Cortex 7: Ultimately a Nightmare


00:00:00   are you ready to do this thing I am alright let's get started now really get [TS]

00:00:05   started [TS]

00:00:05   perfect start destroying everything is great how you feelin I'm jetlagged I'm [TS]

00:00:13   tired so I apologize to listen to him a little bit off my game today but I have [TS]

00:00:18   recently flown from london to the United States to visit some family so I'm [TS]

00:00:23   currently recording from a remote location in North Carolina using some [TS]

00:00:29   duplicate equipment that I had stashed here but yes I have just recently [TS]

00:00:33   changed many time zones and I'm feeling a bit light headed and off in the way [TS]

00:00:39   that I always do whenever I change time zones so yes that's why I feel the need [TS]

00:00:43   to apologize to listeners straight out of the gate this morning I booked and [TS]

00:00:48   traveled on flights for a conference I'm going to in October and i'm looking to [TS]

00:00:54   be there for four days and I looked at the kind of the times I'm flying in from [TS]

00:00:58   coming home and realizing how horrible it's gonna be where is this conference [TS]

00:01:02   Indianapolis Indianapolis ok so the flight going there isn't too bad I just [TS]

00:01:09   have to stay awake until the evening will leave at like 10 a.m. here and 12 [TS]

00:01:14   hour flight and then I have to maybe do a kind of a five or six hours a week so [TS]

00:01:18   I can live with that but the flight coming home [TS]

00:01:20   arrived back in England at 6 a.m. and it's like well I now know that I'll be [TS]

00:01:25   useless for days after the yes I know those arriving early in London flights [TS]

00:01:31   and you just you just have to write off the next week I'm going to be a crazy [TS]

00:01:35   zombie when I come back from indianapolis i think is in one of those [TS]

00:01:38   funny little time zones I think it's not on the East Coast central and mountain [TS]

00:01:43   time [TS]

00:01:44   yeah one of those two times and everyone just forgets about everyone who lives on [TS]

00:01:49   the coast that is but what makes this worse though maybe better to look at it [TS]

00:01:54   I'm also gonna be in Portland in September so I can't think about that [TS]

00:01:58   right [TS]

00:01:59   late September Portland back for like maybe three weeks and then going back [TS]

00:02:03   out to the states again [TS]

00:02:05   I may as well just to shut down the business in August just [TS]

00:02:09   yes just really will go off the air for two months [TS]

00:02:15   September and October I went nowhere I am jet lag is is so much worse now that [TS]

00:02:22   I'm self-employed because I give in to it when I used to work at a job right I [TS]

00:02:27   would it was like well ok I know you've only slept for one hour but its a.m. now [TS]

00:02:32   see you have to to get up and go to work but now it's like just sleep until 4 [TS]

00:02:38   p.m. you lazy bum is no one stopping me like that was something I had recently [TS]

00:02:46   when I came back from the states in just one day I just fell asleep at two in the [TS]

00:02:50   afternoon and then when I was intending to be working just a disaster if we [TS]

00:02:57   talked last time about how I always think that I'm going to do those [TS]

00:03:01   tutorial videos for the video games that I play and when I take the flight back [TS]

00:03:06   from London and I usually arrive early in the morning every time I think the [TS]

00:03:10   same thing which is okay I've arrived in the morning I'm just going to stay awake [TS]

00:03:14   because that's the most reasonable thing to do sure I've been up all night and on [TS]

00:03:18   on an uncomfortable airplane but it would if I can just stay up all day when [TS]

00:03:22   I arrived at 6 a.m. then I'll be right back into the swing of things tomorrow [TS]

00:03:26   and without fail at some point during the day I slipped into unconsciousness [TS]

00:03:31   without even being aware of its wake up in the middle of the night [TS]

00:03:36   wide awake in London it's just it never fails that I hope again always [TS]

00:03:40   overestimate myself let go this time I really will stay awake how how often [TS]

00:03:44   have we ever done this brain oh never never is how often we've done this but [TS]

00:03:48   this time it will be different this time we really will stay awake so yes I have [TS]

00:03:53   always planned my going back around around jet lag but there's this this we [TS]

00:03:58   will talk about it more I think next time but this whole trip of mine is [TS]

00:04:01   there are many more flights coming which I'm not looking forward to this is just [TS]

00:04:05   the beginning of many more flights and many more visits in America so there [TS]

00:04:09   there will be much jet lag [TS]

00:04:10   said that next week with a little bit more about traveling generalizing yes so [TS]

00:04:17   we had we had some follow-up there was a surprising amount of follow-up related [TS]

00:04:22   to let's play video gaming there was more follow-up about the let's play [TS]

00:04:27   videos than it was about the email section which was very surprising to me [TS]

00:04:32   and it it just shows the sometimes you really cannot estimate war people wanted [TS]

00:04:38   here or what they're interested in hearing about this very interesting this [TS]

00:04:42   is the lesson I have learned from the internet is I am terrible at guessing [TS]

00:04:49   what the things people are going to be interested in our when I put up a video [TS]

00:04:53   very often people are discussing some part that I thought was incidental but [TS]

00:04:58   for whatever cap captures people's attention and when you have a big forum [TS]

00:05:02   like on Reddit where you can see what people are discussing it was always [TS]

00:05:06   aware that that it is so often not whatever the sensible main topic was it [TS]

00:05:13   something else that catches people's people's interest whether the videos or [TS]

00:05:17   whether it's it's podcast and that's one of the reasons why I really do like to [TS]

00:05:20   see the feedback to see what are people talking about and based on the last [TS]

00:05:24   episode we should have some kind of let's play segment of the show every [TS]

00:05:29   time because everybody wanted to talk about even though I could not have made [TS]

00:05:35   it any more clear in that episode that I know basically nothing about let's play [TS]

00:05:39   maybe if we ever do in experimental season at the show we could just mean [TS]

00:05:45   you could just do let's play in to see an end in theory would have liked a [TS]

00:05:50   million listeners is it just seems that many things about yeah we don't have we [TS]

00:05:56   don't really have a lot of addressable follow up the basically if because again [TS]

00:06:01   we know nothing about this time literally nothing but if you want to get [TS]

00:06:06   some good video game suggestions you should go to the thread for that [TS]

00:06:10   observed that absent a part in the show notes again because there was lots of [TS]

00:06:14   really interesting the against up [TS]

00:06:16   that people should play and this probably I would be surprised if it's [TS]

00:06:19   not a couple of new things on your list are so there was one really great [TS]

00:06:26   comment and the comment was much longer than the part I'm gonna read out and it [TS]

00:06:30   was from gannett jericho then it was talking about about gaming and PewDiePie [TS]

00:06:35   and the way that people are perceived like celebrities and stuff like that and [TS]

00:06:40   they said an hour I really like to quote and thought you liked it as well [TS]

00:06:43   people in the public I get paid the amount that they do because we value [TS]

00:06:47   what they produce and you might take issue with the fact that society values [TS]

00:06:50   of football coach more than a laureate but the fact of the matter is there more [TS]

00:06:54   football fans and science answer economic sense and they're apparently [TS]

00:06:58   more gaming fans pie gets to reap and it was really interesting as it is kinda [TS]

00:07:04   just like ya is weird that the guy who screams about video games makes millions [TS]

00:07:10   of dollars a year but it's where the audiences and it's what people are [TS]

00:07:14   interested in so that's kind of yeah it is a good point about the relative [TS]

00:07:20   audience size because yes he's making millions of dollars a year but there are [TS]

00:07:24   hundreds of millions of intense video game fans worldwide [TS]

00:07:30   I feel like it you are you are much younger than me Mike you might not have [TS]

00:07:38   this the same feeling but I am aware that I think the video game industry has [TS]

00:07:45   gone so much from becoming far from being a kid pastime to now being an [TS]

00:07:53   acceptable part of mainstream culture and its it is it is a powerful force to [TS]

00:08:01   be reckoned with in the same way that the movie industry is a huge business [TS]

00:08:06   that uses up lots of people's time and isn't it interesting that he liked to [TS]

00:08:13   have seen that that change over my lifetime that now people like my age who [TS]

00:08:19   grew up playing Nintendo Super Nintendo it like well we're now adults and we [TS]

00:08:24   have money to spend and leisure time that we want to use [TS]

00:08:28   use and it's all contributing to this enormous video game economy and that's [TS]

00:08:31   how I still sometimes catch myself feeling like video games are a marginal [TS]

00:08:37   part of the culture but they are long long past that now and that's that's [TS]

00:08:42   partly why PewDiePie is an interesting intersection in that it feels like how [TS]

00:08:46   can there be so many people watching him play video games and like all right it's [TS]

00:08:51   like asking how can there be so many people who watch movies like it's just a [TS]

00:08:55   huge part of the world now but it but I think that I can still sometimes [TS]

00:09:01   underestimate that because it was it was not like that when I was a kid there [TS]

00:09:05   were no adults who played video games when I was a kid i mean it's interesting [TS]

00:09:10   hollywood had a great comparison because the debates economic seem to match up [TS]

00:09:13   lake there are the blockbusters which everybody waves right like Call of Duty [TS]

00:09:18   for example there are like middle of the road stuffed a bunch of Cindy things [TS]

00:09:23   every small fraction dude its place and its [TS]

00:09:26   yes very with the movie industry really interest me and I think they also match [TS]

00:09:30   in a way that unlike the world of literature most games have to be multi [TS]

00:09:37   people projects and you can't make a movie with just one person and the the [TS]

00:09:43   vast bulk of games except for the smallest of small indie projects like [TS]

00:09:47   you have to have a team of people working on it is I think that they are [TS]

00:09:50   interesting Lee comparable industries in a bunch of waves I totally get why [TS]

00:09:55   people get upset that it's like you know such and such person is doing a really [TS]

00:10:01   important thing trying to teach people were trying to help you manage it [TS]

00:10:04   doesn't make any money but it's kinda just like well what can you do that just [TS]

00:10:09   isn't the amount of people out there to give that scientists the money so it's [TS]

00:10:16   like for as long as the public perception of his long as a lot of [TS]

00:10:20   people in the world want to listen to a PewDiePie says he deserves the money was [TS]

00:10:24   given time [TS]

00:10:24   yeah and I used to be one of these guys as well I remember a younger version of [TS]

00:10:30   me would be really frustrated with situations like why does the football [TS]

00:10:33   team get so much funding and the library doesn't and i think is I've gotten older [TS]

00:10:39   I've become more accepting [TS]

00:10:41   of those situations and realizing oh right of course that to a university or [TS]

00:10:46   to a school football team is actually quite valuable public relations asset [TS]

00:10:53   and it draws a lot of it is not how valuable you think it is it's it's how [TS]

00:10:59   valuable it is to the wider audience of people who have vastly different [TS]

00:11:04   preferences than just you and so I guess I like books and I like the library but [TS]

00:11:10   a school or university isn't necessarily a signing funding based entirely on my [TS]

00:11:15   preferences or entirely on the likes of the super long term value of what a kid [TS]

00:11:23   my read in a library and then what happens fifty years down the road it's [TS]

00:11:26   like the football team is an asset now in a in a very tangible very tangible [TS]

00:11:32   way so yeah I i I have relaxed about this but I used to get wound up over the [TS]

00:11:37   exact same kind of things why are in scientists paid more and why are [TS]

00:11:40   celebrities paid enormous amounts of money and I think I said last time it we [TS]

00:11:46   might want the situation where scientists who think I'm arguably [TS]

00:11:51   contribute more to the long-term value of society than people who make movies [TS]

00:11:56   you might want them to get paid more but but one thing that is is a bit like [TS]

00:12:04   fight fighting the laws of physics I'm I want gravity to be stronger or weaker [TS]

00:12:08   but it doesn't it doesn't matter I can rail against that all day and nothing is [TS]

00:12:13   nothing is going to change that if you were looking at market forces it's very [TS]

00:12:19   hard to move those things around so I wanted to address some email stuff with [TS]

00:12:23   you today we're doing this again you were doing this again I'm not finished [TS]

00:12:29   I do not believe there is one thing that you seem to to love which is receiving [TS]

00:12:35   email the kids you you you instigate in a new topic suggestions but I'll come [TS]

00:12:42   back to in a moment but for some reason then received via email [TS]

00:12:46   every single suggestion that anybody sent you will happen [TS]

00:12:50   back up from here we discussed last time how many email was not working very well [TS]

00:12:56   for me and I made the point which i think for many of the things that I'm [TS]

00:13:05   engaged enough they don't believe in the notion of just trying harder if [TS]

00:13:09   something isn't working I believe very much and trying to change the system so [TS]

00:13:14   that you get more of the results that that you want and so I was thinking [TS]

00:13:17   about this cuz it we did that last episode because he had come to a kind of [TS]

00:13:21   head as a problem for me and i was thinkin ok what can I what can I do to [TS]

00:13:25   try to stem mclean change some of this stuff and so one of the things I thought [TS]

00:13:30   was I get a lot of emails from people who are just ultimately they're [TS]

00:13:34   suggesting topics to me so that ok is there a way that I can pull this out of [TS]

00:13:40   you mail into a different format that is maybe easier for people to use and also [TS]

00:13:47   easier for me to receive and so I thought ok I played around a little bit [TS]

00:13:51   and I realized I could use Google has an option where you can set up forms that [TS]

00:13:57   people can fill out and then it adds the the information they have filled out [TS]

00:14:01   into a spreadsheet in Google Docs so that ok great I'll say this about my [TS]

00:14:05   website not just trial it out I'll just see how this goes [TS]

00:14:09   so on my website now if you go to whatever is the topic suggestions page [TS]

00:14:12   there's a link somewhere on the site there's a single line where it says what [TS]

00:14:16   would you like CGP grey to make a video about and just a little space for people [TS]

00:14:19   to write something in and they can hit submit and then that goes into the [TS]

00:14:22   spreadsheet for me and I was looking at the results as I was testing out that ok [TS]

00:14:27   this is actually way more useful to me because I can look at this much more [TS]

00:14:33   quickly because people don't feel the need to wrap their topic suggestion in a [TS]

00:14:38   lot of paragraphs of other stuff [TS]

00:14:41   wearing an email that I get some time [TS]

00:14:42   ultimately a topic suggestion there's a little bit of a warm up and then there's [TS]

00:14:46   a little bit of a goodbye in that email where is here now it's like ok great you [TS]

00:14:50   just written two or three words about what you want the thing to be so I can [TS]

00:14:53   go through this much faster I can look at it and it's much more comprehensible [TS]

00:14:58   much more quickly and I'm also not changing moods like I mentioned last [TS]

00:15:03   time with the email it's like i'm looking at the spreadsheet and i'm [TS]

00:15:05   looking at topic suggestions in this is the thing that I'm doing I'm not [TS]

00:15:09   receiving topic suggestions in between a whole bunch of other stuff so all of [TS]

00:15:14   this was fine and dandy and I thought oh great this is working to perfect and I [TS]

00:15:18   went away for a while and I came back a few hours later and discovered that I [TS]

00:15:22   had not realized that while I was sitting there really chuffed with myself [TS]

00:15:27   for how clever I was the solution everyone does say that I came back and I [TS]

00:15:35   open my email and I panic from my email and I saw the little one red badge zip [TS]

00:15:41   up to something over a thousand messages I thought what what the heck is this [TS]

00:15:45   what happened I look at my email inbox and sure enough I didn't realize that [TS]

00:15:49   the default setting was not only to add the topic suggestion to the spreadsheet [TS]

00:15:54   but also to email me the topics and so I had gotten over the course of a couple [TS]

00:15:59   hours now and emails dumped into my email inbox all of which were just [TS]

00:16:06   copies of what I had already been looking at in the spreadsheet in seeing [TS]

00:16:09   how everything was was going like this is exactly the opposite of what I wanted [TS]

00:16:14   luckily it was a relatively quick fix to take care of that to tell the tell the [TS]

00:16:18   suggestion box please stop emailing me and also to clear all of those out in it [TS]

00:16:24   in a systematic way because they were all very similar it's easy to pull them [TS]

00:16:27   pull them apart but it was an unwelcome surprise and not not what I was [TS]

00:16:33   expecting and I was I was very much worried about my email inbox your heart [TS]

00:16:37   got a little weak that day [TS]

00:16:40   making email better to know you have made it worse than you can ever imagine [TS]

00:16:46   yes but but overall I am happy with this change will have instituted and it is [TS]

00:16:52   definitely an improvement so far so this is this is a little piece of changing [TS]

00:16:58   the system not simply telling myself oo go through emails even faster and harder [TS]

00:17:03   than I ever have before so I like the way this is working right now this [TS]

00:17:08   spreadsheet so so good thing you can give to someone be like things are [TS]

00:17:12   duplicates remover things on just never gonna touch and then tell me what's in [TS]

00:17:17   what's good in here [TS]

00:17:19   oh yeah there are many things that you can do with this many things you can do [TS]

00:17:22   with it when it's now data in a format and i actually I was just looking [TS]

00:17:27   through it to get a sense of what people were saying but you can also do [TS]

00:17:29   something like oh let me just run a word frequency analysis on this [TS]

00:17:33   to get a sense of overall what are the things that are people talking about [TS]

00:17:37   here there are just a very many options for for this now in a way that you [TS]

00:17:42   couldn't do that easily with email and alongside this you've also instituted a [TS]

00:17:47   new contact City be great page website which has a little forum on it which is [TS]

00:17:53   clearly a novel way for you to try and make some sort of change to email [TS]

00:17:59   yes exactly so I have also set up a form that people can fill out which is a real [TS]

00:18:04   email form now so we can put in their name and they can put in their email [TS]

00:18:07   address and write a little message and this does not go to me this goes to my [TS]

00:18:13   personal assistant who is then filtering and dealing with the use as they are [TS]

00:18:19   coming in and we're figuring out now you know how does this work and what exactly [TS]

00:18:23   the rules are going to be but yes this is a way to take off some burden of [TS]

00:18:29   contact from me and to try to have somebody else whole out actionable stuff [TS]

00:18:35   and summarize it for me so this is this is a relatively new and we're just [TS]

00:18:39   trying this out but you seemed a little bit insecure the copyright [TS]

00:18:44   that you were a little bit not sure about this so here's the part where it's [TS]

00:18:51   just almost impossible not to sound like a self-important douchebag where you [TS]

00:19:01   you're trying to do things that are conflicting I am attempting in one way [TS]

00:19:07   to make it easier for people to reach me because this is the alternative to your [TS]

00:19:13   email has gone into an endless black hole that I will never look at right now [TS]

00:19:17   now so in this way there it's easier because yes an actual person will look [TS]

00:19:21   at look at your email but at the same time in trying to make something easier [TS]

00:19:26   it is also there's no way to get around the fact that I'm setting up a barrier [TS]

00:19:31   is well like it's not going directly to me it's going to another person who may [TS]

00:19:37   then pass it on to me or may respond to you directly and so is trying to figure [TS]

00:19:43   out how to write the copy on this page of being honest about what this is no [TS]

00:19:49   you're not sending me an email directly it's going to my assistant but without [TS]

00:19:53   sounding like oh I'm so bored and I can't read your email but please send me [TS]

00:19:58   emails anyway because it's just great there's I think there is simply no way [TS]

00:20:02   to accomplish that task completely impossible because there's no there's no [TS]

00:20:07   like humble way to say I can't read your email has to go to the system is just no [TS]

00:20:16   way you can word that yeah it's it sounds like a normal human yeah it is [TS]

00:20:23   just impossible it's just impossible and so I tried to make it like a little bit [TS]

00:20:28   funny and also to try to make it as short as humanly possible because yes [TS]

00:20:31   there's no good way to to do this but it is up there it's an option for people to [TS]

00:20:37   send me emails I have noticed something interesting so far about these these two [TS]

00:20:42   different forms which has changed already the way you mail has come in [TS]

00:20:46   because for the moment are monitoring these things and seeing ok how to each [TS]

00:20:49   of them how are they used to know how it's going to work as a system [TS]

00:20:53   and people have definitely been using them and way less email has come [TS]

00:20:59   directly to me [TS]

00:21:01   interestingly the number of topic suggestions is enormous [TS]

00:21:06   it's way more contact than I ever got from people sending me contact [TS]

00:21:10   suggestions directly so I i looked at this just yesterday and they were [TS]

00:21:13   thousands and thousands of topic suggestions on that spreadsheet and [TS]

00:21:19   interestingly the emails to me have vastly drop down and wave fewer people [TS]

00:21:25   are using that contact form to send an email sometime just aware of this and I [TS]

00:21:32   wonder what's happening is somebody thinking oh let me send an email and [TS]

00:21:36   then they're coming up to that form and then deciding what ever they were going [TS]

00:21:40   to send probably isn't going to make it through my personal assistant and just [TS]

00:21:44   not bothering instead of trying to get rid of trying to guess what my email [TS]

00:21:48   addresses and contact me directly like they're just looking on the site and [TS]

00:21:51   going over there is a way I'll just I just won't do it like it's it's [TS]

00:21:56   interesting and I don't know what is the reason for email through that form being [TS]

00:22:01   quite low and then the topic suggestions are just enormous it's it's an [TS]

00:22:05   interesting it's an interesting difference that I would not have [TS]

00:22:08   predicted when I set this up I think I would have no yeah yeah because with the [TS]

00:22:13   topic suggestions you doing two things you'll be pointing to a meeting about [TS]

00:22:19   pointing to the fact that you would like topic suggestions and you're also like [TS]

00:22:24   changing a policy which you are now willing to accept them because I think [TS]

00:22:29   people that may be familiar with your work you do know that if they email you [TS]

00:22:34   a topic suggestion you probably not right but now they're like well you've [TS]

00:22:41   opened the floodgates and you're requesting them so you may I may as well [TS]

00:22:46   Joe Smith send you that topic detection because now you're asking for them we [TS]

00:22:51   haven't before two so when you make a change like that and then highlight I [TS]

00:22:55   can see why people would send through more and also the email thing makes [TS]

00:22:59   sense to me as well because I would be a lot of the email that you got his [TS]

00:23:03   personal like people were addressing you personally know you dream about you but [TS]

00:23:10   now they know that it's not going to you a lot of the personality and the [TS]

00:23:17   connection will have gone and I don't think necessarily people see that go [TS]

00:23:21   great but just so more like all if it's gonna go to somebody else does not I'm [TS]

00:23:27   not gonna write in the way that I would write it so maybe I just won't write it [TS]

00:23:31   was interesting I think you might be right and also people that I like one of [TS]

00:23:37   your business if you ask you to do something now have a self qualifier of [TS]

00:23:42   well it has to pass a third party to think that this might actually be worth [TS]

00:23:47   grades while so let me think about it now that you say it it sounds possibly [TS]

00:23:51   obvious but I would not have predicted this in the in the beginning this [TS]

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00:24:38   slightly longer repeatedly you definitely want to use text expander I [TS]

00:24:43   use text expander to even just too fiddly stuff like make parentheses and [TS]

00:24:48   brackets for links in markdown I have a couple of different signatures for my [TS]

00:24:53   email were again I can just type a couple of letters depending on who im [TS]

00:24:56   sending a message to and it will automatically sign or put a foot or on [TS]

00:25:00   the bottom of my email address in exactly the way I want to you can even [TS]

00:25:04   use text expander to fill in information on website that you type in over and [TS]

00:25:08   over again you can even have it jump from box to box and enter in exactly [TS]

00:25:12   what you wanted to do [TS]

00:25:14   text expander is one of those little utilities that is just a pure example of [TS]

00:25:18   saving you time you type less and the computer types for you more [TS]

00:25:24   their new a text expander five is out now and you can find out more about it [TS]

00:25:29   by visiting a smile software dot com slash cortex there you can check out [TS]

00:25:34   text expander 50 for the Mac and your iPhone and iPad thank you so much to [TS]

00:25:39   smile for their support of this show so I have some I have some stuff around [TS]

00:25:44   email some of it is centered on things that I didn't get to talk to you about [TS]

00:25:48   last week I wanted to and some is based on feedback that we received one of the [TS]

00:25:53   questions that we received a bunch was people wanted to know the total number [TS]

00:25:59   of how many emails are in your Inbox [TS]

00:26:02   this would be I would think the very top level all inbox every email account you [TS]

00:26:08   have every small fold every filter everything what is that not that sits at [TS]

00:26:14   the very top it's a people want to know how behind I am that that's what people [TS]

00:26:19   want to know I think people just want to hear an astronomical number yeah people [TS]

00:26:24   just want something huge 75,000 so I I only have a rough estimate because I [TS]

00:26:34   didn't count it up last time we were we were talking but I know that the number [TS]

00:26:41   of emails that I had to deal with in some way so yes across all accounts and [TS]

00:26:48   across all levels of my sorting flag emails waiting for all of the rest of [TS]

00:26:53   the stuff that number was somewhere above a thousand and below 2000 I can't [TS]

00:27:00   narrow it down more specifically than that but when we spoke last time that's [TS]

00:27:04   that's where we were so well so it's a very large number but that is very very [TS]

00:27:10   large number it's not like 15000 [TS]

00:27:14   oh yeah I think and correct me if I'm making an incorrect assumption I think [TS]

00:27:19   the problem is isn't the number is the fact that that number probably never [TS]

00:27:23   really changes its ways [TS]

00:27:26   because as much email comes in as you can [TS]

00:27:31   that number was that number had been increasing over say the last six months [TS]

00:27:38   and I think listening to me talking last time on on the episode the one thing [TS]

00:27:43   that I did not get across very well was one of the big reasons it was also [TS]

00:27:48   occurring with me just spending less time on email and so that's why I was [TS]

00:27:54   spending less time clearing it out and so that was also causing this backlog [TS]

00:28:01   effect to occur I was doing much less frequently a thing that I used to do [TS]

00:28:05   more often which was say dedicate an entire day or two in a row to just clear [TS]

00:28:11   out email and to get it down to nothing I used to do that much more frequently [TS]

00:28:16   and I was doing that much less frequently because I was trying to say [TS]

00:28:19   it like he's that the best way to spend my time is that what people want me to [TS]

00:28:27   do and yes there are problems in email there are things that need you to be [TS]

00:28:33   solved all problems and benefits are relative and so I was spending more time [TS]

00:28:39   on making things in less time on email and and that's partly why the the [TS]

00:28:45   backflow was was increasing but I wanted to bring it up as a topic because [TS]

00:28:49   obviously at a certain point it gets on your mind like email was now on my mind [TS]

00:28:56   is this little burden that was always there in in the background and so that's [TS]

00:29:01   kind of why I was wanting to talk about it is because I can feel this is a [TS]

00:29:04   problem now not because of anything that's like in the email but all of the [TS]

00:29:09   emails in aggregate together are like a psychological burden even if none of [TS]

00:29:15   them in particular is a huge deal breaking problem which is why I can [TS]

00:29:20   dedicate less time to them but none of them stop the business but all of them [TS]

00:29:25   together just a psychological burden that's where I was last time we spoke so [TS]

00:29:30   where are you an email now [TS]

00:29:32   as of this morning I am happy to reports that I have 0 emails in my inbox was ok [TS]

00:29:41   because it turns out if you make a podcast where you embarrassingly talk [TS]

00:29:50   about how far behind on email you are you have basically shamed yourself into [TS]

00:29:55   having to actually clear all of this out I just couldn't deal with it being there [TS]

00:30:02   anymore and the fact that I'm traveling happens to have made this an excellent [TS]

00:30:09   time to do this because all of my normal routines are thrown off kilter anyway so [TS]

00:30:17   on the airplanes and have been working here in North Carolina little bit III [TS]

00:30:23   who was filled with a vengeance to get this back down at least at least to just [TS]

00:30:32   be able to slap the bottom of the empty floor for a split second before it [TS]

00:30:36   starts filling back up again that that was the goal because I was also thinking [TS]

00:30:40   about it I want to try to change the way this works [TS]

00:30:45   systematically it's very hard to do that while still having a big backlog of [TS]

00:30:51   stuff if it's easier to sit down and say ok I'm actually going to spend a serious [TS]

00:30:57   amount of time dealing with this and then trying to build a new system from [TS]

00:31:04   the ground up and that's just that's easier to do a bomb just focused on [TS]

00:31:08   email so I haven't been writing scripts I haven't been doing other stuff related [TS]

00:31:13   to the business I have basically dedicated my time to clearing out all of [TS]

00:31:18   that stuff and yes just just a couple hours before we started recording I [TS]

00:31:24   reached the bottom so I'm quite relieved about that that's amazing like really [TS]

00:31:30   that is awesome he did that if if that amazing it's just a matter of time but [TS]

00:31:35   you know just it is this is [TS]

00:31:37   because here's the thing going through all of this it makes it was just again [TS]

00:31:42   of realizing with the email yes none of these are none of these are big problems [TS]

00:31:45   but they're all just little problems spread across a huge variety of domains [TS]

00:31:50   personal life and business life and all of these things as a whole bunch of [TS]

00:31:54   stuff to deal with in all of these different context switches it just takes [TS]

00:31:59   a lot of time that that's all it is it's not it's not hard it's not like coal [TS]

00:32:06   mining where it's difficult work all day long raised just time consuming and this [TS]

00:32:12   is where I i feel conflicted about acts like I mentioned mentioned before ok so [TS]

00:32:16   I've I feel better cause I've relieved this mental email burden from myself but [TS]

00:32:21   they give this a really what the people who support my work want me doing with [TS]

00:32:27   my time now they want me writing scripts they won't be making more videos and [TS]

00:32:31   this is the part of being self employed in dealing with all the stuff that I [TS]

00:32:35   just don't like I hate spending time on this this administrative stuff but it [TS]

00:32:40   does need to be done at some point even if it's just because it's on your mind [TS]

00:32:46   not because it's necessarily a problem in and of itself but I'm very much aware [TS]

00:32:50   like the most valuable work that I can do this stuff that people like the best [TS]

00:32:54   is not me just replying to emails its me making podcasts and and making videos [TS]

00:33:00   but anyway that is done and now I am attempting to figure out how to build a [TS]

00:33:06   new system that will manage that will last in the longer run it so that's why [TS]

00:33:11   the topic suggestion thing and filtering more emails to my personal assistants [TS]

00:33:16   are the first two pieces of of this is bright new future with email so I mean [TS]

00:33:23   ideally now it's like trying to protect the system in which you then don't have [TS]

00:33:30   to do what you just did again that's exactly right and also now I can have a [TS]

00:33:35   better sense of what's happening [TS]

00:33:38   yeah like how many like what's the I can have a much better sense of ok what is [TS]

00:33:43   the minimum amount of time that I need to dedicate to this to keep it at a [TS]

00:33:47   steady state where I can [TS]

00:33:49   get it to empty on a you know every other week basis or whatever it now have [TS]

00:33:54   a much better sense going forward what that's going to be working with a much [TS]

00:33:58   more reasonable system so that's that's what I'm trying here I guess my my [TS]

00:34:03   prototype here is if you're very behind on email start a podcast and tell the [TS]

00:34:09   whole world about how behind an email you are that's the takeaway from this [TS]

00:34:11   that's a really good take away which is up in a situation where you really [TS]

00:34:18   embarrassed and so I am maintain what I said earlier this helps helps you [TS]

00:34:26   whether whether you like to admit that it was help it was unwelcome help [TS]

00:34:30   because it was embarrassment that it helped nonetheless yes but nonetheless I [TS]

00:34:36   am at the bottom of my email now if you have heard at the time and/or considered [TS]

00:34:40   email bankruptcy yes I have I've come across this and I am I am [TS]

00:34:47   philosophically opposed to email Bankruptcy Court for listeners who may [TS]

00:34:55   be unaware that I think maybe the best way to describe the email bankruptcy is [TS]

00:34:58   it's just like bankruptcy in real life [TS]

00:35:01   you're so far in debt with in this case not money but emails that need to be [TS]

00:35:07   replied to that the only way forward is to just say I'm dumping all of this and [TS]

00:35:16   starting afresh [TS]

00:35:19   my email debt is being absolved by me declaring bankruptcy and we're just [TS]

00:35:24   going to move forward and anything that's important [TS]

00:35:26   will reappear at some point in the future I know that if I did that I would [TS]

00:35:32   feel way worse about it because I I would also feel like I hadn't really [TS]

00:35:38   solve the problem and I would feel like what i've what i've done is is swept a [TS]

00:35:42   bunch of problems under the rug that then it then there's like an uncertainty [TS]

00:35:47   of did a sweep something away that I really needed to see that wouldn't have [TS]

00:35:52   resurfaced at an appropriate time scale [TS]

00:35:57   and I'm not I'm not saying that you mail bankruptcy is never acceptable but it is [TS]

00:36:05   not something that I would be comfortable dealing with I would much [TS]

00:36:09   rather do what I've done which is take a bunch of time and say I'm doing nothing [TS]

00:36:13   else except email and and get to the bottom of all of it and then feel like I [TS]

00:36:17   have a genuine fresh start [TS]

00:36:21   email bankruptcy feels a bit like stealing our fresh starts in a somewhat [TS]

00:36:25   illegitimate way to me that's that's a bit of how it feels [TS]

00:36:29   I can see why people do it but I can see why you wouldn't do it so I think the [TS]

00:36:36   reason that I thought of this as well as like you were in it seemed to be in a [TS]

00:36:41   situation in which the email that was in your inbox was never gonna get answer to [TS]

00:36:45   continue to build in that in that world if that was what was going to occur [TS]

00:36:51   email bankruptcy makes sense because you're never gonna get to those emails [TS]

00:36:56   anyways so stop giving yourself the anxiety is in a number like that thats I [TS]

00:37:01   think we're the idea come from for many people but the reason I can see that you [TS]

00:37:06   take on the route that you've taken and on what you've done is it doesn't gel [TS]

00:37:09   with you because it's like wall it's only just gonna happen again because all [TS]

00:37:14   I'm doing is taking a temporary measure [TS]

00:37:18   there is absolutely zero reason why my email inbox would not get back to a [TS]

00:37:23   thousand if all I'm doing is just every six months deleting everything right [TS]

00:37:28   because there's no new system it's just the exact same system but now you're [TS]

00:37:33   starting from zero again I don't know where this comes from originally but [TS]

00:37:37   there's a little saying that your daily system is perfectly designed to get [TS]

00:37:41   exactly the results that you're getting and it's almost it's almost a [TS]

00:37:47   definitional statement but if you are in a situation where you are getting more [TS]

00:37:52   emails than you are you are responding to [TS]

00:37:56   however you deal with the email that is your system and it is producing those [TS]

00:38:00   results I get is perfectly designed to produce those results and so yes [TS]

00:38:04   declaring e-mail bankruptcy is just going to get you the exact same [TS]

00:38:07   thing later down the road I don't like the idea of just sweeping away these [TS]

00:38:13   problems without actually facing them of just saying I'm just gonna push it all [TS]

00:38:19   away and and hope it's hope its fine hope I hear from people again when I [TS]

00:38:24   need to an inappropriate time scale and i mean that that does mean that I have I [TS]

00:38:27   have applied to in the past few days some emails that were just [TS]

00:38:31   embarrassingly late that's that's a bit uncomfortable to do but I still think I [TS]

00:38:37   feel better about replying to something embarrassingly late then I feel about [TS]

00:38:41   just sweeping it under the road and not replying to it if it is something that [TS]

00:38:46   still needs a reply email has an expiration date [TS]

00:38:50   here's a question for you Mike did you ever ever find it when you're working [TS]

00:38:54   with large groups of people that there there are definitely problems that just [TS]

00:38:58   if you wait long enough they do go away on their own right there there are [TS]

00:39:03   problems that just kind of like I don't handle this it'll just get fixed by [TS]

00:39:08   somebody else or it will just become irrelevant you know what I'm talking [TS]

00:39:11   about great you have uncovered my top tips for working in a corporate [TS]

00:39:15   environment oh yes as part of my job I did a few different things so my old [TS]

00:39:24   life the most recent job that I had I worked in a bank doing marketing and I [TS]

00:39:30   mention this last time [TS]

00:39:31   email as part of my job I did they see a marketing direct mail so this is like [TS]

00:39:38   the stuff that you received your letter box and also email marketing as well so [TS]

00:39:43   we would be marked existing custom stuff we would send emails to people that was [TS]

00:39:50   one of my jobs one of my other roles was also a bit of like Mad Men and systems [TS]

00:39:56   processing for a different part of the business it was a dream job and I did [TS]

00:40:01   this creative part of marketing but then also managing this like other marketing [TS]

00:40:06   department it was strange but it was little I did I would get sent emails for [TS]

00:40:12   things that nobody knew how to do so they sent it to me because they expected [TS]

00:40:17   that I was the person that would [TS]

00:40:18   have to do it you know like nobody else knows how to do this has to get done so [TS]

00:40:23   I should send it to the guy that is going to affect the most of it doesn't [TS]

00:40:25   get rights and send it to me a lot of those things I would read them and be [TS]

00:40:30   like I don't know how to do this I don't want to have to learn so what I'm gonna [TS]

00:40:35   do is delete this email and comes back in a few weeks there may be a look at it [TS]

00:40:42   but if it doesn't come back it was never that point in the first place and that [TS]

00:40:46   saved me so much time because I would just delete things and then if people [TS]

00:40:50   say why didn't you do this I haven't got around to it like that was always my on [TS]

00:40:54   services like I haven't seen this and then I would do with it but more often [TS]

00:40:59   than not these things which has never come back because the executive who [TS]

00:41:04   asked for it moved on and didn't carry you know all of these things in these [TS]

00:41:09   big corporate environments such as stemmed by somebody in the management [TS]

00:41:14   team asked a question and now everybody thinks there needs to be an answer to [TS]

00:41:19   this question when really they would just asking the question [TS]

00:41:23   yeah I very very frequently would do this and all if there was an email in my [TS]

00:41:29   inbox or in a folder or something that I believed needed to be dealt with and it [TS]

00:41:35   was already like three or four weeks pass the time they was sent and I had no [TS]

00:41:39   chaser email gone just gone that people used to say to me like that how do you [TS]

00:41:46   get all the work done that you do and also leave at 5 p.m. like I was the only [TS]

00:41:50   person in my team that came in at nine let you know how do you say things and [TS]

00:41:55   it was basically because I don't allow myself to get bogged down in things that [TS]

00:41:59   I think of them that was how I survived a bunch of stuff basically part of your [TS]

00:42:09   system was first contacted my coaches have had to happen twice so it didn't [TS]

00:42:13   count pretty much if it was the fact that sounds if it was a thing that was [TS]

00:42:17   like no one knows how to do this can you do this and you can pretty much assume [TS]

00:42:21   that it got deleted it [TS]

00:42:23   I don't do that anymore because every deleted email like that affect my [TS]

00:42:29   business you know that that's that's as you say that we are now in very [TS]

00:42:33   different situations but I was sitting here I'm trying to remember what it was [TS]

00:42:37   but at some point in my teaching career I had a similar realization of a lot of [TS]

00:42:43   these requests I can just ignore and I'll never hear about them ever again [TS]

00:42:47   now that's not so much the case because people are contacting us directly [TS]

00:42:54   because of the thing that we do but in groups there seems to be this thing [TS]

00:42:57   where where you just get many more requests where it's clear that something [TS]

00:43:02   popped into somebody's mind for a mere minute long enough to write you an email [TS]

00:43:07   and then they they almost don't care about at the instant they're done [TS]

00:43:11   writing the email and you learn to recognize those those kinds of requests [TS]

00:43:16   the only thing that's coming to my mind was I never did but received a bunch of [TS]

00:43:23   requests for was I get emails about how I was supposed to contact a parent about [TS]

00:43:29   something related to their child and it wasn't apparent reaching out to me it [TS]

00:43:36   was an administrator telling me that I should reach out to a parent about X [TS]

00:43:42   how's that well the parent hasn't approached me I don't really know how [TS]

00:43:47   much they care about this topic this just seems like something and [TS]

00:43:50   administrator wants me to do and so I'll just never do this unless I hear about [TS]

00:43:55   it again and in my entire career teaching I never once called a parent [TS]

00:44:01   even though I I received many requests from administrators to call parents and [TS]

00:44:06   I never heard about it ever I I honestly think this is one of the things were [TS]

00:44:10   just popped into somebody's head oh you know you should call Susie's mom about [TS]

00:44:14   whatever I like ok you know didn't do that never happened ever mattered and I [TS]

00:44:20   could have been spending an hour on the phone several times a week calling to [TS]

00:44:25   parents to talk about their precious darling and why they aren't performing [TS]

00:44:29   perfectly in every possible way [TS]

00:44:31   way however I wish I could remember more but that was that's the one that's [TS]

00:44:34   clearly jumping into my head of like if I just ignored it goes away and clearly [TS]

00:44:38   nobody cares not the parent not the student not the administrator is just an [TS]

00:44:43   email that has appeared because these things do you mind would be a lot of [TS]

00:44:48   like this item of literature is out of stock [TS]

00:44:55   the last time it was ordered was six years ago the company that makes this [TS]

00:44:59   doesn't exist anymore we need more of them and i feel like im not doing it [TS]

00:45:06   sounds horrible home actually I do have a follow-up question for you something [TS]

00:45:12   from last show that you mention offhandedly the part of your job was to [TS]

00:45:18   send emails to millions of people and we never followed up on this yeah tell me [TS]

00:45:22   about this that was it like the marketing stuff like I would be in [TS]

00:45:26   charge of creating marketing campaigns that was sent out to the millions and [TS]

00:45:33   millions of people in the customer base and so that's what you were doing you [TS]

00:45:36   were sending those emails that I don't read from my bank about something being [TS]

00:45:41   updated or some special promotion that was you I actually think that is [TS]

00:45:45   literally was me I didn't know with you but the time but it literally was it was [TS]

00:45:50   me so you know that first email maybe that was an email that you go from here [TS]

00:45:56   getting stuff that I was bugging you if the most frequent question that came [TS]

00:46:01   through after last week's episode was about having like segmenting email [TS]

00:46:08   accounts basically so having secret email addresses [TS]

00:46:12   family and friends using aliases so like saying i dunno CDP plus Pam at grade on [TS]

00:46:19   that kind of thing right using the aliases or just having multiple email [TS]

00:46:26   accounts to deal with certain things so you can more easily filter staff in just [TS]

00:46:30   more easily get what you wanted [TS]

00:46:32   do you have a system in place like this do you do anything like this I have I [TS]

00:46:37   have seen a lot of advice on [TS]

00:46:39   about doing this exact kind of thing have multiple email addresses for [TS]

00:46:43   different kinds of contact that you are going to receive and in my experience [TS]

00:46:49   this just doesn't work it doesn't work because ultimately I have to open up the [TS]

00:46:56   email client on whatever device I'm using so I'm opening up mail on my Mac [TS]

00:47:02   and even if I have segmented different emails I had one email I just for my [TS]

00:47:08   family and I have one email address for business and this is a public contact [TS]

00:47:12   form it's all going to the same program that I open at the same time anyway so [TS]

00:47:18   it's you can't help but see everything that is there when I have accused only [TS]

00:47:24   tried to do that have different email addresses I've always just found that it [TS]

00:47:28   seems like it is mentally more work than simply having it all in the same place [TS]

00:47:32   and I do have dozens of email addresses have collected over the years and all of [TS]

00:47:40   them are doing this crazy forwarding chain whereas I have a have created new [TS]

00:47:45   ones and eventually abandon them I sent them to forward to what is the more [TS]

00:47:48   current email address so it all filters back to the same place now but I think [TS]

00:47:53   people who have known me for a very long time if they send me one of my older [TS]

00:47:57   than me a message one of my older he addresses it probably goes through three [TS]

00:48:01   or four email addresses that all Eve say oh forward to this one now over to this [TS]

00:48:05   one now before it ends up at what is my current email address so I don't know is [TS]

00:48:11   it feels more it feels more honest and it feels more easy to manage to just [TS]

00:48:17   have it all end up in one account and then to try and use Smart Filters or [TS]

00:48:25   rules on that one [TS]

00:48:28   account that just feels way more straightforward than trying to manage of [TS]

00:48:32   bunch of accounts and then also managed rules may be on those are Smart Filters [TS]

00:48:37   it just doesn't it seem like duplicates seems like duplicate work and plus I [TS]

00:48:42   know people who have secret contact email addresses that you're supposed to [TS]

00:48:47   use [TS]

00:48:48   do you get in touch with them but then this also becomes a problem of now you [TS]

00:48:52   have a secret icky for now you have to remember which email address you're [TS]

00:48:56   supposed to use to get in touch with that person [TS]

00:48:58   it also like it puts a burden of effort on everyone else who is contacting you [TS]

00:49:03   in some way so I it's almost like it like it's almost like and security [TS]

00:49:10   through obscurity measure to have secret email addresses [TS]

00:49:13   well there eventually they're eventually going to be not secret they're [TS]

00:49:16   eventually going to spread out and then you just have to do the whole thing over [TS]

00:49:19   again so that that's why I'm much more focused on trying to have a system that [TS]

00:49:25   just works for all of my email and I don't I don't find segment in that stuff [TS]

00:49:29   works very well but I mean I know you have this view email addresses do you [TS]

00:49:35   segmented like do you find this useful to do or do you have it all go to one [TS]

00:49:38   place as well it all goes to one place because you do the same as me [TS]

00:49:42   yeah although I don't really have many filters in place the only filters I have [TS]

00:49:48   is for stuff to go immediately archive which tends to be notifications of [TS]

00:49:53   things so like for example I want them there in case I need to search for them [TS]

00:49:58   but I don't ever wanna see them directly I have a ton of stuff that doesn't as [TS]

00:50:03   well so late but my thing is my my reason I don't have this and I can [TS]

00:50:07   totally see why it works for some people but my main problem with email is the [TS]

00:50:12   psychological burden it places on me [TS]

00:50:15   rights are seeing the number this doesn't fix that because I would still [TS]

00:50:19   be adding all of those email accounts the same email app right because I'm [TS]

00:50:25   always going to see even if I just go into one inbox I'm still gonna see that [TS]

00:50:29   number on the big embarks which is exactly the same as the problem I have [TS]

00:50:32   now and then you could start game really crazy right so I use mailed out for this [TS]

00:50:38   email account and that's never gonna work for me because they will now have [TS]

00:50:43   to have 6 tabs open and it's just a nightmare because I can totally see why [TS]

00:50:49   some people do it you are perfectly right that the only way this is [TS]

00:50:52   practical as if you are also willing to use multiple email applications and that [TS]

00:50:56   is a bridge that I am [TS]

00:50:58   simply not willing to cross as it is I used to things for email and that's what [TS]

00:51:03   that's already more than I really want to and the only reason that I used to is [TS]

00:51:08   because on iOS I have draft set up as a kind of phone email account that allows [TS]

00:51:14   me to send a message to someone without having to open up and look at my own [TS]

00:51:19   email account and I do the same thing on the Mac with airmail it's called which I [TS]

00:51:25   have set up as an outgoing only email account so I don't have to open up like [TS]

00:51:30   look at the look at all the stuff that is coming to me if I just I want to send [TS]

00:51:33   an email to someone that's as close as unwilling to get to actually using [TS]

00:51:37   multiple email accounts are both email apps and really that's just like using [TS]

00:51:41   1.1 mail apps so yes I am not willing to have multiple ones and that's the only [TS]

00:51:47   way I think that having multiple email addresses is helpful in segmenting way [TS]

00:51:53   in the same way that slack is segmented for our communication you need to have a [TS]

00:51:58   lot happened I just rather deal with the email all in one place in a consistent [TS]

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00:54:20   of real FM Squarespace build a beautiful I think we briefly touched on this and [TS]

00:54:26   previous episode that you tend to use mail app for your iOS and OS 10 majority [TS]

00:54:36   of email processing stuff yeah century all of it is that because of utility [TS]

00:54:42   areas you just like you know how to use it you're stuck in it waves have used it [TS]

00:54:47   forever I am in the minority here of I for the most part like the way that it [TS]

00:54:52   looks like I've tried to use Gmail stuff and personally I find it tedious I know [TS]

00:55:00   that there are people who are all in on using Gmail for email [TS]

00:55:03   and I don't like using their web interface I have netted just it does not [TS]

00:55:09   work with the way I think about you mail for whatever reason and I also just [TS]

00:55:13   think it is ugly whereas I I like the fact that mel is relatively clean does [TS]

00:55:18   and this is why I especially like doing mail on my iPad on the iPhone is very [TS]

00:55:24   clean like you're just looking at the message was not a whole bunch of stuff [TS]

00:55:28   all over the place and you're just looking at one at a time I really like [TS]

00:55:32   that where gmail has always felt really really messy to me so that's that's why [TS]

00:55:36   I I use these I actually do like that I feel like I'm the only person who likes [TS]

00:55:41   mail there obviously the things that frustrate me about it although on my Mac [TS]

00:55:46   I definitely love there's a plugin for mail which is called male act on which I [TS]

00:55:52   would be very sad if it didn't work anymore but it does allow me to assign [TS]

00:55:55   just some key strokes that will automatically do things to a message so [TS]

00:56:00   I have it set up so that if I press Ctrl a while looking at a message it will [TS]

00:56:05   archive that message but will also make sure to clear any flags that are on that [TS]

00:56:10   message or and to make sure that the messages on red because sometimes I [TS]

00:56:14   actually archives something so quickly that it doesn't pass the like three [TS]

00:56:19   second timer yes this is an unread message I just wanna make sure that if [TS]

00:56:26   something low that I immediately go like nope boom in the archive I don't want [TS]

00:56:30   the archive to be cleared up with random messages that are still marked as unread [TS]

00:56:32   that that is that is a handy little thing that I use the fastest archiver in [TS]

00:56:37   the west it doesn't even have time to recognize it but yes that's male act on [TS]

00:56:46   a big fan of that I I quite like that on the Mac so you said you don't like Gmail [TS]

00:56:52   do you use Gmail for your web email hosting do something different I used [TS]

00:57:00   Gmail for years and then when I say it was maybe six months or a year ago now [TS]

00:57:08   I'm terrible with relative times but somewhere in that that boundary I I had [TS]

00:57:13   what was [TS]

00:57:14   a disaster is problem with Gmail and Mail talking to each other which Apple [TS]

00:57:22   in Gmail have never really played well together they're always been minor [TS]

00:57:25   problems I remember this [TS]

00:57:27   yes yeah there was an update astound basically meant they could be just [TS]

00:57:32   couldn't use Gmail email anymore that was why a lot of people don't use man [TS]

00:57:36   that's why I stopped using the mail was because he couldn't get my email and [TS]

00:57:40   more service like well I'm gonna go if you're using male I can wholeheartedly [TS]

00:57:47   recommend using Gmail with it but it wasn't I did run into that problem where [TS]

00:57:53   you couldn't access it I ran into problems where and my feeling is I don't [TS]

00:57:58   care whose fault is it I don't care if it was Apple's fault I don't care for [TS]

00:58:00   his Gmail so I just ran into this problem where anyone know how to [TS]

00:58:05   describe it but basically I had a a big number of flags messages in my gmail [TS]

00:58:09   system that I need to reply to and that at some point all of those flags got [TS]

00:58:17   lost the way gmail works is that you just have all of the messages in one [TS]

00:58:24   giant archive and it kind of smart pulls out the ones that are flags you can just [TS]

00:58:28   see them the flag ones are in in an actual separate folder that you can just [TS]

00:58:33   go and look and so if you lose the flags you those messages are just lost among [TS]

00:58:40   the tens and tens of thousands of emails that are in your whole archive you never [TS]

00:58:44   going to find them again and so I had a big chunk of flag messages to reply to a [TS]

00:58:50   lost all those flags and that without was my you know what the way gmail works [TS]

00:58:54   with its funny it is I map but it isn't really I'm a bit like I'm done with this [TS]

00:58:58   I want to have a system where it's folders and I know that I am putting [TS]

00:59:03   messages in those folders and they're just they're just there I don't want any [TS]

00:59:07   of this fancy gmail stuff that I don't even use anyway so I switched over and [TS]

00:59:12   I'm now using fast mail as the back end to my actual email that that is what is [TS]

00:59:19   happening behind the scenes I is I pay fast mail now [TS]

00:59:22   to provide the service which is just a standard IMAP client so that's what I'm [TS]

00:59:27   currently using and I'm very very happy with it I'm very happy with it when we [TS]

00:59:32   started really we started fast mail but we'd for some reason something went awry [TS]

00:59:41   and we somehow ended up getting spam and it was somehow not passing for the spam [TS]

00:59:52   feels very well did something went wrong somewhere but what was happening was [TS]

00:59:57   people then sty to email me like potential sponsors whose very early in [TS]

01:00:02   the company and the emails were bouncing and I basically said we need to do to [TS]

01:00:08   change his right now like this needs to be fixed I will not allow this to happen [TS]

01:00:14   again and then moved to Gmail and we have Google ads in that also allowed me [TS]

01:00:20   to because I wanted to be able to try all of the fancy email apps that [TS]

01:00:25   integrate gmail like me and I couldn't use those if I was using third-party [TS]

01:00:33   providers so we used Google Apps and I use mailboxes my [TS]

01:00:39   I'm just going to say for anybody who does use fast mail I ran into the same [TS]

01:00:44   things straight away [TS]

01:00:45   boy seemed to be getting a lot of spam and this is this is weird fast mail has [TS]

01:00:49   some very bizarre default settings for how it handles spam and I always want to [TS]

01:00:56   reach out to the people at fast you know if you change the defaults for the way [TS]

01:01:00   you handle this would be much better but there is a way in the settings if you do [TS]

01:01:04   use fast mail to tell it here fast mail look at my archive of messages and those [TS]

01:01:12   messages learn them is not spam and for some reason I don't know why it does [TS]

01:01:17   that it it it's just trying to evaluate spam in the abstract against the whole [TS]

01:01:23   internet I guess whereas it's it's it's not like Gmail does by default looking [TS]

01:01:29   at your messages and trying to learn ok what kind of messages are sent to this [TS]

01:01:33   person if you sign up with that smell make sure to go into [TS]

01:01:36   the settings and tell it like yes please look at my archive of messages and learn [TS]

01:01:41   what is and is not spam to me and ever since I did that I haven't had any [TS]

01:01:45   problems but the default setup is a bit is a bit weird you do get a lot of a lot [TS]

01:01:51   of spam so I think they need they need to work on that but otherwise I'm I'm [TS]

01:01:55   quite happy with it on your phone and on your iPad I assume you're busy use mail [TS]

01:02:01   but then you also mentioned having drafts as like this [TS]

01:02:05   send only email account how did this come to be I don't know I wanted to [TS]

01:02:10   solve that problem of I have thought of a thing and I want to send a message to [TS]

01:02:14   somebody but I don't want to open up my email and get distracted by things that [TS]

01:02:19   are in there I realized oh if I set up a separate email address which is [TS]

01:02:26   basically you know my email address . mobile right that I can send messages [TS]

01:02:34   from there but then the dot mobile address its rule is to forward [TS]

01:02:40   everything to my real address so if I send somebody an email from I dot mobile [TS]

01:02:45   one they can reply to it and it will go to my real out my real email address it [TS]

01:02:52   won't go back to the mobile one so that way the mobile email address is always [TS]

01:02:58   clear like there's nothing that's in there because it sends outgoing messages [TS]

01:03:03   and it redirects everything that is coming in I did find that very useful [TS]

01:03:09   for ok I want to send a message I don't want to get distracted by all of my [TS]

01:03:13   email do you have configured in a different way on your iPod like you I [TS]

01:03:17   definitely seems to be four you like a dream email device right it's the one [TS]

01:03:23   that I use the most I wouldn't say that it's a dream email device because all [TS]

01:03:28   email is ultimately a nightmare but [TS]

01:03:32   but but I find it is that it is the one where it is the least stressful way to [TS]

01:03:39   deal with email that's that's the way I would describe it it's the cleanest and [TS]

01:03:43   it's the simplest way of dealing with the email but it is not always the most [TS]

01:03:47   convenient because sometimes an email you'll need to attach something all need [TS]

01:03:51   to look something up and then on the iPad that can become kind of a pain in [TS]

01:03:54   the butt but all things being equal I would rather do you mail my iPad have [TS]

01:03:58   you ever tried anything like Google Inbox on mailbox basically something [TS]

01:04:03   that can categorize email on your behalf if you ever tried to do these services [TS]

01:04:08   because I have so many email addresses many of them are Gmail addresses and so [TS]

01:04:14   yes I have tried playing around with all of the various plugs into Gmail [TS]

01:04:20   different services and I think those things are a lot like to do apps now if [TS]

01:04:28   you look on the App Store there are a bazillion different to do abs and you [TS]

01:04:35   have to find a to-do app that just fits with your mind very well and there are [TS]

01:04:44   just people think about their to do is in very different ways where one app is [TS]

01:04:48   good for someone and it's it's a 10 it's a terrible fit for somebody else I think [TS]

01:04:51   a lot of these Gmail apps like inbox or like mailbox if they happened to line up [TS]

01:04:58   with the way you think about email then they're amazing but if they don't fit [TS]

01:05:03   the shape of your mind then they are terrible and so some of the features in [TS]

01:05:07   mailbox about you can press a button and say oh I could boomerang this back to me [TS]

01:05:12   in a week I don't want to see this now but but make it look as though this [TS]

01:05:15   message just got sent to me and you in a week [TS]

01:05:18   something about that just does not fit my mind at all and in box on the other [TS]

01:05:24   on the other end of that I feel like inbox is trying to do too many things [TS]

01:05:28   automatically and I just I don't like that as well but for it for the right [TS]

01:05:33   people the impression that I get his those different services are just [TS]

01:05:37   amazing if it matches up with your mind in the same way that if you find it to [TS]

01:05:41   do manager that may [TS]

01:05:42   matches with your mind you feel like I think this is exactly what I'm looking [TS]

01:05:46   for [TS]

01:05:47   so that that's that's kind of my thought on those things I'm not really very [TS]

01:05:52   comfortable with an at that tries to make decisions on my behalf site that's [TS]

01:05:59   how I feel within boxes it's like he's doing much like its categorizing things [TS]

01:06:04   and moving things around and putting things in this hidden folder and I don't [TS]

01:06:09   really like that but I am like the exact opposite you not my favorite feature of [TS]

01:06:14   mailboxes the idea that I can take an email and say show me that in a week [TS]

01:06:17   right and that's because I I really hate to see email in my inbox I like to be [TS]

01:06:25   able to clear it because it makes my mind for a bit clearer if when I go to [TS]

01:06:29   me that there's not one hundred things in there and there's some things are [TS]

01:06:33   just like well there is something in here that I need to do this person says [TS]

01:06:37   you know about this in July well I can then just set a thing which says on july [TS]

01:06:43   first bring us email back and that really works for me also as I could just [TS]

01:06:50   a way of like just get rid of this today cuz I'm not gonna do with us today I [TS]

01:06:55   don't wanna keep seeing it today show me later on that later and I quite like [TS]

01:06:59   that that was me and that is an element of a lot of people really really don't [TS]

01:07:05   like if using your emails like a task list but quite frequently my email inbox [TS]

01:07:10   is a task list and i also there's no way around that [TS]

01:07:14   yeah so I whilst I use on the focus like to try and never gave much to do things [TS]

01:07:21   like that there is still stuff in my email inbox which are tasks that need to [TS]

01:07:25   be completed so sometimes it's just easier for me to just be like ok I would [TS]

01:07:29   revisit asked how come back to it later [TS]

01:07:32   mailboxes have more stuff like allowing you to create lists and things like that [TS]

01:07:36   with the email but I also quite like the fact that you can [TS]

01:07:41   reorder emails while so bring that one down one up that was like mailbox I [TS]

01:07:48   always feel like email is its own separate universe when it comes to all [TS]

01:07:54   kinds of problems that are related to getting things done in organizing your [TS]

01:07:59   life and task management I've just always felt like email is is a as a [TS]

01:08:05   completely separate thing from that needs to be dealt with in its own way [TS]

01:08:09   and so I just feel like I've used broadly getting things done kind of [TS]

01:08:15   system but I've always ended up partially re-creating that within email [TS]

01:08:19   because it is just so self-contained and also so big that when you mentioned like [TS]

01:08:27   Oh send us email back to me in a month [TS]

01:08:29   my version of doing that is I have a folder called waiting for that any of [TS]

01:08:34   those oh I need to reply to this but not in any immediate time frame I put those [TS]

01:08:40   messages in there and then I just have a I have a listed them because it's a it's [TS]

01:08:44   too much overhead to then go into my regular task management program and say [TS]

01:08:49   oh create a task to reply to this because then in the future me then going [TS]

01:08:53   to need to search for that email you need some way to manage all of this [TS]

01:08:57   stuff is just it's such a big it's such a big thing but yes I am I my version of [TS]

01:09:01   that is just have a folder and I prefer to see all of those things there whereas [TS]

01:09:06   with something like mailbox I always have this feeling of how many males have [TS]

01:09:11   a boomerang to myself when are they gonna come back I don't know you can see [TS]

01:09:15   it now yes they have a listed as a little button you just press in the way [TS]

01:09:18   that their app is is navigated they have three buttons along the very top they [TS]

01:09:23   have a clock on a mountain in tray and then a tech and then the clock is the [TS]

01:09:27   snoozed email and the one in the middle the interest in box and then there's the [TS]

01:09:31   little tick which is the study of archived interesting interesting I [TS]

01:09:36   missed that that's better [TS]

01:09:38   my issue with what you're doing is like how do you know when any of those emails [TS]

01:09:44   need to be action on they just sit in this list and it's like you have to go [TS]

01:09:50   into the mall to find out when you're welcome [TS]

01:09:52   them yeah that's that's that is definitely the problem and so I do have [TS]

01:09:57   to review that every once in a while but you're the way of mailbox boomerang [TS]

01:10:03   something back he was much more precise presuming that you check your email [TS]

01:10:07   frequently you check it every day about the situation that I was in but yes but [TS]

01:10:13   this is what I mean it's like we're doing similar things in slightly [TS]

01:10:16   different ways and that's why it's just if the app fits your mind it's great [TS]

01:10:21   yeah that's why I'm not against those things but I just haven't found one that [TS]

01:10:25   fits my mind and that's why it's so difficult to suggest to somebody to use [TS]

01:10:31   a different email lab because it just doesn't gel with your way of thinking [TS]

01:10:35   it's never going to potentially we have reached the end of talking about email [TS]

01:10:42   thank God I was just about to ask please let us be over we we must be done [TS]

01:10:47   talking about email i think i think im not gonna say we're done forever but [TS]

01:10:52   we're at least done for now we're done forever now so I want it will talk about [TS]

01:10:59   your iPad a moment ago and I noticed that about some of the new iOS 9 [TS]

01:11:07   features so I assume you've installed the public paid her on your iPod yes we [TS]

01:11:13   discussed earlier episode that I was going to wait for the public beta and it [TS]

01:11:17   came out of nowhere was it a week ago two weeks ago and I immediately [TS]

01:11:22   installed it on my iPad because I want to check things out and I'm really [TS]

01:11:26   liking it so far I'm really liking it definitely feels like this is this is [TS]

01:11:31   the iPad focused iOS updates and since I'm a very heavy iPad user I am pretty [TS]

01:11:37   happy with with that have you installed on all counts [TS]

01:11:44   know Mike Dunn started on all of my iPad ok so i think is right about that [TS]

01:11:48   question is I know that it sounds like I am poking fun at you and there is a very [TS]

01:11:53   small but I'm surprised to hear that you haven't done it because now like they [TS]

01:11:59   are not the same like your your your iPad's now have different functionality [TS]

01:12:05   well partly why I put it on my iPad air too and that is because I want to be [TS]

01:12:11   able to test the feature that are most interesting to me which is to be able to [TS]

01:12:14   do the app side by side so you only have 1 I've had it yes I only have one here [TS]

01:12:20   to guide you can't blame me as being the crazy one here it's impossible for me to [TS]

01:12:27   know because you have so many of the only have one of each kind that I have I [TS]

01:12:33   don't have multiples of the same kind that a bridge too far so I just have the [TS]

01:12:39   one iPad air to install the public paid on that and I also knew that this was a [TS]

01:12:43   good time to do it because I was going to be traveling shortly and I only bring [TS]

01:12:47   one iPad with me when I travel so I was going to bring the iPad air too and so [TS]

01:12:53   that all this this is a good time because then I won't be switching back [TS]

01:12:57   and forth between devices and get frustrated with things and I can just I [TS]

01:13:01   can just try it out so that's that's what I have been doing that's my [TS]

01:13:03   situation that answer what you want to know about which iPads yeah I think so [TS]

01:13:07   yeah I know I am surprised that you don't have one in the case and wanting a [TS]

01:13:12   carrying case something gets lost but now I just need to do that now I haven't [TS]

01:13:20   no I haven't done that haven't done that yet the redundancy too far so the at [TS]

01:13:28   like the the multitasking features like being able to have two apps open a time [TS]

01:13:32   I see him that you're probably getting some use out of this because you use a [TS]

01:13:37   few of Apple's official app sorry because at the moment as we are where we [TS]

01:13:41   are today the only adds that this works with Apple's mobile applications where [TS]

01:13:47   later on third parties will be able to integrate this functionality and you'll [TS]

01:13:51   be able to use only focus and fantastical [TS]

01:13:54   yeah I'm really looking forward to the third party ones using it and I wanted [TS]

01:14:01   to play with it because it's just it's just different handling something that [TS]

01:14:05   thinking about it in a conceptual way to be able to be able to play with it in [TS]

01:14:09   person and say ok this is how it feels when you start to act together this is [TS]

01:14:13   what the size looks like right in front of my face you get a much better sense [TS]

01:14:17   of it than watching craig Venter et do a demo of it and wonder how it's also [TS]

01:14:21   useful to to understand the limitations of how it really works that when you see [TS]

01:14:26   a demo it's very easy for your brain to fill in a lot of details that then you [TS]

01:14:31   later on realize like oh it doesn't quite work like that or oh I just made [TS]

01:14:35   this assumption so I wanted to play with it just to get a much clearer sense [TS]

01:14:39   sooner about how potentially useful it can be and my answer is is very well [TS]

01:14:46   because I use a lot of third-party apps what I can actually do with it right now [TS]

01:14:51   is quite limited but the few times something has come up I thought oh this [TS]

01:14:55   is just great stuff I am say looking at something I know on a web page but I'm [TS]

01:15:00   also busy instant messaging with someone [TS]

01:15:03   man is it a relief to just have both of those on the screen instead of having to [TS]

01:15:07   constantly like flip back and forth to reply to the person I can just have the [TS]

01:15:11   ongoing conversation and keep doing what I'm doing like that is that is great [TS]

01:15:16   even just with the built-in apps so I'm a huge fan of that but by far and away [TS]

01:15:23   my favorite feature is that the all tab switcher is on the iPad is is just [TS]

01:15:33   glorious to me ever since I connected a keyboard to an iPad for the first time I [TS]

01:15:42   have I just constantly hit Alt Tab to switch between things and it does [TS]

01:15:46   nothing and it's always been infuriating that's not there on the iPad and this [TS]

01:15:51   works now and feel like God a relief because I'm a very very heavy keyboard [TS]

01:15:58   user I try to use the mouse [TS]

01:16:00   the least amount possible and so yes up on my regular computer I'm always just [TS]

01:16:05   alt tabbing between stuff I never use the mouse to switch applications and so [TS]

01:16:09   I am really happy that it's on the iPad I would I would upgrade to iOS 9 [TS]

01:16:15   immediately and they could charge 20 bucks for that upgrade if it only had [TS]

01:16:20   the all tab switch be like yes Tim Cook take my money [TS]

01:16:24   20 bucks just for the all tabs which are nothing else great this is the best iOS [TS]

01:16:27   update ever that and like the old tapping and like the Ave APT [TS]

01:16:36   side-by-side I think that they're they're definitely like you mentioned [TS]

01:16:39   before it makes things feel faster on the iPad like going from apt to apt at [TS]

01:16:44   like [TS]

01:16:45   and one of the things I've noticed as well I'm wondering if you've noticed [TS]

01:16:49   this you know when you click the girl that you could it would open another [TS]

01:16:53   application and it may do that thing where is like the appt went away and [TS]

01:16:57   likes pan around and here comes the next they have now replaces have just at [TS]

01:17:02   slides in from the side and it may I love that it makes so much faster and I [TS]

01:17:08   just want to point out before we carry on this is how was on Android that is [TS]

01:17:12   the animation before people mention that and also like the fact that there is [TS]

01:17:16   persistent back button now has an Android so they are good things have [TS]

01:17:21   come from a droid 2 it definitely helps because it doesn't feel like let me just [TS]

01:17:28   wait for you I paused for a moment while you spend some apps around especially [TS]

01:17:33   with some of the things like that we both use like bumps into pro which are [TS]

01:17:37   basically there to open up other applications sometimes you feel like [TS]

01:17:40   you're waiting for weeks whilst sustaining round and round and round [TS]

01:17:45   yeah this is a case where I bet that the slide over thing it might not actually [TS]

01:17:50   be any faster or just in significantly faster than the swap around application [TS]

01:17:56   but it just feels so much faster than watching them go like oh here you know [TS]

01:18:02   the one in the front goes to the back and the one in the back come to the [TS]

01:18:05   front you know maybe it's a tenth of a second or two tenths of a second [TS]

01:18:09   actually faster but something about that animation just feels so much faster and [TS]

01:18:14   the the good it's just a good user interface design and they took that from [TS]

01:18:19   Android Great Clips is really nice it is much much improved and as I also agree [TS]

01:18:25   that the label the back button at the top is very nice so when you go into a [TS]

01:18:30   different app at the at the top left of the screen it'll say like click to [TS]

01:18:34   return to Safari if if safari is where you were last that is also very nice it [TS]

01:18:39   definitely feels like moving around and switching between applications is vastly [TS]

01:18:44   vastly improved and you tried the picture-in-picture videos or I just [TS]

01:18:52   played around with it but no i i haven't done that is mainly because I don't tend [TS]

01:18:56   to watch video very much on my iPad so I haven't had a chance to really play with [TS]

01:19:01   that in person i just want to see that it worked and I was showing it off to my [TS]

01:19:06   wife and she heard all this is the greatest thing ever this moving around [TS]

01:19:09   video picture in picture thing but I haven't used it much myself I love it [TS]

01:19:14   but you can only use it with the videos out now right there is anything and [TS]

01:19:20   Safari interesting it's just it's fantastic like so I can be there might [TS]

01:19:27   be like say like this like a YouTube video something I want to watch but I'm [TS]

01:19:30   not like I don't need to be like super engrossed in like her like a let's play [TS]

01:19:36   and yes something long that you want in the background that is also primarily [TS]

01:19:41   audio content yeah all that just doesn't require a ton of attention or maybe I [TS]

01:19:48   can have that video playing and be reading Twitter at the same time and [TS]

01:19:53   it's like or one other thing I've been able to do is to be able to take notes [TS]

01:19:59   on a video which I do a lot right stuff and it's like this is just fantastic for [TS]

01:20:07   that because it it still enables you to have the focused and iPad gives you [TS]

01:20:13   because you can only see the video on the one application [TS]

01:20:16   and so it still allows me anyway to feel like I'm really focused on it using it [TS]

01:20:22   on my laptop which is like buzzing and bringing throwing things all over the [TS]

01:20:26   place so I really like that feature and I guess the last one i think is good for [TS]

01:20:33   you I love it to use to transit stuff transit maps yet because I haven't been [TS]

01:20:39   in London I haven't had a chance to use this directly but I did look at it and I [TS]

01:20:43   thought oh wow it's nice to see that for the major train stations they have you [TS]

01:20:47   exact entrances and exits labels that makes a huge difference because I mean [TS]

01:20:52   some of the stations like you go to you go to Kings Cross st. Pancras in London [TS]

01:20:57   I mean that's just like a massive to train stations interconnected with each [TS]

01:21:02   other big big problem and when map which show it as a single . it was just a lot [TS]

01:21:09   I going to that single dot you might be 20,000 minutes away from where you're [TS]

01:21:18   trying to go I think I think that's that's a really big deal and its I was [TS]

01:21:23   just looking at the train station that I know well and thinking yes they got they [TS]

01:21:26   got this exactly right and some of the tricky little details about you know [TS]

01:21:31   where we're entrances are awake and walk it looks like they have that they have a [TS]

01:21:35   really pat down I'd be curious know where they pulled that data from it [TS]

01:21:38   looks looks very useful especially for anybody getting around in a city that [TS]

01:21:42   they're not familiar with i genuinely think that that data comes from humans [TS]

01:21:46   has to it has to it's very limited the transit maps are only a handful of [TS]

01:21:53   cities except in China where as in every single one of them has apparently they [TS]

01:21:58   they have all this data like it's really easy to transit mapping and China [TS]

01:22:03   because they have one company that manages all of the data unlike some [TS]

01:22:08   other cities where you have to get it from a couple of different sources but I [TS]

01:22:12   think that a lot of this entrance and exit staff to me for only could be human [TS]

01:22:19   collected because otherwise Google would user like if it just came from under [TS]

01:22:23   like one of the [TS]

01:22:24   companies a whole system and licenses like the timing things like that trains [TS]

01:22:28   if they had this data than other people will think you're I think you're right I [TS]

01:22:34   think you're an apple might have just paid people to do it but this is [TS]

01:22:37   something like I use Google Maps and I really like Google Maps because Apple [TS]

01:22:41   maps can be kind of one key for me in certain areas but I look at it and now [TS]

01:22:46   I'm probably least in the meantime gonna switch to use it sometimes I want [TS]

01:22:52   directions on my watch because the integration with the ones is really good [TS]

01:22:56   but now might that transit stuff like that is fantastic i I really really like [TS]

01:23:02   their transit maps so I only have I was on my iPad right now I don't have but I [TS]

01:23:11   thinking that that would be something that I would use a lot of fun yeah I was [TS]

01:23:17   knocking install the public be damned iPhone especially while traveling and [TS]

01:23:20   the phone is to vital it doesn't mean I'm not going to definitely not going to [TS]

01:23:24   do that but on the iPad was it was fun to do in and fun to play around with so [TS]

01:23:29   big thumbs up from me for the iOS 9 beta so far I'm really liking it I was not [TS]

01:23:35   approved yes [TS]

01:23:37   all right we're gonna cut the show here I think we are indeed right because [TS]

01:23:41   we're not going to do [TS]

01:23:42   questions cuz you when I are actually going to record tomorrow and do a whole [TS]

01:23:49   bunch of questions because of the Traveling that I'm doing so in listener [TS]

01:23:53   time they were here as in a week but I am going to hear you in less than 24 [TS]

01:23:59   hours so excited [TS]

01:24:01   it is a thing that is happening [TS]