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  mmm that was half lots of a half wookie [TS]

  co yeah I don't know what that was that [TS]

  went terribly wrong i guess i was going [TS]

  wrong when i was doing it but whatever [TS]

  the show must go on [TS]

  what do you think of the taco [TS]

  I think it's pretty coat i think it's a [TS]

  very good title rogue one is a good [TS]

  title for Star Wars movie [TS]

  I liked it thumbs up two thumbs up for [TS]

  the title good stop [TS]

  yeah it's it's it's funny for me because [TS]

  for various reasons i have been more [TS]

  disconnected from the world than normal [TS]

  for the past many weeks I only just [TS]

  found out literally like days ago that [TS]

  this star wars movie even existed and [TS]

  was in the theaters so I I went into [TS]

  this one knowing the words Road one and [TS]

  vaguely what I'd heard a year ago that [TS]

  they were going to make a movie about [TS]

  getting the Death Star plans [TS]

  yeah and that was that was the entire [TS]

  extent of my knowledge like I knew more [TS]

  about the force awakens by multiples of [TS]

  hundreds than than this movie so I went [TS]

  into it [TS]

  just knowing cool title very cool title [TS]

  and that was basically it did not saying [TS]

  trailers or anything or I hadn't seen [TS]

  trailers I hadn't seen posters is [TS]

  somehow this one totally blew past me [TS]

  yeah and the only thing I knew about it [TS]

  was was last year hearing about their [TS]

  plan to do and in between sewed kind of [TS]

  a movie every year as opposed to their [TS]

  main one so that was it i knew i knew [TS]

  nothing walking into the Star Wars movie [TS]

  nice work i managed to remain reasonably [TS]

  spoiler-free thank goodness and as of [TS]

  now i'm also very very review and [TS]

  opinion free [TS]

  mmm i do not have reasonably positive [TS]

  reviews raised me positive but I don't [TS]

  know what people have liked to not like [TS]

  to what people have said so things we [TS]

  say that we might think of profound may [TS]

  have been set of thousand times before [TS]

  or we may find something amazing thing [TS]

  that no one's ever said before but [TS]

  knowing the sort of star wars ii podcast [TS]

  few things I think we're all going to be [TS]

  saying the same things that everyone [TS]

  else says yeah if if if last year's Star [TS]

  Wars Christmas special was anything to [TS]

  go by what we regard ourselves from [TS]

  listening to all sorts of reviews not [TS]

  only to discover after recording our [TS]

  podcast and listening to everybody [TS]

  else's that there was a very strong [TS]

  consensus opinion [TS]

  yeah i feel i feel a little bit more [TS]

  more nervous going into this podcast [TS]

  having not looked out into the wider [TS]

  world and seeing what people think of [TS]

  the movie because I feel like I have [TS]

  much stronger opinions in particular [TS]

  ways for this one really i'm a little [TS]

  actually feeling a little bit like I [TS]

  don't know how my reactions to what are [TS]

  going to match up with the wider world [TS]

  reactions on the barbecue area to see if [TS]

  it repeats that shouldn't matter grey I [TS]

  shouldn't matter you should be fiercely [TS]

  independent [TS]

  youyou strong independent minded cgpgrey [TS]

  never a shape [TS]

  why you nervous about how your opinion [TS]

  compares with us I don't know I guess I [TS]

  guess nervous isn't exactly the right [TS]

  word but it's just i'm looking at like a [TS]

  big page of notes and i have a bunch of [TS]

  strong opinions and it's just [TS]

  interesting to see like I'm gonna get a [TS]

  ton of feedback from people saying that [TS]

  I'm totally wrong or is or is it going [TS]

  to be just like oh yes you have you have [TS]

  the same thoughts as everybody else like [TS]

  last year I don't know it's just kind of [TS]

  a funny thing to to be going into this [TS]

  with i think that that kind of like I [TS]

  have no idea what anybody else thought [TS]

  about it i literally just saw it it came [TS]

  out of the theater like a couple hours [TS]

  ago from my notes viewing of the movie [TS]

  and so now we are we are walking into [TS]

  the recording i have 22 tiny little [TS]

  bullet points that I made on my iphone [TS]

  during the film so they're roughly in [TS]

  order are basically because I made them [TS]

  as the film went on and I made them on a [TS]

  checklist app that i never i don't use [TS]

  for anything other than the podcast i [TS]

  have 22 things to say [TS]

  maybe but I imagine it's going to be a [TS]

  lot of duplication and also i mentioned [TS]

  some of them are either going to be so [TS]

  badly tight or I'm not gonna remember [TS]

  what they made because i haven't read it [TS]

  back yet so let's see how we go alright [TS]

  let's see how we go where do we start [TS]

  well I guess I guess [TS]

  don't we have to do the thing that you [TS]

  always want to do which is brady you [TS]

  have to you have to give your your [TS]

  overall opinion and feeling of the movie [TS]

  yeah I don't think that we need to do [TS]

  this but I feel like isn't that what we [TS]

  always have to do this feels like the [TS]

  Brady rule for discussing movies it is [TS]

  kind of a tradition and I do think it's [TS]

  useful but i was thinking of doing it [TS]

  your way for once in giving your one-off [TS]

  exemption [TS]

  but but I i think it does help and maybe [TS]

  it is a tradition [TS]

  hmm ok so it's funny that you wanted to [TS]

  do with the reverse way because you [TS]

  finally prepared for know is it's not [TS]

  that I was prepared for it it's not that [TS]

  I was prepared for it because i think [TS]

  most of the time my way is better [TS]

  hmm i but but that's you know that's [TS]

  going to be the title of your [TS]

  autobiography my way is better at the [TS]

  cgpgrey story but this one time I feel [TS]

  like I can't walk through the movie and [TS]

  talk about it without having the overall [TS]

  framework in place I feel like that [TS]

  conversation would almost be a a silly [TS]

  pointless conversation so i think i'm [TS]

  going to press very hard with we should [TS]

  give our opinions at the beginning [TS]

  because I don't know how to talk about [TS]

  this otherwise i love it I love it [TS]

  alright and so Brady I want to know what [TS]

  is your high-level take away from rogue [TS]

  one how do you feel about it i thought i [TS]

  was gonna love it [TS]

  Lou and I feel surprisingly indifferent [TS]

  about it who I thought I just sort of [TS]

  thing man [TS]

  it was it was just like a good movie it [TS]

  was a good movie it was well done [TS]

  I there were lots of things I liked [TS]

  about it it was well-executed I'd be [TS]

  very proud of myself if I'd made it ok [TS]

  but it was just like for various reasons [TS]

  that will touch on it didn't like [TS]

  grabbed me it didn't it didn't it it [TS]

  roused very little emotion in me and the [TS]

  way that even a force the force awakens [TS]

  did that mean i'm back i got very [TS]

  emotional about that film but this was [TS]

  just kind of I just sort of felt like [TS]

  watching it was little bit of a chore [TS]

  who and it was nice [TS]

  there are lots of there are lots of good [TS]

  things and you know I couldn't possibly [TS]

  give it a thumbs down because it's a [TS]

  good film but I just [TS]

  but i'm not gonna give it like a big [TS]

  thumbs up I mean I a good test was are [TS]

  sore on my own little my wife doesn't [TS]

  mind style was movies and she was a bit [TS]

  jealous that I was going to get together [TS]

  and say it without her cause she was at [TS]

  work and I said to her and this is what [TS]

  happened with force awakens to i watch [TS]

  that with her as well because of the [TS]

  same reason but I [TS]

  tresor I said we've got to see it and [TS]

  the next night we went to work together [TS]

  when she came home from work with this [TS]

  one and she said so what was rode one [TS]

  like you know am I gonna go on say it [TS]

  with you my answer was I think you can [TS]

  probably wait [TS]

  hmm I wouldn't rush out to see it this [TS]

  is gonna be like a you watch it on [TS]

  Netflix sometime kind of movie [TS]

  yeah yeah so so it could have been far [TS]

  worse you know we all we all know we all [TS]

  know what happens when a star wars movie [TS]

  goes wrong the radio we all know how bad [TS]

  it could be and that and that definitely [TS]

  didn't happen right but my overall [TS]

  feeling is some good stuff some very [TS]

  good stuff actually few things I can't [TS]

  wait to talk about some things that I [TS]

  thought mr. mark was an important things [TS]

  I think miss the mark who [TS]

  but solid if they make one of these [TS]

  every second year i'll go watch em and i [TS]

  think that i don't think they could I do [TS]

  think it sort of you just dragging down [TS]

  Style Wars a whole little bit for my [TS]

  liking but that's just me being me who [TS]

  and being an old grump better if they [TS]

  have to if they have to make them and [TS]

  they keep making them at this level [TS]

  I'm okay with that interesting [TS]

  interesting Brady mm so that feels like [TS]

  a at an overall like it [TS]

  tepid enjoyment is that is that what I'm [TS]

  getting from you that's not unfair it's [TS]

  like it's not a big vertical thumbs up [TS]

  right [TS]

  it's not a thumbs down right it's kind [TS]

  of a thumb pointing at about eight or [TS]

  ten o'clock on the clock because you're [TS]

  turning this binary scale into actually [TS]

  a rotational scale right that's what's [TS]

  occurring there [TS]

  yeah i'm using your thumbs up thumbs [TS]

  down in my way right and i'm just [TS]

  picturing all the teams at home right [TS]

  now holding up their family pointing at [TS]

  about ten o'clock yeah okay I see what [TS]

  he means if you're doing it i can see [TS]

  you there you go [TS]

  did you do it I didn't do it reading now [TS]

  and why would I be doing your thumbs up [TS]

  and 45 or at ten o'clock i don't [TS]

  understand why would be doing that where [TS]

  does your thumb point on this great give [TS]

  me your big picture [TS]

  ok so big picture [TS]

  I have to say that what i really liked [TS]

  and what I kept feeling throughout the [TS]

  movie was I enjoy this universe and I [TS]

  really enjoy this star wars universe and [TS]

  unlike the really terrible movies I felt [TS]

  like rode one is a movie that is so [TS]

  clearly in the star wars universe as it [TS]

  is in my head all of the sets look great [TS]

  all of the costume design looks great [TS]

  all of the physical items and props and [TS]

  like everything that they're doing it [TS]

  just looks Star Wars it feels Star Wars [TS]

  it sounds like Star Wars and I'm sitting [TS]

  there in the theater thinking where I [TS]

  really just I love this universe like [TS]

  this universe is burned into my brain [TS]

  but I i have to say i thought this movie [TS]

  was just like a disaster as mess I i'm [TS]

  not a fan [TS]

  I have to say I really really it's not [TS]

  that I didn't like it is not like oh [TS]

  what a terrible movie it but it's just [TS]

  this word is the word that keeps coming [TS]

  into my mind like it's a sloppy mess [TS]

  there's just as much as like oh I want [TS]

  to see a bunch of Star Wars stuff and [TS]

  that is that is like great [TS]

  it also felt like there's just Star Wars [TS]

  junk all over the place where where's [TS]

  ipping all over the universe were going [TS]

  to all of these different locations [TS]

  I understand what's happening but [TS]

  there's just too much going on there [TS]

  isn't like a clear story line heading [TS]

  heading through it and it just it's a [TS]

  mess like I think that that's that's my [TS]

  my like blurb on the movie poster like [TS]

  Star Wars road one it's a mess like [TS]

  that's that's how it feels to be [TS]

  watching it and so I feel like I saw the [TS]

  movie last night for the first time and [TS]

  I always like to just watch a movie and [TS]

  have let it wash over me and then I saw [TS]

  it this morning to take some notes on [TS]

  some particular things and and to pay [TS]

  attention to some of the scenes that I [TS]

  was thinking about from last night and I [TS]

  just feel totally reconfirmed in my my [TS]

  takeaway like it's just it's just a mess [TS]

  it feels like i don't know maybe that [TS]

  maybe the scriptures was rushed or I [TS]

  don't know what it is but it just it [TS]

  doesn't hold together for me as [TS]

  as a movie and on my first watching I [TS]

  felt completely totally uninvolved [TS]

  emotionally throughout ninety-five [TS]

  percent of the entire running of the [TS]

  film that is its biggest downfall from [TS]

  80 for the lack of emotional engagement [TS]

  and any level of care about the [TS]

  characters even I can't disagree with [TS]

  you about it being a mess gray and [TS]

  there's no better way than to realize [TS]

  what a mess it is then to read the plot [TS]

  summary on wikipedia and you just get [TS]

  like I tried to read it three or four [TS]

  times and it's just like the fact that [TS]

  give it every one such ridiculous names [TS]

  doesn't help [TS]

  no but yeah you've got things like Jean [TS]

  and/or and his reprogram Imperial Droid [TS]

  k 2 s.o travel to Jenna where the [TS]

  Empire's mining Kyber crystals to power [TS]

  the superweapon Herrera and his [TS]

  partisans are engaged in armed [TS]

  insurgency against them with the aid of [TS]

  a blind warrior cheer up in we and [TS]

  mercenary Bay's Melba's gin makes [TS]

  contact with kanima what are what [TS]

  yeah it and they go to more places than [TS]

  they needed to have this feeling about [TS]

  movies that you can know what a movie is [TS]

  like very fast right within the first [TS]

  two scenes of the movie lots of movies [TS]

  will have an establishing pre something [TS]

  happening scene and so in Star Wars [TS]

  grove won its it's the opening scene [TS]

  about the Empire's coming to find their [TS]

  scientists who is hiding out in Iceland [TS]

  being a farmer which i think is a [TS]

  terrible place to be a farmer [TS]

  there's like this little contain story [TS]

  and like that's good like that's fine [TS]

  that feels like this is the start of the [TS]

  movie but immediately after that and I [TS]

  was just curious like I was making out a [TS]

  little time running because I just [TS]

  wanted to see like how did my initial [TS]

  impressions matchup with the reality of [TS]

  what the what the movie is and it's like [TS]

  okay the first eight minutes are great i [TS]

  think it's like this is a nice opening [TS]

  for Star Wars movie it's it's clear [TS]

  what's happening [TS]

  the Empire is coming to take a guy who [TS]

  doesn't want to go to build a weapon got [TS]

  it right we're all were all fine we're [TS]

  all on board and then I timed it in the [TS]

  next five minutes we go to five [TS]

  different planets and are introduced to [TS]

  something like eight characters [TS]

  and and that to me was watching the [TS]

  movie for the first time I felt like oh [TS]

  no we're in a little bit of trouble here [TS]

  like I'm we're at the third planet that [TS]

  has a little overlay on the bottom of [TS]

  what the name of the place is and what [TS]

  it is and it's like I'm following you [TS]

  movie but i'm having a hard time [TS]

  focusing on what is the thing that I'm [TS]

  supposed to care about like like this is [TS]

  the thing that i find fascinating about [TS]

  movies why in some movies do they [TS]

  emotionally grab you and why do some [TS]

  other movies just completely failed to [TS]

  grab you and I I i think that in this [TS]

  movie the reason it fails to grab me is [TS]

  there's just there's just too much going [TS]

  on right at the start and it's it's hard [TS]

  to know where to focus your mind on what [TS]

  part of the story writer who matters era [TS]

  well I kind of feel like I know where [TS]

  you stand should we go through the film [TS]

  a bit and find out why this is the case [TS]

  let's go through the film ho ho Merry [TS]

  Christmas [TS]

  hello Internet listeners and patrons [TS]

  this Star Wars Christmas episode is [TS]

  brought to you solely and exclusively by [TS]

  our wonderful supporters over at patreon [TS]

  we really appreciate you guys and hope [TS]

  that you enjoy this discussion of Star [TS]

  Wars road one if you'd like to support [TS]

  the show you two can go to [TS]

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  hello Internet thank you to our patrons [TS]

  thank you to our listeners and a merry [TS]

  Christmas to you all [TS]

  now when i was walking to the cinema [TS]

  isn't it kind of crept up on me having [TS]

  to say this film so I didn't have time [TS]

  to know how I felt about it but when i [TS]

  was walking down the hill to my little [TS]

  local cinema I suddenly got a little [TS]

  excited moment when I thought I can't [TS]

  wait for that moment when I'm going to [TS]

  be sitting in the cinema and the fanfare [TS]

  is going to happen again and like i'm [TS]

  going to have that feeling right and [TS]

  then it but he didn't happen [TS]

  they don't do it don't do it in these in [TS]

  between films that turns out we're not [TS]

  going to have the rousing star wars on [TS]

  the screen and the john williams music [TS]

  we still get a long time ago in a galaxy [TS]

  far far away but then it just kind of [TS]

  and then I was sweating over here comes [TS]

  here comes here comes not know i think [TS]

  in the long run that's probably a good [TS]

  decision [TS]

  yep i think that for the alternate [TS]

  movies they don't want to get tied down [TS]

  into having to do that exact same [TS]

  fanfare every time [TS]

  yeah because that there is there is much [TS]

  we might discuss later that i would hope [TS]

  they might do in the star wars universe [TS]

  and I think that fanfare might not be [TS]

  appropriate for absolutely everything [TS]

  but I i agree with you i found it really [TS]

  jarring and and suddenly it seemed like [TS]

  everything was wrong in my head with [TS]

  user with an opening thing I even [TS]

  looking at the font of the road one like [TS]

  I don't know everything is all wrong [TS]

  like this is I'm a braced for a thing [TS]

  and it's no good [TS]

  it's started by disappointing me I even [TS]

  here's my note written before the film [TS]

  started i'm excited about the fan filled [TS]

  with that feeling of excitement ever go [TS]

  away [TS]

  well I went away pretty quick because it [TS]

  didn't happen style or I was a pretty [TS]

  cool start like you said in little [TS]

  Icelandic a place [TS]

  no although I have to say even here [TS]

  there was one little note that struck me [TS]

  as a little bit wrong and confusing and [TS]

  there's a bunch of points in the movie [TS]

  that I think are like this where the [TS]

  stormtroopers come in right there [TS]

  they're looking for their scientists [TS]

  they're searching for his daughter and [TS]

  that they're searching around the house [TS]

  and one of the stormtroopers bends down [TS]

  and picks up a little storm trooper Dahl [TS]

  which is evidence of the fact that the [TS]

  girl was there and I remember thinking [TS]

  like why would a fugitive from running [TS]

  from the Empire give his daughter a [TS]

  storm trooper Dahl to play with it was a [TS]

  little thing that set off like a flag in [TS]

  my mind like if this is this is going to [TS]

  come back up later or is this just a [TS]

  weird i don't know if i want to call it [TS]

  a mistake but it's just a strange thing [TS]

  it you know it's like I cannot imagine [TS]

  someone who has been like persecuted by [TS]

  a government giving their child a toy to [TS]

  play with that represents that [TS]

  government like that's that seems like a [TS]

  really weird really weird note to land [TS]

  on it was strange [TS]

  it was strange whether or not that's the [TS]

  star wars universe equivalent of toy [TS]

  soldiers and stuff i don't know but it [TS]

  was [TS]

  suny by the felt like something was [TS]

  gonna come over or felt like like the [TS]

  worst toy placement in the history of [TS]

  thai place isn't it great [TS]

  also in that early saying they had the [TS]

  blue milk obviously was will appeared [TS]

  and like I had a little smile to myself [TS]

  and thought I'm not gonna mind a little [TS]

  bit of fanservice that's okay [TS]

  little did I know how much more [TS]

  fanservice was about to be shoved down [TS]

  my throat in the next half an hour to an [TS]

  hour yet to the point where I was [TS]

  gagging on it [TS]

  yeah please no more blue milk and sake [TS]

  yes I i agree and end it also when we [TS]

  were watching it's like I recognize you [TS]

  blue milk but I'm concerned how central [TS]

  you were in the shot [TS]

  yeah right like it's not like oh there [TS]

  was blue milk on the counter in the [TS]

  background there was blue milk literally [TS]

  obstructing the actress makes shopping [TS]

  what she was doing for a second [TS]

  like do you see the blue milk there is [TS]

  blue milk in front of her we want to [TS]

  make sure that you don't miss it [TS]

  yeah and and yes i agree as well like [TS]

  it's a it's an indication of what is [TS]

  going to come and we can discuss the [TS]

  fanservice but that is an ad one minute [TS]

  and 37 seconds into the film so it [TS]

  begins with the blue milk [TS]

  yeah they're so we had a we had a [TS]

  starting sequence and and then we had [TS]

  the different the different music for [TS]

  the title mhm so it sounded almost like [TS]

  it sounded like they couldn't get the [TS]

  rights to the style of music so they had [TS]

  some amateur write something that sounds [TS]

  star wars ii mhm and but it it jarred [TS]

  like it charge of me it was like I know [TS]

  they I know they're trying to give these [TS]

  things their own distinctive brand and [TS]

  say this is different from the who you [TS]

  know the classic important trilogies but [TS]

  it was it was almost overbearing and [TS]

  it's different guess who [TS]

  which was a little bit of a worry but [TS]

  anyway we cracked on and so the film [TS]

  began landing and the next thing I wrote [TS]

  something you've already touched on i [TS]

  wrote gosh there are a lot of different [TS]

  places here and the text on the screen [TS]

  identifying the places you know the [TS]

  little text that came up and gave us the [TS]

  name of the planet and even explain what [TS]

  the planet was who was something I had [TS]

  very mixed feelings about why mixed [TS]

  feelings [TS]

  my initial feeling is this is wrong [TS]

  this is not what happens in a Star Wars [TS]

  movie and it's funny I think I've got [TS]

  I've got a bit of a double standard here [TS]

  and I'm aware of it because i'm quite [TS]

  happy to have captions when people are [TS]

  speaking alien languages and I'm also [TS]

  quite happy to have the role start the [TS]

  crawl at the start of a star wars film [TS]

  but those two things feel like I don't [TS]

  know they feel like a special exception [TS]

  but one of the things i like about the [TS]

  Styles universities it's like it's not [TS]

  there's no english language other than [TS]

  the fact everyone speaking English right [TS]

  there's no english language in texts [TS]

  mmm and-and-and this felt like it was [TS]

  breaking the rules of Star Wars by using [TS]

  English and I was still a caption on the [TS]

  screen it wasn't like a big street sign [TS]

  that said welcome to hearth but it still [TS]

  felt slightly like it was breaking the [TS]

  rules but I have mixed feelings about it [TS]

  because I also thought it did serve a [TS]

  purpose and one of the real criticisms [TS]

  of the force awakens for me as well but [TS]

  sometimes I didn't know where I was and [TS]

  what was going on and why this place was [TS]

  important and the text did take away [TS]

  that problem straightaway [TS]

  I straightaway you the context ok this [TS]

  is you know this is an imperial planet [TS]

  this is a this is what's going on here [TS]

  this is why they're here so like it did [TS]

  serve a purpose and it saved them a lot [TS]

  of potentially clumsy exposition who but [TS]

  it kind of felt like cheating and it [TS]

  kind of felt like this isn't what you do [TS]

  in the Style Wars film [TS]

  overall I don't know up when I came out [TS]

  of the film i thought it was wrong and I [TS]

  shouldn't have done that I've mellowed a [TS]

  bit now and I'm on the fence about [TS]

  whether it was a good or a bad thing [TS]

  whoo-hoo ya see that text struck me as [TS]

  immediately wrong for the same for the [TS]

  same reason [TS]

  mmm i thought like this is this feels so [TS]

  unstar Wars to me it it feels really out [TS]

  of place and it's interesting i couldn't [TS]

  have ended down the same way you do you [TS]

  just about the lack of the English [TS]

  language and in the films and maybe [TS]

  that's why it feels like it's a bit off [TS]

  somehow but I don't like it because i [TS]

  think almost always when this happens [TS]

  it's a it's a weakness of the writing of [TS]

  the movie and if they give you have to [TS]

  lean on the on-screen here's where we [TS]

  are here is what this thing is I feel [TS]

  like almost always there's a better [TS]

  way to do that yeah it mean it means [TS]

  like your locations aren't distinct [TS]

  enough or your character motivations [TS]

  aren't clear enough and i think this [TS]

  movie is a perfect example of that [TS]

  can we go to five different planets in [TS]

  five minutes with a whole bunch of [TS]

  characters you couldn't think they have [TS]

  to show you on the screen here is the [TS]

  name of a place and here's here's what [TS]

  it is ok next here's another place we're [TS]

  going to go and here's what it is ok [TS]

  next and I I just think it's like yes [TS]

  you have to do that because you're [TS]

  introducing so much but maybe you don't [TS]

  have to like maybe if you write this in [TS]

  a better way we don't have to visit all [TS]

  of the places in the universe right at [TS]

  the start [TS]

  yeah I don't know if it feels like one [TS]

  of those movies where it where they're [TS]

  like it's a political thriller right [TS]

  then and the show you like a skyline [TS]

  shot of Moscow hour and it says like [TS]

  Moscow on the bottom ya know you're [TS]

  almost waiting for like a little sound [TS]

  effect that they always use when the [TS]

  letters rollout yeah it just felt really [TS]

  it just felt really wrong [TS]

  I didn't like it and i think [TS]

  particularly in this movie it's like it [TS]

  was there was so much of it that because [TS]

  that is what this entire movie is like a [TS]

  million pieces [TS]

  eighty percent of which they could [TS]

  probably do without but for some reason [TS]

  they're going to include absolutely all [TS]

  of them but if they didn't use it [TS]

  without changing the script already know [TS]

  doing major surgery on the actual story [TS]

  I think we'd be complaining even more [TS]

  about how confused we were about what [TS]

  the hell was going on where everything [TS]

  was so if they were going to stick with [TS]

  their script then I think the text was a [TS]

  nun for unfortunately the correct [TS]

  decision i completely agree right if if [TS]

  I was like the visual effects editor on [TS]

  here and they just hand me the movie [TS]

  it's like I am putting words on these [TS]

  screens like we have to do this because [TS]

  otherwise it is way worse otherwise it's [TS]

  more confusing but I feel like those [TS]

  words are a symptom of a more [TS]

  fundamental problem that that's that's [TS]

  what they're showing you there [TS]

  yeah of course let's not forget Star [TS]

  Wars movies I famous perfect using a [TS]

  huge lot load of texts at the start to [TS]

  save himself a whole lot of storytelling [TS]

  before we get too carried away about the [TS]

  old Star Wars films about how clever [TS]

  they were by not using text based in [TS]

  favor of the book before the film [TS]

  started to bring you up to speed [TS]

  yes I let it that is the case but I also [TS]

  feel [TS]

  like I think with almost all of the [TS]

  original three movies you can blow past [TS]

  that script and it doesn't really matter [TS]

  tree like the first Star Wars like blah [TS]

  blah blah some words words words like I [TS]

  don't have any idea what the crawl say [TS]

  yeah but who cares because we open with [TS]

  a big mean-looking ship chasing a small [TS]

  ship and a guy in a black evil-looking [TS]

  suit hunting down a princess like got it [TS]

  right like I understand what's going on [TS]

  and doesn't matter what those words said [TS]

  yeah so what have you got next I've got [TS]

  lots of little bitty things here I don't [TS]

  want to get too busy but we don't want [TS]

  to get too busy and have to go through [TS]

  all of all of the plot points yeah [TS]

  butBut I think again like the reason why [TS]

  i want to lay out my my initial thoughts [TS]

  of this is I as I feel like in the first [TS]

  20 minutes of the film you just have all [TS]

  of these problems resurfacing in in [TS]

  various ways and upset so after our [TS]

  opening scene we met we now have a scene [TS]

  with the main character guy who were [TS]

  going to be following most of the time [TS]

  talking to a rando who's about to die in [TS]

  this one little like interaction between [TS]

  the two of them right there talking [TS]

  about Jenna they're talking about Kyber [TS]

  crystals they're talking about looking [TS]

  for Saul right they mentioned somebody [TS]

  else's name which I couldn't even write [TS]

  down fast enough in the theater when I [TS]

  was waiting for the scene to make a note [TS]

  of it to talk about like Ursula or like [TS]

  some other person and there's one more [TS]

  thing and it's like okay there's two [TS]

  characters we don't know you dropped [TS]

  five totally new names [TS]

  yeah in in this little minute [TS]

  interaction between the two of them and [TS]

  it's again it's like I can follow this [TS]

  but it's too much and and I don't know [TS]

  what to pay attention to and then one of [TS]

  these two characters dies immediately [TS]

  and and our main our main guy kind of [TS]

  runs off and then boom next scene right [TS]

  we're on to the next place while you [TS]

  brush past something that is quite [TS]

  significant in the film from a because [TS]

  this main character is this i think this [TS]

  is and/or is that the car had everyone's [TS]

  names kind of lost me I think he's cold [TS]

  hand or that the main guy the main that [TS]

  this is actually though I think it quite [TS]

  vital point which is my wife and I after [TS]

  we were discussing the movies seeing it [TS]

  last night we were both aware i can to [TS]

  be with my wife like the movie a lot [TS]

  more than I [TS]

  did but neither of us could remember a [TS]

  single characters name [TS]

  yeah it's true that we didn't already [TS]

  know from somewhere else and so we kept [TS]

  having these conversations about like oh [TS]

  the guy which guide the ninja guy [TS]

  no not the ninja guy the friend of the [TS]

  ninja guy owe him the muscle right it's [TS]

  like it's just amazing to see and I [TS]

  think it's a side effect again like i [TS]

  have watched a movie for two hours in [TS]

  between two people we can't pull a [TS]

  single name out of our memory i think [TS]

  that's again an indication of what's [TS]

  going on with this main guy and or who [TS]

  becomes like a main in here the film you [TS]

  talk about him in this other guy having [TS]

  a chat and then everything kicks off but [TS]

  significantly he shoots the other guy if [TS]

  you remember like they're about to get [TS]

  caught by the stormtroopers and this guy [TS]

  is going to be baggage because he's [TS]

  injured and can't run away and and/or [TS]

  realizes realizes this situation so he [TS]

  just puts a gun to his back basically [TS]

  and shoots him he kills him there on the [TS]

  spot and I think we're supposed to be [TS]

  shocked by this and realize that he's [TS]

  this ruthless killer that would do [TS]

  anything and then he has this redemption [TS]

  story through the film and becomes the [TS]

  guy we like me but I never forgave him [TS]

  for that like like even though he [TS]

  becomes a good guy and says I've done [TS]

  some bad stuff in my time but now I but [TS]

  now I'm you know now I'm a good guy [TS]

  I I never forgot that he shot that [TS]

  behind the back and what he did to him [TS]

  and even even later on when he like you [TS]

  know does a few nice things and realizes [TS]

  the error of his ways it never left my [TS]

  head that he'd done that mean i think [TS]

  maybe they should do should have been [TS]

  quite so bad because you know it's not [TS]

  like i was shocked or you know I'm boom [TS]

  I'm like a sensitive person who like [TS]

  comes courtesy feeling yeah clutching [TS]

  your pearls that there is death on [TS]

  screen but it made me it made me [TS]

  incapable of ever sympathizing with him [TS]

  after seeing him do that the start to [TS]

  someone shoot someone in the back like [TS]

  that and kind of for some reason I was [TS]

  not a big deal is coming out like it's a [TS]

  big deal to me it wasn't but it was [TS]

  significant to me and like his [TS]

  Redemption he was never redeemed for me [TS]

  enough [TS]

  hmm i can totally agree with this and [TS]

  and the thing is I I don't necessarily [TS]

  think that little scene is a big deal [TS]

  and then also the movie blows past it so [TS]

  fast i think it's it's easy to miss [TS]

  because the first time i watched it was [TS]

  unclear to me how the shooting happened [TS]

  and then the second time it was more [TS]

  clear [TS]

  just like I just blinked at the wrong [TS]

  moment right any menu menu miss it just [TS]

  a little bit but i think it does matter [TS]

  because this is all rolled up into i [TS]

  think it's it's emblematic of another [TS]

  problem with the film which i think the [TS]

  movie is doing on purpose but they just [TS]

  do poorly which is I file under the [TS]

  category the rebels are dicks right [TS]

  there's like there's like a bunch of [TS]

  stuff where the rebels are being kind of [TS]

  dicks or things that just don't really [TS]

  work and that I think make the rebels [TS]

  unsympathetic in a whole bunch of ways [TS]

  that causes structural problems with the [TS]

  film and that that little that shooting [TS]

  in the beginning I think would be fine [TS]

  on its own but it's it's connected to a [TS]

  bunch of other stuff that then just [TS]

  doesn't work for me later in the movie [TS]

  this whole part of the film set on Jetta [TS]

  or the town the city of Jeddah might [TS]

  have to say was one of the week of parts [TS]

  of the film for me it felt terribly [TS]

  unnecessary actually other than that [TS]

  help to scoop up some of the characters [TS]

  who were going to follow us for the rest [TS]

  of the film like ninja guy and muscle [TS]

  guy and stuff but the whole thing with [TS]

  forest whitaker's character who sort of [TS]

  that the head of the rebels seem very [TS]

  unnecessary to the film it added nothing [TS]

  it seems like an unnecessary character [TS]

  and unnecessary diversion but also this [TS]

  whole part of the film is the part where [TS]

  the fanservice felt made on too thick [TS]

  and I almost felt like I was being [TS]

  patronized a bit like when the when the [TS]

  bad guys from the mosque ii campaign and [TS]

  make a sudden cameo oh my god like that [TS]

  was really that was unnecessary [TS]

  yeah that was that was so terrible and I [TS]

  hate this kind of stuff because it's [TS]

  like it makes the universe feels small [TS]

  yes the universe universe feels so small [TS]

  and so tiny and it also it's strange [TS]

  could credulity that she's going to bump [TS]

  into the two guys who show up in in a [TS]

  new hope [TS]

  but also because of the way the movie [TS]

  carries on it means not only did she [TS]

  bumped into these guys on this planet [TS]

  but they they also left the planet very [TS]

  shortly like within 30 minutes right [TS]

  they get out of there just entire and [TS]

  where did they go within the span of a [TS]

  couple of days is they go to some [TS]

  backwater planet where Lucas it's like [TS]

  it's too much right the time frame is [TS]

  just too much it's ridiculous that she [TS]

  bumps into these guys there it's it's [TS]

  pointless pointless fanservice yeah and [TS]

  that how that house saying with the [TS]

  bustling crowds and that they cram too [TS]

  much of that in and I was thinking come [TS]

  on guys la is ok i'm on board I [TS]

  understand star wars and and the other [TS]

  little by little things nice but you [TS]

  don't need to go that hard [TS]

  mm which is funny because the fan [TS]

  service that comes later the biggest fan [TS]

  service [TS]

  mm that's works because that's what this [TS]

  was about [TS]

  so some of the huge stuff I loved and I [TS]

  felt really excited about some of the [TS]

  links to New Hope felt wonderful and and [TS]

  really good i was really pleased towards [TS]

  the end of the film there's some great [TS]

  stuff but this early stuff they they [TS]

  went to her they went too hard too early [TS]

  you know that they make it they had [TS]

  their fanservice coming they didn't need [TS]

  to go this hard this early mhm they [TS]

  could have shown more restraint [TS]

  yeah the this so this whole sequence [TS]

  where they're on this this desert planet [TS]

  jetta or whatever that this is one of [TS]

  these things i wanted to see again like [TS]

  how was my memory of it versus the [TS]

  actual thing I felt so strongly that [TS]

  this this whole sequence was unnecessary [TS]

  and it seemed just like it like a [TS]

  pointless diversion that we're going to [TS]

  go to this planet to find a guy who's [TS]

  going to help us find the guy that we're [TS]

  actually looking for ya and I was [TS]

  mentally thinking like you could [TS]

  probably cut that and just have the [TS]

  movie go on but what I didn't realize is [TS]

  that sequence is really long [TS]

  right like i was thinking this this is [TS]

  like 20 minutes but that whole sequence [TS]

  takes us to more than halfway through [TS]

  the movie right like it is it is so long [TS]

  that it it's not like when we discussed [TS]

  the force awakens and we both agree that [TS]

  the weakest part is when they leave the [TS]

  planets and their with han Solo and [TS]

  they're going to fight some giant roller [TS]

  ball squid monsters on the ship right [TS]

  it's like why is this happening and you [TS]

  can you can easily imagine a version of [TS]

  the force awakens where fan does a [TS]

  supercut and they were able to get ready [TS]

  most of that and then you don't even [TS]

  notice in the movie I'm realizing if [TS]

  they cut out what i thought was a [TS]

  pointless diversion you lose like 45 [TS]

  minutes of this movie where they're down [TS]

  there on on Jetta doing this thing that [TS]

  I think is totally pointless it's a huge [TS]

  sequence and it's also like it's so it's [TS]

  so convoluted because you blew past what [TS]

  to me is sets up like a fundamental [TS]

  problem in the whole movie which is [TS]

  before we even get down to jetta the the [TS]

  rebels are dicks thing is we we show the [TS]

  rebels capturing the main girl who's the [TS]

  Djinn I think your gentleman like even [TS]

  knows where the characters are [TS]

  pronouncing her name differently the [TS]

  rebels kidnap her from some sort of [TS]

  labor camp it's like it's like a rescue [TS]

  but it feels a lot like a kidnap because [TS]

  the rebels are then taking her back to [TS]

  the rebel base and forcing her to do [TS]

  with thing that she doesn't want to [TS]

  write they just straight-up saying like [TS]

  I will hand you back to the Empire [TS]

  unless you unless you do what we want [TS]

  it's like okay you don't seem like great [TS]

  people right now you know she's she's [TS]

  just passed from one prison to [TS]

  essentially another prison [TS]

  yeah and and like okay the great rebels [TS]

  you like I would like you a lot more if [TS]

  you have a sequence where you were [TS]

  rescuing her from a horrible situation [TS]

  and she wants to help you because of [TS]

  what you've done but it's very different [TS]

  if you're just straight up kidnapping [TS]

  her [TS]

  so here is the actual sequence because i [TS]

  had to write it down this is the plan as [TS]

  explained by the rebels they want to [TS]

  take her to jetta to find Saul Guerrera [TS]

  yeah as far as America yeah who has the [TS]

  pilot and the pilot will take them to [TS]

  her father and they're going to take her [TS]

  father to the Senate for testimony like [TS]

  you've got to be kidding me like we [TS]

  don't need it and and this is like [TS]

  everything in the movie is like this [TS]

  like guys do a second pass on this [TS]

  script just have the daughter know where [TS]

  the father is right just have that you [TS]

  can just have her no and the rebels [TS]

  rescue her and she wants to help but we [TS]

  don't need this and it's like so many [TS]

  unnecessary characters but like okay [TS]

  we're not even trying to find a guy who [TS]

  knows where the guy we're looking for is [TS]

  we're trying to find a guy who has a guy [TS]

  who knows where the guy we're moving and [TS]

  on top of that I almost lost my god damn [TS]

  mind because when they get down to the [TS]

  planet they blow past it so quickly but [TS]

  but the food cassie is and/or he has a [TS]

  little line to her he's like oh he I [TS]

  know and he mentioned some other name [TS]

  like this bounty hunter dude who's [TS]

  working for salt Guerrera like oh I'm [TS]

  going to find this person who's going to [TS]

  bring us to Saul Guerrero who has the [TS]

  pilot right I can't [TS]

  why like why do you need all of these [TS]

  steps it's just it's like I can follow [TS]

  it it's just it's just a straight line [TS]

  but it's it's crazy making that you need [TS]

  all of these steps toys gray toys you [TS]

  need more styles figures I i guess but [TS]

  it's like you have this ridiculous [TS]

  convoluted path for a sequence of which [TS]

  the entirety of it as unnecessary and [TS]

  complex and is it just like I was so [TS]

  uninvolved for the this first hour of [TS]

  the movie I'm like yeah I don't care [TS]

  about any of these people [TS]

  this is like Saul Guerrero like in my [TS]

  mind his is the only character i can [TS]

  vaguely remember because my brain kept [TS]

  changing his name to like Che Guevara [TS]

  every time people were saying and I'm [TS]

  like okay we're looking for a che [TS]

  guevara and it's like okay there's this [TS]

  dude is he crazy like he's a terrorist [TS]

  so should I care about him but he raised [TS]

  our main character but now he seems like [TS]

  he's also he's also a monster [TS]

  she's being forced into this by rebels [TS]

  who are being dicks who by the way are [TS]

  just going to assassinate her father [TS]

  anyway likes what she doesn't even know [TS]

  so it's like there's just nobody to root [TS]

  for there's this really convoluted thing [TS]

  and this is this to me is like the heart [TS]

  of it right here is like complicated [TS]

  mess you could just sweep away and [TS]

  replace with a simpler better movie whoa [TS]

  also just one more thing can make the [TS]

  rebels even less likable if that was [TS]

  possible is they also make them really [TS]

  like bureaucratic and I have lots of [TS]

  meetings and they can never agree on [TS]

  anything and they sit around and [TS]

  committees all the time it's like the [TS]

  one thing you like about the rebels is [TS]

  there like a starfish let's just get the [TS]

  guns out and blow that they have [TS]

  right but now that now they're like [TS]

  their own little mini-set having [TS]

  meetings and disagreements and like cut [TS]

  their crippled by inactivity it's like [TS]

  out like this is the reason rebels form [TS]

  is to get away from the bureaucracy [TS]

  right but like offers starting with the [TS]

  bureaucracy [TS]

  ok what's with all the politics to did [TS]

  George like a snake back into the [TS]

  writing room for that part yeah it was [TS]

  the hat i totally agree that there's [TS]

  things that they're like oh we can't get [TS]

  everybody to agree like you're the [TS]

  rebels like it should be clear that the [TS]

  app the other problem was all this was [TS]

  swirling around our main character gin [TS]

  and we should talk about her at some [TS]

  point because she was completely I [TS]

  didn't like I was not very engaged with [TS]

  her at all like I didn't know I never [TS]

  really i never really sort of like tor [TS]

  understood her story or her [TS]

  transformation didn't do much for me [TS]

  either and she was kind of I mean a lot [TS]

  of our read a lot of people saying you [TS]

  know she carried the film apparently and [TS]

  she was good not you know she's a good [TS]

  actress she did a good job but the [TS]

  character wasn't very well developed and [TS]

  from the start i didn't really feel much [TS]

  for and then when she changed i didn't [TS]

  feel much and so all of this stuff's all [TS]

  of these weird people who are unlockable [TS]

  for various reasons swirling around Gen [TS]

  and Gen I didn't really care about [TS]

  I didn't find an unlikable like some [TS]

  other characters but she was just a bit [TS]

  she was just there as well really how [TS]

  long for the ride [TS]

  yeah i totally agree that this movie she [TS]

  has to be really likable you have to be [TS]

  rooting for her [TS]

  yeah right and i found myself at one [TS]

  point like it that there were three [TS]

  little moments in the movie where I kind [TS]

  of had to laugh but it's but at some [TS]

  point of the movie when I was just [TS]

  mildly distracted and watching it and [TS]

  wants to have will start to like giggle [TS]

  because I kept having this thought of [TS]

  like well she was in prison like maybe I [TS]

  want to hear the Empire story about why [TS]

  these girls in prison because we've just [TS]

  made it really clear that she's been [TS]

  working with his terrorist organization [TS]

  that even the rebels don't like so like [TS]

  maybe she's done some really terrible [TS]

  stuff you know and it's like when you [TS]

  find your mind wandering like I want to [TS]

  know what the Empire thinks about this [TS]

  girl maybe they have a point it's like I [TS]

  think you have not achieved what you [TS]

  want movie which is that I should really [TS]

  be rooting for this girl [TS]

  supposed to wondering like there might [TS]

  be more to her story then we're hearing [TS]

  here yeah well let's let's let's let's [TS]

  let's go back to the transcript for [TS]

  those trials like I want to find out [TS]

  what was going on [TS]

  whereas in that force awakens Daisy [TS]

  Ridley character the lead there [TS]

  yeah like you're just completely [TS]

  enchanted by and like you are you coming [TS]

  out of that film feeling good about her [TS]

  like she's just you just go so I was [TS]

  just so taken with her her character and [TS]

  her story and this one like you know at [TS]

  the end she's on the beach then I'm [TS]

  thinking well yeah exactly thanks thanks [TS]

  for helping out with the plans and but [TS]

  you were a fantastic tool thank you very [TS]

  much [TS]

  moving right along yeah I i agree Daisy [TS]

  Ridley was obviously amazing in in force [TS]

  awakens this girl I have to say I think [TS]

  she was a good actress [TS]

  yeah definitely definitely better than [TS]

  some of the other people i'm going to [TS]

  complain about later [TS]

  yeah but the character itself as written [TS]

  I I felt just again uninvolved with like [TS]

  okay maybe you're a criminal and you're [TS]

  being blackmailed into doing a thing and [TS]

  I don't really care about you like the [TS]

  end two more things on the desert planet [TS]

  and the town of jetta one is we saw much [TS]

  more agile stormtroopers in some of [TS]

  those fights anes and I quite liked it i [TS]

  quite like saying stormtroopers being a [TS]

  little bit more capable steel cannon [TS]

  fodder yeah but they seem to have like [TS]

  special ops stormtroopers ya like like [TS]

  the guys in black was like oh no now [TS]

  we're trying to be serious [TS]

  yeah so so I that was about that but one [TS]

  thing I do not approve of me is seeing a [TS]

  Star Destroyer down at Planet level who [TS]

  that's that seems wrong to me and also [TS]

  it seems like it should be like not [TS]

  technically feasible like they should be [TS]

  built in space and one of the joys of [TS]

  seeing the crash star destroyer in the [TS]

  force awakens on the planet [TS]

  it creates that feeling that the worst [TS]

  possible thing that could happen to a [TS]

  star destroyers of falls down onto a [TS]

  planet because let you know that that's [TS]

  where they crash and die and it just [TS]

  seems it seems wrong to me and it feel [TS]

  it felt like it demeans the awesomeness [TS]

  of stardestroyers to see them down at [TS]

  Planet level that makes them seem a [TS]

  little bit more jokey and also makes [TS]

  them seem less awesome that they can [TS]

  just come down and do that so I didn't [TS]

  like that I didn't like it it's an [TS]

  excellent point it didn't it didn't [TS]

  cross my mind until [TS]

  they were there are many things in the [TS]

  movie we're feeling like there's [TS]

  something wrong with this and I can't [TS]

  quite figure out what and the Star [TS]

  Destroyer when it was just hovering over [TS]

  the city and I thought it just didn't [TS]

  cross my mind is like okay it's fine but [TS]

  the shot where they show it flying away [TS]

  both times i kept thinking like [TS]

  something's wrong about this and I don't [TS]

  know what it is and and I i agree with [TS]

  you like you're right that it feels like [TS]

  the Star Destroyers should be in real [TS]

  trouble if they're ever in the [TS]

  atmosphere [TS]

  yeah and and this this strikes the wrong [TS]

  note by having it so close to the pair's [TS]

  planet's surface knowing that Star [TS]

  Destroyers can come down to a planet is [TS]

  like when you realize that r2 d2 can fly [TS]

  right yeah it's like no no I don't want [TS]

  that to be possible [TS]

  yeah and it's like there are many [TS]

  situations in the other movies where [TS]

  this would be quite useful to do right [TS]

  like it so much I was the flight with [TS]

  the entire I think I'd be having more [TS]

  star destroyers and ground level I think [TS]

  this would solve a lot of problems yes [TS]

  send them had a heart instead of those [TS]

  slow walkers dropping them a hundred [TS]

  miles away from the base and having them [TS]

  slowly trudged to the bites [TS]

  yeah like we just landed Star Destroyer [TS]

  we don't we don't even have to fight [TS]

  just literally landed on the ground and [TS]

  crush the big three they mean they must [TS]

  have one to spare right just knock it [TS]

  out of the sky a saying that happens [TS]

  around this time up in space somewhere [TS]

  is when we first say Grand Moff Tarkin [TS]

  for the first time that first scene [TS]

  where you see him with you know looking [TS]

  like peter cushing the actor who played [TS]

  him in the original film my goodness [TS]

  that was breathtaking how much you look [TS]

  like him and they knew it too when they [TS]

  made it because they some account of [TS]

  what they did but they either did [TS]

  something with the sound of the camera [TS]

  work when we first see his face [TS]

  I was like I almost gasped was so Bo [TS]

  done see now I thought it was google [TS]

  'ish I i have to say when when I heard [TS]

  Grand Moff Tarkin voice I like wow they [TS]

  have nailed the voice of this person [TS]

  yeah right but when they do the reveal [TS]

  it looks it just all i kept thinking of [TS]

  is this is the best video game animation [TS]

  i have ever seen [TS]

  all I'm gonna say is like I could not [TS]

  accept the reality of him in every scene [TS]

  now again like this is an interesting [TS]

  thing because I didn't know he was going [TS]

  to be in the movie and [TS]

  I mean the key to me he obviously looks [TS]

  like just a cgi face right over over the [TS]

  actual actor and it's like they did a [TS]

  really good job with that like I'm not [TS]

  going to deny it's an incredible job but [TS]

  i think they didn't do as good of a job [TS]

  as the movie feels like it is the movie [TS]

  acts like this is totally seamless and [TS]

  no one will ever notice and I felt like [TS]

  man if you're going to do this like you [TS]

  have a great render but but don't have [TS]

  like a full front up shot of him it was [TS]

  just it to me it was really unconvincing [TS]

  and I hated every scene with him maybe I [TS]

  need to say again because I thought that [TS]

  one works so well that I almost thought [TS]

  they did they find someone that just [TS]

  looks like that like a kind of fun and I [TS]

  maybe I wasn't paying enough attention [TS]

  but for male form a gram of talk and [TS]

  work obviously me princess leiden will [TS]

  come to that later but yeah but the but [TS]

  the talk of one did work for me and I [TS]

  was like I thought that was really good [TS]

  anyway yeah but i think this this is [TS]

  just a question of light of how [TS]

  sensitive you are to the stuff and i [TS]

  feel like because I've seen a lot of [TS]

  video games things like he just he just [TS]

  kept reading to me as a videogame render [TS]

  character i just want to say with with [TS]

  target though this this is again you [TS]

  talk about like the the star wars fan [TS]

  service and and talking to me is a good [TS]

  example along with Darth Vader who will [TS]

  get to later of your putting all of this [TS]

  stuff in this movie because we know it [TS]

  from the other Star Wars movies but I [TS]

  just kept feeling like do we have to [TS]

  have targeting here like his is his [TS]

  character in this movie [TS]

  absolutely necessary and and i don't i [TS]

  don't think so [TS]

  like I think you could again do a [TS]

  version of this movie where you have the [TS]

  kind of sniveling power climbing [TS]

  subordinate under Tarkin be the entire [TS]

  roll like I don't think you need the [TS]

  conflict between these two guys [TS]

  I don't think he needs to be there [TS]

  except that it feels like they really [TS]

  want to keep tying this movie to the [TS]

  other movies and so that's why targets [TS]

  here right that's why not like mothers [TS]

  here like that's why a whole bunch of [TS]

  other people are here and I'd and I just [TS]

  kept feeling like they're unnecessary [TS]

  write these people don't need to be here [TS]

  I didn't feel that way about talk and I [TS]

  thought I thought for the rogue one to [TS]

  work it did have to have several [TS]

  connections with new hope like I had to [TS]

  have there had to be a few threads and [TS]

  cables connecting otherwise it would [TS]

  feel like it was just stuck in there [TS]

  like filler between a couple of bricks [TS]

  and not really seamless and I thought [TS]

  having a few different threads worked [TS]

  and I thought he liked the rivalry [TS]

  between him and then Mendelssohn's [TS]

  character wasn't particularly necessary [TS]

  or interesting you but having him there [TS]

  was good because because also made it [TS]

  all so suddenly made his death in New [TS]

  Hope same more significant because when [TS]

  you think about a new hope especially if [TS]

  you're a kid watching he's just a bit of [TS]

  a boring out man and like when he when [TS]

  he dies on the Death Star it's not like [TS]

  it's not like Darth Vader dying is that [TS]

  it's like it's just some old bureaucrat [TS]

  dying but now when you see what he's [TS]

  done before and his association with the [TS]

  deathstone all that but it doesn't view [TS]

  that with a bit more meaning and in a [TS]

  way that worked for me [TS]

  my likes I like seeing him in this film [TS]

  and maybe when i watch again the face [TS]

  will embarrass me a bit but kind of that [TS]

  kind of work for me and I liked it I [TS]

  liked it I liked having him in the film [TS]

  mmm hehe i thought he belonged in the [TS]

  film i thought a film about the birth of [TS]

  the Death Star and the undoing of the [TS]

  death star would have felt wrong without [TS]

  the guy we all know was like the boss of [TS]

  the death star so I'm quite happy was in [TS]

  the film ya again I'd I just think if [TS]

  you're going to have him in there it's [TS]

  the cgi didn't work well enough for me [TS]

  for him to be a major character [TS]

  yeah and I just I just kept feeling like [TS]

  it was ghoulish every time he was on [TS]

  screen and not in a good way [TS]

  one other saying that I thought was very [TS]

  that I like just because I like the look [TS]

  of a was lit the Death Star taking out [TS]

  gender & eclipsing the Sun as [TS]

  same time yeah that was good that was [TS]

  good ok i was showing off but it was [TS]

  thought that was just a lot of just a [TS]

  pretty piece of special-effects I [TS]

  thought that was a really nice little [TS]

  sequence yeah happy i will definitely go [TS]

  along with that I'll go along with that [TS]

  cool alright anymore jetta stuff or [TS]

  should we should we find our way off of [TS]

  general somehow we can get our way off [TS]

  of jetta but i just think it is it gets [TS]

  sometimes i get so many furious notes [TS]

  and Jenna it's just it's just it's [TS]

  because i kept being I kept being amazed [TS]

  at how long the sequence was like that i [TS]

  thought was cuttable and it's like [TS]

  there's so much stuff in here but again [TS]

  another thing that I felt is emblematic [TS]

  of the movie is that they have their [TS]

  this like this very brief scene with his [TS]

  mind slug right that che guevara is [TS]

  using on the pilot to find out what the [TS]

  truth is [TS]

  yeah and it's like okay we've introduced [TS]

  this mind slug and it's to interrogate [TS]

  the pilot the pilot that Saul Guerrero [TS]

  doesn't trust for no apparent reason [TS]

  other than he's crazy and and it's like [TS]

  oh we're going to use this mind slug but [TS]

  it just you might lose your mind [TS]

  afterward and it's like oh it doesn't [TS]

  make him lose his mind he's like a [TS]

  little sleepy for an hour and we just go [TS]

  right on and he's like a totally normal [TS]

  guy for the rest of the movie and that's [TS]

  another thing that feels like why is [TS]

  this here that this scene you could [TS]

  literally cut and it would not affect [TS]

  anything that the mind slug thing never [TS]

  comes back up [TS]

  he's never actually lost his mind you [TS]

  don't do anything interesting with it [TS]

  like I kept thinking what i was [TS]

  expecting to happen is who maybe this [TS]

  pilot who has defected after this mind [TS]

  slug makes him lose his mind for gets [TS]

  that he's defected right in it and [TS]

  actually think that he's still part of [TS]

  the Empire and like has found himself in [TS]

  this crazy situation like that might be [TS]

  something interesting to do but nope [TS]

  it's like we've just introduced this [TS]

  mind slug and we're blowing right past [TS]

  it and it doesn't matter it doesn't [TS]

  affect the plot like we're just going to [TS]

  keep on going and there's just so many [TS]

  things like that it's like so much stuff [TS]

  it's not impossible in the mine slipcase [TS]

  there that something more did happen and [TS]

  got cut but they kind of films himself [TS]

  into a corner where they had to leave [TS]

  some of their instill that does [TS]

  occasionally happen in movies doesn't [TS]

  where they they take out a sequence [TS]

  but they're left with sort of baggage [TS]

  either side of a yeah I can't wriggle [TS]

  out of so i would i would love to know [TS]

  the behind-the-scenes thing but i have a [TS]

  feeling like the first cut of this movie [TS]

  was four hours long [TS]

  right like I know and I mean that quite [TS]

  literally and it's it's it's something [TS]

  that you actually like this you see in [TS]

  some of the behind-the-scenes stuff of [TS]

  the the first of the prequels where the [TS]

  the first cut was incredibly long and [TS]

  and they realize they had a hard time [TS]

  cutting it down to be movie like I just [TS]

  had the same kind of feeling with this [TS]

  like maybe there was a whole bunch of [TS]

  mind slug stuff and it's like I just [TS]

  just get rid of it like everything [TS]

  mostly because we have to we have to [TS]

  jettison so much stuff to get the sound [TS]

  to our running time like we filmed [TS]

  ourselves into a corner but so that mind [TS]

  slug is to me just another example of [TS]

  like thing brought up immediately [TS]

  dispatched with has absolutely no [TS]

  consequence but on Jenna we have we [TS]

  bring up with is then perhaps well by [TS]

  far and away my least favorite person in [TS]

  the whole film which is our blinds ninja [TS]

  dude yeah i love this character and this [TS]

  actor I could not believe how bad his [TS]

  line readings were like I could not [TS]

  believe how ridiculous his character was [TS]

  and it's like blind pointless ninja you [TS]

  don't need to be in this movie I cannot [TS]

  believe that you're here I cannot [TS]

  believe how you're delivering your lines [TS]

  you just you just awful I thought he was [TS]

  so bad so terrible [TS]

  hey smacks of probably being someone [TS]

  who's really famous in other markets and [TS]

  they and having him in the film was a [TS]

  really smart technical move from just [TS]

  finding out who he is [TS]

  yeah that might that might be now he's a [TS]

  Chinese actor martial artist film [TS]

  director producer of this was this was [TS]

  my guess was he has to be a real martial [TS]

  artist because his fighting scenes look [TS]

  like him [TS]

  I'm or haste or he's to help them break [TS]

  the chinese market [TS]

  yeah yeah that that's also a possibility [TS]

  but it i was paying attention during his [TS]

  stunt scenes like that really looks like [TS]

  it's you I think you're really doing [TS]

  this and this is why you're here [TS]

  yeah but-but-but I like a wrote on it [TS]

  but his like his introductory like when [TS]

  he walks across that the battlefield is [TS]

  like I am with the force and the force [TS]

  is with me and I fear nothing because [TS]

  the force wheels at times like that is [TS]

  the worst line delivery I've ever heard [TS]

  from anyone [TS]

  it's like awful and I thought there were [TS]

  a lot of really bad line deliveries in [TS]

  the force awakens it's like everything [TS]

  this guy said every time it's just I [TS]

  felt like he was sitting in [TS]

  lay a table reading for the movie it was [TS]

  just awful i can't believe you're [TS]

  keeping these line readings in and I [TS]

  think the whole purpose of his character [TS]

  was pointless [TS]

  it's like he does nothing that they [TS]

  couldn't just have K to the droid do [TS]

  instead he did bring the force into the [TS]

  film otherwise there would have been no [TS]

  force at all with that yeah he is [TS]

  obviously supposed to be like this sort [TS]

  of Jedi character but i also think it [TS]

  totally doesn't pay off and and it also [TS]

  like causes this conflict like I kept [TS]

  being aware of like okay so let me get [TS]

  this straight [TS]

  there's like a class of priests who are [TS]

  defending the the resources that are [TS]

  used to make lightsabers for the jedis [TS]

  this is happening like three days before [TS]

  a new hope [TS]

  where Harrison Ford is talking about how [TS]

  like I've never heard of the Jedi have [TS]

  travel home with the universe and [TS]

  there's no such thing like but there's a [TS]

  big industrial base here related to Jedi [TS]

  industries like it's I feel like you [TS]

  should have just gotten him out of there [TS]

  and also his connection to the force had [TS]

  no payoff in amazingly when they had a [TS]

  scene where they could have had a [TS]

  perfect for Spain off with him on the [TS]

  beach trying to pull a switch it's like [TS]

  hey maybe the guy who's really into the [TS]

  force could use the Force to pull that [TS]

  switch [TS]

  I know you don't even have this payoff [TS]

  scene i did that's how he walked two and [TS]

  didn't get shot by the lies about [TS]

  because the forsook saved him from all [TS]

  the lights above okay okay okay listen [TS]

  okay we're jumping way to the end of the [TS]

  movie right but it's like I understand [TS]

  so he walks across this battlefield and [TS]

  it goes all the forces with me and I one [TS]

  with the forest and you're supposed to [TS]

  think like oh no the lasers hit him [TS]

  it's like okay I understand that's what [TS]

  you're trying to do but you undercut [TS]

  that immediately when after he does that [TS]

  his w pointless friend then runs out [TS]

  after him and sits up with him in the [TS]

  middle of this field of fire and also [TS]

  doesn't get hit by anybody yeah but [TS]

  that's what had been blown closer to him [TS]

  by that point I know it's literally [TS]

  sitting up he is his his muscle friend [TS]

  is a literal sitting duck right in the [TS]

  middle of a field of fire and it's like [TS]

  it's our is so infuriating so [TS]

  infuriating not cry i'm not i'm not [TS]

  saying their plot house and things that [TS]

  are not believable [TS]

  I'm just saying there was a force payoff [TS]

  he does use the Force to to do something [TS]

  important I think it was totally [TS]

  undercut [TS]

  think it was totally undercut [TS]

  immediately yeah we've also got a movie [TS]

  like he's on he's only for slight he's [TS]

  not a projector I say yeah but he was [TS]

  just also cases like your character is [TS]

  unnecessary and it is doubly highlighted [TS]

  by me that you have like an unnecessary [TS]

  squared friend who's also following you [TS]

  around i was like what are you guys [TS]

  doing here what are you doing here for [TS]

  the love of God great i'm putting my [TS]

  foot down and taking us away from jetta [TS]

  because this was some this was supposed [TS]

  to be a short podcast and I cannot for [TS]

  the life haven't even talked about the [TS]

  terrorist scene right we haven't talked [TS]

  about it out and let's leave Jenna and [TS]

  we might come back to it later because [TS]

  what i really want to know is what you [TS]

  thought of Darth Vader's Mordor Batcave [TS]

  ben mendelsohn though the white-robed [TS]

  daddy finds his way to Martha's bat cave [TS]

  on Mount Doom because he wants to whinge [TS]

  about his job promotion and stuff like [TS]

  that you know is so whiny [TS]

  but anyway what did you think of the [TS]

  fact that darth vader like lives there [TS]

  again from my viewer totally unnecessary [TS]

  scene [TS]

  oh yes it's like you want Darth Vader in [TS]

  this movie if if you if you have to have [TS]

  Darth Vader in the movie i can live with [TS]

  the final scene but but this seems [TS]

  totally pointless to me and it's okay so [TS]

  the guys coming to complain that old [TS]

  grandma target is taking credit for my [TS]

  death star right it's like okay and [TS]

  you're going to win to like Darth Vader [TS]

  about this like is this is the best plan [TS]

  of action right like Oh Darth Vader he's [TS]

  such a sympathetic shoulder to cry upon [TS]

  right now it's like I to Steve Jobs to [TS]

  complain that your chair squeaking at [TS]

  your desk Apple i'm really tired of [TS]

  working on this ipod right like well I'm [TS]

  really tired of having you work for me [TS]

  get out [TS]

  it's such a confused scene because it's [TS]

  also like Vader has summoned him is it [TS]

  the whole scene is confusing i think it [TS]

  just it totally doesn't work and i was [TS]

  so aware that's like okay well you're [TS]

  like here we go here's Darth Vader he's [TS]

  on screen and he just has no presence on [TS]

  screen at all [TS]

  he almost I want someone to make a gif [TS]

  of it when the blu-ray comes out but I [TS]

  was several where that he's almost doing [TS]

  like a little sassy walk when he comes [TS]

  out at first like he's swaying a lot [TS]

  yeah I you can see the lights on his [TS]

  chest like swaying back and forth it's [TS]

  like he's doing a little catwalk thing [TS]

  it's interesting it's very interesting [TS]

  that before I want to talk about his [TS]

  homies planet in a second but the fact [TS]

  you make that point is interesting [TS]

  because i have a really vivid memory [TS]

  when they rereleased the first three [TS]

  films you remember they sort of they [TS]

  kind of jazz them up and redux them and [TS]

  of course of course not even short was [TS]

  when they added all the crap effects [TS]

  maybe it was then know there was like a [TS]

  remastered version that came up before [TS]

  yeah those are and i remember a whole [TS]

  bunch of my friends and I went to see it [TS]

  and a friend of mine who was a bit older [TS]

  than us but a few years who I remember [TS]

  him saying after the film what it was [TS]

  he used to be so intimidated by Darth [TS]

  Vader when he was a kid who and now he [TS]

  just looks at him as really camp and [TS]

  funny and he almost found himself [TS]

  laughing all the time when Darth Vader [TS]

  was on screen because he's such a [TS]

  ridiculous villain and I think that is [TS]

  one of the problems [TS]

  Darth Vader is starting to have our talk [TS]

  about his final scene in the film after [TS]

  which actually quite liked but he does [TS]

  have that problem of being he's so [TS]

  iconic now everyone knows what he looks [TS]

  like and everyone is just staring at all [TS]

  the time he must feel really awkward [TS]

  like how do I move how can I walk [TS]

  without like a piece so scrutinize as [TS]

  the ultimate villain that almost [TS]

  anything he does is gonna look [TS]

  ridiculous and like you said you were [TS]

  looking at him walking and thinking all [TS]

  his walk looks a bit sassy and you're [TS]

  looking at his body language and I [TS]

  thought the way he was holding his [TS]

  fingers when he was doing the choke on [TS]

  ben mendelsohn all wrong [TS]

  totally wrong oh look at rod yeah [TS]

  there's no how to fade should be holding [TS]

  his fingers like every single thing he [TS]

  does is say so it must be the most [TS]

  intimidating job in Hollywood putting on [TS]

  that soak because yeah it [TS]

  it totally it has to be it has to be [TS]

  don't you mentioned the fingers I i said [TS]

  to my wife afterward like in that scene [TS]

  i kept staring at his helmet and end but [TS]

  not just his helmet exactly where his [TS]

  helmet met his shoulders and I was like [TS]

  something is wrong about this [TS]

  I don't are yeah i agree yeah I don't [TS]

  know what it is that curved rubbery bit [TS]

  yeah yeah like it's something about it [TS]

  the neckline yeah his dart favorite [TS]

  outfit yeah [TS]

  does not match up with what i'm [TS]

  expecting was like is it CG is it just [TS]

  the wrong kind of plastic as like I [TS]

  cannot believe that this is the thing [TS]

  that I'm paying attention to in the [TS]

  scene and happy but I couldn't stop [TS]

  looking at the flange at the edge is up [TS]

  it didn't used to have some chain there [TS]

  that held his cape on or something but [TS]

  I'm i am i imagining that [TS]

  yeah that's that's what I was wondering [TS]

  like is the helmet over the Cape is it [TS]

  normally under the cape or is it but [TS]

  even even the texture of the plastic [TS]

  look wrong and it's like given given [TS]

  that we saw cgi target before I was I [TS]

  was actually wondering like is this [TS]

  whole helmet just cgi is that whatever [TS]

  right the string here I could believe it [TS]

  i believe that they're just like at the [TS]

  hell with it will fix it in post right [TS]

  and they just do a cgi Darth Vader [TS]

  helmet [TS]

  helmet [TS]

  right and and and they don't have [TS]

  anybody wants to hang their try i but i [TS]

  agree with you it's it's like Darth [TS]

  Vader almost has become a problem for [TS]

  himself [TS]

  on screen yeah i think this scene really [TS]

  didn't help that in a variety of ways [TS]

  because it just a bunch of stuff really [TS]

  clang wrong for me and i have to say i [TS]

  don't like i'll be very curious to know [TS]

  if you tuned into this but when the [TS]

  movie ended one of the things i wanted [TS]

  to see was who did the voice of darth [TS]

  vader yeah and it was James Earl Jones [TS]

  yeah and I think like I don't know what [TS]

  the hell happened but James Earl Jones [TS]

  can no longer do the darth vader voice [TS]

  correctly I didn't mind that I didn't [TS]

  muffled voice was like a guy i have to [TS]

  say that there was it was the sound of [TS]

  the voice was right but he had a weird [TS]

  like rhythm and III just like man this [TS]

  is just not this isn't working for me [TS]

  uh-huh the flange on your helmet is all [TS]

  wrong your walk was too sassy and now [TS]

  you're your enunciation of the words is [TS]

  just wrong and and so your finger death [TS]

  grip was wrong as well take your finger [TS]

  death grip is misplaced writing like [TS]

  that out that works i love that i spent [TS]

  200 million dollars on this film we're [TS]

  talking about that fight his helmet [TS]

  flange for like yeah but what this is [TS]

  but this is the kind of thing it's like [TS]

  how you have you know a bunch of [TS]

  obsessive nerds are going to watch this [TS]

  yeah and if you're going to have Darth [TS]

  Vader on-screen you have to get it right [TS]

  and i think they did get it right in his [TS]

  final scene but this but this scene was [TS]

  just it just didn't work for me in any [TS]

  way and I felt like it just undermine [TS]

  Darth Vader is a character and didn't [TS]

  have on-screen presence [TS]

  he's talking to a whiny subordinate he [TS]

  delivers like a doctor evil line where [TS]

  he's like try not to choke on your [TS]

  ambition that was terrible it's like [TS]

  he's giggling in his own suit as he's as [TS]

  he's delivering that line it's terrible [TS]

  it was awful but also i'm not [TS]

  comfortable with the fact he has this [TS]

  like clichéd temple on a lava planet to [TS]

  like I don't but that's not where Darth [TS]

  Vader lives for me he lives like in a in [TS]

  an ultra sterile room on a Star [TS]

  Destroyer surrounded by technology and [TS]

  and like he's not he's not he doesn't [TS]

  live in a rural environment [TS]

  he's an open guy now [TS]

  this is one of the few places where i [TS]

  felt a little bit uncomfortable and the [TS]

  reason I felt uncomfortable is it felt [TS]

  like the prequels were bleeding into [TS]

  this movie it was a nod to the prequels [TS]

  and you should not be nothing to that [TS]

  yeah it's like why is he on this is lava [TS]

  planets like he's this is the vader from [TS]

  the prequels is what it feels like who [TS]

  who lives on a comic book lava planet [TS]

  and says no yeah right and and it is [TS]

  just sitting in a like a bath of milk [TS]

  all day long [TS]

  there were a few scenes in this movie [TS]

  where it's like this is happening [TS]

  because of the prequels and as we [TS]

  mentioned in in the the force awakens [TS]

  review there were a bunch of like very [TS]

  clear middle fingers to the prequels in [TS]

  that movie that you know from from my [TS]

  reading of it and it's like we're not [TS]

  getting that were in this movie like [TS]

  that's that's not what's happening this [TS]

  time and I think that's why it's like it [TS]

  diminishes darth vader and disney I mean [TS]

  Disney obviously those those prequels [TS]

  love them or hate them preferably hate [TS]

  them [TS]

  disney has a massive steak in of course [TS]

  of course so you can see what you can [TS]

  see why occasionally they're going to [TS]

  want to give those a little boost and [TS]

  you know keep them alive so yeah I [TS]

  didn't like it but also just didn't [TS]

  think Darth Vader should live in such a [TS]

  clichéd place you know [TS]

  yeah it's just like okay that's why it [TS]

  just it felt very dr. evil to me like [TS]

  this this is this is a caricature of a [TS]

  villain not an actual villain so I could [TS]

  almost just completely pass on the visit [TS]

  to this rainy rocky planet where they go [TS]

  and have this have this where the dad [TS]

  dies this is where on second viewing I [TS]

  went out to get some popcorn here but [TS]

  the book but the problem is this is also [TS]

  the sequence where are two protagonists [TS]

  have their their transformations like [TS]

  you know the most important part of [TS]

  their of their art happens here [TS]

  our-our Stoneheart killer who's supposed [TS]

  to assassinate the dad changes his mind [TS]

  last minute and the reasons that are [TS]

  never explained to us other than he just [TS]

  didn't feel like it with that that's [TS]

  exactly how it read to me like that I [TS]

  don't feel like it today [TS]

  here I haven't got a clean shot and i [TS]

  won't bother ally and but that's his [TS]

  like that's his moment where he you know [TS]

  is we questioning everything about his [TS]

  existence and also our main [TS]

  character gin like who's never really [TS]

  cared about the rebellion and is happy [TS]

  to keep her head down and not get [TS]

  involved in politics not you know I know [TS]

  her dad dies and that suppose that's [TS]

  what changes her but I didn't really [TS]

  spend it feel I didn't feel her I didn't [TS]

  feel her suddenly getting this new steel [TS]

  and this new resolve to defeat the [TS]

  Empire and because there wasn't even the [TS]

  empire that killed her dad it was the [TS]

  rebels so it's kind of like it [TS]

  fair enough if like the Empire had like [TS]

  killed her dad in front of her that [TS]

  would make her think ok I've picked [TS]

  aside now right its kind of rip its kind [TS]

  of her own tape that killed her dad [TS]

  anyway with this business attack because [TS]

  they will bungled their messages and [TS]

  stuff so it's kind of like I don't [TS]

  understand why either character changed [TS]

  at this point really [TS]

  yeah it's yeah you don't understand [TS]

  because there's no good reason given [TS]

  it's like also kept thinking with this [TS]

  scene it also felt a little frequently [TS]

  and ridiculous to me because I kept like [TS]

  sure is convenient that you guys are [TS]

  having this meeting on an open platform [TS]

  in the rain while someone supposed to be [TS]

  sniper shooting you from the hills [TS]

  writes like a it's like you couldn't [TS]

  have a more torrential downpour and you [TS]

  could like this is where you want to [TS]

  have the meeting it's just I know this [TS]

  is supposed to make this scene looks [TS]

  serious but it makes it look ridiculous [TS]

  you're all going to get pneumonia after [TS]

  today and some and some ridiculous and [TS]

  guarded unmonitored the ladder that [TS]

  leads up to the with pro big big bright [TS]

  lights that leads up to the platform as [TS]

  one [TS]

  yeah its total it's totally ridiculous [TS]

  yeah and i agree with you that this is [TS]

  where again i think the the actresses [TS]

  playing gin does a good job but the but [TS]

  the the next five minutes are to me [TS]

  another example of of like the writing [TS]

  is just terrible because it's yes [TS]

  so now she's on the side of the rebels [TS]

  are they just because her father is dead [TS]

  but she knows the rebels are the ones [TS]

  who actually killed her father right she [TS]

  calls them out on that she literally [TS]

  says you guys might as well be the [TS]

  Empire and according to my clock not [TS]

  three minutes later in her very next [TS]

  scene because they cut to somewhere else [TS]

  then they cut back to her she's at that [TS]

  bureaucratic meeting where nobody can [TS]

  agree on things and gives a rousing [TS]

  speech about how [TS]

  they should all be fighting the Empire [TS]

  the Empire so evil and there is [TS]

  literally nothing that has happened to [TS]

  change her mind from her previous lines [TS]

  of you guys might as well be the Empire [TS]

  ok she's on the side of the rebels now [TS]

  because you need her to be not because [TS]

  anything that happened and again it [TS]

  seems like trivially easy to rewrite [TS]

  this to make her be on the side of the [TS]

  rebels by I don't know maybe not have [TS]

  the rebels be the one who killed her [TS]

  father like maybe maybe you could make [TS]

  that change have been medicine door he's [TS]

  already killed her mom kills her dad [TS]

  toes straw that breaks the camel's back [TS]

  it's not that hard guys and makes him [TS]

  even more evil that the thing is i keep [TS]

  getting the feeling that like the [TS]

  director of this movie wanted to do with [TS]

  thing which is he wanted to show like [TS]

  whoo it's not just black and white like [TS]

  everybody everybody shades of gray in [TS]

  this in this war that the that the [TS]

  rebels and the Empire fighting and i can [TS]

  understand that as a a story that you [TS]

  want to do but i think this movie just [TS]

  didn't do it in a convincing way they [TS]

  don't have characters you like who are [TS]

  caught up in this situation and then you [TS]

  just like okay if I don't like the [TS]

  characters and I don't like the rebels I [TS]

  I feel neutral to the Empire because you [TS]

  haven't actually straight-up shown them [TS]

  doing anything really terrible except [TS]

  kidnapping the one guy in the beginning [TS]

  was like I'm just supposed to go will it [TS]

  just it doesn't work i think there's a [TS]

  version of this that you can do but it's [TS]

  like I don't think this successfully [TS]

  pulled off the feeling of like who maybe [TS]

  the rebels aren't always good it just [TS]

  felt like terrible writing is what it [TS]

  felt well I mean an in ben mendelsohn I [TS]

  think you had the perfect actor to [TS]

  achieve what you just described because [TS]

  I've I really read him not just cause [TS]

  it's Australian oh well but I think he's [TS]

  really good at playing characters i have [TS]

  this kind of charming charismatic charm [TS]

  and and knock about like ability but [TS]

  also kind of scary Menace we're not [TS]

  quite sure how unhinged there who don't [TS]

  know if you want him bloodline [TS]

  I've never seen it before as far as i [TS]

  know but i thought i would like he stood [TS]

  he stood out to me as just a very good [TS]

  actor in the movie [TS]

  yeah he's achy and he's perfect for [TS]

  achieving what you wanted to describe he [TS]

  always plays these guys who are [TS]

  interested in but you don't quite trust [TS]

  him and you know that they're like [TS]

  don't end up being a psychopath or [TS]

  something so when I saw he was playing [TS]

  this role I thought this is gonna be [TS]

  great but i think he was really let down [TS]

  by the script and I think he was his [TS]

  character was just as mediocre as all [TS]

  the others when I felt sorry for him [TS]

  like I felt like he had nothing to work [TS]

  with you and I think he'd I don't think [TS]

  he came out of the film with great [TS]

  distinction I thought like he was just [TS]

  surviving on reckoning but they didn't [TS]

  have much to work with a higher I was [TS]

  really disappointed very disappointed by [TS]

  that character you know in almost every [TS]

  way I think talking about this this [TS]

  problem of who do you like there's one [TS]

  scene which to me comes just so close to [TS]

  being ridiculous which is right after we [TS]

  have this disagreement with we can't get [TS]

  we can get the Alliance to all agree [TS]

  that we're going to go after the Empire [TS]

  and get the Death Star plans and we get [TS]

  this totally unconvincing speech from no [TS]

  reason from jen about why we should all [TS]

  be on the same side and do this together [TS]

  thank God you didn't call arousing you [TS]

  got a rousing a minute ago I thought it [TS]

  was the least rousing rousing speech [TS]

  kept saying no it was terrible i also i [TS]

  also love the this so bad she pauses for [TS]

  a moment there's like a shout out from [TS]

  the crowd for behind her looking like [TS]

  what do you propose and somebody else [TS]

  says letters speak right is like but [TS]

  nobody was talking frankly was dead [TS]

  silence but they're acting like there's [TS]

  there shouting over the country was [TS]

  terrible but she gives us this totally [TS]

  unconvincing speech right and of course [TS]

  a bunch of people who are going to you [TS]

  know they're gonna follow her because of [TS]

  her amazing speech are like oh let's [TS]

  let's go off [TS]

  yeah but but the main the main character [TS]

  what's his name again i still can't even [TS]

  remember uh and and or and or whatever [TS]

  Andy right yeah okay so Andy standing in [TS]

  front of a bunch of guys who have been [TS]

  roused by her speech her terrible boring [TS]

  speech yet right and here's what he says [TS]

  he says we've all done terrible things [TS]

  on behalf of the rebellion yet right [TS]

  I have to believe that everything we've [TS]

  done was for a good reason and I [TS]

  couldn't face myself if I gave up now [TS]

  and it's like dude you sound like a [TS]

  terrorist on the edge of being [TS]

  deprogrammed right that like [TS]

  like you you have to believe that all [TS]

  the terrible things you've done for the [TS]

  rebellion are for the right cause it's [TS]

  like you're not going along with her [TS]

  because this is really good [TS]

  you're going along with her because if [TS]

  you don't all the terrible things you [TS]

  have done were just terrible things [TS]

  it's it's like the worst line ever it [TS]

  feels like maybe if her speech had gone [TS]

  slightly differently he would have woken [TS]

  up and join the Empire been like my god [TS]

  these rebels really are just a bunch of [TS]

  terrorists like what am i doing in and [TS]

  like this is why I kept feeling this [TS]

  whole movie like why what why am I [TS]

  wondering what the Empire's actually up [TS]

  to and this is one of those moments like [TS]

  what are all the terrible things not [TS]

  only you but all the dudes standing [TS]

  behind you have done on behalf of this [TS]

  rebellion it was it was it was awful it [TS]

  was awful [TS]

  I mean it's not a new idea is it that [TS]

  the ripples of terrorists and I just [TS]

  killing government contractors and [TS]

  employees and things like that but but [TS]

  yeah that hit home [TS]

  there's a good story to be told with [TS]

  this but i just think this movie just [TS]

  doesn't achieve it and and is ridiculous [TS]

  in a few points but but that his little [TS]

  speech there i think for anybody [TS]

  watching the movie again [TS]

  listen to what he's actually saying and [TS]

  and it's amazing it's like he's on the [TS]

  verge of an epiphany about how he's been [TS]

  doing everything wrong his entire life [TS]

  but he's going to double down on all the [TS]

  horrors he has has committed and go [TS]

  along with this girl to to steal these [TS]

  plans yeah it's unbelievable it's [TS]

  unbelievable it's like I can't I can't [TS]

  believe this is it in the movie so he [TS]

  does double down movement he goes off to [TS]

  this planet i made a couple of notes [TS]

  about this planet that I called it the [TS]

  moldings data plan because when i looked [TS]

  and i thought my goodness it looks like [TS]

  it's set on the mo days and it turns out [TS]

  it was feeling good about who's so I was [TS]

  it yeah so I was quite pleased and more [TS]

  data smile at my favorite place to go [TS]

  yeah it in my notes in my notes I have [TS]

  it as new dubai right that's it yeah [TS]

  actually like i'll get there in dubai [TS]

  now got it yeah there isn't what the [TS]

  motive slapped by the way is has been [TS]

  divided all the buildings and stuff [TS]

  London but and I made a had a few [TS]

  thoughts about [TS]

  and was I thought like a low-lying [TS]

  watery salty planet seems like the worst [TS]

  place where you can keep your archives [TS]

  of data like what [TS]

  why would why would you put all your [TS]

  hard drives which I'll come to in a [TS]

  minute they seem to have all these [TS]

  old-fashioned platter hard drives on [TS]

  this like sea level [TS]

  sandy watery planet anyway I i love the [TS]

  two brothers that this didn't even cross [TS]

  my mind watching this movie but it's [TS]

  like I have spent enough time in hawaii [TS]

  to know that Hawaii is destroyer of [TS]

  electronics [TS]

  yeah I guess this is this is not good [TS]

  plates to keeping your hard drives also [TS]

  glad you mentioned that [TS]

  yeah and I also thought it seems like a [TS]

  bit of a rubbish place to have the final [TS]

  battle like in the speech in place and I [TS]

  I thought it was gonna be terrible for [TS]

  that battle into the 8080 is turned up [TS]

  and having a tease walking around [TS]

  blowing stuff up on out paradise palm [TS]

  tree beach was awesome at worked really [TS]

  well for me that was one of the best [TS]

  things in the film saying those things [TS]

  crunching around in the sand and [TS]

  knocking over trees and that redeemed at [TS]

  like that seems like that the worst [TS]

  place for that whole final battle except [TS]

  for the fact it was awesome for the [TS]

  eighties I thought yes it though this is [TS]

  this is where on my first watching the [TS]

  movie that there's a there's a little [TS]

  thing which made me totally laughs at [TS]

  this battle scene like I get laughed out [TS]

  loud in the theater and then felt bad [TS]

  for it which is like they've landed ten [TS]

  guys on this this dubai multi-use place [TS]

  and when they detonate a whole bunch of [TS]

  charges they show that the technicians [TS]

  have are occurring like all over this [TS]

  island yeah right [TS]

  uh-huh it's like okay there's 10 guys [TS]

  but you also already established that [TS]

  this this island is so enormous you need [TS]

  ground-based horizontal elevators to [TS]

  shuttle people back and forth because [TS]

  its enormous [TS]

  yeah right but within 30 minutes you [TS]

  have dudes covering the whole island and [TS]

  there's explosions everywhere and so I [TS]

  laughed out loud [TS]

  yeah when they were showing the [TS]

  explosions all over the place like how [TS]

  did these guys get there if it's like [TS]

  there's water between they have to get [TS]

  to the central depot and then go back [TS]

  out further to get the other landing [TS]

  pads like it [TS]

  really ridiculous but but moments after [TS]

  that happened and like I i laughed at [TS]

  that ridiculousness [TS]

  when the fighting shows up and I have to [TS]

  agree like when the ads show up it's [TS]

  like okay I'm having fun and this this [TS]

  was the part of the movie that I like [TS]

  the best was like the last three [TS]

  quarters of the battle scenes on the [TS]

  beach it was the only time I felt like I [TS]

  am having genuine unadulterated fun [TS]

  watching star wars movie and I really [TS]

  like that I thought it was great i will [TS]

  depart a little bit from that because my [TS]

  note i right here was I felt like the [TS]

  final battle saying out on the beaches [TS]

  was mindless repetitive and completely [TS]

  charmless hmm and more and one of my [TS]

  problems with it was I lost track of the [TS]

  number of times there was a scene where [TS]

  a stormtrooper or bad he was just about [TS]

  to shoot someone and then they got shot [TS]

  from the side like that happened that [TS]

  happened about ten times and I was [TS]

  thinking gosh how many more times are [TS]

  they gonna do this and then they went [TS]

  bloody did it with the finale at the top [TS]

  of the terror as well [TS]

  oh my god that was awful where where [TS]

  where genes just about to get shot by [TS]

  ben mendelsohn and he gets shot from the [TS]

  side it's like it was almost like they [TS]

  were spitting in my face at that point [TS]

  it was like you thought you thought we [TS]

  don't too many times [TS]

  well cut this we're gonna do it and kept [TS]

  the whole film off as well yeah we've [TS]

  done to an 80 80 and we're gonna do it [TS]

  is like the final the final shot of the [TS]

  final villain guess this is this is [TS]

  going to happen yeah I guess I i do have [TS]

  to clarify that by this point I I don't [TS]

  mean any of the stuff on the actual [TS]

  beaches it's like everything above the [TS]

  beaches iir i enjoyed I enjoyed the [TS]

  other the shots with the x-wings and the [TS]

  TIE fighters flying around [TS]

  yeah right and that that's great ads on [TS]

  the beaches they appear from nowhere [TS]

  just like a hot like don't care just [TS]

  landed there around because they're on [TS]

  the other side of the beach troops [TS]

  actually if you're looking at the [TS]

  geography of the battle is like they've [TS]

  come from the water like that whatever I [TS]

  don't like deadass I don't care at all [TS]

  but just it's cool right it's cool i [TS]

  like seeing them [TS]

  yeah I like seeing x-wings actually [TS]

  engaging with them right instead of [TS]

  having to use your snowspeeders and tow [TS]

  cables [TS]

  all of that stuff was sort of fun i did [TS]

  find it a little bit distracting that I [TS]

  think for continuity reasons it seemed [TS]

  like the x-wings were being piloted by [TS]

  the american association of retired [TS]

  people like all the x-wing pilot was [TS]

  really old and that's like I don't think [TS]

  that's a career where you're you're [TS]

  baking it into your fifties you know [TS]

  like not many grandmas are flying [TS]

  x-wings but apparently this is what we [TS]

  do have now it's like okay what-what it [TS]

  was a secure career that must be flying [TS]

  an x-wing it doesn't look like it on [TS]

  screen but apparently everybody last [TS]

  decades in those pilots seat but but I [TS]

  just think like the shots of it were fun [TS]

  the cinematography was done really well [TS]

  yeah the the like the over-the-shoulder [TS]

  shot of the x-wing coming out of [TS]

  hyperspace into the battle it's like I [TS]

  really like that it just felt fun so [TS]

  that like that is all the stuff that i [TS]

  really like the what did you think of [TS]

  the well it's not really a battle is [TS]

  about this the sequence in the tower [TS]

  where they're actually stealing the [TS]

  plans i was surprised by how low tech it [TS]

  was and I was getting a lot of kind of [TS]

  backblaze hard drive related anxieties [TS]

  and she was taking out those guys that [TS]

  platter hard drive and flopping around [TS]

  on it Bell to hear about a quasar-like [TS]

  boy it's really convenient you have a [TS]

  clip exactly the size for this hard [TS]

  drive [TS]

  I it seems like quite low tech and then [TS]

  that were lapping it up and it was i [TS]

  guess i guess it was just it wasn't you [TS]

  know [TS]

  mcalister's up here here's the thing off [TS]

  one of the things I like about Star Wars [TS]

  is it's like a universe without [TS]

  communications technology yeah right [TS]

  like if you with you watch the original [TS]

  ones like people are constantly [TS]

  uninformed or ill informed about things [TS]

  you know that they don't have Star Trek [TS]

  communicators it seems like it's a world [TS]

  where we have faster-than-light travel [TS]

  somehow and fax machines right but yeah [TS]

  but no news organizations like there's [TS]

  no TVs or anything it's like isn't there [TS]

  some like hot daily newspaper right [TS]

  where you can find out what's going on [TS]

  like nope it's like there's none of this [TS]

  but but i think this is a case of [TS]

  world-building we're like it just kind [TS]

  of works [TS]

  yeah it just it just works and it's like [TS]

  okay for some reason [TS]

  communications in the star wars universe [TS]

  is just difficult to do and out and i'll [TS]

  just go along with that I will totally [TS]

  accept that I'm totally fine with it but [TS]

  then this movie starts breaking it down [TS]

  a little bit because i'm aware of like [TS]

  traffic don't think about it too hard [TS]

  what's happening in the scene like okay [TS]

  wait you're broadcasting the plans [TS]

  okay so yeah you can send the plans [TS]

  wirelessly from the ground to the ship's [TS]

  yeah and then the ships are receiving [TS]

  those plans but then there immediately [TS]

  put onto a little key and it seems like [TS]

  the key is the only place that these [TS]

  exist [TS]

  yeah but you broadcast it like this is [TS]

  not a distance it doesn't seem like it's [TS]

  a narrow band signal is a wide pan [TS]

  signal like the ships are getting it [TS]

  yeah like what i sent it to every ship [TS]

  and every night whatever I put on the [TS]

  web [TS]

  put it put on youtube yeah it's like so [TS]

  you've received the plans but they're [TS]

  not in the ship they're only on this [TS]

  little card [TS]

  yeah and it's like and you guys haven't [TS]

  signed up for backblaze like that like i [TS]

  just it bothers me because it becomes a [TS]

  moment of you want these characters on [TS]

  the ground for the end of the movie so [TS]

  how do you get them on the ground and [TS]

  the plans in the air [TS]

  this is how but it introduces something [TS]

  that now messes with this idea of in the [TS]

  star wars universe communication [TS]

  technology is terrible [TS]

  like I would have much preferred if they [TS]

  did something even I mean maybe even [TS]

  dumber and lower tech but like [TS]

  physically take the plans off-planet [TS]

  right have a little cannon and launch [TS]

  them into outer space have a droid take [TS]

  them up or something but I don't like [TS]

  that like we're using a satellite dish [TS]

  to just broadcast them its it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't ring right for the universe for [TS]

  me and it starts messing with all kinds [TS]

  of other stuff like what how is it how [TS]

  is it so hard with these plans to keep [TS]

  them like it's leave them as physical [TS]

  plans that's totally fine but it [TS]

  requires rewrites for how is this how is [TS]

  this going to end and it just it really [TS]

  felt to me like they just want to keep [TS]

  the plant the characters on the planet [TS]

  this is what we're just going to do [TS]

  don't think about it too hard because it [TS]

  won't make any sense if you do so the [TS]

  cat and a big character we haven't [TS]

  spoken about yet is the repro [TS]

  grand Imperial Droid k2s oh who follows [TS]

  a hero's around all over the place [TS]

  mm what did you think of that character [TS]

  ok [TS]

  overall I actually quite like k2 but i [TS]

  think this was in no small part a side [TS]

  effect of I've got nobody else to like [TS]

  yeah right [TS]

  it's like if you took k2 and put him in [TS]

  almost any other movie i would be super [TS]

  annoyed by this robot but in this one I [TS]

  felt like I like k to his his death [TS]

  scene was the only moment in the whole [TS]

  movie that registered emotionally for me [TS]

  yeah i was like i am sad that he has [TS]

  died right like this is a sad moment [TS]

  this is what art is supposed to do it is [TS]

  supposed to invoke an emotional feeling [TS]

  and I've been sitting here for this two [TS]

  hours feeling nothing k2 dies I feel sad [TS]

  about it sounds like success in that [TS]

  part movie but they had just a lot of [TS]

  snarky stuff with k2 that I felt was was [TS]

  too much like what did you think i agree [TS]

  that the sort of the selfless death of [TS]

  kato was probably behind only like [TS]

  emotional moment in the whole film not i [TS]

  had problems with the believability of a [TS]

  droid in the star wars universe and [TS]

  being capable of humor and sarcasm and [TS]

  all those things I don't like that's [TS]

  never something we've been taught that [TS]

  simply been shown in Star Wars really I [TS]

  feel like c-3po does that though like [TS]

  c-3po makes jokes [TS]

  yeah but c-3po c-3po seat we laugh at c3 [TS]

  PA there maybe you're right maybe you're [TS]

  right we don't laugh with c-3po c-3po [TS]

  isn't deliberately funny [TS]

  c-3po is funny because we see the humor [TS]

  in it [TS]

  c-3po is completely unaware of the fact [TS]

  that he's funny [TS]

  whereas k2 is like deliberately [TS]

  sarcastic and i'm sure it's like a [TS]

  problem with his reprogramming and maybe [TS]

  they're at emotion ship somewhere maybe [TS]

  like it's funny that he just says [TS]

  everything he thinks and that i can [TS]

  imagine a droid doing that i can imagine [TS]

  a droid having this kind of verbal [TS]

  diarrhea and just being tactless but [TS]

  yeah but Katie goes beyond that k2 like [TS]

  is deliberately sarcastic and funny cat [TS]

  back at the start with k to this is the [TS]

  probability that you're gonna get killed [TS]

  by her with that blaster is like eighty [TS]

  percent or whatever like what it's very [TS]

  high [TS]

  it's what katie says that's funny and [TS]

  that's k2 doing what a robot would do [TS]

  and just not having that attacked to not [TS]

  say it but then as the film goes on you [TS]

  know it becomes more deliberately [TS]

  sarcastic and more human and little [TS]

  didn't quite work for me but you're [TS]

  right you've got no one else to like no [TS]

  one else in the film is ever funny [TS]

  effort huh well I'm never had thought [TS]

  about this until now but i'm trying to [TS]

  think of any point in the film when gene [TS]

  or and/or are funny and jokey or fri [TS]

  like they're not funny pointless ninja [TS]

  guy makes a joke about is your foot okay [TS]

  when he's taking out a bunch of [TS]

  Stormtroopers yeah i guess those 2i [TS]

  guess those two Ninja Gaiden muscle [TS]

  supposed to be a bit of light relief but [TS]

  right but they're they're so pointless [TS]

  an awful [TS]

  not that you can't really read for them [TS]

  but they sort of joke but even then it's [TS]

  very little [TS]

  yeah so I'm in kato is the only source [TS]

  of human in this film [TS]

  whereas you know in glory days of styles [TS]

  we got hand silo and two-backer and [TS]

  layer he so sassy and all that stuff [TS]

  we've got like multiple sources of [TS]

  levity in here we've got ya a robot who [TS]

  I don't believe can be funny so so [TS]

  you've got to like k2 almost out of [TS]

  necessity [TS]

  yeah that that's exactly and it's like a [TS]

  k2 was in the the original trilogy is I [TS]

  feel like I most certainly are [TS]

  I would be annoyed by him but here he's [TS]

  like a lifeboat right like oh thank [TS]

  goodness the the thing is there is I [TS]

  mean talking about a whole bunch of the [TS]

  the like callbacks and and fanservice [TS]

  stuff funny you mention that line about [TS]

  k2 because the thing I really liked [TS]

  about him is is early in the [TS]

  introduction that he has exactly that [TS]

  scene where you know the two of them are [TS]

  going to go off to I don't know whatever [TS]

  some some planets subtitled on the [TS]

  bottom of the screen seven and he says [TS]

  you know that would you like to know the [TS]

  probability of her using that weapon [TS]

  against you right and and he says no and [TS]

  i love that he he says its high it's [TS]

  very high right as as he's looking way [TS]

  and he does a little hand gesture and [TS]

  here's where I think like this is good [TS]

  because it's connected to the other [TS]

  movies without having him just do the [TS]

  same thing that c-3po does yeah right [TS]

  he doesn't like over its ninety-seven [TS]

  percent actually like I love the fact [TS]

  that they do this it makes him feel [TS]

  droid like but his own person right that [TS]

  he's like alright you stupid human like [TS]

  it's really high i'm not even going to [TS]

  specify but she's gonna shoot you with [TS]

  that gun yeah well so much because he [TS]

  didn't want to know so he's almost not [TS]

  allowed to tell him but yeah you can [TS]

  stare tell him it's I yeah exactly but [TS]

  later on it's like oh you have to do the [TS]

  c-3po thing when you're in the canyon [TS]

  and he's like always we have a twenty [TS]

  percent chance of failure right now like [TS]

  now we have a thirty-seven percent [TS]

  chance of failure it's like then it just [TS]

  feels like you're just copying the other [TS]

  movies [TS]

  yeah and-and-and I don't like it and I [TS]

  thought that little k2 moment I just I [TS]

  loved and I thought if you could do this [TS]

  consistently with him throughout the [TS]

  rest of the movie it would be great but [TS]

  they they don't I do have to say the [TS]

  other reason why he's very likeable is [TS]

  the animation that they do with his eyes [TS]

  i think is fantastic and i would love to [TS]

  see behind-the-scenes thing because I i [TS]

  feel very confident that they they [TS]

  looked at a bunch of like animals like [TS]

  dogs or chimpanzees because they keep [TS]

  having him do this like look at you look [TS]

  away thing look down like his I [TS]

  animation even though it's so limited [TS]

  I feel like they're really able to [TS]

  provoke like a a very particular [TS]

  emotional response to him with that so I [TS]

  think like the animation on him what was [TS]

  was really good and it's another reason [TS]

  why like when he dies it is it is sad [TS]

  because you you have this kind of he's [TS]

  different but likable and he's been [TS]

  animated in a very good way i thought so [TS]

  should we push towards the end of the [TS]

  film then who might as well considering [TS]

  this podcast as I can end up being about [TS]

  as long as the film if we're not careful [TS]

  i did want to say one thing actually [TS]

  before we talk about the very far away [TS]

  and that is the rebel flate when it [TS]

  attacks the entrance to the gate one of [TS]

  my problems with the rebel fleet here is [TS]

  suddenly seems much more capable than I [TS]

  remember [TS]

  mm like they always the rebel fleet [TS]

  always seemed terribly under power [TS]

  word and and liked are hiding to nothing [TS]

  but they seem like a rude dominant force [TS]

  in a lot of this battle when they're [TS]

  ready and not many of them are getting [TS]

  taken out and that the Empire seemed [TS]

  really scared of them [TS]

  I felt like the rebels suddenly seemed [TS]

  like a more powerful than I remembered [TS]

  in this final battle who like they [TS]

  seemed almost too good i will agree that [TS]

  there's a shot that I think that is is [TS]

  poorly done where it seems like there's [TS]

  maybe 15 x-wings frankly like the red [TS]

  gold and blue leaders right each you [TS]

  have maybe five x-wings with them and [TS]

  they show a shot of hundreds of thai [TS]

  fighter is pouring out of of one of the [TS]

  ships [TS]

  yeah it's like the x-wings are holding [TS]

  holding their own pretty well yes like [TS]

  okay I mean maybe this is why all of [TS]

  these pilots are sold is because they're [TS]

  the best in the universe rather just [TS]

  fantastic at what they do [TS]

  yeah but it seems a little too [TS]

  outnumbered and and maybe you could just [TS]

  pretend that the Empire's not super [TS]

  concerned about protecting this base [TS]

  because there's a shield generator [TS]

  around and they think it's fine [TS]

  yeah like but instead yeah it's it's [TS]

  like those x-wing pilot are too good [TS]

  they're way too good for the numbers [TS]

  that you're seeing on screen [TS]

  the thing that drove me crazy and this I [TS]

  think is a side effect of like you have [TS]

  too many characters is in the battle [TS]

  sequence we have our troops on the [TS]

  ground [TS]

  what is their objective we want to get [TS]

  the plans okay great [TS]

  the plans have to be beamed off of the [TS]

  planet understandable i don't like it [TS]

  but it's understandable [TS]

  ok the shield's blocking our [TS]

  transmission so now we need our pilot to [TS]

  tell the rebel fleet up above to take [TS]

  down the shield's what the hell else is [TS]

  the rebel fleet doing right like if the [TS]

  rebel fleet has come to this planet [TS]

  their explicit goal is to provide air [TS]

  support for the troops on the ground but [TS]

  there is a shield between them and the [TS]

  troops [TS]

  what else would they be doing except [TS]

  trying to take down the shield and get [TS]

  down to the surface like they can't [TS]

  possibly have any other goal except to [TS]

  get may be slaughtered by the capital [TS]

  ships that are up there like just [TS]

  hanging around its it was crazy making [TS]

  to me and it felt like it's just a side [TS]

  effect like oh right we brought this [TS]

  pilot character along who again i think [TS]

  is entirely unnecessary like most of the [TS]

  characters here we need to give him [TS]

  something to [TS]

  do ya so he has to be involved in this [TS]

  account like a Rube Goldberg machine of [TS]

  we need to get the master switch to send [TS]

  the signal to talk to the fleet to tell [TS]

  the fleet to do the thing that's the [TS]

  only thing that they're doing [TS]

  it's it's it's bothersome and again I [TS]

  think it's a side effect of the terrible [TS]

  writing yeah why can he talk to the [TS]

  flight but the plans can't get through [TS]

  the show is there something special [TS]

  about his ship or the that's which I [TS]

  think about yeah exactly it's like this [TS]

  doesn't doesn't even make sense if you [TS]

  think about it too long right against [TS]

  it's like the data transmission problem [TS]

  here of like over monkeying around with [TS]

  how communications work and I feel like [TS]

  all of the writing problems about the [TS]

  rebels are dicks [TS]

  I have no one to root for I'm wondering [TS]

  if maybe the Empire is right about these [TS]

  terrorists [TS]

  I feel like it was really for me summed [TS]

  up in one moment of the movie where I [TS]

  did have a little bit of an emotional [TS]

  reaction and it was the totally wrong [TS]

  emotional reaction and it's when they [TS]

  have the rebels get the Hammerhead ship [TS]

  to make that the disabled Star Destroyer [TS]

  crash into another star destroyer and [TS]

  crash into the shield generator [TS]

  yeah i was watching that scene and all I [TS]

  kept thinking of is god there's a lot of [TS]

  people in those ships right that's like [TS]

  I am feeling bad for the Empire in this [TS]

  moment and like this is the wrong [TS]

  emotional reaction to be having I I [TS]

  don't want to be having this emotional [TS]

  reaction and what's even weirder is the [TS]

  music choice is sort of a sad song in [TS]

  this moment and it's it's like I know [TS]

  this is not how I am supposed to be [TS]

  feeling but like I have been led here by [TS]

  all of the mess that has occurred before [TS]

  this so that in what's supposed to be a [TS]

  moment of triumph I am having the exact [TS]

  opposite emotional reaction like [TS]

  thousands of people are dying in those [TS]

  ships right now [TS]

  good job rebels with with your suicide [TS]

  shipwright ramming into the side of them [TS]

  it was that that to me is like the [TS]

  pinnacle of like I am reacting to this [TS]

  movie in the wrong way because the [TS]

  writing is terrible [TS]

  it's the music was not as good yeah I [TS]

  think it was fun to me it was a little [TS]

  bit unremarkable I I didn't notice it [TS]

  very much [TS]

  you know so wasn't it wasn't bad or [TS]

  anything the only time I noticed it was [TS]

  in this in that scene where I felt like [TS]

  this music is wrong [TS]

  otherwise it just felt like background [TS]

  music but I wonder if it suffered from [TS]

  not having John Williams this time okay [TS]

  didn't I didn't realize that he wasn't [TS]

  doing the music this time so they have [TS]

  somebody else obviously they used a few [TS]

  little squirts of his original stuff at [TS]

  certain times and those are times when [TS]

  you're like a stowers that most of the [TS]

  most of it was written by someone else [TS]

  and me like I don't want to kick someone [TS]

  for not being john williams because it's [TS]

  pretty hard for you have to follow that [TS]

  but I do think i'll show it i do you [TS]

  think it showed that that wasn't quite [TS]

  as good [TS]

  I didn't know that it wasn't John [TS]

  Williams and I made a note in adjoining [TS]

  the film saying the music's not as good [TS]

  in this one as it was even in the [TS]

  terrible prequel soon i was noticing the [TS]

  music wasn't as good and then I looked [TS]

  later on and found out that someone else [TS]

  said had done it [TS]

  hmm so anyway our heroes down on the [TS]

  ground get death start you know they get [TS]

  they get blown up and thanks for the [TS]

  plans you did the job that was very [TS]

  noble and then we get the plans on to [TS]

  these the rebel fleet and the rebel want [TS]

  to get away and the darth vader turns up [TS]

  at just the right moment with his [TS]

  reinforcements and stops anyone being [TS]

  able to get away except perhaps this one [TS]

  ship with the plans and then we have [TS]

  Darth Vader get onto the get onto the [TS]

  ship and he's almost like man for men [TS]

  now trying to get his hands on this on [TS]

  this data card of the plants almost like [TS]

  a relay baton being passed move from one [TS]

  person to the next and our ladies [TS]

  chasing the moon [TS]

  what did you think of that same i liked [TS]

  it i I really liked it [TS]

  I great yeah it was awesome okay yeah it [TS]

  was super fun to watch [TS]

  yeah but it also felt like an [TS]

  introduction to a video game or [TS]

  something like it again didn't feel like [TS]

  it needed to be in this movie but I will [TS]

  totally creep like watching Darth Vader [TS]

  slice through a bunch of rebels you know [TS]

  slice through a bunch of terrorists may [TS]

  be right who knows it was great i [TS]

  thought it was really well done and this [TS]

  is like what Darth Vader should be he [TS]

  feels menacing yeah he's moving forward [TS]

  there's there's a clear objective right [TS]

  he's trying to get the one copy of the [TS]

  data that they have they don't have a [TS]

  lot of the ships he's kind of a bit [TS]

  angry and stuff and yeah yeah it's it's [TS]

  I really liked it [TS]

  I do think again though that it's like a [TS]

  little bit of the prequel this here [TS]

  where it's like it's the different Darth [TS]

  Vader it's the clearly more powerful [TS]

  force using Darth Vader from the [TS]

  prequels because it's like oh well yeah [TS]

  in her in a new hope he's not like [TS]

  taking out six guys at once by clenching [TS]

  his fists [TS]

  yeah that that's not the Darth Vader who [TS]

  shows up later so i think that scene [TS]

  causes problems but i do have to say [TS]

  like in isolation [TS]

  I just love this sequence i think this [TS]

  sequence is great it was a good sequence [TS]

  yeah it's one of the best things in the [TS]

  movie yeah it's really enjoyable the [TS]

  door closing right and and the rebel [TS]

  ship getting away that shot of it [TS]

  falling away from the main ship i really [TS]

  like that I like that as a reveal yeah I [TS]

  still feel like it causes problems but [TS]

  it was it was just very and very [TS]

  enjoyable [TS]

  well I thought it was great this if I [TS]

  just saying I've been thinking a lot [TS]

  about it's funny because one of the one [TS]

  of the fundamental problems this film [TS]

  has that we haven't even mentioned but [TS]

  it's that it's the elephant in the room [TS]

  is that we all pretty much know how it's [TS]

  going to end [TS]

  yeah because because we have to know how [TS]

  it's going to end and yet the funny [TS]

  thing was even though I knew that dad [TS]

  later wasn't going to stop the ship and [TS]

  get the plans that same still had some [TS]

  tension and some thrilling this to it [TS]

  because of the desperation of the men [TS]

  who were getting killed it was like it [TS]

  reminded me of a saying in like [TS]

  submarine movies when the submarines [TS]

  filling up with water and they're [TS]

  shutting doors and people are trying to [TS]

  not run on a submarine I had a real kind [TS]

  of human tension yeah there was there [TS]

  was real visceral miss to it yeah [TS]

  actually actually made me think of it [TS]

  like a scene in watership down where a [TS]

  bunch of rabbits are trying to escape a [TS]

  Warren that they're in [TS]

  yeah it's the say it's the same thing [TS]

  like narrow confined space clear problem [TS]

  obstruction right now i can understand [TS]

  it [TS]

  emotionally it was it was great and I [TS]

  also see the problem with how capable [TS]

  Darth Vader is their man he's he's doing [TS]

  he's doing amazing things and this is [TS]

  the same guy that two or three days [TS]

  later is going to have sort of an [TS]

  old-age pension a fight with really went [TS]

  beyond the data where these two slow [TS]

  lumbering out there so I do see that [TS]

  problem but even though Darth Vader was [TS]

  clearly too agile and he's doing things [TS]

  that are two amazing he does kind of [TS]

  have a kind of lumbering oaf ish [TS]

  movement to him even [TS]

  he's doing it so even though he's a bit [TS]

  too athletic and it does it does break [TS]

  the continuity they didn't overdo it [TS]

  they didn't have him doing Darth Maul [TS]

  karate car with yes and he there was a [TS]

  kind of Hawking lumbering get out of my [TS]

  way Boom Bang I'm a big-time Haggard the [TS]

  giant trying to get these plans exactly [TS]

  they went too far but they didn't go too [TS]

  far by too much right and it kind of it [TS]

  kind of worked I i completely agree [TS]

  right he's like a Frankenstein's monster [TS]

  feel to him yeah which is again why the [TS]

  scene works he's not agile yeah he is he [TS]

  is a tank coming to crush you [TS]

  yeah that's what yeah yeah so that [TS]

  worked and anyway he has a great saying [TS]

  is the shit gets away and he's there in [TS]

  the airlock having missed it by that [TS]

  much [TS]

  and then we have the final few seconds [TS]

  where the plans are handed to our [TS]

  princess layer in her white robe and we [TS]

  turn around we see her face and she says [TS]

  her cheesy cheesy line at the end of my [TS]

  good what did you think of those find a [TS]

  few seconds then is awful just really [TS]

  awful and I kind of dropped the ball [TS]

  didn't know they did a in much the same [TS]

  way revenge of the sith mucked up their [TS]

  death later ending [TS]

  I mean surely the way princess leia [TS]

  looked freaked you out talk about [TS]

  uncanny valley [TS]

  yeah it's yeah it was it was that [TS]

  there's there's a few problems with this [TS]

  thing is like okay so so this whole [TS]

  sequence with Vader is amazing and I can [TS]

  see why they want to end the movie on [TS]

  this [TS]

  yeah but I kept thinking doesn't this [TS]

  belong in the space battle rightly that [TS]

  this seems like it should come sooner in [TS]

  the movie but it also just had this [TS]

  problem of like Laius seems really happy [TS]

  in this shot it's like all she's getting [TS]

  away like she scampering away and she's [TS]

  she's clutching hope in her hands and it [TS]

  feels emotionally wrong it's like wait [TS]

  you're the princess like who knows how [TS]

  many people have just died here [TS]

  yeah it yeah I mean she's just saying [TS]

  she's just saying several ships full of [TS]

  all her colleagues yea crash into a Star [TS]

  Destroyer probably at probably a [TS]

  thousand people she's facebook friends [TS]

  with have just died in front of her and [TS]

  she's like who you know [TS]

  yeah it's like got away right yeah and [TS]

  and it's like this layer does not feel [TS]

  like the layout on Hoth who was trying [TS]

  to get everybody out of the base before [TS]

  her [TS]

  yeah this is a layer who's who [TS]

  zipping off to have a fun adventure in [TS]

  the next three movies [TS]

  yeah and I just I didn't like it i think [TS]

  the line is is really clunky it doesn't [TS]

  work and she looks terrible [TS]

  I just don't think they need to do it [TS]

  and it's what it strikes to me as is [TS]

  like the leia on screen is supposed to [TS]

  be reflecting emotionally what they want [TS]

  the audience to feel right and and [TS]

  that's why I think this scene comes at [TS]

  the end as opposed to in the actual [TS]

  battle itself is because this is what [TS]

  they want you to leave on right what [TS]

  they don't want you to leave on is a [TS]

  nuclear holocaust where everybody dies [TS]

  everybody who have just been following [TS]

  for the last two hours and supposedly [TS]

  caring about from from our from a guy [TS]

  and a girl and a robot and a ninja and [TS]

  everyone everyone's just everyone's dead [TS]

  yeah and we're supposed to go whoo yeah [TS]

  yeah but and I I'm convinced that's why [TS]

  the movie ends this way and and that's [TS]

  also why they have layer react as they [TS]

  want the audience to react not as the [TS]

  actual character of Princess Leia would [TS]

  react and and that's what I thought as [TS]

  bad ending really really bad anything [TS]

  i'm also surprised that they would want [TS]

  the audience to feel that way i don't [TS]

  know i thought it should be a bit more [TS]

  bittersweet [TS]

  well i mean ok so I I'm convinced this [TS]

  is like a like a marketing decision [TS]

  right that they want people to walk out [TS]

  of the movie feeling like they just had [TS]

  an amazing adventure and I mean I have [TS]

  to say my my second viewing there [TS]

  happened to be a bunch of families with [TS]

  with kids in the theater I was watching [TS]

  how they walked out and everybody seemed [TS]

  to walk out like oh boy that was fun fun [TS]

  adventure right in a way that I think [TS]

  even children watching a movie that ends [TS]

  in a nuclear holocaust where everybody [TS]

  dies they probably wouldn't have liked [TS]

  left out of their seats and then like [TS]

  fun excitement I feel like this is a [TS]

  committee decision that we don't want [TS]

  people to go into a Star Wars movie and [TS]

  leave on a downer right we want them to [TS]

  feel like you're leaving the theater on [TS]

  a high like wasn't that a rip-roaring [TS]

  adventure that you just had think I say [TS]

  the empire strikes back then we have but [TS]

  that's what makes it such a great movie [TS]

  that's the biggest one of the best [TS]

  movies ever made [TS]

  yeah but it's it's like but you can't [TS]

  produce that consistently yeah right and [TS]

  so I think that's why this occurred [TS]

  even if the the downer ending i think [TS]

  would have made the film stronger and I [TS]

  think that's why that's why it didn't [TS]

  happen [TS]

  how would you invented the film and [TS]

  that's a tough question because I [TS]

  haven't thought of an ass of myself yet [TS]

  but I'm just thinking what could you [TS]

  have done differently could you have had [TS]

  the rebel blockade runner get away and [TS]

  then going back down to the planet and [TS]

  had the tidal wave and that's kind of [TS]

  what I'm thinking right is like you see [TS]

  that the plans have made it out but but [TS]

  you do end with a big explosion where [TS]

  everybody dies but the only problem with [TS]

  that is there the darth vader chasing [TS]

  the plans saying was so good I almost [TS]

  couldn't have taken much more after that [TS]

  like if I'd I like that was a real [TS]

  rollicking way to end the film like it [TS]

  was a real thrill and and things ended [TS]

  so quickly after that maybe see princess [TS]

  life for 10 seconds and bang but ships [TS]

  guard and it ends like so in some ways [TS]

  that kind of high-energy ending did kind [TS]

  of work it was just the cheesy line and [TS]

  the distracting way that Princess Leia [TS]

  looked at ruined i would have been quite [TS]

  happy for the movie to end with the [TS]

  blockade running gag away and Darth [TS]

  Vader at the airlock and that would [TS]

  segues nicely into New Hope but just the [TS]

  cheese of the line [TS]

  yeah and the destruction of the face and [TS]

  and did all of that [TS]

  yeah and and her wink at the camera as [TS]

  she takes off right too much [TS]

  yeah it's i would i would have a much [TS]

  more down or ending but I i agree with [TS]

  you like I can understand you know if i [TS]

  was working at Disney and on the [TS]

  committee that's making these movies [TS]

  like you have a bunch of things that [TS]

  you're trying to do and i would probably [TS]

  under the circumstances decide to do it [TS]

  this way right whereas if you're asked [TS]

  me like how would I end this movie it's [TS]

  it's like well this is involved with [TS]

  questions about how i would structurally [TS]

  rewrite almost every single thing that [TS]

  occurs right yeah because like what [TS]

  happened like how would how would you [TS]

  fix this disaster in the last 30 seconds [TS]

  it's like you know what they did what [TS]

  they did was flying because there's [TS]

  nothing that you're really gonna do [TS]

  that's gonna going to fix all the [TS]

  problems that I that I have [TS]

  what's your sort of course you're [TS]

  closing thoughts then I mean what are we [TS]

  what have we done [TS]

  what's happened my closing thoughts are [TS]

  the feeling I had on my way to the [TS]

  theater last night when i was going to [TS]

  watch it which was I was happy to see a [TS]

  Star Wars movie and and more than that I [TS]

  was happy [TS]

  on my way to the theater to have the [TS]

  feeling of the pressure is off in a [TS]

  sense that we know that from now until [TS]

  the end of copyright protection which [TS]

  will be at the same time as the heat [TS]

  death of the universe [TS]

  disney is going to be releasing Star [TS]

  Wars movies some of them will be good [TS]

  and some of them will be bad but I feel [TS]

  like after force awakens we've all had a [TS]

  bit of a catharsis and I can go see a [TS]

  Star Wars movie and if it is bad if I [TS]

  don't like it that's fine [TS]

  there will be more star wars movies and [TS]

  while that makes Star Wars less special [TS]

  it does it does mean that it becomes [TS]

  like any other movie where it's like [TS]

  well you don't have to see bad movies [TS]

  and you can just rewatched the movies [TS]

  that you think are good while I think [TS]

  it's pretty clear that i did not like [TS]

  this movie I'm fine with that [TS]

  I don't like I'm fine with that because [TS]

  there's going to be more to come [TS]

  and some of them I expect we'll be good [TS]

  and some of them I expect we'll be bad [TS]

  but it feels like the pressures off [TS]

  what is it about force awakens that has [TS]

  created that scenario you could have [TS]

  said this before force awakens are they [TS]

  going to make a bunch of more star wars [TS]

  films it doesn't matter anymore what was [TS]

  it about that film that created this new [TS]

  scenario [TS]

  well I think we do want to have a [TS]

  conversation about force awakens again [TS]

  but now is not that time I i was i will [TS]

  unless you want to go for another two [TS]

  hours because i actually have a whole [TS]

  bunch of thoughts but i will just say [TS]

  that force awakens the feeling was I am [TS]

  seeing a Star Wars movie and I'm really [TS]

  liking it and I can see it multiple [TS]

  times in the theater and I'm happy right [TS]

  now I'd like I've had that good [TS]

  experience and it was simply just the [TS]

  confirmation that like this could happen [TS]

  again okay right there can be good Star [TS]

  Wars movies they won't always be [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  that's what is that that's that's why I [TS]

  feel like force awakens was catharsis so [TS]

  force awakens basically made it clear [TS]

  that those first three films in the [TS]

  seventies and eighties who were like a [TS]

  one-off they there there is the route [TS]

  good style was movies you know because [TS]

  then there were three terrible ones in a [TS]

  row [TS]

  calgon with those three the only ones [TS]

  we're going to say right now force [TS]

  awakens just proved at first first three [TS]

  weren't fluke or you know [TS]

  yeah it's not it's not that it's not [TS]

  that force awakens was as good as the [TS]

  original trilogy that but it's that I [TS]

  can watch and and enjoy and feel like [TS]

  I'm having a fun time watching star wars [TS]

  movie right that's that's what it [TS]

  confirmed like this can happen again [TS]

  yeah and so now seeing road 10 feeling [TS]

  like god what a mess [TS]

  it's it's not at like an additional [TS]

  feeling of disappointment that like [TS]

  they'll never get it right again [TS]

  yeah and and so that that that's the [TS]

  feeling I mean I think I mean broke one [TS]

  is an order of magnitude better than the [TS]

  prequels oh oh yeah I'd rather watch [TS]

  Road one three times in a row then watch [TS]

  one of the prequels once [TS]

  yeah yeah just to be just to be clear [TS]

  like yeah just just to be absolutely [TS]

  clear I don't feel like I wasted my time [TS]

  seeing road one like I've had not just [TS]

  for work purposes like I i I'm I'm glad [TS]

  I went and saw it was good enough to be [TS]

  worth you know you ten quid and a couple [TS]

  of hours and afternoon but I maybe I [TS]

  liked obviously liked it more than you [TS]

  but i think i think it was you know like [TS]

  i said it was my thumb is above the [TS]

  horizontal so it doesn't get it does get [TS]

  a slight thumbs up for me but it is it [TS]

  is very flawed who and it's just not fun [TS]

  it's just not fun movie that's the [TS]

  problem it's like I could forgive bad [TS]

  scripting if I like if it was fun [TS]

  who that wasn't even that fund it was it [TS]

  was it took itself quite seriously [TS]

  except for the droid and there were lots [TS]

  of mindless battle today like it [TS]

  you know the old fashioned ending of the [TS]

  film just people just shooting the crap [TS]

  out of each other for half-an-hour [TS]

  happened [TS]

  so anyway i'll be curious to hear and [TS]

  read and see what everyone else in the [TS]

  world thinks now [TS]

  yeah me too um I'll be curious to see [TS]

  what the reaction is alright but let's [TS]

  go back to all of my notes about what [TS]

  happened to Jenna because i have many [TS]

  points that I want to still hang on [TS]