Cortex 23: Business Monk


  good afternoon mr. UK tech 100 i saw on [TS]

  Twitter that you are the 67 coolest UK [TS]

  tech person is that is that was take [TS]

  away from this article that mentions you [TS]

  in Business Insider s60 service the [TS]

  clothes number what is this what is this [TS]

  thing as of right now I'm not a hundred [TS]

  essential i know i received an invite to [TS]

  a party which I'm going to this evening [TS]

  that business insider are hosting a VIP [TS]

  party I my oh my your VIP huh for the [TS]

  top 100 coolest people in technology but [TS]

  I didn't know if I was gonna be on this [TS]

  list they were talking about and then [TS]

  this morning it just popped up and i am [TS]

  apparently the bearded British man i'm [TS]

  making light of this is a real talk for [TS]

  a moment I'm incredibly proud of myself [TS]

  and for a favor I happy today you have [TS]

  been recognized for your hard work and [TS]

  yes it's mike let's see what it would do [TS]

  they say about you [TS]

  they literally do something the bearded [TS]

  and pradesh yeah I currently yep that's [TS]

  me [TS]

  co-founders and host of relief and [TS]

  podcast network launched in 2014 focus [TS]

  on technology with podcast featured by [TS]

  Apple good picture of you there Mike [TS]

  yes on our about page they cropped [TS]

  Stephen out is that Steven shoulder [TS]

  automatically the structure i think so [TS]

  they could have cropped it a little more [TS]

  it did not make it so obvious they could [TS]

  have got any photo of me really like do [TS]

  there are many photos of just me i don't [TS]

  know why they felt like they needed that [TS]

  one but they did you getting ready for [TS]

  this party though you don't you're [TS]

  prepared you need to do need to go soon [TS]

  we're recording this [TS]

  I'm gonna be recording on the road today [TS]

  okay well I i did go and get my hips to [TS]

  trim today I've had my beard and my [TS]

  haircut play by my friend [TS]

  oh this is that that fancy place that [TS]

  you go to for your beard massage or [TS]

  whatever like they have beside yeah [TS]

  that's that's it [TS]

  I don't know how you maintain these [TS]

  things there is a little bit of [TS]

  massaging going on after I ok so i'm not [TS]

  wrong that you should look at how beer [TS]

  decided what a ridiculous notion [TS]

  actually they did massage my period [TS]

  right that's that's what I'm just [TS]

  hearing from me it kind of puts this [TS]

  like bid moisturizer [TS]

  Ernie massages into my face many stung [TS]

  yeah that's I'm gonna call that a beer [TS]

  dressage Michael yeah it around that [TS]

  first I was like I i'm filled this claim [TS]

  and then the like roll back the the [TS]

  thoughts and I was like all know he [TS]

  could do that that's how it ends [TS]

  so i'm currently in that state of when [TS]

  you get a haircut and your clothes are [TS]

  just stabbing you [TS]

  you know I mean I mean that stage right [TS]

  now it's uncomfortable [TS]

  yeah funnily enough wearing the nail and [TS]

  gear t-shirt flying the flag I get yep I [TS]

  actually have a flag as well [TS]

  perfect this is great crickets welcome [TS]

  to the hello Internet nation [TS]

  yeah talking about nations that actually [TS]

  your back in this one after being away [TS]

  for awhile i am again again [TS]

  yes did you just you walk down to the [TS]

  train station and appeared in Amsterdam [TS]

  again is that what happened why is this [TS]

  what i don't understand [TS]

  62like irritate you this whole thing is [TS]

  so strange to me it's just so weird [TS]

  so yeah I have relatively recently [TS]

  returned from a second trip in Amsterdam [TS]

  a second working trip in amsterdam and I [TS]

  feel like it was in the theme of the [TS]

  year of less i went there i did a lot of [TS]

  a lot of thinking I did a lot of work [TS]

  and it was a very good experience for me [TS]

  I like the idea of the year of less [TS]

  entails you going to another country and [TS]

  like shacking up in a hotel reminds him [TS]

  for a few weeks I feel like less would [TS]

  be you know a more minimal environment [TS]

  way or just a home an empty room or [TS]

  something you know [TS]

  okay okay okay okay so listen it's the [TS]

  year of less and more extravagance you [TS]

  coming yeah you're coming at this [TS]

  becoming if this is the wrong way okay [TS]

  so listen I took this trip because it [TS]

  happened to work out that given a couple [TS]

  of of scheduling things i had like a [TS]

  week of no meetings or anything and so I [TS]

  thought at the last moment again i was [TS]

  going to take this trip and do some work [TS]

  but it is [TS]

  less like because the reason I find this [TS]

  trip so beneficial is that it is a [TS]

  decision minimal environment there's [TS]

  there's nothing to decide on on a trip [TS]

  like this so i say like I've done this a [TS]

  hundred times for everything is the [TS]

  second time I've done it but you may you [TS]

  may hear from my voice and I'm thinking [TS]

  in the future that this is a thing that [TS]

  I might want to do again I've been [TS]

  thinking about your cycles that you [TS]

  mentioned last time this has been on my [TS]

  mind a lot i have a hard time figuring [TS]

  out how this exactly works in my [TS]

  schedule but that that thing you said [TS]

  last time about having a non week in an [TS]

  off week I keep thinking about that and [TS]

  how to do that on up on a broader scale [TS]

  but so the hotel thing is the decisions [TS]

  are taken away from me so I went to [TS]

  Amsterdam with this whole notion of like [TS]

  this very limited things here i'm going [TS]

  to have the same food every day i'm not [TS]

  going sightseeing or anything i'm just [TS]

  going to have the same routine [TS]

  everything is going to be super simple [TS]

  and then plus since it is a hotel there [TS]

  are many things like I have none of the [TS]

  concerns of a normal house or I don't [TS]

  have to take out the garbage i don't [TS]

  have to do any of this other stuff and [TS]

  also because i am going on my own it's [TS]

  like there's not another person that I'm [TS]

  thinking when are they coming home [TS]

  there's no external concerns here [TS]

  decisions are very few and it has put me [TS]

  in a very focused mindset and I fell [TS]

  into a really great routine while i was [TS]

  there that I have been attempting to [TS]

  continue to follow since i have been [TS]

  back so that it has been it's a great [TS]

  experience but it is less Mike even [TS]

  though I'm going somewhere else it's [TS]

  definitely less gonna come back to that [TS]

  routine that you mentioned before [TS]

  why amsterdam again the but you could do [TS]

  this in London or somewhere else in the [TS]

  UK like what took you there again [TS]

  because last time if i remember [TS]

  correctly Amsterdam was a good location [TS]

  because you're actually meeting with [TS]

  some friends [TS]

  yeah the the amsterdam thing this time [TS]

  was mostly laziness [TS]

  cuz i decided again at the last moment [TS]

  that i was going to do this and I didn't [TS]

  feel like trying to research a whole [TS]

  other environment right I knew that the [TS]

  place that I was going had the things [TS]

  that I wanted it had minimally decorated [TS]

  rooms of which even the decorations that [TS]

  did exist I put them all in the closet [TS]

  much the confusion of the hotel staff [TS]

  and it had appropriate exercise [TS]

  facilities and there was the ability to [TS]

  run nearby and there were a couple of [TS]

  places in the hotel to work like it [TS]

  ticked all of the boxes for things that [TS]

  I was looking for in a place to work and [TS]

  I didn't want to spend a whole afternoon [TS]

  you know trying to find a second new [TS]

  place I thought since I'm doing this at [TS]

  the last minute let me just go to the [TS]

  guaranteed location [TS]

  I've been thinking about this a lot and [TS]

  it's it's it's hard to it's hard to [TS]

  express but i feel like i have gained [TS]

  this real feeling from doing this it's [TS]

  actually kind of fun in my life when I [TS]

  came back described it as they're like [TS]

  oh you have been on the gray [TS]

  incorporated company retreat but it's [TS]

  just you like there's nobody else but [TS]

  that this was the this was the [TS]

  equivalent thing because when I came [TS]

  back I was talking with her about it a [TS]

  little bit and I imagine like many [TS]

  annoying CEOs of large companies when [TS]

  they go away on retreat they come back [TS]

  in like how we have all these great [TS]

  ideas for how we want to change the way [TS]

  the company works right and all the [TS]

  employees in a god oh now he's read some [TS]

  business book and he has a whole new [TS]

  idea about how things are going to [TS]

  happen and i basically did that to [TS]

  myself with just myself while it was an [TS]

  Amsterdam thinking about it this morning [TS]

  probably the thing i can say the most [TS]

  clearly is in this theme of year of less [TS]

  brackets me when I went here to work and [TS]

  when I established this routine and when [TS]

  there were no decisions to make about [TS]

  what was going to happen it almost [TS]

  brings into very sharp focus how limited [TS]

  amount of time you have to accomplish [TS]

  the number of things you want to do so [TS]

  it's not necessarily that like the day [TS]

  itself is [TS]

  limited but if i look at the list of all [TS]

  of the projects are all of the things [TS]

  that I want to work on there are more [TS]

  things on that list that i could [TS]

  reasonably accomplished in an entire [TS]

  lifetime right if we are in the David [TS]

  Allen parlance looking at a someday [TS]

  maybe list of all of the potential [TS]

  projects that might want to do work on [TS]

  it's like okay there's several human [TS]

  lifetimes of stuff in here like there [TS]

  isn't just enough time for anyone to [TS]

  actually do everything that they want [TS]

  and I don't know I think sometimes being [TS]

  busy with a lot of the little day-to-day [TS]

  stuff of life can kind of hide that I [TS]

  don't know I feel like busyness is this [TS]

  this feeling that you can get wrapped up [TS]

  in that distracts you from how much you [TS]

  are actually accomplishing and and [TS]

  getting done whereas when i was there at [TS]

  the hotel and thinking like okay I am [TS]

  every day at this time just going to [TS]

  write for a certain number of hours and [TS]

  there's no decisions about this like [TS]

  this is just what's going to happen [TS]

  it makes it really clear that like okay [TS]

  if you are working on the things that [TS]

  are most important to you and then that [TS]

  already takes up half of the day like at [TS]

  best you have another half of the day to [TS]

  do other stuff so like what are the [TS]

  things that it's going to fill the rest [TS]

  of that time somehow it just it made me [TS]

  much more aware of the limited time and [TS]

  energy in a way that is not so obvious [TS]

  always in a in a busy [TS]

  normal daily life situation one thinking [TS]

  about is not even so much all of the [TS]

  things that I would like to do forever [TS]

  but sometimes just like all of the [TS]

  things i need to do today who and quite [TS]

  a lot of the time I don't have the time [TS]

  to do them because of the things that [TS]

  occur in my life that I want to do the [TS]

  artwork right so for example when Dina [TS]

  come home and we cook together we eat we [TS]

  talk when we watch TV shows or movies [TS]

  they're all things that I really want to [TS]

  do [TS]

  but if we I didn't do those things i [TS]

  would have more time to get more work [TS]

  done so if I had a really big project [TS]

  and when I do have really big projects [TS]

  we do skip those things but I can kind [TS]

  of see the advantage of having a block [TS]

  of time where there are no distractions [TS]

  like that like i can the more that [TS]

  you're talking about it and even though [TS]

  it is still kind of a little bit crazy [TS]

  and ridiculous to me I do start to see [TS]

  the benefit of completely [TS]

  uninterruptedly i can work for as long [TS]

  as I want time there really is something [TS]

  that is fundamentally different about [TS]

  having big uninterruptedly lakhs of time [TS]

  like even the most minor of of things so [TS]

  when I work at home for example my wife [TS]

  will go to work and then she comes back [TS]

  at some point later in the day her [TS]

  coming home is the world's most minor of [TS]

  interruptions [TS]

  but there's something about when i am [TS]

  home and I'm working [TS]

  there's an awareness of oh my wife is in [TS]

  the house and then there's a feeling of [TS]

  well there's an obligation to spend time [TS]

  with her like and I want to spend time [TS]

  with her and now she's here that's a [TS]

  thing that we can definitely do and then [TS]

  suddenly like the whole work environment [TS]

  just shifts your brain is ever so [TS]

  slightly now debating between two things [TS]

  or having to resist doing the easier [TS]

  option if there's something that you [TS]

  need to finish working on whereas in [TS]

  this kind of constrained environment it [TS]

  like it's just me [TS]

  there's there's no one here to see [TS]

  there's no one here to talk to [TS]

  there's just me and either the work that [TS]

  I'm doing or the few books that i have [TS]

  brought with me that I want to read and [TS]

  focus on and that's it like there is no [TS]

  other place for the brain to get [TS]

  distracted by I think it's really [TS]

  important to point out the those [TS]

  distractions are extremely important [TS]

  that they should happen right like the [TS]

  idea of you deciding i'm going to move [TS]

  to [TS]

  forever on my own because I can do more [TS]

  work 24-7 that is not a healthy thing to [TS]

  do right like you you agree with that [TS]

  yeah yeah they are distractions yes but [TS]

  they're worthwhile distractions but [TS]

  there are times where it's good to just [TS]

  be able to focus completely on something [TS]

  there's two clarifications that I want [TS]

  to bring up here right but the first is [TS]

  that if this podcast has not already [TS]

  made it clear i'll refer you to episode [TS]

  number one entitled I don't really like [TS]

  work and that i have no desire to move [TS]

  to Amsterdam permanently leave all of [TS]

  the responsibilities of my life behind [TS]

  and just work all day every day because [TS]

  I don't really like work fredley it's i [TS]

  am not consumed by work in the way that [TS]

  I think someone like he's always my [TS]

  go-to but like someone like Richard [TS]

  Branson I think for example is a person [TS]

  who is always feel that he's like a [TS]

  broken person but he's broken in a [TS]

  useful way and that that man gets his [TS]

  thrills out of starting new companies he [TS]

  obviously can't not start new companies [TS]

  and always be doing business like that [TS]

  is his obsession and that is why he's a [TS]

  billionaire with a billion companies i [TS]

  I'm not that kind of person i have never [TS]

  been that kind of person i have no [TS]

  aspirations to be that kind of person I [TS]

  am much more interested in the idea of [TS]

  how do i get the maximum amount of [TS]

  result for the amount of time that I'm [TS]

  putting in and one of the things that [TS]

  also aligns with the year of less for me [TS]

  is really trying to be very aware of any [TS]

  kind of working time that is not [TS]

  maximally effective and this is what i [TS]

  mean by a little bit like a like [TS]

  busyness is bad it's very easy to be [TS]

  busy and feel like you're doing a whole [TS]

  bunch of stuff but not actually doing [TS]

  the things that are really [TS]

  and so so going to Amsterdam was not [TS]

  about boy I can't wait to work all day [TS]

  every day because that it like that's [TS]

  not something that necessarily find [TS]

  enjoyable for me it was about I am [TS]

  deciding in advance that this is a place [TS]

  where i am going to be very focused for [TS]

  a finite amount of time on the things [TS]

  that are the most important and so [TS]

  that's why when I was there I was [TS]

  focused primarily on my health actually [TS]

  and then also on writing scripts which [TS]

  is the most valuable thing that I can do [TS]

  in terms of my business and if I wasn't [TS]

  either exercising or writing i was [TS]

  reading a few books that i thought would [TS]

  be helpful in thinking about like the [TS]

  direction of things for the next year [TS]

  and about business and and the rest of [TS]

  it's like those those were the [TS]

  activities that I was focusing on [TS]

  primarily and it it's funny because [TS]

  again like when I think about my routine [TS]

  for the day and how things were going at [TS]

  the end of every day i felt just exhaust [TS]

  I felt just completely drained from the [TS]

  result of a lot of like a full day of [TS]

  being mentally focused on just the [TS]

  things that are the most important so a [TS]

  trip like this to me is valuable and [TS]

  possible i think a key part of it is [TS]

  because there is a clear end point right [TS]

  where it's like I'm going to do this [TS]

  thing at maximum capacity for X number [TS]

  of days and when you have something like [TS]

  that in your mind it's much easier to [TS]

  stick with but I think if I was if I was [TS]

  trying to work like that all of the time [TS]

  just in my normal life I don't think [TS]

  that I could possibly do it like i think [TS]

  i would i would burn out very fast or [TS]

  just be too exhausted after after a [TS]

  certain point like you can't you can't [TS]

  live your life like a monk in a cabin [TS]

  in a city forever or at least I don't [TS]

  want to live my life like that business [TS]

  monk [TS]

  yeah like a business monk it's not [TS]

  possible do you not worry though that [TS]

  the more that you do this the more that [TS]

  you may become dependent on it does not [TS]

  concern you like if you keep doing this [TS]

  so you do this every couple of months [TS]

  you don't worry that you might get in a [TS]

  situation where you can only fully focus [TS]

  when you're in these types of [TS]

  surroundings [TS]

  it's funny while i was actually there [TS]

  one of the books i was reading was [TS]

  talking about in one section just as a [TS]

  slight tangent like The Incredible port [TS]

  importance of working at hotels and [TS]

  working at different environments that [TS]

  was like oh this is positively [TS]

  reinforcing they were describing those [TS]

  things JK Rowling and talking about how [TS]

  she couldn't finish her last book and it [TS]

  helped ended up like booking the entire [TS]

  top floor of some hotel in glasgow and [TS]

  just working there to finish the final [TS]

  harry potter book that's too much she [TS]

  didn't need the whole full you know the [TS]

  penthouse suite or whatever the [TS]

  penthouse ok right like at the top there [TS]

  is the foot that's the hopefully she [TS]

  books out seven rubes I can't really see [TS]

  that there are you don't want neighbors [TS]

  not even in the hotel nobody remembers [TS]

  I'm not worried at all about this [TS]

  becoming a thing that is a necessity for [TS]

  me because I am viewing this as one of [TS]

  the the tools in my arsenal and I really [TS]

  do me like i have been trying to think a [TS]

  lot about trying to do this on some kind [TS]

  of regular schedule and it just so [TS]

  happens that it's been about three [TS]

  months since the last time I went [TS]

  something like oh maybe this is a thing [TS]

  that i can try to plan for to do like [TS]

  once a quarter and maybe the idea of [TS]

  having that as a as a thing that I can [TS]

  anticipate and plan for maybe this would [TS]

  work really well in in a schedule as as [TS]

  part of this idea like have a cycle to [TS]

  your work don't just have a constant [TS]

  uniform grind to what it is that you're [TS]

  doing [TS]

  I think the only way you can save [TS]

  yourself from yourself is to put this in [TS]

  your schedule [TS]

  I genuinely mean that as well like I [TS]

  think if you don't plan this type of [TS]

  thing in you you could end up in a [TS]

  situation for you cannot work in London [TS]

  let's see I think it's the exact reverse [TS]

  here that if I don't put this in a [TS]

  schedule it will be very difficult to [TS]

  actually make time for this again this [TS]

  this trip just happened because a bunch [TS]

  of things in a particular we cancelled [TS]

  leaving me unexpectedly free but that's [TS]

  not a normal situation so I think it's [TS]

  actually the reverse I need to plan for [TS]

  this to ensure that it does happen [TS]

  not if i don't plan for it it will creep [TS]

  and take over my entire life [TS]

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  you mentioned a routine ya doing email [TS]

  again half the time i'm still terrible [TS]

  at email that's absolutely terrible at [TS]

  email [TS]

  yeah I I i had a good routine they're [TS]

  described the general day look like that [TS]

  so I i got up at about six in the [TS]

  morning most days and i went down to the [TS]

  restaurants and I got the same same [TS]

  breakfast every morning because it'sit's [TS]

  no decision so we just get an omelet and [TS]

  I would get a coffee and I would read [TS]

  for maybe half an hour while i was [TS]

  having breakfast and then right after [TS]

  having breakfast i went back up to the [TS]

  hotel room and this is kind of key thing [TS]

  was in the hotel room I then had my my [TS]

  pad pro actually set up sort of Honor [TS]

  this is on a chair on a desk in the [TS]

  hotel rooms that I was at standing [TS]

  height and i would write the scripts [TS]

  that I was currently working on for as [TS]

  long as i was able to do that like as [TS]

  long as I could stay focused on this [TS]

  script and still feel like i am making [TS]

  progress on it and so these were usually [TS]

  sessions that were like three or maybe [TS]

  four hours long depending on the morning [TS]

  and as always at the stuff i look kind [TS]

  of like a crazy person because the most [TS]

  effective way for me to spend time [TS]

  writing is actually [TS]

  to be talking it out loud so it was a [TS]

  lot of time of I'm standing up I'm kind [TS]

  of pacing back and forth a little bit [TS]

  but reading reading it out loud or like [TS]

  trying out new sentences out loud and [TS]

  then adding them to the script if I like [TS]

  them are cutting stuff out and so that [TS]

  that is without a doubt and also [TS]

  according to my spreadsheets the most [TS]

  effective way that i can spend my time [TS]

  it is bringing a script closer to [TS]

  completion and it is also the most [TS]

  focused and mentally draining of the [TS]

  time that i can spend and I think in [TS]

  some ways this is this is similar to [TS]

  people who do computer programming that [TS]

  blocks of uninterruptedly time where you [TS]

  can really get into the focus of it is [TS]

  incredibly valuable and difficult to [TS]

  replicate time and just the simple [TS]

  knowledge that there was nothing else on [TS]

  my calendar for the rest of the day like [TS]

  there was no podcaster record there was [TS]

  no Bank appointment to go to there was [TS]

  no nothing it mentally changes the frame [TS]

  like it it it feels like there is a [TS]

  relief like the brain can relax and say [TS]

  okay look if if we were here for five [TS]

  hours or six hours it wouldn't matter [TS]

  because there's nowhere to be like you [TS]

  can just focus on this thing until the [TS]

  point at which you are done and you [TS]

  don't have to worry about trying to shut [TS]

  stuff down before you're finished or not [TS]

  so that that part of the day like just [TS]

  that morning part was the absolute most [TS]

  valuable thing like getting up at a [TS]

  consistent time having as people know [TS]

  like I'm very sensitive to changes in [TS]

  the early morning schedule like if [TS]

  things don't go quite right in the [TS]

  morning it has bad knock-on effects [TS]

  forming was like no this is going to [TS]

  work perfectly every time in this hotel [TS]

  because you're going to get up the [TS]

  restaurants always going to be there is [TS]

  always going to be nobody there because [TS]

  you're the only lunatic in the [TS]

  restaurant at six in the morning you're [TS]

  going to get the exact same on that [TS]

  you're going to read for the same [TS]

  amount of time then you're going to go [TS]

  up and you're going to be able to now [TS]

  focus on the writing in an environment [TS]

  where you're guaranteed not to be [TS]

  interrupted and you have nothing on the [TS]

  schedule later in the day so that was [TS]

  the that was the morning part of it when [TS]

  i was done writing then that was where I [TS]

  changed and I focused on health so that [TS]

  I would go to the gym or i would go for [TS]

  a run so I was alternating that on [TS]

  either days and at that point like after [TS]

  going to the gym or going for a run [TS]

  which always takes a surprisingly long [TS]

  amount of time for some reason my brain [TS]

  I'm always thinking like oh good [TS]

  exercising is going to take half an hour [TS]

  but but the whole thing between like [TS]

  getting ready actually exercising and [TS]

  then coming back and and taking a shower [TS]

  and change like I find that whole thing [TS]

  takes way longer than you always think [TS]

  it does nothing I wanted to yeah that's [TS]

  exactly it [TS]

  maybe that's what is my brain is like as [TS]

  will be 20 minutes it's like actually [TS]

  it's like an hour-and-a-half buddy do [TS]

  you know this right like this happens [TS]

  every day like that i'll be twenty [TS]

  minutes this time now I've got it down [TS]

  yeah it just it just never works out [TS]

  that way and so I at this point having [TS]

  done the writing mental exhaustion and [TS]

  then exercise physical exhaustion I was [TS]

  a completely drained human being [TS]

  it's just like I can do nothing now and [TS]

  so as I have learned well this is an [TS]

  excellent time to do the thing that i [TS]

  mentioned on earlier podcast which is [TS]

  the the coffee power nap thing right [TS]

  where you have some caffeine right [TS]

  before taking a nap which then allows [TS]

  you to sleep briefly but wake up without [TS]

  any kind of sleep inertia and then in [TS]

  the rest of the day like afternoons are [TS]

  not super productive times for me as i [TS]

  have mentioned but then i would read for [TS]

  a large portion of the afternoon until [TS]

  there was an early dinner that I would [TS]

  have always the same thing there was one [TS]

  restaurant that I was either ordering a [TS]

  burger from or this kind of chicken [TS]

  dinner from alternating either days so [TS]

  again no decisions to be made there [TS]

  whatsoever and then in the evenings [TS]

  often find that I have an additional [TS]

  burst [TS]

  of energy to work on things and then I [TS]

  was working on just a bunch of projects [TS]

  that had been causing me the most amount [TS]

  of stress related to my business i [TS]

  finally finished a whole bunch of stuff [TS]

  related to taxes and like it's just a [TS]

  bunch of business nonsense that it's not [TS]

  super important in the same way that a [TS]

  video is but it was important to get [TS]

  done because i had been aware that in [TS]

  the past few months it had been really [TS]

  dragging on my mind so I was able to [TS]

  really kill a few projects while i was [TS]

  there that feel like they were mentally [TS]

  freeing to get done and then you know [TS]

  after after that maybe just read a [TS]

  little bit before bed and then fall [TS]

  asleep and do the whole thing again the [TS]

  next day and it was glorious [TS]

  it was absolutely glorious yeah knowing [TS]

  you as I know you I can see what you [TS]

  left that it's also i like I didn't [TS]

  leave the hotel most days because there [TS]

  was no need to as crazy as it sounds [TS]

  there was no time to make it really felt [TS]

  that way [TS]

  yeah sure almost every day like I like [TS]

  this is what i mean by there's this [TS]

  feeling of it highlights the year of [TS]

  less in a way that is hard to articulate [TS]

  was like in some ways i was doing so [TS]

  little but also never felt like the days [TS]

  were shorter like how could I possibly [TS]

  do anything else how could I have any [TS]

  other life outside of this i know not [TS]

  like the the day just flies by [TS]

  even though it's like okay what have I [TS]

  done I've done some writing I've done [TS]

  some exercise done some reading and I've [TS]

  done some administration it's like for [TS]

  actual discrete tasks but then the day [TS]

  is over and i'm exhausted [TS]

  why can't you replicate a lot of the [TS]

  home because Mike life life intrudes in [TS]

  a way [TS]

  life finds away yeah life finds a way to [TS]

  annoy you and this kind of activity is [TS]

  an artificial holding at bay a bunch of [TS]

  things like you can't actually live your [TS]

  life and this totally disconnected way [TS]

  and as contrast because i had been [TS]

  holding a bunch of things back when I [TS]

  returned home everything was waiting for [TS]

  me [TS]

  and the very first day that I had back [TS]

  after this amsterdam trip was the exact [TS]

  opposite of this that's like okay so I [TS]

  get up in the morning and my wife is [TS]

  awake as well and so she's getting ready [TS]

  for work and like we have a little [TS]

  morning routine like we're talking to [TS]

  each other and then so she goes off to [TS]

  work and I sit down and like okay I'm [TS]

  gonna get going to get right to writing [TS]

  now and not five minutes later like the [TS]

  front doorbell rings and there's a [TS]

  package from amazon you know [TS]

  okay great thanks ok fine package from [TS]

  amazon like a sign for it I grabbed it I [TS]

  go back to sit down and literally not [TS]

  ten minutes later because i had to check [TS]

  my watch because i couldn't believe that [TS]

  it wasn't true [TS]

  ding dong bell rings again and there's a [TS]

  guy who needs to come and check the gas [TS]

  meter in the house no okay fine [TS]

  come in and check the gas meter and so [TS]

  don't worry i only be five minutes okay [TS]

  but now there's someone in the house and [TS]

  I can't be pacing around like a crazy [TS]

  person talking out loud and writing and [TS]

  it's also just weird that someone's [TS]

  there and of course with these things [TS]

  it's a creeping delay and he's not there [TS]

  for five minutes [TS]

  he's actually there for an hour and a [TS]

  half like that's how long he was there [TS]

  for what was he doing there was [TS]

  something broke in and something needs [TS]

  to be fixed and then a second guy need [TS]

  to come and it's like it my perspective [TS]

  on it is like I don't care what they [TS]

  were doing right it doesn't matter they [TS]

  just need to fix something in the house [TS]

  but it just took forever and then I had [TS]

  after that there was a phone call that I [TS]

  had to take like a meeting that I had to [TS]

  take with someone while I had to take [TS]

  that meeting someone else came to the [TS]

  house who need to repair a lock on the [TS]

  front door so like I need so now I'm [TS]

  like on the phone while someone's in the [TS]

  house repairing a lock on the front door [TS]

  and the lock guy leaves because i was on [TS]

  the phone I didn't have a chance like [TS]

  check his work entirely and it didn't [TS]

  wasn't fix the first time so like now I [TS]

  need to arrange for him to come back and [TS]

  do this other thing I forget what it was [TS]

  there was some other thing that happened [TS]

  in the evening and it was one of these [TS]

  days was like I cannot believe this this [TS]

  is the exact opposite of this experience [TS]

  like i have now come back i have had an [TS]

  entire day that his felt really busy and [TS]

  draining but over which I feel like I [TS]

  have accomplished literally nothing like [TS]

  okay [TS]

  the gas that i thought was fine was [TS]

  fixed but so from my perspective like [TS]

  nothing has really changed [TS]

  I do and wanted to fix the lock but [TS]

  didn't fix the lock and then you know [TS]

  it's just like I received some packages [TS]

  okay great packages i obviously there's [TS]

  stuff in the house that I need these [TS]

  packages for but when i'm in a hotel [TS]

  like I don't need any of these things [TS]

  because all just taken care of so this [TS]

  is what I mean like it's an artificial [TS]

  environment that only works for a [TS]

  limited amount of time right you you [TS]

  have to come back to regular life and [TS]

  regular like this has all of these [TS]

  little intrusions that are that are [TS]

  frustrating but the one thing that I [TS]

  have definitely taken away from this [TS]

  like the concrete thing that is going to [TS]

  be different is I am now looking for a [TS]

  dedicated office space in London so I [TS]

  don't I don't yet know how practical [TS]

  this idea is I don't have a good [TS]

  understanding of the office space rental [TS]

  market around where I am I don't know [TS]

  I'm just beginning to look into this but [TS]

  from this trip I was thinking about it [TS]

  afterwards and thinking okay what was [TS]

  the most valuable part the most valuable [TS]

  part was that initial writing and the [TS]

  thing that it depended on was a space [TS]

  that was my own that was private at [TS]

  which i will receive no interruptions [TS]

  and so I thought okay let me try to [TS]

  replicate this [TS]

  so what I'm going to try to do is just [TS]

  find an office it's like a room [TS]

  somewhere nearby that has a door that I [TS]

  can close so with my own space and I can [TS]

  just go there first thing in the morning [TS]

  and not either try to stay at home but [TS]

  then be vaguely worried about just [TS]

  pointless interruptions which happen all [TS]

  the time especially when you live in a [TS]

  building where there's like 15 [TS]

  apartments and so anybody delivering [TS]

  packages all the time will just press [TS]

  all of the button so that someone [TS]

  answers which is hugely frustrating so [TS]

  that's the idea like I'm gonna see if I [TS]

  can replicate at least the most valuable [TS]

  part of that experience going forward in [TS]

  the future but I really literally just [TS]

  have started this in the past couple [TS]

  days I don't have any idea if this is [TS]

  gonna work out or how practical it is [TS]

  but I'm [TS]

  I'm hoping to take away this valuable [TS]

  part and reproduce it here when you said [TS]

  that those is part of made it was gonna [TS]

  ask you but seriously was going to ask [TS]

  you all that sounds interesting let me [TS]

  know if you need a desk mate and then [TS]

  realize how that is like the complete [TS]

  opposite of what you want you would be [TS]

  the worst Deskmate you'd be the works [TS]

  because I'll be so awesome [TS]

  no you'd be doing podcasting stuff I [TS]

  wouldn't record from the office doesn't [TS]

  matter it doesn't matter if i don't have [TS]

  a desk mate i'm not i'm not splitting [TS]

  the rent with you this is the whole [TS]

  purpose of this thing exactly that's why [TS]

  that's why so ridiculous that had the [TS]

  idea like all this is a good idea I'll [TS]

  go in with you and then realized how [TS]

  terrible that would be yeah maybe we [TS]

  just find someone with two rooms and we [TS]

  just never talked to each other now I [TS]

  just don't take this the wrong way Mike [TS]

  but I don't want to be anywhere near you [TS]

  with my office and flickers gotta be [TS]

  separate this is the whole thing has to [TS]

  be completely separate keep my office [TS]

  away from you for those listeners who [TS]

  remembered me mentioning in path that I [TS]

  do have a co-working space and wondering [TS]

  what the deal is going on this trip made [TS]

  me realize something that was obvious in [TS]

  retrospect but was not obvious until I [TS]

  had a break from it which is that over [TS]

  maybe the past six months in particular [TS]

  my co-working space has gotten very [TS]

  popular it is very busy and I used to be [TS]

  very good at using it outside of normal [TS]

  business hours using it in the evening [TS]

  when I could have it all to myself or [TS]

  using it on the weekends when no one [TS]

  would come in or sometimes using it very [TS]

  early in the morning but I sort of [TS]

  didn't notice that over the last six [TS]

  months there were always people there [TS]

  now it doesn't matter what time i show [TS]

  up it doesn't matter if it's on the [TS]

  weekend i'm always always have this [TS]

  thought right which is great so I'll [TS]

  walk in and it'll be like 6 p.m. on a [TS]

  sunday and i think okay great i'll let [TS]

  me go to space and have it to my own i [TS]

  can i can talk out loud and I walk in [TS]

  and they'll be some people in there and [TS]

  I'll always have the exact same thought [TS]

  like who are these losers in this [TS]

  co-working space right now what's wrong [TS]

  with year that you have a life that is [TS]

  it always my father uh what the hell are [TS]

  you guys doing here [TS]

  I'm supposed to be the only loser who's [TS]

  here right now put your [TS]

  here this ruins everything for me but [TS]

  again it's it sounds dumb but something [TS]

  about like this slow increase of people [TS]

  being there over a long period of time [TS]

  made the change invisible [TS]

  yeah until I realized like oh man having [TS]

  a guaranteed private space that i can go [TS]

  to without interruption is invaluable is [TS]

  like duh [TS]

  man that's so obvious but you don't [TS]

  notice things until you see until [TS]

  there's like a change and then you can [TS]

  reflect back on what what is different [TS]

  so that that is that has been extremely [TS]

  valuable for me if I was in the position [TS]

  location wise to be able to read to rent [TS]

  an office space just like that which I [TS]

  could set up equipment and it could be [TS]

  all safe and it's over in walking [TS]

  distance [TS]

  I would have done that already who it is [TS]

  continuing to work a hundred percent [TS]

  home [TS]

  I don't think in the long term is going [TS]

  to be the best scenario for me [TS]

  yes actually it's actually brings up [TS]

  another thing that has come to the front [TS]

  of my mind as a result of this trip [TS]

  which is I have this clear feeling of [TS]

  location contamination and what I mean [TS]

  by this is I I the longer i had been [TS]

  self-employed the more firmly I believe [TS]

  in this idea like okay when you don't [TS]

  have clear constraints on your work it [TS]

  is very helpful to associate particular [TS]

  activities with particular routines or [TS]

  locations and so even within the hotel [TS]

  when I was in Amsterdam I was very [TS]

  conscious of i am only on this side of [TS]

  the room when I'm talking out loud and [TS]

  doing the writing and i'm only going to [TS]

  be at this table in this cafe downstairs [TS]

  when i'm doing administration stuff to [TS]

  clear other projects like the only thing [TS]

  i'm doing in the gym is i am working out [TS]

  in the gym I'm not lounging around since [TS]

  they was doing the gym ahead take my [TS]

  laptop to the gym [TS]

  no matter how like they had like a spot [TS]

  section kind of thing and I just like [TS]

  this is this feels like a weird [TS]

  contamination like they had a place [TS]

  where you can sit you know anything no I [TS]

  don't want to do this and listen to like [TS]

  Zen music or something like now this is [TS]

  to this is like the same routine and the [TS]

  same environment like going into the gym [TS]

  and you know getting flip-flops or [TS]

  whatever I just feel like you have to [TS]

  keep things clear and and mixing stuff [TS]

  is bad and I don't know what episode it [TS]

  was on but on one of the earlier [TS]

  episodes of cortex that I made a comment [TS]

  and it's like okay now I understand why [TS]

  but I i said that i have found that my [TS]

  home office even though i am super [TS]

  thrilled to have it is a place of a [TS]

  really low per our productivity in many [TS]

  ways for me and I think I know why now [TS]

  and the reason is because I have since I [TS]

  moved in here done almost every single [TS]

  kind of activity in this room like I [TS]

  will write scripts in this room i will [TS]

  animate in this room i'm recording a [TS]

  podcast right now in this room i will [TS]

  edit a podcast in this room i will also [TS]

  then do administration like email work [TS]

  here but like also when I'm editing a [TS]

  podcast i'll be playing a game at the [TS]

  same time in this room is like this [TS]

  office is great to have at home but it [TS]

  is suffering from this problem of like [TS]

  it's not clear to my brain [TS]

  what am I supposed to be doing right now [TS]

  in this space [TS]

  it's never clear because i do almost [TS]

  absolutely everything so my idea with [TS]

  trying to rent out an office space in [TS]

  London if i can do it is i'm going to [TS]

  try very hard to only have writing and [TS]

  talking out loud happened in that room [TS]

  right there is i'm going to go into this [TS]

  room going to do this particular [TS]

  activity and if I'm not doing this [TS]

  particular activity i'm going to leave [TS]

  brightness that I think I want my brain [TS]

  to learn that this happens here and then [TS]

  that that it has like a little bit more [TS]

  of a separation was like okay then my [TS]

  home office becomes much more of a [TS]

  a podcast recording and editing place [TS]

  but i'm not even going to try to write [TS]

  in my home office i'm going to try to [TS]

  always do it in a particular place i'm [TS]

  convinced that this is very helpful but [TS]

  i'm curious to try to be much more [TS]

  conscious about this going forward to [TS]

  have like locations and routines [TS]

  associated with particular kinds of work [TS]

  so I never for example want to bring all [TS]

  of my tax paperwork and do like do all [TS]

  of that stuff in the same place that I [TS]

  want to be the place where I do writing [TS]

  i'm going to try to keep things much [TS]

  more separate going going forward from [TS]

  here on out you know what makes it was [TS]

  what when your officers also your [TS]

  bedroom [TS]

  well I have as I was discussing about [TS]

  this i was thinking about you Mike [TS]

  yeah who do you want to tell the people [TS]

  why you were thinking about that gray [TS]

  yeah because we actually had our first [TS]

  facetime chat ever that's not so great i [TS]

  need to call me for something and [TS]

  instead of calling me on live audio like [TS]

  people do I see [TS]

  cgpgrey cooling i press the answer [TS]

  button and LP pops any concede my [TS]

  bedroom that I didn't want you my [TS]

  bedroom gray well you know you let me in [TS]

  the press we accept but yeah I can't [TS]

  wait to change this like you know and I [TS]

  understand the idea of like having the [TS]

  Home Office brings those problems but [TS]

  i'm really looking forward to sleeping [TS]

  in a different room but my Jessica's in [TS]

  oh yeah don't get me wrong like the Home [TS]

  Office problem [TS]

  this is way better than having a single [TS]

  room in which you do literally [TS]

  everything having your podcasting studio [TS]

  also be your bedroom is is frustrating [TS]

  it's frustrating but you didn't make [TS]

  your bed when I called I was surprised [TS]

  that was just unmade bed in the [TS]

  background so tell people my secrets but [TS]

  you don't make your bed at I'm sure [TS]

  nobody else does that just isn't as a [TS]

  quick piece of evidence that i think [TS]

  favors this theory is going back to [TS]

  what you refer to as the spider dungeon [TS]

  I have a spot attention the original [TS]

  place where i started my youtube career [TS]

  I think that that is great evidence for [TS]

  this because like that environment was [TS]

  horrible but it had the key feature that [TS]

  my brain learned like when you are in [TS]

  the basement you are writing and this is [TS]

  the only activity that we do down here [TS]

  because it's a horrible place we can [TS]

  tell what its day but it's also the only [TS]

  place where I could be on my own and [TS]

  talk out loud and not disturb you know [TS]

  my wife or neighbors or anybody else or [TS]

  anything so I feel like I lucked out in [TS]

  my early career by doing that kind of [TS]

  behavior train your brain to associate [TS]

  this work with this place and in the [TS]

  past couple years I haven't been doing [TS]

  that so much has been a lot of bleeding [TS]

  over of edges and boundaries and so i [TS]

  think i'm going to attempt to [TS]

  reinstitute that as a lesson that I have [TS]

  learned from my most recent trip and [TS]

  amsterdam [TS]

  I don't know Mike how well I've been [TS]

  explaining this stuff i have this [TS]

  feeling as a result of the end of this [TS]

  trip is difficult to articulate and you [TS]

  know only analogy that I can make is I [TS]

  have I have heard from people who do [TS]

  psychedelic substances they have a [TS]

  feeling that sticks with them long after [TS]

  doing psychedelic substances that they [TS]

  find difficult to articulate but that [TS]

  nonetheless is a positive experience [TS]

  that they find influences their future [TS]

  behavior [TS]

  mhm and I think that's what amsterdam [TS]

  this trip was like for me in the most [TS]

  boring work way possible i feel like [TS]

  i've had some kind of business [TS]

  psychedelic experience that is [TS]

  impossible to explain to outsiders but [TS]

  is nonetheless positive and is affecting [TS]

  my future decisions so in summary you [TS]

  went to answer them you had a [TS]

  psychedelic experience and now you're [TS]

  gonna get an office [TS]

  yeah okay the end today's episode of [TS]

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  where as much as I want Apple pencil [TS]

  support to to come back to us in the way [TS]

  that we wish when that came out a little [TS]

  bit like man if they put it back in [TS]

  today apples were in the sure i was in [TS]

  her i was in a real quandary great about [TS]

  that [TS]

  do I want it back enough that yeah i'm [TS]

  happy for the show to be completely [TS]

  outdated within hours the answer is yes [TS]

  Mike [TS]

  yes and you know you felt you felt in it [TS]

  some sort of conflict about this because [TS]

  of your business man tendencies but I [TS]

  couldn't have cared less [TS]

  I wanted that I wanted the pencil [TS]

  support back the way it's supposed to be [TS]

  immediately and I would have gladly [TS]

  immolated the show that we had just [TS]

  released hours before in order to have [TS]

  that but you still have your wish here [TS]

  Mike because i'm going to talk about the [TS]

  Apple pencil some more because nothing [TS]

  nothing has changed [TS]

  actually that's not strictly true [TS]

  because i have had several independent [TS]

  unrelated sources in the no confirmed to [TS]

  me what was simply a fear last time that [TS]

  removing the functionality of the Apple [TS]

  pencil is a decision inside of Apple it [TS]

  is not a bug that they have overlooked [TS]

  43 betas it is a decision and I [TS]

  obviously think it is an absolutely [TS]

  disastrous decision but it seems like [TS]

  this is something that Apple wants to do [TS]

  differently and i would like to take [TS]

  another swing at trying to convince them [TS]

  to not do this differently [TS]

  yeah i would also like that so what we [TS]

  can carry on on this but it has been [TS]

  frustrating to hear this from a few [TS]

  different corners of people saying that [TS]

  that this this is something that Apple [TS]

  wants to do have you been invited to [TS]

  cupertino for secret meeting yet i have [TS]

  not been invited to cupertino I am I am [TS]

  waiting just check your spam folder with [TS]

  its revolting but if you are at apple [TS]

  and would like to invite you to [TS]

  cupertino up please use the contact form [TS]

  on my website [TS]

  I think my personal assistant can find [TS]

  that and bring it to my attention [TS]

  because i'm terrible at email i would [TS]

  really hate to seek an email from tim @ [TS] three months from now when I [TS]

  actually go through all of my public you [TS]

  okay it could be in that you don't even [TS]

  know [TS]

  no it can't be in there but maybe I [TS]

  should search for at after the [TS]

  fuck haha so here's what here's the [TS]

  thing here's the thing right so i think [TS]

  this is a terrible decision but I have [TS]

  been given some indications from people [TS]

  that they're like oh but don't worry [TS]

  apple has amazing stuff planned for the [TS]

  pencil [TS]

  yeah and as we try to discuss last time [TS]

  I don't care at all about the amazing [TS]

  stuff that they have planned but but [TS]

  trying to think it through so I here [TS]

  here is my imagining of what is going on [TS]

  an apple [TS]

  okay what do you want the pencil to be [TS]

  able to do that you can't do if the [TS]

  pencil can scroll the safari web page or [TS]

  turn a page in a book or slide over and [TS]

  share she like what like what is on [TS]

  their mind and my best guess at this is [TS]

  that Apple's idea is they want people to [TS]

  be able to mark up whatever they are [TS]

  looking at this this has been a very [TS]

  popular theory in the red thread as well [TS]

  the the thing that really makes me sad [TS]

  about this is it seems to me like the [TS]

  perfect kind of thing that makes a great [TS]

  demo on stage like I can see someone [TS]

  who's thinking about demoing new [TS]

  features on stage loving the idea of [TS]

  pulling up a website circling something [TS]

  on that website and then being able to [TS]

  send like a picture of the screen with [TS]

  the circle on the page to their friend [TS]

  or whatever it just seemed like a great [TS]

  tech demo that someone would love to do [TS]

  despite like the actual usefulness of [TS]

  that like how much is someone going to [TS]

  do that in the same way that I think of [TS]

  those little all of those demos about oh [TS]

  you're going to be able to draw a tiny [TS]

  flower on your watch that you will then [TS]

  send to someone you like I don't think [TS]

  there's a lot of people out there who [TS]

  are still using the drawing features on [TS]

  their watch great tech demo actually not [TS]

  so useful in real [TS]

  life so I think this is what the utility [TS]

  of the Apple pencil is being sacrificed [TS]

  for and I don't think that's a good [TS]

  trade-off [TS]

  here's what I've been thinking about the [TS]

  ipad pro is being sold as a professional [TS]

  tool and when I think about what does [TS]

  that mean professionals need tools that [TS]

  are more precise than just using their [TS]

  meaty monkey hands on a screen [TS]

  I think for any kind of professional [TS]

  work that someone does you need a [TS]

  precision pointing device and so for [TS]

  example I think of I think of the mac [TS]

  and so on the mac in my own work i do [TS]

  animating I work with audio i work with [TS]

  video and do all the kinds of stuff that [TS]

  Apple in their commercials just like [TS]

  loves to see people doing on their [TS]

  machines we look at this creative work [TS]

  like this writer uses it he draws [TS]

  Stephanie makes videos to do all of [TS]

  those things you need if you're going to [TS]

  do it professionally a professional tool [TS]

  if for example Apple decided that only [TS]

  track pads were allowed on the mac if [TS]

  that would be a horrible experience for [TS]

  almost any professional like I dare you [TS]

  to go to Pixar for example and take away [TS]

  all of their weak home tablets and hand [TS]

  them track pads and say open look you [TS]

  can paint with your fingers on this [TS]

  track pad on the screen isn't that great [TS]

  it's a one-to-one experience you're able [TS]

  to touch this thing and make it make a [TS]

  line on the screens like no listen for [TS]

  professional work you need professional [TS]

  tools and those tools need to be precise [TS]

  now a trackpad much like iOS is for a [TS]

  normal user a much more intuitive [TS]

  experience because it is a direct [TS]

  one-to-one relationship like you move [TS]

  your hand on the trackpad and the thing [TS]

  moves on the screen or you do gestures [TS]

  and stuff [TS]

  people love trackpads but professionals [TS]

  need better tools and so when I look at [TS]

  the ipad [TS]

  add the whole of the ipad is already a [TS]

  trackpad like the whole freaking screen [TS]

  is the trackpad and now if you want to [TS]

  have something that you are selling to [TS]

  professionals that you want [TS]

  professionals to use you need additional [TS]

  tools for the future of the platform you [TS]

  need a precision pointing device and [TS]

  apple has made that very precision [TS]

  pointing device it works two day right [TS]

  now i think one of the things to point [TS]

  out at this point which i think is a [TS]

  really important distinction is that [TS]

  when you're saying about professionals [TS]

  doing professional work let's imagine [TS]

  that part of what you're talking about [TS]

  here is animating right you do the [TS]

  animations with the pencil and that [TS]

  works even with the 93 beta restriction [TS]

  the problem is if you want to change [TS]

  tools if you want to scroll through a [TS]

  list of tools you have to mold shift you [TS]

  have to put the ANCYL way you have to [TS]

  use your finger that friction is enough [TS]

  to make you not want to use it [TS]

  that is exactly the thing i am thinking [TS]

  about something like a podcasting tool [TS]

  in the future on on ipad pro this is [TS]

  something that like I know there are so [TS]

  now but i'm trying to think about the [TS]

  future of these tools and so if you were [TS]

  say editing a podcast on an ipad pro i [TS]

  can easily see a situation that kind of [TS]

  like Maps the very wacom tablet that we [TS]

  were talking about a couple shows ago [TS]

  now onto the screen where you could say [TS]

  like do gestures with one hand and you [TS]

  can be doing precision pointing and and [TS]

  cutting with the pencil in the other [TS]

  hand without a doubt with professional [TS]

  level tools you constantly need to shift [TS]

  stuff right it's not going to be a basic [TS]

  painting app you're using a vector [TS]

  drawing tool it's not going to be [TS]

  something like garageband if you want to [TS]

  have a professional audio tool on an [TS]

  ipad pro and you're not going to be able [TS]

  to have something like iMovie be usable [TS]

  for for professionals on an ipad pro you [TS]

  need much more in-depth tools and you [TS]

  know what much more in-depth tools [TS]

  require lots of menus lots of submenus [TS]

  lots of list that you scroll through [TS]

  switching things all over the time and [TS]

  if apple says you can't use the pencil [TS]

  like this professional tool to navigate [TS]

  the interface fully I think it limits [TS]

  the way these things can be made like it [TS]

  just it makes them so much more [TS]

  frustrating it's frustrating on both [TS]

  ends like it's frustrating if someone is [TS]

  say trying to design a professional [TS]

  drawing app for the iPad pro and then [TS]

  thinking oh right but I I shouldn't make [TS]

  any of these lists long because if [TS]

  someone has the pencil in their hands [TS]

  are not going to be able to scroll with [TS]

  it and it's also frustrating like you [TS]

  said because it makes someone who is a [TS]

  professional I kind of not want to just [TS]

  use the pencil all the time as this tool [TS]

  if you constantly have to mode shift [TS]

  back and forth who does Apple think this [TS]

  is for like if the pencil is just for [TS]

  drawing and just for basic markup like [TS]

  okay [TS]

  the ipad pro is already a niche apple [TS]

  product the pencil within that is a [TS]

  niche within an itch but I think like [TS]

  the ipad pro with the pencil as it is [TS]

  today [TS]

  apple's market there is every artist or [TS]

  everyone who works on a computer that [TS]

  uses a wacom tablet right like that is [TS]

  no small market but if they then say [TS]

  like okay the pencil can only be used in [TS]

  markup it can't be used in the interface [TS]

  it's like okay well anybody who uses pen [TS]

  tablet professionally that's not an [TS]

  attractive option like that's a [TS]

  pointlessly frustrating option i don't [TS]

  know i just i see so much potential in [TS]

  the ipad pro for the future with the [TS]

  addition of this precision pointing tool [TS]

  and it seems insane to me to limit that [TS]

  future like to limit what people can do [TS]

  because you have an idea of how you want [TS]

  people to use it [TS]

  and there was that there's a link about [TS]

  Johnny I've a while ago talking about [TS]

  the pencil and and how he thinks about [TS]

  it and it's pretty clear from this [TS]

  interview that like Johnny I've in his [TS]

  mind has [TS]

  mind has [TS]

  the thing that we mentioned last time [TS]

  that he imagines people are just going [TS]

  to use the pencil to draw pretty [TS]

  pictures and he doesn't want it to be [TS]

  confused for a useful tool for [TS]

  professionals on a device called the [TS]

  ipad pro let me read a quote to you this [TS]

  is sent into us by a listener with the [TS]

  name Matt I think there's a potential to [TS]

  confuse the role of the pencil with the [TS]

  role of your finger and iOS and I [TS]

  actually think it's very clear the [TS]

  pencils for making marks and the finger [TS]

  is a fundamental point of interface for [TS]

  everything within the operating system [TS]

  and those are two very different [TS]

  activities of two very different goals [TS]

  that is directly from Johnny I've I [TS]

  understand what he's saying but he's [TS]

  wrong but I get what he's trying to set [TS]

  out to do I can completely understand [TS]

  that argument that there is some level [TS]

  of simplicity to the idea that your [TS]

  fingers navigate the interface and the [TS]

  pencil is for making marks i can [TS]

  understand where he's coming from [TS]

  I just think that's so limiting you know [TS]

  the problem with it [TS]

  what didn't ship that way apple gave us [TS]

  a taste of what we now feel is too is [TS]

  the perfect solution which is the pencil [TS]

  operates everything if they shipped the [TS]

  way it's currently in the 9.2 beta it [TS]

  shipped the way that Jony ive clearly [TS]

  set out to make it happen we wouldn't be [TS]

  upset right now I would still be pretty [TS]

  upset if the pencil couldnt navigate the [TS]

  interface you would do you think oh I [TS]

  would like it if it could do that but [TS]

  you wouldn't know what you're missing [TS]

  I wouldn't feel how I feel now which is [TS]

  that almost like i have been personally [TS]

  burned by Apple Apple handed me the most [TS]

  amazing perfect tool for the future of [TS]

  my work and the future of many other [TS]

  people's work and they took it away it's [TS]

  it's this line here where he says the [TS]

  finger is the fundamental point of [TS]

  interface for everything in the [TS]

  operating system that to me is the [TS]

  worrying part a vision of iOS for the [TS]

  rest of time that requires you to always [TS]

  be pressing just your fingers [TS]

  and only your fingers against the screen [TS]

  fingers are a great way into a platform [TS]

  like clearly the success of the iphone [TS]

  was in no small part due to the fact [TS]

  that people could just touch the buttons [TS]

  on the screen with their hands right [TS]

  like no doubt about that but to then to [TS]

  the hens say like for iOS four now these [TS]

  huge iOS screens that they're building [TS]

  like that this device the interface can [TS]

  only and forever be navigated with human [TS]

  meaty fingers and cannot be interacted [TS]

  with using other tools i just think that [TS]

  is it deep deep mistake to make it is [TS]

  the same to me is just saying on a Mac [TS]

  if only touchpads could be used to [TS]

  interact with the interface you can't [TS]

  use keyboard shortcuts right you [TS]

  couldn't use anything else like that's [TS]

  the same level of decision here and [TS]

  that's also the thing that I find [TS]

  frustrating especially with the pro [TS]

  because it's like okay when you think [TS]

  that the finger is the fundamental point [TS]

  of interface for the system uh why then [TS]

  can i press command space on the ipad [TS]

  pro and bring up spotlight and start [TS]

  typing in spotlight that's not using my [TS]

  finger for the interface [TS]

  why do you have command tab on on the [TS]

  ipad pro allowing me to access the task [TS]

  switcher without touching the screen she [TS]

  could it be that these are features that [TS]

  the vast majority of users never touch [TS]

  never even know exist but that for [TS]

  professional users are vital every [TS]

  single day maybe that's the same thing [TS]

  with keyboard shortcuts like I i would [TS]

  bet for anything Apple nose on the Mac [TS]

  where they have data about this that [TS]

  like point 0 1 percent of users ever use [TS]

  any keyboard shortcuts like when I see [TS]

  normal people using computers they never [TS]

  use keyboard shortcuts but you know what [TS]

  you still build them in because they're [TS]

  vital for professional users so the [TS]

  whole idea of like okay [TS]

  Apple has this ipad pro they put in [TS]

  keyboard shortcuts they put in all of [TS]

  this keyboard stuff to work with the [TS]

  interface without having to touch the [TS]

  screen like that goes against Jony Ive's [TS]

  design principle as stated in this quote [TS]

  here like come on you know this can't [TS]

  really be [TS]

  the only way to interact with the [TS]

  interface give people more tools to work [TS]

  with your systems that's that's all I [TS]

  want [TS]

  just put it back alright and everyone [TS]

  will be happy [TS]

  it's not hurting anyone exactly i have [TS]

  been hearing from people who are in my [TS]

  position as well like this is actually a [TS]

  health issue like i do really think [TS]

  Apple like you are hurting people by not [TS]

  keeping the way it is in the pre-beta [TS]

  state like I've been hearing from people [TS]

  with RSI issues have been saying the [TS]

  same thing about like oh my god the [TS]

  pencil makes a huge difference in [TS]

  working on iOS like this is a big deal [TS]

  for me I've heard from people who just [TS]

  have mobility difficulties with their [TS]

  hands like the pencil and being able to [TS]

  navigate the interface this is way [TS]

  better and way more comfortable for me [TS]

  than having to use my hands [TS]

  you're all really smart people if part [TS]

  of what you want to do is just make iOS [TS]

  more couple you can find a way to do it [TS]

  yeah put a button share sheet like yeah [TS]

  you can do this if you want to make [TS]

  everywhere markable there are already [TS]

  ways to do that right now like you said [TS]

  taking screenshots and working on them [TS]

  and other editors it's not super elegant [TS]

  but it's possible but like you can find [TS]

  a better way like you have the ability [TS]

  you build the operating system you can [TS]

  find a better way than that to make this [TS]

  work yet two seconds worth of thought [TS]

  you can have a button that you press in [TS]

  control center which then toggle the [TS]

  screen to be marketable compile job done [TS]

  and there's so much space in control [TS]

  sent only probably right we're not we're [TS]

  not sure on real estate there is plenty [TS]

  of space you can add it right next to [TS]

  your creepy always watching me I icon [TS]

  that you now have in there right like [TS]

  that was watching you [TS]

  so that's why it's additionally [TS]

  frustrating like there are other ways to [TS]

  mark up the screen if that's what you [TS]

  want to do and people really want to do [TS]

  that you can make things for that but [TS]

  you're taking away the only way to do [TS]

  something else which is to precisely [TS]

  work with the interface if there's one [TS]

  thing I've learned over the years of [TS]

  following apple [TS]

  is that they they are willing to and [TS]

  they have done changed back the changes [TS]

  they make yeah i think the classic [TS]

  example of this is the ios7 changeover [TS]

  when they had the ridiculously Finn and [TS]

  light text the first time around [TS]

  yeah and when they were running that [TS]

  beta program i think they quite wisely [TS]

  realized okay we've gone too far in this [TS]

  direction of we have an ideal that we [TS]

  want [TS]

  did they go from helvetica night to just [TS]

  helvetica right like they went from the [TS]

  super thin helvetica to a little bit [TS]

  vika but it was it was enough of a [TS]

  difference that it made the difference [TS]

  right where it's like it was still thin [TS]

  but it wasn't crazy in yeah so so that [TS]

  this is also this is still just my hope [TS]

  that within Apple while this is still in [TS]

  beta this is a thing that they will [TS]

  reverse on and I've been just trying to [TS]

  make the case as best I can we are using [TS]

  our political platform jacking factor [TS]

  right on the side of keeping the pencil [TS]

  the way it is [TS]

  leaves it a professional tool any device [TS]

  that is marketed for professionals it is [TS]

  beneficial for the mitigation and [TS]

  avoidance of repetitive strain injury it [TS]

  is beneficial for people who have [TS]

  difficulty with their hands [TS]

  it is a thing that you should leave in [TS]

  it is just frankly pleasant to use the [TS]

  operating system with the pencil if you [TS]

  are used to using a wacom tablet which [TS]

  is almost certainly the very market that [TS]

  you want to sway with with this exact [TS]

  product or you could be able to draw on [TS]

  the screen at any time which is a thing [TS]

  that you can have other solutions for [TS]

  everybody that needs to do that to do [TS]

  markup in iOS already knows how to do it [TS]

  does it the people that need that and [TS]

  went by the Apple pencil to do that [TS]

  already do it exactly i don't know who [TS]

  this market is because that is exactly [TS]

  the kind of thing that is for a casual [TS]

  user not the kind of person who's [TS]

  probably buying an ipad pro and a pencil [TS]

  but I will stress that we don't know [TS]

  that that's what they want to do we [TS]

  don't know what it could be right there [TS]

  could be something that you know which [TS]

  is happens of Apple things that mean you [TS]

  are perceiving as the things that they [TS]

  want to do it right we need to [TS]

  appreciate that is a fact that there [TS]

  could be things that they want to do [TS]

  which are really cool but we don't see [TS]

  what they are [TS]

  yeah this is this is our best guess yeah [TS]

  but I i still say that like [TS]

  fundamentally doesn't matter that [TS]

  yeah it's hard to imagine what a [TS]

  different thing is but as I have [TS]

  expressed to you in very certain terms [TS]

  in private but like a lot of against in [TS]

  it nicer terms now I don't care at all [TS]

  what it is [TS]

  whatever feature they're developing [TS]

  there's no argument I think against the [TS]

  accessibility argument if you have you [TS]

  want to limit accessibility I really [TS]

  don't care what the additional feature [TS]

  is as I said I just I'm still worried [TS]

  that I'm going to find myself in this [TS]

  horrible position of having to choose [TS]

  between am I going to jailbreak a device [TS]

  and compromise digital security or mi [TS]

  going to be damaging my hands over the [TS]

  long run doing the very thing that would [TS]

  want me to do which is going super all [TS]

  in on their new device so that's a [TS]

  that's where we are [TS]

  Apple please do your dear old pal gray [TS]

  of favor here [TS]

  do the right thing [TS]

  great Harley 2016 this message has been [TS]

  paid for by the Apple pencil community [TS]

  vote stylist I want to take a moment to [TS]

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  you mentioning this a long time ago Mike [TS]

  I don't know if you will yeah is this [TS]

  the one where the animation is like [TS]

  really rough [TS]

  yeah offers generous i didn't wanna I [TS]

  don't wanna you know dumplings professor [TS]

  we had a conversation I was just looking [TS]

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  this last year its fifty percent of the [TS]

  way ago that can be a classic episode we [TS]

  were selling t-shirts then that's how [TS]

  she how long ago it was where we yeah so [TS]

  in that episode we discussed a little [TS]

  bit of thing that just always kind of [TS]

  infuriates me which is this this meme on [TS]

  youtube that I have been hearing for [TS]

  forever and people always say about how [TS]

  it's impossible to start a youtube [TS]

  career nowadays because there's too much [TS]

  competition and it's all big channels [TS]

  and we talked about it there i lay out [TS]

  my thoughts about why this is nonsense [TS]

  I I violently disagree with this [TS]

  position and I happen to mention a [TS]

  channel that I was just barely aware of [TS]

  them which was great a under a which was [TS]

  brought to my attention by one of the [TS]

  listeners to the show and I used him as [TS]

  an example of a channel that one didn't [TS]

  have high production values but that too [TS]

  didn't matter because he was producing [TS]

  stuff that was just great [TS]

  like these videos are funny and they are [TS]

  insightful and at that point in time he [TS]

  had just under a hundred thousand [TS]

  subscribers i think it was about how I [TS]

  said he had like ninety thousand [TS]

  subscribers I just taking a look at the [TS]

  page right and what does he have now [TS]

  mike has a million subscribers he has a [TS]

  million subscribers all of these videos [TS]

  are like over a million views right [TS]

  again doing that thing died just don't [TS]

  understand these numbers aren't like any [TS]

  other numbers right look up youtube [TS]

  system is [TS]

  is is strange but I wanted to visiting [TS]

  this follow-up in no small part because [TS]

  i wanted to just point out that like I [TS]

  was right because in that episode I said [TS]

  like he to me struck me as a person who [TS]

  was on the cusp of doing this [TS]

  professionally he was like just about to [TS]

  become big and be able to do this one [TS]

  hundred percent of the time and now as [TS]

  we are recording this episode in [TS]

  February he is doing that like he does [TS]

  this for a living now he makes these [TS]

  videos and he is very successful and so [TS]

  I think grade-a under a is now my most [TS]

  recent go to example to try to argue [TS]

  against this insane idea that somehow [TS]

  even though youtube is more popular than [TS]

  it has ever been that it is impossible [TS]

  for new channels to get noticed like you [TS]

  just no one can break into this [TS]

  environment like it's not true [TS]

  like look at this guy he made a thing [TS]

  that people liked and in the space of [TS]

  several months he 10x his audience [TS]

  I think he's just a great example of [TS]

  this and as far as i can tell again I [TS]

  don't know this person I've just seen [TS]

  this from the outside but I think he's [TS]

  just one person making these videos like [TS]

  that's the impression that I get like [TS]

  it's just him that's what he says and on [TS]

  his video so i have no reason to to [TS]

  doubt himself like it's totally possible [TS]

  it's just a question of making something [TS]

  that people like it's not a question of [TS]

  can you compete with the production [TS]

  values of huge media companies so again [TS]

  i will in fatica Lee encourage anyone [TS]

  who is listening to this show who is [TS]

  thinking i would like to start a YouTube [TS]

  channel but everything is done already [TS]

  and I can't make high-quality videos and [TS]

  there's all these big media companies [TS]

  out there to compete with it's not [TS]

  relevant start something two day tried [TS]

  to make videos that people will like and [TS]

  if you are successful in that you will [TS]

  find success on YouTube is all [TS]

  just impossible not to greatly under a [TS]

  so interesting [TS]

  yeah what's so interesting in that [TS]

  discussion that we originally had on [TS]

  that that episode I believe it is in the [TS]

  episode we spoke about the idea that [TS]

  really kind of what you need is to think [TS]

  and that thing is the thing that people [TS]

  have a don't have and it's really [TS]

  difficult to know what it is it's really [TS]

  difficult sometimes to know if you or [TS]

  somebody else has it but we used mkbhd [TS]

  as the example of that and how he even [TS]

  in his very first video talking about a [TS]

  TV or something [TS]

  yeah there is 12 you can tell he has a [TS]

  thing and like you watch it and you can [TS]

  see you know what this is just a younger [TS]

  version of the guy who has three million [TS]

  YouTube subscribers right you watch it [TS]

  and you're like Thea this is this is [TS]

  mark ass like this is him right is not [TS]

  fully grown yet but it's there that you [TS]

  can you can see that and you know he's [TS]

  developed a style overtime and he's [TS]

  gotten much better over time [TS]

  he's also got much older over time but [TS]

  it's yeah it's definitely the Kings that [TS]

  like he has a way of explaining things [TS]

  that's very clear to people and people [TS]

  like that and they respond to that [TS]

  I'll give another example actually of [TS]

  this kind of thing that I think is [TS]

  interesting for people to watch and it [TS]

  is it is the youtube channel your movie [TS]

  sucks which is made by a guy named Adam [TS]

  and he to me is it is a very interesting [TS]

  example of someone starting a thing and [TS]

  having something right from the [TS]

  beginning but then also clearly [TS]

  developing his own style so Mike are you [TS]

  familiar with the red letter media star [TS]

  wars reviews please say yes [TS]

  yeah okay good yeah I haven't washed [TS]

  them but I know about them [TS]

  ok you know you know about their [TS]

  existence listeners and I talk about [TS]

  them all the time because i think they [TS]

  are brilliant but they are these review [TS]

  of the Star Wars movies that are done in [TS]

  this very particular style that is [TS]

  striking it's a it's unique [TS]

  it is impossible not to notice the guy [TS]

  Adam who started the your movie sucks [TS]

  youtube channel i think it is a [TS]

  worthwhile endeavor for anybody who's [TS]

  thinking about doing youtube career to [TS]

  go back and watch like his first 20 [TS]

  videos in order because they are the [TS]

  clearest example i have ever seen of [TS]

  someone very clearly and explicitly in [TS]

  his own videos saying he is copying the [TS]

  style of redlettermedia like his first [TS]

  few reviews are the exact same style he [TS]

  is saying that but even when you watch [TS]

  them you can see like oh but there's [TS]

  this guy has something here which is his [TS]

  and if you watch those first 20 videos [TS]

  in order you can see someone go from [TS]

  imitating a style which is a great way [TS]

  to start learning how to do with thing [TS]

  and then develop into his own style and [TS]

  become a successful person like that [TS]

  like that to me is the key it's totally [TS]

  fine to start with somebody else's style [TS]

  but like you need to develop your own [TS]

  thing and his is the best example I have [TS]

  ever seen of that were it's just so [TS]

  clear to watch each video he is a little [TS]

  less red letter media and he's a little [TS]

  more himself until now his modern video [TS]

  is worth like it is just entirely his [TS]

  style [TS]

  there's there's nothing any more of the [TS]

  red letter media influence that was [TS]

  there in the beginning and it's just [TS]

  very interesting to see and it happens [TS]

  over a short enough period of time that [TS]

  you can watch it in an afternoon unfold [TS]

  in a kind of similar way [TS]

  not exactly what similar like you can [TS]

  look at something like this podcast and [TS]

  if you listen to episode 1 [TS]

  it's different in field and style to [TS]

  what we're doing now I think yeah yeah [TS]

  because it out we found our groove [TS]

  together for the show and we you know [TS]

  felt what the show was about and it kind [TS]

  of has morphed over time you know [TS]

  anybody that that has paid real close [TS]

  attention will see that like we change [TS]

  the description of the show right right [TS]

  kind of fit a little bit more as to what [TS]

  it was that me and you decided we wanted [TS]

  to talk about [TS]

  every week like that like this is a very [TS]

  normal thing I thinking creative [TS]

  endeavors like this and it happens most [TS]

  of the shows that I have done change in [TS]

  some way over time they morph into [TS]

  something a little bit different as the [TS]

  people working together find their [TS]

  groove a little bit more and I think [TS]

  that's exactly the same thing that you [TS]

  see with some of these channels and what [TS]

  you're pointing out here with your movie [TS]

  sucks is it just come a little while to [TS]

  find out what he liked to respond to the [TS]

  feedback that he received and the [TS]

  criticisms that he received and kind of [TS]

  morphed it a little bit from there that [TS]

  is the creative process [TS]

  yeah without a doubt again any of this [TS]

  show is definitely an example of that [TS]

  like if you listen to the earlier shows [TS]

  and you listen to the show's now they're [TS]

  different [TS]

  it's almost hard for me to say precisely [TS]

  what's different like they were sort of [TS]

  more interviews in the beginning but [TS]

  yeah really [TS]

  exactly but something changes over time [TS]

  and it becomes its own thing and yes [TS]

  everyone should keep that in mind that [TS]

  is totally a natural part of the [TS]

  creative process it's a vital part and [TS]

  the only way that you can really find [TS]

  the thing that you want to do and do it [TS]

  the way that you want to do it is to do [TS]

  something [TS]

  yeah exactly is is to start just get [TS]

  started get started with that [TS]

  ASMR video also discussed in the [TS]

  previous episode that you want to make [TS]

  right and and and then develop your own [TS]

  style in the ASMR world whatever it is [TS]

  you want to do like even if you think [TS]

  that the field is crowded if you can [TS]

  develop your own style there is always [TS]

  room for more good content that's why [TS]

  there's always room on YouTube for more [TS]

  good channels even if you're just [TS]

  rubbing a hair brush against your face [TS]

  you just have to do it well let's go [TS]

  beyond I said approach but I don't know [TS]

  what they like what you've got to figure [TS]

  out what they like someone's gonna like [TS]

  it right you know that that's what [TS]

  happens when your billions of people [TS]

  watching YouTube how niche is it it's [TS]

  never a niche enough in the theme of [TS]

  addressing things that happened months [TS]

  and months and months ago [TS]

  oh yeah if you finally played that steam [TS]

  controller that you got [TS]

  oh yeah this is this has been sitting in [TS]

  the document for forever in our months [TS]

  and i basically listeners to peel back [TS]

  the cut a little bit i put in the [TS]

  document i say follow up steam [TS]

  controller have you tried it yet and for [TS]

  many many months there was a little box [TS]

  well there was a little word next to it [TS]

  the great but and then it just said no [TS]

  and every time I bring it into the [TS]

  document and it never changed and then [TS]

  this week it changed to yes but you [TS]

  notice that it changed to yes this week [TS]

  but I had changed it to yes after i put [TS]

  up the Antarctic video that one chance [TS]

  to play around with the sealant roller [TS]

  Maya it's been sitting here for months I [TS]

  felt kind of bad like i bought this [TS]

  piece of hardware and I never tried it [TS]

  out but yes in the video game section of [TS]

  the podcast i have tried out the steam [TS]

  controller and also this connects to me [TS]

  because it's the RSI concern of the [TS]

  podcast which is I like to switch input [TS]

  devices and i mentioned i had gotten [TS]

  this thing because I was concerned about [TS]

  using my keyboard and the pen or using a [TS]

  mouse for games as well as for just [TS]

  regular working stops I want something [TS]

  different i was pretty doubtful about [TS]

  the steam controller but i thought what [TS]

  the hell let me give it a shot and I [TS]

  decided when I was going to try it that [TS]

  I was going to try it under the worst [TS]

  possible case which is playing a game [TS]

  called factorial which I love which have [TS]

  mentioned many times but is a game that [TS]

  it just involves an infinite number of [TS]

  mouse clicks and sub windows and [TS]

  right-click sit you know it's one of [TS]

  these kind of games like you're just [TS]

  managing something so it's all about [TS]

  ticking boxes and window management and [TS]

  all kinds of stuff so it's a really [TS]

  difficult game to do with any kind of [TS]

  controller it's it's obviously designed [TS]

  for a mouse and also it's not inside of [TS]

  steam at all like it'sit's not within [TS]

  their little network at least at the [TS]

  time that i played it so this will be a [TS]

  great way to try to test this controller [TS]

  because this is the worst possible [TS]

  scenario and the bottom line is the [TS]

  steam controller i am a huge fan of this [TS]

  thing I i was so impressed with the way [TS]

  it works [TS]

  under the least optimal case that it is [TS]

  it's just amazing i really like it's a [TS]

  weird weird controller because it has [TS]

  touchpads right instead of any Alex tix [TS]

  okay yes I'm i have it have it in front [TS]

  of me right now so it has in the center [TS]

  one analog stick for your left thumb and [TS]

  then the standard like X Y a B buttons [TS]

  for your right thumb but immediately [TS]

  above it there are two touch pads and [TS]

  it's those touchpads that seem crazy but [TS]

  totally work for all the kinds of games [TS]

  that are going to be in the Steam [TS]

  library and also are the kind of things [TS]

  that I like to play so again work [TS]

  simulator kind of games that have lots [TS]

  of Windows and lots of sub menus and [TS]

  boxes to tick and all this kind of stuff [TS]

  it allows you to with your right thumb [TS]

  essentially operate a trackpad and move [TS]

  the cursor around on screen in a really [TS]

  natural way like you can adjust what the [TS]

  sensitivity is so that you can with just [TS]

  very slight thumb movements move the [TS]

  pointer back and forth across the [TS]

  entirety of the screen you can do all [TS]

  kinds of crazy things like there's [TS]

  triggers on the bottom that you can have [TS]

  to be modifier keys so it's really easy [TS]

  to do something like left click or right [TS]

  click the whole thing is super [TS]

  customizable everything you can change [TS]

  to work anyway that you want which is [TS]

  absolutely absolutely vital like even [TS]

  even those touchpads you can have them [TS]

  work like they're a touchpad but you can [TS]

  also change it to just pretend that it's [TS]

  a basic d-pad so there's only four [TS]

  inputs depending on where your thumb is [TS]

  where you can change it to work like a [TS]

  joystick it's amazing to me how well it [TS]

  works and to be able to do something [TS]

  like move the game point around with one [TS]

  thumb while zooming in and out on the [TS]

  map with the other thumb with the to [TS]

  touch pads just feels like magic I can't [TS]

  believe how well it works so I was [TS]

  extremely doubtful but for anyone who [TS]

  plays games on a computer i can i can [TS]

  highly recommend it like this gets the [TS]

  CGP grey seal of approval and it is [TS]

  really beneficial to me to be able to [TS]

  switch to this for game playing instead [TS]

  of using the same tools all the time so [TS]

  it's like yes RSI [TS]

  helps mitigate it I i really liked it [TS]

  even though I was extremely doubtful [TS]

  about it huh [TS]

  you sound doubtful still no now i'm [TS]

  interested but you're a console peasants [TS]

  right now yeah yeah sure i don't think i [TS]

  play enough p certain games because [TS]

  everything tends to be underpowered and [TS]

  pointless on a pc i haven't done nothing [TS]

  but she's yeah he's making really [TS]

  pointless claims they're pointless is [TS]

  why do you find it really interesting [TS]

  that for you to have a superior pc [TS]

  gaming experience you've had to turn to [TS]

  a controller this is really interesting [TS]

  to me i would i would honestly prefer to [TS]

  use a mouse and keyboard all the time [TS]

  for all of my gaming and I would do it [TS]

  were it not for my hand issues like I [TS]

  think it is for the kind of game that I [TS]

  like it's impossible straight up to beat [TS]

  a mouse and a keyboard [TS]

  you're just not going to do it but this [TS]

  is a very comfortable very close [TS]

  experience that doesn't straighten my [TS]

  hands in the in the usual way [TS]

  yeah he's a weird-looking thing that [TS]

  it's super weird looking i was able even [TS]

  I'm just holding it in my hands right [TS]

  now and i was really doubtful about the [TS]

  way like the handles really curve up [TS]

  into the palm of your hands in a way [TS]

  that looks dumb [TS]

  it almost looks like the whole [TS]

  controller is too low but again using it [TS]

  for long periods of time you can see why [TS]

  they have it set up that way cuz it's [TS]

  very comfortable than to have your [TS]

  thumbs on on the trackpad and then their [TS]

  triggers are they on the back of the [TS]

  hand palm rests [TS]

  yeah there are big triggers yeah there [TS]

  are two triggers that are on each side [TS]

  directly underneath your index finger [TS]

  and there's two like gripple triggers [TS]

  that are on the bottom that you can [TS]

  trigger with your middle and ring [TS]

  fingers [TS]

  there's tons of buttons and again you [TS]

  can set them to be anything that you [TS]

  want which is really great you plant any [TS]

  of the games of this [TS]

  oh yeah actually I was trying out a [TS]

  whole bunch of stuff in my library just [TS]

  to see how it works so i was trying city [TS]

  skylines I tried and tried half-life 2 [TS]

  as in my Steam library that was probably [TS]

  the trickiest one to use with the [TS]

  controller which is interesting because [TS]

  of course normally think about lots of [TS]

  first-person shooters out in [TS]

  controller-based area that should be the [TS]

  one that makes the most sense [TS]

  yeah that one was the one that i found [TS]

  the trickiest but that might have also [TS]

  just been that i'm so used to playing [TS]

  those games with with mouse and and keys [TS]

  like it's wired into my bride hundreds [TS]

  and hundreds of hours of quake three on [TS]

  computer land college but it's like my [TS]

  brain does not like doing it that way I [TS]

  guess I i tried all the different kind [TS]

  of stuff in my library and it worked [TS]

  very well with all of the games even if [TS]

  they weren't designed to work with a [TS]

  controller at all so super impressed I [TS]

  was thinking a couple of days ago trying [TS]

  to connect to PlayStation 4 controller [TS]

  to my pc to try American Truck Simulator [TS]

  Oh Mike like don't mention it because [TS]

  i'm so tempted right now I cannot [TS]

  believe this is the life that I'm living [TS]

  but I've been seeing people on Twitter [TS]

  tell me o American Truck Simulator is [TS]

  that is out and it's like okay I have [TS]

  several big video projects that are [TS]

  coming to a close quite shortly after [TS]

  like I cannot wait to have these done [TS]

  mainly because i cannot wait to play [TS]

  American Truck Simulator i'm dying to [TS]

  give this a try [TS]

  yeah it looks really good looks [TS]

  beautiful it doesn't that the problem is [TS]

  it doesn't look as good on a Mac [TS]

  apparently this is like graphic card [TS]

  issues that like it looks much better [TS]

  huh on a windows pc that ever looks on a [TS]

  Mac but like it's the same thing with [TS]

  your truck simulator like euro truck [TS]

  simulator on a Mac doesn't look super [TS]

  great as compared to windows because it [TS]

  doesn't look so good [TS]

  yeah but none the less like I am I [TS]

  cannot believe I am now the guy who's [TS]

  like I can't wait to track my truck [TS]

  simulator and it really is through was [TS]

  like man as soon as i get those videos [TS]

  out i am going to drive up and down [TS]

  California and listen to some podcasts [TS]

  and it will be gloriously relaxing i'm [TS]

  very tempted to give American Truck [TS]

  Simulator God euro truck simulator it [TS]

  doesn't really work that don't like [TS]

  playing on the keyboard [TS]

  I just don't like it it doesn't work for [TS]

  me that was terrible on the keyboard is [TS]

  terrible on the keyboard [TS]

  you didn't get a wheel deal don't you [TS]

  remember Mike I only didn't get a wheel [TS]

  because [TS]

  I couldn't sort out any of the mac [TS]

  configurability issue yeah I wasn't sure [TS]

  though if you may be ended up getting [TS]

  one in the end like I don't know we [TS]

  didn't ever come to a resolution from [TS]

  now i don't have a wheel my [TS]

  recommendation for American Truck [TS]

  Simulator it was a trackball I'm sorry [TS]

  well for euro truck simulator I like a [TS]

  trackball a lot for that I found it very [TS]

  comfortable and i did i did play around [TS]

  with the steam controller and that's [TS]

  pretty good i haven't quite figured out [TS]

  in the euro truck when I was just [TS]

  playing around steam controller of [TS]

  precisely how i wanted to work as a lot [TS]

  of different options [TS]

  yeah the keyboard keyboard is the worst [TS]

  don't use a keyboard with its miserable [TS]

  to play with the keyboard [TS]

  I'm so I'm gonna think i'm gonna see if [TS]

  i can get get the playstation controller [TS]

  walking the way that I want because I'm [TS]

  looking at it right now and it looks so [TS]

  much nicer i like the idea of driving [TS]

  across America more the Golden Gate [TS]

  Bridge Las Vegas seems more exciting to [TS]

  me i really wish they did proper [TS]

  two-player again others like a mod for [TS]

  your truck for multiplayer yeah I'd love [TS]

  to go driving with you somewhere would [TS]

  be nice but we wouldn't really be [TS]

  driving we can honk our horns and stuff [TS]

  you know which is higher this is just [TS]

  like this is just like you wanted to [TS]

  rent an office with me at the whole the [TS]

  whole thing that I like about drunk [TS]

  driving my imaginary truck across the [TS]

  highway is driving it alone but will be [TS]

  we could race you know driving it alone [TS]

  man on the highway by himself [TS]

  it's then [TS]