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H.I. #51: Appropriately Thinking It


  can minimize your son get distracted by a pretty face don't minimize me gray you [TS]

  mustn't minimize me I want you to take me seriously you think that joke is [TS]

  funny every time God we are like a married couple now before it's not funny [TS]

  the one and one that drives my wife crazy is whenever the way to comes and [TS]

  asks if you want to test the wine and even just a tiny city and you have like [TS]

  the worst as the last week and then you say yes that's fine think-i iOS that put [TS]

  a face and pretend it's disgusting [TS]

  yeah and like she's like yeah but that wasn't funny last time it won't be a [TS]

  next time and it wasn't this time either you do that every time [TS]

  most of the day it's something fun oh is it is it fine every time for the wait [TS]

  time for the way to its not fun for my wife it's fun for the waiter every time [TS]

  because the way to hasn't seen a million times before do you think the waiter [TS]

  hasn't seen it a million times before I think the way to have seen it a million [TS]

  times before you head there probably have actually the way there is being [TS]

  paid to be nice to you it's part of their job you shouldn't judge your [TS]

  humorist skills against someone who was paid to be nice to you but I should just [TS]

  pay more people to be nice to me if you're in a restaurant you're dealing [TS]

  with the waiter or you're you're you're interacting with a service person in [TS]

  general like a hotel concierge or an uber driver or any any of these people [TS]

  in the world who are providing a service to some extent when she used the word [TS]

  sir with them I actually a more likely to call themselves than anyone else and [TS]

  I do that all the time it's almost like it's almost like an over compensation [TS]

  because of not an awkwardness but just to kind of a thing in the back of my [TS]

  head that they're kind of serving May and now I feel a bit uncomfortable with [TS]

  that power dynamic I feel like maybe I overcompensate because I will always [TS]

  call someone who is serving mayor doing something for May which sort of puts me [TS]

  in the more powerful position I always call themselves thank you very much so [TS]

  have a good day sir why I always do that I will do it particularly with my bro [TS]

  drivers they almost every single time [TS]

  normally don't speak to the drivers but then at the end you just want to [TS]

  acknowledge the person and so I would always say something like thank you sir [TS]

  right as a as I'm getting out to me it feels like if you look at the nice thing [TS]

  it's a it's a bit of a sign of respect your acknowledging that the other person [TS]

  news person too and it's a it's slightly more than a thank you but I'm never [TS]

  quite sure in in a place like England if this is as standard I don't I don't [TS]

  really know if if that is the case but you do it to that makes me feel a little [TS]

  bit better I do it I think you're overthinking I think it's alright I [TS]

  wouldn't worry about it I don't I don't think I over think things I don't think [TS]

  I over think things great if there is one thing you do it is over think things [TS]

  that's that is like you're defining quality it's now it is not my defining [TS]

  quality but it was ok but I haven't over think things but there are two problems [TS]

  with the servo one of which is I find the double sir [TS]

  suddenly gets really awkward so if I will say to her driver or the waiter [TS]

  thank you sir [TS]

  and then they say back to me thank you sir [TS]

  suddenly the surf feels ridiculous to me it doesn't work both ways like if if the [TS]

  driver beats me to it if it was like Oh have a nice day sir then I always feel [TS]

  like I have to I have to just say oh thank you you too like I can't say the [TS]

  server if the other person has beaten me to it there's something about it where [TS]

  it where it's like it's too many servers in to close at the time that span is [TS]

  just no good it doesn't work I i agree with that [TS]

  ok so I haven't over thought this is the correct way to know you have definitely [TS]

  over there now is proving my point that you're just digging a deeper and deeper [TS]

  hole of over thoughtfulness here now it's ok ok I had never thought about [TS]

  that before just because I'm just because I'm agreeing with you now that [TS]

  you put it out there doesn't mean I had thought about it before you never [TS]

  thought about this before [TS]

  not not the not the double sir first in best dressed suits you sir problem you [TS]

  have never thought near the end of an interaction which you may use the word [TS]

  sir I need to be the first person to get to the words sir this hasn't crossed [TS]

  your mind it's completely just instinct made just it's just no I'm not I'm not [TS]

  there are things that I think about before hand at the end of a taxi ride or [TS]

  a interaction with someone but one of those things is not I must make sure I [TS]

  get the first Syria and the israeli natural to me okay but so the only other [TS]

  problem and this is the one that comes up much more frequently is that there's [TS]

  no appropriate female version for sir there is no but there is no word for [TS]

  this in the English language and now if you are in Alabama you can say this is [TS]

  this is acceptable [TS]

  just broadly across the south as the serb equivalent for women but you know [TS]

  it's like in the south [TS]

  I would totally say thank you ma'am to a woman in a service position but I do not [TS]

  think that the word man in my very limited experimentation goes down well [TS]

  almost anywhere else I never get the feeling like this is a word that say a [TS]

  waitress in her thirties really wants to have applied to her under normal [TS]

  circumstances they can do you ever say ma'am you say sir do you say ma'am thank [TS]

  you ma'am in a restaurant would you say that I think I possibly would but I'm [TS]

  less likely to I think you've assessed the situation correctly I did see what [TS]

  comes out at the time that is not always the best policy and realize and [TS]

  sometimes it gets me into a pickle but I don't I usually don't think too much [TS]

  about what I'm gonna say i just i just follow my heart yes the only way I would [TS]

  use man outside of the south is if I could lay a thousand dollars on the [TS]

  table to say that the service will when I was interacting with his over 60 [TS]

  she's over 60 then I might use ma'am but if it's less than that I feel like now [TS]

  if I can't be absolutely sure about this I'm not gonna make this bad but we have [TS]

  the problem in the opposite way that the only other vaguely equivalent word is [TS]

  the word miss I feel like miss does not carry the same weight as Sir and it also [TS]

  has its own weird problems ugh radical quite the same way you do about man and [TS]

  I think when you called someone so there's a kind of joke inna sets are [TS]

  already going on it's kind of already like potential for more Nexus this bit [TS]

  of a there's been a wink wink was neither of us here particularly notable [TS]

  are important so we just switches using these formalities for fun and I think [TS]

  that applies when you would use the men so I don't think a thirty year old [TS]

  woman's gonna go my goodness he suggesting are much older than I am or [TS]

  he's he's doing it wrong I think there's already like a little game going on [TS]

  where we're joking around [TS]

  thank you sir thank you have a good day I think there's already such a this over [TS]

  the top friendliness going on that is understood the whole thing's be ready [TS]

  this just goes to the fundamental jovial nature of your whole life again imagine [TS]

  you going from place to place and just everything is happy everything's a joke [TS]

  brady's just so happy him the sun is shining are we all just having a great [TS]

  time how your social interactions just naturally go [TS]

  can do the little thanks man when you give a charming when can you scamper off [TS]

  and everybody's had a great day I wish that was true in fact I'm grumpy old man [TS]

  he just sits around whinging having paper cuts but I guess when it comes to [TS]

  that sort of thing I am a bit more jokey I do like when I actually do enjoy every [TS]

  day but I do like I do like things to be a bit in a bit of a joke I'm not an [TS]

  overly serious person I think you can get away with more than I can which is [TS]

  why I mates appropriately think about these things to the level that they [TS]

  deserve so now we have any follow-up rating do we have follow-up we have to [TS]

  show you my ass first with something I know you don't particularly like [TS]

  and this is an arbitrary shout out to a fair and pretending this and you think [TS]

  this is the thin end of the wedge it is yeah but let me explain why we have to [TS]

  do this one and you can always some reason there's always some reason if I [TS]

  left either if I left you entirely to your own accord the show would be [TS]

  starting with nothing but a long list of happy birthday wishes to everybody I [TS]

  have to ring you in on these things to some extent someone emailed me today [TS]

  asking me i'm not gonna do it right or not gonna do it but you gonna mention it [TS]

  now [TS]

  ok open that door a bit wider ok I'm gonna mention I'm not going to use the [TS]

  names of its purpose I think I think this this mail has been have a crush on [TS]

  a female who he's figured out is also a Hello internet listener and he wanted me [TS]

  to ask her out on his behalf [TS]

  ask her out of the show would be a novel way to sort of get me in with her just [TS]

  say to that person that is no good idea and you are lucky I am NOT doing now [TS]

  because it is a terrible idea and also brady you have just raised the [TS]

  suspicions of all of these single listeners who are female of the hello [TS]

  internet show everyone everyone who falls into that category [TS]

  their little bit more on edge now thinking about the people in their life [TS]

  that's brilliant though because now I have now everyone feels like involved in [TS]

  this segment look at it no longer faced arbitrary and just one person everyone [TS]

  can share in the fear and terror of the rage right now we've just made a large [TS]

  portion of the audience slightly uncomfortable for clients included well [TS]

  anyway the person I am gonna give a shout out to is a young girl named kaden [TS]

  who I met at a public event recently in her and her brother who I think was [TS]

  called Elliott I'm guessing I'm so sorry forgot that wrong and their mom and [TS]

  Caden elliot's mother brought them along to this event because they wanted to [TS]

  meet me because I am one-half of hello Internet [TS]

  Kate and drew a picture on a canvas she drew a picture of a Jamaican rice rat [TS]

  which just between you made a little bit like a cat that looks like a Jamaican [TS]

  rice cat I don't get it [TS]

  k to drill every picture of a Jamaican rice in a field full of flowers with the [TS]

  sun shining and it was using a computer made a change made of che's a cheese [TS]

  computer as a rice rat would of course I don't think you would like that we don't [TS]

  make computers out of things weigh 128 because we would a tech computers that's [TS]

  why we make the metal metal so that we donate them are you not supposed to eat [TS]

  computers I didn't know that in fact if there's one person who I would not be [TS]

  surprised to find out its computers it would be you say she gave me this [TS]

  picture it was really nice very very sweet and cute little canvas to but then [TS]

  she said to me can you place a on the show that I gave it to you and say my [TS]

  name on the on the show and like and she just said that to me and like her moms [TS]

  there and she's there and she's looking at me with a cute face and she just [TS]

  given me this wonderful gift which I really love so I just said of course I [TS]

  well know boundary pushing Brady its boundary pushing I've done enough kids [TS]

  to know about this so you're saying if cute little Kaden just gave you this [TS]

  wonderful picture and looked up at you with a key face and said can you plz [TS]

  mention that I gave this to you on the show said no and walked away the brady [TS]

  that's really what happened this is exactly right I don't need I don't need [TS]

  cute little kids harassing me with their gifts all the time making making very [TS]

  difficult very awkward social situations where I have to say no ma'am I'm sorry I [TS]

  can't accept this gift to a fight because I'm concerned about all of the [TS]

  adorable five year old girls in the future [TS]

  who will try to blackmail me with their various gifts to mention on the show you [TS]

  just can't open up your life to that kind of stuff Brady can open up your [TS]

  life that kind of arbitrariness well I did I did say thank you can I tell you [TS]

  what you gave this was not the first time this has happened that I got a real [TS]

  wake-up call and knew how young audiences there are a lot of very young [TS]

  people who listen to hello Internet first of all we need to define a lot and [TS]

  we need to define very young and need some parameters here I love is more than [TS]

  one more than one got it great and what's the other thing about to find out [TS]

  how young are we talking here I'm how many other Internet listeners have you [TS]

  run across someone that you would not say swear word in front of [TS]

  we've been through this before though I find it very hard not to swear in front [TS]

  of children now you don't you say that but you're pretty decent guy is not is [TS]

  nothing about decency is nothing about decency again that the trick is if I'm [TS]

  ever around your children don't tell me not to swear around your children I will [TS]

  naturally be trying not to swear around your children but if you go out of your [TS]

  way to tell me not to then the evil part of my brain just wants to take over and [TS]

  just constantly curse if you swore Brady if you sweat with you don't know how old [TS]

  would it take for a child to be before you would feel comfortable swearing [TS]

  around them because you said young enough that you wouldn't swear around [TS]

  them so what's the ceiling on this well it depends on the relationship obviously [TS]

  a lie if they're a complete stranger want them to be a playmaker age of [TS]

  majority here [TS]

  well it kinda depends but if it's a younger person but it was likely know my [TS]

  nephew or something you would think oh it's so cold that Brady just did [TS]

  something a bit naughty uncle Brady yeah I do like the brady let's just say we [TS]

  have a lot of very young business and the one thing I wanted from que Dan [TS]

  Elliott and my goodness I hope his name is Elliot the one thing I really wanted [TS]

  to find out from them when I was talking is why on earth do you listen to hello [TS]

  internet and I couldn't i couldn't get I couldn't nail down and I don't know if [TS]

  it was because of their parents but it seemed like they were big fans then [TS]

  their mom my prediction for our very young listeners is that they are trapped [TS]

  in a car with a parent who is listening to hello internet that's how we [TS]

  indoctrinate the next wave of Health Net listener so parents out there if your [TS]

  fans of the show [TS]

  make sure to start them young speaking of indoctrination I have joined Team UBA [TS]

  oh really I was at the other night and I was walking home from a dinner and it [TS]

  started raining and I got rained on a lot and there are no cabs in Berkeley [TS]

  most of the time and I was just thinking I wish I could just get out of this [TS]

  problem so when I got home I signed up to even put the app on Mustang [TS]

  straightaway have been using up in using it ever since I think I'm in love my [TS]

  fifth day maybe fifth or sixth day of movie use [TS]

  you liking it so far gray I love it I told you last time it this is like one [TS]

  of the top five things that have changed in my life in the last 10 years it's [TS]

  amazing not only is it not only is it voodoo witchcraft with the technology [TS]

  but it's so fun as well that's almost came upon a bit cuz you can follow [TS]

  people's progress on maps and you don't have to ever think about money like that [TS]

  the one thing I don't like about cab driver the campuses you know the whole [TS]

  money situation that's just taken out of the equation it does encourage good [TS]

  relationship so I always have really interesting conversations with my driver [TS]

  and in fact I was going to give it a 10 out of 10 super amazing raved about how [TS]

  much I love to accept my trip up to the spiritual home of numberphile today to [TS]

  record this podcast I had my first boomer problem just as I was about to [TS]

  tell you how much I loved it would pay for the first time what was a problem [TS]

  when I got in and I put in another thing I really love about it is you don't even [TS]

  have to tell them your destination they know where you're going to start driving [TS]

  yeah this is why that you can use it like it's a self-driving car if you want [TS]

  to yeah but what happened was somehow and spontaneously a few seconds into the [TS]

  trip my destination changed on on his grain really turned to me and my phone [TS]

  was in my pocket I wasn't I don't think I was pressing it with my legs by [TS]

  mistake maybe I didn't I but I don't know what happened but she seconds into [TS]

  the trip he said oh did you to change your destination and I looked at his [TS]

  phone and it was taking me somewhere completely differently miles and miles [TS]

  away and then I looked at my phone and it like spontaneously change in front of [TS]

  me from one destination to another and I don't even know where that places I [TS]

  certainly don't want to go there I don't know what happened I think there was [TS]

  like a ghost in the machine he could put quite possibly started driving to this [TS]

  other place before I realized he was going the wrong way when you do trust [TS]

  technology too much things happen [TS]

  and and this literally happened before my house so that's where you can [TS]

  definitely have i mean obviously any technology is always going to have [TS]

  occasional bugs I've never had anything like that happen but what I will say is [TS]

  that I have always 100% of the time had the drivers questioned me about any rule [TS]

  changes they've always confirm that is what you want to do the driver was to [TS]

  take an unusual route from location to location be because of traffic they will [TS]

  always check with me first and I'll say something like I'm gonna go around this [TS]

  way instead of going on the main route because of traffic I get the impression [TS]

  that they have some customers who think that they are professional drivers and [TS]

  know the best way to go [TS]

  like do you do this all day [TS]

  trust you about whatever is the best way to go at this time so I've always had [TS]

  them check with me for that kind of stuff but the one thing that I can say [TS]

  is a little bit dangerous about it as well is because you don't use money and [TS]

  you don't even say money it does become a bit like Monopoly money let you almost [TS]

  feel like you're getting all these rides for free and I can imagine you could [TS]

  easily rack up some interesting bills to just jump in Ann Arbor and I don't even [TS]

  need to get my wallet out don't even have to get my cada [TS]

  coming off on paper and I can imagine it could come back to bite you [TS]

  it also makes and that same reason makes me realize why having like free as part [TS]

  of your job package was part of an employee's is quite cool thing I can see [TS]

  why you think that was also saying I got up got to have got this salary anderson [TS]

  also get free you can imagine it's quite like that oh yeah yeah that that's [TS]

  that's a huge perk so the question I want to ask you brady's if you are aware [TS]

  of the thing with uber which is that you know how when you're right and you rate [TS]

  the driver you know up to 5 stars yet are you aware that the drivers also rate [TS]

  you I am aware of that [TS]

  yeah how do you feel about that I don't really mind because I was greeted us can [TS]

  my drivers lots of questions about who I like every trip for me is like a chance [TS]

  to interrogate them how things work and how they feel about and stuff like that [TS]

  yeah there there is a joke about hoover that you have it [TS]

  until you talk to the driver about hoover while you're right that this this [TS]

  is everybody has to do this and yeah well mostly I don't talk to the drivers [TS]

  now when I started out every ride was like an interview about how do you like [TS]

  this how does it work and and they always seem pretty happy to talk about [TS]

  it I think everybody is talking about the job yet they do they do and I've [TS]

  been making it clear how you been on the platform for a few days i dont sound [TS]

  like an idiot i sort of I i almost apologized for it beforehand saying [TS]

  sorry I'm really sorry about these questions then I asked them all my [TS]

  questions but it sounds like when they accept me and certainly when I accept [TS]

  them they star ratings don't come into its only asked if they're on their way [TS]

  that I know what their star rating is and I was saying to them when you get [TS]

  the request in this little clock comes up on their phone and I've got like 10 [TS]

  seconds to decide if they gonna take me or not he was telling me i i dont even [TS]

  say star rating of who you are so while the star ratings exists I don't know how [TS]

  they're being used to discriminate can people then canceled after his if they [TS]

  don't like to start writing the thing is to see the star rating that the driver [TS]

  might not have been aware but you need to tap on the profile picture to see the [TS]

  star rating before the thinker kurds I can't say when you book a driver you can [TS]

  tap on their picture and then it shows it's interesting because I've used uber [TS]

  now in several different cities in several different places and it works [TS]

  slightly differently in different locations like when I was in North [TS]

  Carolina using it [TS]

  North Carolina has this bizarre rule which is that cars don't have to have a [TS]

  license plate on the front of the car which is crazy making to me but it means [TS]

  that when you're trying to find a new book are you can't be sure that you're [TS]

  going to be able to see the license plate when you book a car in North [TS]

  Carolina there and only their the app shows you a picture of the car with the [TS]

  color would you do it in London like it just shows you the license plate so [TS]

  things vary from place to place blame where you can see the star rating before [TS]

  you book and the way it works with you bernie is that you can cancel within [TS]

  whatever it is like two minutes I don't do it often but every once in a while I [TS]

  will look at the star rating before a driver comes and every once in a while [TS]

  there's there's someone who is clearly about to get kicked off the system [TS]

  it seems like there's a dynamic number but roughly speaking it's like if [TS]

  they're under four point for their own like a warning systems if I see someone [TS]

  who's like 3.9 that someone who's about to get fired and so I will actually [TS]

  cancel that ride can I find out what my star rating since this is the thing that [TS]

  I think goober should do for the benefits of human society because one of [TS]

  the things I was first writing goober I like to ask the drivers is some of them [TS]

  seem to work in different areas of the city or if they do different things like [TS]

  what are your average customers like who are you driving around and some of them [TS]

  seem to specialize in areas where there were lots of parents taking kids around [TS]

  some of them to help with businessman I would also like to ask who are the worst [TS]

  customer that you've ever had leaked tell me your nightmare story and boy to [TS]

  the driver's left to tell you about the worst do they ever had in their car I [TS]

  think that goober should make the drivers ratings of the user's visible to [TS]

  the user because as it is right now there's no place for you to see what you [TS]

  are rated if you ask the driver I've had drivers they'll tell me out of curiosity [TS]

  what is my rating on his way now and they let you know what it is but it [TS]

  doesn't show you I think that that would be providing a service to humanity if [TS]

  they made the customers rating visible to the customer because we'll have the [TS]

  things that I've heard from many of the drivers is that the worst customers are [TS]

  business dudes guys who expect everything to go their way all the time [TS]

  and feel like this is my rule of you know if you think everyone in life is an [TS]

  asshole you're the asshole right it's not everybody else but I think there's [TS]

  no feedback mechanism to let those people know that they indeed are the [TS]

  jerks in the world and so I think if someone like takes a whole bunch of [TS]

  arise and they see that the drivers are raiding them two stars all the time this [TS]

  is like a feedback mechanism to let you know in a somewhat anonymous way how [TS]

  other people do you your actions like I I think it's a possibility for people to [TS]

  correct themselves how anonymous gray [TS]

  because this is a problem with your thing that anonymity I've been talking [TS]

  about electronic voting the last few days with a few experts in electronic [TS]

  voting and that has and that is the one issue that comes up all the time as well [TS]

  the importance of anonymity is something that comes up a lot and I think you're [TS]

  what you're saying cause problems in that respect obviously you're not saying [TS]

  that I can say the driver who just who just drove me what they are saying I [TS]

  should be obviously my overall rating but surely I can I can reverse engineer [TS]

  from that kinda so with the drivers they get a report at the end of the week [TS]

  about how their star rating moved and they get a like a random selection of [TS]

  the comments that people have left so they don't get to see everything and [TS]

  it's all bunched together right that he recuse your rating for the week [TS]

  my feeling is for the customers because the customers obviously are doing way [TS]

  fewer who rides then the drivers are I think it's easy enough to build into the [TS]

  system to say something like you are going to get a report and email to you [TS]

  that says your star rating but do it only after every 30 rides and those [TS]

  rides have to have had a certain number of different drivers in them [TS]

  rights if you took 30 drop rides and it happens to be the same three guys [TS]

  because you're in a little area like it won't auto send you the report until you [TS]

  say have like at least at least a pool enough different people that you [TS]

  couldn't reverse engineer it so I think there's a really simple solution to that [TS]

  just at the customers get it much much less frequently than the drivers do [TS]

  that's what I would do this is the same CGP grey hoodie a few minutes ago it was [TS]

  telling us that he doesn't overthink things he's already come up with the [TS]

  feedback mechanism for passengers everyone is going to want me to ask you [TS]

  so I have to ask you what has your rating then when you've asked them [TS]

  actually just had a guy tell me two days ago that my reading is four point nine [TS]

  this means this means somewhere someone didn't give me a five star rating and I [TS]

  would love to know why I would love to know what was it like I'm very curious [TS]

  but I i think that knowing that the drivers radio it encourages both parties [TS]

  to be on best behavior so I feel like I never wanna make the drivers wait you [TS]

  know I want to be a nice simple passenger I I think it's I think this is [TS]

  exactly the kind of situation where it is helpful to have each person rate the [TS]

  other person I bet you gotta to staff from a woman that you called mayhem [TS]

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  well guess what back plz can ship you an external hard drive with all of your [TS]

  data on it it's just five bucks per month per computer [TS]

  unlimited on throttled back up stop putting it off and start getting backed [TS]

  up today at Backblaze dot com slash hello internet there you can get you a [TS]

  risk-free no credit card required trial and let back please know that you came [TS]

  from our show and we actually both put different articles about the same thing [TS]

  in the show notes and then I went to click yours and you have a dead link you [TS]

  have put a link that doesn't work there's no story there I had to go find [TS]

  your thank you and can you tell me what is that not only did I have to find your [TS]

  story for you but now I have to summarize it for you i mean you can [TS]

  obviously see what I mean I don't care that much about the story I just care [TS]

  about where the story happened [TS]

  Brady and I both happened to put stories about the ever advancing frontiers of [TS]

  autos into the show notes but of course Brady only carried because there was a [TS]

  tiny bit of frankly irrelevant and uninteresting auto news but it took [TS]

  place in Adelaide so it went into the show notes with an exclamation mark but [TS]

  the entirely unremarkable story that Brady put in the show notes was that on [TS]

  a test track in Adelaide a self-driving car was tested and this apparently was [TS]

  the first time that a self-driving car had been tested within the city limits [TS]

  of a delay it was on the same as on the Southern Expressway which is a public [TS]

  road although they had closed the section of your dead link makes me [TS]

  suspicious about the accuracy of that first story because the story that I [TS]

  found about it said it was on a test track somewhere but whatever it happened [TS]

  in Adelaide are you proud that you're home city has autos now where these [TS]

  there has been an auto in the city but this is for people who have no idea what [TS]

  time is everyone knows what has everyone knows it quickly accepted word I'm not [TS]

  sure it's gonna take I've told you before that I'm convinced that there [TS]

  were just gonna call them cars that was going to happen is the self-driving [TS]

  prefix is dropped [TS]

  yeah but they need to be there is going to be need to be a period of at least [TS]

  five to 10 years where both of them are on the road so if we're going to [TS]

  differentiate during that period [TS]

  living about that for a second so that the thing that I put in the show notes [TS]

  which I thought was a much more interesting story was that in Greece in [TS]

  one of their cities they're doing it's what it seems to me like the first [TS]

  public test of self-driving transportation technology in that they [TS]

  are having a 66 self-driving buses that are going around the city what was that [TS]

  big sigh for his graces the one country the nicest up putting people out of work [TS]

  didn't think about that whether gotta cut their costs these municipal [TS]

  government how that works [TS]

  this is what we call a downward spiral but yes they they have six buses that [TS]

  they fitted with self driving technology and that they're going right looks more [TS]

  like a Mexican Gulf come on a bus anyway yeah it's a it's a bus but it looks like [TS]

  it's about six people in total so it's the the interesting thing is not the the [TS]

  volume of this but the interesting thing is that it is just on the roads and I [TS]

  was reading through it and what it reminded me of his I don't know if [TS]

  you've ever seen these crazy like you can find these articles talking about [TS]

  the original rules for cars on the road when car is first came about in very [TS]

  many american cities it with their will like it you can't drive in more than [TS]

  seven miles an hour [TS]

  you have to file with the city in advance where you're going to go and the [TS]

  entire time that you're there there's a man on a horse who has to wave a flag in [TS]

  front of you and if you see this stuff but they're just like this astounding [TS]

  transition period between when cars were very rare and quite accurately fought as [TS]

  deadly technology being introduced onto the streets in obviously all of that [TS]

  went away very quickly but this this self driving test in Greece to me reads [TS]

  the same way because the self-driving cars are limited to 12 miles an hour [TS]

  they're not allowed to go any faster [TS]

  they've been programmed to stay in this single lane that goes on a loop around [TS]

  the cities of their their program never to change claims and they're programmed [TS]

  never tried to get around any obstacles but just you stopped dead in their [TS]

  tracks if there's any uncertainty about anything so it's like is the most [TS]

  cautious thing ever but my feeling is that just like with cars and the super [TS]

  cautious rules around cars at the start I i think that once the changeover [TS]

  starts it's going to be much much faster than people think I think the transition [TS]

  from regular cars to fully automated fleets of cars is going to be very fast [TS]

  as soon as like normal people can start getting their hands on self driving [TS]

  people maybe only once every five years or ten years but my prediction is that [TS]

  if you start having a significant amount of the fleet of cars capable of [TS]

  self-driving I think you end up in a case where it very quickly make sense to [TS]

  simply outlaw human driven cars like I think that's what's going to be the case [TS]

  here is that we're not gonna end up in a scenario where you're waiting naturally [TS]

  for the whole fleet of cars to turn over I think we're gonna end up eventually in [TS]

  a situation where human driven cars are outlawed just to say like just starting [TS]

  on the highways to say like okay you can't drive a human driven car on the [TS]

  highways and expanded outwards I don't know if you ever had something like MADD [TS]

  Mothers Against Drunk Driving did you have that in Australia for having an [TS]

  England but I know it is but yeah it's like a big pressure group in the United [TS]

  States was only present when I was a kid like they ran all these programs you [TS]

  know for when you're learning to drive about like to drive drunk and kill [TS]

  people and I think that once you have self-driving cars around to some extent [TS]

  my prediction is that there is going to be some kind of pressure group like mad [TS]

  but for human driven cars where there's going to be some pressure group that [TS]

  says the safety gains of self driven cars are so great that we want to try to [TS]

  outlaw or severely severely restrict [TS]

  human driven cars here in dreamland I don't think I am I don't think I could [TS]

  cause its work so well with gun control doesn't let you think you think the [TS]

  people who want to keep their cars and the car companies I can apply a little [TS]

  pressure you think that you think the the bleeding heart to think that you [TS]

  know you want to make the roads safer place are going to be more powerful than [TS]

  the people who make cars and there were no here's the thing is that I'm aware [TS]

  that car companies economics of driving cars don't need to explain that to me is [TS]

  that my point my point [TS]

  companies and things like that I don't think that pressure groups in and of [TS]

  themselves are often very effective at causing change its my thesis here is not [TS]

  that like oh some mad version for human driven cars is going to cause this to [TS]

  happen but I think pressure groups are used by larger entities that are driving [TS]

  economic benefit from other reasons and so the reason that I think self-driving [TS]

  cars will take off so much is because I think there is more economic benefits [TS]

  for governments and for companies having them around then there is economic [TS]

  benefit for the losing team on the other side by Anna I just think something like [TS]

  like a pressure group is used as a political tool to make a thing happen [TS]

  but I don't think is the pressure group that causes this thing to happen [TS]

  ok that's that's my bed and that this is this is only why I'm so bullish on on [TS]

  the self-driving car stuff is because I just think that economics is on the side [TS]

  of the self-driving cars there's just too many companies and too many [TS]

  institutions that massively benefit from dramatically driving ground [TS]

  transportation costs like i just i just think that's the way it's going to go [TS]

  i mean clearly so driving cars coming coming we see every day but I don't care [TS]

  if I'm wrong about this by the way I haven't got a really strong the owner [TS]

  but I do not think that humans being allowed to drive their own cars will be [TS]

  banned while you and I are still putting the time horizon that while we are alive [TS]

  I mean I would take that bet I would take that of course you will because [TS]

  what I mean is I would take a bet I would take a bet on a much sooner time [TS]

  horizon I'm not exactly sure what that time horizon would be but I would put [TS]

  the within our life thing at like a near 100% probability like I'd be shocked [TS]

  about that but the main reason is that humans will be banned from driving their [TS]

  own car yeah yeah if the time horizon is our lifetime yeah I would put money on [TS]

  that without a doubt I always wanted to make it clear that I'm I am open to the [TS]

  possibility that there is something I'm missing something or not considering [TS]

  that I may be wrong here but one of the reasons why that I am bullish on this as [TS]

  well is because there are there are big advantages to be gained once you don't [TS]

  have any human drivers on the road and those advantages have to do with traffic [TS]

  flow when you can assume that all of the cars are self driving that has huge [TS]

  ramifications for how you manage traffic and stuff sounds crazy but it seems a [TS]

  very interesting computer simulations about it when you have all of the car [TS]

  itself driving you don't need traffic lights right you like that's the kind of [TS]

  advantage you can get once you say look we're just not going to have people here [TS]

  anymore and now is a city we don't need to maintain these traffic lights and [TS]

  also because the intersections are super efficient now we've massively reduce the [TS]

  amount of traffic in the city I think like everybody is all in on that as a [TS]

  goal so that's why I think it would be effective the one thing you never talk [TS]

  about when you talk about this is the fact that driving a car [TS]

  pleasurable experience like people actually enjoy driving cars so you talk [TS]

  about efficiencies and this and that and Technology and economics you never [TS]

  talked about the fact that humans like driving cars like they like controlling [TS]

  the vehicle motoring is a pleasant experience I know it's not present when [TS]

  your stationery on a la oh yeah but a lot of the time and like so you think [TS]

  people just gonna let that go without a doubt there is a pleasure to be derived [TS]

  from riding horses a car does not replicate the pleasures of a horse like [TS]

  riding a horse outdoors the connection with you and the animal like I've ridden [TS]

  horses [TS]

  it's a different it's a different experience I was gonna make it like I [TS]

  haven't driven very much at all in the last few years but some of my fondest [TS]

  memories of my life are related to driving like I understand the pleasure [TS]

  of driving a car I really do but I do not view that as a convincing counter [TS]

  arguments to people like this thing therefore this thing won't change like [TS]

  I'm absolutely sure there were lots of people who love their horses and thought [TS]

  why don't you know I never want to give up my horse right this car is stinky and [TS]

  noisy and it's not even remotely as nice as this horse this car can take me home [TS]

  when I'm drunk like my horse can because the horse it's going I think the [TS]

  question is not in the abstract are there benefits from the current [TS]

  situation of course there are without a doubt there are the question is do [TS]

  people appreciate the benefits of a car more than say the abilities that a [TS]

  self-driving car will give them for example the benefits of being able to [TS]

  relax much more on their morning commute I think people will take that benefit of [TS]

  I can just kick back in my car and relax as it drives me to work instead of [TS]

  having to be really frustrated about this traffic I think people will pick [TS]

  that over boy the occasional road trip I did through the corn in kansas was just [TS]

  an amazing experience like I don't think that works that works out in the end in [TS]

  people oh I want to keep my car because of that [TS]

  you have to compare what the what the benefits are on either side so [TS]

  continuing with follow-up with crashing through the follow-up as usual setting [TS]

  the fastest pace I don't know I've got to say I don't know why I constantly [TS]

  have this worry that was just like oh there's nothing for us to talk about [TS]

  what are we going to talk about that we have made it the real lines in school [TS]

  and this is the advantage I have doing a podcast is one of life's great over [TS]

  think is really irritating me I do not over the course of course you should [TS]

  never let me know that it's irritating you get up let's talk about YouTube read [TS]

  what's the what's the latest we spoke about this at length last time we spoke [TS]

  about it too much length I think once every ten episodes we have to talk about [TS]

  the YouTube industry saying that is ostensibly what we both do in this show [TS]

  on earth is in the official show description that we talked about you to [TS]

  everyone but yes so we recorded that episode before any of the earnings stuff [TS]

  came in from YouTube read and as we are currently recording the free trial free [TS]

  quotation marks trial is going on with you to bed there's a lot of [TS]

  complications around that I don't want to get into but we can summarize them by [TS]

  saying that yes creators are to some extent possibly to a lesser extent being [TS]

  compensated for the lost ad revenue during this free period but it occurred [TS]

  to me earlier today that we have a week's worth of some YouTube read data [TS]

  and as we discussed last time it's very hard to know from YouTube what they are [TS]

  really doing with their algorithms for how they determine revenue split but [TS]

  then I realized oh wait I actually run two different YouTube channels that are [TS]

  wildly different in their watch times so I have my channel YouTube channel where [TS]

  I mean videos are almost always less than four minutes but I also upload all [TS]

  of the stuff to be [TS]

  internet YouTube channel where the videos are vastly [TS]

  Astley longer and so what I decide to do is play around with some of the numbers [TS]

  and see ok if you to bread is distributing its revenue based on watch [TS]

  time then the hello Internet YouTube channel should have a higher percentage [TS]

  of its income coming from YouTube read than my CGP grey channel does and I went [TS]

  through and I ran through some of the numbers and I checked it and that is [TS]

  exactly the case that YouTube rate is currently three percent of the total [TS]

  revenue of the CGP grey channel and it is 12% the total revenue of hello [TS]

  internet channel so I feel like this is data that confirms yes it is really [TS]

  being distributed on watch time because otherwise there's no reason that that [TS]

  disparity would exist it is going to have some confirmation in numbers of [TS]

  what we were guessing and what we were sort of told by YouTube [TS]

  you know what that means gray more hello internet less CGP grey rubbish is that [TS]

  what you think it means I have no idea what it means I should put my [TS]

  spreadsheet concedes a Morrissey GB gray and less hello internet that but that's [TS]

  where the CEO of gray industries once you gotta follow your heart and not the [TS]

  money I show i moustache police investigate what's happening across my [TS]

  fleet of channels at some point but that the thing is again we're in this in this [TS]

  funny starting phase and looking at looking at the numbers my what I'm [TS]

  guessing is happening is that it doesn't seem like the revenue is to be clear to [TS]

  listeners up 12% I'm saying 12% of the total revenue is coming from YouTube [TS]

  read but the advertising revenue is down and so it looks like these things are [TS]

  just balancing each other out for the time being but we're also in this funny [TS]

  trial period so we really really won't know what's going on for several months [TS]

  until all the stuff shakes out so we'll we'll keep you up to date with the [TS]

  latest of YouTube news as always [TS]

  now the hello Internet flag referendum which is the the thing that has the [TS]

  house [TS]

  buzzing obviously yes the whole internet everybody at once to know about the [TS]

  hello Internet flag referred yeah yeah I mean I'm getting stopped in the street [TS]

  and also you know it's crazy like a national celebration and international [TS]

  celebration it is it's amazing it's amazing so I just a carrot to meet the [TS]

  people on the International Space Station can't vote because they can't [TS]

  get post cuts down so we we haven't really allowed for that so we must we [TS]

  must look into that anyway there's always corner cases sorry astronauts we [TS]

  have set deadline for votes yes so this is this is going to hopefully come down [TS]

  some of the people who just sweating because there is no deadline and instead [TS]

  of going out and voting they seem to be dedicating overtime to emailing me why [TS]

  they should be a deadline so I suggested instead of worrying about it just go and [TS]

  vote for Brady Brady this to me is the fact that this bothers you it seems like [TS]

  such a pretty characteristic [TS]

  just constantly irritated at this fact that people are harassing you about the [TS]

  deadline and to me it's more like you've never been a teacher if I said if I said [TS]

  this I meant and I said all the deadlines at some point in the future I [TS]

  guarantee you ninety percent of the energy from everybody would be about [TS]

  harassing about the deadline no amount of like why don't you work on your [TS]

  homework instead I would mollify the crowd just like this seems so natural to [TS]

  me but this is your your your workaholic hard as nails Brady get stuff done [TS]

  tendencies just don't don't run this way this is like you coming up against the [TS]

  masses [TS]

  well Saito those people who have been emailed me about it Gray has just [TS]

  described you as acting like a bunch of school kids and I think that's probably [TS]

  fair enough of course I've been doing exactly what the deadline that's why I [TS]

  like my sympathies are with these people [TS]

  deadline the deadline my friend is December 3 the votes must be in the [TS]

  postal box not the postbox not your post box the votes must have [TS]

  arrived at my P O box right in Brady's P O box in Bristol and I know he can [TS]

  decide you gonna say oh I live in the mountains in Western Bhutan and [TS]

  postcards take three months to arrive anywhere [TS]

  well then just like the people on the space station I'm afraid your votes will [TS]

  not be counted in this election because there are none and I'm not I don't care [TS]

  when you think was postmarked I don't care when it was sent that's when I [TS]

  arrived in the box and if that discriminates against you I really [TS]

  regret there and I wish they hadn't happened but we have to count those [TS]

  votes and we are doing that we have decided the date that we're going to [TS]

  count the votes and to do that I need the postcodes do you really regret it [TS]

  though I don't feel any any tiny sense of regret you have to pick a date I do [TS]

  if if someone sent a postcard the day we announced because they live in some [TS]

  obscure place or Italy which has the worst postal system in the world because [TS]

  they live in some obscure place their postcode doesn't arrive I genuinely feel [TS]

  bad about that I don't think there's anywhere on earth that if someone had [TS]

  sent the postcard the day the podcast went up about the flag referendum that [TS]

  it wouldn't arrive in your post box by then because it's like a month later [TS]

  that like a month later it's more than that it's well over a month later say I [TS]

  I hope that's the case by the way if you ever in Roman you want to send a [TS]

  postcard don't send in Rome go to the Vatican and send it there because their [TS]

  postal system is amazing and that's a little tip for new players if you want [TS]

  to send mail from Rome going to the Vatican I have to imagine that any place [TS]

  in the world that's going to take more than a month to get a postcard somewhere [TS]

  is not a place with a high number of podcast listeners that is probably true [TS]

  but I'm sure but I bet I'll be hearing from them that's for sure you know Brady [TS]

  just like how we still get tweets from people who tell us that they are not on [TS]

  a plane currently have postponed till the end of time now you know what I'm [TS]

  tired I'm totally cool with that and I think that we should leave that hello [TS]

  hello Internet . FM / [TS]

  what's called flag flag flag yeah I think we should leave the address their [TS]

  further for future people that listen to the podcast and they can still send a [TS]

  postcard and tell me what they would have voted for and do what they like [TS]

  because you know that we may use that post box for other things so so you can [TS]

  still send something in don't feel excluded and you know if you want me to [TS]

  say you're funny postcard and go ahead and do it but if you want to count in [TS]

  the vote it must arrive by 5 p.m. UK time on December 3rd now you can get to [TS]

  work and granting grin I will scoop them all up and will be going through your [TS]

  votes send your postcards which is is gonna be the highlight of the year for [TS]

  me Shirley yeah I'm really looking forward to this I'm really looking [TS]

  forward to this everyone is still tweeting pictures of themselves sending [TS]

  in their votes which are really cool so one person's sent in sent me a picture [TS]

  of their postcard from in front of the white house and things like that but my [TS]

  favorite goes to at T underscore animal who showed me the postcard they've sent [TS]

  in and basically what they've done is over the section where their votes are [TS]

  written all these post-it notes in some configuration so that the the the postal [TS]

  workers can't say what they voted for the top of the post-it notes is secret [TS]

  voting information underneath soon may only be removed by hello Internet staff [TS]

  I love I love I love that so that's has spoiled ballot though [TS]

  well that's what they said in that way they've written output posts 11 my vote [TS]

  to keep it secret is that legal question mark so and that's a fair question don't [TS]

  anyone else took we may have to discuss spoiling the face if we get hundreds of [TS]

  people doing that's going to be a pain in the butt of all those post this is [TS]

  why we actually had the rule about no envelopes because we were trying to get [TS]

  that kind of thing it sounds ridiculous to say we have no envelope rule because [TS]

  we don't want to open the envelopes but again we know from experience that this [TS]

  kind of stuff when you have to do it in the hundreds opening the envelopes makes [TS]

  a severe difference [TS]

  if they were hundreds and hundreds of lines with secret ballots on it I think [TS]

  we would have to declare it as spoiled ballot this guy T underscore animal [TS]

  they're getting in with this one but nobody nobody imagined to the picture [TS]

  that was sent on Twitter to make sure it's the correct one that one gets a [TS]

  special ticket for an unspoiled ballot but nobody else i'm too I'm dying to [TS]

  find out how many are going to be there I think we could get past two thousand [TS]

  here quite easily it's not out of the realm of possibility we can have so much [TS]

  data as well great we haven't discussed this year and I'm sure you and i will [TS]

  discuss and make a formal announcement soon but I do like the idea of us [TS]

  somehow making over the data public as much of the data public as possible and [TS]

  people can manipulate in order in different ways and I think we should [TS]

  kind of you know open source in some way that works that we think is appropriate [TS]

  so we'll see what we can do about that but we haven't discussed it I've already [TS]

  been thinking about this because no no I have been appropriately thinking it but [TS]

  I have been I had been wondering about how to get the reference data into some [TS]

  sort of shareable format because when you doing in Alternative Vote it's [TS]

  actually quite easy to count the ballots physically like to physically move them [TS]

  around piles is a very easy thing to do [TS]

  which one the reasons why I selected this as opposed to some other methods [TS]

  but the thing that to me is interesting is to see an aggregate amount of data [TS]

  about where do first preferences go how to the second preferences breakdown and [TS]

  so like it's easy to count but there's a much more complicated story to be told [TS]

  in the preference data itself [TS]

  well one of the things I've been thinking about and again I have I have [TS]

  not discussed this with you doing it publicly on a podcast for the first time [TS]

  might not be the smartest idea but you know I'ma go with the flow kind of guy [TS]

  you are just a nice guy but we did say unlike the official page with the [TS]

  instructions that what you write on the postcard may be seen on the Internet [TS]

  we made that clear because you know we're gonna video the accounting so [TS]

  everyone is aware that what's on this postcard it could be public and we even [TS]

  said if you put your name on there be aware of the internet so we have said [TS]

  that so we could feasibly just scared the backs of all the postcards and just [TS]

  let's say two people sort of that yourselves but I'm not totally sure [TS]

  about that I think maybe that's not there are no easing [TS]

  I'm trying to think about how do you actually get this stuff in a shareable [TS]

  format and I think there are actually enough postcards where this may be a bit [TS]

  like we need to bring some extra people to help us but there's the front of the [TS]

  postcards which would be interesting if we can share them in some way and then [TS]

  there's the there's two sections of the back which is potentially has something [TS]

  like a return address on it depending on how people write a post card out so it's [TS]

  like say we can share that with us what I like obviously that can't that can't [TS]

  be there but there's at least going to be half of the postcard which is [TS]

  theoretically shareable because it's just a list of preferences and then [TS]

  maybe a funny thing at the bottom but that that i think is gonna have to be [TS]

  something that we see when when when when we get closer to the day but I'm [TS]

  honestly thinking like do we need to hire someone to help us in put all of [TS]

  the pressure and stuff into a spreadsheet to share on the internet I [TS]

  think we might have to rethink brady's nephew could be could be cashing in here [TS]

  with the day's work maybe look at that put him up put into it before scanning [TS]

  all my brown papers for number files and maybe this could be a job and rolling [TS]

  out the papers on the million pie dating right now yeah he was one of he was one [TS]

  of the slaves there as well December 3 you've been told and we will also [TS]

  Twitter and Facebook or whatever however we share things and then people will [TS]

  still complain that we didn't tell them [TS]

  well you'll to it I'm not under way which we might come to that is being [TS]

  released in November and that is a big months in the world of facial hair so [TS]

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  really long shelf life unfortunately every time I show it to someone that [TS]

  also means I have to explain this was recorded in November and they kind of [TS]

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  there were two flag referendums going on in the world at the moment that have [TS]

  captured the imagination [TS]

  hello Internet flag referendum being the most important obviously and there's [TS]

  also the New Zealand situation which I think New Zealand situation is probably [TS]

  an appropriate name for after the debacle of their flag 830 shame real [TS]

  same with the doing over there only [TS]

  shaming example of how to run this sort of thing for them to follow its too late [TS]

  it's too late for them I don't know if it's too late for Fiji because I have [TS]

  any just been made aware of the fact that it seems Fiji is another country [TS]

  which has got fed up with having a Union Jack in the corner of their flag and a [TS]

  going for a new flag and they're going through a process as well why are you [TS]

  saying it in this weird way is it 3G [TS]

  this is this is one of those words that you and I gonna say differently why do [TS]

  you say I say gee that's weird I think it's an Australian think maybe it's just [TS]

  a brady thing but I think maybe it's an Australian thing but now you're saying [TS]

  it more like me I think I just polluted your brain with its I say Fiji [TS]

  but you said like your job or something in the beginning I i say Fiji yes yes I [TS]

  split up more than you were is you sort of say more continuously and we could [TS]

  spend a long time talking about the pronunciation of this country if you [TS]

  want or we could cut to the flags [TS]

  insulation while the distracting I'm sorry but it's just bizarre Bazaar which [TS]

  is why I had to comment on it it is well I think it's crazy that you say but I [TS]

  had to do with us [TS]

  yeah you have to do with AJ so come to my rescue Australians and say that we [TS]

  are pronounced incorrectly together but maybe it maybe it's just me whatever you [TS]

  wanna call that country F [TS]

  let's call it country F now they get a new flag I was not aware of the Fiji [TS]

  flag referendum was going on so they seems to be an official website that the [TS]

  government is running or it seems like it's the official website I am NOT going [TS]

  to recommend that because it is a bit like wading through treacle even trying [TS]

  to find the pictures so I put this other Lincoln the show notes for you great [TS]

  which seems to be some third party that has put them has put them all into one [TS]

  place so you can run an eye over them up once I think that's all of them and AM I [TS]

  allowed to click this because you have the you have a note here that says I'm [TS]

  not allowed to click this will that's because I wanted people to hear your [TS]

  first reaction to seeing them and now people can hear because we're recording [TS]

  a podcast you may now click on it so people can do things I have to admit [TS]

  that I do not have any idea what the Fiji flag currency looks like I look [TS]

  that up first you got a current Fiji flag first hope you should explain to [TS]

  people what the current legs sorry sweetie I can't think of your flag off [TS]

  the top of my head [TS]

  CID CID I grew up with ya he grew up with the flag of Fiji yeah cause you [TS]

  know it's it's it's on my doorstep when Australian it's just it's one of these [TS]

  standard British Territorial places flags so there is the union jack in the [TS]

  upper left-hand corner much like New Zealand [TS]

  the rest of the flag is light blue almost sian yes like to realize it's not [TS]

  the same blue eyes that's in the Union Jack they've given up like a light blue [TS]

  Union Jack is a light blue jacket is navy blue exactly on the Australian flag [TS]

  in the museum flag [TS]

  the blue of the flag is the same as the blue of the Union Jacks up fits in [TS]

  nicely in my opinion on valujet sort of stands out of it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

  quite a few cheap food you picked a different blue light blue and they have [TS]

  a face shield in the in the corner where there are on the right hand side where [TS]

  there is space with Lion on the top and some looks like some local flora and [TS]

  fauna in the bottom quadrants of the shield complicated quite busy shooed I'm [TS]

  like I'm being a less harsh than I would normally be because this to me just fits [TS]

  in with this whole universe of flags that look exactly like this [TS]

  of all of the various former British territories or dependencies in one way [TS]

  or another is not a good looking flag but there's a ton of flags that look [TS]

  just like this in their own in their own ok to take a look at the link that you [TS]

  have hear from you have a look at the candidates for a new flags now I don't [TS]

  know what the situation is I don't know what's weird if there is like a [TS]

  referendum I've read a bit about the same like it's an official thing that [TS]

  the government's doing I think I think we're heading towards a new flag and [TS]

  there there are some candidates they're just glancing at it I mean I would say [TS]

  most of these are probably better than the current flag again because the [TS]

  current flag is not great but these look like I would be curious know the design [TS]

  process by which these came into existence because these are a lot of [TS]

  very similar looking flags so all of them have that same cyan light blue [TS]

  color background to them and almost all of them have a triangle on the left hand [TS]

  side pointing across the flag [TS]

  or they have a ship design somewhere else and it's it's a bit like in the New [TS]

  Zealand flag referendum where they had the two choices [TS]

  flags that were the same except for color palette swaps and we have these [TS]

  Fiji flags there are a lot of them that are very similar with a small design [TS]

  change it makes it harder to pick out which one you immediately like because [TS]

  many of them are so similar and we are looking at a couple of the night at the [TS]

  bottom design 56 and designed 57 are the science background and then I don't know [TS]

  what kind of brown sale in the center with a flower design in the middle of [TS]

  the sale may be and as far as I can tell the only difference between these two [TS]

  designs is the number of petals on the flower design if the sector that's quite [TS]

  specific 57 has a little palm tree in the middle of the flour and 56,000 oh is [TS]

  that what it is I'm looking at this page has done a smart thing which is reduced [TS]

  them down to the size at which they're going to look when you're seeing them in [TS]

  real life when you're looking at a flag in your visual field it's really only [TS]

  two inches across [TS]

  so I'm looking at the overall gallery that has shrunken them down and shrink [TS]

  them down 56 and 57 are almost impossible to tell apart as are many of [TS]

  the others [TS]

  yeah and like 54 and 55 is funny because it's like a boat sailing on the water [TS]

  and just the boat has been moved at one of them say they like giving you every [TS]

  possible little variation invariant and permutation to vote right do you like [TS]

  your boat in the center of the flag or do you like it more towards the left [TS]

  yeah it's a bit like hanging a picture of something so anyway [TS]

  anyway I think maybe we should take a bit more time to digest and figure out [TS]

  what's going on here because this is new information to both of us and we don't [TS]

  want to go rushing in talking about a referendum we don't fully understand [TS]

  because way of all people we have all people understand how important and it [TS]

  is so much about the details I wanna know how are these flags created how is [TS]

  the boat going to happen there many many things to know here [TS]

  the many things to know here I'm just looking at them to see which ones they [TS]

  are a couple of the do catch my eye though which i think are better flags [TS]

  that that light blue is a real anchor for them because I really unfortunate [TS]

  color and combining it with brown as they have in a few variations here is [TS]

  out of the question as far as I'm concerned Brown is a difficult color to [TS]

  work with at the best of times combining it with Siam is not a good choice not a [TS]

  good choice [TS]

  some of the boats are a bit complicated but some of the more stylized sale ones [TS]

  looked too much like the corporate flag of a local councilmen things that say hi [TS]

  i havent got position yet I need I like you one more time I also understand some [TS]

  of the meaning behind the stuff as well cuz meaning is important that scam but [TS]

  let's come back to it but it's just exciting to know there is another flag [TS]

  going on this is an exciting time to be alive so we will put a link in the show [TS]

  notes for these these designs for the future flag and I look forward to [TS]

  discussion in the red for which ones people like I think so I'm hoping that [TS]

  the the Fiji government will fly over some consultants from liberia to help [TS]

  out with some designs cause I think they needed some more liberian influence in [TS]

  their flags that were going to say what should really happen which is that feed [TS]

  you should hire us as consultants we can start a whole side business Brady as [TS]

  flag referendum consultants could you imagine anything that would be more [TS]

  awesome than that like what I would do that just to do that [TS]

  formerly normally it'd be like oh well let me just plug this into my [TS]

  spreadsheet let me make a business decision about whether the return on [TS]

  investment for my time in this project is really worth it but if there was some [TS]

  nation that said listen we need we need someone to talk to you need some [TS]

  consultant for Flagler Ave like all right I'll just do it [TS]

  years ago I went to eat the IPN made some videos about chemistry in Ethiopia [TS]

  and like as a little as little thank you [TS]

  the Ethiopian Chemical Society made me an honorary fellow so I am actually an [TS]

  honorary fellow of the Ethiopian Chemical Society [TS]

  and I got a certificate things that made it was one of the greatest thing that [TS]

  ever happened to be able to say yes i'm i'm an honorary fellow of Chemical [TS]

  Society at Los I think that could I think that could only be topped by being [TS]

  an official flag consultant to the Fiji government or anybody there's plenty of [TS]

  flags out there that could use updating and governments that could use some [TS]

  consultants 2011 a little quick follow-up in the last podcast you [TS]

  mentioned a film that I know you like Mean Girls and I said we should watch it [TS]

  together live broadcast a pajama party together but I couldn't way and I'm [TS]

  having some pretty lonely nights so I went ahead and watched I am so [TS]

  disappointed Brady I thought I thought we were going to have a slumber party [TS]

  gonna be breeding each other's hair doing our nails watching Mean Girls I [TS]

  was looking forward to this evening with you we could have painted the county [TS]

  flags of liberia on each other's nails have their say there were so many things [TS]

  that are in our slumber party which I thought mean girls might be a nice [TS]

  kickoff to but you just couldn't wait so I'm disappointed truly am in the AM say [TS]

  I'm not going to discuss the contents of the film there's going to be no spoilers [TS]

  I won't even discuss whether I like it or not but it will give it away a little [TS]

  bit to say that I've been recommended to my wife that she was she was she was she [TS]

  was having a slumber party [TS]

  a friend of hers was staying over last night she said I was gonna watch some TV [TS]

  or a movie we don't know what to watch and I said to her i watch Mean Girls I [TS]

  just watched that so they watched it and I was talking to her this morning about [TS]

  the fam and then I said she said you know why did you watch that [TS]

  recommendation come from and I said you're not going to believe this but the [TS]

  Rays are recommended was because of safety why is that so unbelievable shape [TS]

  she almost fell off a chair when I said that recommendation to come from you of [TS]

  all people and the one question I have for you is what did you first what show [TS]

  how did you first come we cross paths with this film you may not know this [TS]

  about me [TS]

  but I I am I am almost an expert in chick flicks I have seen so many chick [TS]

  flicks in my life now I cannot give the details under which I have seen these I [TS]

  cannot name names that might implicate anybody who would be the reason why I [TS]

  have seen so many of these movies but I am like I am like a serious expert on [TS]

  what makes a good chick flicks and what doesn't make a good chick flick as I [TS]

  have seen so many I have actually have seriously debated writing a script for a [TS]

  romantic comedy at one point I was like this is not a bad idea for a romantic [TS]

  comedy I know the rules I know how this works I know what makes a good romantic [TS]

  comedy and what doesn't [TS]

  I think I could do this I'd love to know your romantic comedy Scribd the [TS]

  environment I am genuinely not going to tell you I know what I know I already [TS]

  know it's about a computer program he keeps getting the same drive over the [TS]

  course of a few years and their relationship develops from there doesn't [TS]

  work that's that's not now you know I was making sure I'll ironies of chick [TS]

  flicks to you so we should have a we should have a not compare notes on what [TS]

  you see when you watch the lot you pick up on the rules like they have very [TS]

  clear rules about how things work out things don't work there so many bad ones [TS]

  that it's it's kind of delightful to find a good one I mean I wouldn't [TS]

  khomeini was a romantic comedy it's there at their different genres of check [TS]

  their sub-genres of check this is why use the word chick flick right because a [TS]

  romantic comedy in my mind is large largely not exclusively but is largely a [TS]

  subcategory of chick flick although I will say romantic comedies can sometimes [TS]

  straddle the line for more broader audiences I would say love actually is a [TS]

  good example of that but it's it's a romantic comedy which is a bit outside [TS]

  the Venn diagram of a traditional chick flick [TS]

  but I think let's take something like The Devil Wears Prada is another good [TS]

  example in like a chick flick that is also not a romantic comedy the romances [TS]

  is almost no interest in that movie like it so much attention to that Devil Wears [TS]

  Prada yeah so quite good if you haven't seen it [TS]

  fellow in there is also a chase from Entourage he's in that in a very very [TS]

  minor I have no idea who that is but I am I am impressed with your knowledge of [TS]

  this person so you seem to be loved him was products in a few times good quality [TS]

  very good quality that is it is it is very good it is very good we have to [TS]

  find another good too much on our slumber party maybe we should have maybe [TS]

  we could have a chick flick episode of other Internet we just review review a [TS]

  few of our favorites compares you have any thoughts of many thoughts on site to [TS]

  look at this unexpected similarity we have discovered maybe we can collaborate [TS]

  on a script or you could write a script and I could come in the door policy at [TS]

  the end maybe I mean honestly it sounds like this is fertile territory we might [TS]

  have a whole spinoff podcast which is the chick flicks did I'd be set up for [TS]

  that would be totally [TS]

  you know what we could actually become a major voices and influence on the chick [TS]

  flick industry if the podcast became big enough yeah yeah like our reviews make [TS]

  or break I love this idea I'm all on board I don't know if we could fit in [TS]

  between FAA consultancy business and yeah it's just this is the problem you [TS]

  know there's so many so many things to do so little time to do them I know [TS]

  you're not into it at the moment cause you're weird weird weird about it anyway [TS]

  I said you these pictures cause you had to say them [TS]

  yeah and 11 was of two people one of them is a gentleman I don't know who the [TS]

  second person is it I don't know if it's a gentleman or a man because their [TS]

  identities concealed but they have dressed up as CGP grey the robot and [TS]

  Brady the caveman for Halloween party [TS]

  and the cavemen I guess the caveman guy looks a bit like me cuz he's got like [TS]

  sort of my color hair bit and you know it's a pretty handsome guy but the CGP [TS]

  grey outfit is incredible it is one of the best heavyweight outfits I've ever [TS]

  seen he's an end the CGP grey is even giving a flower to the caveman an [TS]

  emerging flower but you have got to see this [TS]

  CGP grey Halloween outfit is outstanding [TS]

  will finally find the link for the show notes but yes that I have to say seeing [TS]

  that see their Halloween costume just was amazing and brighten my whole day as [TS]

  did not believe there are one people who were dressing up as US for Halloween [TS]

  right this is like a little weird moment across in your life when someone you [TS]

  don't know is dressing up as you [TS]

  you know definitely a Halloween sometimes friends dress up as each other [TS]

  that the funding to do but to have a stranger dress up as you is it is a [TS]

  weird barrier to cross but they did such a great job on this i think i think both [TS]

  costumes were just great and that the CGP grey one must have taken a lot of [TS]

  effort to do and it's based on the on the animated hello Internet animated [TS]

  ASCII version of the siege recreate the robot and it just it looks astounding it [TS]

  really does and I have to say the flower to flower emerging gift was definitely [TS]

  the cherry on top of that amazing cake like it was just such a nice little [TS]

  details so to those costumes those are really good now one other listening and [TS]

  this was a friend Chris who worked with Air Force One right right so this comes [TS]

  from Chris now people will remember christmas he worked he drives the stairs [TS]

  for air force one he took it took a picture of his phone plan hello internet [TS]

  with air force one in the background to the podcast while waiting around for the [TS]

  president to come and go now [TS]

  first a sad news is that he's moving he's moving to a different station the [TS]

  coldest a permanent change of station in the military and he's leaving sort of [TS]

  the the the Washington area [TS]

  so here I think his days on Air Force One have come to an end like any job [TS]

  does but what happened was as part of his like going away he got invited to [TS]

  the White House meeting great or I don't know why he got invited to the white [TS]

  house but he did and the president wasn't there but the first lady was and [TS]

  he got to meet the first lady and shake hands and spend some time in the White [TS]

  House I read a little bit of what he wrote and fortunately from a president [TS]

  Obama had a trip I didn't get to meet him formerly of course he seen him lots [TS]

  of times getting on and off the plane but I did get to meet the first lady had [TS]

  a picture taken with her which she is she has shared while waiting for her we [TS]

  had a bit of time to look around and I could not pass up the opportunity to [TS]

  snap a picture of the hoi logo inside which I'm going to send to you now gray [TS]

  hello Internet is just getting everywhere absolutely everywhere was [TS]

  taken in this room coat the diplomatic reception room which is one of the oval [TS]

  shaped rooms in the in the main residence on the ground floor yeah there [TS]

  we go [TS]

  hello Internet in the white house with a portrait of George Washington in the [TS]

  diplomatic reception room I like it I like this idea of hello internet I [TS]

  noticed a sneaking but it almost feels like sneaking into places around the [TS]

  world [TS]

  gray I know you get a bit sick of mr Cohen as and my official things that [TS]

  come up with all the time do i do I braiding yeah well obviously you do but [TS]

  i wanna put another one out there and I i think now that we've been going over [TS]

  50 episodes it's time for us to do this [TS]

  I think though not come up a positive positive I can't I can't I can't be [TS]

  positive I can be positive just in the abstract what's the most cautious of his [TS]

  conscience about something that we're going to be dealing potentially for [TS]

  forever that's how I have to approach this [TS]

  you don't have to worry about this I will maintain I will look after it you [TS]

  have to have nothing to do with this except you have to you have to be like [TS]

  as the as a as one of the judges because I think the time has come for us to stop [TS]

  and this can take this seriously this isn't like Disney Mickey Mouse here I [TS]

  think the hello internet hold the flame for people who have gone above and [TS]

  beyond the call of duty for the betterment of hello internet and this is [TS]

  not an easy thing this is a medal of i'm talking Medal of Honor Nobel Prize [TS]

  top-level here people that have people that have done [TS]

  selfless things to make hello Internet bigger and better thing and I'm going to [TS]

  propose to you now that Chris who not only had got hello internet picture with [TS]

  Air Force One he is also now go hello Internet into the white house will be [TS]

  the first inductee into the hello internet hold a flame we second we [TS]

  second that alright I can get behind that I can get behind that there's [TS]

  definitely feels a bit like nation-building is what we're talking [TS]

  about medals and awards for those who have done great service to the nation of [TS]

  Health exactly so there we go we have a first inductee into the hello Internet [TS]

  Hall of Fame now this is not an easy thing to get into people I don't want [TS]

  you to stay with some picture of you know you know and you cannot ask to be [TS]

  inducted as well if you ask to be inducted that defeats the whole purpose [TS]

  this is a decision that we will take at appropriate times but not we will start [TS]

  the hell out into the hall of fame and a first inductee is Chris congratulations [TS]

  you have survived the podcast with honor duty you have a future vision for the [TS]

  kinds of things that could be done during this medal are you n take this on [TS]

  a case-by-case basis to get into the haha code which now I would say i mean [TS]

  i'm talking you know the first person who flies to hello Internet flag on top [TS]

  of Mount Everest million from they will have a strong chance of being inducted [TS]

  the first the first person to listen to the podcast on mars for example I have a [TS]

  strong case but I don't want i dont wanna put it in a box and doesn't just [TS]

  go to great achievers this this this is the common man convicted get into this I [TS]

  don't appointed constrictions on our rules I think this is just something [TS]

  that will happen organically right thinking you have got me thinking we [TS]

  should have medal struck me see if we can get medals struck yeah I think that [TS]

  would be nice [TS]

  that's not a bad idea that's not a bad idea at all I see when you say striking [TS]

  medals now I get much more behind this I like this because then also that also [TS]

  put constraints on us about how many how many were actually going to give out yes [TS]

  but it makes it much less frivolous if we have to send a box with a metal [TS]

  somewhere I think it needs to be an extent exclusive thing I you know what [TS]

  this is this is done [TS]

  ok the middle I'm now sold on this with metals get medals me it is it ok to have [TS]

  a cold hello into the Hall of Fame what is needed to name just need something [TS]

  that sounds a bit more you know the flames of it rock'n'roll gimmick a [TS]

  should and shouldn't be there should have been hello Internet Medal of Honor [TS]

  I don't I don't know I don't want a piggyback on the Medal of Honor cause [TS]

  such an important thing but yeah but there's there's something there [TS]

  something here I think a Hall of Fame Hall of Fame is now suddenly not the [TS]

  appropriate thing for this cheapens it doesn't say hello Internet ok here's [TS]

  here's what we're gonna have to do I think this is a momentous decision [TS]

  this can't be like a feature on 5003 just decide live on the show his gas [TS]

  this campy that I think we need that we need to seriously think about what this [TS]

  is but yes I like the idea that we will actually send meddlesome where ya and [TS]

  that it needs a an important sounding name so I think this is also something [TS]

  that the hello Internet communities to help us with here so I I will be looking [TS]

  for discussion in the reddit for proposed ideas on a name is in a vote by [TS]

  this isn't a referendum this is Brady and I as the jack and queen of hello [TS]

  internets will be taking a decision about this suggests the Jack of Diamonds [TS]

  and queen of spades right of course of course but we are soliciting input from [TS]

  the community and we will be making some decisions about this and what it and [TS]

  whatever it is the first one will be going to Chris [TS]

  internet onto the runway with Air Force One and into the white house yes sofa [TS]

  sex for the betterment of hello Internet perfect absolutely Paris there now he [TS]

  did you did mention for the truck five thousand this week we are doing the not [TS]

  bi weekly weigh in because you don't have access to the regular scale and I [TS]

  do have access to copious amounts of pace in which I've been aging every not [TS]

  there's a place in Berkeley co cheese board and my goodness that place is is [TS]

  is going to be responsible for my death [TS]

  delightful dissipates it is pizza place great and it's really really popular and [TS]

  every night they have like the pizzas made and that's the pits you have to [TS]

  have there's no lecture she can't go and say you know how to add this Robin this [TS]

  is just tonight this is the page so we're serving and people queue around [TS]

  the block to buy dispatcher turned out and you just have what they're serving [TS]

  and it is really good [TS]

  this is an excellent way to start off our way and I may have mentioned before [TS]

  but there was a pizza place that my wife and I discovered in Las Vegas which was [TS]

  called 800 degrees pizza which was [TS]

  by far and away the best pizza I've ever had in my life and as someone who's [TS]

  grown up in New York have tried lots of pizzas and different places the fan of [TS]

  lips of many different kinds of pizzas but this was just the best buy a lot [TS]

  like I may have gone there for several meals in a day at some point I may I may [TS]

  have had the staff very well in a short period of time recognize exactly who I [TS]

  am and what my order was these things that may have occurred but I said to my [TS]

  wife at the time as I was stuffing my face with his delicious pizza I'm gonna [TS]

  be honest here it one of these opens up in London I may just have to accept [TS]

  living a shorter life that the train I might take 10 years off the end of my [TS]

  life [TS]

  the worst years they come off the end so while we are discussing her renewed [TS]

  efforts on a healthy lifestyle we also can of course discuss the list yes I can [TS]

  say your renewed efforts my my renewed efforts have taken a massive blow but [TS]

  I'll get back on the horse when I get back to England I promise this is one of [TS]

  the things that I really think about this kind of stuff what do you think I [TS]

  just think about Brady now I think with anything like health or any kind of long [TS]

  long change long-term changes you want to make I find it very helpful to think [TS]

  about it not in terms of how I'm doing this thing and I'm going to make a [TS]

  change and then if I fail than that that's bad I think it's best to do to [TS]

  focus on it in terms of getting back on the wagon is actually the skill that you [TS]

  need to develop but you should expect that many times especially when you [TS]

  start something new you are going to fall off the wagon and the thing that [TS]

  matters is the getting back on right it's not calling off true true and [TS]

  that's always my problem my problem is as we've discussed before I was at the [TS]

  senator that [TS]

  demise will fail completely and what you're saying is don't have that as you [TS]

  know except except Joe lapses and don't just throw it all in [TS]

  let you know don't never give up more importantly I think it's it's not even [TS]

  accept your lapses its understand that this is part of the process and the [TS]

  question is over the space of a long period of time are you getting better at [TS]

  this or not better at this but the individual apps like this is just a [TS]

  thing that happens is this just a paris FR start thinking about this when I was [TS]

  reading about his reading about people who quit smoking and some research I [TS]

  like what is effective and what is not effective and that one of the things [TS]

  that was coming out of this research was that almost nobody is successful [TS]

  quitting smoking the first time that people who actually quit smoking for a [TS]

  long periods of time [TS]

  require 456 serious attempts at quitting smoking before they're actually [TS]

  successful at it and that what the results are showing is that the process [TS]

  here is that if the attempts at quitting that they are learning what their own [TS]

  failure conditions are but they're learning what are the kind of things [TS]

  that caused them to fall off the wagon and that they're getting better at this [TS]

  than I think we're not doing weekly weigh in this time but I just felt like [TS]

  I want to mention just a couple of things about like for anybody who wants [TS]

  to join us on the 55,000 I think this is a useful thing to keep in mind [TS]

  that's good it's really good advice and i also want to mention because I totally [TS]

  forgot to say last time simply back a bit about this [TS]

  the exercise shirt that we have such you can join Team sit around 5,000 they're [TS]

  actually exercise shirts yes they are made of polyester where I should find [TS]

  the actual description of them but they became has an attorney Brian they have [TS]

  the moisture wicking these are not the regular cotton t-shirts that you happen [TS]

  to be able to exercise I i especially asked if he be a if they could make real [TS]

  exercise shirts for us and this is the thing that they were able to do so this [TS]

  is their serious serious exercise shirts to to get started with but there was [TS]

  some confusion over that last time this is how incident man we don't mess around [TS]

  when we're gonna be meeting medals soon [TS]

  yeah now it's it's it's it's it's real stuff and 22 other just minor points [TS]

  then switches that I don't know if there's going to be anything that's it [TS]

  then switches that I don't know if there's going to be anything that's it [TS]

  really done with it but I did make the Videotron 5,000 subreddit in case people [TS]

  want to discuss the theater and lifestyle with my god what have I done [TS]

  to you and I also feel like we need to settle on an official visit Iran 5,000 [TS]

  hashtag because on Twitter since you're so constrained for space actually [TS]

  writing out for 25,000 takes up a lot of what you want to do so I think the [TS]

  official hashtag should be hashtag fot 5 k that's what that support should do it [TS]

  i'm not i'm not i'm not as enamored with them but I can say the logical and is [TS]

  quite funny that you've done it so let's do it [TS]

  hashtag fot fuck a shot of Patron can actually write for the patron 5,000 [TS]

  you've lost twenty percent of your words that that's a joke to me but yeah you're [TS]

  right you sometimes you just gotta be practical to be practical sometimes so [TS]

  anyway I'm just throwing that out there if people want to talk about getting [TS]

  started or discuss whatever strategy not that not that I encourage more people to [TS]

  read a cause I think you're ready the poster boy for read it too much but what [TS]

  what are you expecting people to put on the footage from 5,000 suburb subject to [TS]

  some private like they're like their their stories their inspirational [TS]

  stories the pictures of them with the show and i know i know im viewing this [TS]

  as the opposite of the CGP grey subreddit I keep really locked down like [TS]

  I'm the only one who composed of that I make them make the discussions official [TS]

  and there are advantages and disadvantages doing it that way whereas [TS]

  footage on five thousand I'm just throwing it open to the winds that this [TS]

  this one is this one is for the community I'll be curious to see what if [TS]

  anything people want to post their but like I was just thinking of a forum for [TS]

  me getting started with this stuff I guess it's useful to see different [TS]

  strategies that people use a different things that people try like this there's [TS]

  a lot out there and it's hard to say that what's going to work for everybody [TS]

  the thing that I had been really aware of that has been successful for me is [TS]

  totally startling which is which is doing weight training that even though [TS]

  that is not actually directly related at all to weight loss I have found that the [TS]

  that lifting weights in the gym which is a thing I just never thought that I [TS]

  would do I'm just not that kind of guy but having that has been this [TS]

  surprisingly helpful through line that has made for me like getting back on the [TS]

  wagon consistently easier when it's like oh there's this other area of my life [TS]

  which is health related it's not weight loss related but it's also an area it's [TS]

  like oh ok I can see that I make consistent progress as long as I do this [TS]

  relatively simple thing and that's something that has been totally [TS]

  surprising to me but has definitely been one of the things that has has helped me [TS]

  a lot with getting started like that's one of my little pieces of advice for [TS]

  some people like if like me you think of yourself as like a nerd and not the kind [TS]

  of the person not the kind of person who would go to the back of the gym where [TS]

  the free weights are [TS]

  I was this guy and I have supply have found that surprisingly effective for me [TS]

  anyway did trainers in the personal trainer is not always tell you [TS]

  lifting weights is a good way to lose weight but tell you i think is going to [TS]

  happen on the finish on five thousand subreddit it's gonna be just lots of [TS]

  people talking and not a lot of people listening [TS]

  everyone's going to go on this swearing by their method and saying this is the [TS]

  only way to do it everyone else is doing it wrong and you should pay attention to [TS]

  this and you should do this and then the next person say this is how you should [TS]

  do I make my people could read them and the internet is for arguing Brady [TS]

  that that's the purpose of the machine that allows people to argue with each [TS]

  other I wanted Internet community but I don't want people to argue is like well [TS]

  to take your ball and go home [TS]

  today's episode is also brought to you by cover [TS]

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  so you're going to want to score a good demeaning and hover is the place that I [TS]

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  get it up and running you're all set now if you have a registered a domain name [TS]

  anywhere else you know the companies make it difficult to actually get your [TS]

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  well having just told people to go to a subreddit and given them a hashtag the [TS]

  Twitter [TS]

  let's talk about the CGP grey weird kind of silence with all these things for the [TS]

  next however long you want to talk about this pretty quickly because I think [TS]

  you've I think this is vintage grey over thinking [TS]

  and over reacting like i read your little article about and which was which [TS]

  is really cool and like all your article is very well thought out and well [TS]

  written and I understand I understand the logical but I just think I just [TS]

  think you're overdoing it [TS]

  this how you know because the other day that was a nice weight and so I I texted [TS]

  to you and said oh great have a look at this way it's really nice and you [TS]

  couldn't even open because like you said I can't look at Acas on Twitter and so [TS]

  presumably have some technical ban in place of stocks evening out with a look [TS]

  at Twitter if you want oh and I think I think that's a bit extreme yet just as [TS]

  just as quick background for the listener I did what I did read this [TS]

  article on my website called dialing down where I talked about a bunch of [TS]

  things in my life that I want to reduce to some extent over the next month [TS]

  intentionally a little bit vague on on precisely what I'm doing when I wrote [TS]

  that article because it is a process that I am going through but yeah I [TS]

  wanted to reduce some of the things and so one of the things that I have done is [TS]

  all of my devices now reddit's is blocked and twitter is blocked so yes [TS]

  when Brady send me a link [TS]

  he's like look at this Tweet if I tap on it it just opens nothing it just opens a [TS]

  blank page in the browser on the machine that I'm on I haven't posted anything [TS]

  directly on Twitter for bill is this is the 8th of November so since the first [TS]

  of November I think I haven't posted anything directly and yeah I'm [TS]

  dramatically dolly back on Reddit and a bunch of other things this month I i [TS]

  dont i dont think its I don't think it's over thinking anything I don't think [TS]

  you're dialing down there I think your packing up will switch off you know I've [TS]

  said this before about you when you do you disagree with me strongly and as [TS]

  your run but I think this is another example of CGP grey binge behavior it's [TS]

  like it's like the opposite of binging it's like Angie binging you've gone from [TS]

  confusing something just not using it all this snow [TS]

  there's no sort of tampering or just modifying its just like I'm gone gone [TS]

  thats it and turning it off and I just think it's why I say the benefit to us [TS]

  and I i see how much time I believe away to Twitter and read and things like that [TS]

  and I admire you for taking such strong action and you know grasping the nettle [TS]

  to use attorney you know I like I just think I just think it seems like [TS]

  overkill think it seems like you just don't know my my feeling on it is I'm [TS]

  having I'm having a hard time expressing why I wrote that article and precisely [TS]

  what I'm trying to achieve but I think one of the things I'm trying to figure [TS]

  out is how much of the external world do I want to let into my life and I mean [TS]

  that in the broadest of all possible ways I'm also not listening to podcasts [TS]

  on my phone this month which is another thing that I used to do just a lot and I [TS]

  think in trying to find like what is the appropriate level of external stuff [TS]

  coming into my life it's it's useful to try for a while what i think is a level [TS]

  that is too low to try like I'm trying to find try like calibrates what is what [TS]

  is the level at which I want to have external stuff come into my life and so [TS]

  I'm trying to have it be too low to get a better sense of where is the median [TS]

  point my case it's like you've got music and you decide what the best vol is so [TS]

  you've turned the tile all the way down to zero and you just gradually gonna [TS]

  turn it up until you find the level you like in some ways that might be what I [TS]

  try to do over the next little while and so this this month I'm intentionally [TS]

  lower than is reasonable I do not live a life where it is possible to not be on [TS]

  the internet the guy like that my internet is a huge part of my personal [TS]

  life and also my business life so I am very aware that this is this is not a [TS]

  a level that can be maintained for a long period of time but maybe the the [TS]

  volume analogy is a is a good analogy that you turning at lower and then [TS]

  trying to turn it up to see what's to see what happens are defined to find [TS]

  where is the comfortable place for this but I don't know it's been weird like [TS]

  I've been doing it for about seven days now and in some ways my life doesn't [TS]

  feel all that different actually like I miss Twitter much less than I expected I [TS]

  would this is also why I felt like I wanted to commit to this to commit to [TS]

  this for awhile commit to it said like trying this for a month because I also I [TS]

  kind of thought this behavior would manifest itself in myself that I go [TS]

  doing almost anything for a week is easy but the question is doing it for more [TS]

  than a week i doing it for a slightly uncomfortable amount of time is is where [TS]

  you really figure something out anyway yes that's the thing that I'm doing it [TS]

  does it does mean that I'm not seeing what people send me on Twitter and I am [TS]

  I am going on ready but only when I'm posting some things you like when this [TS]

  podcast goes up beyond ready for a little bit to see the feedback from [TS]

  people that is important but I'm not just like hanging out on reddit [TS]

  like I used to I'll be curious to see how it unfolds and you're out great [TS]

  article is definitely worth of great people so the show knows for sure gonna [TS]

  have a look it up I do think I don't know I just think you sort of make you [TS]

  making yourself this kind of virtual hermit and doing things sort of in your [TS]

  extreme way and that's good I mean it's good that you do it so the rest of us [TS]

  can benefit from the results going to lab is what you mean pretty I mean I [TS]

  signed endlessly frustrating because it just makes you you know harder to [TS]

  communicate with that you know a problem you have been replying to my emails and [TS]

  texts in sort of the usual time frames so I guess I can't complain it's a shame [TS]

  that I think you need to tweet what the new deadline is for error but I got a [TS]

  lot of people will follow your Twitter don't follow the other ones but ok I'll [TS]

  do that I'll do that through the system that I'm using something called buffer [TS]

  even though I can't access Twitter there's this website where indirectly I [TS]

  can [TS]

  post something to this website which then posted on Twitter so I have access [TS]

  to that ok maybe you're right I will post the the deadline for the elements [TS]

  that flag referendum to buffer yeah this is this is crucial information that is [TS]

  crucial information is vitally important [TS]

  vitally important we'll watch this space I would like to talk to you about again [TS]

  because although a joke about it and I talked about your big penis and I think [TS]

  you're overthinking it over cooking as usual I think it is you know I think [TS]

  this is one of the real professional problems for people like us and it's a [TS]

  huge problem for me and so I do admire your ability and discipline to do this [TS]

  even though I think maybe taking a bit so I'll be really curious to find out [TS]

  the results this to me felt very much like the the the day that I set up the [TS]

  grade Twitter health spa where some part of my brain said this is a good idea I [TS]

  don't exactly know why but it feels like it's a good idea let's do this really [TS]

  quickly before we think ourselves out of it and so that article was was a similar [TS]

  thing like something about this feels like a good idea let's put this article [TS]

  up as fast as possible before we can think of all the reasons why we [TS]

  shouldn't do this case have a question for you is this just came up in a [TS]

  conversation earlier with someone else today and the question is do you sub [TS]

  vocalize [TS]

  question to us about class I guess my first question would be what does that [TS]

  mean right so I only recently learned what the word [TS]

  vocalize means as well I came across this thing I just realize what I'm just [TS]

  about to say to make fun of me but I was reading a book on how to read books [TS]

  thinking he has a few weeks ago I thought I read a lot of books I should I [TS]

  should think about how he looks better and so I found no DVD finished the book [TS]

  you're reading about how to breathe [TS]

  that's right time I just invited to that one [TS]

  you're reading a book about how to read books yet so I came across this little [TS]

  section we've talked about this thing that they called sub vocalizing and what [TS]

  this means is when you are reading something if you're reading an article I [TS]

  read a discussion thread whatever it is so now I'm directly asking you Brady [TS]

  when you do this is there a narrator in your head that you hear reading the [TS]

  words to you when you read that don't think so [TS]

  it's like one of those things that when you think about how you do it you [TS]

  suddenly forget how you do it ok so here is the conclusion I've come to with this [TS]

  cause I i've asked a few people about this since I came across this and my [TS]

  conclusion is the the fact that you are doubting is an indication that you [TS]

  generally don't drive has when I asked people you get either get the answer [TS]

  people immediately say yes or you get exactly what you do which is like do I [TS]

  hear a voice I don't think I hear a voice but the people who hear ur voice [TS]

  when they read they know where they're not uncertain in the slightest it's very [TS]

  hard case more than a dime because I'm definitely not said this blew my [TS]

  freaking mind because I didn't know that anyone could read without hearing a [TS]

  narrator in their head the whole time that they're reading this is astounding [TS]

  to me that such a thing is even possible that a person can look at the words and [TS]

  not hear someone in their head [TS]

  reading the words to them so you do something I do some vocal eyes and I did [TS]

  not know if it was possible to read without doing this this is just [TS]

  astounding to me who's doing what they sound like it sounds like me reading in [TS]

  my head so you sort of hear your voice you've got a nice voice at least you got [TS]

  a nice voice reading too so i dont know dont wondering if I 2010 so so when [TS]

  you're reading a book right and thats been written in like say the third [TS]

  person and then there's a quote Mark you know John walked up to the the bank [TS]

  teller instead could I have $20 place [TS]

  the Qatari could I have $20 in quotes [TS]

  voices that in this in my voice is still in my voice that's okay so it's not like [TS]

  you're in a rate of the wetness quotes Golden Compass write my own voice [TS]

  doesn't put on a voice for itself [TS]

  reading above it doesn't try to do the girl parts in a girly voice this is not [TS]

  what's happening in my head but it is as though I was just reading something out [TS]

  loud in my normal voice of course what I mean is I don't hear it like like an [TS]

  auditory hallucination hear a voice but this is this is this is the kind of like [TS]

  there's a voice [TS]

  ok so here's where I'm going with this which is the other thing that that then [TS]

  this is led on to me with some other people which is like so when you think [TS]

  thoughts do you think thoughts and words or do you think thoughts and not words [TS]

  and show you how to answer I always ask people who speak two languages too I say [TS]

  to you think in English or do you think in German rights they always say that [TS]

  always to have another the lowest I think in English or I think I had a [TS]

  teacher who said I think about physics in German cause I learnt physics in [TS]

  Germany that I think about telling your story I think in English so the more [TS]

  accurate way to say it is it's not really like I'm hearing my voice like [TS]

  with my years in my head but the voice that is reading the book in my head is [TS]

  the same as the voice that thinks the thoughts in my head but it's also this [TS]

  realization that I hate it seems like the same people who don't sub vocalize [TS]

  their the same people who seem to not think thoughts and words [TS]

  when I focus on it I am pretty sure that I am NOT capable of having a thought [TS]

  that is not verbally expressed inside my own brain if it's it's like Heisenberg's [TS]

  uncertainty and all that likes the Act the act of observing your thoughts I [TS]

  think immediately puts them into words so I think I think I think it's the [TS]

  minute you think about it like the whole the wavefunction collapses and suddenly [TS]

  all your thoughts here in words I think that's quite possible and and when [TS]

  you're not thinking about other online that's exactly what I would expect in on [TS]

  some vocalize her to say when I look at it it it it forms in words and I'm very [TS]

  much aware they get from walking around it like parts of my brain are talking to [TS]

  other parts of my brain like there's like there's a little narration that's [TS]

  going on in there about this is how thoughts are expressed they are [TS]

  expressing a very vocal way and at least an at least in my father with reading it [TS]

  seems like this matches up pretty clearly that the same people who when [TS]

  they read a book they hear a thought they hear a voice in their head reading [TS]

  the book to them seem to be the same people mostly who when they think [TS]

  thoughts the thoughts are very verbal thoughts and they don't seem to think [TS]

  thought that are not so horrible thoughts but I just like my I would have [TS]

  predicted that you were in Anza vocalize their just because we're so different in [TS]

  absolutely everything that it seemed like it would be astounding to me if [TS]

  we're the same on this one but this is this is one of those things where it's [TS]

  just you come across a thing and you think how did I not know about this [TS]

  difference between people like this is it almost reminds me of like when I was [TS]

  a kid and i got glasses for the first time and I was blown away by the way [TS]

  normal people can see it's like how did I not know that the existence like this [TS]

  you can recognize a person from across the street by their face not by how they [TS]

  walk that's amazing [TS]

  but I feel like the the sub localizer thing is the same thing that I can I [TS]

  just cannot understand how anyone can read without hearing the words in their [TS]

  head that is unbelievable to me my instinct here is that in fact we do do [TS]

  the same thing we describe it differently like my I just find it so [TS]

  hard to believe that we would do you think we would sink or raid so [TS]

  differently so my instinct is what I do when I read is the same as you but you [TS]

  described as hearing the words and I just haven't given up that description [TS]

  but my other question is if we do do it differently and you do have this voice [TS]

  this nation going on in your head and your brain is talking to different parts [TS]

  of your brain all day do you think it slows your thinking down its like it [TS]

  sounds to me like that would be a slow process 'cause having to go through this [TS]

  extra level of abstraction I feel like I am a slower reader than other people [TS]

  because it I wouldn't be surprised if [TS]

  of reading testifying readings lower than other people because of it and it [TS]

  sometimes almost feels like it takes longer to read then maybe it otherwise [TS]

  should I don't know if that's if that's really true or not but yeah I would be [TS]

  willing to bet that you read faster than me at a comparable level of [TS]

  comprehension on comprehension test where we scored the same that you would [TS]

  have read something faster than I would have read it is is my guess I get this [TS]

  is that this is the case but the only thing you know you just you just [TS]

  mentioned in the only thing you're saying are you surprised that that if [TS]

  we're actually doing something different it does remind me the only thing I can [TS]

  think of it similar to this is in one of the richard fineman books which are [TS]

  always excellent everybody should read them they're great he mentions I forget [TS]

  the exact details of the story but it is him talking to some other physicists and [TS]

  somehow in the course of the conversation they run into the question [TS]

  about whether or not someone can count in their head while someone else says [TS]

  random numbers out loud [TS]

  yeah I remember this year and five min says I go is a key can possibly do with [TS]

  any other guys like what you mean you can't do it so easy to do it and over [TS]

  and over the course of the conversation what they discover is that when fineman [TS]

  counts he is doing it [TS]

  auditory early in his head in the same way that I would do it right when I [TS]

  counted my head there's a voice in my head going 12345 and that the other guy [TS]

  is visualizing numbers when he counts in his head that there's no auditory part [TS]

  there can someone saying out loud random numbers doesn't mess him up in the way [TS]

  that it messes fineman up so it wouldn't surprise me people are doing things [TS]

  different but when you get like an email from May and you're reading it you're [TS]

  reading my words in your voices like CGP guys reading brady's email to CGP grey [TS]

  you don't hear that my voice [TS]

  the answer is for the most part no but I am aware that every once in a while if I [TS]

  read something that someone has written that is particularly in their style it [TS]

  will switch to that person's voice and this is the reason why would expect the [TS]

  people who hear a voice in their head there so universal is there's a stand [TS]

  heard ready joke or people who write something like you are now reading this [TS]

  and Morgan Freeman's voice right like to be writing a comment on the throw that [TS]

  in and it works every time with me it's like oh yes now Morgan Freeman is in my [TS]

  head reading this sentence for a little while I get it totally activate this but [TS]

  like others some subset of people who just think that's a joke but it's not [TS]

  really working on them as I guess what's happening because I always assume that [TS]

  everybody did the same thing I did but that's not the way it's not the way it [TS]

  is [TS]

  the world is a strange and unexpected place still don't believe I still don't [TS]

  believe it when I ask you a question and you react to meet you react so quickly [TS]

  and will say the next thing so quickly that I can't believe you're having to go [TS]

  through all these like levels of 90 that's that's different that's different [TS]

  when you're talking when you're talking is not that that's not the same thing so [TS]

  any rate he said it's true thinking as well so if I ask you a question like I [TS]

  said question not great what do you think about this controversial subject [TS]

  you don't have to think what do I think about this controversial subject let me [TS]

  see what do you think about it now because because nobody does that [TS]

  nobody's medic thinking about it when you ask me a question the voice that you [TS]

  hear is the voice in my head using the mouthparts to express sound to you so [TS]

  that you can write thats whats how that's what talking is but it is not [TS]

  like my thoughts are talking to someone who then like a great now we gotta work [TS]

  them out and make this is not an extra level of going on now there's not an [TS]

  extra layer filtering going on there really not happening [TS]

  well this is interesting stuff I i dont know if I'm looking forward to reading [TS]

  the reader comments about it but I'm sure there will be a lot I am I'm [TS]

  expecting there will be mind blown in the subreddit [TS]