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H.I. #43: The Naughty Episode


  Thanks I seem to be doing everything correctly. Oh yeah. [TS]

  Touch wood but not too often cause you got to say when I touch the would I get upset [TS]

  when you touch your wood don't you send the stuff you're not normally that route every street sometimes I do know I do [TS]

  know you today he did you have a noise he said the word naughty is one of these cultural differences I think for [TS]

  Americans this is quite a sexy word but for English people [TS]

  and Australians it is not a sexy word now it's like it's word to use for children like to be noisy. [TS]

  Yeah I have heard this over wavin children contacts like with little kids. [TS]

  Yeah how did I [TS]

  but I don't think no matter how long I'm here will I ever get comfortable with listening to adults tell little children [TS]

  about how naughty there being it's like oh God it's just that I was [TS]

  and I never I just don't think of the word noting that you day I know I know you don't [TS]

  but it's just it is unsettling to me. [TS]

  Maybe it's just me [TS]

  but I feel like this is an American thing I might be wrong about this though you know I can see on videos do I'm [TS]

  looking right at you right now [TS]

  or have we started we don't make you see faces to make you laugh out loud I think nobody now minimizing you now this [TS]

  feel different doesn't it. [TS]

  Yeah the company's collapse of the official start there on how to what do we do we officially stuff how does the share [TS]

  stuff we go through follow up and you've written the first thing for out and you've written the first thing [TS]

  and follow up with goods goodies that was me covering it up so that I can do it added later we had unity would you [TS]

  never protect me with that he's reached out to is my you do this all the time you say things [TS]

  and I pull out the first [TS]

  but you're just super sensitive to I have to say right here in the last episode I did notice what a good job you did. [TS]

  Improving May thank you for the first time. Well either that or I've got a lot better between episodes. [TS]

  Forty one and forty to [TS]

  but I think it's more likely you would need to be more diligent with the editing I was not more diligent I do the same [TS]

  thing that I do all the time it was and I think it better. [TS]

  No you didn't you were just paying attention to the fact I try to save you from yourself in the editing I try to save [TS]

  both of us from ourselves in the editing [TS]

  but even with hundreds of cut there's only so much a man can do you can always do more if you want to do one additional [TS]

  final edit that's a whole is fine by me [TS]

  but three added to a maxed out for edits now OK for you to are you taking on the Fourth at it is that what you're [TS]

  saying is that no no no. OK You would never let me do that anyway. [TS]

  You're too much of a control freak if you wanted to do a fourth at it after I have done three edits I'd be fine without [TS]

  now because I've put in things that you wouldn't like like you know [TS]

  when I say added I don't mean you get to just add in clown honking sounds [TS]

  or would it like whatever you're going to put in I just mean edit in the way that idea of cut down [TS]

  and make shorter That's what I mean by bite at her I'm going to do one of those that I'd be happy if you don't want [TS]

  plan something sounds fun they that way. Let's start follow up. OK what's the C.C.C. [TS]

  Thing in the follow up what do you think that stands for corporate compensation corner you are a good man. [TS]

  Goodman really going to have another corner. OK yep its corporate compensation course this isn't new. We really don't. [TS]

  Corporate this is corporate compensation corn a follow up. [TS]

  Yeah remember we talked about me getting stranded on the runway [TS]

  and then the lighter they are decided I'd throw my hat in the ring and try and get this compensation in Europe. [TS]

  Apparently your entire to tell you and you told me I'd have to jump through a thousand hopes [TS]

  and I'd never get up I gotta Wow And you know what I didn't even know I'd got it I was going through my bank account [TS]

  today for sorting out the tax mend there was an entry there that completely bemused man I'm not stuck with that money [TS]

  come from and I had come from. [TS]

  Quantas and they had paid me this chunk of money that keeping me stranded on the runway [TS]

  and I was like oh I never told me that I didn't know I was getting that money and I went through my A mouse [TS]

  and sure enough I even got an email that I'd missed saying we've decided that you are going to get the money will be [TS]

  sending you the money to your bank account and because I know of. [TS]

  Quanta say mouse because they usually Spann telling me to go on. [TS]

  Slots and things like that and I had just not read this email from Qantas and it was for [TS]

  and it was payday so good on many a very exciting for you. Brady G.I. Was not a trivial amount of money. [TS]

  Another join to share with the audience how much it was it was four hundred and forty pounds. [TS]

  Well are you surprised by that I don't know how much of the plane ticket I have no frame of reference or not [TS]

  and I was a trip to extract it so I was expensive [TS]

  but you know the real funded a portion of the the plane ticket is that what you're saying if it chunk of an astute just [TS]

  about the trip. True I did get there. Incredibly light Mr party the spread of the nothing it is better than nothing. [TS]

  That's true I'm very happy for you. [TS]

  Brady I've got more corporate compensation CORDONE Yes Man this is this is an amazing start for anybody who this is [TS]

  their first listen to the hello internet pod cast if this is your first ever said a prayer [TS]

  when spent basically welcome to this podcast where we spend a lot of time talking about our efforts to get compensation [TS]

  from companies. No we don't. This but this is never happened before. [TS]

  This is mention offhandedly once before [TS]

  and now we're just getting follow up from it because Brady likes to turn everything into a corner like a good karma for [TS]

  the next part of this let's try to move along a fat the weekend I mentioned in the last episode that been a parade of [TS]

  me and my family and I was actually supposed to be going on holiday that wake and obviously we didn't go on holiday [TS]

  and the flotsam I was going on that wake will kind of cheaper airlines you know the easy chair [TS]

  and Ryanair we actually had it easy Jet fly and a Ryanair fly I wasn't even going to try [TS]

  and get compensation from them because we just didn't take the slots we can even cold yet lobby just said well we're [TS]

  not going on the flights. [TS]

  And then notorious for being pretty tight there's a lot with money so I thought Well that definitely won't be worth the [TS]

  trouble but my wife said I go on what kind of hair that send them a couple of a mouse. [TS]

  Both of them fully refundable slots while couldn't believe it's in the May We're really good Gray do you know I'm [TS]

  pretty quick to complain about bad customer service [TS]

  and the slag people off so I think it's only fair that occasionally when someone does the right thing [TS]

  and tricks Mira I've given the mention I'm still not recommending flying Easyjet Ronit terrible and gin. [TS]

  Caroline I would want to fly. [TS]

  Lesson I kind of have to sometimes fly with them but I would recommend them [TS]

  but most of them they really deliver the goods they were they were sympathetic to have to fund at the slots could own a [TS]

  glad that their customer service made you happy [TS]

  but at least with the Jets I find there we don't assign any seats until the gate maneuver. [TS]

  Basically causes a cattle stampede every time you're trying to get on one of their airplanes A.Z. [TS]

  Jet turned data Ryanair the ones that are bad for that maybe that's right now than they did that in my mind they merged [TS]

  together. [TS]

  Yeah got that down so I can Iraq where you see Jet did that [TS]

  when I was finally maybe to I think that you study that I think I don't you know I always try [TS]

  and get the front row seats anyway I pay extra side I can avoid the the scrum. [TS]

  Yeah something else that has made me very happy is the continuing growing strict finning. [TS]

  Campaign to save the campaign the more it's just it's over the free voting is just the word now [TS]

  and I had another major victory this wake little series of articles that came out in various sources most of which were [TS]

  the result of interviews with agood might destine few other people there was one in slight I think I've got it here [TS]

  hang on. Dustin has become the brand ambassador for free bring a has I tell you what they are. [TS]

  I checked I checked Ignace one because they actually contacted me and I said you know you need to speak to Destine. [TS]

  Thinking that Colin up and get a quote from him I didn't know I was going to turn into that. [TS]

  Destin Sandland road show where the. Basically made him a superstar. Embedded all these videos. [TS]

  If I'd known that are going to go to town I still wouldn't given them an entity [TS]

  but I think yeah the court I did give them a quote way before last time we discussed how you wanted not to be the [TS]

  center of attention that exam wouldn't want to be the lead singer in a band you wanted to be first guitar in a band. [TS]

  Exactly yeah that means occasionally [TS]

  when there's not a chorus chime in with a little yeah yeah something like that right. [TS]

  Enough gotta have a little bit of a little bit of a a say I start going to bail out the center [TS]

  and that's what happened here that this article was in the article I'm going to read the whole thing after now we're [TS]

  going to read the whole thing because it's just it's just page after page of destine talking but [TS]

  but the part that I like this last year on his podcast. Hello winter if you like that do you do that. [TS]

  The astray Lee [TS]

  and filmmaker filmmaker I like that rather than yeah this trail info make a Brady Haran coined the term freebooting to [TS]

  describe the act of taking someone's You cheap pretty and re uploading it on a different platform P.R.N. [TS]

  Benefit than has the Quite I had long said I found the word copyright infringement. [TS]

  Somehow an adequate Heron explained to me via email I was just browsing words associated with piracy [TS]

  and thought the outward freebooting somehow felt right and had a computer online feel to it is that how you talk [TS]

  when you are doing interview I just you know you know audiobooks you could have a different voice [TS]

  when you're in quite Is that how you narrowed an audiobook. [TS]

  Maybe if it was you was a cord from your would have gone into nerd voice Oh good thank you thank you Your voice is very [TS]

  very accurate that was my contribution that unite us where there it's just it's going to be in a dictionary site it [TS]

  will be I have long since conceded victory to you. [TS]

  Yeah I'm not you know I'm not I'm not trying to rub rub your nose in that again you are now part of pain free voting [TS]

  and I respect that but what a great moment for Apple. [TS]

  Cast your pasta some my podcast What a great moment for me it's going to be a that word makes into the dictionary it is [TS]

  how we're going to mark that event what we today I'm thinking I'm thinking commemorative plates. [TS]

  I'm thinking tea towels with freebooting printed on it definitely Taisha it's are guys that sang a freebooting mug I [TS]

  think is going to be. Merchandise I think we're going to crazy. Can we have a a party on a pirate ship. [TS]

  Cry That's genius. [TS]

  What about boots What about authentic free parts and we team up with some cobbler some shoemaker somewhere [TS]

  and has authentic hello internet free boats might you want to give away boots for free I'm not going to give them away. [TS]

  OK Our free boots they're not free. Yeah free very committed small press and made by a cobbler. [TS]

  Not actually a small Right but you know what will happen and some of the rival couple [TS]

  or stop making human the Freebird affray boots that will inevitably happen anyway. Yeah well done. [TS]

  Destine for continuing to spread to her death. Well done for eighty M. [TS]

  Well done Freddie for recommending they speak to Destine I'm sorry I'm the king make a great you are marching make you [TS]

  care. I'm just annoying to he will become famous. [TS]

  Right but and I know I know when to Destine right you anointed destine but he is the executor of this situation. [TS]

  He's the one doing the he crossed the nettle that is fair to say what's a nettle I don't what you grasp [TS]

  when you you know you've heard the saying grasped the nettle havingness know. I can hear you sighing over there. [TS]

  Grasp the nettle the meaning is to tackle a difficult problem boldly [TS]

  and I think that's the way you used it I think oh it's because because he was confronted with an interview in a [TS]

  situation and he and he could have filed [TS]

  but he did it well he liked indeed to be a well he spread the word he made into a big thing. [TS]

  He crossed the netto I'm not sure I would characterize doing an interview with a reporter as a difficult problem. [TS]

  Destin does everything boldly So we've got that part of it down that's fine [TS]

  but you know Grade ten seconds ago you hadn't even heard of the saying [TS]

  and now you're accusing me of using it incorrectly. Oh I've got a page over here called phrases dot org dot U.K. [TS]

  With a picture of little plant and it says to tackle a difficult problem building. [TS]

  OK so the figurative advice to be bold [TS]

  and grasp the nettle derives from the property of the plant to inject toxins that into the skin of any person [TS]

  or animal who brushes against its stiff hollow hairs if the plant is grasped firmly especially if it is done in the [TS]

  direction of the hair that the hairs are growing the hair tend to be pushed flats [TS]

  and avoid penetrating the skin that so that the first time how their internet listener about now is wishing we were [TS]

  going back to incorporate come I think this is the way more interesting than core for company. [TS]

  Seriously this will these guys do they talk about compensation [TS]

  and like to find signs that pretty much is always a safe you know enjoyed under a committed start listening that you [TS]

  abandon all hope and I did and I'm looking at the night C. [TS]

  and I could Terry it's not going to get any better than they are right let's move out of the next thing we have [TS]

  listening on the job. [TS]

  Updates this is fast becoming asked favorite the podcast where we recount stories of what people do while listening to [TS]

  hello internet. I think it's been quite a few in the bread I'm sure you've seen some. [TS]

  Ahead of these nights and I think we've lost them. [TS]

  Benno yet you actually make notes here is one that could have been boring [TS]

  but was was polled from the fire was reading the same out this person is a final video colourist and T.V. [TS]

  Dailies operator ninety percent of my workday spent scrolling through hours of sound this footage [TS]

  and making it look as beautiful as possible. [TS]

  This comes from someone called See Ryan and that's what I do have a color correction could be slow data process [TS]

  and my mind tends to want to get distracted with app already a stimulus so I think you can guess what's coming. [TS]

  Thankfully the getting fully that I have a fast collection of audiobooks [TS]

  and podcast hang on vast collection of the pope costs to keep my mind occupied. [TS]

  Here she says but hello internet is easily one of my favorites. [TS]

  There's something very encouraging for lack of a better word about listening to an hour's long in-depth conversation [TS]

  between two pals I don't know who's talking about there who are both somewhere like I definitely don't know who's [TS]

  talking about that. [TS]

  Yet so different they really keep my work moving along so that's a pretty that's a really good kind of pretty standard [TS]

  a mile I would say that he is he is where the email gets pulled from the fire [TS]

  and gets to a whole new level of interesting narrative this so now for a fun bit of trivia for you guys here is a list [TS]

  of some video productions that hell Internet has helped me color in the past year. [TS]

  N.B.C.'s crisis say someone Fox's Empire season one feature films a good person. Long way to the top. [TS]

  Final colors of the music video. [TS]

  Dusty wing spirit by Adam Taurus final colors of shorts commercials white WAIT DON'T TELL ME. L. [TS]

  Prof and the advanced technological regression of NESTA tell [TS]

  but so we have like a whole list here of things that have been colored with help [TS]

  and I think we should be put on the I.M.D.B. Databases having contributed to these productions. [TS]

  Oh yeah is that you think I think were unsung heroes I'm not asking for money just as to credit. [TS]

  Oh OK Just just a credit in coloring a sister are that what you would want to have to be that data out I think just [TS]

  have a our forces Empire brought to you by how their Internet. [TS]

  Carb via brought to you by Bradley Heron luring is the status and grey Norty poise I see what you're doing [TS]

  and what your dear you're being nosey. [TS]

  Oh you could then I want to come to that letter what else have I got here in the job department I love this is what I [TS]

  like to rejoin the same A [TS]

  and this is going to also a segue nicely to our next place a follow up the how I read Ian Gray This is from John much I [TS]

  love this into how the Internet in the latest episode you mentioned a listener right in saying our professional bass [TS]

  player I am also a professional bass player so it was kind of neat to hear that [TS]

  but I also have another connection to a subject you were talking about in the episode. [TS]

  Human Gray mentioned you're interested in ships [TS]

  and I've been checking out our Web site where you can view the position of ships. [TS]

  I'm employed as a basis to on a cruise ship so next time you're browsing marine traffic look up my ship [TS]

  and you can see the exact position of someone who was likely listening to an episode of hell internet while say oh yeah [TS]

  John to handle by so on a boat has given me the name of the ship. [TS]

  OK so I'm going to coal up a Web site now in the last episode we linked to the Web site I used to look at ships [TS]

  and I have since been told correctly by many many people are was using an inferior Web site for this purpose [TS]

  and I had a guy what's what should I go to now the one that I'm locking at the moment is code. [TS]

  Marine Traffic dot com This is a better one cycle of Marine Traffic dot com green traffic dot com And if at the top [TS]

  coal at the top brought that you say if a search your suggestion vessels stroke port Yep so obviously that's put the [TS]

  name in there which is what the site was is and some of the C.C. [TS]

  That's fine at where Joan is right now at them of the Seas. [TS]

  Anthem of the say so there it is like it's docked in Pomona hum it's a huge ship. [TS]

  Look at a safe it is an enormous ship says that is just off the eastern coast of Spain not two thousand Flint C.S. [TS]

  Has that they are even doom right in to precisely where it is docked at this very moment. [TS]

  Oh yeah if you can see this enormous ship and exactly where in the port. [TS]

  Oh wow yeah that's a very good test it basic It was a fantastic Web site. [TS]

  And with this Web site you can create fleets of your favorite ships [TS]

  and follow them around so I might I might add that one to my Slate Oh I see add to fleet at to fellate flushed the flag [TS]

  of the Bahamas on us who does what cruise ship doesn't fly the flag of the Bahamas it's not always about how misses a [TS]

  few others it could have [TS]

  and it's almost always the Hamas we know what you're up to behave as such we talked about ships lost are the cargo [TS]

  ships something like that I watch them going past either an ego at my window at the moment that a look that would be a [TS]

  nice know that I needed to look at the wind I never to have this Web site on the never look at my window again. [TS]

  That's exactly right this website can entirely replace the view out your window just don't don't even look up from your [TS]

  monitor just open up the Web site [TS]

  and then you will then you'll be able to see all the ships that are passing by outside. [TS]

  Excellent last time we were discussing a friend of yours who rather than fly on an airplane. [TS]

  Took cargo ships across the ocean out of some environmental consciousness that are the same. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and I started to have a little bit of a rant about how this stuff drives me crazy because of how terrible cargo ships [TS]

  are in terms of carbon dioxide emissions. [TS]

  Yeah and and just if I didn't give that to you by the why I did say I was and show you a rot. [TS]

  Oh yeah yeah student think you're right. [TS]

  Yeah well this is this is when the think there was a big discussion on our sub Reddit about it [TS]

  and people arguing back [TS]

  and forth about various things I spent I spent a good a good while today trying to pull up some actual numbers on like [TS]

  E.P.A. [TS]

  Dot dot gov pulling up I have in front of me this this ridiculous this ridiculous cycle seventy one page document from [TS]

  the E.P.A. [TS]

  About the carbon dioxide emissions of everything as a O'Boyle surely this will this will help me no it doesn't help me [TS]

  have been the theory can file and looking for every chart is either not detailed enough [TS]

  or too detailed to be completely unhelpful is just it's it was very frustrating because I was I was just trying to find [TS]

  an answer to this question about the relative pollution of of these various things. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and so here's what people were discussing in the Reddit which is which is as clear as it gets that if you are measuring [TS]

  carbon dioxide emission per distance. Ton of cargo ships. [TS]

  Gigantic cargo ships are very efficient [TS]

  and aircraft are very not efficient otherwise I'd ship cars all around the world in flames with my Exactly it like this [TS]

  was this was never really the the question. [TS]

  Well of course if you're going to have to ship a whole bunch of cargo around. [TS]

  You probably don't want to be shipping very heavy things in aircraft even dinner. [TS]

  Carbon dioxide emissions a side is not going to make any economic sense. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and so most of the arguments that I saw from people were based upon these numbers talking about tonnage of raw materials [TS]

  moving back and forth but my my argument is that people are not the same thing as boxes of steel that you that's [TS]

  and it's unusual for you to make that argument. [TS]

  Well I was just a passing thought I was about to say they're not books of stereo yet if I get to that actually later so [TS]

  people say oh we everyone should be using cargo ships due to travel across the oceans. [TS]

  Yeah but if you're going to do that then [TS]

  and this is a massive infrastructure change because I was also looking up the travel times it seems like the fastest [TS]

  just about any cargo ship can cross the Atlantic if they're going full steam is five days [TS]

  and it looks like the the majority of ships were taking ten or twenty days to get across the ocean [TS]

  and I presume that that's a bit like when you're in a car that going at a lower speed is more fuel efficient [TS]

  but I don't think it's probably an actual speed limitation I think they're just they're going slower for fuel if you [TS]

  start talking about YOU WANT TO YOU want to move an enormous number of people across the ocean. [TS]

  Well now you also have to provide those people with food. There has to be places for them to sleep. [TS]

  There needs to be some minimal amount of entertainment unless you want this to be like a slave ship [TS]

  and their hunches down in the hole rowing rowing that really carbon vision. [TS]

  So this is [TS]

  when people start arguing about everybody like people should take cargo ships this is the thing that drives me crazy is [TS]

  like OK yes for your friend who is such an infant tests mill amount of the ship that is moving we can consider. [TS]

  I'm to be cargo but there's no full there's no plane that's not flying because he's taking the ship [TS]

  and if everybody were to take ships you know we have to do we'd have to make them more like cruise ships [TS]

  and the environmental numbers on the cruise ships are undeniably awful the current ships are a bit sort of most [TS]

  and meandering [TS]

  and purposeless Oh yeah you know what I'm saying is that Connally's that it wouldn't work at SHAPE TO to stay near the [TS]

  ground just like isn't about basic physics you know work [TS]

  and all the sort of stuff if you if you have to lift something. [TS]

  Thousands and thousands of faith into the air I was a consistent friction and once you do that. [TS]

  My frustration with is that the only consideration is not the amount of carbon dioxide being released into the [TS]

  atmosphere there are if if you this is your concern if you're if you are a person who is saying oh I'm really concerned [TS]

  about the amount of carbon dioxide being released is the atmosphere that OK great. [TS]

  I do have a pie chart for you which talks about global C O two gas emissions by source the entire transportation [TS]

  industry which includes all of the cargo ships. [TS]

  He's thirteen percent of the global C O two emissions right [TS]

  and then I was look this is the thing I was trying to break down further [TS]

  but more than half of that thirteen percent is from automobiles so you're talking at most if that if the entire rest of [TS]

  that wedge is nothing but cargo ship at most it's like six percent that's the ceiling for cargo ships in the water [TS]

  and C O two emissions [TS]

  and this is this is this is the it's like people focus on things that they can see that are obvious [TS]

  and they don't focus on thing. [TS]

  Things that they can't see well they also focus on things they can do this is that this is the I jot argument isn't [TS]

  about you know should I recycle I'm just one human out of all these billions [TS]

  and may recycling snow going to make a difference to anything so I'm not going to bother recycling [TS]

  and if everyone does that then nothing gets recycled. [TS]

  You've got you can only do what you can do you can only choose to go on a plane [TS]

  or a boat because that's a lot of the power over you can I can only decide my actions [TS]

  and I can't buy set just oh no I'm just such a small part of the patch otherwise no one does anything. [TS]

  If C O two is a problem you would tack it from the biggest problem. [TS]

  Downward the effect is much much better spend if you are looking at energy supply which is twenty six percent of C O [TS]

  two emissions that's where more than a quarter of C O two comes from and then industrial uses is twenty percent [TS]

  and then agriculture is fourteen percent the these are the places where it can actually have an effect [TS]

  but great I think small grassroots campaign sometimes late to those big things I know this is bit of a long bow [TS]

  and I don't know enough necessarily what's going to happen [TS]

  but if everyone in the way out suddenly said You know I'm not going on planes anymore I'm going on [TS]

  but it's because I think it's better for the environment all the politicians a stop sign. [TS]

  Lottie Hello the people of the way would really care about Cousin dark sort of a sudden maybe we should introduce more [TS]

  and more policies to do with this because they'll keep voting for us [TS]

  and then the start doing things to do with those bigger issues like power an agriculture [TS]

  and so I think saying let's not do something small because we need to attack the big problem first isn't necessarily [TS]

  true. Sometimes these little minor skirmishes can snowball into bigger things. [TS]

  The thing with that is what is your chance of having an effective small scale things snowball into a larger thing. [TS]

  This is the same argument of is is your action does it have any potential to be effective [TS]

  and my answer of of taking a cargo ship instead of a flight is now you have a zero percent chance of having any [TS]

  significant impact on the global transportation C O two emissions in this year the president of the United States [TS]

  that's pretty much the case for every single action every single human on Earth takes no one person can do anything on [TS]

  earth and if [TS]

  and if every single individual says that the nothing gets done though by anyone because we're all pointless you have to [TS]

  organize into effective groups what I get frustrated by is a certain kind of behavior that I see where people want to [TS]

  demonstrate to others their values like I feel like this is this is a kind of human signalling behavior where you want [TS]

  to take a highly visible [TS]

  but almost completely ineffectual action that demonstrates to others what kind of person you are this is a this is a [TS]

  seductive thing to do because you get positive reinforcement from your peers Oh look at you you care about the [TS]

  environment what a good person you are you get that positive reinforcement [TS]

  and then what I think is worse is that you feel like you've done something but you have affectively done nothing [TS]

  or you have actually helped nobody you haven't started a campaign you haven't prevented a single airplane from not [TS]

  flying once you know nothing nothing has occurred I don't know I think a lot of online activities can sometimes be like [TS]

  this where people just want to signal what side they're on [TS]

  and what great people they are in a way that causes no effective change [TS]

  and I think that's worse than doing nothing because you end up feeling like you have done something [TS]

  and you've accomplished nothing at all I think that mental state is worse like a. [TS]

  What do you think it over there well if it makes you feel better about yourself that can be good [TS]

  but yeah that is a whole different thing though that's not what people think they're doing all right. [TS]

  Well I carry your friend doesn't take that cargo ship because he thinks you know what I will be completely human factor [TS]

  been helping the environment [TS]

  but I'll feel better about myself if he was that honest with his motives then I've been like you know what dude that's [TS]

  awesome you go ahead and take that cargo ship you know everything starts with a small step. [TS]

  If everyone had your attitudes and they wouldn't pick up their rubbish as I dropped a piece of paper on the ground. [TS]

  I'd say well I'm not going to pick that up [TS]

  and put it in a big sis just one paisa rubbish one piece of paper on the grounds not going to make the whole world [TS]

  messy So what does my one piece of paper matter so everyone doing something doesn't count. [TS]

  Wit Where there is a problem [TS]

  and the point where the point you make has some strength is if all these people doing these little meaningless actions [TS]

  don't do other actions as a result of it because I think I've done that bit [TS]

  and then they don't do the things that to mete I guess the question I have here is if I care about. [TS]

  Cap'n dockside emissions really strongly what do you suggest I do. [TS]

  As just Jerry citizen you have to seriously think about how much you actually care about this topic [TS]

  and then if you are going to genuinely trying to move toward a solution [TS]

  and for a problem that's on the scale of something like C O two emissions in the world that means you're going to have [TS]

  to join an organization which is working toward your goals because you have no ability as a human to affect this as a [TS]

  single person that's just the out of the gate assumption nothing you do will affect this on a significant level. [TS]

  One way or the other. [TS]

  Let's say you take everything you own [TS]

  and you set it on fire because you hate the environment Well guess what your SEO to emissions don't matter [TS]

  and let's say you love the environment that you do the best thing you could possibly do for Mother Earth which is to [TS]

  kill yourself and to not use up any more resources ever again. [TS]

  Either one of those two extremes you have affected nothing as a human it doesn't matter if you kill the record [TS]

  when advocating that course of action. [TS]

  Well yes but that that is always the reductio ad absurdum of a lot of these arguments of ours you should use less [TS]

  and less [TS]

  and less as I well yeah the ultimate way that you can help mother if it is to be to not partake in her resources [TS]

  and to just remove yourself. [TS]

  Shuffle off that mortal coil Yeah right by them so my point is at the at the extreme ends uses it as an individual have [TS]

  no effect so the real question is do you care enough about this topic to actually give up. [TS]

  Non-trivial amounts of your time in your effort to join forces with other people [TS]

  and create a group that has the potential of affecting the actual outcome give them your money giving them money is [TS]

  also good [TS]

  but I think if you are not crossing that boundary you just want to think you're the kind of person who cares about this [TS]

  without actually having to to pay a lot of cost in terms of time [TS]

  or in terms of money so that's that's my perspective on it if you're not joining together with the group you're just [TS]

  you know you just feeling good about yourself you're just feeling good about yourself. [TS]

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  free trial of better internetting thank you to glue for supporting the show what's going on it rather this is a bad [TS]

  time for us to be recording stuff because this just happened last night [TS]

  but so we don't actually have the full real story but the C.E.O. [TS]

  Of red it has stepped down as of Friday night which is of course the best time if you ever want to bury some news to [TS]

  have anything happen which is late on a Friday. Isn't that right Mr news man. Yeah I guess yeah yeah. [TS]

  Stuff disappears over the weekend. Yeah worst time to do something bad. [TS]

  Monday morning putting out the trash that all the journalists want to go high. Exactly. So she has stepped down. [TS]

  This is Ellen how do you say how last time I presume with Powell [TS]

  but I've never heard it out loud so Adam a brother I can [TS]

  but she stepped down the change dot org petition that we mentioned last time. [TS]

  Reached two hundred intend something thousand names asking for her to step down and so an entire. [TS]

  Early unrelated maneuver her [TS]

  and the board decided it was time for them to part ways not because the public pressure at all [TS]

  but because of unrelated reason and so she is gone now. Well you say what do you think about this guy. [TS]

  Broadly speaking I would say that is welcome news is the way that I would describe it because she from my perspective [TS]

  was not doing a good job in her role as as C.E.O. [TS]

  I mean I read it is an unusual company for very many reasons they are in a an unusually difficult situation of how to [TS]

  manage this website when it is huge so it is not any the job for anybody [TS]

  but I think she was doing a bad job of it now I am more cautious than people might be expecting at this moment. [TS]

  Partly because again this is just happened very recently from our perspective so I don't have a lot of information I [TS]

  was trying to read as much as I could this morning but the [TS]

  but here's the thing she has a line in her resignation which I think is quite telling [TS]

  and worth focusing on in her resignation letter and read it she says quote so why am I leaving. [TS]

  Ultimately the board asked me to demonstrate higher user growth in the next six months then I believe I can deliver [TS]

  and quote I think a good way to always try to view the actions of other people is to give them the benefit of the doubt [TS]

  and assume that in their situation with the knowledge that they have they are trying to make the most rational [TS]

  decisions that they can that they are acting in their own self-interest and so while I did not like her as a C.E.O. [TS]

  I still try to think that well she's there's reasons for her actions she is under certain constraints [TS]

  and she is trying to act in a rational way around those constraints from from from her own self interest right I'm not [TS]

  I'm not saying rational in a benevolent way just rational like oh I'm a person of what am I going to do in the [TS]

  situation. And so this. [TS]

  This is a little bit of a window into that [TS]

  and just like with all companies it's sort of easy to forget because the C.E.O.'s are are so on center stage [TS]

  but C.E.O.'s are not the final word in their companies that that's a that's a real like a as Steve Jobs situation where [TS]

  he was in control of the whole board of his company is not the not the norm that is an exception. [TS]

  Yeah and so C.E.O.'s are the employees of the board. [TS]

  Yeah and so the next person who's coming on which is Steve Oh I forgot his last name. [TS]

  Steve Huffman I think funding is one of the around us yet he was one of the co-founders of Reddit he's coming on board [TS]

  as C.E.O. [TS]

  Now he is going to be put in the same situation that Ellen pow wows [TS]

  and if he doesn't have a controlling interest in the stock he is ultimately responsible to the board as well [TS]

  and so that's why I say it is welcome news that Ellen POW is gone because I think that even [TS]

  when she was acting in her own self interest she was just doing a terrible job as C.E.O. [TS]

  But there were still constraints that she was trying to meet [TS]

  and Steve Huffman is going to be in the same position now maybe he can be very charming [TS]

  and convince the board that his way is the right way [TS]

  and he'll almost certainly be better at knowing how to deftly execute change than Ellen powers who seem to have a [TS]

  particular to a new year for the Internet it's welcome news [TS]

  but I'm not throwing a ticker tape parade for the next C.E.O. [TS]

  Because I don't think that all of the problems of the things that I disagree with about Reddit reside with the C.E.O. [TS]

  and I think it's a structural issue like the company it has the boards there are you know there are higher powers that [TS]

  want read it to be profitable in the way the traditional companies are so I am cautiously optimistic about the whole [TS]

  situation but not some people are just throwing a big party like the Wicked Witch of the West has been killed [TS]

  and now all of Oz will be magical again I don't think that that's that's a good assessment of where we are what are you [TS]

  thinking over there. [TS]

  Well I don't have the same affection for read it to heat a lot Gretta I use it every day I get a lot of value from A [TS]

  and I think that a lot of interesting people on a entertainment [TS]

  but I was I think there are a lot of people on the worry me I think read it has a wiring streak through it. [TS]

  Of May nests and if read it was a person on the show I would be friends with it. [TS]

  Well as you read I read it would be a crazy person because of the it's a conglomeration of so many people. [TS]

  Yeah yeah yeah of course the size everything so is Twitter and sorry Facebook and says everything [TS]

  but I don't use that I don't get that same feeling from those Web sites that I get from read it [TS]

  but the other thing is I think this was a lynch mob and I don't know much about this woman you say she was a bad seed. [TS]

  You obviously have some insights into the red at management that I have because I don't know whether it was her that [TS]

  was managing badly it was other things going on I'll take the word for of people who say say I'm not a new into [TS]

  criticising companies as a hoe and was even management teams as to how I don't always like it [TS]

  when individuals get criticized publicly [TS]

  and I feel like this woman has been publicly lynched by over two hundred thousand people [TS]

  and maybe she didn't deserve her job maybe she maybe it was right for her to go [TS]

  but the way in which she's gone makes me feel uncomfortable. [TS]

  Are too uncomfortable two hundred thousand people from a Web site that read it can just suddenly stop or Titian [TS]

  and say we don't like this person and within a few days they go on this she was not a democratically elected later [TS]

  and I feel like she's been publicly lynched and maybe she's the worst C.E.O. In the history of C.S. [TS]

  and Maybe this is the best thing that's ever happened to read it the why the way it is unfolded from someone who has no [TS]

  knowledge of what's going on and is watched as a spectator. Makes me feel bad. [TS]

  I doesn't make me feels like I don't know how to our woods are so sorry for her I don't know enough about her [TS]

  but I just started like this publicly inching I think I think there's a lot of vigilanteism going on on the Internet [TS]

  based eyes [TS]

  and this is what if it was a bit there's a lot in what you're saying the thing that's different about Reddit is that a [TS]

  couple things first month when I say my evaluation of L. [TS]

  and POW it's coming entirely from the thing that she has written like the announcements that she has posted under her [TS]

  name on the website. Fair enough and I don't know how she acted. Inside the company. [TS]

  Yeah I can just know how she acted on Reddit [TS]

  and I would say she was a terrible Reddit User she interacted with the community very poorly [TS]

  and so that's what that's how I am a valuating her because because this is again this is why I read it is so weird [TS]

  because [TS]

  but cry you don't have to be a good car driver to run General Motors you are right your General Motors analogy is [TS]

  perfect I was trying to think of some other C.E.O.'s [TS]

  and their like ability scores we can you Steve Jobs is a historical example of him being very divisive I think a better [TS]

  modern example that came into my head is I don't know his name but the guy who's the C.E.O. [TS]

  Of her right now if think it is broadly fair to say that the C.E.O. [TS]

  Of birth is an abrasive person and that there are lots of people who do not like the C.E.O. [TS]

  Of Hoover for various reasons. Yeah but his situation is different be. [TS]

  Because his company can say Well who gives a crap if people like the C.E.O. [TS]

  or Is he good at running for that's the only relevant question there if I'd like I'm on the board of her [TS]

  and I look at that C.E.O. [TS]

  and I look at the the amazing growth it would burn his had [TS]

  and I look at his his personality my response is what I don't care if he's the meanest jerk in the world from the [TS]

  perspective of a company whose company is doing amazing it's like so keep this guy on board even if he makes ridiculous [TS]

  public statements that are terrible. Making money will silence your critics very quickly. [TS]

  Exactly but the problem with Read it is that read it is not manufacturing anything. [TS]

  Red It's not selling i Phones that people buy red it's not providing services the whole thing that read it has is the [TS]

  audience of people who are there [TS]

  and you can say to a large extent the people are there as a result of the efforts of all of the volunteers we were [TS]

  talking about last time the moderators the people who run the various communities [TS]

  and even in my own small way like I am the moderator on the siege be gray sub read it [TS]

  and so I'm like I'm directing people to that sub read it to have conversations [TS]

  and I interact with the people there you know this in my own small way I'm bringing a little bit of an audience to read [TS]

  it and then you multiply that across the thousands and thousands of sub RADDATZ And that's what the audience is. [TS]

  Yeah so since since for it doesn't sell anything a big part of the C.E.O.'s job is keep the moderators happy so the [TS]

  audience stays here. And that's why if read it has a C.E.O. [TS]

  That is extremely divisive and to me [TS]

  and that the community doesn't like this is a problem in the way that it is not a problem for oh most any other company [TS]

  it Perry says it's a business travel of a Sufi Yes it is a business threat if I'm a board member [TS]

  and I say if people don't like the C.E.O. Of this company it is a it is a problem. [TS]

  One last thing on the popularity issue is that I think it is very interesting that the board appointed Steve Huffman [TS]

  verses there are other obvious choice which is a guy called Alexis Ohanian I never know how to pronounce his last name [TS]

  but Steve and Alexis these guys were the co-founders of read it it's really interesting that I've found read it [TS]

  when it was first announced on Paul Graham's blog talking about these two guys a put together this discussion website [TS]

  why don't you go take a look like way back in the day and Steve adds in at some point. [TS]

  Stephen Alexis both all their shares in the company and they went off to do other things. [TS]

  Steve founded a company which is now called Hipmunk which is the travel search website was very good I really like it [TS]

  and Alexis eventually came back to read it and Alexis has been at Reddit for I don't know the past two [TS]

  or three years I'm not sure exactly on those numbers [TS]

  but the interesting thing is that if you were the board you feel like Oh Alexis is the obvious choice he's well known [TS]

  by the community and he's been working at rather why don't we appoint him is the C.E.O. He's one of the co-founders. [TS]

  But I think the board knew that Alexis has also burned a lot of his credit with the community because he was putting [TS]

  his name on a lot of the same announcements that were causing controversy at Reddit [TS]

  and he also had a remarkable ten year when there were problems going on [TS]

  and I'm everyone keeps posting it all the time [TS]

  but people were asking him you know what what are you one of the highest level people are ready going to do to fix the [TS]

  situation and he was making jokey comments that were saying oh boy I'm just going to take out some popcorn [TS]

  and you didn't watch all this drama. [TS]

  Slink dude jokes about popcorn are totally fine when you're a user [TS]

  but you you sound like you are Nero watching this whole thing burned like it's not funny [TS]

  when you are one of the people who's supposed to be fixing this problem [TS]

  and so I just think that the board made this interesting choice of OK we want to try to have some [TS]

  but someone who has history with this company [TS]

  but we're not going to go with the guy who was the co-founder who's actually been here we're going to go with the guy [TS]

  who's the co-founder who left so I think they're trying to start with as as clean a slate as possible because I think [TS]

  that Alexis has been kind of sullied a little bit by having been at Reddit for the past two years so that's I think [TS]

  that's just interesting that they went was DB over a Lexus That's all I want to say about that he just might read a [TS]

  sound like this kind of childish hive of babies that you Dan not pissed off because they're all this bunch of crazy [TS]

  people that will just carry insane if you make one little moves that don't like it it just sounds unhealthy to make [TS]

  right it doesn't sound healthy I'm sorry it just sounds weird I just doesn't sound like any other business I know that [TS]

  would be so beholden to they say mobile I think part of the problem is just that people are complaining that things [TS]

  haven't been going well I mean this is a small example the the Reddit app that I use which is called a. [TS]

  Elian blew on the i Pad It used to be developed by this just single guy who made it on his own [TS]

  and then read it purchased it I don't know maybe two years ago [TS]

  and since they bought it it basically hasn't been updated. [TS]

  Ever and they fix none of the bugs and that's the kind of thing that just makes people angry [TS]

  when they say OK look someone was just making this great thing and then you purchased it [TS]

  and it seems like it has just died [TS]

  and the similar things with the tools for the moderators having just never been improved over long periods of time so [TS]

  it's not like it's not like people are angry for no reason they're angry because the things that they used to run [TS]

  or view this site have problems [TS]

  and haven't been fixed two people complained about everything people complain about Apple products people complained [TS]

  that Windows is rubbish people are always complaining about everything that's big. [TS]

  Oh yeah but red you don't see quite the same. [TS]

  Repercussions if well two hundred thousand people signed a petition saying that Tim Cook should guy because the apple [TS]

  which is a paper rubbish on a thing at other you think it would even be a ripple on the pond Apple. [TS]

  Well again Apple is not in the same business as read it this is the problem [TS]

  and that the transition cost to going to a Reddit clone is very low if they make [TS]

  and of people angry enough people move to another Web site. [TS]

  Again we talked about this last time I think it is kicking the can down the road for problems. [TS]

  Yeah but it doesn't change the fact that the reason that the C.E.O. [TS]

  Of red it has to be responsive to the community is that it's a it's a fragile thing this episode hello internet has [TS]

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  you really short an order is really the way to guard I've got the massive range they got a really good system they've [TS]

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  books in fact just late it's not I know I've got about two hours on the road to go [TS]

  and pick someone up from the train station [TS]

  and the reason I'm looking forward to it is because I know that's two hours I'm just going to be able to relax. [TS]

  Concentrate on the road of course but really just enjoy two hours of a book [TS]

  and the book I'm enjoying at the moment is eleven twenty two sixty three by Stephen King I don't know if the tell you [TS]

  cite to say eleven slash twenty to slash sixty three not quite sure what the right way to say it is because it refers [TS]

  to the date and refers to the assassination of J.F.K. [TS]

  It's a time traveling book I'm only a few chapters into it so I don't exactly know what's going to happen [TS]

  but I'm really really enjoying it I was actually telling gray just before the show that I'm enjoying it [TS]

  and he was telling me that his dad has recommended it to him [TS]

  and he may be catching its own as well so I don't know if I'm listening to it. [TS]

  If Grace listening to [TS]

  or there's a chance it may come up at some stage on the pod cast I don't know I'm not really setting as homework [TS]

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  and then you can buy as many as you want after that you get these credits every month so you can get a new book each [TS]

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  Audiobooks are really good value because well the last few hours days weeks lots of entertainment lots of bang via back [TS]

  of also discussed for if you get a book and you don't like it. [TS]

  Such as maybe getting things done you can just tell them you get your money [TS]

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  and if you do get a free book maybe eleven twenty two sixty three of the the want to see a bit time travel be a J F K. [TS]

  Stephen King's legend can't go wrong. [TS]

  Well that was relaxing So now you're moving on to something I actually am ready fired up about interest free will [TS]

  follow up. [TS]

  I've had enough of that [TS]

  when you talk about the nature of the commenters on Reddit versus the nature of everybody he you're complaining to me [TS]

  that you got piled on on the Read it for your view that free will exists [TS]

  and did not remember complaining to about that I don't actually completely think that's my position either like hosts [TS]

  kind of just arguing with you and put so I just Anyway I have to know [TS]

  when you're talking at me in the hell of it not because you actually think we're three before I start as well about a [TS]

  papal how deny if you have no idea who I am [TS]

  and you just think on this cave man goes on a pod cast with your beloved C G P gray just like the Ten seconds go to [TS]

  lock my website [TS]

  and have a look at what I do for my job because I spent the last ten years pretty much exclusively interviewing [TS]

  physicists and mathematicians and whose scientists unlike. [TS]

  Like every day of my life is just consumed by science [TS]

  and I'm not like some guy who has never heard of quantum mechanics or over a lot of these physics principles [TS]

  and I understand all the arguments and I'm a really big fan of science and I really love or so a lot [TS]

  and doesn't mean that I'm right or wrong about stuff [TS]

  but I just get I'm getting a few quite condescending messages about like not maybe that I don't know anything about [TS]

  science and I don't know I don't have a science degree and I am quite ignorant about lots of things [TS]

  but I'm not like some anti science. [TS]

  Hippy who use like hitchhiking to San Francisco it because I want to go to a music festival. [TS]

  I'm really can shamed by science guy who really loves all this stuff and I'm really familiar with the arguments [TS]

  and also saying Oh have you ever heard of Richard fun [TS]

  and like what we were saying was so obviously inspired by the famous Richard Fineman stuff about a flower that we just [TS]

  didn't say it. Yeah like it's a bit silly it's a bit and it's become a part of the Converse A Yeah. [TS]

  FLOCK like every time we talk about energy mass acquittal it's we don't have to mention that it was on Star [TS]

  and he says he's cracked that not it's just that's like that's a known thing. [TS]

  So anyway so it's a little bit frustrating if anybody anywhere ever references freebooting Now I want you to mention [TS]

  Brady Aaron is the creator of that I hope the time comes where paper like where you don't have to mention Brady hair [TS]

  and he's obviously the father of three they're eating right [TS]

  and everyone will just know character that of if Also if you if you want to never hear a condescending comment again I [TS]

  suggest you never go on the internet again. [TS]

  Good for it I was I saw a like sides very minor criticisms of you saying that you were trying to like Palm awful this [TS]

  famous philosopher as your own life because you didn't cite every single yeah. [TS]

  Idea an argument that you made with like a reference and an attribution to that I thought to be a star. [TS]

  He on that one to say obviously when you see when other of us took a drawing on just all the stuff we've read [TS]

  and heard no other voices so amazing that we're coming up with a letter [TS]

  and new ideas that the what an intellectual life is you read and you think and you accept [TS]

  and you reject what else can there be any way to this is sort of to get back on point then that I was really surprised [TS]

  that I don't know if you you would agree with this [TS]

  but I got the general sense from the read a comment that most of the people in that discussion we're on my side would [TS]

  you say that's a fair assessment. Yeah right I found that really surprising. No I didn't notice no. [TS]

  I enjoy bring up free will as a topic of conversation with people and I am constantly surprised by. [TS]

  How in real life so ho vastly fewer people agree with me that I expect you agree with me I feel like oh I have the [TS]

  obvious obviously correct opinion here. [TS]

  Free will is just an illusion and almost any group setting even [TS]

  when I am so confident that almost everyone around the table will agree with me. [TS]

  Almost everybody doesn't so I was interested in the red to say like oh this is a different demographic because in my [TS]

  normal life I'm like a unlike a crazy person on the street with a sign like the end is near people yeah buddy whatever [TS]

  how in the red it was it just seemed very reverse of my normal experience [TS]

  when I have this conversation with people that say it's funny that you think are mice think like the position you are [TS]

  putting was almost the more cliched position these days. [TS]

  A mug sort of science he's not I think that your position is almost cliche in its sort of everywhere oh where oh [TS]

  predestined and everything's you know already in position and [TS]

  and the the machine just running running its course now it may be the people that you're interacting with [TS]

  but my experience has been even with very science the people there is a I find there's a much smaller percentage of [TS]

  people who take my stance than I expect there would be something that you think that was discussion was so much about [TS]

  free will [TS]

  and that that was really just didn't stick with made a free will stuff report may an author I was more interested in [TS]

  the stuff about beauty and knowledge and whether it's better to know stuff and not nice stuff [TS]

  and the free will stuff was like oh I was really couldn't and then everyone thinks [TS]

  and then I was reading people saying Brady your analogy has nothing at all to do with free will [TS]

  and I'm not I was even talking about free will [TS]

  and I was talking about single that thing they'll We had like three deep philosophical conversations in far too short a [TS]

  period of time that we're not really related to each other I was really where is that [TS]

  when editing at a Lego revocable different cover these [TS]

  and now I tell you what are the thing I come away from from the whole thing the how to cope [TS]

  and I found the comment six or sing a foundry in the car I didn't read most of my found the whole thing exhausting [TS]

  and this is the thing I've realized their own different personality types in the wild. [TS]

  I've learned a certain personality type that has more. [TS]

  Stringent requirements has more is more inflexible when it comes to the use of analogy. [TS]

  Metaphors and things like that I really believe this and I believe you are very much in that category. [TS]

  And there's a few other people a mile of her in that category and I think the people in a sub read [TS]

  or a lot of them are also very much in that category and I'm not in that category and I'm not saying one is right [TS]

  and one is wrong but we're definitely on very different pages when it comes to analogies. [TS]

  Oh yeah yeah without a doubt [TS]

  and it drives me absolutely bonkers I sent you like I sent you a jokey I sent you a joke a little Katerina I made which [TS]

  was of you and I and I know I was saying gee [TS]

  when the first people's land on my this is going to be a moment much like when humans first set foot on the moon [TS]

  and then my Jakey C.D.P. Gray is replying the tell you are nothing alike. [TS]

  Mars is a planet the Marin is a satellite of the earth and the Marin has virtually no was fear [TS]

  and mass does have it I don't know I don't I know this is crazy and I think that's an exaggerated example [TS]

  and of course he would contend to you [TS]

  but the face of the funny thing as I've been thinking about analogies to talk about your difficulty with analogies [TS]

  everytime I think of when I think now that won't work for Greg but because because he can do it you can't do it [TS]

  but you you have very strict you find flaws in them that actually you should be finding you gotta finish a comic story [TS]

  though because you sent me that thing in my media reply with that. [TS]

  Your you trying to write dialogue for me came off of the thing that I would never ever say that I would actually in [TS]

  your comic. [TS]

  Agree with the sentence that you made like I would agree with your position that it's like it's a it's a big thing [TS]

  and you probably know I have yet you trying to imagine what I'm saying. [TS]

  You come up with me arguing against a position where I actually agree with you [TS]

  but you're making my point for me right now. [TS]

  Even when someone is using like a comical something as analogy you take its own literally [TS]

  and you look for like the the truth of little so much that you don't get that it's like an exaggerated situation that [TS]

  would that's not the actual situation that is being used to illustrate a point I understand that it's a common Yeah [TS]

  but seriously still you're arguing with me saying why robot comics all wrong because that's not what I would say it was [TS]

  like a parody it was a joke that was like exaggerating the point another one another way I think about [TS]

  and I've been thinking about this a bit like me a pair of Oakes Yes the masters of ambiguous communication a parable. [TS]

  Exactly exactly the fact that you that's how you describe a parable makes my point for me exactly this if you one thing [TS]

  make sure that your message will be interpreted in a vast variety of different waves. Use a parable. [TS]

  No [TS]

  but that's the problem you see you focus on the wrong things you focus on the wrong points in a parable visit there's a [TS]

  there's a point that's been made and someone's trying to make it [TS]

  and then you're looking at all these other little tensions inside details and drives me bonkers. [TS]

  Draws people because I know now it drives me bonkers to his oath about this and I don't know how you'll react to this. [TS]

  Not well whatever dude. [TS]

  There is a kind of thinking that I really value but that I I don't think I can do very well myself [TS]

  and there's a topic I have later in the show on a few minor get to it today [TS]

  but the release of this which is arguments from first principles I don't think that I'm very good at looking at a [TS]

  problem and then breaking it down into first principles and then trying to build it up from there [TS]

  but I do think that's the best kind of arguments and thinking that can be done and I love that kind of thinking [TS]

  but I often find myself feeling that when I am not able to do that I have to fall back on. [TS]

  Analogies to and if you listen to us. [TS]

  Argue I use analogies as well as in my mind I feel like every time I use an analogy [TS]

  and I'm not doing something from first principles. [TS]

  I have basically failed in arguing [TS]

  and that the analogy is just like a like a drowning man grasping at anything trying to make an argument that's the way [TS]

  I feel about out analogies because whatever what always happens [TS]

  when you argue an analogy that you always end up arguing about the specifics [TS]

  and like where does the analogy breaks down [TS]

  and I just I don't think an analogy there are the are great literary tools [TS]

  but they're not angry have to work for the analogy to break down that it's that's the problem with people on the [TS]

  Internet they think everything is a challenge [TS]

  and a not to be cracked they think anytime someone makes an analogy it's almost a sport of finding the point where the [TS]

  analogy breaks down instead of looking for where an analogy or metaphor breaks down look for the value in it. [TS]

  Take that and discard the rest. Don't you don't always have to be poking and prodding and looking for flaws. [TS]

  An analogy let me talk about beauty for a second. [TS]

  Talk about puberty a lot of people took issue with me saying that I think things can be more beautiful [TS]

  when you turn to know all the details it's going on I was saying the fireman video about flowers being more beautiful [TS]

  when you know the science that's not always true things are always more awesome an amazing [TS]

  when you know everything that's going on [TS]

  but they're not always more beautiful let me use Scarlett you're handsome I for some reason over the time has become a [TS]

  character in Africa. [TS]

  Character in your mind in the pod goes no other thing Audie think are that of a select the wood writers F.A.V. [TS]

  Person but she's a pretty lady and we we've used here in the past as an example of a pretty lady. [TS]

  So we're going to she's going to be our example of a pretty she's going to be after tea lady OK. [TS]

  Scalia Hansen is not looking not looking person she is attractive and considered beautiful to a lot of people yes. [TS]

  Scalia Hanson has like blood [TS]

  and muscle going on she has brown mush going through her intestines that sometimes comes out of her she has sweat [TS]

  accumulating under her pits she has bacteria under her toenails these zero part of her skull that you hence it is [TS]

  but when you start thinking about all that stuff some of that kind of a pretty a nice mess goes away. [TS]

  That's the reality of her [TS]

  and it's amazing she's an amazing machine like all the rest of us with all of this incredible complexity that we should [TS]

  marvel at but it's not really what you want to think about [TS]

  when you want to just admire something for being just pretty and nice and if you think I'm wrong [TS]

  and you think she is more amazing when you think about all those things so she's more pretty [TS]

  when you think about all those things that's fair enough and I respect your opinion [TS]

  and you can take that opinion to the grave [TS]

  but you must realize that that's not the image of her that she used in advertising that's not the image of her that is [TS]

  Patricia in movie posters or in films in the Perry fume T.V. [TS]

  Commercials so you are in the minority if you think that [TS]

  and that doesn't mean you're not entitled to think that that you are in the minority [TS]

  and most people think that Scarlett Johansson is pretty a [TS]

  when you disregard all of the complexity that is going on at that kind of biological price level my statement was that [TS]

  it doesn't detract but that knowing about the thing in more detail doesn't detract from its beauty. [TS]

  Well if my unclear if that included all of that in the ad I mean of course everyone knows she's a human who goes to the [TS]

  toilet but if they included that in the ad I argue it would detract. [TS]

  Yeah but that's because who is not attractive I mean for most people. [TS]

  Thank you to pay basically pay was not expensive sums up my argument and yet and so people are wired. [TS]

  I'm so sorry for the people but yeah go for your brain is it is not attractive [TS]

  and yet it is part of the reality of humans [TS]

  and that's what I'm saying about some of these other things once you know all of the reality the thing can be less [TS]

  attractive it's still more amazing but and too is amazing. But it's not attractive. It's not it's not. [TS]

  Poetically attractive it's not it's just not it's not that nice [TS]

  but the thing that makes the thing that makes Scarlett Johansson attractive. Has nothing to do with those things. [TS]

  That's why knowing about them doesn't attract everything everything about her that makes her attractive to other people [TS]

  is on the outside of her visible on the you know greater than zero. [TS]

  Half a centimeter scale that is the part of her that is attractive physically is not the insides of her intestines if I [TS]

  am on a picnic with someone say my wife and we're having a a remand to moment and a rainbow comes out there [TS]

  and it's just happy it's just a happy nine right if I was to then start describing to have a house a lot was refracting [TS]

  and reflecting through the rain drops and started talking about some of the science [TS]

  and the optics of Rambo Yes I think that would detract from the moment we're having for her OK [TS]

  but we're not talking about does it detract from the beauty of a rainbow. [TS]

  We're now talking about the particulars of what your love which of what your wife likes in a romantic moment. [TS]

  That's two different things. She's a person on the person I'm just saying people people need to understand that. [TS]

  It's good to know everything but when you know everything I think some of the I'm not going to use that [TS]

  and what it because people get really upset about I need to think of a better word no [TS]

  but I know what you mean I know what you mean that the like there is nothing that feel like the word the N. [TS]

  Word is a bad word but yeah I I know what you're talking about [TS]

  but I think this is partly that I'm discussing beauty in a in a more narrow almost definitional way yeah it's [TS]

  prosperous. Was it good. [TS]

  I clear my name on one thing about this free will and then [TS]

  and then we'll move on I did want to clear my name here for all the people in the Reddit who as you were saying were [TS]

  being picky about to see G.P. [TS]

  Gray not know that quantum mechanics exist why does he keep talking about their monistic universe right this is a [TS]

  problem you are having. I didn't take a little moment here for my own gods. [TS]

  Yeah deterministic was not the best word to use because I tend to use this in a in a broader way I used a lot of like [TS]

  how I use magic. Yeah that was this is exactly if I were both taking our turns doing the exact same thing. [TS]

  So I would view something like a set of dice as deterministic in the sense that we might not be able to do to know what [TS]

  number is going to come up when you roll dice [TS]

  but everything there is to know about rolling dice that we know we know the bell curve distribution that seven is [TS]

  what's going to come up the most into and twelve are going to come up the least often that this is known [TS]

  and that everything about dice behavior is described by that situation and so we could very well live [TS]

  and pro most certainly live in a universe where human nature is fundamentally probabilistic because quantum mechanics [TS]

  is probable a stick but that doesn't change the fact that if you if you knew everything about the brain and Adams [TS]

  and everything else you could start drawing bell curves for human activities in the same way that you can draw a bell [TS]

  curve for dice [TS]

  when people talk about still having free will under those circumstances to me it's still just randomness. [TS]

  It's like if you had a self-aware set of dice and you roll them [TS]

  and every time the dice tell you I chose to roll a for this time I chose to roll it. [TS]

  Well this time that I felt like rolling [TS]

  but you know that if you keep rolling those dice It always produces this perfect bell curve like nothing those dice [TS]

  could say could convince me it's making choices [TS]

  when I have a mathematical model that perfectly predicts in a sadistical manner what choices that dice makes So I think [TS]

  that that the most accurate way to describe it might be that humans are shockingly complicated dice that are really [TS]

  good at convincing themselves they're picking the numbers they're rolling. [TS]

  But I don't think that's that's any more free will than if the universe was deterministic in the more narrow sense of [TS]

  it's all cogging yours at the bottom and then and humans [TS]

  and a system that could ever become chaotic it may very well be that on long time scales in the universe it becomes [TS]

  very hard to make predictions [TS]

  but even systems that we traditionally describe as chaotic like the weather is a good example the weather is still [TS]

  bounded by probability curves [TS]

  and this this is still the same thing of sure you can't know what the weather is going to be like three hundred sixty [TS]

  five days from now [TS]

  but you can lay out bell curve to give you the probabilities of what the weather will be within certain ranges it's not [TS]

  going to be twenty million Kelvin and is not going to be zero Kelvin or we get we can bounce what that's going to be [TS]

  and the other problem that I have with this is there's a I don't know how to call it [TS]

  but if I feel there's a bit of a like as Xeno's paradox in free will that sure over long periods of time it's very hard [TS]

  but if you start making the time period shorter and shorter [TS]

  and shorter like the room for free will also decreases because if you can predict very accurately what at what someone [TS]

  is going to do a tenth of a second from now every tenth of a second. [TS]

  Well now you can just pull a that threw over a longer period of time. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and you just keep updating your model with what is the exact situation of the universe right now so that's where it still [TS]

  feels to me like I don't I still don't see where the free will isn't any of this I think is really just like dice in my [TS]

  brain and it feels like free will but it isn't you know how you have to scrape sites in technology [TS]

  and think things are going to be a set and when you talk a lot of a how computers going to be able to do this that [TS]

  and whatnot. [TS]

  Do you have a think that you think corrupted [TS]

  or influenced by that fact you happen to be living at a time of incredible technological advancement because I I was [TS]

  I've got a couple of magazines in my house that were sort of from the fifty's and sixty's [TS]

  and they were written at a time of incredible advancement in human space exploration. [TS]

  When ever been if things were just extraordinary [TS]

  and these things magazines a clot a cause in the talking about what we're going to be doing [TS]

  and am moon bases in nineteen eighty hand how will all be on mass by the intervention and obviously things changed [TS]

  and things have slowed down. Quite a bit from what people thought were going to happen. [TS]

  Your living at a time when computers [TS]

  and technology is going to incredible right are you a bit like the dazzle to journalists who are rotting in those [TS]

  magazines about moon bases [TS]

  and mass bases with all your outlandish predictions for all the things that technology is going to be able to read in [TS]

  the next twenty fifty one hundred years [TS]

  and in a couple of hundred years is a possible something's going to happen like what happened to human space [TS]

  exploration the things that changed and paper going to look back at your videos [TS]

  and your comments in the things you think and think well that's kind of slate [TS]

  and obviously he was a product of the time he was living in [TS]

  but gosh things didn't go that quick things stopped suddenly. [TS]

  Oh yeah yeah I mean we all can't help [TS]

  but be a product of our time the the only thing I'll say about that are two points one. [TS]

  I'm often really frustrated by people going back in time and then finding ridiculous predictions for the future [TS]

  and I think that's a very easy very fun game to play and especially [TS]

  when people play the game where they act as though movies were in the business of making accurate predictions like oh [TS]

  we're supposed to have hoverboard by now where's my her board is twenty fifteen [TS]

  and is twenty fifteen it back to the future like go back to the future wasn't in the job of trying to make any kind of [TS]

  realistic prediction can can you know put a little bit of that of many of these great just a little bit like just sort [TS]

  of a general like cultural thing like no because I'm not interested in what moviegoers think the future is going to be [TS]

  like a much more interested in what do you professionals working in the field. Think is going. [TS]

  Happen and [TS]

  but I'm not the snow at least partly coloured by that I mean yeah in the sense that people who make up stories are [TS]

  influenced by the real world but I'm not going to look at the maker uppers for the predictions. [TS]

  I'm much more interested in what scientists working at the time had to say [TS]

  and they're again one of the clear you find all kinds of crazy predictions there as well [TS]

  but I find that they are often more bounded by reality but you [TS]

  and I have an interest in the space exploration time in very different ways because I I think that a lot of the space [TS]

  exploration stuff was like this amazing anomaly in technological progress in time the happenstance of politics [TS]

  and the happenstance of the level of technology that existed and the economies at the time. [TS]

  Allowed an enormous amount of human time effort [TS]

  and money to be poured into a technology which was not really practical at the time [TS]

  but was still able to achieve results [TS]

  and so that's partly why I think a lot of the will be in space by the two thousand predictions are off because there [TS]

  was there was this weird anomaly occurring Paypal and taking that sort of ski into account. [TS]

  Yeah that there there was like a there was like a future discount bias here something like like where we're massively [TS]

  investing in this and. [TS]

  It turns out that it can't pay off on the time scales that we needed to to keep up this investment for twenty thirty [TS]

  years. [TS]

  Which Which is precisely what we saw happened right funding just as dramatically dropped in general [TS]

  and I think we're getting close now to the time with Space X. [TS]

  and Other projects where we're really beginning to get into the world of space exploration might be with part of called [TS]

  the Jason possible of technologies we have enough other stuff now that makes this easier [TS]

  but we really weren't there at that time [TS]

  and the only I wish I had other comparison the only thing I can think of is this famous story about Richard Fineman was [TS]

  very interested in nanotechnology which is a thing that I was interested in as well in college which is the the [TS]

  technology of building atomic scale machines and he wanted to promote the growth of this field [TS]

  and so he had a competition to create a functioning electric motor that was something like five millimeters in size he [TS]

  wanted someone to be able to make a tiny electric motor as the first step towards nanotechnology [TS]

  and he offered a prize. But the problem was he was thinking that in order to build a motor that that was that small. [TS]

  Someone would need to grow it's like a mold or something you couldn't build this with traditional structures [TS]

  but it turns out that that was just on the scale that precision jewellers with the right magnifying to glasses could [TS]

  actually with the right tools physically constructs [TS]

  and so I think the space race might be something like that where the goal is to get to the moon [TS]

  and in the sixty's we just had the technology to hit that goal [TS]

  but to not hit it in a sustainable way I think O'Mara nice to that that in summary is why I think the predictions were [TS]

  overly optimistic about where will be was based trouble in there [TS]

  and you don't think do you think any of those factors are at play now that I'm making a really optimistic Yes Of So [TS]

  that's that's coming coming back to this is I don't see that same kind of thing what I see instead is massive demand [TS]

  for more computing power at a lower cost. [TS]

  Just from all sections of the economy has massive poll here [TS]

  and so that's why there are also there's also lots of human time effort [TS]

  and resources spent on increasing computing power [TS]

  and all kinds of ways so I think I'm I'm less likely to be wrong about. [TS]

  Increased and accelerating technological change but I'm always open to the possibility that I'm wrong. [TS]

  There may there may be physical boundaries in the structure of the universe that we are unaware of that limit [TS]

  technological progress there's no rule of the universe that says computers will always double in speed you know there [TS]

  may be some some limit that we start pressing up against the totally stopped us it may also be that there are just [TS]

  things that we can't do that humans are not smart enough as a species to accomplish various things I almost think it's [TS]

  a miracle and hunting for that word lightly. How much our monkey brains can do. [TS]

  Here's no reason that monkeys swinging from trees should be able to develop brings a can do calculus it's astounding [TS]

  how pliable the human brain is and it's easy to think oh wow are such an amazing species look how smart we are [TS]

  but there's some limit we're not infinitely smart [TS]

  and so we may run up against just some biological limit of our own smartness even if there isn't a limit in the [TS]

  universe so there are there are ways that this could stop [TS]

  but I I don't see evidence for those limits so for the moment I'm kind of assuming that they don't exist [TS]

  and the route it really is a limit to your snotty this is definitely a limit to my smart [TS]

  and say I think that limit is going down the older I get that feeling. [TS]

  Yeah to fill out I feel dumber than I did years ago I feel like I was smarter do you think your best days are behind [TS]

  you. My best with the days of intellectual worker behind me that's for sure. [TS]

  Maybe not my my best days in terms of enjoyment of life but in terms of raw brain processing ability. [TS]

  Yeah I mean you're you're over the hill it twenty six. [TS]

  Enact in that field you want to be a top physicist I hope you get started soon you know that's a that's a goal there [TS]

  are your best days as a youtube filmmaker behind you I think it's possible that the humans need not apply video might [TS]

  be the high water mark of anything I ever produce. [TS]

  Yeah this is a good idea it's a good video what I'm saying is I would own I don't want that to be the case obviously [TS]

  but I'm open to the possibility that that might be the best thing that I ever make in terms of things that I think are [TS]

  good you know view numbers is a different thing [TS]

  but if I'm looking back on the body of work that I do I can I can imagine on my death bed thinking you know that was [TS]

  probably the best forty years ago when on ever. [TS]

  Everybody has a high water mark some point and you know what it's not the day before you die. [TS]

  Usually the house you're very unlucky. [TS]

  Yeah yeah what about your your your best video making days ahead of you breeding I mean your way older than me I think. [TS]

  The amount of time I have is what dictates what I make and how good what I make is more than more than my abilities [TS]

  and I think on the Kola I'm really busy at the moment and I have so much today [TS]

  and sometimes that means I can spend as long and making things good or thinking about a creative way to do it [TS]

  and I think if I was able to carve out some time here [TS]

  and there I could still make some pretty some pretty great things some things that are better them of night before [TS]

  but as as you get out or New get more responsibilities [TS]

  and loss finding that time becomes hada I don't think my brain's not capable of a little odd so I'm just finding out [TS]

  how to find the time. [TS]

  Well maybe I need more time maybe that maybe that is part of getting out [TS]

  and I am here is the thing is that you're missing out on time [TS]

  or finding it harder finding it harder to find time is part of getting old [TS]

  but your audience in many ways is is an interest in the particulars of your life you are a black box that produces [TS]

  videos and whether it's time or your intellectual capability or your interest [TS]

  or whatever it is the internal workings of the black box. [TS]

  People aren't interested in so do you think that the black box that is Brady Herrin will produce better work in the [TS]

  future than it has in the past. [TS]

  Whatever the constraints are the people don't care about yes I had to [TS]

  and the reason for that is I think my Shia processing power and my C.P.U. [TS]

  Is not the be all and end all of how good the stuff I create is and in fact it's not. [TS]

  That important and and I really big factor in how good the stuff I make is [TS]

  and I think this is true feel as well that you didn't touch on it is actually experience and I think as I get more [TS]

  and more experienced I'm able to bring that experience to bear to make my work better. [TS]

  So although I might not have the the ship brute power in my head that I used to have I think I've got a lot more [TS]

  experience of what works and doesn't work and short cuts and things I can do to make things good [TS]

  and I hope I would bring that experience to bear a few more times with the limited C.P.U. I have left. [TS]

  Write something better than what came before. [TS]

  OK so we're drawing a formula on the board here we're going to assume that the amount of time that you have vailable as [TS]

  constant your brain function is obviously going down because we're all stepping towards the grave every day. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but that the experience function is greater for some period of time than the decrease in brain yeah yeah I think carries [TS]

  a bit more of a whiting to again obviously it's not infinite because you're not doesn't help you when you're eighty. [TS]

  Because then the brain is just a cave too much. [TS]

  Yeah yeah there is that there is that there is a crossover I don't think I don't think I don't think I've hit it yet [TS]

  you don't think that area we're very optimistic guy yeah [TS]

  but I think I think the shaming time will be constant was a big assumption. [TS]

  Yeah it is it is so you get you get you know more experience but maybe spend more time on things. [TS]

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  but I'm not going to do that I actually forgot to tell you this something I something I just received a couple of days [TS]

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  when you get a million subscribers we have discussed this on the park [TS]

  and we have to SCOTUS this is that this is an overpriced stick through there is a there is a there is a less a Nobel [TS]

  Prize. [TS]

  Oh yeah doesn't get that doesn't get as much publicity but [TS]

  when you get to one hundred thousand subscribers on a channel you are supposed to get this small a silver button I [TS]

  never got it [TS]

  and obviously you never got it you said you haven't even got your code than you have I never even heard about this must [TS]

  have been implanted after no roster over the hundred I'm not sure that's the case [TS]

  but anyway I got in touch with each of the other day because I actually have five channels with over one hundred [TS]

  thousand subscribers so I got in touch with each of the other day [TS]

  and said You know I never got SUV about NS Looking for a little glib for my trophy room just sort of to sit number [TS]

  shows at the moment caught by foot five silver buttons. [TS]

  And I don't know if I should be saying is because my plan was actually to just give them to the different departments [TS]

  and the different people have collaborated with me as a Little things to put on their wall [TS]

  but before I did there are so I'll get them all out of their boxes [TS]

  and take a picture of the motor gather in one place because just to document the moment I wrote together [TS]

  and I have to say when they were all in a row they look Conan us then [TS]

  and I'm nothing can they be actually keep pace myself you're going to keep them put them up on the wall I don't think [TS]

  OK but they do that nice is a little collection. Jim a photo can you send me a picture. The picture. [TS]

  I'll put on a picture on the show you know they have a seat at the picture now so you can let people couldn't hear your [TS]

  reaction to I don't even need to see it I'm sure it's lovely. [TS]

  Well too bad you say in the like Audrey photos I notice I'm cute [TS]

  but I'm going to get it I'm actually having to scroll through about ninety [TS]

  or a few photos to find about THINK I'M SO I know every time we're in person [TS]

  and you want to show me anything on your phone it's just there's a wall of beige that you're scrolling through find the [TS]

  non-base photo of a thing [TS]

  or I'm going to send to a person who might be a funny story I am a guy I have to say you have all five of these above [TS]

  this photo fireplace in your office. [TS]

  Thirty forty foot up like this in actual fact [TS]

  but boarded up it's not functioning anymore I'm not sure I can see it that is boarded up. [TS]

  No You know you can see that if I can I'm looking I'm looking at the bottom of it right now you couldn't put a you [TS]

  couldn't put firewood in there you don't have an open flew Gray the bottom of the fireplace is not in that fighter has [TS]

  another three fate and [TS]

  and they thought what you're looking at there that's just the times that go across the top of the fireplace. [TS]

  Look board up to me. [TS]

  Grow I send you a fighter and I don't and you can apologize [TS]

  and anyway in the meantime I'm looking at your five What is the fourth for deep guy videos number file computer file [TS]

  periodic videos [TS]

  and sixty symbols all of hundred thousand Yeah it looks glorious as those five across the top of the fireplace. [TS]

  Do you like I do I think that looks good I think you should keep them I didn't think you'd say that I think it looks [TS]

  good. [TS]

  They're just the perfect length for the fireplace I think you should I'm not going to put them there [TS]

  and I do not put them not to touch them to the wall. [TS]

  OK if you put them right above the fireplace because if you just put them somewhere else [TS]

  and whatever then I don't care what you do with them [TS]

  but they look lorries in that spot will say Oh sorry let me tell you about this funny thing that happened to me if I [TS]

  can find it. [TS]

  It's today with the way I miss situ it's on your mac I don't know what the solution is [TS]

  but I very often find hard to know who are messaging and because things just flipped on their own [TS]

  and sometimes I think a message in one person [TS]

  and I'm messaging another person you know obviously you know you send the wrong message to the wrong person. [TS]

  We've all been there you've been there you've done to me. [TS]

  Everything everybody has done this because especially on the Mac. [TS]

  I message rearrange is the location of where everybody is near little sidebar depending on whose message recently at I [TS]

  did discover because I was complaining about on Twitter that if you double click on someone's picture on i Message [TS]

  it'll pop them out in a little window on the side and that's helpful [TS]

  but you also don't you know I find if two people are messaging me at one time my brain is going to explode. [TS]

  Yaz and it's hard to know how long you're going to talk to people for to pull them out like [TS]

  when is it worth doing this it's it's frustrating it's frustrating. [TS]

  So yes it's very young the nicest to send a message to the wrong person I had a good one the other day it was around [TS]

  the time of my birthday and I was messaging my mother in law and I believe it was destiny [TS]

  and I was a mailing destine about some contract don't document I head [TS]

  and he was asking me if some wording had been changed in this contract [TS]

  and I was basically saying to him I haven't I haven't even read it but I doubt it will have been changed [TS]

  and I think it will be the same as all the other previous drafts. [TS]

  And at the same time I had just that day received a birthday card from my mother in law [TS]

  and I had like a picture of someone playing cricket on the front so I want to thank for it. [TS]

  Sigh i sent this side this is the I sent this message to my mother [TS]

  nor sank thank you very much for my lovely cricket caught from Brady [TS]

  and then the next message I sent to her as well which was meant to be to Destine said I honestly haven't looked at it [TS]

  but I'm sure it won't be different from any of the others. Oh and it was such a perfect follow on thanks so much. [TS]

  I haven't looked at it won't be different from what it was such if I had to fight her immediately to explain before she [TS]

  read it. [TS]

  Saying you're about to say the rudest text message keep it misstated your dad is bad that is that is bad in a [TS]

  spectacular alignment of us nice it was nice so I did want to share that one so that was that was one of those ones [TS]

  that just the stars lined up she thought it was hilarious. Did she though. Yes she did she did. [TS]

  Cannot talk about swear words you want you want to jump to this we should never do this before we started recording I [TS]

  said I really want to make sure we recorded short episode because we are recording this way early because I'm about to [TS]

  be traveling and less available probably for scheduling than a normal yam so that I [TS]

  and so I thought oh I don't mind of this one is shorter so I can get out sooner and will be less work [TS]

  and yeah we technically have not gotten out of follow up yet we know you're going to have you're going to back to cut [TS]

  you're going to have to cut so much from that read a section. Yes I read it and excellence. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and so much from whatever came after that there's been so much stuff you're going to have to cut that we're probably [TS]

  only twenty minutes into the pocket book just yet [TS]

  but I am wondering about the same thing I am aware that this is a pod cast it is going to be extra cut so I manned up [TS]

  in the situation with the worst of everything we recorded for a long time. [TS]

  Creatures coming to that end up with me having a huge editing job that also results in the podcast being way shorter [TS]

  than normal so I don't know [TS]

  when we can stop talking let me let me talk about swearing I uploaded the video the other day. [TS]

  And in it I had this colorful character this guy into and he was being O'Flynn buoyant interesting [TS]

  and at one point he said Hot damn like an erratic cited what he was getting at something to play with [TS]

  and he was so excited about what hot day M. [TS]

  and Then he continued with his conversation and when I was editing at I did for half a second think Hot damn [TS]

  and I thought Now I he said he knew the cameras rolling it's fun it's funny I don't think that's an offensive word [TS]

  people know that I don't swear but [TS]

  but they also know I have my definition of swear words in the often say these words [TS]

  and people who thought you didn't but you said. Ex-wives it. [TS]

  Yeah I don't consider damn swear word so I left in the video [TS]

  and then I got an e-mail from a I wish I could fall in the now it was a really nice same hour [TS]

  and it was really well written but I can't find it by searching for the word damn. [TS]

  Because this person was so offended by the word damn they didn't you say if it didn't include it in their Hema [TS]

  and I can't remember the other words they used the anyway they said I shouldn't have left it in [TS]

  and teaches play these videos to kids it's cetera et cetera [TS]

  and I was like that's interesting how we really are what was your reaction to that. [TS]

  Well my reaction was I went to Twitter and smarter to follow as if they think is an offensive word and I would say. [TS]

  To the majority feeling was it's maybe a one out of ten very very mild another problem a couple paper said I thought it [TS]

  was offensive as a lot of people said no offense even in the slightest. Some people had very very mild not a problem. [TS]

  I basically right back to the the person who wrote The man said to have thank you very much. [TS]

  I sent her a link to the Twitter compensation I said I think you might find is interesting I was a city where there's a [TS]

  fist and word to some freaky language in it because as you can imagine some J.T. [TS]

  People might seem pretty funny plus but it just got me thinking about the world [TS]

  and I wonder where you stand on the word how do you feel about it. [TS]

  Well first I did a very similar thing to you on one of my videos a while back to the one where I was talking about how [TS]

  to become the British monarch this is around the time of the first royal baby was going to be born yet [TS]

  and I did this for a word which I thought was so mild [TS]

  but I was aware that this was a video that might be being shown in primary schools in the U.K. [TS]

  Because it was a you know this topic which is going around at the time. [TS]

  Yeah and I know for a fact it was shown in a bunch of primary schools [TS]

  but I had the word bastard in their one point yet because one of the rules is don't be a bastard. [TS]

  Yeah and it was the same thing of hesitating over this [TS]

  and I thought let me check with Twitter just to see what people's reactions are to the S. [TS]

  and It was about the same thing maybe one in ten and most people thought it was it was fine [TS]

  and I left it in because it just works way better in the scripts than trying to write around it so I too have done this [TS]

  this dipstick into the current of the Internet. [TS]

  I want people think about this word what if you did you did you was before the video I did not afterwards I please Demi [TS]

  and in the category of so mild it never really crosses my attention yeah but the problem with these words [TS]

  and the problems lots of things is that different people take it very differently [TS]

  and so there does seem to be a group of people who regard it as much more serious than I do. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but before I say what I'm about to say I want to make it really clear that I am one hundred percent behind your policy [TS]

  of having a list of words you don't want to say and not saying that I fully support that [TS]

  and the totally reasonable position for anyone to take. OK well not everything accurately. [TS]

  Yeah OK OK Go ahead you want to do you want to try to rephrase it. [TS]

  Disk Well I just there is a list of words I don't say [TS]

  but not because I think it would be wrong to say them I just as I said before I just do it because it's like a weird [TS]

  straight can now I didn't say it because you thought the wrong I did you have a list that you don't say OK it's just [TS]

  like a game but a snotty Yeah yeah yeah but I am aware that you don't think that they're wrong [TS]

  and that's all that's also why I can without any problem. [TS]

  Back your position I care [TS]

  but I just don't want people to start thinking they were having some kind of argument here we're not OK [TS]

  but because we can have a day that we never argue with we haven't had a prizing least serious intense conversation this [TS]

  time this is going to become actively cut down from its down for later. [TS]

  I hope you've enjoyed the forty third and final episode airs that's how I wanted it was great [TS]

  but we now have irreconcilable differences I have this feeling about curse words which I have tried to express some [TS]

  time [TS]

  but has not been received well which is that it's the people who react strongly to curse words that give those curse [TS]

  words their power the words would have no power at all were it not for the reactions of people to them [TS]

  when I see people kicking up a fuss about a word that is let's say by broad general consensus not a strong curse word [TS]

  this is just like the mean thing you are the one who is making this word works the more of a fuss you kick it up you [TS]

  are making it stronger if you cared less you would make it weaker and people seem to get angry about this when [TS]

  when I discussed is also hypocritical alert here. [TS]

  I bleep some curse words on the spot cast [TS]

  and another word what's the because you're in play ping married what's the most offensive word you're willing to say at [TS]

  last. Well the problem is it is also being recorded right. [TS]

  Orrible things are going I don't want of belief so those two are the terrorists you say even knowing they'll be faked [TS]

  knowing the B.B. and I think we can we can use we can use is the king of curse word. [TS]

  Using occurs where there is is fair just to use as an example of a pure curse word the I kind of I went even say that [TS]

  word right. [TS]

  Although I could I could I could go and and you're right you could join them together and put a break between them [TS]

  and make it right [TS]

  and like I said I could do that you want to get a little closer together to make it easier for me now you don't do you [TS]

  get a little too close to your boundaries you know my wife would love if I swore she thought she would like she always [TS]

  asks me to swear like is a trait like she was going to say it once just from Maine she gets all excited [TS]

  and then I'm not not who's not do it. [TS]

  She's on the go on maybe like one day like as a birthday present I would do it [TS]

  and even though we're talking many more so in order to avoid people thinking that I'm being hypocritical here. [TS]

  Yep I believe those words yet for two reasons. [TS]

  Yet one of which is that to be on the i Tunes store you don't want to have to mark the pod cast as explicit yet which [TS]

  which seems to get zero is the pod casts to some extent yeah now [TS]

  when I first started the pod cast I was trying to find the list of banned words from Apple just so I could know I quote [TS]

  What does Apple think the boundaries are [TS]

  and there is no lest they just have a nice vague sounding explicit words are not allowed so they leave it to the [TS]

  judgment of the pod cast. Hosts and the complaints of the masses I guess this is yeah this is what's occurring here. [TS]

  So there wasn't an explicit list [TS]

  but even if Apple said oh we're not going to mark explicit podcast we don't care just upload whatever I would still [TS]

  bleep in it and all these things. [TS]

  That's that's going to they tape it but I don't know how hard that up [TS]

  but I would still bleep these words because bleeping is funnier. [TS]

  Yeah it's the way funnier when something is bleeped than if it's not pleased. [TS]

  Yeah but you can place someone going hot damn. [TS]

  Yeah but then you just look like an eighty it's you know it's like the biggest proof of yeah you look like a prude [TS]

  and it's it's not funny and I think I think. [TS]

  Bleeping damn falls into that category of what's it's not funny at all but [TS]

  but this sound with the belief is like it's just funny. [TS]

  There's no way around that [TS]

  and so I would totally believe it even if I didn't have to do so that's why it's just trying to get around it like [TS]

  that's why it bleeped for comedy comedy just for comedy value the podcast The job of the bad guys is to be something [TS]

  that people want to listen to and I think it being funny or make people want to listen to it more. [TS]

  But but so [TS]

  but so my my general feeling about this then is with the curse words it is people's very reactions that give them their [TS]

  power just think about this that I like the thing that happens with little kids is that little kids at some point [TS]

  figure out curse words. [TS]

  Yeah but if you imagine a little kid who figures out a curse word and [TS]

  when they start saying them all of the adults in their vicinity just don't respond they just pretend like this this has [TS]

  no impact on them do you think the kids would still be as drawn to curse words now. [TS]

  Yeah this is just this is just like. [TS]

  Banning anything you go oh I didn't care before [TS]

  but now Lou how this is so attractive now that it's been banned you know I'm a I'm a little kid in the only thing I [TS]

  have to do is make a certain series of sounds with my mouth that are totally arbitrary [TS]

  and all of the really all of the adults around me their their butt cheeks clench and they draw in their breath [TS]

  and it's it's like amazing and so that's why the whole power in any curse word comes from people's reactions [TS]

  and I tend to get frustrated with sensor police [TS]

  and I get frustrated with those comments against you in the red it were people I can't believe Brady said this word I [TS]

  thought there was a curse word to let it go if you if you this word bothers you so much the best thing that you can do [TS]

  is to not publicly and constantly tell everybody how much it bothers you. [TS]

  Yeah I mean I don't want people calling me on it because we want to discuss that I didn't say carrots which I carry one [TS]

  little I'd make that confused night in particular if I have those precious there could be. [TS]

  Let me tell you let me tell you a story from my past if you're if you're willing that stress [TS]

  and that part cafĂ© I think you get bored I promise this is a story that involves people usually think it right [TS]

  or as great as there's not room for two guys is boring and there might not be go out OK so when I was [TS]

  when I was in college one of the physics professors happened to have two young boys in about a needle school age maybe [TS]

  maybe slightly younger let's say around you know. [TS]

  Eight and twelve somewhere in that range and this professor did not like cursing just yet is totally fine [TS]

  but he did a thing that I always wished he didn't which was before he came into the labs he would have his boys wait [TS]

  outside and he would come in and he would tell us. I'm about to bring my boys into the lab. [TS]

  Please don't curse or say rude things around them [TS]

  and I wish he didn't do that because just again normal civil society if kids are around I'm much less likely to curse [TS]

  if there are children around. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but it's like you've planted the idea of saying horrible things around kids in my mind in this in this way that is just [TS]

  has now made it just irresistibly attractive [TS]

  and so I would normally just not think about it much you know that my brain would just kick in [TS]

  and he'd sense yourself down because their kids in the room that's just what you do but [TS]

  when you come in an excess rest we tell me I'm not allowed to say bad things around your children. [TS]

  I'm just dying to say bad things around your children and I just can't resist [TS]

  and I knew I definitely had things slip in a way that I never would have if he had just not said anything if he just [TS]

  brought the kids in the room. [TS]

  Gray do you know what this you know this is what it's even know what a got to have it for you kind of are going to [TS]

  believe you know the third no secret I'm bleeping than from here on out it's just three. [TS]

  I almost think that the that little example is like a microcosm of the broader societal reaction to this stuff and. [TS]

  That's why I think it's it is people's reactions that give that give curse words their powers [TS]

  and they don't have a home have anything intrinsic in themselves they are just they're just words [TS]

  but you know you're using you're using here as things sample which we sort of touched upon for the fog [TS]

  and I've often thought you know what the Internet should do just to prove my point is make a campaign about [TS]

  overreacting on purpose to a word [TS]

  and he is an excellent choice of a word because we be tension really have cultural differences [TS]

  and misunderstandings here and it's like it's like a word that might be slightly on the edge [TS]

  and so if everybody started vastly over reacting to some kind of shockingly dirty sexual word that reaction right if [TS]

  people did that consistently you could make the word forbid right. [TS]

  You've Yeah you could do that I'm all for changing changing words like the word gay you know it really change didn't [TS]

  used from one thing to another. Yeah I know. [TS]

  That's changed the words definitely change [TS]

  but I think is a great one because it's just it would demonstrate that the point and it's just so pointless. [TS]

  Already so pointless to do it but like I have a little bit of that reaction every time you say the word. [TS]

  This pod cast is but a perfect example why have you said it so many times during this recording. [TS]

  Precisely because every time you say it I'm creeped out this is this is going to be this is going to be my candidate [TS]

  for vast overreaction I was previously trying to think of something else in the closest I came up with was douche bag [TS]

  might be a good candidate as well for that asked photo over reaction by people [TS]

  and then you can just demonstrate that you can turn a relatively mild word into some kind of terrible word thinking is [TS]

  funnier to do before we before we step into have the word the band could kill Rico this that you have to say. [TS]

  How the Grinch that forty three. Maybe maybe break thank you and. [TS]