H.I. #62: Cheer Pressure
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I did go out onto the scaffolding
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outside the house I fucked up the
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courage i made it i went out i looked at
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me I looked at my roof I took the nail
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and gear flag and i flattered in the
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wind of the house so inspired by grays
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Batman efforts are basically i just
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didn't want him to be the only Batman
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right so I did it I did it
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it's another very cool picture of you
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Brady I feel like that one too is
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calling out for some photoshopping just
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like you are looking cool explosion
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photograph you know you've got the the
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wind blowing the mighty nail and gear
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flagler kids they know that that's
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calling out for a little modification I
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think gray I'm I'm open to that are I'm
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even willing to make some suggestions
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there's a this event is about you don't
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you don't tell the internet what to do
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crap can I suggest perhaps Tenzing a
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Topman Everest could be used as a is
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inspiration hillary and tenzing together
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on this on the summit's guy in the
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southeast face there but you're right it
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i mean i think the pictures magnificent
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enough on a sign that it doesn't need
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photoshopping but if yes it looks
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absolutely magnificent you on the
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scaffolding leading up to your house for
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that for that for those who have asked i
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went for the she me at the window option
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rather than they going up the ladders
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I just didn't trust those letters yeah
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this is a popular request lot of people
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dying to know which way through which
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people about you know what
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yes a lot of people of us did you do did
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you do the ladder or did you go out the
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window and so for those who ever that
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you're asking i went for the wind eh i'm
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very proud of you
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we've got and we've got to tie up the
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loose ends oh yeah is that it happens
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that we do on the show we tie up the
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loose ends yeah i like to think it's
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like a whole complete thing i would like
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to think when the last ever episode of
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Hello internet is recorded
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uh-huh it was somehow close some loop
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that started like with the first episode
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of people will go to you what I think
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they planned the whole thing
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yeah i think the whole thing was
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scripted it was like it was like a
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Agatha Christie sort of thing where
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every single sentence in every single
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now working towards some moment at the
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end i went to my regular gym this
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morning and walking up to the front desk
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i'm getting ready to go in and there's a
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big pile of towels that you're supposed
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to take from as you go into the gym but
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the new thing this morning was a
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gigantic sign and by gigantic I mean as
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they erected a huge sign which said
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please think about the environment and
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only take one towel into the gym and
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this kind of thing infuriates me
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it absolutely infuriates me and at my
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gym it infuriates me many multiple times
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over so i took for towels into the gym
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today I did not take one towel into the
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gym and 2 y.o skins and I club his seal
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on the way I feel like I don't even need
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to explain why this is infuriating let
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me just run through why in the gym I
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find this particularly frustrating
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there's another sign later in the gym
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which is in the actual equipment like
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when you're when you're doing your
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workout they have these little signs up
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all over the place which say please be
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considerate to the other patrons and
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make sure to wipe down the equipment
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after you've used it totally reasonable
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right this is a totally reasonable
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civilization like request
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you've been a sweaty gross person on a
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piece of equipment you're going to wipe
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down your gross sweat off of it right
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reasonable yes of course yeah okay
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except that the question is wipe it down
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because in the gym there are no little
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hand wipes for you to use
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there's no equipment there at all so
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unless you're going to wipe it down with
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the only thing the only conceivable
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thing that you could use to wipe down
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the equipment is the one towel that they
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want you to bring into the gym but
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nobody's going to use the same towel to
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clean the gym equipment as to clean
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themselves later in the shower i think
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vastly vastly on her fair enough yeah I
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mean yeah yeah okay yeah right yeah it's
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completely unreasonable because I'm glad
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you're on board with me breathing i
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really appreciate it I'm not sure that's
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what they made by the one tower thing
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that surely surely you can get a
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different time when you go through a
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shower afterwards
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here's the thing here's the thing with
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the setup of this with with the the
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fascist like setup that this gym has has
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has arranged right
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the setup is such that you can only pick
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up the towels before you go in with this
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little membership card that they give
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so the towels are not accessible when
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you are inside the gym so they have this
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big sign saying please take only one
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towel and then you have to pass through
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a barrier through which you cannot
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return to get another towel later like
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they clearly just want you to take one
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so this is why i don't i don't just take
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1 i'm going to take well we'll just
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start out with I'm gonna take to write
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because i'm going to need one to clean
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down the equipment and a separate one to
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clean down myself in the shower now i
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also have it to take a third towel
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because i think it's quite reasonable to
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do the same thing in a sauna right like
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you're you're laying down in a sauna as
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a gigantic sweaty piece of meat you are
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sweating everywhere it's nicer for
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everybody again this is how civilization
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holds together if you put down a towel
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in the sauna and you sweat out your
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gross bodily fluids onto the towel
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instead of onto the wood so this is why
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I would normally take three towels into
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the gym one for the sign up one for
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cleaning the equipment and one for
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cleaning me I think this is totally
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reasonable I think three is too many
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great i think you could get away with to
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i could get away with 2 i'm not arguing
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that I could get away with too if I was
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willing to introduce and unacceptable
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level of gross into my life like oh I've
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used this towel to clean down all of the
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equipment and i'm also going to use it
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to clean down the sauna like now that's
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not it's not going to happen because the
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the cleaning down in the gym towel that
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one never really touches my skin right
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because I'm wearing gym clothes when I'm
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in the gym was in the sauna that towel
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is also touching my skin so I don't want
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to use the same towel i think that's
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quite reasonable
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I've never been to a gym where they
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haven't got that rolls of blue roll
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everywhere that blue paper that you
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could just use to wipe down the
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equipment or your forward and things
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like that they not have paper towel
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I know I know this one does not mean
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that in the main area they have drinking
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fountains and that's it and I see people
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using their one sad towel to clean the
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equipment or to do that thing like you
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reserve a piece of equipment by draping
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the towel across that they're using that
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same towel that they then take back into
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the showers and like they're all being
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all follow the sign right but i'm not
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going to follow the sign so normally i
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would take three towels but today
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because this new sign was there about
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like think of the environment as well I
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took for towels because one of them was
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just out of pure inventions and passive
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aggressiveness I thought if you're going
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to tell me you're going to tell me how
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many towels I'm supposed to take because
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of mother earth like no no I'm gonna
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take more towels because i don't think
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that sign is there because this gym
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company suddenly really cares about
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mother earth now I think they're just
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trying to come up with a better way to
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make people use fewer towels and their
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normal sign that you just said oh please
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take one towel they didn't think was
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effective enough so they've decided to
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introduce this kind of environmental
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nagging asst into the system to try to
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be more effective about reducing towel
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usage and I feel like screw you
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if you're going to do that if you're
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going to be passive-aggressive towards
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me in that way i'm going to be
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passive-aggressive towards you i'm
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taking an extra towel today it's so
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clear to me that the company's primary
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concern is the amount of money that they
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are spending on towel laundry right it
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is it has nothing to do with the actual
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environment itself like that's clearly
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what's going on and that's the thing
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that really bothers me about these kind
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of situations that you see like you know
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like you got to California and you're in
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a hotel somewhere and they have little
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sign they're like oh there's a drought
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in California please don't take a very
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long shower please don't wash your hands
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super thoroughly and like now I'm not
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gonna listen to you little sign like I
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don't think the environment is really
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your primary concern here like I think
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your primary concern is the water bill
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I only ever see these kind of
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environmental signs in places where
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people are using a company's resource
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that is extraordinarily difficult for
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the company to police its usage like and
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then suddenly they're very concerned
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about the environment and wanted you to
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use as little of the resources possible
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right now please only take one napkin
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think about dear precious mother like
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now I don't think that's the reason here
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and i'm going to take extra napkins just
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because you told me not to but it is
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like a sort of a 10 gentle benefit that
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come out on top if we do use less water
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and waterless tails so it's almost like
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you're cutting off the earth nose to
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spite the companies face
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I mean I mean you say that you say that
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right but how how much water can
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possibly you abused by the global
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consumption of cleaning towels i think i
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don't i don't think very much
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it's it but I've put a lot i bet you
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it's a lot sometimes sometimes you see
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statistics on those little nagging
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science where they say they took give
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you all these layers of water and things
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like that and see right there right
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there with you doing you're falling for
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their trap right because look at the way
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they always express those things they
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will always give you statistics in just
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huge numbers right they play the huge
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number game that did you know that
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people washing their hands in California
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they use a bajillion leaders of water
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every minute like oh my god a bajillion
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leaders of water that sounds like so
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much the only relevant question in any
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of these scenarios i get if you're
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thinking about I really care about
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mother earth and I really care about not
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using her resources
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the thing is not the absolute amount of
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resources in any particular situation
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the question is what percent of the pie
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chart of total resource use is this
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water use for example personal water use
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like people using water for drinking and
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for showering and for laundering howls
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presumably this is like zero percent of
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the water use and and the huge huge
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amount of water use is usually ghost
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things like agriculture or some
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industrial processes right like if you
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care about the environment that is the
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thing to focus on is like changing how
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the vast majority of water is being used
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it's crazy making to focus on like the
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little thing that you can see like i
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think that's that's naturally where
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people's brains go with this kind of
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stuff they focus on like oh there's this
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little thing that I can see in front of
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me and I'm going to spend some time on
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changing its like it has no impact
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whatsoever on the global scheme charity
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of a thousand miles starts with one step
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gray but if you're just walking a
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thousand random steps in random
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directions you're making no progress on
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no progress whatsoever that's that's all
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all right look this seems like a good
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time to promote one of my topics up the
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running order then because it sort of
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go ahead it's a bit of follow-up it
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involves the invention of a new term
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which is a favorite pastime of mine we
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have another predetermined ue we do I
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want to talk about something that i'm
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going to call cheer pressure sheer
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yeah so if i take you back to last
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episode I was talking about this this
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cricket match and how this guy had
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marked up at the end of a cricket match
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and it and then lot of people have
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criticized him online
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mm and then all these other people kind
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of rushed to his defense and said you
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shouldn't pick on Amy tried hard he put
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his hand up at the end of the game and
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you know had the courage to try and if
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he files you shouldn't you shouldn't
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pick on him and I didn't completely
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agree with that but then it had echoes
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later in the same show when I made a few
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glib comments about the space X program
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Elon Musk's private rocket company who
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that has been attempting to land Rockets
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on platforms in the sea to sort of make
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them reusable so they sort of self land
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which is quite a quite an impressive
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thing to do we make a rocket real and
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after use standing upright and had been
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a few spectacular crashes and they blew
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up and just my luck straight after we
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recorded there was a very successful
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landing at me and you have anyway that's
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that's because that's what it was it was
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like the day after we recorded he had a
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yeah and I waited eight weeks to
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actually release the exit making you
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look like a total idiot
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yeah anyway that's beside the point that
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there were a series of quite spectacular
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crashes and I made some some jokes about
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it and I don't want to say that lots of
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people got in touch and lots of people
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complained because it's very easy to
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think when you see the 5 or 6 comments
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on reddit that that's lots of people
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when of course it's not
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whenever how many hundreds of thousands
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of people listen whatever but it does it
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does seem like loud in your head when
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you read the comments and it's easy to
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phone now it's just so much nicer and so
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exercises better across every single
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i'm going to have a mechanical watch on
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your wrist by Christmas little not
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you will not my friend you will not to
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the golfer in the caddy
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professional golfer this day these days
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caddy standing next to him who is doing
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modern golf but still it reached as enna
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artwork but it wouldn't occur to me on
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breakfast like the word breakfast has
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being sassy when you say I couldn't care
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thank you to squarespace for their
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everything everything could go wrong
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their ability to vote which we did by
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boaty mcboatface so obviously that I
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minister has had to intervene and say
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boaty mcboatface was selected but then
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mcboatface and and obviously I haven't
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research mascot like Brody mcboatface
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artist to paint gigantic cartoon letters
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of Bodie mcboatface across the side of
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this thing i like is i went to the fuck
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make the stovepipe like a little hat you
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it would like this goal
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something that was no one would have
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it whenever it comes into port
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mission people will come to see it
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ran a poll on the internets to change
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his name like he didn't like his name
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anything at all that the internet select
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my name and now he's named sunshine
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what happens it huh yeah like whether
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there's like a a now decade-plus history
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yeah i don't i also wonder how many
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times they're gonna have to paint over
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middle of the night putting proteomic
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yeah that's exactly what's gonna happen
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mr. splashy pants was another one of
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these things where Greenpeace had some
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just to make everybody angry and I agree
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surprised if they end up having to deal
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with vandalism like people spray-painted
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nobody mcboatface lives across the side
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guys know what you're doing like is
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there anyone on your staff who's ever
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see the other side
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hmm this is like a funny joke for a week
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or two but like you hadn't heard of it
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and the joke will go away and we'll
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forget about it in a few weeks this boat
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of the ship for all that time when you
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could do something a bit more dignified
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cold call at the david attenborough
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somethin okay let me ask you something
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how many boats in the world can you name
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well yeah yeah I I only a handful right
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like the Queen Mary and and the Queen
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Elizabeth and things like that they
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don't have names like silly Mick
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silliness right but the thing is the
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majestic names don't guarantee
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notability because every boat has some
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majestic name right
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this is this is one way that this boat
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about for a long period of time
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this makes it stand out like it's a
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funny thing it's a it's a bit of fun
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history that goes along with it makes it
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unique among the boats i don't agree
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with the like over 30 years from now
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we're going to have to be telling a
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story about how we're an internet poll
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in the name of protein mcboatface like
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that's that's part of the fun of it i
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think that's what makes it unique
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I didn't I cry out about it let me argue
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the point then I think it's incumbent on
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leaders and people in position
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of authority to think beyond and Mimi
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joke for a couple of weeks
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it's easy for you and I to see here
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don't get me wrong i know i've been
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saying they should call the boat in my
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face but it's easy for you and I to sit
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here and think it amuses us and it has
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amused the internet let's do it
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whereas there are other people who have
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to think about other considerations I
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ship are going to be applying to a
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different government in a different time
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in a different area to a different
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funding body saying can we have 20
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million dollars for our penguin research
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aboard the botty mcboatface and I think
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and I think and that's going to hurt
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that's gonna hurt him because of a jokey
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decision that's made now whereas if they
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said can we will it hurt them though I
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don't know i think could I think I think
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people who bequeathed large sums of
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money and her allocate funds are drawn
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to integrity and seriousness more than
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they are to joke eNOS and and flippant
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things and I think labeling at boaty
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mcboatface for all time will always be a
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bit of a wink-wink
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are they serious but don't you want to
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stand out in the application pile i
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think that the legitimate argument well
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yeah you could stand out in the
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application power by dressing up as a
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clown as well standing out doesn't
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always mean success
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nope sure doesn't I do see the other
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argument I do i do think go with it
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might mind over all things considered I
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don't say roll with it
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not such a bad name that it's gonna hurt
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you forever it's not like you know they
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said that's called the Adolf Hitler yeah
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but but i do even even the adults Hitler
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I would feel like you got off lucky
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right yeah well I could have said
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something else but i probably contravene
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some of my yeah i mean that we're
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policies like yeah he could be called
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like the cup make peace with yourself
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but right like that's what I could
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recall i think it is you feel quite sure
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of baits for the episode there
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yeah like that could easily happen right
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it easily I do have some sympathy for
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putting your foot down and saying no
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we're going to have a we're going to
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have a more dignified night one of the
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best suggestions i read was someone
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because it's not actually about anyway
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boat on it presumably to go into a
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little coastal runs to go and see the
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Penguins like the captain's yacht and
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star trek basically yeah call the little
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mini-boat boaty mcboatface and give the
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big ship not shipping mixture place but
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it happened like like it give the big
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ship it's dignified name but at least to
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do a nod to boaty mcboatface by calling
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the small one that which I thought was
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not a bad compromise
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now now now now but now it doesn't don't
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compromise no compromise don't accept
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that internet I'm actually talking
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myself out of calling a boaty mcboatface
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now i can i can hear it in your voice as
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you go on this is what happens like you
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you initially take the other side is the
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devil's advocate and then you suddenly
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find yourself on the other side but this
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is what makes you good at your job
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I'm very persuasive great i can even
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save myself after much to it and
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throwing and spiking a nun spiking you
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did do you your encryption Apple hacking
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I phony videos i did United that there
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were there was a bit of anguish about
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there was no vanquished about this even
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as you fight if you thought i should go
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ahead with making the video we're not
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know no you haven't you even gave me a
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sneaky look at a script yeah I wanted
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your input on it you talked you told me
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to go ahead a bunch of people told me to
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so yes I i did make it despite several
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weeks ago the case that brought this up
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originally was this whole like Apple
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versus the FBI thing with the FBI wanted
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Apple to open up their phone and make a
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bunch of data available and it's like
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it's a whole big complicated thing with
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tons of details that don't really matter
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but i was working on a script about that
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and then that whole thing just ended and
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i thought like oh well this is over and
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then I thought the script was kind of
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useless after that point but the story
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is not over and I i did end up
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continuing to work on it thanks partly
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to the encouragement of you and some
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other people and so yeah I put two
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videos of which are sort of about the
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Apple FBI thing without ever mentioning
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the Apple or the FBI thing because I
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think there's a there's a much bigger
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question here which is about encryption
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just in general I have two questions
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great em both of them will portray
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perhaps ignorance in the subject that's
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okay i buy revel in my ignorance
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the first one is about this warrants and
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searching because obviously there is
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this different situation that like you
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know judge can issue a warrant and the
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police can break your door down and
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search your house if you if you if you
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don't let them in
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what's the situation with phones in
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terms of if you were still alive who and
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the judge said the police have the right
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to look into cgp grace phone
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great please enter the code so the
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police can look em presumably you can be
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compelled to do that under and if you
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don't know put you in prison for
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contempt of court like I'm assuming they
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can still do that because also they do
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that with you know when people were
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texting while they were driving and
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things like that are what's the what's
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the law there i'm not talking about
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Apple breaking into the fine which i
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think is very different
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yeah the different that's a different
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question what's the situation with
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compelling use the phone owner to
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presumably that's like any other warrant
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and a judge can do that
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the answer is it depends on where you
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live yeah and so if we take where we are
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right now in the United Kingdom the
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United Kingdom has written into the lot
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that they can compel you to reveal the
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passwords to your devices right so if
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you're involved in a trial in the UK
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they can say open up your phone and if
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you say no there are criminal penalties
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a no-no that's its time in prison you're
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in contempt of the coal crackling enjoy
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your time in solitary until you open
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this phone like that that's what's going
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to happen you have to choose not to but
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they're going to compel you
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yeah now what I think is of a very
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interesting unique and I think important
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part of the US legal system is this
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protection against self-incrimination
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now yeah some other places have this but
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the United States has a particularly
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strong version of this we're essentially
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like the court cannot compel you to
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speak or to act and so in the United
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States if you have a phone and they say
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open up this phone you are legally
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allowed to just sit there and do nothing
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you don't have to comply and they cannot
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punish you for non-compliance around and
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so this places the burden on the state
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to prove things like you are you cannot
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incriminate yourself and I think that's
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where a lot of the really interesting
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parts around this issue turn my
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understanding i might not be one hundred
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percent accurate about this my
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understanding though is that there is a
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little wrinkle with the fingerprint
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sensor that police in the united states
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can compel you to like touch the
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fingerprint sensor there's like there's
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something about this we're like the
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police are allowed to put the phone
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against your finger and that doesn't
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actually count as compelling you to do
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anything right and so like the
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fingerprint sensor is like a is a bit of
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a weird loophole in this so there are
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ways that they can try to legally get
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into your phone but they can't they
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can't make you reveal the password which
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there there's some interesting
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consequences to both sides of these for
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example i think the right to be able to
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every legal system because one of the
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things that I don't like about the UK
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system where they can compel you to
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speak is that you can end up in
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situations where you are trapped so I
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mean let's say that the police
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read your home and within your computer
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file somewhere is an encrypted file that
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you don't know anything about that you
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like you downloaded from somewhere like
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some malware put on your computer or
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whatever you can be in a situation where
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they want to compel you to open that
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file and it's like I can't I don't know
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the password then like well we're gonna
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make you think about that like go ahead
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and sit in prison until you're able to
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open up this file i don't like the even
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the legal possibility of of a situation
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like that occurring I don't think that's
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a good thing to have in a legal system
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that a person is required to perform an
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action in order to not be in prison i'm
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very strongly on the opposite side like
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the burden should be on the state to do
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everything to prove your guilt not the
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other way around like I don't like
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making things super easy for the
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government to put people in prison I
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think it definitionally should be a
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difficult thing I'm sure I've seen lots
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of American TV shows where people put in
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prison for being in contempt of court
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until they cough up the name or they
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cough up a source or something so surely
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there are some situations in America
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where they compel people to do things
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well I know you shouldn't base your
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knowledge of the lower on American TV
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shows but i'm going to guess most of
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those cases have to do with a horrible
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horrible plea bargaining system that
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occurs in the united states there are
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many ways in which you can be held in
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prison like awaiting a trial and then
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there's this whole question about like
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what counts as a speedy trial in the
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United States how long can they keep you
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just waiting around like I think there's
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certainly an amount of of wiggle room
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about that i'm just talking about the
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situation like when you get to a trial
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like a trial is occurring what can
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happen in in that scenario but in the
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u.s. like his kidney to do something
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about this but it's it is a horrible
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situation like very very few cases ever
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make it to trial they are all handled in
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this very very high stakes
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confrontational high-pressure plea
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bargain kind of way where a lot of the
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normal protections just don't work
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because you're like bargaining with
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lawyers so I think I imagine like that's
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what you're thinking about that's what's
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another thing about your video on
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encryption that struck me who was a kind
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of not that it was your job to question
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but you can't have had an unquestioning
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faith in the integrity of encryption and
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I don't know whether that's founded on
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and I know that how how safe is you know
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mathematical encryption I mean you know
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I've done videos about and I'm i'm aware
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of some of the things involved and the
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prime numbers and and how it works and
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things but you know with that we don't
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know where quantum computing is really
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at yea yea and things like that so i
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mean hell with you you're assuming a lot
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the slides where I make a reference to
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to quantum computing just messin all of
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this up because I didn't want to kind of
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there are future technological problems
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that may undo all of our current state
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of of encryption they may actually end
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up introducing with quantum computing
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greater levels of encryption but we can
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certainly say like stuff encrypted today
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could be quite trivial for a quantum
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computer years from now to unencrypt
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like that we may very well be in that
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case but there's two things that are
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going on here like one is just this idea
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of as a person can you encrypt data on
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your computer in such a way so that no
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one can practically access it and the
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answer to that is yes because as far as
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we know unless the NSA has some secret
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quantum computer somewhere they're not
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telling us about like an individual on
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their own computer can encrypt files in
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a way that it makes them essentially
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unavailable for the rest of time
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presuming no massive technological
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and I think that's like that's a really
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interesting fact and i was trying
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forever to come up with an analogy to
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explain like how is this the case
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because when people think about like
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locking something away fundamentally
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what you're doing is you are putting a
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thing in a container and you're trying
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to make the container really secure but
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the thing is still inside the container
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but the way encryption works is it's
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like well if you encrypt if you
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encrypted drive on your computer
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it's almost like the data isn't there on
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the drive anymore until you enter the
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password to like she move all of the
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bits back around into a readable fashion
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so it's it's not like someone can crack
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into it like you can break into a safe
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and retrieve the thing like encryption
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because of the magic of mathematics like
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it makes this stuff not there until the
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password is provided like there's
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there's nothing to break you're
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splitting hairs now that I mean that's
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like if I had a completely unbreakable
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safe with a million dollars and I could
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say well the million dollars isn't
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really there because the skin is an
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unbreakable safe but there's no physical
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say that you could build its unbreakable
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well you could argue there's no form of
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encryption of the data that's
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unbreakable to I don't know but see this
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is your assumption you're so now but
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that encryption is unbreakable
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I am saying that like my understanding
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of this is that if if you if you
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encrypted drive it with a secure enough
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the only way to get that password is to
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brute force it and like all of the
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computing technology in the world will
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not let you do that
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basically you're saying to me you do
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have faith in modern encryption barring
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people having password 123 or right yeah
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I think stupid you do have faith in
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encryption but and fair enough fair
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enough maybe you're right maybe I don't
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know that encryption i guess a bit of an
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elephant in the room and I don't know if
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more has come out about this or you you
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have your own theory but the the FBI did
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suddenly saying this said their do you
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know San Bernardino case ma'am they
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suddenly said I we've got into the phone
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now I had to get into it so this is the
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it the other issue that i'm not touching
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on in the video because I'm trying to
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keep it like oh we're in the Platonic
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ideal of encrypting a phone right like
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that that is the realm in which my video
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yeah right but there is a totally
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separate unrelated issue which is how
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secure can a particular company make a
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particular model of phone and that is
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the question which i'm not talking about
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because the answer is like there have
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been tons of security exploits with
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apple stuff and android phones over the
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years and various models of phones like
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they are no stranger to various ways of
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people breaking into their particular
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phones right like that that definitely
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exists and apple overtime has i will
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just speak about because that's the one
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I'm more familiar with but Apple
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overtime has tried to increase the
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security of their phones and if you want
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to read a document which I think exists
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at the intersection of fascinating and
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deadly boring apple makes a lot of their
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security documents available online and
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i was reading through a bunch of these
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where they talk about how their security
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systems work and like they have such a
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difficult problem because the example i
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was using before where you are an
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individual on your own computer
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attempting to encrypt your own files
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against very straightforward you can do
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that with with available software but
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Apple is in this difficult position of
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like they want to sell you a device that
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they want to be able to remotely update
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to make changes to write and in which
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you are also going to put on your data
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like that's an incredibly difficult
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thing to do like they want your data to
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be secure on the phone while also they
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have the ability to remotely change the
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software on the phone like it never
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really occurred to me before reading
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through some of the security documents
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but that is a hell of a hard problem to
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solve and it's fascinating like all of
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the ways that they have tried to go
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about this like they you know each phone
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has like this randomly burned in series
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of on and off transistors that are
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use is like this local thing to encrypt
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the files and they combine that with
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like data from your fingerprint like
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they do they are doing so much crazy
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stuff to try to prevent them prevent
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Apple to prevent anybody else from being
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able to access the data on the phone
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except you and it's so hard especially
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when you consider like most people are
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using a 4-digit pin on their phone
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so it's it's a fascinating problem that
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they have but because their situation is
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not straightforward because they are
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putting out into the world these phones
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that they also want some level of access
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to this is one of the reasons why there
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are particular security flaws in the
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phones that do allow people to get
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access like Apple tries to fix them as
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much as they can they're always trying
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to make the phones more secure with each
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generation but they're they're just
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doing a thing that's going to be
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fundamentally flawed in some scenarios
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and so again I don't really want to get
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into someone like the details of this
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particular case but i'll just say that
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like it came up because that particular
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phone the iphone 5c had some particular
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security flaws that the FBI wanted Apple
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to exploit right and that had been a
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newer phone like oh we we solve those
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security problems that can no longer be
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fixed the this to me is two different
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questions like is encryption a thing
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that that exists that can be
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theoretically unbreakable
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yes can Apple make a phone that is
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perfectly always unbreakable in all
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scenarios the answer the questions so
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far is like no but they're always
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getting better at that like they're
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trying to move more and more toward that
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direction like they they are clearly
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trying to close off more and more of
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people's data from themselves from
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anybody being able to access it but I
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really think those are two very
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different questions this episode of
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can totally do I have done this so many
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times for video projects that i have
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archived on this huge hard drive that
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sitting next to me here now
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that stuff's not in my regular sinking
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system but i can get access to it
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through backblaze if I'm somewhere else
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and I need to get an asset file from a
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video it's just it's fantastic
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now since we've been talking about
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encryption one of the little features
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that backblaze has is if you are
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extremely concerned about your digital
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security in the way that I am
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don't know some government issued a
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warrant saying that they wanted access
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to all of your digital backups there's
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nothing backblaze can give them they can
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hand over the encrypted files but tough
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now this is for experts only if you are
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going to enable this feature you really
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better know what you're doing because if
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you lose your private encryption key and
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learned disasters always come in more
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than one you are going to be totally out
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of luck you will not be able to restore
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your files there is nothing backblaze is
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like that back plays even has this as
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an option for the super duper privacy
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concerned once again it just shows these
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again I cannot emphasize this enough if
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you are still listening to me and you
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computer you need to go to backpage.com
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sign up thanks to backblaze for
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supporting the show you said one other
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thing in your second video which unless
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mmm i disagree with in your second video
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about how important our phones are to us
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know you made it you made the point that
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given the choice between allowing
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someone to read your mind or read
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through all the contents of your find em
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you think reading the mind is the better
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I think under certain circumstances yes
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yeah I do think that I think that's only
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true under very very limited
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circumstances and I like I can't agree
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with you I think that was a slightly
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inflammatory and ridiculous thing to say
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why do you think it's ridiculous because
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someone being able to read all the
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contents of your mind is far more
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revealing and potentially damaging and
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i'm assuming damage limitation was the
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premise of the question and far more
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damaging than someone reading the
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contents of your phone and I think you
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agree because yeah you have that sound
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about you i'm trying to think about how
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to have to bring a brady over to my side
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here era but i think this is there's a
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fundamental problem which is that I am a
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very present and future oriented person
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and I think you are much more of a past
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and i have a hell of a hard time
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remembering lots of things in my own
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life I think this is so much stuff that
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I just forget all the time like my wife
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constantly comments on this about how
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things that happened a year ago from my
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perspective it's like they never
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happened ever like wet when did this
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occur i have no idea
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and so I feel like my mind might be
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particularly perhaps unusually devoid of
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records right this is not the whole lot
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stored in there that it's much more like
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oh what's going on right now of course
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like people have thoughts like there are
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things that you don't want other people
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to like hear that you're the butt of
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course the sub focalized voice in your
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head is is talking all the time now but
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I can honestly say that would I rather
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have someone read my mind or read my
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phone i think i would rather have
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someone read my mind
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your phone has just so many records of
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absolutely everything in your life that
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you don't even know what's in your phone
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like what would embarrassing stuff isn't
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that's crazy great that's crazy
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let me let you look at the extreme
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criminal example fair strap say you were
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accused of some terrible heist in whom
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the diamond heist in the centre of
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London and the police have got you in a
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cell and I say gray can we read your
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mind or can we read your phone
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well have I committed the heist yes
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you've committed the whole cast of
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computerized the communities like this
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is overhead what's the situation here
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that you could now you're not going to
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forget that you committed the highest
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you might you might forget where you
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were on april two 2014 when you met with
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me to Planet em but you're not gonna
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forget you did it so when they use their
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incredible mind-reading probe that
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borrowed from death theta mu they're
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gonna know straight away they're gonna
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say the first thing i'll ask you this
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did you do the highest your brain will
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say yes and and then you're after jail
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yeah whereas it's very unlikely you have
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written in your phone i did the highest
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there'll be lots and lots of evidence i
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was at this place at this time I was at
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this place at this time
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here are the blueprints of the building
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here at here or this his discussion
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about where Atkins here's me looking at
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websites about selling diamonds
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there's gonna be a ton of circumstance
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actual evidence that they can use to
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build up the case against you but
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nothing more powerful than your brain
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just saying yes i did a little like with
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this perfect breeding machine so
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I've got you by reading in mind
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regardless of all this evidence and also
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so I think the criminal example just
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folks to pieces because no one forgets
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their criminal and I and just to be
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clear i agree with you there
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i I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take the
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opposite position that like if I am
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actually a diamond hyster then yes I
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would rather have someone look at the
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phone then have my own brain and play
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back the memory of like here's me doing
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this diamond heights now let's say
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you're talking about like just your
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friend like are you going to let me read
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your mind gray or are you gonna let me
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look at your fine and if i look at your
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phone I'll see all the texts and emails
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you sent to your friends and family
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saying our brain is really pissing me
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off today and they're all those
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embarrassing things right that you don't
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want me to say and you've even feel and
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you forgotten you even set the right of
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course like you you forgotten someday
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you pissed off at me two years ago it
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would be really embarrassing if I then
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read it because you don't even feel that
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way anymore you but I still think it's
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much more damaging if I'm able to go
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into your brain and find out your true
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real feelings like I don't like the way
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he looks so I don't like the way he
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smells or you know because that's also
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more truth if i look at your phone I'll
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have my feelings hurt but at least I
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could tell myself I would like that was
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two years ago and I was big bit of a
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dick that day so fair enough but if i
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can go straight into your brain and know
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your innermost feelings and your deepest
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thoughts that's much more potentially
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hurtful or private and sure you can't
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remember little details but that's the
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core of who you are in your brain and
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you can tell me it changes over time and
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that but i think that's much more
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damaging our can't see a circumstance
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where I think being able to read my mind
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would be less damaging than being able
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to read my fine i certainly don't want
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people to read my phone will and you're
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right i forgot her more than half the
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stuff in it and it would be really
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embarrassing but being able to get into
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we're all my deepest darkest thoughts
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are things I would never even right into
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I don't want people going in there so no
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I I genuinely feel if we were sitting at
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the pub and I could hand you my phone or
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hand you my brain I'd rather hand you my
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it's pretty interesting guy I feel like
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yeah go ahead look through like
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obviously they'd be embarrassing stuff
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in my brain but I feel like the the
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phone you know again assuming that you
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were able to like understand everything
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on the phone in the same way that you
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are able to understand everything on the
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brain i feel like there's potentially
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way worse stuff on the phone that I
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can't even remember or think about it
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like you said stuff that is not even
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relevance now but could somehow be
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damaging like it just feels like there's
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so much more potential there then like
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what's in my brain now like no I'm not a
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whole lot i don't agree because with
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this braid with this hypothetical
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operating that were talking about
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appreciating I can I can you know
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interrogate you for what I want like
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your opinions and feelings I am
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presuming that i'm presuming that you
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would have access to the state of my
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brain in the same way that i have access
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to the state of my brain
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surely that's more damaging because I
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could find out really personal things
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about you that you would never have
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committed to your phone before
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yeah but i don't know like did years ago
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me commit really personal stuff to my
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I don't know possibly probably i don't
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know i'm not saying there's none of that
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there of course there's gonna be tons
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and tons of it but not more than the
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ability for me just to read your mind
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and find out what you think about
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everything I guess what I feel here is
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like I am more confident in the limited
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content of my brain that I am in the
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what seems like near-infinite content of
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my phone it's almost like a devil you
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know vs devil you don't know situation
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here and if you like the phone is the
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devil i don't know like dear god what
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did I type into that thing three years
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ago I have no idea but let's not let
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anybody look at that I don't even want
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to look at that I'd enough i should read
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into this that you're actually just a
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really really lovely person in your
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brain or that you're really really
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worried about what you would like a few
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let me ask you something else about that
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though era because all of this the
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encryption stuff or like reading your
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mind reading your phone
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I feel like this is all a sideshow in
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the same way that like the star trek
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video was all like a sideshow to what i
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thought was the actual point what do you
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think about taking the phone or other
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digital devices in your life and
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considering them in a legal sense as an
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extension of the self within and here i
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want to say like let's talk about this
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in the context of American law or like
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you are not obligated to incriminate
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yourself and so in some sense like that
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is legal protection for the state of
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what what do you think about
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establishing some kind of legal
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precedent to say like we are going to
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decide that a person's phone is like an
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off-board brain and this is legally
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protected as part of the self in the
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same way that we protect people's brains
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as part of the self or interesting i
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think my first instinct is no because
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everything going into your phone is
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still a document that paperwork who like
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every every photo and just because we're
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becoming a lot more prolific with their
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creation of the paperwork doesn't make
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them it's not paperwork so my first
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instinct is now these are all still
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these are also documents that can be
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treated as separate from who we are
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whether or not that means everyone
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should you know whether or not it may
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just open season on people saying them
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is another question but it's also
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questionable about the paper i have in
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my cupboard you know not everyone can
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look at that other right but we're
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talking about it i got like in illegal
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contact here right that we can just say
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that you are falsely accused of a crime
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but none-the-less like there is a new
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somehow live in America but nonetheless
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there's a warrant to seize all of all of
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your documents right and and then the
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question I think is like does that
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include all of the documents on your
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phone or is it just limited to the
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documents in your house like how how far
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I guess the phone could start becoming
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quite handy refuge of the criminal
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couldn't because phone so powerful now
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and could hold so much that
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you just do everything with your phone
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and put everything in your phone
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comfortable in the knowledge that it
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could never be scrutinized no matter
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so what you can do that with your own
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brain now right like you know I'm sure
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criminals in the past they have the
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option of not committing things to paper
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yeah I don't think criminals could use a
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thing it to me is always one like the
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worst argument ever look good there we
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have tools and criminals can use tools
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but tools are still good we don't ban
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tools of any kind
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it's true i'm only asking because i
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think this is the part of the video but
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we also don't we also don't ban the
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police from the fingerprinting those
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tools are checking the bloodstains on
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the master crimes committed right right
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and and i think that's that's where this
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this balance comes in right of how much
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power do we grant to authorities where
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do we set the boundaries of personal
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liberty like what
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where is that edge that the reason I
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think this is so important is is just go
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back to the mind-reading
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ever-so-slightly I don't think that we
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live in a world where it is unreasonable
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to expect that at some point we really
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will be able to build essentially
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mind-reading machines right or close
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enough and then and then I think like
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boy the American legal system has a
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really interesting question their of if
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we legally protect your right to not say
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anything does that but do we legally
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protect your right to not be in a brain
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scanner that's an interesting question
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am I my gut reaction is that protection
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against self-incrimination should extend
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to the mind just in general so that in
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the future scenario where we do have a
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brain reading machine
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you should not be able to compel someone
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to go in a brain reading machine i think
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that counts of self-incrimination
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yeah that was the most hesitant yes in
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the world do you think so do you not
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think so are we assuming a completely
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flawless braiding machine
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let's assume that it actually works
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right it it works as well as as someone
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reading a piece of paper works i guess
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it comes down to whether or not you
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think the the system is this legal
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systems main goal
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is to establish truth and then executes
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justice or to protect people from
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getting themselves in trouble and if
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you've got an absolutely perfect perfect
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hundred percent platonic brain reading
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well that's the end of course isn't like
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words did you killer well that's that
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said let's find out
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perfect range machine yes i did killer
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here's the circumstances
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what you gonna do about it what's
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justice and the only reason to sort of
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protect the rights of the people from
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self-incriminating is floors in the
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legal system but you've given me a
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flawless machine to find out what
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happened i don't actually agree that a
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perfect mind reading machine would be
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the end of the legal system are you to
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also talking about false memories or
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because people can be wrong about the
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state of their own mind while they're ok
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I was sort of my platonic machine had
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gotten around that problem right yeah
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yeah but now you're just talking about a
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magic machine right beginning that
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people are are often wrong about the
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state of of their own yet right which is
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which starts get you into such strange
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things and you know and it's one of
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these cases where when high-profile
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crimes occur it is not unusual for
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police to get tons of just confessions
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from people or places like oh I did this
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oh no you didn't you just crazy right
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here a lunatic you think you did this
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but you didn't do this so yeah machine
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isn't magic but it is a perfect brain
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reading machine and that's a different
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thing I mean what a perfect legal at
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justice system create a situation where
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people didn't remain silent everyone
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just calmly without pressure told what
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they think their version of the stories
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and then people came to decisions i mean
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this current situation where people can
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just keep don't and not incriminate
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himself who is is there to protect them
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from all of the pressures that are there
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and all the floors in the legal system
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there so with a more idealized ecosystem
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not have people remaining silent they
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would tell their version of events and
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then this amazing judge would hear
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everyone's version of events told calmly
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and rationally and fairly and can weigh
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them and look at the evidence
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it feels like the people's right to
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remain silent which I am in favor of who
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is there because we haven't is there
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because we have a flawed system who and
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now York your sort of playing fantasy
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the ecosystems and removing all the
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flaws and I think if we have all these
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floors being removed this right to
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I don't see the need for anymore yes I I
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don't think I'm playing fantasy legal
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my concern is that you have a legal
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system which is still like today you
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know it's it's it's made of people and
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you have trials and you have lawyers and
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have like all these conflicting
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interests but you just happen to have a
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piece of technology that allows you to
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read the thoughts and contents of a
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person's mind with this with the fluid
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system just one new piece of technology
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obviously i think people should still
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have the right to remain silent
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ok ok that's yeah okay so i will type
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sorry i was taking fantasy legal system
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to extremes that
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yeah i mean i agree with you in a
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perfect world we have no problems as I i
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agree with agree with that point but I'm
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just thinking like an actual an actual
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progression of today's technology like
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that they're there was reading around
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some people were saying like there's
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some super interesting stuff about just
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how the the resolution of brain scanning
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technology is increasing over time and
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that there are some extremely
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rudimentary examples of trying to pull
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things like color thoughts out of a
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person's brain like someone's thinking a
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color like you can identify what color
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their thinking by brain scan
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I just some just some really weird stuff
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like that it's like ok well I can see
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where this is going like it's not in
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principle impossible to do so it seems
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like I think it's inevitable will end up
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with something that can at least be some
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kind of brain scanner at some point and
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that's why i genuinely genuinely worried
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about this stuff but the but the related
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thing is this idea about like where does
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if if as you do you agree that that
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presume we don't have a perfect legal
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system there is still room and still
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reason for the protection against
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self-incrimination then I also think we
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are going to very rapidly get into a
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you have to start wondering what are the
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boundaries of the South right where do
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we draw that line about what counts as
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self-incrimination and I thought like it
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was just by coincidence but people but a
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bunch of people sent me that the Devi
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that video went up there was a news
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story about someone who had a computer
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chip implanted in their brain that
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allows them they were an amputee but
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that allowed them to control of an arm
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like just with their thoughts and people
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are pointing out like well that this is
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actually a super interesting case like
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could you have a warrant for the
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information recorded on that computer
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chip in that person's brain obviously
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right now it's not storing or recording
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a lot of information but it's an
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interesting legal question could you
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write a warrant to say please turn over
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the information on that computer chip in
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that person's brain and like my gut
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feeling is no like that that chip is
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part of the self of that person its it
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is not a separate entity it is not the
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equivalent of a piece of paper lying on
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someone's desk I I think that's
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different and I and I also feel like we
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use our phones and our digital devices
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so much now as off-board brains that I i
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really do think the amount that we use
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them inches them into this category of
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legal protection for the sound and I
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think it's important to set this
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precedent like for the future i really
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do think like this is going to be a
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legal question in some court in some
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country in the nearish future about
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trying to subpoena information for a
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piece of technology that is like in a
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person is going to happen is going to
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I mean I can't speak to the chip in
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Chipping the person that is the thing is
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if I was accused of a crime 15 years ago
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mhm police could have gone through a few
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letters and gone through a few photo
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albums with solid printed photos stuck
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in them and I wouldn't have found out a
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lot to help them and now they could go
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through my phone and find a million
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photos I've taken everyday wear and look
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at a million emails i've sent and and
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look at all my movements and and now a
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lot more so obviously what's in my phone
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is a lot more incriminating them what
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existed 10 years ago
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hmm the question is at what point did at
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what point between that scratchy old
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photo album and the letters and my shiny
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fine with all the information at what
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point was the threshold crossed where it
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became part of me define became part of
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me I five it's impossible to draw that
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line to say okay once you go over a
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it's now maybe it's no longer a photo
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album it's me once you've got over 2000
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it's no longer documents it's now a part
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of me you know i don't know where at
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what point my phone became me this is
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the classic like where is the boundary
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problem that you run into a whole lot of
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stuff there is no good way to answer
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that question and I think you can make
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that question way more difficult by
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imagining a theoretical person who makes
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a physical copy of every single file
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that is on their phone right that they
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are just a tremendous paper hoarder
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living in a gigantic mansion filled with
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reams and reams of paper of their GPS
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coordinates for every second and all of
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the messages and all of the photos and
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all of the emails and like you know and
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how many pages of paper you would need
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to print out to be the equivalent of
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like 4k 60 frames per second video
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they've taken like you can imagine in
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theory a person living in this mansion
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with all of this stuff all of this crap
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and then but my feeling is like over
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those papers aren't them right that
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that's my initial feeling even though
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all of the information would
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theoretically be the same that somehow
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like oh but that seems different
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yeah does that make any sense no that
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doesn't make any sense at all but my
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emotional reaction is that it's somehow
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different when it is all contained on a
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device that is never far away that is
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with you all the time that that is
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different somehow
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but I'm also willing to accept that we
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may in the future state look back on
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this and say oh no the dividing line is
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when the devices started going in our
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bodies right that L and iphone obviously
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the iphone isn't really an extension of
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the self that which is ridiculous
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hyperbole but this right this chip in my
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head which is connected to the internet
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with which I can store memories and
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download new thoughts like that chip in
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my head obviously is part of myself in
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the way that a phone isn't like maybe
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that's a more natural more natural
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boundary that does seem like crossing
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the threshold into kind of sacred ground
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doesn't at once it's once it's
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physically once it's physically touching
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a at every second
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maybe that helps maybe that will help
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draw a line yeah but what if you take an
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iphone to your head
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