Cortex 29: Dvorak


00:00:00   there is a nonzero chance that someone's [TS]

00:00:03   gonna write our names on the on the u.s. [TS]

00:00:05   ballot [TS]

00:00:06   oh yeah it's that you don't understand [TS]

00:00:08   like that is going to happen [TS]

00:00:10   I i guarantee you that yeah that and so [TS]

00:00:12   someone somewhere is going to have to [TS]

00:00:14   read out how many boats we got right [TS]

00:00:17   like someone is going to read out [TS]

00:00:20   somewhere and then me and you have been [TS]

00:00:24   that we've got voted to it's gonna be [TS]

00:00:26   great [TS]

00:00:27   it seems inevitable that someone's gonna [TS]

00:00:28   write clearly 2016 on their on their [TS]

00:00:30   write-in vote I would be shocked if it [TS]

00:00:32   doesn't happen very excited about that [TS]

00:00:34   full yeah but then this can also act as [TS]

00:00:36   a check on voter fraud because you [TS]

00:00:38   always get these stories come out where [TS]

00:00:39   someone does a write-in vote that's a [TS]

00:00:42   name so that they can intentionally [TS]

00:00:44   check later when the votes are counted [TS]

00:00:45   to see if that one write-in vote was [TS]

00:00:47   counted very often it's not which I [TS]

00:00:49   doesn't make you feel super secure and [TS]

00:00:51   democracy [TS]

00:00:52   mm so we're going to have to check [TS]

00:00:53   everywhere we go i will you find where [TS]

00:00:56   we where we've been voted yet you can or [TS]

00:01:00   we're greatly 2016 can be a check on the [TS]

00:01:05   integrity of your local polling station [TS]

00:01:08   yes the canary that's like a warrant [TS]

00:01:09   canary right great 2016 on your ballot [TS]

00:01:12   and then you see if you got any votes [TS]

00:01:13   remember people on top of the ticket [TS]

00:01:16   yeah yeah that I think this is perfect [TS]

00:01:19   and so people can do i'm looking forward [TS]

00:01:21   to the election season [TS]

00:01:22   yeah we're gonna win oh I don't know [TS]

00:01:26   it's like trying to remember our own [TS]

00:01:27   platform is it is it was an ipad and [TS]

00:01:31   every house and automation in every app [TS]

00:01:33   yeah perfect make ipad great again make [TS]

00:01:36   I've had great again [TS]

00:01:37   so you went ahead and did it you've put [TS]

00:01:41   your application out that we were [TS]

00:01:42   talking about last time for the [TS]

00:01:44   freelance animation work [TS]

00:01:47   yes oh dear how's it going so far [TS]

00:01:51   I don't know I i said in the i said in [TS]

00:01:53   the application i wasn't going to look [TS]

00:01:55   at entries until tomorrow and I haven't [TS]

00:01:57   so i have no idea how it's going [TS]

00:02:00   do you know if anyone coming in I do [TS]

00:02:03   know that a bunch of come in okay [TS]

00:02:05   because i have arranged a system with my [TS]

00:02:08   assistants my i guess like now slight [TS]

00:02:12   member [TS]

00:02:13   HR department assistant surprise [TS]

00:02:15   promotion that she has been receiving [TS]

00:02:18   all of the various applications [TS]

00:02:20   she has been putting the information [TS]

00:02:22   into a spreadsheet with some secret [TS]

00:02:27   checks behind the scenes that I also [TS]

00:02:29   want some information that but in the [TS]

00:02:31   spreadsheet and then she is also taking [TS]

00:02:33   the videos and she is giving them all [TS]

00:02:36   number and putting them all into a [TS]

00:02:39   dropbox folder for me to view so I'm not [TS]

00:02:43   exactly sure how many videos are in that [TS]

00:02:45   dropbox folder right now I know there's [TS]

00:02:48   there's a bunch and I'm gonna take a [TS]

00:02:49   look through them and this is the way [TS]

00:02:51   that I want to do what I just want to [TS]

00:02:53   have a number i don't want to know [TS]

00:02:54   anything about the person i just want to [TS]

00:02:56   see the video [TS]

00:02:56   yeah and so this way i can say oh yes ID [TS]

00:03:02   number 1245 this person was good for the [TS]

00:03:06   collection papers exactly right and I [TS]

00:03:09   could say oh you know the these three [TS]

00:03:11   these three are good and then let's move [TS]

00:03:13   on from here and see okay like you know [TS]

00:03:16   did this person send a portfolio did [TS]

00:03:18   they do a bunch of other stuff that's [TS]

00:03:19   that's the way I'm doing it so I i will [TS]

00:03:21   not be looking at the applications first [TS]

00:03:24   because the most relevant thing to me is [TS]

00:03:26   how well can it be animated and i'm just [TS]

00:03:29   going to look at those i'm going to look [TS]

00:03:30   at them clean with just a file number [TS]

00:03:33   and that's how it's going to start so I [TS]

00:03:35   know people have sent in applications [TS]

00:03:37   but i haven't actually looked at any yet [TS]

00:03:39   so I don't know if they're any good [TS]

00:03:41   you're not going to know this but i'm [TS]

00:03:43   just going to mention it for the [TS]

00:03:44   listeners who will know this i just [TS]

00:03:46   realized that the video that you created [TS]

00:03:48   with your voiceover that people will [TS]

00:03:50   take the gradient the colors that you [TS]

00:03:53   have to look just like the new instagram [TS]

00:03:55   logo [TS]

00:03:56   oh ok i know that was going to be your [TS]

00:03:59   on so but now people can go and look at [TS]

00:04:01   that and be like oh wow they felt it [TS]

00:04:03   took the idea from you so if you hate [TS]

00:04:05   the Instagram logo you can you can blame [TS]

00:04:08   great for that one [TS]

00:04:10   I don't have an Instagram of all the [TS]

00:04:12   people in my life to assumed would not [TS]

00:04:14   have Instagram would be you [TS]

00:04:16   okay what are you going to post the [TS]

00:04:17   pictures of your food the protein bars [TS]

00:04:20   and bolts things like that [TS]

00:04:23   that's perfect for flights of not some [TS]

00:04:26   bolts that you just chowed down on your [TS]

00:04:28   robot power [TS]

00:04:29   yeah i like the system of just randomly [TS]

00:04:32   looking at videos rather than looking at [TS]

00:04:34   the applications themselves because the [TS]

00:04:36   thing that you want to be judging people [TS]

00:04:38   and is the work not anything about them [TS]

00:04:40   as a human [TS]

00:04:41   yeah that the work is the thing that is [TS]

00:04:43   the most relevance and I also figured [TS]

00:04:45   that this is the way i mean i don't know [TS]

00:04:48   how many of these are going to be [TS]

00:04:49   looking at hopefully lots but I figure [TS]

00:04:52   this is the fastest way to be able to go [TS]

00:04:55   through something because I just you [TS]

00:04:59   know I have obviously been thinking a [TS]

00:05:01   lot about hiring and having some [TS]

00:05:02   interesting conversations with people [TS]

00:05:03   and this is one of these cases where in [TS]

00:05:07   my attempt to to work with someone in [TS]

00:05:09   this particular situation there their [TS]

00:05:12   resume is not really relevant page that [TS]

00:05:17   the only thing that is relevant is how [TS]

00:05:18   well they can do this and so if someone [TS]

00:05:20   sends me you know a resume and says I i [TS]

00:05:24   went to this design school and I went to [TS]

00:05:25   this design school and I'm certified in [TS]

00:05:27   Adobe Illustrator and i'm certified like [TS]

00:05:29   okay man like that's great but i don't i [TS]

00:05:32   don't really care like I only care if if [TS]

00:05:35   this thing can be done you know it's and [TS]

00:05:38   if this is if this is your first attempt [TS]

00:05:42   at ever doing any kind of animation and [TS]

00:05:45   you do it well the flipside like I don't [TS]

00:05:47   care either [TS]

00:05:48   you know if you're brand-new but you [TS]

00:05:50   just learned adobe illustrator and you [TS]

00:05:52   gave it a go and you did a good job like [TS]

00:05:53   fantastic welcome aboard like this is [TS]

00:05:55   yeah this is the thing this is the thing [TS]

00:05:57   that is relevant to me so that's why i [TS]

00:06:00   don't i figure i watch the videos first [TS]

00:06:02   and then I'll i look at what has come [TS]

00:06:04   through on email [TS]

00:06:06   secondarily because something else I [TS]

00:06:09   hadn't thought by so you replied to a [TS]

00:06:12   reddit comment about this there was not [TS]

00:06:13   necessarily one person is gonna you know [TS]

00:06:16   you have like multiple golden tickets to [TS]

00:06:18   come and look inside to see gray factory [TS]

00:06:20   golden tickets are fitted then I just [TS]

00:06:27   considered how much this is like Willy [TS]

00:06:30   Wonka I I don't see the connection and [TS]

00:06:33   over these seen you in many years [TS]

00:06:35   there is you know [TS]

00:06:37   is a factory in which amazing things put [TS]

00:06:40   together for the enjoyment of millions [TS]

00:06:42   just like Willy Wonka and now you've [TS]

00:06:44   opened up to the world for somebody to [TS]

00:06:48   come in [TS]

00:06:49   you know and they're gonna go people for [TS]

00:06:50   a set of trials to see if they will be [TS]

00:06:53   the the true and pure person who can [TS]

00:06:55   help you out the end well as long as I'm [TS]

00:06:58   gene wilder Willy Wonka and I'm not [TS]

00:07:00   Johnny Depp Willy Wonka that is the only [TS]

00:07:02   one the gene wilder movies a faucet [TS]

00:07:05   period movie [TS]

00:07:05   yeah okay so they just want to make it [TS]

00:07:07   clear yeah Chris in this in this analogy [TS]

00:07:09   in this analogy i'm jean water i do not [TS]

00:07:15   want to be Johnny Depp in this analogy [TS]

00:07:16   am I like an oompa loompa then i guess i [TS]

00:07:18   am right if you want to do that to [TS]

00:07:20   yourself [TS]

00:07:21   go right ahead but this is the only [TS]

00:07:23   thing I can be in this scenario right [TS]

00:07:26   because i work with you already and [TS]

00:07:28   they're the only people that work of him [TS]

00:07:29   already right [TS]

00:07:30   yeah I just a shame like I can see the [TS]

00:07:33   photo shops already like it's gonna be [TS]

00:07:35   great i can't wait for it but yes so [TS]

00:07:38   moving right along from the inevitable [TS]

00:07:41   bearded photoshop's of Mike as in beluga [TS]

00:07:45   too pretty to the ass even hit in this [TS]

00:07:48   scenario yeah it's having having put out [TS]

00:07:50   this job application it's interesting to [TS]

00:07:52   see like a eight challenge of clarity [TS]

00:07:57   sometimes where there are things which [TS]

00:07:58   are sort of clear in my mind the new you [TS]

00:08:01   look at what you've done you like [TS]

00:08:02   obviously there's no reason this would [TS]

00:08:03   be clear to anybody and yes one of those [TS]

00:08:06   things is when i said i was looking for [TS]

00:08:09   freelance help i I've always been [TS]

00:08:11   thinking that in in my absolute perfect [TS]

00:08:16   perfect world I would love to find at [TS]

00:08:19   least two people that I could work with [TS]

00:08:22   right and it's precisely because since I [TS]

00:08:25   know this is going to be at least from [TS]

00:08:26   the start freelance work i would want to [TS]

00:08:30   because the primary person that I might [TS]

00:08:32   want to work with might not always be [TS]

00:08:33   available and so I have had this [TS]

00:08:36   experience with music where there are [TS]

00:08:38   several people who i can have on tap to [TS]

00:08:41   help with music but that's partly [TS]

00:08:43   because each of them isn't always [TS]

00:08:45   available precisely when I need them to [TS]

00:08:48   be available so yeah it's it's not [TS]

00:08:50   that there's just going to be over there [TS]

00:08:52   is a single person i am going to be [TS]

00:08:54   making a list of however many people i [TS]

00:08:57   think that it is possible to work with [TS]

00:08:59   and at least at the start to move move [TS]

00:09:02   forward in that way now again I'm still [TS]

00:09:05   I'm still a little worried because i am [TS]

00:09:07   looking for a kind of perfect person [TS]

00:09:09   that I i will not find what I'm looking [TS]

00:09:11   for on this round one you know and that [TS]

00:09:13   I will have to do around two or or a [TS]

00:09:16   second approach for this so again this [TS]

00:09:19   is my theoretically perfect scenario is [TS]

00:09:21   that i would find two or more people [TS]

00:09:23   that I could work with but I'm I don't [TS]

00:09:27   like a betting odds on it i'm going to [TS]

00:09:29   say there's the twenty-five percent [TS]

00:09:32   chance that I get what I wanted in the [TS]

00:09:34   first round I don't know we'll have to [TS]

00:09:36   see i actually think that finding [TS]

00:09:37   someone in the first round or two people [TS]

00:09:41   in the first round the perfect is [TS]

00:09:42   actually not the best thing that could [TS]

00:09:44   happen i think the genuine i think the [TS]

00:09:47   better thing is to find people that are [TS]

00:09:48   kind of there and that you can help [TS]

00:09:50   develop the office again let me let me [TS]

00:09:52   try to clarify what i mean by perfect [TS]

00:09:54   here because what I'm looking for is [TS]

00:09:58   someone who has talent right someone who [TS]

00:10:03   someone who's able to do this thing well [TS]

00:10:05   and again thinking back to my experience [TS]

00:10:10   of being a teacher it was interesting [TS]

00:10:13   always to see that there were kids who I [TS]

00:10:16   could immediately say like oh this kid [TS]

00:10:18   is talented [TS]

00:10:21   it doesn't mean that they're doing [TS]

00:10:23   everything exactly right the first time [TS]

00:10:25   around but it does mean that compared to [TS]

00:10:29   the majority of their untalented peers [TS]

00:10:32   like this would be the kid you would [TS]

00:10:35   want to work on project x and so that [TS]

00:10:38   that is my feeling in this this round of [TS]

00:10:42   applications what is when I say perfect [TS]

00:10:44   i really mean that there there's someone [TS]

00:10:46   who they've done a competent enough job [TS]

00:10:49   the first time around and but what I'm [TS]

00:10:51   really looking for is this is difficult [TS]

00:10:53   to define talent of of some sort and I [TS]

00:10:59   think like one of the things i will be [TS]

00:11:00   looking for when I'm watching the videos [TS]

00:11:02   for example is [TS]

00:11:04   because i haven't we can talk about this [TS]

00:11:06   now because of course this episode of [TS]

00:11:08   cortex is going to go up after in theory [TS]

00:11:10   i actually look at things so I can kind [TS]

00:11:12   of reveal the secrets here [TS]

00:11:14   one of the things I'm going to be [TS]

00:11:15   looking for is did the person do [TS]

00:11:19   something interesting or unexpected with [TS]

00:11:22   the way they chose to animate a [TS]

00:11:24   particular section I think that kind of [TS]

00:11:27   thing is is a marker of talent because i [TS]

00:11:32   have in my mind okay if I had to animate [TS]

00:11:35   this script I know roughly what I would [TS]

00:11:37   put on the screen in each of these [TS]

00:11:38   sections but what I would actually want [TS]

00:11:41   to see is someone who did a little [TS]

00:11:43   section differently than i would have [TS]

00:11:46   done it and that either provokes like a [TS]

00:11:48   like a smile or a laugh from me in this [TS]

00:11:51   unexpected manner and it's very [TS]

00:11:54   difficult to define and that's not [TS]

00:11:56   something i'm going to write out in the [TS]

00:11:58   job application because i think that [TS]

00:12:01   people who are talented would just [TS]

00:12:04   naturally do that but they wouldn't be [TS]

00:12:06   able to do not do that so that's one of [TS]

00:12:09   the things when i'm looking through this [TS]

00:12:10   that i'm going to be kind of keeping an [TS]

00:12:12   eye out for is was I surprised did you [TS]

00:12:15   do this in an interesting and and [TS]

00:12:17   unexpected way but that's not the same [TS]

00:12:20   thing as literally expecting that [TS]

00:12:22   somebody is going to create a video that [TS]

00:12:24   looks exactly like I made it [TS]

00:12:27   that's what you should should sort of be [TS]

00:12:28   aiming for but that's not necessarily [TS]

00:12:30   the thing that I'm explicitly and only [TS]

00:12:32   looking for when I'm actually reviewing [TS]

00:12:35   the videos i think of it like a tribute [TS]

00:12:39   band [TS]

00:12:40   ok like they do in the style of cgpgrey [TS]

00:12:43   right but it as it some Flair in some [TS]

00:12:46   way i think that that's the key [TS]

00:12:48   yeah maybe I know nothing of your music [TS]

00:12:50   analogies so i'm going to assume that [TS]

00:12:53   that spot on the right but this is this [TS]

00:12:59   is again this is one of these things [TS]

00:13:00   where you realize like oh I when I was [TS]

00:13:02   writing this out i was thinking oh [TS]

00:13:03   there's two things that I'm looking for [TS]

00:13:05   i'm looking for an animator and an [TS]

00:13:06   illustrator but there's really three [TS]

00:13:09   things that I'm looking for i'm looking [TS]

00:13:10   for an animator an illustrator and [TS]

00:13:12   someone who who has this undefinable [TS]

00:13:15   little spark of talent [TS]

00:13:17   and that's one of those you know when [TS]

00:13:20   you see it kind of things and so we will [TS]

00:13:23   know I guess the next time we record [TS]

00:13:25   cortex because by then [TS]

00:13:27   yep i'm looking at it on friday which as [TS]

00:13:29   we are recording right now is tomorrow [TS]

00:13:31   and I will be continuing to look at it [TS]

00:13:33   as stuff comes in because that was not a [TS]

00:13:35   finalized deadline but by the time we [TS]

00:13:38   record the next cortex I think there [TS]

00:13:40   will be some information about whether [TS]

00:13:41   whether or not I'm going forward or [TS]

00:13:43   whether I'm thinking about how to [TS]

00:13:45   approach a round two of hiring well I [TS]

00:13:49   will look forward to it [TS]

00:13:51   I i wish i was future me right now and [TS]

00:13:55   already knew what happened did you [TS]

00:13:58   intend friday the 13th such a happy [TS]

00:14:02   accident I was just a pleasant accident [TS]

00:14:04   don't know why because it routes out [TS]

00:14:07   pointlessly suspicious people friday the [TS]

00:14:14   13th is unlucky i don't know if i wanna [TS]

00:14:15   i already was over the conversation [TS]

00:14:17   though done in fact I'm sorry next this [TS]

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00:16:40   for as long as I've known you there has [TS]

00:16:42   been something that I've been interested [TS]

00:16:44   in asking you what is dvorak and why do [TS]

00:16:48   you use it you know what dvorak is Mike [TS]

00:16:52   I know what it is it's it's a weird way [TS]

00:16:56   to arrange a keyboard but I want you to [TS]

00:17:00   explain to for the people that don't [TS]

00:17:01   know what it is and then say like what [TS]

00:17:03   is it it's not a weird way to arrange a [TS]

00:17:07   keyboard abnormal abnormal would be [TS]

00:17:10   correct because of course the normal way [TS]

00:17:12   to arrange keyboard is the so-called [TS]

00:17:13   qwerty layout where quality is the word [TS]

00:17:16   on the top left of your keyboard if you [TS]

00:17:18   can look at a keyboard right now [TS]

00:17:19   listener that's what you'll see [TS]

00:17:21   Dvorak is named after a person I think I [TS]

00:17:24   don't even know what dvorak is an [TS]

00:17:28   alternate keyboard layout that i have [TS]

00:17:31   used for a long time and the the primary [TS]

00:17:35   selling feature of dvorak is that in a [TS]

00:17:42   qwerty keyboard [TS]

00:17:44   the letters are arranged in such a way I [TS]

00:17:47   think so one of the things that's [TS]

00:17:48   happening very often is like you're [TS]

00:17:50   alternating hands now there's a whole is [TS]

00:17:53   a whole lot of I think urban legends [TS]

00:17:55   around the qwerty keyboard layout that [TS]

00:17:57   every time I have attempted to [TS]

00:17:58   investigate mostly seemed like just BS [TS]

00:18:01   or just so stories that get repeated [TS]

00:18:04   over and over again like I think the [TS]

00:18:06   actual origin of this stuff is a bit [TS]

00:18:08   lost in in time [TS]

00:18:09   yeah that did the generally accepted [TS]

00:18:11   reason for the quality of being as it is [TS]

00:18:15   is it was created so it would stop [TS]

00:18:19   typewriters from jamming up because in [TS]

00:18:21   theory the letters would be far away [TS]

00:18:23   from each other so they would like the [TS]

00:18:24   little arms whatever the cold wouldn't [TS]

00:18:26   be hitting each other that's like the [TS]

00:18:28   generally accepted reason that's usually [TS]

00:18:30   the thing that you you hear from people [TS]

00:18:32   i remember looking into it a while ago [TS]

00:18:34   and when I was thinking about doing a [TS]

00:18:35   video on this and just not coming to a [TS]

00:18:38   satisfactory resolution and get that [TS]

00:18:40   that to me I don't know it it may be [TS]

00:18:43   true it may not be true but there are [TS]

00:18:45   some things that my brain always [TS]

00:18:46   followed files away as suspiciously just [TS]

00:18:49   so stories because if that is like true [TS]

00:18:52   that they if like if they're close [TS]

00:18:53   together they Jem up if your name is [TS]

00:18:55   Terry you'd hate to use a typewriter [TS]

00:18:58   I actually have typed on a mechanical [TS]

00:19:00   typewriter like that and it is a real [TS]

00:19:02   pain in the butt when when it jams very [TS]

00:19:05   briefly spent some time in a teaching [TS]

00:19:07   course where they actually use [TS]

00:19:08   mechanical typewriters is like you've [TS]

00:19:09   gotta be kidding me [TS]

00:19:10   the oldc to be great I'm it mainly just [TS]

00:19:12   ye olde the school equipment is what [TS]

00:19:14   actually was [TS]

00:19:15   oh I use the typewriter is a kid just [TS]

00:19:19   for fun like there was one in my house [TS]

00:19:24   it was an electric typewriter that thing [TS]

00:19:26   granddad had and I used to write a [TS]

00:19:28   little stories on it but it was before [TS]

00:19:29   we had a computer like losses in i guess [TS]

00:19:32   the very early nineties and we didn't [TS]

00:19:34   have a computer at home so I used to you [TS]

00:19:36   know as a kid instead of writing out my [TS]

00:19:38   stories in like Microsoft Word or [TS]

00:19:39   whatever which my younger brother did I [TS]

00:19:42   wrote them on an electric typewriter who [TS]

00:19:45   was fun but typewriter suck because if [TS]

00:19:49   you make a mistake what you do a lot [TS]

00:19:50   when you're like four years old you've [TS]

00:19:53   ruined everything [TS]

00:19:54   yeah you're you ruin everything xxxxx [TS]

00:19:57   it's everywhere Yeah Yeah right or you [TS]

00:19:59   be backspace over it with point out [TS]

00:20:02   which never looks right like that paper [TS]

00:20:03   that it slams down is typewriters [TS]

00:20:06   terrible technology so yeah I I don't [TS]

00:20:08   know if that's true or not [TS]

00:20:09   and frankly like of no interest to me [TS]

00:20:12   whether it's turning out like I don't [TS]

00:20:12   really care [TS]

00:20:13   this is also one of those things where [TS]

00:20:14   it may just be a network effect where [TS]

00:20:16   there was a keyboard layout it happened [TS]

00:20:19   to gain a little bit of popularity and [TS]

00:20:21   that popularity feeds on itself and it [TS]

00:20:23   becomes a standardized thing and there's [TS]

00:20:25   not actually any explanation for this [TS]

00:20:28   right just like okay one of them was [TS]

00:20:30   going to succeed and this happens to be [TS]

00:20:32   the one that succeeded end of story [TS]

00:20:34   there [TS]

00:20:35   there isn't anything to say about it but [TS]

00:20:38   the Dvorak keyboard is intentionally [TS]

00:20:42   designed to minimize finger travel and [TS]

00:20:48   perhaps one of the the best examples of [TS]

00:20:49   this is if you think on a normal qwerty [TS]

00:20:52   keyboard and you look where you put your [TS]

00:20:53   hands on the home row assuming that you [TS]

00:20:55   can touch-type probably not the most [TS]

00:20:58   egregious thing on the qwerty keyboard [TS]

00:21:00   is that underneath your right hand [TS]

00:21:03   pinkie you have the colon and semicolon [TS]

00:21:06   key which are probably not super [TS]

00:21:09   frequently used whereas on the Dvorak [TS]

00:21:12   keyboard that is the letter S underneath [TS]

00:21:15   your right hand pinkie and underneath [TS]

00:21:18   your left hand on the Dvorak keyboard [TS]

00:21:20   are a whole bunch of vowels it's a 000 e [TS]

00:21:23   you and I are right there on the home [TS]

00:21:26   row for your left hand whereas on the [TS]

00:21:29   court keyboard you have just a and then [TS]

00:21:32   vowels are kind of spread all over the [TS]

00:21:34   place so the fundamental idea is that [TS]

00:21:37   when you are typing words with the [TS]

00:21:40   Dvorak keyboard the amount that your [TS]

00:21:43   hands need to move is less than with [TS]

00:21:47   recording keyboard now get many people [TS]

00:21:49   who promote dvorak they use all kinds of [TS]

00:21:52   reasons they talk about how you can type [TS]

00:21:54   faster on a Dvorak keyboard and I always [TS]

00:21:57   feel like again this is not really [TS]

00:21:58   relevant to me that the speed of my [TS]

00:22:00   typing is not the limiting factor in my [TS]

00:22:03   life that is not the reason I use a [TS]

00:22:05   Dvorak keyboard i switched from 42 [TS]

00:22:09   dvorak [TS]

00:22:10   many many years ago now back when I was [TS]

00:22:14   I believe a young sophomore in college [TS]

00:22:19   here is as best i can remember the gist [TS]

00:22:22   of what happened i was always as you can [TS]

00:22:24   imagine quite a nerdy child I loved [TS]

00:22:27   computers and it would spend all the [TS]

00:22:28   free time that I could in high school on [TS]

00:22:30   the computer that the family had in the [TS]

00:22:32   house when I went off to college I was [TS]

00:22:34   now free of all constraints right there [TS]

00:22:38   were there were no parents telling me to [TS]

00:22:40   get off a computer once you go to [TS]

00:22:42   college [TS]

00:22:42   the amount of time that you actually [TS]

00:22:44   have to spend in classes is much much [TS]

00:22:47   less which is fantastic and I was on the [TS]

00:22:53   computer just all the time and then when [TS]

00:22:56   you add on to this [TS]

00:22:57   I also as people do in college [TS]

00:23:00   experimented with linux on my computer [TS]

00:23:05   and so I was using linux as my main [TS]

00:23:07   system and I really got into the [TS]

00:23:09   terminal and like typing all commands on [TS]

00:23:11   on the computer and doing everything [TS]

00:23:12   with a non graphical interface even at [TS]

00:23:15   one point was running a system that just [TS]

00:23:17   had no guey installed at all like it was [TS]

00:23:19   everything was just command line i [TS]

00:23:21   totally loved it i was using emacs and i [TS]

00:23:23   just i was typing on the computer all of [TS]

00:23:28   the time all of my free time and over [TS]

00:23:32   the course of probably about a year and [TS]

00:23:33   a half that just like recently happened [TS]

00:23:37   with animation that caught up with me [TS]

00:23:39   and I had a sudden very bad onset of [TS]

00:23:42   pain in my hands [TS]

00:23:43   that just put a screeching halt to my [TS]

00:23:48   typing and I went to the school nurse [TS]

00:23:50   and hit like your forearms are horrific [TS]

00:23:52   lean flip inflamed have you been typing [TS]

00:23:54   on a computer a lot and of course my [TS]

00:23:56   answer was well does every single moment [TS]

00:23:59   of my free time count as a lot like yeah [TS]

00:24:01   and so of course I still wanted to type [TS]

00:24:04   on a computer i wasn't going to stop [TS]

00:24:05   typing on a computer and it just so [TS]

00:24:08   happened it just lucked out that when I [TS]

00:24:11   had this bout of real pain in my hands [TS]

00:24:13   it came exactly at a semester break in [TS]

00:24:16   university and i had about two or three [TS]

00:24:21   weeks off from school what I decided to [TS]

00:24:23   do [TS]

00:24:24   was I took a break from typing on the [TS]

00:24:26   computer at all for that those couple of [TS]

00:24:28   weeks and try to relax get my hands back [TS]

00:24:31   in in normal condition I remember [TS]

00:24:34   spending would seem like an incredibly [TS]

00:24:35   long time without a computer just [TS]

00:24:37   reading books and watching TV and [TS]

00:24:39   thinking like how mad i really wish i [TS]

00:24:41   could be on the computer now but i can't [TS]

00:24:42   after that after that break when I [TS]

00:24:44   didn't need to type anything when i came [TS]

00:24:46   back to school I decided I was going to [TS]

00:24:49   switch keyboard layouts i was going to [TS]

00:24:51   learn dvorak because i had read that for [TS]

00:24:55   some people with RSI they find this [TS]

00:24:58   beneficial and i thought well i have to [TS]

00:25:00   try something because I'm certainly not [TS]

00:25:03   going to type less so I need to try to [TS]

00:25:05   fix this system wise and I switch to a [TS]

00:25:10   dvorak layout and if anyone has ever [TS]

00:25:15   tried to do this to try to learn a [TS]

00:25:18   different keyboard layout the thing that [TS]

00:25:20   you will experience is this feeling like [TS]

00:25:22   your brain is broken when you try to [TS]

00:25:24   type because when you are good at typing [TS]

00:25:27   on the computer you feel like you're [TS]

00:25:28   just expressing your thoughts right from [TS]

00:25:30   your mind and you're feeding it into the [TS]

00:25:32   computer and then when you switch [TS]

00:25:33   layouts it's like you've had a stroke [TS]

00:25:36   and you need to relearn how to walk you [TS]

00:25:39   know if it's so frustrating you feel [TS]

00:25:41   like I used to just do this thing [TS]

00:25:44   without thinking and now suddenly I'm [TS]

00:25:46   incapable of doing this and because the [TS]

00:25:48   active typing is the act of thinking [TS]

00:25:50   it's just this feedback loop of like my [TS]

00:25:53   brain is broken it's it's very it's a [TS]

00:25:57   very very frustrating thing to do it's [TS]

00:26:00   very frustrating to switch that alone [TS]

00:26:02   though especially for someone like you [TS]

00:26:05   feels like a reason not to use the Borek [TS]

00:26:08   right like that that switching because [TS]

00:26:10   it's not available everywhere is [TS]

00:26:12   actually not available on the iPad at [TS]

00:26:14   all and software right unless you [TS]

00:26:17   against or something external yeah i [TS]

00:26:19   mean you're talking about like switching [TS]

00:26:21   costs here is that what you mean by this [TS]

00:26:22   question yeah because you're switching [TS]

00:26:24   constantly well okay first of all I mean [TS]

00:26:29   you're talking about a time long before [TS]

00:26:31   iPads or even a glint in Steve Jobs eyes [TS]

00:26:35   at this point i was working with my own [TS]

00:26:37   person [TS]

00:26:38   computers and essentially nothing else [TS]

00:26:42   like I didn't have to use anybody else's [TS]

00:26:44   computer and so switching over on my [TS]

00:26:47   computer that i was using all the time [TS]

00:26:49   was not a big deal i didn't i did not i [TS]

00:26:52   was in an environment where I didn't [TS]

00:26:53   have to move back and forth between [TS]

00:26:55   quality and dvorak I could focus just on [TS]

00:26:59   my one computer and and just relearning [TS]

00:27:01   it there and doing everything they're [TS]

00:27:03   right and and my tip my tip if anybody [TS]

00:27:06   does want to switch the dvorak I don't [TS]

00:27:08   know this is the best way to do it but [TS]

00:27:10   at least is the way i did at the time [TS]

00:27:11   because I was so frustrated with this [TS]

00:27:14   feeling like I can't type and i also [TS]

00:27:17   found trying to do [TS]

00:27:20   typing programs again with super [TS]

00:27:22   frustrating you know you can just run [TS]

00:27:25   any typing program and you change over [TS]

00:27:27   your keyboard and you like relearn how [TS]

00:27:28   to type just like you learn to [TS]

00:27:30   touch-type the first time I I hated that [TS]

00:27:31   as well I felt god this is just so slow [TS]

00:27:33   is taking forever I don't have time for [TS]

00:27:34   this [TS]

00:27:35   the trick that I found that worked [TS]

00:27:37   beautifully was I printed out a dvorak [TS]

00:27:40   layout on a on a piece of paper and I [TS]

00:27:43   taped it to the top of my computer [TS]

00:27:45   monitor and so what i did was i would [TS]

00:27:48   look at that piece of paper when I [TS]

00:27:50   wanted to type and then type on the [TS]

00:27:53   keyboard that was in front of me and [TS]

00:27:55   when I did that it took me only about [TS]

00:27:59   two weeks to get back to basically where [TS]

00:28:01   I was and it also allowed me to type [TS]

00:28:04   very slowly but it allowed me to quote [TS]

00:28:07   touch type on a Dvorak keyboard but just [TS]

00:28:11   a really slow pace i found that that was [TS]

00:28:13   the only way I was able to to switch i'm [TS]

00:28:15   not sure if i had if i try to do it a [TS]

00:28:16   different way I would have been able to [TS]

00:28:18   stick with it [TS]

00:28:19   do you prefer dvorak to quality what do [TS]

00:28:24   you just switch back and forth third are [TS]

00:28:27   the same reasons that you switch back [TS]

00:28:28   and forth between my son trackpads and [TS]

00:28:32   etc okay well I don't really switch back [TS]

00:28:35   and forth between quality and dvorak [TS]

00:28:37   because on all on all of my devices i [TS]

00:28:41   have it set up to be a Dvorak keyboard [TS]

00:28:43   so I like my laptop on my computer it's [TS]

00:28:46   a Dvorak keyboard when I worked in in [TS]

00:28:48   schools i was able to have [TS]

00:28:50   the the computers there they were able [TS]

00:28:52   to just switch over to dvorak keyboards [TS]

00:28:54   which is by the way also an excellent [TS]

00:28:56   great way to to stop having kids messing [TS]

00:28:58   with your computer if you leave it for a [TS]

00:28:59   few seconds of the keyboard is totally [TS]

00:29:01   messed up from their perspective they [TS]

00:29:02   can't type anything it's like it like a [TS]

00:29:04   security feature i assume when you say [TS]

00:29:06   that you're changing in software but the [TS]

00:29:07   hardware keyboards to quality [TS]

00:29:09   yeah like i am talking to you right now [TS]

00:29:12   and i am recording I i'm recording on my [TS]

00:29:15   laptop today and my laptop has a regular [TS]

00:29:18   qwerty keyboard in it [TS]

00:29:19   no just the regular 15 inch powerbook [TS]

00:29:21   and you can't change the keyboard on [TS]

00:29:23   there a book uh whatever your powerbook [TS]

00:29:26   running OSX yeah exactly who cares about [TS]

00:29:30   this doesn't matter anymore iPads at the [TS]

00:29:32   future [TS]

00:29:33   yeah i know that i can get on board that [TS]

00:29:35   train [TS]

00:29:36   not me i don't care whatever you with [TS]

00:29:39   your iBooks or something I don't know [TS]

00:29:41   whatever I see you can't change it in in [TS]

00:29:43   hardware you can just change it in [TS]

00:29:45   software and this this is where you have [TS]

00:29:47   to know how to touch type so you'd if [TS]

00:29:50   you're looking at the keyboard while you [TS]

00:29:51   just you just a lock right you can't you [TS]

00:29:54   can't move around the physical keys on [TS]

00:29:55   on most modern computers so it is just [TS]

00:29:58   changed in software so when I worked in [TS]

00:30:00   school and I would log onto the computer [TS]

00:30:03   their their windows computers were smart [TS]

00:30:07   enough that one of the saved preferences [TS]

00:30:09   for me as a user was to swap around the [TS]

00:30:12   keyboard layout so that it was dvorak [TS]

00:30:13   while i was typing but it didn't mean [TS]

00:30:15   that if anybody else try to type my [TS]

00:30:16   computer they could take nothing which [TS]

00:30:17   is fantastic from my perspective I [TS]

00:30:19   really enjoyed that so what do you do on [TS]

00:30:21   iOS devices do you use qwerty keyboards [TS]

00:30:25   and they're doing so like third-party [TS]

00:30:27   keyboards [TS]

00:30:28   ok so i guess this is this is the [TS]

00:30:31   closest it comes to switching which is [TS]

00:30:32   for the history of iOS you have had to [TS]

00:30:38   use the inbuilt system keyboard and [TS]

00:30:43   whatever was last year two years ago [TS]

00:30:45   they did add custom keyboards but they [TS]

00:30:48   did it in the most half-hearted way ever [TS]

00:30:50   and so they just don't really work you [TS]

00:30:52   can't really rely on them know there are [TS]

00:30:53   some situations where i will happen to [TS]

00:30:56   use them but it is extraordinarily rare [TS]

00:30:59   like oh thanks thanks Apple thanks for [TS]

00:31:02   that check box feature that just totally [TS]

00:31:03   doesn't work at all third-party [TS]

00:31:05   keyboards yeah we have them never want [TS]

00:31:07   to use them but we have them but I [TS]

00:31:09   actually never really found this a [TS]

00:31:11   problem and even when i got an iphone it [TS]

00:31:13   it didn't really cross my mind about [TS]

00:31:16   that it was accordingly out versus a [TS]

00:31:18   dvorak layout because when you're typing [TS]

00:31:21   on your phone you're typing with your [TS]

00:31:24   thumb and especially when I first got my [TS]

00:31:26   iphone 4 which was the first iphone i [TS]

00:31:29   had i was just typing with one thumb [TS]

00:31:31   because the screen is so small and so my [TS]

00:31:33   brain treated this as just a totally [TS]

00:31:38   different method of input like this is [TS]

00:31:40   unrelated to touch typing this is a [TS]

00:31:42   completely separate skill and so [TS]

00:31:45   learning how to type on an iphone was [TS]

00:31:49   for me I think the same experience that [TS]

00:31:51   many people had when they got their [TS]

00:31:52   first iphone of oh ok this is a [TS]

00:31:54   different way of typing I have to just [TS]

00:31:57   learn how to type on this tiny screen [TS]

00:32:01   and then as time has progressed this is [TS]

00:32:05   one of the reasons why i use almost [TS]

00:32:07   exclusively the split keyboard on my [TS]

00:32:10   smaller iPads on the the not 12-inch [TS]

00:32:13   iPads because i am really used to typing [TS]

00:32:17   with my thumb's on an iOS device my [TS]

00:32:21   brain just says this is the way to type [TS]

00:32:24   on iOS there is no other way and there's [TS]

00:32:26   no conflict here in my brain with dvorak [TS]

00:32:29   for this it's just a totally totally [TS]

00:32:32   different system however my big ipad pro [TS]

00:32:35   has brought something interesting to [TS]

00:32:39   light in my brain which is that my [TS]

00:32:42   knowledge of how to touch type with [TS]

00:32:44   qwerty is still there it it's still [TS]

00:32:47   deeply buried in my brain in a way that [TS]

00:32:51   is surprising to me because as we [TS]

00:32:55   complained about when the ipad pro first [TS]

00:32:56   came out there is no split keyboard on [TS]

00:32:58   the ipad pro you can't do the thing [TS]

00:33:00   where it goes into just some typing you [TS]

00:33:02   have to type with a big full keyboard [TS]

00:33:05   across the bottom and you can't change [TS]

00:33:08   around the letters you have to type with [TS]

00:33:11   a qwerty keyboard on there and they are [TS]

00:33:12   very [TS]

00:33:13   situations where for whatever reason I i [TS]

00:33:15   do end up typing on the glass instead of [TS]

00:33:17   flipping around the keyboard cover that [TS]

00:33:19   I do always have attached so sometimes i [TS]

00:33:21   type on the glass and what I have [TS]

00:33:23   discovered is if I don't think about it [TS]

00:33:27   i can totally touch-type quality but for [TS]

00:33:31   about one sentence of length and after [TS]

00:33:34   one sentence this thing happens when my [TS]

00:33:36   brain goes hey you touch typing on a [TS]

00:33:39   qwerty keyboard and grab for you start [TS]

00:33:42   overthinking it [TS]

00:33:44   yeah right like my brain just totally [TS]

00:33:47   crashes and then for a moment i cannot [TS]

00:33:49   type and what I have to do is going back [TS]

00:33:52   to looking at the keyboard and and [TS]

00:33:55   typing like how I used to when I was a [TS]

00:33:56   little kid before I learned how to touch [TS]

00:33:57   type which was like this funny thing [TS]

00:33:59   that i did with three fingers instead of [TS]

00:34:00   like a regular one but this happens [TS]

00:34:02   everytime that if I don't think about it [TS]

00:34:05   i can type for just a little bit but I [TS]

00:34:07   will totally notice it and then it's [TS]

00:34:09   just I can't I can't I just broke me [TS]

00:34:12   doing this thing but as i find it really [TS]

00:34:14   funny it's like this there's some part [TS]

00:34:15   of my brain which never forgot how to do [TS]

00:34:17   this and was just waiting in waiting [TS]

00:34:19   dormant for apparently an ipad pro to [TS]

00:34:22   come around where i had to type with a [TS]

00:34:24   qwerty keyboard doesn't have one of [TS]

00:34:25   those things that people say in which [TS]

00:34:28   like if birds could comprehend the way [TS]

00:34:30   that they fly they wouldn't be able to [TS]

00:34:32   fly [TS]

00:34:32   yeah you like that but with keyboards [TS]

00:34:35   yeah if you can comprehend quote that [TS]

00:34:37   you called type anymore [TS]

00:34:38   yeah yeah it's it's just a funny thing [TS]

00:34:42   and it makes me laugh every time and [TS]

00:34:43   it's one of those moments where you just [TS]

00:34:45   realize how strange brains are but this [TS]

00:34:48   is this is just unexpected behavior one [TS]

00:34:51   it is unexpected that after having not [TS]

00:34:53   typed on a qwerty keyboard in [TS]

00:34:58   like 13 to 15 years I can still do it [TS]

00:35:05   but then if i realize i'm doing it now [TS]

00:35:07   it doesn't work a crap out like how does [TS]

00:35:10   this work brain how does this make any [TS]

00:35:11   sense like how the answer is it doesn't [TS]

00:35:12   make any sense because brains are weird [TS]

00:35:14   that's the that's the answer i think i [TS]

00:35:16   told you this but i never want to touch [TS]

00:35:19   type [TS]

00:35:19   oh yeah yeah so like I can do a bunch of [TS]

00:35:22   typing without looking at the keyboard [TS]

00:35:23   but i will make mistakes and most of the [TS]

00:35:26   time i will just glanced down every now [TS]

00:35:28   and then to make sure I'm where I need [TS]

00:35:29   to be [TS]

00:35:30   look I don't you know I don't have the [TS]

00:35:32   placement idea you know like we supposed [TS]

00:35:35   to put your hands to rest easy [TS]

00:35:36   I don't know any of that I was never [TS]

00:35:38   taught it i think i was coming into like [TS]

00:35:41   the first generation school where they [TS]

00:35:43   didn't teach typing hmm [TS]

00:35:47   nobody like nobody i knows how to do [TS]

00:35:49   this [TS]

00:35:50   ok which is so weird because now it's [TS]

00:35:53   more important [TS]

00:35:54   ok do you mean that you were like the [TS]

00:35:55   last generation to not be taught typing [TS]

00:35:58   is that what you mean yeah I think so [TS]

00:36:00   okay you know i'm not sure I know what [TS]

00:36:03   that sentence the same but it sounds [TS]

00:36:05   legit I am a generation who knew nothing [TS]

00:36:08   but I think something typing yeah I find [TS]

00:36:11   that surprising given the age difference [TS]

00:36:14   between us since you are younger than me [TS]

00:36:16   I would have assumed that someone your [TS]

00:36:17   age would just learn touch typing is as [TS]

00:36:19   part of going through school could [TS]

00:36:21   because when I did it was an elective [TS]

00:36:23   that my parents just signed me up for ya [TS]

00:36:25   they decided that this is a skill you're [TS]

00:36:26   going to learn you just you just signed [TS]

00:36:27   up for the typing class and I definitely [TS]

00:36:30   at the time rejected the idea that i [TS]

00:36:32   need to go to typing class because i was [TS]

00:36:34   very fast typing already with this three [TS]

00:36:36   finger method that I that I use me like [TS]

00:36:38   looking at the keyboard and just typing [TS]

00:36:40   very fast and I don't need to learn how [TS]

00:36:42   to touch type i can totally do this [TS]

00:36:43   thing but I'm very I'm very glad that I [TS]

00:36:45   did learn how to touch type against my [TS]

00:36:47   will as a younger as a younger person [TS]

00:36:49   yes the i start to the fast three finger [TS]

00:36:51   method which i still use do you still do [TS]

00:36:54   that [TS]

00:36:54   yeah like a bunch of a life every code [TS]

00:36:57   is the same like a hunt and pecker [TS]

00:36:59   oh really yep i think which is part of [TS]

00:37:02   like it oh we're generation where it [TS]

00:37:04   stopped and my understanding that did [TS]

00:37:06   that you don't typing doesn't exist in [TS]

00:37:08   schools now i don't know if we have many [TS]

00:37:10   listeners who are [TS]

00:37:11   in high school or secondary level but if [TS]

00:37:17   you are in high school and you listen to [TS]

00:37:19   the show I would be very curious if in [TS]

00:37:21   the red you said if you like it do you [TS]

00:37:23   do [TS]

00:37:24   typing in schools or poor parents who [TS]

00:37:27   have kids in school now like it is [TS]

00:37:29   typing an official skill that that your [TS]

00:37:30   kids learn like touch typing I be [TS]

00:37:32   curious to know and or do you care [TS]

00:37:36   yeah that's what I'm more interested [TS]

00:37:37   about like to do you care if you know [TS]

00:37:40   how to touch type one of the things that [TS]

00:37:43   up i was quite struck by when I when I [TS]

00:37:48   was teaching and towards the later years [TS]

00:37:52   of of my my limited teaching career all [TS]

00:37:55   of the kids had either iphones or ipod [TS]

00:37:59   touches that they were using as proxy [TS]

00:38:01   iphones you know they were just [TS]

00:38:02   connected to the local school network [TS]

00:38:03   and it was a way for parents to get in [TS]

00:38:05   touch and all the rest of this and I [TS]

00:38:07   noticed that tons of the kids could do [TS]

00:38:11   this thing that I would not have [TS]

00:38:12   believed was possible if I didn't see it [TS]

00:38:15   which was typing on the screen without [TS]

00:38:18   looking i can do that see this is this [TS]

00:38:20   is younger person magic to me while but [TS]

00:38:23   the thing is though it's not accurate [TS]

00:38:24   you are helped by auto correct right [TS]

00:38:27   because but it doesn't matter right here [TS]

00:38:29   this is like of autocorrect is helping [TS]

00:38:31   or not it's it doesn't make any [TS]

00:38:32   difference to me is like a sure what [TS]

00:38:34   anybody says slightly I know exactly [TS]

00:38:36   what you're saying but like it is [TS]

00:38:37   different to touch typing in that there [TS]

00:38:39   is an assistant which is helping you [TS]

00:38:41   with it but yeah it's still there still [TS]

00:38:42   an element of knowing the area in which [TS]

00:38:45   you have to hit your thumbs [TS]

00:38:46   mm I tell you what I'm going to do I'm [TS]

00:38:49   going to set up a Google Form oh yeah to [TS]

00:38:51   try and find out this information [TS]

00:38:52   because this is interesting to me now [TS]

00:38:54   like do you know how to touch type do [TS]

00:38:57   you care [TS]

00:38:58   hmm you know what kind of what age [TS]

00:38:59   bracket are you and can you type on [TS]

00:39:01   screens about looking do you have any [TS]

00:39:03   plans to learn so i'm going to set that [TS]

00:39:05   up i put that in the show notes and when [TS]

00:39:07   we can we can assess the results of that [TS]

00:39:08   next time [TS]

00:39:09   yeah i'll be i'll be very curious to see [TS]

00:39:11   it but where was coming with us though [TS]

00:39:14   is that so I saw the kids doing this and [TS]

00:39:17   i still remember i was asking was this [TS]

00:39:20   one girl like you are you typing without [TS]

00:39:21   looking at the screen and she said yeah [TS]

00:39:23   I can totally like no approved [TS]

00:39:25   to me like come up here right now like I [TS]

00:39:26   need to like and I was supposed to be [TS]

00:39:28   doing physics but this is way more [TS]

00:39:29   interesting to me and so she [TS]

00:39:31   demonstrated like yes she could totally [TS]

00:39:32   do it she could look at me and type a [TS]

00:39:34   coherent sentence like that's magic I [TS]

00:39:36   understand how you can do that only [TS]

00:39:38   cgpgrey the teacher would discover a [TS]

00:39:41   child in class texting then bring her to [TS]

00:39:44   the front to find out something he's [TS]

00:39:46   interested [TS]

00:39:48   whatever torque can wait i was the loved [TS]

00:39:51   you man was the load you but I went home [TS]

00:39:56   to tell my wife this astounding piece of [TS]

00:39:58   information to to me and discovered that [TS]

00:40:02   she was surprised that i was surprised [TS]

00:40:04   that people could do this because this [TS]

00:40:05   is just what she did and she never even [TS]

00:40:07   thought about it right just never even [TS]

00:40:08   crossed your mind that this was a skill [TS]

00:40:10   of any note whatsoever and as iOS has [TS]

00:40:16   become increasingly important in my life [TS]

00:40:19   I went through a long time of trying to [TS]

00:40:23   learn how to type this way of very [TS]

00:40:26   consciously like no I i will master this [TS]

00:40:30   skill that children can do i will type [TS]

00:40:32   and i will not look at the keyboard and [TS]

00:40:35   i will look at what i am typing but I i [TS]

00:40:38   just failed repeatedly i even went so [TS]

00:40:41   far as I bought the program called like [TS]

00:40:44   called tap typing I think that's a [TS]

00:40:46   pretty good typing tutor on iOS and I [TS]

00:40:50   blocked out a part of my schedule every [TS]

00:40:53   day to do touch typing lessons with the [TS]

00:40:56   thumb keyboard on the iphone and with a [TS]

00:40:59   split keyboard on the ipad and I just [TS]

00:41:04   could never ever get that skill it was [TS]

00:41:08   just totally lost to me it was it was [TS]

00:41:11   totally unavailable [TS]

00:41:12   it's like trying to learn a language [TS]

00:41:14   what as an older person for some reason [TS]

00:41:16   my brain just was not able to pick that [TS]

00:41:20   up so i just sent to you i just sent you [TS]

00:41:22   and I message that I title about looking [TS]

00:41:24   always that what you did [TS]

00:41:26   uh-huh well aren't you aren't you clever [TS]

00:41:30   very clever [TS]

00:41:31   this is this is not nearly as much proof [TS]

00:41:34   as [TS]

00:41:35   the girl who did it in front of me in [TS]

00:41:37   class like you just you just sent me a [TS]

00:41:38   message this is proof of nothing [TS]

00:41:40   all you need to do is give me the [TS]

00:41:41   address of your office and I'll country [TS]

00:41:44   know what can happen [TS]

00:41:47   let's try let's try Mike we decide how [TS]

00:41:50   is the office going he still have it [TS]

00:41:52   this is an interesting point to ask me [TS]

00:41:55   about this office because so this is my [TS]

00:41:58   my writing monastery I've set up for [TS]

00:42:01   myself that we talked about a few [TS]

00:42:02   episodes ago through entirely my own [TS]

00:42:07   fault and and dumb mistakes there was a [TS]

00:42:10   period of a week where I was locked out [TS]

00:42:12   of my own office because I thought that [TS]

00:42:15   a bill had been automatically paid when [TS]

00:42:18   it had not been paid and it took awhile [TS]

00:42:20   to get this sorted out but I was locked [TS]

00:42:23   out of my office for a week and I [TS]

00:42:27   thought well okay i just have to work [TS]

00:42:30   around this i'm going to try to do what [TS]

00:42:32   I normally do and go to different places [TS]

00:42:35   to work and just like I'll just I'll [TS]

00:42:37   just get on with this and I know is that [TS]

00:42:40   man my writing ability just plummeted [TS]

00:42:44   that that this compared to having this [TS]

00:42:48   regular routine the regular routine [TS]

00:42:51   increase the amount that i write every [TS]

00:42:53   day and then not having access to this [TS]

00:42:55   area and trying to go back to do with [TS]

00:42:57   the old way [TS]

00:42:58   granted it's like disruptive but it was [TS]

00:43:01   still really interesting to see like [TS]

00:43:02   okay this unintentional experiment has [TS]

00:43:05   has revealed to me that unambiguously [TS]

00:43:07   this writing office is totally worth it [TS]

00:43:12   like without a doubt 100-percent worth [TS]

00:43:15   it [TS]

00:43:15   so yeah it's um I am able to declare it [TS]

00:43:19   a success at this point [TS]

00:43:21   good now but it's a success because it's [TS]

00:43:24   just me [TS]

00:43:25   yeah just me nobody else no chairs for [TS]

00:43:29   Mike you haven't tried out the other way [TS]

00:43:31   of doing it like me and you it could be [TS]

00:43:34   so much better [TS]

00:43:35   I I mean that is true i have not tried [TS]

00:43:40   out having a mic in my office but I i [TS]

00:43:44   think the data suggest [TS]

00:43:46   that that is probably not a a fruitful [TS]

00:43:49   area of exploration well you should [TS]

00:43:52   check my data cuz i have the opposite [TS]

00:43:54   result em done i'm sure you do Mike I'm [TS]

00:43:58   sure you do on this show we're always [TS]

00:44:01   talking about side projects and ideas [TS]

00:44:03   and things that we want to try and these [TS]

00:44:05   days all of these things need your [TS]

00:44:07   website and when you have a website you [TS]

00:44:09   need a great two main name and finding [TS]

00:44:11   that perfect domain is ridiculously easy [TS]

00:44:13   with hover when all you're looking to do [TS]

00:44:16   is get a great domain name for that [TS]

00:44:18   website or email address you shouldn't [TS]

00:44:19   be forced page after page of things that [TS]

00:44:21   you want to opt out of because the [TS]

00:44:23   companies trying to upsell you stuff [TS]

00:44:24   that's why however only offers domain [TS]

00:44:27   and email services so you are able to [TS]

00:44:29   focus on finding that great domain name [TS]

00:44:31   to get back to working on your great [TS]

00:44:33   idea however also believes that you [TS]

00:44:36   should have to pay for things that [TS]

00:44:37   should already be included with your [TS]

00:44:39   domain that's why they give you who is [TS]

00:44:41   privacy for free with all of their [TS]

00:44:43   supported domains to keep your [TS]

00:44:44   information confidential [TS]

00:44:46   most people have realized that when you [TS]

00:44:48   register a domain name all of your [TS]

00:44:50   contact information including your [TS]

00:44:51   address your phone number email address [TS]

00:44:53   is published online for people to find [TS]

00:44:56   and it's all in the whois database [TS]

00:44:58   however make sure that they keep your [TS]

00:45:00   private information private by offering [TS]

00:45:02   you who is privacy for free [TS]

00:45:04   find the perfect domain name for your [TS]

00:45:05   idea go to Harvard calm and use the [TS]

00:45:08   promo code dvorak de VOR AKA check out [TS]

00:45:12   to save ten percent of your first [TS]

00:45:14   purchase thank you so much harder for [TS]

00:45:15   their support of this show and relay FM [TS]

00:45:18   so you know the wheel that never stops [TS]

00:45:21   turning that we can never get off of [TS]

00:45:23   Mike what is the name of that wheel is [TS]

00:45:25   the wheel of email is the wheel of email [TS]

00:45:28   and email apps [TS]

00:45:31   yeah that is where is the wheel has [TS]

00:45:32   stopped today only section [TS]

00:45:38   so i have been using a new email app for [TS]

00:45:43   a while and i want to talk about it for [TS]

00:45:48   two reasons one is that it's an email [TS]

00:45:53   app that I have hardly ever seen [TS]

00:45:58   recommended by anybody and 2i am totally [TS]

00:46:04   loving it so I want to give it a little [TS]

00:46:07   bit of cortex love right i would like to [TS]

00:46:10   promote it and tell people about it so [TS]

00:46:13   that if it sounds like it's for them [TS]

00:46:14   they can go try it out because aside [TS]

00:46:19   from the Apple Mail app I have never [TS]

00:46:21   used an email app that i am just so [TS]

00:46:24   immediately happy with and and really [TS]

00:46:27   like and that email app is called uni [TS]

00:46:31   box [TS]

00:46:32   ok have you heard of uni box Mike I [TS]

00:46:35   think someone has sent it to me like is [TS]

00:46:39   the suggestion and I looked at the [TS]

00:46:41   screenshots and decided don't want [TS]

00:46:42   anything to do it so I don't think I'm [TS]

00:46:46   interested to see what you say because [TS]

00:46:48   the reason I don't like it is it kind of [TS]

00:46:50   tries to me to look like it's making [TS]

00:46:54   email look like I message and I don't [TS]

00:46:56   want that [TS]

00:46:57   ok making email look like I message is [TS]

00:47:02   not necessarily a bad description but [TS]

00:47:05   here here is the way i would sell uni [TS]

00:47:09   box and I think there is some portion of [TS]

00:47:11   our audience when they hear how this [TS]

00:47:13   works [TS]

00:47:13   they will think yes i did not know that [TS]

00:47:16   I wanted this or I didn't know that I [TS]

00:47:19   want this by just didn't know it was [TS]

00:47:20   possible and here's the solution so you [TS]

00:47:23   need boxes selling feature is that it [TS]

00:47:27   groups all of the messages from a single [TS]

00:47:31   person together [TS]

00:47:34   oh listen to that listen to that intake [TS]

00:47:37   of breath from Mike listen to that [TS]

00:47:39   listen to that level in it I eat these [TS]

00:47:43   moments for breakfast [TS]

00:47:46   Mike doesn't like this for his email [TS]

00:47:49   tell me why you don't like this Mike [TS]

00:47:50   know that was a good intake of breath [TS]

00:47:54   Oh was it yeah I can't read you I don't [TS]

00:47:57   need you at all you're like a sphinx [TS]

00:47:58   I'll enigma [TS]

00:47:59   yeah exactly it's good as in this is [TS]

00:48:03   interesting [TS]

00:48:04   I've never really considered this before [TS]

00:48:06   but I kind of like the sound of it [TS]

00:48:09   ok so this came up because when i used [TS]

00:48:15   to do email like so many things on my [TS]

00:48:17   imac very often i found it was just [TS]

00:48:21   helpful to sort by sender there's [TS]

00:48:23   sometimes where you just want to find [TS]

00:48:25   like oh i know i have a bunch of [TS]

00:48:26   messages from one person let me just [TS]

00:48:28   deal with them all together and I [TS]

00:48:31   thought that was always useful like this [TS]

00:48:33   was great but then on iOS there's [TS]

00:48:36   nothing that really reproduces this this [TS]

00:48:39   seems like it is not an option in very [TS]

00:48:41   many email apps it's just isn't you [TS]

00:48:44   can't tell mail dot apt to sort by [TS]

00:48:46   sender you can't you can't do this it's [TS]

00:48:48   not it's just not a thing that that is [TS]

00:48:50   practical but what I really like is that [TS]

00:48:53   that uni box it's not that they allow [TS]

00:48:58   you to sort by sender it's that sort by [TS]

00:49:01   sender is the only thing it does and [TS]

00:49:04   they have built the entire app around [TS]

00:49:08   this idea and it's like oh this is [TS]

00:49:12   fantastic like this is this is really [TS]

00:49:15   well done [TS]

00:49:16   so here conceptually is why you might [TS]

00:49:20   want to do this one of the things we [TS]

00:49:22   talked about in the show is mode [TS]

00:49:24   shifting right like what like what kind [TS]

00:49:26   of work am i doing right now [TS]

00:49:28   what kind of work am i doing later you [TS]

00:49:30   know what what mental frame are you in [TS]

00:49:33   when you're performing a particular task [TS]

00:49:35   and it is helpful to consolidate mental [TS]

00:49:39   frames into larger and larger chunks [TS]

00:49:42   like this is just a more effective way [TS]

00:49:44   to work [TS]

00:49:45   and within email one of the things that [TS]

00:49:49   is often so frustrating about email is [TS]

00:49:53   that it is this slew of who-knows-what [TS]

00:49:56   like okay here is a message from my [TS]

00:50:00   parents here is a message from my lawyer [TS]

00:50:02   here is a newsletter from someplace that [TS]

00:50:06   I signed up to a long time ago [TS]

00:50:08   here's an automated message from my bank [TS]

00:50:10   right there's just these very very [TS]

00:50:12   different levels of things like you [TS]

00:50:14   never know what's coming through but [TS]

00:50:18   when it's all grouped together by sender [TS]

00:50:21   you can do [TS]

00:50:22   it's like there's less mode shifting [TS]

00:50:25   that can occur and so for me in [TS]

00:50:27   particular one of the things that i love [TS]

00:50:29   it i can open up uni box and when you [TS]

00:50:32   say it makes it makes email look like I [TS]

00:50:35   message it's because on the side of the [TS]

00:50:38   screen it does look quite like iMessage [TS]

00:50:41   it looks like there's a list of of [TS]

00:50:43   people like you have an iMessage and at [TS]

00:50:46   the top is the person who has contacted [TS]

00:50:48   you the most recently and then as you go [TS]

00:50:50   down the list it's less and less recent [TS]

00:50:53   but the thing is if you click on the [TS]

00:50:56   person at the top it will show you all [TS]

00:50:58   of the messages from that person in one [TS]

00:51:02   place and so I find it super helpful to [TS]

00:51:06   say like okay my lawyer has sent me [TS]

00:51:08   something but when i click on that I [TS]

00:51:11   want to be able to see all of the [TS]

00:51:13   messages from my lawyer that I have to [TS]

00:51:16   deal with right now and then it's like [TS]

00:51:18   okay i am in the mode of dealing with [TS]

00:51:20   the kinds of questions this person is [TS]

00:51:23   going to ask and I can just go okay [TS]

00:51:25   reply reply reply in or for example of [TS]

00:51:28   my assistant send me a bunch of stuff i [TS]

00:51:30   click on her name and it's okay great [TS]

00:51:32   here are the seven messages that she has [TS]

00:51:35   sent me since the last time i looked at [TS]

00:51:37   email and I can just [TS]

00:51:38   boom-boom-boom-boom-boom go through all [TS]

00:51:40   of these being in the mindset of i'm [TS]

00:51:43   replying to her with answers to things [TS]

00:51:46   about questions that she needs I was [TS]

00:51:47   like we're just going to go through this [TS]

00:51:48   and then what's great is I really love [TS]

00:51:51   it for things like Amazon notifications [TS]

00:51:55   Iraq amazon sends you messages about [TS]

00:51:58   next [TS]

00:51:58   that you bought or whatever here's where [TS]

00:52:01   the building the app around the idea of [TS]

00:52:04   sender is fantastic because there are [TS]

00:52:06   little gestures that you can do where [TS]

00:52:09   you can say something like just archive [TS]

00:52:12   all of these messages from amazon just [TS]

00:52:15   all of them at once and so what you're [TS]

00:52:17   not doing is say answering a message [TS]

00:52:19   from your lawyer and then seeing a [TS]

00:52:21   receipt from amazon and then archiving [TS]

00:52:23   that one message from amazon and then [TS]

00:52:25   replying to a message from someone else [TS]

00:52:27   and then again pops up amazon oh yes [TS]

00:52:30   just archive this one to like no no you [TS]

00:52:32   just deal with all of them at once and [TS]

00:52:35   it is fantastic and i think it is it is [TS]

00:52:38   a really really interestingly designed [TS]

00:52:41   app and I have to say it's got to be one [TS]

00:52:46   of the most effective ways to get [TS]

00:52:48   through email especially with these [TS]

00:52:49   little gestures where you can just deal [TS]

00:52:51   with centers all at once i'm a huge huge [TS]

00:52:55   fan of this [TS]

00:52:57   alright so let's say that i've sent you [TS]

00:53:00   an email Monday an email Wednesday in an [TS]

00:53:03   email on Sunday and then you come to [TS]

00:53:05   this on sunday and you deal with the [TS]

00:53:07   sunday message what happens on monday [TS]

00:53:09   and wednesday messages cuz if they're [TS]

00:53:11   grouped together by sender isn't it like [TS]

00:53:14   easy to just miss things because they're [TS]

00:53:16   not in a thread [TS]

00:53:17   ok there's a there's a weird little [TS]

00:53:22   feature that it took me awhile to figure [TS]

00:53:25   out like with what the hell do you want [TS]

00:53:27   me to do application and then once I [TS]

00:53:29   understood it was like oh ok fantastic [TS]

00:53:32   so there's an iMessage list on the left [TS]

00:53:38   hand side of the screen where like I [TS]

00:53:40   said before you can do [TS]

00:53:41   archive all of these messages you can [TS]

00:53:43   swipe to the left and you can set [TS]

00:53:45   whatever the gesture is like just send [TS]

00:53:47   it all to archive right but if mike has [TS]

00:53:50   sent me a bunch of messages on the [TS]

00:53:54   screen where I'm looking you the the [TS]

00:53:56   message that you sent me most recently [TS]

00:53:59   let's say you sent me a message [TS]

00:53:59   yesterday that's up at the top [TS]

00:54:02   the app has this like hidden feature [TS]

00:54:05   that was tricky to figure out but if i [TS]

00:54:08   reply to your message i can then [TS]

00:54:12   swype just on the subject of your [TS]

00:54:14   message and perform whatever actions i [TS]

00:54:18   want to from their kind of what i can do [TS]

00:54:20   is swipe on the subject and I've set it [TS]

00:54:22   up so like if I just swipe right it will [TS]

00:54:24   archive the message i have just replied [TS]

00:54:27   2 and then it immediately pulls up the [TS]

00:54:29   next most recent message that you sent [TS]

00:54:31   me so just collapse the threads together [TS]

00:54:33   so like if we're talking about one thing [TS]

00:54:37   and we've got five emails going back and [TS]

00:54:38   forth does it keep those together in [TS]

00:54:41   like one smaller windows you can still [TS]

00:54:43   see that there's other stuff hiding in [TS]

00:54:45   the background [TS]

00:54:46   alright so now if we have if we have had [TS]

00:54:48   a threaded messages when replying has [TS]

00:54:50   the same subject line it keeps all of [TS]

00:54:53   those together and it collapses it [TS]

00:54:56   visually on screen and there's a little [TS]

00:54:59   like a little arrow button on the bottom [TS]

00:55:01   that you can click to expand the entire [TS]

00:55:04   thread if you need to but you can see [TS]

00:55:07   the most recent thing for the thread at [TS]

00:55:08   the top and if you just start scrolling [TS]

00:55:10   down you can work your way backwards [TS]

00:55:12   through the thread so it keeps threaded [TS]

00:55:14   conversations together and then you can [TS]

00:55:16   perform these swipe gestures on a thread [TS]

00:55:19   as a bunch if you want to [TS]

00:55:23   does that make sense you're gonna make [TS]

00:55:27   me do that thing now where I have to [TS]

00:55:29   enter in five email account [TS]

00:55:33   alright sounds interesting this isn't in [TS]

00:55:37   a different take on email that intrigues [TS]

00:55:41   me enough that i want to try it [TS]

00:55:43   yeah what this reminds me of is when we [TS]

00:55:46   had our conversation about email apps a [TS]

00:55:47   while ago i mentioned i believe was male [TS]

00:55:51   pilot to was one of these apps where I [TS]

00:55:55   don't remember the details now but my [TS]

00:55:56   feeling was they have designed this [TS]

00:55:58   around doing email in a different way [TS]

00:56:01   and if your mind is lined up with this [TS]

00:56:05   way of dealing with email you're totally [TS]

00:56:08   going to love this [TS]

00:56:09   but that it wasn't for me but it was one [TS]

00:56:12   of those after i could see like you're [TS]

00:56:13   doing email differently and I think you [TS]

00:56:16   need a box is made might not be that [TS]

00:56:19   extreme but it's along those lines of [TS]

00:56:23   you're thinking about this a little bit [TS]

00:56:25   differently you're thinking about it in [TS]

00:56:27   terms of senders and dealing with [TS]

00:56:30   senders very quickly and having this [TS]

00:56:33   customizable swiping gestures that are [TS]

00:56:37   different for like the everything that [TS]

00:56:40   this person has sent or just this [TS]

00:56:42   current message and/or thread that [TS]

00:56:43   you're dealing with but if you can get [TS]

00:56:45   your mind wrapped around that it's I [TS]

00:56:48   really really recommend it I have to say [TS]

00:56:52   it's it's it's a very interesting take [TS]

00:56:55   on it and it is it is very well done and [TS]

00:56:58   yes I think that it is worth it for you [TS]

00:57:01   to put in all of your email apps can [TS]

00:57:04   also mention i have to mention they have [TS]

00:57:06   one of the cleverest monetization things [TS]

00:57:10   I have ever seen in terms of in-app [TS]

00:57:11   purchases so the app itself is free to [TS]

00:57:16   try you can use it but if you want to [TS]

00:57:20   remove the signature that says sent with [TS]

00:57:23   uni box genius then you have to buy the [TS]

00:57:27   in-app purchase to remove that signature [TS]

00:57:29   as a pro feature I pot that was so [TS]

00:57:33   clever when I saw that I thought this is [TS]

00:57:36   just it made me smile like that yes this [TS]

00:57:39   is the exact perfect place for an in-app [TS]

00:57:42   purchase to go [TS]

00:57:44   that's if I want to use this thing for [TS]

00:57:46   free I need to give you free promotion [TS]

00:57:48   on every email that I send if I don't [TS]

00:57:50   want to i can pay you money and this [TS]

00:57:52   unlock this feature like that why i am [TS]

00:57:55   that get that gets the cgpgrey award for [TS]

00:57:59   cleverest in-app purchase of 2016 so far [TS]

00:58:02   I thought it was just fantastic just not [TS]

00:58:04   do anything wear it like a period alpha [TS]

00:58:07   everywhere else [TS]

00:58:08   no it does not okay right this is one of [TS]

00:58:11   this is also a thing that i like it [TS]

00:58:13   doesn't have crazy custom folders good [TS]

00:58:15   it's not doing custom imap crap it's [TS]

00:58:18   just straight-up you have on inbox and [TS]

00:58:21   you have an archive and you have a spam [TS]

00:58:22   folder and that's the only thing that [TS]

00:58:23   cares about is not doing any custom [TS]

00:58:25   stuff [TS]

00:58:26   alright so I've just loaded up my relief [TS]

00:58:29   my email address into univox who is [TS]

00:58:31   doing something that I considered to be [TS]

00:58:33   horrific [TS]

00:58:34   ok what is it what is it doing every [TS]

00:58:36   email sent in a long list so i'll have [TS]

00:58:40   like everybody I don't want to see [TS]

00:58:42   everybody I wanted to see what I haven't [TS]

00:58:44   dealt with like that is uncomfortable to [TS]

00:58:46   me [TS]

00:58:52   ok listener would you just missed my [TS]

00:58:55   credit i'm going to assume that might [TS]

00:58:56   put in like a little little transition [TS]

00:58:57   sound or something but would you just [TS]

00:58:59   missed was a fascinating moment of Mike [TS]

00:59:04   and I trying to debug some setting that [TS]

00:59:08   I'd must have changed but I didn't [TS]

00:59:09   remember that Mike didn't have when he [TS]

00:59:11   set up his uni box email for the first [TS]

00:59:13   time and so we've saved you listening to [TS]

00:59:16   all of that horror and here is the [TS]

00:59:19   setting that I changed which I didn't [TS]

00:59:20   even remember that i did but in settings [TS]

00:59:24   for uni box there's a thing that is [TS]

00:59:26   called groups and they have some kind of [TS]

00:59:29   magic uni box and I disabled their magic [TS]

00:59:34   uni box exactly what that does [TS]

00:59:37   I don't know i don't remember i must [TS]

00:59:38   turn that off because I didn't like it [TS]

00:59:40   and now mike is using this the way I [TS]

00:59:42   want him to use this so if you dear [TS]

00:59:46   listener load of beauty box and you're [TS]

00:59:48   seeing emails from everybody in the [TS]

00:59:51   whole world that you have ever contacted [TS]

00:59:52   you want to turn off muni box and then [TS]

00:59:56   you will just have messages from people [TS]

00:59:59   who have contact [TS]

00:59:59   who have contact [TS]

01:00:00   did you that are also in your inbox okay [TS]

01:00:03   Mike now that we're here how's it going [TS]

01:00:05   this is really weird it is it is super [TS]

01:00:10   weird it's so super weird that I don't [TS]

01:00:13   know how when i first downloaded this I [TS]

01:00:15   stuck with it at first because you can [TS]

01:00:18   see there's a lot of very strange things [TS]

01:00:20   right off the bat but i love it it is [TS]

01:00:24   with that you stuck with this because it [TS]

01:00:28   is strange and I'm surprised you had the [TS]

01:00:30   tolerance for there's one thing that I [TS]

01:00:33   don't like about it [TS]

01:00:37   it seems that you can't swipe on the [TS]

01:00:40   group of the person to market message as [TS]

01:00:42   read or unread and I don't like that [TS]

01:00:45   ok you have to go into the individual [TS]

01:00:48   message to do that which is a really [TS]

01:00:49   weird choice and I'm looking in this [TS]

01:00:53   website things this is probably also [TS]

01:00:55   going to come out by the way [TS]

01:00:59   another example of a thing that was [TS]

01:01:01   weird that I remember being my deepest [TS]

01:01:04   frustration with it when i was trying to [TS]

01:01:05   use it was in the settings there's a [TS]

01:01:09   level that is called swipes and this is [TS]

01:01:13   what I was talking about before with [TS]

01:01:14   gestures where you can swipe to archive [TS]

01:01:17   all of the message from a particular [TS]

01:01:18   Center when you tap on the swipes option [TS]

01:01:21   it gives you two sub-options one of [TS]

01:01:26   which is contacts and one of which is [TS]

01:01:28   messages and the this is what you have [TS]

01:01:33   to understand to make this work and I [TS]

01:01:35   was so confused with is that you can set [TS]

01:01:39   different swipe gestures for the list of [TS]

01:01:43   people that you see on the left-hand [TS]

01:01:45   side that is what they're calling the [TS]

01:01:48   contacts swipes and then you can set a [TS]

01:01:52   separate list of gestures for swiping on [TS]

01:01:57   the title the subject of a message that [TS]

01:02:01   you are currently looking at and you can [TS]

01:02:04   you can arrange those however you want [TS]

01:02:07   and so the way i have it is so that i [TS]

01:02:10   can just swipe on the name of a person [TS]

01:02:14   on the left-hand side and say archive [TS]

01:02:16   all of the messages from them but I've [TS]

01:02:19   also set it up so that i can swipe on [TS]

01:02:22   the subject of a message that i am [TS]

01:02:24   looking at to immediately reply to that [TS]

01:02:28   message but it's it's weird and it takes [TS]

01:02:31   awhile to get set up and talking through [TS]

01:02:34   mike for all of the stuff that you dear [TS]

01:02:36   listener have been spared it's reminding [TS]

01:02:39   me that like yes it took a while for me [TS]

01:02:40   to figure out what this app wanted and [TS]

01:02:43   now it seems so natural i totally forgot [TS]

01:02:45   all of the painful playing around part [TS]

01:02:47   with it and I've been trying to [TS]

01:02:49   accelerate Mike past that [TS]

01:02:52   so like one of the things I'm really [TS]

01:02:53   struggling with is the choices that they [TS]

01:02:55   make in the swipes lake on contacts you [TS]

01:02:58   can choose to mark a message as read [TS]

01:03:01   live asswipe but it won't let you market [TS]

01:03:05   again as unread you have to do that on [TS]

01:03:07   the message i do see that you cannot add [TS]

01:03:10   a mark as unread message and then [TS]

01:03:13   it's like why but like they have their [TS]

01:03:15   in specific way of doing it is is what [TS]

01:03:18   I'm getting from this is that this app [TS]

01:03:20   just likes to do things in a strange and [TS]

01:03:24   kind of weird way [TS]

01:03:26   yeah and this is what i'm looking at and [TS]

01:03:31   seeing that this is a different way of [TS]

01:03:33   doing email to all of your email in this [TS]

01:03:36   app now [TS]

01:03:37   alright i have a funny workflow you have [TS]

01:03:40   a fun who is going to try to avoid this [TS]

01:03:42   but this since you have brought this up [TS]

01:03:44   i guess i have to talk through this so [TS]

01:03:47   the the what I always regard as the [TS]

01:03:50   absolute killer feature of mail that is [TS]

01:03:53   no way to get around it for me as is [TS]

01:03:57   really two things it's VIPs and alerts [TS]

01:03:59   from particular threads no other email [TS]

01:04:03   app seems to have this and and if they [TS]

01:04:05   have it doesn't work in the way that I [TS]

01:04:06   needed to the ability to mark a contact [TS]

01:04:11   as a VIP and have that person be pulled [TS]

01:04:14   out as into a separate inbox from [TS]

01:04:17   everybody else is invaluable to me so I [TS]

01:04:19   have a ton of people marked as VIPs and [TS]

01:04:21   it is also really valuable that if I [TS]

01:04:23   changed their email in their contact [TS]

01:04:26   hard like Apple just knows it's the same [TS]

01:04:28   person they're still a VIP I really wish [TS]

01:04:31   they would add VIP domains that I could [TS]

01:04:34   say everybody who sent a message from [TS]

01:04:36   this domain is a VIP but that's it [TS]

01:04:37   that's a that's a small feature right [TS]

01:04:39   the VIP thing is valuable [TS]

01:04:42   I cannot possibly leave it so this is my [TS]

01:04:44   current workflow when I am triaging my [TS]

01:04:47   email [TS]

01:04:48   step 1 I go to uni box and I look for my [TS]

01:04:51   assistant [TS]

01:04:52   I tap on her name and I can answer all [TS]

01:04:55   of her messages because she is top of [TS]

01:04:57   the triage priority list once i have [TS]

01:05:00   cleared her messages then I go over to [TS]

01:05:03   mail dot app and I start working my way [TS]

01:05:06   through the VIPs because these are the [TS]

01:05:09   people i have marked that I want them [TS]

01:05:11   pulled above the masses of emails that I [TS]

01:05:13   get largely from people that I don't [TS]

01:05:15   know or just newsletters are all kinds [TS]

01:05:18   of other stuff and so I do spend a lot [TS]

01:05:20   of time in mail because VIP message is [TS]

01:05:22   almost by definition require a lot of [TS]

01:05:24   time and attention [TS]

01:05:26   to reply to because they're important [TS]

01:05:28   things to work through the VIPs and then [TS]

01:05:31   this is where you need a box really [TS]

01:05:33   shines because after I've gone through [TS]

01:05:35   the VIPs and I switch back to uni box [TS]

01:05:38   now a huge portion of the emails that [TS]

01:05:43   are left over our automated messages of [TS]

01:05:47   some kind like things that I need to see [TS]

01:05:50   but I don't necessarily want to have [TS]

01:05:52   mixed in with the regular messages when [TS]

01:05:54   I'm going through them and so this [TS]

01:05:56   second time of going to uni box is a [TS]

01:05:59   very different mental framework it's [TS]

01:06:02   like that will all i want to do is I [TS]

01:06:03   want to clear an archive most of this [TS]

01:06:05   stuff because the chance that i'm going [TS]

01:06:07   to reply to almost any of these messages [TS]

01:06:09   is very very low and anything that i am [TS]

01:06:13   going to reply to there's a pretty good [TS]

01:06:15   chance that what it is is that person [TS]

01:06:17   should really be a VIP and in my system [TS]

01:06:19   and so like when i get my messages from [TS]

01:06:23   hover about there's a domain that's [TS]

01:06:25   going to be renewing sometime soon [TS]

01:06:27   it's great because I say like oh fer [TS]

01:06:29   sent me a bunch of messages like i can [TS]

01:06:30   click on it I can just quickly scroll [TS]

01:06:32   through and see ya [TS]

01:06:33   everything looked great with all of the [TS]

01:06:34   various domains they're talking about [TS]

01:06:35   archive these 10 messages done right and [TS]

01:06:38   just move on to the next thing [TS]

01:06:40   oh here's everything I bought from [TS]

01:06:41   amazon like quick swipe through yet all [TS]

01:06:43   looks great fine no problem archive done [TS]

01:06:45   and so that is that is my flow its [TS]

01:06:48   unique box to pull out my assistant then [TS]

01:06:51   go to mail dot app clear VIPs then go to [TS]

01:06:55   uni box and try to just get through the [TS]

01:06:57   rest of it as soon as possible but you [TS]

01:06:59   need boxes a fantastic tool for that [TS]

01:07:01   fantastic you have given me two things [TS]

01:07:03   today uh huh [TS]

01:07:05   you have given me an app that I now need [TS]

01:07:08   to play around with from and potentially [TS]

01:07:10   waste some time in and you've also given [TS]

01:07:14   me a lot of work to do in the Edit from [TS]

01:07:19   me to you Mike it's a gift [TS]

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01:09:12   just tweet with the hashtag as cortex it [TS]

01:09:14   goes into a lot of spreadsheet and then [TS]

01:09:16   we pick them out whenever we want to [TS]

01:09:17   talk about them on the show [TS]

01:09:20   ok lioness wanted to know how much time [TS]

01:09:22   is there between waking up and starting [TS]

01:09:25   work for us [TS]

01:09:26   I find this really interesting because [TS]

01:09:29   i'm going to go first on this one haha [TS]

01:09:31   immediately [TS]

01:09:33   who so the first thing I do when I wake [TS]

01:09:36   up in the morning is get my iphone and [TS]

01:09:37   look at notification center and see [TS]

01:09:39   what's happened then open slack than I [TS]

01:09:42   open email and i begin the day I mean I [TS]

01:09:45   get up [TS]

01:09:46   I always have to remember that you do a [TS]

01:09:48   fundamentally different job than me you [TS]

01:09:50   do a job that totally makes sense but I [TS]

01:09:53   know that that would be the fastest way [TS]

01:09:55   to ruin my whole day would be doing that [TS]

01:09:59   yep the differences between me nu the [TS]

01:10:02   fundamental difference is you work on [TS]

01:10:04   your own and I work of a people except I [TS]

01:10:07   mostly work on my own [TS]

01:10:08   maybe not so much in the future but for [TS]

01:10:10   the time being that's gonna change let [TS]

01:10:12   me tell you my friend that's gonna start [TS]

01:10:14   to change for you soon for the time [TS]

01:10:17   being I mostly work on my own so yeah [TS]

01:10:18   it'sit's did that your job is knowing [TS]

01:10:21   while you were sleeping in London [TS]

01:10:24   did any of the people in in the wrong [TS]

01:10:26   time zone messaged you about things that [TS]

01:10:28   they they needed done [TS]

01:10:29   yep think that that's what you need to [TS]

01:10:31   do that is your work and so waking up [TS]

01:10:34   check notifications makes sense do you [TS]

01:10:36   do you even get out of bed for that or [TS]

01:10:39   do you just reach over and grab the [TS]

01:10:40   phone and look right at messages just [TS]

01:10:42   reach over man [TS]

01:10:43   wow ok I mean that's polluting the [TS]

01:10:48   sanctity of the bedrooms which doing [TS]

01:10:50   there well sure but what happens is i do [TS]

01:10:53   this i see if there's anything urgent i [TS]

01:10:56   respond to anything that I want to [TS]

01:10:58   respond to and then i will take a break [TS]

01:11:01   for a while retweet her I might watch a [TS]

01:11:03   YouTube video or two like I would then I [TS]

01:11:06   guess immediately the first thing that I [TS]

01:11:07   do when I wake up but then there's a [TS]

01:11:09   break over a time period however it [TS]

01:11:12   might be like an hour or two before I [TS]

01:11:15   then get on with like show prep for the [TS]

01:11:17   day em right so like it I just basically [TS]

01:11:21   I just want to know that nothing went [TS]

01:11:23   crazy when i was sleeping right you are [TS]

01:11:26   performing an emergency triage yeah is [TS]

01:11:28   there anything that's an emergency if [TS]

01:11:32   not then i can just get on with with my [TS]

01:11:34   day like that's what you're doing [TS]

01:11:35   because there will be a bunch of things [TS]

01:11:37   that basically i wake up in the morning [TS]

01:11:39   and then I add some stuff to only focus [TS]

01:11:40   because they're things that I need to [TS]

01:11:42   look at but if there's something crazy [TS]

01:11:44   happened i do want to get on that soon [TS]

01:11:46   as possible [TS]

01:11:47   m okay all right yeah that works for you [TS]

01:11:51   that works for you and you know how [TS]

01:11:53   about looking at the literally in bed [TS]

01:11:54   but you know well whatever whenever you [TS]

01:11:56   want to do [TS]

01:11:57   I'm very accepting of the way other [TS]

01:12:00   people work now you know it's like [TS]

01:12:02   finally like and subtract but I'm trying [TS]

01:12:05   to I'm trying to you know I'm trying to [TS]

01:12:06   be more relaxed about this kind of stuff [TS]

01:12:09   you know this is like my personal arc my [TS]

01:12:12   personal journey you have to be more [TS]

01:12:14   chill about the way other people work [TS]

01:12:15   and it's fine fine for them [TS]

01:12:17   we're more where did you learn more [TS]

01:12:19   chill because you keep saying this [TS]

01:12:20   happen told you more chill do i keep [TS]

01:12:24   saying this and we keep saying it to me [TS]

01:12:26   at all right so how does it go for you [TS]

01:12:30   wake up you kind of smell the roses a [TS]

01:12:33   little bit you walk around with your [TS]

01:12:34   tiny phone by the way why did this [TS]

01:12:36   number come up if you don't buy a tiny [TS]

01:12:38   fun and nothing about it i find out [TS]

01:12:40   about listening to your other show you [TS]

01:12:44   think of your tiny phone hasn't got any [TS]

01:12:45   apps on it and then you just go and take [TS]

01:12:47   your lovely run through the canals of [TS]

01:12:50   Amsterdam or something [TS]

01:12:51   no that's not that's not okay so that [TS]

01:12:54   their this question is tying into a [TS]

01:12:58   bigger thing about routines that I think [TS]

01:13:01   we should we should revisit at some [TS]

01:13:04   point but I i happen to know that at [TS]

01:13:08   least right now it is a it is about 30 [TS]

01:13:12   minutes maybe 45 minutes between the [TS]

01:13:16   time when I wake up and I start to work [TS]

01:13:20   i spent a bunch of time in no small part [TS]

01:13:22   because of having this this writing [TS]

01:13:24   office over the last many weeks [TS]

01:13:27   rethinking what is my morning routine [TS]

01:13:28   like what is my my normal schedule like [TS]

01:13:30   and what I do and I've been very [TS]

01:13:34   successful at doing is trying as much as [TS]

01:13:38   possible to be prepared the night before [TS]

01:13:41   for anything i need to to do in the day [TS]

01:13:44   so that when I wake up I can just head [TS]

01:13:48   right out the door and head straight to [TS]

01:13:50   my writing monastery and get to work as [TS]

01:13:54   immediately as possible and what I want [TS]

01:13:56   to do is what I want to eliminate any [TS]

01:13:59   possible roadblocks for that I'm just [TS]

01:14:02   trying to like smooth landing into the [TS]

01:14:05   writing office that's what i want and so [TS]

01:14:08   the idea of waking up [TS]

01:14:11   I'm gonna grab my backpack that has been [TS]

01:14:13   prepared the day before you know i'm [TS]

01:14:16   going to dress in clothes that I know [TS]

01:14:19   are available like everything [TS]

01:14:20   everything's already been set like [TS]

01:14:21   there's an outfit there's a bag i can [TS]

01:14:23   just put that stuff right on head right [TS]

01:14:26   out the door walk to the office i have [TS]

01:14:29   even eliminated I used to get food on on [TS]

01:14:31   the way into the office but I've [TS]

01:14:32   eliminated that step of the process and [TS]

01:14:35   i just have I have like some tea [TS]

01:14:38   that's in the office able to be prepared [TS]

01:14:40   really easily so i can just head right [TS]

01:14:43   in make the tea [TS]

01:14:44   it's on the desk and just immediately [TS]

01:14:46   start getting to work and that has been [TS]

01:14:49   that has been very successful for me so [TS]

01:14:53   I guess 30 minutes 45 minutes that's the [TS]

01:14:55   answer that's really what they want to [TS]

01:14:56   know yeah I'm not necessarily envious of [TS]

01:14:59   that like it sounds nice but like I like [TS]

01:15:00   my morning routine you know because it [TS]

01:15:03   is the idea of like I checked those [TS]

01:15:04   things immediately but then i take a [TS]

01:15:06   nice break all have breakfast I'll go [TS]

01:15:08   down and watch like a YouTube video ye [TS]

01:15:10   breakfast you know and I get into my day [TS]

01:15:13   that way and so you know that that works [TS]

01:15:16   well for me I just up with the way that [TS]

01:15:19   I work and this is going to change for [TS]

01:15:20   you man I'm telling you like even six [TS]

01:15:23   months time one of the first thing first [TS]

01:15:25   things you need to do in the morning is [TS]

01:15:27   to just make sure that everybody's okay [TS]

01:15:28   now now it's never gonna happen to think [TS]

01:15:31   that the mark this point dear listener [TS]

01:15:34   now that's never gonna happen that can [TS]

01:15:36   happen autumn space asked how do you [TS]

01:15:38   calculate publicity in your magical [TS]

01:15:42   spreadsheets when thinking about paid [TS]

01:15:44   gigs like talks and keynotes and events [TS]

01:15:47   and things like that since they're [TS]

01:15:48   they're asking about spreadsheets I [TS]

01:15:50   assume that they're not really asking [TS]

01:15:51   you you don't have you don't have [TS]

01:15:52   spreadsheet to track things do you know [TS]

01:15:53   I was even just just just for linking [TS]

01:15:57   purposes ever i was going to link to our [TS]

01:15:59   episode on the e-myth revisited which [TS]

01:16:03   you just recently put up on YouTube and [TS]

01:16:05   was going to send that out in a tweet [TS]

01:16:06   and I loaded up that I happened to hear [TS]

01:16:08   that there was a section in there where [TS]

01:16:10   we were discussing how you had it on [TS]

01:16:13   your project list to make some [TS]

01:16:16   spreadsheets so that you could evaluate [TS]

01:16:17   what your hourly time per project was [TS]

01:16:20   yep and you said all we're going to get [TS]

01:16:21   to that soon i'm going to get to that [TS]

01:16:22   soon but that what this is now a pro [TS]

01:16:24   doing almost half a year ago and I never [TS]

01:16:27   define soon I never define soon besides [TS]

01:16:29   I want to like has there been [TS]

01:16:31   has there been any motion on this no you [TS]

01:16:33   know what actually I think needs to [TS]

01:16:34   happen is that you just need to help me [TS]

01:16:37   so look at whenever that will happen is [TS]

01:16:39   when that will get done because I don't [TS]

01:16:40   even know where to begin [TS]

01:16:41   ok deal that that's total deal I i will [TS]

01:16:44   i will help you with that Mike thank ya [TS]

01:16:47   we will meet up at some point and we can [TS]

01:16:49   talk about how how to do that in a [TS]

01:16:51   practical way so I'll help I'll help you [TS]

01:16:53   feel that [TS]

01:16:53   thank you it's even think you worry [TS]

01:16:55   about anymore [TS]

01:16:56   well the thing is it's it's not a it's [TS]

01:17:00   not something I ever really worried [TS]

01:17:03   about the gap in my experience has [TS]

01:17:07   always been that any notion of publicity [TS]

01:17:09   is over-rated unless you are trying to [TS]

01:17:15   achieve something very specific so it [TS]

01:17:19   gives you are if you are let's say you [TS]

01:17:21   have made a new app that is going to be [TS]

01:17:24   a new platform you want all of the [TS]

01:17:27   publicity in the world because what [TS]

01:17:29   you're trying to do is attract an [TS]

01:17:31   enormous number of users and as we [TS]

01:17:35   mentioned before there are things like [TS]

01:17:36   Network effects if you can get even just [TS]

01:17:38   a little bit ahead it can matter a huge [TS]

01:17:40   amount later on there are narrow [TS]

01:17:42   sections of the world where publicity [TS]

01:17:46   genuinely matters but even though i have [TS]

01:17:50   i have found myself this reluctance [TS]

01:17:53   public ish figure on the internet I just [TS]

01:17:58   have never thought that this kind of [TS]

01:17:59   publicity matters for the kind of career [TS]

01:18:03   that I want to have and so my feeling [TS]

01:18:06   has always been like well my very first [TS]

01:18:09   video the UK video I was a nobody when I [TS]

01:18:13   uploaded it and lots of people watched [TS]

01:18:15   it because they liked it and it was good [TS]

01:18:17   and it was shareable and so I don't [TS]

01:18:21   think if I went out and took all of the [TS]

01:18:25   gigs that people offer me for for [TS]

01:18:27   publicity [TS]

01:18:28   I don't think that would affect my [TS]

01:18:29   youtube business hardly at all like I [TS]

01:18:31   think people think there's a [TS]

01:18:33   relationship between those two but the [TS]

01:18:35   relationship is very small just like [TS]

01:18:38   actually [TS]

01:18:38   just like we we discussed before people [TS]

01:18:41   overvalue followers on social media [TS]

01:18:43   where they think like oh wow look at all [TS]

01:18:46   those Twitter followers when that person [TS]

01:18:48   tweets out a link so many people must [TS]

01:18:49   click it now [TS]

01:18:50   no they don't like it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

01:18:52   have nearly as much of an effect as [TS]

01:18:54   people think it does and i imagine [TS]

01:18:56   publicity for me would be the same kind [TS]

01:18:59   of thing like would have would have some [TS]

01:19:01   effect would have a nonzero effect [TS]

01:19:05   yes but is it worth my time pursuing [TS]

01:19:08   publicity which I don't want for me [TS]

01:19:10   personally anyway [TS]

01:19:12   would the time spent pursuing that or [TS]

01:19:14   working on any publicity gigs on a [TS]

01:19:17   spreadsheet payoff in terms of greater [TS]

01:19:20   numbers of subscribers or larger numbers [TS]

01:19:22   of use [TS]

01:19:23   I really don't think so and I have some [TS]

01:19:26   anecdotal data from let's say people I [TS]

01:19:29   know who have done extremely [TS]

01:19:32   high-profile publicity things and it get [TS]

01:19:37   affects the youtube channel [TS]

01:19:38   none like it you would never know it [TS]

01:19:40   doesn't seem to make any real difference [TS]

01:19:41   I don't have anything that factors in [TS]

01:19:44   publicity [TS]

01:19:45   I think it's overvalued what I do have [TS]

01:19:47   is is what I just discussed before is [TS]

01:19:48   that I have a a crystal clear idea of [TS]

01:19:52   what my time is worth on various [TS]

01:19:55   projects and so when anybody comes to me [TS]

01:19:59   with the idea like oh we would like you [TS]

01:20:00   to work on this but this project or like [TS]

01:20:02   here's a here's a talk that you could [TS]

01:20:04   give somewhere here's the thing you [TS]

01:20:05   could do i'm evaluating it in purely in [TS]

01:20:09   terms of how much would my time be worth [TS]

01:20:13   like what is the opportunity cost of [TS]

01:20:15   going to this event and are they [TS]

01:20:18   covering more than the opportunity cost [TS]

01:20:20   of of working on another YouTube video [TS]

01:20:22   and so I don't do a lot of public events [TS]

01:20:26   because the amounts offered usually [TS]

01:20:28   don't cover the opportunity cost that is [TS]

01:20:31   it's almost always better to spend my [TS]

01:20:34   time working on a video that people will [TS]

01:20:36   like then it is to spend my time we are [TS]

01:20:40   preparing for a talk at a public event [TS]

01:20:42   anything published related for me the [TS]

01:20:47   the main kind of barometers do wonder [TS]

01:20:51   this is something I want to do ya [TS]

01:20:53   conference talk right it's not actually [TS]

01:20:56   gonna make a massive difference to my [TS]

01:20:57   bottom line but do I want to do this [TS]

01:21:00   like I've turned down same as you have [TS]

01:21:03   I've turned down paid speaking gigs [TS]

01:21:04   because the ages it didn't excite me [TS]

01:21:07   enough time and wasn't worth the amount [TS]

01:21:08   of time it would take but I also accept [TS]

01:21:11   them and I like to do them when a bunch [TS]

01:21:14   of things are line for me [TS]

01:21:16   yeah yeah yeah to be clear there is a [TS]

01:21:19   difference for things that are fun or [TS]

01:21:23   interesting or have some kind of other [TS]

01:21:25   opportunity but that's that is very [TS]

01:21:28   different from a just straight up [TS]

01:21:29   publicity kind of move ya like that I i [TS]

01:21:33   am with you on that like there are [TS]

01:21:34   events that i have gone to there are [TS]

01:21:36   events that i will go to that I am doing [TS]

01:21:38   not because like I am desirous of [TS]

01:21:40   publicity but because it is an [TS]

01:21:43   interesting event to go and like I [TS]

01:21:44   personally want to go right or there are [TS]

01:21:48   interesting people there or it could [TS]

01:21:50   just be a fun thing to do but that's a [TS]

01:21:52   that's a very different kind of [TS]

01:21:54   calculation than that like a publicity [TS]

01:21:56   calculation [TS]

01:21:57   yeah i like and i think that's important [TS]

01:22:00   with these types of things along the [TS]

01:22:01   stickers if you there are always going [TS]

01:22:05   to be things that you will want to just [TS]

01:22:06   attend because it's gonna be fun and [TS]

01:22:08   moving there's a lot of my feelings with [TS]

01:22:10   stuff like that as long as I'm not [TS]

01:22:11   losing money as long as there's a way [TS]

01:22:14   for me to like make the money back or [TS]

01:22:15   make it work financially then i'm going [TS]

01:22:18   to go for it you know who and by he just [TS]

01:22:21   what is your protein bar of choice who [TS]

01:22:25   asking the hard-hitting questions [TS]

01:22:28   protein bar of choice within within [TS]

01:22:31   arm's reach I can lean back in my chair [TS]

01:22:33   back in my chair I can grab several [TS]

01:22:38   boxes of protein bars in fact within [TS]

01:22:42   arm's reach I have something like 60 [TS]

01:22:45   protein bars in little boxes so it's [TS]

01:22:48   more than unique you need that about a [TS]

01:22:50   one-time ok no but it's only because [TS]

01:22:53   these are within within hands reach that [TS]

01:22:55   happen to be on the on the counter in my [TS]

01:22:58   kitchen [TS]

01:22:59   there is one cabinets which is filled [TS]

01:23:01   entirely with protein bars [TS]

01:23:03   I don't know there's gonna be like a [TS]

01:23:06   hundred hundred fifty protein bars in [TS]

01:23:07   there I don't know how long do these [TS]

01:23:08   things lost they last forever [TS]

01:23:11   ok and still you don't need that many at [TS]

01:23:13   one time [TS]

01:23:14   well here's the thing West is the brand [TS]

01:23:16   that I like and they make a ton of [TS]

01:23:20   different flavors and there happens to [TS]

01:23:22   be a little bit of an oversupply right [TS]

01:23:24   now because they've changed a bunch of [TS]

01:23:25   the recipes and I am trying out a bunch [TS]

01:23:29   of the different flavors and i am also [TS]

01:23:32   i'm also getting ready for some summer [TS]

01:23:37   travels I have a lot of summer traveling [TS]

01:23:39   ahead of me a bunch of family stuff that [TS]

01:23:41   i'm going to go to some occult xmas the [TS]

01:23:44   summer court xmas where we will not be [TS]

01:23:46   recording the show because yes cortex [TS]

01:23:50   mrs. the holiday that comes four times a [TS]

01:23:52   year twice and Amelia coming up this [TS]

01:23:55   summer and whenever I go travelling I [TS]

01:24:00   want to make sure that I have enough [TS]

01:24:03   protein bars to cover the length of my [TS]

01:24:06   travel so i can get by with two protein [TS]

01:24:12   bars in a day if I have to if there are [TS]

01:24:14   no acceptable food options or if I just [TS]

01:24:17   don't want to eat like a regular meal so [TS]

01:24:21   for example when a couple years ago now [TS]

01:24:23   i did that random acts of intelligence [TS]

01:24:24   showdown in Alabama a big part of my [TS]

01:24:28   suitcase was loaded up with protein bars [TS]

01:24:31   because I wanted to be able to have a [TS]

01:24:33   meal covered for every meal for the [TS]

01:24:36   duration of the week or so that I was [TS]

01:24:38   down there I had this suitcase filled [TS]

01:24:41   with various protein bars so that I [TS]

01:24:43   would always know there was food [TS]

01:24:44   available [TS]

01:24:45   why would you consider to have one for [TS]

01:24:47   every meal available because i like to [TS]

01:24:50   plan for the worst case scenario [TS]

01:24:52   who knows what the food situation is [TS]

01:24:54   going to be like not me you never know [TS]

01:24:56   that that's over planning I feel like [TS]

01:24:58   that is is over [TS]

01:25:00   eda yeah well here's the thing turns out [TS]

01:25:03   in Alabama everything is delicious [TS]

01:25:05   absolutely everything is fantastically [TS]

01:25:08   delicious in Alabama and I wanted to eat [TS]

01:25:12   six meals a day in Alabama of everything [TS]

01:25:15   it [TS]

01:25:15   mmm yummy breakfast food i'm gonna have [TS]

01:25:17   breakfast i'm gonna have second [TS]

01:25:18   breakfast is going to be elevenses then [TS]

01:25:20   you roll around like a lunchtime this is [TS]

01:25:22   fantastic too so I i did not did not [TS]

01:25:25   need all the protein bars that were [TS]

01:25:26   there but because i am often traveling [TS]

01:25:29   on standby trips for example I don't [TS]

01:25:33   always know precisely when my leaving [TS]

01:25:35   date is going to be this is part of the [TS]

01:25:37   reason why I really like to over pack [TS]

01:25:39   and it totally worked out for my last [TS]

01:25:43   trip to amsterdam when I overpacked [TS]

01:25:45   protein bars but i ended up staying much [TS]

01:25:48   longer and really one of the prime [TS]

01:25:50   reasons that i left amsterdam when i did [TS]

01:25:52   was i was finally out of protein bars [TS]

01:25:54   for lunch was like oh ok well i guess i [TS]

01:25:57   have to go now I'm not gonna find a [TS]

01:25:59   substitute lunch like this is just what [TS]

01:26:00   i'm going to eat so so I left but yes [TS]

01:26:03   quest protein bars I i highly recommend [TS]

01:26:07   them and they are perhaps the only [TS]

01:26:11   protein bar that I have ever eaten that [TS]

01:26:13   is genuinely a replacement meal like [TS]

01:26:18   I've come across a lot of these protein [TS]

01:26:19   bars like oh you can eat one of these [TS]

01:26:21   and you will be hungry again lies total [TS]

01:26:23   lies but these these really work like a [TS]

01:26:27   lot however made you try one Mike I [TS]

01:26:28   can't remember we had a conversation on [TS]

01:26:31   the phone after an episode of cortex I [TS]

01:26:33   think it was the episode where I was [TS]

01:26:34   dying [TS]

01:26:35   uh-huh remember and I I the bagel and I [TS]

01:26:38   really loopy don't really know what's [TS]

01:26:40   going with sound familiar [TS]

01:26:41   all that happened and then we were [TS]

01:26:44   talking about quest protein bars we were [TS]

01:26:46   talking about the fact that different [TS]

01:26:48   people like different flavors and some [TS]

01:26:50   people might want to think it's great [TS]

01:26:52   and somebody else will think it's [TS]

01:26:54   disgusting and then you said you would [TS]

01:26:56   bring me some to try and you never did [TS]

01:26:58   no okay must've just forgotten about it [TS]

01:27:01   but yes that is definitely in my case [TS]

01:27:04   with the quest bars is if you can get [TS]

01:27:07   your hands on a variety pack [TS]

01:27:09   you should try the variety pack because [TS]

01:27:11   my universal experiences that people [TS]

01:27:14   have really strong reactions to the [TS]

01:27:16   various flavors that they either like [TS]

01:27:17   them or they think they are like poison [TS]

01:27:19   and so if you try one and you think this [TS]

01:27:21   quest protein bar it tastes like poison [TS]

01:27:23   you need to just try a different one [TS]

01:27:25   it's something about the way their made [TS]

01:27:27   people have [TS]

01:27:28   these these very very strong reactions [TS]

01:27:30   to them but i guess that did I promise [TS]

01:27:34   you that thing it doesn't sound like a [TS]

01:27:35   thing I promise you did he said the next [TS]

01:27:37   time we may I will bring a selection of [TS]

01:27:39   them so you can try them and I said okay [TS]

01:27:41   I'll look forward to it and that Dana [TS]

01:27:43   became okay well the next time we meet I [TS]

01:27:46   will bring a selection of them so you [TS]

01:27:47   can try them i have not literally no [TS]

01:27:49   faith in you [TS]

01:27:50   I I don't see why you wouldn't [TS]