Cortex 30: Cortexaversary


00:00:00   Mike Mike listen it's going at the end [TS]

00:00:03   cut it now put it at the end we'll do it [TS]

00:00:06   later [TS]

00:00:07   do you do that a lot you talk to [TS]

00:00:08   yourself a lot like that the show not [TS]

00:00:10   always been just in case some coloring [TS]

00:00:12   yeah let's see that could be the bumper [TS]

00:00:13   now where you were just talking to [TS]

00:00:15   yourself giving yourself instructions [TS]

00:00:16   that's not gonna happen that could be [TS]

00:00:18   the beginning of the show why not why [TS]

00:00:19   don't you put it there [TS]

00:00:20   haha my future Mike you need to put this [TS]

00:00:24   at the start of the show we did you ever [TS]

00:00:28   think this day would come [TS]

00:00:29   what day is this is how cortex accessory [TS]

00:00:32   though happy cortex Anniversary Mike [TS]

00:00:35   every context refers treating you to a [TS]

00:00:37   great everyone doing this for a year a [TS]

00:00:39   year a whole year do you remember you're [TS]

00:00:41   very strong commitment for ten yeah yeah [TS]

00:00:45   sort of [TS]

00:00:46   yeah those days those days are long gone [TS]

00:00:48   now my friend [TS]

00:00:49   so what is this is episode 30 30 [TS]

00:00:53   yeah this is where are very peculiar [TS]

00:00:56   schedule is always going to ruin the [TS]

00:00:58   numbering William right but you know we [TS]

00:01:00   did the first hand on a weekly basis [TS]

00:01:02   right yeah yeah now i won't forget that [TS]

00:01:05   I don't forget that anytime soon [TS]

00:01:07   yeah that was horrific whose idea was [TS]

00:01:09   that it was my idea it was your idea i [TS]

00:01:12   had to be put for the fire to understand [TS]

00:01:15   right like I went through a horrible [TS]

00:01:16   scenario i now know the way to do this [TS]

00:01:18   show is not every week is not every week [TS]

00:01:21   now but yeah we made it we made it and i [TS]

00:01:24   look forward to our next context of [TS]

00:01:26   bursaries that's optimistic [TS]

00:01:27   well I like like to live that way like [TS]

00:01:31   in all seriousness it's great i wasn't [TS]

00:01:33   sure if we would get this far as always [TS]

00:01:37   with podcasts I just assumed that the [TS]

00:01:39   end of all things to discuss is right [TS]

00:01:42   around the corner every episode feels [TS]

00:01:44   like oh this is probably going to be the [TS]

00:01:45   last episode of any podcast ever do like [TS]

00:01:47   what else can there possibly be to talk [TS]

00:01:49   about but there's always more stuff to [TS]

00:01:50   talk about and yeah i think this is gone [TS]

00:01:53   is gone pretty well I'm pretty well [TS]

00:01:55   happy cortex versuri to everyone i did [TS]

00:01:58   not get you flowers [TS]

00:01:59   No [TS]

00:02:01   don't open that possible just so we have [TS]

00:02:07   a much larger response to our [TS]

00:02:08   touch-typing survey than i expected we [TS]

00:02:11   would I haven't looked at any of this [TS]

00:02:13   because I want to wait for the show kind [TS]

00:02:16   of curious to see what you would put [TS]

00:02:18   together you did give me a little [TS]

00:02:20   preview [TS]

00:02:21   yes some of the data and whenever that [TS]

00:02:25   was 24 hours after the show went up [TS]

00:02:27   there were already would seem like a [TS]

00:02:29   huge number of replies so lots of people [TS]

00:02:32   it seems like wanted to share their [TS]

00:02:35   information about when they learned or [TS]

00:02:38   did not learn to touch-type what is the [TS]

00:02:40   final number of people who filled out [TS]

00:02:42   the survey Mike 3944 people have given [TS]

00:02:47   their submissions for the cortex [TS]

00:02:49   touch-typing questionnaire which is the [TS]

00:02:52   water it's a lot it's a lot and the [TS]

00:02:54   reddit thread was ablaze and which ended [TS]

00:02:58   up not being very useful like [TS]

00:03:00   statistically because you cannot do [TS]

00:03:02   anything with all of that right all you [TS]

00:03:04   do is you just see the comments so i was [TS]

00:03:06   really pleased that we have the [TS]

00:03:07   questionnaire because we could actually [TS]

00:03:09   get data which could kind of try and [TS]

00:03:12   give us some answers so what I did was I [TS]

00:03:16   took 2,000 responses and put them into a [TS]

00:03:19   second sheet that i made public to the [TS]

00:03:21   world so people could take that data and [TS]

00:03:24   try and help us understand a little bit [TS]

00:03:27   better because the form on its own [TS]

00:03:29   didn't give me some of the answers that [TS]

00:03:31   I wanted so one that once we started [TS]

00:03:33   getting this data i was like maybe [TS]

00:03:34   interesting if we could break some of it [TS]

00:03:36   down by age right because we had the age [TS]

00:03:39   question in there but i was wondering [TS]

00:03:41   would it be different for older or [TS]

00:03:43   younger people as to how they are such [TS]

00:03:45   as to whether they were taught to touch [TS]

00:03:46   type that kind of thing we got some [TS]

00:03:49   fantastic responses and people doing [TS]

00:03:51   really interesting things with that data [TS]

00:03:53   which are going to put in the show notes [TS]

00:03:54   so you can continue to play around it if [TS]

00:03:57   you want to and take a look for yourself [TS]

00:03:58   but i think the overall points that I [TS]

00:04:01   took away from this is that it seems to [TS]

00:04:04   indicate from our data are completely [TS]

00:04:07   scientific data that the older you are [TS]

00:04:10   the more likely you are to know [TS]

00:04:13   how to touch type and also you're more [TS]

00:04:16   likely to have been taught school glue [TS]

00:04:18   and it also appears that the younger you [TS]

00:04:21   are the more likely you are able to [TS]

00:04:23   touch type on the touchscreen who that [TS]

00:04:25   was i guess everyone's hypothesis right [TS]

00:04:28   yeah but you never know actually never [TS]

00:04:30   not data and there is a much higher [TS]

00:04:33   amount of people in the younger age [TS]

00:04:35   brackets that could touch type or at [TS]

00:04:37   least self-identified as touch-typing [TS]

00:04:40   think that's one part that you know I [TS]

00:04:42   learned a few things in this like if i [TS]

00:04:45   would have thought we would have had the [TS]

00:04:47   size of responses that we did maybe a [TS]

00:04:49   lot of ask some questions differently [TS]

00:04:50   added in some other questions like you [TS]

00:04:53   know what is touch thing to you think [TS]

00:04:55   some people don't look at the keyboard [TS]

00:04:57   but that isn't what i think of as typing [TS]

00:05:00   I think of like that whole method that [TS]

00:05:02   you learn in typing classes i disagree [TS]

00:05:04   with you there [TS]

00:05:04   I totally disagree with you if you can [TS]

00:05:06   type on the keyboard without looking [TS]

00:05:09   that is touch typing as far as I'm [TS]

00:05:11   concerned [TS]

00:05:11   yeah okay now we are I get what you mean [TS]

00:05:13   like I'm just thinking like as a way to [TS]

00:05:15   understand if someone was taught it or [TS]

00:05:18   if they were self-taught I think because [TS]

00:05:21   when I think of like touch typing like [TS]

00:05:23   capitalized I think of like what how you [TS]

00:05:26   are tall in a typing class right as [TS]

00:05:28   opposed to like I cannot look a keyboard [TS]

00:05:30   and type III think they're above [TS]

00:05:32   completely valid I think they come from [TS]

00:05:34   different areas and now i'm interested [TS]

00:05:36   in learning of the people that know did [TS]

00:05:39   they teach themselves you know that kind [TS]

00:05:41   of thing though we have some of that [TS]

00:05:43   like the are you learning and did you [TS]

00:05:45   learn to touch type in schools that is [TS]

00:05:47   still more dated i can dig into it but [TS]

00:05:49   overall it was a very useful exercise [TS]

00:05:52   and we all learned something [TS]

00:05:54   yeah like I'm looking at some of the [TS]

00:05:56   charts that friend of the show [TS]

00:05:59   underscore david smith made and so for [TS]

00:06:03   example on the question did does your [TS]

00:06:06   school offer touch typing lessons that [TS]

00:06:09   peaks for people in the age range of 51 [TS]

00:06:12   260 at almost eighty percent right there [TS]

00:06:15   they're saying like yes touch-typing was [TS]

00:06:17   a thing that their school offers and [TS]

00:06:20   then you get down to essentially zero [TS]

00:06:22   221 that age bracket is about [TS]

00:06:26   looks like about forty five percent on [TS]

00:06:28   the chart yeah the slope follows upward [TS]

00:06:31   in that direction so the older you are [TS]

00:06:32   the more likely it is that you learn to [TS]

00:06:33   touch-type school but the one that I [TS]

00:06:35   really like is the question about can [TS]

00:06:38   you touch type on the glass without [TS]

00:06:42   looking [TS]

00:06:43   yep and that peaks for the 17 to 21 year [TS]

00:06:47   old demographic is essentially [TS]

00:06:49   60-percent can type on a glass screen [TS]

00:06:52   without looking which is a higher [TS]

00:06:54   percentage than I would have expected [TS]

00:06:55   his way higher than I would have guessed [TS]

00:06:57   slightly younger is slightly less which [TS]

00:07:00   is a little bit surprising but I can [TS]

00:07:02   kind of see maybe why in retrospect my [TS]

00:07:06   thinking would be the people in the 0 2 [TS]

00:07:08   16 bracket have had less experienced [TS]

00:07:12   yeah that was my thought [TS]

00:07:14   afterward as well it's it's a [TS]

00:07:15   combination of less experienced and [TS]

00:07:17   probably less need to do a lot of typing [TS]

00:07:20   yeah but it's still shockingly high at [TS]

00:07:22   fifty-five percent but what love is when [TS]

00:07:24   you get to the 60-plus percent the [TS]

00:07:27   number who can touch-type on a glass [TS]

00:07:29   screen without looking drops to exactly [TS]

00:07:32   zero percent okay yeah that's it's not [TS]

00:07:38   zero rounded off its exactly zero [TS]

00:07:41   percent of people 60 or older so that [TS]

00:07:44   they could type on glass without looking [TS]

00:07:46   and the 51 260 demographic is at just [TS]

00:07:51   barely six percent something that i also [TS]

00:07:55   picked up from looking in the red is it [TS]

00:07:57   seems like typing classes do still exist [TS]

00:08:01   but mainly in America who just from [TS]

00:08:04   looking at people's comments [TS]

00:08:06   it seems that not a lot of people in the [TS]

00:08:08   UK if any are in Europe thought touch [TS]

00:08:11   type but it seems like there are still [TS]

00:08:12   parts of America where it's part of the [TS]

00:08:14   curriculum because it wasn't like [TS]

00:08:16   presenting for everyone who had a lot of [TS]

00:08:18   people saying to me like what your [TS]

00:08:19   schools don't teach it so i will infer [TS]

00:08:21   from that no they do not and that yours [TS]

00:08:24   must do and you are in America so maybe [TS]

00:08:26   there's still some of that going on [TS]

00:08:28   yeah I i think this is interesting i'm [TS]

00:08:31   really glad that you took the time to [TS]

00:08:33   put the survey together because yes as [TS]

00:08:35   you said a a large large number of [TS]

00:08:37   anecdotal answers and read it is [TS]

00:08:39   interesting to read through [TS]

00:08:40   but it's hard to hold out more specific [TS]

00:08:43   trends [TS]

00:08:43   yep so this was this was great to have [TS]

00:08:45   the data and the links will be in the [TS]

00:08:48   show notes for people who want to play [TS]

00:08:50   around with it and visualize it further [TS]

00:08:53   than we have done so far today I think [TS]

00:08:55   the only downside from doing this is [TS]

00:08:57   that now i am survey hungry [TS]

00:09:00   what do you mean now I want to do [TS]

00:09:03   surveys for everything so I'm going to [TS]

00:09:06   have to just try and resist myself from [TS]

00:09:10   doing that [TS]

00:09:10   like now I want to know everything about [TS]

00:09:11   how people manage email but I won't do [TS]

00:09:14   it every episode of cortex comes with a [TS]

00:09:17   appropriate survey now I want to a great [TS]

00:09:20   i want to but i want i think if you want [TS]

00:09:24   to put in the time to to construct a [TS]

00:09:27   well-done survey than that I think you [TS]

00:09:29   can go surfing crazy there's nothing [TS]

00:09:30   wrong with that [TS]

00:09:31   I feel it should be tactically deployed [TS]

00:09:33   ok good otherwise we'll have a survey [TS]

00:09:35   fatigue back ok alright i can get anger [TS]

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00:09:58   you can store any piece of information [TS]

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00:10:03   shortcut that you create for example I [TS]

00:10:06   type the names of the shows on relay [TS]

00:10:07   affair very frequently so I have [TS]

00:10:09   snippets set up for all of them for [TS]

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00:10:27   customize common responses something [TS]

00:10:29   else i do very frequently when I email [TS]

00:10:30   to our sponsors and let them know about [TS]

00:10:32   their ads being placed on the episode i [TS]

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00:10:36   activate it lets you put in the name to [TS]

00:10:38   show the information and also allows me [TS]

00:10:40   to personalize it a little bit as well [TS]

00:10:42   but it keeps the same kind of form and [TS]

00:10:44   format that I'm used to so I'm able to [TS]

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00:11:44   you so much to smile for their support [TS]

00:11:46   of this show so it's time to check in on [TS]

00:11:49   the hiring project [TS]

00:11:51   yes how's it going I assume that now [TS]

00:11:55   based on our last conversation you have [TS]

00:11:58   taken a look at the submissions [TS]

00:12:01   yes yes I feel like between last time we [TS]

00:12:08   spoke and today we are recording it has [TS]

00:12:13   been an unusually ridiculously busy time [TS]

00:12:17   for me so I have less progress to report [TS]

00:12:20   and i might otherwise want but i have i [TS]

00:12:25   have definitely move forward on this i [TS]

00:12:26   have looked at all of the applications [TS]

00:12:28   and I've gone through a little bit of a [TS]

00:12:31   process trying to whittle them down and [TS]

00:12:35   select people to work with in the future [TS]

00:12:37   how many submissions did you get all [TS]

00:12:41   right what would you guess resolution [TS]

00:12:43   this is a more fun game [TS]

00:12:45   take a guess what do you think 176 wow [TS]

00:12:51   look at you very precise guess there [TS]

00:12:54   because what if I'm right the best thing [TS]

00:12:56   ever right yeah that's exactly return [TS]

00:12:59   not return on this this roll of the dice [TS]

00:13:01   here [TS]

00:13:02   you look like a psychic expect correct [TS]

00:13:04   and you're almost certainly wrong anyway [TS]

00:13:07   so there's no there's no downside to [TS]

00:13:09   guessing exactly so here are the numbers [TS]

00:13:11   at the time that we are recording the [TS]

00:13:16   video has about 40,000 views so we can [TS]

00:13:19   assume that 40,000 people in someway [TS]

00:13:22   were exposed to the existence of this [TS]

00:13:26   application and when I took a look to [TS]

00:13:31   see what was in my dropbox folder which [TS]

00:13:34   was about a week after the supposed [TS]

00:13:36   deadline where i was going to look there [TS]

00:13:38   were 75 applications we can you take a [TS]

00:13:42   look at that's a really good number [TS]

00:13:45   because if it would have been a lot [TS]

00:13:49   higher than that one it would have been [TS]

00:13:50   super hard to go through and the quality [TS]

00:13:54   would have probably been an overall [TS]

00:13:56   worse i would expect that you are able [TS]

00:13:59   to really with it down to a more [TS]

00:14:01   manageable number [TS]

00:14:03   yeah and this is a bit of an estimate on [TS]

00:14:05   my part but I think that the number of [TS]

00:14:10   total submission that i may have gotten [TS]

00:14:13   might actually be quite close to your [TS]

00:14:15   guests around 150 because after the [TS]

00:14:19   point at which I looked at it I just had [TS]

00:14:21   a message to my assistance to anybody [TS]

00:14:24   who submitted from that point on she was [TS]

00:14:26   only to pass it along if it really [TS]

00:14:28   struck her as something worth taking a [TS]

00:14:30   look at right and I did see i did just [TS]

00:14:33   look and see briefly that there were a [TS]

00:14:35   bunch more submissions after that but [TS]

00:14:37   none of them made it through her barrier [TS]

00:14:39   ok I i wouldn't be surprised if the [TS]

00:14:42   total number was 150 but the number that [TS]

00:14:44   i actually looked at was 75 and this was [TS]

00:14:51   like like so many moments in life it is [TS]

00:14:53   really easy to overestimate how easy a [TS]

00:15:00   task is until you try to do it yourself [TS]

00:15:03   and so I just had a lot a lot of [TS]

00:15:08   sympathy for hiring managers and HR [TS]

00:15:12   people in this moment because everything [TS]

00:15:14   all this is going to be [TS]

00:15:15   super easy just to go through a bunch of [TS]

00:15:17   applications how hard can it possibly be [TS]

00:15:19   and it turns out the answer is it's a [TS]

00:15:21   lot harder than you think it is going [TS]

00:15:24   going through this so i ended up having [TS]

00:15:26   to break it into two parts i did a first [TS]

00:15:31   pass [TS]

00:15:32   we're all I have all I was doing was I [TS]

00:15:35   literally created a folder called [TS]

00:15:37   tolerable and so my estimation there was [TS]

00:15:42   all I want to do on round one is put [TS]

00:15:46   anything that is tolerable or better [TS]

00:15:49   into this folder because simply trying [TS]

00:15:52   to watch all of the videos since some of [TS]

00:15:55   them were very different in quality [TS]

00:15:58   it's like it was surprisingly hard to [TS]

00:16:00   make comparisons after watching three or [TS]

00:16:02   four videos like your brain just gets [TS]

00:16:04   really muddled up with all the details [TS]

00:16:06   so I thought ok I just need to do a [TS]

00:16:08   quick first pass of which ones are [TS]

00:16:10   definitely out and which ones are [TS]

00:16:12   definitely in so I sorted that way and [TS]

00:16:15   then I thought okay once i have done [TS]

00:16:17   that then I can try again to make finer [TS]

00:16:20   distinctions between some of the [TS]

00:16:21   applications but so that was that was [TS]

00:16:24   the round one and then I did around to [TS]

00:16:26   which was trying to limit it down a bit [TS]

00:16:28   further but that's that's how I ended up [TS]

00:16:30   doing this on my own so far [TS]

00:16:32   yeah that makes sense to me because i [TS]

00:16:34   think if you watch so many things in a [TS]

00:16:36   row you kind of lose track of what's [TS]

00:16:39   better than the one another right yeah [TS]

00:16:42   like whittling it down by like can i [TS]

00:16:44   watch this and it doesn't have my eyes [TS]

00:16:47   is a good way of doing things right [TS]

00:16:50   round one was basically identify the [TS]

00:16:52   instant nose right that that was all [TS]

00:16:55   over what we're trying to do because I [TS]

00:16:56   realized very quickly that as you're [TS]

00:16:57   watching through stuff you end up [TS]

00:17:00   comparing the thing that you're [TS]

00:17:01   currently watching mentally to the thing [TS]

00:17:03   that you have just watched you're like [TS]

00:17:05   wait a minute that's not that's not what [TS]

00:17:06   this comparison should be at all [TS]

00:17:07   I can't do this just all in one go in [TS]

00:17:11   the way was originally intending yeah so [TS]

00:17:14   it was interesting [TS]

00:17:16   just again since i think that the whole [TS]

00:17:18   purpose of this show is to talk like [TS]

00:17:21   about the about the details of being [TS]

00:17:23   self-employed and of course there's [TS]

00:17:24   there's some things here that I won't be [TS]

00:17:26   able to discuss because we're talking [TS]

00:17:27   about actual people but [TS]

00:17:29   of the 75 applications that i had 50 of [TS]

00:17:35   them were sorted as instant nose and 25 [TS]

00:17:39   of them were sorted as tolerable or [TS]

00:17:41   better so that was the round one of the [TS]

00:17:45   applications what happens next [TS]

00:17:48   was that I had to give my brain a couple [TS]

00:17:50   of days to filter that out into kind of [TS]

00:17:55   like okay forget what you've seen and I [TS]

00:17:58   need to come back to this at a later [TS]

00:18:00   point so I gave it i gave it a little [TS]

00:18:02   while because this is where we may [TS]

00:18:06   return to it later but a whole other [TS]

00:18:07   thing happened was distracted my [TS]

00:18:08   attention for a little bit so this has [TS]

00:18:09   gone on a bit longer than i would have [TS]

00:18:11   wanted to otherwise but when i came back [TS]

00:18:15   then I was trying to make a decision [TS]

00:18:18   about their these 25 applications i want [TS]

00:18:23   to narrow this down as much as i can [TS]

00:18:26   again based solely on the animation so [TS]

00:18:31   I'm still looking at all of these things [TS]

00:18:33   as files with just a single numbers i [TS]

00:18:35   don't know anything about the people [TS]

00:18:36   don't know where they are [TS]

00:18:37   I don't know their experience i'm just [TS]

00:18:39   looking at the animations and the second [TS]

00:18:41   round of cutting was up much harder [TS]

00:18:45   thing to do but i did around to that [TS]

00:18:49   took it from 25 down to 10 so that was [TS]

00:18:54   the the second round of trying to figure [TS]

00:18:57   out what's happening and there I was [TS]

00:18:59   looking at many more finer details about [TS]

00:19:02   the animations like out what what [TS]

00:19:04   choices did you make to animate this or [TS]

00:19:07   that some of the things that are very [TS]

00:19:09   hard to articulate is for example [TS]

00:19:11   watching a video is seeing did the [TS]

00:19:14   person get me to laugh when I'm watching [TS]

00:19:17   the video [TS]

00:19:17   did this person do something that [TS]

00:19:21   matches up with my sense of humor [TS]

00:19:23   this is again that's not to say that the [TS]

00:19:25   people that I didn't select weren't [TS]

00:19:27   funny but the question is do they match [TS]

00:19:30   up with the kind of joke that i might [TS]

00:19:33   make in a in a [TS]

00:19:35   video right like that's that's what I'm [TS]

00:19:37   looking for their and so yeah it was it [TS]

00:19:40   was it was against surprisingly hard to [TS]

00:19:43   do but it was down to 10 then so what's [TS]

00:19:48   happening now is that my assistant is [TS]

00:19:52   reaching out to those 10 and collecting [TS]

00:19:55   some information that i want to have [TS]

00:19:58   about the applications at this point to [TS]

00:20:01   be able to make some decisions about [TS]

00:20:02   where to go in the future is it seeming [TS]

00:20:05   like that this was the wolf wall [TS]

00:20:07   experiment you were hoping it would be [TS]

00:20:09   I'm feeling pretty good about how this [TS]

00:20:12   has been going [TS]

00:20:13   it's especially interesting to me [TS]

00:20:15   because I am has your recording i am [TS]

00:20:19   currently in the middle of animating my [TS]

00:20:22   next video which should be out in a few [TS]

00:20:25   days and of course while i am in the [TS]

00:20:29   process of animating this video I can't [TS]

00:20:30   help but have my mind constantly turn to [TS]

00:20:33   thinking about how will this be [TS]

00:20:35   different when i'm working with somebody [TS]

00:20:37   else and before the application went out [TS]

00:20:40   I was just really nervous and really [TS]

00:20:43   concerned about the kind of quality of [TS]

00:20:46   applications that i was going to get and [TS]

00:20:49   now now being future me who has seen the [TS]

00:20:51   applications i have to say that the [TS]

00:20:54   average quality of application was much [TS]

00:20:58   higher than i was expecting which to me [TS]

00:21:00   was a big big relief [TS]

00:21:02   ok I'm glad to see that there are lots [TS]

00:21:06   of skilled people in here [TS]

00:21:08   yeah and even i just i do have to say [TS]

00:21:10   that for lots of the applications that i [TS]

00:21:12   rejected those people could be motion [TS]

00:21:17   animators like without a doubt i [TS]

00:21:19   rejected people who could do this for a [TS]

00:21:21   living I like just but just the average [TS]

00:21:23   quality was quite high and then that's [TS]

00:21:25   where it starts to come down to again [TS]

00:21:27   just some of the particulars about how [TS]

00:21:29   would I do something or what are the [TS]

00:21:30   particular choices that they made it is [TS]

00:21:32   not necessarily about that person's [TS]

00:21:34   skill but it's their understanding of [TS]

00:21:37   your style which is to the point i guess [TS]

00:21:39   yeah exactly and the end but that that [TS]

00:21:43   is what made it so hard is because there [TS]

00:21:45   were definitely some applications where [TS]

00:21:46   I felt like [TS]

00:21:47   I want to reject this but this person is [TS]

00:21:49   undoubtedly good like they're very good [TS]

00:21:52   they just made decisions that I don't [TS]

00:21:55   agree with for my own style and it's [TS]

00:21:58   just a strange position to be in but [TS]

00:22:00   overall I was very happy to see the the [TS]

00:22:02   quality of the submissions and in my [TS]

00:22:07   experience of animating that the video [TS]

00:22:09   that I'm currently working on [TS]

00:22:11   it's a huge relief to know that in the [TS]

00:22:14   future i will almost certainly be [TS]

00:22:16   working with someone to help make this [TS]

00:22:18   process easier because I can tell I can [TS]

00:22:22   tell that i am still not fully recovered [TS]

00:22:24   from some of the RSI problems I had the [TS]

00:22:26   last video the video prior to that like [TS]

00:22:29   I am having to work in much shorter [TS]

00:22:32   bursts and with larger breaks between [TS]

00:22:34   verse like I can just still feel that i [TS]

00:22:37   am not fully recovered from that before [TS]

00:22:39   and so it's it's just I think everything [TS]

00:22:42   has happened at the right time think I [TS]

00:22:45   was already thinking about bringing [TS]

00:22:47   people on board i had a had a thing that [TS]

00:22:50   accelerated this whole process which I [TS]

00:22:52   think ultimately is good and I'm looking [TS]

00:22:54   at these applications and i have to say [TS]

00:22:56   of of the 10 people that I'm going to [TS]

00:22:59   get some more information about I think [TS]

00:23:02   any of them i could imagine working with [TS]

00:23:05   to produce animations in the future I i [TS]

00:23:08   think that there's there are definitely [TS]

00:23:10   people here that I can work with and I [TS]

00:23:13   want to work with in the future [TS]

00:23:15   resuming presuming that everything works [TS]

00:23:17   out between us and that it's all ok we [TS]

00:23:21   plan on giving feedback to the [TS]

00:23:24   applicants it was a thing that crossed [TS]

00:23:26   my mind because I remember when I was [TS]

00:23:31   applying for a job as a teacher that the [TS]

00:23:35   schools did give feedback to people if [TS]

00:23:37   they didn't select you what the very [TS]

00:23:39   first school I ever applied to [TS]

00:23:41   I didn't realize they were offering me a [TS]

00:23:42   job and I sort of talk myself out of the [TS]

00:23:44   job and then I got some feedback about [TS]

00:23:46   how like you seemed really uncommitted [TS]

00:23:48   to the school and then I realized like [TS]

00:23:49   oh I realized what was happening here [TS]

00:23:53   I had this ok I have to tell you now but [TS]

00:23:58   I i applied to the school which was very [TS]

00:24:00   high on the list like I had a short list [TS]

00:24:01   of three schools that i really want to [TS]

00:24:03   work at and i applied to one of them and [TS]

00:24:05   you do the whole you do a whole test [TS]

00:24:08   lesson and then you talk to the head of [TS]

00:24:10   department and then you talk to the head [TS]

00:24:11   of the school and then presumably they [TS]

00:24:13   have a little meeting about you and then [TS]

00:24:14   they walk you out to the front and [TS]

00:24:16   someone's talking to you and as the head [TS]

00:24:17   of head of department was walking me out [TS]

00:24:19   of the building he was going [TS]

00:24:21   what would you say if we offered you the [TS]

00:24:24   job right now and I said all I i I'd [TS]

00:24:28   have to think about it I because I i [TS]

00:24:30   don't i don't like to make decisions on [TS]

00:24:33   the spot is like but what if what if we [TS]

00:24:36   were going to offer it to you right now [TS]

00:24:39   as like I would just I would just have [TS]

00:24:41   to think about it and felt like I was [TS]

00:24:45   just a little late it was just didn't [TS]

00:24:48   realize what was occurring there and I [TS]

00:24:51   remember he was like really insistent on [TS]

00:24:54   this point all the way out to the front [TS]

00:24:55   door about but if we were to tell you at [TS]

00:24:59   this very moment that you could start [TS]

00:25:01   work immediately what would you think [TS]

00:25:03   about that now it's like I would just [TS]

00:25:04   have to think about it and then it was a [TS]

00:25:06   couple days later when I got a phone [TS]

00:25:08   call from the headmistress and she was [TS]

00:25:10   telling me how it seems like i was [TS]

00:25:11   uncommitted to the school and then like [TS]

00:25:13   the other penny dropped like oh that's [TS]

00:25:16   what was happening at that's my [TS]

00:25:20   experience with feedback for applying to [TS]

00:25:21   jobs no desire to have an impulse but [TS]

00:25:26   enough like when i watch shark tank [TS]

00:25:28   I always think when the vc's offer a [TS]

00:25:29   deal and like all is it weird here's the [TS]

00:25:31   deal but you have to say yes or no right [TS]

00:25:32   now I'm sorry might like a policy is now [TS]

00:25:34   if you if you need me to decide right [TS]

00:25:35   now the answers right but this is why [TS]

00:25:37   you would never go on that show [TS]

00:25:39   I don't know we're never going to this [TS]

00:25:41   is pointless but they get a reasonable [TS]

00:25:42   policy you spend hours and hours [TS]

00:25:44   preparing for it [TS]

00:25:46   you going to show give your pitch they [TS]

00:25:48   offer you the hundred thousand dollars [TS]

00:25:49   you want to tell them you need to go [TS]

00:25:50   away and think about it [TS]

00:25:52   yeah it's not unreasonable but anyway [TS]

00:25:55   back to the feedback questions right i [TS]

00:25:58   did think about it simply because of the [TS]

00:26:01   large number of applications and also [TS]

00:26:02   because of how surprisingly busy my past [TS]

00:26:05   two weeks were [TS]

00:26:06   I realized if I was going to do this I [TS]

00:26:08   would want to do it right and this was [TS]

00:26:10   this would quite easily be two full days [TS]

00:26:13   of work [TS]

00:26:14   22 just right back with feedback on the [TS]

00:26:17   applications [TS]

00:26:19   what about to the final 10 so much [TS]

00:26:21   smaller number these people all know [TS]

00:26:23   that you're kind of interested now maybe [TS]

00:26:26   they would be at least a more manageable [TS]

00:26:29   tasks to give feedback to those 10 [TS]

00:26:33   yeah it's a possibility it's a [TS]

00:26:35   possibility but i'm not sure how much [TS]

00:26:37   more specific the feedback would be at [TS]

00:26:39   this stage than just some peculiar [TS]

00:26:41   reasoning on my part [TS]

00:26:42   sometimes that's all it takes them just [TS]

00:26:45   to know so you don't question it [TS]

00:26:47   yeah I guess I just again I think all of [TS]

00:26:49   the all of the ten the people who by the [TS]

00:26:52   time this goes up will almost certainly [TS]

00:26:55   have replied they cut the email inbox [TS]

00:26:58   like any of them [TS]

00:27:00   I could imagine working with so it feels [TS]

00:27:03   like that's isn't that feedback enough i [TS]

00:27:06   don't know but yeah it's to just [TS]

00:27:08   reiterate my earlier answer is I am [TS]

00:27:11   feeling pretty good about this is it's [TS]

00:27:16   it's going slower than i would have [TS]

00:27:18   otherwise wanted but I'm feeling pretty [TS]

00:27:20   good about this and that at this stage [TS]

00:27:22   it's just going to come down to the [TS]

00:27:24   peculiarities of working with the [TS]

00:27:27   individuals or like when are people [TS]

00:27:29   available and i think that this at this [TS]

00:27:32   stage is going to be I think very [TS]

00:27:34   particular and maybe not a whole lot to [TS]

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00:29:58   people that are in the last final 10 [TS]

00:30:01   sounds like a reality show now you give [TS]

00:30:03   roses out the ones that you like and [TS]

00:30:05   yeah maybe you don't like here wacom [TS]

00:30:08   stylus is something you know [TS]

00:30:10   yeah that's how they know their work of [TS]

00:30:13   the ones that are through to the final [TS]

00:30:15   round [TS]

00:30:16   are there any in there or are they all [TS]

00:30:19   kind of in a scenario where you could [TS]

00:30:21   have an all-in one person and we spoke [TS]

00:30:23   about that before about like someone who [TS]

00:30:25   would be animator and illustrator [TS]

00:30:29   is this something that you think might [TS]

00:30:31   exist in these people [TS]

00:30:33   yeah i would say that all of these [TS]

00:30:36   people would be totally fine as animator [TS]

00:30:39   illustrators and what I was kind of [TS]

00:30:42   thinking from the beginning but didn't [TS]

00:30:44   quite want to say is work [TS]

00:30:45   collaboratively on storyboards iie if a [TS]

00:30:49   person is good [TS]

00:30:50   my thought is I want their feedback on a [TS]

00:30:53   storyboard if i can give them a script i [TS]

00:30:55   think i think a good work flow again [TS]

00:30:59   this is me just speculating just [TS]

00:31:00   thinking about it in the future but all [TS]

00:31:02   of these people seem really good and so [TS]

00:31:04   my thought is that if I have scripts one [TS]

00:31:06   of the things that might be able to do [TS]

00:31:07   is say look here is the script i'm going [TS]

00:31:10   to do a rough storyboard you separately [TS]

00:31:13   do a rough storyboard and together let's [TS]

00:31:15   see what is the best thing to do right [TS]

00:31:18   because those people have already done [TS]

00:31:19   that [TS]

00:31:20   right exactly that was the first [TS]

00:31:21   challenge right was taken just the audio [TS]

00:31:25   not even the script right making it even [TS]

00:31:28   harder than it would be manned make [TS]

00:31:31   something entertaining out of this and [TS]

00:31:33   to get into that position there and now [TS]

00:31:35   they have done that [TS]

00:31:36   yeah so it's again it's it's a it's a [TS]

00:31:39   strong group of people and all of them [TS]

00:31:42   could be an animator illustrators story [TS]

00:31:45   border people so i think a camera camera [TS]

00:31:48   what I said last episode that i was [TS]

00:31:50   expecting like a twenty-five percent [TS]

00:31:51   chance that i might be able to find [TS]

00:31:53   someone who fills that all in one roll [TS]

00:31:55   and here i am with 10 possibilities of [TS]

00:31:59   people who could fill that all in one [TS]

00:32:00   roll so I think I dramatically [TS]

00:32:03   dramatically underestimated last time [TS]

00:32:06   that was my bet by the way that you [TS]

00:32:08   would find lots of people that could do [TS]

00:32:10   both because how else could they have [TS]

00:32:11   gotten to the point where they made the [TS]

00:32:13   submission [TS]

00:32:14   yeah it wasn't you are you are totally [TS]

00:32:16   right [TS]

00:32:17   you were right on this one hashtag Mike [TS]

00:32:19   was right i guess practice you like to [TS]

00:32:21   hear that I'd love to hit record i know [TS]

00:32:23   it's his sweet sweet sound to your ears [TS]

00:32:26   i'll give it to you he's called to my [TS]

00:32:27   emotional wellness so you found these [TS]

00:32:32   ten people is that going to be a fleet [TS]

00:32:35   of cgpgrey and a major illustrators back [TS]

00:32:39   if you have 10 now it's an abundance [TS]

00:32:42   this is where i have found things a [TS]

00:32:45   little bit tricky is I'm I'm not 100% [TS]

00:32:48   sure how to proceed from this point [TS]

00:32:51   yeah because again this is where I for [TS]

00:32:59   the purposes of hiring I again wish that [TS]

00:33:01   I was a bigger entity i would love to be [TS]

00:33:05   able to do something like bring on three [TS]

00:33:09   animators and and have them work on [TS]

00:33:11   stuff but the question is I just don't [TS]

00:33:13   reduce enough writing at this point to [TS]

00:33:16   support something like that is just it [TS]

00:33:20   is it is just not practical [TS]

00:33:22   so I I don't really know how this is [TS]

00:33:24   this is going to proceed and this is [TS]

00:33:27   partly why i am doing this information [TS]

00:33:29   gathering stage on the people who have [TS]

00:33:30   applied because I could easily see you [TS]

00:33:36   know one of two outcomes for this I [TS]

00:33:39   could I could see either having one [TS]

00:33:42   person who does a large amount of work [TS]

00:33:45   for me or I could see rotating between a [TS]

00:33:51   few people and one of the interesting [TS]

00:33:53   things about this submission process [TS]

00:33:56   which I did expect but didn't explicitly [TS]

00:34:00   want to say is that a couple of people [TS]

00:34:03   ignored what was seemingly the most [TS]

00:34:08   important piece of advice which was you [TS]

00:34:11   are to animate this video in my style [TS]

00:34:13   and I anticipated that some people would [TS]

00:34:17   just totally ignore that but still [TS]

00:34:20   produce very interesting work and so I [TS]

00:34:25   have a couple of submissions which fall [TS]

00:34:27   into that category of this is obviously [TS]

00:34:31   not a video that I could have ever [TS]

00:34:33   produced no one would watch this and [TS]

00:34:36   think boy cgpgrey got a little bit [TS]

00:34:38   better at animating is like no no see [TS]

00:34:40   great did not get this good animating [TS]

00:34:42   like somebody else did this this does [TS]

00:34:43   not look like his style at all and so [TS]

00:34:46   those submissions are interesting in a [TS]

00:34:49   different way maybe there's a way that [TS]

00:34:52   the future of the siege be great channel [TS]

00:34:53   that it has [TS]

00:34:54   rotating styles that just like in the [TS]

00:34:58   past i have had Knut do animation for a [TS]

00:35:01   few of my videos Lord of the Rings [TS]

00:35:03   videos the star trek videos like maybe [TS]

00:35:05   going forward in the future there might [TS]

00:35:07   be a couple of different animation [TS]

00:35:08   styles you already do have different [TS]

00:35:10   styles so attracted like you have the [TS]

00:35:13   like the slideshow e-type ones [TS]

00:35:16   it's like the royal family tree and the [TS]

00:35:19   political ones like the voting ones then [TS]

00:35:22   you also have like great explains where [TS]

00:35:24   it's little stick figure guide talking [TS]

00:35:26   right or you go like full-on stop for [TS]

00:35:29   edge 15-minute mini-documentary right so [TS]

00:35:33   what you are saying right now is the [TS]

00:35:36   thing that everybody i have spoken to [TS]

00:35:38   says write back to me like you know you [TS]

00:35:40   already do this right [TS]

00:35:41   look at you don't you don't actually [TS]

00:35:43   have a single style that every single [TS]

00:35:46   video looks like you already do this and [TS]

00:35:49   so part of me feels like that is quite [TS]

00:35:52   naturally the solution going forward [TS]

00:35:53   that the people that I am working with [TS]

00:35:57   might end up just having their own style [TS]

00:36:00   so I have a couple of different looking [TS]

00:36:02   things on the channel but now the only [TS]

00:36:04   thing that's different is that it is [TS]

00:36:06   other people who have made them it is [TS]

00:36:07   not me because from my perspective since [TS]

00:36:11   i have made all the videos I think I [TS]

00:36:14   over assume their visual similarity to [TS]

00:36:19   the viewer because i have made them if [TS]

00:36:21   you see what if you see what I mean and [TS]

00:36:23   saying like oh if I've other people [TS]

00:36:24   doing different things it'll look just [TS]

00:36:26   crazy different every single video but I [TS]

00:36:28   i imagine that that is largely the [TS]

00:36:30   experience of the viewer already check [TS]

00:36:32   out this video looks nothing like the [TS]

00:36:35   other cgpgrey videos and you know if you [TS]

00:36:37   go back earlier in the channel like [TS]

00:36:38   there's tons of videos that don't even [TS]

00:36:40   have the notion of stick figure [TS]

00:36:42   cgpgrey like there's a bunch of videos [TS]

00:36:44   that don't even have that what now feels [TS]

00:36:46   like a constant element right i was [TS]

00:36:48   totally missing from probably half of my [TS]

00:36:50   videos i'm gonna say i tip my hat to [TS]

00:36:53   those people [TS]

00:36:54   yeah what do you mean it's supposed to [TS]

00:36:56   move it is it is a total ballsy move and [TS]

00:36:59   I think that that shows a level of [TS]

00:37:01   creativity which and confidence which [TS]

00:37:05   could be beneficial [TS]

00:37:07   those people were confident [TS]

00:37:08   nothing their own style and their own [TS]

00:37:10   ability that they could create something [TS]

00:37:12   that was different even though you [TS]

00:37:14   explicitly asked for the same yeah and [TS]

00:37:17   this is this is kind of what I was I was [TS]

00:37:20   getting at last time we were talking [TS]

00:37:22   about talents but I still want to be a [TS]

00:37:24   little bit indirect about it that the [TS]

00:37:26   people who are going to do that they're [TS]

00:37:28   just going to do that anyway [TS]

00:37:29   yeah right this is faithful even the [TS]

00:37:31   permeability which they should write you [TS]

00:37:34   know sometimes that goes terribly wrong [TS]

00:37:36   I did I did reject very quickly some [TS]

00:37:40   videos that made that move oh but in a [TS]

00:37:43   way like now this is this is not going [TS]

00:37:44   to work [TS]

00:37:45   yeah it is it is the daring move and [TS]

00:37:48   it's it's an interesting move and it's [TS]

00:37:50   like I said who I was anticipating that [TS]

00:37:52   this would happen but I i wasn't going [TS]

00:37:56   to bank on it as a one hundred percent [TS]

00:37:58   certainty [TS]

00:37:59   hey so a couple of times you have [TS]

00:38:02   mentioned that something kept you busy [TS]

00:38:06   like he said that you had to take some [TS]

00:38:08   days off because you were busy central [TS]

00:38:10   mosque was going on over there [TS]

00:38:12   we then you know just just gray [TS]

00:38:16   industries and such a such a massive [TS]

00:38:18   global venture there's always there's [TS]

00:38:21   always something going on those will [TS]

00:38:22   just keep on turnin huh yeah they do I [TS]

00:38:25   just I had an experience which was again [TS]

00:38:28   we're having started this process of [TS]

00:38:34   trying to get someone as an animator for [TS]

00:38:37   the youtube channel and also the the [TS]

00:38:40   thing that happened before with us where [TS]

00:38:43   you helped me get an editor for hello [TS]

00:38:46   internet like having those two [TS]

00:38:48   experiences have turned out to be [TS]

00:38:51   extremely useful in in the past two [TS]

00:38:54   weeks because related to hiring i was [TS]

00:38:57   able to do with thing that I know eight [TS]

00:39:00   weeks ago would have seemed like an [TS]

00:39:01   incredible difficult task but now became [TS]

00:39:06   a thing that I just did in between shows [TS]

00:39:08   without really mentioning it [TS]

00:39:09   hero which was i I had a thing that I [TS]

00:39:14   needed to do for the company i'm not [TS]

00:39:16   going to specify what that thing is i [TS]

00:39:18   will let people in the reddit speculate [TS]

00:39:19   because people have speculated [TS]

00:39:21   but basically i had a project that [TS]

00:39:22   needed to get done and sort of [TS]

00:39:26   unexpectedly needed to get done and I [TS]

00:39:29   thought okay this is I'm like a person [TS]

00:39:32   who tries to find freelancers to work [TS]

00:39:34   with now I can do this let me see if I [TS]

00:39:36   can just quickly get some people to do [TS]

00:39:38   this thing for me and so I was really [TS]

00:39:41   pleased that i had this thing that need [TS]

00:39:43   to be done [TS]

00:39:43   I wrote up a basic job description of [TS]

00:39:47   what needed to occur i passed off the [TS]

00:39:50   relevant information about here are the [TS]

00:39:52   key characteristics of what i'm looking [TS]

00:39:53   for to my personal assistant [TS]

00:39:55   I had her go look out for a list of [TS]

00:39:59   candidates who matched these various [TS]

00:40:01   criteria [TS]

00:40:02   she gave me a short list of five people [TS]

00:40:05   I selected it down to a list of three [TS]

00:40:07   people I then had three people work on a [TS]

00:40:10   thing simultaneously as a test for each [TS]

00:40:13   of them and then two of those three [TS]

00:40:17   people worked out with doing this thing [TS]

00:40:19   precisely the way that I needed to be [TS]

00:40:21   done and so now i have to freelancers to [TS]

00:40:23   be able to call on for particular task [TS]

00:40:25   we need to get done and I feel like this [TS]

00:40:27   thing just happened it was like boom [TS]

00:40:29   boom boom boom here's another time where [TS]

00:40:31   I feel like I'm being a CEO there's a [TS]

00:40:33   thing I need done [TS]

00:40:34   oh I have people to help me with hiring [TS]

00:40:36   i'm going to make some decisions about [TS]

00:40:37   the individuals i'm going to pay people [TS]

00:40:40   to do this work and then i'm going to be [TS]

00:40:42   able to see right away if it was done [TS]

00:40:44   properly and it was just done it was [TS]

00:40:46   just a thing was like done sorted solves [TS]

00:40:49   and I feel like without cortex that [TS]

00:40:53   would never have happened that would [TS]

00:40:54   have been a huge disaster and huge time [TS]

00:40:58   sink much more than it was just for a [TS]

00:41:00   couple of days so yeah there was that [TS]

00:41:02   was good good experience Mike wow ok you [TS]

00:41:05   yeah I don't think this process take [TS]

00:41:07   from start to finish it was probably [TS]

00:41:10   three days but it was also a relatively [TS]

00:41:14   small amount of my time and attention [TS]

00:41:17   yeah it was a bit of a panicky think it [TS]

00:41:18   needs to be done straight away which is [TS]

00:41:20   why it diverted my mental attention but [TS]

00:41:23   in terms of the actual amount of time [TS]

00:41:24   that I spent it was relatively small and [TS]

00:41:29   I think I just think like this was is [TS]

00:41:31   just an interesting thing to occur and [TS]

00:41:33   was one of the ways [TS]

00:41:34   in which I don't know people change over [TS]

00:41:37   time and again this would have just been [TS]

00:41:39   a much more difficult task a long time [TS]

00:41:41   ago this would have been horrible for [TS]

00:41:43   you a couple of months ago you would [TS]

00:41:45   have done everything you could to avoid [TS]

00:41:46   this process is perfect right right I've [TS]

00:41:49   like admitting that you needed help [TS]

00:41:52   right and then trying to go out to the [TS]

00:41:56   open world to find it right then judging [TS]

00:41:59   the work and dealing with people like [TS]

00:42:00   that it's like everything he gets [TS]

00:42:03   yeah it was it was absolutely terrible [TS]

00:42:05   but it was it also just to make falls [TS]

00:42:10   into this category of the theme of the [TS]

00:42:13   year of less as with so many of these [TS]

00:42:15   things of me trying to do less and when [TS]

00:42:20   I was thinking about this is like okay I [TS]

00:42:21   need someone to help with this task I [TS]

00:42:25   was I was originally thinking okay let [TS]

00:42:27   me try to find one person and i'll test [TS]

00:42:29   one person and i'll do that like but now [TS]

00:42:31   wait this needs to be done quickly and [TS]

00:42:33   so this also goes back to the [TS]

00:42:35   spreadsheet that I still need to help [TS]

00:42:36   you make at some point Mike I was able [TS]

00:42:38   to kind of think about this as this is a [TS]

00:42:41   thing that I need solved quickly what is [TS]

00:42:44   like what is the cost calculation of [TS]

00:42:47   having three people just do it if I just [TS]

00:42:49   pay them to do it and using that [TS]

00:42:51   essentially as also the job application [TS]

00:42:53   was like okay well the return on [TS]

00:42:56   investment for this from a business [TS]

00:42:57   perspective says just do it like you [TS]

00:42:59   need this thing done quickly and the [TS]

00:43:02   cost to trying to do it sequentially [TS]

00:43:03   doesn't make sense [TS]

00:43:05   it was an interesting way to realize of [TS]

00:43:07   of how to try to solve a problem [TS]

00:43:09   relatively quickly in a very i am [TS]

00:43:13   thinking about this as a CEO i am not [TS]

00:43:16   thinking about this as me a person [TS]

00:43:18   trying to solve a problem so yeah cortex [TS]

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00:45:17   great what is kool Mac are you thinking [TS]

00:45:22   about switching keyboard layouts Mike [TS]

00:45:24   know I've just come across a word I've [TS]

00:45:26   never heard before [TS]

00:45:28   it's not a feedback callback is better [TS]

00:45:30   you should try call Mac that's what I've [TS]

00:45:31   been told [TS]

00:45:32   look the internet is an endless fractal [TS]

00:45:36   of opposing wars of thanks tracker it's [TS]

00:45:41   like oh there's apple vs IBM right are [TS]

00:45:45   like this there's mac vs pc okay we're [TS]

00:45:49   all on the mac side i will now its iOS [TS]

00:45:51   vs OSX right and ok and then it's like [TS]

00:45:55   these things go on forever and ever and [TS]

00:45:57   ever and there is nothing that you can [TS]

00:46:00   mention that there [TS]

00:46:01   is not going to be some other side for [TS]

00:46:03   no matter how obscure you get so the [TS]

00:46:06   question is are you in the point 0 0 1 [TS]

00:46:10   percent of the population considering [TS]

00:46:12   switching to a Dvorak keyboard cast what [TS]

00:46:15   you have many options right and people [TS]

00:46:17   are going to argue with you about which [TS]

00:46:19   of the variations is the best one so [TS]

00:46:21   everything everything devolves into [TS]

00:46:23   these kind of little Wars but the answer [TS]

00:46:28   to your question is that Commack is [TS]

00:46:31   another alternative keyboard just as [TS]

00:46:34   dvorak is designed to minimize finger [TS]

00:46:37   movement commack is also designed to [TS]

00:46:40   minimize finger movement but my [TS]

00:46:42   understanding of it is that it is also [TS]

00:46:45   optimized to be easier to switch to so [TS]

00:46:50   that when it was being designed the [TS]

00:46:53   question was not let's minimize the [TS]

00:46:56   amount of finger travel the question was [TS]

00:46:59   let's minimize the amount of finger [TS]

00:47:01   travel and also minimize the amount of [TS]

00:47:05   keys that were actually going to move [TS]

00:47:08   yeah i'm looking at a layout now and [TS]

00:47:10   it's very similar very similar [TS]

00:47:13   mm so the standard copy cut paste keys [TS]

00:47:18   everybody in the world uses those are [TS]

00:47:20   not moved on purpose because everybody [TS]

00:47:23   has that just burned into their brain [TS]

00:47:24   about cock cut copy paste there's a few [TS]

00:47:27   other frequent keys that are not moved [TS]

00:47:29   but that is my understanding is called [TS]

00:47:31   Mac is designed to make switching [TS]

00:47:33   simpler we have Y using OS 10 it would [TS]

00:47:38   be better [TS]

00:47:38   yeah sure that one too because i took [TS]

00:47:40   the Q and W are in the same place like [TS]

00:47:43   to quit and close windows and stuff like [TS]

00:47:45   that i can see how like especially as a [TS]

00:47:47   Mac user it will maybe be easier to [TS]

00:47:49   switch to connect [TS]

00:47:50   yeah but my feeling is for its been [TS]

00:47:55   funny have been getting a lot of how [TS]

00:47:57   Twitter messages and messages from [TS]

00:47:59   people telling me that they have decided [TS]

00:48:01   to switch and that they now understand [TS]

00:48:04   the feeling like you had a stroke [TS]

00:48:05   yeah it's like oh god that was not a [TS]

00:48:08   joke that is legitimately the feeling of [TS]

00:48:10   trying to type on the nuke [TS]

00:48:12   word layout as required to use are [TS]

00:48:14   looking at the four acts it's it's like [TS]

00:48:17   a nightmare like everything it just [TS]

00:48:19   looks horrific it's all over the place [TS]

00:48:21   yeah I like the people that have also [TS]

00:48:23   seen a couple of people that sent in [TS]

00:48:25   pictures of photos are printouts of the [TS]

00:48:28   dvorak layout on the top of their [TS]

00:48:30   monitor come here i like how you did [TS]

00:48:32   that offend a few people have taken my [TS]

00:48:34   on [TS]

00:48:35   yeah I even though i use dvorak I feel [TS]

00:48:38   the need to be emphasized other possibly [TS]

00:48:40   too late for many that i don't i don't [TS]

00:48:43   promote switching just for funsies [TS]

00:48:47   ok I think you need a really good reason [TS]

00:48:50   to want to switch and yeah switching [TS]

00:48:54   because it's the more efficient layout i [TS]

00:48:55   think that is not a good decision you [TS]

00:48:58   hit if you you need to switch the dvorak [TS]

00:49:00   because you have a really good reason to [TS]

00:49:02   do so not not 40 it'll be a little [TS]

00:49:06   faster or it's a little bit more [TS]

00:49:07   efficient like that i think that is not [TS]

00:49:09   good enough for the transition costs I [TS]

00:49:11   can't even imagine the minuscule amount [TS]

00:49:13   of people in the world that it actually [TS]

00:49:15   would affect to have more efficiency [TS]

00:49:17   with time exactly is it [TS]

00:49:19   what sort of difference you're looking [TS]

00:49:21   at here if you're going to double your [TS]

00:49:23   typing speed it might be good right but [TS]

00:49:26   you're not so you're not doing that [TS]

00:49:28   buddy [TS]

00:49:29   yeah and so the amount of time you lose [TS]

00:49:31   over a couple of months getting back [TS]

00:49:34   your regular typing speed you're never [TS]

00:49:35   going to recover that over the course of [TS]

00:49:38   the whole rest of your life because [TS]

00:49:39   dvorak may or may not be slightly faster [TS]

00:49:42   or more efficient one thing that has [TS]

00:49:44   been kind of rattling around my brain [TS]

00:49:46   that I'm not sure that I fully [TS]

00:49:47   understand from our discussion last week [TS]

00:49:49   is why changing keyboard layout would [TS]

00:49:52   have helped your hands just still making [TS]

00:49:56   the same movements right just in [TS]

00:49:57   different locations [TS]

00:49:59   yeah it's in like this is why this is [TS]

00:50:03   why i'm at like a reluctance dvorak [TS]

00:50:06   promoter and and barely even a dvorak [TS]

00:50:09   motor because last week would have been [TS]

00:50:11   different [TS]

00:50:12   soliloquy i think if you listen back [TS]

00:50:17   last time if you didn't cut it [TS]

00:50:18   I i did say something like all i know is [TS]

00:50:21   that when i switch to dvorak i stopped [TS]

00:50:24   having problems that that is a [TS]

00:50:25   very different statement from dvorak [TS]

00:50:28   will solve all of your problems and make [TS]

00:50:30   all of your dreams come true now i could [TS]

00:50:31   just cut that section and just use that [TS]

00:50:33   pop but you guys FF this is the problem [TS]

00:50:37   with you doing yet huh [TS]

00:50:40   I imagine it was a it was a combination [TS]

00:50:42   of many things at the time I think it [TS]

00:50:44   was certainly a combination of taking a [TS]

00:50:46   big break from typing when I had a [TS]

00:50:48   problem i think it was almost certainly [TS]

00:50:52   being forced to get back into typing [TS]

00:50:55   very slowly because i wasn't able to [TS]

00:50:58   type very quickly and then I think those [TS]

00:51:02   two things started me down on the right [TS]

00:51:04   path and then now that I type with [TS]

00:51:08   dvorak i think that the amount i am [TS]

00:51:13   moving my hands is now under the [TS]

00:51:16   threshold that would cause me RSI [TS]

00:51:18   problems right whereas before with [TS]

00:51:21   qwerty i think it was over the threshold [TS]

00:51:24   but i may not be representative of the [TS]

00:51:28   general population it is very possible [TS]

00:51:30   that i am right on the edge with that [TS]

00:51:32   kind of thing whereas everybody with RSI [TS]

00:51:36   problems they have some threshold some [TS]

00:51:39   people's thresholds are naturally hire [TS]

00:51:41   some people thresholds are naturally [TS]

00:51:42   lower and that is going to affect what [TS]

00:51:46   helps you or what doesn't help you and [TS]

00:51:48   so I i suspect that typing wise i was [TS]

00:51:52   right on some threshold we're changing [TS]

00:51:55   to dvorak switched but if your [TS]

00:51:56   sensitivity to our side problems is very [TS]

00:51:59   high switching to dvorak might not help [TS]

00:52:01   you at all right it might just cost you [TS]

00:52:03   some time and not be beneficial [TS]

00:52:06   so that that's why i always try to be [TS]

00:52:08   really careful when I talk about it like [TS]

00:52:10   it helped me but I'm not sure that I can [TS]

00:52:13   universally recommend it though i would [TS]

00:52:17   say if you are having RSI problems [TS]

00:52:22   it doesn't necessarily hurt to try [TS]

00:52:25   like it because what else are you going [TS]

00:52:27   to do you can try different split [TS]

00:52:29   keyboard like there's a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:52:30   that you can try and dvorak is one of [TS]

00:52:33   those tools and [TS]

00:52:35   i know i've i've used split keyboard [TS]

00:52:37   like I've done a bunch of that other [TS]

00:52:38   stuff but I I think switching the layout [TS]

00:52:40   was was the thing that worked well for [TS]

00:52:41   me but I am NOT a doctor did not play [TS]

00:52:44   one on a podcast all I will say is with [TS]

00:52:48   the commack people i don't know how much [TS]

00:52:50   easier it is to actually switch to [TS]

00:52:52   commack my suspicion is that if you can [TS]

00:52:57   get dvorak or you're going to commack [TS]

00:52:59   either way you're going to feel like [TS]

00:53:01   you've had a stroke [TS]

00:53:02   I can't imagine it's going to be that [TS]

00:53:04   much of a difference so i think that the [TS]

00:53:07   thing that really matters is just [TS]

00:53:09   knowing that whatever device you are [TS]

00:53:12   going to use has software level support [TS]

00:53:15   for the keyboard that you were going to [TS]

00:53:17   use like that is the primary feature [TS]

00:53:21   okay Mike last week I told you about the [TS]

00:53:27   one true email app which is Uni box and [TS]

00:53:30   i would like to know if you have tried [TS]

00:53:32   it since then i have set up unit box or [TS]

00:53:36   my devices today and I've played with it [TS]

00:53:40   then I can see a utility for it but i [TS]

00:53:44   don't think i will use it as much as you [TS]

00:53:47   do [TS]

00:53:47   I know exactly when I will use unity box [TS]

00:53:50   when is that when i go on trips [TS]

00:53:54   ok so why why on trips versus other [TS]

00:53:59   times what was your thinking here so [TS]

00:54:00   when I'm when I one trips this can be [TS]

00:54:02   vacations or work trips i have less time [TS]

00:54:05   to devote to email so whenever I do open [TS]

00:54:10   my email inbox i would like to be able [TS]

00:54:13   to a glance pick out important things [TS]

00:54:16   and that would be by person who so it's [TS]

00:54:20   very likely that you know if I'm not [TS]

00:54:22   looking email for a few days I might [TS]

00:54:23   have a few emails from a few important [TS]

00:54:25   people and they'll be grouped together [TS]

00:54:26   in your box and it's a better way I [TS]

00:54:28   think to manage a large inbox [TS]

00:54:33   mm so i will definitely use it then [TS]

00:54:35   which is why I'm keeping it installed [TS]

00:54:37   because i know that at times where i can [TS]

00:54:39   only just dip into this and pick out [TS]

00:54:41   important things and I know there's [TS]

00:54:42   gonna be a lot more in the unusual this [TS]

00:54:44   would be a really good way of glance to [TS]

00:54:47   get a view of [TS]

00:54:48   what is happening which is why I also [TS]

00:54:51   think that this app is kind of made for [TS]

00:54:55   your style of email because that's kind [TS]

00:54:58   of how you mean it sounds like I'm [TS]

00:55:00   making a drug but I'm being serious like [TS]

00:55:02   this this is how you kind of always do [TS]

00:55:04   your email right is it all you would let [TS]

00:55:07   it build up then you go in and you drop [TS]

00:55:10   away at it but mostly you need to see [TS]

00:55:13   email from maybe one person [TS]

00:55:15   yeah and that's what makes your [TS]

00:55:16   situation different to most of the [TS]

00:55:18   people [TS]

00:55:19   yeah this was something which someone [TS]

00:55:22   the reddit left a comment along the [TS]

00:55:23   lines like you need a box is the perfect [TS]

00:55:26   email app if you only check your email [TS]

00:55:28   once a week that is very accurate [TS]

00:55:30   I I realized in retrospect I think i had [TS]

00:55:32   not quite really articulated that [TS]

00:55:35   whatever that really got a laugh out of [TS]

00:55:37   me because I realized as soon as i read [TS]

00:55:38   that [TS]

00:55:39   yes of course that is exactly the [TS]

00:55:41   purpose of this email app is if you are [TS]

00:55:44   checking your email all the time the [TS]

00:55:46   very feature that it is built around [TS]

00:55:48   sort by sender is almost entirely [TS]

00:55:50   useless to you [TS]

00:55:51   whereas if you are someone like me who [TS]

00:55:54   wants to check their email in box once a [TS]

00:55:57   week and then for as little time is [TS]

00:56:00   humanly possible then this is the email [TS]

00:56:03   client for you but i think is more is [TS]

00:56:05   more than just sort by sender that makes [TS]

00:56:07   it useless the grouping yeah you know [TS]

00:56:10   because i think you can have other apps [TS]

00:56:11   i know you've tried not may do it but [TS]

00:56:13   sort by sender is anything to do is just [TS]

00:56:15   a different way to sort the inbox but it [TS]

00:56:17   goes an extra step to group email from [TS]

00:56:20   the same person even if it's a different [TS]

00:56:22   thread together that's that's a whole [TS]

00:56:24   different scenario [TS]

00:56:26   yeah and that's that's what I thought I [TS]

00:56:28   totally love about it i applaud doing it [TS]

00:56:31   this way right that you have a a way of [TS]

00:56:34   wanting to manage email that is [TS]

00:56:37   different and going for it [TS]

00:56:39   I wish that more apps would do that in [TS]

00:56:41   all honesty like find of thing that [TS]

00:56:43   works for you and go for it like it was [TS]

00:56:46   one of the things that I loved about [TS]

00:56:47   mailbox right like the idea of mailbox [TS]

00:56:50   was focused around [TS]

00:56:52   what they referred to as inbox zero with [TS]

00:56:55   you is like a real twist on what it [TS]

00:56:57   actually started out as being their idea [TS]

00:57:01   was clear the email from your inbox [TS]

00:57:03   whether you are marking it is to do [TS]

00:57:06   using it for later answering it or [TS]

00:57:08   archiving it but like at the end of the [TS]

00:57:10   day have nothing in there and I like the [TS]

00:57:13   whole app was built around that ideology [TS]

00:57:16   whether it's right or wrong like that [TS]

00:57:19   was the way that they built their [TS]

00:57:20   application and that's what I also liked [TS]

00:57:21   about you know box and I wish that more [TS]

00:57:23   email applications would come with some [TS]

00:57:26   kind of overriding like theory to them [TS]

00:57:28   write some design philosophy on around [TS]

00:57:31   you know how should you handle messages [TS]

00:57:34   yep and that is exactly what my new [TS]

00:57:36   email and password which is do [TS]

00:57:38   everything to them i think is the [TS]

00:57:40   overall theory of air mail [TS]

00:57:42   how have you played of ml on iOS yes i [TS]

00:57:46   have played with airmail it is the it's [TS]

00:57:49   the white icon things like the white [TS]

00:57:51   envelope is that it yeah has an envelope [TS]

00:57:52   on it you know what I mean yeah i dunno [TS]

00:57:56   ok that is what the envelope is thin [TS]

00:57:58   blue line that airmail you know what [TS]

00:58:00   you've done to me i just said envelope [TS]

00:58:02   yeah should be envelope ok Oh terrible [TS]

00:58:06   this is what happens when you talk to [TS]

00:58:07   Americans are doing well I know mobile [TS]

00:58:09   mobile envelopes [TS]

00:58:11   this is just accent drift there's [TS]

00:58:13   there's no way to avoid this [TS]

00:58:15   I know you can you can hear this in my [TS]

00:58:18   voice [TS]

00:58:19   if you go back and you listen to my [TS]

00:58:21   early videos like you go back and you [TS]

00:58:23   listen to that you can explain video the [TS]

00:58:24   very first 1i sound like a totally [TS]

00:58:27   different person because that was the me [TS]

00:58:30   who spoke to british people all day long [TS]

00:58:32   right my accent drifted in the opposite [TS]

00:58:36   way and then since I left schools and [TS]

00:58:39   don't talk to british people all day [TS]

00:58:41   long my accent has very naturally just [TS]

00:58:44   drifted back that's much more towards [TS]

00:58:47   the normal American I wouldn't have [TS]

00:58:48   expected that to happen in schools I [TS]

00:58:51   think it's worse because you're aiming [TS]

00:58:54   when you're talking in front of children [TS]

00:58:56   to be non distracting and so I was [TS]

00:58:59   actually very conscious particularly [TS]

00:59:02   when i was teaching of having a much [TS]

00:59:04   softened [TS]

00:59:05   version of my American accent right [TS]

00:59:07   that's exactly my thinking with my [TS]

00:59:09   accent yeah i soften it down for the [TS]

00:59:13   Americans exactly because otherwise the [TS]

00:59:15   Americans will go home LOL listen to the [TS]

00:59:18   way you said that word right that's it [TS]

00:59:21   so you learn you have to talk in a [TS]

00:59:23   certain way to not distract your [TS]

00:59:25   American co-host [TS]

00:59:26   uh-huh is that isn't that what happens [TS]

00:59:29   yep that's exactly my thinking anyway [TS]

00:59:31   that's accented it happens to everybody [TS]

00:59:35   there's no way around it and you are [TS]

00:59:36   just in the funny situation that even [TS]

00:59:38   though you live in the united kingdom [TS]

00:59:39   the vast majority of words you speak at [TS]

00:59:43   this point are two non-british people i [TS]

00:59:46   mean it has to be the case right [TS]

00:59:48   oh yeah well because i tend to speak to [TS]

00:59:51   either American people while remaining [TS]

00:59:54   in person [TS]

00:59:55   exactly that's what i was thinking right [TS]

00:59:56   is that you do not even you're not even [TS]

00:59:58   normalizing back at home [TS]

00:59:58   normalizing back at home [TS]

01:00:00   there's you you're being pulled in an [TS]

01:00:02   entirely other way back at home so yeah [TS]

01:00:06   that's it should be no surprise that you [TS]

01:00:07   were saying on and have the envelope [TS]

01:00:10   envelope with an envelope envelope [TS]

01:00:12   ok extent of envelope so just after we [TS]

01:00:17   recorded our last episode in canvas [TS]

01:00:20   which is another showing real life and [TS]

01:00:21   you know which is kind of iOS focused [TS]

01:00:24   they did a whole big episode about [TS]

01:00:26   third-party email clients and Federico [TS]

01:00:29   was really pushing air mail and he had [TS]

01:00:34   previously read a big review about it [TS]

01:00:35   and I decided to check it out and I like [TS]

01:00:39   it a lot [TS]

01:00:40   I like it a lot hum it is rough around [TS]

01:00:43   the edges in places like it does some [TS]

01:00:46   weird stuff like it has some weird bugs [TS]

01:00:48   and there's some UI stuff that I'm not [TS]

01:00:50   massively keen on but I feel like and [TS]

01:00:52   I've heard there's gonna be some changes [TS]

01:00:53   which would be a bit nicer for my eyes [TS]

01:00:56   but it also does the custom imap [TS]

01:00:59   screwing around thing that's I just [TS]

01:01:01   realized that's why no air mail because [TS]

01:01:02   I've been trying to delete their custom [TS]

01:01:04   I'm app folders from my setup for a [TS]

01:01:06   while and they keep coming back because [TS]

01:01:07   it must be installed somewhere that I [TS]

01:01:09   don't know where its waking up every [TS]

01:01:10   once in awhile [TS]

01:01:11   yeah because it will do snoozing and [TS]

01:01:13   stuff but i don't use any of it like it [TS]

01:01:15   sets them up but if you just don't go [TS]

01:01:17   buy into that it will just they just [TS]

01:01:19   live there as empty labels who but what [TS]

01:01:24   I really like about this application is [TS]

01:01:26   it has tons of third-party integrations [TS]

01:01:27   so like I'm very easily able to take an [TS]

01:01:32   email and send it to only focus will [TS]

01:01:35   openly focus attach the whole text of [TS]

01:01:37   the emails and note which is so call me [TS]

01:01:41   so let's say somebody sends me ad copy i [TS]

01:01:45   can add the whole copy that they sent me [TS]

01:01:47   to the OmniFocus note reminding me to [TS]

01:01:49   write it up [TS]

01:01:50   yeah yeah that kind of thing is is [TS]

01:01:53   really nice to be able to do they can [TS]

01:01:55   send it there's just so many services [TS]

01:01:57   that plugs into and also can do really [TS]

01:01:59   powerful things with the email messages [TS]

01:02:02   like turn them into pdfs em it has [TS]

01:02:04   something I've never seen any email app [TS]

01:02:06   do in that you can take an email and [TS]

01:02:10   save it in a folder in another email [TS]

01:02:12   account [TS]

01:02:13   what say you receive so you have [TS]

01:02:17   multiple email accounts [TS]

01:02:18   ok and you get an email to see to be [TS]

01:02:20   great one gmail.com right but really you [TS]

01:02:23   would like to save it and folded it you [TS]

01:02:25   haven't CGP grey three @ gmail.com [TS]

01:02:28   ok it will let you take that email and [TS]

01:02:31   save it in a folder in the other email [TS]

01:02:32   account like it doesn't crazy stuff like [TS]

01:02:34   sending them around but it's just ok [TS]

01:02:37   it's just a weird feature that I've [TS]

01:02:39   really like because this feels like an [TS]

01:02:42   app that is made by people who deal with [TS]

01:02:44   lots of email who so it has all these [TS]

01:02:47   crazy little things that you can do and [TS]

01:02:49   they just had a new mac app update come [TS]

01:02:52   out and so this is an all-around system [TS]

01:02:54   which is all of my platforms and if I [TS]

01:02:59   want to I can snooze emails but i'm not [TS]

01:03:01   getting back into that now [TS]

01:03:03   right because I've learned to live [TS]

01:03:04   without it and I've really liked it and [TS]

01:03:07   it has one of my very favorite things [TS]

01:03:10   and it does it so well on all my devices [TS]

01:03:12   and this is my main reason seriously for [TS]

01:03:15   for sticking with this way if i can [TS]

01:03:17   remember it was email notifications is [TS]

01:03:19   that right now that was our last [TS]

01:03:21   notifications which is fine enough [TS]

01:03:23   remember notifications driving you crazy [TS]

01:03:25   that you used to have have an email app [TS]

01:03:27   setup solely for the notifications that [TS]

01:03:29   was at that was a one-time yeah but I [TS]

01:03:30   told the date notifications so good you [TS]

01:03:33   can choose to pull down and read the [TS]

01:03:35   entire email message [TS]

01:03:38   nice which I really like that but no my [TS]

01:03:41   favorite feature is you can choose this [TS]

01:03:43   it does not mark an email as read until [TS]

01:03:46   it is opened acted upon [TS]

01:03:48   oh and acted upon yes that's nice that's [TS]

01:03:52   a nice touch [TS]

01:03:53   so because i am constantly in all of my [TS]

01:03:55   email is opening a message and marking [TS]

01:03:57   it as unread again and that drives me [TS]

01:04:00   crazy because I like to leave messages [TS]

01:04:02   as unread who until I do something with [TS]

01:04:04   them who and then sometimes I'll [TS]

01:04:07   purposely mark them as read do something [TS]

01:04:10   with the email but leave it in my inbox [TS]

01:04:11   that something need to catch up on but [TS]

01:04:13   it's not unread email anymore so that's [TS]

01:04:15   my own weird system but i like that has [TS]

01:04:18   that feature and it has a bunch of [TS]

01:04:19   different things that it will do but I [TS]

01:04:22   yeah I really like this application [TS]

01:04:26   there [TS]

01:04:26   tons of settings tons every setting so [TS]

01:04:31   you can really go in and if you're [TS]

01:04:32   willing to put the time in and kind of [TS]

01:04:35   make this the email that you want to be [TS]

01:04:37   I'm really impressive is great so what [TS]

01:04:39   do you think you have found an email [TS]

01:04:41   home i think so that's that's very nice [TS]

01:04:44   plus they charge for the application it [TS]

01:04:47   but right yeah I'm with you on this one [TS]

01:04:51   as well I get nervous when apps don't [TS]

01:04:53   charge it feels like but if you're [TS]

01:04:55   important to me i would like to give you [TS]

01:04:56   money when you have to be more money [TS]

01:04:58   than you're charging because i want you [TS]

01:04:59   to be around [TS]

01:05:00   yep so that's charging is a feature for [TS]

01:05:04   important apps i think that's get you [TS]

01:05:06   are with airmail you may have found a [TS]

01:05:08   home there and since we did that the [TS]

01:05:11   last show where I was promoting unity [TS]

01:05:13   box someone pointed out to me at an [TS]

01:05:15   additional feature of uni box which has [TS]

01:05:18   now allowed it to become my only email [TS]

01:05:21   app the last time i mentioned i had this [TS]

01:05:23   funny workflow of slipping into mail for [TS]

01:05:25   VIPs and then flipping back but someone [TS]

01:05:28   sent to me that there's a feature on the [TS]

01:05:31   message list where you can pull down and [TS]

01:05:34   have it only show messages from people [TS]

01:05:37   who are in your contact book and that's [TS]

01:05:42   not exactly the same as VIPs but it's a [TS]

01:05:46   to me it's like a seventy percent [TS]

01:05:48   solution it's good enough that if I can [TS]

01:05:52   do this then I don't have to bother [TS]

01:05:54   flipping back into mail dot app and [TS]

01:05:57   using a different interface so now i can [TS]

01:05:59   just do my entire workflow in uni box in [TS]

01:06:02   one interface in one place and I'm very [TS]

01:06:05   happy so I have found an email home and [TS]

01:06:08   you have found an email home for now [TS]

01:06:11   anyway because the we always keep [TS]

01:06:12   starting oh yeah this it's the Great [TS]

01:06:14   Wheel of email ya in a week whether you [TS]

01:06:17   will be complaining about it again look [TS]

01:06:19   at it in context episode 1 i'm looking [TS]

01:06:22   at my home screen a completely different [TS]

01:06:24   email application to I'm using now the [TS]

01:06:26   application on my home screen doesn't [TS]

01:06:27   even exist anymore [TS]

01:06:29   at that ugly ugly home screen [TS]

01:06:33   restinpeace little buddy think about how [TS]

01:06:35   much better your life is after you've [TS]

01:06:37   met me you think that was a worthy [TS]

01:06:44   cortex anniversary episode Mike well I [TS]

01:06:48   mean we spoke about email [TS]

01:06:49   yep I guess it's an excellent point [TS]

01:06:56   email is central to all of the all of [TS]

01:07:00   the work that occurs in our lives so i [TS]

01:07:03   think so i think i think may be right [TS]

01:07:04   there [TS]

01:07:05   well yeah it's kind of perfect because [TS]

01:07:07   the gift for first anniversary is paper [TS]

01:07:09   and emails are just electronic paper [TS]

01:07:13   that's the traditional gift clock to the [TS]

01:07:16   modern gift [TS]

01:07:17   what do you mean [TS]