Cortex 29: Dvorak


  there is a nonzero chance that someone's [TS]

  gonna write our names on the on the u.s. [TS]

  ballot [TS]

  oh yeah it's that you don't understand [TS]

  like that is going to happen [TS]

  I i guarantee you that yeah that and so [TS]

  someone somewhere is going to have to [TS]

  read out how many boats we got right [TS]

  like someone is going to read out [TS]

  somewhere and then me and you have been [TS]

  that we've got voted to it's gonna be [TS]

  great [TS]

  it seems inevitable that someone's gonna [TS]

  write clearly 2016 on their on their [TS]

  write-in vote I would be shocked if it [TS]

  doesn't happen very excited about that [TS]

  full yeah but then this can also act as [TS]

  a check on voter fraud because you [TS]

  always get these stories come out where [TS]

  someone does a write-in vote that's a [TS]

  name so that they can intentionally [TS]

  check later when the votes are counted [TS]

  to see if that one write-in vote was [TS]

  counted very often it's not which I [TS]

  doesn't make you feel super secure and [TS]

  democracy [TS]

  mm so we're going to have to check [TS]

  everywhere we go i will you find where [TS]

  we where we've been voted yet you can or [TS]

  we're greatly 2016 can be a check on the [TS]

  integrity of your local polling station [TS]

  yes the canary that's like a warrant [TS]

  canary right great 2016 on your ballot [TS]

  and then you see if you got any votes [TS]

  remember people on top of the ticket [TS]

  yeah yeah that I think this is perfect [TS]

  and so people can do i'm looking forward [TS]

  to the election season [TS]

  yeah we're gonna win oh I don't know [TS]

  it's like trying to remember our own [TS]

  platform is it is it was an ipad and [TS]

  every house and automation in every app [TS]

  yeah perfect make ipad great again make [TS]

  I've had great again [TS]

  so you went ahead and did it you've put [TS]

  your application out that we were [TS]

  talking about last time for the [TS]

  freelance animation work [TS]

  yes oh dear how's it going so far [TS]

  I don't know I i said in the i said in [TS]

  the application i wasn't going to look [TS]

  at entries until tomorrow and I haven't [TS]

  so i have no idea how it's going [TS]

  do you know if anyone coming in I do [TS]

  know that a bunch of come in okay [TS]

  because i have arranged a system with my [TS]

  assistants my i guess like now slight [TS]

  member [TS]

  HR department assistant surprise [TS]

  promotion that she has been receiving [TS]

  all of the various applications [TS]

  she has been putting the information [TS]

  into a spreadsheet with some secret [TS]

  checks behind the scenes that I also [TS]

  want some information that but in the [TS]

  spreadsheet and then she is also taking [TS]

  the videos and she is giving them all [TS]

  number and putting them all into a [TS]

  dropbox folder for me to view so I'm not [TS]

  exactly sure how many videos are in that [TS]

  dropbox folder right now I know there's [TS]

  there's a bunch and I'm gonna take a [TS]

  look through them and this is the way [TS]

  that I want to do what I just want to [TS]

  have a number i don't want to know [TS]

  anything about the person i just want to [TS]

  see the video [TS]

  yeah and so this way i can say oh yes ID [TS]

  number 1245 this person was good for the [TS]

  collection papers exactly right and I [TS]

  could say oh you know the these three [TS]

  these three are good and then let's move [TS]

  on from here and see okay like you know [TS]

  did this person send a portfolio did [TS]

  they do a bunch of other stuff that's [TS]

  that's the way I'm doing it so I i will [TS]

  not be looking at the applications first [TS]

  because the most relevant thing to me is [TS]

  how well can it be animated and i'm just [TS]

  going to look at those i'm going to look [TS]

  at them clean with just a file number [TS]

  and that's how it's going to start so I [TS]

  know people have sent in applications [TS]

  but i haven't actually looked at any yet [TS]

  so I don't know if they're any good [TS]

  you're not going to know this but i'm [TS]

  just going to mention it for the [TS]

  listeners who will know this i just [TS]

  realized that the video that you created [TS]

  with your voiceover that people will [TS]

  take the gradient the colors that you [TS]

  have to look just like the new instagram [TS]

  logo [TS]

  oh ok i know that was going to be your [TS]

  on so but now people can go and look at [TS]

  that and be like oh wow they felt it [TS]

  took the idea from you so if you hate [TS]

  the Instagram logo you can you can blame [TS]

  great for that one [TS]

  I don't have an Instagram of all the [TS]

  people in my life to assumed would not [TS]

  have Instagram would be you [TS]

  okay what are you going to post the [TS]

  pictures of your food the protein bars [TS]

  and bolts things like that [TS]

  that's perfect for flights of not some [TS]

  bolts that you just chowed down on your [TS]

  robot power [TS]

  yeah i like the system of just randomly [TS]

  looking at videos rather than looking at [TS]

  the applications themselves because the [TS]

  thing that you want to be judging people [TS]

  and is the work not anything about them [TS]

  as a human [TS]

  yeah that the work is the thing that is [TS]

  the most relevance and I also figured [TS]

  that this is the way i mean i don't know [TS]

  how many of these are going to be [TS]

  looking at hopefully lots but I figure [TS]

  this is the fastest way to be able to go [TS]

  through something because I just you [TS]

  know I have obviously been thinking a [TS]

  lot about hiring and having some [TS]

  interesting conversations with people [TS]

  and this is one of these cases where in [TS]

  my attempt to to work with someone in [TS]

  this particular situation there their [TS]

  resume is not really relevant page that [TS]

  the only thing that is relevant is how [TS]

  well they can do this and so if someone [TS]

  sends me you know a resume and says I i [TS]

  went to this design school and I went to [TS]

  this design school and I'm certified in [TS]

  Adobe Illustrator and i'm certified like [TS]

  okay man like that's great but i don't i [TS]

  don't really care like I only care if if [TS]

  this thing can be done you know it's and [TS]

  if this is if this is your first attempt [TS]

  at ever doing any kind of animation and [TS]

  you do it well the flipside like I don't [TS]

  care either [TS]

  you know if you're brand-new but you [TS]

  just learned adobe illustrator and you [TS]

  gave it a go and you did a good job like [TS]

  fantastic welcome aboard like this is [TS]

  yeah this is the thing this is the thing [TS]

  that is relevant to me so that's why i [TS]

  don't i figure i watch the videos first [TS]

  and then I'll i look at what has come [TS]

  through on email [TS]

  secondarily because something else I [TS]

  hadn't thought by so you replied to a [TS]

  reddit comment about this there was not [TS]

  necessarily one person is gonna you know [TS]

  you have like multiple golden tickets to [TS]

  come and look inside to see gray factory [TS]

  golden tickets are fitted then I just [TS]

  considered how much this is like Willy [TS]

  Wonka I I don't see the connection and [TS]

  over these seen you in many years [TS]

  there is you know [TS]

  is a factory in which amazing things put [TS]

  together for the enjoyment of millions [TS]

  just like Willy Wonka and now you've [TS]

  opened up to the world for somebody to [TS]

  come in [TS]

  you know and they're gonna go people for [TS]

  a set of trials to see if they will be [TS]

  the the true and pure person who can [TS]

  help you out the end well as long as I'm [TS]

  gene wilder Willy Wonka and I'm not [TS]

  Johnny Depp Willy Wonka that is the only [TS]

  one the gene wilder movies a faucet [TS]

  period movie [TS]

  yeah okay so they just want to make it [TS]

  clear yeah Chris in this in this analogy [TS]

  in this analogy i'm jean water i do not [TS]

  want to be Johnny Depp in this analogy [TS]

  am I like an oompa loompa then i guess i [TS]

  am right if you want to do that to [TS]

  yourself [TS]

  go right ahead but this is the only [TS]

  thing I can be in this scenario right [TS]

  because i work with you already and [TS]

  they're the only people that work of him [TS]

  already right [TS]

  yeah I just a shame like I can see the [TS]

  photo shops already like it's gonna be [TS]

  great i can't wait for it but yes so [TS]

  moving right along from the inevitable [TS]

  bearded photoshop's of Mike as in beluga [TS]

  too pretty to the ass even hit in this [TS]

  scenario yeah it's having having put out [TS]

  this job application it's interesting to [TS]

  see like a eight challenge of clarity [TS]

  sometimes where there are things which [TS]

  are sort of clear in my mind the new you [TS]

  look at what you've done you like [TS]

  obviously there's no reason this would [TS]

  be clear to anybody and yes one of those [TS]

  things is when i said i was looking for [TS]

  freelance help i I've always been [TS]

  thinking that in in my absolute perfect [TS]

  perfect world I would love to find at [TS]

  least two people that I could work with [TS]

  right and it's precisely because since I [TS]

  know this is going to be at least from [TS]

  the start freelance work i would want to [TS]

  because the primary person that I might [TS]

  want to work with might not always be [TS]

  available and so I have had this [TS]

  experience with music where there are [TS]

  several people who i can have on tap to [TS]

  help with music but that's partly [TS]

  because each of them isn't always [TS]

  available precisely when I need them to [TS]

  be available so yeah it's it's not [TS]

  that there's just going to be over there [TS]

  is a single person i am going to be [TS]

  making a list of however many people i [TS]

  think that it is possible to work with [TS]

  and at least at the start to move move [TS]

  forward in that way now again I'm still [TS]

  I'm still a little worried because i am [TS]

  looking for a kind of perfect person [TS]

  that I i will not find what I'm looking [TS]

  for on this round one you know and that [TS]

  I will have to do around two or or a [TS]

  second approach for this so again this [TS]

  is my theoretically perfect scenario is [TS]

  that i would find two or more people [TS]

  that I could work with but I'm I don't [TS]

  like a betting odds on it i'm going to [TS]

  say there's the twenty-five percent [TS]

  chance that I get what I wanted in the [TS]

  first round I don't know we'll have to [TS]

  see i actually think that finding [TS]

  someone in the first round or two people [TS]

  in the first round the perfect is [TS]

  actually not the best thing that could [TS]

  happen i think the genuine i think the [TS]

  better thing is to find people that are [TS]

  kind of there and that you can help [TS]

  develop the office again let me let me [TS]

  try to clarify what i mean by perfect [TS]

  here because what I'm looking for is [TS]

  someone who has talent right someone who [TS]

  someone who's able to do this thing well [TS]

  and again thinking back to my experience [TS]

  of being a teacher it was interesting [TS]

  always to see that there were kids who I [TS]

  could immediately say like oh this kid [TS]

  is talented [TS]

  it doesn't mean that they're doing [TS]

  everything exactly right the first time [TS]

  around but it does mean that compared to [TS]

  the majority of their untalented peers [TS]

  like this would be the kid you would [TS]

  want to work on project x and so that [TS]

  that is my feeling in this this round of [TS]

  applications what is when I say perfect [TS]

  i really mean that there there's someone [TS]

  who they've done a competent enough job [TS]

  the first time around and but what I'm [TS]

  really looking for is this is difficult [TS]

  to define talent of of some sort and I [TS]

  think like one of the things i will be [TS]

  looking for when I'm watching the videos [TS]

  for example is [TS]

  because i haven't we can talk about this [TS]

  now because of course this episode of [TS]

  cortex is going to go up after in theory [TS]

  i actually look at things so I can kind [TS]

  of reveal the secrets here [TS]

  one of the things I'm going to be [TS]

  looking for is did the person do [TS]

  something interesting or unexpected with [TS]

  the way they chose to animate a [TS]

  particular section I think that kind of [TS]

  thing is is a marker of talent because i [TS]

  have in my mind okay if I had to animate [TS]

  this script I know roughly what I would [TS]

  put on the screen in each of these [TS]

  sections but what I would actually want [TS]

  to see is someone who did a little [TS]

  section differently than i would have [TS]

  done it and that either provokes like a [TS]

  like a smile or a laugh from me in this [TS]

  unexpected manner and it's very [TS]

  difficult to define and that's not [TS]

  something i'm going to write out in the [TS]

  job application because i think that [TS]

  people who are talented would just [TS]

  naturally do that but they wouldn't be [TS]

  able to do not do that so that's one of [TS]

  the things when i'm looking through this [TS]

  that i'm going to be kind of keeping an [TS]

  eye out for is was I surprised did you [TS]

  do this in an interesting and and [TS]

  unexpected way but that's not the same [TS]

  thing as literally expecting that [TS]

  somebody is going to create a video that [TS]

  looks exactly like I made it [TS]

  that's what you should should sort of be [TS]

  aiming for but that's not necessarily [TS]

  the thing that I'm explicitly and only [TS]

  looking for when I'm actually reviewing [TS]

  the videos i think of it like a tribute [TS]

  band [TS]

  ok like they do in the style of cgpgrey [TS]

  right but it as it some Flair in some [TS]

  way i think that that's the key [TS]

  yeah maybe I know nothing of your music [TS]

  analogies so i'm going to assume that [TS]

  that spot on the right but this is this [TS]

  is again this is one of these things [TS]

  where you realize like oh I when I was [TS]

  writing this out i was thinking oh [TS]

  there's two things that I'm looking for [TS]

  i'm looking for an animator and an [TS]

  illustrator but there's really three [TS]

  things that I'm looking for i'm looking [TS]

  for an animator an illustrator and [TS]

  someone who who has this undefinable [TS]

  little spark of talent [TS]

  and that's one of those you know when [TS]

  you see it kind of things and so we will [TS]

  know I guess the next time we record [TS]

  cortex because by then [TS]

  yep i'm looking at it on friday which as [TS]

  we are recording right now is tomorrow [TS]

  and I will be continuing to look at it [TS]

  as stuff comes in because that was not a [TS]

  finalized deadline but by the time we [TS]

  record the next cortex I think there [TS]

  will be some information about whether [TS]

  whether or not I'm going forward or [TS]

  whether I'm thinking about how to [TS]

  approach a round two of hiring well I [TS]

  will look forward to it [TS]

  I i wish i was future me right now and [TS]

  already knew what happened did you [TS]

  intend friday the 13th such a happy [TS]

  accident I was just a pleasant accident [TS]

  don't know why because it routes out [TS]

  pointlessly suspicious people friday the [TS]

  13th is unlucky i don't know if i wanna [TS]

  i already was over the conversation [TS]

  though done in fact I'm sorry next this [TS]

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  for as long as I've known you there has [TS]

  been something that I've been interested [TS]

  in asking you what is dvorak and why do [TS]

  you use it you know what dvorak is Mike [TS]

  I know what it is it's it's a weird way [TS]

  to arrange a keyboard but I want you to [TS]

  explain to for the people that don't [TS]

  know what it is and then say like what [TS]

  is it it's not a weird way to arrange a [TS]

  keyboard abnormal abnormal would be [TS]

  correct because of course the normal way [TS]

  to arrange keyboard is the so-called [TS]

  qwerty layout where quality is the word [TS]

  on the top left of your keyboard if you [TS]

  can look at a keyboard right now [TS]

  listener that's what you'll see [TS]

  Dvorak is named after a person I think I [TS]

  don't even know what dvorak is an [TS]

  alternate keyboard layout that i have [TS]

  used for a long time and the the primary [TS]

  selling feature of dvorak is that in a [TS]

  qwerty keyboard [TS]

  the letters are arranged in such a way I [TS]

  think so one of the things that's [TS]

  happening very often is like you're [TS]

  alternating hands now there's a whole is [TS]

  a whole lot of I think urban legends [TS]

  around the qwerty keyboard layout that [TS]

  every time I have attempted to [TS]

  investigate mostly seemed like just BS [TS]

  or just so stories that get repeated [TS]

  over and over again like I think the [TS]

  actual origin of this stuff is a bit [TS]

  lost in in time [TS]

  yeah that did the generally accepted [TS]

  reason for the quality of being as it is [TS]

  is it was created so it would stop [TS]

  typewriters from jamming up because in [TS]

  theory the letters would be far away [TS]

  from each other so they would like the [TS]

  little arms whatever the cold wouldn't [TS]

  be hitting each other that's like the [TS]

  generally accepted reason that's usually [TS]

  the thing that you you hear from people [TS]

  i remember looking into it a while ago [TS]

  and when I was thinking about doing a [TS]

  video on this and just not coming to a [TS]

  satisfactory resolution and get that [TS]

  that to me I don't know it it may be [TS]

  true it may not be true but there are [TS]

  some things that my brain always [TS]

  followed files away as suspiciously just [TS]

  so stories because if that is like true [TS]

  that they if like if they're close [TS]

  together they Jem up if your name is [TS]

  Terry you'd hate to use a typewriter [TS]

  I actually have typed on a mechanical [TS]

  typewriter like that and it is a real [TS]

  pain in the butt when when it jams very [TS]

  briefly spent some time in a teaching [TS]

  course where they actually use [TS]

  mechanical typewriters is like you've [TS]

  gotta be kidding me [TS]

  the oldc to be great I'm it mainly just [TS]

  ye olde the school equipment is what [TS]

  actually was [TS]

  oh I use the typewriter is a kid just [TS]

  for fun like there was one in my house [TS]

  it was an electric typewriter that thing [TS]

  granddad had and I used to write a [TS]

  little stories on it but it was before [TS]

  we had a computer like losses in i guess [TS]

  the very early nineties and we didn't [TS]

  have a computer at home so I used to you [TS]

  know as a kid instead of writing out my [TS]

  stories in like Microsoft Word or [TS]

  whatever which my younger brother did I [TS]

  wrote them on an electric typewriter who [TS]

  was fun but typewriter suck because if [TS]

  you make a mistake what you do a lot [TS]

  when you're like four years old you've [TS]

  ruined everything [TS]

  yeah you're you ruin everything xxxxx [TS]

  it's everywhere Yeah Yeah right or you [TS]

  be backspace over it with point out [TS]

  which never looks right like that paper [TS]

  that it slams down is typewriters [TS]

  terrible technology so yeah I I don't [TS]

  know if that's true or not [TS]

  and frankly like of no interest to me [TS]

  whether it's turning out like I don't [TS]

  really care [TS]

  this is also one of those things where [TS]

  it may just be a network effect where [TS]

  there was a keyboard layout it happened [TS]

  to gain a little bit of popularity and [TS]

  that popularity feeds on itself and it [TS]

  becomes a standardized thing and there's [TS]

  not actually any explanation for this [TS]

  right just like okay one of them was [TS]

  going to succeed and this happens to be [TS]

  the one that succeeded end of story [TS]

  there [TS]

  there isn't anything to say about it but [TS]

  the Dvorak keyboard is intentionally [TS]

  designed to minimize finger travel and [TS]

  perhaps one of the the best examples of [TS]

  this is if you think on a normal qwerty [TS]

  keyboard and you look where you put your [TS]

  hands on the home row assuming that you [TS]

  can touch-type probably not the most [TS]

  egregious thing on the qwerty keyboard [TS]

  is that underneath your right hand [TS]

  pinkie you have the colon and semicolon [TS]

  key which are probably not super [TS]

  frequently used whereas on the Dvorak [TS]

  keyboard that is the letter S underneath [TS]

  your right hand pinkie and underneath [TS]

  your left hand on the Dvorak keyboard [TS]

  are a whole bunch of vowels it's a 000 e [TS]

  you and I are right there on the home [TS]

  row for your left hand whereas on the [TS]

  court keyboard you have just a and then [TS]

  vowels are kind of spread all over the [TS]

  place so the fundamental idea is that [TS]

  when you are typing words with the [TS]

  Dvorak keyboard the amount that your [TS]

  hands need to move is less than with [TS]

  recording keyboard now get many people [TS]

  who promote dvorak they use all kinds of [TS]

  reasons they talk about how you can type [TS]

  faster on a Dvorak keyboard and I always [TS]

  feel like again this is not really [TS]

  relevant to me that the speed of my [TS]

  typing is not the limiting factor in my [TS]

  life that is not the reason I use a [TS]

  Dvorak keyboard i switched from 42 [TS]

  dvorak [TS]

  many many years ago now back when I was [TS]

  I believe a young sophomore in college [TS]

  here is as best i can remember the gist [TS]

  of what happened i was always as you can [TS]

  imagine quite a nerdy child I loved [TS]

  computers and it would spend all the [TS]

  free time that I could in high school on [TS]

  the computer that the family had in the [TS]

  house when I went off to college I was [TS]

  now free of all constraints right there [TS]

  were there were no parents telling me to [TS]

  get off a computer once you go to [TS]

  college [TS]

  the amount of time that you actually [TS]

  have to spend in classes is much much [TS]

  less which is fantastic and I was on the [TS]

  computer just all the time and then when [TS]

  you add on to this [TS]

  I also as people do in college [TS]

  experimented with linux on my computer [TS]

  and so I was using linux as my main [TS]

  system and I really got into the [TS]

  terminal and like typing all commands on [TS]

  on the computer and doing everything [TS]

  with a non graphical interface even at [TS]

  one point was running a system that just [TS]

  had no guey installed at all like it was [TS]

  everything was just command line i [TS]

  totally loved it i was using emacs and i [TS]

  just i was typing on the computer all of [TS]

  the time all of my free time and over [TS]

  the course of probably about a year and [TS]

  a half that just like recently happened [TS]

  with animation that caught up with me [TS]

  and I had a sudden very bad onset of [TS]

  pain in my hands [TS]

  that just put a screeching halt to my [TS]

  typing and I went to the school nurse [TS]

  and hit like your forearms are horrific [TS]

  lean flip inflamed have you been typing [TS]

  on a computer a lot and of course my [TS]

  answer was well does every single moment [TS]

  of my free time count as a lot like yeah [TS]

  and so of course I still wanted to type [TS]

  on a computer i wasn't going to stop [TS]

  typing on a computer and it just so [TS]

  happened it just lucked out that when I [TS]

  had this bout of real pain in my hands [TS]

  it came exactly at a semester break in [TS]

  university and i had about two or three [TS]

  weeks off from school what I decided to [TS]

  do [TS]

  was I took a break from typing on the [TS]

  computer at all for that those couple of [TS]

  weeks and try to relax get my hands back [TS]

  in in normal condition I remember [TS]

  spending would seem like an incredibly [TS]

  long time without a computer just [TS]

  reading books and watching TV and [TS]

  thinking like how mad i really wish i [TS]

  could be on the computer now but i can't [TS]

  after that after that break when I [TS]

  didn't need to type anything when i came [TS]

  back to school I decided I was going to [TS]

  switch keyboard layouts i was going to [TS]

  learn dvorak because i had read that for [TS]

  some people with RSI they find this [TS]

  beneficial and i thought well i have to [TS]

  try something because I'm certainly not [TS]

  going to type less so I need to try to [TS]

  fix this system wise and I switch to a [TS]

  dvorak layout and if anyone has ever [TS]

  tried to do this to try to learn a [TS]

  different keyboard layout the thing that [TS]

  you will experience is this feeling like [TS]

  your brain is broken when you try to [TS]

  type because when you are good at typing [TS]

  on the computer you feel like you're [TS]

  just expressing your thoughts right from [TS]

  your mind and you're feeding it into the [TS]

  computer and then when you switch [TS]

  layouts it's like you've had a stroke [TS]

  and you need to relearn how to walk you [TS]

  know if it's so frustrating you feel [TS]

  like I used to just do this thing [TS]

  without thinking and now suddenly I'm [TS]

  incapable of doing this and because the [TS]

  active typing is the act of thinking [TS]

  it's just this feedback loop of like my [TS]

  brain is broken it's it's very it's a [TS]

  very very frustrating thing to do it's [TS]

  very frustrating to switch that alone [TS]

  though especially for someone like you [TS]

  feels like a reason not to use the Borek [TS]

  right like that that switching because [TS]

  it's not available everywhere is [TS]

  actually not available on the iPad at [TS]

  all and software right unless you [TS]

  against or something external yeah i [TS]

  mean you're talking about like switching [TS]

  costs here is that what you mean by this [TS]

  question yeah because you're switching [TS]

  constantly well okay first of all I mean [TS]

  you're talking about a time long before [TS]

  iPads or even a glint in Steve Jobs eyes [TS]

  at this point i was working with my own [TS]

  person [TS]

  computers and essentially nothing else [TS]

  like I didn't have to use anybody else's [TS]

  computer and so switching over on my [TS]

  computer that i was using all the time [TS]

  was not a big deal i didn't i did not i [TS]

  was in an environment where I didn't [TS]

  have to move back and forth between [TS]

  quality and dvorak I could focus just on [TS]

  my one computer and and just relearning [TS]

  it there and doing everything they're [TS]

  right and and my tip my tip if anybody [TS]

  does want to switch the dvorak I don't [TS]

  know this is the best way to do it but [TS]

  at least is the way i did at the time [TS]

  because I was so frustrated with this [TS]

  feeling like I can't type and i also [TS]

  found trying to do [TS]

  typing programs again with super [TS]

  frustrating you know you can just run [TS]

  any typing program and you change over [TS]

  your keyboard and you like relearn how [TS]

  to type just like you learn to [TS]

  touch-type the first time I I hated that [TS]

  as well I felt god this is just so slow [TS]

  is taking forever I don't have time for [TS]

  this [TS]

  the trick that I found that worked [TS]

  beautifully was I printed out a dvorak [TS]

  layout on a on a piece of paper and I [TS]

  taped it to the top of my computer [TS]

  monitor and so what i did was i would [TS]

  look at that piece of paper when I [TS]

  wanted to type and then type on the [TS]

  keyboard that was in front of me and [TS]

  when I did that it took me only about [TS]

  two weeks to get back to basically where [TS]

  I was and it also allowed me to type [TS]

  very slowly but it allowed me to quote [TS]

  touch type on a Dvorak keyboard but just [TS]

  a really slow pace i found that that was [TS]

  the only way I was able to to switch i'm [TS]

  not sure if i had if i try to do it a [TS]

  different way I would have been able to [TS]

  stick with it [TS]

  do you prefer dvorak to quality what do [TS]

  you just switch back and forth third are [TS]

  the same reasons that you switch back [TS]

  and forth between my son trackpads and [TS]

  etc okay well I don't really switch back [TS]

  and forth between quality and dvorak [TS]

  because on all on all of my devices i [TS]

  have it set up to be a Dvorak keyboard [TS]

  so I like my laptop on my computer it's [TS]

  a Dvorak keyboard when I worked in in [TS]

  schools i was able to have [TS]

  the the computers there they were able [TS]

  to just switch over to dvorak keyboards [TS]

  which is by the way also an excellent [TS]

  great way to to stop having kids messing [TS]

  with your computer if you leave it for a [TS]

  few seconds of the keyboard is totally [TS]

  messed up from their perspective they [TS]

  can't type anything it's like it like a [TS]

  security feature i assume when you say [TS]

  that you're changing in software but the [TS]

  hardware keyboards to quality [TS]

  yeah like i am talking to you right now [TS]

  and i am recording I i'm recording on my [TS]

  laptop today and my laptop has a regular [TS]

  qwerty keyboard in it [TS]

  no just the regular 15 inch powerbook [TS]

  and you can't change the keyboard on [TS]

  there a book uh whatever your powerbook [TS]

  running OSX yeah exactly who cares about [TS]

  this doesn't matter anymore iPads at the [TS]

  future [TS]

  yeah i know that i can get on board that [TS]

  train [TS]

  not me i don't care whatever you with [TS]

  your iBooks or something I don't know [TS]

  whatever I see you can't change it in in [TS]

  hardware you can just change it in [TS]

  software and this this is where you have [TS]

  to know how to touch type so you'd if [TS]

  you're looking at the keyboard while you [TS]

  just you just a lock right you can't you [TS]

  can't move around the physical keys on [TS]

  on most modern computers so it is just [TS]

  changed in software so when I worked in [TS]

  school and I would log onto the computer [TS]

  their their windows computers were smart [TS]

  enough that one of the saved preferences [TS]

  for me as a user was to swap around the [TS]

  keyboard layout so that it was dvorak [TS]

  while i was typing but it didn't mean [TS]

  that if anybody else try to type my [TS]

  computer they could take nothing which [TS]

  is fantastic from my perspective I [TS]

  really enjoyed that so what do you do on [TS]

  iOS devices do you use qwerty keyboards [TS]

  and they're doing so like third-party [TS]

  keyboards [TS]

  ok so i guess this is this is the [TS]

  closest it comes to switching which is [TS]

  for the history of iOS you have had to [TS]

  use the inbuilt system keyboard and [TS]

  whatever was last year two years ago [TS]

  they did add custom keyboards but they [TS]

  did it in the most half-hearted way ever [TS]

  and so they just don't really work you [TS]

  can't really rely on them know there are [TS]

  some situations where i will happen to [TS]

  use them but it is extraordinarily rare [TS]

  like oh thanks thanks Apple thanks for [TS]

  that check box feature that just totally [TS]

  doesn't work at all third-party [TS]

  keyboards yeah we have them never want [TS]

  to use them but we have them but I [TS]

  actually never really found this a [TS]

  problem and even when i got an iphone it [TS]

  it didn't really cross my mind about [TS]

  that it was accordingly out versus a [TS]

  dvorak layout because when you're typing [TS]

  on your phone you're typing with your [TS]

  thumb and especially when I first got my [TS]

  iphone 4 which was the first iphone i [TS]

  had i was just typing with one thumb [TS]

  because the screen is so small and so my [TS]

  brain treated this as just a totally [TS]

  different method of input like this is [TS]

  unrelated to touch typing this is a [TS]

  completely separate skill and so [TS]

  learning how to type on an iphone was [TS]

  for me I think the same experience that [TS]

  many people had when they got their [TS]

  first iphone of oh ok this is a [TS]

  different way of typing I have to just [TS]

  learn how to type on this tiny screen [TS]

  and then as time has progressed this is [TS]

  one of the reasons why i use almost [TS]

  exclusively the split keyboard on my [TS]

  smaller iPads on the the not 12-inch [TS]

  iPads because i am really used to typing [TS]

  with my thumb's on an iOS device my [TS]

  brain just says this is the way to type [TS]

  on iOS there is no other way and there's [TS]

  no conflict here in my brain with dvorak [TS]

  for this it's just a totally totally [TS]

  different system however my big ipad pro [TS]

  has brought something interesting to [TS]

  light in my brain which is that my [TS]

  knowledge of how to touch type with [TS]

  qwerty is still there it it's still [TS]

  deeply buried in my brain in a way that [TS]

  is surprising to me because as we [TS]

  complained about when the ipad pro first [TS]

  came out there is no split keyboard on [TS]

  the ipad pro you can't do the thing [TS]

  where it goes into just some typing you [TS]

  have to type with a big full keyboard [TS]

  across the bottom and you can't change [TS]

  around the letters you have to type with [TS]

  a qwerty keyboard on there and they are [TS]

  very [TS]

  situations where for whatever reason I i [TS]

  do end up typing on the glass instead of [TS]

  flipping around the keyboard cover that [TS]

  I do always have attached so sometimes i [TS]

  type on the glass and what I have [TS]

  discovered is if I don't think about it [TS]

  i can totally touch-type quality but for [TS]

  about one sentence of length and after [TS]

  one sentence this thing happens when my [TS]

  brain goes hey you touch typing on a [TS]

  qwerty keyboard and grab for you start [TS]

  overthinking it [TS]

  yeah right like my brain just totally [TS]

  crashes and then for a moment i cannot [TS]

  type and what I have to do is going back [TS]

  to looking at the keyboard and and [TS]

  typing like how I used to when I was a [TS]

  little kid before I learned how to touch [TS]

  type which was like this funny thing [TS]

  that i did with three fingers instead of [TS]

  like a regular one but this happens [TS]

  everytime that if I don't think about it [TS]

  i can type for just a little bit but I [TS]

  will totally notice it and then it's [TS]

  just I can't I can't I just broke me [TS]

  doing this thing but as i find it really [TS]

  funny it's like this there's some part [TS]

  of my brain which never forgot how to do [TS]

  this and was just waiting in waiting [TS]

  dormant for apparently an ipad pro to [TS]

  come around where i had to type with a [TS]

  qwerty keyboard doesn't have one of [TS]

  those things that people say in which [TS]

  like if birds could comprehend the way [TS]

  that they fly they wouldn't be able to [TS]

  fly [TS]

  yeah you like that but with keyboards [TS]

  yeah if you can comprehend quote that [TS]

  you called type anymore [TS]

  yeah yeah it's it's just a funny thing [TS]

  and it makes me laugh every time and [TS]

  it's one of those moments where you just [TS]

  realize how strange brains are but this [TS]

  is this is just unexpected behavior one [TS]

  it is unexpected that after having not [TS]

  typed on a qwerty keyboard in [TS]

  like 13 to 15 years I can still do it [TS]

  but then if i realize i'm doing it now [TS]

  it doesn't work a crap out like how does [TS]

  this work brain how does this make any [TS]

  sense like how the answer is it doesn't [TS]

  make any sense because brains are weird [TS]

  that's the that's the answer i think i [TS]

  told you this but i never want to touch [TS]

  type [TS]

  oh yeah yeah so like I can do a bunch of [TS]

  typing without looking at the keyboard [TS]

  but i will make mistakes and most of the [TS]

  time i will just glanced down every now [TS]

  and then to make sure I'm where I need [TS]

  to be [TS]

  look I don't you know I don't have the [TS]

  placement idea you know like we supposed [TS]

  to put your hands to rest easy [TS]

  I don't know any of that I was never [TS]

  taught it i think i was coming into like [TS]

  the first generation school where they [TS]

  didn't teach typing hmm [TS]

  nobody like nobody i knows how to do [TS]

  this [TS]

  ok which is so weird because now it's [TS]

  more important [TS]

  ok do you mean that you were like the [TS]

  last generation to not be taught typing [TS]

  is that what you mean yeah I think so [TS]

  okay you know i'm not sure I know what [TS]

  that sentence the same but it sounds [TS]

  legit I am a generation who knew nothing [TS]

  but I think something typing yeah I find [TS]

  that surprising given the age difference [TS]

  between us since you are younger than me [TS]

  I would have assumed that someone your [TS]

  age would just learn touch typing is as [TS]

  part of going through school could [TS]

  because when I did it was an elective [TS]

  that my parents just signed me up for ya [TS]

  they decided that this is a skill you're [TS]

  going to learn you just you just signed [TS]

  up for the typing class and I definitely [TS]

  at the time rejected the idea that i [TS]

  need to go to typing class because i was [TS]

  very fast typing already with this three [TS]

  finger method that I that I use me like [TS]

  looking at the keyboard and just typing [TS]

  very fast and I don't need to learn how [TS]

  to touch type i can totally do this [TS]

  thing but I'm very I'm very glad that I [TS]

  did learn how to touch type against my [TS]

  will as a younger as a younger person [TS]

  yes the i start to the fast three finger [TS]

  method which i still use do you still do [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah like a bunch of a life every code [TS]

  is the same like a hunt and pecker [TS]

  oh really yep i think which is part of [TS]

  like it oh we're generation where it [TS]

  stopped and my understanding that did [TS]

  that you don't typing doesn't exist in [TS]

  schools now i don't know if we have many [TS]

  listeners who are [TS]

  in high school or secondary level but if [TS]

  you are in high school and you listen to [TS]

  the show I would be very curious if in [TS]

  the red you said if you like it do you [TS]

  do [TS]

  typing in schools or poor parents who [TS]

  have kids in school now like it is [TS]

  typing an official skill that that your [TS]

  kids learn like touch typing I be [TS]

  curious to know and or do you care [TS]

  yeah that's what I'm more interested [TS]

  about like to do you care if you know [TS]

  how to touch type one of the things that [TS]

  up i was quite struck by when I when I [TS]

  was teaching and towards the later years [TS]

  of of my my limited teaching career all [TS]

  of the kids had either iphones or ipod [TS]

  touches that they were using as proxy [TS]

  iphones you know they were just [TS]

  connected to the local school network [TS]

  and it was a way for parents to get in [TS]

  touch and all the rest of this and I [TS]

  noticed that tons of the kids could do [TS]

  this thing that I would not have [TS]

  believed was possible if I didn't see it [TS]

  which was typing on the screen without [TS]

  looking i can do that see this is this [TS]

  is younger person magic to me while but [TS]

  the thing is though it's not accurate [TS]

  you are helped by auto correct right [TS]

  because but it doesn't matter right here [TS]

  this is like of autocorrect is helping [TS]

  or not it's it doesn't make any [TS]

  difference to me is like a sure what [TS]

  anybody says slightly I know exactly [TS]

  what you're saying but like it is [TS]

  different to touch typing in that there [TS]

  is an assistant which is helping you [TS]

  with it but yeah it's still there still [TS]

  an element of knowing the area in which [TS]

  you have to hit your thumbs [TS]

  mm I tell you what I'm going to do I'm [TS]

  going to set up a Google Form oh yeah to [TS]

  try and find out this information [TS]

  because this is interesting to me now [TS]

  like do you know how to touch type do [TS]

  you care [TS]

  hmm you know what kind of what age [TS]

  bracket are you and can you type on [TS]

  screens about looking do you have any [TS]

  plans to learn so i'm going to set that [TS]

  up i put that in the show notes and when [TS]

  we can we can assess the results of that [TS]

  next time [TS]

  yeah i'll be i'll be very curious to see [TS]

  it but where was coming with us though [TS]

  is that so I saw the kids doing this and [TS]

  i still remember i was asking was this [TS]

  one girl like you are you typing without [TS]

  looking at the screen and she said yeah [TS]

  I can totally like no approved [TS]

  to me like come up here right now like I [TS]

  need to like and I was supposed to be [TS]

  doing physics but this is way more [TS]

  interesting to me and so she [TS]

  demonstrated like yes she could totally [TS]

  do it she could look at me and type a [TS]

  coherent sentence like that's magic I [TS]

  understand how you can do that only [TS]

  cgpgrey the teacher would discover a [TS]

  child in class texting then bring her to [TS]

  the front to find out something he's [TS]

  interested [TS]

  whatever torque can wait i was the loved [TS]

  you man was the load you but I went home [TS]

  to tell my wife this astounding piece of [TS]

  information to to me and discovered that [TS]

  she was surprised that i was surprised [TS]

  that people could do this because this [TS]

  is just what she did and she never even [TS]

  thought about it right just never even [TS]

  crossed your mind that this was a skill [TS]

  of any note whatsoever and as iOS has [TS]

  become increasingly important in my life [TS]

  I went through a long time of trying to [TS]

  learn how to type this way of very [TS]

  consciously like no I i will master this [TS]

  skill that children can do i will type [TS]

  and i will not look at the keyboard and [TS]

  i will look at what i am typing but I i [TS]

  just failed repeatedly i even went so [TS]

  far as I bought the program called like [TS]

  called tap typing I think that's a [TS]

  pretty good typing tutor on iOS and I [TS]

  blocked out a part of my schedule every [TS]

  day to do touch typing lessons with the [TS]

  thumb keyboard on the iphone and with a [TS]

  split keyboard on the ipad and I just [TS]

  could never ever get that skill it was [TS]

  just totally lost to me it was it was [TS]

  totally unavailable [TS]

  it's like trying to learn a language [TS]

  what as an older person for some reason [TS]

  my brain just was not able to pick that [TS]

  up so i just sent to you i just sent you [TS]

  and I message that I title about looking [TS]

  always that what you did [TS]

  uh-huh well aren't you aren't you clever [TS]

  very clever [TS]

  this is this is not nearly as much proof [TS]

  as [TS]

  the girl who did it in front of me in [TS]

  class like you just you just sent me a [TS]

  message this is proof of nothing [TS]

  all you need to do is give me the [TS]

  address of your office and I'll country [TS]

  know what can happen [TS]

  let's try let's try Mike we decide how [TS]

  is the office going he still have it [TS]

  this is an interesting point to ask me [TS]

  about this office because so this is my [TS]

  my writing monastery I've set up for [TS]

  myself that we talked about a few [TS]

  episodes ago through entirely my own [TS]

  fault and and dumb mistakes there was a [TS]

  period of a week where I was locked out [TS]

  of my own office because I thought that [TS]

  a bill had been automatically paid when [TS]

  it had not been paid and it took awhile [TS]

  to get this sorted out but I was locked [TS]

  out of my office for a week and I [TS]

  thought well okay i just have to work [TS]

  around this i'm going to try to do what [TS]

  I normally do and go to different places [TS]

  to work and just like I'll just I'll [TS]

  just get on with this and I know is that [TS]

  man my writing ability just plummeted [TS]

  that that this compared to having this [TS]

  regular routine the regular routine [TS]

  increase the amount that i write every [TS]

  day and then not having access to this [TS]

  area and trying to go back to do with [TS]

  the old way [TS]

  granted it's like disruptive but it was [TS]

  still really interesting to see like [TS]

  okay this unintentional experiment has [TS]

  has revealed to me that unambiguously [TS]

  this writing office is totally worth it [TS]

  like without a doubt 100-percent worth [TS]

  it [TS]

  so yeah it's um I am able to declare it [TS]

  a success at this point [TS]

  good now but it's a success because it's [TS]

  just me [TS]

  yeah just me nobody else no chairs for [TS]

  Mike you haven't tried out the other way [TS]

  of doing it like me and you it could be [TS]

  so much better [TS]

  I I mean that is true i have not tried [TS]

  out having a mic in my office but I i [TS]

  think the data suggest [TS]

  that that is probably not a a fruitful [TS]

  area of exploration well you should [TS]

  check my data cuz i have the opposite [TS]

  result em done i'm sure you do Mike I'm [TS]

  sure you do on this show we're always [TS]

  talking about side projects and ideas [TS]

  and things that we want to try and these [TS]

  days all of these things need your [TS]

  website and when you have a website you [TS]

  need a great two main name and finding [TS]

  that perfect domain is ridiculously easy [TS]

  with hover when all you're looking to do [TS]

  is get a great domain name for that [TS]

  website or email address you shouldn't [TS]

  be forced page after page of things that [TS]

  you want to opt out of because the [TS]

  companies trying to upsell you stuff [TS]

  that's why however only offers domain [TS]

  and email services so you are able to [TS]

  focus on finding that great domain name [TS]

  to get back to working on your great [TS]

  idea however also believes that you [TS]

  should have to pay for things that [TS]

  should already be included with your [TS]

  domain that's why they give you who is [TS]

  privacy for free with all of their [TS]

  supported domains to keep your [TS]

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  most people have realized that when you [TS]

  register a domain name all of your [TS]

  contact information including your [TS]

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  and it's all in the whois database [TS]

  however make sure that they keep your [TS]

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  purchase thank you so much harder for [TS]

  their support of this show and relay FM [TS]

  so you know the wheel that never stops [TS]

  turning that we can never get off of [TS]

  Mike what is the name of that wheel is [TS]

  the wheel of email is the wheel of email [TS]

  and email apps [TS]

  yeah that is where is the wheel has [TS]

  stopped today only section [TS]

  so i have been using a new email app for [TS]

  a while and i want to talk about it for [TS]

  two reasons one is that it's an email [TS]

  app that I have hardly ever seen [TS]

  recommended by anybody and 2i am totally [TS]

  loving it so I want to give it a little [TS]

  bit of cortex love right i would like to [TS]

  promote it and tell people about it so [TS]

  that if it sounds like it's for them [TS]

  they can go try it out because aside [TS]

  from the Apple Mail app I have never [TS]

  used an email app that i am just so [TS]

  immediately happy with and and really [TS]

  like and that email app is called uni [TS]

  box [TS]

  ok have you heard of uni box Mike I [TS]

  think someone has sent it to me like is [TS]

  the suggestion and I looked at the [TS]

  screenshots and decided don't want [TS]

  anything to do it so I don't think I'm [TS]

  interested to see what you say because [TS]

  the reason I don't like it is it kind of [TS]

  tries to me to look like it's making [TS]

  email look like I message and I don't [TS]

  want that [TS]

  ok making email look like I message is [TS]

  not necessarily a bad description but [TS]

  here here is the way i would sell uni [TS]

  box and I think there is some portion of [TS]

  our audience when they hear how this [TS]

  works [TS]

  they will think yes i did not know that [TS]

  I wanted this or I didn't know that I [TS]

  want this by just didn't know it was [TS]

  possible and here's the solution so you [TS]

  need boxes selling feature is that it [TS]

  groups all of the messages from a single [TS]

  person together [TS]

  oh listen to that listen to that intake [TS]

  of breath from Mike listen to that [TS]

  listen to that level in it I eat these [TS]

  moments for breakfast [TS]

  Mike doesn't like this for his email [TS]

  tell me why you don't like this Mike [TS]

  know that was a good intake of breath [TS]

  Oh was it yeah I can't read you I don't [TS]

  need you at all you're like a sphinx [TS]

  I'll enigma [TS]

  yeah exactly it's good as in this is [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  I've never really considered this before [TS]

  but I kind of like the sound of it [TS]

  ok so this came up because when i used [TS]

  to do email like so many things on my [TS]

  imac very often i found it was just [TS]

  helpful to sort by sender there's [TS]

  sometimes where you just want to find [TS]

  like oh i know i have a bunch of [TS]

  messages from one person let me just [TS]

  deal with them all together and I [TS]

  thought that was always useful like this [TS]

  was great but then on iOS there's [TS]

  nothing that really reproduces this this [TS]

  seems like it is not an option in very [TS]

  many email apps it's just isn't you [TS]

  can't tell mail dot apt to sort by [TS]

  sender you can't you can't do this it's [TS]

  not it's just not a thing that that is [TS]

  practical but what I really like is that [TS]

  that uni box it's not that they allow [TS]

  you to sort by sender it's that sort by [TS]

  sender is the only thing it does and [TS]

  they have built the entire app around [TS]

  this idea and it's like oh this is [TS]

  fantastic like this is this is really [TS]

  well done [TS]

  so here conceptually is why you might [TS]

  want to do this one of the things we [TS]

  talked about in the show is mode [TS]

  shifting right like what like what kind [TS]

  of work am i doing right now [TS]

  what kind of work am i doing later you [TS]

  know what what mental frame are you in [TS]

  when you're performing a particular task [TS]

  and it is helpful to consolidate mental [TS]

  frames into larger and larger chunks [TS]

  like this is just a more effective way [TS]

  to work [TS]

  and within email one of the things that [TS]

  is often so frustrating about email is [TS]

  that it is this slew of who-knows-what [TS]

  like okay here is a message from my [TS]

  parents here is a message from my lawyer [TS]

  here is a newsletter from someplace that [TS]

  I signed up to a long time ago [TS]

  here's an automated message from my bank [TS]

  right there's just these very very [TS]

  different levels of things like you [TS]

  never know what's coming through but [TS]

  when it's all grouped together by sender [TS]

  you can do [TS]

  it's like there's less mode shifting [TS]

  that can occur and so for me in [TS]

  particular one of the things that i love [TS]

  it i can open up uni box and when you [TS]

  say it makes it makes email look like I [TS]

  message it's because on the side of the [TS]

  screen it does look quite like iMessage [TS]

  it looks like there's a list of of [TS]

  people like you have an iMessage and at [TS]

  the top is the person who has contacted [TS]

  you the most recently and then as you go [TS]

  down the list it's less and less recent [TS]

  but the thing is if you click on the [TS]

  person at the top it will show you all [TS]

  of the messages from that person in one [TS]

  place and so I find it super helpful to [TS]

  say like okay my lawyer has sent me [TS]

  something but when i click on that I [TS]

  want to be able to see all of the [TS]

  messages from my lawyer that I have to [TS]

  deal with right now and then it's like [TS]

  okay i am in the mode of dealing with [TS]

  the kinds of questions this person is [TS]

  going to ask and I can just go okay [TS]

  reply reply reply in or for example of [TS]

  my assistant send me a bunch of stuff i [TS]

  click on her name and it's okay great [TS]

  here are the seven messages that she has [TS]

  sent me since the last time i looked at [TS]

  email and I can just [TS]

  boom-boom-boom-boom-boom go through all [TS]

  of these being in the mindset of i'm [TS]

  replying to her with answers to things [TS]

  about questions that she needs I was [TS]

  like we're just going to go through this [TS]

  and then what's great is I really love [TS]

  it for things like Amazon notifications [TS]

  Iraq amazon sends you messages about [TS]

  next [TS]

  that you bought or whatever here's where [TS]

  the building the app around the idea of [TS]

  sender is fantastic because there are [TS]

  little gestures that you can do where [TS]

  you can say something like just archive [TS]

  all of these messages from amazon just [TS]

  all of them at once and so what you're [TS]

  not doing is say answering a message [TS]

  from your lawyer and then seeing a [TS]

  receipt from amazon and then archiving [TS]

  that one message from amazon and then [TS]

  replying to a message from someone else [TS]

  and then again pops up amazon oh yes [TS]

  just archive this one to like no no you [TS]

  just deal with all of them at once and [TS]

  it is fantastic and i think it is it is [TS]

  a really really interestingly designed [TS]

  app and I have to say it's got to be one [TS]

  of the most effective ways to get [TS]

  through email especially with these [TS]

  little gestures where you can just deal [TS]

  with centers all at once i'm a huge huge [TS]

  fan of this [TS]

  alright so let's say that i've sent you [TS]

  an email Monday an email Wednesday in an [TS]

  email on Sunday and then you come to [TS]

  this on sunday and you deal with the [TS]

  sunday message what happens on monday [TS]

  and wednesday messages cuz if they're [TS]

  grouped together by sender isn't it like [TS]

  easy to just miss things because they're [TS]

  not in a thread [TS]

  ok there's a there's a weird little [TS]

  feature that it took me awhile to figure [TS]

  out like with what the hell do you want [TS]

  me to do application and then once I [TS]

  understood it was like oh ok fantastic [TS]

  so there's an iMessage list on the left [TS]

  hand side of the screen where like I [TS]

  said before you can do [TS]

  archive all of these messages you can [TS]

  swipe to the left and you can set [TS]

  whatever the gesture is like just send [TS]

  it all to archive right but if mike has [TS]

  sent me a bunch of messages on the [TS]

  screen where I'm looking you the the [TS]

  message that you sent me most recently [TS]

  let's say you sent me a message [TS]

  yesterday that's up at the top [TS]

  the app has this like hidden feature [TS]

  that was tricky to figure out but if i [TS]

  reply to your message i can then [TS]

  swype just on the subject of your [TS]

  message and perform whatever actions i [TS]

  want to from their kind of what i can do [TS]

  is swipe on the subject and I've set it [TS]

  up so like if I just swipe right it will [TS]

  archive the message i have just replied [TS]

  2 and then it immediately pulls up the [TS]

  next most recent message that you sent [TS]

  me so just collapse the threads together [TS]

  so like if we're talking about one thing [TS]

  and we've got five emails going back and [TS]

  forth does it keep those together in [TS]

  like one smaller windows you can still [TS]

  see that there's other stuff hiding in [TS]

  the background [TS]

  alright so now if we have if we have had [TS]

  a threaded messages when replying has [TS]

  the same subject line it keeps all of [TS]

  those together and it collapses it [TS]

  visually on screen and there's a little [TS]

  like a little arrow button on the bottom [TS]

  that you can click to expand the entire [TS]

  thread if you need to but you can see [TS]

  the most recent thing for the thread at [TS]

  the top and if you just start scrolling [TS]

  down you can work your way backwards [TS]

  through the thread so it keeps threaded [TS]

  conversations together and then you can [TS]

  perform these swipe gestures on a thread [TS]

  as a bunch if you want to [TS]

  does that make sense you're gonna make [TS]

  me do that thing now where I have to [TS]

  enter in five email account [TS]

  alright sounds interesting this isn't in [TS]

  a different take on email that intrigues [TS]

  me enough that i want to try it [TS]

  yeah what this reminds me of is when we [TS]

  had our conversation about email apps a [TS]

  while ago i mentioned i believe was male [TS]

  pilot to was one of these apps where I [TS]

  don't remember the details now but my [TS]

  feeling was they have designed this [TS]

  around doing email in a different way [TS]

  and if your mind is lined up with this [TS]

  way of dealing with email you're totally [TS]

  going to love this [TS]

  but that it wasn't for me but it was one [TS]

  of those after i could see like you're [TS]

  doing email differently and I think you [TS]

  need a box is made might not be that [TS]

  extreme but it's along those lines of [TS]

  you're thinking about this a little bit [TS]

  differently you're thinking about it in [TS]

  terms of senders and dealing with [TS]

  senders very quickly and having this [TS]

  customizable swiping gestures that are [TS]

  different for like the everything that [TS]

  this person has sent or just this [TS]

  current message and/or thread that [TS]

  you're dealing with but if you can get [TS]

  your mind wrapped around that it's I [TS]

  really really recommend it I have to say [TS]

  it's it's it's a very interesting take [TS]

  on it and it is it is very well done and [TS]

  yes I think that it is worth it for you [TS]

  to put in all of your email apps can [TS]

  also mention i have to mention they have [TS]

  one of the cleverest monetization things [TS]

  I have ever seen in terms of in-app [TS]

  purchases so the app itself is free to [TS]

  try you can use it but if you want to [TS]

  remove the signature that says sent with [TS]

  uni box genius then you have to buy the [TS]

  in-app purchase to remove that signature [TS]

  as a pro feature I pot that was so [TS]

  clever when I saw that I thought this is [TS]

  just it made me smile like that yes this [TS]

  is the exact perfect place for an in-app [TS]

  purchase to go [TS]

  that's if I want to use this thing for [TS]

  free I need to give you free promotion [TS]

  on every email that I send if I don't [TS]

  want to i can pay you money and this [TS]

  unlock this feature like that why i am [TS]

  that get that gets the cgpgrey award for [TS]

  cleverest in-app purchase of 2016 so far [TS]

  I thought it was just fantastic just not [TS]

  do anything wear it like a period alpha [TS]

  everywhere else [TS]

  no it does not okay right this is one of [TS]

  this is also a thing that i like it [TS]

  doesn't have crazy custom folders good [TS]

  it's not doing custom imap crap it's [TS]

  just straight-up you have on inbox and [TS]

  you have an archive and you have a spam [TS]

  folder and that's the only thing that [TS]

  cares about is not doing any custom [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  alright so I've just loaded up my relief [TS]

  my email address into univox who is [TS]

  doing something that I considered to be [TS]

  horrific [TS]

  ok what is it what is it doing every [TS]

  email sent in a long list so i'll have [TS]

  like everybody I don't want to see [TS]

  everybody I wanted to see what I haven't [TS]

  dealt with like that is uncomfortable to [TS]

  me [TS]

  ok listener would you just missed my [TS]

  credit i'm going to assume that might [TS]

  put in like a little little transition [TS]

  sound or something but would you just [TS]

  missed was a fascinating moment of Mike [TS]

  and I trying to debug some setting that [TS]

  I'd must have changed but I didn't [TS]

  remember that Mike didn't have when he [TS]

  set up his uni box email for the first [TS]

  time and so we've saved you listening to [TS]

  all of that horror and here is the [TS]

  setting that I changed which I didn't [TS]

  even remember that i did but in settings [TS]

  for uni box there's a thing that is [TS]

  called groups and they have some kind of [TS]

  magic uni box and I disabled their magic [TS]

  uni box exactly what that does [TS]

  I don't know i don't remember i must [TS]

  turn that off because I didn't like it [TS]

  and now mike is using this the way I [TS]

  want him to use this so if you dear [TS]

  listener load of beauty box and you're [TS]

  seeing emails from everybody in the [TS]

  whole world that you have ever contacted [TS]

  you want to turn off muni box and then [TS]

  you will just have messages from people [TS]

  who have contact [TS]

  who have contact [TS]

  did you that are also in your inbox okay [TS]

  Mike now that we're here how's it going [TS]

  this is really weird it is it is super [TS]

  weird it's so super weird that I don't [TS]

  know how when i first downloaded this I [TS]

  stuck with it at first because you can [TS]

  see there's a lot of very strange things [TS]

  right off the bat but i love it it is [TS]

  with that you stuck with this because it [TS]

  is strange and I'm surprised you had the [TS]

  tolerance for there's one thing that I [TS]

  don't like about it [TS]

  it seems that you can't swipe on the [TS]

  group of the person to market message as [TS]

  read or unread and I don't like that [TS]

  ok you have to go into the individual [TS]

  message to do that which is a really [TS]

  weird choice and I'm looking in this [TS]

  website things this is probably also [TS]

  going to come out by the way [TS]

  another example of a thing that was [TS]

  weird that I remember being my deepest [TS]

  frustration with it when i was trying to [TS]

  use it was in the settings there's a [TS]

  level that is called swipes and this is [TS]

  what I was talking about before with [TS]

  gestures where you can swipe to archive [TS]

  all of the message from a particular [TS]

  Center when you tap on the swipes option [TS]

  it gives you two sub-options one of [TS]

  which is contacts and one of which is [TS]

  messages and the this is what you have [TS]

  to understand to make this work and I [TS]

  was so confused with is that you can set [TS]

  different swipe gestures for the list of [TS]

  people that you see on the left-hand [TS]

  side that is what they're calling the [TS]

  contacts swipes and then you can set a [TS]

  separate list of gestures for swiping on [TS]

  the title the subject of a message that [TS]

  you are currently looking at and you can [TS]

  you can arrange those however you want [TS]

  and so the way i have it is so that i [TS]

  can just swipe on the name of a person [TS]

  on the left-hand side and say archive [TS]

  all of the messages from them but I've [TS]

  also set it up so that i can swipe on [TS]

  the subject of a message that i am [TS]

  looking at to immediately reply to that [TS]

  message but it's it's weird and it takes [TS]

  awhile to get set up and talking through [TS]

  mike for all of the stuff that you dear [TS]

  listener have been spared it's reminding [TS]

  me that like yes it took a while for me [TS]

  to figure out what this app wanted and [TS]

  now it seems so natural i totally forgot [TS]

  all of the painful playing around part [TS]

  with it and I've been trying to [TS]

  accelerate Mike past that [TS]

  so like one of the things I'm really [TS]

  struggling with is the choices that they [TS]

  make in the swipes lake on contacts you [TS]

  can choose to mark a message as read [TS]

  live asswipe but it won't let you market [TS]

  again as unread you have to do that on [TS]

  the message i do see that you cannot add [TS]

  a mark as unread message and then [TS]

  it's like why but like they have their [TS]

  in specific way of doing it is is what [TS]

  I'm getting from this is that this app [TS]

  just likes to do things in a strange and [TS]

  kind of weird way [TS]

  yeah and this is what i'm looking at and [TS]

  seeing that this is a different way of [TS]

  doing email to all of your email in this [TS]

  app now [TS]

  alright i have a funny workflow you have [TS]

  a fun who is going to try to avoid this [TS]

  but this since you have brought this up [TS]

  i guess i have to talk through this so [TS]

  the the what I always regard as the [TS]

  absolute killer feature of mail that is [TS]

  no way to get around it for me as is [TS]

  really two things it's VIPs and alerts [TS]

  from particular threads no other email [TS]

  app seems to have this and and if they [TS]

  have it doesn't work in the way that I [TS]

  needed to the ability to mark a contact [TS]

  as a VIP and have that person be pulled [TS]

  out as into a separate inbox from [TS]

  everybody else is invaluable to me so I [TS]

  have a ton of people marked as VIPs and [TS]

  it is also really valuable that if I [TS]

  changed their email in their contact [TS]

  hard like Apple just knows it's the same [TS]

  person they're still a VIP I really wish [TS]

  they would add VIP domains that I could [TS]

  say everybody who sent a message from [TS]

  this domain is a VIP but that's it [TS]

  that's a that's a small feature right [TS]

  the VIP thing is valuable [TS]

  I cannot possibly leave it so this is my [TS]

  current workflow when I am triaging my [TS]

  email [TS]

  step 1 I go to uni box and I look for my [TS]

  assistant [TS]

  I tap on her name and I can answer all [TS]

  of her messages because she is top of [TS]

  the triage priority list once i have [TS]

  cleared her messages then I go over to [TS]

  mail dot app and I start working my way [TS]

  through the VIPs because these are the [TS]

  people i have marked that I want them [TS]

  pulled above the masses of emails that I [TS]

  get largely from people that I don't [TS]

  know or just newsletters are all kinds [TS]

  of other stuff and so I do spend a lot [TS]

  of time in mail because VIP message is [TS]

  almost by definition require a lot of [TS]

  time and attention [TS]

  to reply to because they're important [TS]

  things to work through the VIPs and then [TS]

  this is where you need a box really [TS]

  shines because after I've gone through [TS]

  the VIPs and I switch back to uni box [TS]

  now a huge portion of the emails that [TS]

  are left over our automated messages of [TS]

  some kind like things that I need to see [TS]

  but I don't necessarily want to have [TS]

  mixed in with the regular messages when [TS]

  I'm going through them and so this [TS]

  second time of going to uni box is a [TS]

  very different mental framework it's [TS]

  like that will all i want to do is I [TS]

  want to clear an archive most of this [TS]

  stuff because the chance that i'm going [TS]

  to reply to almost any of these messages [TS]

  is very very low and anything that i am [TS]

  going to reply to there's a pretty good [TS]

  chance that what it is is that person [TS]

  should really be a VIP and in my system [TS]

  and so like when i get my messages from [TS]

  hover about there's a domain that's [TS]

  going to be renewing sometime soon [TS]

  it's great because I say like oh fer [TS]

  sent me a bunch of messages like i can [TS]

  click on it I can just quickly scroll [TS]

  through and see ya [TS]

  everything looked great with all of the [TS]

  various domains they're talking about [TS]

  archive these 10 messages done right and [TS]

  just move on to the next thing [TS]

  oh here's everything I bought from [TS]

  amazon like quick swipe through yet all [TS]

  looks great fine no problem archive done [TS]

  and so that is that is my flow its [TS]

  unique box to pull out my assistant then [TS]

  go to mail dot app clear VIPs then go to [TS]

  uni box and try to just get through the [TS]

  rest of it as soon as possible but you [TS]

  need boxes a fantastic tool for that [TS]

  fantastic you have given me two things [TS]

  today uh huh [TS]

  you have given me an app that I now need [TS]

  to play around with from and potentially [TS]

  waste some time in and you've also given [TS]

  me a lot of work to do in the Edit from [TS]

  me to you Mike it's a gift [TS]

  I hope you enjoy them today's episode is [TS]

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  and relay fam [TS]

  alright great let's do some ask cortex I [TS]

  don't forget if you want to send us any [TS]

  questions in for the show is very easy [TS]

  just tweet with the hashtag as cortex it [TS]

  goes into a lot of spreadsheet and then [TS]

  we pick them out whenever we want to [TS]

  talk about them on the show [TS]

  ok lioness wanted to know how much time [TS]

  is there between waking up and starting [TS]

  work for us [TS]

  I find this really interesting because [TS]

  i'm going to go first on this one haha [TS]

  immediately [TS]

  who so the first thing I do when I wake [TS]

  up in the morning is get my iphone and [TS]

  look at notification center and see [TS]

  what's happened then open slack than I [TS]

  open email and i begin the day I mean I [TS]

  get up [TS]

  I always have to remember that you do a [TS]

  fundamentally different job than me you [TS]

  do a job that totally makes sense but I [TS]

  know that that would be the fastest way [TS]

  to ruin my whole day would be doing that [TS]

  yep the differences between me nu the [TS]

  fundamental difference is you work on [TS]

  your own and I work of a people except I [TS]

  mostly work on my own [TS]

  maybe not so much in the future but for [TS]

  the time being that's gonna change let [TS]

  me tell you my friend that's gonna start [TS]

  to change for you soon for the time [TS]

  being I mostly work on my own so yeah [TS]

  it'sit's did that your job is knowing [TS]

  while you were sleeping in London [TS]

  did any of the people in in the wrong [TS]

  time zone messaged you about things that [TS]

  they they needed done [TS]

  yep think that that's what you need to [TS]

  do that is your work and so waking up [TS]

  check notifications makes sense do you [TS]

  do you even get out of bed for that or [TS]

  do you just reach over and grab the [TS]

  phone and look right at messages just [TS]

  reach over man [TS]

  wow ok I mean that's polluting the [TS]

  sanctity of the bedrooms which doing [TS]

  there well sure but what happens is i do [TS]

  this i see if there's anything urgent i [TS]

  respond to anything that I want to [TS]

  respond to and then i will take a break [TS]

  for a while retweet her I might watch a [TS]

  YouTube video or two like I would then I [TS]

  guess immediately the first thing that I [TS]

  do when I wake up but then there's a [TS]

  break over a time period however it [TS]

  might be like an hour or two before I [TS]

  then get on with like show prep for the [TS]

  day em right so like it I just basically [TS]

  I just want to know that nothing went [TS]

  crazy when i was sleeping right you are [TS]

  performing an emergency triage yeah is [TS]

  there anything that's an emergency if [TS]

  not then i can just get on with with my [TS]

  day like that's what you're doing [TS]

  because there will be a bunch of things [TS]

  that basically i wake up in the morning [TS]

  and then I add some stuff to only focus [TS]

  because they're things that I need to [TS]

  look at but if there's something crazy [TS]

  happened i do want to get on that soon [TS]

  as possible [TS]

  m okay all right yeah that works for you [TS]

  that works for you and you know how [TS]

  about looking at the literally in bed [TS]

  but you know well whatever whenever you [TS]

  want to do [TS]

  I'm very accepting of the way other [TS]

  people work now you know it's like [TS]

  finally like and subtract but I'm trying [TS]

  to I'm trying to you know I'm trying to [TS]

  be more relaxed about this kind of stuff [TS]

  you know this is like my personal arc my [TS]

  personal journey you have to be more [TS]

  chill about the way other people work [TS]

  and it's fine fine for them [TS]

  we're more where did you learn more [TS]

  chill because you keep saying this [TS]

  happen told you more chill do i keep [TS]

  saying this and we keep saying it to me [TS]

  at all right so how does it go for you [TS]

  wake up you kind of smell the roses a [TS]

  little bit you walk around with your [TS]

  tiny phone by the way why did this [TS]

  number come up if you don't buy a tiny [TS]

  fun and nothing about it i find out [TS]

  about listening to your other show you [TS]

  think of your tiny phone hasn't got any [TS]

  apps on it and then you just go and take [TS]

  your lovely run through the canals of [TS]

  Amsterdam or something [TS]

  no that's not that's not okay so that [TS]

  their this question is tying into a [TS]

  bigger thing about routines that I think [TS]

  we should we should revisit at some [TS]

  point but I i happen to know that at [TS]

  least right now it is a it is about 30 [TS]

  minutes maybe 45 minutes between the [TS]

  time when I wake up and I start to work [TS]

  i spent a bunch of time in no small part [TS]

  because of having this this writing [TS]

  office over the last many weeks [TS]

  rethinking what is my morning routine [TS]

  like what is my my normal schedule like [TS]

  and what I do and I've been very [TS]

  successful at doing is trying as much as [TS]

  possible to be prepared the night before [TS]

  for anything i need to to do in the day [TS]

  so that when I wake up I can just head [TS]

  right out the door and head straight to [TS]

  my writing monastery and get to work as [TS]

  immediately as possible and what I want [TS]

  to do is what I want to eliminate any [TS]

  possible roadblocks for that I'm just [TS]

  trying to like smooth landing into the [TS]

  writing office that's what i want and so [TS]

  the idea of waking up [TS]

  I'm gonna grab my backpack that has been [TS]

  prepared the day before you know i'm [TS]

  going to dress in clothes that I know [TS]

  are available like everything [TS]

  everything's already been set like [TS]

  there's an outfit there's a bag i can [TS]

  just put that stuff right on head right [TS]

  out the door walk to the office i have [TS]

  even eliminated I used to get food on on [TS]

  the way into the office but I've [TS]

  eliminated that step of the process and [TS]

  i just have I have like some tea [TS]

  that's in the office able to be prepared [TS]

  really easily so i can just head right [TS]

  in make the tea [TS]

  it's on the desk and just immediately [TS]

  start getting to work and that has been [TS]

  that has been very successful for me so [TS]

  I guess 30 minutes 45 minutes that's the [TS]

  answer that's really what they want to [TS]

  know yeah I'm not necessarily envious of [TS]

  that like it sounds nice but like I like [TS]

  my morning routine you know because it [TS]

  is the idea of like I checked those [TS]

  things immediately but then i take a [TS]

  nice break all have breakfast I'll go [TS]

  down and watch like a YouTube video ye [TS]

  breakfast you know and I get into my day [TS]

  that way and so you know that that works [TS]

  well for me I just up with the way that [TS]

  I work and this is going to change for [TS]

  you man I'm telling you like even six [TS]

  months time one of the first thing first [TS]

  things you need to do in the morning is [TS]

  to just make sure that everybody's okay [TS]

  now now it's never gonna happen to think [TS]

  that the mark this point dear listener [TS]

  now that's never gonna happen that can [TS]

  happen autumn space asked how do you [TS]

  calculate publicity in your magical [TS]

  spreadsheets when thinking about paid [TS]

  gigs like talks and keynotes and events [TS]

  and things like that since they're [TS]

  they're asking about spreadsheets I [TS]

  assume that they're not really asking [TS]

  you you don't have you don't have [TS]

  spreadsheet to track things do you know [TS]

  I was even just just just for linking [TS]

  purposes ever i was going to link to our [TS]

  episode on the e-myth revisited which [TS]

  you just recently put up on YouTube and [TS]

  was going to send that out in a tweet [TS]

  and I loaded up that I happened to hear [TS]

  that there was a section in there where [TS]

  we were discussing how you had it on [TS]

  your project list to make some [TS]

  spreadsheets so that you could evaluate [TS]

  what your hourly time per project was [TS]

  yep and you said all we're going to get [TS]

  to that soon i'm going to get to that [TS]

  soon but that what this is now a pro [TS]

  doing almost half a year ago and I never [TS]

  define soon I never define soon besides [TS]

  I want to like has there been [TS]

  has there been any motion on this no you [TS]

  know what actually I think needs to [TS]

  happen is that you just need to help me [TS]

  so look at whenever that will happen is [TS]

  when that will get done because I don't [TS]

  even know where to begin [TS]

  ok deal that that's total deal I i will [TS]

  i will help you with that Mike thank ya [TS]

  we will meet up at some point and we can [TS]

  talk about how how to do that in a [TS]

  practical way so I'll help I'll help you [TS]

  feel that [TS]

  thank you it's even think you worry [TS]

  about anymore [TS]

  well the thing is it's it's not a it's [TS]

  not something I ever really worried [TS]

  about the gap in my experience has [TS]

  always been that any notion of publicity [TS]

  is over-rated unless you are trying to [TS]

  achieve something very specific so it [TS]

  gives you are if you are let's say you [TS]

  have made a new app that is going to be [TS]

  a new platform you want all of the [TS]

  publicity in the world because what [TS]

  you're trying to do is attract an [TS]

  enormous number of users and as we [TS]

  mentioned before there are things like [TS]

  Network effects if you can get even just [TS]

  a little bit ahead it can matter a huge [TS]

  amount later on there are narrow [TS]

  sections of the world where publicity [TS]

  genuinely matters but even though i have [TS]

  i have found myself this reluctance [TS]

  public ish figure on the internet I just [TS]

  have never thought that this kind of [TS]

  publicity matters for the kind of career [TS]

  that I want to have and so my feeling [TS]

  has always been like well my very first [TS]

  video the UK video I was a nobody when I [TS]

  uploaded it and lots of people watched [TS]

  it because they liked it and it was good [TS]

  and it was shareable and so I don't [TS]

  think if I went out and took all of the [TS]

  gigs that people offer me for for [TS]

  publicity [TS]

  I don't think that would affect my [TS]

  youtube business hardly at all like I [TS]

  think people think there's a [TS]

  relationship between those two but the [TS]

  relationship is very small just like [TS]

  actually [TS]

  just like we we discussed before people [TS]

  overvalue followers on social media [TS]

  where they think like oh wow look at all [TS]

  those Twitter followers when that person [TS]

  tweets out a link so many people must [TS]

  click it now [TS]

  no they don't like it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

  have nearly as much of an effect as [TS]

  people think it does and i imagine [TS]

  publicity for me would be the same kind [TS]

  of thing like would have would have some [TS]

  effect would have a nonzero effect [TS]

  yes but is it worth my time pursuing [TS]

  publicity which I don't want for me [TS]

  personally anyway [TS]

  would the time spent pursuing that or [TS]

  working on any publicity gigs on a [TS]

  spreadsheet payoff in terms of greater [TS]

  numbers of subscribers or larger numbers [TS]

  of use [TS]

  I really don't think so and I have some [TS]

  anecdotal data from let's say people I [TS]

  know who have done extremely [TS]

  high-profile publicity things and it get [TS]

  affects the youtube channel [TS]

  none like it you would never know it [TS]

  doesn't seem to make any real difference [TS]

  I don't have anything that factors in [TS]

  publicity [TS]

  I think it's overvalued what I do have [TS]

  is is what I just discussed before is [TS]

  that I have a a crystal clear idea of [TS]

  what my time is worth on various [TS]

  projects and so when anybody comes to me [TS]

  with the idea like oh we would like you [TS]

  to work on this but this project or like [TS]

  here's a here's a talk that you could [TS]

  give somewhere here's the thing you [TS]

  could do i'm evaluating it in purely in [TS]

  terms of how much would my time be worth [TS]

  like what is the opportunity cost of [TS]

  going to this event and are they [TS]

  covering more than the opportunity cost [TS]

  of of working on another YouTube video [TS]

  and so I don't do a lot of public events [TS]

  because the amounts offered usually [TS]

  don't cover the opportunity cost that is [TS]

  it's almost always better to spend my [TS]

  time working on a video that people will [TS]

  like then it is to spend my time we are [TS]

  preparing for a talk at a public event [TS]

  anything published related for me the [TS]

  the main kind of barometers do wonder [TS]

  this is something I want to do ya [TS]

  conference talk right it's not actually [TS]

  gonna make a massive difference to my [TS]

  bottom line but do I want to do this [TS]

  like I've turned down same as you have [TS]

  I've turned down paid speaking gigs [TS]

  because the ages it didn't excite me [TS]

  enough time and wasn't worth the amount [TS]

  of time it would take but I also accept [TS]

  them and I like to do them when a bunch [TS]

  of things are line for me [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah to be clear there is a [TS]

  difference for things that are fun or [TS]

  interesting or have some kind of other [TS]

  opportunity but that's that is very [TS]

  different from a just straight up [TS]

  publicity kind of move ya like that I i [TS]

  am with you on that like there are [TS]

  events that i have gone to there are [TS]

  events that i will go to that I am doing [TS]

  not because like I am desirous of [TS]

  publicity but because it is an [TS]

  interesting event to go and like I [TS]

  personally want to go right or there are [TS]

  interesting people there or it could [TS]

  just be a fun thing to do but that's a [TS]

  that's a very different kind of [TS]

  calculation than that like a publicity [TS]

  calculation [TS]

  yeah i like and i think that's important [TS]

  with these types of things along the [TS]

  stickers if you there are always going [TS]

  to be things that you will want to just [TS]

  attend because it's gonna be fun and [TS]

  moving there's a lot of my feelings with [TS]

  stuff like that as long as I'm not [TS]

  losing money as long as there's a way [TS]

  for me to like make the money back or [TS]

  make it work financially then i'm going [TS]

  to go for it you know who and by he just [TS]

  what is your protein bar of choice who [TS]

  asking the hard-hitting questions [TS]

  protein bar of choice within within [TS]

  arm's reach I can lean back in my chair [TS]

  back in my chair I can grab several [TS]

  boxes of protein bars in fact within [TS]

  arm's reach I have something like 60 [TS]

  protein bars in little boxes so it's [TS]

  more than unique you need that about a [TS]

  one-time ok no but it's only because [TS]

  these are within within hands reach that [TS]

  happen to be on the on the counter in my [TS]

  kitchen [TS]

  there is one cabinets which is filled [TS]

  entirely with protein bars [TS]

  I don't know there's gonna be like a [TS]

  hundred hundred fifty protein bars in [TS]

  there I don't know how long do these [TS]

  things lost they last forever [TS]

  ok and still you don't need that many at [TS]

  one time [TS]

  well here's the thing West is the brand [TS]

  that I like and they make a ton of [TS]

  different flavors and there happens to [TS]

  be a little bit of an oversupply right [TS]

  now because they've changed a bunch of [TS]

  the recipes and I am trying out a bunch [TS]

  of the different flavors and i am also [TS]

  i'm also getting ready for some summer [TS]

  travels I have a lot of summer traveling [TS]

  ahead of me a bunch of family stuff that [TS]

  i'm going to go to some occult xmas the [TS]

  summer court xmas where we will not be [TS]

  recording the show because yes cortex [TS]

  mrs. the holiday that comes four times a [TS]

  year twice and Amelia coming up this [TS]

  summer and whenever I go travelling I [TS]

  want to make sure that I have enough [TS]

  protein bars to cover the length of my [TS]

  travel so i can get by with two protein [TS]

  bars in a day if I have to if there are [TS]

  no acceptable food options or if I just [TS]

  don't want to eat like a regular meal so [TS]

  for example when a couple years ago now [TS]

  i did that random acts of intelligence [TS]

  showdown in Alabama a big part of my [TS]

  suitcase was loaded up with protein bars [TS]

  because I wanted to be able to have a [TS]

  meal covered for every meal for the [TS]

  duration of the week or so that I was [TS]

  down there I had this suitcase filled [TS]

  with various protein bars so that I [TS]

  would always know there was food [TS]

  available [TS]

  why would you consider to have one for [TS]

  every meal available because i like to [TS]

  plan for the worst case scenario [TS]

  who knows what the food situation is [TS]

  going to be like not me you never know [TS]

  that that's over planning I feel like [TS]

  that is is over [TS]

  eda yeah well here's the thing turns out [TS]

  in Alabama everything is delicious [TS]

  absolutely everything is fantastically [TS]

  delicious in Alabama and I wanted to eat [TS]

  six meals a day in Alabama of everything [TS]

  it [TS]

  mmm yummy breakfast food i'm gonna have [TS]

  breakfast i'm gonna have second [TS]

  breakfast is going to be elevenses then [TS]

  you roll around like a lunchtime this is [TS]

  fantastic too so I i did not did not [TS]

  need all the protein bars that were [TS]

  there but because i am often traveling [TS]

  on standby trips for example I don't [TS]

  always know precisely when my leaving [TS]

  date is going to be this is part of the [TS]

  reason why I really like to over pack [TS]

  and it totally worked out for my last [TS]

  trip to amsterdam when I overpacked [TS]

  protein bars but i ended up staying much [TS]

  longer and really one of the prime [TS]

  reasons that i left amsterdam when i did [TS]

  was i was finally out of protein bars [TS]

  for lunch was like oh ok well i guess i [TS]

  have to go now I'm not gonna find a [TS]

  substitute lunch like this is just what [TS]

  i'm going to eat so so I left but yes [TS]

  quest protein bars I i highly recommend [TS]

  them and they are perhaps the only [TS]

  protein bar that I have ever eaten that [TS]

  is genuinely a replacement meal like [TS]

  I've come across a lot of these protein [TS]

  bars like oh you can eat one of these [TS]

  and you will be hungry again lies total [TS]

  lies but these these really work like a [TS]

  lot however made you try one Mike I [TS]

  can't remember we had a conversation on [TS]

  the phone after an episode of cortex I [TS]

  think it was the episode where I was [TS]

  dying [TS]

  uh-huh remember and I I the bagel and I [TS]

  really loopy don't really know what's [TS]

  going with sound familiar [TS]

  all that happened and then we were [TS]

  talking about quest protein bars we were [TS]

  talking about the fact that different [TS]

  people like different flavors and some [TS]

  people might want to think it's great [TS]

  and somebody else will think it's [TS]

  disgusting and then you said you would [TS]

  bring me some to try and you never did [TS]

  no okay must've just forgotten about it [TS]

  but yes that is definitely in my case [TS]

  with the quest bars is if you can get [TS]

  your hands on a variety pack [TS]

  you should try the variety pack because [TS]

  my universal experiences that people [TS]

  have really strong reactions to the [TS]

  various flavors that they either like [TS]

  them or they think they are like poison [TS]

  and so if you try one and you think this [TS]

  quest protein bar it tastes like poison [TS]

  you need to just try a different one [TS]

  it's something about the way their made [TS]

  people have [TS]

  these these very very strong reactions [TS]

  to them but i guess that did I promise [TS]

  you that thing it doesn't sound like a [TS]

  thing I promise you did he said the next [TS]

  time we may I will bring a selection of [TS]

  them so you can try them and I said okay [TS]

  I'll look forward to it and that Dana [TS]

  became okay well the next time we meet I [TS]

  will bring a selection of them so you [TS]

  can try them i have not literally no [TS]

  faith in you [TS]

  I I don't see why you wouldn't [TS]