The Incomparable

219: Terrible Things for Awful Reasons


  the incomparable number 219 November 24 [TS]

  too [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

  Snell it's time for us can be another [TS]

  episode of old movie club where we watch [TS]

  an old movie I love this because i have [TS]

  seen so few old movies and I got to see [TS]

  two movies that I've never seen before [TS]

  they remodeled they are old [TS]

  joining me to discuss old movies [TS]

  steve lets you heard him I Steve [TS]

  ba-ba-boom pretty power Jason Valle boom [TS]

  bang pow zoom zoom mustache room back up [TS]

  our excellent that's yep that's pretty [TS]

  much it [TS]

  that was that was Steve Moustakas there [TS]

  with her [TS]

  thanks for the good from the old garage [TS]

  also joining us David lower happy [TS]

  shocktober happy m / erica and science [TS]

  also out there hi hello yeah I'm coming [TS]

  along like schools out what I'm doing [TS]

  all righty and the you you know him you [TS]

  love him he is the man behind the old [TS]

  movie club he makes us watch these [TS]

  movies against our will it is Philip [TS]

  Michaels hello I'm just filling out my [TS]

  bingo cart because I literally said when [TS]

  the Nick character appeared and kiss me [TS]

  deadly Steve's gonna make a comment [TS]

  about here i have a whole series of [TS]

  comments that i was going to make about [TS]

  Nick to what I side that is being said [TS]

  in la the first thing I thought is [TS]

  that's not Spanish what is he saying in [TS]

  his totally fake dialogue is literally a [TS]

  section of of my notes about 17 lines [TS]

  along this just vavavoom home people you [TS]

  how so [TS]

  um we should say we watched two movies [TS]

  they're both Fillmore's we watch kiss me [TS]

  deadly and out of the past [TS]

  yes filled you want to explain a little [TS]

  bit about why you picked these movies [TS]

  why God why would you do that [TS]

  well um i was gonna send kind of like [TS]

  these movies Jason but now you make me [TS]

  feel good no no I know about the last [TS]

  time we are we can be in the old movie [TS]

  club i was forced against my will by the [TS]

  powers of democracy to do a couple who [TS]

  these that I don't really care for well [TS]

  so this time I am i turn the old movie [TS]

  club into the benevolent dictatorship [TS]

  that it was born to be and pick stuff [TS]

  that I like and I am I i love detective [TS]

  movies i i i really enjoy movies where [TS]

  there's that the pretense of a mystery [TS]

  but mostly it's just about the detective [TS]

  going around and some slapping people [TS]

  around ya himself getting slapped around [TS]

  in the process never got that from [TS]

  tennis and boy do these movies offer [TS]

  that plenty of slapping to yeah yeah I [TS]

  believe that was the original title of [TS]

  miss you daddy was Mickey Spillane [TS]

  plenty of slapping yeah [TS]

  slap me hardly so shall we start the [TS]

  show we start with kiss me deadly let's [TS]

  let's is what's that one first okay i [TS]

  just finished watching that the way God [TS]

  intended it to be seen which is on my [TS]

  phone on youtube without that was [TS]

  graceful I watched it on an iPad needs [TS]

  to slap to just now I switch to a TV [TS]

  about a third of the way through because [TS]

  i thought this is ridiculous and then i [TS]

  also watched it on YouTube but did watch [TS]

  it on a TV yeah I watched it on my [TS]

  appletv well there you go i watch it on [TS]

  netflix DVD and i'm glad i did because [TS]

  then I could take the DVD out look at it [TS]

  and realize I really watch that movie so [TS]

  kids kiss me deadly based on Mickey [TS]

  Spillane novel kiss me comma deadly mhm [TS]

  i missed the comma they remove the comma [TS]

  from when they adapted the movie they [TS]

  settled at commons gotta go [TS]

  that's what happened to it doesn't [TS]

  translate well the film now so a little [TS]

  bit of background on how i came across [TS]

  this movie I watched it many many years [TS]

  ago I was as home alone at night I i [TS]

  said hey it's a detective movie it's a [TS]

  film noir I like those and uh watched it [TS]

  and dear god the ending and I am I don't [TS]

  wanna I don't want to put the cart [TS]

  before the horse here but that the [TS]

  ending is a little bit disturbing when [TS]

  you're home alone it at that [TS]

  uh I'm friday night at after midnight [TS]

  and that's the last image you see before [TS]

  bed nine and as it turns out i had [TS]

  actually seen the I that there's an [TS]

  edited version of the movie short yeah [TS]

  after it came out but they they cropped [TS]

  the ending so that significant chunks [TS]

  are missing that make you think oh my [TS]

  god what is happening at the end of this [TS]

  movie but again we're getting ahead of [TS]

  ourselves [TS]

  yeah so why don't we why don't we begin [TS]

  at the beginning the movie opens with a [TS]

  naked woman running down a deserted [TS]

  country road was just and some really [TS]

  really bad ADR yes which is how I the [TS]

  whole movie has that whole movie yes but [TS]

  i like most of my movies to start that [TS]

  way about the the ADR they're like that [TS]

  first scene all she's doing is like [TS]

  heavy breathing and panting it was like [TS]

  a bad 70s porn where they're too cheap [TS]

  to rent sound equipment on location ran [TS]

  really far and was very much out of [TS]

  breath which is why she's panting [TS]

  heavily through the first three minutes [TS]

  of the credits the whole credit again [TS]

  erica you you like movies that you like [TS]

  and I like movies that I like so fair [TS]

  enough i actually really dug that though [TS]

  I thought this you have the weirdest [TS]

  thing a man over the credits or I think [TS]

  yeah I think it sets it it sets a tone [TS]

  that and it's not just its necking cold [TS]

  with like the breathless sob [TS]

  accompaniment and well at we we should [TS]

  point out that the this naked lady a [TS]

  very young [TS]

  Cloris Leachman all the obviously she [TS]

  still sort of looks 80 years old she [TS]

  yeah she observes angles from certain [TS]

  angles but it'sit's young naked Cloris [TS]

  Leachman also at after she's picked up [TS]

  in the credits roll the credits roll [TS]

  from the bottom to the top so [TS]

  everything's like reading a reading a [TS]

  highway markings on the you know street [TS]

  markings where it's all upside down [TS]

  which i think is intentional yeah i know [TS]

  its centennial but because it's it says [TS]

  the car is driving so it sits down now [TS]

  deadly kiss me Mickey Spillane ok deval [TS]

  Frank by music yeah mhm which I need to [TS]

  point out music by Frank of all of Brady [TS]

  Bunch same family affair her the there [TS]

  yeah family affair as well but here is [TS]

  doing music for for picky spooning and [TS]

  it turns out that the first person chief [TS]

  lines on the hot well she could have [TS]

  other people could have driven past her [TS]

  and she could have dodged them but the [TS]

  first person who stops and and get the [TS]

  stick stuck in his wheel it just happens [TS]

  to be tough [TS]

  la private dick Mike Hammer chair does [TS]

  amazing and he gets it and end and early [TS]

  on he he is just I there's there's no [TS]

  way of saying this is just the world's [TS]

  biggest dick the other hand good because [TS]

  it is or otherwise [TS]

  yeah let me guess you went out with a [TS]

  guy who thought the no was a [TS]

  three-letter word yet [TS]

  yeah he is just unsympathetic to this [TS]

  naked panting terrified for her life [TS]

  woman yeah and then says I should just [TS]

  kick you out of the car [TS]

  yeah well admittedly after three minutes [TS]

  of the panting I wanted to leave the car [TS]

  and although she did it she did get him [TS]

  right [TS]

  she's like you're the kind of guy with [TS]

  appearance matters and nothing else and [TS]

  it's just your car and your muscles and [TS]

  all that i actually had him pegged yeah [TS]

  but so they drive for a bit and it turns [TS]

  out the cheese [TS]

  she's running from the loony bin mhm for [TS]

  reasons that we can't determine she's [TS]

  being pursued and all of a sudden the [TS]

  dudes who were pursuing that her catch [TS]

  up and torture her and beat up my camera [TS]

  and dump the bodies in the car and [TS]

  pushed off the side of the road to to [TS]

  make it look like a Oh terrific accident [TS]

  that will that will kill them both but [TS]

  but my camera lives [TS]

  D'Arnot mm turn helps probably heard is [TS]

  indeed and this is when we find out as [TS]

  he's being debriefed by his his pal the [TS]

  LA Police Lieutenant who looks a lot [TS]

  like former California Governor grave [TS]

  David yeah that's what is great Davis [TS]

  doing in this movie smoking always am [TS]

  also a quick question how do you get a [TS]

  tree branch the size of a shop broom [TS]

  wrapped around your axle it's [TS]

  complicated Steve cars in 52 very [TS]

  different you know the car was moving [TS]

  very fast and there was literally and he [TS]

  has a guy check it out cause it's [TS]

  pulling to the right so the guy at the [TS]

  at the filling station like leans [TS]

  forward and he pulls out like a mature [TS]

  poplar this was communist / still makes [TS]

  it all the way back to LA [TS]

  we just pulled out that tree and that [TS]

  was fine [TS]

  this was you know this is wrapped around [TS]

  your wheel and it one of my favorite [TS]

  early scenes of the movie is the the [TS]

  interview with all the federal [TS]

  investigators we're basically my camera [TS]

  doesn't say a word and there's just one [TS]

  guy answering all the questions about [TS]

  yeah my camera is and it turns out he's [TS]

  a very terrible person he's a Tae Hee [TS]

  does penny any divorce cases mostly and [TS]

  it involves basically him or his female [TS]

  assistant going and and setting up [TS]

  either the man or the woman or both and [TS]

  then did getting bribe money from them [TS]

  is in short a bedroom dick [TS]

  yes in every every sense of the word but [TS]

  I as it turns out and it ends with the [TS]

  with somebody demanding that someone how [TS]

  to open up a window as i recall which I [TS]

  thought was you have nice dreams anyway [TS]

  I'm sure you plan that absolutely [TS]

  as you know i'm quite the fan of 1776 [TS]

  good so I e my camera decides either out [TS]

  of a sense of I'm going to avenge the [TS]

  death of a poor naked Cloris Leachman [TS]

  more likely out of the sense that hmm [TS]

  this seems like a case that could lead [TS]

  to some such a little piece of a little [TS]

  piece of money for my camera also has [TS]

  mad because you know they wrecked his [TS]

  car and they also wrecked his car so [TS]

  yeah so he's out to find out who exactly [TS]

  was pursuing her and what for and that [TS]

  leads us on a twisted tale that would [TS]

  take me hours to to unravel here on the [TS]

  podcast [TS]

  suffice it to say we skip ahead a bit [TS]

  and there's lots of confrontations with [TS]

  a lot of thugs and a lot of colorful [TS]

  characters but it turns out that the [TS]

  thing everyone's after is what my camera [TS]

  is a lady friend so eloquently calls the [TS]

  the the whose it i believe for the [TS]

  whatsit the the great whatsit the great [TS]

  whatsit it's a it's a case and it when [TS]

  you open it it's very hot to the touch [TS]

  and it's glowing and oh it burns my [TS]

  cameras and the first time he tries to [TS]

  open it [TS]

  yeah I have a note that is my king my [TS]

  cameras going to get armed cancer [TS]

  this thing thank you brother deserves it [TS]

  yeah probably it's the words out one of [TS]

  the people that's been helping my camera [TS]

  all along is the roommate of the [TS]

  deceased Cloris Leachman shiza she's a [TS]

  mousy haired wave herself and and she [TS]

  smooches my camera whenever to [TS]

  everyone's is smooching my camera [TS]

  getting slapped by him in this movie [TS]

  it doesn't matter how long we've known [TS]

  if a woman sees him she basically walks [TS]

  up to him implants when running the [TS]

  kisser [TS]

  yeah again has so often happens you like [TS]

  the movies you like the movies I like so [TS]

  long story short they grabbed my [TS]

  camera's girl that the baddies and say [TS]

  hey you better give us that that that [TS]

  case and the UH my camera contrives a [TS]

  way to confront the confront the bad [TS]

  guys and it turns out that the the [TS]

  roommate of Cloris Leachman is in fact [TS]

  and I is spoiler alert it turns out that [TS]

  she's working with the baddies and she [TS]

  double crosses the baddies shoots the [TS]

  the insane doctor who quotes lots of [TS]

  mythology [TS]

  yes haha ahead up but we'll get to that [TS]

  a moment and she opens the box and [TS]

  unlike my camera who like opens it gets [TS]

  burton says I in open this any further [TS]

  she opens it all the way and burst into [TS]

  flames not my school bellick not unlike [TS]

  the Nazis in Raiders of the Lost guard [TS]

  as as Mike Hammer and his girlfriend [TS]

  flee flee the premises now in the ending [TS]

  that I saw originally the part where [TS]

  them they escaped to the to the beach [TS]

  outside of the beach house as it is [TS]

  engulfed in flames was cut and it just [TS]

  ends with the house bursting into flames [TS]

  and into a nuclear cloud as if the [TS]

  entire world has been destroyed by NASA [TS]

  by this by this phone you are and that's [TS]

  what made me originally see this movie [TS]

  and go oh my god what's happening there [TS]

  what I see I actually like that ending [TS]

  better because yeah it [TS]

  yeah it's a more chilling ended but in [TS]

  in the in the orig what turns out to be [TS]

  the original ending in the restored [TS]

  ending which was I think resurfaced [TS]

  about 1997 it has the the footage of [TS]

  them escaping into the sea and then [TS]

  looking back on the house as it is [TS]

  enveloped in a in a nuclear implosion [TS]

  and of course because this movie was [TS]

  made in 1995 55 it is obviously a a [TS]

  panicky movie about the Atomic Age and [TS]

  how and it presupposes that we're all [TS]

  going to be destroyed by the by the Big [TS]

  Bob so so there you go [TS]

  that that's the that's the most [TS]

  comprehensive and cohesive somebody [TS]

  gonna kiss me deadly yeah you'll ever [TS]

  get [TS]

  I throw to the floor for discussion yeah [TS]

  i was just going to say that that ending [TS]

  that they debate you added back in with [TS]

  them escaping to the beach and looking [TS]

  back up on the surface it might seem [TS]

  like it's a happier ending but really [TS]

  they're just gonna die very slowly and [TS]

  horribly from radiation poisoning just [TS]

  like anybody who's used the locker room [TS]

  where that thing was stored for the past [TS]

  how yeah how many weeks like all of [TS]

  those guys that poor club who not pretty [TS]

  well this this particular bit of nuclear [TS]

  fuel apparently only works when it's [TS]

  aimed at you know let's try possible [TS]

  that's a letterbox TV we live a block [TS]

  and if they offered in leather for most [TS]

  the time so everybody say it's an [TS]

  important installation when you go to [TS]

  the dentist that vest they put on you [TS]

  when you when they take your x-rays [TS]

  that's what i like and i love that best [TS]

  so heavy in comfy yet supposedly that [TS]

  attending the the just you know see [TS]

  everybody died in the house that was [TS]

  only the US version everywhere else [TS]

  around the country had the extra two [TS]

  minutes where everyone else where in the [TS]

  world have the extra minutes where there [TS]

  on the beach looking at the house and [TS]

  then say apparently was restored from [TS]

  you know that's how they knew that was [TS]

  the ending [TS]

  yeah you know Phil I I your your [TS]

  synopsis is fascinating to me because [TS]

  you did you did very much what I would [TS]

  do if I were to synopsize this movie [TS]

  which is there's a lot of detail at the [TS]

  beginning there's the end and then in [TS]

  the middle [TS]

  um lots of stuff happens there's they [TS]

  get my camera talks to [TS]

  people and goes to some places and I [TS]

  didn't really follow that and then they [TS]

  end up with the box and things explode [TS]

  and I looked on the wikipedia summary to [TS]

  try and get a better sense of the plot [TS]

  and realize that the author of the [TS]

  wikipedia some summary [TS]

  similarly threw up their hands and say [TS]

  well suffice to say that at the end [TS]

  there's a box and it blows up the mess [TS]

  be so here's the thing about film noir [TS]

  that I found her at least the the [TS]

  fillmore examples that I like it's not [TS]

  so much about the plot as it is about [TS]

  the the the characters that you meet [TS]

  along the way and two of my favorites in [TS]

  this movie are the two heavy sugar and [TS]

  oh whose jacket was Chuck masharawi [TS]

  yardley not really a small Harley max I [TS]

  was gonna say max sugar and sugar and [TS]

  Charlie Max who are these the if you I [TS]

  don't know if listeners know who Jack [TS]

  Elam is he is the character actor from [TS]

  the nineteen fifties and sixties and [TS]

  early seventies with with the eyes that [TS]

  went in five thousand directions as he [TS]

  was walking and he just in movies he [TS]

  just played a series of heavies but [TS]

  mostly it [TS]

  never fear some heavies just sort of [TS]

  heavies who were out of their depth and [TS]

  has been a lot of westerns and sergio [TS]

  leone's beginning Ryan's yes exactly he [TS]

  he cut most of his teeth in westerns by [TS]

  the early on in his career he he played [TS]

  the goon and a lot of movies and usually [TS]

  the goon that gets smacked around it is [TS]

  he the guy who Mike Hammer beats up in [TS]

  the alleyway I man throws down the [TS]

  stairs [TS]

  he's the one who acts up John sugar he's [TS]

  going back to you slowly and in the pool [TS]

  the quad a little pool now it's the boys [TS]

  that's a medical scene where you don't [TS]

  even see the guy get punch you just see [TS]

  his body drop yes that was my favorite [TS]

  action sequence of the whole thing and [TS]

  he's so scared that one of his eyes [TS]

  decides to point the other direction [TS]

  I just love how like you know the one [TS]

  guy approaches hammer and you don't see [TS]

  anything you don't even see emotion from [TS]

  hammer and just over some major [TS]

  obstacles backing up backing up like [TS]

  yeah what the hell was that the tip [TS]

  that's just the two great scenes where [TS]

  sugar gets the just first gets the crap [TS]

  beaten out of them and then gets [TS]

  murdered by my camera there are never [TS]

  shown on camera it's just Jackie limbs [TS]

  reaction yeah and you know for all that [TS]

  this is probably not my favorite film [TS]

  noir movie over there [TS]

  there's some some decent directorial [TS]

  touches like that I I appreciate that [TS]

  for sure [TS]

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  your website now I'm not a really a new [TS]

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  so I'm asking this in all honesty are [TS]

  the lead characters usually so awful I [TS]

  mean hammer is it is a terrible terrible [TS]

  mess and he's gonna be a stream I i [TS]

  would say not as awful but ready [TS]

  generally not morally let's say at best [TS]

  they're they're chaotic good i mean this [TS]

  is a guy who's being walked out of the [TS]

  hospital by his girlfriend sees two [TS]

  other girls passed by and says we look [TS]

  at all the goodies and that's kind of [TS]

  our introduction the first words out of [TS]

  his mouth is and on the scene on the [TS]

  steps as you walk in the hospital's like [TS]

  I never thought I'd smell that again [TS]

  smell what what yeah sidewalk be our [TS]

  yeah I do want to say a few kind words [TS]

  about Ralph Meeker who plays plays my [TS]

  camera I think that this is this is the [TS]

  best thing he's ever done [TS]

  he just throws himself into that role [TS]

  with with relish he is great in that [TS]

  part because he is not trying to be no [TS]

  nice guy he is he is he is a jerk and he [TS]

  embraces it there there's a scene where [TS]

  he uh basically hides from a guy that [TS]

  he's trying to outwit any out with some [TS]

  quite easily and the guy discovers them [TS]

  and and and Ralph maker just smiles [TS]

  because he knows it's beaten time it's [TS]

  time to slap you [TS]

  he slaps around an old man at that [TS]

  athletic club oh it's great and he takes [TS]

  back the money he was going to bribe it [TS]

  with that's that's the best part [TS]

  exactly well it's either you get broader [TS]

  you get slapped a mac i chose slap I [TS]

  have a note that don't ask my camera for [TS]

  more money just at no point asking for [TS]

  more money and never put your hands near [TS]

  drool he made you an offer he did [TS]

  looks like he's having fun i wouldn't do [TS]

  that looks like he's enjoying the role [TS]

  but i cant send pic particularly enjoyed [TS]

  the performance although i've never seen [TS]

  Ralph maker in anything else that I can [TS]

  call to mind so maybe i will agree that [TS]

  this is his best role I think he takes [TS]

  this really awful character and somehow [TS]

  makes him less awful get you i really [TS]

  can't condone that my camera character [TS]

  in this but it you don't completely hate [TS]

  him by the end at least I don't just [TS]

  simply because he does appear to be [TS]

  enjoying himself [TS]

  I'll get a real real Nicholson vibe from [TS]

  the middle of places maybe yeah yeah [TS]

  underneath nerving grin that he has but [TS]

  I think that's true this is very much I [TS]

  I think you can draw a little dotted [TS]

  line between this in chinatown he gave [TS]

  me are kind of like a christopher [TS]

  mcdonald kind of i've actually I thought [TS]

  you know if these voices are is a dead [TS]

  ringer actually for Kent Mansley and the [TS]

  iron yeah it when it's it's interesting [TS]

  is he was the other thing is probably [TS]

  most famous for is doing the play picnic [TS]

  on stage and he anyone awards for that [TS]

  and then he got my camera and then that [TS]

  was kind of it turns your career killer [TS]

  huh [TS]

  but yeah you know it's it's kind of [TS]

  interesting i I don't know about his you [TS]

  know how he saw the character but i know [TS]

  have the screenwriters saw this he did [TS]

  not care for splain or for the book and [TS]

  he just he just had fun and and his [TS]

  contempt shows it's wonderful explain [TS]

  clearly did not care much for him as [TS]

  anything you're not happy you know [TS]

  yeah this this movie at the what was [TS]

  weird to me i was expecting a fairly [TS]

  straightforward noir and at the end the [TS]

  last note i had was okay that was a trip [TS]

  and it wasn't you it wasn't just the [TS]

  nuclear waste thing although that was [TS]

  incredibly insane [TS]

  there were all sorts of bits in there [TS]

  that just maybe they were almost [TS]

  hallucinatory yeah I think it's because [TS]

  we're in the fifties here and we're [TS]

  getting towards the end of a sort of the [TS]

  the noir period so I think maybe they [TS]

  were trying to just went up themselves [TS]

  at this point but I mean even as even as [TS]

  a movie other than water there were so [TS]

  many just weird things like starting [TS]

  with the sobs over the credits and [TS]

  and i mean the the office has a ballet [TS]

  bar and a stripper pole in it and then [TS]

  there's always things that are sort of [TS]

  they feel like they shouldn't be in 1955 [TS]

  but apparently they were like the the in [TS]

  wall answering machine surreal to road [TS]

  the answering machine was amazing [TS]

  that's gonna learn that the first pi/2 [TS]

  have an answering machine in film and TV [TS]

  and it's amazing even the leave your [TS]

  message at the sound of the tone [TS]

  outgoing messages intact in 1955 yeah [TS]

  and it was a nice Tony really great tone [TS]

  and I was impressed with the tone i love [TS]

  to others there's always kind of a [TS]

  presumably unintentional product [TS]

  placement I mean there's there's seven [TS]

  up there's Pabst Blue Ribbon their [TS]

  standard oil is chevron there's there's [TS]

  something else near the garage [TS]

  Karl the one of the main bad guys know I [TS]

  love izod shirt haha yeah in 1955 which [TS]

  is how you know he's evil [TS]

  the only product placement i noticed was [TS]

  totally not actual product placement but [TS]

  one of the guys was named trivago the [TS]

  italian opera singer fellow and a whole [TS]

  I could think of was that disheveled guy [TS]

  from the hotel commercials and that I [TS]

  think is my favorite Ralph maker moment [TS]

  when he goes to confront the opera [TS]

  singer and and and stumbles upon his [TS]

  record collection goes hey this is a [TS]

  nice record-smashing shame if something [TS]

  happened to it might be just amazing and [TS]

  have to do that either they're not [TS]

  really no reason to push that guy right [TS]

  camera i had that demo with him where he [TS]

  goes to the house and the and the pretty [TS]

  blonde Marilyn Monroe type is like it [TS]

  she's like very interested in him and [TS]

  then like oh come on inside and we'll go [TS]

  let's go to the pool and all that and [TS]

  and it's like this is so bizarre like [TS]

  this would not what is happening what am [TS]

  I seeing why would she behaved this way [TS]

  and that the the thing that really [TS]

  killed me is when he goes into the the [TS]

  little of the little house where he [TS]

  drops the guy off camera she looks at [TS]

  the at the guys around the pool is like [TS]

  I figured why not what [TS]

  and she's the one that she's the one [TS]

  who's never seen him before he drives it [TS]

  all gets out of the car she immediately [TS]

  kisses immediately genus car she should [TS]

  you don't dislike anyone I know [TS]

  oh my god here is our [TS]

  and on top of that you've got the [TS]

  performance of the girl who plays Lily [TS]

  Carver who is either a wonderful or a [TS]

  terrible actor i really need but her [TS]

  performance is so insane I mean she's [TS]

  completely unhinged [TS]

  mhm Lily Carver we should mention is the [TS]

  is the lady who secretly working with [TS]

  the baddest yesterday not really the [TS]

  roommate who was actually fished out of [TS]

  the bay several weeks pre-ride we find [TS]

  out let that's actually a nice [TS]

  comeuppance for for a hammer in a way [TS]

  where he is detective friend governor [TS]

  gray davis is like oh yeah Mr private [TS]

  dick if you talk to the police you know [TS]

  she was dead weeks ago and i like that [TS]

  was really matter what if there and [TS]

  think about his girl that was a good kid [TS]

  that's a healthy relationship [TS]

  oh yeah velda ms/ms I'm always glad when [TS]

  you're in trouble because you always [TS]

  come to me that's healthy yeah well I [TS]

  less said about that the better know is [TS]

  that seen her wear it the police [TS]

  detective really puts puts my camera [TS]

  street i think is fun it is Howard to [TS]

  know that he's this is not know nice guy [TS]

  if you thought we were being ambivalent [TS]

  about how we felt about my camera know [TS]

  he's terrible he deserves everything [TS]

  that happened to him [TS]

  you know i'm pretty sure he's a [TS]

  sociopath yes yeah I think maybe so but [TS]

  so are we are we are we just gonna not [TS]

  talk about Nick have we don't know why [TS]

  I'm waiting for it i'm wade working up [TS]

  to it i have in my notes that just like [TS]

  you you know how you make a walk-on [TS]

  character more interesting [TS]

  you just make a mess Nick give me a cute [TS]

  little accent wha instant character you [TS]

  know we've got the Greek getty and if [TS]

  you really want to make a married man [TS]

  memorable make him the most ethnic [TS]

  person of all time he is literally [TS]

  listed in the imd credits as no I among [TS]

  ethnic haha yeah his actual last name [TS]

  was papadatos la colombe right now [TS]

  because you know that everyone was movie [TS]

  if you've watched this movie you know [TS]

  what you were talking about if you [TS]

  haven't let us warning [TS]

  about yes nick is nick is my cameras [TS]

  only friend hey my camera picture God [TS]

  without doing a guy from Star Wars [TS]

  Episode one now but it's basically the [TS]

  same guy he's basically he's Greek is [TS]

  necessarily well with elegant but yeah [TS]

  sure I guess maybe surprisingly separate [TS]

  he fixes my cameras car when the bad [TS]

  guys like get my camera car that's wired [TS]

  with explosives heat he gets in the car [TS]

  like a child and I gotta gonna start the [TS]

  car mr. mr. hammerstine just blithely [TS]

  Yanks out the couple of sticks of [TS]

  dynamite the I really constitute a [TS]

  sophisticated car Bob and 19 and tucks [TS]

  it into his breast pocket and stuff do [TS]

  you notice how my camera is like [TS]

  standing slightly away from the card [TS]

  says go ahead Nick open the hood look [TS]

  good [TS]

  no I'm the other side I keep you not [TS]

  getting anywhere letting his quote [TS]

  unquote friends take that for india [TS]

  around he came on-screen i flashed back [TS]

  to pixar's cars and just went feet stop [TS]

  yeah yeah that's about right and in [TS]

  fairness to my camera he gets very sad [TS]

  when when Nick guys okay so this is the [TS]

  thing that made me laugh the most in the [TS]

  entire movie is he my camera and nick [TS]

  have a conversation later in the movie [TS]

  and then he says neck look I can't I [TS]

  can't finish talking to you now but i'll [TS]

  be back I'll see you later I thought oh [TS]

  my god nick is gonna die and the next [TS]

  shot is the guy turning the jack off on [TS]

  the car crushing Nick to death am I [TS]

  guess II never promised a future [TS]

  conversation with a character because [TS]

  that means they're about to die [TS]

  oh no my mustache oh yeah but they [TS]

  killed Nick Nick that's a spicymeatball [TS]

  may commit the ball [TS]

  oh don't worry and it's not like he's [TS]

  the only one because you've got the [TS]

  Italian moving man and the Irish [TS]

  landlord it just goes on but it's funny [TS]

  that the Nick performance is so over the [TS]

  top that the bartender when he's [TS]

  describing Nick laters as novel haha he [TS]

  says he's xu [TS]

  you there even make it fun of it in film [TS]

  the other the other character i think [TS]

  that deserves a special call out is is [TS]

  dr. Kennedy whose the corner that my [TS]

  camper [TS]

  it's the crowd yeah sighs I realize I [TS]

  need to specify when I say my camera [TS]

  beats the crap out of someone that could [TS]

  be any one of it as your captors but he [TS]

  he find some evidence on the body of [TS]

  Cloris Leachman and my camera once it [TS]

  and my camera's pays him for it and the [TS]

  doctor so hot that he's this mouthy [TS]

  little fellow I'm not going to give it [TS]

  to you and then my camera slams his hand [TS]

  into a true or a couple of times and I I [TS]

  that scene makes me giggle I don't want [TS]

  because the first of all it's funny that [TS]

  he just kind of let anybody any random [TS]

  guy off the street wandering and check [TS]

  out the steps [TS]

  well whatever zooms that as a private [TS]

  detective my camera knows his way around [TS]

  the the coroner's office of of Los [TS]

  Angeles surely this fellow is run across [TS]

  my camera that and should know better [TS]

  hmm indeed but yeah I love the bit where [TS]

  he's a mic is sort of working out the [TS]

  whole remember me Sonic thing which [TS]

  basically everybody saw coming miles and [TS]

  miles away and and as he's describing as [TS]

  he's kind of working it out the [TS]

  coroner's just smiling and nodding like [TS]

  I already know this [TS]

  yes cut to the chase if if you hit it is [TS]

  just got there eventually nice get to [TS]

  the part where you offer me money [TS]

  skip the part where you slam my hand [TS]

  into the drawer couple of dozen times [TS]

  and I scream in agony [TS]

  well somebody's screaming it's not him [TS]

  it's it's all the bad ad origin my [TS]

  camera's face when he does that though [TS]

  he smiles yeah most disturbing gleaning [TS]

  he's sadistic in this [TS]

  yeah I mean of all of all the my camera [TS]

  things I've seen over the years this [TS]

  might be my favorite adaptation because [TS]

  it's the only one that really captures [TS]

  how just kind of stupid and brutish and [TS]

  sociopathic he is [TS]

  oh yeah Alex it's it's quite something I [TS]

  am NOT a Mickey Spillane fan and I don't [TS]

  really care for for the my camera [TS]

  character over and I don't care for his [TS]

  books but I [TS]

  enjoy this adaptation because it gets to [TS]

  the heart of this is this is this is [TS]

  terrible man [TS]

  yeah it does terrible things and he's a [TS]

  terrible man he does Terry doesn't even [TS]

  do right things for terrible reason as [TS]

  terrible things for awful reason yeah [TS]

  well I will say this though he doesn't [TS]

  open up the he doesn't open up the box [TS]

  in the locker room and kill everybody [TS]

  and yeah I'm good I'm good on you [TS]

  my camera yeah he's like well I don't [TS]

  understand this weird science thing i'm [TS]

  closing today I just close that if I [TS]

  were you will just be regular in the [TS]

  locker in a lot i'm sure it'll be safe [TS]

  that we have to get no money or fame for [TS]

  this if I die [TS]

  yeah so I hate the creepy chick took off [TS]

  wonder where she went well [TS]

  driving on the other thing that [TS]

  fascinates me about this movie is the [TS]

  director robert aldrich and if you look [TS]

  at this filmography it is it is like the [TS]

  hometown buffet of movies he's just pick [TS]

  he does every every dang thing one can [TS]

  do we did the dirty dozen he did a hush [TS]

  hush sweet Charlotte and whatever [TS]

  happened to Baby Jane and the longest [TS]

  yard and the Frisco kid and what do [TS]

  these movies have in common [TS]

  well they were all shot on film they use [TS]

  doctors [TS]

  yes he did for for texas which it is a [TS]

  terrible terrible Frank Sinatra Dean [TS]

  Martin movie know anyhow it down a [TS]

  little more well you know how dare you [TS]

  we know this movie did have though this [TS]

  movie did have a lot of shots of pets on [TS]

  pillows i don't know if you guys noticed [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah hello dog in a pillow some other [TS]

  shots they can depend on the cat the cat [TS]

  was like in the answering service which [TS]

  I really i love that that was a really [TS]

  absurd moment we called the doctor and [TS]

  the doctor is not available in the lady [TS]

  at the answering service is like well I [TS]

  don't know what to tell you he's not [TS]

  available I'm like this is the most why [TS]

  do you even have an answering service if [TS]

  they don't do anything but say no sorry [TS]

  he's not here he might make a Yeti job [TS]

  but so that's all [TS]

  like what about thank you for that [TS]

  interesting piece of information answer [TS]

  service lady but the best part is that [TS]

  then she's got that cat perched above [TS]

  her like the cat is also answering calls [TS]

  or something and he [TS]

  that was the previous model answering [TS]

  Michelle before the real real in-wall [TS]

  model [TS]

  yeah was a cat based approach instead of [TS]

  a lovely tone like is it was hell yeah [TS]

  this is a weird movie [TS]

  yeah couple more bits of insanity in the [TS]

  movie i like this the the sleeping pills [TS]

  that immediately knock the gap that's [TS]

  totally how that works line as he can [TS]

  avoid getting worked over best defense [TS]

  ever i'm going to keep sleeping pills in [TS]

  my house and case i'm gonna get hassled [TS]

  that's crazy to see chug this is [TS]

  sleeping potion and he starts snoring [TS]

  just before my camera can work him over [TS]

  so he's not awake for the beatings just [TS]

  a good call renounce can be handsome and [TS]

  smart ya know hehe read up on my [TS]

  cameraman my camera can hit you if [TS]

  you're sleepy nope that's harder than a [TS]

  sect of sketches code [TS]

  well I was expecting oh he's committing [TS]

  suicide you know this is this is like [TS]

  that yeah that's what I'm not able [TS]

  sleeping pills no he's just taking a nap [TS]

  yep I thought he was gonna start foaming [TS]

  at the mouth instead he starts snoring [TS]

  he's fairly certain my camera's got a [TS]

  short attention span it will be gone [TS]

  well I have to say this is the best [TS]

  movie I've ever watched on YouTube it's [TS]

  also the only movie i've ever watched on [TS]

  youtube so features but there's a line [TS]

  in in here and i'm going to read it that [TS]

  it gets by one of the villains Carl who [TS]

  he calls up to threaten my camera and [TS]

  and I think it basically sums up the the [TS]

  film noir experience in a way and it's [TS]

  what what does it matter that your work [TS]

  has been interrupted your correct your [TS]

  life has been ruffled to to put it [TS]

  mildly [TS]

  if you would not stop to pick up [TS]

  Christina not any of these things would [TS]

  have happened and and i think that's a [TS]

  that's a that's a beautiful little of [TS]

  summation of the of the Mike Hammer [TS]

  experience and kiss me deadly a [TS]

  suggestion then is that he run over in [TS]

  the middle of this well then why do we [TS]

  get out of character why did you stop [TS]

  idiot [TS]

  you shouldn't have stopped well had [TS]

  amateur popular in my god how there is [TS]

  that alleged wedge the real i had a tree [TS]

  that I wiggled into a kayak [TS]

  lord I you know I enjoy this movie very [TS]

  much i disturbing any notwithstanding [TS]

  that freak the hell out of me [TS]

  many many years ago i think it's it's an [TS]

  unusual movie i think it it holds up [TS]

  well over time I enjoy Ralph makers [TS]

  performance as unhinged as it is I i [TS]

  think it's beautifully shot and your [TS]

  thumb and I i get the sense that i'm [TS]

  going to be voted down here but dammit [TS]

  I'm right you know in fact now i like i [TS]

  like this movie too although it's got [TS]

  the same problem that i have with a lot [TS]

  of the film Noirs and including out of [TS]

  the past which we're going to talk about [TS]

  which is it is atmospheric and [TS]

  interesting and I like the setup and [TS]

  then the plot kicks in and there's like [TS]

  a half an hour where I could swear that [TS]

  I may have had some sort of event where [TS]

  I've completely lost what has happened [TS]

  in half and it's good that is a fair [TS]

  city no idea and then the end comes on [TS]

  like oh well cool things are happening I [TS]

  don't really know why but it seems cool [TS]

  okay the end and there's a portion where [TS]

  they just throw all these names at you [TS]

  ran some of which you never find out [TS]

  anything about like the guy both these [TS]

  movies my wife turned moves like this [TS]

  was this a double-cross them like I [TS]

  guess I I don't know I'd no idea at this [TS]

  point in the history of film noir that's [TS]

  kind of not surprising because you had [TS]

  like the big sleep is one of the sort of [TS]

  bigger film noir and in that film it was [TS]

  is running long so you had Howard Hawks [TS]

  actually taking scenes out of the film [TS]

  and they were a lot of the scenes that [TS]

  actually made the plot make centuries to [TS]

  see just to see if they could actually [TS]

  still have a hit because of the main [TS]

  characters and and and whether or not [TS]

  people like it and that is apparently a [TS]

  classical them not sure I understand why [TS]

  so yeah they were able to do that you [TS]

  can carve out huge parts of the plot [TS]

  plot doesn't matter so much when you've [TS]

  got enough atmosphere in a way that are [TS]

  six fun to watch and and even in the [TS]

  book of The Big Sleep [TS]

  you know it people kept asking Chandler [TS]

  will have what about this guy who died [TS]

  who killed him like I don't know [TS]

  ya know I I senior call Howard Hawks [TS]

  called up having Chandler to ask yes yes [TS]

  and a what happens here you got me pal [TS]

  I left as an exercise for the reader ya [TS]

  know I have to say I mean I this is this [TS]

  is one of my favorite film Noirs so you [TS]

  are by no means alone you and me lor [TS]

  yeah i just i i i actually it can laugh [TS]

  at all that i may not like me even Nick [TS]

  the Greek mechanic i am ia just made me [TS]

  laugh right you're locked room and show [TS]

  respect it's so far over the top and the [TS]

  end the same with the with the woman at [TS]

  the at the pool party where she's like [TS]

  kissing him and and all that right like [TS]

  when she sees him it's like okay about [TS]

  you I i found that amusing on on a level [TS]

  so yeah I actually and enjoyed it quite [TS]

  a bit except for the part where I was [TS]

  scratching my head going ok I don't know [TS]

  what is happening now but let's just [TS]

  assume that my cameras up to no good and [TS]

  these drugs are gonna beat him up and I [TS]

  just shrugged Mike I don't [TS]

  and seriously the read the wikipedia [TS]

  summary it's like literally the first 10 [TS]

  minutes of the movie and then the end [TS]

  and in between there like I don't know [TS]

  and then eventually this happens so it [TS]

  turns out turns out is there's a box [TS]

  ok I didn't think this was too bad to [TS]

  follow it the first time I didn't [TS]

  obviously but after some pausing and in [TS]

  some diagrams and charts and what about [TS]

  what happened every time I you two [TS]

  arrows boxes and so forth subscription [TS]

  to do I didn't have a huge problem [TS]

  following it i just i think for all of [TS]

  the things you mentioned Jason that are [TS]

  over-the-top I that made me not so much [TS]

  like I think once you get past about [TS]

  1952 my interest in film sort of starts [TS]

  to fall off pretty drastically and this [TS]

  fits right into that it just it they're [TS]

  trying different things and sometimes it [TS]

  works and most of the time it doesn't [TS]

  and just gets weirder and this this [TS]

  falls into that weird it's weird that [TS]

  doesn't do it for me [TS]

  we should mention its influence because [TS]

  this is obviously the influence on repo [TS]

  man and pulp fiction right the right [TS]

  yeah MacGuffin with that the glowing on [TS]

  the inside [TS]

  no although in this they actually [TS]

  explain what it is yeah i know it is [TS]

  much better and sorta yeah it's an [TS]

  isotope I can't they don't work this way [TS]

  but I'm sure whatever your nuclear fuel [TS]

  cells don't work like that you know [TS]

  we're sleeping pills but it's Marsellus [TS]

  Wallace's soul [TS]

  sure i liked it i will say this for it [TS]

  it was not boring yep and almost every [TS]

  other noir I've ever seen [TS]

  there's at least a 30-minute period [TS]

  where I'm ready to drift off and this [TS]

  did not happen yeah that's exactly what [TS]

  the screenwriter said to when they said [TS]

  you know what does this mean what'd he [TS]

  do why did you do this is it didn't care [TS]

  i just want to have fun every scene has [TS]

  to have something funny going on and [TS]

  something that you're interested in like [TS]

  a cat and ya know you and I feel a [TS]

  little filthy having seen this film [TS]

  especially the bits where peace pimping [TS]

  out Delta oh yeah unless we all just [TS]

  have to be happy in the knowledge that [TS]

  two years later my camera died of armed [TS]

  cancer and that would be and so on [TS]

  during the apocalypse I think apparently [TS]

  but yeah mm got home Bob [TS]

  well I i do enjoy that the doctor in the [TS]

  the one the one on camera seen that he [TS]

  has it is like I know it's Pandora's by [TS]

  heat like quotes like four different [TS]

  yes four different mythological or thing [TS]

  we get it you you studied humanities in [TS]

  addition to becoming a scientist the [TS]

  best part of that is the fact that that [TS]

  that he's got this very important piece [TS]

  of information to convey to Gabrielle / [TS]

  lily which is don't open the bottom of [TS]

  the box i know yet i say to you as if i [TS]

  am all of sarah said you're not getting [TS]

  through paypal he has the time to get [TS]

  all of that out there she's I'm he's got [TS]

  his priorities in line and with with all [TS]

  of the amazingly sexist things in this [TS]

  movie I actually found that seemed the [TS]

  most sexist because that doctor is [TS]

  talking to her literally like she's like [TS]

  not even a child like she just cannot [TS]

  understand being a woman and knowing [TS]

  your place you don't understand these [TS]

  complicated things and I'm sitting there [TS]

  thinking Lily she's got the gun guy [TS]

  she's probably got one over on you here [TS]

  but he has no idea this particular woman [TS]

  though clearly is addled in some way [TS]

  based on the way she act she's playing [TS]

  dumb through most of the film and then [TS]

  it's only at the very end that she kept [TS]

  her voice even change when she pulls out [TS]

  the gun and I think maybe he was just a [TS]

  little too wrapped up in his own [TS]

  pontifications to notice [TS]

  she had switched so the graphic I don't [TS]

  know I'm ontological rate up nuts at the [TS]

  way she turns on a dime and she's like [TS]

  afraid and then she wants to kiss on [TS]

  hammer and also she opens the box at the [TS]

  end which is crazy she opens a real wide [TS]

  and she keeps opening it [TS]

  Mary Martin peter out for the part of [TS]

  Peter Pan she never got over them yeah [TS]

  clearly what's like the scene with the [TS]

  landlord killed me just because you know [TS]

  hammers talking to the landlord and the [TS]

  landlord's wife is right there and she [TS]

  keeps repeating everything and finally [TS]

  hammer just says tell it to shut up and [TS]

  this long pause and then the labor goes [TS]

  shut up why is that even here all right [TS]

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  incomparable we also watched out of the [TS]

  past will do you want to explain out of [TS]

  the past to us [TS]

  oh I don't think I could uh huh well so [TS]

  well Robert Mitchum is in its so out of [TS]

  the pass we we start in any town USA [TS]

  which is bridgeport California report [TS]

  California's right on the other side of [TS]

  the Sierra Nevadas new the Nevada border [TS]

  exactly hundred miles from where I grew [TS]

  up to the mile small mountain town [TS]

  yep and Robert Mitchum is running a gas [TS]

  station they have of course but he's not [TS]

  really a gas station attendant is he [TS]

  Jason he's not and it's not that's not [TS]

  even his real name [TS]

  no he's a man with those asked what ya [TS]

  know seriously and someone comes from [TS]

  out of his past you to all who ought to [TS]

  uh [TS]

  bring him back into I don't know anyhow [TS]

  he's cruising along the 395 as you do [TS]

  yeah joe mr. job yes so John missed it [TS]

  one of his old associates uh stumbles [TS]

  across this gas station and says oh boy [TS]

  oh boy [TS]

  hey I finally found you a there's [TS]

  there's a guy who wants to meet you and [TS]

  that's when licks his cigarette a deaf [TS]

  kid so yeah always a bad yeah yes I [TS]

  Robert Mitchum is assistant at the gas [TS]

  station we should point out is a very [TS]

  helpful deaf kid which will come in [TS]

  handy later and help me Hester yeah [TS]

  which will also kind of the movie yeah [TS]

  spoiler alert um so Robert Mitchum has [TS]

  to go see a guy and he gets the girl [TS]

  that he's sweet on in town to drive him [TS]

  up there and he basically tells her his [TS]

  life story which he's been hiding up [TS]

  until this point and so we start off as [TS]

  very nearly as awkward incidentally as [TS]

  the two-hour description to franklin [TS]

  delano roosevelt and happened James yeah [TS]

  if it is this is the thing about half of [TS]

  the past it begins with a guy narrating [TS]

  a flashback that goes on forever about [TS]

  40 minutes adding into some detail about [TS]

  his past love that doesn't necessarily [TS]

  need to be brought up so we discover [TS]

  that instead of being a kindly gas [TS]

  station attendant he used to be a [TS]

  hard-bitten private eye and he was hired [TS]

  at one point by Kirk Douglas to hunt [TS]

  down a coveted shot Kirk Douglas and [TS]

  made off with forty thousand dollars of [TS]

  his money which was quite a bit of money [TS]

  in 1947 and so he chases her down to [TS]

  Mexico [TS]

  and in the process of doing so falls in [TS]

  love with her which is pretty not a [TS]

  really good plan again spoiler well [TS]

  we're told they fall in love [TS]

  I don't think we ever see it but we'll [TS]

  get to that in a moment anyhow Kirk [TS]

  Douglas shows up in Mexico and robert [TS]

  mitchum decide say this is a this is [TS]

  about the time that i make like I [TS]

  couldn't find her and me in the me and [TS]

  the new mrs. we we live off 44 points [TS]

  north while telling telling Kirk Douglas [TS]

  that she must have escaped down south so [TS]

  they go and they run into Robert Mitchum [TS]

  is old partner who ends up following [TS]

  them and is going to blackmail them and [TS]

  it's at that point that the that the [TS]

  lady friend who's played by jane greer [TS]

  shoots Robert mentions partner and [TS]

  that's when they split up and robert [TS]

  mitchum begins his new life as the gas [TS]

  station attendant in in bridgeport well [TS]

  hehe i guess he be [TS]

  he hides the body or berry berry is the [TS]

  bonding and and that brings us back to [TS]

  present-day and out of the past [TS]

  yes we ran out of the ground and into [TS]

  the present and we shine up there we we [TS]

  we arrived at Kirk Douglases Lake Tahoe [TS]

  mansion which has a lovely few and it [TS]

  turns out that no Jane Greer is now back [TS]

  with with kirk douglas and Kirk Douglas [TS]

  has a favor that he's going to ask [TS]

  robert mitchum to do and Robert mentions [TS]

  gotta do it because well you kind of [TS]

  dropped the ball and that whole finding [TS]

  this girl thing and falling in love with [TS]

  her and uh betrayed my trust and the job [TS]

  that Kirk Douglas has is I'm a horrible [TS]

  tax cheat and you've got to go find the [TS]

  the books that I've been keeping [TS]

  separately before they fall into the [TS]

  hands of the Internal Revenue Service [TS]

  and get those books for me and we'll [TS]

  just call it square and robert mitchum [TS]

  knows that he's being set up and indeed [TS]

  he is because not only uh does the the [TS]

  tax lawyer get murdered the books are [TS]

  a made off with and they're gonna be [TS]

  sent to kirk douglas but because Robert [TS]

  Mitchum sort of knows that he's being [TS]

  set up he gets the the phone ebooks [TS]

  first and he's able to strike a deal [TS]

  with the with Kirk Douglas where it's [TS]

  basically hey you [TS]

  you uh you don't duh get me in trouble [TS]

  for that that partner of mine that got [TS]

  shot we send Jane Greer up the river and [TS]

  and and now we call it square well Jane [TS]

  Greer doesn't like that so much so so [TS]

  she plugs Kirk Douglas she's gonna [TS]

  decide to start a new with Robert [TS]

  Mitchum robert mitchum besides that's [TS]

  not going to be good so I tips off the [TS]

  cops that they're they're coming and it [TS]

  they died in a hail of gunfire at the [TS]

  end of the movie and Robert Mitchum is [TS]

  somewhat redeemed for his a horrible [TS]

  choices in life and again that's the [TS]

  500-yard view this is the problem with [TS]

  filming where I realize this about five [TS]

  seconds before this podcast began I'm [TS]

  gonna have to summarize these plots yeah [TS]

  and it is like describing a game of [TS]

  chess when you thought it was a game of [TS]

  checkers [TS]

  so I open it up to the floor again [TS]

  you've got an idea that there's a lot of [TS]

  fishing is important in this movie that [TS]

  well yes yes we should mention Kirk [TS]

  Douglas has a goon goon named Jojo is [TS]

  not very good at the job of being a goon [TS]

  no learned throughout this movie is [TS]

  curtis says Joe couldn't find a printer [TS]

  in the Bible and so at one point Joe is [TS]

  sent tail Robert Mitchum and he does so [TS]

  by following the the Deaf kid and he [TS]

  spies Robert Mitchum and he's got gonna [TS]

  shoot you Robert Mitchum but all the [TS]

  Deaf kid turns around and uses fly [TS]

  casting skills to crap job by the arm [TS]

  and pull off a cliff into the Walker [TS]

  river [TS]

  yeah Billy Joe instantly he's a fly cast [TS]

  wizard [TS]

  yeah that deaf dumb accomplished sure [TS]

  casts a mean bastard below [TS]

  the inspiration for Tommy this movie [TS]

  it's a little-known fact [TS]

  wow yeah but that isn't that is one of [TS]

  the more unique death scenes I've ever [TS]

  seen where a guy is standing on a cliff [TS]

  top he's hooked by a fishing line and [TS]

  pulled to his death [TS]

  I'm getting a very strong fishing think [TS]

  it is awesome by the way you just gotta [TS]

  get them off balance [TS]

  that's it she was standing right on the [TS]

  edge as may have become apparent when I [TS]

  was quoting Kirk Douglas there i love [TS]

  kirk douglas in this movie is nicely [TS]

  menacing he is so menacing and so and [TS]

  enjoys being menacing so much in every [TS]

  line that he says is just dripping with [TS]

  double meaning this is like his second [TS]

  movie [TS]

  yeah and every threat that he makes is [TS]

  is just so said through through a smile [TS]

  and know he is he is a delight to watch [TS]

  he's it's charming in the most oily sort [TS]

  of way I didn't love it when he shows up [TS]

  in Mexico I'm just here to see a man [TS]

  about a horse [TS]

  literally I'm on my way to Mexico City [TS]

  see a man about a horse [TS]

  mhm great you know when we were emailing [TS]

  about what we were gonna watch I was [TS]

  like oh cool to fillmore I've never seen [TS]

  before I was so excited and I watched [TS]

  kiss me deadly and that was the thing [TS]

  that I did and then I and then I watched [TS]

  out of the past and the credits hadn't [TS]

  even finished when I was like oh my god [TS]

  I've seen this before i watched a lot of [TS]

  old movies and I have a terrible memory [TS]

  for titles so it was it was just a [TS]

  matter of 35 seconds and was like oh my [TS]

  goodness i have seen this before and I [TS]

  was excited is so take it in now now yes [TS]

  she mentioned this was remade in the [TS]

  early eighties as against all odds [TS]

  starring jeff bridges in the robert [TS]

  mitchum roll rachel ward in the jane [TS]

  greer or roll and james woods in the [TS]

  Kirk Douglas role that is not lateral [TS]

  movement that is not not no probably be [TS]

  okay with james woods in that role but I [TS]

  don't know what anybody else and and [TS]

  jane greer as her character's mother and [TS]

  I believe alex karras is as as Joe own [TS]

  couldn't find couldn't find a prayer in [TS]

  the Bible [TS]

  yeah who plays the Deaf kid I don't you [TS]

  know I've never actually seen the movie [TS]

  i've only seen the music video [TS]

  I've only I've only seen Phil Collins [TS]

  this just an empty space [TS]

  fun fact about against all odds Phil [TS]

  Collins was turned down to sing that [TS]

  song at the Oscars yeah they didn't know [TS]

  who the hell would they had a dancing [TS]

  singing it instead [TS]

  yeah yeah a dancer sang again so my [TS]

  terrible thing [TS]

  cathy is not very good in this movie I [TS]

  find her I find that yeah he gave i find [TS]

  that character completely uninteresting [TS]

  I find the actress uninteresting they [TS]

  act as if she's interesting and yet she [TS]

  isn't their relationship is completely [TS]

  unbelievable at all points I i think [TS]

  this is the central flaw of our past [TS]

  which I'm gonna say again I enjoy this [TS]

  movie I wanted to but that at the end [TS]

  but yeah she is problematic because she [TS]

  is the femme fatale who inspires no [TS]

  fatalities but she causes and very [TS]

  little and causes a few but she's not [TS]

  when they go to alcohol Acapulco it's [TS]

  like they have they have some snappy [TS]

  dialogue that is kind of not earned and [TS]

  then they go to the beach to kiss and [TS]

  then they're in love [TS]

  I'm Mike like it's really good the tour [TS]

  guide sponded I have no problem with [TS]

  that because so that's the kind of a [TS]

  hallmark of some of the films like of [TS]

  that era [TS]

  it's it if they don't necessarily go in [TS]

  for too much character development [TS]

  you're just sort of expected to make [TS]

  those that those you know yourself and [TS]

  she was very pretty and they had that [TS]

  dialogue so for being that was good [TS]

  enough [TS]

  it was alright with it the problem with [TS]

  that is they have the the scene where [TS]

  Kirk Douglas is hiring robert mitchum [TS]

  neee well hey why are you sending me to [TS]

  find her there are a lot of Dame's the [TS]

  rope in the world [TS]

  oh when you see her you'll know but no I [TS]

  know I don't know I do entertainment [TS]

  I thought she was lovely and I thought [TS]

  the actors did a pretty good job with it [TS]

  when you're bonding moment is do you [TS]

  like to gamble [TS]

  not with a wheel that's it mm that's the [TS]

  kind of chemistry that works for me it [TS]

  was it yes it's silly but I like it the [TS]

  bonding moment [TS]

  is the is jose rodriguez who comes in ya [TS]

  farmers to give the door knockers them [TS]

  rings and earrings and then gets paid by [TS]

  Bailey just before he recommends the [TS]

  donkey show [TS]

  yes oh no that's the meat cute and you [TS]

  know we do have to say something from [TS]

  the past the the ethnic characters [TS]

  actually makes sense within the setting [TS]

  and they are overdone and over the top [TS]

  so that the Federated scapula teal yeah [TS]

  I just I just didn't find that the [TS]

  cactus interesting you know [TS]

  well she and and who is the these the [TS]

  small-town girl that Robert Mitchum is [TS]

  sweet on now they are just real drips in [TS]

  this movie [TS]

  yeah there's no there's no nice way of [TS]

  saying it and it really is underscored [TS]

  by by the fact when Rhonda Fleming shows [TS]

  up she is the Secretary of the lawyer [TS]

  the tax lawyer that Robert Mitchum is [TS]

  supposed to steal the stuff from their [TS]

  ends up getting framed for murder for [TS]

  she is in like maybe two or three scenes [TS]

  and she is great she is is she pops and [TS]

  she has she has verve and she has been [TS]

  and you sit there in co now why wasn't [TS]

  she cast the the role of Cathy because [TS]

  at least then you could see it's someone [TS]

  that that can match wits with Robert [TS]

  Mitchum was notable and in some way [TS]

  yeah well Jean Grey was it she was [TS]

  pretty actually generate had been um she [TS]

  had some sort of policy when she was [TS]

  young and with had a part of her face [TS]

  paralyzed and all the well now I feel [TS]

  that Erica thank you and all of the [TS]

  exercises that she had to do to get the [TS]

  emotion back in her face sort of helped [TS]

  push her toward a sort of acting that [TS]

  used her face a lot to express emotion [TS]

  and I think that's kind of what she [TS]

  became known for and I think she does [TS]

  that a lot i think i think that her way [TS]

  of encoding is is more just not so much [TS]

  the the dialogue in the emotion in the [TS]

  speech but the really you know what [TS]

  looks on her face when she just looks so [TS]

  upset or so completely feeling list or [TS]

  you know from one scene to the next [TS]

  thing I worked for me I actually thought [TS]

  she was pretty good [TS]

  she you know she's not she's not really [TS]

  a big character but she's she's got some [TS]

  subtle tease her post [TS]

  I'm with snow understand what I'm going [TS]

  to immediately fall in love with her the [TS]

  second i see your bit is a bit [TS]

  ridiculous but I and later when trim [TS]

  when there's the double-double cross the [TS]

  briefcase and I thought I sounded like [TS]

  she was totally and [TS]

  leave a bottle she didn't work didn't [TS]

  work for me and she set up I mean that [TS]

  that's what phil was saying to is that [TS]

  she set up to be well you when you see [TS]

  your you know and she's like cash fine [TS]

  she's fine but she didn't know she I did [TS]

  I just I didn't find any chemistry [TS]

  between her and mitch mitchum is like a [TS]

  force of nature he's like John he's so I [TS]

  you know angular and and and visceral [TS]

  and weird even and then she's just she's [TS]

  also present [TS]

  also present [TS]

  and you know i kinda liked the bit where [TS]

  he's fighting with his partner and and [TS]

  she's watching it and she's got kind of [TS]

  a little smile on her face like she's [TS]

  really kind of enjoying watching the [TS]

  beatings requiring you know and of [TS]

  course she busts out with the gun [TS]

  because she really liked shootin guys [TS]

  he's no Veronica Lake she's no Rita [TS]

  Hayworth she really does like shooting [TS]

  people though that is not as it's true i [TS]

  don't know maybe I just appreciated the [TS]

  fact that that towards the end of the [TS]

  film became evident that well it wasn't [TS]

  clear earlier on she's kind of been [TS]

  pulling the strings all yelling that was [TS]

  great seeing that's a great scene where [TS]

  she lets them get in that like it's the [TS]

  it is the punchy estate punch-up i have [TS]

  seen in a movie a long time just punch [TS]

  after punch after punch and when finally [TS]

  we've reached the end she just shoots [TS]

  the guy and make him think you didn't [TS]

  have to kill him [TS]

  she's like yeah I did she's told home [TS]

  she's totally cold about it and well and [TS]

  an earlier she says oh with didn't die [TS]

  I'm sorry he didn't die I mean she's [TS]

  cold that much is fascinating about this [TS]

  care called around the heart she's got a [TS]

  couple of good line readings like that [TS]

  one and it towards the end when she's [TS]

  finally getting Mitchum to take off to [TS]

  Mexico with her and and he tells her put [TS]

  a few think she's going to pack and just [TS]

  put a few things in for me and she says [TS]

  I have and it's her reading I that is [TS]

  great that this the the real selling [TS]

  point of out of the past for me is the [TS]

  script as it has just some some great [TS]

  some great hard-boiled hard-bitten lines [TS]

  in there and I don't know she can't be [TS]

  all that bad well she comes closer than [TS]

  anyone elses yeah that was great and the [TS]

  other one I really liked is is when [TS]

  everybody dies honey I don't want to do [TS]

  it either but if I do I want to be last [TS]

  yeah that was my god I'm gonna be the [TS]

  last couple minutes [TS]

  fantastic and lay in that kind of my god [TS]

  that was great yeah they did don't you [TS]

  believe me baby i don't care of my [TS]

  gallows hi baby [TS]

  my biggest problem with this with this [TS]

  movie which I did end up liking [TS]

  eventually was that initially like in [TS]

  the very opening segment there's a [TS]

  couple of conversations between Marty [TS]

  who works at the diner and and and Joe [TS]

  and then I alien Joe have a conversation [TS]

  and these conversations are like ninety [TS]

  percent innuendo and cliches and has no [TS]

  idea what they're talking to no idea and [TS]

  I'm just shaking my head going these [TS]

  these first of all these conversations [TS]

  are way too snappy by has so snaggle [TS]

  that are having them and it's supposed [TS]

  to be the exposition guys I'm supposed [TS]

  to be able to pick up on this and I I [TS]

  felt completely lost its a slow starting [TS]

  movie it really it annoy it doesn't take [TS]

  off until Kirk Douglas yes [TS]

  yeah well and then but see if you're [TS]

  totally rate it's it snappy dialogue is [TS]

  supposed to be like snappy dialogue with [TS]

  you're like oh I really like how these [TS]

  people are giving and taking when [TS]

  everybody speaks in superfast snappy [TS]

  dialogue it just becomes like I don't [TS]

  know it's it's confusing and weird and [TS]

  like why is everybody talking like this [TS]

  and that I definitely got that feeling [TS]

  in the diner especially like what is [TS]

  even happening here [TS]

  yeah I was afraid at that point that it [TS]

  was going to be that way the entire way [TS]

  through yeah unfortunately it wasn't it [TS]

  was still found I was irritated enough [TS]

  by that possibly that i found kind of [TS]

  the entire sequence in the past to be [TS]

  kind of kind of boring honestly and then [TS]

  when it when we were out of the past the [TS]

  present i found it picked up nicely i [TS]

  like the whole frame job plot but but [TS]

  that that whole opening sequence just [TS]

  didn't I also not a fan of grabbing of [TS]

  the narration in that part in fact there [TS]

  was one bit of narration that made me [TS]

  laugh out loud because she says why [TS]

  don't we go back to my place and it's [TS]

  immediately followed by narration that [TS]

  says it was the first time she mentioned [TS]

  her place or going there she said it i [TS]

  love that tile a generation I mean it's [TS]

  just it's kind of cheesy thing that the [TS]

  that the hallmark of some of some of the [TS]

  more films of that particular area just [TS]

  feels like self-parody at i know but the [TS]

  thing is that the [TS]

  time you know this was pre irony this is [TS]

  the wrist as can be i just it gets me in [TS]

  the heart i love it there's a lot of [TS]

  reasons why this movie shouldn't work [TS]

  and yet it does for me [TS]

  oh I didn't even mention the bankbook [TS]

  she leaves a bankbook but just one thing [TS]

  that this is deposited forty thousand [TS]

  dollars and it's ok it's open on the [TS]

  very top of her purse and she walks away [TS]

  I'll thats hilarious [TS]

  it's like she should just have a bag [TS]

  with a dollar sign up now if it weren't [TS]

  for Michigan Kirk Douglas it probably [TS]

  wouldn't work [TS]

  no I wouldn't know but they're great [TS]

  they're great but apparently it a the [TS]

  both of them were kinda wary of being [TS]

  upstaged by the other which added movie [TS]

  free papabile on-screen tension whenever [TS]

  the two of them are on screen together [TS]

  that maybe they got along with each [TS]

  other after this movie was made but they [TS]

  surely did not get along with each other [TS]

  during the filming and that that quite [TS]

  that translates quite well onto the [TS]

  screen and it's very appropriate and [TS]

  helps out with the mood of the picture [TS]

  yeah i like the fact that Mitchell's [TS]

  character here is is almost always a [TS]

  step or two ahead of the game which is a [TS]

  nice change from the doors I've seen [TS]

  where the lead is just getting dragged [TS]

  around by events he always seems like [TS]

  he's kinda with it and you know he's [TS]

  he's smart enough to know that he's [TS]

  being framed and he's smart enough to [TS]

  hide the body although not smart enough [TS]

  to hide it somewhere the police will [TS]

  find a 10 minutes later but i find i [TS]

  found that kind of a kind of a fun to [TS]

  watch because it felt like almost like [TS]

  the ferris bueller of ur's really yeah [TS]

  and I also like the fact that you know [TS]

  he he with his plan at the end is he [TS]

  wants to pin the murders basically on [TS]

  the people who actually committed them [TS]

  shows already dead so he's like let's [TS]

  let's pin the murder of this seals [TS]

  lawyer guy on Joe he's the one that did [TS]

  it and then you know send and [TS]

  whatsherface up the river and she's the [TS]

  one that shot his partner so to me this [TS]

  movie is like the b-side to melt ease [TS]

  Falcon and where you've got the the [TS]

  detective who's one step ahead of [TS]

  everyone and and there's there's there's [TS]

  lots of how's he gonna get out of this [TS]

  so i want to pin it on the people who [TS]

  actually did it and write down to the [TS]

  problem with I is the biggest problem i [TS]

  have with maltese falcon is met Mary [TS]

  Astor [TS]

  in the femme fatale role just as the [TS]

  biggest problem without the past is Jane [TS]

  Greer so there you go you're palsy Jane [TS]

  Greer however i'm gonna make the point [TS]

  of it i would like one of every dress [TS]

  that she wears actually in that [TS]

  everybody else whereas in this movie [TS]

  please that instead of the goal of mine [TS]

  now even the waitress at the restaurant [TS]

  okay all but one he got me there [TS]

  wow what I i don't know i don't know [TS]

  what else to say about this movie death [TS]

  by fishing line that's a big thing that [TS]

  happened you know I just think it's [TS]

  weird that like okay so we got this this [TS]

  seemingly nice deaf kid who helps out in [TS]

  that by the end of the film he's a [TS]

  cold-blooded murderer like he's gotta [TS]

  live with that for the rest of my [TS]

  savings what she's gonna shoot his buddy [TS]

  he's saving his buddy that's true that [TS]

  cult that's sure but still you UAE I [TS]

  think you experiencing emotional fallout [TS]

  from that sort of thing no matter what [TS]

  the motivation was [TS]

  that's right my you can't you can't [TS]

  determine intent from the kid pulling [TS]

  him down he's saving his friends et soon [TS]

  the guy I'm there too quickly you know [TS]

  defuse the situation either he's saving [TS]

  his friend or he just really wanted to [TS]

  go fishing and the line was a little bit [TS]

  too long and it just puts an accident [TS]

  one of the ways that he we know he's [TS]

  ultimately a good kid because i was [TS]

  selfless well not really selfless but [TS]

  his action at the end when he kind of [TS]

  lets the girlfriend get on with her life [TS]

  and turns and see I do not diagnose care [TS]

  for that anyway I thought that was a [TS]

  kind of bizarre ending tell them you're [TS]

  late [TS]

  it's like the the lie that way should we [TS]

  did good [TS]

  Steve sort of said what it was so the [TS]

  drippy girlfriend that he has she's [TS]

  she's she's not a fish together what is [TS]

  wrong with two people fishing together [TS]

  in addition to being courted by robert [TS]

  mitchum she's also being courted by this [TS]

  that Dirk square jaw who I guess is some [TS]

  sort of local state employment forestry [TS]

  organization yeah and uh you know now [TS]

  that I would know what it was if I could [TS]

  figure out what the hell the lady at the [TS]

  counter was saying in the oh yeah now [TS]

  that Robert Mitchum is out of the [TS]

  picture of course she's gonna go with [TS]

  him but she she goes to the the Deaf kid [TS]

  and says I've got to know was he really [TS]

  going to go off with the equally drippy [TS]

  gene career and is spoiler alert to the [TS]

  audience no he was not [TS]

  was just going along with with Jane [TS]

  Greer cuz she was holding the gun to his [TS]

  head [TS]

  yeah and he he really did it also to [TS]

  said that she would get her comeuppance [TS]

  and so it is with holes the cops to set [TS]

  it's a setup he's gonna set hops [TS]

  yeah i was she really going off and [TS]

  family really slick moment two words [TS]

  like stay here honey I gotta make a [TS]

  phone call [TS]

  yeah okay I'll finish this conversation [TS]

  later [TS]

  go pack our things i gotta put myself a [TS]

  drink I've gotta call the chi me for [TS]

  myself 3mm so she says I gotta know what [TS]

  she really going with him and the Deaf [TS]

  kids sort of knots and cost ya [TS]

  she was now you can go off and be with [TS]

  your equally drippy Forrester guy and so [TS]

  she doesn't update any friend was [TS]

  draining you but I hope that makes you [TS]

  feel better [TS]

  yeah and then he turns to the the the [TS]

  gas station sign and does the the wink [TS]

  in the nod and that to me was just [TS]

  really weird and hacking kind of [TS]

  pointless yeah I would agree with the [TS]

  end and that's who Keyser Soze was I [TS]

  understand the motivation behind it [TS]

  because he's you know that this is the [TS]

  nineteen-forties women are lesser [TS]

  creatures and they need to be protected [TS]

  so that their feelings you know don't [TS]

  get hurt so David will arise like a guy [TS]

  with an idiot [TS]

  we're going easy on her [TS]

  yeah my wife maninder took exception [TS]

  that one too she also have a rod Jason [TS]

  yeah I I don't understand it but I don't [TS]

  like Robert Mitchum could kill a guy [TS]

  with a knitting needle is all I'm saying [TS]

  or Rodwell that the Deaf kid that the [TS]

  Deaf kid technically did kill somebody [TS]

  with a rod and reel it did and real [TS]

  totally did I was just saying that I [TS]

  don't understand why they ended it that [TS]

  way and it was supposed to be a sweet [TS]

  touching thing but for me as a woman of [TS]

  this in the next century a little bit [TS]

  insulting 44 due to the next century [TS]

  it's not that clever either a movie [TS]

  seems to think that we give a damn what [TS]

  happens to that girl and she's really [TS]

  not a particularly major character other [TS]

  than the fact that we've she's she had [TS]

  to suffer through the rather extended [TS]

  description i hate to keep using the [TS]

  word drip but drip is [TS]

  really and I liked her I thought she was [TS]

  sweet hometown girl next door [TS]

  I wanted him to end up with her how [TS]

  terribly wrong you are [TS]

  did you feel like at the end there had [TS]

  to be some sort of a closure for her you [TS]

  would have felt unsatisfied because [TS]

  that's that's the impression i get for [TS]

  why they added that ending up yeah I [TS]

  suppose that say I need to feel like [TS]

  she's no she's ok I need to know that [TS]

  she's happy with Dirk square jaw forest [TS]

  ranger I don't like the implication that [TS]

  she couldn't go on with her life if even [TS]

  if she had known that he was going to be [TS]

  faithful to her I mean I feel like that [TS]

  would be maybe a nicer way to start [TS]

  continue one right in thinking oh he was [TS]

  just going to leave me anyway like a [TS]

  wily for with a bunch of anger rather [TS]

  than some more memories yeah that's [TS]

  right now because i already got the [TS]

  corpse or he doesn't matter that he's [TS]

  dead he was a jerk move on because [TS]

  that's how feelings work [TS]

  yeah totally these are these are [TS]

  fascinating man this movie like the [TS]

  other one that got into the middle where [TS]

  there was the I'm being framed and [TS]

  there's a kind of like the one he [TS]

  figures out he sniffed out that it's [TS]

  gonna be a frame job he actually says to [TS]

  the guy i'm in a frame but then that was [TS]

  like and I gotta taxes and I'm gonna go [TS]

  get the thing before the other guy [TS]

  that's there and get that moment of like [TS]

  I don't know what's happening in many [TS]

  ways the plot of this is more convoluted [TS]

  than kiss me deadly or more to the point [TS]

  the parts of the plot that don't involve [TS]

  Kirk Douglas and robert mitchum crossing [TS]

  swords running every literal sense I are [TS]

  less interesting than the many Makka [TS]

  nations going on and Kiss Me Deadly yeah [TS]

  I was admit I was drinking a bit of wine [TS]

  that i did get a little bit lost and [TS]

  this is my second times don't know I [TS]

  don't know yet the needs wine probably [TS]

  help the journey because maybe instead [TS]

  of these norms are fascinating to me [TS]

  because they got the twisted plot and in [TS]

  the end in the end for me when i get out [TS]

  of them as the atmosphere and sometimes [TS]

  the dialogue is is great and in this [TS]

  movie they're so great dialogue but but [TS]

  it's that it's that some of the [TS]

  characters are great and you get that [TS]

  you know it's i love in in kiss me [TS]

  deadly especially there's the you know [TS]

  bright sunny Los Angeles with it see you [TS]

  bright and dark at the same time I you [TS]

  know that's that's just a classic trade [TS]

  market this stuff [TS]

  there's in this movie and out of the [TS]

  past one of the things that really [TS]

  struck me is that literally the greatest [TS]

  crutch I director could have is smoking [TS]

  because like if nothing's happening in a [TS]

  scene they just have a fiddle with their [TS]

  cigarettes and he hasn't it it happens [TS]

  endlessly and to the point where I just [TS]

  kind of found it hilarious that the like [TS]

  there's nothing else for them to do in [TS]

  the scenes like I i would start playing [TS]

  the game would be like what would Robert [TS]

  Mitchum be doing in this scene if you [TS]

  weren't fiddling with his cigarettes and [TS]

  the answer generally was nothing he [TS]

  wouldn't just be sitting there like a [TS]

  lump for somebody needs to do a YouTube [TS]

  cut of Anwar without smokes and just [TS]

  know your brush out the cigarette so [TS]

  they're just standing there waving their [TS]

  answer and that's one of the reasons i [TS]

  like laura is one of my favorite film [TS]

  Noirs because he didn't smooth although [TS]

  there is an incident where he he clocks [TS]

  a gaylord in his office and then stops [TS]

  to light a smoke I know [TS]

  likewise it's and speaking of the [TS]

  smoking part of shortly when when that [TS]

  when Robert Mitchum gets back to the gas [TS]

  station i think the first time yeah and [TS]

  I'm always really loved it he flicks he [TS]

  flicks a lit cigarette out his gas [TS]

  station [TS]

  hello what that's why they always got a [TS]

  death wish [TS]

  it's it's also shows a sign that he's [TS]

  not really a guy with a castration but [TS]

  that's not just realized there you can [TS]

  see very little babysitter's missed it [TS]

  that's gas station 101 friend yeah that [TS]

  that that kind of amazing but you know [TS]

  it again it's of a kind this is its own [TS]

  genre it is you know that when you not [TS]

  get into the argument about whether or [TS]

  not Fillmore's and johnrandall that'll [TS]

  take us another okay let me rephrase [TS]

  that I I plead the court to rephrase [TS]

  this [TS]

  these these films are of a kind and they [TS]

  have tropes and they have you what I [TS]

  take away often is the atmosphere and [TS]

  some of the characters and some of the [TS]

  dialogue and not so much the plot and so [TS]

  like out of the past it's about Mitchum [TS]

  it's about Kirk Douglas and that's a [TS]

  fight scene with all the punching and [TS]

  then the guy just gets shot at the end [TS]

  the poor guy to shoot him up front white [TS]

  with a punching the sound that it is [TS]

  compared to kiss me deadly this sound in [TS]

  that scene was awesome and yet even was [TS]

  watching a baseball game in the [TS]

  same room and when that scene came on he [TS]

  like looked up and looked over he's like [TS]

  oh I love people stuff it's 1840 sound [TS]

  of metal whereas in kiss me deadly [TS]

  literally just lines of dialogue are [TS]

  repeated because they didn't have any [TS]

  other dialogue and its really not great [TS]

  but miss ya that punch up is a good [TS]

  that's a really good punch-up it's [TS]

  brutal and flap flap flap plan after all [TS]

  that work guy just gets shot [TS]

  what was the point if why I work so hard [TS]

  you could have shot him to begin with [TS]

  what's the point really is the theme [TS]

  that runs through the fruit water pretty [TS]

  much what why bother the point when she [TS]

  was really enjoying watching that she [TS]

  really was actually got my shooting your [TS]

  general climax in the end up and then [TS]

  she needed a cigarette [TS]

  that's right that's right I I feel like [TS]

  we should mention this was directed by [TS]

  jacques Turner who also directed cat [TS]

  people [TS]

  yep and same set of the cinematographer [TS]

  those were his two movies [TS]

  yeah you may know me from such films as [TS]

  cat people and that's it [TS]

  not the nineteen eighties remake of cat [TS]

  pee no no the good one [TS]

  well anything more about out of the past [TS]

  now I think I think we've pretty much [TS]

  beating these movies to death talk to [TS]

  our way through the I think we pretty [TS]

  much dissuaded people from watching [TS]

  either of these movies which is a shame [TS]

  because I enjoy both yes why don't I [TS]

  still like out of the past I i will go [TS]

  to bat for that one but I knew that [TS]

  Kathy was bad when in the restaurant in [TS]

  Mexico they order drinks and they get up [TS]

  to leave Robert Mitchum drinks his but [TS]

  Kathy leaves her shot of bourbon behind [TS]

  sorry that was it right there [TS]

  I knew she was a drip she she wasn't [TS]

  even trying [TS]

  no the only shot she likes her when she [TS]

  plugs a guy with a shower has a long way [TS]

  to go but I don't know over-the-top it [TS]

  anyway she likes to shoot people this is [TS]

  what I'm saying [TS]

  yeah well I I i am glad that I watched [TS]

  them am I I wouldn't say I whole [TS]

  heartedly enjoyed either of them but i [TS]

  enjoyed parts of both of them and i'm [TS]

  happy to have seen them no good if I can [TS]

  bring a little joy into your humdrum [TS]

  lives [TS]

  everything's been for nothing him i [TS]

  would probably recommend these films to [TS]

  somebody if I knew somebody that was the [TS]

  sort of person to whom these films [TS]

  should be recommended the right sort of [TS]

  person but i'm not sure that i know [TS]

  anybody that description so but i did [TS]

  enjoy them both sporadic i'm glad i saw [TS]

  kiss me deadly if only to reinforce the [TS]

  fact that is did not at all the kind of [TS]

  film noir that is my favorite it just [TS]

  makes the ones that i like seeing even [TS]

  better [TS]

  good eats a silver lining now that the [TS]

  outline of the shape of the movie that [TS]

  defines the parts of other movies that [TS]

  you like [TS]

  yes the negative space really emphasis [TS]

  on negative yeah yeah nite it won't [TS]

  surprise anyone that I really enjoy some [TS]

  door in general and I know really [TS]

  enjoyed both of these not surprisingly [TS]

  David i find that sort of surprising [TS]

  yeah that really so it's all my [TS]

  seventies sci-fi stories that me and [TS]

  David have adventures going around boom [TS]

  watch movies smacking people upside [TS]

  hovel saving Cloris Leachman yeah as [TS]

  always not let's not say things we can [TS]

  take Cloris Leachman that's a pretty [TS]

  brutal scene of of her being tortured to [TS]

  death though I gotta say yeah yeah yeahs [TS]

  five movie [TS]

  yeah for 1955 that movie crosses a lot [TS]

  of boundaries [TS]

  hey fun fact the s the the Kefauver [TS]

  Commission like side of that is the [TS]

  number one threat to you more alert and [TS]

  youth [TS]

  yeah the movie that estes kefauver [TS]

  doesn't want you to see ya the ADR and [TS]

  that scene was actually quite effective [TS]

  that was that was really disagree edge [TS]

  she's a good screamer I gotta say in the [TS]

  and then the sort of reveal well first [TS]

  of all her legs are twitching which is [TS]

  disturbing itself while you are bare [TS]

  legs the lower halves of them sort of [TS]

  twitching as she screams and then that [TS]

  the reveal of I guess it pans up a [TS]

  little from the dr shoes which it has [TS]

  film as some sort of a weird obsession [TS]

  with and you see he's holding something [TS]

  I assume it's pliers it looks kind of [TS]

  like a bottle opener but either one is a [TS]

  little disturbing [TS]

  no it's yeah the scene of her legs [TS]

  twitching it's just that [TS]

  in my memory I will never get that out I [TS]

  need to wash my brain with bleach and [TS]

  it's not clear from his his [TS]

  pontificating afterwards whether she has [TS]

  died in the process or she's been [TS]

  knocked out [TS]

  I think she's I don't know if you tried [TS]

  to revive her [TS]

  it would be a resurrection who are you [TS]

  to resurrect another person or whatever [TS]

  it is you know very good i just love the [TS]

  mic my library was surprisingly for a [TS]

  small town library it had the criterion [TS]

  edition of kiss me deadly I am notice [TS]

  youtube listeners you yes scared to an [TS]

  interview at church i love that it just [TS]

  uses some of the original art on the [TS]

  cover and apparently they promoted it as [TS]

  Mickey splains latest h-bomb explanation [TS]

  spoiler here's your picture on the front [TS]

  oh I finally get that I saw that on the [TS]

  poster as I that sets of nice bit of [TS]

  hyperbole and then or is no i get it and [TS]

  he didn't even have a bomb how crazy is [TS]

  that though all of a sudden he opens [TS]

  this thing that glows and it makes this [TS]

  horrifying noise like the sort of the [TS]

  whispering that's going on all the noise [TS]

  at the end in the beach house is [TS]

  haunting you know the sound that is the [TS]

  bob is going up that is the most [TS]

  disturbing thing actually hard [TS]

  yeah seriously do not watch that movie [TS]

  when your wife is out of town because [TS]

  you won't you will you will be clutching [TS]

  pillows and every night [TS]

  oh no life is not worth living [TS]

  look Barry I told you Pandora was in [TS]

  that box I told you watch 1776 their [TS]

  songs [TS]

  yeah 10 open up a window just open up [TS]

  the box [TS]

  yeah don't open no all right we've [TS]

  reached the end of old movie club nor [TS]

  edition Phil how do you think it went [TS]

  yeah they sure alright well I'll tell ya [TS]

  that well-fed Erica and sign thank you [TS]

  for being here thank you for having me [TS]

  you know i think it's time we drop this [TS]

  Junior League pattern [TS]

  very nice David lure thank you thank you [TS]

  I'm you know I'm just the Looney from a [TS]

  laughing house but I'm glad to be Steve [TS]

  let's thank you for being here thank you [TS]

  Jason James are worse than flange and I [TS]

  ran a quote i guess i could do some of [TS]

  whom I mouton you want to play house to [TS]

  talk business [TS]

  Stevie can't be all bad but you're the [TS]

  closest and Phil Michael thank you once [TS]

  again for navigating us through another [TS]

  old booty club not at all i look forward [TS]

  to win this series is finally cancelled [TS]

  and for the government i have been your [TS]

  host Jason smell thank you for listening [TS]

  and joining us and perhaps watching [TS]

  these movies [TS]

  we'll see you next time [TS]