Hello Internet

H.I. #68: Project Revolution


  Brady do you want to tell the people [TS]

  about the secret project [TS]

  have you given a secret name because of [TS]

  secret projects not a secret project [TS]

  until it's got some pretentious name on [TS]

  one of your spreadsheets [TS]

  ah no actually can we quickly give it a [TS]

  name was a good code name for a project [TS]

  revolution is what i would call this one [TS]

  yes I was thinking revolver but [TS]

  revolution is good for many reasons [TS]

  that's the perfect name but now I did [TS]

  that come up with a secret code name for [TS]

  this one because this as with many [TS]

  things is one of your ideas that was [TS]

  births and so this was not on my project [TS]

  lists [TS]

  yeah I mean without wanting to say I'm [TS]

  too boastful this one has got my name [TS]

  written all over it hasn't it it does [TS]

  tell the people what we've been up to [TS]

  well I'm just cut to the chase we are [TS]

  releasing an exclusive hello Internet [TS]

  episode there is available on and only [TS]

  on vinyl [TS]

  yeah everything is smile and laugh [TS]

  everytime i think about a podcast [TS]

  episode on a record [TS]

  it's podcasting getting back to its [TS]

  roots isn't it yes I believe my [TS]

  knowledge of history serves me correctly [TS]

  hear that the original podcast were [TS]

  distributed via vinyl records on and [TS]

  pony express our wax cylinder yeah i [TS]

  think that the other how podcasters of [TS]

  you are used to do this to be fair my [TS]

  wife played a pretty big role in the [TS]

  idea to she quite likes a vinyl music [TS]

  move so the idea came about that we [TS]

  should have an episode of Hello internet [TS]

  on vinyl and I was quite nervous about [TS]

  suggesting it to you because you don't [TS]

  seem like a vinyl kind of guy and I [TS]

  thought it was going to be a tough sell [TS]

  little and i have to say of all the [TS]

  crazy things that I've persuaded you to [TS]

  do this probably required the least [TS]

  effort you onboard very quickly i was on [TS]

  board very quickly because it was a good [TS]

  idea i get a lot of wacky Brady ideas [TS]

  but i thought this was funny i like the [TS]

  pitch of it immediately so when it's a [TS]

  good idea Brady I'm happy to go along [TS]

  ok so just so people know where things [TS]

  are at before we talk about vinyl in [TS]

  general [TS]

  we have recorded the episode em it's [TS]

  fair to say it's not your typical hello [TS]

  Internet episodes in a gray like in some [TS]

  ways it is but otherwise it's a bit [TS]

  different [TS]

  have you even listen to it yet what did [TS]

  you not listen to the broadcast i sent [TS]

  you [TS]

  I haven't gotten a chance to look into [TS]

  the rough cut and had just sent me just [TS]

  yet but i was there during the recording [TS]

  some i'm aware of what you were you were [TS]

  at so we've recorded the episode i've [TS]

  edited it all together it's a very [TS]

  special episode and it's now off with [TS]

  the manufacturers and it's going to be [TS]

  pressed onto vinyl there's an album [TS]

  cover which incidentally is amazing [TS]

  mhm it's going to be available in [TS]

  November it takes awhile to get vinyl [TS]

  made on learning its bit of a palava to [TS]

  be honest [TS]

  well this has been an incredibly long [TS]

  process because like how long was it ago [TS]

  that you actually pitch this to me is [TS]

  the thing that you wanted to do it feels [TS]

  like months and months and months ago I [TS]

  was ages ago [TS]

  it just took you so long to actually [TS]

  decide to record it and decide what the [TS]

  episode would be about but we finally [TS]

  did and we finally did that about a [TS]

  month ago [TS]

  mhm why is it together pretty quickly [TS]

  and then got the artwork made started [TS]

  talking to manufacturers and they have [TS]

  to be sent all this stuff it's a process [TS]

  that we did the episode I thought that [TS]

  was a pretty cool episode I listen back [TS]

  to and thought yet [TS]

  that's pretty good but when we got the [TS]

  artwork done by a professional and very [TS]

  good artist who you introduced me to [TS]

  when I saw the designs that was when I [TS]

  was like this is awesome [TS]

  that's when I got excited because he's [TS]

  done an amazing job yet it does look [TS]

  absolutely gorgeous will put a link in [TS]

  the show notes to the vinyl artwork do [TS]

  you want to tell people what we actually [TS]

  discussed sit because as people who [TS]

  listen to that episode might realize i [TS]

  was unfamiliar with what you proposed [TS]

  that we do in this final episode of [TS]

  Hello internet well I'm a little [TS]

  reluctant to give away too much at this [TS]

  stage I'd like to build that but i will [TS]

  say it is about music okay and our taste [TS]

  in music [TS]

  we discuss music quite a la M it [TS]

  actually gave me new insights into you [TS]

  gray like the musical and actually some [TS]

  of the music you told me about [TS]

  I have since been listening to oh wow [TS]

  that's interesting [TS]

  yeah i can say the reverse is not true [TS]

  there are a few questions that are going [TS]

  to come into people's heads and the main [TS]

  1i guess is why on earth are you doing [TS]

  such a stupid ridiculous thing I think [TS]

  it seems self-evidence why you would do [TS]

  this because it's fun it's intrinsically [TS]

  entertaining i just like to create [TS]

  things and this is true it's so rare [TS]

  that we create physical things and this [TS]

  struck me as a rare opportunity for us [TS]

  to like to make something real in the [TS]

  world that people could touch and put on [TS]

  the shelf and and handle and I don't [TS]

  know it excites me [TS]

  I was always fascinated by vinyl when I [TS]

  was young because you know my parents [TS]

  had a record player and also you know [TS]

  the idea of gold records when people win [TS]

  a gold record and have it framed and put [TS]

  up on the wall and I'm not the world's [TS]

  biggest music head so far from but just [TS]

  the idea of Records always appealed to [TS]

  me and also i think it's a nice thing to [TS]

  own up when I really like a band or I [TS]

  really like an album [TS]

  mmm even if I'm never going to listen to [TS]

  vinyl or CD or cassette I just like to [TS]

  own a copy of it and sure i might just [TS]

  continue listening to it now on my [TS]

  computer on my phone but I just like [TS]

  having on the Shelf something about that [TS]

  appeals to me how many vinyl records do [TS]

  you think you are [TS]

  of what hardly any we actually only got [TS]

  a new record player about two or three [TS]

  weeks ago so we have been buying a few [TS]

  records just lightly but before i did [TS]

  get the record player i did get the [TS]

  public service broadcasting album they [TS]

  sent me a copy of it so i have had that [TS]

  on the Shelf before I had my record [TS]

  player and I like them they're like [TS]

  little trophies that little ornaments [TS]

  and I don't know if it's true for [TS]

  podcast because i don't know how many [TS]

  podcasts have released vital episodes [TS]

  but I can imagine if you quite liked a [TS]

  podcast sure you know you can get a [TS]

  t-shirt or you can get a poster but i [TS]

  just thought if you're going to own [TS]

  something of a podcast you like what [TS]

  better thing to own then like physical [TS]

  incarnation of an episode of it and [TS]

  that's what we're making you can [TS]

  actually touch an episode you can hold [TS]

  it it can be yours you described it as a [TS]

  thing of beauty really [TS]

  the physical manifestation of our lovely [TS]

  voices etched onto the physical surface [TS]

  of an object to be scratched over by a [TS]

  needle to reproduce the sound final the [TS]

  big question is though who owns a record [TS]

  player but who can listen to this [TS]

  are we making something that no one can [TS]

  actually utilize I think the answer that [TS]

  is in many cases no one owns a record [TS]

  player and we are making something that [TS]

  people won't be able to play unless they [TS]

  go and visit uncle johns or grandma [TS]

  Jones and use her record player but i [TS]

  don't think that matters [TS]

  I think if I like something just like [TS]

  with race for space the album before i [TS]

  had a record player i wanted to own a [TS]

  vinyl copy of it because i liked the [TS]

  album and I think I would feel the same [TS]

  way about this i would like to have it [TS]

  even if I couldn't listen to it that [TS]

  sounds ridiculous and I thought maybe [TS]

  that is ridiculous but funnily enough [TS]

  and coincidentally I've just been [TS]

  reading a few articles in the last few [TS]

  days I was someone on the BBC website [TS]

  saying that something like fifty percent [TS]

  of vinyl albums that are purchased by [TS]

  people and never listened to on never [TS]

  played so I think that attitude that I [TS]

  have that these things can actually just [TS]

  be ornaments or little stylistic things [TS]

  is fleshed out by statistics as well so [TS]

  you think people are buying them as [TS]

  posters and like putting them up on [TS]

  their wall or his ownership objects [TS]

  never intending to actually listen to [TS]

  them i think that's true [TS]

  there was an article from April 2016 on [TS]

  the BBC website and we'll try and link [TS]

  to it and it's all about how music [TS]

  streaming has actually caused an upsurge [TS]

  in sales of vinyl and as all these [TS]

  numbers and stats and that but they're [TS]

  also just interviewing a few people [TS]

  about and they were talking to the [TS]

  student in manchester and he said I have [TS]

  vinyls in my room but it's more for de [TS]

  coeur I don't actually play them it just [TS]

  gives me an old-school vibe that's what [TS]

  vinyl is all about [TS]

  i get there i have one on my shelf the [TS]

  moment you know i bought the Star Wars [TS]

  trilogy on laserdiscs like from a [TS]

  secondhand shop I've never even owned a [TS]

  laserdisc player but I just liked like [TS]

  this retro coolness of owning the Star [TS]

  Wars trilogy on laserdisc and they just [TS]

  interesting objects maybe this is the [TS]

  same thing and we've deliberately made [TS]

  this hello Internet album look [TS]

  indirect right when you say you know why [TS]

  i made it does the blacks from another [TS]

  time did I show you my original design [TS]

  of the album cover [TS]

  I've just sent you my original sketch of [TS]

  what I wanted like my vision for what [TS]

  the output look like just to share the [TS]

  different stream what I came up with and [TS]

  whatnot just gonna be okay i never saw [TS]

  this is this but look at you can see my [TS]

  vision but you can see the vision there [TS]

  Caillou great [TS]

  ok that will include this in the show [TS]

  notes because yes this is if you imagine [TS]

  like Brady is a three-year-old child [TS]

  holding a crayon into hands drawing what [TS]

  he imagines an album cover to be that is [TS]

  what I'm looking at right now a very [TS]

  terribly drawn picture of like a beach [TS]

  scene and a robot and brady and like a [TS]

  gramophone on the beach I would praise a [TS]

  small child for this drawing it looks [TS]

  terrible if you have done it but i can [TS]

  see the inspiration that I'm sure that [TS]

  his came to the artists to create the [TS]

  final version i think the final version [TS]

  pretty much looks just like it except [TS]

  like well done they filled in the [TS]

  details [TS]

  a little yeah I'm sure that's that's all [TS]

  that was done I like that it's also [TS]

  called Brady scribble dot jpg has the [TS]

  file name isn't saving it to my desktop [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  yeah I have no delusions of grandeur I [TS]

  think though and i know you Brady [TS]

  because you're kind of a hoarder [TS]

  you know you keep talking about the [TS]

  actual object miss of it and we have [TS]

  people love to hold things in to run [TS]

  their fingers over them and to keep [TS]

  hundreds of photos of astronauts and a [TS]

  big trunk next to the desk like this is [TS]

  the kind of thing that you like to do [TS]

  yeah i think people will actually listen [TS]

  to it and I think people actually do own [TS]

  record players it seems like [TS]

  old-fashioned record players are kind of [TS]

  a trendy thing all of these hipsters in [TS]

  the world who like old things go out and [TS]

  they buy record players so I think there [TS]

  are actually enough record players in [TS]

  the world that a significant number of [TS]

  people who buy this will actually be [TS]

  able to hear the episode that is [TS]

  contained within it i don't think it's [TS]

  just going to end up on people's walls [TS]

  as a piece of artwork at least i hope [TS]

  not because we know we record the [TS]

  episode for people to listen to and I [TS]

  think it will be listened to [TS]

  maybe there will be [TS]

  hello Internet listening parties where [TS]

  the one hipster in the group or the one [TS]

  delusional person who thinks that vinyl [TS]

  sounds better than all digital [TS]

  recordings and thus owns a record player [TS]

  will be able to play the episode for a [TS]

  group of people to listen to i think [TS]

  that's gonna happen and they're gonna [TS]

  love it I love the idea of a party with [TS]

  a big bowl of crisps and a couple of [TS]

  years and just hanging there [TS]

  I hope that is until I put a lot of [TS]

  effort into the episode it was put [TS]

  together very lovingly even though you [TS]

  haven't listened to it yet it has not [TS]

  gotten to the top of my to-do list had [TS]

  been very busy being in America but i [TS]

  will listen to it very soon ready okay [TS]

  so it's not going to physically exist [TS]

  into November em but we've been a bit of [TS]

  a conundrum [TS]

  it's been very difficult to decide how [TS]

  many to have made so we've got a very [TS]

  limited run being made so we are going [TS]

  to sell them now so we know who's going [TS]

  to get them so if you want one [TS]

  there's only about I think 250 being [TS]

  made at the moment blue which maybe is [TS]

  way too many or maybe is not enough [TS]

  so if you want one order it now I'm [TS]

  afraid you won't actually get to hold it [TS]

  until later in the year but once they're [TS]

  gone they're probably gone and it's [TS]

  taken so long to get these ones my [TS]

  goodness knows if i'll be able to get [TS]

  another batch done so if you want one [TS]

  get in if you don't want one well that's [TS]

  okay fine it's not for everyone which [TS]

  still business as usual here on the [TS]

  internet business as usual [TS]

  what is business as usual Brady you know [TS]

  we're still putting out a good [TS]

  old-fashioned internet episodes are you [TS]

  trying to allay fears that people might [TS]

  have that the show is going to convert [TS]

  to a completely vinyl she'll fix is [TS]

  really successful like that's what it [TS]

  sounds like implicitly you're trying to [TS]

  let people know like don't worry if this [TS]

  sells out we're not going to become a [TS]

  vinyl exclusive podcast right don't [TS]

  worry it's still business as usual with [TS]

  our fancy pantsy digital distribution [TS]

  that's still going to happen during that [TS]

  time and gray don't tell me can you [TS]

  imagine the irony if the first vinyl [TS]

  only podcast in the world was called [TS]

  hello internet at [TS]

  great are you gonna want to copy because [TS]

  I know you don't like physical things [TS]

  but surely you will have to own a copy [TS]

  of this i'm trying to remember is does [TS]

  my dad have a record player can i send [TS]

  this to my parents house so that I have [TS]

  it and then i can actually listen to it [TS]

  on vinyl and gift my parents with the [TS]

  burden of holding onto the actual [TS]

  physical object i think maybe listen to [TS]

  my parents and I will enjoy it there [TS]

  the burden mhm I can't wait [TS]

  if nothing else people just go and have [TS]

  a look at what the cover looks like just [TS]

  enjoy the cover it's a thing of beauty [TS]

  and you can look at that for free [TS]

  yeah you can look at that for free see [TS]

  what Brady's artwork inspired i wonder [TS]

  if it's too late to this replace the out [TS]

  with my original 1 i'm just going to say [TS]

  it's too late right now i'm gonna say [TS]

  it's too late [TS]

  even though this is 100-percent your [TS]

  project from start to finish you were [TS]

  doing everything I'm going to say it's [TS]

  too late to possibly change the artwork [TS]

  for this one [TS]

  no it's not it's not gonna happen maybe [TS]

  there's gonna be a the second run [TS]

  printing do you have like memories of [TS]

  vinyl I did you ever own vinyl records [TS]

  or you know used to play them on your [TS]

  parents record player or was it never [TS]

  really part of your life [TS]

  my dad was always really big into music [TS]

  much much more so than I ever was or [TS]

  ever have been [TS]

  and when I was a kid I remember that [TS]

  there were tons of vinyl records it [TS]

  seemed like around the house and he had [TS]

  a vinyl record player and I feel like I [TS]

  remember like the transition from vinyl [TS]

  to digital is this big thing that we did [TS]

  at one point going through all of my [TS]

  dad's vinyl records and having a machine [TS]

  that actually converted them into [TS]

  digital mp3's at one point but yeah I [TS]

  definitely remember as a kid listening [TS]

  to vinyl records that was playing on my [TS]

  dad's system but by the time i bought [TS]

  music for myself it was cds i'm pretty [TS]

  sure embarrassingly the first CD I ever [TS]

  bought was like pocket full of [TS]

  kryptonite by the spin doctors which [TS]

  anyone like in middle school in the [TS]

  early nineties was definitely no but [TS]

  they did not [TS]

  last very long after that I think but i [TS]

  am one hundred percent certain that i [TS]

  personally have never bought a vinyl [TS]

  record but you as a man in the next [TS]

  decade of life for me [TS]

  have you bought vinyl records you must [TS]

  have no I started on cassettes and my [TS]

  first cassette was money for nothing [TS]

  well actually the album was called [TS]

  brothers-in-arms by dire straits but i [TS]

  do have fun memories of our no I [TS]

  remember my dad bought the vinyl single [TS]

  of kokomo by the Beach Boys and I [TS]

  remember spending a summer just playing [TS]

  that over and over again on the record [TS]

  player but we were listening to it was [TS]

  playing in the swimming pool because I [TS]

  grew up with a swimming pool open so we [TS]

  would be swimming and then when the song [TS]

  would finish after four minutes or [TS]

  whatever we would take it in turns to [TS]

  getting out of the pole and drying your [TS]

  hands and your arms going into the house [TS]

  moving the needle back to the start of [TS]

  the out now running and jumping in the [TS]

  PO and just listening to cook like with [TS]

  this into it 20 times in a row but you [TS]

  have to go and restart some h time on [TS]

  the record player [TS]

  ok that's all I could not imagine a [TS]

  world of music that didn't have an [TS]

  automatic repeat one if you have to [TS]

  Kovac in and reset it manually what a [TS]

  pain in the fight [TS]

  do you know what it is nothing but a [TS]

  happy memory it's pure happiness regular [TS]

  see it like I can still see it sitting [TS]

  on the record player and I can still see [TS]

  like my dripping hands like fiddling [TS]

  with the are brilliant yeah just a [TS]

  crystal clear memory in your head [TS]

  it does seem like a yeah well that's the [TS]

  key word there it seems like I'm glad [TS]

  you have a happy memory of that Brady [TS]

  actually i have gotten a little bit [TS]

  vinyl obsessed a because of what we're [TS]

  doing in the pride of course and also [TS]

  because of the my wife got a record [TS]

  player a few weeks ago so we've been [TS]

  buying up lots of i know and i went on [TS]

  to a bay and i bought a vinyl release [TS]

  that came out shortly after the Apollo [TS]

  11 landing we could get all the [TS]

  highlights of Apollo 11 on vinyl and [TS]

  listen to the moon landing again from [TS]

  the original NASA recordings i haven't [TS]

  put it on yet but I'm gonna have a [TS]

  listen to the Apollo 11 as if it's not [TS]

  scratchy enough record i'm gonna listen [TS]

  to a record player [TS]

  I feel like you might be really headed [TS]

  towards the deep end of vinyl you you're [TS]

  going to be one of those people in six [TS]

  months is trying to convince me about [TS]

  the superiority of vinyl [TS]

  as you're using one of those like vinyl [TS]

  oils that you suppose like rub gently [TS]

  into the surface of your records and [TS]

  like oh yes this is a much better much [TS]

  superior experience watch operating [TS]

  that's gonna be you in six months [TS]

  hang on there's a difference between [TS]

  saying one's a superior experience and [TS]

  one's a superior sound that's true [TS]

  anyway well I'll tell you what we don't [TS]

  have to like put ideas out there because [TS]

  come November people can listen to a [TS]

  hello Internet pisode on vinyl and they [TS]

  can tell us which they think is the [TS]

  superior experience [TS]

  well they're only going to have the [TS]

  choice of listening to this episode on [TS]

  vinyl so listening to this one on vinyl [TS]

  will be the superior experience and the [TS]

  only experience [TS]

  yeah when you say this one not the one [TS]

  we're recording now but the secret room [TS]

  we forget a secret one that were [TS]

  recording [TS]

  yeah that one will never be available in [TS]

  digital format by now [TS]

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  when we haven't been making secret vinyl [TS]

  episodes of hello Internet what else [TS]

  have you been up to basically you've [TS]

  been lounging around the last month [TS]

  seven you've got into your and your [TS]

  hibernation annual hibernation yeah you [TS]

  are a man who takes a vacation like when [TS]

  you take a vacation you take a vacation [TS]

  I think what you mean by that is that [TS]

  I'm slower to respond to you then you [TS]

  would like when you know that i am on [TS]

  vacation but you don't really know what [TS]

  I've been up to Brady I haven't been [TS]

  sending you snaps of me by the pool with [TS]

  a little alcoholic drink in my hand with [TS]

  an umbrella in it you know nothing of [TS]

  what I've been up to [TS]

  I think all you know is that I don't [TS]

  reply as quickly as you would like is [TS]

  that a fair assessment [TS]

  you don't tweak and you don't produce [TS]

  content when you don't release content [TS]

  maybe you spent last month making 19 [TS]

  videos and you're about to release them [TS]

  all at once that is not the case [TS]

  no that is that is definitely not the [TS]

  case you are correct in that I try to [TS]

  shut down great industries as much as I [TS]

  possibly can over the summer [TS]

  not nearly as much as i would like but [TS]

  perhaps more than some other people like [TS]

  I feel like in the past month I've been [TS]

  very busy because I've been doing a [TS]

  bunch of family stuff and family stuff [TS]

  is always busy stuff time-consuming [TS]

  stuff I've been in America driving [TS]

  across the country at one point I was in [TS]

  Wyoming for a while and i have to say we [TS]

  talked about the Wyoming flag a while [TS]

  ago on our flag episode we went through [TS]

  all the state flags and do you remember [TS]

  Brady what the Wyoming flag looks like [TS]

  off the top of your head and that haha i [TS]

  look at it now if you want [TS]

  yeah you can look at it now [TS]

  oh yeah okay it's a bad flag done badly [TS]

  is that what you think of the flag of [TS]

  Wyoming yeah it's bad flag done badly [TS]

  air because they like they said okay [TS]

  here's all the things we could do to [TS]

  make a bad flag like have a weird [TS]

  outline of an animal and put a logo [TS]

  honor but then they said what's the [TS]

  worst way we could put the logo on it [TS]

  oh I know let's like make it too big and [TS]

  ill-fitting on the weird animal and [TS]

  that's bad to the pair of bad [TS]

  let's see now my view of the flag of [TS]

  Wyoming is that it is almost great it's [TS]

  just the logo stamped across the Buffalo [TS]

  is the most terrible thing ever that [TS]

  yeah we just to remove that logo this [TS]

  flag would be so much better so much [TS]

  cooler yes this is what you have to do [TS]

  to fix the wiring flag remove the logo [TS]

  from on the Buffalo em stylized the [TS]

  outline of the Buffalo a little bit so [TS]

  it doesn't look like clip made by brady [TS]

  and just get the proportion of that box [TS]

  and border a little bit different i'm ok [TS]

  with the box and border i agree that is [TS]

  slightly stylized Buffalo would be an [TS]

  improvement but eighty percent of the [TS]

  games come from simply removing the [TS]

  state seal yeah which is horrific we [TS]

  placed at the center of that Buffalo [TS]

  don't use the word center because it's [TS]

  off center in the flag and it's off [TS]

  center on the Buffalo into his office [TS]

  enter and badly size as it could be i [TS]

  don't know i think they must have been [TS]

  having that must be bored in some [TS]

  consultants from Liberia help with this [TS]

  one looking at possibly possibly i think [TS]

  in that old episode i would have said [TS]

  what I think about this flag is like boy [TS]

  just take away that logo and this is a [TS]

  pretty good flag even if you do [TS]

  absolutely nothing else and when I was [TS]

  in Wyoming the summer I was in a place [TS]

  called jackson hole for a while and i [TS]

  could not help but notice that almost [TS]

  everywhere I saw the flag of Wyoming [TS]

  being used as like a logo or being used [TS]

  in a poster or on the outside of a store [TS]

  or on somebody's hat it's like the [TS]

  citizens of Wyoming took it into their [TS]

  own hands that that logo doesn't exist [TS]

  right they just remove that and is like [TS]

  now we're going with our Buffalo flag [TS]

  that's awesome [TS]

  without the logo so it felt like there [TS]

  was a bit of [TS]

  citizens spontaneous democracy taking [TS]

  place about how to make their flag look [TS]

  better of which i vastly improve [TS]

  thumbs-up citizens of Wyoming you [TS]

  approve but when people don't hello [TS]

  Internet you call them rebel scum [TS]

  no but they're just having an entirely [TS]

  different flag that didn't win the [TS]

  referendum that's the Knights different [TS]

  you can't you can't support an uprising [TS]

  ya ready that's no good right so it's [TS]

  okay to tweak the flag but you can't [TS]

  just completely change it I see lots of [TS]

  people do very interesting things with [TS]

  the nail and gear that icon in and of [TS]

  itself [TS]

  I see lots of interesting things done [TS]

  with the flag but if you're just going [TS]

  to try to have one of the loser flags [TS]

  act as the official flag of hello [TS]

  internet it's not cool especially with [TS]

  your feet hip fade so i could just the [TS]

  other day someone tweeted at me some [TS]

  diehard put white cross up briefly on [TS]

  the health network if age is the [TS]

  official flag and I thought our that [TS]

  someone really committed to a losing [TS]

  cause there i think you get onto a [TS]

  genius idea they're great I in the [TS]

  battle for hearts and minds instead of [TS]

  flag flag being called the one true flag [TS]

  or whatever people like to cola we [TS]

  should just start referring to her as [TS]

  the loser flag haha because that these [TS]

  people are basically that you know their [TS]

  totem this standard that are trying to [TS]

  take it into the world is a loser flag [TS]

  practice right now and gather together [TS]

  all of us under this loser flag hanging [TS]

  Anna it does rather deflate the car [TS]

  doesn't that's all I'm gonna call of now [TS]

  on there's another are your team loser [TS]

  flag I know all about branding elections [TS]

  and I think that might be a winning [TS]

  point to hit on there so in my travels [TS]

  across America as we have discussed [TS]

  previously on the show [TS]

  there is always the problem of tipping [TS]

  em and while this is my second trip to [TS]

  America this summer this time because i [TS]

  wasn't just staying in hotels i was [TS]

  actually going across the land [TS]

  I kept running into this thing which I [TS]

  just haven't come across in America [TS]

  before they're called square terminals [TS]

  for taking payments in America do you [TS]

  know what i'm talking about if I say [TS]

  square terminal know [TS]

  ok America seems to have this horrific [TS]

  Lee backwards payment system for [TS]

  accepting credit card payments i don't [TS]

  understand what's going on in America I [TS]

  don't understand why they can't just run [TS]

  credit cards like normal people but [TS]

  there seems to be this old-fashioned way [TS]

  of doing things [TS]

  I constantly have to hand my ID to [TS]

  people when i'm buying things in America [TS]

  it's very annoying but square seems to [TS]

  be this company that tries to solve this [TS]

  problem by having a little either they [TS]

  just have like an iPad that's mounted in [TS]

  the store or it set up on the vendors [TS]

  phone that you can actually run the [TS]

  credit card through a little dongle that [TS]

  attaches to the phone and they can take [TS]

  credit card payments there and it seems [TS]

  like all of a sudden every single store [TS]

  everywhere in America is using one of [TS]

  these things as a way to try to make [TS]

  credit card payment accepting easier [TS]

  it's just like boom all of a sudden [TS]

  they're everywhere [TS]

  ok fine i have no problem with this I [TS]

  like things to be easier to but what I [TS]

  don't like is that on this system when [TS]

  you run your credit card they flip over [TS]

  the little iPad so that you can you sign [TS]

  your name but before you sign your name [TS]

  and every single store it asks you how [TS]

  much of a tip that you want to leave em [TS]

  every single time they flip over the [TS]

  ipad person looks into your eyes and [TS]

  there's a bunch of buttons will say like [TS]

  two three five ten other or whatever it [TS]

  is for tip amount and then there's one [TS]

  little button which is like no tip [TS]

  because you're a mean person and you [TS]

  have to tap that one and then it lets [TS]

  you sign the thing doesn't like a sound [TS]

  effect when you we had like the god yeah [TS]

  it totally should make a sound like that [TS]

  even if it doesn't make that sound it's [TS]

  psychologically feels like it yeah [TS]

  sounds right and this is one of these [TS]

  things like in America I also run across [TS]

  the situation of every single receipt [TS]

  has a space for a tip and i find that [TS]

  much more ignora below but i was so [TS]

  aware the summer of every single store [TS]

  using these square terminals feels like [TS]

  a little moment where you have to decide [TS]

  if you're going to leave a tip or not [TS]

  and I just I can't deal with it Brady i [TS]

  find it exhausting i find it like [TS]

  weirdly judgy on behalf of the store in [TS]

  some ways [TS]

  don't know how to get through this i [TS]

  mean i'm on your side with this crowd [TS]

  you know how I feel about tipping as [TS]

  well although I have to say a couple of [TS]

  times over the last few weeks I found [TS]

  myself in eating establishments in the [TS]

  UK where the service has been so poor [TS]

  and i have been so riled up and mad at [TS]

  the poor serving staff just ignoring me [TS]

  ordering a terrible job and me knowing [TS]

  they're going to get their salary at the [TS]

  end of the week anyway who that I have [TS]

  wished they had to work for their tips [TS]

  like I wish they had that incentive [TS]

  because if they had been nice i would [TS]

  have tipped them but I was just thinking [TS]

  there [TS]

  you've done a terrible job here and i [TS]

  have no retribution [TS]

  there's nothing i can do all I can do is [TS]

  pay my bill at the end and leave and [TS]

  you're going to get your salary and your [TS]

  boss isn't gonna know what a terrible [TS]

  job you did and I did wish they were [TS]

  incentivized you want to smite them [TS]

  no I don't want to punish them I want [TS]

  them to do a good job anything [TS]

  centralizing them is what will make them [TS]

  do a good job so be it [TS]

  because they sure as heck were [TS]

  incentivized by their salary because [TS]

  they were doing a terrible job so I have [TS]

  to say I a couple of times over the last [TS]

  few weeks I've had a little flicker of [TS]

  tipping does have its benefits but [TS]

  overall when all things considered and [TS]

  everything is measured a wide i agree [TS]

  with you I i would prefer a system where [TS]

  people were paid and we didn't have [TS]

  these weird tipping scenarios that come [TS]

  about [TS]

  yeah it's really frustrating and I don't [TS]

  like how it just becomes everywhere [TS]

  because now i don't understand and i [TS]

  have a couple of questions for you but I [TS]

  hope you can clarify for me about [TS]

  whether or not i'm supposed to tip in a [TS]

  particular since you ask is i I'm asking [TS]

  you because i feel like i have no idea [TS]

  ok ok so here's a question Brady k i'm [TS]

  in a hotel yeah i order room service [TS]

  yep the room service is delivered to the [TS]

  room yep do i tip yes or no yes [TS]

  okay how much do i tip do i tip like the [TS]

  person is a waiter or do I give them a [TS]

  couple bucks [TS]

  why don't know what you mean by do I tip [TS]

  them as a way i would just give them one [TS]

  or two bucks so what I mean by as a [TS]

  waiter is do I give them a percentage of [TS]

  the food bill [TS]

  no not not a percentage of the food bill [TS]

  ok this is this is my opinion by the way [TS]

  I'm not but listen I just I just need [TS]

  someone to tell me that's why would [TS]

  because [TS]

  I cannot tell you how much anxiety and [TS]

  frankly how much radically inconsistent [TS]

  tipping i did over the summer because it [TS]

  was a bit like I feel ambushed I don't [TS]

  know what to do right and I would just [TS]

  do something and it was always wrong [TS]

  okay you're saying room service just a [TS]

  couple bucks to me it's like that's the [TS]

  guy that delivers my pizza okay all [TS]

  right now the hotel that I'm saying at [TS]

  yep [TS]

  it ranges a complimentary ride to the [TS]

  airport from the hotel yet do you tip [TS]

  the driver [TS]

  yep yes okay how much do you tip the [TS]

  driver usually because I'm in a good [TS]

  mode with those people that five bucks [TS]

  five bucks [TS]

  ok so they get five dollars yeah people [TS]

  driving you okay [TS]

  it feels to me like if it's a [TS]

  complimentary ride I shouldn't have to [TS]

  prepare for it in advance with money in [TS]

  my pocket but ok ok if it wasn't the [TS]

  driver who decided to let you have a [TS]

  free [TS]

  yeah right but presumably the driver [TS]

  isn't there because now he is physically [TS]

  changed the inside of the car presumably [TS]

  he's there because he's getting paid to [TS]

  drive [TS]

  yeah probably relate yeah isn't that how [TS]

  society like I hope we find people to do [TS]

  that I hope so i don't know how they [TS]

  rock and Wyoming but then yeah okay so [TS]

  now here is the one that I found the [TS]

  most confusing and I don't know what to [TS]

  do ok so my wife and I were in Las Vegas [TS]

  there was a restaurant we were going to [TS]

  a bunch of times [TS]

  okay in a restaurant is the clearest [TS]

  thing I understand what's going on and i [TS]

  figure i guess like fifteen to twenty [TS]

  percent tip is normal okay i understand [TS]

  i can do this [TS]

  ok here's the question though yep when I [TS]

  go to that restaurant to pick up take [TS]

  away food because my wife and I don't [TS]

  want to actually spend any time in the [TS]

  restaurant yet we just want to go back [TS]

  to the room yep and they give me the [TS]

  food yet what do i do then do I tip them [TS]

  then no no tip at all no tip no tip at [TS]

  all on the food not from Brady not from [TS]

  Brady ok [TS]

  complicating factor you've been there so [TS]

  many times that the waitress obviously [TS]

  knows who you are and it's the same [TS]

  waitress who would normally serve you [TS]

  handing you the food that you're taking [TS]

  away do you tip yes or no [TS]

  well no but if the amount is close to a [TS]

  round number [TS]

  I might do a cheeky keep the change in a [TS]

  wink haha ok yeah ok keep the change in [TS]

  a little wing because all this person [TS]

  has done his hand you the food they [TS]

  haven't liked being shuttling back and [TS]

  forward five or six times and making [TS]

  conversation with you and smiling a big [TS]

  nice all they've done is literally [TS]

  picked up a bag and put it in your hand [TS]

  but if you've got a relationship with [TS]

  the person and you're going to continue [TS]

  that relationship and you want to keep [TS]

  the report going and you want good [TS]

  service next time then it can't hurt [TS]

  just to grease the wheels but i think [TS]

  there's no tip expectation you think [TS]

  there's no tip expectation they're [TS]

  certainly not from a certainly not from [TS]

  you [TS]

  mhm okay final one yep the bellman who [TS]

  takes your bags at a hotel normally of [TS]

  course I hold on to my bags with my dear [TS]

  life because I just want to avoid the [TS]

  typical situation right yes it's like [TS]

  even if I obviously need help yeah i'm [TS]

  going to suffer if it's gonna greatly [TS]

  inconvenienced myself because of the [TS]

  anxiety over the situation horse but [TS]

  when i'm traveling with other people [TS]

  there are many bags and it is too much [TS]

  for one man to handle so I need the help [TS]

  bellman when he takes your bags do you [TS]

  tip him then as opposed to what at the [TS]

  end when he drops them off ya know you [TS]

  you tip when they're dropped off at the [TS]

  end [TS]

  ok ok but here was my conundrum on the [TS]

  final day when I was in Las Vegas [TS]

  yeah bellman has to take my bags yeah [TS]

  and our flight isn't until much later in [TS]

  the day so we're leaving them at the [TS]

  hotel [TS]

  yeah bellman takes the bags yeah i [TS]

  tipped the bellman because i want the [TS]

  bags taken well care of during the day [TS]

  while i'm gone when I retrieved the bags [TS]

  it's the same bellman who is retrieving [TS]

  them again do i tip the same bellman [TS]

  again like it every time I touch this [TS]

  person no I'm sorry you made you've [TS]

  already made a mistake you shouldn't [TS]

  have tipped him at the stuff I've made a [TS]

  mistake okay so you don't tip it when [TS]

  you give bag yeah you do it at the end [TS]

  when you get bags yeah and like maybe [TS]

  it's not the same person but that stuff [TS]

  evens out there and it swings and [TS]

  roundabouts i'm sure they take it in [TS]

  turns up being the first guy and the [TS]

  last guy so they get their equal share [TS]

  of the tips but i would have given the [TS]

  tip at the start I could be wrong [TS]

  because i know in America speaking tip [TS]

  before they order their drinks which i [TS]

  think is strange but I know that's a [TS]

  thing so what [TS]

  oh god okay i didn't even know that bar [TS]

  sometimes you put a tip on the bar [TS]

  before you even audio drinks [TS]

  because she was like you're laying down [TS]

  a marker that you're a good person to [TS]

  give good service to but yes he once [TS]

  again that just seems like bribery that [TS]

  totally seems like bribery and the [TS]

  restaurant at the hotel that I'm [TS]

  thinking of they had a sign we said [TS]

  please do not accept bribes from patrons [TS]

  which I thought was really funny [TS]

  ok Thank You Brady i will keep these as [TS]

  ironclad rules [TS]

  yeah for when to tip when not to tip it [TS]

  got it right let me ask you something [TS]

  yeah I know what your answer is going to [TS]

  be but let me ask the wider community of [TS]

  teams what they think because this is a [TS]

  conundrum i sometimes have and I had the [TS]

  other day if you see someone or your you [TS]

  may have interaction with them or you [TS]

  may just be in passing in there a [TS]

  stranger and there is something that [TS]

  they could have pointed out to them for [TS]

  example a big tags out at the back of [TS]

  their clothing or something is hanging [TS]

  out of you know their trousers or [TS]

  something do you alert them like they're [TS]

  fly is unzipped is the kind of thing [TS]

  that yeah that's another example that [TS]

  some might get some more embarrassing [TS]

  example but that's another example do [TS]

  you point this out to strangers would [TS]

  you say to a stranger on the bus or the [TS]

  Train [TS]

  excuse me the tags coming out the top of [TS]

  the back of your shirt you might want to [TS]

  tuck it in because otherwise it's going [TS]

  to be out all day would you do that or [TS]

  would you just sort of stereo shoes and [TS]

  pretend it's not happening [TS]

  yeah no don't get involved can get [TS]

  involved yep that's the thing i got [TS]

  involved once and it was not a good but [TS]

  with someone's tag being out was your [TS]

  starbucks thing where you know tried to [TS]

  help someone basically there was a [TS]

  situation where I thought that a woman's [TS]

  skirt was riding up in an embarrassing [TS]

  way and she was a stranger and i wanted [TS]

  to point out and then she yelled at me [TS]

  because she was just wearing yoga pants [TS]

  and like a funny shirt that was sort of [TS]

  half tucked in as like okay [TS]

  never again like sorry i thought i was [TS]

  going to be helping you out but I [TS]

  learned one never get involved and to i [TS]

  discovered what yoga pants which I've [TS]

  never seen before at least seven good [TS]

  came of it but yea once again this kind [TS]

  of thing is never rewarded don't do this [TS]

  and so now I would not get involved [TS]

  definitely not okay with you though [TS]

  would you be like oh hey [TS]

  well you just reach over and tuck the [TS]

  tag in on their shirt which 1i wouldn't [TS]

  do that [TS]

  usually at a guy would let go but [TS]

  sometimes I point things that i was at [TS]

  our wedding recently and there was a [TS]

  lady there who like something that was [TS]

  going wrong with our show very obviously [TS]

  and I just felt like she would want to [TS]

  know it's a wedding and she was looking [TS]

  all pretty and it was a special day and [TS]

  she wanted everyone to think she was [TS]

  pretty and I didn't want people to be [TS]

  talking about the thing wrong with her [TS]

  shoe or Dan you know two hours later she [TS]

  looked down and there are no I thought [TS]

  it would diminish her day so I just [TS]

  quietly pointed out to ensure our thank [TS]

  you so much and she fixed it up and then [TS]

  she could go back to looking fabulous so [TS]

  I felt like I did her a favor but [TS]

  generally i probably wouldn't say [TS]

  anything [TS]

  yeah but you can get away with these [TS]

  things because you just give a smile and [TS]

  that Brady wink just a wink [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah there's a little tea [TS]

  sounds you give them the link and [TS]

  everything's okay i'm not a particularly [TS]

  good winger gray i don't think i have a [TS]

  sexy wink [TS]

  I don't know I've never really been a [TS]

  big one to use the winger maybe I don't [TS]

  maybe this is a secret weapon I should [TS]

  we all out but I've never been a big [TS]

  drinker [TS]

  it seems like this is something that you [TS]

  should do you seem like a man who get [TS]

  away with links now I'm not charismatic [TS]

  enough I've got friends for winkers [TS]

  I don't have the charisma polar wink off [TS]

  you don't okay yeah i'm a few levels [TS]

  below being able to be a winker you've [TS]

  got to have a certain cheeky charm that [TS]

  that I haven't got [TS]

  I think you have a cheeky time Brady I [TS]

  think you should try it out what could [TS]

  possibly go wrong i have a small amount [TS]

  of cheeky challenge but i do not have [TS]

  anywhere near enough cheeky chap to be a [TS]

  winker this episode has been sponsored [TS]

  by the people of fracture and well I'm [TS]

  localized to talk about them this week [TS]

  because i've just received my own [TS]

  fracture order teams will be aware that [TS]

  I recently received a certificate from [TS]

  the University of Nottingham and while [TS]

  the original is safely stored here in my [TS]

  office I thought my parents might [TS]

  appreciate their own copy so rather [TS]

  ingenious Lee I thought I scanned my [TS]

  deployment high-resolution uploaded to [TS]

  the fracture website and days later [TS]

  received two copies printed onto a piece [TS]

  of glass in the fracture style with the [TS]

  laser-cut rigid backer ready to hang [TS]

  straight out-of-the-box on walls back in [TS]

  Australia [TS]

  now I thought this was pretty clever and [TS]

  I told the fracture people about it only [TS]

  to learn this is actually a pretty [TS]

  popular thing today so maybe I'm a bit [TS]

  late to the party but it's still a cool [TS]

  thing and if you have a special document [TS]

  like a birth certificate degree some [TS]

  kind of prize and you'd like to display [TS]

  and a clever way while preserving the [TS]

  original well maybe you're onto [TS]

  something here to give it a try or maybe [TS]

  just a more conventional photo from your [TS]

  digital album go to fracture made.com / [TS]

  podcast there's a page where you can [TS]

  tell them what podcast you come from [TS]

  hopefully hello internet and you get ten [TS]

  percent off your first order seriously [TS]

  give them a look it's a really cool [TS]

  service great way to immortalize your [TS]

  memories photos on glass ready to hang [TS]

  fracture me.com / podcast and by the way [TS]

  fractures also running another little [TS]

  contest for a child listeners to win one [TS]

  of three hundred dollar gift cards to [TS]

  win one this time you will tweet or [TS]

  Instagram your favorite pet photos could [TS]

  be a dog a cat even a boa constrictor [TS]

  they say and tagged with act fracture me [TS]

  and hashtag pets of H I the deadline to [TS]

  be in the running for the vouchers is [TS]

  September 26 2016 and in fairness i'm [TS]

  not eligible to win them so I'll spare [TS]

  your more photos of audrey and Lulu but [TS]

  I do look forward to seeing what [TS]

  pictures of your pets are posted [TS]

  alright say I have a toothbrush update [TS]

  oh now my longtime listeners loyal Tim's [TS]

  may be aware of the early days of hello [TS]

  internet we had some discussions about [TS]

  toothbrushes and I like to think I kind [TS]

  of introduced you to the world of [TS]

  electric toothbrushes which you then [TS]

  adopted with gasto is that what happened [TS]

  I don't think that's what happened at [TS]

  all thought you started using electric [TS]

  toothbrushes after i recommend it i feel [TS]

  like i'm pretty sure i use an electric [TS]

  toothbrush because my wife recommended i [TS]

  don't think this was you [TS]

  well that is possible she has got nicely [TS]

  but anyway the thing is I then went from [TS]

  electric toothbrushes back to [TS]

  the old leaf and twigs you like to cola [TS]

  i went back to and manual toothbrush and [TS]

  my reason was as i put it at the time [TS]

  was I want to brush my teeth more [TS]

  violently right I want to really hit [TS]

  them hard push hard and when you do that [TS]

  with electric toothbrushes they usually [TS]

  stop on things like that it sounded like [TS]

  you just got a crap electric toothbrush [TS]

  well maybe that maybe that's just to me [TS]

  seems like an incredible Brady [TS]

  characteristic and they want to feel [TS]

  like it's hard and effective even if [TS]

  it's less effective I like a good hard [TS]

  as nails brush of the taste and I like [TS]

  to you know push hard because I feel [TS]

  like I'm really attacking the things in [TS]

  my mouth that shouldn't be there [TS]

  so anyway right that's what happened now [TS]

  this seems fine with modern toothbrush [TS]

  technology can handle this but in [TS]

  another retrograde step when my argue my [TS]

  wife recently purchased wooden [TS]

  toothbrushes and i believe i sent you a [TS]

  photo of one of these because we have a [TS]

  very beautiful bathroom and it's very [TS]

  old-fashioned and my wife didn't think [TS]

  that plastic colorful modern [TS]

  toothbrushes looked very nice in the [TS]

  antique cuts that we were keeping the [TS]

  toothbrushes in yes I can imagine this [TS]

  say she found these wooden toothbrushes [TS]

  which is basically instead of the usual [TS]

  plastic handles would but it's still got [TS]

  you know synthetic bristles it's not [TS]

  like wooden bracelet with dad yet if you [TS]

  give that time [TS]

  give it time for a day we're gonna we're [TS]

  gonna get the goats here one that later [TS]

  this seems inevitable to me because for [TS]

  the listeners when I have been to [TS]

  brady's house I always have the same [TS]

  thought which is this house is [TS]

  magnificently appointed is beautiful it [TS]

  is decorated really well and it is the [TS]

  height of comfort and charm for 1910 [TS]

  everything in the house looks like this [TS]

  is these pillows are amazing in 1910 [TS]

  these bath towels are amazing in 1910 [TS]

  and so the fact that you are now slowly [TS]

  but inevitably approaching this dental [TS]

  hygiene is amazing for 1910 I am 0% [TS]

  surprise so its wooden toothbrush today [TS]

  goats bristles to that's what's gonna [TS]

  happen [TS]

  yeah what are we gonna do after the [TS]

  vital episode then we're gonna have to [TS]

  actually get one of those cylinders [TS]

  those metal cylinders that you stay if [TS]

  you really are just wait but i was still [TS]

  giving it the big treatment and I was [TS]

  having a toothbrush the other day [TS]

  because you know I brush my teeth once [TS]

  awake and now had act that I brush my [TS]

  teeth twice a day and I was giving it a [TS]

  really big smash because i wanted to [TS]

  give him a good claim and something [TS]

  completely unexpected happen not [TS]

  unexpected uh-huh to fresh so pretty [TS]

  much exploded in my mouth and like [TS]

  before I knew what was happening my [TS]

  mouth was just full of bristles like the [TS]

  bristles just went everywhere i'll send [TS]

  you a photo because I thought grades [TS]

  gonna love this [TS]

  basically the wood fired me and it sort [TS]

  of split up at the head of the [TS]

  toothbrush so my toothbrush was not hard [TS]

  as nails and this is what happened [TS]

  this is why we make toothbrushes had a [TS]

  plastic Brady we don't do it for no [TS]

  reason we do it for this reason so that [TS]

  it doesn't explode in your mouth you [TS]

  don't end up with a mouth full of [TS]

  splinters missiles if you're lucky and [TS]

  splinters if you aren't right this is [TS]

  why we use modern thing well I thought [TS]

  I'd give you this one little victory I [TS]

  thought you'd get a cheap thrill out of [TS]

  saying out technology fire me so [TS]

  spectacular [TS]

  it's not a cheap thrill it's just it's [TS]

  the image of inevitability is what it is [TS]

  pretty is just seems like obviously it's [TS]

  going to happen to be fair my wife's [TS]

  toothbrush is still going great guns i [TS]

  think i am quite hard wearing on my [TS]

  toothbrushes [TS]

  maybe that's the case but you know what [TS]

  an answer of just be more delicate with [TS]

  your things is a terrible answer who now [TS]

  you have to tiptoe around all your [TS]

  possessions now I think you're [TS]

  ridiculous for wanting to brush your [TS]

  teeth really roughly but if you want to [TS]

  brush your teeth really roughly your [TS]

  toothbrush should stand up to that rough [TS]

  treatment that's my perspective on it [TS]

  yeah treat that toothbrush rough [TS]

  yeah and this this wooden one well I [TS]

  guess this is the real question are you [TS]

  going to be able to go back to plastic [TS]

  toothbrushes or is wood here to stay [TS]

  well I'm a necessity is the mother of [TS]

  invention as they say i mean iĆ­ve had [TS]

  to go back to my reserve plastic [TS]

  toothbrushes immediately because [TS]

  I didn't even know where my wife found [TS]

  wouldn't toothbrushes we haven't ordered [TS]

  any more but I don't think I right back [TS]

  after this i think you know for me once [TS]

  wouldn't toothbrushes but i think i'm [TS]

  going to compromise I'm not going [TS]

  electric but I can't go back to wood so [TS]

  it's gonna have to be plastic manual [TS]

  there you go listeners if you were [TS]

  considering a wooden toothbrush don't or [TS]

  if you are just be careful don't brush [TS]

  to her now [TS]

  don't do that be careful is a terrible [TS]

  answer that's not a good answer at all [TS]

  don't do i do look lovely [TS]

  they do look nice but the aesthetics of [TS]

  the things should not be considered over [TS]

  the actual usability and practicality of [TS]

  the thing that is a terrible decision I [TS]

  don't always agree with that i think [TS]

  sometimes you can compromise like you [TS]

  look at people like a weekend driving [TS]

  around in some old vintage car and [TS]

  they're getting blown to bits and they [TS]

  look freezing cold with their red-faced [TS]

  and they're all drugged up and they're [TS]

  going along the motorway at five miles [TS]

  an hour and some 1920 car that's not [TS]

  practical but it's still beautiful and [TS]

  it's still fun you know what I think [TS]

  every time I see one of those cars yeah [TS]

  I have two thoughts [TS]

  yeah one I do agree with you ready I [TS]

  think wow that's a good-looking car they [TS]

  don't make cars like that i saw a bunch [TS]

  of classic American cars this summer and [TS]

  every single time I thought good-looking [TS]

  car and the second thing I think is if I [TS]

  was king [TS]

  I would ban all cars older than 10 years [TS]

  from driving on the road at all [TS]

  they're just deathtraps those old cars [TS]

  you shouldn't be allowed to drive them [TS]

  if I was king [TS]

  I wouldn't let you drive them well thank [TS]

  goodness you're not King a I'm just [TS]

  trying to save lives [TS]

  ok so great I've had quite a good track [TS]

  record just lightly with the getting [TS]

  cocky you're getting cocky buddy [TS]

  now i have had a very good track record [TS]

  lately with view of photos have been [TS]

  cherry-picking because i still get quite [TS]

  a few and i really appreciate them keep [TS]

  them coming people and I do try to [TS]

  cherry-pick those one or two that I [TS]

  think we'll stay on the show and gray [TS]

  will allow i have received one that is [TS]

  like no other and i'm going to give it a [TS]

  try i want to tell you about it [TS]

  but I'm taking a risk this time because [TS]

  i think what people do while listening [TS]

  to hello Internet corner or whatever we [TS]

  call this corner [TS]

  this is the Maryland flag of view photos [TS]

  because there is so much going on and [TS]

  it's so dense and it's so full of detail [TS]

  and it's such a attack on your senses [TS]

  that maybe it's too much blue want to [TS]

  give it go ok now you know I like [TS]

  setting the same gray know you do so [TS]

  settle in ok because i want to talk [TS]

  about one of my favorite television [TS]

  shows and that is air crash [TS]

  investigation [TS]

  okay yeah you know or as many Americans [TS]

  now at i think it's called Mayday in [TS]

  American come on pick up time unless [TS]

  think it's not very exciting very [TS]

  exciting air crash investigator sounds [TS]

  like you're unwrapping something just [TS]

  get a little something to eat while I'm [TS]

  settling in [TS]

  that's why I just I figure we talking [TS]

  for a while so I'm unwrapping a protein [TS]

  bar [TS]

  I'm listening I want me talking to them [TS]

  ok so god it's distracting me with your [TS]

  protein bahaha can you put it down [TS]

  look up or down to and feel that you're [TS]

  listening I'm doing nothing but [TS]

  listening [TS]

  you sound like you've got your mouth [TS]

  full of food mm dr. tell me when you are [TS]

  I'm sir I'm set it doesn't sound like [TS]

  you're set [TS]

  okay I'm good I'm good [TS]

  yeah have you ever watched an episode of [TS]

  the show gray the only time I have seen [TS]

  anything of air crash investigator is I [TS]

  saw somebody else watching it on a plane [TS]

  right and quickly diverted my eyes from [TS]

  that is all I have ever seen the show i [TS]

  love how you always get his name wrong [TS]

  as well it's like such a dead thing to [TS]

  persuade his second Roger yeah that's [TS]

  good [TS]

  I don't want to change that never [TS]

  stopped getting that name wrong ok so [TS]

  basically they're all sorts of [TS]

  components to the show there's like you [TS]

  know interviews and archive footage but [TS]

  a key part of any episode of air crash [TS]

  investigation or Mayday [TS]

  little reenactments and then there are [TS]

  various roles for actors in these [TS]

  reenactments and they're usually pretty [TS]

  standardized and the main world's you [TS]

  can have is passenger which i think is [TS]

  pretty simple your job is to sort of [TS]

  look happy and do up a seat belt and [TS]

  think everything's wonderful and then [TS]

  scream and be terrified for a couple [TS]

  minutes at the end right [TS]

  the key role i guess the Marquis row you [TS]

  can have is pilot the way you have to [TS]

  say lots of technical jargon from a [TS]

  script that's obviously been given to [TS]

  you from a transcript and you have to [TS]

  press buttons and look very assured and [TS]

  suave except for the last five minutes [TS]

  when you have to look absolutely [TS]

  terrified and put the sticks and press [TS]

  buttons and little things that app but i [TS]

  think the unsung hero role of any [TS]

  episode of air crash investigation is [TS]

  flight controller who and these are the [TS]

  people that have to sit behind a screen [TS]

  and say lots of things like keep your [TS]

  bearing 473 [TS]

  roger that see you on the other side and [TS]

  it's a pretty boring row except for your [TS]

  role in the last five minutes when you [TS]

  have to look at a blank screen and the [TS]

  puzzled and think where did that thing [TS]

  go that was on my screen a minute ago [TS]

  these are the key roles yeah yeah yeah I [TS]

  just terrified thinking about all the [TS]

  things that can go wrong with airplanes [TS]

  you don't sorry [TS]

  so anyway we had an email from a chat [TS]

  named Mike now I think Mike is based in [TS]

  Canada Lou I'm an actor who recently [TS]

  played a small role on your favorite TV [TS]

  show air crash investigation also known [TS]

  as Mayday [TS]

  I played an air traffic controller in [TS]

  the episode about the Lear jet crash of [TS]

  pro golfer payne stewart in 1999 one of [TS]

  my most interesting plane crashes by the [TS]

  way [TS]

  oh I don't think I'll win an Emmy for [TS]

  the part but I got to work with very [TS]

  nice people and I listened to my [TS]

  favorite podcast on the lunch break his [TS]

  photographic proof from my fake air [TS]

  traffic control station so gray here's a [TS]

  picture of mike acting looking at the [TS]

  screen looking all serious that's from [TS]

  the US it appears to be episode one of [TS]

  season 16 which is called air crash [TS]

  investigation deadly silence have to say [TS]

  he looks very serious he looks like a [TS]

  really believable [TS]

  craft control guy yet so well done mark [TS]

  but here's the piece de resistance gray [TS]

  coming through now here's a picture from [TS]

  the other angle of my cat is pretend air [TS]

  traffic control station holding his [TS]

  phone listening to an episode of Hello [TS]

  internet who I like this how like [TS]

  internet on the set of air crash [TS]

  investigation [TS]

  this is a fantastic things people do [TS]

  while listening to the podcast I feel [TS]

  like what more can happen there [TS]

  we've peaks like you know I thought air [TS]

  force one doesn't get better than that [TS]

  fighter jet doesn't get better than that [TS]

  I thought we reached the pinnacle of [TS]

  aviation listening experiences and I [TS]

  could only bad dream of [TS]

  no no that's not true because i don't [TS]

  think i would have had the imagination [TS]

  to have dreamt of someone acting on air [TS]

  crash investigation listening to hello [TS]

  Internet in their lunch break i could [TS]

  not have imagined that but you know what [TS]

  it has happened that is fantastic [TS]

  he has no buttons on his phone on the [TS]

  physical phone on his desk that's [TS]

  obviously the red phone that you pick up [TS]

  out so I mean you don't need buttons [TS]

  when you pick up the red fine because [TS]

  that can that can only mean one thing [TS]

  good news because it's happy birthday [TS]

  that's what that means no Mike did send [TS]

  me a link to the episode on youtube and [TS]

  other operating I can watch him in [TS]

  action because i haven't seen that [TS]

  episode on real TV but when I went to it [TS]

  said this video is no longer fight never [TS]

  ending to a copyright by thought about [TS]

  your channels LLC so I think Mike you [TS]

  may have sent me a link to a little bit [TS]

  of freebooting there it's okay because [TS]

  this is a fantastic listener photo that [TS]

  just adds to the perfect storm of hello [TS]

  internetting this of it that he tried to [TS]

  show me a freebooter deficit it really [TS]

  does this is absolutely great [TS]

  that is fantastic so you think this is [TS]

  the the pinnacle of aviation listener [TS]

  photos [TS]

  well what I'm wondering is can people [TS]

  download podcasts in space [TS]

  I mean yeah you must be able listen to [TS]

  podcast in space does NASA allow them to [TS]

  have the bandwidth for that I wonder [TS]

  I've mastered that the stuff they watch [TS]

  out there they've got a really fast [TS]

  connection up to [TS]

  the International Space Station these [TS]

  days i do they ya must make it tolerable [TS]

  I mean you can watch constant streaming [TS]

  HD video of the space station itself you [TS]

  know views from alive thats download [TS]

  that's not necessarily there upload [TS]

  speed download upload I bet it's not a [TS]

  symmetrical connection now you're right [TS]

  you are but I imagine it's pretty high i [TS]

  don't know what the uplink speed is will [TS]

  find that out that people know I [TS]

  mentioned most astronauts would load up [TS]

  there a podcast play with hello internet [TS]

  before they leave the planet anyway just [TS]

  to be sure that's what most astronauts [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah of course now i agree with you that [TS]

  has to be the case okay Lupo no we [TS]

  haven't had any news of hello Internet [TS]

  in space yet but i don't i I'm still not [TS]

  sure that space would trump air crash [TS]

  investigation [TS]

  it's a question vestigation it is a bit [TS]

  of her hello Jeanette perfect storm here [TS]

  this is fantastic [TS]

  thank you Mike for sending this in to [TS]

  Brady defined by the way always send [TS]

  your photos to breathe should keep [TS]

  playing Crash gonna going for a minute [TS]

  or let's do that while their plane [TS]

  crashed cornering yep there's something [TS]

  that you wanted to discuss plane crash [TS]

  corner wise well like most people with [TS]

  an interest in aviation incidence my [TS]

  fade this week did fill up with chatter [TS]

  about an airship crash there had been a [TS]

  crash of an airship and there was video [TS]

  footage over and everyone was linking to [TS]

  the video and as you can imagine this [TS]

  was cause for some excitement airship [TS]

  crash I mean there's one thing you think [TS]

  isn't there [TS]

  Hindenburg you think and this is gonna [TS]

  be big-time this is going to be [TS]

  spectacular [TS]

  so I click on this link to watch this [TS]

  airship crash a dread that it had like [TS]

  click the pole and things and I thought [TS]

  this is going to be amazing and it was [TS]

  this airship called a land 10 i think [TS]

  it's cold it's the biggest aircraft in [TS]

  the world it had its first flight the [TS]

  week before this was a second flight and [TS]

  it crashed [TS]

  can you believe on a second flight so i [TS]

  watch this video and i have to say not [TS]

  the most exciting aircraft have ever [TS]

  said gray have you seen this you send [TS]

  this video to me [TS]

  and said I want to show you this air [TS]

  crash [TS]

  yeah and of course because i'm not [TS]

  really in this world when you say [TS]

  airship it doesn't even cross my mind [TS]

  about the Hindenburg I'm just thinking [TS]

  like a plane and so I loaded up and go [TS]

  ahh thats weird i didn't really know [TS]

  that we still made these things and I [TS]

  think this is like a relic of the past [TS]

  and and then watching the video is very [TS]

  slow [TS]

  I wasn't even able to watch the whole [TS]

  thing I had to jump around in my youtube [TS]

  player because i like I cannot wait for [TS]

  this airship to slowly approached the [TS]

  ground and very gently make contact it [TS]

  was more of an air kiss than air crash [TS]

  wasn't it kinda guy i don't know the [TS]

  motion to describe it I'm sure on the [TS]

  inside it was not like this but from [TS]

  watching it occur it looks like it's a [TS]

  gentle bounce of the beach ball in [TS]

  moon's gravity right is what it looked [TS]

  that's that's where watching this is [TS]

  like before I'd seen the footage i read [TS]

  that i had nosedived and also give Wow [TS]

  and nose-diving airship that's amazing i [TS]

  would describe it as more of a belly [TS]

  flop meets a nosedive almost like a chin [TS]

  flop sort of gently falls down chin [TS]

  first I mean the exciting thing is the [TS]

  cockpit of this airship happens to be [TS]

  right where it hit the ground who so it [TS]

  did give the cockpit of a smash [TS]

  thankfully the pilots weren't injured [TS]

  I can't see how they could be really [TS]

  good it's for this on their beach ball [TS]

  on the moon but the thing it did make me [TS]

  think is just like an airship can't seem [TS]

  to even do a crash properly and food as [TS]

  much as I like things old-school and [TS]

  we've been talking about how I like [TS]

  things old-school in this episode [TS]

  airships to me feel like the technology [TS]

  or the invention that humanity just [TS]

  refuses to let go haha [TS]

  despite the fact it's just not gonna [TS]

  happen like it's like airships don't [TS]

  realize we're just not that into them [TS]

  and they just keep trying and like [TS]

  obviously the Hindenburg was different [TS]

  with the hydrogen and that you know we [TS]

  don't use the flammable gases anymore [TS]

  but apparently this thing this thing [TS]

  called air land at ten was originally [TS]

  commissioned by this company they're [TS]

  going to make it for like the US [TS]

  military [TS]

  he is like a surveillance type thing and [TS]

  then obviously the military came to [TS]

  their senses and was thinking what the [TS]

  hell will be drinking with a client [TS]

  contract but the company said are now [TS]

  we're going to keep going we're gonna [TS]

  make him into passenger things are going [TS]

  to find all these other uses for them [TS]

  and they're talking about all these [TS]

  things they think that their land attend [TS]

  could be used for but i just think that [TS]

  airships like I think they're kind of [TS]

  cool and you know there is a romance to [TS]

  them but they're just not gonna happen [TS]

  I like that people keep making them and [TS]

  it keeps [TS]

  it keeps [TS]

  they entertained but i would want to be [TS]

  buying shares and put it that way I [TS]

  wouldn't want my money to be on the [TS]

  block [TS]

  i'm looking at the at the wikipedia page [TS]

  for these airships yeah it's hot and [TS]

  vibrant air vehicles is the company and [TS]

  air land 10 is this is the biggest [TS]

  aircraft in the world is nearly a [TS]

  hundred meters long [TS]

  I mean just looking at pictures of [TS]

  Zeppelin's and all of this stuff [TS]

  this to me looks like a transport [TS]

  vehicle that might be best suited for a [TS]

  human colony on Jupiter it seems like on [TS]

  earth [TS]

  anyway this is poorly optimized in every [TS]

  way [TS]

  its enormous ik take up an enormous [TS]

  amount of space [TS]

  yeah it seems like they hold a minuscule [TS]

  amount of cargo or passengers and they [TS]

  seem to travel very slowly so slowly [TS]

  they can even crash properly but also I [TS]

  mean what the military doing even [TS]

  thinking about these things like the [TS]

  military the last people like we all [TS]

  know the saying you brought a knife to a [TS]

  gunfight they bring them balloon to a [TS]

  gunfight [TS]

  yeah like yeah it's not stealthy it's [TS]

  not still be it must be the easier you [TS]

  know a kid with a slingshot could [TS]

  probably bring it to the ground [TS]

  uh-huh anyway there is one thing i was [TS]

  looking at some pictures over and [TS]

  understand Eunice this is one picture of [TS]

  it which has been doing the rounds of it [TS]

  lightly and it's on the wikipedia page [TS]

  and so I think it's a publicity shot of [TS]

  of the front of the airship tell me your [TS]

  thoughts on this [TS]

  it looks like a but it looks like looks [TS]

  like big bomb it's completely does and [TS]

  funnily enough as sophisticated as [TS]

  grades are great and seemed to be one of [TS]

  my friends who recognizes these funny [TS]

  pictures more than anyone so I thought [TS]

  you'd be amused by and i even i thought [TS]

  that looks like a bumps are grazed [TS]

  differently going to think it looks like [TS]

  a bump and then I went was doing a bit [TS]

  more googling about the airship because [TS]

  it's actually called Martha Quinn that's [TS]

  not new and I think that's an [TS]

  interesting name [TS]

  you know we like discussing how things [TS]

  are named so I decided to look up why is [TS]

  it called Martha Quinn and I googled [TS]

  Martha Quinn and the first article i [TS]

  found was mail online i'm afraid to save [TS]

  anyway and the headline is the flying [TS]

  bomb in quick man except that [TS]

  is officially christened Martha Quinn [TS]

  and that this was the point I found out [TS]

  that this thing has been called the [TS]

  flying bomb for ages and has been names [TS]

  and people have been doing pictures of [TS]

  it and so obviously is it's not a nice [TS]

  look and in case you're wondering the [TS]

  flying bomb being named Martha Quinn is [TS]

  named after the company CEOs wife is [TS]

  Martha because i thought this must be [TS]

  some aviator I've never heard of you [TS]

  know I thought it was gonna be a clever [TS]

  name but it was just not phillip quinn [TS]

  he's the chairman of hybrid vehicles and [TS]

  his wife Martha Quinn sounds like a [TS]

  derring-do person from the 1920s it does [TS]

  it's ok it's a cool name but I can [TS]

  already imagine her in a black-and-white [TS]

  photograph with her goggles on [TS]

  about to step aboard in a Zeppelin I can [TS]

  totally see this but apparently that I [TS]

  wonder what she thinks when she opens up [TS]

  her daily mile and it says the flying [TS]

  bomb is officially christened Martha [TS]

  Quinn thanks love [TS]

  thanks for that thanks for making my [TS]

  name or two right by putting on [TS]

  something that looks like a bum and [TS]

  crashed on a second flat and not only [TS]

  any bum an enormous bomb [TS]

  perhaps the biggest that humans have [TS]

  ever built but looking through the [TS]

  wikipedia article the only thing that I [TS]

  see here that is remotely oh maybe [TS]

  that's what modern airships could be [TS]

  used for is that the original design [TS]

  plan was for long-term unmanned aerial [TS]

  vehicles [TS]

  yeah for surveillance and target [TS]

  acquisition yeah and it feels like okay [TS]

  I can kind of see that I know that [TS]

  there's a big question about [TS]

  surveillance and equipment in the [TS]

  military and this idea of being able to [TS]

  have a essentially permanent never has [TS]

  to land fleet of surveillance vehicles [TS]

  yeah and maybe I could I can imagine [TS]

  that an airship when you just fill it [TS]

  all up it has very low power [TS]

  requirements it could serve as an [TS]

  unmanned surveillance vehicle in an area [TS]

  where you don't really care about being [TS]

  sneaky like you already have troops on [TS]

  the ground and you're just going to fill [TS]

  the skies with a bunch of these vehicles [TS]

  so may we that's a legitimate use case [TS]

  but otherwise they do just seem comical [TS]

  and looking like a gigantic bomb does [TS]

  not help ya with the ridiculous picture [TS]

  using Thank You internet Brady has sent [TS]

  me a clever photoshop combination of kim [TS]

  kardashian and the gigantic but i'll [TS]

  leave it to your imagination and [TS]

  possibly the show okay so speaking of [TS]

  Technology self-driving cars great yet [TS]

  again i am going to mia culper apologize [TS]

  and fold your fate because every day [TS]

  that goes by I realize how right you [TS]

  were and how wrong I was about how [TS]

  quickly self-driving cars were going to [TS]

  be a thing like I knew they were going [TS]

  to be a thing but this is just moving so [TS]

  quickly now [TS]

  yeah i just had a quick little thing [TS]

  that I want to put in the show notes so [TS]

  i think it's a real moment so last time [TS]

  we talked about self-driving cars i [TS]

  think i mentioned that uber getting into [TS]

  the business of self-driving cars to me [TS]

  was the most interesting news because if [TS]

  there was any company have would push [TS]

  ahead relentlessly being openly [TS]

  disdainful about having to pay all of [TS]

  the employees and not caring it was uber [TS]

  and I thought we might get there first [TS]

  but it seems like out of nowhere this [TS]

  company i have never heard of called new [TS]

  tana me has partnered with the [TS]

  city-state of singapore who doesn't love [TS]

  city-states and on Thursday are going to [TS]

  have the world's first fleet of [TS]

  self-driving cars operating in singapore [TS]

  it's a small number it's going to be six [TS]

  there are some limitations about where [TS]

  in the city they're going to go but it's [TS]

  going to be the first time that there [TS]

  are actual taxis that people can use [TS]

  that will not be driven by humans [TS]

  anywhere in the world there's a whole [TS]

  bunch of asterisks on this but i still [TS]

  think it is a interesting point to be at [TS]

  and they've gone for a cute-looking [TS]

  car then ubers Apache helicopter version [TS]

  right yes [TS]

  movers evil empire cars while cool not [TS]

  friendly [TS]

  yeah autonomy is going with the with the [TS]

  friendly look it looks like they're [TS]

  beating uber to do this by just a few [TS]

  weeks because it's obviously is it [TS]

  Pittsburghers at philadelphia i can't [TS]

  remember where Hooper's doing that it is [TS]

  is America [TS]

  yeah whoever is going to do the same [TS]

  thing with the self-driving cars what [TS]

  they're both doing just for the time [TS]

  being and for safety records that they [TS]

  are going to actually have somebody in [TS]

  the car like as a just in case is yeah [TS]

  that doesn't can I think it totally [TS]

  counts because if the person is not [TS]

  driving if they're just there for [TS]

  basically insurance purposes I view this [TS]

  is like whatever I wouldn't be surprised [TS]

  if this is just entirely to allay [TS]

  people's concerns just for the time [TS]

  being but like if humans aren't touching [TS]

  the wheel is good enough for me it [TS]

  doesn't matter if there's somebody in [TS]

  the front here your fried but it's still [TS]

  not quite the side it's not the magic [TS]

  moment when there's just nothing there [TS]

  it's not like KITT from Knight Riders [TS]

  and no no it's not kit from Knight Rider [TS]

  coming to pick you up here so that's why [TS]

  i was saying before like there's a bunch [TS]

  of asterisk around this but I'm still [TS]

  saying this is a functional self-driving [TS]

  car even if it's only in a confined area [TS]

  even if there's still somebody in the [TS]

  front seat is just another example to me [TS]

  of like working technology a little bit [TS]

  surprised still about the fast push for [TS]

  the individual taxes because I still [TS]

  always think like the low-hanging fruit [TS]

  on this is self-driving long-haul [TS]

  trucking like I really thought that [TS]

  would be the very first place that this [TS]

  happens even just like on the interstate [TS]

  self driving trucks you know going from [TS]

  like a depot outside of New York to a [TS]

  Depot outside of San Francisco and he [TS]

  was picking up the last mile but it [TS]

  looks like human taxis are going to be [TS]

  the first one and moving fast go [TS]

  self-driving cars still counts even if [TS]

  there's someone in the front seat which [TS]

  does make it a little [TS]

  what's the current state of play with [TS]

  nomenclature I've seen Otto is popping [TS]

  up a little bit lightly but I have you I [TS]

  have nothing that i have not seen that [TS]

  when i'm not sure if i should say this [TS]

  but i am i'm working on a video which [TS]

  may or may not be out either just before [TS]

  or just after this podcast comes out [TS]

  but I am mentioning self-driving cars in [TS]

  the video i had a long think about it [TS]

  like how do I want to do this and for [TS]

  clarity's sake i decided to go with [TS]

  self-driving car because I I don't [TS]

  mention them very much in the video and [TS]

  I thought you know what I don't want to [TS]

  do I don't want to try to push what I [TS]

  think is a term that is not going to win [TS]

  for the difficulty of immediate [TS]

  understanding for someone watching the [TS]

  video so even in my own style guide i [TS]

  have back to Hondo even though i totally [TS]

  love it here is a question then in one [TS]

  of your videos would you use the term [TS]

  freebooting for copyright infringement [TS]

  and uploading unauthorized media i would [TS]

  not right i think if i was making a [TS]

  video i'm trying to think this [TS]

  circumstance where it would come up like [TS]

  if it wasn't just a jokey reference in a [TS]

  jokey way be happy to do freebooting and [TS]

  I think if I was doing another video on [TS]

  copyright infringement I would not use [TS]

  the term freebooting I'd obviously you [TS]

  tracking you break my heart just a [TS]

  little bit i'm sorry Brady but i think [TS]

  it's the same thing about when you're [TS]

  making a video it's a question of [TS]

  clarity and immediate understandability [TS]

  to the audience like the point of [TS]

  language is to convey an idea [TS]

  I'm just cautious about using any kind [TS]

  of terminology sometimes you've got to [TS]

  be a later [TS]

  sometimes you've gotta take the flame [TS]

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  great there was a new story for people [TS]

  at all i was about to say for people who [TS]

  don't know no one knows except you and I [TS]

  we intend to record this episode a few [TS]

  days ago and we had a technical problem [TS]

  it was a graze and I hasten to add his [TS]

  computer basically died on us [TS]

  yep so we didn't record the episode but [TS]

  about an hour before we were going to [TS]

  record the episode a big news story [TS]

  broken was all over my twitter feed and [TS]

  it was all over the internet and this [TS]

  was the discovery of an exoplanet around [TS]

  the star Proxima Centauri which is the [TS]

  closest star [TS]

  to the Sun and the second closest star [TS]

  to earth after the Sun so this was a big [TS]

  deal and before we talk about that and I [TS]

  do want to talk about it but before we [TS]

  do it was a very interesting reminder to [TS]

  me of something that great always talks [TS]

  about about the importance of new [TS]

  stories because at the time it seemed [TS]

  like such a cracking story and I'll i [TS]

  was reasonably excited about it and I [TS]

  think we've got to talk about on the [TS]

  podcast it's awesome like it's going to [TS]

  be so much to talk about and then we had [TS]

  to cancel their recording and do a [TS]

  couple of days later I thought I can't [TS]

  still going to be a big stories to a [TS]

  really interesting and you know what two [TS]

  or three days later [TS]

  nothing it's just disappeared like it [TS]

  never happened [TS]

  it's disappeared into the ether like all [TS]

  these stories day it was a nice little [TS]

  reminder of Gray's little stories about [TS]

  new stories that make a deal but that's [TS]

  what I'm saying [TS]

  yeah every one of these seems like it's [TS]

  the most important thing in the moment [TS]

  yeah and lo han these three days later [TS]

  yeah it's already totally disappeared [TS]

  but before I put more coal onto the fire [TS]

  of grace Magnus let us move on because i [TS]

  am a bit cynical about exoplanets to [TS]

  which we may come to the reasons for [TS]

  that in a minute [TS]

  oh yeah but i do want to talk about the [TS]

  story because even though it has died [TS]

  down a bit [TS]

  I think it's still pretty cool story and [TS]

  I know literally nothing about this and [TS]

  i would like to hear what the new story [TS]

  was I haven't heard about it in in that [TS]

  show these these astronomers it was [TS]

  announced to the european southern [TS]

  observatory press conference because [TS]

  they've been using ESO telescopes will [TS]

  do the work [TS]

  this team has discovered that there is [TS]

  they will call it an earthlike or [TS]

  earth-sized planet orbiting the star [TS]

  Proxima Centauri which is the closest [TS]

  star to a son and its orbiting the star [TS]

  in what they call the habitable zone [TS]

  this is the zone at which temperatures [TS]

  would allow water to be a liquid so it [TS]

  wouldn't be frozen solid or a wooden boy [TS]

  away because it's too close this gets [TS]

  everyone excited because this raises the [TS]

  possibility of life you've got liquid [TS]

  water you've got a rocky planet which [TS]

  could you know sustain life [TS]

  that's the story and not show for people [TS]

  who are not particularly interested in [TS]

  astronomy and stars which from my [TS]

  experience is most people i should point [TS]

  out that Proxima Centauri is a very [TS]

  small starts a red dwarf star and [TS]

  amazingly considering its the closest [TS]

  star to us after the Sun you cannot see [TS]

  it in the sky [TS]

  that's our fainted is so the nearest [TS]

  star to us [TS]

  you cannot see you can see Alpha [TS]

  Centauri and is part of the Alpha [TS]

  Centauri system which is two stars alpha [TS]

  and beta Centauri and they think but [TS]

  they're not sure interestingly enough [TS]

  for something reasonably close they [TS]

  think Proxima Centauri is sort of part [TS]

  of this system it's a triple system that [TS]

  Proxima Centauri's a little p star far [TS]

  away orbiting very slowly around the two [TS]

  bigger ones so there we go that's the [TS]

  story now I think this is really [TS]

  interesting obviously finding exoplanets [TS]

  has become an industry and it's actually [TS]

  an automated process now little most [TS]

  exoplanets found automatically and i [TS]

  might point out that this new planet [TS]

  they have found around proxima centauri [TS]

  they haven't seen it they can't see it [TS]

  all they do is they measure the [TS]

  gravitational effect that this planet [TS]

  has on the star as it goes around just [TS]

  like the star has a huge effect on the [TS]

  planet the planet has a little effect on [TS]

  the star and the style balls a little [TS]

  bit because the planets going around [TS]

  this little wobble of the star causes a [TS]

  very slight movement in the light from [TS]

  the star will get red shifted or [TS]

  blue-shifted presumably relative to us [TS]

  and they measure this very accurately [TS]

  and from that they deduce a whole bunch [TS]

  of things about the planet which is [TS]

  terribly disappointing when you hear [TS]

  that and you realize no one's actually [TS]

  seen the planet they just say it's there [TS]

  because they measure a wobble right [TS]

  where people want is a photograph of a [TS]

  planet with jungles lots of people are [TS]

  looking for and astronomers who are very [TS]

  good at marketing themselves are very [TS]

  aware of that and they never announce [TS]

  anything without artist impressions of [TS]

  everything to help [TS]

  so if you go online you see a million [TS]

  pictures of this planet going around the [TS]

  star and views from its surface and all [TS]

  sorts of things but obviously these are [TS]

  just all made up [TS]

  I think this is quite interesting in the [TS]

  world of exoplanet hunting though [TS]

  because people are always trying to up [TS]

  the ante with how many planets they [TS]

  found and you [TS]

  howarth like it could be and how good [TS]

  they're getting out up but in a way [TS]

  finding a planet in the habitable zone [TS]

  that is Earth like around the closest [TS]

  star to us it like ends the game in a [TS]

  way doesn't know that's the holy grail [TS]

  of exoplanets oh yeah if you could find [TS]

  any exoplanet that would cause the most [TS]

  excitement it would be on the closest [TS]

  star to ask that's the easiest to get to [TS]

  and it wouldn't be some supergiant and [TS]

  it wouldn't be something you couldn't [TS]

  leave honor to be a rocky one where [TS]

  water could be liquid and that now [TS]

  they're saying they've got up so why I'm [TS]

  not for a second suggesting this is the [TS]

  end of the world of exoplanet hunting [TS]

  and things like that [TS]

  obviously it's still just the beginning [TS]

  in a way this announcement has trumped [TS]

  everything any announcement that comes [TS]

  after this to me seems like kind of [TS]

  inferior doesn't like that's an [TS]

  excellent point [TS]

  this is Top Trumps this is the one this [TS]

  is the dream one you're totally right [TS]

  every announcement after this one is by [TS]

  definition boring our yeah it's like all [TS]

  could this have humans one day [TS]

  well yes but wouldn't we go to Proxima [TS]

  Centauri first we've already found one [TS]

  like right so that's one thing I thought [TS]

  about it the other thing I thought about [TS]

  it was if the nearest star to us has a [TS]

  planet like this is pretty much [TS]

  suggesting that planets our dime a dozen [TS]

  at night like if even the next star [TS]

  overs got a planet going around like [TS]

  this makes exoplanet seem incredibly [TS]

  unremarkable now important and [TS]

  interesting but it seems to me like [TS]

  these are just a thing there we no [TS]

  longer can be excited by this this is [TS]

  one of these things that over my course [TS]

  of time learning about physics and you [TS]

  know doing physics and university that [TS]

  this is the thing that has gone from we [TS]

  speculate that there must be exoplanets [TS]

  out there that was when i was in college [TS]

  to at the time when I was teaching [TS]

  physics in the UK remember trying to [TS]

  like we've the story for students about [TS]

  how like we used to not know and now we [TS]

  know there are a whole bunch of them but [TS]

  we don't know [TS]

  how frequent they are like we're just [TS]

  trying to raise the probability and the [TS]

  more frequent they seem to be then [TS]

  obviously the more likelihood there is [TS]

  that there's life somewhere but yes [TS]

  you're right if we've found one on the [TS]

  star that is closest to us it doesn't [TS]

  really prove anything from a statistical [TS]

  vantage point it certainly makes it feel [TS]

  like oh there must be planets around [TS]

  every star it must be almost impossible [TS]

  for a cloud of gas to condense into a [TS]

  star without planets [TS]

  yeah I like it must be almost improbable [TS]

  for that too not occur obviously bearing [TS]

  situations where you have multiple stars [TS]

  and yeah gravity just screws everything [TS]

  up and but yeah I don't you mean [TS]

  so the other thing and you kind of [TS]

  touched on in a way there that had this [TS]

  has got me thinking about and this is [TS]

  life elsewhere in the universe to be [TS]

  galaxy whatever I don't know where you [TS]

  stand on that likelihood of that you [TS]

  know whether you think it's almost [TS]

  inevitable it's highly unlikely but the [TS]

  thing that has made me realize the way [TS]

  this exoplanets have evolved in these [TS]

  announcements have happened is that if [TS]

  there is life somewhere else in the [TS]

  universe and humans discover it it's not [TS]

  going to be like Close Encounters of the [TS]

  Third Kind obviously we're a spaceship [TS]

  lands and they come out and say hello [TS]

  but will have now realized it's also not [TS]

  going to be like this incredible contact [TS]

  moment with jodie foster out amongst the [TS]

  satellite dishes [TS]

  it's just gonna be a gradual series of [TS]

  press releases its going to be we found [TS]

  this exoplanet now we found this one [TS]

  we've just found a signature that's [TS]

  characteristic of this gas now we found [TS]

  a signature that's character is this [TS]

  now we found some evidence that suggests [TS]

  this and we're just gonna get I think if [TS]

  we are to discover life elsewhere and [TS]

  it's to be announced [TS]

  we're just going to be weaned on to the [TS]

  idea and I think it's going to be [TS]

  surprisingly unremarkable when it [TS]

  happens [TS]

  what do you say that well you're talking [TS]

  about life elsewhere not intelligent [TS]

  life well I even intelligent life i [TS]

  think it could be sufficiently gradual [TS]

  it's going to be a series of press [TS]

  releases culminating with a press [TS]

  release from the species that were for [TS]

  getting in touch with yeah I do [TS]

  I think we're going to see bits of [TS]

  evidence that it could be hang on [TS]

  there's a one-percent chance that this [TS]

  could be caused by a civilization and [TS]

  then they're going to be backward steps [TS]

  and forward steps and i think it's going [TS]

  to be quite gradual and the press [TS]

  conferences are going to be exciting for [TS]

  a day or two and then there's going to [TS]

  be an earthquake and then there's going [TS]

  to be a tsunami and then there's going [TS]

  to be the Olympics and people are going [TS]

  to calm down about it and then there's [TS]

  going to be another press release and I [TS]

  think the realization that there is even [TS]

  intelligent life elsewhere when it [TS]

  finally happens is going to be quite [TS]

  different to what I imagined it might [TS]

  have been the dramatic moment that [TS]

  changed us forever who I don't think it [TS]

  is going to be that I think we're going [TS]

  to be quite blase about it by the time [TS]

  it happens and that's a controversial [TS]

  thing to say want not controversial [TS]

  maybe just a stupid thing to say but I [TS]

  suddenly think that I just think we are [TS]

  so hard to impress now as humans and the [TS]

  way science works is we kind of just [TS]

  everything sneaks up on us to the point [TS]

  that very little amazes us anymore [TS]

  before you suggested this I would agree [TS]

  with the idea that just like with most [TS]

  things even the announcement I'd like we [TS]

  know we found a planet and there's life [TS]

  I not intelligent life but we can see [TS]

  this creatures running around and plants [TS]

  and stuff [TS]

  yep i think most people wouldn't care [TS]

  like that the vast majority of people [TS]

  would be unmoved by this piece of [TS]

  information what you're talking even if [TS]

  it was like antelopes and trees not just [TS]

  bacteria [TS]

  yeah i think most people just sort of [TS]

  wouldn't care and i agree with you that [TS]

  we would almost certainly be walking [TS]

  close to that in a very slow ways it [TS]

  would be unremarkable i feel like i am [TS]

  convinced that if if we are in a [TS]

  situation where through our telescopes [TS]

  we discover intelligent life elsewhere [TS]

  that is unable to communicate with us [TS]

  for some reason right like other still [TS]

  building mud huts or whatever but [TS]

  they're obviously intelligent yeah I [TS]

  think you're right i could see a [TS]

  scenario where this is just because it's [TS]

  press releases is kind of boring and [TS]

  it's not actually that big of a deal [TS]

  it's because it's incremental if they [TS]

  tomorrow found mud huts on Mars it would [TS]

  be a big deal [TS]

  but that's not how the mud huts will get [TS]

  found yeah but yeah that's exactly what [TS]

  we may be mud huts and maybe not mother [TS]

  hats and then you know but also if it's [TS]

  a situation where if there is no contact [TS]

  moment it becomes a thing that is just [TS]

  abstract in most people's life [TS]

  oh there's people building huts on [TS]

  planets elsewhere that we can't [TS]

  communicate with yeah okay as long as [TS]

  they're not gonna fire a laser right the [TS]

  White House I don't really care [TS]

  yeah like it doesn't affect things and I [TS]

  think that the vast majority of people [TS]

  have an amazing ability to not care [TS]

  about things that affect them directly [TS]

  and so yeah i agree with you that I can [TS]

  foresee a scenario where intelligent [TS]

  life is greeted with a met its discovery [TS]

  like okay or like this exoplanet story [TS]

  it's big news for three days and then [TS]

  something else happens and then it [TS]

  becomes a quiz question that you ask [TS]

  people what is the name of the star [TS]

  around which the first intelligent life [TS]

  was discovered yeah like oh I should [TS]

  know it actually yeah yeah yeah I also [TS]

  say sometimes wonder when I go [TS]

  especially when you go somewhere where [TS]

  you can see lots of stars and you're [TS]

  looking at them all weather in a [TS]

  thousand years humans the future dresses [TS]

  will look back at you and Mae and think [TS]

  how adorably cute it was that we used to [TS]

  look at the Stars and think maybe there [TS]

  wasn't anything up there and that the [TS]

  universe will be teeming with life and [TS]

  people will look back at us and think is [TS]

  not funny that you know Brady and [TS]

  cgpgrey used to look up at the sky and [TS]

  think are we alone maybe we are alone [TS]

  but if we're not and the universe is [TS]

  teeming with life we will seem so funny [TS]

  to them like we would seem so adorably [TS]

  naive that we used to look up at the sky [TS]

  and think it was all empty and there was [TS]

  nothing up there no one up there do you [TS]

  ever think about that [TS]

  I feel like surely we have touched upon [TS]

  this before but that you know we had [TS]

  that AI discussion a while back where I [TS]

  said this is a thing that I've changed [TS]

  my mind on and that has rocketed to like [TS]

  the top of the list of things that I am [TS]

  concerned about in the future [TS]

  yeah like the very top maybe I could [TS]

  list three things and i put AI and in [TS]

  that list of three things [TS]

  one of the other things that would be in [TS]

  that top 3 which ever since i became [TS]

  aware of it as has seemed like an [TS]

  incredible concern is the Fermi paradox [TS]

  this question of where is the other life [TS]

  in the universe and my take on it my [TS]

  starting assumption is that if there's [TS]

  life once there should be life more than [TS]

  once and the universe is really big so [TS]

  my gut feeling is there should be life [TS]

  everywhere but the Fermi paradox of [TS]

  course like why haven't we actually [TS]

  contacted anybody [TS]

  yeah and I think about it a lot I think [TS]

  it's a super super concerning question [TS]

  there's a couple of bland answers to it [TS]

  but I actually find the fact that we are [TS]

  at a point in our technology where we [TS]

  can conceivably receive messages and we [TS]

  can send messages over great great [TS]

  distances and we have got nothing back [TS]

  I think it is one of the most concerning [TS]

  things to think about when when you [TS]

  start thinking about it seriously [TS]

  so yeah I think about a lot and i find [TS]

  it worrying i find it deeply worrying i [TS]

  can see why you would think about a lot [TS]

  because it's really interesting and it's [TS]

  fun to think about [TS]

  I can see what worries you I can see why [TS]

  I worries you because I robot could come [TS]

  and rip your head off tomorrow right [TS]

  like or something could go wrong here on [TS]

  earth a bit like people you know just [TS]

  being selfish i don't see why the Fermi [TS]

  paradox worries you [TS]

  I can see why it perplexes you but I [TS]

  can't see why it would like I didn't use [TS]

  the word scared I can't see why would [TS]

  scare you or concerned you would just be [TS]

  like are like a crossword puzzle you [TS]

  can't solve its just oh gosh that's [TS]

  really tough i can't answer that [TS]

  why does it worry you it's concerning to [TS]

  me because one of the most probable [TS]

  conclusions to draw is that there is [TS]

  something in the universe which is anti [TS]

  civilization in some ways like the [TS]

  universe is more hostile to civilization [TS]

  then we would think that it is okay and [TS]

  and that there are very many things that [TS]

  can possibly [TS]

  cause that but it the the conclusion to [TS]

  draw is like the only civilizations that [TS]

  survive are the civilizations that don't [TS]

  broadcast their existence [TS]

  ok and we are broadcasting alex is right [TS]

  and we are broadcasting our existing so [TS]

  it's almost like the silence that's [TS]

  raining down on us from space scares you [TS]

  in the same way that if you walked into [TS]

  a city that was completely empty and [TS]

  quiet you would be scared you be [TS]

  thinking why the new people here was i [TS]

  quiet okay same space you're thinking [TS]

  why the hell is so quiet up there when I [TS]

  probably shouldn't be it is amazing that [TS]

  you pick that analogy because that is [TS]

  literally the feeling I have when I look [TS]

  at the sky sometimes there is a feeling [TS]

  of like we are one room lit in a city [TS]

  full of empty lights right like that is [TS]

  concerning that is a thing to note that [TS]

  maybe everybody else with the lights off [TS]

  knows something that we don't write or [TS]

  like they're not there for some reason [TS]

  but they were there is of course with [TS]

  all these things get into the realm of [TS]

  like things to speculate about and I [TS]

  know that that's good man that makes the [TS]

  night sky scary doesn't it that makes [TS]

  looking up at the night sky go from [TS]

  something that's beautiful and wonderful [TS]

  to something that's deeply deeply [TS]

  terrified I don't have it all the time [TS]

  the the closest i can compare this to is [TS]

  when i am in Hawaii and I look out at [TS]

  the ocean i have this feeling of vertigo [TS]

  that's very hard to explain but it's [TS]

  like this feeling of like this island is [TS]

  incredibly isolated from everywhere else [TS]

  yeah that is always when I'm in Hawaii [TS]

  so the night sky is not like that but it [TS]

  is a thing that when i look at the night [TS]

  sky if my mind starts going into that [TS]

  place like I do feel uncomfortable like [TS]

  there should be activity up here but [TS]

  there is nothing so great we often joke [TS]

  about if you were king of the world [TS]

  things you wouldn't wouldn't do if you [TS]

  were king of the world would you start [TS]

  imposing restrictions on what was [TS]

  getting away from Earth like sending [TS]

  messages out for start and maybe even [TS]

  sheltering arms general radio doors i [TS]

  would you send us to ground basically [TS]

  inside guys we need to shut the hell up [TS]

  let's put it this way i would at the [TS]

  very least form a team of people to look [TS]

  into [TS]

  but give me a cost analysis of what kind [TS]

  of things in the world admit broadcast [TS]

  that could be heard you know ten [TS]

  light-years away like what equipment do [TS]

  we have on earth is doing that right now [TS]

  and what would it mean to ban this I [TS]

  wouldn't least look into it I wouldn't [TS]

  rule it out as I go this is just a crazy [TS]

  idea if it came back that we know we [TS]

  don't have an enormous amount of [TS]

  technology that is doing this and say [TS]

  like well maybe we should sit down the [TS]

  things that are I would look into it [TS]

  I'm not saying I would do anything about [TS]

  it if it came back and they said like oh [TS]

  we have to spend fifty percent of our [TS]

  gdp on this and be like okay well I have [TS]

  to weigh our potential destruction of [TS]

  civilization versus a loss of fifty [TS]

  percent of GDP and like maybe it's not [TS]

  sensible to do i would investigate I [TS]

  would investigate Brady that's what i [TS]

  would do what do you think of having [TS]

  people who are appointed to speak with [TS]

  aliens if they have a contact us [TS]

  well I mean what my view on it is ok you [TS]

  know you gotta you gotta plan for all of [TS]

  the scenarios but I i don't think the [TS]

  empty night sky holds a lot of promise [TS]

  for getting in touch with other aliens [TS]

  yeah there's a couple of reasons why the [TS]

  night sky might be empty that are benign [TS]

  but I feel like we've had city running [TS]

  for a long time obviously it's a big sky [TS]

  to search but I feel like if there was a [TS]

  civilization that came before us that we [TS]

  would know about it if they wanted to [TS]

  get in touch with us sort of like you [TS]

  know we mentioned the Guns Germs and [TS]

  Steel episode about how even on the same [TS]

  planet the technological difference [TS]

  between the Europeans and the Native [TS]

  Americans was just too vast to be [TS]

  overcome that in the universe if there's [TS]

  other intelligent life it you know [TS]

  statistically it's very unlikely that we [TS]

  are the first I mean even if you imagine [TS]

  a civilization that's 200 years ahead of [TS]

  where we are now since technological [TS]

  progress is exponential it seems like [TS]

  they should have borderline magic [TS]

  technology and so if they wanted to get [TS]

  in touch [TS]

  they could get in touch I think maybe [TS]

  they could then maybe they're just [TS]

  waiting for something maybe they're [TS]

  waiting for us to solve the Riemann [TS]

  hypothesis other waiting for us to do [TS]

  our first work drive out of [TS]

  after World War three I would be [TS]

  comfortable with you being on that [TS]

  committee grey I wouldn't mind you being [TS]

  one of the people who speaks for us as [TS]

  inhuman as I think you are I think you'd [TS]

  be a good person for that I allow you to [TS]

  be on that committee I think you would [TS]

  make wise kohls oh yeah i feel very [TS]

  flattered but I'm not sure that would [TS]

  necessarily be a good car to have me [TS]

  beyond that [TS]

  on that group of people now why would [TS]

  you not be a good person to speak with [TS]

  the aliens [TS]

  what is it about you that is a short [TS]

  coming or deficiency [TS]

  I think my difficulty of speaking with [TS]

  humans does not bode well [TS]

  two nights ago that's your strength not [TS]

  astray because they're not hearing us [TS]

  that's one of the reasons I think you'd [TS]

  be so good that's the reason i think i [TS]

  would be terrible i would be the worst [TS]

  person because I wouldn't be able to [TS]

  resist making a joke or like saying so [TS]

  Joe ironic i could be in the wrong mode [TS]

  or bit Moody and a bit grumpy and I'd [TS]

  say something I shouldn't say or like [TS]

  they could not treat me with sufficient [TS]

  respect because you have that respect [TS]

  yeah at least you acknowledge your [TS]

  insurer comics in that way but I think [TS]

  you are immune to all those things you [TS]

  have a lack of humanity for lack of a [TS]

  better term would be a great strength [TS]

  you wouldn't do anything rash you would [TS]

  be very careful [TS]

  I don't think he'd be over ordered I [TS]

  think you do it well great iight you're [TS]

  in love okay i want you to do it i [TS]

  wanted to i didn't realize you were you [TS]

  were in charge of making the selection [TS]

  but I guess it's good to have the people [TS]

  making that decision be secretive but so [TS]

  thank you for putting me on the [TS]

  committee i gotta i will try to be [TS]

  prepared for a scenario that i think is [TS]

  incredibly unlikely [TS]

  yeah let's just hope it doesn't happen [TS]

  during your month-long and your vacation [TS]

  just right yeah that's true if you're [TS]

  sending me a message in August that the [TS]

  aliens have landed on earth it is very [TS]

  likely that 1i will not receive your [TS]

  message and 2i have missed that news [TS]

  right [TS]

  I will not be aware of this so yes 11 [TS]

  months out of the year good that was [TS]

  sort of land on the lawn of the white [TS]

  house and we'll say can you just wait [TS]

  two weeks we're gonna race studies do [TS]

  not disturb on [TS]

  yes but like i said i think that is the [TS]

  vastly less likely probability more [TS]

  likely probability is sudden [TS]

  inexplicable death descends from the sky [TS]

  and consumes the earth that's more [TS]

  likely yeah that's just that's going to [TS]

  be bad but anyway that's funny thing [TS]

  about this exoplanet the right like I [TS]

  feel like this somehow changes the [TS]

  calculus a little bit like what's your [TS]

  gut feeling do you think there's life on [TS]

  this planet any kind of life not [TS]

  intelligent life absolutely not and [TS]

  there's been a few things that have been [TS]

  less well reported about this discovery [TS]

  ok tell me tell me one being that the [TS]

  star a red dwarf stars particular red [TS]

  dwarf star Proxima Centauri is quite a [TS]

  hostile star it sends out a lot of [TS]

  flares it's not as friendly as a son if [TS]

  you want to call this unfriendly which [TS]

  is an interesting calling itself so it's [TS]

  very hostile now it was probably more [TS]

  hostile before so any chance of life [TS]

  being there is probably being constantly [TS]

  quashed or has been quashed in the past [TS]

  any atmosphere may well have been [TS]

  obliterated it would not be a very life [TS]

  conducive place lots of astronomer terms [TS]

  like earth-like and habitable do not [TS]

  mean like the earth or write that can be [TS]

  habit of that we think say I think it's [TS]

  very unlikely there's life on this [TS]

  planet and so far most of the experts [TS]

  I've heard talk about it have said [TS]

  similar things it's only like the normal [TS]

  news that talks about things like I the [TS]

  possibility of life or bay the [TS]

  possibility of us are going there like [TS]

  some kind of noah's ark but yeah the [TS]

  second possibility is dumb [TS]

  I mean I forget Alpha Centauri is what [TS]

  like four light-years away yeah it's [TS]

  obvious the system's about for [TS]

  approximately bit over four light-years [TS]

  away right okay so yeah it going there [TS]

  obviously not a realistic probability [TS]

  when I think about life existing i [TS]

  always think about the extreme files you [TS]

  know that these like little bacteria or [TS]

  creatures that live in seemingly [TS]

  shockingly hostile environments like the [TS]

  things living at the bottom of the ocean [TS]

  by those trenches [TS]

  yeah we're 3 where you have water that [TS]

  can't boil even though it's hundreds and [TS]

  hundreds of degrees in temperature [TS]

  because of the pressure as I oh but [TS]

  there's little [TS]

  creatures that live in this environment [TS]

  that's kind of what I'm thinking about [TS]

  like oh if there's a planet if there's [TS]

  water it just seems to me like water so [TS]

  dramatically increases the probability [TS]

  help me understand that then because I [TS]

  never understand this like I always [TS]

  think it's arrogant that we assume life [TS]

  is so intrinsically linked to water and [TS]

  therefore if they've got liquid water on [TS]

  the planet [TS]

  you know you've got laughs what is so [TS]

  special about water that connects it to [TS]

  life in terms that are arrogant and just [TS]

  aren't like what every sort of life [TS]

  we've ever seen before involves water [TS]

  because that seems very narrow-minded [TS]

  today that is narrow-minded but my view [TS]

  of it is this is a kind of [TS]

  anthropomorphic viewpoint here where [TS]

  we're talking about [TS]

  we know that on earth water is important [TS]

  for life on Earth and so it seems to me [TS]

  quite reasonable to extract from that [TS]

  that where else there is liquid water [TS]

  there is the possibility of life right [TS]

  and so I mean at least my understanding [TS]

  of it with chemistry is that water acts [TS]

  as this agent that allows vastly more [TS]

  chemical interactions to occur and so if [TS]

  you just have a place where there's [TS]

  water you're going to get more random [TS]

  chemistry and all you need is like a [TS]

  prion like just a chemical that [TS]

  reproduces itself through total random [TS]

  chance just by combining with other [TS]

  chemicals in the same environment like [TS]

  that's all you need to get this ball [TS]

  rolling downhill that will slowly slowly [TS]

  accelerate overtime and so that's why I [TS]

  think like Oh once there's water my gut [TS]

  instinct is there's something in there [TS]

  that's like life even if it's very very [TS]

  very basic you know like bacteria virus [TS]

  level kind of reproduction but that's [TS]

  kind of my gut feeling [TS]

  yeah but of course we have a sample size [TS]

  of one this is the whole thing right [TS]

  maybe life is incredibly rare [TS]

  maybe it's not we just don't know we [TS]

  don't have any real way to know but I [TS]

  leaned on the side of i think it is more [TS]

  probable than [TS]

  rare that's my personal guess anyway I [TS]

  was having a bit of a read about this [TS]

  area and you know proxima centauri and [TS]

  and plans to travel there and how we [TS]

  could go there and obviously there are [TS]

  all sorts of things that are put out [TS]

  their suggestions and one that i was [TS]

  reading about that got a bit of [TS]

  publicity a while ago but it kind of [TS]

  passed me by and I had never read much [TS]

  about it before but I read a bit about [TS]

  it today it was cold breakthrough [TS]

  starshot and it was this one wasn't you [TS]

  know it was yuri milner the venture [TS]

  capitalists and stephen hawking was [TS]

  involved you know every time anyone [TS]

  makes a billion dollars a straightaway [TS]

  start some kind of space operation [TS]

  apparently that's what to do now here [TS]

  that's what you do and all these people [TS]

  involved is upon and i was reading about [TS]

  the concept and the concept i think is [TS]

  basically to create a swarm of these [TS]

  tiny little space ships that are like [TS]

  measured in centimeters across each one [TS]

  with a a lifestyle of about sort of four [TS]

  meters in size and you send them all up [TS]

  into a sort of high up to know just [TS]

  above the earth and then you open up [TS]

  these sales and then you fire these [TS]

  incredibly incredibly powerful lasers at [TS]

  these light sales and then you send off [TS]

  all of these this swarm of thousands and [TS]

  thousands of spacecraft at speeds of [TS]

  about i think it's ten or twenty percent [TS]

  speed of light so ridiculous spades you [TS]

  send them off to the Latino Proxima [TS]

  Centauri Alpha Centauri and they go past [TS]

  and hopefully get a few pictures or [TS]

  whatever on the way past and it's this [TS]

  like you notice we incredible incredible [TS]

  thing i was reading about on this squat [TS]

  small wikipedia page and my favorite [TS]

  thing was then the last subheading on [TS]

  the wikipedia page was technical [TS]

  challenges i think is the road in like [TS]

  four or five sentences some of the [TS]

  technical challenges you have making a [TS]

  swarm of spaceships gonna get twenty [TS]

  percent the speed of life after being [TS]

  fired from lasers from their people [TS]

  they're so Curt about at the end says [TS]

  according to the economist at least a [TS]

  dozen of the off-the-shelf technologies [TS]

  will need to improve by orders of [TS]

  magnitude this tablet and sometimes [TS]

  wikipedia is wonderful with [TS]

  understatement as well as a social [TS]

  statement [TS]

  yes wikipedia does have sometimes at the [TS]

  lego and understated sarcasm for some [TS]

  years these articles which I do this [TS]

  love i love the idea of swarm because if [TS]

  you're thinking is sending a swarm of [TS]

  spaceships because inevitably a whole [TS]

  bunch will get knocked out but who all [TS]

  the stuff you bump into on the way so [TS]

  it's just increasing your odds by [TS]

  sending a swarm i love that I love the [TS]

  idea that maybe no one would make it [TS]

  into immortality one of these little to [TS]

  call them star chips one of these little [TS]

  statues would make it take that picture [TS]

  was this also to me really touches upon [TS]

  the whole idea if we ever do have first [TS]

  contact [TS]

  it seems inevitable that it's going to [TS]

  be contact through essentially an [TS]

  autonomous system if something lands on [TS]

  earth to say hello and welcome to the [TS]

  universe we are an intelligent life it [TS]

  seems so unlikely to me that it's going [TS]

  to be a living alien is going to [TS]

  essentially be an autonomous probe of [TS]

  some kind and there's this idea that [TS]

  we're sending out a whole bunch of [TS]

  little tiny space ships out there and [TS]

  into the into the universe [TS]

  it seems to me like a similar idea like [TS]

  if you want to try to get in touch with [TS]

  other life forms like and you want to [TS]

  have a physical thing go that way you [TS]

  have to build little autonomous ships [TS]

  send them out into the universe and i [TS]

  think that's that's how if anything ever [TS]

  lands on earth that's the way it's going [TS]

  to be you know and I think if we're ever [TS]

  going to get serious into the space [TS]

  exploration game it seems like well [TS]

  obviously what we're going to do with [TS]

  some point is build little [TS]

  self-replicating spaceships and send [TS]

  them out into the universe right now [TS]

  we'll build a little thing just like we [TS]

  have 3d printers now build a machine [TS]

  that can replicate itself send it off [TS]

  into the universe to do exploration [TS]

  little pre-recorded message little [TS]

  Nylund gay flag little tiny healing gear [TS]

  flag [TS]

  yeah but that is also related to my AI [TS]

  concern one of the very reasons why I [TS]

  worry about something that destroy [TS]

  civilizations [TS]

  I can imagine some programming going [TS]

  wrong right and ships that reproduce [TS]

  themselves infinitely competing with [TS]

  other ships that reproduce themselves [TS]

  infinitely and suddenly you have just a [TS]

  turf war for resources in the universe [TS]

  and machines that just turn planets into [TS]

  machines that explore the universe [TS]

  endlessly for no real purpose you know [TS]

  what what is pioneer isn't that has that [TS]

  big gold record attached to the Pioneer [TS]

  probe we could attach our episode alvine [TS]

  or episode 21 of these probes that gets [TS]

  sent out there so haven't seen the [TS]

  episode like landing on Proxima Centauri [TS]

  B the exoplanet mention that this is the [TS]

  vision of the end of the universe a [TS]

  robot that reproduces itself to explore [TS]

  the universe carrying a vinyl record of [TS]

  hello internets all across the skies [TS]

  devouring all before it I tell you what [TS]

  that would be aware did you listen to [TS]

  hello internet photo that would surpass [TS]

  air crash investigation i listen to it [TS]

  as the harbinger of the end of my [TS]

  civilization [TS]

  all right grace o been another good [TS]

  episode along with going and asking [TS]

  people to have a look at excellent album [TS]

  cover [TS]

  we can actually set home workout which [TS]

  we haven't done for a while [TS]

  yeah we haven't done it for a long time [TS]

  but I have to say we get asked to watch [TS]

  movies and by far and away the [TS]

  number-one request from people is a [TS]

  movie called we were debating about how [TS]

  to pronounce we believe it is pronounced [TS]

  ex machina or X machinima but i'm going [TS]

  with ex machina as in days ex machina [TS]

  this is by far and away the number one [TS]

  most requested movie for us to watch and [TS]

  for us to talk about and since today we [TS]

  kind of touched on AI a little bit i [TS]

  think this is the time we're going to [TS]

  assign this for homework for the [TS]

  listeners so we're going to talk about [TS]

  it [TS]

  probably next episode so you might want [TS]

  to have watched it yeah probably next [TS]

  episode so put a link in the show notes [TS]

  for people to find it easily as always [TS]

  with movies with every single movie I [TS]

  always just recommend [TS]

  you watch it without really learning [TS]

  anything about it [TS]

  just watch a cold and we will discuss it [TS]

  probably next time for sure [TS]

  I still have this picture of your hand [TS]

  holding the broken tooth brush open up [TS]

  on my screen I feel like he would make a [TS]

  beautiful iphone background [TS]