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H.I. #58: Hawk & Mouse


  I just feel I just feel after every [TS]

  section out slightly over you [TS]

  I wonder if I don't make it probably [TS]

  know why do you think that Brady that's [TS]

  also why i'm so confused about things [TS]

  I've talked about before the final class [TS]

  tonight because I there are things I've [TS]

  talked about and you've cut and then [TS]

  like a few weeks later I might have like [TS]

  a second bite at the cherry and if i get [TS]

  through this time it's it's let your [TS]

  like it's like when your parents say no [TS]

  to something and then you ask them a few [TS]

  weeks later I sometimes feel like that [TS]

  with topics on the podcast was like our [TS]

  great cat I wonder if i get away with it [TS]

  next week [TS]

  this this feels like the episode that [TS]

  nearly didn't happen [TS]

  yeah because you are in california which [TS]

  is awful for many times own reasons we [TS]

  have gone over before it is impossible [TS]

  to record but it is night time for me [TS]

  and very early morning for Brady as far [TS]

  as I'm just ray gray you know where i am [TS]

  and you know I want to hear you say site [TS]

  decide for me you're in san francisco [TS]

  pretty at the spiritual home of [TS]

  numberphile yeah [TS]

  hey it's berkeley always it perfectly i [TS]

  didn't know if that was ever let me stay [TS]

  you weren't there so often it feels like [TS]

  maybe you should just tell me when you [TS]

  are not at the spiritual home of [TS]

  numberphile right when planning when [TS]

  you're in England let me know when [TS]

  you're not there now as i say to you [TS]

  have recorded so many episodes here that [TS]

  it should be the spiritual home of hello [TS]

  internet i actually haven't spoken to [TS]

  you since you took delivery of the [TS]

  package of classic and pro flags for [TS]

  signing oh yeah yeah i was just [TS]

  wondering what you thought of the flags [TS]

  when he's finally touch them and you [TS]

  know handled them for the first time I [TS]

  was quite impressed with the flags that [TS]

  you were able to get made I have to say [TS]

  they were extremely quality feeling in [TS]

  the hands and I thought 11 us [TS]

  yeah nice and nice and thick you know [TS]

  they felt like real like this is a flag [TS]

  that is going to be flown somewhere but [TS]

  but the one thing I was wondering is I'm [TS]

  sure have have you have you kept one for [TS]

  us [TS]

  Brady because i was i was thinking i got [TS]

  i got this whole big package of flags [TS]

  and i'm signing them for people and and [TS]

  sending them off it took them off [TS]

  the post office but as I was going [TS]

  through the the package and signing all [TS]

  the flags one by one I thought is there [TS]

  going to be a flag for me i didn't [TS]

  actually order and the average was [TS]

  wondering like oh I'm getting to the [TS]

  bottom of this I don't think there's a [TS]

  flag for me [TS]

  well we have a slight conundrum here huh [TS]

  because I sort of pre ordered a batch [TS]

  and then the orders came in from people [TS]

  that wanted these they're quite [TS]

  expensive so I wasn't expecting I wasn't [TS]

  expecting a lot of orders yet the pro [TS]

  flags [TS]

  yeah but there was only one pro flag [TS]

  left at the end so in this i have more [TS]

  made there's only one and this obviously [TS]

  two of us and I basically I kept it for [TS]

  myself [TS]

  catalog story show I just didn't think [TS]

  it didn't think what would you do [TS]

  without you it's not like he put up in [TS]

  your house or it was just I didn't think [TS]

  he'd want 1i thought you'd be happy just [TS]

  knowing I had 1i am happy Brady because [TS]

  if there was one in the box i would have [TS]

  thought oh that's really lovely i'll [TS]

  give this to Brady for safekeeping but [TS]

  you've already kept one and i don't know [TS]

  i didn't even cross my mind that you [TS]

  would already have one in your little [TS]

  Brady clutches [TS]

  I was just gonna go we must have just [TS]

  sent them all out but no we didn't of [TS]

  course so yes I would have just I would [TS]

  have looked at it admiringly for a few [TS]

  moments and then send it right back to [TS]

  you for safekeeping [TS]

  well i have got one so if we ever have [TS]

  another sort of public event like a [TS]

  Darth Vader was event or something we [TS]

  have one that can be sort of flowing [TS]

  over the event or something if necessary [TS]

  if necessary if necessary i think that [TS]

  is absolutely necessary [TS]

  yeah this is going to be in our in our [TS]

  rider whenever we do events in the [TS]

  future that the flag must be flown above [TS]

  whatever venue we are going to be at all [TS]

  right and like if one of us ever like [TS]

  shuts down one of our youtube channel [TS]

  that has to be flown at half-mast and [TS]

  things like that [TS]

  mmm yes and we would we would request [TS]

  that all of the hello Internet flags [TS]

  around the world be flown at half-mast [TS]

  if one of the channels get shut down or [TS]

  I guess on the inevitable day when one [TS]

  of us dies first [TS]

  yeah something suddenly this is really [TS]

  quite morbid but yes [TS]

  yeah when you inevitably die before i do [TS]

  Brady i really hope that everybody puts [TS]

  the the flag and [TS]

  mass that would be the respectful thing [TS]

  to do I wonder if your wife would see [TS]

  the funny side if you died at your [TS]

  funeral I gave her like a photo that [TS]

  nylon gave leg i think a more touching [TS]

  thing could not happen reading sorry man [TS]

  i'm happy because we had mental image of [TS]

  being in your field or am I gonna get [TS]

  out of my head [TS]

  hello internet suddenly serious [TS]

  I've actually taken the pro in the [TS]

  classic off the market temporarily [TS]

  because it was just such a fast [TS]

  packaging them inside them and then [TS]

  sending them to you for signing and like [TS]

  even though they're quite pricey I still [TS]

  thought this is like taking loads of [TS]

  time and effort and this is why [TS]

  listeners of the hello Internet podcast [TS]

  might notice that anytime there's a [TS]

  one-off thing that happens one of us the [TS]

  Brady advice is the one who always [TS]

  handles it so i think i mislike goes up [TS]

  on ebay anytime there's flags for sale [TS]

  you recently did like a a special run of [TS]

  t-shirts on like teespring that was [TS]

  separate you did the the two animals [TS]

  t-shirts on teespring everything that [TS]

  the one-off is really a brady off [TS]

  because I will not touch one off things [TS]

  with a hundred-foot pole because I just [TS]

  I hate how much of a fast they are and [TS]

  like you said it is always so much more [TS]

  of a faff then you think it's going to [TS]

  be [TS]

  yeah even if it's something simple like [TS]

  oh someone's going to send me flags and [TS]

  then I'm just going to pass them on [TS]

  it's always so much more of of a pain [TS]

  then you think it's going to be and what [TS]

  my own experience was I know when I [TS]

  first started doing the crowd [TS]

  fundraising thing at one of the rewards [TS]

  that i did was i did these handwritten [TS]

  postcards that I was sending out to [TS]

  people while they were really fun to do [TS]

  and while like people always had me [TS]

  write really funny things or sometimes [TS]

  quite touching things actually in the [TS]

  postcards like pushing people happy [TS]

  graduation and all like all these other [TS]

  kinds of things i eventually had to stop [TS]

  because it was it was just like this [TS]

  this flag problems like man this takes [TS]

  up a surprising amount of time to do [TS]

  these things individually and to send [TS]

  them off to the post office and so that [TS]

  was my lesson in scalability I will [TS]

  touch no project [TS]

  x that cannot scale automatically mm but [TS]

  I'm very happy to work with you Brady [TS]

  because you like to handle the one-off [TS]

  stuff you'll complain but you'll still [TS]

  do it you're still having to handle them [TS]

  because you had to take them all out and [TS]

  followed them and so on them and follow [TS]

  them back up and put them in their [TS]

  envelopes so I did it for the nation [TS]

  Brady right it was our flags i was happy [TS]

  to do it but still you handle the bulk [TS]

  of it and I felt like the least I could [TS]

  do was eventually get around to sending [TS]

  them out [TS]

  I have to say I mean it's not like we [TS]

  can ask for signatures a lot but i'm [TS]

  always reluctant to not sign something [TS]

  if I made someone in fact i would never [TS]

  not sign something if I met someone [TS]

  because i remember when i have asked [TS]

  people for signatures and the ones who [TS]

  have refused and the ones who haven't [TS]

  and it's burned in my memory to this day [TS]

  how much it meant to me when I like met [TS]

  like my favourite cricketer and he [TS]

  agreed to sign something for me and I [TS]

  also remember the people who said know [TS]

  who said know who was the most [TS]

  heartbreaking Brittany I'm it's ok you [TS]

  can share with the group I'd rather not [TS]

  go into the nose actually it's too [TS]

  painful the memory there are no fair [TS]

  enough that you'll share when you're [TS]

  ready really appreciated i'm still in [TS]

  autograph refusal counseling [TS]

  yeah it's a you know if the traumatic if [TS]

  the traumatic event it's traumatic [TS]

  events did I ever tell the podcast the [TS]

  story about when I met my cricket hero [TS]

  and don't know i think so but I don't [TS]

  know it's been too long you tell it [TS]

  again anyway so my cricket hero [TS]

  it was a wicketkeeper for the west [TS]

  indies cricket team called jeff john and [TS]

  he retired from cricket by this point [TS]

  and he was now a coach of the cricket [TS]

  team and that cricket team have happened [TS]

  to be an Adelaide and i was working by [TS]

  this point and i took my lunch break off [TS]

  work and I'll stressed in my you know my [TS]

  shirt and tie and everything and I went [TS]

  down to the cricket practice where they [TS]

  were training so that when they came out [TS]

  of the training session I could try and [TS]

  ask for his autograph and he was rushing [TS]

  from one place to another and he was [TS]

  refusing everyone going past or the [TS]

  autograph collectors and I cold out and [TS]

  I said Jeff can use can you sign this [TS]

  credit card for me and he sort of the [TS]

  sort of shook his head and kept going [TS]

  and then I looked at him and I said Jeff [TS]

  I've come here in my lunch break and I [TS]

  like held up my tie like I grabbed my [TS]

  tie [TS]

  held up image and showed him my tires [TS]

  proof and he looked me up and down you [TS]

  saw i was dressed in that work attire [TS]

  and then I just put on this pleading [TS]

  face and I said you're my boyhood hero [TS]

  and he just caved and he came over and [TS]

  sign my card and the minute he did that [TS]

  a hundred other people came running over [TS]

  and lined up and had to sign other [TS]

  things as well but you know what I love [TS]

  him for and i still remember that i [TS]

  still remember that he liked he heard me [TS]

  out and he made my case and he thought [TS]

  okay you've sold me on it and he did me [TS]

  a solid c i'm pretty sure that you have [TS]

  told the story on the podcast before now [TS]

  because i remember this [TS]

  I've definitely told you the story i [TS]

  just don't have total on the podcast [TS]

  will hear about it in the comments if we [TS]

  have but it just reminds me again I just [TS]

  how how sympathetic I am though to [TS]

  celebrities who don't want to sign [TS]

  autographs [TS]

  hey you you do hear from people all the [TS]

  time you know these stories that are [TS]

  burned into their minds of oh yes I ask [TS]

  this person for for a signature and they [TS]

  said no I don't know I always just feel [TS]

  conflicted about these things but people [TS]

  sometimes feel really resentful about [TS]

  that but the bigger the celebrity is the [TS]

  more his definitely like but you don't [TS]

  understand how much of a problem can be [TS]

  for that person right where it's like [TS]

  it's not just you it's everywhere they [TS]

  go all the time and then immediately [TS]

  once they start signing something it's [TS]

  like other people are going to come up [TS]

  and it can literally be is really they [TS]

  could be stuck there for hours sign [TS]

  hearing people are always gauging this [TS]

  on boy i would love to be asked to sign [TS]

  my name on something once in a public [TS]

  situation and they're not thinking about [TS]

  it from the scenario of the of the [TS]

  celebrity I don't know if I mentioned it [TS]

  before but there's a video that I think [TS]

  is the best example of what being a [TS]

  celebrity is like and it's a video that [TS]

  Jim Carrey took in Brazil where he's [TS]

  beneath that giant jesus statue have you [TS]

  seen this video [TS]

  no no okay it's astounding because it's [TS]

  it's jim carrey any he you know he's [TS]

  filming himself he's filming his face [TS]

  and he said something like oh I'm here [TS]

  in Brazil beneath the gigantic jesus [TS]

  statue and he has the camera handout so [TS]

  you're looking at the view but then he [TS]

  just slowly turns [TS]

  around so that he's now facing the [TS]

  monument and what you just see behind [TS]

  him is just a sea of people crushed [TS]

  right up against him [TS]

  all of them have their phones out [TS]

  filming him that to me is like the most [TS]

  clear example of showing that like [TS]

  celebrity at a certain level is just [TS]

  scary because you could see like he's [TS]

  crushed up against the edge of this [TS]

  monument and there's just like this [TS]

  crowd of people who just want to get [TS]

  close to him as like man everywhere [TS]

  Jim Carrey goes it must be like this all [TS]

  the time must be just awful [TS]

  so that's why if you see a celebrity [TS]

  leave them alone that's my advice people [TS]

  it is it it is always kind of packed up [TS]

  there anyway but i do wanna see that [TS]

  video is anything with it it's super [TS]

  weird super creepy [TS]

  mara so while i have been here for two [TS]

  weeks i did go to LA on the weekend [TS]

  sorry [TS]

  oh it was good i went and hung out with [TS]

  a direct from Paris tablet and we had a [TS]

  great time [TS]

  Derek from veritasium that would be [TS]

  worth going to LA for it was Duke date [TS]

  weekend really a date weekend [TS]

  well i'm away and mrs. Dirk was away it [TS]

  was just the fellas [TS]

  yeah I got there and Dirk was like let's [TS]

  go riding on bicycles like dental you [TS]

  know Venice station because everyone's [TS]

  are outdoorsy and that and I'm a little [TS]

  bit ashamed of what I'm about to say but [TS]

  really we had during a park and we had [TS]

  to borrow another one from his neighbor [TS]

  but we only had one helmet between us [TS]

  and the LA roads are kind of crazy we're [TS]

  going to be writing all these main roads [TS]

  and although it was good yeah and like I [TS]

  just got off the plane and look up of [TS]

  course I can ride a bike quite capably [TS]

  but I don't ride bikes often and [TS]

  especially tried them on la roads and I [TS]

  was a bit like hard enough I don't know [TS]

  if I want to ride a bike without a [TS]

  helmet so even though it was switched to [TS]

  Derek even that was Derek's helmet when [TS]

  he did offer to let me wear it [TS]

  I did not take the hard as nails option [TS]

  and i took the helmet and the funny [TS]

  thing was we then like posted a couple [TS]

  of selfies on Twitter and people were [TS]

  like condemning Derek for not wearing a [TS]

  helmet [TS]

  and he'd given me his own but he's [TS]

  sacrificed his helmet for me and he [TS]

  still kept it for being being not safe [TS]

  so anyone who saw those pictures and [TS]

  things that Derek was being unsafe and [TS]

  doesn't wear a helmet he was sacrificing [TS]

  his pretty face an amazing brain for my [TS]

  inferior face and braid nobody should [TS]

  catch flack for that because he was [TS]

  being unsafe i don't care if he normally [TS]

  wears a helmet it's still done Derek [TS]

  listening to this where a fucking helmet [TS]

  when you're riding your bike [TS]

  what the hell's wrong with you man if [TS]

  I'm ever gonna visit you in LA I can't [TS]

  do it if you're dead [TS]

  I love it when you get old mumsy and [TS]

  protective not being mumsy it's just [TS]

  it's stupid it's just ridiculously [TS]

  stupid disappointed in you Derek I'm [TS]

  really disappointed and then like within [TS]

  five minutes he was pulling at his phone [TS]

  and sending text messages while we're [TS]

  riding a lot of the morning right anyone [TS]

  I don't want to hear this [TS]

  I don't even want to know this is just I [TS]

  told him up for that [TS]

  oh yeah that's that's where you draw the [TS]

  line Frank you're happy to take his [TS]

  helmet away his skull protector but the [TS]

  instant gets on his phone with text [TS]

  messages [TS]

  oh that's that's over the line now for [TS]

  Brady suddenly Brady gets protective now [TS]

  there was a very funny moment though [TS]

  when we are riding alone you know this [TS]

  place like pass on the beach so you can [TS]

  ride along the beach you know it's over [TS]

  it was over a lovely and we were [TS]

  planning on saying Michael that not of [TS]

  the source file so we had to call him up [TS]

  so as we were riding a log we called him [TS]

  up on speakerphone and we were riding [TS]

  side by side while [TS]

  Marcos voice was blasting out of the [TS]

  phone and we were like both talking to [TS]

  him like looking at the phone and it did [TS]

  occur to me that if there was like a [TS]

  bystander who was like really into [TS]

  educational YouTube videos people they [TS]

  would hope they would have thought was [TS]

  that Brady and Derek just riding past [TS]

  and we're watching a veces video [TS]

  ok this is Michael's voice Blair again [TS]

  his phones that and Michael sounds so [TS]

  much like Michaels videos to he's like [TS]

  he's so the same person that was [TS]

  definitely my takeaway the first time [TS]

  meeting Michael was when you meet [TS]

  someone who does a youtube channel [TS]

  there's always a moment of calibrating [TS]

  in your brain the difference between [TS]

  seen them on camera and then just in [TS]

  real life but i have never met anyone as [TS]

  close to themselves on and off camera as [TS]

  Michael like when you give you ever in a [TS]

  room with him and he's talking to [TS]

  someone behind you get your brain can't [TS]

  help but always think like someone just [TS]

  playing a Vsauce video it's where [TS]

  someone's playing a resource video on [TS]

  their phone [TS]

  it's like oh no I'm just in a room with [TS]

  Michael he's just a few paces behind me [TS]

  talking to someone else that's what's [TS]

  going on [TS]

  it was fun but we also i mean we really [TS]

  live the finished Ron lifestyle we we [TS]

  went bike riding the first day and then [TS]

  we walked up a mountain we went up to [TS]

  the hollywood sign rule sweating up the [TS]

  hill there was kind of a very ironic [TS]

  moment when we got to the top of this [TS]

  Ridge there was a left turn or a right [TS]

  turn and the left turn would take you to [TS]

  this thing called the wisdom tree and [TS]

  the right turn would take you to the [TS]

  Hollywood sign out and we say when [TS]

  Hollywood I said there's something so [TS]

  ironic being with you here Derek [TS]

  choosing between western and hollywood [TS]

  and he's moved to Hollywood though [TS]

  derek has chosen Hollywood actor he's [TS]

  definitely the most Hollywood we also [TS]

  did go to the wisdom tree but that's [TS]

  because it was only a hundred meters [TS]

  away then after that impart wisdom I [TS]

  imagine didn't imagine it did not I did [TS]

  not I did not feel any wiser [TS]

  yeah I don't know what I like the tree [TS]

  of the knowledge of good and evil upon [TS]

  the mount now the country of good and [TS]

  evil is not an amount good evils that [TS]

  the tree in the garden of eden and that [TS]

  the burning bush up on that sign we got [TS]

  to get you back to Sunday School bed [TS]

  my son is going to to be so disappointed [TS]

  i really liked going up to the hollywood [TS]

  sign did you are like in the movies they [TS]

  always end up sitting on top of one of [TS]

  the letters did you and Eric sit on top [TS]

  of the letters and hold hands and you [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah funnily enough that's not really [TS]

  how it works when you actually get them [TS]

  really connect you can only look at it [TS]

  from behind through a huge mesh fence [TS]

  and it's a it's like disappointing but [TS]

  it is disappointing in a way i liked i [TS]

  like to sort of the grittiness and [TS]

  saying that the ladders on the back of [TS]

  it it's actually made of like corrugated [TS]

  iron like way the corrugated iron and [TS]

  then when we got to the summit there was [TS]

  a viewer i loved it because he said are [TS]

  you do numberphile and then he tried to [TS]

  say veritasium couldn't say it he was [TS]

  and he was wearing a speed master so we [TS]

  ended up just talking about speed [TS]

  masters i was at the Hollywood sign [TS]

  talking with a number file viewer [TS]

  talking about speed masters that I was [TS]

  that how couldn't have been happier and [TS]

  he got Derek's name wrong and he got his [TS]

  name room [TS]

  Derek wanted to look at a couple of open [TS]

  houses because I think he's he's looking [TS]

  at sort of dabbling dabbling with some [TS]

  real estate so we are then when he and i [TS]

  just went around to open houses together [TS]

  like that people were coming up to a [TS]

  single so what are you guys looking for [TS]

  is this really was a day weekend [TS]

  yeah two young guys and love looking to [TS]

  buy a house together [TS]

  he was a super host i tell you why he he [TS]

  went above and beyond the call of duty [TS]

  he basically chauffeured me around took [TS]

  me four nice meals wined and dined me [TS]

  directors had a lot of shows and when a [TS]

  good time he was he was fantastic [TS]

  so but I'm not gonna stop calling him [TS]

  Duke only go so far so so gray I really [TS]

  saw strongly strongly think it's time [TS]

  that we do some follow-up on guns germs [TS]

  and still now now now [TS]

  okay listen listen yeah it's just you [TS]

  and I took myself into this corner here [TS]

  listen people we will do follow-up on [TS]

  Guns Germs and Steel is where each time [TS]

  we've been preparing for the show I look [TS]

  at all of these notes and all of these [TS]

  links that i have and i just feel like I [TS]

  again I just can't even like I have to [TS]

  load all of this stuff into my brain [TS]

  before i can even remotely talk about it [TS]

  but at least this time I have an excuse [TS]

  i have an excuse to put it off because [TS]

  actually by the time this podcast will [TS]

  be up i will have probably put up the [TS]

  second part of the video so at least [TS]

  then okay well just get it all over at [TS]

  once [TS]

  next time but we're not going to do with [TS]

  this time you're not going to drag me [TS]

  into it Brady people will have just seen [TS]

  the other video maybe god I hope so [TS]

  by the time this plot gas goes up but [TS]

  I'm not getting into it now I'm not [TS]

  getting into it i love i love would pick [TS]

  when people put things off as piles up [TS]

  yeah yeah it gets worse every time [TS]

  because you keep going into office twice [TS]

  as hard next time I lived with this made [TS]

  of mine and we used to like not do the [TS]

  dishes until like there was not single [TS]

  dish left in the house and then we went [TS]

  and then we would like having we would [TS]

  have dishes day where we would put on [TS]

  music and just do the dishes together [TS]

  and off I thought that was really funny [TS]

  and I was telling this made of mine [TS]

  about it and he said that's nothing [TS]

  he had these mates whose house he used [TS]

  to go to all the time and they were like [TS]

  real slobberer university mates they [TS]

  never did their dishes but my mate used [TS]

  to always sleep on their couch and use [TS]

  their house so he felt a bit guilty like [TS]

  you owed him something [TS]

  mm so one day he looked at their kitchen [TS]

  and thought and there was dishes piled [TS]

  like almost to the ceiling like that [TS]

  they were just going out buying more [TS]

  dishes rather than cleaning dishes and [TS]

  things were getting caked on and it was [TS]

  like he said it was it was unbelievable [TS]

  so he said I'm gonna do these guys a [TS]

  favor like really surprised them for [TS]

  letting me stay in their house and he [TS]

  spent a whole day of party sleeves up [TS]

  and spend all day scrubbing these dishes [TS]

  like chiseling food off them practically [TS]

  what he says he spent four or five hours [TS]

  watching these dishes and then piled [TS]

  them up all gleaming in the kitchen and [TS]

  these guys came home and he sort of said [TS]

  I've cleaned or your dishes and they're [TS]

  like no why is that yet it took me four [TS]

  or five hours but Donna and they were [TS]

  like you did all the dishes and he said [TS]

  yeah and I didn't believe it and they [TS]

  went into the kitchen and I said did you [TS]

  do all the dishes and he said yeah I did [TS]

  all of them and I said even the ones in [TS]

  the laundry and he went into the lobby [TS]

  and they were four or five times more [TS]

  dishes piled up in the laundry then [TS]

  filled up the kitchen with dirty dishes [TS]

  and started moving them to the laundry [TS]

  and therefore up to our house more [TS]

  dishes again just caked in food piled in [TS]

  the laundry and my friends that I'm not [TS]

  doing those ones and walked away [TS]

  I can't get the hell is wrong with [TS]

  people ok listen it's like okay there's [TS]

  only two things to do in that scenario [TS]

  you buy disposable plates that you can [TS]

  throw out paper plates plastic utensils [TS]

  just buy them it's so cheap to buy them [TS]

  or you have a dishwasher [TS]

  there shouldn't be anything in the [TS]

  middle of these two options if you don't [TS]

  have a dishwasher and you could have [TS]

  people moving plates into another room [TS]

  for long-term storage supply disposable [TS]

  ones [TS]

  oh they did they did throw those ones [TS]

  away the ones in the laundry and then [TS]

  they just went out the back and smash [TS]

  them and put them in demand [TS]

  that's they were disposable ones they [TS]

  just bought the expensive [TS]

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  greyhound kona right-hand corner anyone [TS]

  this is this your other corner right [TS]

  hand corner right hand corner here is [TS]

  that cannot be a kona can i stop it from [TS]

  being a corner [TS]

  I think not you know I left great hands [TS]

  to hear you like greyhounds [TS]

  I like Lulu greyhound seems like if you [TS]

  and I were going to get behind a dog if [TS]

  there was going to be an official dog [TS]

  hello Internet it would feel like it [TS]

  would be the greyhound because i have [TS]

  one and I have great in their name but [TS]

  it seems it seems like a no-brainer [TS]

  or is that too obvious ah i mean i would [TS]

  never get a ground but you know who's [TS]

  very lovely i wonder if anyone has named [TS]

  a greyhound cgpgrey held it seems [TS]

  inevitable now that she's going to get [TS]

  this is only a matter of time [TS]

  well greyhounds have been a little bit [TS]

  in the news lately and on my mind [TS]

  why is that i read a story yesterday [TS]

  that has outraged me great outrage home [TS]

  is about the gambling industry which [TS]

  makes a boatload of money from greyhound [TS]

  racing and the greyhound racing industry [TS]

  is not something i particularly approve [TS]

  of but obviously these dogs when they're [TS]

  racing days finish traditionally have [TS]

  been treated very poorly sometimes they [TS]

  have just been put down speak terrible [TS]

  isn't it as terrible as that [TS]

  yeah i'm gonna agree with you that [TS]

  putting down dogs after their racing [TS]

  days are over is not a good not a good [TS]

  thing the ground now how racing is just [TS]

  all something that's really weird about [TS]

  it I great i agree i grew up in a place [TS]

  where there was a horse racing which I'm [TS]

  sure is not exactly like a pleasant [TS]

  industry but for some reason when you [TS]

  grow up near ish or hearing of a thing [TS]

  it just seems more normal and i never [TS]

  saw a greyhound race until I came to the [TS]

  UK and that was the first time SI camera [TS]

  where was there some big greyhound race [TS]

  track that closed down a few years ago [TS]

  and i went there with some friends [TS]

  because they were they were fans of it [TS]

  and it was won the last race anyway so I [TS]

  saw a greyhound racing just a strange [TS]

  thing to see ya [TS]

  these dogs that have been bred to be [TS]

  like cheetahs racing it's like it's made [TS]

  up to isn't it like it like you're right [TS]

  for some reason maybe it's just [TS]

  conditioning horse-racing kind of seems [TS]

  normal [TS]

  and then it's like you would make up for [TS]

  a joke or we could raise dogs or we [TS]

  could write and then but now we wouldn't [TS]

  really do that but they do that right [TS]

  now I'm sure it's probably got a history [TS]

  longer than horse racing for all I know [TS]

  but it does seem it does seem strange [TS]

  yeah but yeah but not only that it's [TS]

  like we're going to super breed these [TS]

  dogs to be amazing [TS]

  runners like we're gonna drench we're [TS]

  going to stretch their biology as far as [TS]

  we can to turn them into running [TS]

  machines so there is there is though [TS]

  this sort of retired greyhound industry [TS]

  we're not an industry is a charity where [TS]

  they they take these dogs after they've [TS]

  finished their racing days and they [TS]

  rehome them that is where literally [TS]

  comes from Lily was a racing dog lil [TS]

  erased had a semi-successful racing [TS]

  career she was retired she went off to a [TS]

  retired greyhound trust that had the job [TS]

  of finding a home for Lulu and literally [TS]

  found a home with us [TS]

  the retired greyhound industry is funded [TS]

  by the racing industry itself and at the [TS]

  moment there's a lot going on in in the [TS]

  parliament and in the media about the [TS]

  betting industry not giving enough or in [TS]

  some cases not giving any money to [TS]

  retired racing greyhounds that basically [TS]

  I have a voluntary levy and the amount [TS]

  left there giving to this it to the [TS]

  retired greyhounds has fallen by nearly [TS]

  fifty percent in the past decade [TS]

  despite the profits being in the [TS]

  hundreds of millions of pounds and I [TS]

  guess that the companies that are [TS]

  running the race tracks or whatever [TS]

  yeah they they have signed up for a [TS]

  policy of self-regulation is that oh [TS]

  don't worry we'll choose to donate a [TS]

  certain amount of money towards the [TS]

  continued care of greyhounds like is [TS]

  that the current state of things like [TS]

  they're just opting to do it that's my [TS]

  reading of it does seem like it's a it's [TS]

  basically a public relations thing I [TS]

  mean obviously the greyhound racing [TS]

  industry can get a slap a lot for the [TS]

  treatment of dogs quite rightly and I [TS]

  think for PR reasons they have they have [TS]

  these things in place and if you go to [TS]

  great i have been to a greyhound racing [TS]

  event as well they had they always have [TS]

  like a section halfway through that [TS]

  whether parade a couple of retired [TS]

  greyhounds and i'll talk about the [TS]

  retired greyhound trust so it's [TS]

  obviously sort of a a diffusing PR [TS]

  tactic to say we are weak we support [TS]

  these dogs afterwards but that support [TS]

  is clearly waning there's one gambling [TS]

  according to this article there's one [TS]

  very famous gambling company in the UK [TS]

  called betfair and they announced a few [TS]

  years ago that they were stopping their [TS]

  voluntary [TS]

  attribution of 800,000 pounds a year i [TS]

  think this is outrageous i read this [TS]

  article last night and I was so angry [TS]

  and I thought our people need to know [TS]

  this i wish more people knew and if only [TS]

  I had some way that I could tell lots of [TS]

  people about this and then sort of [TS]

  occurred to me are i do a podcast or [TS]

  cgpgrey maybe i'll mention it there and [TS]

  i don't know i don't know you know i did [TS]

  it i don't know what i want to happen or [TS]

  people to do but i just want to say this [TS]

  is outrageous [TS]

  greyhounds a wonderful wonderful animals [TS]

  and this makes me angry [TS]

  so do you think that the the bedding [TS]

  company should be required to pay for [TS]

  the Greyhounds end-of-life or rehousing [TS]

  or was it like what do you think is the [TS]

  ideal outcome here i think they should [TS]

  be forced that and this is what's being [TS]

  debated in parliament I think making [TS]

  this sort of levy and payment compulsory [TS]

  and not just a voluntary PR thing I [TS]

  think the people who are making all this [TS]

  money out of the Greyhounds should be [TS]

  doing more to rehome them and I think if [TS]

  this company like I think if the [TS]

  industry's making 237 million pounds out [TS]

  of greyhounds i think a reasonable chunk [TS]

  of that should be going towards making [TS]

  sure that these greyhounds have a nice [TS]

  life afterwards and don't just get [TS]

  killed and have the ear cut off so that [TS]

  people can't see the tattoo in the [TS]

  Greyhounds here and know who killed it [TS]

  it's not unreasonable is that ok so i [TS]

  got a couple questions here go ahead i [TS]

  will probably probably won't have the [TS]

  answers I'm just like stirred up by an [TS]

  irate that it turns out no answers to [TS]

  anything [TS]

  yeah that's how that's not as now [TS]

  internet angle works is that bridges the [TS]

  bare minimum of facts maximum oceans [TS]

  right good i love your hugs i have one [TS]

  of these bugs [TS]

  ya know that this is like this is like I [TS]

  do I have been following us for a while [TS]

  I could have gone to greyhound charity [TS]

  events and who we've been very involved [TS]

  in patronage for retired greyhounds so I [TS]

  this is very close to my heart [TS]

  obviously it's it seems to have just [TS]

  bubbled to the surface of it lately [TS]

  there's been a few stories going around [TS]

  about mistreatment of the dogs and you [TS]

  know abandoned dogs found with you know [TS]

  this year missing and things like that [TS]

  and it's got me [TS]

  it's got me stirred up the thing to me [TS]

  that is immediately strikes me as is an [TS]

  externality in economics [TS]

  there's a cost that a company doesn't [TS]

  want to bear but they are a producer of [TS]

  that cost [TS]

  it's like okay so you have this industry [TS]

  which turns through the Greyhounds but [TS]

  then they don't want to pay for the [TS]

  retirement of the Greyhounds right but [TS]

  they want to take all of the profits [TS]

  from the Prime life of the grounds as I [TS]

  ok i am anti externality in general [TS]

  because then you're not incorporating [TS]

  like the full cost of the thing and it [TS]

  like externalities are bad but I'm just [TS]

  but it's occurred to me as you're [TS]

  talking though is who owns the [TS]

  Greyhounds during their racing lifelike [TS]

  presumably the betting companies don't [TS]

  know on the greyhound now I never liked [TS]

  the right but their own vibrators and [TS]

  there are people who raised them and for [TS]

  him and these people these people are [TS]

  also under the cosh it's not like i'm [TS]

  talking about the the betting industry [TS]

  because I guess the building industry I [TS]

  think make the most money I think they [TS]

  make more than the breeders and also the [TS]

  bedding industry seem to be the ones who [TS]

  are in the firing line at the moment [TS]

  whether that's because they're the ones [TS]

  who are reneging on their commitment and [TS]

  the breeders are not reneging I don't [TS]

  know if that's the case or not I don't [TS]

  know the current status of whether the [TS]

  breeders are doing their bit and so it's [TS]

  the bedding industry they're getting [TS]

  slapped around but you are quite right [TS]

  there [TS]

  these are bred by you know people who [TS]

  race greyhounds for a living and I [TS]

  believe they have obligations in this [TS]

  area as well i'm not saying that it's [TS]

  just the bedding industry that is [TS]

  responsible but the building industry is [TS]

  what drives this industry like if the [TS]

  betting if betting on greyhounds ended [TS]

  tomorrow I think greyhound racing would [TS]

  would end within a year [TS]

  yeah that's what I was just wondering [TS]

  like who are the players here and it [TS]

  just it just occurred to me like it [TS]

  seems unlikely the company you know get [TS]

  I don't know anything about this but [TS]

  just thinking okay someone else must own [TS]

  these dogs the players of the Breeders [TS]

  the tracks and the entertainment around [TS]

  the people who you know sell beers and [TS]

  meals to people who can watch it the [TS]

  betting industry presumably TV and media [TS]

  although i don't know how much that's is [TS]

  supplementing the gambling and how much [TS]

  people just watch for the fun of it but [TS]

  there are there are multiple [TS]

  stakeholders here who who are extracting [TS]

  value to use the grays and from the dogs [TS]

  and I think they should [TS]

  put some value into their retirement if [TS]

  you were Emperor for a moment here [TS]

  mhm would you allow the greyhound racing [TS]

  industry to exist and you get to [TS]

  determine what percentage should go to [TS]

  happy greyhound retirement or if you [TS]

  were Emperor would you ban greyhound [TS]

  racing [TS]

  well that's an interesting question i [TS]

  mean obviously because i have a [TS]

  greyhound that I love like I I'm glad [TS]

  that the industry existed before because [TS]

  it brought into existence so right but [TS]

  if I was Emperor cat became for tomorrow [TS]

  that would put me in a very interesting [TS]

  conundrum that's why I'm asking [TS]

  I don't know my my first instinct was to [TS]

  say stop button but if I was Emperor and [TS]

  all-powerful I mean I see how much [TS]

  pleasure louie gets from running is this [TS]

  she's never happier than when she's [TS]

  running really fast she was just she was [TS]

  bred to love that but I mean if I was [TS]

  Emperor and I could have every every dog [TS]

  pampered and on a big velvet pillow [TS]

  eating its favorite pig's ears and then [TS]

  do one race awake and then get a nice [TS]

  pat afterwards and lots of people watch [TS]

  it and enjoy it and then they have these [TS]

  amazing retirement sand [TS]

  I mean if the live if the level of care [TS]

  was like luxury spire in vegas level and [TS]

  i'm empress so i can dictate that well [TS]

  you can dictate a percentage of the [TS]

  company's money that has to be spent on [TS]

  the Greyhounds right on welfare right [TS]

  you can't I mean unless you're gonna [TS]

  start taxing people to just take care of [TS]

  greyhounds like you're taxing the whole [TS]

  from the whole nation I think you might [TS]

  then have some some problems on your [TS]

  hands there but you could say like Oh [TS]

  fifty percent of your profits have to go [TS]

  into greyhound luxury services like [TS]

  that's what you can do [TS]

  part of me says stop but you know we [TS]

  shouldn't be using animals in this way [TS]

  but I ate mate and I don't I great [TS]

  Adonai that's a really good question i [TS]

  think if i became Emperor tomorrow I [TS]

  would phase out greyhound racing [TS]

  hmm i have been to race I've been to [TS]

  greyhound racing before I've even bet on [TS]

  that on greyhound races so there is a [TS]

  heads-up of hypocrisy there [TS]

  but I think I would be comfortable [TS]

  phasing it out over time [TS]

  yeah even if it meant that greyhounds [TS]

  ceased to exist eventually I'm going to [TS]

  be a bit gray rational about that and [TS]

  say that if the dogs if people like the [TS]

  dogs and braid them they'll continue and [TS]

  if they don't know why sort of survival [TS]

  of the fittest maybe i don't i love i [TS]

  love the idea of survival of the fittest [TS]

  as though there's any kind of natural [TS]

  selection with dog breathe you can think [TS]

  that situation where did the world's [TS]

  most bread example it's like it's more [TS]

  like survival of the cutest or survival [TS]

  of the best survival of the most [TS]

  appealing to humans [TS]

  yeah or at least appealing to a [TS]

  subsection of humans right like this is [TS]

  this is the most anti natural selection [TS]

  there could possibly be as long as there [TS]

  remains a small group of humans that are [TS]

  extremely dedicated to greyhound [TS]

  breeding like there will still exist [TS]

  greyhounds i have i've got another grey [TS]

  handle Emma [TS]

  oh yeah on a recent holiday loot it was [TS]

  running on the beach loon loves running [TS]

  on the beach that is like that is head [TS]

  navona em and i was filming here with my [TS]

  iphone and I was filming her in slow [TS]

  motion so that i could just watch some [TS]

  great you know glorious majestic footage [TS]

  of her running along the page and she [TS]

  was running towards me at absolute tops [TS]

  paid and there was a paddle in like on [TS]

  the beach that she couldn't say and I i [TS]

  well I was oblivious to it as well [TS]

  because the water was very clear and [TS]

  still and when she stepped into this [TS]

  puddle she had the most spectacular [TS]

  crash you could imagine she I mean [TS]

  you've seen the footage of it see she [TS]

  smashed down headfirst onto her neck she [TS]

  rolled onto her back she slid for about [TS]

  two or three meters on her back across [TS]

  the wet sand ordering ordering my little [TS]

  chihuahua who was watching had to leap [TS]

  out of the way because she was about to [TS]

  get clean that like a like a skittle by [TS]

  a bowling ball and like for a split [TS]

  second I thought literally had broken [TS]

  her neck and was about and she was gonna [TS]

  die but straightaway Lulu jumped up [TS]

  shook the water sand and water out of [TS]

  her coat wagged her tail and was ready [TS]

  for more running [TS]

  she was absolutely fine and as soon as I [TS]

  realized she was fine and ready for [TS]

  action [TS]

  the thought also occurred to me I just [TS]

  filmed this in slow motion [TS]

  and I and I looked up to my wife with a [TS]

  smile on my face she was just completely [TS]

  destroyed worried that literally was [TS]

  heard and I just looked at my wife and [TS]

  said I've got that on film [TS]

  yeah what a good girl Carrie ok and she [TS]

  was a bit disappointed like she was that [TS]

  all you care about is feeling I said [TS]

  look she's absolutely fine and she's [TS]

  we're gonna time she wants to run we put [TS]

  on the late for 10 minutes because we [TS]

  were worried that maybe she shouldn't [TS]

  run but she just wanted off the way she [TS]

  wanted to run she was absolutely fine [TS]

  this happened a number of months ago and [TS]

  i am yet to do anything with this [TS]

  footage other than show it to a few of [TS]

  my friends because part of me now feels [TS]

  like it would be wrong of me to take [TS]

  advantage of like her mishap [TS]

  I've been like I've been torn about [TS]

  whether i should like put this up on [TS]

  youtube for people to look at and have a [TS]

  laugh at or I should just like save [TS]

  Lou's embarrassment Lulu's not going to [TS]

  be in various now now i know of course [TS]

  she's not i know she's a dog but i felt [TS]

  a bit torn about it but I think maybe [TS]

  the time has come to put it on YouTube [TS]

  and I just I just want you to hold my [TS]

  hand here for a minute and tell me it's [TS]

  okay it's okay because Lulu is fine and [TS]

  i have never seen a more magnificent [TS]

  filming of anything human or animal [TS]

  tripping up bandages totally crashing in [TS]

  the way that she does in that video and [TS]

  again the very fact of of poor little [TS]

  Audrey realizing what's occurring and [TS]

  running to get out of the way and just [TS]

  making it the video is just perfect in [TS]

  every every way that it could be you [TS]

  have to put this up on youtube it is [TS]

  going to be a freeboot central when I do [TS]

  it isn't it yeah yeah without a doubt is [TS]

  going to gonna be everywhere immediately [TS]

  because it's it's amazing the fact that [TS]

  it's an like it would be a great video [TS]

  if it was just a regular video the fact [TS]

  that you happen to be filming in slow [TS]

  motion when this occurred is it needs [TS]

  like winning the lottery [TS]

  it's filming something like that you [TS]

  have to put it out maybe I should put it [TS]

  up and somehow do it for the Greyhounds [TS]

  do it for the Greyhounds whatever you [TS]

  got to tell yourself man just get this [TS]

  up on youtube like you can do it for the [TS]

  Greyhounds you know you can donate the [TS]

  money that's that's raised from that the [TS]

  great Huntress [TS]

  whatever man just like put it up put it [TS]

  up with great for the Greyhounds sure [TS]

  whatever you can sign off on your [TS]

  conscience with that one [TS]

  I basically want people to say it's [TS]

  amazing but of course you do and I've [TS]

  been hearing about this for months now [TS]

  write occasionally goes out solutions i [TS]

  put that video up just click just do it [TS]

  go ahead here look look here's the thing [TS]

  yeah you know now we're doing this [TS]

  podcast I'm I promise you Brady I won't [TS]

  cut out this part so this is going to go [TS]

  up and then people are going to harangue [TS]

  you for it if it's not in the show notes [TS]

  so you have to put it up now okay but is [TS]

  is this it's moment or is this a chance [TS]

  just to build up more anticipation [TS]

  because now will be disappointing i'm [TS]

  even great picked up i'm giving you what [TS]

  you want which is that I am checkmating [TS]

  you into having to put this video up so [TS]

  that you can feel that you don't have [TS]

  the responsibility of this you doing it [TS]

  for the Greyhounds right here in the [TS]

  you're in the moral clear on this one [TS]

  Brady because I'm putting it in the [TS]

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  so that is a spanner in the works if I [TS]

  intended to go to the polling stations i [TS]

  think it is june twenty third and so yes [TS]

  it is it is a in out vote on whether or [TS]

  not the United Kingdom should stay in [TS]

  the european union or if it should leave [TS]

  isn't that cut and dry in or out is it [TS]

  sort of a bit watered down and we voting [TS]

  to consider leaving and they'll be more [TS]

  steps or is it really you know [TS]

  black-and-white binary i attempted a [TS]

  little bit to look into this and it just [TS]

  it with so many of these things that [TS]

  gets so complicated so fast but my [TS]

  impression is that a vote on leaving the [TS]

  european union would start the mechanics [TS]

  of actually the UK leaving [TS]

  it's not like boom on that day suddenly [TS]

  it's out it's a bit like if the scottish [TS]

  independence referendum had gone [TS]

  differently that would have been the [TS]

  start of presumably a possibly multi [TS]

  year long project of Scotland to [TS]

  eventually become independent and i'm [TS]

  guessing that the same kind of thing is [TS]

  going to be the result of this vote one [TS]

  way or the other [TS]

  yeah but it's on we seem to like to [TS]

  track referendums and votes on this [TS]

  podcast and so now this is another thing [TS]

  that is going to be coming up something [TS]

  that we can have on our radar for the [TS]

  future [TS]

  it's a great tragedy that hello internet [TS]

  is not in one of these podcast networks [TS]

  because if we were we could have had a [TS]

  postcard referendum let the people [TS]

  decide if we should like withdraw from [TS]

  network that we could have mirrored that [TS]

  like we did the flag referendum but [TS]

  that's not to be there's not really [TS]

  anything hello Internet can be in or out [TS]

  of so we haven't really got like a [TS]

  something we can sort of secede from now [TS]

  that's because we are our own [TS]

  independent nation here Brady right when [TS]

  hearts we're not in any of these [TS]

  coalition's yeah we're a mighty mighty [TS]

  nation [TS]

  yes so I I think like there's a million [TS]

  questions about this i'm secretly hoping [TS]

  grace going to make a video but I don't [TS]

  know if you will or not he doesn't tell [TS]

  me these things but the million-dollar [TS]

  question is this [TS]

  do you think the UK should be in or out [TS]

  can you can you fight by the way you [TS]

  know that's actually a good question if [TS]

  I can vote my current voting status is [TS]

  entirely based on this funny arrangement [TS]

  that the united kingdom and ireland [TS]

  happens to have with their citizens like [TS]

  it has nothing to do with you if I was [TS]

  an Italian citizen living in the United [TS]

  Kingdom i would not be allowed to vote [TS]

  in national elections but actually never [TS]

  occurred to me until you just ask now if [TS]

  I can vote and I wouldn't be surprised [TS]

  if I'm not allowed to vote i don't know [TS]

  what the rules are [TS]

  I may not be able to vote on this as an [TS]

  Irish citizen in the UK i can invite by [TS]

  the way I i have on a fully-fledged UK [TS]

  person i have the iphone UK passport but [TS]

  do you know how you're going to vote i [TS]

  do not yet know how I'm going to vote i [TS]

  am very unfamiliar with all the [TS]

  arguments which I I think we're about to [TS]

  start in earnest now [TS]

  mm I completely and utterly reserve the [TS]

  right to change my mind but if I had it [TS]

  but if someone put a gun to my head [TS]

  right now it's a brady vote i pull the [TS]

  trigger [TS]

  I would vote to stay in the EU if you [TS]

  have any particular reasons why or is [TS]

  that just a gut feeling it's partly got [TS]

  and it's partly that I feel like some of [TS]

  the people who want to leave the a year [TS]

  perhaps have a more insula I don't mean [TS]

  in Chile in like a in a judgment away [TS]

  but they're more in the UK they look [TS]

  more into the person and they they see [TS]

  the EU as an external thing and then [TS]

  that they don't like because of my work [TS]

  I travel into the EU a lot i do business [TS]

  in the EU [TS]

  I like the freedom of all of that and I [TS]

  I suspect if the UK was no longer in the [TS]

  EU they would be just more barriers put [TS]

  up to that not necessarily [TS]

  insurmountably barriers and you know [TS]

  there was a time when there wasn't you [TS]

  and business to happened [TS]

  but it has become very easy having the [TS]

  EU as one big thing for someone in my [TS]

  position so for a purely selfish [TS]

  perspective I like being able to travel [TS]

  and do business in the EU without much [TS]

  encumbrance so I think that's a good [TS]

  thing for me [TS]

  what would be your feeling ok so you [TS]

  were whispering before like oh you're [TS]

  wondering if I'm going to make a video [TS]

  about this i don't like to talk about [TS]

  video projects but i can say it's pretty [TS]

  likely that i will end up making a video [TS]

  on this topic I mean so here's the thing [TS]

  every time I have looked into doing any [TS]

  kind of video on on the EU of which i [TS]

  have only done one that just barely [TS]

  touched on anything like the EU and its [TS]

  relationship with all of the member [TS]

  countries is just so incredibly [TS]

  complicated and I used to be very much [TS]

  more pro teu than I am now after having [TS]

  looked into a whole bunch of stuff about [TS]

  it because looking into the details of [TS]

  how the European Union operates like a [TS]

  bunch of people I used to dismiss as [TS]

  kind of crazy people about how the [TS]

  european union is super undemocratic [TS]

  like when you actually dig into all of [TS]

  the details about how the whole system [TS]

  works you like you know it kind of is an [TS]

  undemocratic governmental body like they [TS]

  just have so many weird ways that so [TS]

  many unelected people make decisions so [TS]

  I do not dismiss the criticism of the EU [TS]

  out of hand [TS]

  it's just it's the whole thing is very [TS]

  very complicated it's definitely a also [TS]

  like aside from its kind of you know [TS]

  overriding structure is a very flawed [TS]

  body like I did I certainly could [TS]

  criticize things that you do and the [TS]

  wastefulness and things like that until [TS]

  the cows come home but like you say [TS]

  that's maybe that's not the core [TS]

  argument I don't know the thing is we're [TS]

  not getting we're not getting a vote on [TS]

  changing that right well let's get we're [TS]

  just getting a vote on leaving it right [TS]

  that's exactly it like this there's an [TS]

  in-out vote and there's like a [TS]

  superstructure that maybe you like maybe [TS]

  you don't like and everybody has [TS]

  different feelings on this that the [TS]

  slang term for this argument often is [TS]

  the shorthand where people talk about [TS]

  the United States of Europe where it [TS]

  seems like there's a general political [TS]

  movement towards more of a United States [TS]

  of Europe situation meaning that the the [TS]

  various member countries are more [TS]

  unified and what they do as opposed to [TS]

  the current situation where they are [TS]

  less unified it's tied up in all of this [TS]

  complicated argument about like what do [TS]

  you want the European Union to be and do [TS]

  you want to continue to be a member of [TS]

  that I am definitely going to over the [TS]

  next few weeks [TS]

  try and dig into as much as I can of the [TS]

  argument for leaving because my natural [TS]

  first response is like you if I had to [TS]

  vote today if someone just put a gun to [TS]

  my head I would say the UK should stay [TS]

  in like that is my natural position on [TS]

  this [TS]

  I think the leaving would be a mistake [TS]

  if i'm going to put together a video on [TS]

  this i can't i can't just take my [TS]

  natural response and then just be like [TS]

  here's all the reasons that we just stay [TS]

  in so i am i am interested in seeking [TS]

  out and trying to find all of the [TS]

  arguments for the opposite side of this [TS]

  should I take from this that you're [TS]

  leaning towards the video that will have [TS]

  a have more of a position rather than [TS]

  just laying out the facts much should we [TS]

  expect a video where you come to a [TS]

  conclusion then that doesn't sound like [TS]

  your normal video you would make yeah [TS]

  well here's the thing i can't say if the [TS]

  video comes to a conclusion without [TS]

  having actually done all of the research [TS]

  ahead of time like i like i don't [TS]

  outright but it look let's imagine right [TS]

  let's imagine a scenario in which my [TS]

  initial thoughts of what are you know [TS]

  what I have gleaned about how the EU in [TS]

  the UK interact over the years of living [TS]

  here if my initial thoughts hand out to [TS]

  the way that I think they mi I would be [TS]

  very comfortable making a video that [TS]

  that explicitly said something like the [TS]

  UK should stay in the EU if after i feel [TS]

  like i have done due diligence on this [TS]

  topic that i can i can back that I'd be [TS]

  fine making a video like that but I [TS]

  don't know if that's the way that video [TS]

  is going to come out until I actually [TS]

  research more into like both my own side [TS]

  right which I don't know all of that all [TS]

  that well and the opposing side like it [TS]

  just I want to be able to [TS]

  look at this more than just my initial [TS]

  reaction so I'm curious to try to find [TS]

  legitimate sources on both sides for [TS]

  this but again my initial impressions [TS]

  which internet may be very very wrong [TS]

  but my my feeling on this from [TS]

  everything i know about the UK and the [TS]

  you it always seems like the UK has the [TS]

  best of everything when it comes to the [TS]

  European Union like the UK has all of [TS]

  these exemptions from European laws that [TS]

  it doesn't like the UK is not involved [TS]

  in the monetary currency so it doesn't [TS]

  have to deal with any of those problems [TS]

  the UK is not part of the schengen [TS]

  agreement so it has its own border [TS]

  control that is totally separate from [TS]

  the rest of the European Union it seems [TS]

  like all of the things that the kinds of [TS]

  people who want to leave the EU talk [TS]

  about it's like but the UK already has a [TS]

  lot of that stuff like it already has [TS]

  control of its own currency and borders [TS]

  and and many of its own rules [TS]

  I don't see the potential gains of [TS]

  leaving outweighing the costs like the [TS]

  the benefit of being integrated with the [TS]

  european union with the ability of being [TS]

  able to do business much more easily [TS]

  that's my initial thought on it but I [TS]

  could be wrong like that could be things [TS]

  that I'm not considering here but those [TS]

  those are my initial thoughts as of [TS]

  right now but like you say is as the as [TS]

  the weeks and months go on and people [TS]

  start having more arguments about this [TS]

  and I start looking into it more deeply [TS]

  like I'm a change my opinion on that but [TS]

  i think my vote would be to stay in i'm [TS]

  assuming you don't like the EU flag just [TS]

  boring [TS]

  it's like a boring corporate flag that's [TS]

  that's what it is like it could be a [TS]

  bank flag don't want to just want to [TS]

  just want to get you on the record there [TS]

  but you know I I don't feel super [TS]

  passionately about it because in some [TS]

  way like isn't that its job right like [TS]

  it's a gigantic supernational structure [TS]

  like like if you if you said I looky if [TS]

  you said it looks over looks kind of [TS]

  Italian it wouldn't be doing its job [TS]

  with it [TS]

  yeah job number one is to be bland and [TS]

  inoffensive think i will put a bunch of [TS]

  stars in a circle done packing [TS]

  liquid to get into it and even that you [TS]

  know they picked the most corporate of [TS]

  all colors blue in that respect it [TS]

  deserves a designer would like if [TS]

  someone said designer blared flag and [TS]

  someone came up with that like that they [TS]

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  have you seen all of the kerfuffle over [TS]

  the YouTube system lately it seems like [TS]

  a lot of people making videos about how [TS]

  they don't like how things are working [TS]

  at YouTube have you been following it [TS]

  all i have followed a little bit i mean [TS]

  i've been living [TS]

  I've been living at grey we haven't [TS]

  talked about this yeah but I've I've [TS]

  I've been at the center of free [TS]

  preaching storm in the last week [TS]

  oh yes I had a video that i posted to [TS]

  YouTube get facebook free booted big [TS]

  style hulu to such a point that it [TS]

  became a trending topic on youtube I [TS]

  think it was the third biggest trending [TS]

  now it was the third biggest trending [TS]

  topic on facebook while i was just add [TS]

  and a victim quit sparkly coincidentally [TS]

  but well-timed i was contacted by The [TS]

  Wall Street Journal that I do it that [TS]

  was doing an article about freebooting [TS]

  oh yeah and there and wanted wanted some [TS]

  I was sort of recommended to them by the [TS]

  interview is I don't think they sought [TS]

  me out but I'm sure they sought you out [TS]

  of the world expert on freebooting well [TS]

  i'm not an expert on freebooting but as [TS]

  the corner of the word as I as as some [TS]

  people may realize i think i have a [TS]

  special place in the pantheon of [TS]

  rebooting I was thinking the other day [TS]

  they like you know how I like joke [TS]

  around brag about how i came up with [TS]

  this word that's taken off [TS]

  is that something one should brag about [TS]

  like if I invented the word murder would [TS]

  i be proud of that maybe not here maybe [TS]

  this isn't your claim to fame I'm [TS]

  realizing maybe it's a claim to inform [TS]

  me you know get you know i love when you [TS]

  get used to it is it takes some time [TS]

  she's saying these things and I don't [TS]

  even know how to respond to what you're [TS]

  saying is it you really do it's just [TS]

  like you've thrown this Brady wrench [TS]

  into my brain and all of the gears are [TS]

  clogged up route from my brain is trying [TS]

  to think like okay how do we explain to [TS]

  him that coining the word is not the [TS]

  same thing as participating in the thing [TS]

  that the word is going with another part [TS]

  of my brain is going that is what makes [TS]

  me explain you must understand that I [TS]

  think that does not need to be explained [TS]

  to me but what I'm saying is if you [TS]

  invented the word murder would that be [TS]

  like a nice it's like it for disease [TS]

  gets named after you like is that like [TS]

  that's not a good thing is it but seemed [TS]

  like the very way you phrase that just [TS]

  makes my brain go back to he knows that [TS]

  it's not doing the thing right like lou [TS]

  gehrig didn't bring Lou Gehrig's disease [TS]

  to the world it's named after the [TS]

  garrick know exactly but he's like [TS]

  forever associated with it right like I [TS]

  think I don't think people they're [TS]

  blaming Lou Gehrig for this disease but [TS]

  he's associated with and if you and if [TS]

  and if we could bring him back and ask [TS]

  him the question and say do you want [TS]

  this disease to be known as Lou Gehrig's [TS]

  disease [TS]

  this is a bit different now because [TS]

  actually named after the person but [TS]

  still there is an asst yeah this is this [TS]

  is the classic Brady maneuver of taking [TS]

  something and turning it into a vastly [TS]

  more extreme version of itself was like [TS]

  yeah I got much more land much more [TS]

  likely to be here if we go back to your [TS]

  original example of like inventing the [TS]

  word murder [TS]

  how could anyone possibly possibly [TS]

  object to that like that I measure the [TS]

  word murder okay well done I mean no one [TS]

  really cares because you read you would [TS]

  forever become associated with murder [TS]

  like when you looked at me what is great [TS]

  about this pretty simple is great about [TS]

  this we need to talk about like forever [TS]

  associated with this and we clearly come [TS]

  to the point long ago maybe even a year [TS]

  ago now where the vast majority of [TS]

  people who are using the word [TS]

  freebooting have no clue who you are man [TS]

  right now it's like it's like you have [TS]

  this idea of like oh I am forever [TS]

  associated with it like are you though [TS]

  you are already and long relegated to [TS]

  the dustbin of linguistic history here [TS]

  my friend right it is only if it was [TS]

  corner of the internet that has any idea [TS]

  that this was you can granted this [TS]

  yourself at home [TS]

  Walter journals contacting me because of [TS]

  my fee making associations right it [TS]

  don't be main you're being a meanie [TS]

  reflecting you back to you in a thousand [TS]

  reflecting you back to you in a thousand [TS]

  the years like obviously obviously every [TS]

  time someone says freebooting they don't [TS]

  like think of hello internet but in a [TS]

  thousand years someone might say why did [TS]

  they start calling it freebooting and [TS]

  like some academic might start [TS]

  researching and and stumble over and [TS]

  like no one will care about like I don't [TS]

  think people are ever going to find out [TS]

  that like what i did like my job or that [TS]

  i made videos or anything like that so [TS]

  like this one thing like think now you [TS]

  make yeah you're tricking me into making [TS]

  it sound more grandiose than I think it [TS]

  is no this is what you're looking again [TS]

  you're envisioning people aren't [TS]

  thousand years from now remembering who [TS]

  you are [TS]

  no one know what I'm just making the [TS]

  point that do you want to be associated [TS]

  with coming up with something that is a [TS]

  negative thing I feel like you [TS]

  understand but you're pretending not to [TS]

  another [TS]

  this is the only done this is our [TS]

  fundamental problem it's like them what [TS]

  you talk the less i have any idea what [TS]

  you're trapped say you invented [TS]

  freebooting man you know be be happy [TS]

  about it in in the in the future people [TS]

  will look up the the root meaning of the [TS]

  word and for a brief second they will [TS]

  read your name in a book long after [TS]

  you're dead and forgotten and I imagine [TS]

  you're the kind of person that would [TS]

  bring some sort of some sort of pleasure [TS]

  to I don't think that's the case but I [TS]

  like I do like I do like to think that [TS]

  the things i do it for nothing [TS]

  mhm like I don't think my whole purpose [TS]

  for existing is so that i can earn [TS]

  enough money to buy tomorrow's dinner i [TS]

  do like to think there's more to me than [TS]

  just sustaining myself until my heart [TS]

  stops beating [TS]

  mhm but I don't like I don't want people [TS]

  to be like reading about me and [TS]

  encyclopedias or anything i have no [TS]

  visions like that but I'd like to think [TS]

  that there is a bit more to me then the [TS]

  next meal right then just your negative [TS]

  association with rebooting [TS]

  I was just thinking about it anyway I [TS]

  did I did this I did this show interview [TS]

  with this bow wall street journal person [TS]

  and and the the position was and this is [TS]

  my position at the moment is I'm just [TS]

  exhausted by by lying and I I just don't [TS]

  care anymore and all these people were [TS]

  tweeting me an email and they all these [TS]

  you know have you seen now this [TS]

  website's taken out or this players [TS]

  playing out or it's on it's on all of [TS]

  these facebook pages now and this was [TS]

  over the weekend actually while I was [TS]

  with dirt and I was saying to him [TS]

  I wish that I'd they were telling me you [TS]

  know i'm like i don't want people to [TS]

  stop telling me because I don't you know [TS]

  the knowledge is good but I almost wish [TS]

  that they didn't because it just became [TS]

  like cognitive load and I don't want it [TS]

  I didn't want to get all upset and go to [TS]

  the mattresses over I just what I just [TS]

  was like I just don't want to know I'm [TS]

  just this is what happens now [TS]

  so this wall street journal guy called [TS]

  up and I think he was hoping that ideal [TS]

  fired up and go on a rampage and I was [TS]

  basically saying to him look man I just [TS]

  I'm just exhausted by it's just like new [TS]

  job to the correct yeah as a call and [TS]

  thatís man in the world and he asked me [TS]

  a few questions and got me fired up so I [TS]

  made a few wisecracks towards the end [TS]

  i'm sure that's the only thing that will [TS]

  get used in the article if anything gets [TS]

  used in the article and i'll come across [TS]

  this like an angry wisecracker yeah [TS]

  that's what I never talk to reporters [TS]

  like here for you should know their if i [TS]

  don't come across this way I think the [TS]

  overarching theme of me on the issue of [TS]

  freebooting now and copyright is one of [TS]

  jaded exhaustion and i'm just being [TS]

  beaten down eatin just beaten he said he [TS]

  said to me you know it seems like the [TS]

  way forward for the youtubers or some [TS]

  youtubes think the way forward is just [TS]

  to start putting all their videos on [TS]

  facebook so that other people don't put [TS]

  on facebook first Who and I said I just [TS]

  said that would just be what a tragic [TS]

  way tip for the water and if they win [TS]

  the war that way [TS]

  yeah but I mean the thing is it's like a [TS]

  it's a serious consideration of course [TS]

  and it's a thing that I have totally [TS]

  tested out in a couple people who follow [TS]

  me on my Facebook page will notice [TS]

  that I have occasionally tested putting [TS]

  native videos just up on facebook for [TS]

  the exact same thing like can I at least [TS]

  be the first person to post my own [TS]

  goddamn video on facebook and try to try [TS]

  to get some some number of views from [TS]

  that you know it is it is totally [TS]

  depressing to to end up doing that [TS]

  anyway that's not that's not the main [TS]

  thing that's going on that's not what [TS]

  we're here to talk about it that's a [TS]

  that the side issue in the neverending [TS]

  exciting adventures of copyright which [TS]

  is what we're going to talk about now a [TS]

  little bit it's become a big thing last [TS]

  few weeks and I always think it must be [TS]

  quite boring for the podcast listeners [TS]

  is it's very inside YouTube but that's [TS]

  why we that's why it's at the end here [TS]

  Brady right yeah because there's nothing [TS]

  else coming people if you don't want to [TS]

  hear about copyright turn back right now [TS]

  because there's been a bunch of stuff [TS]

  about it what you want to bring up of [TS]

  these numerous things that have been [TS]

  going on there have been four videos in [TS]

  relatively rapid succession which are [TS]

  all dancing around the same topic there [TS]

  have been two videos from grade-a under [TS]

  a youtube channel i quite like that have [TS]

  been talking about problems broadly in [TS]

  the YouTube system channels getting [TS]

  taken down copyright infringement and a [TS]

  similar thing with I hate everything [TS]

  another good youtube channel talking [TS]

  about the same kind of problems like [TS]

  copyright strikes against his channel [TS]

  and then a nostalgia critic also put [TS]

  together a video talking about fair use [TS]

  on youtube and with all of these videos [TS]

  are talking about to some extent is the [TS]

  content ID system that exists on youtube [TS]

  and that this is the system that is [TS]

  supposed to allow content owners to keep [TS]

  an eye out for uploads of their content [TS]

  on youtubes system now [TS]

  I feel a bit like the like the fine [TS]

  brothers thing from last time I want to [TS]

  mention something like that relates to [TS]

  me before we get into this conversation [TS]

  that you were talking before about how [TS]

  you didn't even want to hear about how [TS]

  your video kept getting rebooted just [TS]

  everywhere all over facebook is going [TS]

  crazy just like it's you just depressed [TS]

  after a while and so I in the past few [TS]

  months have gone through something [TS]

  similar where I had for a very long time [TS]

  a bunch of google automated google [TS]

  alerts and searches for my own videos [TS]

  being uploaded elsewhere i particularly [TS]

  on youtube so i would be searching for [TS]

  titles or or very similar things with [TS]

  the titles of my videos and Google would [TS]

  send me emails like anytime something [TS]

  similar popped up and then I could do [TS]

  the normal thing which is to file a [TS]

  takedown up it was like okay someone [TS]

  just reuploaded my video on their [TS]

  channel let me fill out this long form [TS]

  and get it taken down but at a certain [TS]

  point it became just so many [TS]

  notifications just all the time that it [TS]

  became just like depressingly [TS]

  overwhelming like what i want to do do I [TS]

  just want to constantly spend afternoons [TS]

  of my time filling out the same dmca [TS]

  form over and over and over again to [TS]

  take down videos on youtube of of my [TS]

  stuff to people every uploaded and so I [TS]

  basically like turned off a bunch of the [TS]

  alerts because my feeling was like I let [TS]

  you win like you win freebooters like [TS]

  I'm just giving up i just don't care [TS]

  right and I don't even want to know [TS]

  anymore that like oh this has been [TS]

  uploaded here that's been uploaded there [TS]

  yeah but then I realized like oh wait a [TS]

  minute isn't this the whole point of the [TS]

  content ID system that YouTube [TS]

  supposedly has is that people who are [TS]

  rights holders can do this in an [TS]

  automated fashion like isn't this the [TS]

  idea of this thing and so I tried to [TS]

  reach out through a couple of the [TS]

  contact that I have at you to be like [TS]

  hey I know that I'm not one of these big [TS]

  multi-channel networks that you guys [TS]

  love to work with but like I am a [TS]

  Content owner like can I please also use [TS]

  the content ID system to try to do [TS]

  automated recognition of when people [TS]

  upload my stuff and long story short [TS]

  I i have a meeting with YouTube in a [TS]

  couple weeks that they're going to see [TS]

  if they can set this up for me right [TS]

  already in that gray i know this is this [TS]

  is one of this is one of the many many [TS]

  frustrating things with you too bright [TS]

  is like their seeming capriciousness and [TS]

  so some people are in some people are in [TS]

  I seem to be in some bizarro in between [TS]

  land where I need to convince them that [TS]

  i should be able to use this system like [TS]

  I can't let you were talking in the last [TS]

  episode about people who can just like [TS]

  press a button and have other people's [TS]

  videos take it down [TS]

  I haven't got that right but if someone [TS]

  reupload my videos it will be identified [TS]

  like automatically and that person I [TS]

  don't know what happens that person gets [TS]

  a some kind of notification i actually [TS]

  don't really look at i'm a bit it's a [TS]

  very automated and I never really see it [TS]

  much and sometimes ok i'll log into [TS]

  something and it will say so and so you [TS]

  know pinched your video but I mean [TS]

  that's only for youtube and i don't [TS]

  think i don't think that the problem is [TS]

  big on YouTube anymore i think i think [TS]

  the problem is much bigger outside of [TS]

  YouTube and that's like a web that's [TS]

  just a free-for-all we have no control [TS]

  over that is partly why like when [TS]

  YouTube creators are talking about the [TS]

  the problem of facebook freebooting kind [TS]

  of implicitly what creators one is [TS]

  something similar to content ID on [TS]

  facebook and so I bring all of this up [TS]

  because i want to have this is as the [TS]

  starting point for this conversation [TS]

  because it's very easy when people are [TS]

  complaining about the system to complain [TS]

  about big companies giving copyright [TS]

  strikes right this is almost like [TS]

  whenever I talk about politics or if i [TS]

  do a video on politics i never want to [TS]

  talk about the specifics because as soon [TS]

  as you talk about the specifics the [TS]

  conversation is like it's over before [TS]

  it's begun [TS]

  right because then people are thinking [TS]

  about their team and what the how they [TS]

  want their team to win so what we have [TS]

  on YouTube is is like in without [TS]

  thinking specific teams you have these [TS]

  two broad groups that you have people [TS]

  who are making videos and people who [TS]

  want to use fair use content in their [TS]

  videos so people who do like movie [TS]

  review [TS]

  use or there's a whole genre of people [TS]

  that fall into the sort of extremely [TS]

  broad category of reply videos which may [TS]

  or may not be fair use but let's say [TS]

  like a certain number of them definitely [TS]

  are there people who want to make videos [TS]

  and who should legally be allowed to use [TS]

  clips from other people's videos to do [TS]

  so and then on the other side you have [TS]

  content owners who want to be able to [TS]

  protect themselves from people just [TS]

  endlessly reuploading their material [TS]

  these are the two sides and YouTube [TS]

  wants to make these sides happy right [TS]

  like in in many cases like they're the [TS]

  same side rights people like upload [TS]

  videos and they also want to protect [TS]

  their own videos like it's it's a very [TS]

  very complicated case but the thing that [TS]

  I didn't quite realize before this [TS]

  latest kerfuffle is just how far the [TS]

  content ID system is really bent in [TS]

  favor of content owners like the [TS]

  structure of the way Content ID works [TS]

  vastly vastly favors the owners of the [TS]

  content and disfavors creators but [TS]

  creators are owners of content i know i [TS]

  know right like it's so like I don't [TS]

  quite understand i have a power M when i [TS]

  create content that if someone steals a [TS]

  I could I can try and take action and [TS]

  and the person at the other end fears me [TS]

  like I'm a hawk that's going to sweep on [TS]

  them and protect protect what I made but [TS]

  i but i am also a mouse every time I [TS]

  upload a video i live in fear that [TS]

  someone is going to wrongly I hope [TS]

  accuse me of stealing content so I don't [TS]

  like I am both people every day of my [TS]

  life [TS]

  it's like how do you how do you balance [TS]

  this thing but here's here's here's my [TS]

  view unlike the system-level problem of [TS]

  what's going on [TS]

  let's say right now like UD list like [TS]

  you are creating a YouTube channel and [TS]

  let's say you upload a video in which [TS]

  you have some unarguably like fair use [TS]

  material in it writes the upload some [TS]

  some video you [TS]

  little clip from a TV show that is [TS]

  reviewing or whatever right [TS]

  the way the current system works is that [TS]

  the owner of the material that you have [TS]

  used can automatically lay a claim on [TS]

  your video which to keep things very [TS]

  simple will basically means they're [TS]

  going to get any money that you would [TS]

  have earned from advertisements on that [TS]

  video yet so they can claim the video [TS]

  now the reason that this is an [TS]

  unbalanced system is because you is the [TS]

  video creator can then start a process [TS]

  which says oh but this is fair use like [TS]

  I want to appeal this I want to work [TS]

  through this whole process and say like [TS]

  oh no this is totally fair use that [TS]

  process can take quite a while to happen [TS]

  it can it can take up to three months [TS]

  like depending on how super long [TS]

  companies want to wait like if they want [TS]

  to wait until the absolute last moment [TS]

  because like a 30-day window and there's [TS]

  like that can be 3 replies back and [TS]

  forth he can take forever but the point [TS]

  is that all all how while while the [TS]

  video has a claim on it [TS]

  the person who made the claim is earning [TS]

  money off of the video that you have put [TS]

  up [TS]

  yeah and if you win your claim you don't [TS]

  get any money back that is nuts that the [TS]

  person who laid the claim keeps the [TS]

  money throughout that and then even if [TS]

  they and even if the original little [TS]

  battler wins and it was fair use they [TS]

  don't get the money for that those that [TS]

  month or three months that is totally [TS]

  crazy but the thing that compounds it is [TS]

  that you as as the person making videos [TS]

  you can only challenge three of these [TS]

  claims at a time [TS]

  let's say you have a back catalogue of [TS]

  like a hundred videos and one day you [TS]

  wake up and discover that all hundred [TS]

  videos have been claimed by some media [TS]

  company saying like you know whatever [TS]

  you have our material in here right yep [TS]

  you have a hundred videos that are now [TS]

  earning money for the the person who's [TS]

  made the claim or the company that has [TS]

  made the claim you are earning no money [TS]

  on any of those videos you're only [TS]

  allowed to challenge three at a time and [TS]

  this means like okay you can be looking [TS]

  at [TS]

  like years before you could clear all of [TS]

  those claims if they all take the [TS]

  absolute maximum of time and so this is [TS]

  where the system is horrific Leon [TS]

  balance because like okay content owners [TS]

  can lay an infinite number of claims but [TS]

  for some reason youtube has decided to [TS]

  put this arbitrary limit on how many [TS]

  claims a channel can fight at once like [TS]

  okay we have this ridiculously [TS]

  unbalanced situation where if you are a [TS]

  company that has access to this whole [TS]

  content ID system like you might as well [TS]

  just lay claim to everything like that [TS]

  you can set up the system to have rules [TS]

  about what do you want to do [TS]

  how many seconds do you want to allow of [TS]

  of content before the system [TS]

  automatically flags it you might as well [TS]

  just say like Oh allow no seconds worth [TS]

  of time like any use is not fair use [TS]

  claim everything and just have the bot [TS]

  go automatically laying claims across [TS]

  the whole of the YouTube landscape [TS]

  yeah and and then you just start [TS]

  collecting the money from that like [TS]

  there's no incentive for the the [TS]

  claimant to have any kind of respect for [TS]

  fair use if even if you are as a Content [TS]

  owner like you are every single one of [TS]

  your claims comes back as invalid right [TS]

  youtube can see in the system like oh [TS]

  this company in the past year it's made [TS]

  10,000 copyright claims against other [TS]

  people's youtube channel and every [TS]

  single one of them has come back as [TS]

  invalid [TS]

  youtube is like a thumbs-up that's fine [TS]

  right like that's legitimate business [TS]

  practice and in the meantime they aren't [TS]

  all the money while those claims were [TS]

  active like that's crazy like it's a [TS]

  crazy amount of power to give to the [TS]

  content owners when on the flipside like [TS]

  you know you either the the people [TS]

  uploading to their channels like you can [TS]

  only dispute three and if they do you [TS]

  have three go the wrong way like your [TS]

  channel get deleted it's just such an [TS]

  unfair system or it'sit's so lopsided is [TS]

  really what it is [TS]

  the other thing i didn't realize what's [TS]

  happening and i know you put this is in [TS]

  the notes it but it seems like now's the [TS]

  time to bring up the thing i didn't [TS]

  realize what's happening somewhat [TS]

  naively is this isn't just a case of [TS]

  they're being a gray area about was that [TS]

  fair use or wasn't phase there seemed to [TS]

  be companies whose modus operandi is to [TS]

  make claims against other videos that [TS]

  aren't in this gray area of fair use but [TS]

  just to make completely fake claims that [TS]

  where they clearly have no nothing in [TS]

  the video it would be like if I went [TS]

  claimed your last cgpgrey video even [TS]

  though I don't make the videos I don't [TS]

  make the music and the animation i'll [TS]

  just sum up I'm just some guy who makes [TS]

  up who exists and I'm just saying I made [TS]

  that i'm not saying i made that still [TS]

  that he took oh I made that music I'm [TS]

  just like I'm i made that i'm claiming [TS]

  it completely not debatably just [TS]

  completely fake it's like it's almost [TS]

  become like a like an Nigerian email [TS]

  scam thing where companies can just [TS]

  create this like shell company claim [TS]

  every single video on youtube as [TS]

  something they made even I've never made [TS]

  they could never made a piece of content [TS]

  in their life and that's just becomes [TS]

  this little revenue makers presumably [TS]

  some people weren't fired at some people [TS]

  might not know they've been claimed [TS]

  against in that and you just just just [TS]

  become this let's look power [TS]

  I can't believe it won't be closed [TS]

  within days now because after seeing the [TS]

  I hate everything video about her it's [TS]

  like i watch that and thought that I [TS]

  can't be real [TS]

  yeah yeah I hate everything video is [TS]

  just the is is the absolute pinnacle of [TS]

  this could be understanding its its its [TS]

  out its it's amazing but it is also just [TS]

  the natural consequence of this system [TS]

  where community comes in and says okay [TS]

  we can make claims there's no penalty [TS]

  for making false claims what we're going [TS]

  to do is just manually identify videos [TS]

  that are getting popular and manually [TS]

  put on a claim on them just edit and so [TS]

  I hate everything as this example where [TS]

  it's like oh this company called Merlin [TS]

  icc or something but that they claim [TS]

  that a section of his video is playing a [TS]

  song by someone they represent but they [TS]

  don't represent that person and the song [TS]

  isn't in the video right like this [TS]

  yeah isn't no debate about this but [TS]

  nonetheless the way the YouTube system [TS]

  works is like okay but that was I hate [TS]

  everything is most recent video it was [TS]

  it was rapidly running toward a million [TS]

  views but this company Merlin icc [TS]

  something like because of this dumb [TS]

  system like they get to make all of the [TS]

  money i hate everything won't get any of [TS]

  that money back when the claim is proven [TS]

  to be false and YouTube just that has no [TS]

  consequences to making false claims like [TS]

  that to me is the real core of this like [TS]

  you can't have a Content ID should be [TS]

  this system that is trying to balance [TS]

  these two parties right and to keep [TS]

  everybody happy but if if one side can [TS]

  act in a way that has no repercussions [TS]

  like well of course they're going to end [TS]

  up totally exploiting it and and this [TS]

  the I hate everything situation is just [TS]

  the pinnacle of it's like well might as [TS]

  well just start laying claims on all [TS]

  kinds of videos and just collecting the [TS]

  ad revenue it's crazy it's really crazy [TS]

  can I ask a naive question if I make a [TS]

  claim against you like I think you've [TS]

  used a bit of numberphile than your [TS]

  grave video that you shouldn't have you [TS]

  soon and you and you say it's Vegas and [TS]

  we go through this month few months [TS]

  processes of me saying you stole it you [TS]

  saying now I didn't me saying yes you [TS]

  did and neither of us give any ground [TS]

  how does it end who's the final Empire [TS]

  on whether or not something was used [TS]

  fairly light by default so my [TS]

  understanding is that it [TS]

  it's the person who is claiming it as [TS]

  fair use is the default winner so that [TS]

  so i would have to take you to court in [TS]

  the end that's right then after after [TS]

  three months it will if knowing if no [TS]

  one gives after three months the fair [TS]

  use claimer wins and or ghost court part [TS]

  of what is being decided in these [TS]

  documents that are going back and forth [TS]

  is that the person who is made the video [TS]

  is basically setting themselves up to be [TS]

  sued [TS]

  difficult like and toulouse really big [TS]

  if the Court finds that it's not fair [TS]

  use rights like that like that's what [TS]

  happens is like you are taking a bunch [TS]

  of boxes as the video creator that will [TS]

  totally screw you over if you're lying [TS]

  so that's why I think it defaults [TS]

  towards the the Creator being the [TS]

  default Victor because it's like okay [TS]

  well they've just they've put themselves [TS]

  in a situation where they're screwed [TS]

  you can take them to court if this [TS]

  really is a big problem and they're just [TS]

  it's over for them right they're not [TS]

  going to win for the first time that [TS]

  gives me some small insight into why [TS]

  this crappy system maybe was set up that [TS]

  way though because that means if if the [TS]

  if the if the big bad wolf keeps the [TS]

  money until until the noble fair use [TS]

  person wins the day you can almost see [TS]

  why you would skew it you would skew it [TS]

  that way because if the big bad wolf it [TS]

  turns out isn't the big bad wolf [TS]

  you're pretty unlikely to take someone [TS]

  to court it's like it's like you've sort [TS]

  of tip the scale it so well you're and [TS]

  if someone is if someone is taking [TS]

  advantage of you in the end that person [TS]

  is going to win because you're not gonna [TS]

  take them to court because that's just [TS]

  going to be a bowl-like for everyone [TS]

  you're not going to take them to court [TS]

  so the little bit of compensation you do [TS]

  get for being exploited as you keep the [TS]

  money for that first month photo and [TS]

  then they'll have and then that will [TS]

  then I get to explore you for the next [TS]

  hundred years because they won the day [TS]

  yeah it's black and and most of the time [TS]

  that's not the case but it's all you can [TS]

  almost see why you would set it up that [TS]

  way now I don't think they should i can [TS]

  almost see why they would [TS]

  yeah and this is one of these cases [TS]

  where I have never had to follow this [TS]

  through all the way to the end I've had [TS]

  to do a little bit of this but not very [TS]

  much because I've always had claims [TS]

  released after just the first challenge [TS]

  like it has really gone super far so I [TS]

  this is a case where I may be wrong [TS]

  about these details but let's but let's [TS]

  just let's just assume for the moment [TS]

  that this that this is the case i can [TS]

  see the argument yes like okay we will [TS]

  give you some compensation in the [TS]

  meantime to make up for the fact that [TS]

  you won't go to court but that the [TS]

  problem is any time you drop the price [TS]

  20 feet [TS]

  we're going to use an infinite amount of [TS]

  it but if it has any utility at all and [TS]

  so what YouTube has done with his system [TS]

  is it has dropped the cost of making [TS]

  claims 20 which then incentivizes [TS]

  companies to just lay out an infinite [TS]

  number of claims that's where the core [TS]

  of the problem exists and if there was [TS]

  some kind of penalty to just constantly [TS]

  making false claims then this wouldn't [TS]

  be the case but since there's no penalty [TS]

  you just might as well make all the [TS]

  claims in the world it's almost amazing [TS]

  that content ID has existed this long [TS]

  before some genius at merlin III ccc co [TS]

  or whatever felt like I know how to make [TS]

  a whole bunch of money while doing [TS]

  nothing right [TS]

  it's it's it's astounding it's [TS]

  absolutely astounding so this is one of [TS]

  the rare cases where I feel like there's [TS]

  a there's a relatively straightforward [TS]

  answer to this which is YouTube imposing [TS]

  a cost on making claims so that you just [TS]

  don't make an infinite number of claims [TS]

  do you mean like like ten cents or [TS]

  something like you're you know you gotta [TS]

  pay a dollar or you gotta pay ten [TS]

  dollars and I don't even I don't even [TS]

  mean this is where I mean a cost just in [TS]

  in the sense of any kind of cost some [TS]

  small amount of money or some like [TS]

  strikes or getting your multi channel [TS]

  network removed if you have too many [TS]

  false claims i don't think that will [TS]

  work [TS]

  I don't think that's good enough father [TS]

  though because people just create these [TS]

  sort of shell these shells when I and [TS]

  then get and then and then have like a [TS]

  week or two of fleecing everyone and [TS]

  then they get thrown off the network but [TS]

  oh yeah so I it to be to be clear i also [TS]

  agree with you with this idea of the [TS]

  escrow that the the other very simple [TS]

  change is if if a video has a claim on [TS]

  it all of the money is held in a [TS]

  separate account that goes to the winner [TS]

  in the end right that's yeah like that [TS]

  plus a small amount of cost for making [TS]

  claims is the way to fix this and it's [TS]

  it is it's unlike our conversation last [TS]

  time we were talking about how to fix [TS]

  angry internet mobs right where I think [TS]

  they're there isn't anything that you [TS]

  can do that isn't worse than the problem [TS]

  that you're trying to [TS]

  fix this to me seems like there's a [TS]

  relatively straightforward solution to [TS]

  this that I hope youtube implements [TS]

  because it's just like man makes [TS]

  everybody angry this content ID system [TS]

  I tell you what that if you have a viral [TS]

  video and like you know so this like [TS]

  potentially thousands and thousands of [TS]

  dollars sitting in this escrow pot and [TS]

  suddenly that fight over fair use is [TS]

  going to start getting nasty like it's [TS]

  like suddenly the trophy is more like it [TS]

  could become a real mess [TS]

  the amount of money isn't any different [TS]

  than the amount of mine that we're [TS]

  talking about now it feels differently [TS]

  it feels different if you want to get [TS]

  really cynical about it then you can [TS]

  just say our YouTube has an incentive to [TS]

  prolong the process to make it a [TS]

  year-long to they can earn interest of [TS]

  all of the money that sent an escrow [TS]

  there's that too right that didn't go to [TS]

  going to double the number of forms that [TS]

  you sent back and forth [TS]

  yeah it's just turns into a body pain in [TS]

  the ass [TS]

  yeah that's a as with as with many of [TS]

  the things we have discussed about on [TS]

  the podcast before I can i just i find [TS]

  so much of this YouTube's business stuff [TS]

  just exhausting like exhausting and this [TS]

  really boring way that it just fine like [TS]

  man it is i'm not trying to be like oh [TS]

  we know back when it was small it was [TS]

  amazing it was a little community people [TS]

  making videos together like that that's [TS]

  not my feeling of it but I don't know [TS]

  there's just there's just something [TS]

  about like all of the layers now that [TS]

  are involved in like I just want to [TS]

  upload a video on youtube but it's like [TS]

  oh but there's multi-channel networks i [TS]

  can and if you want to be a creator you [TS]

  need to sign up for one of these [TS]

  mafiosos style multi-channel networks [TS]

  and if you don't sign up for one of [TS]

  these multi-channel networks and you [TS]

  have like this whole other big set of [TS]

  problems to work with and then there's [TS]

  the YouTube on top of it and this [TS]

  content ID system and gigantic media [TS]

  companies moving in just know it's all [TS]

  very busy like there's so much stuff to [TS]

  keep track of and there's so much stuff [TS]

  to worry about it just it and you're [TS]

  better at the may at least you can kind [TS]

  of do that i can't i'm just rubbish [TS]

  yeah yeah it's it's it's absolutely it's [TS]

  just absolutely exhausted like it's just [TS]

  so much to think about and coming back [TS]

  to fair use just to be [TS]

  no introduction to get people upset for [TS]

  a second oh yeah i think i think most [TS]

  people misunderstand phase [TS]

  oh and yeah i mean obviously had the end [TS]

  and we've talked before about how the [TS]

  saying fair use doesn't automatically [TS]

  mean his face but but this would be much [TS]

  less of an issue if there wasn't [TS]

  maybe I'll just become more aware of it [TS]

  but it feels like it's becoming a bigger [TS]

  and bigger thing of people just being [TS]

  like derivative and unoriginal and i [TS]

  know and i know people going to say hey [TS]

  man everything is a remix and that's [TS]

  like trendy thing to say but like if [TS]

  everyone just makes their own stuff if [TS]

  people just create instead of doing what [TS]

  they call create which is reacting or [TS]

  reviewing or twisting or changing what [TS]

  other people have made this would not be [TS]

  such a big issue but I think I think I [TS]

  think it's lazy and I know that's the [TS]

  controversial thing to say because it's [TS]

  it's an act of creation to transform [TS]

  someone else's creation but i think it's [TS]

  lazy and I think because it's easy more [TS]

  and more and more and more people are [TS]

  doing it and that's what's creating this [TS]

  storm around what's fair use and what's [TS]

  not fair use and what's copyright and [TS]

  that it's because everyone's just being [TS]

  a lazy bones taking taking the work of [TS]

  what I was probably becoming it if [TS]

  proportionally a smaller number of [TS]

  people who actually make new stuff who [TS]

  actually go out with a camera and film [TS]

  things or who sit down and write like a [TS]

  script or sit down and animate something [TS]

  those people seem to be coming us know [TS]

  that they probably growing but they're [TS]

  becoming a smaller proportion and [TS]

  there's this growing growing growing [TS]

  group of people who then just wait too [TS]

  greedily devoured all these creations [TS]

  and just watch them or comment on them [TS]

  and and that and that's what they do to [TS]

  make their money as someone who's in [TS]

  that smaller group it feels a bit [TS]

  frustrating [TS]

  yeah it always is frustrating and the [TS]

  facebook thing is now a total and utter [TS]

  industry and there are people who are [TS]

  doing it legitimately who I have a bit [TS]

  more respectful and people who have [TS]

  every time you make a video that's any [TS]

  good [TS]

  there was a whole bunch of people who [TS]

  just immediately gobbled it up and put [TS]

  it onto facebook [TS]

  yeah and there was another group of [TS]

  people who emailed me I've got a whole [TS]

  bunch of emails in my inbox from [TS]

  facebook people and companies saying we [TS]

  saw this video can we [TS]

  can we please put onto our player so [TS]

  there are people who are doing the same [TS]

  lazy thing but at least they're asking [TS]

  permission which I give them credit for [TS]

  but it's just it's just this growing [TS]

  industry now just sitting there waiting [TS]

  with a with their mouths open to be [TS]

  spoon-fed other people's creations [TS]

  yeah it can be it can definitely be a [TS]

  bit dispiriting when you are one of the [TS]

  people who puts a lot of work into [TS]

  making a new thing and then just seeing [TS]

  a bunch of people make money off of your [TS]

  work and there's a piston amazing clip [TS]

  it's in I think it's in the first grade [TS]

  A under a video where he talks about the [TS]

  problems with YouTube but this is an [TS]

  amazing clip where that he gets up of [TS]

  one of these guys who does these react [TS]

  channels we had a guy literally says the [TS]

  start of the video is like it's time to [TS]

  make money off of your hard work paid [TS]

  for before he goes to just film his dumb [TS]

  face watching other people's videos and [TS]

  I that's so fragrant segment I tell you [TS]

  what just to reactivate my ranch for a [TS]

  second [TS]

  this is what it reminds me of because i [TS]

  was filming yesterday with a guy who [TS]

  designs clever things like mathematical [TS]

  models and dice and things like that and [TS]

  then he mass-produces them and he can [TS]

  sell them is a really clever guy coming [TS]

  up with these ideas and I said to him [TS]

  you know how are you getting these may [TS]

  presumably you know you send the desire [TS]

  to China and they make it he says that's [TS]

  normally what I do but that's always a [TS]

  big step when i do that because the [TS]

  minute i send it to China to be [TS]

  mass-produced they will still the design [TS]

  and a thousand other people will make [TS]

  knockoffs of em and it will be produced [TS]

  by other companies and the person who's [TS]

  doing of me will you sell it to other [TS]

  companies and the minute i do that it's [TS]

  going to appear everywhere so people who [TS]

  mass-produce things feel that now they [TS]

  feel this dread that the minute goes [TS]

  into the wild west of China the wild [TS]

  beast i guess i should say of China it's [TS]

  going to get stolen because there's less [TS]

  protection for them and they no longer [TS]

  control their intellectual property [TS]

  that's what it feels like for me now [TS]

  whenever I make something that I think [TS]

  is a little bit special and will [TS]

  interest people I feel like what the [TS]

  minute I the minute i press upload on [TS]

  youtube [TS]

  part of me feels excited that I'm [TS]

  finally going to be sharing this with [TS]

  the world and another part of me thinks [TS]

  this is the moment i'm also giving it to [TS]

  all those people all those free pages [TS]

  were just waiting with their mouths open [TS]

  to gobble up what I've created it puts a [TS]

  different feeling on it when you know [TS]

  with almost one hundred percent [TS]

  certainty that like more people will see [TS]

  the thing where someone else has just [TS]

  taken your thing that on your own [TS]

  channel like if you distribute all of [TS]

  the free butte booted views that happen [TS]

  elsewhere like it it's very often like a [TS]

  larger number than the people who see it [TS]

  on your original thing and it's like my [TS]

  hawaii even the sucker who's doing this [TS]

  anymore crying like why am i yeah why am [TS]

  I just feeding this whole economy of [TS]

  parasites on my back and yeah it's just [TS]

  is dispiriting and like you say it's me [TS]

  really I even feel like in the past few [TS]

  months has turned into just this [TS]

  remarkable industry of looking for [TS]

  things that are popular and then just [TS]

  leeching off of them and make right now [TS]

  the curators and if someone says all you [TS]

  should just be happy that it's being [TS]

  seen by so many people tell me that what [TS]

  happens ta yeah that's exactly right [TS]

  that no one ever feels that way when [TS]

  it's it's their own it's their own thing [TS]

  but so yeah I know it's it's like like I [TS]

  was saying before I I feel a bit weirdly [TS]

  defeated in this whole process of having [TS]

  deleted all of the alerts that I used to [TS]

  keep on top of other people uploading my [TS]

  stuff was just like managed just too [TS]

  much [TS]

  I just can't deal with this and then [TS]

  also just finding myself in the [TS]

  situation like man I don't want it set [TS]

  up the YouTube content ID system like [TS]

  this is not another thing that I want to [TS]

  deal with but it's like okay i guess i'm [TS]

  going to go into a meeting with YouTube [TS]

  and and have this done and figure out [TS]

  how to make this work and like plead my [TS]

  case for please allow me to try to make [TS]

  claims of my own videos that are [TS]

  uploaded elsewhere [TS]

  it's like I just like i don't i don't [TS]

  want to do this but I've been forced [TS]

  into a situation where i just have to [TS]

  because it happened just way too much [TS]

  you know [TS]

  nice IM in [TS]

  you have to get your channels easily [TS]

  massive enough for that but I tell you [TS]

  how I tell you how ingrained has become [TS]

  when I'm filming I'm already thinking [TS]

  ahead to how i'm going to edit the video [TS]

  sometimes I'm already thinking with the [TS]

  title of the video will be sometimes [TS]

  they've been thinking what the thumbnail [TS]

  could look like it's just like the way [TS]

  my brain works like and now if I'm [TS]

  filming something about you know in a [TS]

  lab or in an office with someone and I [TS]

  can tell this video is going to be [TS]

  really good and I'm already thinking I [TS]

  could call that this and this is how i'm [TS]

  going to edit and it's going to be [TS]

  really popular it is real reached the [TS]

  point where while I'm still recording [TS]

  while the red dot is still on the screen [TS]

  i am already thinking about the fact [TS]

  that this video is going to be free [TS]

  booted like the days are over i'm [TS]

  thinking this is going to be a great [TS]

  video loads of people going to watch [TS]

  this is going to be one of my really big [TS]

  ones for the year [TS]

  i'm also at the time thinking our man [TS]

  this is just gonna get stolen so bad [TS]

  like it's permeated that far into my [TS]

  process that's how much a part of my [TS]

  consciousness it is now thanks three [TS]

  brothers that yeah there really is so [TS]

  yeah that's been your your semi weekly [TS]

  dose of happiness from the elemental [TS]

  podcast we're still really lucky to have [TS]

  such a good job [TS]

  yeah of course of course like that [TS]

  always that's always the thing but it is [TS]

  it is the defeat in our voices is the [TS]

  like the acknowledgement and the [TS]

  recognition of of this like economy that [TS]

  we are feeding into with our own [TS]

  creation yeah like that like that is the [TS]

  thing that just suddenly feels different [TS]

  about it as opposed to a lot of the [TS]

  earlier conversations that we have was [TS]

  like oh individuals are uploading our [TS]

  own stuff and it's like oh no now [TS]

  there's just a whole economy about this [TS]

  and tying into the YouTube content ID [TS]

  system is like now it's now there's even [TS]

  this absurd lengths of people making [TS]

  money just straight off the work of [TS]

  channels like I hate everything with [TS]

  false claims it looks like this not even [TS]

  not even uploading anything right there [TS]

  just able to literally steal the money [TS]

  from a channel by putting it in [TS]

  a Content claim and you know me Brady I [TS]

  don't like to use the word stealing [TS]

  frivolously but I I make a lot of the [TS]

  stuff with this content ID system is [TS]

  like know that is stealing like that is [TS]

  money that was as close to that person's [TS]

  pocket as it could possibly be before [TS]

  you die verted it into your own pocket [TS]

  with this false claim for which youtube [TS]

  will will never punish you [TS]

  your stealer do you know who we [TS]

  sometimes sound like and I am aware of [TS]

  this [TS]

  no we sound like the music record [TS]

  companies did 5-10 years ago when things [TS]

  like Napster and all this stuff started [TS]

  and I didn't feel piles and piles of [TS]

  sympathy for them like I saw what was [TS]

  happening was wrong but I didn't think [TS]

  you poor record companies i thought well [TS]

  you know you make money anyway and okay [TS]

  this is unfortunate but it sort of just [TS]

  to think and that's exactly what we [TS]

  sound like now don't you think so yeah I [TS]

  i agree with you right there is a [TS]

  certain sense of which we sound like the [TS]

  record companies right part of what i [TS]

  think was the record company's problems [TS]

  was their refusal to acknowledge how [TS]

  things were in the world and that was [TS]

  why I had like no sympathy for them and [TS]

  this is the thing that I try to be aware [TS]

  of [TS]

  that's why I like for example I'm like I [TS]

  want to set up content ID because it [TS]

  felt like okay the way I was doing [TS]

  things is just totally unsustainable and [TS]

  the other thing is is as we discussed [TS]

  before like this is partly why I feel [TS]

  like I'm just kind of giving in to [TS]

  facebook at this point a little bit [TS]

  rapidly because like okay well if my [TS]

  videos are going to be all over facebook [TS]

  anyway they might as well be my videos [TS]

  right i might as well post them on [TS]

  Facebook isn't that said that you did [TS]

  that before they found a way to reward [TS]

  you for enriching their side isn't that [TS]

  sad that they won the battle that way [TS]

  yeah it I mean it really is but it's [TS]

  also partly why like I have tried to [TS]

  change my business over time to adapt to [TS]

  that pulling aside the curtain for a [TS]

  little while part of this whole like [TS]

  recognizing things are getting free [TS]

  booted everywhere thing is one of the [TS]

  big decisions about why I finally I'm so [TS]

  late to this party but i finally said [TS]

  like okay I am going to put [TS]

  it embedded ads at the end of my videos [TS]

  like I must have been one of the last [TS]

  big channels on this train but i decided [TS]

  to do it in no small part because I was [TS]

  already thinking like okay well facebook [TS]

  i won't be able to earn any money from [TS]

  advertising on Facebook because they [TS]

  don't have any kind of revenue sharing [TS]

  plan so the only way that I can make [TS]

  money if i'm still posting my videos on [TS]

  facebook as if there is an embedded add [TS]

  in there and then i can count those [TS]

  views as part of how i sell the [TS]

  advertising to who has ever sponsoring [TS]

  those videos like this is this is what [TS]

  I've been trying to change my business [TS]

  very slowly to adapt to this new [TS]

  situation it's like I don't want to put [TS]

  my videos on facebook but i also just [TS]

  can't can't stand like it like a a rigid [TS]

  statue and refuse to bend or recognize [TS]

  the changing environment around me [TS]

  because that way lies doom and so if in [TS]

  the future that means like oh ok well i [TS]

  upload videos on facebook and i have [TS]

  embedded ads in them [TS]

  this is just the next step of how of how [TS]

  this business is going to work [TS]

  are you going to post your videos on [TS]

  facebook tonight I guess you need to set [TS]

  up a whole bunch of facebook pages i [TS]

  already have Facebook pages for all [TS]

  those projects i guess this is a good [TS]

  time to tell the people follow us on [TS]

  facebook and i feel so gross saying that [TS]

  but seriously do follow us on Facebook [TS]

  does that now this is that the like the [TS]

  arm rest of my chair but actually [TS]

  somehow there's something always [TS]

  something there is a sense it happens [TS]

  that no matter where you are [TS]

  he was something in your environment [TS]

  that you can fiddle with that I'm going [TS]

  to have to cut out later [TS]

  everywhere we go I was born to fidget [TS]