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HI #75: "World’s Most Interesting Podcast"


  I know you don't like talking about [TS]

  dreams but ok no it's not know that [TS]

  saying I get my first thing I can you [TS]

  don't normally open with dreams my [TS]

  friend so one might have been a [TS]

  follow-up and i feel kind of almost [TS]

  guilty now to our Norwegian listeners [TS]

  after my fun little joke last episode [TS]

  about Magnus Carlsen being from sweden [TS]

  who chose deliberately said and then [TS]

  pointed out he was no agent who that did [TS]

  cause a minor kerfuffle among Norwegians [TS]

  who love their Magnus mhm so apologies [TS]

  to those people it was a joke which I [TS]

  said very quickly it was check but how [TS]

  much feedback did you get ready because [TS]

  you are deliberately provoking feedback [TS]

  from people who listen to the podcast [TS]

  pause immediately in their rage and [TS]

  reply to you so I'm curious how much [TS]

  feedback along those lines that you [TS]

  actually get from people probably 20 to [TS]

  30 people that's not too bad that's not [TS]

  too bad and I did get a few tweets where [TS]

  people were like tweeting angrily at me [TS]

  and then a few seconds later like [TS]

  sending apology tweaks ok my favorite [TS]

  which i think is shared with the Twitter [TS]

  audience was i was looking at my [TS]

  timeline and there was one person who [TS]

  followed me two seconds later angrily [TS]

  tweeted me five seconds later sent a [TS]

  tweet saying sorry and you could see the [TS]

  whole thing play out on the Twitter [TS]

  timeline maybe sometimes quite funny i [TS]

  will point out that Magnus Carlsen did [TS]

  win the World Chess Championship did he [TS]

  ok did but in circumstances that make me [TS]

  unhappy [TS]

  oh why what happened well they play best [TS]

  of 12 which might sound silly because [TS]

  it's an even number because you get so [TS]

  many drawers in chess [TS]

  it's irrelevant whether you play an even [TS]

  or odd number of games really they won [TS]

  one game h and all of the rest were [TS]

  drawn this was against the Russian [TS]

  sergej karyakin em it was six points all [TS]

  after 12 games because you get half a [TS]

  point h4 draw and then the way they [TS]

  decided that was with this tiebreaker [TS]

  situation and there was this series of [TS]

  tiebreakers they were going to go [TS]

  through the first was in one day they [TS]

  played a best-of for rapid chess games [TS]

  I'll experience yeah maybe it was like [TS]

  our which game and if that didn't sorted [TS]

  out they were going to go to a faster [TS]

  version who and if that didn't work out [TS]

  they were then going to go to this form [TS]

  of chess called Armageddon Jess [TS]

  just got super EXTREME time limits and [TS]

  if no one has won by the time limit then [TS]

  the person playing the black pieces is [TS]

  declared the winner [TS]

  so there has to be a winner of [TS]

  Armageddon chess wow that seems deeply [TS]

  unfair on every level [TS]

  well I guess you know what has the [TS]

  advantage of starting and I don't know [TS]

  it didn't matter because it was sorted [TS]

  out in the rapid chess in the first [TS]

  investor for they played two drawers and [TS]

  then Carson one the next to him to be [TS]

  crowned world champion they already have [TS]

  like World Championships of these other [TS]

  speeds of chess and so I think deciding [TS]

  like the ultimate world chess champion [TS]

  in the long form of the game having it [TS]

  then decided with this other form of [TS]

  chess is deeply wrong em and also it's [TS]

  well-known that Magnus Carlsen is very [TS]

  good team is very good object so before [TS]

  effort but he's considered to have an [TS]

  even greater advantage over karaoke at [TS]

  speed chess and I think the feeling was [TS]

  once things sort of evened out he would [TS]

  be happy to play for the drawer because [TS]

  he thought he could take out the Russian [TS]

  in the space which he then did and i [TS]

  think this is unfair and a wrong way to [TS]

  have sorted out the world chess [TS]

  championship in the long form of the [TS]

  game to have the world champion [TS]

  basically decided by the guy who's the [TS]

  best at rapid chess and I'm not happy i [TS]

  still think houses the best chess player [TS]

  in the world and perhaps I think the [TS]

  fairest thing to have done with a draw [TS]

  championship would be for the defending [TS]

  champion to have kept his title anyway [TS]

  so I'm quite happy that Magnus Carlsen [TS]

  has remained world champion but I don't [TS]

  like that it was sorted out in this [TS]

  speedy chess format [TS]

  yeah i'm going to completely agree with [TS]

  you here i mentioned last time that you [TS]

  know I used to play chess and then I got [TS]

  kind of bored with the game when I [TS]

  realized it's about recognizing patterns [TS]

  but i did for awhile continue to play [TS]

  very rapid speed chess so where you put [TS]

  maybe five or ten minutes on the clock [TS]

  for both people that was fun because it [TS]

  was just a totally different game you [TS]

  couldn't spend a lot of time thinking [TS]

  about stuff but i imagine for [TS]

  grandmasters you are really honed in on [TS]

  the precise nature of the game that the [TS]

  difference between the long-form version [TS]

  and the hour version like might as well [TS]

  be because speed chess kind of game i [TS]

  totally agree with you it's like if [TS]

  they're doing a faster version of chess [TS]

  at the end it feels like they should [TS]

  almost just [TS]

  arm wrestle for the championship [TS]

  athletic field a little bit like we're [TS]

  going to decide the world champion of [TS]

  one game by playing another game i agree [TS]

  with you i don't like it i think they [TS]

  should just keep playing until somebody [TS]

  breaks the draw if it takes a hundred [TS]

  games like just keep playing that they [TS]

  should do that could have been pretty [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  just so you know by the way rapid chess [TS]

  can have different speeds between 10 and [TS]

  60 minutes in this particular case it [TS]

  was 25 minutes with 10 second increments [TS]

  / move that's still reasonably fast [TS]

  though [TS]

  interesting yeah the Blitz game if it [TS]

  went to that it would have been five [TS]

  minutes with three seconds experiments [TS]

  yeah and then if it went to the [TS]

  Armageddon game which kinda would have [TS]

  been Kirko it's actually white pieces [TS]

  get five minutes and the black pieces [TS]

  get four minutes on the clock [TS]

  yeah like I agree with you it would be [TS]

  kind of cool to see it go to this [TS]

  Armageddon version but it feels totally [TS]

  arbitrary this feels unsatisfactory this [TS]

  to me feels very much like what's called [TS]

  a penalty shootout in soccer [TS]

  are you familiar with a penalty shootout [TS]

  that's the thing at the end where they [TS]

  kick four times five times h soccer [TS]

  games drawn and a draw is unacceptable [TS]

  for some reason like it's a knockout [TS]

  game in the world cup of something that [TS]

  would just take penalty kicks from the [TS]

  penalty spot past the goalkeeper which [TS]

  also i've always thought was a deeply [TS]

  unfair way to decide a soccer game [TS]

  because of such a niche discipline of [TS]

  the game but I guess you've got to sort [TS]

  out drawers in a timely way sometimes I [TS]

  don't know I feel like if it matters as [TS]

  much we should just keep going and argue [TS]

  with you with the soccer games like just [TS]

  keep playing someone will eventually [TS]

  score a point we might be here for five [TS]

  hours but what's the problem [TS]

  let's keep going you do have a slight [TS]

  problem as well though this is another [TS]

  famous story that i'm assuming you won't [TS]

  be familiar with bit of a classic in the [TS]

  world of sport em and that is in tennis [TS]

  tennis sets our first to win six games [TS]

  okay but you have to win by two so you [TS]

  can win the set 6-4 6-3 or 60 but you [TS]

  can't win 6-5 huh [TS]

  ok so there's a margin you have to [TS]

  overcome yeah you have to win by two [TS]

  this is to compensate for the fact that [TS]

  person who serves in a game has a big [TS]

  advantage so you have got to break the [TS]

  other person serve at least once this is [TS]

  why I exist I like your intense sports [TS]

  voice you use this every once in a while [TS]

  when you're talking about four [TS]

  this is my favorite stuff it used to be [TS]

  in the olden times you would just keep [TS]

  playing mm and it could go to 86 or it [TS]

  could go to ten eight and you would keep [TS]

  playing until someone got an advantage [TS]

  of to someone broke the other person [TS]

  serve this resulted in the introduction [TS]

  of the tiebreaker [TS]

  so if set up Tenace gets to 60 who you [TS]

  play sort of a special kind of mini game [TS]

  called a tiebreaker is like a penalty [TS]

  shootout or like a blitz game of chess [TS]

  whoever wins that tiebreaker wins the [TS]

  set 7-6 you move on to the next set but [TS]

  in Grand Slam tournaments such as [TS]

  Wimbledon it's considered unfair to [TS]

  decide the whole match on tiebreakers so [TS]

  inside a men's game which is best to 5 [TS]

  sets the first four sets can be decided [TS]

  by tiebreakers ok but if you get to two [TS]

  sets all and you're playing the fifth [TS]

  and deciding set it's considered unfair [TS]

  to decide that with a tiebreaker [TS]

  so it goes to the old-fashioned way of [TS]

  you have to win by two and like you're [TS]

  saying you could play forever you just [TS]

  keep taking it in turns games one person [TS]

  serving the other person serving until [TS]

  someone wins the set by 2m it was a very [TS]

  famous match in 2010 [TS]

  Edwin wouldn't between a guy called John [TS]

  Isner from the United States and a guy [TS]

  called Nicholas mahout who is a French [TS]

  is no won the first set 6-4 and then my [TS]

  hope on the second set 6-3 and then the [TS]

  next two sets both went to tie breakers [TS]

  and we shared so it came to the fifth [TS]

  set both of them are quite good servers [TS]

  so it's hard to break their serve and [TS]

  this this set went for a long time and [TS]

  in fact it was finally won by Isner the [TS]

  final set was one 72-68 haha why I and [TS]

  the tennis match went for over 11 hours [TS]

  and was played over three days [TS]

  whoa one was serving than the other was [TS]

  serving and like they couldn't break [TS]

  each other serve and it just kept going [TS]

  it's been called the endless match wow [TS]

  so that's the danger you could have had [TS]

  with karyakin & Carlson imagine that a [TS]

  year-and-a-half just draw after draw [TS]

  after draw maybe in retrospect I am [TS]

  under estimating just how closely [TS]

  matched [TS]

  the best in the world can be and sew my [TS]

  formula of just keep playing until you [TS]

  break the draw might actually be a [TS]

  terrible idea under many more [TS]

  circumstances then I think it would be I [TS]

  would still prefer or you just say that [TS]

  the world champion retains their crown [TS]

  if they can't be beaten in the format is [TS]

  given to the Challenger I don't know I [TS]

  guess that's to be unsatisfying in this [TS]

  day and age but but i think that seems [TS]

  not unreasonable [TS]

  ok i do have to say Brady they're [TS]

  listening to you describe lovingly all [TS]

  of the little details of the sport which [TS]

  rapidly fly by me as soon as you have [TS]

  said them i feel like i am forever [TS]

  dreading and looking forward to the [TS]

  inevitable day when you take me to a [TS]

  cricket phone and explain all of the [TS]

  crickets like this is ben on our list of [TS]

  things to do for a long time I do want [TS]

  to have it happen but listening to you [TS]

  talk now and I have that feeling of like [TS]

  that'll be a fun day and also an [TS]

  incredibly mentally exhausting and make [TS]

  sure though I'm so frustrated by already [TS]

  because it hasn't even happened and I [TS]

  because it's such a balancing act [TS]

  between just understanding the [TS]

  fundamentals of the game the rules of [TS]

  the game and then the nuance in the game [TS]

  within the game which is what people [TS]

  love so much but you can't appreciate [TS]

  that until you understand the game you [TS]

  know you don't know which way to sort of [TS]

  Tippett do i lovingly explain the game [TS]

  within the game and the notes or do I [TS]

  have to just explain the basic rules and [TS]

  hard to get that right i mean this is [TS]

  actually like what our job is with [TS]

  making educational YouTube videos as [TS]

  well write it like this is always the [TS]

  problem especially when you assume that [TS]

  the person listening like in his case [TS]

  with cricket knows essentially nothing [TS]

  you can very quickly work yourself into [TS]

  a situation where it's hard as the more [TS]

  knowledgeable person to know where to [TS]

  begin [TS]

  because yeah it's like there's lots of [TS]

  stuff that's interesting once you know [TS]

  all of the background but it can be kind [TS]

  of hard to disentangle what's confusing [TS]

  for someone new to this topic and I [TS]

  think with the sports stuff which you [TS]

  may find is you might have to go away [TS]

  more basic than your even imagining [TS]

  because it probably lots of things [TS]

  common to all sports that are you just [TS]

  don't even realize that I am unaware of [TS]

  that we might have to start with ground [TS]

  assumptions so okay so the reason [TS]

  uploaded up [TS]

  was because we have a little bit of [TS]

  follow-up we were talking about the new [TS]

  Norwegian banknotes a while ago which [TS]

  will call had some quite cool designs [TS]

  and i was contacted by Tim the other day [TS]

  and he told me that their official now [TS]

  the ones that we discussed way back when [TS]

  linked to in the show notes have been [TS]

  slightly tweaked since and honed and [TS]

  refined and signed off and they have now [TS]

  got their final newly-designed banknote [TS]

  soon they don't look much different to [TS]

  me they're pretty much how we discussed [TS]

  the last time was sort of nautical [TS]

  objects and things like lighthouses and [TS]

  fishing boats and then on the other side [TS]

  a really weird [TS]

  abstract blurred pixelation of the same [TS]

  images but that was all well and good [TS]

  but then I was trying to read a bit more [TS]

  about it thinking our how people [TS]

  responding to them and at that point I [TS]

  realized that actually still not in [TS]

  circulation yet this is one of these new [TS]

  stories that has about 18 folks starts [TS]

  like water on Mars we don't have water [TS]

  on Mars exactly what ya say although the [TS]

  designs have been finalized they don't [TS]

  start hitting people's wallets and [TS]

  purses who until around the middle of [TS]

  next year but one thing that i did find [TS]

  interesting was this new story i read [TS]

  who said these banknotes have been [TS]

  described as the world's most beautiful [TS]

  banknotes in quotes and I thought that's [TS]

  interesting i wonder who did that and [TS]

  then I've done a bit more digging and it [TS]

  seems like there's no real source to it [TS]

  and actually comes from the norwegian [TS]

  bank itself was that by black the [TS]

  designers mum ahead of the bank or some [TS]

  official design organization and it did [TS]

  make me think it's amazing how just [TS]

  throwing something out there and [TS]

  especially putting it in quotes [TS]

  actually I've got an idea I'm gonna do [TS]

  it tweet i'm just gonna write hello [TS]

  Internet colon and then quite max [TS]

  world's most interesting podcast haha [TS]

  what I'll do then is I put a little dash [TS]

  26 day because when you do that as well [TS]

  it seems like more official [TS]

  ok perfect i'm putting that out there [TS]

  alright i'll retweet it helps spread [TS]

  along [TS]

  you read it first on Twitter so no way [TS]

  may have the world's most beautiful [TS]

  banknotes and they're now being [TS]

  discussed on the world's most [TS]

  interesting podcast just putting that [TS]

  quote out there we had a few retweets [TS]

  and likes already so words getting out [TS]

  I've been you are a fan of these [TS]

  banknotes as am i what do you think of [TS]

  world's most beautiful banknotes are you [TS]

  willing to endorse that again i'm a fan [TS]

  of these notes but that exact quote like [TS]

  the world's most beautiful i'm not sure [TS]

  i could sign off on that maybe they're [TS]

  the world's coolest banknotes that's [TS]

  what it should be right [TS]

  Brady Haran 2016 world's coolest [TS]

  banknotes but what this doesn't seem to [TS]

  me like is is almost designed by [TS]

  committee like they've made some bold [TS]

  choices [TS]

  it doesn't mean that i necessarily like [TS]

  everything that they have done but I [TS]

  like that they're visually distinct [TS]

  banknotes they look different from other [TS]

  stuff that I've seen thumbs up on this [TS]

  one [TS]

  norway but most beautiful i'm not 100% [TS]

  sure I like your description way better [TS]

  maybe the bank of norway will update [TS]

  their website have my description [TS]

  instead that would be a code for the [TS]

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  I like this one hello Brady I'm a [TS]

  firefighter/paramedic in Virginia [TS]

  stumbled across hello internet broadcast [TS]

  recently I listen quite often during [TS]

  training exercises and workouts station [TS]

  due to the nature of the job i have [TS]

  quite a bit of downtime and I've [TS]

  listened to the first 40 podcast in [TS]

  about three weeks time [TS]

  not bad so within a month i should be [TS]

  caught up to current i wanted to share [TS]

  an interesting story regarding the [TS]

  podcast at my job i was listening during [TS]

  a workout and we received a cold for a [TS]

  structure fire just down the straight I [TS]

  rest you're throwing my gear and jump in [TS]

  the truck to head to the incident upon [TS]

  arrival there was heavy smoking showing [TS]

  from the structure a very frantic lady [TS]

  ran up to us she stated her dog was [TS]

  still in the structure on the second [TS]

  floor [TS]

  oh no hehe lapses into normal language [TS]

  as we entered the house so we now know [TS]

  what the structure is what I somehow [TS]

  restarted the podcast in my pocket and [TS]

  still had the earbuds yet I ironically [TS]

  was listening to the story of Derek the [TS]

  skydiver in episode 44 jump out of [TS]

  planes while listening to the podcast so [TS]

  nice little symmetry there and although [TS]

  it was absolutely incidental I just [TS]

  wanted to let you know that you and grey [TS]

  played a small part in saving a golden [TS]

  retriever from a burning building [TS]

  haha not bad eh that's fantastic [TS]

  yeah I like that one and it does sound [TS]

  very legitimate with the firefighter [TS]

  lingo that that's fine yeah i mean like [TS]

  all these stories it could be made up i [TS]

  believe it i believe it's true there was [TS]

  no photographic verification provided [TS]

  which i always enjoy in emails but for [TS]

  all i know that could be a work of [TS]

  fanfiction but if so well dad yet i'll [TS]

  let it pass but next time if you're a [TS]

  firefighter saving a dog in a burning [TS]

  building we would like the headcam [TS]

  footage with the hello Internet audio [TS]

  playing in the background at the same [TS]

  time just to be sure that would get your [TS]

  hello Internet medal of honor [TS]

  I also wanted to share another viewer [TS]

  interaction from a while ago I can't [TS]

  believe I forgot to tell the story but [TS]

  also i just realized I'm on brilliant [TS]

  accidental pun form today because this [TS]

  will be a truncated version of a story [TS]

  about trunks because as you know huh [TS]

  I don't mind an old trunk an old steamer [TS]

  trunk from the good old days you have a [TS]

  magnificent one in your the coffee table [TS]

  in our lounge is a lovely old steamer [TS]

  trunk with old initials stenciled on it [TS]

  still some old stickers from the days [TS]

  when it was going on ships and things i [TS]

  love that they've got like names painted [TS]

  on them and have quite a bit of a story [TS]

  to that my life that I've got a history [TS]

  and they're also nice-looking objects [TS]

  and they're quite useful for storing [TS]

  things as well so it's win win win so I [TS]

  recently had an email from a team in New [TS]

  Zealand who came across a trunk they [TS]

  thought i might like I've got it here in [TS]

  the room next to me you can tell how the [TS]

  story is going to end already [TS]

  it was used on a passenger liner called [TS]

  the SS ionic not believers in ionic bond [TS]

  mhm traveling New Zealand to London and [TS]

  the passengers name which is painted on [TS]

  a rather ornately is miss Heron bloom [TS]

  but it's always been my dream to find a [TS]

  trunk with like be JH but to have one [TS]

  with my surname which is reasonably [TS]

  unusual woman was a go so this is tim [TS]

  from museums and look what i just found [TS]

  in an antique store like around the [TS]

  corner [TS]

  hmm and I was like can you go back and [TS]

  take some more pictures of a say went [TS]

  back and took more pictures and send [TS]

  them to me and I was like you just gotta [TS]

  buy that thing get a buyer for me now [TS]

  and send it to me I don't care about the [TS]

  cost [TS]

  so he did a national guy paid him the [TS]

  money [TS]

  apparently he did a bit of negotiating [TS]

  for you got a few new zealand dollars [TS]

  knocked off the price and then he [TS]

  shipped it to me i think the shipping [TS]

  cost more than the trunk itself right of [TS]

  course of course and it now has pride of [TS]

  place in one of my officers here i'll [TS]

  post a picture in the show notes that [TS]

  people want to see my miss Heron trunk [TS]

  is quite big [TS]

  I think you could probably fit seven [TS]

  Audrey's and maybe have us this is the [TS]

  trunk large enough first 72 arts [TS]

  yeah maybe and you have to pack them in [TS]

  tightly of course of words that's a [TS]

  decent size but it was that was an [TS]

  absolute code so thank you very much [TS]

  that isn't absolute q i have just [TS]

  delighted at the idea of you doing [TS]

  antique shopping through twitter is [TS]

  essentially what you're doing like [TS]

  crowd-sourced antique shopping is what's [TS]

  occurring here this is amazing [TS]

  can I put a shout-out for the other [TS]

  thing I'm in the market for the moment i [TS]

  sent any teams can help me out with my [TS]

  antiquing [TS]

  oh god please go right ahead i guarantee [TS]

  you this will not be cut [TS]

  ok the thing I'm in the market for at [TS]

  the moment and I'm finding it hard to [TS]

  find and I do have very strict [TS]

  requirements because the room I need to [TS]

  get in is very difficult room to [TS]

  negotiate large objects into and also [TS]

  obviously it has to be in the UK because [TS]

  it's a big heavy thing i want what i [TS]

  wanted a moment for my second office [TS]

  slash film studio right is an old-school [TS]

  text studies bench with a couple of [TS]

  vices on it you know those old wooden [TS]

  ones that have got like a million old [TS]

  marks and dents in them i don't know [TS]

  what you mean a text Eddie bench [TS]

  what do you call the subject at school [TS]

  where you would do that would work and [TS]

  things like that [TS]

  oh I got like a shop class i think is [TS]

  that what you mean they're called tech [TS]

  studies in the UK and in no case [TS]

  Australia so I want those old wooden [TS]

  benches where you would do would work at [TS]

  school on probably from an old school [TS]

  and I want to be able dented up and have [TS]

  things engraved in it and I have a real [TS]

  history in a story that i might like you [TS]

  know buffered up and polish it a bit [TS]

  that would look nice would not i think [TS]

  that would look at it that would look [TS]

  absolutely lovely [TS]

  so I'm on ebay looking at them so don't [TS]

  just send me that obvious ones on ebay [TS]

  because I would have seen them already [TS]

  it does have to be a little on the small [TS]

  side but if you know you work in a [TS]

  school in the UK and you're throwing [TS]

  away your text of these benches and [TS]

  there but i will be fussy well in [TS]

  particular my wife especially will be [TS]

  fancy but i'm in the market so let me [TS]

  know [TS]

  keep an eye out people maybe we need to [TS]

  coordinate this on a separate thread on [TS]

  the hello Internet subreddit or [TS]

  something we'll see if we can try and [TS]

  crowdsource this for you in an organized [TS]

  fashion I would love that if we had like [TS]

  a just little subreddit for helping [TS]

  Brady find his woodworking bench [TS]

  I didn't realize that you immediately [TS]

  are jumping to a dedicated subreddit big [TS]

  this is going to happen frequently ina [TS]

  not a dedicated separate just a threat [TS]

  just a thread [TS]

  alright i'll i'll put a thread in the [TS]

  show notes for people to try to organize [TS]

  this for you Brady I really want this to [TS]

  happen [TS]

  well its most interesting podcast so [TS]

  gray we're approaching Christmas we are [TS]

  approaching Christmas of rapidly i have [TS]

  a couple of Christmas related items [TS]

  something I've complained about before [TS]

  is becoming an increasingly common [TS]

  complaint in the world at large but it [TS]

  has just reached ridiculous proportions [TS]

  now and there is some of the packaging [TS]

  being used by amazon for receiving [TS]

  products i'm talking oversized packaging [TS]

  here [TS]

  mhm the other day I had to buy two rolls [TS]

  of brown-paper you know sort of the [TS]

  butcher's type paper using numberphile [TS]

  videos like a roll of wrapping paper [TS]

  basically that size and two rolls put my [TS]

  order in a couple of days later for [TS]

  whatever reason the person who is [TS]

  supplying it only had one roll available [TS]

  and i had to wait a week for the second [TS]

  one so only one arrived and i am not [TS]

  kidding [TS]

  the box it arrived in was the size of a [TS]

  human coffin [TS]

  I could have fit inside this box and I [TS]

  open it up and I had lots and lots of [TS]

  like stuffing paper in there to stop [TS]

  this one small roll of paper from [TS]

  bouncing around me and I took out my one [TS]

  little roll of wrapping paper and I had [TS]

  this enormous box that was so big I had [TS]

  to take it to the tip because i couldn't [TS]

  put it anywhere else [TS]

  no really mm and then a few days later I [TS]

  happened to be out when the second roll [TS]

  arriving and sure enough it arrives in a [TS]

  second coffin and the person because I [TS]

  wasn't gonna take inside the delivery [TS]

  man or delivery woman had to leave it [TS]

  outside my house by the front lens and [TS]

  it was raining so also got rained on the [TS]

  stuff was okay in the end but i had to [TS]

  go to the tip a second time this time [TS]

  with a huge sopping wet cardboard [TS]

  coffins and throw that one in the tip as [TS]

  well and i was at the tip and I was I [TS]

  was throwing this thing away and some [TS]

  other guy was throwing something away [TS]

  next to me and I said look at this could [TS]

  you believe it i got in this huge thing [TS]

  just for a small thing of wrapping paper [TS]

  that which sent him off on a rant about [TS]

  all the things he'd been receiving from [TS]

  amazon with like he received one thing [TS]

  from amazon that had stuffing paper in [TS]

  there as well for protection [TS]

  he measured and I had 30 meters of paper [TS]

  in this box or condensed down to look [TS]

  after whatever was in the box [TS]

  he was so amazed he measured the paper [TS]

  because he couldn't believe that this is [TS]

  getting crazy it and I know they're [TS]

  doing it for efficiency reason and i [TS]

  know you don't care that much about [TS]

  small things to help the environment [TS]

  when only big things matter but this is [TS]

  getting ridiculous [TS]

  you are assuming things here and one of [TS]

  these is like this is exactly the kind [TS]

  of case where I think it does matter to [TS]

  care because how many packages amazon [TS]

  ship to my house alone hundreds a day as [TS]

  far as i can tell right so if like if [TS]

  you can get amazon to make their [TS]

  packaging slightly smaller using less [TS]

  materials like I think that's the kind [TS]

  of thing that does have a reasonable [TS]

  impact and it works at scale so i assume [TS]

  like you're probably assuming that [TS]

  Amazon is doing this because on whatever [TS]

  spreadsheets they're using having a [TS]

  smaller number of different sized boxes [TS]

  to work with is more efficient for them [TS]

  than having exactly the right size box [TS]

  but I have definitely been [TS]

  super-effective getting boxes that just [TS]

  seemed comically miss sized for the [TS]

  object that is being shipped and my [TS]

  personal favorite example was just a [TS]

  couple months ago i bought like a USB [TS]

  thumb drive that I needed to transfer [TS]

  some files back and forth so anything [TS]

  that was literally the size of my thumb [TS]

  came in a box that was the size of a [TS]

  shoebox [TS]

  but don't just write off like oh I don't [TS]

  care about the environment and small [TS]

  changes like this is exactly the kind of [TS]

  thing that I think does matter in trying [TS]

  to pressure a company like Amazon into [TS]

  using more efficient material because [TS]

  they must ship a bazillion boxes [TS]

  absolutely everywhere [TS]

  the only thing that's given me a small [TS]

  amount of sympathy for them which is [TS]

  happening the last week or two as [TS]

  projekt revolution has started ramping [TS]

  up as I can see why you would want to [TS]

  overprotect items [TS]

  mm because dealing with every email and [TS]

  every everything about some mind a bit [TS]

  of damage to a project revolution has [TS]

  become difficult and time-consuming and [TS]

  I completely understand i'm not [TS]

  complaining because if you know that's [TS]

  how it isn't for every person that one [TS]

  record is very important to them and [TS]

  it's not right it's not right so I'm not [TS]

  complaining about the people [TS]

  mm but it does make me realize that [TS]

  it's difficult and like no matter what [TS]

  you do or how well your package [TS]

  something you know things happen and [TS]

  then it becomes difficult so I have got [TS]

  a little bit of sympathy for [TS]

  overprotecting items but you do not need [TS]

  a coffin for a rather paper or a shoe [TS]

  box for a thumb drive your learning that [TS]

  being a one-man logistics distributor is [TS]

  actually quite difficult [TS]

  that's Julie over there yeah and I do [TS]

  feel like that despite having a [TS]

  logistics company that supposed to be [TS]

  doing the work for my customer support [TS]

  is always quite a lot of it whenever you [TS]

  do anything anyway we're getting there [TS]

  people have been sending loads of photos [TS]

  of them with their records and that's [TS]

  really been exciting so keep them coming [TS]

  and I hope you're all enjoying the vinyl [TS]

  edition those of you who are partaking [TS]

  let's stay on christmas day because i [TS]

  have another Christmas story i'm really [TS]

  curious as to what you're going to think [TS]

  about is a moral standpoint or rightness [TS]

  or wrongness ok there's a bit of fun [TS]

  neither you or I have human children I [TS]

  have doggie children but we don't have [TS]

  human children that's fantastic way to [TS]

  phrase that that's correct yes [TS]

  neither of us have human children i [TS]

  agree with some of my relatives do have [TS]

  been spending a bit of time with [TS]

  recently and I was with my nephew [TS]

  recently and his parents and i was [TS]

  introduced to a piece of technology that [TS]

  they are using to help with behavior [TS]

  control will i'm familiar with all the [TS]

  different modes of behavior control of [TS]

  children leave and I'm also quite [TS]

  familiar with christmas-related ones I [TS]

  don't know if you have you ever heard of [TS]

  the elf on the shelf [TS]

  I have heard of this and it just sounds [TS]

  creepy to me but I've only heard about [TS]

  this in passing so my understanding of [TS]

  the elf on the shelf is that it's a [TS]

  stuffed toy elf that you put on the [TS]

  shelf and then you tell the child that [TS]

  it's like Santa's spy who's watching you [TS]

  all the time to make sure that you're [TS]

  being good is that the basic idea of the [TS]

  alfond the shell and that show yet [TS]

  that's aI don't know if it's stuffed by [TS]

  it is it's a toy elf movie [TS]

  it comes with a book and you read the [TS]

  child the book at the side of the [TS]

  christmas season which explains the [TS]

  backstory I don't know what the [TS]

  backstory is and they give the Alpha [TS]

  name and they're not to touch the over [TS]

  there told if they touch the off the [TS]

  world will end or something like so [TS]

  trust me too [TS]

  gonna absolutely petrified actually elf [TS]

  and I have heard stories of children [TS]

  calling 911 in fear after they have [TS]

  touched their off accidentally k sounds [TS]

  a little too effective [TS]

  uh-huh yeah yeah but usually sitting in [TS]

  accessible places to help with this no [TS]

  changing thing but every night while the [TS]

  child is a sleep it moves i think we all [TS]

  know how but that's not saying case [TS]

  there any belief is listening [TS]

  ok also terrifying ok excited to be like [TS]

  our look at last night they only move [TS]

  from the top of the Christmas tree to [TS]

  the kitchen cupboard or something but it [TS]

  is watching them and so you can use this [TS]

  with little helpful reminders like all [TS]

  you sure you want to break that [TS]

  christmas ornament when the help of [TS]

  others watching so it's very effective [TS]

  I sometimes have jerked why can't you [TS]

  just use this all year round but I [TS]

  imagine it would lose its effectiveness [TS]

  and anybody works when their Christmas [TS]

  presents an imminent we have a bit of [TS]

  carrot and stick going on [TS]

  so anyway that's the off on the Shelf [TS]

  it's been quite a zeitgeist you think I [TS]

  think for a few years now that sounds [TS]

  absolutely terrifying the way to [TS]

  describe it i didn't realize that the [TS]

  elf moves that sounds like the plot of a [TS]

  horror movie [TS]

  I would just think like maybe the elf [TS]

  gets closer write the words you're being [TS]

  right you wake up in the morning right [TS]

  in the alphas right next to your head [TS]

  don't touch it attractive but it's right [TS]

  there [TS]

  if you've been very bad or like we go [TS]

  into a room and it's like 90 of them hit [TS]

  you have a string and you better get [TS]

  through it my legs and back without the [TS]

  alphas brought all of his friends [TS]

  because you've been very naughty writing [TS]

  and seeing what you're doing like a god [TS]

  it's happened to the awful but all you [TS]

  have like 10 of them surrounding your TV [TS]

  remote control anyway I quite like it [TS]

  because it's like you know may I like [TS]

  books and toys and it's a bit [TS]

  old-fashioned it seems like something [TS]

  from another time [TS]

  it really does it seems like a bygone [TS]

  tradition or something it's surprising [TS]

  that the new thing but technology has [TS]

  moved on and last week I was shown as [TS]

  sort of a more modern equivalent [TS]

  apparently there's a few of these around [TS]

  I've just got one of them [TS]

  this is an app you have on your phone [TS]

  and I've got one here called Santa Claus [TS]

  it's the 2016 version of elf on the [TS]

  shelf because what happens is you [TS]

  configure the app and if you pay money [TS]

  you can configure it with even more [TS]

  power but i'm just using the free [TS]

  version here so i'm using edit most [TS]

  limited and what happens is this [TS]

  that allows Santa Claus to call your [TS]

  phone in front of your child then [TS]

  conversations can in see you let me give [TS]

  you an example [TS]

  I'm gonna open up my app now what is [TS]

  this app called it's called Santa Claus [TS]

  so i've configured the app i'm now going [TS]

  to shed your the call you can [TS]

  pre-program very save as and I've [TS]

  programmed 14 someone called gray who is [TS]

  my five-year-old child health ok and you [TS]

  can choose a long list of reasons for [TS]

  the Santa coaling the reason for this [TS]

  call is going to be a check on behavior [TS]

  to check if behaving and then you can [TS]

  tell the app when this mysterious phone [TS]

  call is going to arrive i'm going to say [TS]

  let's have immediately so say my [TS]

  five-year-old Gray's being naughty or I [TS]

  want to modify his behavior i feel [TS]

  really uncomfortable right now but i [TS]

  will sneakily pull out my app i will [TS]

  configure this call and let me press the [TS]

  button and then what happens in a few [TS]

  seconds my fine we'll go black so it [TS]

  looks like its inactive because kids [TS]

  notice stuff and then my phone has about [TS]

  to go black [TS]

  it's gone black and here we go what [TS]

  happens so good on speaker and a picture [TS]

  of Santa Clauses incoming call from [TS]

  Santa Claus with a red or a green find a [TS]

  press grain to accept the call has a [TS]

  picture of Santa oppressed [TS]

  there's even a timer like a plan who [TS]

  would have [TS]

  my name Trey [TS]

  I need to have you on the phone I [TS]

  yes I'm five [TS]

  I just want [TS]

  she all bigger promise [TS]

  so anyway I just hang up on sanchez Cole [TS]

  ended I swear to god that feels like [TS]

  real life black mirrors somehow just [TS]

  feel like something out of a button [TS]

  I couldn't decide if it was good or bad [TS]

  I was talking to my nephew's parents [TS]

  about it because they've been using it [TS]

  but it's gotten to a point there with a [TS]

  bit scared to use it because their [TS]

  little boy he's a great little boy honey [TS]

  like he did something naughty the other [TS]

  day which he rarely does and the minute [TS]

  he did it he like looked at the phone [TS]

  yeah and he thought said it was about to [TS]

  coldplay Santa keeps calling whenever [TS]

  he's snorting oh he looked at the phone [TS]

  and started like trembling so the [TS]

  parents like I can go to start this but [TS]

  I mean when you first had that thing [TS]

  ring and started playing the music okay [TS]

  this is the first time I've ever heard [TS]

  it but I thought man that would take [TS]

  about one exposure to develop a movie in [TS]

  response right to that music writer just [TS]

  like horror and I'm in trouble in the [TS]

  same way that you know you should never [TS]

  set a sound or a tune that you like as [TS]

  your alarm clock in the morning because [TS]

  you will grow too low that song that [TS]

  thing makes it feel like Santa Claus is [TS]

  terrifying and the whole piece easy when [TS]

  you're sleeping he knows when you're [TS]

  awake things like obviously that's [TS]

  creepy if you think about it but [TS]

  something about the way that I have says [TS]

  that was like Santa directly addressing [TS]

  you that like I watch you while you [TS]

  sleep it's ok it's a cunning to it looks [TS]

  just like a phone call you know it's got [TS]

  the green and the red icons gotta [TS]

  counter when the phone call starts like [TS]

  a time after her and like a little icon [TS]

  for Santa so you can see the person [TS]

  who's calling its its devious yeah I [TS]

  find that scary and terrifying i can see [TS]

  how this stuff is useful for parents but [TS]

  something about it makes me uneasy in a [TS]

  way that I can't quite define if you are [TS]

  willing to pay [TS]

  there's all sorts of things you can [TS]

  build into it like me you can take a [TS]

  picture of your house and then when you [TS]

  have [TS]

  in conversations with Santa a picture of [TS]

  your house will come up and if you [TS]

  haven't got a chimney hill explain how [TS]

  he can get into your house without a [TS]

  chimney and so the whole charade their [TS]

  asset is really really elaborate it's [TS]

  really full-on would you use that on a [TS]

  human child Brady would you feel [TS]

  comfortable using that on a human child [TS]

  well we're about to talk about some [TS]

  things about Santa Claus that young [TS]

  people might not want to hear right [TS]

  we're going to discuss them center [TS]

  secrets people [TS]

  here's your warning hoho so in that [TS]

  context how is it different from what [TS]

  we've been doing all their lives with [TS]

  Santa Claus what we've been doing this [TS]

  for years anyway this is just a new tool [TS]

  in the arsenal we take kids to sit on [TS]

  Santa's lap and tell them that Santa and [TS]

  he said services what you want for [TS]

  christmas and I'm gonna bring your stuff [TS]

  for Christmas so to look at this app and [TS]

  say that's outrageous how can we be to [TS]

  saving children like this like we don't [TS]

  already i'm not saying that it's [TS]

  outrageous [TS]

  I'm just saying that it feels like a [TS]

  weaponized version of the traditional [TS]

  story like the regular thing is just [TS]

  fine but this is tuned so precisely that [TS]

  it becomes different in kind rather than [TS]

  just different amount that's what it [TS]

  feels like right at the weaponized Santa [TS]

  is like precision targeted to press all [TS]

  of the buttons of a child and that's [TS]

  what makes me feel a little bit [TS]

  uncomfortable as opposed to oh there's [TS]

  this folk tale that we tell that happens [TS]

  to be useful around the holidays but we [TS]

  haven't liked refined it into this [TS]

  precise thing I think that's what I feel [TS]

  a little bit weird and uncomfortable [TS]

  with that have I ever told you my story [TS]

  about learning the truth of health [TS]

  center [TS]

  I don't think so tell me Brady so my [TS]

  parents were always quite big on me [TS]

  knowing the truth of life quite early [TS]

  they treated me quite grown up so I was [TS]

  told the shocking truth about Santa [TS]

  Claus quite early and I was told the [TS]

  same time as my poor sister was 18 [TS]

  months younger say she had 18 months [TS]

  less magic that may em and i was told i [TS]

  was very specifically told not to tell [TS]

  my other friends soon as they still [TS]

  believe in santa ana was explained to me [TS]

  that the utility of Santa my the others [TS]

  must be allowed to believe right right [TS]

  so sure enough the next day I went to [TS]

  scott when you know what the first thing [TS]

  I did was [TS]

  right I code together over lads and said [TS]

  guys I got some big days right [TS]

  this is day one of investigative [TS]

  journalists Brady the story is I've [TS]

  break the story to like other boys in my [TS]

  class in 15 of them but the problem was [TS]

  the most popular boy in school like you [TS]

  know the cock of the roost or whatever [TS]

  you want to call him moving guy called [TS]

  Simon he didn't believe me he was a big [TS]

  Santa believer [TS]

  so he told all the other boys in the [TS]

  class guys Brady's talking rubbish [TS]

  mm and I was basically ostracized for [TS]

  the day I was a pariah right Simon had [TS]

  decided Brady was telling miss truths [TS]

  about Santa Claus so I was frozen out [TS]

  obviously that not Simon went home and [TS]

  told his parents and said look radiant [TS]

  school has been said this stuff but he [TS]

  obviously said his parents but don't [TS]

  worry I've taken care of it and his [TS]

  parents obviously felt sorry for me [TS]

  so they secretly told Simon and Simon [TS]

  look the brady was telling the truth and [TS]

  so I'm and got the same talked that [TS]

  night that you know the shocking truth [TS]

  that was so funny the next day like at [TS]

  recess [TS]

  Simon like convened all the boys in the [TS]

  class and we also have stood in a circle [TS]

  and he was like guys I got some big year [TS]

  Brady was telling the truth and I then [TS]

  everyone believed Simon told them it [TS]

  wasn't real so for de Santa like cost [TS]

  matin but you know my social status but [TS]

  then the next day I was like redeem [TS]

  right but you got another source on the [TS]

  record right that's what made it all the [TS]

  more believable [TS]

  I should have done that in the first [TS]

  place i should have had two sources with [TS]

  that was my mistake with better anyway I [TS]

  learned from that what was your Santa [TS]

  experience as a youngster I don't have a [TS]

  particular memory of freaking out the [TS]

  truth [TS]

  what I do remember is that there was a [TS]

  period of suspicion that I had as a [TS]

  child I was like I'm not sure the center [TS]

  stories holding together right and my [TS]

  parents cleverly delayed it for maybe [TS]

  one or two Christmases by modifying the [TS]

  story slightly by saying oh yes [TS]

  obviously some of the presents are from [TS]

  us and some of them are from Santa and [TS]

  whatever age I was I was like oh that [TS]

  explains some of these inconsistency [TS]

  edges got a longer that for a little [TS]

  while longer but yeah i know some people [TS]

  have [TS]

  dramatic discovery of the terrible truth [TS]

  about Santa I have no memory of when [TS]

  this occurred or out the details [TS]

  happened i don't remember it all when I [TS]

  found out the truth I'd love paper to [TS]

  put in the credit notes for this show [TS]

  how they found out about Santa Claus I'd [TS]

  be really interested find that out i was [TS]

  a shock to me and my sister remember [TS]

  that because it was done while [TS]

  decorating the Christmas tree of all [TS]

  times [TS]

  my mom was decorating the Christmas tree [TS]

  and called us in to tell us that kind of [TS]

  had this like evil aspect to it there [TS]

  was a few seconds of like stunned [TS]

  silence and like processing the [TS]

  information i think the first question [TS]

  is when the president comes from of [TS]

  course and that was explained and then [TS]

  it was what about the Easter Bunny [TS]

  weekend like said easter bunny died that [TS]

  day too right we got the sad news for [TS]

  you about him [TS]

  yeah and then there was like this more [TS]

  like desolation for like a minute or so [TS]

  notice how the Tooth Fairy same all [TS]

  these people just don't like came [TS]

  crashing down at once he's a weird moral [TS]

  dilemma about what to do with children [TS]

  and Santa Claus like if I had human [TS]

  children i'm not sure how I would handle [TS]

  that situation with Santa because [TS]

  obviously some people grow up and feel [TS]

  super betrayed of physic ways that like [TS]

  it as an adults they still kind of feel [TS]

  quite strongly about and I could never [TS]

  quite figure out is this a good thing [TS]

  that we do as a society or is it not a [TS]

  good thing that we do as society overall [TS]

  is it a good lesson for children to [TS]

  learn like oh the adult world not only [TS]

  will it lie to you but they will be like [TS]

  a vast conspiracy to keep the truth away [TS]

  from you like in a way that you could [TS]

  not possibly believe is a child like [TS]

  maybe that's a good lesson for people to [TS]

  learn i don't know like is that the [TS]

  lesson Santa teaches us all I don't [TS]

  think that's the lesson that people take [TS]

  away from Santa I think they take away a [TS]

  lesson of personal disappointment so I [TS]

  have very mixed feelings on the cultural [TS]

  institution of Santa as it relates to [TS]

  children [TS]

  what do you think Brady i love i love i [TS]

  love Santa like i love christmas i love [TS]

  that like the idea the decorations this [TS]

  like idea of Santa I'm a little bit more [TS]

  ambiguous about the enormous conspiracy [TS]

  around santa is he related to children [TS]

  are it'll just gives us it gives the [TS]

  kids pleasure it gives us adults [TS]

  pleasure as we wink at each other and [TS]

  tell the [TS]

  stories yeah sort of relate to something [TS]

  you said earlier that which I find a [TS]

  strange development incentive closet [TS]

  you said how we bring kids to see Santa [TS]

  and have him sit on Santa's lap and i [TS]

  have noticed with the friends that I [TS]

  have who have children who are in the [TS]

  Santa age range that all of the mall [TS]

  Santas the rule is now that you are not [TS]

  allowed to sit on Santa's lap and so [TS]

  they all have pictures of their child [TS]

  sitting next to Santa Claus instead of [TS]

  sitting on his lap shaking his head [TS]

  yeah I assume that it's part of this [TS]

  like bizarre paranoia that the UK has [TS]

  over pedophiles like home mall Santa [TS]

  right might be a dangerous situations [TS]

  like I can't imagine a less dangerous [TS]

  situation then the mall Santa but the [TS]

  thing that bothers me about it is it's [TS]

  like okay [TS]

  the character of Santa Claus is someone [TS]

  who loves kids right and so it's like [TS]

  obviously he said the kid on on [TS]

  someone's lap when you turn the [TS]

  photograph into a child sitting next to [TS]

  Santa now suddenly it looks really weird [TS]

  right now suddenly looks like maybe [TS]

  there's something going on with that [TS]

  Santa right so it's like everything was [TS]

  fine before and then in your weird [TS]

  effort to be like oh we don't have to [TS]

  worry about pedophiles like you make the [TS]

  world looks like it's more dangerous [TS]

  when children can't even sit on Santa's [TS]

  lap so I have been annoyed by a series [TS]

  of photos that i have seen like this [TS]

  where the parents are saying oh you're [TS]

  not allowed to have the child sit on [TS]

  Santa's lap we have to sit the child [TS]

  next to Santa and look like a pretty big [TS]

  gap in between it's just weird it's [TS]

  really weird and I don't like it and I [TS]

  think it's one of these cases where the [TS]

  world has gone super paranoid I great [TS]

  and your grace child protection like is [TS]

  a serious issue and there have been a [TS]

  couple stories in the last few weeks in [TS]

  the UK that have exacerbated the [TS]

  situation not involving Santa Claus [TS]

  sighs and who but i think the child [TS]

  protection thing can go a little bit far [TS]

  and you're right it suddenly makes it an [TS]

  issue in like it ties the Santa with the [TS]

  allegation [TS]

  yeah exactly it totally does it's a case [TS]

  of trying to make things better but like [TS]

  you've made it worse [TS]

  you make it said it looks so much more [TS]

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  bring the show so I had a couple of [TS]

  funny little stories and it's more [TS]

  braggy than humble little so I'm gonna [TS]

  brag a bit but there is also some [TS]

  humbling in it I was trying to think [TS]

  what cola and you naming system and I [TS]

  think it's like a a humble brag brag [TS]

  brag humble know what I don't know [TS]

  there's a lot of components to be going [TS]

  very German with the humble brag now [TS]

  you're building up a unique word to have [TS]

  the exact ratios of how much humble [TS]

  versus how much Bragg's in the story [TS]

  yeah okay so my sister who lives in [TS]

  singapore was out the other day in for [TS]

  her anniversary at dinner and her and [TS]

  her husband got talking to a couple next [TS]

  to them and they got talking about [TS]

  mathematics one of the people next one [TS]

  was really into mathematics and I think [TS]

  my brother and northern said oh my [TS]

  brother-in-law is a guy in England and [TS]

  he makes videos about mathematics soon [TS]

  and suddenly this guy looks at my sister [TS]

  and says hey you Brady Haran sister she [TS]

  was that [TS]

  yeah and like he was so excited and then [TS]

  all the family was called over and like [TS]

  my sister had to pose for photos with [TS]

  them and her anniversary didn't she had [TS]

  to pose for photos with the guy sitting [TS]

  at the table next to them because like [TS]

  she was the sister of like someone who [TS]

  makes numberphile videos [TS]

  mhm so this was a funny story and as you [TS]

  know i enjoy any chance I have to lord [TS]

  over my sister had she like hated that [TS]

  say i've been i've been giving her a [TS]

  hard time right that makes it 10 * [TS]

  better right [TS]

  exactly so not only do I feel like I'm [TS]

  mr. big famous numberphile guy who makes [TS]

  the videos even my sister has to let [TS]

  post photos right like great somebody [TS]

  else rubbed it in my sister's face [TS]

  perfect example that was all well and [TS]

  good and a couple of days later [TS]

  remember that's this kelvin medal from [TS]

  the institute of physics that the [TS]

  symbols one we had the award ceremony [TS]

  for that the other day who so we all [TS]

  dressed up in in a penguin suits and [TS]

  went to this award ceremony and it was [TS]

  really good and again we were feeling [TS]

  like the big superstars because we were [TS]

  getting our prize and before the awards [TS]

  ceremony starts I'm told by one of the [TS]

  organizers I say those two young people [TS]

  over there like young gifted physics [TS]

  students and they're going to be [TS]

  presenting your award because they're [TS]

  presenting some awards kind of United's [TS]

  like an initiative to get young talented [TS]

  students [TS]

  engage with professional physics and a [TS]

  treat for them and it's a nice idea [TS]

  isn't having school students present the [TS]

  awards who and the guy says to me and I [TS]

  think you know it's a bit of a daunting [TS]

  experience with all these old physicist [TS]

  around I think that get a real thrill [TS]

  out of getting to like meet you and have [TS]

  a chat with you because you know you're [TS]

  like the YouTube star person with [TS]

  celebrity yeah so I'm like of course I'd [TS]

  be really happy to talk to them to be [TS]

  really great what a great idea so I went [TS]

  over and spoke to them and I was talking [TS]

  to one of the guys and I'm like hi Brady [TS]

  and it was explained to him that I was [TS]

  getting an award he was like I was [TS]

  really nice on that yeah make these [TS]

  videos [TS]

  we're getting this award for sixty [TS]

  symbols and someone that's a deal to dr [TS]

  to watch sixty symbols and he's like [TS]

  blank never heard of it with it and I'm [TS]

  like okay let's put me down a peg and [TS]

  I'm like so I'm trying to make [TS]

  conversation with this guy who doesn't [TS]

  know me from Adam and I'm just another [TS]

  boring old person to it so I said Mr do [TS]

  you watch youtube videos like science [TS]

  youtube videos these are here I really [TS]

  love them mmm and I'm like oh tell me [TS]

  some of the ones you watch and I was [TS]

  hoping he'd like to say like numberphile [TS]

  a periodic videos or something and I [TS]

  could go yeah hey guess who I am [TS]

  mm so he starts listing off the ones he [TS]

  likes nothing I make gets a mention [TS]

  I'll tell you that right now but the one [TS]

  he mentions first that he absolutely [TS]

  loves is veritasium I'll of veritasium [TS]

  videos in my favor [TS]

  so after what happened to my sister I'm [TS]

  now forced to resort to Fame by [TS]

  association and I'm like uh yeah I know [TS]

  Derek like I hang around and then he's [TS]

  like our i really like the source and [TS]

  I'm looking haha I don't Michael too but [TS]

  like he's so excited that I know Derek [TS]

  em so I i send Derek text he's in [TS]

  california and i say i'm a some awards [TS]

  ceremony try to impress some kid who [TS]

  doesn't know me [TS]

  nobody like i try to i'm trying to [TS]

  because if it had been my job to make [TS]

  his night like I've been told he'd get [TS]

  through from speaking to me and he [TS]

  didn't give two hoots about me I feel [TS]

  like you really just crossed told me [TS]

  it's like okay this is sort of a funny [TS]

  story about how someone doesn't know who [TS]

  you are and there can be these really [TS]

  weird awkward social situations where if [TS]

  you make your living in a public way [TS]

  and like someone introduces you in a way [TS]

  where they expect someone to know who [TS]

  you are [TS]

  like I've been in some of the situations [TS]

  and I hate it when someone introduces me [TS]

  like as this person they expect someone [TS]

  else to know as I can please never do [TS]

  that is it no upside to it can be super [TS]

  awkward so like I have so much sympathy [TS]

  for you in this situation and the odds [TS]

  are so small because like our audiences [TS]

  I really so small when this game of [TS]

  things the chances of someone knowing [TS]

  it's a money [TS]

  yeah it's this very interesting thing [TS]

  with YouTube fame where it's like it can [TS]

  be large but it's so narrow at the same [TS]

  time it's not generalized Fame like [TS]

  celebrity so yeah I go out of my way to [TS]

  avoid those situations and so I like I'm [TS]

  listening to the story i'm totally with [TS]

  you home all on board except for now or [TS]

  when you cross the line and he cute [TS]

  that's it's a trick me like you're [TS]

  talking to this guy I didn't do this in [TS]

  front of the guy [TS]

  mm you know cuz i would i text eric [TS]

  occasionally we share fighting so we're [TS]

  like you know this is something we would [TS]

  do anyway [TS]

  mm so I basically said I'm i'm at this [TS]

  award ceremony and funny thing happened [TS]

  the guy's a massive fan of yours and it [TS]

  doesn't know me from Adam and I'm [TS]

  supposed to be you know the star of the [TS]

  night so then i say derek i told you at [TS]

  the guys name and said can you do me a [TS]

  favor and what a great guy Derek is that [TS]

  what great guy he is [TS]

  mhm he on the spot unlike a sidewalk in [TS]

  California and sent me a video of a [TS]

  personal message to this guy and I heels [TS]

  they did it so well he made it really [TS]

  like charming he said hey said the guys [TS]

  name here at the award ceremony and I [TS]

  hope you have a really great night and [TS]

  then I'm glad you got to meet brady and [TS]

  I'm glad you like protesting very classy [TS]

  like you know 22nd message so then i [TS]

  texted off to this guy and I my god did [TS]

  that make is not he was so excited I [TS]

  felt like about 1 foot tall but I still [TS]

  deliver the goods and made his not [TS]

  thanks to a good friend go from various [TS]

  tablet so it started all very braggy and [TS]

  by the end of it all I was pretty [TS]

  humbled that is humbled in the proper [TS]

  use of the term right feeling lower than [TS]

  you are [TS]

  as opposed to the way people seem to use [TS]

  it when they have achieved massive [TS]

  success and its really feel humbled when [TS]

  I did receive my word i could I didn't [TS]

  make space for anything that I could [TS]

  have said I'm truly humbled tonight and [TS]

  it would have been telling the truth I [TS]

  will warn you in advance Brady just in [TS]

  case you needed it but if you're ever in [TS]

  a situation where someone knows who I am [TS]

  but doesn't know who you [TS]

  our don't expect me to send a charming [TS]

  video message to the person so that you [TS]

  can impress them [TS]

  yeah do you think I'd ask i don't know i [TS]

  don't know how much pressure you'd be [TS]

  under to deliver the goods of making [TS]

  sure that this person knows that no [TS]

  person on the other hand if i have it [TS]

  was slight Destin Destin probably make [TS]

  them a 5-foot paper measured sculpture [TS]

  or something if it was destined he'd be [TS]

  landing in a helicopter in 20 minutes so [TS]

  gray bi weekly weigh-in [TS]

  hey dub wow this feels really out of the [TS]

  blue [TS]

  what makes you bring up the bi-weekly [TS]

  way and Brady you told me that if you [TS]

  love something you let it go and if it's [TS]

  truly yours it comes back to you [TS]

  I've come back to you wow yeah I feel [TS]

  like it has been a year i have no idea [TS]

  how long it takes for the long time I'm [TS]

  having another run at it just to be [TS]

  clear I'm really happy about this [TS]

  I just assumed I'd never be hearing [TS]

  these words ever again but it seems like [TS]

  right before Christmas might be the [TS]

  worst time in the world to start up a [TS]

  health kick [TS]

  so tell me what's going on what's going [TS]

  on I don't know just something happened [TS]

  something flicked in my mind I've [TS]

  suddenly I haven't sorted my food out [TS]

  yet [TS]

  okay that is a switch I'm yet to flick [TS]

  and we actually had to do your christmas [TS]

  stuff with family early because my wife [TS]

  and i are working over Christmas so [TS]

  we've done a lab starts a really bad [TS]

  eating the last week oh man what i have [TS]

  done is we joined a gym are quite like [TS]

  nearby and I've started very regular [TS]

  personal training sessions Oh [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  so you're working with a personal [TS]

  training i am at when possible which is [TS]

  not always possible [TS]

  best-case scenario three days awake wow [TS]

  that's fantastic how are you finding it [TS]

  I have done personal training before em [TS]

  when it comes to exercise its it's the [TS]

  way to go for me because I'm quite a [TS]

  proud person i'm not willing to like [TS]

  fail in front of someone even if it's [TS]

  just one person say if the personal [TS]

  trainer says all right I want you to do [TS]

  10 of them and then five of them i'm [TS]

  going to be hard as nails and say well [TS]

  alright i'm not going to let you see me [TS]

  not be able to it so basically he knows [TS]

  I'm unfit and he says let's start with [TS]

  this and see if you can do it [TS]

  time I do something he's like oh wow I'm [TS]

  surprised you did that lets up the ante [TS]

  he's not realizing that I'm dying inside [TS]

  but I right like I'm just like pushing [TS]

  myself to the limits of human endurance [TS]

  so that I would not be able to do [TS]

  something ask me to do he could probably [TS]

  say gonna lift up that car and I do it [TS]

  just out of sheer stubbornness great [TS]

  that seems like a good way to handle [TS]

  your personal health [TS]

  ok I've got to sort my food out because [TS]

  it's all for naught if I at the moment [TS]

  I'm just robbing Peter to pay Paul [TS]

  hmm but it's a start and I've done I've [TS]

  done five sessions so far and I'm gonna [TS]

  try and stick with it even stopping [TS]

  there would be a cause of great personal [TS]

  shame the only type the reason I left my [TS]

  previous personal trainer was because i [TS]

  left the city i moved away from [TS]

  Nottingham so I can't imagine stopping [TS]

  with a personal trainer so the only [TS]

  thing that's going to cause this to stop [TS]

  is me moving house [TS]

  Lou like so i can no longer see him or [TS]

  the most likely scenario is him changing [TS]

  jobs are not being a personal trainer [TS]

  anymore but until then I can't really [TS]

  see what will stop making wow this is [TS]

  fantastic news [TS]

  I feel like I'm [TS]

  I feel like I'm [TS]

  just totally unprepared for this I [TS]

  didn't know this was going to happen do [TS]

  you want to restart like regular [TS]

  conversations around this like do you [TS]

  want to do the weigh-in with numbers [TS]

  again or what are you thinking what's [TS]

  going on with your mind here i'm not [TS]

  thinking that I'm just letting you know [TS]

  i'm back on the horse and you know how [TS]

  well it's going by how often I bring it [TS]

  up haha yeah okay see that's what I was [TS]

  kind of thinking okay so so you're not [TS]

  committing to any kind of structured [TS]

  schedule here [TS]

  well I don't see a point now because you [TS]

  got where you wanted to be and you've [TS]

  got the body beautiful when you're [TS]

  living the dream now and so there's no [TS]

  real comparison to be made I'm just [TS]

  flying skyliner I achieve the way that I [TS]

  wanted to which is under 200 pounds but [TS]

  i think to say that i have the body [TS]

  beautiful now [TS]

  not exactly an accurate description like [TS]

  I could definitely do a lot more and/or [TS]

  various reasons in particular over the [TS]

  last several weeks like I have been very [TS]

  off the wagon as far as it comes to [TS]

  health and then when Christmas is [TS]

  rolling around I feel like goodbye wagon [TS]

  I'll catch you in January right like I'm [TS]

  not even i'm not going to make any kind [TS]

  of pretending so I am by no means on any [TS]

  kind of health kick but i'll just put it [TS]

  out there like if you wanted to ever do [TS]

  anything more structural more formal [TS]

  like I've got plenty of progress to [TS]

  still make even though i achieved my [TS]

  first goal so that would be something [TS]

  I'd be very open to baby steps cry [TS]

  babies i'm not gonna pressure you that's [TS]

  right i'm gonna let this Bird go fly [TS]

  back out and maybe we'll check in [TS]

  another year and we'll find out how that [TS]

  personal training has been going [TS]

  yeah you know at least in my own very [TS]

  limited experience with personal [TS]

  training like I found it [TS]

  shockingly effective in many ways that I [TS]

  wouldn't have expected because of that [TS]

  same phenomenon that when you're with [TS]

  somebody else they can push you much [TS]

  harder than you would naturally push [TS]

  yourself because there is that pressure [TS]

  of like well I don't want to look like a [TS]

  wimp [TS]

  so yeah I'm very happy breeding why you [TS]

  got any limited experience with personal [TS]

  training why don't you use a personal [TS]

  trainer all the time [TS]

  ok this is going to be a very gray [TS]

  answer probably but I did personal [TS]

  training for about six weeks before this [TS]

  summer when I was going to do a bunch of [TS]

  traveling i was doing it basically [TS]

  because i was getting to the point where [TS]

  I was concerned that i could injure [TS]

  myself with the weights that I was [TS]

  lifting and so I wanted to work with [TS]

  someone to make sure that i was doing it [TS]

  not in a dumb way [TS]

  I couldn't just be doing it on my own [TS]

  anymore at that point so I was kind of [TS]

  intending to work with someone just for [TS]

  a limited period of time to make sure [TS]

  that i was doing things right but more [TS]

  than that i found it absolutely mentally [TS]

  exhausting to have like a three days a [TS]

  week kind of hour-long meeting with [TS]

  another person early in the morning [TS]

  this does not work for me like my ideal [TS]

  morning is I get up and I don't talk to [TS]

  anyone until I've done all of my work [TS]

  and exercise and now it's like 12 or one [TS]

  in the afternoon [TS]

  that's my apps the ideal morning and so [TS]

  to have like a morning meeting with [TS]

  someone all the time I just found it [TS]

  really mentally draining and I was also [TS]

  aware that it and actually did have like [TS]

  an impact on my work being aware that [TS]

  like a line i have to be at the gym at [TS]

  this exact time [TS]

  yes I find that like this lie that [TS]

  people say which is that they're always [TS]

  like oh when you exercise it doesn't [TS]

  take that much time and add so much time [TS]

  to your life and like I have never found [TS]

  that to be the case like exercise does [TS]

  take a lot of time and I think it's [TS]

  better if you just mentally except that [TS]

  like this is going to take a big chunk [TS]

  out of your day [TS]

  yeah it's worth it yeah but it's just [TS]

  like accept the fact is going to take a [TS]

  big chunk out of your day yeah but I [TS]

  found that by having the regular meeting [TS]

  with the trainer it was impacting it [TS]

  even more like he was taking more of a [TS]

  chunk and then I just find it exhausting [TS]

  to try to talk to someone at ten-thirty [TS]

  in the morning and especially like [TS]

  constant small chitchat like I find that [TS]

  the most draining thing ever so I did it [TS]

  for a limited run i might do it again in [TS]

  the future for limited runs but i think [TS]

  i would probably rather kill myself then [TS]

  do indefinite ongoing personal training [TS]

  I couldn't possibly deal with that but [TS]

  it does bring me to the other thing i [TS]

  want to talk about about going to the [TS]

  gym [TS]

  mmm i'd start imagine you do this [TS]

  actually because even I find it socially [TS]

  awkward [TS]

  mmm the changing rooms do you go to gym [TS]

  changing rooms [TS]

  yeah where are you going with this [TS]

  what's awkward in the changing room just [TS]

  some people are more have more of an [TS]

  exhibitionist rate than others and I [TS]

  sometimes find I don't really know what [TS]

  to do with myself [TS]

  what you do is you keep eyes above waist [TS]

  level break [TS]

  right that's rule number one yeah can I [TS]

  zup right guys up if either up all the [TS]

  problems are solved I don't see what the [TS]

  issue is you're comfortable with that [TS]

  you're quite comfortable with all these [TS]

  new people around you and your nuding up [TS]

  yourself [TS]

  yes its relatives needing it up together [TS]

  in the chanting group I just thought [TS]

  you're the last person in the world that [TS]

  would be comfortable with that I mean [TS]

  I'm totally fine with the changing rooms [TS]

  because it's against it's like the the [TS]

  social rules in this environment we're [TS]

  all here at the gym together we're all [TS]

  using shared facilities [TS]

  this is just the way it is i don't see [TS]

  what there is to be uncomfortable about [TS]

  this is just like this is just a [TS]

  changing room we segregated by gender [TS]

  right for social politeness reasons and [TS]

  here we are we're in the changing room [TS]

  i'm actually surprised that you're not [TS]

  the guy who's chatting people up and in [TS]

  the change room I figured you'd be your [TS]

  normal chatty self and in the changing [TS]

  room but it feels like maybe not you're [TS]

  the guy looking down in Paris all the [TS]

  time [TS]

  I'm surprised by this I would say im [TS]

  looking down embarrassed overtime huh [TS]

  are more just shocked that you're cool [TS]

  with it [TS]

  I don't know it just seems like these [TS]

  are the rules here now that what else [TS]

  are we gonna do we all have to use the [TS]

  showers [TS]

  we all have to change our clothes as [TS]

  long as you follow the rule [TS]

  eyes up ok i just shaved you would be [TS]

  someone who would like just go home [TS]

  sweaty and get changed at home or build [TS]

  some kind of tau tent like a portable [TS]

  tends the Affordable tends to bring with [TS]

  me like you don't even that people say [TS]

  your face [TS]

  this is a totally different context [TS]

  you're mixing contacts here buddy [TS]

  one is not applicable to the other [TS]

  enough I locker romantic enough locker [TS]

  room banter but i'm very happy for you [TS]

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  around time much more informative and [TS]

  interesting you know we have the [TS]

  elements here [TS]

  no I love the elements and I feel like [TS]

  you have a soft spot for the periodic [TS]

  table 2 of course those four new [TS]

  elements medium / Moscow the m10 asain [TS]

  and organ ehsan have now gone through [TS]

  the consultation process they've been [TS]

  signed and sealed and stamped and [TS]

  authorized and they're now on the [TS]

  periodic table for all time I thought we [TS]

  should mark that no yeah no I matter [TS]

  with bit of an experiment as you know [TS]

  I've made videos about every single [TS]

  element of the period video so obviously [TS]

  we had for new videos to make now these [TS]

  elements are official just so that the [TS]

  collection is intact of course so we [TS]

  made the four new ones the other day and [TS]

  tell me what you think of this because [TS]

  all four were approved and authorized or [TS]

  once they kind of did them as a batch [TS]

  through the process I decided for fun [TS]

  more than anything to release all 4 [TS]

  videos at once simultaneously [TS]

  ok so you did four separate videos [TS]

  launched at the same time for separate [TS]

  videos and put them all out at exact [TS]

  same time so one o'clock yesterday or [TS]

  the day before bank press the button for [TS]

  new videos from period videos all at [TS]

  once treating each one individually like [TS]

  standalone so they can see on the [TS]

  website alone that stuff do you think [TS]

  that was a good idea do you think that [TS]

  was a terrible idea what do you think [TS]

  about that I presume that you're asking [TS]

  from the perspective of maximizing views [TS]

  is that what you're thinking that is one [TS]

  of the factors obviously is not a good [TS]

  idea for maximizing views i was aware of [TS]

  that like that was a sacrifice who they [TS]

  were pros and cons to doing it and I'm [TS]

  wondering if you think it was a stupid [TS]

  thing to have done or it appeals to your [TS]

  brain or you think i was big silly if I [TS]

  was running periodic videos i think i [TS]

  would not have release them all at once [TS]

  I don't think it's terribly silly thing [TS]

  to do but it just seems like so much of [TS]

  our careers is dependent on the YouTube [TS]

  algorithm and what the YouTube algorithm [TS]

  wants to promote and wants to show [TS]

  people and I can't imagine that [TS]

  releasing for videos at once is the kind [TS]

  of thing that the people who are [TS]

  designing that algorithm would expect to [TS]

  channel to do and so with this factor [TS]

  incorrectly to how it [TS]

  would be handled so I don't know what [TS]

  your view numbers were like on those [TS]

  videos at all but my feeling is if I had [TS]

  multiple videos to release I wouldn't [TS]

  release them all simultaneously now [TS]

  every once in a while I have released [TS]

  multiple videos on a single day usually [TS]

  where i have a video and then there's [TS]

  like a little footnote that I want to [TS]

  include with the video that's not a main [TS]

  thing and if I do that I'll at very [TS]

  least try to put a lot of time between [TS]

  them so like one will go up in the [TS]

  morning and then one will go up later in [TS]

  the afternoon because I I just feel like [TS]

  at the same time I'm not sure that the [TS]

  algorithm would like that and we all [TS]

  have to serve the algorithm Brady that's [TS]

  my feeling on this I didn't feel that [TS]

  way about this I didn't feel well [TS]

  obviously I didn't feel I should be [TS]

  serving the average because because I [TS]

  dinner and I knew and you don't like it [TS]

  but there are lots of factors that came [TS]

  into it and everything you say there is [TS]

  true but i guess i felt and also i am a [TS]

  bit less behold and to view counts then [TS]

  you are because of the way my business [TS]

  were right the other that's very true [TS]

  that's very true yeah a few interesting [TS]

  things that I mean my biggest concern [TS]

  was alienating people [TS]

  hmm and people feeling club to like [TS]

  because I don't even know how people get [TS]

  their alerts anymore would they get four [TS]

  emails with their subscription box or [TS]

  list be full of my stuff and it would [TS]

  piss them off because they like our God [TS]

  for videos in a row from the same mob [TS]

  you know unsubscribe so that was a [TS]

  concern spreading them out though like [TS]

  over the course of awake also felt like [TS]

  a concern because the videos do have a [TS]

  certain sameness to them on these [TS]

  reasons [TS]

  mhm so it could be like are you did this [TS]

  last week are you did this the week [TS]

  before and it will always give people [TS]

  more time to unsubscribe like they go [TS]

  like at once they forgive it once but [TS]

  after four weeks in a row that be like [TS]

  okay now you just taking the piss [TS]

  I'm and subscribing prices they're [TS]

  getting a plan movie in response to your [TS]

  element uploads like I don't know your [TS]

  comes another or ripping off the bandaid [TS]

  human at least four videos out that have [TS]

  got similar elements to them because [TS]

  they're all super-heavy element [TS]

  synthesized in similar ways right let's [TS]

  get it all at once but I [TS]

  also just like the idea of it being like [TS]

  be of an event and bit of a surprise and [TS]

  unexpected let people go wow when I woke [TS]

  up this morning I never thought that [TS]

  before new videos from this one channel [TS]

  and my think for some people it was [TS]

  better for like an event to whom I was [TS]

  also related to see how the four would [TS]

  compare on their views like it was a [TS]

  nice test wasn't of four videos that are [TS]

  all very similar which one would people [TS]

  click on which element named appeal to [TS]

  them one of them did a lot worse than [TS]

  the others and I wonder if that was [TS]

  algorithmic like whether or not for [TS]

  videos is one too many and like one was [TS]

  below some fold or not on some email or [TS]

  something but I feel like my guess is [TS]

  you're releasing them all at the same [TS]

  time but youtube has some concept of the [TS]

  upload time versus the release time [TS]

  my guess would be like the first one and [TS]

  the last one would do better than the [TS]

  two in the middle [TS]

  I don't really have any reason for that [TS]

  but that's just kind of my god guess for [TS]

  what I would expect no in terms of when [TS]

  I actually uploaded them because [TS]

  obviously couldn't upload them all the [TS]

  same time the first 2i uploaded did the [TS]

  best he the thirds done the worst i [TS]

  knows who knows i haven't done the [TS]

  analysis well enough I'm sure there's [TS]

  something interesting in there somewhere [TS]

  who and subscribers did dip it did hurt [TS]

  subscribers at one point the professor [TS]

  and the videos contact me so I think [TS]

  subscribers have actually dropped in the [TS]

  scheme of things I think it was still up [TS]

  for the day net but it was it did but it [TS]

  caused a visible did when you released [TS]

  all of them people are like too much [TS]

  periodic videos thank you very much but [TS]

  in some ways I don't mind that because [TS]

  if you're subscribing to a channel that [TS]

  is made its name by making videos about [TS]

  all the elements soon and then releasing [TS]

  four-element videos in a day puts you [TS]

  are truly then you're probably not the [TS]

  best subscribers for us to have like [TS]

  Facebook having like too many followers [TS]

  that aren't true believers can dilute [TS]

  you and hurt you algorithmically then [TS]

  maybe sometimes it's good to get rid of [TS]

  the chest yeah i mean that this gets to [TS]

  you know the thing about we just have no [TS]

  real idea how YouTube is handling these [TS]

  things behind the scenes and talking [TS]

  about the subscriber numbers i mean that [TS]

  we've mentioned it here many times when [TS]

  YouTube red conversations come up with [TS]

  other things but I just personally don't [TS]

  really put a lot of stock in that [TS]

  subscribe [TS]

  number anymore like I'm not even really [TS]

  sure what it means now especially with [TS]

  this change that YouTube has made where [TS]

  there's a way essentially now where you [TS]

  have to double subscribe or like you can [TS]

  subscribe to the channel but then you're [TS]

  also supposed to press the little dell [TS]

  next to the subscribe button which says [TS]

  that you actually want to get [TS]

  notifications about when this channel [TS]

  puts out new videos [TS]

  it's an interesting thing that youtube [TS]

  is still kind of built around this idea [TS]

  of rewarding people for subscribers [TS]

  obviously like with all of the silver [TS]

  play button that you have littered [TS]

  around your house they built around this [TS]

  idea but algorithmically I think the [TS]

  evidence just keeps piling up that the [TS]

  subscriber things don't matter so great [TS]

  when you put out for videos this is the [TS]

  kind of data youtube don't give us but I [TS]

  would just love to know how did youtube [TS]

  handle telling your audience that these [TS]

  four videos exist [TS]

  it doesn't make any sense when you have [TS]

  these subscriber numbers and then you [TS]

  look at video view numbers and they're [TS]

  just all over the place [TS]

  yeah so without cheating or looking at [TS]

  your screen great shut your eyes your [TS]

  shot my eyes are shut [TS]

  I told you those four new element names [TS]

  how many of them do you remember how [TS]

  tense scene I'll goodness on the podium [TS]

  I failed i'm sorry i'm sorry i cannot [TS]

  get the last one it was Moscow via Wow [TS]

  let's go rio and it's not in the pyonium [TS]

  it's not honey and with an h was behind [TS]

  on and nihon can be worse for japan i [TS]

  think and I've gone not onium who I'm [TS]

  gonna count that I think that's close [TS]

  enough [TS]

  alright yeah you think I get that on [TS]

  Jeopardy definitely not as the podium I [TS]

  think they give that to me [TS]

  they definitely would not 100-percent [TS]

  speaking of YouTube stuff we discussed [TS]

  these new ad formats or at least new to [TS]

  us ad formats that were popping up which [TS]

  is the sponsored item ads i was looking [TS]

  at a video that was describing how to [TS]

  build a secret cabinet in your house and [TS]

  underneath the youtube video were a [TS]

  bunch of ugly ads about how to buy a [TS]

  secret cabinet on youtube instead it's [TS]

  like when you buy a new car and suddenly [TS]

  you look around the world [TS]

  and it seems like this car is absolutely [TS]

  everywhere I don't know if it's just [TS]

  like I just tuned into this thing and [TS]

  now i see it absolutely everywhere but i [TS]

  have now seen these ads on my own videos [TS]

  where YouTube is trying to guess a [TS]

  product that is related to my videos and [TS]

  have a huge amount of space underneath [TS]

  the video directly related to trying to [TS]

  sell people that physical item my [TS]

  favorite example of this is my video on [TS]

  the rules for rulers which is constantly [TS]

  trying to sell people rulers right [TS]

  actual rulers you would use to measure [TS]

  the length of objects if you go watch [TS]

  that video underneath it it's trying to [TS]

  sell you rulers for like ninety-nine [TS]

  cents fifty cents to buy a cheapo [TS]

  plastic ruler we've discussed before [TS]

  that YouTube has this it doesn't look [TS]

  like the prettiest websites but I've got [TS]

  to say like to load up my video and to [TS]

  see a bunch of junky plastic rulers for [TS]

  sale below the video directly while the [TS]

  video plays and it also has a little [TS]

  pop-up that occurs part of the way [TS]

  through the video on the top of the [TS]

  screen that says click here to open up [TS]

  the slide over to buy some rulers it's [TS]

  how awful like it's just an awful ugly [TS]

  ad format i was looking through the [TS]

  YouTube analytics data and again it's [TS]

  always a little bit unclear precisely [TS]

  what we can tell the audience but you [TS]

  can see how much the different types of [TS]

  ads will learn for your channel and [TS]

  those pre-roll videos right they pay the [TS]

  most other different kinds of ads pay [TS]

  the least and I can't even find where [TS]

  these paid object ads are supposed to [TS]

  exist so I've been seriously considering [TS]

  going through my videos and trying to [TS]

  make sure to disable this kind of AD [TS]

  across all of my videos because i think [TS]

  that the shear ugliness of it is just [TS]

  not worth it like it just crosses a real [TS]

  line for me of how hideous these things [TS]

  are [TS]

  and if they're not even earning any [TS]

  money i would rather just not have my [TS]

  own audience see them and be just [TS]

  distracted by the hideousness of them [TS]

  what are they Kodaka maybe some of my [TS]

  channels on and i put for them just [TS]

  looking at one of my channels i can't [TS]

  even see what the code to disable them [TS]

  so maybe I don't get them in the youtube [TS]

  back-end they're called sponsored card [TS]

  ok this is the ad type that exists but i [TS]

  think is really devious about this is [TS]

  the sponsored card description seems to [TS]

  be that is just going to be an ad on the [TS]

  side but as best I can tell that [TS]

  sponsored card means that a youtube [TS]

  video will have that little slide over [TS]

  come out from the top like you put in a [TS]

  card except the person can click it to [TS]

  buy a thing and also below the video it [TS]

  will display these big images to buy [TS]

  whatever on ebay thats related to the [TS]

  actual video itself that's certainly not [TS]

  clear from that night because I didn't [TS]

  even know that's what that was [TS]

  it's not clear from that name at all and [TS]

  here's the thing that I am wondering [TS]

  youtube is doing this move where they're [TS]

  clearly no longer interested in [TS]

  annotations so it used to be on YouTube [TS]

  that you could draw a little box on the [TS]

  screen and people could click on that [TS]

  box and it would take them to another [TS]

  video or another website and we've [TS]

  complained mightily before about how [TS]

  annotations are really difficult to [TS]

  actually draw correctly on the screen [TS]

  the interface for them is pretty [TS]

  terrible but the advantage that they [TS]

  have is that the annotation [TS]

  click-through is really high like in my [TS]

  videos if I put a little box on the [TS]

  screen and I say something like click [TS]

  here or even if I don't people know to [TS]

  click those boxes to go see another [TS]

  video or to go see another thing because [TS]

  you've got control over what's in the [TS]

  box that can be something visually [TS]

  interesting or relevant or right that's [TS]

  exactly right you can put an image on [TS]

  the screen or you can just say click on [TS]

  my face and draw a box around your face [TS]

  and YouTube has introduced these cards [TS]

  which when they first came out I know we [TS]

  discussed it but these cards which are [TS]

  just a little slide over that appears on [TS]

  the top while they work on desktop and [TS]

  mobile at least in my own experimenting [TS]

  they have horrific click-through rates [TS]

  like eight [TS]

  and the number of click-throughs as [TS]

  compared to an annotation that's a real [TS]

  shine to great because to be totally [TS]

  honest they're much nicer that classy [TS]

  they're quite elegant they work well [TS]

  like I actually visually like the more [TS]

  like white people to me but i just-i [TS]

  work [TS]

  yeah the the annotations can look kind [TS]

  of junky partly because it's hard to [TS]

  draw them partly because the colors are [TS]

  really great [TS]

  the thing that I don't like about cards [TS]

  is how they're a little bit of an [TS]

  interruption in the video because their [TS]

  motion because they slide out i think [TS]

  they're a little bit visually [TS]

  distracting but i'll agree with you that [TS]

  overall the cards are a wind in the [TS]

  looks department right but i find myself [TS]

  even though youtube is increasingly [TS]

  trying to push us away from annotations [TS]

  and if you go to add an annotation now [TS]

  they kind of make you choose between [TS]

  annotations and other features like [TS]

  they're obviously they don't want you to [TS]

  use them but i find like I still want to [TS]

  use annotations because they're so [TS]

  incredibly effective and their doubly [TS]

  effective when you consider that half of [TS]

  the audience is usually watching on a [TS]

  mobile device where the annotations [TS]

  don't even work [TS]

  they don't even show up whereas card [TS]

  show up on both but thinking about these [TS]

  sponsored cards what I'm wondering is is [TS]

  if one of the reasons that the [TS]

  click-through rates on these cards are [TS]

  so low is because some percentage of [TS]

  them are just adds and so the people [TS]

  watching YouTube respond to them less [TS]

  because whatever it is maybe one out of [TS]

  20 or one out of 30 times when the thing [TS]

  pops up on the screen [TS]

  it's not a message from the creator of [TS]

  this video its why don't you buy a [TS]

  plastic ruler right now I'm just [TS]

  wondering if this is the reason why [TS]

  cards have such horrific click-through [TS]

  rates as compared to annotations because [TS]

  sometimes their ads people have been [TS]

  conditioned to treat them as noise and [TS]

  not a message from someone I trust [TS]

  yeah that is precisely what i'm [TS]

  wondering if this is like the conflicted [TS]

  message because as soon as I realized [TS]

  this I feel like boy I wasn't a big fan [TS]

  of cards in the beginning and unless of [TS]

  a fan of cards now that i know that the [TS]

  message can be mixed for the actual [TS]

  viewer I've just click through to [TS]

  YouTube's explanation [TS]

  enough what all the different types of [TS]

  ads are because we can't tell us from [TS]

  their name what we're saying is allowed [TS]

  or not allowed no videos who i scroll [TS]

  down to sponsored cards and from their [TS]

  description sponsored cards are what i [TS]

  would have thought they are they just [TS]

  little messages up the top with a little [TS]

  I symbol is quite tucked out of the way [TS]

  hm there's nothing in the official [TS]

  description of what sponsored cards are [TS]

  that says anything about big chunky ads [TS]

  displayed under your videos like on [TS]

  permanent display trashing up the screen [TS]

  so either that's being sneaky sneaky and [TS]

  they have included a who or it's not [TS]

  part of the sponsored card description [TS]

  and it's just something that we have no [TS]

  power over it just goes on whether you [TS]

  want to or not i agree with you right [TS]

  when I looked into this and I was trying [TS]

  to figure out why are these ugly ruler [TS]

  ads below my video they i might be wrong [TS]

  about this but this is the best that I [TS]

  could track it down and in doing a [TS]

  couple tests of flipping the switch just [TS]

  temporarily to see it looked like [TS]

  flipping the sponsored card thing was [TS]

  the one that would change the junkie ads [TS]

  at the bottom it does have this feeling [TS]

  of again that YouTube does these things [TS]

  and the messaging is just never clear [TS]

  like where are these ads exactly if [TS]

  you're looking at YouTube's official [TS]

  documents it doesn't seem like these are [TS]

  anywhere but they're clearly somewhere [TS]

  in the system [TS]

  youtube sure has a lot of different ad [TS]

  formats and it doesn't contribute to the [TS]

  overall niceness and nice-looking this [TS]

  of the platform puts a few dollars in [TS]

  your pocket I cgpgrey I mean maybe it's [TS]

  just suspicious to me because just like [TS]

  you say these ads don't seem to show up [TS]

  anywhere on the official documents about [TS]

  what kind of adds there are when I look [TS]

  through the analytics there is nothing [TS]

  in there that to me looks like here is [TS]

  the address minus that you got when [TS]

  somebody bought a ruler through your [TS]

  video and stuff like what are these [TS]

  things like what are these ugly things [TS]

  where is this money going what's [TS]

  occurring like it's not clear at all [TS]

  there's no clear message from YouTube [TS]

  about what these things are [TS]

  it's just a bad viewer experience and in [TS]

  the same way that like I always hate [TS]

  those little overlay ads that pop up on [TS]

  the bottom third [TS]

  I find them just so distracting from a [TS]

  video and that's part of the reason why [TS]

  i like I disable them on my videos and I [TS]

  think like these sponsored cards are [TS]

  like the same kind of thing again [TS]

  it diminishes the video that it's on in [TS]

  a way that i personally don't feel [TS]

  pre-roll ads or display ads on the side [TS]

  do those feel like they're apart from [TS]

  the video but this feels like it's just [TS]

  too much in the video itself can't [TS]

  disagree with you go and you're right if [TS]

  it turns out that the money from those [TS]

  junky ones underneath aren't going to [TS]

  the creator's then that's going to be an [TS]

  interesting little tale to tell later [TS]

  like it's going to be interesting to see [TS]

  how some people would react to that I've [TS]

  actually never seen one of my videos so [TS]

  i don't know much about them but maybe [TS]

  there's something dodgy going on [TS]

  yeah I personally suspect it's just that [TS]

  the revenue was so small that it's not [TS]

  really showing up on the analytics but [TS]

  who knows [TS]

  and again it's just that the message is [TS]

  always that it is unclear from the [TS]

  perspective of what is YouTube up to [TS]

  what is usually about two that could be [TS]

  on your gravestone perhaps you and I [TS]

  cgpgrey what was YouTube up to [TS]

  he never knew he never knew no matter [TS]

  how much you look at the end of it okay [TS]

  can I just say gray like people always [TS]

  ask us to watch different TV shows and [TS]

  movies and lose yet about them and we're [TS]

  always open to this and the one that a [TS]

  lot of people are asking about at the [TS]

  moment is the TV show [TS]

  westworld mm have you had a look at it [TS]

  by the way when no spoilers coming by [TS]

  the way people were not about to review [TS]

  or anything we just saw some graph he's [TS]

  watched westworld i have not watched it [TS]

  i have seen 10,000 requests for me to [TS]

  watch westworld i did as a child watch [TS]

  the original movie or TV series that [TS]

  it's based on a book based on a book i [TS]

  think that it was a movie okay i don't [TS]

  remember very much about it except the [TS]

  broadest over line but i know i saw the [TS]

  original as a child but no I have not [TS]

  actually watch westworld have you I have [TS]

  watched maybe the first four episodes [TS]

  who and I'm not going to review our [TS]

  spoiler except to say I've stopped with [TS]

  better if it is set as homework for [TS]

  whatever reason [TS]

  I guess I would do it because you know [TS]

  we do that for the tims but I certainly [TS]

  couldn't in good faith ask you to watch [TS]

  it [TS]

  hmm interesting you may love it but some [TS]

  people certainly had a loving the hell [TS]

  out of it and everyone thinks you love [TS]

  it and things i will ever [TS]

  that's certainly for whatever reason was [TS]

  not the case so far maybe it gets better [TS]

  maybe I was in a bad mood maybe you just [TS]

  don't like it very much [TS]

  hmm but i stopped so i'm not inclined to [TS]

  do it at the moon so I'll maybe I'll [TS]

  leave that bowl in your core sort of [TS]

  floating there for discussion another [TS]

  day but we are saying all the west-world [TS]

  request kind of maybe stopped because [TS]

  i'm getting lots of emails about that [TS]

  it's not like we haven't seen it so you [TS]

  don't have to like tell us because we [TS]

  don't know about the show if I hadn't [TS]

  left the show but so if you're about to [TS]

  send me an e-mail recommending it like [TS]

  you're still welcome to do that but you [TS]

  don't need to do right i am aware of the [TS]

  show [TS]

  yeah I feel like the volume of feedback [TS]

  on this has been so incredibly large [TS]

  that we do want to just touch upon it [TS]

  like we have heard we are aware i [TS]

  suspect i will probably watch it at some [TS]

  point and then maybe we'll discuss it [TS]

  based on on if there's something [TS]

  interesting to talk about their but yes [TS]

  II don't need to keep tweeting and Brady [TS]

  and I that we need to watch westworld [TS]

  because we are very over aware of the [TS]

  existence of this although again i have [TS]

  to say our audience is the best audience [TS]

  because they know what to do [TS]

  people are just recommending the show [TS]

  and they're not saying anything and and [TS]

  that's perfect and I always just want to [TS]

  say like I appreciate that from [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  you're doing it the right way maybe [TS]

  we'll touch on it maybe we won't but [TS]

  we've certainly heard about it but I by [TS]

  the way i watch that final episode [TS]

  no spoilers again but I watched that [TS]

  episode of black mirror that I hadn't [TS]

  watched the fifth one and I'm glad I did [TS]

  better than I expected so okay if you [TS]

  didn't watch that one because we didn't [TS]

  talk about much last time with watch you [TS]

  sort of said you said it was the worst [TS]

  and maybe arrived at that I don't know [TS]

  but still the worst of black mare is [TS]

  still pretty good and I liked the [TS]

  episode [TS]

  good I'm glad you completed after season [TS]

  they're ready by the way [TS]

  when we talked about the name of the [TS]

  show black mirror and I said I thought [TS]

  it was because the TV show holds like a [TS]

  mirror up to society and reflects back [TS]

  what we're like to us but with this [TS]

  black tinge to me that seems obvious [TS]

  that's what it was and then you came up [TS]

  with some lame-o reason that you thought [TS]

  it was old like mirror which is [TS]

  basically along the lines of will help [TS]

  these little rectangular mirror like [TS]

  devices which aligns right and I [TS]

  secretly thought to myself great doesn't [TS]

  it was told that my explanation makes [TS]

  way more sense [TS]

  clearly I'm rot and landmines really [TS]

  cool reason and i told my wife issue why [TS]

  do you think it's called black mirror [TS]

  she totally great with me my way down to [TS]

  wikipedia and i was reading a quote from [TS]

  charlie brooker who created black mirror [TS]

  looking to the Guardian and he said [TS]

  various things and then he said the [TS]

  black mirror of the total is the one you [TS]

  found on every wall on every desk in the [TS]

  palm of every hand haha shiny screen of [TS]

  a TV monitor a smart find a cantilever [TS]

  you were right point2 gray my [TS]

  explanation is way better than mine is [TS]

  way writer do you think mine's better it [TS]

  makes more sense [TS]

  that's mine reflects what the show is [TS]

  calling up like marriages because we [TS]

  have smartphones that a black black [TS]

  bears about all sorts of things it [TS]

  doesn't even involve phones but it's [TS]

  always holding a mirror up to a society [TS]

  with a dark angle and cast to it [TS]

  cantilever here's the thing i think [TS]

  we're both right Brady in that the phone [TS]

  does contain a black mirror and I think [TS]

  we can still interpret it in in this way [TS]

  that technology is a black mirror that [TS]

  reflects us back to ourselves so i think [TS]

  we can both be right but I'm writer this [TS]

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  supporting the show okay Brady I have a [TS]

  question for you that I feel like I [TS]

  don't know what your answer is going to [TS]

  be and as we have touched upon in the [TS]

  show I sometimes have like a very [TS]

  limited repertoire of conversation [TS]

  starters with people when I have to [TS]

  socialize like let's get into an [TS]

  argument about free will like this is an [TS]

  interesting thing to talk about and [TS]

  people seem to always get riled up about [TS]

  it i have a few of these that I tried to [TS]

  keep in my back pocket but there's one [TS]

  question that i've come across recently [TS]

  that people seem to react to very often [TS]

  in surprising ways that I'm kind of [TS]

  adding to this list and the question is [TS]

  what do you eat [TS]

  synthetic meat like a cheeseburger that [TS]

  was grown in a lab is that something [TS]

  that you would feel comfortable eating [TS]

  i'm asking this because I've been [TS]

  vaguely following this is a technology [TS]

  for a while but it seems like in the [TS]

  past year [TS]

  this is becoming a real thing that is [TS]

  probably within the next five years [TS]

  going to be relatively commercially [TS]

  viable where there is lab-grown muscle [TS]

  tissue [TS]

  yeah that is meat and so there's there's [TS]

  a few companies that are doing this and [TS]

  i feel like i have a very poor sense of [TS]

  how you're going to answer this question [TS]

  well let me start by saying mmm yeah I [TS]

  think I would [TS]

  oh yeah that's probably it with saying I [TS]

  know they're making this stuff and like [TS]

  you know its size to sizzle that made [TS]

  have blood because i live in a half [TS]

  vegetarian household makes substitutes [TS]

  already [TS]

  mm I have [TS]

  and so a lot of these things are already [TS]

  donated kind of weird ways out there all [TS]

  these corn products and things are made [TS]

  in interesting ways i know the names [TS]

  synthetic muscle tissue but who they're [TS]

  already growing things to be meat like [TS]

  and I some of them i don't like them as [TS]

  much as make know they're never as good [TS]

  now some of them surprise you though [TS]

  occasionally I get surprised by how some [TS]

  of them can work ok but synthetic may I [TS]

  think it would it would just depend on [TS]

  how good it was [TS]

  I guess I haven't thought about any of [TS]

  the dilemmas to it but I'm not too [TS]

  weirded out by I'm fine farmer would you [TS]

  later I feel like I'm not too surprised [TS]

  by that as you were just talking about i [TS]

  feel like you're a relatively [TS]

  adventurous guy and so I feel like you'd [TS]

  probably give almost anything a try and [TS]

  then it is not surprising that it would [TS]

  come down to does it taste good or does [TS]

  it not taste good so I feel like I'm [TS]

  sort of unsurprised by that but I have [TS]

  definitely come across people who seem [TS]

  like they find the idea terrifying or [TS]

  repulsive but I have a hard time pinning [TS]

  down why right and i think that this is [TS]

  this is a often the case with new [TS]

  technology stuff where people react [TS]

  poorly because it's a thing that's new [TS]

  or they can articulate their reasons as [TS]

  to why I got offered a little bit when [TS]

  you describe a synthetically growing [TS]

  muscle tissue i prefer it when you call [TS]

  the synthetic maker her x factor that [TS]

  justjust for the marketing about that [TS]

  yeah what are we doing for lab growing [TS]

  carcasses that it's like no don't we [TS]

  call it like synthetic muscle tissue it [TS]

  suddenly seems more wrong with that [TS]

  that's that's that's not supposed to [TS]

  exist so trying to think of a better [TS]

  name for it you know you meet ya [TS]

  we need to call it like freedom burgers [TS]

  or something right like that's the [TS]

  modulator name is this has nothing to do [TS]

  with what it is that makes a 5000 ok [TS]

  that my feeling on this is ok so I'm [TS]

  going to make it like a little bit of a [TS]

  prediction here but but I think like [TS]

  once this becomes commercially viable [TS]

  because right now it is just [TS]

  ridiculously expensive but like with any [TS]

  of these things like with gene testing [TS]

  technology like with anything that [TS]

  prices dropping very rapid [TS]

  and I think there's going to come some [TS]

  point at which those lines cross of how [TS]

  much does it cost to raise an actual cow [TS]

  two full-grown adult hood and slaughter [TS]

  it's right and ship the burgers versus [TS]

  how much does it cost to grow synthetic [TS]

  meat in a lab like I think those lines [TS]

  are going to cross where synthetic meat [TS]

  becomes cheaper and I bet that once that [TS]

  happens the people who are having [TS]

  negative reactions to this i think this [TS]

  is going to become pretty standard [TS]

  pretty fast [TS]

  it's an interesting thing because ok [TS]

  this is going to be like a totally [TS]

  overblown metaphor practice what I want [TS]

  to let people understand [TS]

  oh right i know what kind of things [TS]

  right I know you know I know that you [TS]

  will like this right but I just before I [TS]

  say the words I want people to [TS]

  understand i'm aware that the thing that [TS]

  I'm about to say is an overblown [TS]

  metaphor but i think the synthetic meat [TS]

  reminds me of slavery so i think this is [TS]

  one of these things where if you go back [TS]

  and you look at the historical records [TS]

  people at the time like in the seventeen [TS]

  hundreds like letters from the founding [TS]

  fathers people knew that slavery was a [TS]

  bad thing but it took a long time before [TS]

  we actually got rid of it and my [TS]

  personal theory on this is that a lot of [TS]

  the reasons why various countries got [TS]

  rid of slavery at the various times that [TS]

  they did has much more to do with like [TS]

  the economics of the time and the [TS]

  available technology at the time then it [TS]

  does to do with the idea that people [TS]

  suddenly woke up and realized no slavery [TS]

  what a terrible idea like this is an [TS]

  awful thing to do to our fellow human [TS]

  beings i got i think there's a kind of [TS]

  technological economic change that [TS]

  encourages those sorts of things to [TS]

  happen at one time or another yet and I [TS]

  think we're going to go through the [TS]

  exact same thing with synthetic meat in [TS]

  the next maybe 10 years or so that i [TS]

  don't think there's anybody who really [TS]

  argues for the way we currently produce [TS]

  meat as like a great humane amazing [TS]

  thing [TS]

  to do but i think we consume so much [TS]

  meat because of the economics of it and [TS]

  because of how much people like the [TS]

  taste of it but I think like as soon as [TS]

  these lines cross and it makes economic [TS]

  sense to be using synthetic meat we're [TS]

  going to have like a like a sort of [TS]

  similar thing to slavery where it's [TS]

  going to be very easy for people on the [TS]

  other side of this to be saying like [TS]

  well obviously factory farming was such [TS]

  a horrific Lee inhumane thing to do but [TS]

  we're only going to be able to do that [TS]

  once the economics also makes sense so [TS]

  stop fretting the cows once we can [TS]

  afford to free the cows exactly right [TS]

  it's like we know it's bad now just like [TS]

  people always knew slavery wasn't a [TS]

  great idea but I think when people are [TS]

  thinking about enacting change and when [TS]

  and when people think like oh we need to [TS]

  change the way factory farming is done [TS]

  so that it's more humane I come down on [TS]

  the other side of this is like if you [TS]

  really want to effect change in this way [TS]

  you should encourage research into [TS]

  synthetic meat right and you should try [TS]

  to get everyone you know on board with [TS]

  eating synthetic meat like that's the [TS]

  way you're actually going to change this [TS]

  kind of thing you're never going to [TS]

  change the factory farm you can only [TS]

  change the economics around the factory [TS]

  farm to make it unprofitable compared to [TS]

  the alternatives i don't think it's an [TS]

  overblown metaphor i can think of [TS]

  someone that lives in my house that was [TS]

  agree with you but I don't know whether [TS]

  my wife would agree that with your [TS]

  synthetic mate argument I've never [TS]

  discussed it with her whether that's [TS]

  them that's the cave but certainly I [TS]

  lots of vegetarians who be quite [TS]

  comfortable with the way we treat [TS]

  animals being described as slavery [TS]

  hmm that's quite inflammatory thing to [TS]

  say but I don't think that means it's [TS]

  wrong you know maybe inflammatory is [TS]

  better but this is one of these things [TS]

  where I'm just kind of curious to see if [TS]

  it plays out the way that I think it [TS]

  will play out that it will suddenly be [TS]

  like Oh factory farming which we've [TS]

  always known is bad becomes suddenly [TS]

  intolerable right like we as a society [TS]

  suddenly decide that it's absolutely [TS]

  intolerable and it's like we don't [TS]

  really talk directly about how it's [TS]

  related to the fact that synthetic meat [TS]

  is cheaper in the same way that at least [TS]

  in the limited way that I've [TS]

  looked into it particularly within the [TS]

  united states like a lot of things [TS]

  around slavery seem to be related to the [TS]

  farming technology at the time like in [TS]

  what required a lot of manpower versus [TS]

  what didn't and it's like oh it's funny [TS]

  how as the value of manpower goes down [TS]

  like the calls for getting rid of [TS]

  slavery go up and also become more [TS]

  effective [TS]

  I just wonder if that's going to be the [TS]

  same kind of case with the synthetic [TS]

  meat i don't know i find it interesting [TS]

  that when you're making the argument [TS]

  it's almost like a bit of an animal [TS]

  rights argument which is a nice thing to [TS]

  be baking that you're stopping short [TS]

  that your you keep saying factory [TS]

  farming like you're almost saying it [TS]

  would still be okay to eat a shape for [TS]

  support up in Nice circumstances it's [TS]

  just a factory should Nate it's almost [TS]

  like if you're gonna be a bear be a [TS]

  grizzly great if you're going to say [TS]

  that animals have these rides why are [TS]

  you stopping at factory farming why you [TS]

  saying maybe we should be eating animals [TS]

  at all and we're just doing it out of [TS]

  economic expediency [TS]

  well I guess I'm saying factory farming [TS]

  here because the horrible thing is like [TS]

  the life condition and the death of the [TS]

  animal [TS]

  I'm just thinking out loud here but I [TS]

  could imagine a scenario where if let's [TS]

  say like the farm that exists on my [TS]

  package of eggs which is it like a [TS]

  perfect farm and some hills or some [TS]

  chickens running around and they're [TS]

  being totally happy chickens they give [TS]

  that if that farm actually exists and [TS]

  the chickens are living a happy life [TS]

  right up until the very end and they [TS]

  never see the very end coming [TS]

  I don't necessarily think there's [TS]

  anything bad with that this like a [TS]

  chicken lives a happy life and never [TS]

  suffers and we also eat the chicken [TS]

  I'm not sure I can really get behind the [TS]

  idea of that being terribly morally [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  I don't know I feel like I haven't [TS]

  really sat down and thought that through [TS]

  to its its full extent but I feel like [TS]

  I'm pretty okay with the idea of eating [TS]

  an animal that has lived a happy life [TS]

  I think I'm okay with eating happy [TS]

  chickens before we go [TS]

  I think that maybe a coke coming through [TS]

  i'm not great I don't want to hear it I [TS]

  swear to god I'm clenching up already [TS]

  I don't I i just got failing now I've [TS]

  been good tho Brady I've been good the [TS]

  whole teeth [TS]

  let's find out that's answer this cold [TS]

  god it's so horrible [TS]

  huh oh hello its center here [TS]

  Who am I speaking to cgpgrey everywhere [TS]

  with the slowest hoping you would answer [TS]

  if i remember correctly you're five [TS]

  years old [TS]

  is that right it's am super listen I've [TS]

  decided to personally corn and because [TS]

  I've heard that you been a bit of a [TS]

  naughty boy that's not true that means [TS]

  I've had to put your name on my naughty [TS]

  list [TS]

  the elves and I are not impressed [TS]

  you must not true self and show that you [TS]

  could the good child that I know you are [TS]

  my elves have to me that you can be very [TS]

  well behaved [TS]

  did you tell me what to do said that can [TS]

  you promise me that you'll be good from [TS]

  now on I'm rebelling against this system [TS]

  no he don't know i don't like this at [TS]

  all no but it was jolly nice talking to [TS]

  you but I have to go now you know I'm [TS]

  very busy preparing for Christmas I'm [TS]

  going to take my new slave richest drive [TS]

  remember it's very important to behave [TS]

  well all year round [TS]

  I hope how talk to you again soon [TS]

  merry Chris pass and now he's been on [TS]

  ice is put you on the naughty list [TS]

  imagine that getting a cold from Santa [TS]

  big toads directly you're on the naughty [TS]

  list [TS]

  that's it you might as well just give up [TS]

  it's just a total black mirror nightmare [TS]

  it really is it [TS]