HI: Rogue One Star Wars Christmas Special
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mmm that was half lots of a half wookie
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co yeah I don't know what that was that
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went terribly wrong i guess i was going
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wrong when i was doing it but whatever
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the show must go on
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what do you think of the taco
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I think it's pretty coat i think it's a
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very good title rogue one is a good
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title for Star Wars movie
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I liked it thumbs up two thumbs up for
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the title good stop
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yeah it's it's it's funny for me because
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for various reasons i have been more
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disconnected from the world than normal
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for the past many weeks I only just
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found out literally like days ago that
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this star wars movie even existed and
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was in the theaters so I I went into
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this one knowing the words Road one and
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vaguely what I'd heard a year ago that
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they were going to make a movie about
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getting the Death Star plans
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yeah and that was that was the entire
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extent of my knowledge like I knew more
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about the force awakens by multiples of
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hundreds than than this movie so I went
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just knowing cool title very cool title
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and that was basically it did not saying
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trailers or anything or I hadn't seen
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trailers I hadn't seen posters is
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somehow this one totally blew past me
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yeah and the only thing I knew about it
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was was last year hearing about their
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plan to do and in between sewed kind of
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a movie every year as opposed to their
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main one so that was it i knew i knew
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nothing walking into the Star Wars movie
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nice work i managed to remain reasonably
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spoiler-free thank goodness and as of
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now i'm also very very review and
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mmm i do not have reasonably positive
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reviews raised me positive but I don't
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know what people have liked to not like
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to what people have said so things we
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say that we might think of profound may
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have been set of thousand times before
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or we may find something amazing thing
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that no one's ever said before but
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knowing the sort of star wars ii podcast
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few things I think we're all going to be
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saying the same things that everyone
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else says yeah if if if last year's Star
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Wars Christmas special was anything to
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go by what we regard ourselves from
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listening to all sorts of reviews not
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only to discover after recording our
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podcast and listening to everybody
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else's that there was a very strong
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consensus opinion
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yeah i feel i feel a little bit more
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more nervous going into this podcast
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having not looked out into the wider
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world and seeing what people think of
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the movie because I feel like I have
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much stronger opinions in particular
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ways for this one really i'm a little
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actually feeling a little bit like I
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don't know how my reactions to what are
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going to match up with the wider world
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reactions on the barbecue area to see if
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it repeats that shouldn't matter grey I
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shouldn't matter you should be fiercely
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youyou strong independent minded cgpgrey
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why you nervous about how your opinion
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compares with us I don't know I guess I
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guess nervous isn't exactly the right
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word but it's just i'm looking at like a
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big page of notes and i have a bunch of
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strong opinions and it's just
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interesting to see like I'm gonna get a
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ton of feedback from people saying that
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I'm totally wrong or is or is it going
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to be just like oh yes you have you have
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the same thoughts as everybody else like
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last year I don't know it's just kind of
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a funny thing to to be going into this
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with i think that that kind of like I
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have no idea what anybody else thought
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about it i literally just saw it it came
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out of the theater like a couple hours
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ago from my notes viewing of the movie
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and so now we are we are walking into
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the recording i have 22 tiny little
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bullet points that I made on my iphone
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during the film so they're roughly in
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order are basically because I made them
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as the film went on and I made them on a
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checklist app that i never i don't use
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for anything other than the podcast i
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have 22 things to say
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maybe but I imagine it's going to be a
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lot of duplication and also i mentioned
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some of them are either going to be so
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badly tight or I'm not gonna remember
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what they made because i haven't read it
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back yet so let's see how we go alright
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let's see how we go where do we start
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well I guess I guess
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don't we have to do the thing that you
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always want to do which is brady you
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have to you have to give your your
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overall opinion and feeling of the movie
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yeah I don't think that we need to do
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this but I feel like isn't that what we
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always have to do this feels like the
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Brady rule for discussing movies it is
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kind of a tradition and I do think it's
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useful but i was thinking of doing it
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your way for once in giving your one-off
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but but I i think it does help and maybe
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it is a tradition
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hmm ok so it's funny that you wanted to
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do with the reverse way because you
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finally prepared for know is it's not
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that I was prepared for it it's not that
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I was prepared for it because i think
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most of the time my way is better
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hmm i but but that's you know that's
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going to be the title of your
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autobiography my way is better at the
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cgpgrey story but this one time I feel
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like I can't walk through the movie and
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talk about it without having the overall
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framework in place I feel like that
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conversation would almost be a a silly
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pointless conversation so i think i'm
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going to press very hard with we should
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give our opinions at the beginning
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because I don't know how to talk about
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this otherwise i love it I love it
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alright and so Brady I want to know what
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is your high-level take away from rogue
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one how do you feel about it i thought i
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was gonna love it
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Lou and I feel surprisingly indifferent
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about it who I thought I just sort of
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it was it was just like a good movie it
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was a good movie it was well done
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I there were lots of things I liked
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about it it was well-executed I'd be
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very proud of myself if I'd made it ok
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but it was just like for various reasons
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that will touch on it didn't like
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grabbed me it didn't it didn't it it
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roused very little emotion in me and the
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way that even a force the force awakens
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did that mean i'm back i got very
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emotional about that film but this was
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just kind of I just sort of felt like
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watching it was little bit of a chore
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who and it was nice
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there are lots of there are lots of good
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things and you know I couldn't possibly
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give it a thumbs down because it's a
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good film but I just
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but i'm not gonna give it like a big
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thumbs up I mean I a good test was are
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sore on my own little my wife doesn't
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mind style was movies and she was a bit
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jealous that I was going to get together
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and say it without her cause she was at
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work and I said to her and this is what
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happened with force awakens to i watch
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that with her as well because of the
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same reason but I
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tresor I said we've got to see it and
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the next night we went to work together
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when she came home from work with this
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one and she said so what was rode one
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like you know am I gonna go on say it
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with you my answer was I think you can
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hmm I wouldn't rush out to see it this
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is gonna be like a you watch it on
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Netflix sometime kind of movie
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yeah yeah so so it could have been far
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worse you know we all we all know we all
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know what happens when a star wars movie
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goes wrong the radio we all know how bad
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it could be and that and that definitely
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didn't happen right but my overall
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feeling is some good stuff some very
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good stuff actually few things I can't
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wait to talk about some things that I
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thought mr. mark was an important things
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I think miss the mark who
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but solid if they make one of these
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every second year i'll go watch em and i
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think that i don't think they could I do
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think it sort of you just dragging down
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Style Wars a whole little bit for my
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liking but that's just me being me who
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and being an old grump better if they
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have to if they have to make them and
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they keep making them at this level
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I'm okay with that interesting
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interesting Brady mm so that feels like
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a at an overall like it
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tepid enjoyment is that is that what I'm
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getting from you that's not unfair it's
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like it's not a big vertical thumbs up
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it's not a thumbs down right it's kind
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of a thumb pointing at about eight or
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ten o'clock on the clock because you're
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turning this binary scale into actually
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a rotational scale right that's what's
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yeah i'm using your thumbs up thumbs
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down in my way right and i'm just
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picturing all the teams at home right
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now holding up their family pointing at
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about ten o'clock yeah okay I see what
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he means if you're doing it i can see
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you there you go
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did you do it I didn't do it reading now
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and why would I be doing your thumbs up
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and 45 or at ten o'clock i don't
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understand why would be doing that where
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does your thumb point on this great give
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me your big picture
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ok so big picture
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I have to say that what i really liked
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and what I kept feeling throughout the
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movie was I enjoy this universe and I
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really enjoy this star wars universe and
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unlike the really terrible movies I felt
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like rode one is a movie that is so
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clearly in the star wars universe as it
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is in my head all of the sets look great
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all of the costume design looks great
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all of the physical items and props and
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like everything that they're doing it
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just looks Star Wars it feels Star Wars
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it sounds like Star Wars and I'm sitting
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there in the theater thinking where I
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really just I love this universe like
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this universe is burned into my brain
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but I i have to say i thought this movie
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was just like a disaster as mess I i'm
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I have to say I really really it's not
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that I didn't like it is not like oh
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what a terrible movie it but it's just
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this word is the word that keeps coming
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into my mind like it's a sloppy mess
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there's just as much as like oh I want
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to see a bunch of Star Wars stuff and
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that is that is like great
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it also felt like there's just Star Wars
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junk all over the place where where's
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ipping all over the universe were going
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to all of these different locations
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I understand what's happening but
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there's just too much going on there
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isn't like a clear story line heading
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heading through it and it just it's a
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mess like I think that that's that's my
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my like blurb on the movie poster like
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Star Wars road one it's a mess like
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that's that's how it feels to be
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watching it and so I feel like I saw the
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movie last night for the first time and
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I always like to just watch a movie and
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have let it wash over me and then I saw
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it this morning to take some notes on
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some particular things and and to pay
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attention to some of the scenes that I
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was thinking about from last night and I
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just feel totally reconfirmed in my my
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takeaway like it's just it's just a mess
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it feels like i don't know maybe that
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maybe the scriptures was rushed or I
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don't know what it is but it just it
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doesn't hold together for me as
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as a movie and on my first watching I
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felt completely totally uninvolved
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emotionally throughout ninety-five
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percent of the entire running of the
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film that is its biggest downfall from
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80 for the lack of emotional engagement
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and any level of care about the
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characters even I can't disagree with
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you about it being a mess gray and
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there's no better way than to realize
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what a mess it is then to read the plot
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summary on wikipedia and you just get
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like I tried to read it three or four
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times and it's just like the fact that
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give it every one such ridiculous names
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no but yeah you've got things like Jean
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and/or and his reprogram Imperial Droid
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k 2 s.o travel to Jenna where the
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Empire's mining Kyber crystals to power
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the superweapon Herrera and his
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partisans are engaged in armed
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insurgency against them with the aid of
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a blind warrior cheer up in we and
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mercenary Bay's Melba's gin makes
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contact with kanima what are what
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yeah it and they go to more places than
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they needed to have this feeling about
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movies that you can know what a movie is
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like very fast right within the first
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two scenes of the movie lots of movies
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will have an establishing pre something
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happening scene and so in Star Wars
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grove won its it's the opening scene
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about the Empire's coming to find their
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scientists who is hiding out in Iceland
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being a farmer which i think is a
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terrible place to be a farmer
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there's like this little contain story
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and like that's good like that's fine
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that feels like this is the start of the
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movie but immediately after that and I
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was just curious like I was making out a
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little time running because I just
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wanted to see like how did my initial
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impressions matchup with the reality of
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what the what the movie is and it's like
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okay the first eight minutes are great i
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think it's like this is a nice opening
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for Star Wars movie it's it's clear
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what's happening
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the Empire is coming to take a guy who
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doesn't want to go to build a weapon got
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it right we're all were all fine we're
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all on board and then I timed it in the
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next five minutes we go to five
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different planets and are introduced to
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something like eight characters
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and and that to me was watching the
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movie for the first time I felt like oh
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no we're in a little bit of trouble here
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like I'm we're at the third planet that
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has a little overlay on the bottom of
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what the name of the place is and what
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it is and it's like I'm following you
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movie but i'm having a hard time
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focusing on what is the thing that I'm
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supposed to care about like like this is
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the thing that i find fascinating about
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movies why in some movies do they
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now when i was walking to the cinema
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isn't it kind of crept up on me having
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to say this film so I didn't have time
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to know how I felt about it but when i
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local cinema I suddenly got a little
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excited moment when I thought I can't
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wait for that moment when I'm going to
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be sitting in the cinema and the fanfare
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going to have that feeling right and
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then it but he didn't happen
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they don't do it don't do it in these in
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between films that turns out we're not
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going to have the rousing star wars on
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the screen and the john williams music
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we still get a long time ago in a galaxy
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far far away but then it just kind of
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here comes here comes not know i think
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in the long run that's probably a good
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movies they don't want to get tied down
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into having to do that exact same
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fanfare every time
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yeah because that there is there is much
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we might discuss later that i would hope
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they might do in the star wars universe
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and I think that fanfare might not be
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appropriate for absolutely everything
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but I i agree with you i found it really
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jarring and and suddenly it seemed like
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everything was wrong in my head with
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user with an opening thing I even
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like this is I'm a braced for a thing
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and it's no good
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it's started by disappointing me I even
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here's my note written before the film
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started i'm excited about the fan filled
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with that feeling of excitement ever go
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well I went away pretty quick because it
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didn't happen style or I was a pretty
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cool start like you said in little
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Icelandic a place
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no although I have to say even here
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there was one little note that struck me
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as a little bit wrong and confusing and
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there's a bunch of points in the movie
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that I think are like this where the
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stormtroopers come in right there
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they're looking for their scientists
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they're searching for his daughter and
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that they're searching around the house
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and one of the stormtroopers bends down
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and picks up a little storm trooper Dahl
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which is evidence of the fact that the
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girl was there and I remember thinking
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like why would a fugitive from running
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from the Empire give his daughter a
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storm trooper Dahl to play with it was a
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little thing that set off like a flag in
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my mind like if this is this is going to
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come back up later or is this just a
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weird i don't know if i want to call it
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a mistake but it's just a strange thing
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it you know it's like I cannot imagine
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someone who has been like persecuted by
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a government giving their child a toy to
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play with that represents that
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government like that's that seems like a
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really weird really weird note to land
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on it was strange
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it was strange whether or not that's the
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star wars universe equivalent of toy
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soldiers and stuff i don't know but it
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suny by the felt like something was
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gonna come over or felt like like the
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worst toy placement in the history of
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thai place isn't it great
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also in that early saying they had the
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blue milk obviously was will appeared
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and like I had a little smile to myself
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and thought I'm not gonna mind a little
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bit of fanservice that's okay
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little did I know how much more
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fanservice was about to be shoved down
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my throat in the next half an hour to an
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hour yet to the point where I was
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yeah please no more blue milk and sake
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yes I i agree and end it also when we
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were watching it's like I recognize you
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blue milk but I'm concerned how central
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you were in the shot
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yeah right like it's not like oh there
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was blue milk on the counter in the
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background there was blue milk literally
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obstructing the actress makes shopping
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what she was doing for a second
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like do you see the blue milk there is
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blue milk in front of her we want to
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make sure that you don't miss it
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yeah and and yes i agree as well like
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it's a it's an indication of what is
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going to come and we can discuss the
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fanservice but that is an ad one minute
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and 37 seconds into the film so it
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begins with the blue milk
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yeah they're so we had a we had a
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starting sequence and and then we had
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the different the different music for
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the title mhm so it sounded almost like
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it sounded like they couldn't get the
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rights to the style of music so they had
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some amateur write something that sounds
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star wars ii mhm and but it it jarred
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like it charge of me it was like I know
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they I know they're trying to give these
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things their own distinctive brand and
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say this is different from the who you
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know the classic important trilogies but
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it was it was almost overbearing and
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it's different guess who
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which was a little bit of a worry but
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anyway we cracked on and so the film
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began landing and the next thing I wrote
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something you've already touched on i
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wrote gosh there are a lot of different
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places here and the text on the screen
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identifying the places you know the
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little text that came up and gave us the
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name of the planet and even explain what
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the planet was who was something I had
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very mixed feelings about why mixed
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my initial feeling is this is wrong
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this is not what happens in a Star Wars
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movie and it's funny I think I've got
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I've got a bit of a double standard here
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and I'm aware of it because i'm quite
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happy to have captions when people are
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speaking alien languages and I'm also
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quite happy to have the role start the
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crawl at the start of a star wars film
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but those two things feel like I don't
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know they feel like a special exception
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but one of the things i like about the
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Styles universities it's like it's not
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there's no english language other than
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the fact everyone speaking English right
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there's no english language in texts
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breaking the rules of Star Wars by using
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English and I was still a caption on the
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screen it wasn't like a big street sign
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that said welcome to hearth but it still
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felt slightly like it was breaking the
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rules but I have mixed feelings about it
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because I also thought it did serve a
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purpose and one of the real criticisms
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of the force awakens for me as well but
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sometimes I didn't know where I was and
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what was going on and why this place was
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important and the text did take away
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that problem straightaway
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I straightaway you the context ok this
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is you know this is an imperial planet
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this is a this is what's going on here
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this is why they're here so like it did
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serve a purpose and it saved them a lot
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of potentially clumsy exposition who but
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it kind of felt like cheating and it
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kind of felt like this isn't what you do
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in the Style Wars film
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overall I don't know up when I came out
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of the film i thought it was wrong and I
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shouldn't have done that I've mellowed a
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bit now and I'm on the fence about
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whether it was a good or a bad thing
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whoo-hoo ya see that text struck me as
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immediately wrong for the same for the
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mmm i thought like this is this feels so
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unstar Wars to me it it feels really out
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of place and it's interesting i couldn't
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have ended down the same way you do you
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just about the lack of the English
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language and in the films and maybe
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that's why it feels like it's a bit off
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somehow but I don't like it because i
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think almost always when this happens
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it's a it's a weakness of the writing of
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the movie and if they give you have to
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lean on the on-screen here's where we
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are here is what this thing is I feel
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like almost always there's a better
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way to do that yeah it mean it means
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like your locations aren't distinct
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enough or your character motivations
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aren't clear enough and i think this
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movie is a perfect example of that
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can we go to five different planets in
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five minutes with a whole bunch of
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characters you couldn't think they have
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to show you on the screen here is the
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name of a place and here's here's what
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it is ok next here's another place we're
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going to go and here's what it is ok
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next and I I just think it's like yes
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you have to do that because you're
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introducing so much but maybe you don't
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have to like maybe if you write this in
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a better way we don't have to visit all
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of the places in the universe right at
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yeah I don't know if it feels like one
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of those movies where it where they're
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like it's a political thriller right
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then and the show you like a skyline
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shot of Moscow hour and it says like
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Moscow on the bottom ya know you're
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almost waiting for like a little sound
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effect that they always use when the
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letters rollout yeah it just felt really
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it just felt really wrong
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I didn't like it and i think
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particularly in this movie it's like it
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was there was so much of it that because
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that is what this entire movie is like a
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eighty percent of which they could
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probably do without but for some reason
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they're going to include absolutely all
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of them but if they didn't use it
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without changing the script already know
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doing major surgery on the actual story
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about how confused we were about what
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the hell was going on where everything
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was so if they were going to stick with
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their script then I think the text was a
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nun for unfortunately the correct
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decision i completely agree right if if
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I was like the visual effects editor on
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here and they just hand me the movie
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it's like I am putting words on these
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screens like we have to do this because
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otherwise it is way worse otherwise it's
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more confusing but I feel like those
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words are a symptom of a more
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fundamental problem that that's that's
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what they're showing you there
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yeah of course let's not forget Star
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huge lot load of texts at the start to
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save himself a whole lot of storytelling
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before we get too carried away about the
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old Star Wars films about how clever
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favor of the book before the film
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started to bring you up to speed
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yes I let it that is the case but I also
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like I think with almost all of the
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original three movies you can blow past
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that script and it doesn't really matter
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tree like the first Star Wars like blah
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blah blah some words words words like I
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don't have any idea what the crawl say
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yeah but who cares because we open with
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a big mean-looking ship chasing a small
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ship and a guy in a black evil-looking
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suit hunting down a princess like got it
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right like I understand what's going on
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and doesn't matter what those words said
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yeah so what have you got next I've got
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lots of little bitty things here I don't
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want to get too busy but we don't want
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to get too busy and have to go through
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all of all of the plot points yeah
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butBut I think again like the reason why
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i want to lay out my my initial thoughts
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of this is I as I feel like in the first
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20 minutes of the film you just have all
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of these problems resurfacing in in
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various ways and upset so after our
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opening scene we met we now have a scene
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with the main character guy who were
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going to be following most of the time
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talking to a rando who's about to die in
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this one little like interaction between
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the two of them right there talking
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about Jenna they're talking about Kyber
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crystals they're talking about looking
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for Saul right they mentioned somebody
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else's name which I couldn't even write
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down fast enough in the theater when I
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was waiting for the scene to make a note
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of it to talk about like Ursula or like
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some other person and there's one more
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thing and it's like okay there's two
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characters we don't know you dropped
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five totally new names
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yeah in in this little minute
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interaction between the two of them and
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it's again it's like I can follow this
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but it's too much and and I don't know
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what to pay attention to and then one of
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these two characters dies immediately
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and and our main our main guy kind of
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runs off and then boom next scene right
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we're on to the next place while you
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brush past something that is quite
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significant in the film from a because
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this main character is this i think this
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is and/or is that the car had everyone's
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names kind of lost me I think he's cold
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hand or that the main guy the main that
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this is actually though I think it quite
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vital point which is my wife and I after
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we were discussing the movies seeing it
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last night we were both aware i can to
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be with my wife like the movie a lot
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did but neither of us could remember a
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single characters name
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yeah it's true that we didn't already
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know from somewhere else and so we kept
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having these conversations about like oh
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the guy which guide the ninja guy
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no not the ninja guy the friend of the
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ninja guy owe him the muscle right it's
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think it's a side effect again like i
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have watched a movie for two hours in
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between two people we can't pull a
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single name out of our memory i think
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that's again an indication of what's
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going on with this main guy and or who
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becomes like a main in here the film you
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talk about him in this other guy having
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a chat and then everything kicks off but
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significantly he shoots the other guy if
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you remember like they're about to get
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caught by the stormtroopers and this guy
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is going to be baggage because he's
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injured and can't run away and and/or
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realizes realizes this situation so he
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just puts a gun to his back basically
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and shoots him he kills him there on the
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spot and I think we're supposed to be
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shocked by this and realize that he's
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this ruthless killer that would do
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anything and then he has this redemption
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story through the film and becomes the
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guy we like me but I never forgave him
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for that like like even though he
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becomes a good guy and says I've done
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some bad stuff in my time but now I but
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now I'm you know now I'm a good guy
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I I never forgot that he shot that
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behind the back and what he did to him
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and even even later on when he like you
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know does a few nice things and realizes
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the error of his ways it never left my
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head that he'd done that mean i think
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maybe they should do should have been
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quite so bad because you know it's not
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like i was shocked or you know I'm boom
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I'm like a sensitive person who like
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comes courtesy feeling yeah clutching
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your pearls that there is death on
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screen but it made me it made me
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incapable of ever sympathizing with him
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after seeing him do that the start to
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someone shoot someone in the back like
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that and kind of for some reason I was
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not a big deal is coming out like it's a
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big deal to me it wasn't but it was
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significant to me and like his
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Redemption he was never redeemed for me
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hmm i can totally agree with this and
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and the thing is I I don't necessarily
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think that little scene is a big deal
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and then also the movie blows past it so
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fast i think it's it's easy to miss
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because the first time i watched it was
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unclear to me how the shooting happened
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and then the second time it was more
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just like I just blinked at the wrong
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moment right any menu menu miss it just
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a little bit but i think it does matter
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because this is all rolled up into i
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think it's it's emblematic of another
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problem with the film which i think the
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movie is doing on purpose but they just
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do poorly which is I file under the
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category the rebels are dicks right
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there's like there's like a bunch of
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stuff where the rebels are being kind of
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dicks or things that just don't really
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work and that I think make the rebels
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unsympathetic in a whole bunch of ways
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that causes structural problems with the
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film and that that little that shooting
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in the beginning I think would be fine
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on its own but it's it's connected to a
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bunch of other stuff that then just
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doesn't work for me later in the movie
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this whole part of the film set on Jetta
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or the town the city of Jeddah might
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have to say was one of the week of parts
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of the film for me it felt terribly
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unnecessary actually other than that
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help to scoop up some of the characters
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who were going to follow us for the rest
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of the film like ninja guy and muscle
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guy and stuff but the whole thing with
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forest whitaker's character who sort of
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that the head of the rebels seem very
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unnecessary to the film it added nothing
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it seems like an unnecessary character
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and unnecessary diversion but also this
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whole part of the film is the part where
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the fanservice felt made on too thick
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and I almost felt like I was being
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patronized a bit like when the when the
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bad guys from the mosque ii campaign and
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make a sudden cameo oh my god like that
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was really that was unnecessary
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yeah that was that was so terrible and I
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hate this kind of stuff because it's
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like it makes the universe feels small
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yes the universe universe feels so small
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and so tiny and it also it's strange
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could credulity that she's going to bump
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into the two guys who show up in in a
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but also because of the way the movie
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carries on it means not only did she
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bumped into these guys on this planet
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but they they also left the planet very
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shortly like within 30 minutes right
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they get out of there just entire and
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where did they go within the span of a
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couple of days is they go to some
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backwater planet where Lucas it's like
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it's too much right the time frame is
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just too much it's ridiculous that she
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bumps into these guys there it's it's
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pointless pointless fanservice yeah and
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that how that house saying with the
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bustling crowds and that they cram too
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much of that in and I was thinking come
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on guys la is ok i'm on board I
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understand star wars and and the other
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little by little things nice but you
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don't need to go that hard
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mm which is funny because the fan
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service that comes later the biggest fan
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mm that's works because that's what this
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so some of the huge stuff I loved and I
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felt really excited about some of the
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links to New Hope felt wonderful and and
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really good i was really pleased towards
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the end of the film there's some great
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stuff but this early stuff they they
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went to her they went too hard too early
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you know that they make it they had
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their fanservice coming they didn't need
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to go this hard this early mhm they
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could have shown more restraint
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yeah the this so this whole sequence
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where they're on this this desert planet
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jetta or whatever that this is one of
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these things i wanted to see again like
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how was my memory of it versus the
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actual thing I felt so strongly that
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this this whole sequence was unnecessary
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and it seemed just like it like a
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pointless diversion that we're going to
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go to this planet to find a guy who's
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going to help us find the guy that we're
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actually looking for ya and I was
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mentally thinking like you could
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probably cut that and just have the
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movie go on but what I didn't realize is
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that sequence is really long
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right like i was thinking this this is
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like 20 minutes but that whole sequence
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takes us to more than halfway through
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the movie right like it is it is so long
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that it it's not like when we discussed
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the force awakens and we both agree that
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the weakest part is when they leave the
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planets and their with han Solo and
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they're going to fight some giant roller
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ball squid monsters on the ship right
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it's like why is this happening and you
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can you can easily imagine a version of
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the force awakens where fan does a
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supercut and they were able to get ready
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most of that and then you don't even
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notice in the movie I'm realizing if
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they cut out what i thought was a
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pointless diversion you lose like 45
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minutes of this movie where they're down
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there on on Jetta doing this thing that
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I think is totally pointless it's a huge
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sequence and it's also like it's so it's
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so convoluted because you blew past what
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to me is sets up like a fundamental
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problem in the whole movie which is
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before we even get down to jetta the the
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rebels are dicks thing is we we show the
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rebels capturing the main girl who's the
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Djinn I think your gentleman like even
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knows where the characters are
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pronouncing her name differently the
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rebels kidnap her from some sort of
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labor camp it's like it's like a rescue
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but it feels a lot like a kidnap because
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the rebels are then taking her back to
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the rebel base and forcing her to do
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with thing that she doesn't want to
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write they just straight-up saying like
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I will hand you back to the Empire
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unless you unless you do what we want
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it's like okay you don't seem like great
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people right now you know she's she's
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just passed from one prison to
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essentially another prison
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yeah and and like okay the great rebels
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you like I would like you a lot more if
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you have a sequence where you were
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rescuing her from a horrible situation
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and she wants to help you because of
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what you've done but it's very different
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if you're just straight up kidnapping
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so here is the actual sequence because i
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had to write it down this is the plan as
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explained by the rebels they want to
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take her to jetta to find Saul Guerrera
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yeah as far as America yeah who has the
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pilot and the pilot will take them to
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her father and they're going to take her
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father to the Senate for testimony like
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you've got to be kidding me like we
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don't need it and and this is like
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everything in the movie is like this
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like guys do a second pass on this
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script just have the daughter know where
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the father is right just have that you
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can just have her no and the rebels
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rescue her and she wants to help but we
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don't need this and it's like so many
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unnecessary characters but like okay
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we're not even trying to find a guy who
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knows where the guy we're looking for is
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we're trying to find a guy who has a guy
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who knows where the guy we're moving and
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on top of that I almost lost my god damn
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mind because when they get down to the
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planet they blow past it so quickly but
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but the food cassie is and/or he has a
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little line to her he's like oh he I
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know and he mentioned some other name
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like this bounty hunter dude who's
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working for salt Guerrera like oh I'm
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going to find this person who's going to
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bring us to Saul Guerrero who has the
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pilot right I can't
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why like why do you need all of these
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steps it's just it's like I can follow
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it it's just it's just a straight line
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but it's it's crazy making that you need
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all of these steps toys gray toys you
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need more styles figures I i guess but
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it's like you have this ridiculous
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convoluted path for a sequence of which
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the entirety of it as unnecessary and
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complex and is it just like I was so
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uninvolved for the this first hour of
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the movie I'm like yeah I don't care
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about any of these people
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this is like Saul Guerrero like in my
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mind his is the only character i can
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vaguely remember because my brain kept
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changing his name to like Che Guevara
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every time people were saying and I'm
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like okay we're looking for a che
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guevara and it's like okay there's this
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dude is he crazy like he's a terrorist
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so should I care about him but he raised
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our main character but now he seems like
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he's also he's also a monster
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she's being forced into this by rebels
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who are being dicks who by the way are
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just going to assassinate her father
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anyway likes what she doesn't even know
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so it's like there's just nobody to root
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for there's this really convoluted thing
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and this is this to me is like the heart
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of it right here is like complicated
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mess you could just sweep away and
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replace with a simpler better movie whoa
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also just one more thing can make the
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rebels even less likable if that was
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possible is they also make them really
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like bureaucratic and I have lots of
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meetings and they can never agree on
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anything and they sit around and
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committees all the time it's like the
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one thing you like about the rebels is
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there like a starfish let's just get the
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guns out and blow that they have
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right but now that now they're like
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their own little mini-set having
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meetings and disagreements and like cut
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their crippled by inactivity it's like
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out like this is the reason rebels form
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is to get away from the bureaucracy
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right but like offers starting with the
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ok what's with all the politics to did
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George like a snake back into the
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writing room for that part yeah it was
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the hat i totally agree that there's
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things that they're like oh we can't get
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everybody to agree like you're the
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rebels like it should be clear that the
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app the other problem was all this was
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swirling around our main character gin
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and we should talk about her at some
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point because she was completely I
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didn't like I was not very engaged with
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her at all like I didn't know I never
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really i never really sort of like tor
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understood her story or her
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transformation didn't do much for me
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either and she was kind of I mean a lot
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of our read a lot of people saying you
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know she carried the film apparently and
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she was good not you know she's a good
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actress she did a good job but the
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character wasn't very well developed and
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from the start i didn't really feel much
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for and then when she changed i didn't
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feel much and so all of this stuff's all
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of these weird people who are unlockable
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for various reasons swirling around Gen
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and Gen I didn't really care about
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I didn't find an unlikable like some
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other characters but she was just a bit
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she was just there as well really how
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long for the ride
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yeah i totally agree that this movie she
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has to be really likable you have to be
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yeah right and i found myself at one
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point like it that there were three
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little moments in the movie where I kind
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of had to laugh but it's but at some
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point of the movie when I was just
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mildly distracted and watching it and
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wants to have will start to like giggle
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because I kept having this thought of
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like well she was in prison like maybe I
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want to hear the Empire story about why
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these girls in prison because we've just
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made it really clear that she's been
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working with his terrorist organization
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that even the rebels don't like so like
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maybe she's done some really terrible
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stuff you know and it's like when you
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find your mind wandering like I want to
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know what the Empire thinks about this
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girl maybe they have a point it's like I
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think you have not achieved what you
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want movie which is that I should really
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be rooting for this girl
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supposed to wondering like there might
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be more to her story then we're hearing
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here yeah well let's let's let's let's
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let's go back to the transcript for
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what was going on
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whereas in that force awakens Daisy
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Ridley character the lead there
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yeah like you're just completely
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enchanted by and like you are you coming
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out of that film feeling good about her
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like she's just you just go so I was
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just so taken with her her character and
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her story and this one like you know at
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the end she's on the beach then I'm
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thinking well yeah exactly thanks thanks
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for helping out with the plans and but
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you were a fantastic tool thank you very
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moving right along yeah I i agree Daisy
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Ridley was obviously amazing in in force
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awakens this girl I have to say I think
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she was a good actress
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yeah definitely definitely better than
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some of the other people i'm going to
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complain about later
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yeah but the character itself as written
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I I felt just again uninvolved with like
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okay maybe you're a criminal and you're
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being blackmailed into doing a thing and
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I don't really care about you like the
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end two more things on the desert planet
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and the town of jetta one is we saw much
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more agile stormtroopers in some of
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those fights anes and I quite liked it i
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quite like saying stormtroopers being a
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little bit more capable steel cannon
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fodder yeah but they seem to have like
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special ops stormtroopers ya like like
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the guys in black was like oh no now
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we're trying to be serious
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yeah so so I that was about that but one
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thing I do not approve of me is seeing a
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Star Destroyer down at Planet level who
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that's that seems wrong to me and also
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it seems like it should be like not
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technically feasible like they should be
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built in space and one of the joys of
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seeing the crash star destroyer in the
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force awakens on the planet
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it creates that feeling that the worst
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possible thing that could happen to a
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star destroyers of falls down onto a
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planet because let you know that that's
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where they crash and die and it just
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seems it seems wrong to me and it feel
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it felt like it demeans the awesomeness
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of stardestroyers to see them down at
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Planet level that makes them seem a
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little bit more jokey and also makes
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them seem less awesome that they can
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just come down and do that so I didn't
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like that I didn't like it it's an
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excellent point it didn't it didn't
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cross my mind until
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they were there are many things in the
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movie we're feeling like there's
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something wrong with this and I can't
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quite figure out what and the Star
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Destroyer when it was just hovering over
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the city and I thought it just didn't
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cross my mind is like okay it's fine but
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the shot where they show it flying away
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both times i kept thinking like
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something's wrong about this and I don't
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know what it is and and I i agree with
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you like you're right that it feels like
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the Star Destroyers should be in real
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trouble if they're ever in the
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yeah and and this this strikes the wrong
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note by having it so close to the pair's
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planet's surface knowing that Star
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Destroyers can come down to a planet is
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like when you realize that r2 d2 can fly
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right yeah it's like no no I don't want
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that to be possible
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yeah and it's like there are many
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situations in the other movies where
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this would be quite useful to do right
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like it so much I was the flight with
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the entire I think I'd be having more
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star destroyers and ground level I think
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this would solve a lot of problems yes
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send them had a heart instead of those
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slow walkers dropping them a hundred
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miles away from the base and having them
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slowly trudged to the bites
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yeah like we just landed Star Destroyer
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we don't we don't even have to fight
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just literally landed on the ground and
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crush the big three they mean they must
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have one to spare right just knock it
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out of the sky a saying that happens
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around this time up in space somewhere
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is when we first say Grand Moff Tarkin
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for the first time that first scene
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where you see him with you know looking
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like peter cushing the actor who played
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him in the original film my goodness
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that was breathtaking how much you look
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like him and they knew it too when they
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made it because they some account of
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what they did but they either did
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something with the sound of the camera
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work when we first see his face
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I was like I almost gasped was so Bo
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done see now I thought it was google
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'ish I i have to say when when I heard
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Grand Moff Tarkin voice I like wow they
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have nailed the voice of this person
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yeah right but when they do the reveal
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it looks it just all i kept thinking of
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is this is the best video game animation
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i have ever seen
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all I'm gonna say is like I could not
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accept the reality of him in every scene
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now again like this is an interesting
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thing because I didn't know he was going
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to be in the movie and
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I mean the key to me he obviously looks
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like just a cgi face right over over the
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actual actor and it's like they did a
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really good job with that like I'm not
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going to deny it's an incredible job but
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i think they didn't do as good of a job
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as the movie feels like it is the movie
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acts like this is totally seamless and
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no one will ever notice and I felt like
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man if you're going to do this like you
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have a great render but but don't have
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like a full front up shot of him it was
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just it to me it was really unconvincing
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and I hated every scene with him maybe I
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need to say again because I thought that
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one works so well that I almost thought
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they did they find someone that just
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looks like that like a kind of fun and I
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maybe I wasn't paying enough attention
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but for male form a gram of talk and
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work obviously me princess leiden will
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come to that later but yeah but the but
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the talk of one did work for me and I
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was like I thought that was really good
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anyway yeah but i think this this is
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just a question of light of how
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sensitive you are to the stuff and i
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feel like because I've seen a lot of
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video games things like he just he just
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kept reading to me as a videogame render
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character i just want to say with with
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target though this this is again you
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talk about like the the star wars fan
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service and and talking to me is a good
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example along with Darth Vader who will
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get to later of your putting all of this
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stuff in this movie because we know it
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from the other Star Wars movies but I
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just kept feeling like do we have to
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have targeting here like his is his
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character in this movie
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absolutely necessary and and i don't i
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like I think you could again do a
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version of this movie where you have the
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kind of sniveling power climbing
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subordinate under Tarkin be the entire
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roll like I don't think you need the
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conflict between these two guys
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I don't think he needs to be there
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except that it feels like they really
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want to keep tying this movie to the
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other movies and so that's why targets
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here right that's why not like mothers
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here like that's why a whole bunch of
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other people are here and I'd and I just
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kept feeling like they're unnecessary
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write these people don't need to be here
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I didn't feel that way about talk and I
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thought I thought for the rogue one to
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work it did have to have several
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connections with new hope like I had to
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have there had to be a few threads and
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cables connecting otherwise it would
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feel like it was just stuck in there
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like filler between a couple of bricks
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and not really seamless and I thought
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having a few different threads worked
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and I thought he liked the rivalry
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between him and then Mendelssohn's
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character wasn't particularly necessary
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or interesting you but having him there
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was good because because also made it
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all so suddenly made his death in New
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Hope same more significant because when
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you think about a new hope especially if
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you're a kid watching he's just a bit of
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a boring out man and like when he when
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he dies on the Death Star it's not like
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it's not like Darth Vader dying is that
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it's like it's just some old bureaucrat
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dying but now when you see what he's
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done before and his association with the
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deathstone all that but it doesn't view
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that with a bit more meaning and in a
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way that worked for me
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my likes I like seeing him in this film
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and maybe when i watch again the face
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will embarrass me a bit but kind of that
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kind of work for me and I liked it I
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liked it I liked having him in the film
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mmm hehe i thought he belonged in the
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film i thought a film about the birth of
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the Death Star and the undoing of the
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death star would have felt wrong without
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the guy we all know was like the boss of
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the death star so I'm quite happy was in
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the film ya again I'd I just think if
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you're going to have him in there it's
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the cgi didn't work well enough for me
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for him to be a major character
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yeah and I just I just kept feeling like
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it was ghoulish every time he was on
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screen and not in a good way
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one other saying that I thought was very
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that I like just because I like the look
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of a was lit the Death Star taking out
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gender & eclipsing the Sun as
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same time yeah that was good that was
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good ok i was showing off but it was
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thought that was just a lot of just a
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pretty piece of special-effects I
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thought that was a really nice little
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sequence yeah happy i will definitely go
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along with that I'll go along with that
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cool alright anymore jetta stuff or
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should we should we find our way off of
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general somehow we can get our way off
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of jetta but i just think it is it gets
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sometimes i get so many furious notes
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and Jenna it's just it's just it's
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because i kept being I kept being amazed
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at how long the sequence was like that i
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thought was cuttable and it's like
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there's so much stuff in here but again
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another thing that I felt is emblematic
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of the movie is that they have their
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this like this very brief scene with his
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mind slug right that che guevara is
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using on the pilot to find out what the
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yeah and it's like okay we've introduced
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this mind slug and it's to interrogate
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the pilot the pilot that Saul Guerrero
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doesn't trust for no apparent reason
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other than he's crazy and and it's like
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oh we're going to use this mind slug but
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it just you might lose your mind
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afterward and it's like oh it doesn't
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make him lose his mind he's like a
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little sleepy for an hour and we just go
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right on and he's like a totally normal
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guy for the rest of the movie and that's
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another thing that feels like why is
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this here that this scene you could
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literally cut and it would not affect
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anything that the mind slug thing never
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he's never actually lost his mind you
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don't do anything interesting with it
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like I kept thinking what i was
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expecting to happen is who maybe this
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pilot who has defected after this mind
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slug makes him lose his mind for gets
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that he's defected right in it and
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actually think that he's still part of
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the Empire and like has found himself in
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this crazy situation like that might be
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something interesting to do but nope
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it's like we've just introduced this
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mind slug and we're blowing right past
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it and it doesn't matter it doesn't
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affect the plot like we're just going to
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keep on going and there's just so many
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things like that it's like so much stuff
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it's not impossible in the mine slipcase
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there that something more did happen and
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got cut but they kind of films himself
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into a corner where they had to leave
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some of their instill that does
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occasionally happen in movies doesn't
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where they they take out a sequence
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but they're left with sort of baggage
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either side of a yeah I can't wriggle
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out of so i would i would love to know
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the behind-the-scenes thing but i have a
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feeling like the first cut of this movie
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was four hours long
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right like I know and I mean that quite
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literally and it's it's it's something
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that you actually like this you see in
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some of the behind-the-scenes stuff of
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the the first of the prequels where the
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the first cut was incredibly long and
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and they realize they had a hard time
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cutting it down to be movie like I just
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had the same kind of feeling with this
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like maybe there was a whole bunch of
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mind slug stuff and it's like I just
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just get rid of it like everything
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mostly because we have to we have to
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jettison so much stuff to get the sound
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to our running time like we filmed
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ourselves into a corner but so that mind
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slug is to me just another example of
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like thing brought up immediately
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dispatched with has absolutely no
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consequence but on Jenna we have we
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bring up with is then perhaps well by
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far and away my least favorite person in
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the whole film which is our blinds ninja
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dude yeah i love this character and this
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actor I could not believe how bad his
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line readings were like I could not
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believe how ridiculous his character was
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and it's like blind pointless ninja you
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don't need to be in this movie I cannot
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believe that you're here I cannot
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believe how you're delivering your lines
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you just you just awful I thought he was
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so bad so terrible
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hey smacks of probably being someone
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who's really famous in other markets and
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they and having him in the film was a
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really smart technical move from just
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finding out who he is
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yeah that might that might be now he's a
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Chinese actor martial artist film
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director producer of this was this was
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my guess was he has to be a real martial
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artist because his fighting scenes look
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I'm or haste or he's to help them break
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the chinese market
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yeah yeah that that's also a possibility
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but it i was paying attention during his
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stunt scenes like that really looks like
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it's you I think you're really doing
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this and this is why you're here
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yeah but-but-but I like a wrote on it
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but his like his introductory like when
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he walks across that the battlefield is
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like I am with the force and the force
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is with me and I fear nothing because
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the force wheels at times like that is
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the worst line delivery I've ever heard
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it's like awful and I thought there were
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a lot of really bad line deliveries in
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the force awakens it's like everything
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this guy said every time it's just I
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felt like he was sitting in
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lay a table reading for the movie it was
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just awful i can't believe you're
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keeping these line readings in and I
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think the whole purpose of his character
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it's like he does nothing that they
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couldn't just have K to the droid do
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instead he did bring the force into the
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film otherwise there would have been no
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force at all with that yeah he is
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obviously supposed to be like this sort
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of Jedi character but i also think it
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totally doesn't pay off and and it also
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like causes this conflict like I kept
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being aware of like okay so let me get
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there's like a class of priests who are
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defending the the resources that are
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used to make lightsabers for the jedis
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this is happening like three days before
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where Harrison Ford is talking about how
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like I've never heard of the Jedi have
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travel home with the universe and
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there's no such thing like but there's a
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big industrial base here related to Jedi
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industries like it's I feel like you
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should have just gotten him out of there
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and also his connection to the force had
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no payoff in amazingly when they had a
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scene where they could have had a
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perfect for Spain off with him on the
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beach trying to pull a switch it's like
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hey maybe the guy who's really into the
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force could use the Force to pull that
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I know you don't even have this payoff
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scene i did that's how he walked two and
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didn't get shot by the lies about
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because the forsook saved him from all
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the lights above okay okay okay listen
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okay we're jumping way to the end of the
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movie right but it's like I understand
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so he walks across this battlefield and
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it goes all the forces with me and I one
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with the forest and you're supposed to
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think like oh no the lasers hit him
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it's like okay I understand that's what
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you're trying to do but you undercut
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that immediately when after he does that
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his w pointless friend then runs out
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after him and sits up with him in the
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middle of this field of fire and also
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doesn't get hit by anybody yeah but
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that's what had been blown closer to him
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by that point I know it's literally
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sitting up he is his his muscle friend
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is a literal sitting duck right in the
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middle of a field of fire and it's like
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it's our is so infuriating so
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infuriating not cry i'm not i'm not
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saying their plot house and things that
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are not believable
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I'm just saying there was a force payoff
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he does use the Force to to do something
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important I think it was totally
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think it was totally undercut
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immediately yeah we've also got a movie
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like he's on he's only for slight he's
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not a projector I say yeah but he was
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just also cases like your character is
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unnecessary and it is doubly highlighted
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by me that you have like an unnecessary
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squared friend who's also following you
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around i was like what are you guys
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doing here what are you doing here for
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the love of God great i'm putting my
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foot down and taking us away from jetta
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because this was some this was supposed
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to be a short podcast and I cannot for
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the life haven't even talked about the
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terrorist scene right we haven't talked
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about it out and let's leave Jenna and
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we might come back to it later because
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what i really want to know is what you
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thought of Darth Vader's Mordor Batcave
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ben mendelsohn though the white-robed
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daddy finds his way to Martha's bat cave
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on Mount Doom because he wants to whinge
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about his job promotion and stuff like
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that you know is so whiny
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but anyway what did you think of the
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fact that darth vader like lives there
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again from my viewer totally unnecessary
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oh yes it's like you want Darth Vader in
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this movie if if you if you have to have
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Darth Vader in the movie i can live with
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the final scene but but this seems
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totally pointless to me and it's okay so
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the guys coming to complain that old
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grandma target is taking credit for my
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death star right it's like okay and
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you're going to win to like Darth Vader
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about this like is this is the best plan
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of action right like Oh Darth Vader he's
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such a sympathetic shoulder to cry upon
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right now it's like I to Steve Jobs to
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complain that your chair squeaking at
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your desk Apple i'm really tired of
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working on this ipod right like well I'm
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really tired of having you work for me
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it's such a confused scene because it's
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also like Vader has summoned him is it
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the whole scene is confusing i think it
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just it totally doesn't work and i was
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so aware that's like okay well you're
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like here we go here's Darth Vader he's
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on screen and he just has no presence on
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he almost I want someone to make a gif
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of it when the blu-ray comes out but I
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was several where that he's almost doing
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like a little sassy walk when he comes
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out at first like he's swaying a lot
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yeah I you can see the lights on his
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chest like swaying back and forth it's
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like he's doing a little catwalk thing
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it's interesting it's very interesting
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that before I want to talk about his
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homies planet in a second but the fact
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you make that point is interesting
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because i have a really vivid memory
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when they rereleased the first three
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films you remember they sort of they
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kind of jazz them up and redux them and
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of course of course not even short was
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when they added all the crap effects
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maybe it was then know there was like a
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remastered version that came up before
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yeah those are and i remember a whole
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bunch of my friends and I went to see it
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and a friend of mine who was a bit older
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than us but a few years who I remember
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him saying after the film what it was
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he used to be so intimidated by Darth
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Vader when he was a kid who and now he
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just looks at him as really camp and
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funny and he almost found himself
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laughing all the time when Darth Vader
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was on screen because he's such a
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ridiculous villain and I think that is
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one of the problems
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Darth Vader is starting to have our talk
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about his final scene in the film after
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which actually quite liked but he does
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have that problem of being he's so
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iconic now everyone knows what he looks
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like and everyone is just staring at all
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the time he must feel really awkward
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like how do I move how can I walk
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without like a piece so scrutinize as
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the ultimate villain that almost
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anything he does is gonna look
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ridiculous and like you said you were
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looking at him walking and thinking all
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his walk looks a bit sassy and you're
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looking at his body language and I
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thought the way he was holding his
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fingers when he was doing the choke on
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ben mendelsohn all wrong
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totally wrong oh look at rod yeah
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there's no how to fade should be holding
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his fingers like every single thing he
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does is say so it must be the most
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intimidating job in Hollywood putting on
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that soak because yeah it
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it totally it has to be it has to be
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don't you mentioned the fingers I i said
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to my wife afterward like in that scene
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i kept staring at his helmet and end but
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not just his helmet exactly where his
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helmet met his shoulders and I was like
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something is wrong about this
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I don't are yeah i agree yeah I don't
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know what it is that curved rubbery bit
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yeah yeah like it's something about it
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the neckline yeah his dart favorite
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does not match up with what i'm
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expecting was like is it CG is it just
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the wrong kind of plastic as like I
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cannot believe that this is the thing
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that I'm paying attention to in the
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scene and happy but I couldn't stop
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looking at the flange at the edge is up
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it didn't used to have some chain there
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that held his cape on or something but
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I'm i am i imagining that
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yeah that's that's what I was wondering
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like is the helmet over the Cape is it
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normally under the cape or is it but
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even even the texture of the plastic
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look wrong and it's like given given
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that we saw cgi target before I was I
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was actually wondering like is this
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whole helmet just cgi is that whatever
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right the string here I could believe it
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i believe that they're just like at the
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hell with it will fix it in post right
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and they just do a cgi Darth Vader
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right and and and they don't have
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anybody wants to hang their try i but i
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agree with you it's it's like Darth
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Vader almost has become a problem for
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on screen yeah i think this scene really
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didn't help that in a variety of ways
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because it just a bunch of stuff really
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clang wrong for me and i have to say i
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don't like i'll be very curious to know
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if you tuned into this but when the
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movie ended one of the things i wanted
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to see was who did the voice of darth
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vader yeah and it was James Earl Jones
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yeah and I think like I don't know what
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the hell happened but James Earl Jones
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can no longer do the darth vader voice
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correctly I didn't mind that I didn't
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muffled voice was like a guy i have to
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say that there was it was the sound of
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the voice was right but he had a weird
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like rhythm and III just like man this
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is just not this isn't working for me
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uh-huh the flange on your helmet is all
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wrong your walk was too sassy and now
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you're your enunciation of the words is
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just wrong and and so your finger death
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grip was wrong as well take your finger
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death grip is misplaced writing like
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that out that works i love that i spent
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200 million dollars on this film we're
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talking about that fight his helmet
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flange for like yeah but what this is
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but this is the kind of thing it's like
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how you have you know a bunch of
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obsessive nerds are going to watch this
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yeah and if you're going to have Darth
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Vader on-screen you have to get it right
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and i think they did get it right in his
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final scene but this but this scene was
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just it just didn't work for me in any
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way and I felt like it just undermine
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Darth Vader is a character and didn't
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have on-screen presence
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he's talking to a whiny subordinate he
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delivers like a doctor evil line where
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he's like try not to choke on your
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ambition that was terrible it's like
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he's giggling in his own suit as he's as
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he's delivering that line it's terrible
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it was awful but also i'm not
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comfortable with the fact he has this
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like clichéd temple on a lava planet to
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like I don't but that's not where Darth
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Vader lives for me he lives like in a in
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an ultra sterile room on a Star
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Destroyer surrounded by technology and
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and like he's not he's not he doesn't
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live in a rural environment
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he's an open guy now
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this is one of the few places where i
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felt a little bit uncomfortable and the
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reason I felt uncomfortable is it felt
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like the prequels were bleeding into
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this movie it was a nod to the prequels
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and you should not be nothing to that
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yeah it's like why is he on this is lava
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planets like he's this is the vader from
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the prequels is what it feels like who
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who lives on a comic book lava planet
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and says no yeah right and and it is
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just sitting in a like a bath of milk
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there were a few scenes in this movie
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where it's like this is happening
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because of the prequels and as we
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mentioned in in the the force awakens
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review there were a bunch of like very
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clear middle fingers to the prequels in
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that movie that you know from from my
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reading of it and it's like we're not
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getting that were in this movie like
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that's that's not what's happening this
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time and I think that's why it's like it
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diminishes darth vader and disney I mean
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Disney obviously those those prequels
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love them or hate them preferably hate
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disney has a massive steak in of course
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of course so you can see what you can
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see why occasionally they're going to
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want to give those a little boost and
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you know keep them alive so yeah I
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didn't like it but also just didn't
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think Darth Vader should live in such a
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clichéd place you know
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yeah it's just like okay that's why it
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just it felt very dr. evil to me like
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this this is this is a caricature of a
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villain not an actual villain so I could
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almost just completely pass on the visit
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to this rainy rocky planet where they go
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and have this have this where the dad
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dies this is where on second viewing I
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went out to get some popcorn here but
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the book but the problem is this is also
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the sequence where are two protagonists
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have their their transformations like
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you know the most important part of
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their of their art happens here
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our-our Stoneheart killer who's supposed
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to assassinate the dad changes his mind
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last minute and the reasons that are
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never explained to us other than he just
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didn't feel like it with that that's
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exactly how it read to me like that I
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don't feel like it today
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here I haven't got a clean shot and i
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won't bother ally and but that's his
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like that's his moment where he you know
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is we questioning everything about his
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existence and also our main
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character gin like who's never really
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cared about the rebellion and is happy
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to keep her head down and not get
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involved in politics not you know I know
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her dad dies and that suppose that's
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what changes her but I didn't really
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spend it feel I didn't feel her I didn't
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feel her suddenly getting this new steel
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and this new resolve to defeat the
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Empire and because there wasn't even the
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empire that killed her dad it was the
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rebels so it's kind of like it
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fair enough if like the Empire had like
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killed her dad in front of her that
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would make her think ok I've picked
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aside now right its kind of rip its kind
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of her own tape that killed her dad
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anyway with this business attack because
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they will bungled their messages and
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stuff so it's kind of like I don't
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understand why either character changed
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at this point really
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yeah it's yeah you don't understand
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because there's no good reason given
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it's like also kept thinking with this
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scene it also felt a little frequently
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and ridiculous to me because I kept like
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sure is convenient that you guys are
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having this meeting on an open platform
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in the rain while someone supposed to be
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sniper shooting you from the hills
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writes like a it's like you couldn't
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have a more torrential downpour and you
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could like this is where you want to
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have the meeting it's just I know this
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is supposed to make this scene looks
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serious but it makes it look ridiculous
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you're all going to get pneumonia after
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today and some and some ridiculous and
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guarded unmonitored the ladder that
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leads up to the with pro big big bright
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lights that leads up to the platform as
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yeah its total it's totally ridiculous
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yeah and i agree with you that this is
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where again i think the the actresses
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playing gin does a good job but the but
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the the next five minutes are to me
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another example of of like the writing
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is just terrible because it's yes
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so now she's on the side of the rebels
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are they just because her father is dead
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but she knows the rebels are the ones
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who actually killed her father right she
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calls them out on that she literally
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says you guys might as well be the
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Empire and according to my clock not
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three minutes later in her very next
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scene because they cut to somewhere else
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then they cut back to her she's at that
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bureaucratic meeting where nobody can
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agree on things and gives a rousing
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speech about how
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they should all be fighting the Empire
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the Empire so evil and there is
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literally nothing that has happened to
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change her mind from her previous lines
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of you guys might as well be the Empire
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ok she's on the side of the rebels now
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because you need her to be not because
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anything that happened and again it
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seems like trivially easy to rewrite
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this to make her be on the side of the
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rebels by I don't know maybe not have
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the rebels be the one who killed her
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father like maybe maybe you could make
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that change have been medicine door he's
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already killed her mom kills her dad
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toes straw that breaks the camel's back
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it's not that hard guys and makes him
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even more evil that the thing is i keep
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getting the feeling that like the
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director of this movie wanted to do with
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thing which is he wanted to show like
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whoo it's not just black and white like
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everybody everybody shades of gray in
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this in this war that the that the
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rebels and the Empire fighting and i can
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understand that as a a story that you
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want to do but i think this movie just
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didn't do it in a convincing way they
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don't have characters you like who are
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caught up in this situation and then you
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just like okay if I don't like the
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characters and I don't like the rebels I
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I feel neutral to the Empire because you
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haven't actually straight-up shown them
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doing anything really terrible except
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kidnapping the one guy in the beginning
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was like I'm just supposed to go will it
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just it doesn't work i think there's a
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version of this that you can do but it's
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like I don't think this successfully
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pulled off the feeling of like who maybe
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the rebels aren't always good it just
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felt like terrible writing is what it
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felt well I mean an in ben mendelsohn I
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think you had the perfect actor to
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achieve what you just described because
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I've I really read him not just cause
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it's Australian oh well but I think he's
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really good at playing characters i have
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this kind of charming charismatic charm
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and and knock about like ability but
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also kind of scary Menace we're not
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quite sure how unhinged there who don't
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know if you want him bloodline
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I've never seen it before as far as i
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know but i thought i would like he stood
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he stood out to me as just a very good
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actor in the movie
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yeah he's achy and he's perfect for
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achieving what you wanted to describe he
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always plays these guys who are
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interested in but you don't quite trust
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him and you know that they're like
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don't end up being a psychopath or
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something so when I saw he was playing
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this role I thought this is gonna be
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great but i think he was really let down
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by the script and I think he was his
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character was just as mediocre as all
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the others when I felt sorry for him
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like I felt like he had nothing to work
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with you and I think he'd I don't think
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he came out of the film with great
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distinction I thought like he was just
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surviving on reckoning but they didn't
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have much to work with a higher I was
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really disappointed very disappointed by
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that character you know in almost every
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way I think talking about this this
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problem of who do you like there's one
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scene which to me comes just so close to
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being ridiculous which is right after we
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have this disagreement with we can't get
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we can get the Alliance to all agree
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that we're going to go after the Empire
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and get the Death Star plans and we get
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this totally unconvincing speech from no
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reason from jen about why we should all
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be on the same side and do this together
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thank God you didn't call arousing you
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got a rousing a minute ago I thought it
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was the least rousing rousing speech
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kept saying no it was terrible i also i
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also love the this so bad she pauses for
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a moment there's like a shout out from
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the crowd for behind her looking like
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what do you propose and somebody else
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says letters speak right is like but
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nobody was talking frankly was dead
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silence but they're acting like there's
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there shouting over the country was
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terrible but she gives us this totally
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unconvincing speech right and of course
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a bunch of people who are going to you
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know they're gonna follow her because of
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her amazing speech are like oh let's
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yeah but but the main the main character
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what's his name again i still can't even
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remember uh and and or and or whatever
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Andy right yeah okay so Andy standing in
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front of a bunch of guys who have been
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roused by her speech her terrible boring
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speech yet right and here's what he says
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he says we've all done terrible things
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on behalf of the rebellion yet right
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I have to believe that everything we've
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done was for a good reason and I
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couldn't face myself if I gave up now
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and it's like dude you sound like a
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terrorist on the edge of being
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deprogrammed right that like
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like you you have to believe that all
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the terrible things you've done for the
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rebellion are for the right cause it's
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like you're not going along with her
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because this is really good
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you're going along with her because if
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you don't all the terrible things you
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have done were just terrible things
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it's it's like the worst line ever it
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feels like maybe if her speech had gone
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slightly differently he would have woken
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up and join the Empire been like my god
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these rebels really are just a bunch of
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terrorists like what am i doing in and
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like this is why I kept feeling this
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whole movie like why what why am I
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wondering what the Empire's actually up
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to and this is one of those moments like
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what are all the terrible things not
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only you but all the dudes standing
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behind you have done on behalf of this
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rebellion it was it was it was awful it
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I mean it's not a new idea is it that
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the ripples of terrorists and I just
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killing government contractors and
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employees and things like that but but
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yeah that hit home
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there's a good story to be told with
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this but i just think this movie just
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doesn't achieve it and and is ridiculous
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in a few points but but that his little
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speech there i think for anybody
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watching the movie again
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listen to what he's actually saying and
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and it's amazing it's like he's on the
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verge of an epiphany about how he's been
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doing everything wrong his entire life
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but he's going to double down on all the
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horrors he has has committed and go
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along with this girl to to steal these
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plans yeah it's unbelievable it's
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unbelievable it's like I can't I can't
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believe this is it in the movie so he
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does double down movement he goes off to
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this planet i made a couple of notes
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about this planet that I called it the
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moldings data plan because when i looked
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and i thought my goodness it looks like
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it's set on the mo days and it turns out
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it was feeling good about who's so I was
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it yeah so I was quite pleased and more
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data smile at my favorite place to go
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yeah it in my notes in my notes I have
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it as new dubai right that's it yeah
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actually like i'll get there in dubai
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now got it yeah there isn't what the
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motive slapped by the way is has been
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divided all the buildings and stuff
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London but and I made a had a few
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and was I thought like a low-lying
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watery salty planet seems like the worst
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place where you can keep your archives
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of data like what
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why would why would you put all your
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hard drives which I'll come to in a
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minute they seem to have all these
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old-fashioned platter hard drives on
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this like sea level
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sandy watery planet anyway I i love the
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two brothers that this didn't even cross
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my mind watching this movie but it's
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like I have spent enough time in hawaii
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to know that Hawaii is destroyer of
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yeah I guess this is this is not good
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plates to keeping your hard drives also
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glad you mentioned that
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yeah and I also thought it seems like a
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bit of a rubbish place to have the final
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battle like in the speech in place and I
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I thought it was gonna be terrible for
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that battle into the 8080 is turned up
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and having a tease walking around
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blowing stuff up on out paradise palm
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tree beach was awesome at worked really
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well for me that was one of the best
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things in the film saying those things
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crunching around in the sand and
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knocking over trees and that redeemed at
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like that seems like that the worst
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place for that whole final battle except
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for the fact it was awesome for the
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eighties I thought yes it though this is
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this is where on my first watching the
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movie that there's a there's a little
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thing which made me totally laughs at
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this battle scene like I get laughed out
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loud in the theater and then felt bad
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for it which is like they've landed ten
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guys on this this dubai multi-use place
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and when they detonate a whole bunch of
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charges they show that the technicians
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have are occurring like all over this
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island yeah right
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uh-huh it's like okay there's 10 guys
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but you also already established that
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this this island is so enormous you need
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ground-based horizontal elevators to
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shuttle people back and forth because
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yeah right but within 30 minutes you
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have dudes covering the whole island and
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there's explosions everywhere and so I
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laughed out loud
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yeah when they were showing the
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explosions all over the place like how
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did these guys get there if it's like
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there's water between they have to get
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to the central depot and then go back
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out further to get the other landing
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really ridiculous but but moments after
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that happened and like I i laughed at
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that ridiculousness
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when the fighting shows up and I have to
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agree like when the ads show up it's
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like okay I'm having fun and this this
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was the part of the movie that I like
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the best was like the last three
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quarters of the battle scenes on the
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beach it was the only time I felt like I
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am having genuine unadulterated fun
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watching star wars movie and I really
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like that I thought it was great i will
[TS]
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depart a little bit from that because my
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note i right here was I felt like the
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final battle saying out on the beaches
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was mindless repetitive and completely
[TS]
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charmless hmm and more and one of my
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problems with it was I lost track of the
[TS]
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number of times there was a scene where
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a stormtrooper or bad he was just about
[TS]
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to shoot someone and then they got shot
[TS]
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from the side like that happened that
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happened about ten times and I was
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thinking gosh how many more times are
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they gonna do this and then they went
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bloody did it with the finale at the top
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of the terror as well
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oh my god that was awful where where
[TS]
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where genes just about to get shot by
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ben mendelsohn and he gets shot from the
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side it's like it was almost like they
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were spitting in my face at that point
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it was like you thought you thought we
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don't too many times
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well cut this we're gonna do it and kept
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the whole film off as well yeah we've
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done to an 80 80 and we're gonna do it
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is like the final the final shot of the
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final villain guess this is this is
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going to happen yeah I guess I i do have
[TS]
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to clarify that by this point I I don't
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mean any of the stuff on the actual
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beaches it's like everything above the
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beaches iir i enjoyed I enjoyed the
[TS]
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other the shots with the x-wings and the
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TIE fighters flying around
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yeah right and that that's great ads on
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the beaches they appear from nowhere
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just like a hot like don't care just
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landed there around because they're on
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the other side of the beach troops
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actually if you're looking at the
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geography of the battle is like they've
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come from the water like that whatever I
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don't like deadass I don't care at all
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but just it's cool right it's cool i
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like seeing them
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yeah I like seeing x-wings actually
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engaging with them right instead of
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having to use your snowspeeders and tow
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all of that stuff was sort of fun i did
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find it a little bit distracting that I
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think for continuity reasons it seemed
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like the x-wings were being piloted by
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the american association of retired
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people like all the x-wing pilot was
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really old and that's like I don't think
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that's a career where you're you're
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baking it into your fifties you know
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like not many grandmas are flying
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x-wings but apparently this is what we
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do have now it's like okay what-what it
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was a secure career that must be flying
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an x-wing it doesn't look like it on
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screen but apparently everybody last
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decades in those pilots seat but but I
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just think like the shots of it were fun
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the cinematography was done really well
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yeah the the like the over-the-shoulder
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shot of the x-wing coming out of
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hyperspace into the battle it's like I
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really like that it just felt fun so
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that like that is all the stuff that i
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really like the what did you think of
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the well it's not really a battle is
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about this the sequence in the tower
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where they're actually stealing the
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plans i was surprised by how low tech it
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was and I was getting a lot of kind of
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backblaze hard drive related anxieties
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and she was taking out those guys that
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platter hard drive and flopping around
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on it Bell to hear about a quasar-like
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boy it's really convenient you have a
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clip exactly the size for this hard
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I it seems like quite low tech and then
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that were lapping it up and it was i
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guess i guess it was just it wasn't you
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mcalister's up here here's the thing off
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one of the things I like about Star Wars
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is it's like a universe without
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communications technology yeah right
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like if you with you watch the original
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ones like people are constantly
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uninformed or ill informed about things
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you know that they don't have Star Trek
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communicators it seems like it's a world
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where we have faster-than-light travel
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somehow and fax machines right but yeah
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but no news organizations like there's
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no TVs or anything it's like isn't there
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some like hot daily newspaper right
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where you can find out what's going on
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like nope it's like there's none of this
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but but i think this is a case of
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world-building we're like it just kind
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yeah it just it just works and it's like
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okay for some reason
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communications in the star wars universe
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is just difficult to do and out and i'll
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just go along with that I will totally
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accept that I'm totally fine with it but
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then this movie starts breaking it down
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a little bit because i'm aware of like
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traffic don't think about it too hard
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what's happening in the scene like okay
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wait you're broadcasting the plans
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okay so yeah you can send the plans
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wirelessly from the ground to the ship's
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yeah and then the ships are receiving
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those plans but then there immediately
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put onto a little key and it seems like
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the key is the only place that these
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yeah but you broadcast it like this is
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not a distance it doesn't seem like it's
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a narrow band signal is a wide pan
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signal like the ships are getting it
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yeah like what i sent it to every ship
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and every night whatever I put on the
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put it put on youtube yeah it's like so
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you've received the plans but they're
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not in the ship they're only on this
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yeah and it's like and you guys haven't
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signed up for backblaze like that like i
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just it bothers me because it becomes a
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moment of you want these characters on
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the ground for the end of the movie so
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how do you get them on the ground and
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the plans in the air
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this is how but it introduces something
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that now messes with this idea of in the
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star wars universe communication
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technology is terrible
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like I would have much preferred if they
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did something even I mean maybe even
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dumber and lower tech but like
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physically take the plans off-planet
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right have a little cannon and launch
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them into outer space have a droid take
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them up or something but I don't like
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that like we're using a satellite dish
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to just broadcast them its it doesn't it
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doesn't ring right for the universe for
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me and it starts messing with all kinds
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of other stuff like what how is it how
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is it so hard with these plans to keep
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them like it's leave them as physical
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plans that's totally fine but it
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requires rewrites for how is this how is
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this going to end and it just it really
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felt to me like they just want to keep
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the plant the characters on the planet
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this is what we're just going to do
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don't think about it too hard because it
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won't make any sense if you do so the
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cat and a big character we haven't
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spoken about yet is the repro
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grand Imperial Droid k2s oh who follows
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a hero's around all over the place
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mm what did you think of that character
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overall I actually quite like k2 but i
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think this was in no small part a side
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effect of I've got nobody else to like
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it's like if you took k2 and put him in
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almost any other movie i would be super
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annoyed by this robot but in this one I
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felt like I like k to his his death
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scene was the only moment in the whole
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movie that registered emotionally for me
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yeah i was like i am sad that he has
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died right like this is a sad moment
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this is what art is supposed to do it is
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supposed to invoke an emotional feeling
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and I've been sitting here for this two
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hours feeling nothing k2 dies I feel sad
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about it sounds like success in that
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part movie but they had just a lot of
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snarky stuff with k2 that I felt was was
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too much like what did you think i agree
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that the sort of the selfless death of
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kato was probably behind only like
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emotional moment in the whole film not i
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had problems with the believability of a
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droid in the star wars universe and
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being capable of humor and sarcasm and
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all those things I don't like that's
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never something we've been taught that
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simply been shown in Star Wars really I
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feel like c-3po does that though like
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c-3po makes jokes
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yeah but c-3po c-3po seat we laugh at c3
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PA there maybe you're right maybe you're
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right we don't laugh with c-3po c-3po
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isn't deliberately funny
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c-3po is funny because we see the humor
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c-3po is completely unaware of the fact
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whereas k2 is like deliberately
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sarcastic and i'm sure it's like a
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problem with his reprogramming and maybe
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they're at emotion ship somewhere maybe
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like it's funny that he just says
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everything he thinks and that i can
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imagine a droid doing that i can imagine
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a droid having this kind of verbal
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diarrhea and just being tactless but
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yeah but Katie goes beyond that k2 like
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is deliberately sarcastic and funny cat
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back at the start with k to this is the
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probability that you're gonna get killed
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by her with that blaster is like eighty
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percent or whatever like what it's very
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it's what katie says that's funny and
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that's k2 doing what a robot would do
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and just not having that attacked to not
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say it but then as the film goes on you
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know it becomes more deliberately
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sarcastic and more human and little
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didn't quite work for me but you're
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right you've got no one else to like no
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one else in the film is ever funny
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effort huh well I'm never had thought
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about this until now but i'm trying to
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think of any point in the film when gene
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or and/or are funny and jokey or fri
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like they're not funny pointless ninja
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guy makes a joke about is your foot okay
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when he's taking out a bunch of
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Stormtroopers yeah i guess those 2i
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guess those two Ninja Gaiden muscle
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supposed to be a bit of light relief but
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right but they're they're so pointless
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not that you can't really read for them
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but they sort of joke but even then it's
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yeah so I'm in kato is the only source
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of human in this film
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whereas you know in glory days of styles
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we got hand silo and two-backer and
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layer he so sassy and all that stuff
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we've got like multiple sources of
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levity in here we've got ya a robot who
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I don't believe can be funny so so
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you've got to like k2 almost out of
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yeah that that's exactly and it's like a
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k2 was in the the original trilogy is I
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feel like I most certainly are
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I would be annoyed by him but here he's
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like a lifeboat right like oh thank
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goodness the the thing is there is I
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mean talking about a whole bunch of the
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the like callbacks and and fanservice
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stuff funny you mention that line about
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k2 because the thing I really liked
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about him is is early in the
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introduction that he has exactly that
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scene where you know the two of them are
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going to go off to I don't know whatever
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some some planets subtitled on the
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bottom of the screen seven and he says
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you know that would you like to know the
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probability of her using that weapon
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against you right and and he says no and
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i love that he he says its high it's
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very high right as as he's looking way
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and he does a little hand gesture and
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here's where I think like this is good
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because it's connected to the other
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movies without having him just do the
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same thing that c-3po does yeah right
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he doesn't like over its ninety-seven
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percent actually like I love the fact
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that they do this it makes him feel
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droid like but his own person right that
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he's like alright you stupid human like
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it's really high i'm not even going to
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specify but she's gonna shoot you with
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that gun yeah well so much because he
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didn't want to know so he's almost not
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allowed to tell him but yeah you can
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stare tell him it's I yeah exactly but
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later on it's like oh you have to do the
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c-3po thing when you're in the canyon
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and he's like always we have a twenty
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percent chance of failure right now like
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now we have a thirty-seven percent
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chance of failure it's like then it just
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feels like you're just copying the other
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yeah and-and-and I don't like it and I
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thought that little k2 moment I just I
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loved and I thought if you could do this
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consistently with him throughout the
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rest of the movie it would be great but
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they they don't I do have to say the
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other reason why he's very likeable is
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the animation that they do with his eyes
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i think is fantastic and i would love to
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see behind-the-scenes thing because I i
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feel very confident that they they
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looked at a bunch of like animals like
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dogs or chimpanzees because they keep
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having him do this like look at you look
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away thing look down like his I
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animation even though it's so limited
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I feel like they're really able to
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provoke like a a very particular
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emotional response to him with that so I
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think like the animation on him what was
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was really good and it's another reason
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why like when he dies it is it is sad
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because you you have this kind of he's
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different but likable and he's been
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animated in a very good way i thought so
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should we push towards the end of the
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film then who might as well considering
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this podcast as I can end up being about
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as long as the film if we're not careful
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i did want to say one thing actually
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before we talk about the very far away
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and that is the rebel flate when it
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attacks the entrance to the gate one of
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my problems with the rebel fleet here is
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suddenly seems much more capable than I
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mm like they always the rebel fleet
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always seemed terribly under power
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word and and liked are hiding to nothing
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but they seem like a rude dominant force
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in a lot of this battle when they're
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ready and not many of them are getting
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taken out and that the Empire seemed
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really scared of them
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I felt like the rebels suddenly seemed
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like a more powerful than I remembered
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in this final battle who like they
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seemed almost too good i will agree that
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there's a shot that I think that is is
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poorly done where it seems like there's
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maybe 15 x-wings frankly like the red
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gold and blue leaders right each you
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have maybe five x-wings with them and
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they show a shot of hundreds of thai
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fighter is pouring out of of one of the
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yeah it's like the x-wings are holding
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holding their own pretty well yes like
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okay I mean maybe this is why all of
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these pilots are sold is because they're
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the best in the universe rather just
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fantastic at what they do
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yeah but it seems a little too
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outnumbered and and maybe you could just
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pretend that the Empire's not super
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concerned about protecting this base
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because there's a shield generator
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around and they think it's fine
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yeah like but instead yeah it's it's
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like those x-wing pilot are too good
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they're way too good for the numbers
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that you're seeing on screen
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the thing that drove me crazy and this I
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think is a side effect of like you have
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too many characters is in the battle
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sequence we have our troops on the
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what is their objective we want to get
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the plans okay great
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the plans have to be beamed off of the
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planet understandable i don't like it
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but it's understandable
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ok the shield's blocking our
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transmission so now we need our pilot to
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tell the rebel fleet up above to take
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down the shield's what the hell else is
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the rebel fleet doing right like if the
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rebel fleet has come to this planet
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their explicit goal is to provide air
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support for the troops on the ground but
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there is a shield between them and the
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what else would they be doing except
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trying to take down the shield and get
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down to the surface like they can't
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possibly have any other goal except to
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get may be slaughtered by the capital
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ships that are up there like just
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hanging around its it was crazy making
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to me and it felt like it's just a side
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effect like oh right we brought this
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pilot character along who again i think
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is entirely unnecessary like most of the
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characters here we need to give him
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do ya so he has to be involved in this
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account like a Rube Goldberg machine of
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we need to get the master switch to send
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the signal to talk to the fleet to tell
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the fleet to do the thing that's the
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it's it's it's bothersome and again I
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think it's a side effect of the terrible
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writing yeah why can he talk to the
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flight but the plans can't get through
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the show is there something special
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about his ship or the that's which I
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think about yeah exactly it's like this
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doesn't doesn't even make sense if you
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think about it too long right against
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it's like the data transmission problem
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here of like over monkeying around with
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how communications work and I feel like
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all of the writing problems about the
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rebels are dicks
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I have no one to root for I'm wondering
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if maybe the Empire is right about these
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I feel like it was really for me summed
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up in one moment of the movie where I
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did have a little bit of an emotional
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reaction and it was the totally wrong
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emotional reaction and it's when they
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have the rebels get the Hammerhead ship
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to make that the disabled Star Destroyer
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crash into another star destroyer and
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crash into the shield generator
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yeah i was watching that scene and all I
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kept thinking of is god there's a lot of
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people in those ships right that's like
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I am feeling bad for the Empire in this
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moment and like this is the wrong
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emotional reaction to be having I I
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don't want to be having this emotional
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reaction and what's even weirder is the
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music choice is sort of a sad song in
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this moment and it's it's like I know
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this is not how I am supposed to be
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feeling but like I have been led here by
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all of the mess that has occurred before
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this so that in what's supposed to be a
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moment of triumph I am having the exact
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opposite emotional reaction like
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thousands of people are dying in those
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good job rebels with with your suicide
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shipwright ramming into the side of them
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it was that that to me is like the
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pinnacle of like I am reacting to this
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movie in the wrong way because the
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writing is terrible
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it's the music was not as good yeah I
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think it was fun to me it was a little
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bit unremarkable I I didn't notice it
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you know so wasn't it wasn't bad or
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anything the only time I noticed it was
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in this in that scene where I felt like
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this music is wrong
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otherwise it just felt like background
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music but I wonder if it suffered from
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not having John Williams this time okay
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didn't I didn't realize that he wasn't
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doing the music this time so they have
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somebody else obviously they used a few
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little squirts of his original stuff at
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certain times and those are times when
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you're like a stowers that most of the
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most of it was written by someone else
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and me like I don't want to kick someone
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for not being john williams because it's
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pretty hard for you have to follow that
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but I do think i'll show it i do you
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think it showed that that wasn't quite
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I didn't know that it wasn't John
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Williams and I made a note in adjoining
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the film saying the music's not as good
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in this one as it was even in the
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terrible prequel soon i was noticing the
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music wasn't as good and then I looked
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later on and found out that someone else
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said had done it
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hmm so anyway our heroes down on the
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ground get death start you know they get
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they get blown up and thanks for the
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plans you did the job that was very
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noble and then we get the plans on to
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these the rebel fleet and the rebel want
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to get away and the darth vader turns up
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at just the right moment with his
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reinforcements and stops anyone being
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able to get away except perhaps this one
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ship with the plans and then we have
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Darth Vader get onto the get onto the
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ship and he's almost like man for men
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now trying to get his hands on this on
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this data card of the plants almost like
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a relay baton being passed move from one
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person to the next and our ladies
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chasing the moon
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what did you think of that same i liked
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it i I really liked it
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I great yeah it was awesome okay yeah it
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was super fun to watch
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yeah but it also felt like an
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introduction to a video game or
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something like it again didn't feel like
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it needed to be in this movie but I will
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totally creep like watching Darth Vader
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slice through a bunch of rebels you know
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slice through a bunch of terrorists may
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be right who knows it was great i
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thought it was really well done and this
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is like what Darth Vader should be he
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feels menacing yeah he's moving forward
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there's there's a clear objective right
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he's trying to get the one copy of the
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data that they have they don't have a
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lot of the ships he's kind of a bit
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angry and stuff and yeah yeah it's it's
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I really liked it
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I do think again though that it's like a
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little bit of the prequel this here
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where it's like it's the different Darth
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Vader it's the clearly more powerful
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force using Darth Vader from the
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prequels because it's like oh well yeah
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in her in a new hope he's not like
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taking out six guys at once by clenching
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yeah that that's not the Darth Vader who
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shows up later so i think that scene
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causes problems but i do have to say
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like in isolation
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I just love this sequence i think this
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sequence is great it was a good sequence
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yeah it's one of the best things in the
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movie yeah it's really enjoyable the
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door closing right and and the rebel
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ship getting away that shot of it
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falling away from the main ship i really
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like that I like that as a reveal yeah I
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still feel like it causes problems but
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it was it was just very and very
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well I thought it was great this if I
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just saying I've been thinking a lot
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about it's funny because one of the one
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of the fundamental problems this film
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has that we haven't even mentioned but
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it's that it's the elephant in the room
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is that we all pretty much know how it's
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yeah because because we have to know how
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it's going to end and yet the funny
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thing was even though I knew that dad
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later wasn't going to stop the ship and
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get the plans that same still had some
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tension and some thrilling this to it
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because of the desperation of the men
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who were getting killed it was like it
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reminded me of a saying in like
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submarine movies when the submarines
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filling up with water and they're
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shutting doors and people are trying to
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not run on a submarine I had a real kind
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of human tension yeah there was there
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was real visceral miss to it yeah
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actually actually made me think of it
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like a scene in watership down where a
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bunch of rabbits are trying to escape a
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Warren that they're in
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yeah it's the say it's the same thing
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like narrow confined space clear problem
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obstruction right now i can understand
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emotionally it was it was great and I
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also see the problem with how capable
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Darth Vader is their man he's he's doing
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he's doing amazing things and this is
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the same guy that two or three days
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later is going to have sort of an
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old-age pension a fight with really went
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beyond the data where these two slow
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lumbering out there so I do see that
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problem but even though Darth Vader was
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clearly too agile and he's doing things
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that are two amazing he does kind of
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have a kind of lumbering oaf ish
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movement to him even
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he's doing it so even though he's a bit
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too athletic and it does it does break
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the continuity they didn't overdo it
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they didn't have him doing Darth Maul
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karate car with yes and he there was a
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kind of Hawking lumbering get out of my
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way Boom Bang I'm a big-time Haggard the
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giant trying to get these plans exactly
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they went too far but they didn't go too
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far by too much right and it kind of it
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kind of worked I i completely agree
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right he's like a Frankenstein's monster
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feel to him yeah which is again why the
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scene works he's not agile yeah he is he
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is a tank coming to crush you
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yeah that's what yeah yeah so that
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worked and anyway he has a great saying
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is the shit gets away and he's there in
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the airlock having missed it by that
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and then we have the final few seconds
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where the plans are handed to our
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princess layer in her white robe and we
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turn around we see her face and she says
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her cheesy cheesy line at the end of my
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good what did you think of those find a
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few seconds then is awful just really
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awful and I kind of dropped the ball
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didn't know they did a in much the same
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way revenge of the sith mucked up their
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death later ending
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I mean surely the way princess leia
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looked freaked you out talk about
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yeah it's yeah it was it was that
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there's there's a few problems with this
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thing is like okay so so this whole
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sequence with Vader is amazing and I can
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see why they want to end the movie on
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yeah but I kept thinking doesn't this
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belong in the space battle rightly that
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this seems like it should come sooner in
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the movie but it also just had this
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problem of like Laius seems really happy
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in this shot it's like all she's getting
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away like she scampering away and she's
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she's clutching hope in her hands and it
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feels emotionally wrong it's like wait
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you're the princess like who knows how
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many people have just died here
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yeah it yeah I mean she's just saying
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she's just saying several ships full of
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all her colleagues yea crash into a Star
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Destroyer probably at probably a
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thousand people she's facebook friends
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with have just died in front of her and
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she's like who you know
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yeah it's like got away right yeah and
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and it's like this layer does not feel
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like the layout on Hoth who was trying
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to get everybody out of the base before
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yeah this is a layer who's who
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zipping off to have a fun adventure in
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the next three movies
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yeah and I just I didn't like it i think
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the line is is really clunky it doesn't
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work and she looks terrible
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I just don't think they need to do it
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and it's what it strikes to me as is
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like the leia on screen is supposed to
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be reflecting emotionally what they want
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the audience to feel right and and
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that's why I think this scene comes at
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the end as opposed to in the actual
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battle itself is because this is what
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they want you to leave on right what
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they don't want you to leave on is a
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nuclear holocaust where everybody dies
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everybody who have just been following
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for the last two hours and supposedly
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caring about from from our from a guy
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and a girl and a robot and a ninja and
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everyone everyone's just everyone's dead
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yeah and we're supposed to go whoo yeah
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yeah but and I I'm convinced that's why
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the movie ends this way and and that's
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also why they have layer react as they
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want the audience to react not as the
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actual character of Princess Leia would
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react and and that's what I thought as
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bad ending really really bad anything
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i'm also surprised that they would want
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the audience to feel that way i don't
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know i thought it should be a bit more
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well i mean ok so I I'm convinced this
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is like a like a marketing decision
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right that they want people to walk out
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of the movie feeling like they just had
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an amazing adventure and I mean I have
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to say my my second viewing there
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happened to be a bunch of families with
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with kids in the theater I was watching
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how they walked out and everybody seemed
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to walk out like oh boy that was fun fun
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adventure right in a way that I think
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even children watching a movie that ends
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in a nuclear holocaust where everybody
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dies they probably wouldn't have liked
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left out of their seats and then like
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fun excitement I feel like this is a
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committee decision that we don't want
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people to go into a Star Wars movie and
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leave on a downer right we want them to
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feel like you're leaving the theater on
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a high like wasn't that a rip-roaring
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adventure that you just had think I say
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the empire strikes back then we have but
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that's what makes it such a great movie
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that's the biggest one of the best
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movies ever made
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yeah but it's it's like but you can't
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produce that consistently yeah right and
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so I think that's why this occurred
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even if the the downer ending i think
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would have made the film stronger and I
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think that's why that's why it didn't
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how would you invented the film and
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that's a tough question because I
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haven't thought of an ass of myself yet
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but I'm just thinking what could you
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have done differently could you have had
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the rebel blockade runner get away and
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then going back down to the planet and
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had the tidal wave and that's kind of
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what I'm thinking right is like you see
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that the plans have made it out but but
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you do end with a big explosion where
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everybody dies but the only problem with
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that is there the darth vader chasing
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the plans saying was so good I almost
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couldn't have taken much more after that
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like if I'd I like that was a real
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rollicking way to end the film like it
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was a real thrill and and things ended
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so quickly after that maybe see princess
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life for 10 seconds and bang but ships
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guard and it ends like so in some ways
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that kind of high-energy ending did kind
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of work it was just the cheesy line and
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the distracting way that Princess Leia
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looked at ruined i would have been quite
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happy for the movie to end with the
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blockade running gag away and Darth
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Vader at the airlock and that would
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segues nicely into New Hope but just the
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cheese of the line
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yeah and the destruction of the face and
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and did all of that
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yeah and and her wink at the camera as
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she takes off right too much
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yeah it's i would i would have a much
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more down or ending but I i agree with
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you like I can understand you know if i
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was working at Disney and on the
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committee that's making these movies
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like you have a bunch of things that
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you're trying to do and i would probably
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under the circumstances decide to do it
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this way right whereas if you're asked
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me like how would I end this movie it's
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it's like well this is involved with
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questions about how i would structurally
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rewrite almost every single thing that
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occurs right yeah because like what
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happened like how would how would you
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fix this disaster in the last 30 seconds
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it's like you know what they did what
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they did was flying because there's
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nothing that you're really gonna do
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that's gonna going to fix all the
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problems that I that I have
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what's your sort of course you're
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closing thoughts then I mean what are we
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what have we done
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what's happened my closing thoughts are
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the feeling I had on my way to the
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theater last night when i was going to
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watch it which was I was happy to see a
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Star Wars movie and and more than that I
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on my way to the theater to have the
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feeling of the pressure is off in a
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sense that we know that from now until
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the end of copyright protection which
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will be at the same time as the heat
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death of the universe
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disney is going to be releasing Star
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Wars movies some of them will be good
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and some of them will be bad but I feel
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like after force awakens we've all had a
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bit of a catharsis and I can go see a
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Star Wars movie and if it is bad if I
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don't like it that's fine
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there will be more star wars movies and
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while that makes Star Wars less special
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it does it does mean that it becomes
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like any other movie where it's like
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well you don't have to see bad movies
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and you can just rewatched the movies
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that you think are good while I think
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it's pretty clear that i did not like
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this movie I'm fine with that
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I don't like I'm fine with that because
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there's going to be more to come
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and some of them I expect we'll be good
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and some of them I expect we'll be bad
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but it feels like the pressures off
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what is it about force awakens that has
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created that scenario you could have
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said this before force awakens are they
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going to make a bunch of more star wars
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films it doesn't matter anymore what was
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it about that film that created this new
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well I think we do want to have a
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conversation about force awakens again
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but now is not that time I i was i will
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unless you want to go for another two
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hours because i actually have a whole
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bunch of thoughts but i will just say
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that force awakens the feeling was I am
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seeing a Star Wars movie and I'm really
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liking it and I can see it multiple
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times in the theater and I'm happy right
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now I'd like I've had that good
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experience and it was simply just the
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confirmation that like this could happen
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again okay right there can be good Star
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Wars movies they won't always be
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that's what is that that's that's why I
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feel like force awakens was catharsis so
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force awakens basically made it clear
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that those first three films in the
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seventies and eighties who were like a
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one-off they there there is the route
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good style was movies you know because
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then there were three terrible ones in a
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calgon with those three the only ones
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we're going to say right now force
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awakens just proved at first first three
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weren't fluke or you know
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yeah it's not it's not that it's not
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that force awakens was as good as the
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original trilogy that but it's that I
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can watch and and enjoy and feel like
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I'm having a fun time watching star wars
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movie right that's that's what it
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confirmed like this can happen again
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yeah and so now seeing road 10 feeling
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like god what a mess
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it's it's not at like an additional
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feeling of disappointment that like
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they'll never get it right again
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yeah and and so that that that's the
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feeling I mean I think I mean broke one
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is an order of magnitude better than the
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prequels oh oh yeah I'd rather watch
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Road one three times in a row then watch
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one of the prequels once
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yeah yeah just to be just to be clear
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like yeah just just to be absolutely
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clear I don't feel like I wasted my time
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seeing road one like I've had not just
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for work purposes like I i I'm I'm glad
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I went and saw it was good enough to be
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worth you know you ten quid and a couple
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of hours and afternoon but I maybe I
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liked obviously liked it more than you
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but i think i think it was you know like
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i said it was my thumb is above the
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horizontal so it doesn't get it does get
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a slight thumbs up for me but it is it
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is very flawed who and it's just not fun
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it's just not fun movie that's the
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problem it's like I could forgive bad
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scripting if I like if it was fun
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who that wasn't even that fund it was it
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was it took itself quite seriously
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except for the droid and there were lots
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of mindless battle today like it
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you know the old fashioned ending of the
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film just people just shooting the crap
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out of each other for half-an-hour
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so anyway i'll be curious to hear and
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read and see what everyone else in the
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world thinks now
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yeah me too um I'll be curious to see
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what the reaction is alright but let's
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go back to all of my notes about what
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happened to Jenna because i have many
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points that I want to still hang on
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