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H.I. #63: One in Five Thousand


  I don't feel they're now I didn't know [TS]

  this needs to happen now really ok they [TS]

  can go to that mr. things we say we do [TS]

  it next time they grow as grow to about [TS]

  5,000 things [TS]

  what's this one in the show and see [TS]

  dinosaurs because they go extinct or not [TS]

  this friend of Mines boyfriend of all [TS]

  the things are now about him and all [TS]

  those skills and things he exhibits [TS]

  about himself his ability to clap loudly [TS]

  is perhaps his greatest skill like it's [TS]

  noticeable like if you're in a group of [TS]

  people and everyone claps people will [TS]

  look at him and think wow you are an [TS]

  amazing clapper it's like his gift from [TS]

  god i'm trying to think about how to [TS]

  interpret the thing that you have just [TS]

  said as in the best thing that he does [TS]

  is clap he does nothing in his life [TS]

  better than his clapping yeah which you [TS]

  could you could read that two ways that [TS]

  there's not much else to him authorize [TS]

  an amazing clapper and I think we should [TS]

  go with the amazing clapping given the [TS]

  benefit of the doubt he's just an [TS]

  uncommon Lee good clap basically the [TS]

  story in summary is I know a guy who's [TS]

  really good at clapping that's the story [TS]

  but but I almost think if you stand out [TS]

  in a crowd with your clapping I think [TS]

  you're bad at clapping I don't know [TS]

  better drawing attention to yourself as [TS]

  as as clapping in exceptionally unusual [TS]

  notable way you are drawing attention [TS]

  from whatever is supposed to be being [TS]

  clapped at to yourself and then you're a [TS]

  bad clapper imagine that being like a [TS]

  stadium and someone does a song and [TS]

  everyone starts clapping and then this [TS]

  person starts clapping so with everyone [TS]

  that turns away from the stage and [TS]

  starts clapping the clapper this is [TS]

  larry that then you are a bad clapper [TS]

  you're battling the air [TS]

  i mean i-i maybe you're right i don't [TS]

  know maybe maybe a row [TS]

  maybe you should maybe he's too good a [TS]

  clapper maybe it maybe his strength is [TS]

  in fact his weakness right this is like [TS]

  a reverse Maryland flag right he's so [TS]

  good at clapping he's now bad a clapping [TS]

  yeah I don't know about you but i find [TS]

  the clapping is sometimes burdensome and [TS]

  performances like why do I have to clap [TS]

  all the time with this performance are [TS]

  gnarly just watching a thing [TS]

  lots of times I just sort of don't clap [TS]

  but i try to shift my position to hide [TS]

  it i don't want to clap plenty of people [TS]

  in this room are clapping why do I have [TS]

  to clap why do we have to clap every [TS]

  five minutes if you're going to the [TS]

  trouble of shifting your position and [TS]

  putting in all that effort wouldn't have [TS]

  been easier to have just clapped with [TS]

  clapping you're hitting your hands [TS]

  against each other you know you can make [TS]

  the delicate skin raw if you're clapping [TS]

  along performance I don't know if I feel [TS]

  like clapping is just a lot of burden my [TS]

  achilles hear the clapping is is a song [TS]

  by the band muse cold style light which [TS]

  all the audience laughter clapping along [TS]

  with because it's got quite an unusual [TS]

  bait and I cannot clap in time with the [TS]

  bait and everyone around me because I've [TS]

  seen use lots of times in concert [TS]

  everyone around is doing this intricate [TS]

  clap and it looks amazing all the crowd [TS]

  doing in sync and it sounds amazing and [TS]

  and I'm like I wanna be part of this [TS]

  amazing thing and I'm just there like [TS]

  seven some monkey that can't quite do it [TS]

  right now like I go oh and like and then [TS]

  I think everyone's looking at me and I [TS]

  just put my hands by my side and then I [TS]

  think I know but everyone around to be [TS]

  clapping and I'm not and that song is my [TS]

  power frustrates me such a good song [TS]

  can i clap to it so there's some kind of [TS]

  rhythm that you're supposed to reproduce [TS]

  hear that was just thinking you you fail [TS]

  at this [TS]

  yeah it's got some way I music can you [TS]

  demonstrate for me now operating know i [TS]

  can go into the sewing starlight by muse [TS]

  it's got this weird you know three 2313 [TS]

  pattern or something it's got this [TS]

  unusual pattern that you collect to and [TS]

  like when I break it down [TS]

  I and like I think about it I can sort [TS]

  of get it for one or two like for 10 [TS]

  seconds or 20 seconds and then I lose it [TS]

  again and its really embarrassing it's [TS]

  like it's a big joke to in my wife my [TS]

  inability to to clap to this song that [TS]

  is adorable and charming and told we're [TS]

  looking yeah i'm being able to clap [TS]

  it's always a big moment when they put [TS]

  their playing at Glastonbury this year [TS]

  so hopefully i'll be there for that and [TS]

  it and when nice play that song it's [TS]

  always a big moment and I feel the [TS]

  pressure and file again maybe you should [TS]

  practice that i'm reading now maybe I [TS]

  should get this awesome clip made of [TS]

  mine to come 11 [TS]

  yeah take all the attention here I don't [TS]

  know what his timings like he just gets [TS]

  incredible volume right and too much [TS]

  volume it's no good if you ever watch a [TS]

  political broadcast like the state of [TS]

  the union address in America is the [TS]

  perfect thing for this if you watch the [TS]

  audience as opposed to watching the [TS]

  actual speech was going on when they pan [TS]

  over to people doing the collapse [TS]

  you'll see [TS]

  sometimes people pull this trick where [TS]

  they're on camera right there on TV so [TS]

  it has to look like they're clapping [TS]

  they can't like me and you know try to [TS]

  hide it or just not do it so you'll see [TS]

  people put one hand in the other and [TS]

  just shake their they're joined fists up [TS]

  and down max it's like from afar it will [TS]

  look like they're clapping [TS]

  but if the camera ever goes to close on [TS]

  some people you could see like how [TS]

  they're doing this fake laugh but [TS]

  they're not actually clapping they're [TS]

  tired they don't want to do it and I [TS]

  know I have a lot of sympathy for those [TS]

  people [TS]

  there's a show you on the baby see that [TS]

  I'm sure you don't watch it so I think [TS]

  once a week called question time and [TS]

  they have four or five famous people [TS]

  normally three or four politicians and [TS]

  then maybe one or two other high-profile [TS]

  people and people from the audience [TS]

  asked it's quite small audience about [TS]

  maybe hundred people will ask questions [TS]

  about the news of the wake and then they [TS]

  sort of some of them will then have a [TS]

  stab at answering it and my friends [TS]

  actually call this the clap clap show [TS]

  because basically what happens is the [TS]

  people just will say something to try [TS]

  get the audience to clap them and [TS]

  they're always such obvious platitudes [TS]

  like someone will say I think racism is [TS]

  wrong and we should all stand together [TS]

  and fighter and the audience a low ball [TS]

  clap together and then the next to the [TS]

  next person will say you know so and [TS]

  they're always such a hollow sentiments [TS]

  to get clap and i always think the worst [TS]

  thing in the world for someone must be [TS]

  sometimes you see people make a speech [TS]

  where they're so obviously going for the [TS]

  clap clap moment when they say something [TS]

  they think is gonna rouse a big clap and [TS]

  it submit by at a stone-cold Silas and [TS]

  you've really got to be doing something [TS]

  wrong to get cold silence on the clap [TS]

  clap show and I always feel really sorry [TS]

  for those people I tell you I'll tell [TS]

  you who are people under pressure you [TS]

  know when politicians do speeches [TS]

  particularly during elections and the [TS]

  link thing these days is to have people [TS]

  behind you rather than American flags [TS]

  and stuff you the president you have [TS]

  American flags behind you but if you're [TS]

  running for office you have like a crowd [TS]

  of people behind you [TS]

  oh he's so weird and I have to look so [TS]

  happy and they have to look so emotional [TS]

  that they often don't like whenever [TS]

  whenever you see someone giving a speech [TS]

  and there's people standing behind them [TS]

  or beside them [TS]

  I find my attention is totally drawn to [TS]

  the bystander like I going to blink are [TS]

  you going to look aside at the wrong [TS]

  kommentar anyone of you going to sneeze [TS]

  in opportunely how comfortable are you [TS]

  just standing there for maybe half an [TS]

  hour or an hour i just find it so weird [TS]

  and distracting to have people around [TS]

  like I guess it's supposed to send a [TS]

  message of solidarity to the viewer or [TS]

  something but i just find it weird like [TS]

  can we just have a background [TS]

  couldn't you just be in front of a green [TS]

  screen or something i'd much prefer that [TS]

  I mean it's obviously been researched [TS]

  and focus group to death side obviously [TS]

  and I don't do it so obviously they have [TS]

  to do it i completely agree like I'm [TS]

  sure that it is effective and that's [TS]

  precisely why they did what is like oh [TS]

  guess what groups of people like to see [TS]

  groups of people right [TS]

  yeah that that's that's why it happens [TS]

  but i just find it distracting if I ever [TS]

  see a speech and there's people standing [TS]

  around them [TS]

  it's we are super weird I always podcast [TS]

  with a group of 50 people standing [TS]

  behind me don't do that okay no I call [TS]

  up the video you'll see them now I [TS]

  decided to make I just tell them to make [TS]

  sure they're quiet [TS]

  thank you they're off camera before we [TS]

  started so I don't see them i really [TS]

  appreciate that I I tell them to clap [TS]

  whatever I say something they like and [TS]

  they never do for Brady yeah if we ever [TS]

  do a live podcast i hope i hope people [TS]

  clap you uh yeah that'd be brilliant I [TS]

  would just completely cave to cheer [TS]

  pressure and I talked about how great [TS]

  SpaceX is and always sort of stuff and I [TS]

  just play for the clap eclipse once the [TS]

  crowds there you gotta you gotta play [TS]

  for your audience speaking of cheer [TS]

  pressure last episode we were discussing [TS]

  it we were stumbling around attempting [TS]

  to try to come up with a definition of [TS]

  sorts for this word which and I quite [TS]

  liked and I just want to say someone in [TS]

  the reddit is part of follow-up here put [TS]

  in a definition that I thought was a [TS]

  pretty good working definition and so [TS]

  they said cheer pressure the active [TS]

  urging i'm going to change this slightly [TS]

  here because they said a public figure I [TS]

  think you clarified something and you [TS]

  were right its figures in public like [TS]

  anybody's saying something in public so [TS]

  yeah the active urging a figure in [TS]

  public to only emphasize the positive [TS]

  aspects of an issue when they discuss it [TS]

  caused by fear of any potential [TS]

  repercussions from the dispersal of [TS]

  unbalanced or negative information and I [TS]

  quite like this i think it's a it's a [TS]

  good place to start [TS]

  mmm [TS]

  you don't like it I think it's actually [TS]

  I mean a lot of the problem a lot of [TS]

  people had with cheer pressure was a [TS]

  thought it was peer pressure they [TS]

  couldn't tell the difference between [TS]

  cheer pressure and peer pressure and I [TS]

  think the difference is obvious but peer [TS]

  pressure is a very old encompassing term [TS]

  yeah there's your pressure is a like a [TS]

  under the Venn diagram like cheer [TS]

  pressure is a circle inside peer [TS]

  pressure it's a subset of peer pressure [TS]

  exactly but at but what I think this [TS]

  person has defined as perhaps another [TS]

  subset of cheer pressure because i think [TS]

  it's not necessarily just caused by a [TS]

  fear of any potential repercussions like [TS]

  I think it's a big subset I think that's [TS]

  often the reason people applied shear [TS]

  pressures because they like don't say [TS]

  something bad about SpaceX because I [TS]

  don't know space exploration will stop [TS]

  like say some people do feel that but i [TS]

  think that i think there are other [TS]

  reasons for cheer pressure to I think it [TS]

  can sometimes it can just be you know [TS]

  bullying can just pay it can just be you [TS]

  know just sheer enthusiasm and refusal [TS]

  to believe that other people are [TS]

  enthusiastic so I don't think it's [TS]

  always caused by fear of potential [TS]

  repercussions [TS]

  I think I think they've gone too far [TS]

  with their definition so this is like [TS]

  this is really like the third definition [TS]

  down on a dictionary definition and you [TS]

  think there should be some bullet points [TS]

  above it [TS]

  yeah I know I think I'm if I think I've [TS]

  come up with a definition for a new word [TS]

  that means another hard done by doing [TS]

  this Brady told start doing this they're [TS]

  there they're more like they're more [TS]

  like it's going to involve suppression [TS]

  somehow doesn't a cheer suppression [TS]

  notice other night you know i don't like [TS]

  this is testing in my ability to make up [TS]

  words so I go I'm gonna let that one go [TS]

  but I I think I I admire the definition [TS]

  and I enjoy the conversation but I think [TS]

  they've gone too far by attaching a very [TS]

  specific motive to the cheer pressure [TS]

  well what while you while you may find [TS]

  yourself here limited by your ability to [TS]

  come up with a new word i have to [TS]

  absolutely commend your unintentional [TS]

  prediction abilities from our last show [TS]

  when you let you know an intentional [TS]

  yes an intensive well you threw [TS]

  something out there and you got lucky [TS]

  what did you throw i really like 3i [TS]

  through two things out there and what [TS]

  they were both on the mark my friend [TS]

  this is this is obviously referring to [TS]

  boaty mcboatface blue and in our last [TS]

  episode I said that perhaps a better [TS]

  decision would be to name a small vessel [TS]

  on the ship [TS]

  boaty mcboatface mhm and I also said [TS]

  they'll probably go for a name of you [TS]

  know something more safe and prestigious [TS]

  and I did mention it could be named [TS]

  after David Attenborough lit the science [TS]

  TV presenter and days after a podcast [TS]

  was released at you know what happened [TS]

  there named after David Attenborough and [TS]

  they called the little mini submarine [TS]

  that's going to do the swimming around [TS]

  off the ship [TS]

  boaty mcboatface say the name lives on a [TS]

  small sub vessel it's such an incredible [TS]

  coincidence that i can only assume that [TS]

  it's not a coincidence and just like the [TS]

  New Zealand flag referendum the hello [TS]

  Internet podcast was actually the [TS]

  driving force behind what occurred here [TS]

  I think someone on the committee heard [TS]

  would use that on the podcast and went [TS]

  moves it to happen / yeah that's great [TS]

  that's perfect i I'm gonna I'm gonna say [TS]

  that the hell original podcast is [TS]

  responsible for this [TS]

  I'm sure David Attenborough was kicking [TS]

  around in lots of places as well before [TS]

  I mentioned it but I will say this and [TS]

  I'm going to be controversial and i'm [TS]

  going to riskier pressure [TS]

  oh I don't like that they've named after [TS]

  David Attenborough yeah and i know [TS]

  that's a controversial thing to say but [TS]

  I said it [TS]

  why is a controversial breathing [TS]

  obviously everyone loves David [TS]

  Attenborough not just in Britain [TS]

  probably around the world is that as a [TS]

  science presenter and I think naming the [TS]

  ship after him is basically the [TS]

  old establishment equivalent of boaty [TS]

  mcboatface it's like just the that's [TS]

  another like it's just what you would [TS]

  expect just like you expect the internet [TS]

  to come up with a funny name if you let [TS]

  them to a power right you expect [TS]

  politicians to name the ship after not [TS]

  like a great scientist right but a [TS]

  famous science person and I know a lot [TS]

  about David Attenborough I know his [TS]

  background in science so you don't need [TS]

  to all message me and tell me about his [TS]

  qualifications and what he did I know I [TS]

  know quite a bit about him and he's not [TS]

  like a great scientist he's in great [TS]

  great science communicator and he's been [TS]

  a magnificent ambassador for science [TS]

  right but but i think he gets enough [TS]

  public recognition like you come in you [TS]

  can at least he's turning 90 this year [TS]

  and this TV shows about him all the time [TS]

  and he's got a million honors and and [TS]

  they're all deserved and I'm I'm really [TS]

  happy for him and I think he's fantastic [TS]

  but this was a chance to I i don't think [TS]

  i should have membership after a person [TS]

  myself like why I quite like vessels to [TS]

  be named things like discovery or terra [TS]

  nova which incidentally are both very [TS]

  famous polar exploration vessels which [TS]

  could have been used for the name for [TS]

  this but I like things like that or they [TS]

  could have named after like someone who [TS]

  did amazing science in the polar regions [TS]

  not someone who you know has gone and [TS]

  presented nice shows about penguins but [TS]

  and and I didn't they did they did [TS]

  something that they knew would be really [TS]

  popular really safe and no one will [TS]

  criticize it except me because you're [TS]

  not allowed to say anything negative [TS]

  about David Attenborough so marvelous [TS]

  why do you hate David Attenborough baby [TS]

  why do you hate him so high who's dad [TS]

  he's everybody's grandparent now and [TS]

  he's like but i just think it was a do [TS]

  you think it was pandering like is it is [TS]

  it sounds like you think it's pandering [TS]

  in a way [TS]

  well it was playing it safe and it was [TS]

  pandering a bit i don't know it was [TS]

  disliked it was just like if you were [TS]

  going to go if you went up to someone [TS]

  who knew nothing about science and only [TS]

  watch TV shows and said all we're going [TS]

  to name a ship what are we going to name [TS]

  a unanimous we have a science ship [TS]

  what are we going to cola we're going to [TS]

  call it the david attenborough the Brian [TS]

  Cox at night right there the only to [TS]

  science things people can think of and I [TS]

  think that's a shame they could have [TS]

  named after someone who i'm struggling [TS]

  to come up with the name because I don't [TS]

  know much that Polly reason that's it [TS]

  that's where we're going with this right [TS]

  is like you want you want authenticity [TS]

  and obscurity here right that's that's [TS]

  what you're looking for i know you're [TS]

  looking for the vessel to have some name [TS]

  that nobody outside of the Arctic [TS]

  research community will ever know about [TS]

  or ever here [TS]

  oh ok yeah i could say call it the scott [TS]

  then the Robert Scott but that's [TS]

  probably a bit clich√© to because you [TS]

  know he's the most famous British polar [TS]

  explorer always easy but yeah you know [TS]

  Scott the Antarctic the hey everybody [TS]

  here that's got like I draw a total [TS]

  blank on that like okay it should be [TS]

  like after it's got like the Scottish [TS]

  people are already talking about i have [TS]

  no idea i think you vastly overestimate [TS]

  the name recognition of Explorer I think [TS]

  I think I mean I know you're a really [TS]

  smart guy and you know lots of stuff but [TS]

  Scott of the Antarctic his famous like [TS]

  not a lot of people probably don't know [TS]

  is ok but let me ask you like hey like I [TS]

  know you say famous right but again i [TS]

  will remind you that you are a science [TS]

  communicator who works almost [TS]

  exclusively with people in the science [TS]

  world like how many people do you think [TS]

  you you need to pull aside on a high [TS]

  street before you get one person who [TS]

  knows the name Robert Scott ok i'm going [TS]

  to say like a thousand people i'm going [TS]

  to say a thousand people are know if you [TS]

  go if you got the outer than yay i think [TS]

  i think my Allah all I'm saying is [TS]

  you're standing on the high street and [TS]

  like you're pulling aside people at [TS]

  random [TS]

  I think one in a thousand will know who [TS]

  Robert Scott it's okay with my goods i [TS]

  think it would be better than that but i [TS]

  think i'm not saying he's like a [TS]

  household name sounds like we have a [TS]

  hello Internet Tim research project with [TS]

  someone to do I don't necessarily think [TS]

  even error [TS]

  their audiences that is the best example [TS]

  for this but but but I mean is some [TS]

  dedicated team could go on the high [TS]

  street and everything you know who her [TS]

  father it's got that is [TS]

  hey you know he famously was in this [TS]

  race to the South power in the in 1912 i [TS]

  believe it was it was okay you know when [TS]

  it with a Munson and Shackleton and all [TS]

  these people that these are the big [TS]

  names of them Antarctic except [TS]

  Antarctica like Shackleton's the name I [TS]

  recognize okay well Shackleton and Scott [TS]

  were contemporaries they did they did [TS]

  some research together as well so Scott [TS]

  was the letter names thats got Scott [TS]

  famously his second mission to [TS]

  antarctica ice and particularly [TS]

  knowledgeable on this could actually [TS]

  make a video about yesterday so [TS]

  apathetic but I didn't know Scott of the [TS]

  Antarctic before that [TS]

  uh-huh he's right he's famous because he [TS]

  had this really really ill-fated mission [TS]

  on the terra nova and they got stuck [TS]

  there and they they all starved and he [TS]

  actually did make it to the South Pole [TS]

  but he got there just after the others [TS]

  had gotten there than I think it was the [TS]

  Norwegians just beat him so the second [TS]

  place [TS]

  yeah second place first loser he died on [TS]

  the the trip back and said it was [TS]

  fabulous and really famous story tragic [TS]

  famous stories from history who [TS]

  certainly most British people would know [TS]

  it [TS]

  Scott the Antarctic older british people [TS]

  young people don't know anything but but [TS]

  but out of british people would have [TS]

  would now from schools and stuff like [TS]

  that it but it but he's so famous they [TS]

  don't teach him to young people anymore [TS]

  like what like 44 proposition here look [TS]

  as i'm not saying he get okay well you [TS]

  go ahead let's call it David [TS]

  Attenborough because he's on TV and [TS]

  people have heard of him [TS]

  I'm saying scott is like a great story [TS]

  he's really really pegged to Antarctica [TS]

  he's the most famous person I could [TS]

  think of is really pegged to anchor yeah [TS]

  it does it does it is very clear I'm not [TS]

  arguing that Scott isn't a better name [TS]

  I'm just I'm just trying to get you to [TS]

  acknowledge the total obscurity that [TS]

  name would be to the vast majority of [TS]

  the population i'm not i'm not giving [TS]

  you total obscurity i'm giving you i'm [TS]

  giving you it's a name of [TS]

  people weren't no but I if if we're [TS]

  going to say Scott of the Antarctic is [TS]

  total obscurity then we might as well [TS]

  give up we might we might as well call a [TS]

  boaty mcboatface it's the anything you [TS]

  have you have such high expectations for [TS]

  the general level of knowledge in in [TS]

  like the average member of the [TS]

  population Brady I think it's always [TS]

  it's always charming to me that you [TS]

  think it's natural you have this finger [TS]

  you have such faith no i don't and i [TS]

  know that how you're talking to someone [TS]

  who has for his job has spent many years [TS]

  pulling strangers off the street [TS]

  interviewing them i'm well aware how [TS]

  little people know who and I don't think [TS]

  many people would know who Robert Scott [TS]

  is they certainly wouldn't know he's his [TS]

  name was Robert they were just know [TS]

  Scott everyone just knows him Scott em [TS]

  but I do think he's like what's the word [TS]

  if you're not if not everyone knows you [TS]

  can't call a famous but he's he's highly [TS]

  noteworthy he means the wikipedia [TS]

  notability guidelines [TS]

  oh yeah like apparently the hello [TS]

  Internet podcast is not i think way more [TS]

  people know about the hello engine 45 [TS]

  gap but no matter Robert Scott that is [TS]

  not true that is not very gray he i'm [TS]

  looking at robert scott's wikipedia page [TS]

  now and it's just how many edits does it [TS]

  have I don't have to find that out but [TS]

  its massive [TS]

  it's big look all I want though Holly 10 [TS]

  saying this is what the old guard wanted [TS]

  this is what they've done like a popular [TS]

  science communicator with them all i [TS]

  want i will be able to die happy if when [TS]

  the current crop of people listening to [TS]

  hello internet when they become the old [TS]

  guard if there is some science vessel of [TS]

  any sort some science spaceship perhaps [TS]

  to be named I wanted to name it the [TS]

  Brady McCarron face sculpt the Antarctic [TS]

  you should know who he is but why should [TS]

  what will you use this word should in [TS]

  such a funny way what do you mean by [TS]

  should I should know who he is I think a [TS]

  knowledgeable person should know who he [TS]

  is [TS]

  ok who was the first man to set foot on [TS]

  the moon Neil Armstrong who was the [TS]

  first person to the top of Mount Everest [TS]

  I don't know when that was edmund [TS]

  hillary and sherpa tenzing Tenzing [TS]

  ok you know Edmund Hillary preferably [TS]

  well now that you say the name edmund [TS]

  hillary and I'll take your word that he [TS]

  was the first person I'd up on top of [TS]

  Everest but like i don't i don't know [TS]

  you're at your iight overestimate what [TS]

  people know that if cgpgrey does not [TS]

  know the name of the first person on top [TS]

  of Mount Everest then I I'm out of touch [TS]

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  want to going like that like I'm not [TS]

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  can ask questions and i will try to [TS]

  answer them [TS]

  well i was gonna make and I was going to [TS]

  make up an amazing point but you ruined [TS]

  it but now you're the first person on [TS]

  top of Mount Everest was it you doing my [TS]

  finely crafted argument so i'll just [TS]

  give up because i was going to say I [TS]

  think it's a tragedy that everyone knows [TS]

  the first person on the moon the first [TS]

  person i've met Everest but that don't [TS]

  know for example the first person to the [TS]

  South Pole you're on let's just call [TS]

  this time everything after TV presenters [TS]

  if you want things that are well now and [TS]

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  idea of like the taking the fifth like [TS]

  oh you don't have to talk but you can be [TS]

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  well this is why i was confused be as [TS]

  well because this is obviously a big [TS]

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  sources and I actually know a journalist [TS]

  in adelaide where I'm from who went to [TS]

  jail because he would not reveal a [TS]

  source who he was [TS]

  the court ordered him and he wouldn't do [TS]

  it and he had to go and do some time [TS]

  this is where the confusion came from [TS]

  but obviously this has been if this [TS]

  person is right this this clarifies that [TS]

  all you can only keep stomp if it's [TS]

  yourself is going to get in trouble when [TS]

  you talk and if you're doing it to [TS]

  protect others that's not good enough [TS]

  I thought there was an interesting point [TS]

  and just want to bring that up here and [TS]

  you once again use the phrase that I [TS]

  meant to ask you last time keep stump [TS]

  what is this radios don't know how [TS]

  you're supposed to jump so i don't have [TS]

  to look at but it just means it just [TS]

  means stay quiet like if everyone's you [TS]

  should know what that means because [TS]

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  we're in a group of people and [TS]

  everyone's speaking their mind you're [TS]

  quite often the one who just keeps [TS]

  jumping not say anything [TS]

  it's not that I don't have anything to [TS]

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  it looks like the that the the word the [TS]

  proper where he stormed not stop [TS]

  ok so this is just a brady word that you [TS]

  keep stomping well I was closed doors i [TS]

  think an educated person that know how [TS]

  to say stoom [TS]

  yeah yeah ash door it's an Australian [TS]

  ism to add a page we like adding pays to [TS]

  the end always it i think i just think [TS]

  you're trying to pull your butt out of [TS]

  the fire on his 10 yeah Australia we at [TS]

  p's at the end of everything he wasn't [TS]

  really up a storm is an adjective [TS]

  it's an informal adjective remains [TS]

  silent non-communicative speaking of [TS]

  sayings by the way i'll be many to say [TS]

  this for a while because I i think i've [TS]

  mentioned it before but i think a lot of [TS]

  people don't realize that the term black [TS]

  stump by the way who is a various famous [TS]

  Australian term I don't nobody know you [TS]

  look at you with your liberal use of the [TS]

  word famous know this is famous [TS]

  ok there is that there is a set there is [TS]

  a stray lien isn't me if there is an [TS]

  Australian ism called beyond the black [TS]

  stump it's a saying and it made it means [TS]

  anything that's far away like out in the [TS]

  bush so if something's beyond the black [TS]

  stump [TS]

  I think it means it's like too far away [TS]

  let me check it out it's even got a [TS]

  Wikipedia page i know that's a book [TS]

  that's a book called it's a book called [TS]

  beyond the Blackstone but are we on the [TS]

  disambiguation page again you know how I [TS]

  feel about that you've already lied to [TS]

  hear we got them and its really an [TS]

  Australian expression black stump is a [TS]

  name for an imaginary point beyond which [TS]

  the country is considered remote or [TS]

  uncivilized so if you go beyond the [TS]

  black stump it means you've gone out [TS]

  into the bush and there's no Wi-Fi so [TS]

  obviously when they built this sort of [TS]

  monolithic black building and Adelaide [TS]

  that's where that's why i got called the [TS]

  black stopped because they were riffing [TS]

  off this famous Australian saying and I [TS]

  just thought that was worth putting out [TS]

  there okay [TS]

  he is setting the record straight that's [TS]

  what i thought it was interesting i [TS]

  think people but some people probably [TS]

  think it was really strange that this [TS]

  building i always talk about is called [TS]

  the black stamp and I thought effort was [TS]

  worth adding a little bit more context [TS]

  to where that name came from a little [TS]

  bit more clarity huh dad and it means [TS]

  we've talked about the black stump in [TS]

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  I've got I've got mine that's all that [TS]

  really matters [TS]

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  this year and don't think I'm not going [TS]

  to be taken that t-shirt and taking a [TS]

  photo at the prudential center i look [TS]

  forward to seeing it on twitter i wonder [TS]

  what the people who like work in the [TS]

  black stuff will think if I just left [TS]

  turn up at reception wearing that [TS]

  t-shirt just say that a shit [TS]

  well again given the way you draw on the [TS]

  black stump and given the way it [TS]

  actually looks they won't recognize it [TS]

  they don't know what you're talking [TS]

  about [TS]

  why are you asking us about your [TS]

  t-shirts are it makes no sense [TS]

  yeah we love working here but why he got [TS]

  a picture of the sears terrible teacher [TS]

  and I still want to know of anybody who [TS]

  works in the building listen to the [TS]

  podcast I feel like there has to be one [TS]

  now like I numbers are big enough [TS]

  there's gotta be one dude who works at [TS]

  moved in the flag stop to listen to the [TS]

  podcast if they're if they are listening [TS]

  and stubbornly refusing to identify [TS]

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  doing a disservice to everyone command [TS]

  him as a break your silence reveal [TS]

  yourself at [TS]

  or conversely if you're in adelaide Tim [TS]

  why not get a job with the black stump i [TS]

  have some incredibly dire news Brady no [TS]

  I got this article which says uber is [TS]

  going to it's a little bit it's a little [TS]

  bit ambiguously worded but allow stroke [TS]

  encourage tipping of their drivers [TS]

  through the app or with cash [TS]

  it looks like with cash like with actual [TS]

  to dirty cash that I never carry any way [TS]

  yeah like given given to a driver [TS]

  this is this is this is not this is not [TS]

  a good development [TS]

  this is not a good development it looks [TS]

  like it's the result of some dumb [TS]

  lawsuit in California about like [TS]

  employee rights or whatever but like for [TS]

  me it's like the end result result for [TS]

  me like somehow this translates into [TS]

  uber I don't even know if it's [TS]

  everywhere if it's just in California [TS]

  was just some places but like there may [TS]

  be situations now where I have to worry [TS]

  about like I'm gonna get into an uber [TS]

  and the dude on the other end is going [TS]

  to be expecting or waiting for a tip and [TS]

  then we have this like mutual blackmail [TS]

  for each other that if i don't get him [TS]

  he's going to give me a bad star rating [TS]

  I think this is a terrible development [TS]

  for all of human civilization [TS]

  i'm not i just don't feel like caving to [TS]

  that just like he won't cave to the [TS]

  instructions regarding towels clapping [TS]

  I'm just gonna be like I just said I I [TS]

  don't carry money on me I don't carry [TS]

  money on me that's why i'm getting over [TS]

  that is my gut feeling as well like that [TS]

  this article has actually been on my [TS]

  mind a surprising him house with someone [TS]

  sent it to me like a week ago like it [TS]

  keeps getting turned over and over in my [TS]

  brain I have come to the same conclusion [TS]

  as you that i'm just going to stonewall [TS]

  this I'll just take that one star rating [TS]

  from an uber driver who doesn't like it [TS]

  but like I think i'm going to refuse to [TS]

  tip Boober drivers just on principle [TS]

  like this is not going to happen man [TS]

  it's not even dishonest I that because I [TS]

  think I'm just sort of thinking it [TS]

  through my head and I think it might be [TS]

  true that the last five countries i've [TS]

  been to [TS]

  I have not touched any currency of that [TS]

  country [TS]

  mm like I've not taken cash out I was in [TS]

  Paris a few days ago and I didn't touch [TS]

  any euros I don't think I got any money [TS]

  out when I was in India who more or in [TS]

  return I had some US dollars on me from [TS]

  previous trips that i was able to use to [TS]

  tip my guides and things but you just [TS]

  don't I just don't bother getting money [TS]

  anymore so far if I arrived in some [TS]

  country and jump in and over from the [TS]

  airport and go into town [TS]

  I've got nothing to tip them with anyway [TS]

  I was thinking the same thing and I was [TS]

  running over some of my trips like I [TS]

  recently went to the continent like I've [TS]

  been out of the UK and I realized two [TS]

  things one is that I haven't touched a [TS]

  physical euro in I can't remember how [TS]

  long like I haven't just gotten any out [TS]

  and it is because like wow [TS]

  RR futuristic cashless society has [TS]

  gotten to the point where it's it's good [TS]

  enough that I can just assume that i [TS]

  will never have to touch physical [TS]

  physical cash [TS]

  the only time i will touch physical cash [TS]

  going somewhere is going to the United [TS]

  States because they're people will chase [TS]

  you down the street if you don't give [TS]

  them their blackmail tips and also [TS]

  because of the legal things we mentioned [TS]

  before that you do have to tip in [TS]

  America for some reasons like you know [TS]

  we don't have to go want to revisit that [TS]

  whole thing again [TS]

  yeah but like in America yes i will [TS]

  intentionally try to carry cash but I [TS]

  also realized a couple months ago in the [TS]

  UK that partially because of actually [TS]

  having apple pay on my watch like I use [TS]

  Apple pay for just about every single [TS]

  store that I go to now and I've actually [TS]

  changed some of my routines to avoid [TS]

  stores that don't accept contactless [TS]

  payments like no contactless payment I [TS]

  don't even want to have to touch your [TS]

  little buttons on the pin pad when i'm [TS]

  buying something forget it like I'm [TS]

  gonna I'm gonna walk to the store next [TS]

  door to not have to not have to handle [TS]

  even just the card transaction but so [TS]

  anyway I realize like I use cash so [TS]

  infrequently that I ended up buying one [TS]

  of these little micro wallets that is [TS]

  only big enough to hold a couple of my [TS]

  credit cards and these a couple little [TS]

  key cards that i use for entry into [TS]

  my office and nothing else there's an [TS]

  even space in it like I couldn't I [TS]

  couldn't have small denominations of [TS]

  cash if I even wanted to and I got this [TS]

  a few months ago thinking like oh maybe [TS]

  I'm going to regret this and the answer [TS]

  is nope I've never regretted it since [TS]

  like I put in 150 pound note in my [TS]

  wallet for emergencies and that 50 pound [TS]

  note has remained there forever unbroken [TS]

  I've never had to use it i know i'm mr. [TS]

  old-fashioned but I have to say the [TS]

  contactless payment has really won me [TS]

  over [TS]

  it's the basket yeah i really like it so [TS]

  you know I'm on board with you i think [TS]

  it's a real shame if / are going to [TS]

  pressure tipping I imagine maybe it's [TS]

  going to be introduced into the app [TS]

  which will take away one of the things i [TS]

  like about you but I know lift does have [TS]

  tipping it's just a mess look I don't [TS]

  care if I have to tip I just don't want [TS]

  to have the interaction put in the [TS]

  bloody app and I'll do it [TS]

  just put it in the app shut up i'm with [TS]

  you most of the way here is and again [TS]

  like to clarify for people we are again [TS]

  is not an issue about being cheap it's [TS]

  just an issue about having to think [TS]

  about it like the mental burden of this [TS]

  that's a little bit of an interaction [TS]

  but even I i originally thought like oh [TS]

  in the app will be better and it is [TS]

  better but i've been using I don't know [TS]

  if you've used any of these but these [TS]

  these are services now that like they [TS]

  can go to restaurants for you and pick [TS]

  up food so there's there's a whole bunch [TS]

  of companies that do this now in the UK [TS]

  is like deliver and quick up and there's [TS]

  like a ton of these this is one of these [TS]

  businesses that it seems like it's [TS]

  exploded all of a sudden and he's like [TS]

  guys on bikes riding all over the city [TS]

  picking up stuff from restaurants and [TS]

  stores and delivering it to your right [TS]

  and so every i found when he's like this [TS]

  is the craziest thing ever like I'm [TS]

  sitting at home and I want a burger and [TS]

  I can't make a burger by compressive [TS]

  buttons on my phone and like a man will [TS]

  bring a burger to me from the other side [TS]

  of the city this is fantastic so I love [TS]

  these things but they do have tipping in [TS]

  the app and it still has that same kind [TS]

  of little bit of annoying frustration [TS]

  and I think that this is perhaps like [TS]

  almost the minimum amount of interaction [TS]

  i could possibly have with the human [TS]

  where they still seem to require a tip [TS]

  because like so here's what happens from [TS]

  my perspective I press some buttons [TS]

  on my phone twenty minutes later a man [TS]

  knocks on the door and very often [TS]

  without saying a single word just hands [TS]

  me a bag of my food and walks away right [TS]

  and then the app pops up a little [TS]

  feedback button and it says please rate [TS]

  this person 125 stars and how much of a [TS]

  tip do you want to give them and it [TS]

  annoys me every time because it feels [TS]

  like out what how is this how is this [TS]

  even possible to be a tipping [TS]

  interaction like what is what is the [TS]

  range of outcomes that can be here like [TS]

  as far as I'm concerned there should be [TS]

  just one button which is like did the [TS]

  person get the order correct yes or no [TS]

  like that that seems like it should be [TS]

  the only feedback here how how amazing [TS]

  could this experience possibly be that I [TS]

  would feel like yes I want to give the [TS]

  person as as the app gives me the option [TS]

  to and other like a hundred pounds worth [TS]

  of tip like when is this ever going to [TS]

  happen what the person possibly have [TS]

  done i don't i don't understand and i [TS]

  find it frustrating [TS]

  well you don't you know you don't like [TS]

  talking to paper so I don't you sound a [TS]

  bit like you want your cake and eat it [TS]

  too I mean but that'sthat's break this [TS]

  down I mean what did they get there [TS]

  quickly did they were they clean did [TS]

  with it was the thing handed to a nice [TS]

  clean fresh looking bag with a little [TS]

  edge screwed up and had on the back of a [TS]

  motorbike [TS]

  I mean I guess there are scales of how [TS]

  well they could have done that as [TS]

  someone who has ordered probably a [TS]

  hundred burgers now for his i am going [TS]

  to tell you that the range of delivery [TS]

  like the difference in experience is [TS]

  functionally 0like from my perspective [TS]

  it is exactly the same every time I i [TS]

  mean i don't mind tipping people who [TS]

  deliver things to me because I just keep [TS]

  a big pot of money in the house lot of [TS]

  coins and I just every time that the [TS]

  door rings with the delivery I just [TS]

  grabbed you know a couple of pound coins [TS]

  and again the thing that I don't like is [TS]

  the thinking about it every single time [TS]

  if we were going to put in the app or if [TS]

  any of these delivery services have [TS]

  tipping in the app I just wish they [TS]

  would let me just set a default amount [TS]

  let me just pick two pounds or three [TS]

  pounds or whatever and just do that [TS]

  every time and never ask me again it's [TS]

  just I don't want to ever have to think [TS]

  about this but really I would prefer [TS]

  that they pay their employees enough [TS]

  like do I hope people don't like depend [TS]

  on the tips that's what I don't want [TS]

  yeah if i did it in the app I wouldn't [TS]

  mind because I don't do the star rating [TS]

  on over until the next day or next time [TS]

  i turn my phone on so i wouldn't mind [TS]

  when i did that pressing or 12 or three [TS]

  dollar button that wouldn't bother me if [TS]

  that's how it's gonna work but just [TS]

  don't make it something that I have to [TS]

  think about on the drive and how this is [TS]

  gonna go with the driver [TS]

  I don't want to be thinking about that i [TS]

  love you know sometimes I have great [TS]

  conversations with my uber driver had an [TS]

  uber driver yesterday and we talked [TS]

  about cricket and Formula One always [TS]

  London and we had a great conversation [TS]

  sometimes I don't talk to my uber driver [TS]

  one word and I just jump out when i get [TS]

  to the end I say thank you you know but [TS]

  I jump out but I don't want to be [TS]

  spending that drive thinking about or [TS]

  what money of I got what hand should i [TS]

  be holding in how am I gonna hand it to [TS]

  them [TS]

  I just want to be thinking about that i [TS]

  really like that about over that you [TS]

  know it's just what I wanted to be and [TS]

  it'd be a real shame if that that [TS]

  tipping thing creeps in but i don't mind [TS]

  giving an extra dollar or two on top you [TS]

  know just factored into that sort of [TS]

  Nova costs in my head that's fine but [TS]

  just let me do it in my app in my own [TS]

  time you know when i'm sitting down [TS]

  after I've done my work and I checked my [TS]

  messages and Michael I've got to get my [TS]

  uber driver is five stars and oh yeah he [TS]

  was nice that guy i'll also check into [TS]

  bucks right that's okay I'll do with [TS]

  that but don't but don't don't put it in [TS]

  their faces [TS]

  I completely agree should be low stress [TS]

  environment obviously most of the time I [TS]

  don't prefer human interaction if I can [TS]

  possibly avoid it i will pay extra to [TS]

  not have human interaction if I possibly [TS]

  can but I do find with ubers that [TS]

  because I have an idea of how long is [TS]

  this interaction going to be theirs [TS]

  constraints around this environment that [TS]

  sometimes I've his kids sound bad but [TS]

  like i practice being social with the [TS]

  uber drivers it's like let's have a [TS]

  casual conversation with a stranger like [TS]

  let's see how this goes [TS]

  and I also know that it's a great time [TS]

  to practice because this person is in a [TS]

  sense being paid to be a meaningful to [TS]

  me so it can't go terribly wrong and if [TS]

  I know like okay well this can only last [TS]

  ten possible minutes sometimes i will [TS]

  like intentionally talk with the uber [TS]

  driver [TS]

  offers to just like this is how to talk [TS]

  to strangers but don't worry it won't [TS]

  last too long and it can't go terribly [TS]

  wrong either so its practice [TS]

  socialization that's another benefit of [TS]

  over maybe you should be keeping I i [TS]

  spent some time with a friend of mine [TS]

  the other day who is a real expert in [TS]

  the area of driverless cars [TS]

  oh yes yeah he is and does a lot of work [TS]

  in the UK to do with the traffic flow in [TS]

  the phasing in of driverless cars anyway [TS]

  we were talking about it quite a lot so [TS]

  I did say to him what are they going to [TS]

  be cold when they're out there and I [TS]

  mean he didn't know obviously and I said [TS]

  what do you call them in your in your [TS]

  discussions you know you talk about them [TS]

  every day you must have a name for them [TS]

  has a question how do you do it how do [TS]

  you differentiate them and he said they [TS]

  do often call them driverless cars but [TS]

  more often i will call them autonomous [TS]

  vehicles and therefore they more often [TS]

  called the Navy's so when they're [TS]

  talking amongst themselves they usually [TS]

  will call them a phase and I think [TS]

  that's a pretty cool name because you [TS]

  know SUV is a is a pretty cool term that [TS]

  most people seem comfortable with an RV [TS]

  and maybe av's is is not bad name for [TS]

  them so I just lightly I throw that out [TS]

  there for you i know you I know you [TS]

  still like autos but maybe we're gonna [TS]

  end up calling them a vase that this is [TS]

  this is why you're so good just like you [TS]

  think of these interesting questions and [TS]

  like it seems obvious in retrospect the [TS]

  lake yet someone working on this stuff [TS]

  they must in their lingo have a way to [TS]

  shorten the phrase driverless cars like [TS]

  that that phrase is just crazy long for [TS]

  a thing that you're going to say 200 [TS]

  times a day [TS]

  yeah and normally I don't like the the [TS]

  breaking things down to a series of [TS]

  letters but I think you're right like AV [TS]

  if it fits in a pre-existing framework [TS]

  yeah of SUV and RV yeah it does have the [TS]

  problem of you know audio-visual of [TS]

  course an Davey is a very much a big [TS]

  term of its own but what I think [TS]

  ya like like a lot of like a lot of [TS]

  businesses will have like a navy [TS]

  department or I you know or an AV room [TS]

  which is the audiovisual room and so it [TS]

  is it is a thing but well you can you're [TS]

  probably demonstrating by not being [TS]

  familiar with the term yourself that I [TS]

  also think it's separate enough from the [TS]

  automotive industry [TS]

  sorry that I think it could exist on his [TS]

  own I think Ivy is a strong candidate I [TS]

  actually think it's a better candidate [TS]

  than autos myself but anyway just was [TS]

  putting in the mix for you [TS]

  oh yeah don't like I'm always having fun [TS]

  futilely pushing autos uphill there [TS]

  right like I know I I have fun with that [TS]

  my my genuine prediction is is still [TS]

  what I said you know when the video [TS]

  first came out that we're just going to [TS]

  call them cars that this that this is [TS]

  the same kind of of transition like [TS]

  smartphone that I feel like we're pretty [TS]

  much on the other side of the smartphone [TS]

  transition where it's just back to [TS]

  people calling them phones [TS]

  yeah that there's no real need to have [TS]

  this distinction anymore between [TS]

  smartphones and phones because you can [TS]

  just assume that everybody's phone is [TS]

  smart and I think that the the cars are [TS]

  going to go through that exact same [TS]

  thing we're going to have a little bit [TS]

  of a phase where they're called [TS]

  autonomous or whatever and then it's [TS]

  gonna just going to slide right back and [TS]

  back to cars and it's like when when [TS]

  where cars not self-driving like people [TS]

  won't even remember how long do you [TS]

  think that phase will be that that that [TS]

  time we will need it even need a [TS]

  differentiator like how long is the [TS]

  period in debate when human-driven cars [TS]

  and navies are sharing the road [TS]

  I mean I know you were getting a few [TS]

  autonomous vehicles already but that [TS]

  they're still very novel how long do you [TS]

  think that the time will be that we're [TS]

  sharing in a mainstream driving is [TS]

  shared between human driven cars and [TS]

  autonomous vehicles is it going to be [TS]

  like two years is going to be 30 years [TS]

  like you know what would you mention [TS]

  this kind of thing is very hard to say [TS]

  but say you know way closer to two years [TS]

  than 30 years [TS]

  yeah I know it's not quite the same the [TS]

  analogy that i'm going to make here but [TS]

  I think it's a good frame of reference [TS]

  which is which is again going back to [TS]

  smartphones I think smartphones took [TS]

  over so fast because they had such [TS]

  incredible economic utility for people [TS]

  and you know you give you like rewind [TS]

  back to 2005 lots of people didn't feel [TS]

  like they needed a smartphone and I [TS]

  talked to I talked to just about [TS]

  everybody about autonomous cars like I [TS]

  think it's a really interesting topic [TS]

  and i'm also always really interested to [TS]

  see how people [TS]

  react to the topic like what you know [TS]

  what do they think about this I can and [TS]

  how do they react to the very idea and [TS]

  like okay so i've had this theory which [TS]

  i think is kind of born out by some of [TS]

  the very early autonomous car stuff [TS]

  where I think most people will approach [TS]

  autonomous cars is like oh this is maybe [TS]

  it's like not something I need or maybe [TS]

  it's not something that's realistic or [TS]

  maybe it's not something that's possible [TS]

  and then as soon as someone is able to [TS]

  like sit in an autonomous car even a [TS]

  limited autonomous car it becomes two [TS]

  things straight away boring it becomes [TS]

  very boring like visit this is a report [TS]

  from almost everybody who's done any [TS]

  kind of riding an autonomous cars they [TS]

  remarked on how immediately you get used [TS]

  to it and it just seems totally normal [TS]

  and then the second thing which i think [TS]

  is a very human factor is people then [TS]

  immediately start focusing on all of the [TS]

  limitations i was like five minutes ago [TS]

  you were doubtful about this thing and [TS]

  now you're wondering well why can't just [TS]

  drive anywhere ever want to go I want [TS]

  more practice like now I want this to do [TS]

  so much more [TS]

  I think that's the transition that [TS]

  happens in people's mind from like [TS]

  doubtful too boring to why can't do [TS]

  absolutely everything I really think [TS]

  there's going to be just like a [TS]

  tremendous pole and even if they're not [TS]

  workable under all scenarios i think the [TS]

  transition will actually be quite quick [TS]

  and especially when you combine this [TS]

  with a few other ideas that again like [TS]

  the autonomous car thing really breaks [TS]

  down by age with people that I find [TS]

  super interesting of like the older [TS]

  person is there always framing it in the [TS]

  idea of like oh I don't want to buy an [TS]

  autonomous car like that tends to be the [TS]

  feeling of it like I like driving i know [TS]

  i don't want to buy an autonomous car [TS]

  but then the younger the person is the [TS]

  the thought tends to flip much more of [TS]

  this idea like renting an autonomous car [TS]

  right being able to have access to an [TS]

  autonomous car and having it show up to [TS]

  them whenever whenever they need it so I [TS]

  also think that kind of thing will make [TS]

  a transition much much faster than we [TS]

  might expect because on unlike I [TS]

  phones or android phones where you have [TS]

  to manufacture one for every single [TS]

  person on the face of the earth to [TS]

  personally owned the manufacturing [TS]

  capabilities for cars is obviously much [TS]

  lower and much slower than it is for [TS]

  smartphones but i think the difference [TS]

  is a company like uber for example can [TS]

  service a lot of people with a smaller [TS]

  number of autonomous cars so I i expect [TS]

  once once these things are really on the [TS]

  road that it's going to be a relatively [TS]

  fast transition period you know and [TS]

  it'll it'll be limited entirely by [TS]

  manufacturing capability that it'll just [TS]

  be a huge economic demand and and just [TS]

  it's just a question of like how fast [TS]

  can people get them on the roads [TS]

  I think that's what it's going to be [TS]

  another thing my friend told me I've not [TS]

  actually saying this year I've just [TS]

  while you were talking I was just [TS]

  looking for a picture or video of it and [TS]

  I haven't been able to find one but [TS]

  apparently is happening and I I thought [TS]

  even you would find a quite charming [TS]

  they're trying a few autonomous small [TS]

  autonomous cars or pods in a few places [TS]

  around the UK and I think it might be a [TS]

  city called milton keynes where that [TS]

  there's no yelling at the moment and [TS]

  what's happening at the moment he was [TS]

  telling me because he wasn't sore and [TS]

  found that very amusing was these things [TS]

  obviously the moment going incredibly [TS]

  slowly and then having to explain to [TS]

  people what they are and how it's [TS]

  working at the moment is there is [TS]

  literally someone who walks in front of [TS]

  it and tells people this is an [TS]

  autonomous car you know get out the way [TS]

  and things like that and he was saying [TS]

  it's like when they when cars with this [TS]

  come around people would walk in front [TS]

  of them.more with the top with a light [TS]

  and things like that be careful [TS]

  horseless carriage is coming and [TS]

  apparently it looks just like that it's [TS]

  really really out fashion you've got [TS]

  this super high-tech care with the human [TS]

  walking in front of it clearing people [TS]

  at the way so they don't all jump in [TS]

  front of the pod [TS]

  that's fantastic that's a that's [TS]

  absolutely fantastic [TS]

  I've not seen it yet so if anyone's got [TS]

  a picture or video of that happening to [TS]

  share it because i want to say I'm not [TS]

  even going to milton keynes to see that [TS]

  where's Milton Keynes I might make a [TS]

  trip but it's not by it's not that new [TS]

  in case of fire from you it's it's not [TS]

  in London this I don't know if you get [TS]

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  Internet gray want to talk about [TS]

  football [TS]

  this is soccer football but i'm just [TS]

  gonna I'll try [TS]

  say football because that's what it is [TS]

  to me now no okay do you know what [TS]

  happened in England this season [TS]

  I mean I'm is this going to be another [TS]

  conversation Brady where I need to humor [TS]

  you for a while you can as I don't know [TS]

  what happened i didn't know there's a [TS]

  season I don't know anything about this [TS]

  i feel like we can't do like we can't [TS]

  both live in England and talk about [TS]

  stuff happening in the world and not [TS]

  talk about the most remarkable sporting [TS]

  story that has happened in a very very [TS]

  long time but it is always something [TS]

  like what didn't dent your quick thing [TS]

  wasn't your quick thing like a [TS]

  remarkable story last time they saw you [TS]

  know I know but I'm just going to say [TS]

  one thing about the the upper echelon of [TS]

  football soccer in the UK is this thing [TS]

  called the Premier League or the program [TS]

  and it's just incredibly huge industry [TS]

  me even you must know its popular around [TS]

  the world you go to Africa and [TS]

  everyone's wearing you know manchester [TS]

  united and arsenal shirt people like [TS]

  their soccer I know that so much money [TS]

  has poured into the top few clubs that [TS]

  winning this thing actually winning the [TS]

  league has become a real monopoly and [TS]

  they're only sort of a few teams a [TS]

  handful of teams that have a chance of [TS]

  winning it [TS]

  ok so let me just party there for a [TS]

  second just to clarify something yeah [TS]

  the way the team's work this is not like [TS]

  the NFL in America we know is [TS]

  unintentionally kind of social list [TS]

  where there are you distributing the [TS]

  money all of the day I'm trying to keep [TS]

  the team's even now so this is much more [TS]

  like like the National the National [TS]

  Baseball League it is more like that but [TS]

  it is more like major league baseball [TS]

  ticket sales are funding the teams so [TS]

  you can get a snowball effect go [TS]

  I'm and it is 2 i'm in the NFL the [TS]

  football in America has a draft so that [TS]

  choosing the players is shared around [TS]

  and weaker teams get preferential draft [TS]

  picks so they can strengthen their team [TS]

  and stronger teams get inferior draft [TS]

  picks so they can't because good players [TS]

  it's like settlers of catan it has an [TS]

  inbuilt hobble the leader yakked right [TS]

  and you're saying that that the soccer [TS]

  games so could you not have that soccer [TS]

  does not have that they're okay but they [TS]

  tried they tried to introduce a few [TS]

  things [TS]

  to make things fair but it doesn't work [TS]

  so the money is shared like that the [TS]

  television money is shared among the [TS]

  clubs but if your club is owned by a [TS]

  russian billionaire who liked like [TS]

  Chelsea then you have a lot more money [TS]

  you can buy better players you can buy [TS]

  the cream of the crop from all around [TS]

  the world assemble this incredible squad [TS]

  of players and pretty much guarantee [TS]

  you're going to be near the top of the [TS]

  league [TS]

  luzhou so every year the same few teams [TS]

  win the premier leg and the other teams [TS]

  fight it out for the middle places and [TS]

  the bottom places [TS]

  ok the other thing that's worth noting [TS]

  about the way soccer works that's [TS]

  different from american sport is the [TS]

  bottom in the case of the Premiership [TS]

  the bottom three teams every season if [TS]

  you finish in the bottom three you get [TS]

  kicked out of the leg and you go down to [TS]

  a lower leg some term got it [TS]

  this is a city in England called Lester [TS]

  and their their team's leicester city [TS]

  and i'm quite familiar with Lester [TS]

  because i used to live right near at up [TS]

  into Leicester millions of times i used [TS]

  to work there for the baby say they just [TS]

  got up to the Premiership the top league [TS]

  cup few seasons ago and actually last [TS]

  year as the season was drawing to an end [TS]

  they were in bottom place and they were [TS]

  certain to be relegated down to the [TS]

  lower league so their time with the big [TS]

  boys was nearly over and that amazingly [TS]

  they had a strong finish to the season [TS]

  and they just stayed up miraculously [TS]

  they got out of that bottom three and [TS]

  then managed to stay in the Premiership [TS]

  for another year [TS]

  ok this season when the bookmakers were [TS]

  doing the odds the odds of Leicester [TS]

  City winning the premiership-winning at [TS]

  all was literally five thousand to one [TS]

  of you walk into a bookmaker and gave [TS]

  them a pound you would get 5,000 pounds [TS]

  if they won the league and and [TS]

  bookmakers were happily taking the bets [TS]

  who if anyone was stupid enough to do it [TS]

  well what happened was listed city did [TS]

  win the premiership this season [TS]

  well in in one of the most remarkable [TS]

  like just all here that is plotted along [TS]

  and they kept winning and drawing and [TS]

  having a good season and i will right [TS]

  near the top and everyone was saying [TS]

  I've done so well so no drop away but [TS]

  they've done really well and they just [TS]

  never dropped away and all the big teams [TS]

  that always win everything [TS]

  most of them just had sort of mediocre [TS]

  seasons and it was just the stars align [TS]

  and these underdogs with this really [TS]

  cheap squad of players that costs a [TS]

  fraction of what [TS]

  all the other teams cost just kept [TS]

  plugging away kept winning and they want [TS]

  the whole league and that was the most [TS]

  remarkable fairytale story and let [TS]

  everyone in the country pretty much [TS]

  started supporting them and getting [TS]

  behind them but the thing that I found [TS]

  quite interesting as well who was the [TS]

  way that betting on football works now [TS]

  has changed in recent years and i don't [TS]

  know if you know about this but I've got [TS]

  this cash out option so if you bet on [TS]

  something and that thing but looks like [TS]

  it's becoming increasingly likely [TS]

  bookmakers give you this chance to cash [TS]

  out you're better at like lower odds so [TS]

  as lesson yeah [TS]

  as Lester season was continuing yeah [TS]

  yeah these like died had stupid fans [TS]

  that put like 10 pounds on Lester to win [TS]

  the league just throwing their money [TS]

  away suddenly they were sitting on like [TS]

  this incredible lottery ticket that was [TS]

  going to win them a whole stack of money [TS]

  so the bookmaker start saying well if [TS]

  you cash out now we'll catch that better [TS]

  at a hundred-to-one 1 202 one and then [TS]

  you're left with this dilemma [TS]

  so I love these Lester fans halfway [TS]

  through the season started cashing out [TS]

  these bets and then there's all [TS]

  obviously there's these stories of these [TS]

  diehard fans that waited all the way to [TS]

  the end and now get this incredible [TS]

  payday has been a fantastic story gray [TS]

  and it's one of the times that I'm said [TS]

  you're not into sport my takeaway from [TS]

  that is mostly on circling around [TS]

  well this is cashing out early thing [TS]

  they're really works for the BET makers [TS]

  favor they're not they're not doing you [TS]

  any favors for you [TS]

  with who you can catch out now right [TS]

  because if a team gets halfway through [TS]

  the season with incredibly unlikely odds [TS]

  the odds of them winning aren't not [TS]

  incredibly unlikely any more rightly [TS]

  it's changed and so of course of course [TS]

  the bookies will do anything to get you [TS]

  to reassess your bat and caching you out [TS]

  from their perspective is is the winning [TS]

  play every time that's actually it's [TS]

  it's it's it's interesting it's an [TS]

  interesting it is an interesting dilemma [TS]

  it's become a really big passport now [TS]

  even like an individual games like if [TS]

  you bet on manchester united to win five [TS]

  know which is an unlikely score [TS]

  who [TS]

  and and 17 minutes into a 90-minute game [TS]

  therefore Neil up you can cash out in [TS]

  the middle of the game like you can [TS]

  press a button on your app and so I'm [TS]

  gonna cash out and take a portion of my [TS]

  winnings because i don't think they're [TS]

  going to score that final go in the next [TS]

  20 minutes but i want i want to have a [TS]

  big win so it's become this whole and [TS]

  obviously it's all very mathematical so [TS]

  and you're right that you know the [TS]

  bookmakers are trying to incentivize you [TS]

  and what there's a lot of dynamics going [TS]

  on there you should do a number file [TS]

  video on this but I feel like my you [TS]

  know and of course what matters here [TS]

  about to have a gun tree [TS]

  about to have a gun tree [TS]

  action which if mathematics is taught as [TS]

  anything is that humans are terrible and [TS]

  statistical gut reactions right yeah but [TS]

  my gut reaction is there can't ever be [TS]

  our to phrase this that over the long [TS]

  run [TS]

  there's no winning strategy which [TS]

  involves cashing out early right that it [TS]

  seems to me like that should always be [TS]

  the statistically wrong thing to do to [TS]

  cash out early but maybe I'm wrong maybe [TS]

  there's a scenario under which that's [TS]

  not the case i'd be curious to know how [TS]

  well this is the scenario would have [TS]

  been if things went to as they should [TS]

  have been in leicester city started [TS]

  losing football games because Leicester [TS]

  City just aren't supposed to win that [TS]

  many football games so if I halfway [TS]

  through the season ever just what you're [TS]

  looking you're looking backwards in time [TS]

  now I don't mean is there a scenario [TS]

  under which if you had known the future [TS]

  you could have better i'm saying that [TS]

  halfway through any kind of sporting [TS]

  season or sporting game if you're given [TS]

  the option by a bookie to cash out [TS]

  I feel like that has to be [TS]

  definitionally the incorrect strategic [TS]

  play to make yeah I see what he's saying [TS]

  and obviously the bookmakers a [TS]

  constantly changing and adjusting odds [TS]

  to ensure the best outcome for [TS]

  themselves [TS]

  I I heard some bookmakers being [TS]

  interviewed about actually and they did [TS]

  say something interesting because [TS]

  obviously they took this tremendous hit [TS]

  on the all these lists the city friends [TS]

  even if they bet just a few pounds they [TS]

  were winning you know tens of thousands [TS]

  of pounds blues bet and I was saying to [TS]

  the bookmakers are you must be just you [TS]

  must be devastated because you're taking [TS]

  such a big hit on this on this unlikely [TS]

  outcome and they said that's true we've [TS]

  taken a big hit today because of this [TS]

  but all season [TS]

  leicester city have been winning games [TS]

  no one expected them to win and we've [TS]

  been taking money on all those games yes [TS]

  yeah I feel like that that's the case of [TS]

  people not understanding how bookmaking [TS]

  works exactly [TS]

  if you think like all these poor [TS]

  bookmakers having to pay out these big [TS]

  ones like but where do you think that [TS]

  money came from practice like that [TS]

  killed four people on the other side of [TS]

  the best at and the other thing that [TS]

  people are forgetting about this is it's [TS]

  almost become the defining attribute of [TS]

  this leicester city win has been that [TS]

  they were 5,000 to one who has become [TS]

  the thing over the media is picked up on [TS]

  that you could like that was shown what [TS]

  all she could [TS]

  get on them finding the Loch Ness [TS]

  monster or Elvis being alive and and the [TS]

  odds were always better like this was so [TS]

  unlikely that the other things were more [TS]

  likely and it's been such a story and [TS]

  documentaries about this is already [TS]

  being made in the calling that you know [TS]

  five thousand to one against the odds [TS]

  and this has become it's almost like the [TS]

  defining thing about this has become all [TS]

  around gambling and odds and I just [TS]

  think it's just publicity that the [TS]

  bookmaking industry can't buy like it's [TS]

  almost it's always become this message [TS]

  that's going out there is you should [TS]

  place bets because sometimes miracles [TS]

  happen and you end and you'll win a [TS]

  whole stack of money and it's like it's [TS]

  a really negative message actually to be [TS]

  putting out that you know they're really [TS]

  glorifying gambling this whole thing so [TS]

  I'd the bookmaker bookmakers are loving [TS]

  it so I have to ask you then I mean that [TS]

  you're saying always this is me it's an [TS]

  amazing story right [TS]

  yeah my question though is did leicester [TS]

  city have some kind of Moneyball [TS]

  strategy or was this just just the case [TS]

  of well anything that has 5,000 to one [TS]

  odds you should still at it you should [TS]

  still expect that it happens every 5,000 [TS]

  times yeah right it's like so so which [TS]

  of these things was the outcome like [TS]

  what was did they have something that [TS]

  was opaque to the bookies or is this [TS]

  just like look stuff happens sometimes [TS]

  good good teams play worse than you [TS]

  expect and bad teams play better than [TS]

  you expect just the random chance [TS]

  yeah i mean the thing that's different [TS]

  is this happens over 38 games overseas [TS]

  and normally that stuff [TS]

  anyone can we not any day but normally [TS]

  over 38 games these things to [TS]

  traditionally even out but in answer to [TS]

  your question I don't know the answer to [TS]

  your question because I disappointing [TS]

  you trying to wind me up with an amazing [TS]

  story was like oh ok a thing happened [TS]

  everyone has a theory everyone has [TS]

  different theories on why it's like it's [TS]

  like okay but it was a very at the very [TS]

  least the coaches in coming out and [TS]

  saying oh we had some incredible [TS]

  strategy that nobody's ever thought of [TS]

  that the coaches part of the story [TS]

  actually the coaches Italian guy called [TS]

  claudio ranieri and this was his first [TS]

  season as coach he's probably getting [TS]

  the lion's share of the credit for [TS]

  having brought these disparate group of [TS]

  men together and man manage them that [TS]

  were classic kind of bad news bears [TS]

  rejects him and he's been credited with [TS]

  forming them into this sort of bed [TS]

  two brothers that would die for each [TS]

  other and and sort of turn them into [TS]

  this unit on the on the field so it's [TS]

  made the season really wonderful and so [TS]

  many people on Twitter and social media [TS]

  so you've got to talk to grab at [TS]

  leicester city and I was sort of racking [TS]

  my brains thinking what can i say to you [TS]

  about it and I didn't think the gambling [TS]

  was broken catching up [TS]

  that's was probably the only could find [TS]

  was that there was there is by far and [TS]

  away the connectivity of entry [TS]

  especially because you don't have for me [TS]

  an example like oh the Oakland A's won [TS]

  20 games in a row because they were [TS]

  using this interesting technology to do [TS]

  it is like maybe a thing just happened [TS]

  by random I mean every like at you you [TS]

  ask you know you ask different people [TS]

  and they'll have their theory sport is [TS]

  very polarizing like that some people [TS]

  will bring it down to tactics and other [TS]

  people will say it's because of other [TS]

  people say it's because they've they [TS]

  were drinking beetroot juice and you [TS]

  anything else after sprouts yeah but [TS]

  look at everybody has their own theory [TS]

  because most people don't know anything [TS]

  like that you know again it's like the [TS]

  statistics of it tho show you a lot [TS]

  about how these games or click you can [TS]

  make statistical predictions about games [TS]

  i think the thing about a statistical [TS]

  prediction like one and five thousand is [TS]

  again people don't understand that it [TS]

  doesn't mean that it's impossible [TS]

  like it's a thing that should happen but [TS]

  incredibly rarely like maybe 1 in 5,000 [TS]

  times if a 1 in 5,000 event never [TS]

  occurred that would be weird right that [TS]

  would mean something was wrong with your [TS]

  your predictions over the over the long [TS]

  run but it shouldn't have happened in my [TS]

  lifetime [TS]

  shut up because that because the chance [TS]

  of my 60 70 80 years on earth [TS]

  folding in that 5,000 years were pretty [TS]

  unlikely but see now this is exactly why [TS]

  it's a special and exciting game for you [TS]

  braid exactly because for your lifetime [TS]

  this statistically rare thing has [TS]

  occurred in his pathetic isn't that [TS]

  exciting for you so as successors when [TS]

  you and I are point our successes to [TS]

  take over how the internet into the next [TS]

  generation looks like they're not going [TS]

  to get to talk about this is just as [TS]

  successors yeah well when we retire and [TS]

  we're going to hand over the reins to [TS]

  like a young two are they you know [TS]

  younger people to young dudes talking to [TS]

  take over at some point isn't that like [TS]

  when that happened I had TV shows you [TS]

  know you presenters come on and stuff [TS]

  eventually we're going to have to hand [TS]

  over the reins [TS]

  no no it's ours where we burn it to the [TS]

  ground [TS]

  that's that's how did they rate gambling [TS]

  for me is this funny topic where my [TS]

  interest in gambling is shockingly high [TS]

  like I find it a very very interesting [TS]

  very very engaging subject but my [TS]

  participation and it is basically zero [TS]

  like it was essentially never actually [TS]

  put down money on anything I got hit [TS]

  just have no interest in doing it but [TS]

  it's like once again like I'm country [TS]

  going to Las Vegas probably the summer [TS]

  is like I'm going to be hypnotized by [TS]

  all of the gambling that takes place i'm [TS]

  gonna be super interested in the casinos [TS]

  and like all of the sports betting and [TS]

  all of that kind of stuff like I totally [TS]

  love it but i also just have zero [TS]

  interest and actually when you say that [TS]

  like i should be surprised where is [TS]

  that's like the most predictable thing [TS]

  in the world because I you're like you [TS]

  know you're interested in sort of [TS]

  mathematics and economics and and things [TS]

  land probabilities but bae i mean if you [TS]

  looked up risk-averse in the dictionary [TS]

  I reckon it would be a photo of you [TS]

  that's everyone's at risk aversion [TS]

  towards the career you are the most risk [TS]

  averse person i know but i don't think [TS]

  you can imagine no you don't understand [TS]

  I i have time internal calculations [TS]

  about what risks i am and I'm not [TS]

  willing to take but like I don't think [TS]

  leaving a teaching career for YouTube [TS]

  was risk-averse by definition it was a [TS]

  calculated risk [TS]

  I it was not yet you did not you did not [TS]

  quit your job as a teacher until you [TS]

  were very successful on YouTube you are [TS]

  like your monkey that will not let go of [TS]

  one vine until he's got his hand on the [TS]

  other 50 yeah yeah it's not so don't [TS]

  like that so don't tell me like you you [TS]

  know you took some crazy risk and quit [TS]

  your job and inside or out what now [TS]

  ok I'll try youtube you will like you or [TS]

  you can download google bit better just [TS]

  be the doc told me you took a risk you [TS]

  did not take a risk you don't like you [TS]

  you can't argue that youtubing is a a [TS]

  more secure career than teaching if I [TS]

  was purely risk-averse I wouldn't be [TS]

  doing YouTube now I don't think you can [TS]

  be purely risk-averse you are highly [TS]

  risky office [TS]

  I mean you can't you like you have an [TS]

  aversion to it but you know everything [TS]

  is a risk so but i think it was a very [TS]

  low-risk option you took yeah that's [TS]

  exactly what i want to make everything a [TS]

  low-risk possible that's not a new [TS]

  version i think it is risk aversion can [TS]

  I think oh I think always taking [TS]

  low-risk options and never taking [TS]

  high-risk options is what risk aversion [TS]

  means i don't know like when you take [TS]

  risks you want the downside to possibly [TS]

  be low right like doing the podcast in [TS]

  some sense was like a risky thing it [TS]

  could have gone badly but you know for [TS]

  the downside would have been relatively [TS]

  low if it hadn't worked out that that's [TS]

  the kind of gamble i like to take that's [TS]

  not risk what we're risking by starting [TS]

  a podcast professional embarrassments [TS]

  that's the kind of thing you're risking [TS]

  yeah a little bit yeah that's exactly [TS]

  what that's exactly it i want the [TS]

  downside to be super low like what am i [TS]

  what am I putting on the the table here [TS]

  i'm putting some time i'm putting [TS]

  professional embarrassment and what's [TS]

  the what's the potential upside like Oh [TS]

  two years later still doing a podcast [TS]

  because it's working out now we can get [TS]

  into talk to Brady once a fortnight [TS]

  that's like ultimate reward yes that is [TS]

  the ultimate reward that's that's what I [TS]

  was gambling for if only i could talk to [TS]

  someone more so I wonder if a bookmaker [TS]

  came up to you and said gray he's like a [TS]

  suitcase of cash if you you can take [TS]

  this right now but you can never do [TS]

  another hello and today you're gonna [TS]

  cash out [TS]

  it depends on how big the suitcase of [TS]

  caches like it but I can do I could do [TS]

  like that the red like I would do the [TS]

  estimated income for like the next 10 [TS]

  years on the podcast versus how much [TS]

  money is sitting in front of me now and [TS]

  then like what's the probability that [TS]

  the podcast last for more than 10 years [TS]

  like it's not a hundred percent of that [TS]

  is going to looks like there's some pile [TS]

  of money which is walk away from hello [TS]

  Internet pile of money that's that [TS]

  that's how you make decisions so you you [TS]

  do put a dollar figure on leaving me and [TS]

  the code we will be working out in the [TS]

  cold aren't you getting some of this [TS]

  money or ok [TS]

  oh no it's good i thought yeah I didn't [TS]

  think of that yeah my work out well [TS]

  actually yes I always do you think I'm [TS]

  just taking his money for me [TS]

  well maybe burning you professionally [TS]

  would have some kind of cost and that [TS]

  suitcase has to cover that God's record [TS]

  of like [TS]

  let me just loving spends on Brady to [TS]

  keep them happy [TS]

  it's gonna pay off Brady yeah exactly [TS]

  it's let's let our forgot to pay off [TS]

  Brady is his house burns down [TS]

  that's right you know they don't want to [TS]

  ensure that kindness and how do you make [TS]

  decisions what you just look in the sky [TS]

  and think about stuff for a second [TS]

  a butterfly passes by and then you just [TS]

  run with your gut on it is that how you [TS]

  decide things [TS]

  no I don't think I'm I'm a massive risk [TS]

  taker but but i will get in a plane to [TS]

  look like they're stripped see Mount [TS]

  Everest aware that those planes crash a [TS]

  lot right cause I because I think all [TS]

  right I might die but i want to see [TS]

  Mount Everest so I'm gonna get that line [TS]

  I think I take probably slightly more [TS]

  risks bond up biggest tiger either [TS]

  I mean nothing nothing's are risking [TS]

  yours has nails because you have proof [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  yes here we go here we go right of [TS]

  course and they have plane crashes you [TS]

  just get a white knuckle your way [TS]

  through it aren't you buddy I'm gonna be [TS]

  what plane crash so that was a rough [TS]

  landing [TS]

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  of a news hound I am and that I just had [TS]

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  on skype with my parents the other day [TS]

  yeah and my dad asked me he goes so what [TS]

  do you think about this this election [TS]

  for the mayor of london and I said what [TS]

  are you talking about i found out on the [TS]

  day of the London election for mayor [TS]

  that there was an election for mayor my [TS]

  father living in North Carolina that's [TS]

  not much of a news and I am and he [TS]

  didn't fight for new mayor then [TS]

  presumably i was busy that day [TS]

  can I don't actually for a person who [TS]

  makes a person who makes videos about [TS]

  elections I have rarely voted but [TS]

  there's a there is a big national [TS]

  election coming up so with this is the [TS]

  election for the UK to decide whether or [TS]

  not is going to stay as a member of the [TS]

  European Union part of the big [TS]

  conglomerate of European nations [TS]

  together or it's going to go freestyle [TS]

  and break off on its own and be totally [TS]

  independent bricks that they call it a [TS]

  night [TS]

  you have to have a catchy name for these [TS]

  things what they call staying that makes [TS]

  call up staying today or their breaks in [TS]

  i think they call it braixen it's [TS]

  getting quite passionate the u.s. [TS]

  President was over here recently and he [TS]

  he put his oar in the water quite [TS]

  significantly which got people all riled [TS]

  up [TS]

  yeah that guy's I've never sure if that [TS]

  is helpful or hurtful if a foreign [TS]

  leader comes to your country and tells [TS]

  you what [TS]

  to do i'm not sure that that that like [TS]

  helps your side right i think that [TS]

  people have a naturally contradictory [TS]

  reaction to that [TS]

  yeah don't you tell me what to do so for [TS]

  for people who don't know that the Prime [TS]

  Minister David Cameron he wants us to [TS]

  stay in the european union and so when [TS]

  Barrack Obama came to town he sort of [TS]

  did a favor for his mate barrack obama [TS]

  came out and made some public statements [TS]

  saying that it would be in Britain's [TS]

  best interests to stay in he was almost [TS]

  a bit threatening about it too he sort [TS]

  of said if you if you leave the European [TS]

  Union's you're going to go to sort of [TS]

  the bottom of the list for trade [TS]

  negotiations with the u.s. that really [TS]

  polarized people that really energized [TS]

  the brakes of people in my opinion he [TS]

  it's all going on but I mean the thing I [TS]

  mean forget Barrack Obama the thing that [TS]

  people really want to know is what to [TS]

  cgpgrey think Britain should do [TS]

  yes I'm sure that that's that's what the [TS]

  people want to know yeah yeah so I [TS]

  almost don't want to even discuss this [TS]

  topic but I put myself on the hook for [TS]

  it like a fool [TS]

  several podcast episodes ago when i made [TS]

  the casual offhand remark about like oh [TS]

  yeah i'm probably going to do a video on [TS]

  on the UK EU referendum almost as soon [TS]

  as that episode was live i seriously [TS]

  regretted having ever even said that not [TS]

  because people have been asking me for [TS]

  who went that video coming up like we [TS]

  want to know like there's going to be a [TS]

  vote soon and i did a bunch of research [TS]

  on the topic you know right after record [TS]

  that episode and before it went up and I [TS]

  came to this strange conclusion that [TS]

  there is no video to be done on this [TS]

  topic like I don't know if you ever if [TS]

  you ever come across this when when [TS]

  you're making videos I mean you're [TS]

  you're more like editing things that [TS]

  other people are saying so you have like [TS]

  a topic that already exists but even [TS]

  though i am i'm going to assume that [TS]

  this has been in the news quite a lot [TS]

  from from what you're saying like I [TS]

  haven't been following any of those [TS]

  details when i sat down and thought like [TS]

  okay I'm going to make a video talking [TS]

  about this it just kept feeling like [TS]

  like trying to get a handle on a cloud [TS]

  like there's almost yeah almost nothing [TS]

  to be discussed here [TS]

  do you know what I mean like I kind of a [TS]

  kind of do i mean i don't agree that [TS]

  there's nothing to be discussed but it's [TS]

  so big and so complicated and so [TS]

  convoluted that when you said you were [TS]

  considering a video i look forward to [TS]

  and I who make it but I did wonder how [TS]

  you were going to get to the bottom of [TS]

  some of these things because it's such a [TS]

  bloody mess [TS]

  mmm the relationship between Britain and [TS]

  the European Union it's so complicated [TS]

  and you just don't know what's true and [TS]

  what's not true and you hear such [TS]

  contradictory information that i [TS]

  wouldn't know where one would start or [TS]

  where you would have started so if [TS]

  you're about to say you're not making it [TS]

  which it sounds like you are [TS]

  I'm I'm not surprised at all because i [TS]

  think it was too difficult [TS]

  ok so let me let me give you an example [TS]

  of of what I mean for the kind of video [TS]

  that i like to make I feel like there [TS]

  was nothing here to discuss and so [TS]

  crystal clear example when I did the [TS]

  think it was in my in Texas leave [TS]

  America video I think this is where i [TS]

  mentioned this you can because of the [TS]

  relationship that the united states [TS]

  federal government has with the state [TS]

  government's you can pretty cleanly drop [TS]

  a list of which states pay more to the [TS]

  federal government and which states [TS]

  payless the federal government like [TS]

  which states are economic net [TS]

  contributors to the Union and which [TS]

  states are economic net debtors to the [TS]

  Union and so I i tried to kind of look [TS]

  for this for something with the UK and [TS]

  the EU there's no real answer here and [TS]

  as far as i can tell everybody who's [TS]

  trying to come up with an answer of good [TS]

  kids like you know that the news loves [TS]

  this kind of stuff was like every [TS]

  citizen of the United Kingdom pays 30 [TS]

  pounds a year as a result of our being [TS]

  in the EU right like people love [TS]

  statements like that right it seems like [TS]

  every election always gets turned into a [TS]

  how much money is X person going to gain [TS]

  or do they pay from being part of a [TS]

  group that seems to be what the [TS]

  elections always turn turn into the the [TS]

  economic relationship [TS]

  between the member countries and the [TS]

  European Union I think nobody knows the [TS]

  answer to this you immediately start [TS]

  having to get into these questions which [TS]

  have answers but that I think nobody [TS]

  knows how much extra business does the [TS]

  United Kingdom do with the European [TS]

  Union as a result of being a member of [TS]

  the European Union yeah there's a [TS]

  there's a number it is not like it's on [TS]

  answerable like there is a number that [TS]

  you could measure in pounds to that [TS]

  question but i don't think any human can [TS]

  calculate that number and when I was [TS]

  digging around like as far as I could [TS]

  tell all of the groups that were [TS]

  claiming to come up with numbers is like [TS]

  yeah but what I'm looking at your [TS]

  assumptions that you just have a lot of [TS]

  assumptions that are kind of being taken [TS]

  on faith if we assume this and if we [TS]

  assume that it's like okay well all i [TS]

  have to do is modify my starting [TS]

  assumptions and then I can kind of come [TS]

  up with any number that i want [TS]

  yeah and and the other problems are not [TS]

  only are these things really complicated [TS]

  like but there's also so much intangible [TS]

  stuff that is impossible to value and [TS]

  there's also so many what-ifs and don't [TS]

  knows as you know like like if we leave [TS]

  we still be allowed to do this we no [TS]

  longer allowed to do this [TS]

  could we renegotiate that there's like [TS]

  so much negotiating to be done [TS]

  afterwards that is clouded in mystery [TS]

  it's probably unsurprising that a lot of [TS]

  the discussions I've been having in [TS]

  regard to this have been with scientists [TS]

  and concentrate just on the science side [TS]

  of being in your opinion even that one [TS]

  small niche is completely baffling and [TS]

  complicated obviously written pays in [TS]

  lots of subscriptions to be parts of [TS]

  lots of collaborations and puts lots of [TS]

  money into pots grounds which are then [TS]

  redistributed around Europe and a whole [TS]

  bunch of that's flows back into Britain [TS]

  are we gathering that contributors or [TS]

  net losses from that but then there's [TS]

  all these complicated collaborations [TS]

  this things that you're allowed to be [TS]

  involved in because you're part of the [TS]

  European right but you're allowed to use [TS]

  like you know II so an isa you know [TS]

  telescopes and space things will Britain [TS]

  still be part of that will we get kicked [TS]

  out of that we have to renegotiate our [TS]

  way into there [TS]

  we know that there's all these things [TS]

  that are really that really and known as [TS]

  a spin it i wish i could no more of the [TS]

  answers before I invited but no one [TS]

  seems to have them this is a little bit [TS]

  like the scottish national referendum on [TS]

  larger scale [TS]

  yeah and when we discussed that [TS]

  referendum we touched on the same thing [TS]

  that so much of it is a but what happens [TS]

  after right like that that's what you [TS]

  want to know and that's what you can't [TS]

  now [TS]

  so for me when I was initially trying to [TS]

  research and write this video this [TS]

  particular point is the thing that [TS]

  killed the video dead for me when I was [TS]

  thinking through about like okay what [TS]

  can I do [TS]

  whatwhat video is there to make here but [TS]

  it but it was realizing like okay let's [TS]

  imagine in the future that the brexit [TS]

  happens that the people vote to leave [TS]

  and the United Kingdom government then [TS]

  because this is a non-binding resolution [TS]

  by the way I think you could cover man [TS]

  couldn't there you go like we're not [TS]

  going to leave right it's not actually [TS]

  binding but but let's assume that the [TS]

  government that makes motions to leave [TS]

  looking through people's arguments and [TS]

  what people are are discussing about the [TS]

  election it's all based on assumptions [TS]

  of what the united kingdom will or won't [TS]

  do after leaving and I think that the [TS]

  clearest example for this the biggest [TS]

  hot-button issue in this election has to [TS]

  do with migration largely right and and [TS]

  about people moving into the United [TS]

  Kingdom like this it there's this whole [TS]

  big thing short version for people [TS]

  outside of the European Union is that if [TS]

  you become a citizen of any european [TS]

  union state you can live anywhere within [TS]

  the European Union that includes the [TS]

  united kingdom and the hot-button issue [TS]

  is that it means that countries that are [TS]

  more relaxed with their immigration the [TS]

  United Kingdom might disagree with who [TS]

  they're letting in but like the United [TS]

  Kingdom can't tell germany who is going [TS]

  to come in as an immigrant for example [TS]

  and so it's like okay [TS]

  the country's can disagree on [TS]

  immigration in this way where it's like [TS]

  Germany's immigration policies can [TS]

  affect the United Kingdom and so right [TS]

  that [TS]

  it's like one of the big issues here and [TS]

  so it's like okay well if I was going to [TS]

  try to write something about that you [TS]

  realize like oh ok if you if you're if [TS]

  that's like a big issue for you if you [TS]

  if it's important to you to limit [TS]

  immigration [TS]

  well the e referendum thing doesn't [TS]

  actually address your problem in anyway [TS]

  because if the UK leaves and then in a [TS]

  few years for some reason there's a [TS]

  government changeover in the UK like the [TS]

  party switch or somebody else gets [TS]

  elected the UK could just change the [TS]

  laws again by the the the UK could [TS]

  decide in 10 years and we're just gonna [TS]

  have an open-door immigration policy [TS]

  right like the theory of a grey the [TS]

  argument the argument against n is at [TS]

  least as the UK deciding ok it's a [TS]

  different party and it might be a [TS]

  different decision but the people who [TS]

  are saying you know sovereigns over in [TS]

  UK so everything that doesn't matter [TS]

  great what matters is that it's the UK [TS]

  government deciding and sure we can [TS]

  change your mind but that should be our [TS]

  decision not the people in Brussels I am [TS]

  NOT disagreeing with that point I'm just [TS]

  simply saying that like I kept finding [TS]

  this weird thing that like the issues [TS]

  that people seem to be interested and [TS]

  focused on are almost unrelated to the [TS]

  actual referendum that's occurring right [TS]

  where it's like okay what's going to [TS]

  happen without a great i don't agree [TS]

  with you great i i i think i do agree [TS]

  with you online [TS]

  probably probably to agree with you on [TS]

  the underlying things but the at the [TS]

  argument here is yet you're right it's [TS]

  the people don't care about you know a [TS]

  lot of the fine details of how your [TS]

  opinion works you know how you [TS]

  essentially nobody cares right like to a [TS]

  first approximation no one what this [TS]

  argument boils down to 0 is the pic is [TS]

  the argument being used by the bricks at [TS]

  people√≠s you should be our decision [TS]

  right like whatever the whatever you are [TS]

  whatever your the bee in your bonnet is [TS]

  whether it's immigration whoever it [TS]

  whether it's farming whether its tariffs [TS]

  whether it's whatever whatever but [TS]

  whether it's the price of carrots [TS]

  it doesn't matter their argument is if [TS]

  it's in Britain it should be Britain's [TS]

  decision and we're sick of a whole bunch [TS]

  of people from other countries making [TS]

  decisions about our laws there and [TS]

  they use this big sovereignty argument [TS]

  they say we're sick to death of people [TS]

  who aren't British you are living in [TS]

  Britain deciding the rules in Britain [TS]

  and that's the drum that's the drum [TS]

  they're beating and whatever their [TS]

  motives are and some people say a lot of [TS]

  people will say it's racially motivated [TS]

  other people will say it's it's a deep [TS]

  abiding belief and sovereignty that is [TS]

  you know in their core and other [TS]

  people's you know whatever I didn't want [TS]

  to make that's what it's about it's not [TS]

  about so yes immigration might be [TS]

  driving it or terrorists might be [TS]

  driving or trade or business or science [TS]

  or whatever is driving it that the [TS]

  argument that's being used is who makes [TS]

  the decisions i completely agree with [TS]

  what you're saying there and when I was [TS]

  trying to think about this [TS]

  I realize because of this idea that ok [TS]

  countries can change don't change laws [TS]

  to be whatever they want like the UK [TS]

  leaves it can do whatever the heck it [TS]

  ones right or there's this question of [TS]

  being in the peon union and being to [TS]

  some extent constrained by decisions of [TS]

  the European Union ultimately what's [TS]

  happening i think in voters minds is [TS]

  this whole election is really just a [TS]

  question of do you trust the european [TS]

  union or do you not trust the European [TS]

  Union i think in people's minds that is [TS]

  what's occurring i am convinced that in [TS]

  elections people like to think of [TS]

  themselves as looking at the issues and [TS]

  making some kind of decision but I don't [TS]

  think that's really what happens i think [TS]

  in all kinds of Elections people are [TS]

  reacting on an emotional level to some [TS]

  kind of fundamental thing [TS]

  yeah and in in this election i think [TS]

  that thing is an idea about trust of the [TS]

  european union or not [TS]

  yeah now cause like I think like [TS]

  everybody does like I feel like I'm some [TS]

  kind of exception to this because I [TS]

  don't feel when i think about this this [TS]

  election like I don't think that I'm [TS]

  thinking of it and this this trust level [TS]

  but of course everybody imagines there [TS]

  an exception to the rule and like still [TS]

  in aggregate this thing occurs [TS]

  yeah but so that's partly why when I was [TS]

  sitting down and trying to [TS]

  right out something about a video on [TS]

  this I realize like okay well there's [TS]

  kind of nothing to talk about here [TS]

  because if i if I'm trying to make a [TS]

  video that's like cutting down the [TS]

  middle if the core of this election is a [TS]

  question about trusting the EU or [TS]

  trusting the UK over the EU it is [TS]

  there's there's no numbers that i can [TS]

  draw upon that I think are meaningful in [TS]

  terms of what is the actual financial [TS]

  benefit or return on investment and then [TS]

  there's kind of nothing to talk about [TS]

  because if i want to talk about why the [TS]

  European Union is bad like let's say I [TS]

  want to talk about all of the stuff [TS]

  about the undemocratic nature of the [TS]

  European Union is like well that's [TS]

  really a question about do you trust [TS]

  that the european union will be able to [TS]

  reform itself to be more democratic in [TS]

  the future or not or do you trust that [TS]

  an independent United Kingdom will be [TS]

  able to make all of the best decisions [TS]

  for itself and we'll be able to manage [TS]

  itself on the world stage without the [TS]

  backing of the European Union like who [TS]

  do you trust more like this you don't [TS]

  mean like there's nothing concrete here [TS]

  is video is dead in the ground and [TS]

  buried I'm not going to do it [TS]

  we're talking about here because [TS]

  otherwise people will nag me forever but [TS]

  that's that's kind of my feeling about [TS]

  this i mean no other I don't know what [TS]

  this video would look like the video i [TS]

  would like to the same from you would [TS]

  have been what the current state of [TS]

  players now this is the this is how the [TS]

  deal works Britain can do this they [TS]

  can't do that they've got this trade [TS]

  deal they negotiate with these people in [TS]

  this way these people in that way i [TS]

  would like to have seen a video the [TS]

  video i would like to have seen is not [TS]

  about you know trust and politics and [TS]

  that it would have been about what does [TS]

  it actually mean to be in the EU and [TS]

  what does it mean to be out of the e [TS]

  things like you know at the moment our [TS]

  negotiations with the united states have [TS]

  done through the EU you know is it's an [TS]

  EU trade agreement that's hasn't [TS]

  actually been negotiated it's been it's [TS]

  been in negotiations for years but they [TS]

  say it's nearly finished if if Britain [TS]

  leaves the EU we're not part of that [TS]

  deal anymore and we've got to do our own [TS]

  deal with the United States on trade [TS]

  little things like things like that i [TS]

  think would be helpful to to see explain [TS]

  because I think a lot of people don't [TS]

  realize that but also it's really boring [TS]

  like trade agreements are really boring [TS]

  to be clear I'm not saying that i was [TS]

  going to be making a video about who do [TS]

  you trust more i'm just saying like that [TS]

  that was what I was coming to the [TS]

  conclusion up is that there's very [TS]

  little to talk about [TS]

  yeah yeah like my original idea was [TS]

  talking about like what what is the [TS]

  current state of play like for example [TS]

  there's this idea about like does the UK [TS]

  have a veto over some matters in the EU [TS]

  I think this thing kind of comes up and [TS]

  it's you know where these things like it [TS]

  turns out is more complicated than a [TS]

  straight up answer but all I could [TS]

  ultimately talk about is what does it [TS]

  mean to be in the european union now [TS]

  like what are some of the mechanics of [TS]

  this but I i think that that kind of [TS]

  video is not really relevant for the [TS]

  vast majority of people like most people [TS]

  just don't care like I said people over [TS]

  imagine themselves as informed voters [TS]

  when I don't think they are but also [TS]

  like when I was trying when I was trying [TS]

  to write out some of that stuff it just [TS]

  it felt weird because I couldn't talk [TS]

  about what it would be like to be [TS]

  outside the european union because that [TS]

  that is the like endless series of what [TS]

  ifs what will it be like for the United [TS]

  Kingdom to negotiate its own trade [TS]

  agreements who knows is that a big [TS]

  what-if grow there are plenty of [TS]

  countries that are not in the european [TS]

  union could you not just look to them [TS]

  about how does China negotiate with [TS]

  other people how does India work how [TS]

  does Australia you know there are lots [TS]

  of countries that are not in the way you [TS]

  could look to as examples and how do [TS]

  they get by in the world because that is [TS]

  something that a lot of people zoe [TS]

  britton should stay there you because [TS]

  you know there's safety and parent [TS]

  numbers and then a lot of other people [TS]

  say well strategy does what doing quite [TS]

  nicely em and they're not part of the EU [TS]

  and they they negotiate with America and [TS]

  they have trade agreements in place and [TS]

  they do this and they do that they don't [TS]

  have people in Brussels telling them [TS]

  what their law should be i'm not saying [TS]

  that's the best I'm not saying you know [TS]

  that's what you should do but lots of [TS]

  countries exist that in the EU so it's [TS]

  not that it's not this massive unknown [TS]

  from Mars that no one could possibly [TS]

  predict there are lots of countries that [TS]

  do it so i couldn't have looked to them [TS]

  yes there are lots of places that [TS]

  negotiate with the united states that do [TS]

  these kind of trade agreements but even [TS]

  looking at some of that stuff it quickly [TS]

  becomes a question of cherry-picking [TS]

  like what [TS]

  when you're assembling a video like this [TS]

  it's easy to fall into a trap of picking [TS]

  examples that you like I I just think [TS]

  it's dangerous to try to pick some [TS]

  particular country and say like oh the [TS]

  UK will end up like X it will end up [TS]

  like Australia will it i don't know like [TS]

  that depends a lot on how the UK wants [TS]

  to negotiate trade agreements it depends [TS]

  on so many things that i don't think [TS]

  it's an easy not even an easy question i [TS]

  don't think it's a really noble question [TS]

  to answer i will the United States and [TS]

  the UK still do trade agreements sure [TS]

  i'm sure they will but I don't know if [TS]

  there's any way to say would that be [TS]

  better or worse than with the EU i think [TS]

  i think it just it it still just comes [TS]

  down to this [TS]

  this speculation in fog of picking [TS]

  examples that then end up just betraying [TS]

  what you're trying to push behind a [TS]

  video instead of doing a video was like [TS]

  here's a neutral take on a thing i found [TS]

  in just a very kind of frustrating thing [TS]

  to try to do and and that has partly why [TS]

  i like it's it's it's not going to [TS]

  happen even though like I think it's [TS]

  it's obviously it's an important vote [TS]

  that people are going to do like it's a [TS]

  big deal [TS]

  it'll be a big deal if the United [TS]

  Kingdom leaves it'll be really [TS]

  interesting that the United Kingdom [TS]

  votes to stay I like looking at it right [TS]

  now the the the opinion polls are [TS]

  actually quite close about about staying [TS]

  or about leaving with a pretty decent [TS]

  number of of undecideds there's also a [TS]

  strong feeling though that in opinion [TS]

  polls you know that's just a random [TS]

  sampling but the bricks at people the [TS]

  people who have more energized and [TS]

  actually are likely to go out and vote [TS]

  in a voluntary vote where is the stay [TS]

  people might be more apathetic so the [TS]

  opinion polls might be a bit skewed in [TS]

  that way and breaks it might be doing [TS]

  better than it looks [TS]

  yeah that that's kind of my gut feeling [TS]

  as well [TS]

  is is that the brexit side is almost by [TS]

  definition the more energetic side and [TS]

  they're also therefore also the more [TS]

  likely to go out and vote side whereas [TS]

  team status quo is also much more likely [TS]

  to not vote you know I don't know what [TS]

  do you think great you have a position [TS]

  do you mean which way am I going to vote [TS]

  is that what you mean yeah what have you [TS]

  got that and you said yeah but why are [TS]

  you gonna fight ye style guy [TS]

  well what about You Brady you want you [TS]

  move first in this chess game if I if [TS]

  the election was today little I would [TS]

  fight to stay [TS]

  why would you vote to stay of all the [TS]

  interactions in my life and all the [TS]

  things that happen for me professionally [TS]

  and personally I feel like I benefit [TS]

  more from being in the EU I travel in [TS]

  Europe a lot i do black work in Europe [TS]

  em so I i also think I also think of [TS]

  being part of a bigger community is is [TS]

  better i have a real you no interest in [TS]

  science and an allegiance to science and [TS]

  research and I think I think science is [TS]

  better served by being in the EU as well [TS]

  and certainly the scientists I've spoken [TS]

  to think that as well I don't know where [TS]

  the sciences as divided on the issue as [TS]

  the rest of the community but I haven't [TS]

  got that feeling [TS]

  who and I don't know and also just like [TS]

  the people who the people in positions [TS]

  of authority or with opinions who I [TS]

  value more of them seem to want to stay [TS]

  and of the people who i think are a bit [TS]

  fringe in a bit bonkers they they they [TS]

  seem to be the people who most [TS]

  passionately advocate leaving and that's [TS]

  that's not entirely good reason [TS]

  you know that's not entirely good basis [TS]

  to make a decision on but it does [TS]

  contribute you know you can only you [TS]

  know you've got people in in public life [TS]

  who you respect and people who you [TS]

  respect less and if all the people you [TS]

  respect to saying one thing and all the [TS]

  people you respect this are saying the [TS]

  other that's it that's a clue at least [TS]

  so you're saying that the the pro brexit [TS]

  people there's an uncommon number of hat [TS]

  wearers in that group is that what [TS]

  you're saying yeah that's right yeah [TS]

  there's a lot of top hats but maybe you [TS]

  know i'm mad but but don't let me say I [TS]

  do sometimes here brakes and people [TS]

  speak and they make they make some good [TS]

  points [TS]

  some of them are persuasive and that's [TS]

  not election day and maybe something [TS]

  will be said or something will happen [TS]

  that will change my mind i'm i'm not you [TS]

  know I don't feel like I'm nailed on em [TS]

  but when it was first announced I was [TS]

  stay and nothing has moved me out of [TS]

  that yet land and I'd I i imagine it [TS]

  won't lie i'm open to it [TS]

  what about you it's what I'll say is it [TS]

  when it first came out I was on the [TS]

  stage a side right stay in the European [TS]

  Union yeah and so I did a bunch of [TS]

  research and one of the things that I [TS]

  always I always try to do with this [TS]

  stuff you know like we mentioned before [TS]

  it's very easy to like you most of the [TS]

  people i know in my life people whose [TS]

  opinions i respect our pro staying and [TS]

  the side effect of that is that you very [TS]

  often hear the opposing opinions [TS]

  filtered through the person who thinks [TS]

  that those opinions are done and so it's [TS]

  easy to end up with this again like this [TS]

  infuriating totem this imaginary idea of [TS]

  what the other side is saying so i spent [TS]

  a while trying to find people arguing [TS]

  for breakfast it in their own words [TS]

  unmodified like giving speeches or [TS]

  reading articles from people who were [TS]

  pro brexit like let me see this first [TS]

  hand as opposed to hearing it filtered [TS]

  through someone else and and as always [TS]

  with these cases it's like I don't [TS]

  necessarily agree with these people but [TS]

  I i have almost never had a case yet of [TS]

  looking at someone who I think are here [TS]

  is crazy reading their stuff we're [TS]

  hearing their stuff firsthand and [TS]

  thinking there's still kind of crazy [TS]

  maybe or i don't agree with them [TS]

  they're way less crazy than they're [TS]

  portrayed as the end in some ways with [TS]

  the UK with the brexit stuff i had this [TS]

  interesting feeling of like ok these [TS]

  arguments are not is crazy as I thought [TS]

  they were [TS]

  hmm i still don't necessarily agree with [TS]

  them but i do think like some some of [TS]

  the ideas about sort of like what you [TS]

  were saying before the ideas about [TS]

  national sovereignty about making your [TS]

  own decisions right like this kind like [TS]

  they're there is some amount of [TS]

  residence with that the this idea of of [TS]

  the sovereignty of a nation and like it [TS]

  okay that's why they keep bringing it up [TS]

  because yeah it's such a smart you know [TS]

  that's a smart move because that's what [TS]

  that does charming everyone doesn't get [TS]

  I think Buster's your destiny [TS]

  yeah who likes the idea of somebody else [TS]

  telling you what to do [TS]

  nobody right nobody's pro somebody else [TS]

  tell me what to do they don't like that [TS]

  so it was always reading through a bunch [TS]

  of stuff the the end result is like I [TS]

  will still vote to stay in the European [TS]

  Union i still think that that's that the [TS]

  correct choice but I feel somewhat [TS]

  softer in that opinion that I was before [TS]

  like I have I have not moved i have not [TS]

  changed my opinion but but the strength [TS]

  of my opinion has slightly softened from [TS]

  that and it's also just decided that I'd [TS]

  like man is the European Union like such [TS]

  a beast [TS]

  you know I i have this huge pile of [TS]

  notes on how the european union [TS]

  government actually works has like oh my [TS]

  god you know the the sort of the joke [TS]

  that the european union could not be a [TS]

  member of the european union because it [TS]

  is not democratic enough and it's like [TS]

  there is a lot of truth to that [TS]

  like if there was a tiny country that [TS]

  ran a government the way the European [TS]

  Union does you can see the European [TS]

  Union objecting that like your [TS]

  government is not very democratic but [TS]

  like you can like you have this weird [TS]

  weird situation so that's that's that's [TS]

  sort of my end result I I still feel [TS]

  like i would i would vote to stay my [TS]

  position has been softened slightly but [TS]

  i'm also been weird position that like [TS]

  so you are you are voting for staying [TS]

  out of the self-interest of the science [TS]

  like science and the science community [TS]

  and the benefits that are are aggregated [TS]

  from that and I I because like I'm not [TS]

  British right like I'm just a person [TS]

  living here you know that's me to [TS]

  remember the leg in some ways the this [TS]

  idea about like British sovereignty is [TS]

  is like a theoretical game to play like [TS]

  okay whatever like I'm not British it [TS]

  doesn't know it's not it's not my [TS]

  business in some ways but what I do have [TS]

  this feeling of is like I live in London [TS]

  and I have this this selfish feeling [TS]

  about how cities work and how his sort [TS]

  of awful but big cities drain useful [TS]

  talented intelligent people from as big [TS]

  of a catchment area as they possibly can [TS]

  this is what cities do and this is what [TS]

  we were talking about before with guns [TS]

  germs and steel when you mentioned this [TS]

  thing about how like density matters [TS]

  like getting a bunch of people in an [TS]

  area it really matters and then you add [TS]

  on top of that like cities end up [TS]

  specializing right where cities become [TS]

  known for a particular thing and I feel [TS]

  like well for for Humanity as a whole I [TS]

  think it is always good to be able to [TS]

  feed mega cities more than feed the less [TS]

  and so I kind of thought is like great [TS]

  if London can act as this incredible [TS]

  center of gravity that people in the [TS]

  rest of Europe want to move to the [TS]

  biggest city in the european union and [TS]

  people can get there and they can they [TS]

  can work with others and there's like [TS]

  this human density and things can arrive [TS]

  out of it [TS]

  I am very much in favor of that I wanted [TS]

  to be easy for as many people as [TS]

  possible to move to London because [TS]

  humanity as a whole benefits from this [TS]

  kind of talent density that is my [TS]

  probably wildly unpopular like political [TS]

  platform [TS]

  or why the United Kingdom should stay in [TS]

  the European Union is not compelling to [TS]

  me especially with London having spent [TS]

  most of the last week in London I think [TS]

  London has gone past the Maryland point [TS]

  of benefiting from more people coming [TS]

  into it i think London could do with [TS]

  hitting the brakes rawr [TS]

  it's just blunt London has passed [TS]

  critical mass now and now what do you [TS]

  mean that's just a mess [TS]

  I don't think London's still on that [TS]

  nice curve of things getting better and [TS]

  smarter people come in now London's just [TS]

  become a place where a lot of people are [TS]

  pretty miserable and it's too big too [TS]

  congested and I think the hundreds do [TS]

  big property prices say you're wrong you [TS]

  cannot use property prices in London for [TS]

  anything there are way too many [TS]

  billionaires and London is an exception [TS]

  to everything when it comes to that kind [TS]

  of comparison but i don't agree with you [TS]

  there i don't agree with you that like [TS]

  okay [TS]

  londonlondon does have this particular [TS]

  this particular problem of people buying [TS]

  big properties like investment [TS]

  properties a way to move to move money [TS]

  out of their countries like to just put [TS]

  in some property and in the safe stable [TS]

  country right [TS]

  yeah that does totally happen but that's [TS]

  not taking up seven million units of [TS]

  housing that is such a small small [TS]

  number of the housing units by [TS]

  comparison here is is san francisco [TS]

  right where San Francisco I find it [TS]

  absolutely fascinating i always read [TS]

  about the San Francisco property problem [TS]

  because i find it just really [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  san Francisco has the most expensive [TS]

  real estate in the world now feel like [TS]

  they they have surpassed japan which has [TS]

  been long left surpass Tokyo which has [TS]

  long been the the record holder here [TS]

  that is clearly a side effect of it is [TS]

  incredibly valuable to be located in San [TS]

  Francisco because of some of these [TS]

  density side effects right if you are a [TS]

  technology company or if you are a [TS]

  start-up you want to go to San Francisco [TS]

  and the property prices there are crazy [TS]

  like outrageously crazy property prices [TS]

  you know even worse than a place like [TS]

  London but people still want to go there [TS]

  and they pay those prices because on [TS]

  aggregate like it's still worth it [TS]

  to do that like that that's what the [TS]

  that's what property prices show you is [TS]

  people want to live in an area it's the [TS]

  reason all of the mega cities are are [TS]

  expensive is because there's huge value [TS]

  to people to live there i think people [TS]

  sometimes need to frame city property [TS]

  prices in a different way where they go [TS]

  oh my god it's so expensive per square [TS]

  foot [TS]

  I guess but part of what you're paying [TS]

  for is access to all of these other [TS]

  things including jobs like it's not just [TS]

  the square footage of your place [TS]

  it's what do you have access to and [TS]

  access to other people and jobs valuable [TS]

  we're getting into want to need and wait [TS]

  again here i don't know if people want [TS]

  to live there i think people have to [TS]

  live there and and they're taking a big [TS]

  hit in their happiness for the sake of [TS]

  their wallet and maybe if we could do [TS]

  something to help them if if humans [TS]

  could intervene somehow i don't know [TS]

  last last episode we spoke about just [TS]

  just letting economic forces take their [TS]

  take their route or whether we should [TS]

  intervene or something and I think this [TS]

  is a really good example where it would [TS]

  be so handy if we could sort of [TS]

  intervene and and stop people feeling [TS]

  like they have to be in certain places [TS]

  you know my uber driver who I talked [TS]

  about football and Formula One and stuff [TS]

  with had just moved to London and he was [TS]

  absolutely miserable and he was hating [TS]

  life in London but he just felt like he [TS]

  had to move there you know it wasn't [TS]

  earning enough money was in Italy and [TS]

  like and like now he's living in a [TS]

  crappy place and he's just got enough [TS]

  money to sort of get by two working two [TS]

  jobs but he felt like he had no choice [TS]

  I feel sorry for him like I i wish we [TS]

  had a society where he had another [TS]

  choice and i'm not i'm not you know [TS]

  fair enough he he felt like he had to do [TS]

  it was a voluntary decision and property [TS]

  prices continue to go up in London [TS]

  because not everyone feels like going to [TS]

  be there but I feel sorry for him and I [TS]

  like I was thinking is that we could do [TS]

  is there something is there some way we [TS]

  could create a situation where people [TS]

  didn't feel they had to move to london [TS]

  just because they couldn't get a job [TS]

  anywhere [TS]

  gross but that but that's what happened [TS]

  and it seems like that doesn't seem like [TS]

  what's gonna happen is London just going [TS]

  to turn into this huge giant black hole [TS]

  that's gonna suck all the money out of [TS]

  the world but also all the happiness out [TS]

  of the world [TS]

  I mean what do we how do we get around [TS]

  this i mean i know they're billionaires [TS]

  and people living in London right [TS]

  happily and really lovely places but [TS]

  there seemed to be a lot more people who [TS]

  are just scraping by on the fringes you [TS]

  know cleaning the toilets and driving [TS]

  the neighbors were quickly getting into [TS]

  the Brady in gray discuss how to solve [TS]

  all the world's problems portion of this [TS]

  podcast because this immediately becomes [TS]

  connected to absolutely everything and i [TS]

  will just just briefly point out that it [TS]

  sounds like he may have been just [TS]

  scraping by in London but he wasn't able [TS]

  to just scrape by wherever he was in [TS]

  Italy from your description it sounds [TS]

  like he was worse off wherever he can [TS]

  hear you of course and Annika said he [TS]

  moved to London voluntarily because it [TS]

  was it was better for him but but I [TS]

  think it's because of the attitude that [TS]

  you displayed a little bit earlier [TS]

  saying hey the bigger we can make London [TS]

  the better the more brains we can get [TS]

  here the more stuff we can funnel into [TS]

  this megacity the better it is for [TS]

  everyone and I'm saying hang on a second [TS]

  maybe few of those companies and a few [TS]

  of those smart people set up their [TS]

  business somewhere else if the love got [TS]

  spread a bit more you know that guy [TS]

  wouldn't be forced to live in some dingy [TS]

  little tiny apartment work 23 hours a [TS]

  day 28 and he could live somewhere nice [TS]

  and Italy and go work for one of those [TS]

  companies and I know and I this is [TS]

  supply and demand i know the city's kind [TS]

  of form themselves and there's no [TS]

  archenemy living in a volcano that's [TS]

  making all of this happen but like i [TS]

  said i think London's gone too far it's [TS]

  like it's got too big i think it's past [TS]

  some point it's it's gone past some [TS]

  optimal point now and it's become [TS]

  suboptimal i just want to point out a [TS]

  small clarification here because I said [TS]

  that it was better for Humanity I didn't [TS]

  say it was better for everyone [TS]

  okay thanks like this is this is a [TS]

  subtle but important point i am not [TS]

  saying that everybody who moves to a [TS]

  city is better off and I will always and [TS]

  forever think of LA and New York as the [TS]

  cities that are crushers of human [TS]

  James people move there and they have [TS]

  their dreams of fame and fortune crushed [TS]

  in various ways but la nonetheless has [TS]

  become this specialization for the [TS]

  entertainment industry and I think that [TS]

  humanity as a whole has a better [TS]

  entertainment industry with it being [TS]

  centralized to a large portion in one [TS]

  place like more things can happen [TS]

  because of the density of the people [TS]

  there and so like humanity for a whole [TS]

  benefits because la is this dense [TS]

  centralized focus place i'm not saying [TS]

  everybody who moved to LA like oh boy [TS]

  what a great time they have is like now [TS]

  it crushes your dreams and spits you out [TS]

  right thanks to those are very different [TS]

  things and so I i am making the like for [TS]

  the betterment of humanity argument not [TS]

  necessarily anybody in particular [TS]

  argument of I want an even bigger denser [TS]

  London than currently exists and I think [TS]

  that have leaving the European Union [TS]

  decreases the probability of that [TS]

  happening in the future but like I he [TS]

  want every smart ambitious person in [TS]

  Romania to move to london like I think [TS]

  that is better for Humanity as a whole [TS]

  then having people be trapped in their [TS]

  small countries like I'm well i'm [TS]

  generally for freedom of movement and [TS]

  freedom of movement increases density [TS]

  which i think is better for Humanity i'm [TS]

  not an expert on the subject and i'm [TS]

  also in favor freedom of movement but i [TS]

  will say that i don't i don't know if [TS]

  it's better for Humanity to have a good [TS]

  software industry in san francisco and [TS]

  could spend movies coming out of LA and [TS]

  lots and lots and lots and lots of [TS]

  miserable people i think maybe what [TS]

  would be better for humanity would be to [TS]

  have more happy humans [TS]

  I think that is exactly the kind of [TS]

  comment that you make when you're not [TS]

  actually arguing the point is like yes I [TS]

  I to Brady I too want there to be more [TS]

  happy people [TS]

  nobody's going to argue that point right [TS]

  but i think one of the ways that we get [TS]

  more happy people is by pushing [TS]

  civilization forward it's by getting [TS]

  penicillin it's by having better [TS]

  entertainment options is by increasing [TS]

  technology I think these are all the [TS]

  ways that we get better happier people [TS]

  like this way we have a better happier [TS]

  Society and as far as i can tell [TS]

  clustering people in cities is one of [TS]

  the most effective ways to get this i'm [TS]

  not saying we should abolish cities i [TS]

  bought i don't think you're saying [TS]

  abolish cities you've got this kind of [TS]

  be all and end all of as we just got to [TS]

  keep we're gonna go push forward to [TS]

  going to keep developing thing you know [TS]

  when you talked about although when you [TS]

  talk about penicillin and all these [TS]

  great developments i don't hear talking [TS]

  about nuclear bombs and AK forty-sevens [TS]

  and landmines and like this relentless [TS]

  push to make everything better and more [TS]

  efficient and and you know as absolute [TS]

  maximum strength comes with a cost as [TS]

  well yeah but it's better than if it's [TS]

  always the cost benefit outweighs the [TS]

  cost before I I'm saying should we [TS]

  should there be a balance should we be [TS]

  saying hang on a second [TS]

  we've gone too far on this one with that [TS]

  I don't think London has gone too far I [TS]

  think London has not gone far enough [TS]

  ok and i don't think that you're arguing [TS]

  for abolishing cities just to be clear i [TS]

  don't i don't think that the argument [TS]

  that you're making [TS]

  yeah but I think you're making an [TS]

  argument that's a lot closer to let's [TS]

  encourage people to move to non London [TS]

  cities Mabel or it's just really common [TS]

  when something becomes you know and [TS]

  center of excellence like an LA or San [TS]

  Francisco another natural thing to [TS]

  happen is for people to go well this is [TS]

  getting really difficult to manage now [TS]

  it's getting really expensive than that [TS]

  let's create a second center of [TS]

  excellence somewhere else somewhere [TS]

  maybe somewhere cheaper this up with [TS]

  somewhere somewhere which is a bit more [TS]

  feasible for sort of normal for humans [TS]

  and that sometimes happens to i 100% [TS]

  agree with that and along with my [TS]

  obsession with [TS]

  the San Francisco property price stories [TS]

  which have no personal connection to but [TS]

  find interesting i also find very [TS]

  interesting this endless push that many [TS]

  countries have to have a second silicon [TS]

  valley and I actually think that London [TS]

  has a pretty decent shot at being able [TS]

  to to do this i think the very fact that [TS]

  London is a big english-speaking city [TS]

  that is able to draw on talent from a [TS]

  wide variety of sources i think that it [TS]

  might have a chance of being another [TS]

  good software technology and five sizes [TS]

  go so excited to get around the problem [TS]

  of property prices in San Francisco you [TS]

  set it up in London where there's also a [TS]

  huge problem with property prices [TS]

  no no I don't care about you don't get [TS]

  her I don't care at all about the [TS]

  property prices i think the property [TS]

  prices are a measure of how valuable [TS]

  places right and in in some private [TS]

  conversations I've had with people i [TS]

  have I've long held this theory that San [TS]

  Francisco is like the most important [TS]

  city on the face of the earth right now [TS]

  because of what is taking place in terms [TS]

  of of technology and and companies there [TS]

  and the fact that it's now the most [TS]

  expensive place to live is interesting [TS]

  to me and seems to to back this up right [TS]

  it seems to back up this idea and I [TS]

  think than London you're starting from a [TS]

  place that is already quite valuable and [TS]

  I i think that like it worries me that [TS]

  San Francisco sits on top of a huge [TS]

  fault line and so I think from the from [TS]

  a species level perspective it would be [TS]

  fantastic if we had another super [TS]

  technology hub somewhere else baby [TS]

  wasn't on a fault line and so this is [TS]

  also why i like-- i would i would love [TS]

  to promote London even further down this [TS]

  path of like yes let let us try to [TS]

  gather up all of the most talented [TS]

  people in the European Union and get [TS]

  them to move to this location and that's [TS]

  why I don't like the idea of making it [TS]

  harder for people to move to london i [TS]

  like the idea of making it easier for [TS]

  people to move to london [TS]

  and what about the old eggs in one [TS]

  basket top thing when you talked about [TS]

  an earthquake in San Francisco [TS]

  I mean what about a dirty bomb in London [TS]

  yeah but what about a dirty bomb in San [TS]

  Francisco like exactly but that's what [TS]

  I'm saying but you're saying let's have [TS]

  one of two hubs 101 I have everything a [TS]

  bit more spread out so we haven't got [TS]

  just two or three soft targets [TS]

  everything we know about humans [TS]

  indicates that the density matters [TS]

  yeah and I think if you spread it out [TS]

  too much then you lose almost all of the [TS]

  benefits that you're gaining in the [TS]

  first place [TS]

  yeah right well what about it but I mean [TS]

  that's changing with the technology [TS]

  letting making sort of the world shrink [TS]

  a bit like you used to [TS]

  you know I mean you know yourself you [TS]

  your assistance in America meant that [TS]

  you know you did we don't need to be in [TS]

  the same place anymore the way we used [TS]

  to [TS]

  oh yeah I totally agree like technology [TS]

  is helping with this but I don't think [TS]

  it's that I don't think it's enough [TS]

  yeah and particularly it's not enough if [TS]

  you're interested in being the best and [TS]

  working with the best people like I find [TS]

  it fascinating you know how other [TS]

  recurring character on the podcast but [TS]

  elon musk rats started in in south [TS]

  africa and from what I've read about him [TS]

  he knew in his early life that he wanted [TS]

  to get to San Francisco as soon as [TS]

  possible because he wanted to be exactly [TS]

  what he has become and shirt like let's [TS]

  say immigration policies were were [TS]

  different and it was really hard like [TS]

  could Elon Musk has become the best [TS]

  businessman in South Africa [TS]

  yes quite possibly could he have [TS]

  literally ended up running south africa [TS]

  yes quite possibly but I don't doubt [TS]

  that part of his incredible success and [TS]

  the things that he's able to do now is [TS]

  the fact of like he was able to get to [TS]

  San Francisco and like work with other [TS]

  interesting people to get things off the [TS]

  ground and so that's why I think the [TS]

  density matters and so if if if San [TS]

  Francisco sitting on a fault line it's [TS]

  like okay well maybe we can get one [TS]

  other place that's like sort of kind of [TS]

  a backup but even then I still [TS]

  fundamentally believe that once you get [TS]

  a place that's super specialized [TS]

  the best people are always going to want [TS]

  to go there and so I merely think that [TS]

  London could be like the second most [TS]

  important city in the world if it is [TS]

  collecting up all of the smartest [TS]

  ambitious people in the European Union [TS]

  who can easily move there and and try to [TS]

  get things started [TS]

  so that that's that's kind of my [TS]

  position there and what about London's [TS]

  creaking transport system and its [TS]

  airport crisis [TS]

  I mean that things like that use [TS]

  I mean that things like that use [TS]

  you know that stuff will work itself out [TS]

  i guess i never think those are deal [TS]

  breakers and i have to say i mean the [TS]

  underground as far as public transport [TS]

  systems go it's fantastic compared to [TS]

  almost everywhere else I have ever been [TS]

  so i got i think Londoners love to [TS]

  complain about it but as far as public [TS]

  transport goes it's pretty great thank [TS]

  you [TS]

  what what places are you gonna hold up [TS]

  its like I will hold up hong kong as a [TS]

  better transport system like there-there [TS]

  transfer system was pretty good but i [TS]

  think it's hard to beat the london one [TS]

  in terms of comprehensiveness yeah like [TS]

  it's a huge region that's covered by [TS]

  public transport [TS]

  you are the ultimate London she later [TS]

  i'll give you that I'm not a London [TS]

  cheerleader right i know i am a CEO is [TS]

  pretty chilly no my friend you are a [TS]

  London cheerleader and contributed did I [TS]

  if I moved out of the UK [TS]

  yeah and i moved back to America I would [TS]

  probably move to San Francisco because [TS]

  even though there are many things about [TS]

  san francisco on a hugely long list that [TS]

  i could put out that I don't like yeah i [TS]

  think it's an interesting place because [TS]

  of people going there like get it feeds [TS]

  on itself like some of the most [TS]

  interesting people i know and follow [TS]

  live in that broader area right and so [TS]

  like that that is what makes it [TS]

  attractive and so like I am I am living [TS]

  in London and I really like London but [TS]

  it is like it is the biggest city in the [TS]

  european union and I and I think like [TS]

  that is a unique kind of benefits so I [TS]

  am a city cheerleader and I really like [TS]

  London your London cheerleader you've [TS]

  always been you've always been very very [TS]

  much of London cheerleader but that's ok [TS]

  everyone who lives in London is is a [TS]

  quite of that mind [TS]

  yeah because it's the center of [TS]

  everything yeah so I guess I'm telling [TS]

  people vote for the United Kingdom to [TS]

  stay in here the Union to fade London [TS]

  and fade the based yeah so that we can [TS]

  feed the megacity it will it will eat [TS]

  many of you and chew you up and spit you [TS]

  out but the ultimate return on [TS]

  investment from a few incredibly [TS]

  successful people will [TS]

  probably be worth it vote stay app [TS]

  leicester city well done the Foxes i'm [TS]

  sure it was very exciting for you i'm [TS]

  happy you got to see a rare event in [TS]

  your life it was a fairytale in real [TS]

  life it was the it was that doesn't even [TS]

  make any sense [TS]

  that's a contradictory statement doesn't [TS]

  the fairy tale in real life is a fairy [TS]

  tale come true like it it's a sort of [TS]

  story that could only be made up in a [TS]

  fairy tale and yet it didn't happen in [TS]

  reality how could it only be made up in [TS]

  a fairy tale like we already have [TS]

  examples of incredibly rare things [TS]

  happening in sports [TS]

  this is pretty amazing that they didn't [TS]

  they didn't they didn't ride in a [TS]

  pumpkin carriage to the Premier League [TS]

  final game like what are you talking [TS]

  about how do you know i could tell you [TS]

  they did you wouldn't know any better [TS]

  write your food totally fooled me ready [TS]

  you got me there buddy at say what you [TS]

  want it was a fairytale [TS]