Cortex 19: Brick of Obligation
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you know what my personal assistant got
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me for christmas mike star wars coloring
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books for grown-ups
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I got one of them oh yeah
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was this from one of the many many
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pictures that you sent me of coloring
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books yet from around the world
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I'm proving a point to you right so
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listeners I have been taking photos of
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every bookstore that go into and going
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into bookstore specifically to take
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photos as well to just proved too great
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that coloring is everywhere and now it's
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been proven that is everywhere because
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it's becoming a general gifts that
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people buy each other and now you have
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Star Wars and we may have the same 1i
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have Star Wars inspire creativity or
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something like that images to inspire
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creativity got a picture of your honor
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mhm that's probably what it is i will be
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cracking that book out to Color up
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whilst i'm editing this episode not
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touch the up and waiting do you have to
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have coloring implements no I don't have
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any coloring book implements that I have
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I hope nothing
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alright i'll buy you those for Christmas
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then I i do not want christmas gifts but
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you need the coloring pens and I'm gonna
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get you good stuff because otherwise
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you'll get something crap i know i won't
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get anything
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crap i just won't get anything I don't
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need coloring instruments I don't need
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any of this
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how can you color in the book that
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you've been given that you see i phrase
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that in a very careful way which is that
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this is what she got me for Christmas
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but I was like please don't send this to
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me i do not think it was purchased and
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you denied it
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yeah that's exactly what happened that
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were you expecting gifts know and this
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is why I was like you know what i want
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for christmas
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nothing nothing from everyone is what i
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want for christmas
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do you get any gifts i try not to but
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for some reason in our document here you
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have a gift recommendation for everybody
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oh yeah LOL of your gifts is that the
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recommendation like take all of my
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presence
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exactly that is my recommendation to you
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all this year take mine that I don't
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want them
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no don't take my things and I like the
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things that I have because I mean people
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took your things they don't have to take
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about one thing you have no things
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unless it was iPads you could take one
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of my iPad and everything
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in a minute we're therefore here before
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you just sit down the cash and what is
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that you just pull one out from the
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couch cushions you open a cabinet and
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they will stop pouring out on um yeah
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that's exactly what my eyes
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yes I was thinking I was thinking a a
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gift recommendation if if you listener
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have a geek in your life that you want
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to get a gift for because i bought this
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thing i'm going to recommend a couple
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months ago and I've been surprised how
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much I use it and how much of the a
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game-changer it is for me and i also got
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one for my wife and what this is is just
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an external battery to charge your phone
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or your tablet
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how could you not have one of these okay
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so here's the reason i didn't get one of
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these before but i have a specific
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recommendation and then now of course I
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should have been prepared i'm not
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prepared for the show as Mike knows
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because some stuff came up with required
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my attention right before so when he was
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too busy giving these gifts away
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what is it movie seven but it's a
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specific one that i want to recommend is
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it the one that has the lightning
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yeah into that I have that one is black
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right now has a little dorrit ok there's
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two there's two different ones that i
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want to recommend hold on okay here it
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okay here we go sorry Mike ok here we go
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universal that's not this is not what I
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want my cannot find the thing okay here
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we go okay
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exactly the one that i have is power
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station plus and i got for myself the
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Forex version but I am seriously
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regretting having not gotten the a text
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version but yes the thing that I like
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about this the thing that makes it for
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me really great is that it does have the
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integrated lightning cable so there's
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like a little cover that opens on the
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front of it and out pops the lightning
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cable so if you have the battery you
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also have the cable to charge whatever
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you want
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and of course for the non-apple people
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out there you can get it with i believe
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it's microUSB built-in instead
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yeah this to me is the whole thing
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because you know what I don't want I
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don't want to have to think about ok I
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need something to charge this and I need
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the wire to plug into the battery to
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then also plug into my phone I've never
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wanted to get any of those but when i
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saw one that had just the integrated
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cable in it as that thought okay I'm
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gonna buy this and I i just love this
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and I cannot believe how much it changes
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my i am out in the city working workflow
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because with this i have enough charge
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to like top up and ipad a little bit
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like I never quite get through a full
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day with an ipad even though apple says
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like oh you get 10 hours like me know
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Apple I don't get 10 hours out of that
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ipad not ever more like six or seven
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depending on what I'm doing but it also
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means that i don't i don't have to pick
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a table that is near an electrical
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outlet like this is not remotely
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required like I can just go in sit down
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at any table I want and charge myself up
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with the power station plus i'm really
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surprised that you didn't have one of
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these considering how much time you work
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and spend outside of home
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yeah well what I had before was just a
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regular plug to plug into the wall and
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then I bought there like three meter
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cables so that I could I could sit
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further away from from a spot and maybe
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but I don't know I just I just never
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thought it would be as convenient as as
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it is and i totally love it and the
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thing that I really like doing which I
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feel sometimes sneaky about is that
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sometimes if I there like a good table
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at a cafe that I want to set it's like
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okay great i considered a good table but
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sometimes you'll see like on the floor
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in and out of the out-of-the-way area
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there's a electrical socket and so i can
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plug in my battery somewhere else in the
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same cafe and just like leave it there
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to charge up for a little bit and then
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when i leave i just grab it and take it
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with me and plug it into my ipad in my
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backpack while walking around so it
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charges i go to my next location and
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then i have my iPad like happily happily
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topped up
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that's a pretty ninja move I keep
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waiting for someone to free
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gonna go like what the hell is this
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thing plugged into our wall but no one
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has either ever noticed or if they've
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noticed they haven't cared i think
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people know enough now like with those
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kinds of things are because it would
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look really weird right this box sitting
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in them in the corner of the cafe
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yeah yeah probably probably the the
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waiters do now because you're not the
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only person that I guess yeah one of
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these days I'm gonna go to plug mine and
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there's already going to be one there
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i'm gonna have to like sneakily take it
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out and put mine instead
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especially now you've shared you know
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tricks mmm yeah yeah there's going to be
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more people into doing it yep they have
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a super small version which is called
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the power reserve which is just this
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tiny little one that movie cells that
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also has an integrated lightning cable
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and it's only enough power to take your
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phone from dead too maybe like forty
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percent but what I've done with this is
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I have gotten my wife 12 just keep in
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her purse all the time and i'll tell you
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it's one of those things where once you
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have it
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she's been in enough situations where
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she's out somewhere and like you know
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it's low cell connection or something
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and the battery runs down and the whole
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point of having that little battery
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there is it's like okay look there's
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just a little backup here which can just
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power up your phone and it's enough
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energy to like get you to call an uber
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to go home or something and so she just
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loves having one of these in her bag as
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a backup and I know that she's getting
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them for a couple of her friends in the
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same situation of like just keep it in
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your bag so that you don't have to worry
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about your phone running out and then
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you're stranded somewhere late at night
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so I've never used battery packs before
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I know who like the latest person in the
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world to this but I really think like
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the integrated cable is what makes all
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of the difference that was like it's one
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thing to keep track of its not two
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things that's a that's great stocking
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stuffer recommendation for geeks for
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Christmas so considering I soon you'll
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still away from the internet you know
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have you happened upon apples battery
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case if you've seen that no i'm so happy
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that i get your response from this right
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now okay I'm going I'm going to bring up
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a link and I'm gonna send you it
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okay because we're talking about
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batteries and I just wanted to see what
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you think about this because i think
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that you're gonna go co raised there
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well don't predict my reaction for
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like now you're just setting me on a
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product it perfectly alright so Apple
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have created and release the battery
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pack for the iphone 6s only iphone 6s
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only yep
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what kind of bullshit is that exactly
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take a look at it and you see huh that's
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interesting looking and I'll go right
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I wouldn't i'm not sure i would go so
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far as to say that it's ugly
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i mean it's it's no it's no UFO Apple
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watch charger thing like that you know
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that docking station that they made me
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an Apple watch that thing is fugly if
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that thing came out of jony ive's brain
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you know I think Johnny I've Jenny I've
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might need to be sent out to pasture but
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this battery this battery case thing i'm
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gonna i'm gonna say it's in elegant but
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if they made one for the 6s plus i might
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get one cry i don't i don't think it's
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so hideous that I wouldn't want to use
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here's my guests about this product this
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to me looks like Apple is trying to make
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something that gives you more battery
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but that is also the lightest and
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thinnest thing they can possibly make
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that's my guess about what this looks
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like i'm really irritated that they
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don't have a 6s plus yeah I don't know
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why this is because and people are going
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add fifty percent more mountain dew you
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fifty percent was like oh no batteries
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movie cases like you know what movie
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can't you just solve this for me like
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don't make one for the six plus we'll
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it works in of course for me the vitally
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it's just a power tool for your
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computing life that you don't know you
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need but once you get it you'll think
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how on earth did i ever live without
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this so one last time
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time on the show I believe you talked to
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people to work out how many degrees i am
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away from Kevin Bacon oh yeah we
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best number we've got into so far
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oh yeah what's the what's the chain from
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animals girl once who has worked with a
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director called ryan Johnson who
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directed a movie that Bruce Willis's in
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sarah jessica parker actually been in a
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movie together and then you can go to
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kevin bacon and I am exactly six degrees
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of Kevin Bacon yeah I like this it's
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a regular mere mortal are within the six
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invisible like that's until you get
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twitter but but even then you're only
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that humans are much more closely
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connected to each other than it seems
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bacon exactly so it is a very beautiful
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huge relay announcement that the the day
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members on the newsletter which will be
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some new stuff as well you'll get
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episode of every show for members
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remembers anything and it's going to be
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in August which coincides with real a
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each of your favorite shows you're
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terrible time for me we're gonna have to
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be about anything but they will be
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oh yeah did you originally in planning
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for this month yep but that we're not
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viscum the record i had this whole big
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elaborate thing plan for a Christmas
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special but great didn't want to do it
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episode is the last one of this year's
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grace going on some another walkabout I
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think to find these feelings are not
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really sure what he's doing but he's not
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away for a few weeks but yes a great
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didn't want to do this christmas special
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suit will be a member special in august
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so yeah long long story short
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elaborate court xmas that I just kept
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going no you don't understand mike i am
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taking Christmas off and like was like
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no but we can work more than just my
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he's gonna do this thing it's going to
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be amazing and all you need to do is say
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yes and I was like no you can't close
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this thing that great does write that
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we're going to do this show in the first
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place like you'll say no I brushes it
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you've just got him on the line and all
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you need to do is is really meant
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difficult to get him on that line but
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when you do i'm just going to close it
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enough i left it too long and then we
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missed out but you will get it as a real
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we're all about real family of companies
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membership and every show is there and
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you can give to any of the shows that
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listening
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cortex you'll see our buttons right at
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the top we have a silver gold annual
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membership that you can do you get the
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same parks no matter what you do but if
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you can just choose how much money you
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want to give us so it could be five
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dollars a month ten dollars a month or a
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hundred dollars a year it's completely
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up to you and we really appreciate it
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you don't have to do this is completely
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optional nothing is going to change
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about the show but we've had people for
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the whole time the show's been around
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want to give us money because you have
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like patreon and stuff for some other
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things that you do know but we wanted to
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build our own system which we could grow
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and adapt as we go forward into the way
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that makes most sense to us so you can
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now give money to show if you choose
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so Mike mhm i get the impression from
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the way you reeled all of that off that
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maybe you haven't spoken about this on
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some other podcasts prior to doing this
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cortex show
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yeah I spoke about it a lot the last few
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days when I want to know right because
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you gotta tell people they don't know
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about it so right
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I've been refining a kind of internal
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add in my brain over the last week or so
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and it and that is the best it has been
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so far but I'm imagining maybe that this
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is the last show that you're talking
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about this i like it is I felt like that
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was very well-rehearsed yeah there might
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be like one more button but that's it
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but this is this is the end of the line
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area i mean i guess the the thing here
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is i feel like--okay this is towards the
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of shows that you have spoken about this
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on this is also about cortex which is in
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theory sort of about our businesses and
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things so you've given you've given the
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pitch to members for what they will
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receive why they might want to become a
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member if they want to support the show
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but like from your perspective that you
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mentioned this to me a while back that
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this was something that you and Stephen
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were noodling with the idea of maybe
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bringing to rely in the future so like
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as much as you want to go into detail
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like I would be kind of curious to know
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like what what are the reasons that you
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wanted to bring this to really like from
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a business perspective one of the key
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ones was just that people have asked for
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and if people are asking to give you
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it feels like you should maybe try and
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make that happen
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mhm right and and I don't expect that
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and we have no intention that this is
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gonna make us like billions of dollars
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we are still in advertising business
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like this show still going to have ants
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on it i'm not going to talk about the
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membership all the time but I don't want
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to mix those two things up too much
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because i don't think that we would make
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enough money to kind of Eclipse that
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anytime soon
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who because that's what our business is
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built on but it felt like something that
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we could do that would get more money
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for all of our hosts which just feels
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like a thing that we would like to do
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and then also maybe you've already
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bought products more of our sponsors who
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so you can't support us in any other way
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and I've heard people say that to all
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they're like I don't want this or I
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don't want that but i do want to support
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well now you can do it it's just like
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another way for us to maybe grow the
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business and get more money for the
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people that work with us and stuff like
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that which is important to me is the one
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of the others business right
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yeah it's your responsibility to grow
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the business owner mm that's a business
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has to do it grows or it dies or or it
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levels off successfully individuality
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but we don't you talk about those
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businesses right a board-certified there
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either infinite growth to the sky right
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or crushing ran to the ground
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so this is part of the this is part of
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the relay dot FM ever upwards business
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growth because otherwise we crash and I
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apparently what are you worried about
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how the sponsors might feel about this
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now because I don't think that it
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attracts from one of the other like
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people can people will spend their money
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and what they want to spend their money
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on and if they want to buy a mattress
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I don't think giving 5,000 month to us
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is going to change their mind buying a
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mattress you-know-who
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so the other thing then is like you
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mentioned very briefly in your spiel but
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the this is you're not going with
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something like patreon is the big player
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in this game now right like what is the
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business reason for not doing something
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like patreon because I mean from my
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perspective it seems like patreon is
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just the easy thing to do right like you
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can just go you sign up and like they
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they kind of handle everything and
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you've sort of built your own thing but
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like why why did you do that instead of
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going with patreon patrons like really
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restrictive for business and size of
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ours I think because if we wanted to
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just do give money to relay FM LLC like
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patron would've made sense we have one
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patreon account we bring all the money
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in and then we even keep it only
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distributed amongst our host that that
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was that's the decision we could have
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could have made but that's not the one
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that we wanted we wanted to have the
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ability for people to give directly to a
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show we have the ability so you can give
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money to all of our shows but when you
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do that which is awesome if you want to
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do that but then the money gets
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distributed amongst everybody and it's
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quite a lot of people so we set it up
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that if you loved one or two shows i
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collect a lot like you really love those
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shows the most you can give your money
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to those and those hoes get more money
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so if we didn't want to set up like 25
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pages on accounts to do that okay like
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that seems like a nightmare and we
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looked into a bunch of different systems
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and the one that we settled on was the
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one that made the most sense and kind of
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treats everything like its own little
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plan and then we can build it into our
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website and manage it that way
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mm and also like the the patreon system
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with goals and that kind of stuff is not
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really what we wanted to do
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yeah the goal thing on patreon can be a
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bit weird sometimes
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look with the goal to keep doing the
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things yeah exactly and then it's like
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oh we end up at whatever moves patreon
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makes we have to go along with those mm
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so if they're like now you have to have
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seven goals a month that you add
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otherwise it doesn't work anymore and
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like and then they have the whole thing
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you have to publish staff into their
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system for it to trigger the payments
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and it just doesn't scale the way that
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we want to like we don't get to make our
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own decisions but with our system we can
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do whatever we want and we own it all
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which it makes things more complex but
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it allows us to have a starting point
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which is where we are now and we're
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listening to what people are saying and
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we're trying to to grow and adapt it in
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a way that makes the most sense that
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everyone going forward but i think that
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this one was a lot better for us this is
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one show or if we were just taking in
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money just for the business then maybe
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patreon would make more sense but that's
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not the way that we wanted to do it
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it also sounds like this is a bit of the
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platform problem that yeah yearning
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yearning that patreon is now in a weird
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sort of like youtube or any of these
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services where it itself is becoming a
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platform upon which if your business is
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big enough like depending on patreon now
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becomes its own kind of weird problem
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yeah we're a little logic two platforms
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and if we don't need to join one then we
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won't do it and this is a this is
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showing that like we just decided that
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we would build on our own instead right
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so you are you are treating convenience
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for independence excess what's occurring
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here where that is a that is a
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fundamental pillar of my thinking about
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business you can build yourself do it
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because otherwise you you are at the
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mercy of the whims of Industry a right
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but I also i feel the need at this
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moment to just
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it's just a city official i love you
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no no no I'm thinking as is mike mike is
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here talking big about oh you know you
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build it you build it you build that
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it's you know it's good but like haven't
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you had Steven be handling most of this
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behind-the-scenes isn't that the case
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yeah but funny on the business together
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like it's like he's my whipping boy or
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something you own the business together
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but it's also oh yeah we're going to
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build this thing like one person has
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shouldered most of the burden it seems
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like a putting the membership into
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action yeah and I just pop in the night
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before and I'm like change this bit
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change that bit and let you and pretty
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sure he wanted to kill me
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uh-huh but yeah but this is definitely a
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royal we' scenario that wasn't me i just
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had my ideas everything right but yes
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Steven did this like elongated far great
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development team will Jason really is
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not just my curly is mike and Stephen
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has an idea like one person has to make
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it actually come into existence which is
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the harder part than thinking of the
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thing i don't know if it was my idea
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even I don't know where it came from i
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think it was just a thing that we
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decided we would do
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waiter might have been even steven idea
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likely yeah what do you do here Mike
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I don't do anything i just talk to you
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for hours that's my contribution that is
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hard work
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to be fair it's called you mentioned a
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moment ago about businesses ever growing
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infinitely like ours is or crashing in a
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fiery death to the ground
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mm that's happened the one that is very
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important to me which mailbox
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oh yeah this was a mailbox was your
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email client of choice back and we did
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our let's talk about all the email
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clients and why they make a sad
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yeah well we we started talking about
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that because i was under the belief that
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yeah absorbed it absorbed it amoeba-like
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while they're working as they have
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sunsetted it
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oh yeah that a way to say that you do
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the thing lots and lots of people have
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been tweeting and emailing to me about
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this either a letting me know it
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happened right they heard us talk about
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on the show and B which is happening
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more frequently now begging and pleading
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for me to get them a solution please
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help us
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you know that is some kind of starwars
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scenario now right
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I'm i am the peoples only hope at this
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scenario now did this is where we are
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I have to help people see that this kind
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of thing is you're saying right now is
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exactly the sort of overly noble
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viewpoint that I expect people who
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always play the good guys in video games
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to have this like an email client has
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disappeared and mike is viewing himself
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as many peoples only hope for solving
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this problem there's nothing wrong plan
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a good guy video games as many people
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pointed out and many people like me are
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questioning you now as a person who
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likes to play evil people not relevant
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I'm just I'm seeing from your comments
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exactly what i suspected envision
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yourself with wings and a sword
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yeah nothing wrong with trying to be the
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good guy but so anyway Mike are you
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going to solve these people's problem do
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you have a masterful solution for them
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i'm going to tell them what I'm doing
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mmm the features that i want don't exist
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in one app so there is no way for me to
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recreate the system so the recreation is
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in a few different things cross-platform
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snoozing and reordering of email right
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that is like my they were the features
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that I like the most about mailbox there
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is no system that exists right now that
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does all of those things right out of
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everything I've looked at there is no
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other email app I have found that allows
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for manual reordering of email just
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nothing does that so i have to give that
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one up there are lots of different apps
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and services that do snoozing of email
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for example spark the email app that we
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mentioned does that outlook does it
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wasn't there are a few more there there
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are many that allow for email to be
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however none of these have a good
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cross-platform solution and when you're
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doing things like snoozing email you
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kind of need to use the same service
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we're because snoozing email is a real
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hockey thing like put into like a hidden
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folder and their weights and moves it
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back to your inbox again it doesn't
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really work very graciously unless you
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use one platform everywhere
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yeah if you use any of these services
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like like when I was trying out the
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whole bunch of different email clients
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to to see which one might work for me
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you learn very quickly like oh I can't
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actually log into gmail and look at the
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folder structure anymore cuz has each
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individual male client is creating its
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own arcane folder structure that it's
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absorbing messages into try to keep
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track of what it views as news messages
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yeah so it's like if you're going to use
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one of these things you really have to
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be all in on it everywhere you have to
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be making the decision that like i am
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going to use mail client x everywhere
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all the time and I'm just not going to
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be able to access my email directly in
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the same way that I used to some
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solutions that I have potentially found
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that i am not using currently our mail
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pilot which we mentioned last time that
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was the one that made me scream and cry
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because they didn't have notifications
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that was a probably my leading contender
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i think in that last show of alternative
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male clients because it seems to do
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everything except that one thing which i
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do really need plus they have their own
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peculiar way of looking at email from
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home which is which would take some
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learning and one of the things that I am
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coming to a conclusion now is to stop
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relying on the service to provide me
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with a new way to look at email because
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it goes away and I have to rethink
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everything which is why I'm going
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through right now people have been
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suggesting SaneBox to me
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same box has a as the part of their
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service is something called sane later
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whether you can snooze email same box
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isn't an app it's just like a service
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that you can do software and they also
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do some like inbox cleaning things which
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I'm always very cautious of but i know a
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lot of people that use same box and it's
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they seem to love it so that's one
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definitely to check out if you are
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looking at it but it is you still need
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apps and stuff like same box is just a
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little layer that sits on top of things
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and then you know you've got some of the
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apps already mentioned like sparkle
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Sparkle working our iPad and a mac
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client which is also that they're
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working on it but it's not here now is
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it so it's not really a solution but
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many peoples and we just use spark it's
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like yeah like they're gonna be cost
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platforms like mhm and not other if
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there's if there's one thing that I have
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learned with software stuff is when
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someone says a feature or a service on a
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platform is coming it's like I'm just
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going to count that as it isn't until
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it's here yet because i had played the
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waiting game and lost too many times do
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i switch to this new thing while they're
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working on their new one and like nope
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it'll never come if you do that just you
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have to evaluate things as they are in
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their current state because you never
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know how long it's going to take to get
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what you're looking for
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so for me personally I've decided that
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my way forward is to have to think about
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email differently again and I need to a
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pro approach it from a more simplistic
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sounds like you're headed towards my
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solution which is the native mail app
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app it's gonna come get you Mike sooner
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or later all my iPhone and my ipad i am
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using outlook
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uh-huh because i like it a lot outlook
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is a great app it has all of the
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standard features that i need like a
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real great integration with services
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like Dropbox and Google Drive so i can
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very easily grab files and attach them
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and it looks really nice and i like it a
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lot it's a great app it has great apple
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watch support I can preview a lot of the
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email from a notification like I really
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like Outlook a lot but outlook on the
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desktop is nowhere near the same
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application microsoft bought a company
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they turned out look they turned that
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app into outlook on iOS and Android but
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their mac app is in need of a lot of
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love because for example outlook does
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scheduling and snoozing of email but it
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doesn't work on a desktop who
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so again i'm not using it and I'm now
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currently I say currently using that
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male the Apple my mac i hate mail
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I hate it so much the thing that I'm
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noticing currently is it's getting stuck
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when I try and do swiping gestures on
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email like you make all of this you make
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the trackpad and makeup yeah why is this
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not working so i'm looking currently at
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some i'm looking at desktop apps right
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now air mail has been one that I've used
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in the past and i'm going to look at
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that again they're making an iphone app
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which it looks incredible but i'm making
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an ipad app so there's another one and
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i'm also looking at them on Alpha for a
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nap which I think anybody can sign up
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for now I haven't I haven't opened it
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yet but it's called Polly mail and it
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looks really really pretty and it's a
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mad man if there's anything I don't want
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to use an alpha or beta for it's
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something that is interacting I an email
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i had that's why i haven't opened it yet
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but it doesn't look really nice but i
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may not put my real family email account
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into their like I might just put my
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personal email account into there right
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now and see what happens
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yeah that sounds like a deal with the
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devil like a look at this beautiful
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attractive female clients but it's going
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to eat everything our civilian which you
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actually might be a great thing you
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should sign for I have no email anymore
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how makes it okay so my other thing is
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like so now it's like well how do I
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think about email differently so now I'm
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trying to just pay attention to the list
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and keep the list small so i'm doing i'm
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setting up a bunch of folders and stuff
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and putting things in folders and hoping
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that it works so like one of the things
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i would you snoozing forward say i had
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feedback for cortex I don't need to look
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at that immediately when it comes in I
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just need to look at it at the days that
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i know i do prep for cortex where so i
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would snooze it to like monday right
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come on monday i do a little bit and do
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it on wednesday and thursday to get
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everything ready for it so I don't need
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to see on on like friday and plus we do
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this every two weeks i said there's a
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whole week where I don't need it in my
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inbox so I used to snooze until that day
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but now i'm setting up folders for the
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shows and putting that
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in the feedback in those folders when it
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comes in and then the plan is to go in
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and look at them and do something with
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them but then there's other things like
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invalid sponsor requests and keeping on
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top of those and having to put those in
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folders and I'm trying to work out like
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at what point is OmniFocus come into
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this and then instead of setting what
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would be a snooze and the email will pop
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up as a reminder when it comes in to
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follow up on an email i'm now starting
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to set OmniFocus ask for it so it's
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basically everything everything and this
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has been a real valuable lesson to me in
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trusting a system which you cannot
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control as a really important part of
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your business because now like if i look
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at this in the right way and approach it
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the right way the system that I'm
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creating i can use with any email
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service and any to do service
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yeah because it's purely reading email
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filing email and setting tasks anything
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can do that where the mailbox once like
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that system became so important to the
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way that I do my stuff that when it goes
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away I'm like lost and have to rethink
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everything which is a situation i don't
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want to find myself in this is this is
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like one of the fundamental problems
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with a lot of computing stuff is you
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want to be all-in on systems or
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particular products really because they
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give you bigger advantages but then
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you're you're at the mercy of them going
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away or changing and so it's like you
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know the the software giveth and
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software take it away right with one
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hand and with the other and and so it's
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store data have coming honestly yes but
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txt files remain because they are just
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this very slow-moving will be around
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forever can be read by anything
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structure and and your problem with
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okay I map which is this which is the
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system behind most emails and imap will
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probably be around for another 50 years
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and so if you can come up with some kind
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of email-based workflow that is around
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imap that reduces you're worried about
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this particular program going away in
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the future and like okay i can i can
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just have my email system because I'm
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trying to build it on the lowest
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possible level but the trade-off there
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is like you don't get the amazing
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features of being all in on one specific
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app but then you're not sad when it's
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sunset at that app even then like even
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not even thinking about imap it's like
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creating a system which is just
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fundamentally what emails about just
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building on that so even if I you moved
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to a different system or if i'm at went
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away and I was like I'm apt to like the
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things I'm doing or trying to do a very
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likely very very likely to still exist
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like receiving emails and filing emails
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be a real purist about how email should
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work and like how people should handle
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email but I've given that up over time
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both as like my my amount of female has
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grown to be unmanageable and also just
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really like man email like the whole
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notion of like receiving messages from
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people and how to sort them like this is
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just an endless topic and it is so
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particular to the individuals who are
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trying to manage it that like there is
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there is no one way to handle this and
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things that might horrify one person
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about the way they do their email are
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exactly what what somebody else needs
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but you have fundamentally if you can
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reduce it to messages are coming in and
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i have a system of folders that they get
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filed into or maybe you have a couple of
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server-side rules that help you filter
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stuff out like that feels like a pretty
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good long-term will be around forever
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kind of solution i wish you luck with
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it seems like it it really cuts you up
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it does but I tell you what the this
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show has really helped me in dealing
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with this like this therapeutic for you
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well know just not this episode like
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this show in general like thinking more
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about the way I do things and talking to
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you about your system when this happened
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I was like okay I now know what you need
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to do which is as you're right like what
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you do make it very simple and then
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maybe the next step is getting somebody
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to just look after my email for me so I
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never need to read it in first place
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right method that my email system now is
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I ignore it for weeks and weeks until my
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personal assistant tells me that there's
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something that really needs my attention
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hipster in you like I do right so this
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your beard feel or greasy tree Ranger
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tell our listeners a very short story
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ok after our last episode you sent me a
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text message or an iMessage i should say
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and you said to me you know when do you
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think you have the Edit on them
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I told you when I thought I was gonna
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get it done and you like great I might
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be a little bit less responsive than
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usual because I've decided I'm going on
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a trip and I said you where are you
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going and you said i don't know i'm
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going to the train station
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I'm like a leaf on the wind this is the
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exact conversation that we had and then
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you went away for a few days i was very
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confused by all of this the the idea of
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you just your friend we have travel is
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sharing to travel it's like a time when
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I most stressed and prepared
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you seem to just not care about it like
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the whole flying standby stuff and now
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you're just going to a train station and
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getting on a train that you don't even
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know what you where you going hmm so you
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went on a little trip and so what was
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this trip
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yeah yeah i did i did go on a bit of an
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unexpected trip so the listeners of the
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show we'll know very well that normally
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normally what I do after videos this is
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right after the last video without
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normally my plan is that I take a day or
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two off and I just kind of edge out and
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I just play video games and I don't
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really do very much and that's just
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that's just my down time to recover from
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video production and we spoke about this
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last time but i don't know if you
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remember any
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from the episode yeah FML i'm just i'm
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just setting the stage like that's
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normally what I would do
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ok but for a for a variety of reasons it
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wasn't possible to do this time I still
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had too much to do but i was also just
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kind of still feeling like I'm just I'm
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overwhelmed but i also need to just
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recover a little bit like I can't just
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take a couple days off what am I gonna
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do so what I ended up deciding to do at
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the very last moment was like okay I am
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going to take a working vacation right
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now and I'm going to figure out what are
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the working things that I can delay
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what are the working things that I
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cannot delay and I'm just going to go
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somewhere else so that it's like my
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brain has this feeling of like okay
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things are different like this is nice
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limited number of things that I need to
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work on so I packed my microphone
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because i need to record some podcast
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ads which I had not done ahead of time I
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packed my laptop I packed my ipad pro
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which we might talk about later and i
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eventually just ended up in Amsterdam at
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a nice hotel not stay there for a while
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why is that funny to you Mike but i
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ended up like that that's the phrase
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like I thought you were gonna go to like
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warm earth or something like you know I
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think they did you just get experience I
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don't know somewhere in the north
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maybe who knows that explains nobody
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knows where it is but you know I just
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like I go there and that's where i am
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going to be and I'm just kidding i'll be
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able to take me like an hour together
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like ending up in Amsterdam is is quite
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a big undertaking you had to
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did you have your possible with you even
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did you take that
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yeah yeah i took my passport didn't know
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where you were going to be right like so
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being outside of the country that the
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long and short of it is that i was
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who was in Germany and so I didn't know
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that I was going to be heading out of
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the UK so I did bring my passport so
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that's why I had that ahead of
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almost is in the south by the way what's
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in the south
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yeah it's like on the coast it's the
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cards in Scotland know something self so
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it sounds like an old coal mining town
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but I guess it isn't already said Warren
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sorry full month
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yeah sorry not really but just don't
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know anything about you but yeah so
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that's that's just that's just how this
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ended up working and so yeah I even
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though I mean the thing is I didn't it
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didn't really matter where I went
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because I spent most of my time indoors
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at a hotel
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internet and doing a bunch of
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administrative related work but yeah
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well it was a good thing it was a good
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thing to do and it's something I haven't
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I haven't done it recently but
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particularly particularly when I was
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still working as a teacher and also
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trying to do stuff on the side I as
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somewhat regularly did these things that
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my wife and I came to refer to as hotel
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weekends where if I had just a lot to do
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hotel is and so that is like I have
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me and it's very easy to focus on this
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my gonna take out the trash like oh now
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amsterdam for finishing up the trip and
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yeah it was just me kind of dumbfounded
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by all really oh yeah i mean what's
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what's dumbfounding about it seems quite
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yeah but there's just some things you do
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they're so out of character and i know
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that you know your character right so
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that sounds like a weird thing to say
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yeah it's not out of character because I
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did it yeah well now it's part of your
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character but before I don't think
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anybody would guess that you would do
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something like this
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because I certainly didn't yeah well I
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mean is this is probably the first time
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well it's not really sure I was gonna
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say probably the first time I've gone
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somewhere without a clear destination
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but then again like I used to road trip
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across america and that's the entire the
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winter road trip is like I'm vaguely
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heading west and I don't really know
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where I'm going to go but it's it seems
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it seems very reasonable thing seems
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reasonable to me
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yeah thanks i just i find it is a useful
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tool to be separated from your normal
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routine and to be able to focus on an
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amount of work and so it for me it is an
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interesting combination of this is more
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relaxing the normal life which is kind
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of what I needed right after the video
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but i am still able to focus on the work
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that needs to get done so was it was a
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productive like working vacation kind of
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thing that I ended up doing that was the
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trip i recommend it to try people
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yeah wish I could but a lot of my work
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requires a lot of audio equipment and
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that's not so easy to move around i
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brought my microphone with me it's easy
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plug it in here but you sounded super
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weird in the room that you're and that's
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true i didn't sound very weird in the
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room that I was in what I actually need
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to bring us some soundproofing equipment
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and then how do you bring that you know
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okay I am rapidly realizing that maybe
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this is not as as possible for you as I
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was originally expecting yeah I mean I
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guess you were traveling at the same
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time that i was traveling and I believe
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did you record any podcasts while you
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were gone I recorded one but it was a
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special episode like it was i recorded
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top-four will man identified with tiff
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amaka ok but that doesn't count because
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Marco must have sound rooms in his house
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somewhere like he's a little obsessed
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with audio so he would be all ready to
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go for a guest
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yeah he had enough microphones and they
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were all good quality microphones and
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write all the leftovers from his reviews
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that he does
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yep just laying around mark has got
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microphones like I've got ipads he was
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tricking me the because I now have all
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new audio equipment
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he gave me a microphone to use very
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specifically and then play it back to me
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and I splice and fantastic so I've been
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spent hundreds and hundreds of pounds
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but yeah well to answer your question I
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didn't recording shows and i'm away
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before i go away like that everything's
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done advanced who so I precor so I can't
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just be that leaf on the wind that you
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are that free spirit you know your whole
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business you're building a little kids
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around yourself that's what that's
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what's happening here you know all these
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all these shows that you have to record
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at specific times you can't go anywhere
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otherwise it's a it's a big deal if you
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leave an ethical a cage exactly look
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very strong metaphor haha at from my
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dream job
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ok have you do you think it's an
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intentionally provocative metaphor maybe
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I think it might be now I would never do
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such a thing
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mhm you mentioned the ipad pro now you
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spoke about it a little bit in your
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general interest podcast on hello
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Internet Brady was wanting to know if
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you should buy a ipad pro so we
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mentioned it in in brief on there i just
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figured if if we're calling this one the
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fetish podcast then that one is the
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general interest podcast Oh American I
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feel like I feel like I'm not getting
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involved in this
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that's what's happening here I have no
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comment on this yeah I feel like
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especially stay out of it
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yeah so you you know you were talking
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about it a little bit there but this was
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many weeks ago but I could tell because
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you said you didn't have a pencil then
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which I know that you do now because we
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we both had them like i have i have the
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keyboard now too so we both kind of
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fully equipped yeah that's the timing of
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this is interesting because we didn't
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really discuss the ipad pro or the Apple
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pencil on the last episode of cortex
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no we left it out even though at the
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time of that recording i already had the
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Apple pencil because I specifically
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didn't want to do what kind of like oh
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here's my first impressions of of the
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thing because i was viewing this as this
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is a tool that I need to figure out if
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it integrates into my workflow both for
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the ipad pro
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the end for the Apple pencil and so we
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didn't talk about it last time on
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purpose because i wanted to let it
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simmer for awhile and try to see like
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where does this fit how well does this
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work not just like who i tried it out
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and I can sign my name
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how does this actually fit into into my
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life and into my work so yes now we're
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going to talk about ipad pro and Apple
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pencil like what is it three weeks on
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three and a half weeks on something like
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that so you I assume you said you took
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it with you on your trip
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how much were you using it yeah so this
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is a this was very fortuitous timing
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that I got to pencil in time for my trip
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to Amsterdam and I had the keyboard and
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I had everything and I think the theme
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of this conversation can be summarized
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by how I felt packing which was
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oh boy i'm packing this ipad pro and
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unpacking the keyboard case cover and I
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got my pencil in my pocket isn't isn't
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this exciting and then I look over and
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on the floor is like oh right and
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there's you 15-inch macbook pro yeah
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yup that was how I felt going to New
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York because i was like this will be the
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first time something comes up right
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yeah the macbook pro felt like this
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total brick of obligation that I had to
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bring with me I oh well I'm going to be
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editing podcasts and so everything is
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already in logic and so I have to bring
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this laptop with me and also i'm
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bringing the microphone and I just don't
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want to figure out how to record it for
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the first time on the ipad pro so it's
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like you're comin with me laptop and the
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laptop is also always the like you said
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that the device of last resort that
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sometimes you run into a weird problem
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where there's something you just can't
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do on the ipad it's like AI gotta bring
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out the laptop but it was it was just
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quite quite striking this feeling that
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I've never really had before I like it
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always previously felt like my ipad is
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an accessory to my lap
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about the laptop was obviously the main
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thing and this trip was the first time
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it felt so clearly reverse like
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everything I wanted to do i was doing on
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the ipad pro and then the macbook was
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just like oh right I'm gonna go back to
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my hotel room and sit at a desk and use
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this thing for a while
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it's a real it's a real shifting moment
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I think having this ipad pro and having
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worked with it for a while
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couldn't agree more like I am finding
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more and more that i am using my iPad
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pro over my imank who and then my imac
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is like need to do the recording now or
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like need to do the
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like need to do the
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addressing now and I sit down at it or
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there might be some specific task that I
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need to do but more often than not i am
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i'm working on my iPad pro like today I
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i woke up a little later than normal i
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woke up at like 10 and we were recording
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until like three o'clock and i sat down
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in front of my imac at three o'clock but
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I've been working all day
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mhm so from the moment like from 10 to
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3i was working and I was doing it all my
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ipad pro yeah i've been i've been trying
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to think about how to express this
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feeling that I've had increasingly
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towards my OSX devices but that with the
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ipad pro is really crystallized and and
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what is it feels like every machine in
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my house that runs OSX so whether it's
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my imac or whether it's my laptop they
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feel to me
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increasingly like like how the toaster
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feels or how the refrigerator feels like
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it's it's a machine that is there to do
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a specific job but it's not something in
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a way that i am particularly interested
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in or excited about you familiar with
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the cars and trucks metaphor and I mean
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vaguely but give me the give me like the
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rundown of this is this new job thing
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yeah and he was talking about tablet
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computers like Ambrose the ipad and what
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they might do some day 22 desktop
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machines and saying that there are
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people that will always need trucks and
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they are pcs right because they do
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specific things and they're very
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powerful and you need them for very
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specific reasons so things that only the
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trucks can do but some people own trucks
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when they don't actually need trucks and
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they'd be better off of a car which is
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the ipad and eventually a lot of those
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truck people will realize that they can
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be car people
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yeah I'm not sure you think I'm not sure
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that metaphor i can see what he's going
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for and it's very like Steve Jobs kind
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of thing to say she's always like
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pooh-poohing the last thing that they've
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just done and talking about how exciting
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the new thing that they're doing is I
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think the reason that i am i'm not quite
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going along with that is i am really
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aware of how all of the most interesting
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and also all of the most important work
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that I do i do on iOS now and the ipad
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pro feels like it is really the like the
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final nail in the coffin that has has
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turned OSX machines from like Oh general
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purpose exciting computer to pure
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utility alright what's interesting and
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create your videos and recording
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podcasts on s10 so when I'm thinking
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they are there what brings in the most
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biggest part of that and so that is what
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i am doing on my iPad all the time and
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some things with the way that I do the
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writing workflow but so considering that
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goes that's why I spend so much time and
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attention on iOS as opposed to OSX and
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office earlier today and which I am
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sitting in right now which is where I
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record a podcast so just like now it's
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cortex week so I sit down and recording
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cortex with you and I come into my
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office to do that or you next week I'm
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going to record hello internet with
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okay but what other times do I sit down
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my computer when I have a big animation
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week to come in
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that's when I come in and I sit down at
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my computer but I sort of realized that
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i have this office in my new apartment
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she's two years old now which we'll get
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to in a second but I have this office
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that the centerpiece of it is this big
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retina iMac which takes up essentially
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the whole desk when I realized that I
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spend relatively speaking very few of my
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working hours sitting at this desk in
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front of the computer and the reason for
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that is because there's no space on this
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desk to also use my iPad so I'm always
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somewhere else there's like a kitchen
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table in our in our apartment that I'm
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very often finding myself sitting at
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during the day because I'd rather be
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working on an iPad then the gigantic
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computer which seems like it should be
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the thing that I'm working on which is
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now 15 feet away
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I just think that is a really
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interesting shift and like what what I
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was even thinking of is we've been
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toying with the idea of possibly moving
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into a new apartment at some point in
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the near ish future and I was thinking
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about planning out what my office would
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be like if I could have a slightly
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bigger space and I realized like oh I
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think I know what I would do if I had a
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bigger office i would take the desk that
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I am sitting at now which is like the
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centerpiece of my current office and put
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it up against some side of that room and
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just leave it as the machine where I go
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to do very specific kinds of work
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sometimes and i would get a bigger desk
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with nothing on it that that would be
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where i would actually spend most of my
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time working because that's where i
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could sit with an ipad and I just I
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think that is a phenomenal change to me
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that I am even considering relegating my
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computer to side of the room
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non central focus for work like I find
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it amazing that i have come to that
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point and and pass me would never have
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guessed that that that would even be
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something I would consider i find myself
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frequently wishing that my work wasn't
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tied to OS 10
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mm because i have to make all of these
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considerations like I didn't want to
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take my laptop with me on that trip
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right but i had to because i had some
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shows to finish and even if i didn't
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have shows to finish i would be worried
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that if something came up and I need to
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do something with an audio file that I
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could grab it really easily and just go
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into the workforce that i need and have
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all of the apps that i need and it be as
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simple as I need you meant there are
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stuff starting to pop up for iOS now
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that can do some of this stuff but it's
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not seasoned enough yet for me now i
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need to see that that stuff has been
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around for a long time is being added to
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that kind of stuff before I think about
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going to there because i use logic as
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we've mentioned but if logic explodes
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and goes away
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there are other options that i can go to
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who it's we haven't got to that point on
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iOS yet but I expect it will be at some
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point and then maybe I can think
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differently about it again but right now
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that's where I am because I would like
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to i would like to pull a federally
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cover teaching and just always work on
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iOS because all of my favorite apps on
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iOS like and I don't mean like Tweetbot
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saying like always also iOS just like my
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favorite versions of all of my favorite
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apps also an iOS as well like I prefer
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the iOS versions of stuff to anything
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else and i really like like yesterday I
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went to my co-working space and I had a
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bunch of stuff that I needed to do that
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day like it was a real big like 2016
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planning day that I knew who take care
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of who and I threw caution to the wind
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and I picked up my ipad pro I put in my
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bag and left who i was like i'm staying
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out of the house I have to do everything
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I need to do today on my iPad and I
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worked for like six hours and got a ton
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of stuff done and i was able to do it
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all on my iPad pro with my pencil and my
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keyboard and it felt really great and I
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knew when I was doing it that i know a
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lot of my friends that could not have
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coped with what i was doing who because
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it is so far away from
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whether they do things some things were
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a little bit more difficult but some
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things way easier but the whole thing
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was more enjoyable
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yeah that that's definitely something
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that is hard to articulate but iOS to me
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is a much more enjoyable user experience
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even with some of the stuff that's like
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a little clumsy sometimes where yes it
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is it's a bit awkward sometimes to do
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some things on iOS but the whole of it
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is just more enjoyable to use even when
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you're doing things that you don't
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really like to do right and and I think
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part of what makes OSX feel like it's a
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real utility is quite naturally like
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this slowing pace of development and
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change for it like it is solidifying
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over time more into like this is what we
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understand a computer to be in the same
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way as like microwaves or there's not a
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huge amount of revolution in microwave
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interfaces like okay we all understand
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where it is and how these buttons work
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and so it's just not going to change all
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that much
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where's the ipad pro plus the latest
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version of iOS there's no other way to
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this feels like and is the future of
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computing it is just I think there is no
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argument about that and and I i am just
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drawn to it as the platform to do as
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much on it as i possibly can and who one
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of the big things holding me back now
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aside from the podcast which will
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probably i will be doing on a computer
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for a long time coming if not simply
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because i have finally learned how to
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cobble it together with logic and I
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don't feel like learning a new program
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for that like I just want to get it done
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fast but one of the things that's
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holding me back
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going back to our earlier conversation
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about waiting for software is I am
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waiting for someone to come out with the
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first fully capable vector drawing
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program
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for iOS like there's some things that
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kind of work around the edges but
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there's there's nothing that is what i
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need in order to do the animations for
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the videos but i can say like man as
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soon as Adobe decides that they're the
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one who's going to come out with their
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full version of illustrator on the ipad
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or I forget i'll try to find it for the
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show notes but there's another company
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that looks like it's making a very nice
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full-featured vector drawing program
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that can I imagine myself sitting at my
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new desk in a new apartment with just a
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big ipad in front of me doing the
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drawings that way
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yeah I sure can see that as as the
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future and the alternative to doing it
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on my big computer you'd still probably
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be using final cut tho to put it
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together in the same way that you happy
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to use and will continue to use logic
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yeah that's exactly right like Final Cut
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final cut is a program I actually quite
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like and I'm always a little bit sad
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that i actually use Final Cut very
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little like what by when I do all the
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animations when the audio is all done
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it's just a matter of of like lining
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that stuff up and in final cut and I
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hour when all the the audio and
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animations are done so that like that is
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just the again getting back to it like
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this is the utility part like this is
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just a little grinding mechanical thing
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I guess lineup this this animation
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transition when I say this word but it's
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it's not the interesting and important
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work which is creating the illustrations
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in the first place which is also hugely
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time-consuming like that's that's what i
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mean by this new platform being
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interesting and the ipad pro as as being
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really a big enough screen to really
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make it feel like
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quite quite the working device you
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mentioned you want to get a big desk
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mhm now the ipad pro is smaller than
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your computer
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hmm so what is this desk is it going to
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be like some battle station with ipad
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these mounted into it or something like
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yeah is it a desk made out of your old
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iPad so you can just touch everything
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always okay okay so like you're joking
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Mike but ok so here's you here's the
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thing here's the thing right
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I forget you have you watched much Star
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Trek in your life mike i'm not i can
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remember and there you have it
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ok so longtime viewers of Star Trek will
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know this little bit of a cliché that
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they do on the show
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the captain will say something like oh
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we've flown into this new region of
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space and they'll tell some enson I need
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you to bring me all the research on
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everything we know about this sector of
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space that I'm prepared for whatever is
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coming up and so the instant goes away
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and then the answer will come back and
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because it's TV because they have to
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visually show you like oh boy look at
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all this work this person has done the
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answer will come back with what is the
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equivalent of like an arm full of iPad
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minis and it's just like you know why
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they're doing it on TV because they have
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to show it to you but it it does look
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kind of ridiculous when you think about
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it I was like do they need all of those
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ipads it is that like is that really
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necessary
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equipment to people have how to other
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people you use stuff and the number of
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like how you're going to use two ipads
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at once like you lunatic like yeah but
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iPads but as screens and screens that
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alright so one big change then and
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probably why you would want to have this
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the pencil like I just see that is
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something that is probably very
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how that has come for you and working on
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your scripts and stuff
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cautious about the pencil before they
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cut into our actual hands and so now we
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have had it I've been using it for a
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pencil could be summarized in one word I
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yeah which if you go back and you listen
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to our earlier podcast like we made
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offhand reference to previous styluses
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every other stylist has been just awful
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i mean frankly unacceptable if that is
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what they have all been they have all
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had some just deal-breaking flaw and
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acceptability is super high praise in
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the stylus world in all honesty
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acceptable from you your standards of
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standard of a bitch some people's
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amazing i think apple should make ads
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for their Apple pencil and they should
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just put on their acceptable
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pencil now I'm envisioning those posters
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they like to do where everything is all
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white all right so it's just a white
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background it's just the white pencil
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marketing department you can have that
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one if you want to run with it I'm
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but on the block's guys yeah but yes
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it then I would like to be improved
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number of people who say that the
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latency is very very low i think those
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lot of games or who aren't highly
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attuned to latency like when I'm when I
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half maybe three-quarters of a letter
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like it is within acceptable boundaries
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that because it latency isn't a problem
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because it picks up everything which is
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matter what movement i make no matter
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how precise the Apple pencil gets it so
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i'm happy about being a little bit
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behind me so you also find it acceptable
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make almost definitely good i'm glad
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that you find it acceptable it does you
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know it is the closest representation of
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of looking like my handwriting on any
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computer i've ever used so what have you
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some notes which i do hit here and there
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love it the most for is operating iOS
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like a pen tablet
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like it's just so much more precise they
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just way better with the Apple pencil
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find it very pleasurable experience I
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like dragging things around with a
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pencil and you know I take some notes
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like the things that are intended to use
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it for the majority of the time it's
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just purely the way that i use iOS now
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we use my iPad like I just tap things
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people is I like iOS but i think that
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touch screens are fundamentally an organ
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the position that you hold your hand in
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think i'm touching the screen and they
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imagine what they're doing is I is
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holding out there index finger right in
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front of them and pressing straight
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ahead of them but that's not what people
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do if you look at that because you have
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the ipad in front of you and so what'd
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you do to touch the screen very often as
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in this kind of awkward position and I
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buttons because you don't want to
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accidentally press them
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run and holding a pencil in your hand or
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have the Pacific the pencil is so
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precise and so accurate that I can hit
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everything I want to hit ya you're never
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my other eye pads because i want to use
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the pencil on everything that I'm using
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i was using I wanted to be able to split
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screen that application because they
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needed to see two agencies appreciate a
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webpage but google sheets man why even
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bother like oh yeah those google docs
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notes on them it's lovely every time so
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i had to use google sheets on my iPad
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my iPhone because I was entering in some
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information and I kept tapping my iphone
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yeah even though i know i know it
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doesn't work
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yeah but I kept doing it anyway I did
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that for the first time today a few
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hours ago my phone was on the desk i was
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using the ipad pro and I just very
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naturally took the pencil and went to
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swipe the lock screen open on the on the
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phone it's like oh right of course now
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it's a very natural tool that you want
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to use everywhere and I think it really
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it it makes navigating iOS a more easy
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and enjoyable experience than constantly
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trying to reach up in this awkward
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matter with your hand to hit the various
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touch targets i really do think that
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this is only more enjoyable people that
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use pen tablets i really do think that
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and i think you believe that if you are
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used to it it is just flat-out better
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but you need to click get over the
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initial hump until you do it doesn't
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feel better you so you really think that
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with the tablet use on a computer that's
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what everyone at like bored with this
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yeah it's a you and I are just total
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freaks in this world and we will see in
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comments in the reddit that just
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everyone disagrees with us is that your
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hypothesis but but I stand by the fact
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that if you can accept it and get used
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to it you will like it more than you did
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before but you need that I believe that
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there is a hump that you have to go over
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like I have this perfectly good finger
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why would I put something in my hand
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I hate that are given so much also do I
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but I had everybody said that people
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bring up like Oh Steve Jobs said you
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have ten perfectly good stylist is like
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no you don't you did not in your hands
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like this and it's not styluses it's not
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remotely the same the only thing i have
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noticed is that Apple has clearly built
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into the ipad the ability to know that
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it is the pencil and to ignore it in
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certain circumstances so at least in my
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own testing it is impossible to pull up
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control center or pull down notification
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center or anything of the split view
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start it doesn't work i can pull down
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the notification center i have done
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Notification Center but that was like
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randomly one time
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ok I I thought I was just being an idiot
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and then I came to the conclusion that
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Apple has programmed this to ignore the
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like the meta user interface this stuff
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that is not in the apps but that is over
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or outside of the apps so everything all
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the slide over stuff and any of the
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split view stuff it pretends like the
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pencil is not able to to register those
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those marks i think it's an interesting
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choice i don't think it's necessarily
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the the wrong choice but it is notable
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when you get used to manipulating the
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interface with a pencil that there are
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these couple things that it just won't
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let you do even though it obviously
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knows you're touching the screen
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I think I'm okay with it like it doesn't
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bother me i can see I don't know why you
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would make that decision by can see that
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you would if that makes sense like I
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don't know what your reasoning is like
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when it comes up you like all know we
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can't have the pencil operate those
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parts of the US but the fact that they
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that they say is built that way can kind
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of make some with sense to me that I can
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explain
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yeah I i think it is not unreasonable
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decision to make because you might be
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using the pencil in a drawing app and
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come up against the edge a lot and so
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they want to ignore edge input like I
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think that's not unreasonable
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yeah like if you want to draw a line
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from the edge right you would but you
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can't do it anywhere like us you know
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you're gonna pull down the notifications
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after yeah there are ya there are these
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are these funny things with the edge
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swipe gestures now that sometimes make
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some apps
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particularly infuriating think I use I
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use I books to read all my books now and
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I don't know any way to try to get slide
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over or split view to happen while
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you're using a book that doesn't also
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turn the page of the book it's
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impossible to do i SAT there for a while
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like okay I'm going to slide over I
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messages without turning a page in my
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book like there must be a way to do it
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and like now is no way to do this
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because they just don't understand what
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you're trying to do from the edge of the
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screen there's a few apps that are like
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that have edged gestures now which are a
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little bit frustrating into iOS but it's
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a small price to pay
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so DG use the pencil for marking up
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scripts because i know that was one of
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your big designers for ya so getting
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back to the getting back to the pencil
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the reason why I can say it is
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acceptable is that this allows me to do
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the thing that I wanted to do that i
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have tried to do with limited success in
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past years which is that i can now mark
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up scripts just like I had printed them
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off from a printer and was using a real
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pen and it is not an exaggeration to say
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that this is just a game-changing for me
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the ability to do this so I'll just
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described briefly like what what I'm
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doing and I can actually just as i can i
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can share some of this with that
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listeners if anyone wants to try it I
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was trying to figure out how to generate
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a PDF with custom formatting on iOS i
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was messing around for a while I was
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trying to figure out like how can I do
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this how can i do this i have these
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markdown files that i want to turn into
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pdfs but i need custom formatting I
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can't figure it out
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so of course i asked the master the
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teaching and within two seconds he was
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like oh here's the thing that you can do
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like oh thank you
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so he sent me a little workflow in
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editorial which I've been modified for
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my own purposes and i realize i can
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share the link so people want to check
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it out or try it they can they can do
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with themselves so all of my scripts are
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synchronized through dropbox so i can
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open up editorial which has access to
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the current scripts that i'm working on
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press this little button to invoke the
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custom workflow and it spits out a PDF
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of what i want to work
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on and the key thing here is that it it
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triple spaces the words and it makes the
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text really big so i end up with this
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this PDF where there's a lot of space
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that's the gate so i don't know what
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your problem is but now i get its this
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with format you have to do there are
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plenty there are plenty of apps that
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will just convert mark down into a PDF
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but the key is I want lots of space to
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write and actually like let me I'll send
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you a link here let me show you you'll
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have to keep the secret because this is
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a currently in work projects so I i have
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sent Mike so he can see an example of a
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script that I marked up recently using
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this method where I've created a PDF and
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then i can write on top of it with the
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Apple pencil but you listener it can go
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and if you just take a look at that old
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blog post that I wrote called iteration
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which talked about some of the working
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process you can see basically what I'm
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doing there
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although then I did it on paper but I'm
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telling you the ability to at any moment
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make this PDF from any of my scripts and
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work on it in this editing fashion where
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I'm striking out lines where I'm able to
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make little notes it makes such a huge
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difference
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so on this trip and I took a couple of
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trains and I took a couple of flights
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and on on both of these on trains and on
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planes i was able to make these pdfs and
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in like a plane you're sitting in a not
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super comfortable seat like there are
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people around you it's a bad time to
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pull out your mac pro and try to type
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away in a script like there's nothing
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about that that's conducive to this but
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i found with the ipad pro and with the
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pencil i could edit and make notes
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really easily and comfortably in my lap
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on a train or on a plane in a way that I
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would never have worked on a script like
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that in the past but now it's like boom
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i can just do it at any point and i love
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it i absolutely love being able to work
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like this
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I can see it in the work right like an
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looking at what you're doing here i can
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see why it's so beneficial to you to be
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able to do that
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like this is I can see why this is such
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an important tool the kids not only you
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able to make all those notes and to make
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them in a fantastically easy way right
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you just bring on the actual notes
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themselves that are on the screen
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who nothing is printed nothing scanned
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it's all there digitally it's all saved
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everywhere it's like the ideal i used to
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only print out scripts on paper when I
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was kind of stuck with a script that was
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always aware that this was a tool that
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if I'm having a hard time with the
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script printing it out and working on it
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in pen and paper is a helpful thing to
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unstick it because I think about my
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the computer i'm in a kind of growing
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script like it's very easy when you're
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typing to add more but editing is the
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exact reverse we're doing this thing
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where it's a PDF and I'm making notes on
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it it's way easier here to cut things
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printing them out and working on them
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like this it made it more obvious
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sections that needed to be cut like okay
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this is bloated this is bloated like
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just cross it all out scribble it all
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out get rid of its garbage and now i
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have i have really worked it into my
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workflow that like because i don't have
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the hassle of printing and scanning and
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doing all this crap like it's just right
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here I have done so much more of this
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editing on scripts than ever before and
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I just love having it as an optional way
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to work and it's also just a much lower
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barrier to work like it's easier to do
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editing on a script then it is to do the
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thing where I want to talk out loud
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because first of all I need to be in the
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environment where i can do it this kind
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of thing like I'm on a plane I have an
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hour like boom I can make this PDF and I
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can work on it it's just it's just
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perfect for me i absolutely love it so
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the pencil has immediately immediately
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become and
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irreplaceable tool for the kind of work
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that I do it's just astounding I presume
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that you're using it to color in that's
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what you're doing your coloring books
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no because for some insane reason nobody
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has made a good coloring appiah money on
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the table people i'm lying on the table
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I like petitioning some friends like
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that Allah like this will make you
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millions of dollars and i understand
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that purchases for books and oh but they
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just won't listen to me but yeah so I
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don't know from it for me like i said
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this pencil absolutely vital and so now
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i am just terrified that i'm going to
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lose it because it's two things like
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this massive about if I no delays for
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the shipping like I went to look online
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the other day and still like 4-5 weeks
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for shipping and so I am just constantly
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focused on where is it do I have it like
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every time I move i have to make sure
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that I don't love it lose it because if
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I lost it now i will I would be crushed
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I i would be one of these people paying
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scalpers anything on ebay to get it back
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like someone selling one on ebay for
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twice as much great here you got to take
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my money like I need it now because this
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is just part of my workflow immediately
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but I bolt a pen loop that I have stuck
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to my ipad pro even so it has somewhere
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to live
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so I don't lose it we're getting into
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we're getting into the lucrative pencil
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accessory market very soon I imagine
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oh yeah yep i also bought a little a
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clip that goes on a pan called official
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span it's not very elegant clip is way
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too small it looks kind of jokey but it
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stops it from moving
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i sent you a picture my one complaint
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about the pencil or by Jeff I'm gonna
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have a long list of complaints but
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that's not for today conditions
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acceptable but i find it too slippery
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and so I i am indeed i have one of these
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little pencil grips like i used to use
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in kindergarten attached to my Apple
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pencil and I've been trying out a few of
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them i've also been like I'm trying to
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sometimes use the pencil without it
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because i would really prefer not to but
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I do find like if I am right
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in for an hour my hand kind of keeps
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slipping towards the front of the pencil
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like it's a little too slippery for me
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so I do need a grip on it but happy I
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feel like I'm in kindergarten like oh
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hello triangular pencil grip like we
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meet again
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I thought we could I thought I left you
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in my path but no yeah it does make me
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wonder like I had a little bit of a
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thought which is an apple watch edition
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version of the pencil in the future
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yeah I've already suspect this out by
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the way if Apple made something like
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this I would be willing to spend a not
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insubstantial amount of money for
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something that made this feel like one
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of the mechanical pencils i used to use
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doing physics back in college
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Apple there's there's no speaking of
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money on the table like there's money on
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the table here because we already know
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there's a high-end pen market out there
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and I just I wonder if this is something
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Tim Cook seems to love his margins on
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products like i wonder if there's
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something like this in the back of their
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mind for for version two of the pencil
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but what if you suspect out like so you
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could very easily make something that
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costs what you would sell for five
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hundred dollars and make it out of
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materials that a usual in the world that
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I frequent so in my mind this would be
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aluminium mm because then it fits of
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apple products which should be any way
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that is the thing that I absolutely hate
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it I hate the whiteness of it yeah i
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look like i knew i wouldn't like it and
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using it in person in the real world
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I loathe the whiteness of it is too
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conspicuous and to solve your grip
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problem and also to fit with the design
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aesthetic aluminium they would know the
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grip be familiar with Nolan gray like
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I'm thinking about the old mechanical
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pencils that I used to use in college
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and I'm thinking this is like that
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cross-hatching you get around the place
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where you're gripping it like
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that'sthat's what you're talking about
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schooled knowing ya ok darling
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so they would do that to that to the
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grip section yep i think they could put
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a nice clip on it i think that would be
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really nice to people can clip it into
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their pockets more than anything like
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it's not necessarily about the moving
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thing although that is a thing for me
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and something i would really like to see
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them do in a very elegant way which is
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definitely
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possible is a retractable lightning
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lightning plug or whatever you call it
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know you could do it
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ok ok Mike Mike you could
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ok I understand you want like a little
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quickie thing at the end where the
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Lightning port comes out right
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I imagine a twisting mechanism ok or
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twisting mechanism whatever you know
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everyone who uses pens is familiar with
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this right-click on the end or something
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if there's one thing we know about Apple
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is that they hate moving parts that they
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have a war against moving parts and so
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there's no way there's no way they're
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going to have anything like a
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retractable like everyone says this to
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me that I say this too and I understand
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why people feel this way but trust me if
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you like it's this high-end feel there
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are a couple of fountain pens that
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exists that kind of do this type of
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thing and you can it really feels
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incredible late that you twist something
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or you click something and then the the
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Lightning port would pop out the top i
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would very much like that but i can see
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why so many people wouldn't like that my
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aunt might not do it but that is of the
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things that I think they could make that
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is the least important of that scenario
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it's really it's the making out of
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aluminium which is that the key part of
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it and just making a real nice finish on
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it then I think you don't think that'd
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be set at that point and you could sell
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that thing for four or five hundred
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dollars you just gotta wait it really
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nicely like they did a good job at the
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waiting we just pay a lot of attention
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to the way that is weighted and they
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would let you know that would be the
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basis for people like you and me
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yeah i would i would 500 and 500 seems a
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lot but when I considering something
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that would be a tool that I would use
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everyday when I mean like since i got
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the Apple pencil i have used it every
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day intensely for writing for an hour
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two hours and then i'm using it in
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additionally to navigate the interface
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for the rest of the day I know why 500
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sounds a lot but i'm basing it on the
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pen world i have pens made of acrylic
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that cost four hundred dollars
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yes this is the thing where I'm just I'm
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just not familiar with this
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and whereas when apple released their
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their pricing for the app
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watch like I am dimly aware of the
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high-end watch world and so when they
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announced their prices for the Apple
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watch I was like yeah it's a lot but
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it's not it's not like a crazy number in
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the in the high-end watch world and i'm
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just not familiar with like what-what
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are super high-end pens and pencils like
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what do they go for I don't smell super
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high-end okay.what okay.what super
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high-end pencil a pencil or pen rai been
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super high in penn you for you'd be
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looking for figures or maybe like
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clothes tools that like the nine 800-900
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mark the most expensive pen my own cost
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about six hundred dollars very easy to
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get there
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well i guess for people who want to know
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the details of how you get there you
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have a podcast we should go listen to
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which is the pen addict
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yes they should this this is this
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specific plan that was custom made it
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was like so expensive I even picked out
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and sourced the material great i'm sure
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i'm sure you had some organic free-range
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bamboo or something that you had your
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super high-end pen made out of that
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sounds like what you do it's a material
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called to boldy what is the body just
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google it
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just google to bowl deep n t iba ldi
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yeah i am not able to tell what this
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material is by looking at it is in a
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crazed an acrylic like material
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ok and it is stunning
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it is absolutely stunning and it's so
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difficult to photograph because the
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beauty in it is all in the way that the
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lights hit spoken like a man who runs
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the pen podcast we're looking at these
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pictures and I couldn't tell the
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difference from plastic from the photos
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like I was a plastic I like this picture
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that i found hear of someone who has a
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pen that matches their Bentley this is
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like a place in there Bentley car for
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this matching pen
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I'm sure you've already seen this
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ridiculous photo i look at that so i
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guess like this is this is just a thing
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that exists in the luxury world this is
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you want to have a you want to have a
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thousand-dollar pen that matches the
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interior of your car perfectly
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this is the kind of thing that you can
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if I as high and cars would be that one
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you really into these bends Mike I
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