS]

  Pritikin my mom got really into the pretty can die and put us all onto a nice I think his name was Nathan predicament. [TS]

  But that's just me going by memory. [TS]

  I didn't check but you know there was the guru who come up with this darn it was the answer to all your problems [TS]

  and if you ate this and ate that and change everything this will fix your life. [TS]

  And we had the Atkins plan more recently didn't we you know this he's this guy code. [TS]

  I think that comes a guy I don't even think it was a person yes. Yeah I don't it was a man or a woman. [TS]

  I'm probably a machine it's a man actually and if anyone were ever going to put down money on cult leaders [TS]

  and their gender I think since leaving there we had the Atkins diet and you've got your five two diets going around [TS]

  and this just seems like another one even to the point where it's called You know the G T D. [TS]

  No Again again this for someone like me this results in the putting up of a lot of walls because I'm not someone who [TS]

  buys into this stuff very easily and you know mine to be a lot of you know [TS]

  when everyone was saying you have to read Men Are From Mars Women Are From Venus this is you know this is a book that's [TS]

  going to change your life and so does everyone says this is the book that's going to change your life. I'm alive. [TS]

  I'm resistant to one man [TS]

  or woman coming down from Mount Sinai with the tablets telling me this is what's going to fix your life [TS]

  and then this is what this. [TS]

  It was like you know this is just one person this is just one person's opinion [TS]

  and yeah he's come up with something that works maybe for him and a few other people [TS]

  but anyway that was my second impression. The book itself and you touched on this already very very boring. [TS]

  The word I would use to describe it is cut in juicing corporate politics. [TS]

  These are some terms like I just this took me ten seconds to go through the book [TS]

  and find these terms these are these are all from the book involve ourselves optimally integrated life management [TS]

  system implementing standard togas and procedures for capturing ideas an input hierarchical outline with components [TS]

  and subcomponents purpose and principles furnish the impetus like Who talks like this. He this is not how. [TS]

  And actually funnily enough you talk like that sometimes but I certainly don't and I really really turned me off [TS]

  and I remember when I was listening to. It's worse when you're listening to an audiobook and I know that's my fault. [TS]

  Yeah I can imagine it's a way worth it. [TS]

  It's like I say it's just like I cannot listen I cannot my brain is turning into bubble gum still [TS]

  and I'm like it's like no matter how hot or not straining to pay attention I don't want to pay attention. [TS]

  You're just talking about in such a cheap boring corporate terms and I think that's [TS]

  and that's a product of who is you know I get the impression he's some consultant he spends so he used to spend most of [TS]

  his time fleecing C.E.O.'s for huge amounts of money with this you know this plan [TS]

  and obviously very successful except we say it works for some people but some may it's like stop make it stop. [TS]

  And in the end I just had to just stop. [TS]

  Like I said I mean I felt like you could take all the sentences in this book and. [TS]

  Throw them up in the air and let them land randomly. And the PA could read exactly the same to me. [TS]

  It would seem like the same book. That's that's honestly what it was like if I was going to make a T.V. [TS]

  Show like a sketch comedy about some corporate away day where some guy comes and talks to people. [TS]

  It would look like this guy and all of these terms I would use in my script. [TS]

  This could be a script for my sketch comedy show. Felt like at times it was just way way too boring. [TS]

  I'm sorry now I know it's important to be organized and Lord knows I could be more organized [TS]

  but I just I just don't think I am the personality type who's going to be willing to take it from a book [TS]

  and from some other person's plants and I don't think it is necessary to take it from a book or someone else's plan. [TS]

  You know and I accept some people maybe some people are bigger than me and they have the open mind and this [TS]

  and a man a woman enough to say you know what someone else needs to do this for me someone else needs to find the life [TS]

  of me but for May it go. [TS]

  It goes against everything I'm about as also goes against why I feel like I became a self employed person you know I [TS]

  spent all my life in newspapers [TS]

  and television doing having a wonderful job with more freedom than most people could possibly wish for [TS]

  and still I felt dictated to by demands and deadlines and lists and all these artificially imposed structures [TS]

  and I really value freedom and I fell and I know he says this is this is all about creating more freedom for you [TS]

  but that's just that's just a line. [TS]

  I don't I don't want more constraints and lists and an idea [TS]

  and I don't want some corporate consultant to be the person who changes my life you know I have I only get one life [TS]

  and I will and I want to do it my way. I don't want to leave David Allen's life. [TS]

  Now one of this milestone of my life and you know that summarizes my main thoughts about this book [TS]

  but I have also made some notes here but maybe maybe I'll save I have made some notes about why I think C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray likes this book I don't know if you want to hear that or you want to talk I am loving this. [TS]

  I love it when you're angry. This is great that you know what I'm not even the least bit angry. [TS]

  I like I like I find this quite conservative and you know I know a lot of people are going to have read this book [TS]

  and really like it [TS]

  and I think a lot of our listeners particularly our more vocal listeners are going to be the sort of people who do like [TS]

  this book and I totally respect that. Let me talk to tell you why I think you like it. [TS]

  OK I want to get is why do you think I like and I were actually excited just very quickly did you read that [TS]

  or are you listening to the new version of the old version I was listening I believe to the old version [TS]

  and I was reading the new version or whatever. Ok what to say if you spoke I don't know if you like this word. [TS]

  Don't take offensively because I don't mean it in the offensive way but and also I can't pronounce it [TS]

  but I think it's but I think that much like I can't pronounce plu reality because you haven't noticed [TS]

  but what I think I might have been by accident. [TS]

  Now I think I think you fetish eyes organizational systems and work methods. [TS]

  I think you get really obsessed with them and you really really love them [TS]

  and I think no matter what you get I mean you happen to have a job now where you're very you very successful [TS]

  when there are a lot of demands on your time and you get out of a mouse [TS]

  but I think no matter what you did no matter what job you do even if you work in a toothpaste factory [TS]

  and your job was just putting the lids on the tooth paste as it came down the conveyor belt you would be into this kind [TS]

  of thing and want to have systems in lists and ways to do it and optimize it because it's just. [TS]

  It's just what you have just who you are and and there's actually nothing wrong with that I say [TS]

  but I think kind of the journey in the organization is brings you as much pleasure [TS]

  and satisfaction at some level than the outcomes [TS]

  and I can that's completely fine much like there are car enthusiasts who just feel like going for a drive because they [TS]

  like they get pleasure from automobiles [TS]

  and it doesn't matter where they're driving they might just drive around the block or drive around the countryside [TS]

  and come home and I don't care where they went they got pleasure from the car [TS]

  and from the ride him I think your brain derives pleasure from these kind of systems. [TS]

  And [TS]

  and this is again like I'm I'm the same on the same two with different things like for example I love watching a base [TS]

  game of baseball because it gives me pleasure and I usually watch them days after the game [TS]

  and I will avoid scores in the outcome although that's really what it's all about because I want to watch the game. [TS]

  So there's nothing wrong with valuing the experience over the outcomes. [TS]

  Now you can tell me afterwards if you think I'm right or wrong. [TS]

  But first of all let me give you three pieces of evidence that I'm right. [TS]

  OK OK Number one every talked about earlier you start of a whole new podcast about or your systems [TS]

  and the way you work even though we talk about your work all the time here that's just not enough. [TS]

  You could talk about this for ever. I don't and I'm seriously beginning to think maybe you will. [TS]

  That's piece of evidence number one second place [TS]

  and the second piece of evidence is you always say how fascinated you have by people's work systems you always are you [TS]

  always say to me I'm really fascinated by how you work I'm fascinated by how destiny works. [TS]

  I really want to know how know how this person does that. You're much more fit. By that and what they create. [TS]

  I can I don't think like you have ever in your life asked me what I'm working on. [TS]

  What's your next video about I ask you all the time what your next video is about and you won't tell me [TS]

  but I ask you all the time. [TS]

  You've never asked me what my next video is about [TS]

  but you do always ask me how I work what I'm doing what my systems are. [TS]

  Well that's my that's my second piece of evidence. [TS]

  You're much more you're much more focused on systems than outcomes [TS]

  and the last face of evidence is your videos your videos show this aspect your personality so brilliantly because [TS]

  because you always say you're not interested in news you're not interested in politics you're really disengaged from [TS]

  the real world. Yet you're obsessed with voting and election and you want to talk about the U.K. Election in depth. [TS]

  You didn't know any of the parties were or any of the politics. You couldn't care less. [TS]

  Oh you want to talk that was the system you used them in place. [TS]

  Look at your pipe video I'd like as far as I know you're not particularly interested in Catholicism [TS]

  and you're not a big follower of happenings in the Catholic Church. [TS]

  But you made a fantastic video about the process you used to put the pope in place all you care about is system you're [TS]

  not particularly interested in outcomes for that reason this book this book Getting Things Done is truly in every sense [TS]

  of the word great porn [TS]

  and it's not it's not just crave porn it's highly highly explicit poem because every page excruciating pain goes into [TS]

  credibility Aaliyah's and workflows and ways to become more effective. [TS]

  Like I think the touching this book because of how much pleasure I know it gives you. [TS]

  That is that is that is the end of May. I find your evidence for my interest in systems unconvincing. [TS]

  I'm actually I'm actually mostly embarrassed that I think you are right that I have never once asked you what you're [TS]

  working on. That's fine it's what you're interested in and yeah I would just feel I feel a slight shame as a person. [TS]

  We've discussed that I'm not very good at interpersonal relations you might like. [TS]

  That's actually quite bad that we've known each other for a long time [TS]

  and never once ever been like hey what are you working on. [TS]

  So I had like a laughing [TS]

  but I was also feeling like a horribly guilty realize like oh yeah that's right I am not a good friend sometimes you a [TS]

  good friend you don't have to ask them what they're working on in no way to be a good friend and I was not [TS]

  and I would never suggest otherwise so. So there we go. [TS]

  Now this book you obviously have read before a long time ago [TS]

  and because this is new edition out at the moment where he's he's updated it for a whole new generation of mini greys [TS]

  to enjoy. [TS]

  Did you have he finished as he finished your second I'm going to have the times how many times have you read it I was [TS]

  trying to say this is I would say this is probably the fourth time I've read the book right over over. [TS]

  I was trying to member him must've been it must of been like two thousand and five or two thousand and four [TS]

  when I first came across it when I was first training as a teacher [TS]

  when everyone was so blissful say about ten years ago. That's what I would have first found it. [TS]

  And yeah I know I've read it a couple times since then. [TS]

  How did you find out about it like how did it get on to a writer I don't remember specifically how I came across [TS]

  getting things done and I wish I did I wish I remembered how I found it. It's like your origins do. Very good. [TS]

  Basically I was I was really like falling apart in my Teacher Training years because I just like I was not an organized [TS]

  person [TS]

  and a thing that had always seemed like an advantage which was as a kid I kind of just like floated through high school [TS]

  without a lot of work. And college was a bit of a wake up call but it wasn't like enough of a wake up call. [TS]

  And so I sort of floated through that as well. [TS]

  And and then suddenly it was it was when I was doing my teacher training it was like WOW I'M NOT PREPARED FOR THIS. [TS]

  And then all of the things that I need to keep track of [TS]

  and I just remember very well there was this huge binder of like five hundred things that you need to have pieces of [TS]

  evidence for in order to be qualified as a teacher [TS]

  and that was the kind of thing I was having a very hard time keeping track of all that [TS]

  and I know I was I was reading books on productivity like God there must be something there must be something here that [TS]

  can help me. And I remember reading a bunch of books that I thought were just really awful. [TS]

  I can still remember what some of them were like oh this book is useless This book is terrible [TS]

  and it at some point I came across getting things done after I had read a bunch of books where I felt like all of them [TS]

  were just totally unhelpful. And this was the book that I did find helpful. And then what was different. [TS]

  What was different about us. [TS]

  So the reason the reason I asked before about the if you read the old version [TS]

  or you read the new version is that the old version is definitely dated [TS]

  but I actually I think it's actually better than the new version. [TS]

  The new the new version has been updated in a way that I find it is much less actionable [TS]

  and I have to say you know the one thing you are totally right that I am I am a systems person [TS]

  and I am very fascinated by systems. And your piece of evidence where we're dead on. [TS]

  But you are you are wrong about the pleasure that I derive from this. [TS]

  Book I have always found this book kind of boring. [TS]

  It's actually not the case that I'm like Oh boy all of these pages are great and when I was [TS]

  when I was reading the newer version I actually could I have the old one is on my Kindle [TS]

  and I was highlighted up for review that I was going to write. [TS]

  I went back and forth a few times to to look at how some of the passages had changed. [TS]

  Like oh god it like it got boring and up here like they took out some of the specificity [TS]

  and added more of this kind of jargon. David Allen has a lot of business jargon. [TS]

  Yeah if you don't read books that are business books this kind of thing can be death. [TS]

  I tend to read like a disproportionate number of books I could broadly be classified as business [TS]

  and they all have a kind of word poison in them that you have to you have to shuffle through [TS]

  and then he went even a book that I read recently which was probably one of the best versions of this that there can be [TS]

  which is creativity Inc by the guy who runs Pixar which is very interesting [TS]

  and entire book about the system of how Pixar produces movies [TS]

  but it still it suffers from the same kind of like dude at the top who is a manager and talks about horizons [TS]

  and vision stuff and it's like God that's disappointing because I actually really want to read that book. [TS]

  You will enjoy creativity Inc a million times more than you enjoy getting things done [TS]

  but it still has a little bit of that like this is a book written by a business dude. This one will take. [TS]

  And I actually do looking at the notes here like there's some stuff that I was final areas and getting things done [TS]

  and here I have a highlight here let me go to this little page. [TS]

  This is in the first edition [TS]

  but it shows like a David Allen is living in a different world so there's a section which has eight it is a quote [TS]

  typical list of things you might want to do someday. [TS]

  And on that typical list are get a sailboat take a watercolor class take a balloon ride build a wine cellar spend a [TS]

  month in Tuscany. Publish your memoir. It's like well it's interesting it's an interesting collection of things. [TS]

  And earlier he uses an example of the kind of problem that you might have to solve where you have inherited six million [TS]

  dollars from a relative and need to figure out how to disburse this money. [TS]

  Like oh yes we also use these problems day for the house [TS]

  and there's a whole bunch of examples of your work that you can feel the world that this person is coming from just [TS]

  hanging out with C.E.O.'s and chairman and the and the first book suffered from that [TS]

  and the the new edition I think is worse. [TS]

  And is that a speech is that it is is is that some consciously House appealing to even someone like me because it's [TS]

  like you know he's so successful and hangs out with successful people. If I do what he says I don't I'll be like that. [TS]

  Now this is a this is a certain kind of thing in his book that I find really tedious [TS]

  and I find self descriptions of like hanging out with other C.E.O.'s I just I can't stand that. [TS]

  I can't stand that kind of stuff especially in a book that is sensibly about a particular skill that you're supposed to [TS]

  gain or a particular thing that you're supposed to learn like I'm not really interested in you [TS]

  and I like the current edition at the end has this little chapter about like David Allen's journey through the many [TS]

  years of doing getting things done it's like oh man I couldn't skim that chapter any faster if I tried it was just like [TS]

  flip flip flop like I just have I have no interest in that. So that's what I when I was reading this for the homework. [TS]

  There were many times I kept thinking like God for Brady. [TS]

  Well I think you know I was done very gradual I was doing I was listening to public service broadcasting is truly a new [TS]

  album all about the space race and that's what people should be doing. There you go. [TS]

  OK but don't feel bad I've stopped. OK but that's. [TS]

  They quite relieved in some places like he didn't because of all the way through it because you may never have forgiven [TS]

  me. I feel bad because we said it is hard work. OK Now here is here. [TS]

  Here is the thing that I like I will be very curious [TS]

  and be very curious to see people's reaction to the book in the read at this time and for four people [TS]

  when you're leaving comments there's something that I want to know which is in addition to just how how did you like [TS]

  or dislike the book or do you think is going to be useful and I also want to know your station in life now. [TS]

  Are you a student. Are you an adult. Are you working are you not working. [TS]

  Are you a business owner you know what what what is that your position in life. [TS]

  Because I think that that can be that can have a. [TS]

  I'm curious to see if there's any kind of relation between certain kinds of people who find this useful in certain [TS]

  kinds of people who don't. I would really like to know more than just what people think about it. [TS]

  And you still haven't told me though I know this is a huge question about a book that's so influential for you is is [TS]

  because you're talking quite negatively about it as well. Why is this a good book. What value of this book. [TS]

  So I was making notes on on the stuff that to me is the kind of core of this book [TS]

  and the stuff that really caught my mind at the right time in my life. [TS]

  And I even made a note for anybody who wants to skim through Chapter five is like the real starting point of this book [TS]

  which I'm sure you never even you never even made it that far is just like you know a battlefield of soldiers not not [TS]

  not getting to the fifth mile because they've all just died on their way. [TS]

  Yeah like dead on the ferry right about mile marker point five. [TS]

  I mean some of the stuff that I'm about to say is going to sound just blindingly stupidly obvious. [TS]

  If I had to condense the book down to the one thing that really stuck with me [TS]

  and then really ended up changing my life. He hammers on the notion of your brain is not for remembering things. [TS]

  This is not the job of your brain. [TS]

  Yeah you need to you need to take everything out of your mind [TS]

  and put it into some kind of external system that your brain is for doing intellectual work or making decisions. [TS]

  But it is not a storage system and that is really where things started to change for me [TS]

  and I was finally reading through this and kind of remembering where I was at this point in my life. [TS]

  I will give you an example of how just incredibly stupid I was when I was younger [TS]

  and like OK so I had all these things to keep track of [TS]

  and some Somehow they like oh maybe I can just remember the five hundred things that I'm supposed to do to train as a [TS]

  teacher of course that's not even remotely possible. [TS]

  But I was reading this [TS]

  and I had a memory of like I got it this incredibly dumb idea I had of I was trying to come up with a system that would [TS]

  allow me to memorize all of the various calendar appointments that I had. [TS]

  Now we have discussed before that I have some time to do kind of memory systems to remember things like these these [TS]

  kind of these tricks that you can do to make it much easier to remember a large volume of stuff [TS]

  and it's like it seems impressive when you see memory experts do stuff [TS]

  but like there's a there's a mechanism behind this there's a system behind this sort of like some people you hear about [TS]

  using these memory palaces. [TS]

  I think that the memory passes I want to hear about because it's nice to visually describe I never did that I use some [TS]

  other systems but it's the same idea that there's like there's like a mechanism for this. [TS]

  Yes and when I was when I was training as a teacher I was looking into. [TS]

  Do those kind of mechanisms for date based information [TS]

  and I had this notion that I was going to somehow memorize this complicated calendar that I had of day that I'm at the [TS]

  university days when I'm at the training school [TS]

  when in the meetings with my advisors went to my meetings with the local advisors at the school [TS]

  when do I need to be here when do I need to be there [TS]

  and it's it's shocking that I could ever be that stupid to think that's a reasonable solution as opposed to something [TS]

  like a calendar like mine and you write things down on the calendar you moron. [TS]

  But [TS]

  but somehow I thought like oh I'm I'm like a smart guy right I should be able to remember where I'm supposed to be at [TS]

  all the time at all times like no don't do that. That's an incredibly stupid thing to do. [TS]

  It's highly error prone and is not going to help you at all [TS]

  and so the notion of like write your stuff down on a calendar idiot. This was life changing to me. [TS]

  And the one little item that I also started with was I kept a small paper notebook in my back pocket [TS]

  and always had a pen with me [TS]

  and I really really got into the habit of Whenever I had any thought about anything like a fleeting thought just write [TS]

  it down. Don't even judge what it is. Don't think if the thought makes any sense. [TS]

  Just like Just quickly did write it down in this little notebook and then once a week go through the notebook [TS]

  and decide if anything needs to be done about that stuff. [TS]

  And I often talk about like loops like reviewing your life in loops. I think that was like the earth loop for me. [TS]

  The beginning point of having a little notebook writing things down and then going back [TS]

  and regularly looking at that notebook I have to say great the benefit of that kind of night because I've come a guy [TS]

  has lots of ideas over time over connectivity about this or I should do that [TS]

  and most of the time they just fall out of my head and move on forever. [TS]

  So obviously I see the value of what you're saying but I do feel like if I did that. [TS]

  I would have a lot less ideas [TS]

  and I would also have just a lot less fun laugh because I just always be writing stuff down [TS]

  and pulling out my notebook and it would just that would consume me [TS]

  and I'm just not that's the that's my problem with a lot of the stuff this seems to be hinting at. [TS]

  I feel like all these systems just become consuming and I sometimes want to worry about it [TS]

  but I sometimes think that about you know I sometimes think to these systems can shame him like I know if I know that [TS]

  result in nothing being lost and you know you're like a really reliable hard drive. [TS]

  But I sometimes wonder whether or not you just like having fun. [TS]

  The experience that I had when you set a goal to be constantly writing stuff down. [TS]

  The thing that I found really interesting [TS]

  and where I feel like oh I became a different person is that in the beginning yes I found myself just writing stuff [TS]

  down all the time. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but I swear like what happens is your brain gets reprogrammed in such a way that what you realize you're doing is you're [TS]

  actually like thinking about the same things over [TS]

  and over again from different angles because your brain is so used to trying to remember it. [TS]

  And what I feel like now is that my brain is much calmer than it was when I was younger [TS]

  and so I don't actually feel like oh things are constantly popping into my head because like I have this whole system [TS]

  that my brain has learned to trust it like Oh if if you do have a thought you can write it down [TS]

  and you know that it will be reviewed at a later point in time and you don't have to like hold on. [TS]

  And that's what I've I feel like very relaxed. You know in a way that I didn't before. [TS]

  And it's something that I actually notices [TS]

  when I'm not doing well with the system because like with everything in life it goes it goes through cycles like [TS]

  sometimes you're really on top of stuff and sometimes you're not. But a key thing that I notice is. [TS]

  As like repeatedly thinking about something like I can tell something is on my mind. [TS]

  And that's usually a sign of like Who are you really keeping track of the stuff [TS]

  or are you trying again to we're just remember what you're supposed to do that's important [TS]

  and I find that that's a that's a bad sign for me [TS]

  and it's actually like I was very interested to do this homework now because I've been aware that I haven't been as on [TS]

  top of my system lately as I would like [TS]

  and I've had things like on my mind kind of burning up some mental cycles in a way that is not helpful [TS]

  and they go yes right pay attention to this. [TS]

  This behavior like it back into the habit of writing all the things down so it's like you feel really busy at the start [TS]

  writing everything down but that's like a temporary phase [TS]

  or at least that was the experience that I had you know now I keep my phone on me all the time [TS]

  and I have it set up that I can very quickly write things down [TS]

  but I don't pull it out like you know one hundred times an hour of like oh I thought this thing put the phone down [TS]

  but I think you're right back up right. [TS]

  That's not the case that you do because all you do to be a self editing regime of late like you do do you do a bit of [TS]

  editing about that's not even worth writing down. No not really. [TS]

  Yeah I don't have that that kind of thing happen doesn't I WAS don't know how to. [TS]

  I feel like I'm lacking words for an internal process here. [TS]

  What qualifies as something worth writing down like if you're walking along the park [TS]

  and you think oh there's a pretty you don't think there's a pretty in your phone. [TS]

  But what counts as a thing to write down. [TS]

  Yeah I mean that's fair but [TS]

  but at the same time something like birds are pretty is not the kind of thought that is internalized in words in my [TS]

  brain. [TS]

  Rose is like you looking and you are as like oh your eyes and your brain are seeing birds [TS]

  and you're hearing a song this kind of thing. What something. [TS]

  You write down that I don't write down I mean the obvious one is thoughts about future videos. [TS]

  And very often what I what I find when I go and [TS]

  when I go on walks I'm just walking around is some little sentence crap will pop into my head of like a clever way to [TS]

  phrase something and I'll write that down [TS]

  and very often I'll realize later like oh that actually fits very well with this other project that I might work on [TS]

  some day and so I finally took like a little pithy one liner and I said yeah the words that's that's exactly right. [TS]

  Sometimes you come on a play on words or just like a sentence that has a nice rhythm to it. [TS]

  I'll write that down [TS]

  and so I'll file it away in my system because I realize later like oh it's connected to this other thing sometimes it's [TS]

  not. But most of the time there's obviously some project of mine that this is connected to. [TS]

  So that's the kind of thing that I'll write down I just feel a bit like [TS]

  and I'm not saying that I'm not a super creative guy you know full of the most ideas in the way that I feel like if I [TS]

  collected every single thought I had like that but it would be like an avalanche [TS]

  and I was with no way to do with it what to do with it all it would just be because I think I have like a hundred of [TS]

  those thoughts every hour [TS]

  and I would still say that if you start writing that stuff down you have less of those thoughts than you think [TS]

  and I can't I can't remember where I read it but it I think it was like Bill Watterson the guy did Calvin and Hobbes. [TS]

  But talk about like nothing nothing makes you realize how how boring most of your ideas are than [TS]

  when your livelihood depends on generating good ideas [TS]

  and I really like writing those ideas down makes you really face that and [TS]

  when I go through like a now the digital notebook so [TS]

  when I go through the thing that I've written down I mean half of it is just immediately deleted like oh this is just [TS]

  obviously nothing at this doesn't go anywhere this is just some some dumb thought [TS]

  or I'm never going to do anything with this this is just a stupid project idea. [TS]

  How do you know when that point comes great how do you know when to delete. [TS]

  How do you know when something is no longer of value. [TS]

  If you're valuing everything and writing it all down how do you didn't devalue it. [TS]

  So this is the Getting Things Done system now that we're talking about [TS]

  and I guess the point is to have something on you all the time to capture your thoughts. [TS]

  So now that's my phone and it used to be a notebook and then the other phase is deciding on a time [TS]

  when you're going to sit down and you're going to go through those things [TS]

  and that is like you're separating the process of filtering your thoughts from simply recording your thoughts. [TS]

  So at that point when you sit down. [TS]

  So like once a week I'll sit down OK let me just go through all of these little notes that I've written [TS]

  and then is the point that I'm making some kind of judgment about does this need to be filed somewhere [TS]

  or is this just nonsense and I'm just going to delete it. [TS]

  I mean one of the things one of the things out Sega's deleted most is they come up with just ideas for apps that I [TS]

  would want on my phone and I'm not an app developer I have no skills in this area. [TS]

  This is probably a thing that is never going to work out but I'll still write them down and then very often [TS]

  when it's you know three days later and I'm doing my weekly review [TS]

  when I'm going through all my notes I realize you know what. That's a terrible idea. [TS]

  That's an absolutely terrible idea for an app that I've written down [TS]

  and I feel free to just delete it you know just that it is gone. So that's kind of the way this works. [TS]

  OK I mean that kind of goes against something that I sometimes think [TS]

  and it's actually some advice I have to give to people about sort of what I do in sort of video journalism [TS]

  and that is kind of a some really good advice I was given at the start is really stuck with me is [TS]

  when you go somewhere to like make a film or do an interview [TS]

  or whatever you can to make a film about don't don't get your camera out straight away. Don't start filming everything. [TS]

  Take it time. Get the lay of the land make the people think about the film you know build relationships. [TS]

  Know what's what and then start filming. Get what you need to be efficient. [TS]

  And then ladies don't walk in put you camera out going all look at this shiny thing I'm going to film that look at all [TS]

  of your question was your question always [TS]

  and like that's what young extend experience great what do they film everything they panic [TS]

  and then they get back to the office and I got like eighteen hours of footage [TS]

  or I don't I don't know what to do whereas I can come back [TS]

  and I've just got fifteen twenty minutes exactly what I need and I can officially turn it into a film [TS]

  and what you're sort of advocating here is almost the exact opposite of that. [TS]

  It's like it's like it's like get out of line or catch absolutely everybody fly that flies by [TS]

  and then spent thousand hours now is back at the office thinking you know I probably shouldn't go that butterfly. [TS]

  What a waste of time that was on nine of those butterflies [TS]

  and I've already had one hundred of them before who's kind of a bit like Shouldn't you have like some sort of editing [TS]

  or filtering system where the capturing sepak the thing that's different with your situation [TS]

  and I can see that is totally good advice that the way to to put video together for a news broadcast like that. [TS]

  But that's different because you are already talking about you're at the stage where like a project needs to get done [TS]

  and yes overshooting footage is unhelpful [TS]

  and you're already discussing like a project that has a system that has been tested by people like the phase that I'm [TS]

  talking about here is stuff that is much much earlier than that. [TS]

  Just you know things that might turn into projects someday but you don't know necessarily where they're going. [TS]

  Right so this is this is like way earlier like [TS]

  when you decide you're going to do a video series on going to the middle of England for example which you did before [TS]

  right. [TS]

  I'm discussing the point at which you're walking down the street [TS]

  and for some reason you start thinking about the middle of things like we're in the middle of Scotland where the middle [TS]

  of Wales [TS]

  and then you just write down your notebook like the middle of things like question marks like that the little thought [TS]

  that you have and then. [TS]

  Week later you look at it [TS]

  and if it still has some kind of hold on your mind you think well maybe this is something there's something here. [TS]

  But very often you look at thoughts and there's nothing there. [TS]

  I mean I just I pulled up my list of notes right now just to see like I'm curious how many have I written down [TS]

  and it's probably been you know if I've been just over a week since I've gone through the notes [TS]

  and I think I have can't be much more than thirty things written down over the course of the week is not a this is what [TS]

  I mean like it's the pace slows over time but [TS]

  when I first started it you know the in the in the first couple months it felt like I was constantly writing stuff down. [TS]

  But that's not the case anymore. [TS]

  OK What have been your other thoughts ratings throughout this most recent time that is is a still is a still special to [TS]

  do still does it still make you feel you know I mean you speak in such glowing terms about it [TS]

  when you talk about changing your life do you do you still look at it was that fun. [TS]

  No I made I know I was quite negative about it but you know no. [TS]

  Do you still do you still have the fullness for or do you look at it like like like an ex partner [TS]

  and think oh I can't believe I was something that back in the day. No I don't feel that way. [TS]

  I would still very strongly recommend this to people who are trying to figure things out like how how do I get [TS]

  organized. [TS]

  I would definitely still recommend that because going through this like I did make a bunch of notes on the things that [TS]

  I thought like yes these are these are the core points like if you can do these things it's extremely helpful. [TS]

  And there is I think it's I think it's either Chapter five or Chapter six [TS]

  but there is one point where a lot of the business language starts to drop [TS]

  and as I go I remember the section where he kind of like walks you through what he would do if he was being hired to [TS]

  help you organize your life and he talks about OK. [TS]

  You've set aside two days here's what you're going to do going to collect all of your things together [TS]

  and then he talks about how how it how we're going to go through all of these things how we're going to start like [TS]

  building a person's system up from nothing into something that is at least somewhat functional. [TS]

  And I still think that there is a lot of value in that. [TS]

  Without a doubt I have tried to put it on my website down to now of these things I'm calling like Book Notes which are [TS]

  me reading a book and then trying to pull out the parts that I think are useful and I did that with creativity [TS]

  and can i did that with bird by bird which is a book on writing [TS]

  and one of the reasons why I wanted to do that is I am just very aware that I read a lot of books that have what I [TS]

  would say are big parts of them that are frustrating or that are not good but it's like I don't really care. [TS]

  In some ways about the parts of the book that aren't good I don't want to write a review saying oh this part was good [TS]

  and that part wasn't good I care about like what can be gained from a thing. [TS]

  Despite all the spoilers kind of like the boilers [TS]

  and getting things done to me has a really core section that is very valuable. [TS]

  But but you do have to get through a whole bunch of other stuff to get there [TS]

  and the language is definitely one of them. The business speak is is it can kill a man. [TS]

  I was laughing before because David Alan is like a very interesting company shin of kind of like a business person [TS]

  but also a hippie like he constantly talks about your psyche and these other California buzzwords. [TS]

  And there was a like a mortar or whatever your mind has like water. [TS]

  It's it's like God you're grading me the wrong way to acces your body but you've quite impressive act to that as well. [TS]

  But the purview of the holy trinity of things to turn me off. Yes Yes That's exactly right. [TS]

  But oh the cult thing that I was going to I made a no comment. Whence does come back on that which was. [TS]

  I also happen to come across getting things done at around the time it was kind of becoming popular on the early [TS]

  Internet [TS]

  and there are a lot of great materials that people have written about implementing getting things done in their own [TS]

  lives [TS]

  and those things I remember reading just a ton of those to try to see like oh how are people making this system work [TS]

  and that stuff is very useful and you kind of embarrassing I don't actually want to mention this [TS]

  but I still have on my youtube channel that very very old video which is like time management for teachers it's one of [TS]

  very first things I ever did and I really watch that is in preparation for the pot get [TS]

  and get it was like these these horrifying flashbacks of of this whole this whole life [TS]

  but that is a case where you can see like what I'm doing there in some ways is explaining here like here's how I [TS]

  organize the packets of paper for classes Here's how I do a range in these lists [TS]

  and what it is it's like it's an adapted Getting Things Done system for for being a teacher and that's all [TS]

  and like man did that get me through my teaching career. [TS]

  Like I remember that clipboard and the checklist that I had every day and a couple of sheets [TS]

  and all of that came out of getting things done [TS]

  and I would never have gotten through teaching without it I would never I would never have gotten through teaching [TS]

  without it. But I recommend the book. [TS]

  But I by no means think that it is some kind of incredibly gripping flawless piece of work. [TS]

  You would never have gotten through taking that if you say it is impossible that you just sort of think it is that like [TS]

  a lot of people don't like to. Did you did you like because you used the term you so but I'm not. [TS]

  Stuff in there is aligned in the obvious and like so. [TS]

  And you know it could be argued he presented it in the right way at the right time. [TS]

  Perhaps but but would you know have just taken some of the stuff that like I remember when [TS]

  when I first started on the You Tube stuff because at at that they be saying My life was pretty basic [TS]

  and I knew what I was going to work and then I pretty much find out what I was doing that day and then I come home [TS]

  and I go to work again and I didn't keep a diary. [TS]

  And then when I started it was a huge huge stuff and I was meeting with Professor X. [TS]

  At this time and I was meeting with scientist at this time. [TS]

  At first I was just remembering all that's on Wednesday and that's going to be on Friday. [TS]

  And then eventually it was like I need a calendar like I did. I didn't need a book to tell me to get a calendar. [TS]

  It was just like I need a calendar this is I just can't remember this much stuff like that. [TS]

  Like what I guess what I'm asking is tell me the secret What's it like Save Me all the trouble of reading [TS]

  and tell me what the thing is in this book that I don't already know. I don't want to and I don't know. [TS]

  The thing is you can you can write on an index card. The core features of the system. But ultimately it is very simple. [TS]

  Can you tell me that index card. [TS]

  Yeah I guess so if I had to summarize it in a few bullet points one would be the first thing that I said before which [TS]

  is write everything down don't keep it in your head. [TS]

  The next thing is that you want to have a list of projects [TS]

  and the idea is it is every single project that you might possibly be working on right now. [TS]

  Yeah and the key piece of that again comes from the first point like everything. [TS]

  There's a huge advantage [TS]

  when you can look at a list that encompasses everything in your life that you're trying to accomplish as opposed to a [TS]

  list that's like eighty five percent complete [TS]

  and I can I can speak from experience that it is it is a different experience. [TS]

  Nice to have a complete project list versus an almost complete project. [TS]

  What's an example of something that would be on Gray's complete project list that wouldn't beyond an incomplete normal [TS]

  person list. What would I forget to put on. [TS]

  Well the thing is the complete project list usually has a lot of just like little stuff that you wouldn't normally [TS]

  think of it's again it's the kind of thing that you would try to keep in your mind like buying a buying birthday [TS]

  presents. [TS]

  Yeah like OK so I'm just going on my own on the focus here to just take a look at what's in here so I give you some [TS]

  examples of like small things that I have. Yeah. [TS]

  OK so I have a couple of things that I like related to doctors visits on here rather that are things that I know past [TS]

  me would have just had in my brain and then just like oh you know I see the doctor like that kind of thing. [TS]

  But now it's written down like it's part of this little system here. [TS]

  There's a few things that I want to set up in the house which again are very very minor things that need to get done [TS]

  but they're still written down they're still here. Yeah it's like the thing is it's not about the big projects. [TS]

  It's really about having the little projects as well. But you wouldn't call this a To Do list. [TS]

  No the project list is like is a different thing from a to do list and that's that's what kind of makes it special [TS]

  and it finds I kept I kept looking for something in the Getting Things Done book that I think oh I thought this was in [TS]

  here but I think actually either I pulled this from somewhere else or it's something I stumbled upon on my own [TS]

  but I always write the projects as a past tense sentence as in like this is the thing that needs to be done. [TS]

  There's like a doctor visit scheduled is the way I write down the projects. You Tube video on topic X. Online. [TS]

  Yeah I got it from had like wife computer fixed. Like that's the way I will write those things down. [TS]

  The next bullet point on the little index card is that you have a separate list that is actions that need to be taken [TS]

  to move those projects to completion. So every project has assigned subleased breaking out of it. [TS]

  Yes every project then you you go through your projects [TS]

  and you very consciously say OK what are what are the physical actions that are then required to move this project [TS]

  towards completion. [TS]

  This is the point where if it was like the amount of work to run the system is becoming greater than the amount of work [TS]

  I'm willing to do what we've just talked about the three ideas don't keep anything in your head have a project list [TS]

  that is separate from the actions that need to be done like that. [TS]

  That's basically the Getting Things Done system there do it but that's like the core. [TS]

  Yeah the way I would try to describe it is that it is what you're trying to do is like separate times [TS]

  when you are thinking about OK what are all the things that I need to get done OK how can I move this project forward [TS]

  to completion while blah blah. [TS]

  So what you have then is is [TS]

  when you're actually working on a set of actions that you can just as close as possible just growing through [TS]

  and just do like I already know what I need to do to move these projects forward like this is what I do every week I [TS]

  sit down and I write down the next steps required to complete these projects. [TS]

  And now my job is to just go through this list of things [TS]

  and the key thing here is like the actions have to have a verb [TS]

  and their needs like if you haven't written it down with a verb like you haven't really thought through what you need [TS]

  to do to get this thing completed how many projects are on your current project based. [TS]

  I can tell you the nerves that none the focus [TS]

  and somewhere in here I'm actually curious look at those numbers those ticks I am currently I have. [TS]

  Two hundred projects in my system. [TS]

  OK now I know this is and I some of them are big [TS]

  and some of the snow so that is going to ask you to get on average how many actions does each project have someplace. [TS]

  Norman let me go to my normal little little projects here. There's one action associated with that two actions. [TS]

  Three one four one three. Yes most of my little projects have like one to five things associated with them. [TS]

  But something that's that's something like uploading your next video will have like twenty things in its checklist [TS]

  and yeah making I can blow it up right now why. [TS]

  But I mean that then they start to get the stuff that I feel like this is this is like professional work stuff like it [TS]

  is not not a normal person's list anymore. [TS]

  So yeah my checklist for a video from idea to finished product is seventy one items long. [TS]

  And an enormous number of those are just tiny little things like the stuff I don't I don't mind mentioning is created [TS]

  some nail for the video after the video has been uploaded make sure that the video looks OK on youtube because every [TS]

  once in a while around your problem where the video [TS]

  and the audio fall out of sync for some unknown reason why upload the video I want to turn off on Schiphol ads for the [TS]

  first twenty four hours than I have to compose the email if that's going to go out. [TS]

  There's all of these just little items [TS]

  and it's actually quite easy to come up with seventy one tiny steps that need to happen if course I can imagine. [TS]

  So you've got this you've got this project this would say two hundred things on there and then [TS]

  and sort of hidden under that under the hood. All these subways. Well how often do you look at the project list. [TS]

  What's the daily or weekly thing that when you wake up in the morning how do you know what you're doing. [TS]

  This is the kind of key to the whole system is like you should not be looking at all of this all the time. [TS]

  You will you will just be a crazy person if you like let me look at my two hundred things. [TS]

  Yeah like a key point of the system is to only be able to see the things that you can actually do right now [TS]

  and to back this up I will say the reason why getting things done made such a huge difference to me [TS]

  and this is one of the things that I like. Now this doesn't work for me as well and a half restorations with it. [TS]

  But if you magine you have a list of all your projects that you need to get done. [TS]

  The idea is that you then have the fees where you put those actions for like moving those projects forward. [TS]

  They should be lists that are limited to a particular place like OK. So let me describe the situation. [TS]

  What changed my life was OK I'm going to write down all of my projects. [TS]

  I'm in teacher training right now and instead of just having one big to do list that I'm constantly looking at [TS]

  and feeling anxious about all the stuff that needs to get done. [TS]

  Instead I'm only going to look at [TS]

  when I am at university I will have a separate piece of paper which it used to be that just has the actions that I can [TS]

  perform at university. Then I have a separate list which just has the actions I can perform. [TS]

  When I go to my training school. OK yeah right. [TS]

  And then I have a separate list which is all of the items I need for when I'm talking to my advisor [TS]

  and I wouldn't have very many pieces of paper like that it was maybe four or five lists for the four [TS]

  or five places that I was. Yeah that was life changing for me like that. That is what made the difference. [TS]

  I can say that helps you in that situation. [TS]

  I cannot say how that helps you know help me now because the list of things I can do [TS]

  when I'm sitting at my computer in the morning with a blank canvas is seemingly infinite right now. [TS]

  What's what does your of this look like. I'm sitting at my desk in my office today. Well let's save this. [TS]

  As well I have a big list of notes [TS]

  and this review that I keep I keep referencing of getting things done that I've I've been trying to write trying to [TS]

  publish for a while because this is this has been my core frustration with the last several years of my life [TS]

  and particularly since I've I've I've gone to You Tube is that I can do almost anything in my life from almost anywhere. [TS]

  But I have basically no physical constraints. [TS]

  I'm really aware that with my new bigger phone the very few things that I felt like oh well I can't do it if I just [TS]

  have my phone it's like well guess what. Now the number of things I can't do on my phone is like three. [TS]

  I can't record a podcast I can't animate a video and I can't do my taxes. [TS]

  Thank you to specifically to suffer for my computer because like everything else in my life I can do [TS]

  and that is where I have found that over the years the Getting Things Done system has been working less [TS]

  and less well for me. And that's partly what I've talked about before on this pop cast of this. [TS]

  This feeling of I used to live in a world where I had like a very large number of very small things that needed to be [TS]

  done [TS]

  and now I don't live in that world anymore like i everywhere I am I can potentially do all of the things that I need to [TS]

  do. [TS]

  And so I've been I've been kind of cobbling together and trying to do my own system with that [TS]

  but I like getting things done was the perfect system for the perfect time in my life. [TS]

  But if you if you read the original book like it is so clearly a book that is written before anybody is carrying [TS]

  Internet connected cell phones with them all the time. Yeah. [TS]

  He talks like about these you know these amazing things [TS]

  but basically you're more often dealing with bits of paper in a basket on your desk. Yeah. [TS]

  And it's one thing where reading the new edition I was keenly looking out for stuff that had been updated for the [TS]

  modern digital world. [TS]

  Old and my opinion is that he he blows past this fundamental problem [TS]

  and kind of pretends as though you have been very many more of these places that you are limited by then is the truth. [TS]

  Like in slang This is called a context like what is the context you are working in [TS]

  and is like my whole life is one context cause I have a super phone in my pocket I can always do everything. [TS]

  How are you getting around this problem. Because this seems like a big deal. [TS]

  This is been like the central problem of my system for two years now [TS]

  and this is kind of why I know you make you make fun of me for for changing stuff [TS]

  but this is one of the reasons why I am kind of always experimented with stuff is I feel like oh I used to have the [TS]

  system that worked well and I kind of lost it because the nature of my job and my work has changed so much. [TS]

  If I was still a teacher to getting things done things system would work great because that's still a world of like [TS]

  limits and offices and paper and like everything would be fine. [TS]

  But that's that's not where I am now and you can't do it. [TS]

  I mean I'm not suggesting you throw your i Phone and the like but could you could you not to artificially. [TS]

  Could you like could she because it kept you so much signer [TS]

  and happy could you not create these contacts artificially [TS]

  and just have like golden rules like whatever I am you know in my desk I mean context ironic where making videos [TS]

  and sending emails is an option and whenever I'm at Starbucks that's when I'm allowed to do B. [TS]

  and Say I'm going to you know you could just create these things. [TS]

  Frankly that is precisely the kind of stuff that I tried to do. [TS]

  But [TS]

  but of course it's having a genuine hard boundaries that is something that you cannot break versus a soft boundary that [TS]

  you're trying to create for yourself. It doesn't. [TS]

  Work very well and it needs a lot and then you are going to have to very fine [TS]

  and like there are some tricks that I definitely do to try and influence like to try and set for myself hard limits. [TS]

  But there's a lot of really interesting cognitive science that talks about the limits [TS]

  and the drain on mental capacity when you're when you're doing that kind of thing. [TS]

  It's it's the old like yeah in theory you can die in your house with ice cream everywhere and just not eat it [TS]

  but you can actually see it like this even if someone is successfully able to do that to go on a diet [TS]

  and not eat the ice cream it's in the refrigerator you can measure how their cognitive performance is limited in all [TS]

  kinds of other ways because some part of their brain is reserved to the don't eat ice cream part even if you think like [TS]

  oh look at me I'm like I'm so great I don't have to eat ice cream it's like yeah [TS]

  but if we start having you do test the mental math like you do worse than someone in the exact same position who just [TS]

  doesn't have ice cream in the house or I stop saying or asking you making me hungry. [TS]

  But the reason I'm bringing that up as an example so there are lots of things that I try to do [TS]

  but like this this has been the fundamental problem for me and I have found ways that are helpful [TS]

  but I feel like I haven't had a really rock solid system in really since I became self-employed. [TS]

  Sasa the time is right for a new book you just sweep isn't to be the next. [TS]

  DAVID Oh yeah if I can I can figure it out all right you've actually got to figure it out first and that's the problem. [TS]

  But once I figured out that I can start my own cult. [TS]