Cortex 31: Later Comes Eventually


  hey great where are you hi mike i am in [TS]

  north carolina now start of the summer [TS]

  of fun is no some summer fun with you [TS]

  get summer fun from this is this is not [TS]

  a thing what it is is a hashtag summer a [TS]

  vastly more travel than i would like not [TS]

  fun that's test the summer hashtag [TS]

  occurring here I don't think you [TS]

  understand our hashtags work [TS]

  what do you mean flow along slowly looks [TS]

  like I think I I think I'm fantastic and [TS]

  hashtags someone will use that hashtag [TS]

  but they will now someone's having that [TS]

  summer to use that hashtag little group [TS]

  of people who are I know also having [TS]

  summers of many travels and and not fun [TS]

  discussing the amount of hashtag that's [TS]

  how it works [TS]

  I use Twitter I know how the Twitter [TS]

  works Mike sounds like it but yes for [TS]

  the moment for the moment I am visiting [TS]

  my parents in North Carolina and I'm [TS]

  talking to you from my temporary [TS]

  recording studio means cool text [TS]

  messages on the way [TS]

  oh yeah summer court xmas one of the six [TS]

  annual cortex mrs. coming up very [TS]

  shortly grow it multiplies when is that [TS]

  coming up [TS]

  I don't know what I forget when is that [TS]

  what I think it's in august sometime [TS]

  okay you want the people to know that [TS]

  there's going to be a missing episode in [TS]

  August I I feel like I have to tell them [TS]

  i know you would prefer to just never [TS]

  tell them but i want to listen to know I [TS]

  think you should not tell them i think [TS]

  people should just be surprised when its [TS]

  core Texas you never know when it's [TS]

  going to be court xmas I don't think [TS]

  it's a surprise if something doesn't [TS]

  arrive I don't think like all surprised [TS]

  no episode i don't think people think [TS]

  that well I mean we know we know there's [TS]

  the regular right there's this Christmas [TS]

  court xmas of course right there's a [TS]

  summer court xmas and then and then [TS]

  there are you know maybe eight to ten [TS]

  random cortex mrs. throughout the year [TS]

  there are many attempts at multiple [TS]

  texts around the year but Mike always [TS]

  pulls me back people [TS]

  the point is trying to eke an extra [TS]

  quart xmas Adam I think innocently [TS]

  messaging him and now it's like oh no [TS]

  we're going to record a show today some [TS]

  recording show today with you and I'm [TS]

  very happy to be here Mike say something [TS]

  I was very happy about and in the rennet [TS]

  from the last episode many people who [TS]

  had applied for the animation [TS]

  illustration position in cgpgrey [TS]

  industries were posting their videos in [TS]

  the red thread which was really cool so [TS]

  there's a bunch and now I'll include a [TS]

  couple links in the show notes to some [TS]

  threads where you'll find some of the [TS]

  videos that will put in the in the red [TS]

  and it was just really interesting to [TS]

  see the different takes that people had [TS]

  and I really liked it so I'll encourage [TS]

  anybody else to post in the reddit their [TS]

  videos that they submit if they're [TS]

  interested in sharing them because it [TS]

  was really cool to see and also think [TS]

  considering how much we've spoken about [TS]

  this and you know you kind of gone [TS]

  through the process I think it adds a [TS]

  lot of context to kind of the way that [TS]

  it's going through and maybe people can [TS]

  control I insist to type of thing you're [TS]

  looking for by looking at what maybe [TS]

  didn't get through [TS]

  I think it's really interesting to see [TS]

  how its evolving I was kind of surprised [TS]

  at how much interest there was around [TS]

  this but I saw a whole bunch of people [TS]

  were seem to be having fun [TS]

  no posting those applications and and [TS]

  talking about them maybe even some [TS]

  people were like you know it was like a [TS]

  little a little group of people who were [TS]

  also each critiquing yeah the [TS]

  applications and like giving feedback [TS]

  the internet always surprises me in in [TS]

  in these ways and then this is one of [TS]

  those times in my all this there was a [TS]

  lot of a lot of interest in this and a [TS]

  lot of interesting discussion so yes if [TS]

  you are listening to cortex [TS]

  presumably this is the thing that was [TS]

  probably of interest to you since you've [TS]

  stuck with that stuck with us through [TS]

  whatever it is so far two or three [TS]

  episodes of me talking about hiring a [TS]

  person so if you were if you want to see [TS]

  a bit more of the behind-the-scenes of [TS]

  that Mike will put the appropriate links [TS]

  in the show notes whilst we're talking [TS]

  about other people promoting something [TS]

  that they're doing i would like to [TS]

  promote something that I'm doing so I [TS]

  have it I have a new project and I [TS]

  wanted to let the cortex listeners know [TS]

  about great i have a question Mike is a [TS]

  podcast it is about cars how could you [TS]

  have guessed how could you have guess i [TS]

  have to say it seems quite out of [TS]

  character for you to an enemy starting a [TS]

  new podcast it seems I am very surprised [TS]

  by this show called ingenious and [TS]

  ingenious explores weird and wonderful [TS]

  with [TS]

  superior articles so this is me and my [TS]

  real FM co-founder Steven accurate we [TS]

  did this show together and like 2011 was [TS]

  our first ever show together and we [TS]

  decided to bring it back for a new [TS]

  season when you listen to a genius to [TS]

  you will gain some interesting knowledge [TS]

  about things you'll probably never use [TS]

  again fantastic that's what we promised [TS]

  the first episode is about action park [TS]

  which is probably the most dangerous [TS]

  water park in US history [TS]

  no but that's all I'm going to say for [TS]

  now but I want to know more [TS]

  I want to know more right now where do i [TS]

  need to go for this free later femslash [TS]

  ingenious and there will be a link in [TS]

  the show notes to all right go check out [TS]

  this news a fun show is something that [TS]

  kind of different for us [TS]

  I really I really I really enjoy making [TS]

  it and I think people will enjoy [TS]

  listening to it we've got some really [TS]

  weird stuff in the pipeline [TS]

  I do i do have to say I've seen a little [TS]

  bit of the the behind-the-scenes stuff [TS]

  and I can see that you put you put a lot [TS]

  of work into this one and it sounds [TS]

  super interesting what I want to know [TS]

  mike is how on earth do you have time in [TS]

  your schedule for another podcast how [TS]

  many how many podcasts is this now in [TS]

  total that you do eat maybe eight maybe [TS]

  why I forget the number [TS]

  that can't be right one no listen lose [TS]

  them out Mike do this right what are the [TS]

  shows what do you do [TS]

  analog ok analog ananza ananza connected [TS]

  connected cortex cortex remaster [TS]

  remaster the panicked the pan addict [TS]

  thoroughly considered thoroughly [TS]

  considered ingenious ingenious and [TS]

  upgrade and upgrade [TS]

  ok so that's nine podcasts [TS]

  yeah that's a lot a lot but it's my job [TS]

  this is what I do for a living oh is [TS]

  that believe it or not I did not I did [TS]

  not realize that that that it's amazing [TS]

  i don't know i don't know how you do it [TS]

  i am super impressed that you are able [TS]

  to do as as many as you do and enjoy [TS]

  this thing to a whole bunch of them and [TS]

  i'm glad you make them [TS]

  I just I just don't know how you do it [TS]

  I'm very impressed and there's yet [TS]

  another one level and is more on the way [TS]

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  and for supporting all of real afm just [TS]

  before we started recording today [TS]

  you tweeted something that piqued my [TS]

  interest immediately it was a photograph [TS]

  of to apple devices one on top of the [TS]

  other one of them is an interesting [TS]

  color it's a space gray color and it's a [TS]

  macbook when you've bought a macbook [TS]

  have bought a macbook [TS]

  ok a macbook one the macbook one the [TS]

  little tiny one with the single USB port [TS]

  i'm recording on it right now as we [TS]

  speak oh my i finished setting it up a [TS]

  mere hour ago before we started at [TS]

  position did you like forget to bring a [TS]

  mac or something on your trip here I I [TS]

  didn't bring them back on my trip I had [TS]

  this shipped to my parents house waitin [TS]

  for me because apple stuff is way [TS]

  cheaper in america i knew i wanted to [TS]

  get one of these and so that would be [TS]

  foolish to hide in the UK and I won't [TS]

  need it to live in my parents house and [TS]

  i'm recording a podcast with Mike so I [TS]

  just had it shipped in advance waiting [TS]

  for me in a little box and then finish [TS]

  setting up this morning that I could be [TS]

  recording this podcast with you right [TS]

  now [TS]

  why did you buy this why did you want [TS]

  one when you have the macbook pro right [TS]

  okay yeah i have a macbook pro hey look [TS]

  up no judgment i have two ipads right [TS]

  like I'm just talking [TS]

  did I don't feel I don't feel judged for [TS]

  what I feel is I posted this because I [TS]

  ok so i got the this little macbook one [TS]

  and I brought with me on my travels my [TS]

  12.9 inch iPad bro and it's just funny [TS]

  when you unbox the macbook one next to [TS]

  an ipad pro because it's a tiny little [TS]

  thing it's it's a weird moment when you [TS]

  realized wait a minute i own an ipad [TS]

  that is significantly bigger then my [TS]

  laptop and my mac laptop is it so it's a [TS]

  weird little moment [TS]

  yeah and so i I just I thought like oh [TS]

  this is this is kind of interesting that [TS]

  these tooth like the size difference in [TS]

  these two things it's it feels like a [TS]

  bizarre crossover moment in technology [TS]

  like this like this should never happen [TS]

  but here we are like we're through the [TS]

  looking glass people iPads are bigger [TS]

  than max and so I just thought oh let me [TS]

  take a picture of this like I thought [TS]

  this was kind of interesting as always [TS]

  these things on Twitter you seem like a [TS]

  surprising reaction from just a bunch of [TS]

  people who are like what the hell is [TS]

  going on like what is happening what's [TS]

  this crazy is like why would anybody do [TS]

  this and so is always with the stuff I [TS]

  just find myself surprised that what [TS]

  from my perspective seem like i just [TS]

  thought about some stuff for the summer [TS]

  and I made [TS]

  the decision and I got a piece of [TS]

  equipment and then there's the seems to [TS]

  feel like people freaking out and like [TS]

  riding in the streets but like why is [TS]

  this happening I don't understand [TS]

  explain it to me I feel like I don't [TS]

  know what to explain it's all it's all [TS]

  quite reasonable from my perspective I [TS]

  think part of it comes from the fact [TS]

  that this is a controversial computer [TS]

  right that you know it has the single [TS]

  USBC port which is kind of weird and not [TS]

  widely supported and adopted its super [TS]

  thin and it's has been underpowered and [TS]

  it's a little better now and it's um [TS]

  it's just a strange computer room [TS]

  anyways the keyboard is different and [TS]

  not more than a lot of people like it so [TS]

  just seeing a seeing anybody buy this [TS]

  machine over the last few months that [TS]

  has been available this is always been [TS]

  like what is your reason for this so [TS]

  that is why it's interesting to me [TS]

  especially because a lot of the stuff [TS]

  that you do on a Mac takes em probably [TS]

  more computing power than this thing [TS]

  comfortably gives em because you use a [TS]

  mac now for very specific task right [TS]

  we've outlined in the show making videos [TS]

  recording podcasts and playing games and [TS]

  I don't think that this computer will be [TS]

  really good any of those things so like [TS]

  partly what I wanted to talk to you [TS]

  about this i just wanted to check the [TS]

  even you that we added did you think me [TS]

  out like I just didn't know what I was [TS]

  even buying it as well [TS]

  shiny right you do look how small and [TS]

  light [TS]

  I like that the first of all I was [TS]

  perfectly aware of this look let me let [TS]

  me let me let me walk you through this [TS]

  and so I've actually i was in [TS]

  preparation for the summer which I've [TS]

  been dreading for months and and [TS]

  reference many times like I have the [TS]

  summer of just a ton of flights and [TS]

  family stuff and then and just like so [TS]

  much travel occurring that I'm just [TS]

  exhausted thinking about it you know [TS]

  telling of how many how many flights [TS]

  going to do and also thinking that the [TS]

  course of this summer is essentially [TS]

  that I'm i have pretty much three months [TS]

  in a row of a very heavy constant travel [TS]

  so I'm going I'm going to be moving [TS]

  around a lot [TS]

  write a and I've been thinking about and [TS]

  and preparing for this in a whole bunch [TS]

  of ways of trying to think about how can [TS]

  I make this summer as tolerable as [TS]

  possible but all and and also a question [TS]

  of okay i know that i am going to in one [TS]

  way because i'm doing so much stuff I [TS]

  have to ramp down some of the work that [TS]

  i'm doing like I can't keep up my normal [TS]

  work schedule and then also add on top [TS]

  of it like all of this this travel and [TS]

  like family obligations and things like [TS]

  it's just it's just not possible but I [TS]

  just like but i do need to do some work [TS]

  like what's happening at this very [TS]

  moment like we're recording an episode [TS]

  of the podcast stuff still needs to [TS]

  happen and so I was I've been thinking [TS]

  about it for a while about like what am [TS]

  I gonna do what am I going to do and I [TS]

  was kind of running through all of the [TS]

  pieces of software that I use and and I [TS]

  was essentially working on an article [TS]

  trying to outline a bunch of these [TS]

  thoughts and in the process of writing [TS]

  that article i came to the conclusion of [TS]

  I I know what I can do I have a solution [TS]

  for this [TS]

  what I'm going to do is I'm going to buy [TS]

  the macbook one and bring that with me [TS]

  as my work computer for a few very [TS]

  specific tasks and while it is not the [TS]

  most powerful computer i did test out [TS]

  the thing that matters most to me which [TS]

  is podcasting on the road is is this a [TS]

  machine that can do podcasting on the [TS]

  road it's the home and actually did was [TS]

  I uploaded a couple of audio files to a [TS]

  private and anonymous dropbox URL and [TS]

  then I went into an apple store and I [TS]

  went to one of the macbook ones that [TS]

  they had on the table huh [TS]

  and i downloaded those files and was [TS]

  doing some audio editing with them in [TS]

  the store on the macbook just to make [TS]

  sure like can I do this [TS]

  can this machine comfortably handle [TS]

  doing audio and like it doesn't have to [TS]

  be the fastest thing it doesn't have to [TS]

  act [TS]

  sport these things you know at at the [TS]

  drop of a hat but can i edit audio [TS]

  without it stuttering can adjust handle [TS]

  all of this stuff and it handled it [TS]

  completely fine and i was looking at [TS]

  some of the cpu numbers on it about like [TS]

  how powerful is this compared to [TS]

  previous computers that i own and while [TS]

  people talk about how it's super slow [TS]

  but i also look back at some of the old [TS]

  computers i own and realize yes but I [TS]

  you know I've made videos on computers [TS]

  that were way slower than this thing [TS]

  currently it yes it did just get a lot [TS]

  better for the record like a lot of the [TS]

  complaints about it it's [TS]

  underperformance when it was originally [TS]

  released [TS]

  yeah and and the new one is is better [TS]

  but it's you know something like twenty [TS]

  percent better in a yeah it's it's it's [TS]

  still it's still not like a [TS]

  top-of-the-line computing machine it's [TS]

  not that but as always with thinking [TS]

  about work right and thinking about the [TS]

  way that we're doing stuff but like what [TS]

  I'm always trying to look for is what is [TS]

  the appropriate tool for the task at [TS]

  hand and this machine really seemed to [TS]

  just fit perfectly as an appropriate [TS]

  tool for the task at hand because i was [TS]

  looking at my brick of obligation my [TS]

  15-inch 30-pound macbook pro and I [TS]

  thought I will not bring you any where [TS]

  machine right especially with the [TS]

  knowledge that like what I'm doing [TS]

  tonight today that over the course of [TS]

  the summer the number of times i'm going [TS]

  to need an open this machine is maybe [TS]

  once or twice a week like I do not want [TS]

  to have to bring this incredible heavy [TS]

  bulky big thing in what I'm trying to [TS]

  make like the smallest lightest possible [TS]

  suitcase that i can bring with me [TS]

  everywhere that i go like I want to [TS]

  maximize for travel pneus and this [TS]

  machine has adequate power to do the [TS]

  things that I needed to do and if it if [TS]

  I have to let it run for half an hour to [TS]

  export an episode of a podcast because [TS]

  it doesn't do it super fast it doesn't [TS]

  matter you know AI can just let it run [TS]

  all that matters is what i'm using it [TS]

  doesn't stutter and and it seemed to it [TS]

  seem to be the case and even some of the [TS]

  complaints that people had about this [TS]

  computer about [TS]

  like the the keyboard and while I don't [TS]

  love the keyboard it doesn't matter [TS]

  because you don't write on it exactly [TS]

  doing podcasting or if I'm doing a [TS]

  little bit of animating or illustrating [TS]

  i'm not using the keyboard right that's [TS]

  like I have I brought my Amex wireless [TS]

  mouse with me to use an input devices [TS]

  like I'm not gonna use the keyboard the [TS]

  keyboard for my work is just a row of [TS]

  buttons that happened to do things if [TS]

  i'm going to type something i'm going to [TS]

  take out my lovely ipad pro and i'm [TS]

  going to write something on that because [TS]

  i love that keyboard and like and that [TS]

  thing is absolutely fantastic [TS]

  so even though it seemed kind of strange [TS]

  i came to the conclusion that this pair [TS]

  of machines my big ipad and now a tiny [TS]

  little adorable macbook is actually a [TS]

  fantastic working pair for me if I'm [TS]

  going to be doing a lot of travel and [TS]

  and I've just you know was just setting [TS]

  it up and just playing around with a [TS]

  little bit and so far it's like this is [TS]

  great like this this thing seems like [TS]

  it's it's it's well suited to the task [TS]

  and i just i absolutely love how small [TS]

  is so I so far i'm a big fan big fan of [TS]

  the macbook adorables I've gotten close [TS]

  to doing this exact thing multiple times [TS]

  for the exact same reasons that i am [TS]

  about to go on a trip and I'm going to [TS]

  be taking my macbook pro with me in case [TS]

  of podcast editing emergencies and I [TS]

  couldn't be less happy about this [TS]

  scenario [TS]

  yeah because I'm taking my 9.7 inch iPad [TS]

  pro and this like huge honkin piece of [TS]

  metal with me which feels like a [TS]

  comparatively it weighs a million pounds [TS]

  it really died because i wouldn't even [TS]

  know why i pad was in my bag it really [TS]

  does [TS]

  so I have considered this for the same [TS]

  reason of like honestly now i only use a [TS]

  mac book when i travel for podcast [TS]

  editing so really I need a computer that [TS]

  is more suited to that exact ask so thin [TS]

  and light is exactly what I'm looking [TS]

  for five held off on the macbook I was [TS]

  gonna get one [TS]

  I thought to myself when they were [TS]

  revved so the one usual [TS]

  so it'd be a bit more powerful but now [TS]

  there are like rumors on the horizon at [TS]

  the new macbook pro mhm and basically if [TS]

  that is much thinner a much lighter than [TS]

  what I've currently got it's gonna be an [TS]

  improvement [TS]

  even if it's not the thinnest and [TS]

  lightest right and it will also have the [TS]

  power that I'm used to so I'm gonna wait [TS]

  to see what that looks like but I'm [TS]

  considering doing the same thing because [TS]

  I think if anybody can draw some kind of [TS]

  like overall feeling that me and you [TS]

  both have and you know people say that I [TS]

  seem to agree of you a lot [TS]

  it's because i'm super reasonable that's [TS]

  what of course i think if we just think [TS]

  about some things in the same way and [TS]

  one of those things that mean you really [TS]

  seem to agree on a lot is having the [TS]

  right tool for the right job [TS]

  yeah and the macro that I have right now [TS]

  is not the right tool for the right job [TS]

  because it is big and heavy because it's [TS]

  powerful right it has the maximum power [TS]

  but I don't need maximum power I need [TS]

  maximum portability now right because [TS]

  i'm only using this machine when I am [TS]

  away from home so I need the best [TS]

  machine for traveling so if the new [TS]

  macbook pro too thin and light macbook [TS]

  pro isn't thin enough and light enough [TS]

  then i will go the macbook route what [TS]

  you say there it makes me think of of [TS]

  the sunk cost fallacy of where people [TS]

  overvalue investments that they have [TS]

  made in the past for thing that they are [TS]

  working on when thinking about decisions [TS]

  today and so that the like the way you [TS]

  think about it is you and I have each in [TS]

  the past bought macbook pros because i [TS]

  got mine two summers ago when i was when [TS]

  i was looking at a similar thing like i [TS]

  am going to be away for the summer but [TS]

  my work was also relatively different [TS]

  than I was planning on doing a [TS]

  significant amount of work it's like [TS]

  okay well this machine is the best [TS]

  machine at that time to to get i'm going [TS]

  to be working on a bunch of going to [TS]

  doing a bunch of animating i got was [TS]

  using it as a primary production machine [TS]

  back then it was like okay so i got that [TS]

  whatever was two years ago i think and i [TS]

  own that machine and so in some ways it [TS]

  feels foolish to just get another tiny [TS]

  laptop but it's it's a case of sunk cost [TS]

  fallacy [TS]

  see if I didn't own that macbook pro and [TS]

  I was standing in an apple store laptop [TS]

  'less and looking around and thinking [TS]

  what is the best computer for me to take [TS]

  with me this summer [TS]

  there's no way i would pick that macbook [TS]

  pro it wouldn't even it wouldn't even be [TS]

  in the running as a possible machine to [TS]

  take and that's an example like trying [TS]

  to to reframe decision-making in the [TS]

  context of now and like whatever that [TS]

  what are the resources available now [TS]

  what are the requirements for what you [TS]

  need now what is the best solution to [TS]

  solve this problem now [TS]

  like don't get don't get distracted by [TS]

  the sunk cost fallacy like oh I used to [TS]

  do things this way right or I happen to [TS]

  have this this equipment currently as I [TS]

  know what is the solution now that is [TS]

  the optimal solution for this problem [TS]

  and as you mentioned i think night it [TS]

  just occurred to me but maybe one of the [TS]

  reasons why people are no seams on [TS]

  Twitter to have a surprising amount of [TS]

  reaction to to be posting this was like [TS]

  was as you said this is what we're [TS]

  recording this probably literally days [TS]

  before Apple might be announcing new [TS]

  macbook pros like it seems very likely [TS]

  that they're going to announce new [TS]

  macbook pros at WWDC and it vaguely [TS]

  crossed my mind but but that was also a [TS]

  case of well if they announce new [TS]

  macbooks that that still doesn't that [TS]

  doesn't help me this summer right he [TS]

  even if I could literally go to WWDC and [TS]

  Tim Cook was handing out macbook pros to [TS]

  everybody and it's like I'm gonna fly to [TS]

  WWDC like it is going to hand me a [TS]

  macbook pro right like even if i could [TS]

  get macbook pros on day one it doesn't [TS]

  change the fact that well there's some [TS]

  things that I need to do before their [TS]

  announcement right it's just like well I [TS]

  i need a computer now for things that [TS]

  happened this week and if i bring my [TS]

  macbook pro that means i'm traveling [TS]

  with this macbook pro for at least five [TS]

  weeks before i come to a break we could [TS]

  like swap over machines that's not going [TS]

  to happen it's not gonna happen so it's [TS]

  yeah I think you're right it is it is a [TS]

  case of trying [TS]

  you think about what is what is the best [TS]

  tool for the job available and even [TS]

  though it's like it's a funny little [TS]

  machine and there's a bunch of [TS]

  complaints about it I'd I think it I [TS]

  think it is is the best solution for me [TS]

  right now and also thinking about the [TS]

  future of my work you know we talked a [TS]

  lot about how we have both been [TS]

  transitioning to ipad pros and doing [TS]

  more and more of our work on there and [TS]

  I've been thinking about that a lot but [TS]

  the one thing that I wonder you know [TS]

  even a year or two from now that I might [TS]

  not ever be able to get away from is [TS]

  doing podcasting on a mac for a variety [TS]

  of reasons like I'm very curious to see [TS]

  if that's a thing that I can ever get [TS]

  rid of and i'm not super convinced that [TS]

  that I will be able to do that and and [TS]

  so I i wonder if this is just going to [TS]

  end up being my new working solution for [TS]

  a very long time in the same way that I [TS]

  used to have a mac desktop and a laptop [TS]

  that I would work with that now my my [TS]

  default computer setup will be the [TS]

  biggest ipad i can bring with me and the [TS]

  smallest mac that i can bring with me [TS]

  and now this is just for the next couple [TS]

  of years maybe the default traveling [TS]

  situation I wonder this whole scenario [TS]

  is one of the best and worst things [TS]

  about doing the type of work that we do [TS]

  which is creating things that are part [TS]

  of the internet because what happens is [TS]

  you end up moving with the times and as [TS]

  computers become more powerful the type [TS]

  of work that we do on them becomes more [TS]

  complex so you end up in a scenario [TS]

  where your workflows are changing and [TS]

  the tools are changing around you so you [TS]

  buy new ones and you adapt and you [TS]

  change which is why we spend so much [TS]

  money on this stuff but it's because we [TS]

  both see it as a necessary thing to get [TS]

  the work done in the best fastest most [TS]

  productive way the interesting and the [TS]

  difficult part about being self-employed [TS]

  it is getting good just talking about [TS]

  you know getting this machine it relates [TS]

  to a bunch of our conversations in the [TS]

  past about how when you are on your own [TS]

  and when it is just you you are [TS]

  responsible for building the environment [TS]

  around you right and and and that [TS]

  environment is his things like what are [TS]

  the email clients that you're using for [TS]

  example right or how do you arrange your [TS]

  calendar or how do you think about [TS]

  routines or what are the tools that your [TS]

  you're using because there there's [TS]

  nobody else who's saying welcome to [TS]

  giant corporate co enjoy using outlook [TS]

  express forever and that's just not a [TS]

  decision that you make [TS]

  it's like every every tiny bit about the [TS]

  working world and the environment that [TS]

  you are operating in is under your [TS]

  control which is amazing but it is also [TS]

  your responsibility and obligation to [TS]

  continually reevaluate as part of your [TS]

  job [TS]

  I think it's really interesting that [TS]

  there's this phenomenon I don't have a [TS]

  better way to describe it it's how i [TS]

  noticed that things can become invisible [TS]

  to people like things that are just [TS]

  either the way they do stuff or objects [TS]

  in their environment it's like if you're [TS]

  for example like with this laptop of [TS]

  them of having an old macbook pro is [TS]

  like the macbook pro can in a way become [TS]

  an invisible thing that you just don't [TS]

  think about or you just don't really you [TS]

  ate and I feel that way about routines [TS]

  and about all kinds of tools that it is [TS]

  in the course of human life right it is [TS]

  it is just valuable to consciously cast [TS]

  the eye of your mind and the the focus [TS]

  of your attention on all of the aspects [TS]

  of your life because these things just [TS]

  become invisible and they become normal [TS]

  and you don't really value ate them and [TS]

  you don't think if I was starting a new [TS]

  today [TS]

  hey is this the way that I would set up [TS]

  things like is the way that I'm [TS]

  currently doing things now the most [TS]

  effective way to work [TS]

  it's it's just very very useful to [TS]

  consciously refocus your mind on these [TS]

  things from time to time and it's it is [TS]

  not easy to do again it's not easy to do [TS]

  but I i think it is a useful endeavor [TS]

  and it's partly why you when i do this [TS]

  show together and we know we talked for [TS]

  many hours about in some sense seemingly [TS]

  minor decisions about which which tool [TS]

  is the best under under which [TS]

  circumstances but it's because we we are [TS]

  both aware of this thing of like rethink [TS]

  your environment rethink your tools we [TS]

  think the way that you do things and [TS]

  just look about for if there is a better [TS]

  way to do what you are currently doing [TS]

  I think it's like we work a Jason to an [TS]

  industry that is constantly moving and [TS]

  evolving then that's true it's very [TS]

  beneficial for us to remain nimble and [TS]

  be willing to adapt and change so we're [TS]

  actually able to look at and and and [TS]

  work within and around the industry that [TS]

  we're focused on em at least that's what [TS]

  I tell myself when I'm spending 500 [TS]

  pounds in the app store whatever you [TS]

  gotta do man whatever you got to do i do [TS]

  have one thing to say Mike about this [TS]

  macbook adorable so we calling about [TS]

  well it's adorable it is it is like the [TS]

  you know but it's like I just it's so [TS]

  funny because I just keep thinking like [TS]

  look at this big powerful like ipad pro [TS]

  it's such a beast like it's an immediate [TS]

  work with young and then and the next [TS]

  was like I look at that adorable little [TS]

  mac i look at that little guy yeah [TS]

  that's how I feel about my 9.7 inch ipad [TS]

  i have more feelings towards it because [TS]

  he's so little [TS]

  right there and lie tangent here but i [TS]

  remember reading years ago that this is [TS]

  an actual human cognitive bias that [TS]

  humans are more forgiving of problems [TS]

  with objects that are smaller than [TS]

  objects that are bigger just in [TS]

  Adam and objects so that if they think [TS]

  that is a smaller physical object [TS]

  doesn't work perfectly humans are much [TS]

  more likely to forgive it in a big [TS]

  object that doesn't work perfectly so [TS]

  but it's like I can feel this bias and [TS]

  looking at these two devices like hey [TS]

  little guy hey little mac you up for [TS]

  recording a podcast stay like can you do [TS]

  this like let's give it go like let's [TS]

  give it a try right whereas if I was [TS]

  trying to do something on the ipad pro [TS]

  the big one it didn't work if you like [TS]

  you need to do this right every time [TS]

  buddy like c'mon were all lying on you [TS]

  hear you know it's like this is not an [TS]

  appropriate feeling for inanimate object [TS]

  but it's totally is so along those lines [TS]

  of hey buddy are you up for the podcast [TS]

  today the thing that did not occur to me [TS]

  as I was setting up the macbook adorable [TS]

  just this morning [TS]

  finishing before we started is that it [TS]

  does only have one port and how one port [TS]

  is connected to my microphone and we are [TS]

  rapidly running to the battery on my [TS]

  never fully charged macbook adorable so [TS]

  little [TS]

  will we get to the end of the show [TS]

  before my battery runs out [TS]

  stay tuned to find out we have [TS]

  sufficient time it'll it'll give me a [TS]

  warning you no don't you worry buddy [TS]

  let's just keep going let's keep going [TS]

  what's next on your list Mike you can [TS]

  hear it in your voice [TS]

  well now haha it's not to worry about [TS]

  now that I just don't think about it was [TS]

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  to a glue for sporting cortex and all of [TS]

  real afm you recently put out a new [TS]

  video which was a kind of different [TS]

  style different kind of even from a [TS]

  business perspective type of a crossover [TS]

  video with in a nutshell cuz that curves [TS]

  cuts because that we talked a longtime [TS]

  listeners war remember me and you try to [TS]

  pronounce this channel quite some time [TS]

  ago and you put together a video about [TS]

  the left brain right brain which people [TS]

  should go and definitely watch but [TS]

  rather than talking about the video [TS]

  itself [TS]

  I'm interested in why and how this came [TS]

  about this like kind of a two-part [TS]

  crossover video so I Philip who is the [TS]

  main writer behind courts because that [TS]

  he and I have been some colleagues in [TS]

  business associates for awhile i don't [TS]

  remember exactly how we met in in the [TS]

  first place but don't worry we've known [TS]

  each other for maybe about a [TS]

  year-and-a-half at this point and we had [TS]

  always just vaguely talked about doing [TS]

  some kind of collaboration that at some [TS]

  stage and and like with I think with [TS]

  many YouTube creators you don't [TS]

  necessarily know what it is that you [TS]

  want to do but it's it's useful just to [TS]

  have it in the back of your mind about [TS]

  is is there an interesting thing that we [TS]

  can do and so every once in a while we [TS]

  would just talk and sort of discuss [TS]

  projects that we were working on [TS]

  sometimes because we were trying to make [TS]

  sure we didn't accidentally overlap with [TS]

  each other [TS]

  which did occur sometimes of like one or [TS]

  the other of us trying to avoid a topic [TS]

  because we knew that the other one was [TS]

  doing it like we don't want to get [TS]

  messed up with that of you know [TS]

  releasing a video the day after on the [TS]

  same thing but it's at some point we [TS]

  eventually came across these two topics [TS]

  one of which is about how your mind may [TS]

  be composed of these separate autonomous [TS]

  smaller elements and then he was [TS]

  thinking about a video about how your [TS]

  physical body is composed of these [TS]

  separatists onimous smaller elements [TS]

  that like exist in and of themselves and [TS]

  as we were talking about it we realized [TS]

  oh this is actually this is nice like [TS]

  these are related like there are two [TS]

  sides of the same coin that they both [TS]

  are touching on the notion of how you as [TS]

  a person are not as singular as you [TS]

  think you are you are a combination of a [TS]

  bunch of smaller things that can exist [TS]

  independently of what you think of is [TS]

  you and so we were talking about this [TS]

  and thought of this this is nice like [TS]

  this this works very well together and [TS]

  so this was actually we looked up the [TS]

  first conversations about this were back [TS]

  in November home early and so just to [TS]

  give people the timeframe the final [TS]

  videos were uploaded at the end of may [TS]

  and we were working on those videos for [TS]

  that length of time you know doing other [TS]

  projects at the same time but this was [TS]

  in the works and these things can [TS]

  sometimes take quite a long time to go [TS]

  from initial discussion to final final [TS]

  completed output i think from the style [TS]

  of your videos for very different [TS]

  reasons [TS]

  ok that's why do you say that uh there [TS]

  is a level of animation in the courses [TS]

  that videos which is a very different to [TS]

  yours you know [TS]

  oh yeah and I think that you are one man [TS]

  band mom and I believe there are [TS]

  multiple people that work on the couch [TS]

  because that videos [TS]

  yeah there's a big team that works on [TS]

  those things out there and and ungodly [TS]

  amount of human hours goes into the [TS]

  development [TS]

  of those videos and it certainly shows [TS]

  in the animation i was watching the [TS]

  videos and they're like these parts [TS]

  where they create these like mythical [TS]

  beasts as it were that there are these [TS]

  the good part animal part robotic pieces [TS]

  i guess and the amount of tiny detail of [TS]

  movement mom I just can't believe it I [TS]

  cannot believe how this stuff exists on [TS]

  youtube it doesn't make sense in my [TS]

  brain [TS]

  who the caller is insane and that's what [TS]

  means that the differences [TS]

  there's a team who make incredibly [TS]

  complex things and initials you who's [TS]

  making things that are difficult to make [TS]

  for just one person right and that was [TS]

  my ends up taking even though they're [TS]

  very different the same amount of time [TS]

  yeah that that's exactly like that the [TS]

  the courses that path was a much [TS]

  straighter line than was the when there [TS]

  was the production of mine because as a [TS]

  slight behind-the-scenes thing it was at [TS]

  some point in very late februari i took [TS]

  the script that I had been working on [TS]

  for that whole length of time so from [TS]

  november until late februari and I was [TS]

  walking around and I was thinking about [TS]

  the video and then it crossed my mind [TS]

  about how to do the thing that I [TS]

  eventually did which was to film it from [TS]

  a first-person perspective as a way to [TS]

  try to explain some of the complicated [TS]

  things that are going on and once that [TS]

  idea came into my head I thought oh this [TS]

  is a really great way to explain this [TS]

  phenomenon that is otherwise difficult [TS]

  to explain but if i'm going to film [TS]

  myself doing these things i need to [TS]

  throw out everything that I've written [TS]

  so far this this whole script just does [TS]

  not work at all in this is the way that [TS]

  I'm going to explain this and so I [TS]

  started over right i started brand-new [TS]

  over i essentially halfway through the [TS]

  collaboration between the two of us [TS]

  because like nope this script won't work [TS]

  if i do it this way [TS]

  start again select all delete and start [TS]

  typing this is a superb Atlantic [TS]

  question but not have a good reason for [TS]

  it he didn't really saw over again [TS]

  though did you like I know what you mean [TS]

  but all of the work that you've done to [TS]

  that point was useful [TS]

  helping you create the final product [TS]

  faster yeah that is true right i mean [TS]

  like if you would have had this idea in [TS]

  November it may have still taken you [TS]

  that amount of time to make it you you [TS]

  are totally right and look for example I [TS]

  didn't have to redo the research exactly [TS]

  that doesn't that doesn't occur [TS]

  the reason I say just like I'm starting [TS]

  over is because as we have discussed [TS]

  before that my writing process is really [TS]

  very largely and editing and re-editing [TS]

  process and so that that that's the [TS]

  thing that I mean like I know that even [TS]

  if I'm thinking about doing it this way [TS]

  i have to do just a ton of drafts before [TS]

  it it becomes a thing [TS]

  yeah it is basically new text file kind [TS]

  of start over right yeah and it was [TS]

  really interesting because again in in [TS]

  working with Philip you know he saw some [TS]

  of the drafts you know we were we reach [TS]

  commenting on the other person's [TS]

  scripting try to help each other along [TS]

  but he he saw unfold the thing which i [TS]

  always feel when i'm working but I [TS]

  thought oh maybe I'm kidding myself [TS]

  about how basically like this basically [TS]

  have my script is not very good for the [TS]

  first 15 or 20 drafts and then it is the [TS]

  last one or two drafts where suddenly I [TS]

  feel like this is the thing all of a [TS]

  sudden and now what is good and it was [TS]

  interesting to kind of get that [TS]

  confirmed from somebody back of like boy [TS]

  what did you do between this draft in [TS]

  the last draft because suddenly this [TS]

  really feels like a thing and the [TS]

  previous ones all felt like they were [TS]

  kind of rough like you know you could [TS]

  film it and it would be fine but it's [TS]

  not really fantastic when do you start [TS]

  reading them aloud I start reading them [TS]

  aloud when there is something to read [TS]

  aloud so I usually end up writing [TS]

  depending on depending on the script [TS]

  something like 5,000 words of garbage [TS]

  let's say I've just like thoughts of how [TS]

  to explain stuff and that's that's just [TS]

  largely typing and i end up with that [TS]

  with that big text file and then that is [TS]

  the point where I just start reading [TS]

  those notes allowed in in my office [TS]

  I you know with my standing desk the [TS]

  Thunder and that's right and the Thunder [TS]

  I was actually you put this you put this [TS]

  idea in my mind I can't get rid of about [TS]

  being like you know in some sort of evil [TS]

  lair because the end when i was working [TS]

  on this at one point I really i saw [TS]

  myself like through your eyes as though [TS]

  you would be standing there like oh this [TS]

  is slightly uncomfortable like I'm [TS]

  standing in a room i am reading out loud [TS]

  a script that has to do with horrific [TS]

  brain surgery that's been done to people [TS]

  right I'm making gestures with my hands [TS]

  about how I think this is going to go on [TS]

  the screen as i am reading out loud as i [TS]

  am playing Thunder sounds and I was also [TS]

  playing like this [TS]

  classical violin album amok recordings [TS]

  number is like for a moment is like I [TS]

  see what I must look like to Mike and [TS]

  this it is let me talk about your braids [TS]

  that's there's someone inside you what I [TS]

  am still yeah like I'm hoping my hand [TS]

  like this is this music and the Thunder [TS]

  like maybe mike has a point anything [TS]

  like as a point about what you said you [TS]

  know I can't imagine someone wants to [TS]

  just come in to check something right [TS]

  they just opened the door just to peek [TS]

  in you know to say i don't know all this [TS]

  cake in the lobby and I just like back [TS]

  away maybe that happens if I don't know [TS]

  cuz ya i basically I wondered if like [TS]

  there is a correlation between you [TS]

  reading what you have allowed and the [TS]

  script getting good [TS]

  yeah it but I do i would say easily more [TS]

  than half of the drafts are done in this [TS]

  semi allowed stage or completely allowed [TS]

  to take much and it's but it's like I [TS]

  don't know what it is but I can just [TS]

  feel towards the end when something [TS]

  finally clicks of like this this is the [TS]

  rhythm like this is the exact way the [TS]

  surprising thing that often happens is [TS]

  like the very last draft i will [TS]

  radically move around a bunch of [TS]

  paragraphs the paragraphs might not [TS]

  change but I'll suddenly realized like [TS]

  oh these are all in the wrong order [TS]

  why on earth was i ever writing them in [TS]

  this order like I've been writing them [TS]

  in this order for months this doesn't [TS]

  make any sense [TS]

  this one has to [TS]

  with the beginning not the end these two [TS]

  have to go together this one in the [TS]

  middle i can just take this whole thing [TS]

  out and it's like boom suddenly it just [TS]

  kind of gels I understand that because [TS]

  you know every now and then I will have [TS]

  some kind of flash of an idea when [TS]

  editing show em like oh I could put the [TS]

  girl from ipanema in here [TS]

  mhm you know it's like this is a great [TS]

  like I get it it's like you just have [TS]

  these like random flashes of of ideas [TS]

  and then everything just starts to fall [TS]

  into place [TS]

  yeah it and the having someone else see [TS]

  the drafts as i was doing them it was it [TS]

  was just interesting to have it [TS]

  confirmed back to me that it's not in my [TS]

  imagination that this thing is occurring [TS]

  somebody else sees it and somebody else [TS]

  comments that suddenly it's way better [TS]

  and I don't know why it's like yes [TS]

  that's right perfect like great now it's [TS]

  ready to go [TS]

  I thought it was ready to go and you [TS]

  agree that this final thing is suddenly [TS]

  much better I am NOT I am NOT crazy like [TS]

  I'm not imagining that it takes this [TS]

  long like someone else sees that I do [TS]

  need to go through all of these [TS]

  revisions before it becomes the final [TS]

  thing that I'm ready and happy to record [TS]

  there's an interesting process [TS]

  considering the changes that you're [TS]

  currently embarking on in your [TS]

  production process [TS]

  mm what did it feel like to work so [TS]

  closely with someone [TS]

  well with it was just it was interesting [TS]

  to have the the feedback back and forth [TS]

  on on what we were doing [TS]

  yeah i would say like this this was in [TS]

  the YouTube world people talk about [TS]

  collaborations right doing collaboration [TS]

  videos all the time and I didn't use [TS]

  that word for what we were doing i kept [TS]

  using the word crossover the like what [TS]

  we're doing here is like a crossover [TS]

  video [TS]

  yes we weren't deeply collaborating and [TS]

  that's what made that word feel like the [TS]

  wrong word like I was not popping up in [TS]

  the middle of the courts because that [TS]

  video being like hey well you want [TS]

  narrating that one or something yeah [TS]

  like it we weren't doing those reverse [TS]

  kind of things personally I think those [TS]

  things are very hard to do [TS]

  I've seen a few that are absolutely [TS]

  amazing and I will always hold up the [TS]

  destined from smarter every day and [TS]

  Derek [TS]

  veritasium they did crossover video on [TS]

  the Coriolis effect that i think i will [TS]

  forever hold up as the most the most [TS]

  amazing example of collaborating with [TS]

  another person like they they did two [TS]

  videos that each really depends on the [TS]

  other one they did this fantastic thing [TS]

  with the timing of the videos it's [TS]

  really quite an achievement what they [TS]

  did like that is an amazing [TS]

  collaboration video but lots of [TS]

  collaboration videos i sometimes feel [TS]

  like people are just in somebody else's [TS]

  video just to be there and when I watch [TS]

  them feel like is this adding or is this [TS]

  like is like a little jarring moment but [TS]

  if the feeling suddenly changes and so [TS]

  we didn't think that this topic lent [TS]

  itself to true collaboration and so [TS]

  that's why I was always using the word [TS]

  crossover of at the end we are crossing [TS]

  over that each topic forms a nice little [TS]

  circle of this one leads into that one [TS]

  and that one leads into this one so it [TS]

  makes sense for each of us to point to [TS]

  the other at the end and so I think it [TS]

  it was interesting to do it's always [TS]

  stressful trying to time something with [TS]

  another person as well especially [TS]

  because we have vastly different [TS]

  production cycles and and it's like okay [TS]

  well we have to release on the same day [TS]

  but like how long is it going to take [TS]

  for all his animation to happen [TS]

  how long is it gonna take me to come to [TS]

  the end of creating the the scripts like [TS]

  who knows who knows how long it's going [TS]

  to take it when you're trying to [TS]

  coordinate with someone that stuff is [TS]

  quite stressful and then of course [TS]

  because i am the person that I am I [TS]

  start immediately worrying like somebody [TS]

  else is working on split-brain video [TS]

  right now we're going to upload the day [TS]

  before and all of that stuff is ya [TS]

  titles high-stakes but it seems to have [TS]

  paid off the videos are doing very well [TS]

  I think they're they're helping each [TS]

  other so I definitely worth it [TS]

  the main reason that people do these [TS]

  types of things is to guess point people [TS]

  to other channels right like I think [TS]

  that's why the business reason for doing [TS]

  this type of stuff [TS]

  oh yeah did you find that to be [TS]

  beneficial did the work that you did [TS]

  together that payoff business-wise this [TS]

  this kind of thing is is very good and [TS]

  it is also one of those cases where [TS]

  her as we have talked about before in [TS]

  some ways I'm i am this very like [TS]

  spreadsheet oriented return on [TS]

  investments person and I should be doing [TS]

  crossover collaboration videos all the [TS]

  time write like this the spreadsheet [TS]

  said she would say like do this every [TS]

  single time but i only want to do it [TS]

  when it feels like it's it's a good [TS]

  topic again it and it totally works to [TS]

  do but you can build a pretty successful [TS]

  YouTube career by intensely [TS]

  collaborating with literally everybody [TS]

  who will do collaborations with you and [TS]

  and you can see that as a kind of career [TS]

  paths on on youtube sometimes but I'm [TS]

  just pulling up the numbers here and so [TS]

  forth for people who want to know in [TS]

  terms of success metrics and subscriber [TS]

  numbers in the 48 hours after the video [TS]

  went up we each gained about 80,000 [TS]

  additional subscribers is no joke [TS]

  yeah it's a big number it's a big number [TS]

  of subscribers also limey that videos [TS]

  done well looking at a few numbers [TS]

  whoa holy moly yet wow that's this is a [TS]

  big success one [TS]

  yeah it's it's it's done it's done very [TS]

  well I think you'll find its holy moly [TS]

  well clearly i made that very clear I [TS]

  haven't looked at in awhile what is it [TS]

  up to them a 2.4 million pretty good [TS]

  pretty good pretty good [TS]

  yeah I was gonna say for comparison for [TS]

  the listeners so they have a sense of [TS]

  scale on a on a normal nothing happens [TS]

  cgpgrey hasn't uploaded a video in six [TS]

  months or something at six months haha [TS]

  one day will be six months yet one day [TS]

  will be six months hasn't uploaded a [TS]

  video in in six weeks kind of thing a [TS]

  normal day is like a thousand [TS]

  subscribers somewhere in that ballpark [TS]

  ok so this this puts it you know sort of [TS]

  again ballparking it's kind of an order [TS]

  of magnitude larger roughly sort of so [TS]

  it'sit's business-wise like this this [TS]

  kind of thing is very good to do I [TS]

  should in theory do it way more than I [TS]

  do [TS]

  but again just just the way my working [TS]

  cycle is and and also my my own quite [TS]

  laggy and long production cycles like it [TS]

  does make it hard for other people to [TS]

  work with me and it's one of the reasons [TS]

  why Phillip and I could collaborate [TS]

  quite easily because he also has the [TS]

  same kind of like a very long very laggy [TS]

  production cycles so we each know very [TS]

  well understand we are talking in [TS]

  November it might be almost half a year [TS]

  until this thing is actually done it up [TS]

  and that's okay [TS]

  21 for millions of views yeah a lot of [TS]

  people watching a video with my hands [TS]

  moving stuff around while I feel later [TS]

  it's a little weird to think sometimes [TS]

  yeah it's a little weird to think like I [TS]

  went to toys r us [TS]

  yeah I ball kylo Ren mosque ya got some [TS]

  My Little Ponies got some Rubik's cubes [TS]

  and some blocks for babies and put it on [TS]

  my business card at the guy the [TS]

  toys-r-us was like these for you like [TS]

  now it's a business expense [TS]

  I don't think he believed me well [TS]

  because what business is that so [TS]

  however that I like I think this could [TS]

  see in his eyes like a little bit of [TS]

  doubt and I was like why don't you [TS]

  believe me have a walking away it's like [TS]

  of course he has no reason to believe me [TS]

  that i need some blocks for babies for [TS]

  business expense [TS]

  why would you even ask someone that [TS]

  question like you know how many people [TS]

  goes and go into toys r us and buy [TS]

  things for children like isn't that the [TS]

  whole purpose of the store [TS]

  what a strange thing to ask and I don't [TS]

  know I don't know why clerks always ask [TS]

  stuff from stores and you probably had a [TS]

  weird look on your face right thank you [TS]

  anyway you knew you shouldn't be there [TS]

  buying those things and he could tell is [TS]

  that what you think it was [TS]

  that's what I think it was that why [TS]

  clerks always talk to me everywhere I go [TS]

  because I have a weird look at my face [TS]

  is that what you're saying you know like [TS]

  the idea that magicians when they're [TS]

  pulling somebody out of the audience [TS]

  they pull the person who looks the most [TS]

  awkward right like they can just tell [TS]

  like I'm going to get this person [TS]

  because they clearly don't want to do [TS]

  this I expect that that's the kind of [TS]

  face that you have when you're [TS]

  interacting with anybody in a retail [TS]

  environment so people just instinctively [TS]

  want to ask [TS]

  questions because you look like you [TS]

  don't want to be there hmm maybe maybe [TS]

  that's why that's my experience [TS]

  everywhere I go people want to talk to [TS]

  me about things to work on that poker [TS]

  face [TS]

  yeah but if I'm ever in a magic show I [TS]

  always do my best to give the the guy on [TS]

  stage like a death stare like I will [TS]

  look right into his eyes and lingual and [TS]

  I'm thinking thoughts like you don't [TS]

  want to pick me but I don't like looking [TS]

  right at him just like blank face [TS]

  I am NOT your person i figured that's [TS]

  like the fastest way to communicate at [TS]

  every now and then you say something [TS]

  that like the phrase is funny to me and [TS]

  this time was every time i'm at a magic [TS]

  show [TS]

  haha how often how often this is what [TS]

  you're secretly in the Magic Circle [TS]

  nobody knew I don't ever just thinking [TS]

  like a soft Penn & Teller oh I've wanted [TS]

  to do that in vegas i saw them when they [TS]

  were in in London a little while ago [TS]

  that was probably the last magic show [TS]

  that i was at i would love to see [TS]

  panatela yeah but I'm also i'm also [TS]

  thinking of like circus Olay shows and [TS]

  things like that like they're all just [TS]

  the same kind of like someone is getting [TS]

  pulled on stage like it all in my brain [TS]

  it's all filed under like magic show [TS]

  right when they're pulling someone on [TS]

  the stage like this is what this is [TS]

  even if its clowns at circus Olay or [TS]

  whatever you call them clowns [TS]

  I don't think clouds that I would know [TS]

  circus Olay has the clowns they always [TS]

  have clowns did I seen these shows yet i [TS]

  don't like clowns and I've never been so [TS]

  closely [TS]

  okay well don't go that's my [TS]

  recommendation if you don't like clowns [TS]

  don't go I'm not going I don't like the [TS]

  clouds either but it's the same thing of [TS]

  like I want to make them feel like don't [TS]

  think anybody on the weirdo in the [TS]

  audience is looking right at you with [TS]

  the dead deadpan face like I'm trying to [TS]

  signal that i am not the person you're [TS]

  gonna have a fun time with you picking i [TS]

  will be the most resistant exactly swear [TS]

  to God I will that I want a signal like [TS]

  I will be lots of trouble and no fun for [TS]

  you look elsewhere look elsewhere [TS]

  I could push stuff over today's episode [TS]

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  has recognized the cortex love [TS]

  yes yes i saw this morning I think that [TS]

  you need box put up a very nice little [TS]

  post saying that they are [TS]

  heard us talking about the app on the [TS]

  show and I really like that they did is [TS]

  they took the time to write out a few [TS]

  things discussing some of the the points [TS]

  that we brought up and showing like a [TS]

  few extra tips and tricks for those of [TS]

  you in the audience who are joining me [TS]

  in the Uni box way for the endless wheel [TS]

  of email [TS]

  basically they did a better job of [TS]

  explaining it then we did as they should [TS]

  but yeah there's the sum of the things [TS]

  that you were trying to help me with [TS]

  they do a much better job of explaining [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah reading reading through their [TS]

  article i was thinking oh that's why [TS]

  Mike and I had such a different [TS]

  experience when we set up our apps like [TS]

  I just happened to press a button and I [TS]

  didn't even remember didn't even think [TS]

  about it that there's one thing there's [TS]

  one thing in there that i really like [TS]

  which which I was just looking at like [TS]

  oh this this totally makes sense is I [TS]

  was talking about being able to swipe on [TS]

  just messaged subjects when we were [TS]

  having the conversation you were like [TS]

  that's really weird and confusing ahead [TS]

  and they were very nicely took the time [TS]

  to say you can sleep anywhere on the [TS]

  message right you don't have to swipe on [TS]

  this one little narrow strip and so I [TS]

  actually just installed on my phone just [TS]

  to try and like oh wow I don't use email [TS]

  on my phone but if you are an email on [TS]

  your phone person this you can swipe [TS]

  anywhere on the message anywhere on the [TS]

  screen and perform a couple of actions [TS]

  on on the message like boy that would be [TS]

  amazing if I was an email on the phone [TS]

  guy this is a fantastic feature so i [TS]

  would say thanks thanks to the team for [TS]

  writing up some additional information [TS]

  that we missed in our attempt to try and [TS]

  explain the app thankfully they were [TS]

  there to help [TS]

  yes hey great you know what time it is [TS]

  it is 118 in the afternoon as we are [TS]

  recording this [TS]

  now that's correct that's the answer I [TS]

  was looking for that what you're looking [TS]

  for [TS]

  yep moving on this great blouse cortex [TS]

  okay great [TS]

  Magnus wrote in gray and Magnus wanted [TS]

  to ask how does one handle to-do items [TS]

  that are dependent on another person in [TS]

  order to be completed so [TS]

  Magnus hit with his job a large part of [TS]

  it is gathering information from people [TS]

  that are not necessarily directly [TS]

  incentivize to get the info [TS]

  incentivize to get the info [TS]

  nation for him all Magnus Magnus I i [TS]

  love the way you describe that and boy [TS]

  have I been there was gonna say this [TS]

  sounds like you've got some some [TS]

  camaraderie here like yeah and Magnus [TS]

  goes on to say that they're not [TS]

  necessarily directly incentivized to [TS]

  give the information which means that [TS]

  deadlines don't exist of these people so [TS]

  how do we handle to-do items that are [TS]

  dependent on other people whether [TS]

  they're incentivized or not so we both [TS]

  use OmniFocus and i know that a long [TS]

  time ago great you'd mentioned using [TS]

  vandal list and I wonder how you [TS]

  continue to do this especially with the [TS]

  expanding organization that is great [TS]

  industries has that the good point [TS]

  oh how do how do I handle this [TS]

  um well first of all to Magnus you know [TS]

  my sympathies go out to you because we [TS]

  all know people are the worst [TS]

  you can't depend on people they take [TS]

  forever to get back to you and I include [TS]

  myself in this crew right i think i [TS]

  think of for Mike reaching out to me [TS]

  sometimes sending me a message [TS]

  it's like I get back to him later but [TS]

  like when does later come I don't know [TS]

  will be there it now don't say never it [TS]

  comes eventually later comes eventually [TS]

  so this is a problem that we all face [TS]

  and that if we look deep into our own [TS]

  selves we all sometimes also create I [TS]

  mean that the short answer is high try [TS]

  to eliminate dependencies and other [TS]

  people as much as possible to minimize [TS]

  this inevitable problem but when i do [TS]

  have something something that I need to [TS]

  keep track of like the other person [TS]

  needs to get back to me on this thing i [TS]

  have a context in OmniFocus that's just [TS]

  called waiting and this is this is a [TS]

  kind of hold over from the strict [TS]

  getting things done implementation days [TS]

  of yore that I used to do but i find [TS]

  this one little thing is is quite a [TS]

  handy of being able to mark in a project [TS]

  like the next step is me waiting on this [TS]

  person to get back to me about a thing [TS]

  and that like that's just my stake in [TS]

  the ground so that I don't forget [TS]

  because i know that i am very likely to [TS]

  forget that i'm waiting on another [TS]

  person for another thing and just [TS]

  totally lose track of it so that that's [TS]

  that's my general catch-all for people [TS]

  that I'm not necessarily formerly [TS]

  working with I still with my assistant [TS]

  we do you use Wunderlist as a as a [TS]

  shared list to keep a record of all of [TS]

  the various things that we are working [TS]

  on and she really likes that app I [TS]

  really like that app i have to say i [TS]

  highly recommend if you are working in [TS]

  probably a very small team i'm not sure [TS]

  Wunderlist would scale very well to a [TS]

  large team of people but maybe for you [TS]

  know five or less individuals i think [TS]

  it's a fantastic little app for keeping [TS]

  track of who is doing what and so I can [TS]

  assign to my assistance that is these [TS]

  little subtasks these are your [TS]

  responsibilities and then she can go [TS]

  through it and also assigned subtasks to [TS]

  me and it's very easy to see like who [TS]

  who is who is the block in moving this [TS]

  project forward and the answer is not [TS]

  surprisingly always i am but at least [TS]

  like it's clear like we know who is the [TS]

  person that needs to get back about a [TS]

  thing so I really recommend that i [TS]

  really recommend that a lot but to the [TS]

  the later part of his question I'm much [TS]

  more interested in what mike tells about [TS]

  this because in terms of incentivizing [TS]

  people I would just have to go right [TS]

  like struck my shoulders like I have I [TS]

  have no idea how to get people to do [TS]

  what you want if they are not [TS]

  incentivized to do that and so I am [TS]

  hoping to learn something from Mike in [TS]

  the very next moment about how to make [TS]

  that happen [TS]

  the incentivization portion of this is [TS]

  very difficult if you're working within [TS]

  an organization [TS]

  uh-huh this is like office politics [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  yeah that's the only way you can do it [TS]

  so in my experience there are two ways [TS]

  you can sensitize people you can even be [TS]

  really nice [TS]

  or you can loosely threaten them or is [TS]

  this is this actually your advice [TS]

  the threat usually comes in the form of [TS]

  whomever has direct line management [TS]

  control [TS]

  oh god is this like the stuff I used to [TS]

  see it schools like let's see somebody's [TS]

  boss on this like yeah that would you [TS]

  mean the only thing to do and i found [TS]

  and i would very rarely use this but [TS]

  sometimes you just gotta throw that CC [TS]

  and man if that person is refusing to [TS]

  help you and you've been as nice as you [TS]

  can be sometimes the only thing you can [TS]

  do is get the person who has the ability [TS]

  to directly incentivize good or bad get [TS]

  involved [TS]

  look this not the way around it there's [TS]

  no way around it so i will tell you now [TS]

  though i am not in a position to really [TS]

  do that with the people that I need [TS]

  things from so I go the nice route which [TS]

  is tends to be my default route anyway [TS]

  nice guy Mike good cop Mike we're gonna [TS]

  cut a good cup i'll bug people where i [TS]

  need to you know extended mouth but you [TS]

  know eventually is only so far you can [TS]

  go but i don't i don't use the CC [TS]

  anymore because it doesn't really work [TS]

  for the type of stuff that I'm doing [TS]

  Lydia I'm sorry Magnus I will say though [TS]

  just from the idea from our handling [TS]

  tasks respective i have tried one [TS]

  duelist and I agree that it is actually [TS]

  quite wonderful but so good but he stop [TS]

  that man it's awful but know that i will [TS]

  never stop my problem with it is i don't [TS]

  like having multiple to-do apps to check [TS]

  from a dependency perspective and now [TS]

  many people will point out the amount of [TS]

  to-do apps i have on my screen but [TS]

  they're different things for me they're [TS]

  like reminders and to do like my to do [TS]

  is all-in-one task management system to [TS]

  ask management system and that is only [TS]

  focused like that is where my stuff [TS]

  needs to be done goes in there things [TS]

  like take out the trash things like [TS]

  remember that TV shows on that sort of [TS]

  stuff lives in do right like I see those [TS]

  different types of things completely but [TS]

  the things that would go in an [TS]

  application like Wunderlist are like [TS]

  tasks they are things that for me [TS]

  mentally living only focus so when I am [TS]

  waiting on somebody to do something for [TS]

  me I put that in OmniFocus mmm [TS]

  it's like discussion has had and then [TS]

  task of check with X about why goes in [TS]

  my personal only focus yet tool tool [TS]

  wise I i agree with you there that that [TS]

  is the one thing that I don't like about [TS]

  using Wunderlist it is that feeling of I [TS]

  can't in OmniFocus always have an [TS]

  overview of everything that's occurring [TS]

  because they're there's this subset of [TS]

  tasks that have to live somewhere else [TS]

  because they are being worked on by [TS]

  another person and I i don't i don't [TS]

  like that split very much i would prefer [TS]

  I if an OmniFocus there was a way to say [TS]

  share a list with somebody else and I [TS]

  understand this that's not a thing is [TS]

  probably going to happen but so that so [TS]

  that is a little bit of a that is a [TS]

  little bit of a downside but yeah I find [TS]

  like it's the it's the only way to to [TS]

  keep track of that stuff but yeah in [TS]

  theory i would want absolutely [TS]

  everything to be in in one spot and I [TS]

  actually also recommend doing the thing [TS]

  that you're talking about here of [TS]

  separating out a lot of those smaller [TS]

  tasks and like those reminder tasks in [TS]

  something else and I have it's actually [TS]

  over the past few weeks i used to use do [TS]

  for that but but I've actually been [TS]

  migrating a bunch of my little reminders [TS]

  and tasks like take out the trash do [TS]

  some laundry you know that that kind of [TS]

  stuff I've been migrating them over to [TS]

  my old friend to do and and having [TS]

  taking advantage of some of its little [TS]

  reminder and nagging features to bug me [TS]

  about things at certain levels one [TS]

  interesting overpowered application for [TS]

  the classics like that [TS]

  yeah it's it is comically overpowered [TS]

  for that particular purpose and in [TS]

  theory i should be all of these names [TS]

  are terrible [TS]

  in theory i should be using do instead [TS]

  of to do is to solve this problem but [TS]

  because it's considered 325 now I'm [TS]

  gonna make an app called you do who do [TS]

  you do we do the Hoodoo [TS]

  right because all of the do apps but I i [TS]

  ran into some problems with do correctly [TS]

  sinking across my various devices and so [TS]

  I was going slowly insane with do trying [TS]

  to remind me on a whole bunch of [TS]

  different things about like to do [TS]

  laundry I guess I've ticked off on the [TS]

  laundry fun for different iPads I've [TS]

  done it like I've done the laundry you [TS]

  know just you don't have to tell me on [TS]

  every single it was kind of driving me [TS]

  crazy i can never quite get to work but [TS]

  then but then i remembered like my old [TS]

  friend to do how ridiculously [TS]

  overpowered but has rock-solid sinking [TS]

  and has better flexible reminders about [TS]

  nagging me about this thing every minute [TS]

  or every 15 minutes or every hour and so [TS]

  a lot of those kind of things like you [TS]

  know take vitamins [TS]

  I'm moving those little things out of [TS]

  OmniFocus and into to do and I quite [TS]

  liked having that division and and that [TS]

  feels quite natural in my head like oh [TS]

  these aren't projects these are just [TS]

  little reminders throughout the day it [TS]

  makes sense to handle them someplace [TS]

  else and to leave the the heavy lifting [TS]

  of project management to OmniFocus you [TS]

  know 44 wear it for where it shines [TS]

  somebody did actually asked us an [TS]

  overall scores question like if we used [TS]

  you on different devices [TS]

  I don't do that for me like I just don't [TS]

  want those things popping up everywhere [TS]

  like for me to you is a phone and watch [TS]

  app that's all it is [TS]

  yeah and sometimes I'm like I wish I [TS]

  could put this task in on my iPad but I [TS]

  know that if I put it there is that the [TS]

  notifications turned off and that's kind [TS]

  of going crazy in the background but I [TS]

  don't ya any of that so I just I've [TS]

  restrict it to phone and watch and most [TS]

  of the time I can you get the watch to [TS]

  enter the task right right way more the [TS]

  time so like I'm i'm good with that [TS]

  there i think that's a totally sensible [TS]

  solution the reason that I don't do that [TS]

  is because i am using the timer's of the [TS]

  do app that is its primary feature to me [TS]

  and I i want to on any device that [TS]

  anybody anytime be able to start like I [TS]

  am beginning a work unit [TS]

  now click 40-minute time ago and i love [TS]

  the way that reminds me that i can set [TS]

  it was just a banner across the top of [TS]

  the screen to poke me like the timer's [TS]

  up the time is up but it doesn't [TS]

  interrupt me so that's why I want that [TS]

  immediately available on every device at [TS]

  any time but then it like the the [TS]

  sinking of reminders and things can be [TS]

  crazy making so that's why it's like out [TS]

  here i am i've got to separate out how [TS]

  can like three apps with check marks on [TS]

  my on my system here you know for for [TS]

  managing different kinds of things but [TS]

  that that's that's why I went with that [TS]

  solution and then ago you mentioned [TS]

  shared tasks and only focus who if [TS]

  anything from history has shown us know [TS]

  by what did begin people the good people [TS]

  at OmniFocus they have been so [TS]

  accommodating I will not let you do what [TS]

  you're about to do I didn't say anything [TS]

  ok alright we're not saying you didn't [TS]

  see anything moving right along [TS]

  Sam asked what RSS readers you use i [TS]

  will ask do you even use one anymore [TS]

  RSS is dead and oh ok here's the [TS]

  technically my answer is no I don't use [TS]

  an RSS reader [TS]

  however I sort of have an RSS reader in [TS]

  in that there are a very few websites [TS]

  that i do follow and read but what i [TS]

  have setup is in if this then that a [TS]

  trigger that follows those RSS feeds and [TS]

  automatically dumps the articles and [TS]

  instapaper so ice sort of don't have an [TS]

  RSS reader but I sort of do because i [TS]

  have a small number of hand-picked [TS]

  websites that i want to read what they [TS]

  have and so like I guess [TS]

  instapaper is kind of my RSS reader but [TS]

  the difference is when I had a proper [TS]

  RSS reader and speaking of fantastic [TS]

  names i used reader are eedris my RSS [TS]

  reader along with my do a poor timers [TS]

  we're headed to the guys come on like [TS]

  let's have names [TS]

  wunderlist like it's a name its thing [TS]

  people can use it as a work often you [TS]

  have 200 it's not butter last night the [TS]

  but so when I did have reader re EDR as [TS]

  my RSS reader at that stage I had just [TS]

  tons and tons of RSS items for all kinds [TS]

  of things and I had little sub smart [TS]

  lists and and I like to be able to blast [TS]

  through a bunch of stuff that I follow [TS]

  that way it's like I don't use [TS]

  instapaper like that at all i think i [TS]

  have maybe five websites that are [TS]

  automatically dumping articles instance [TS]

  the paper and all of those websites like [TS]

  if they post one thing a week it's a lot [TS]

  so it's it's ridiculously low volume but [TS]

  so you don't have anything [TS]

  RSS serves one purpose in my life now [TS]

  and podcasts that's the ultimate RSS use [TS]

  it's not costing so overcast is your RSS [TS]

  reader that selectively yes it's the [TS]

  only application i use i believe that [TS]

  has any kind of RSS and I you know I [TS]

  still subscribe to a feed wrangler like [TS]

  it's still there right like i have an [TS]

  RSS thing in the background i used to [TS]

  use probably reader and unread as well [TS]

  I've used those applications in the past [TS]

  of their finance I just don't read news [TS]

  in this way anymore so what I found out [TS]

  was I would find every article i needed [TS]

  because i've read twitter who everything [TS]

  I need to see comes through there most [TS]

  of the time it's for RSS feeds that I [TS]

  was never subscribed to anyway right [TS]

  like it would be something that came [TS]

  from Bloomberg that I would need to read [TS]

  by don't subscribe to Bloomberg's RSS [TS]

  feed because it's too much or you know [TS]

  the verge I would want to know their [TS]

  stuff but in an RSS reader is like all [TS]

  he's like 50 things that I don't care [TS]

  about for the one thing that I do so I [TS]

  follow a bunch of Twitter accounts for [TS]

  you know sports I like to read including [TS]

  the blog's my friends and stuff and then [TS]

  you know like I'll subscribe to kc [TS]

  Lissa's twitter account i will follow [TS]

  marcos twitter account student org a [TS]

  like and I get everything I need to get [TS]

  that way because to officials what i [TS]

  read this where I get that stuff the and [TS]

  the idea of opening up an RSS [TS]

  application and looking at all of the [TS]

  things inside it just doesn't serve a [TS]

  purpose of me anymore [TS]

  yeah I remember when I for [TS]

  are signed up for Twitter a while ago I [TS]

  remember having the spin like I don't [TS]

  really get twitter like I was having a [TS]

  hard time figuring like what what [TS]

  purpose does this serve in my life like [TS]

  what it wouldn't exactly use for but i [TS]

  do remember at some point it dawned on [TS]

  me that oh this this is RSS for non [TS]

  nerds like that this is in some ways a [TS]

  much easier RSS like system it's not as [TS]

  complete as RSS but it's way easier for [TS]

  a normal person to sign up to a twitter [TS]

  account and follow a bunch of sites that [TS]

  are interesting to them and then be able [TS]

  to log on and see stuff and I remember [TS]

  that was the first time the Twitter [TS]

  started to gel for me of work how do [TS]

  people use this why do people use this [TS]

  and and so yeah I I used to think over [TS]

  twitter is nothing like RSS when people [TS]

  say that one has replaced the other that [TS]

  doesn't make any sense because our says [TS]

  all these features but as I know how the [TS]

  the 2i think it we really had like I [TS]

  think what really has supplanted the [TS]

  need for RSS in you know 99 percent of [TS]

  the population that would be using an [TS]

  RSS reader Joel ask what fonts do you [TS]

  using your spreadsheets or any document [TS]

  that requires formatting what's funny [TS]

  have how fantastically specific i really [TS]

  like this [TS]

  what fun to use in your spreadsheet i [TS]

  like the evo spreadsheets first [TS]

  yeah I develop that that's what's making [TS]

  me laugh is i don't i don't know it's [TS]

  bought font i use in my spreadsheet it's [TS]

  whatever the default one in numbers is i [TS]

  think i had no idea if i if I'm using [TS]

  something like it's like a numbers [TS]

  spreadsheet or a google doc spreadsheet [TS]

  or whatever [TS]

  I'll tend to just go with whatever the [TS]

  standard formatting is in stuff like [TS]

  Google Docs and quit like they have a [TS]

  bunch of options I just choose you know [TS]

  a space sans-serif font that I like the [TS]

  look of but for me like if I'm [TS]

  formatting a document for somebody so [TS]

  say like advertising proposal or [TS]

  something i'm partial to feature a venir [TS]

  and proximate over response that I like [TS]

  to use I think that they're nice [TS]

  I'm a couple of the couple of them [TS]

  actually fit in with the kind of the [TS]

  funds that we use on our website and [TS]

  stuff like that and I just like those [TS]

  fonts a lot so I would form at those [TS]

  like for external documents and stuff [TS]

  from outside of that I tend to just [TS]

  cover the defaults i'm not i appreciate [TS]

  a good-looking font but i'm not a font [TS]

  nerd in such a way that i will go out of [TS]

  my way to put a nice fun on my like [TS]

  Google sheet that tracks some rubbish [TS]

  that nobody else needs to see who this [TS]

  like that i like the way you phrase that [TS]

  like I appreciate a good-looking font [TS]

  was walking down the street you know but [TS]

  i won't go chase after that I'll turn my [TS]

  head of black you know i'm happy with [TS]

  the fonts that I've got doesn't mean I [TS]

  have to go after you that that's like [TS]

  that's what we're hearing you know I'm [TS]

  another after all with four lots of [TS]

  internal stuff I usually find that the [TS]

  default is fine you know like I I don't [TS]

  really care [TS]

  I'm but I'm trying to run through [TS]

  mentally think but there are places [TS]

  where i am picky about fonts realize I [TS]

  have three things which is to reading [TS]

  things and writing and so in my mind [TS]

  when i'm reading articles and instapaper [TS]

  well that just has to be a sans-serif [TS]

  because articles are less serious than a [TS]

  book and a book requires serif fonts [TS]

  it's like just this makes sense now it [TS]

  doesn't make any sense at all but it's [TS]

  totally a thing in my mind like I cannot [TS]

  read this book in sans-serif this book [TS]

  is not being serious enough and then if [TS]

  instapaper when i install it on [TS]

  something like if it for some reason has [TS]

  the the serif fonts installed by default [TS]

  I feel like oh come on who are you [TS]

  kidding article urs serif font right [TS]

  you're not putting on all of these [TS]

  errors with these serif now i will only [TS]

  read an article in serif fonts not serif [TS]

  font right so that so that's two places [TS]

  where I do have a preference for books [TS]

  seraphs articles sans serifs and then [TS]

  for for writing it is the one place [TS]

  where i am a little bit picky about the [TS]

  fonts that i use and i like to write [TS]

  with a good programmer font so if i say [TS]

  font is fixed with [TS]

  you know what that means yeah kind of I [TS]

  her people of explaining soon before I [TS]

  can't really see the difference in a lot [TS]

  of stuff but I understand what people [TS]

  are saying yeah that all the characters [TS]

  are fixed width apart right right [TS]

  this goes back to the olden days of [TS]

  computing and when you could fit [TS]

  characters only in certain places on the [TS]

  screens like because of the way the [TS]

  programs were written or actually what I [TS]

  thought but I think of is is like the [TS]

  old style notice boards in train [TS]

  stations where they're rolling over a [TS]

  bunch of letters and and to spell out [TS]

  the name of a town that is a place where [TS]

  you would write a4a use a fixed width [TS]

  font because you want all of the letters [TS]

  to be approximately the same with [TS]

  otherwise it will read strange if on a [TS]

  board that's flipping over letters you [TS]

  have a thin I that's just floating in [TS]

  the middle of its little box and on one [TS]

  side of it is is like a big fat 0 taking [TS]

  up all the space it just it looks weird [TS]

  if if they're not all the same size and [TS]

  for some reason when i am writing I i [TS]

  really want a nice fixed width font and [TS]

  so there are a whole family of fonts [TS]

  that are designed to to do this for [TS]

  programmers because if you are a [TS]

  computer programmer there are many [TS]

  advantages to doing to being able to [TS]

  look at the length of the line that [TS]

  something of something that you have [TS]

  written and knowing approximately how [TS]

  many characters it is knowing that you [TS]

  can compare the line above the line [TS]

  below about how many characters are in [TS]

  it and so I for a long time i have been [TS]

  using inconsolata and is the name of a [TS]

  font that I quite like four as a writing [TS]

  font there's if there's a few others out [TS]

  there but if you just if you're the kind [TS]

  of person who cares about this stuff if [TS]

  you just Google programmer fonts you [TS]

  will find there are a bunch of options [TS]

  of different fonts that you can try out [TS]

  that RR nyce for this sort of thing and [TS]

  so on the ipad for anybody who was [TS]

  wondering I because the ipad has a [TS]

  limited number of fonts there is an app [TS]

  called any font that will allow you to [TS]

  install a custom font that you can then [TS]

  use in other applications and so that's [TS]

  how I'm able to get a font like [TS]

  inconsolata onto my ipad 2 then use in [TS]

  the writing environment even if it's not [TS]

  built into the ipad by default [TS]

  Sammy lost what kind of headphones do [TS]

  you guys use which made me think you [TS]

  back to using headphones because [TS]

  remember when you you took your time [TS]

  away from the internet you also kind of [TS]

  stopped listening to stuff right so you [TS]

  weren't using headphones or maybe we're [TS]

  mean you made up that day and you didn't [TS]

  have headphones on and i was very [TS]

  confused [TS]

  au back to using headphones again when [TS]

  you're kind of walking around town when [TS]

  I walking around the town like looking [TS]

  at fonts that i have three headphones [TS]

  that i can recommend for very specific [TS]

  purposes are you ready I'm so ready [TS]

  ok big heavy-duty headphones which I've [TS]

  mentioned before on the show are the [TS]

  bose noise cancelling headphones which [TS]

  are worth their weight in gold [TS]

  when you are on an airplane and there [TS]

  was a crying baby because their noise [TS]

  cancelling can mute the sound of that [TS]

  baby and and make it like he's sitting [TS]

  way further behind than he actually is [TS]

  and those are the headphones I'm also [TS]

  wearing right now as I record because [TS]

  they're nice and big [TS]

  over-ear headphones so I think of these [TS]

  like the heavy-duty headphones i'm [TS]

  recording a podcast or i am on an [TS]

  airplane trying to artificially create [TS]

  more space between myself and the people [TS]

  around me they are fantastic but because [TS]

  the noise cancelling they are i think a [TS]

  legitimate hazard to ever wear outside [TS]

  because if you have them on you will not [TS]

  hear cars approaching you will not hear [TS]

  any kind of warning sounds it is very [TS]

  easy to be oblivious with these outside [TS]

  so I cannot recommend them under those [TS]

  circumstances i strongly believe if you [TS]

  were nice counseling headphones outside [TS]

  it is just a matter of time until you [TS]

  get hit by a vehicle [TS]

  yeah it really is i'm like that i have [TS]

  done it on occasion if I'm like I don't [TS]

  have anything else available to me [TS]

  but the first couple of times I did it [TS]

  and I had them on my head all the way I [TS]

  was like whoa you cannot do this you [TS]

  have to have one year open to the world [TS]

  otherwise it is like you're just asking [TS]

  to die that's the thrill it's all your [TS]

  doing [TS]

  but even with one head with only the [TS]

  only one here covered i still don't [TS]

  recommend it if you just don't realize [TS]

  how effective they are at making things [TS]

  sound way further away than they are not [TS]

  even noticing stuff now the question [TS]

  that you're wanting to know is like my [TS]

  walking around headphones and for those [TS]

  i recommend the jaybird x2 bluetooth [TS]

  headphones they are fantastic [TS]

  they're super small in ear bluetooth [TS]

  headphones and what i want to recommend [TS]

  to people who get them is you'll see the [TS]

  picture is where people are kind of [TS]

  wearing them dangled around in front of [TS]

  them but if you open the instruction [TS]

  book that you get these headphones [TS]

  people don't notice this but they have [TS]

  this fancy way to fold them up so that [TS]

  the headphone wire goes behind your head [TS]

  so you just you just stick the two [TS]

  headphones in your years and you can run [TS]

  the wire over the top of your ear and [TS]

  around the back of your head and those [TS]

  headphones are fantastic like i'm not a [TS]

  huge audio file so i don't care a lot [TS]

  about these like super high sound [TS]

  quality like I can't speak to that they [TS]

  seem fine from my perspective by the [TS]

  thing that I love about them is they are [TS]

  ridiculously small the battery genuinely [TS]

  last for a full workday out in the world [TS]

  and they're really light and they're [TS]

  really comfortable they take a little [TS]

  while to get used to like I push these [TS]

  on people like no you gotta stick with [TS]

  it like you gotta try it out you gotta [TS]

  just go with it is going to be weird at [TS]

  first but you can like it and and i have [TS]

  yet to fail with convincing someone that [TS]

  if you give these a shot they are great [TS]

  they're especially great for something [TS]

  like the gym I cannot imagine going into [TS]

  the gym with wired headphones at this [TS]

  point and to have like a little tiny [TS]

  pair of headphones you can just put over [TS]

  years totally out of the way totally [TS]

  hands-free it is fantastic [TS]

  although i am absolutely convinced that [TS]

  the bluetooth headphones make a [TS]

  significant dent [TS]

  in how long the battery lasts on your [TS]

  phone and her i really wish Apple would [TS]

  show like Bluetooth usage in their [TS]

  little battery drain thing because it's [TS]

  like like this i can tell this makes a [TS]

  big difference but i would love to know [TS]

  how much of a difference like how much [TS]

  of the battery is the bluetooth [TS]

  headphone using from the phone I don't [TS]

  know so that is the one downside but [TS]

  otherwise I quite like them but I have [TS]

  one more wild card recommendation like [TS]

  oh god my wildcard recommendation is a [TS]

  headphone called the tracks titanium [TS]

  have you heard of this but why are you [TS]

  laughing already [TS]

  the name sounds weird so I expect it's [TS]

  gonna be really weird [TS]

  these are bluetooth headphones what on [TS]

  uh they are not over ear headphones like [TS]

  the bose noise cancelling they are not [TS]

  in ear headphones like the jaybird [TS]

  headphones they are outside of your ear [TS]

  through the bone on the side of your [TS]

  head phone vibration type things right [TS]

  right yeah so this comes from that [TS]

  there's a demonstration that I used to [TS]

  do is a physics teacher with kids which [TS]

  met you may or may not have ever done [TS]

  this listener this may or may not have [TS]

  ever done this in school but with tuning [TS]

  forks that was fantastic to really freak [TS]

  out kid sometimes some kids reacted like [TS]

  really poorly to this which is great you [TS]

  take a tuning fork right and you strike [TS]

  it so it makes a little noise and then [TS]

  you pull up like it's a magic class of [TS]

  volunteer from the audience right like [TS]

  come up and you take the tuning fork and [TS]

  you put it against the side of the kid's [TS]

  head sort of by the ear just in front of [TS]

  its and what happens is the subjective [TS]

  experience goes from i am hearing a [TS]

  sound that is coming out from the [TS]

  outside of my head too i am hearing [TS]

  something that is originating from [TS]

  inside of my head right suddenly your [TS]

  brain has a hard time placing where the [TS]

  sound is coming from and for some people [TS]

  it places the source of the sound as in [TS]

  the center of your skull which freaks [TS]

  some people really out badly would like [TS]

  the tuning forks in my head like what [TS]

  you know is right now it's just on the [TS]

  side of your [TS]

  my problem is I'm yeah but if you think [TS]

  about the way your brain works right you [TS]

  are able to place where sounds are in [TS]

  the world and the end this effect of [TS]

  vibrating the bone that's in your head [TS]

  your brain can interpret it as the [TS]

  source of the sound is located in the [TS]

  center of your skull which is not [TS]

  normally a place that you hear sounds [TS]

  emanating from so some people react [TS]

  really really to it but the tracks [TS]

  titanium headphones reproduce that [TS]

  affect a little bit of creating a source [TS]

  of sound that feels to some extent like [TS]

  it is coming from inside your head [TS]

  it is not coming from outside of your [TS]

  head now the interesting thing about [TS]

  these headphones is that they leave your [TS]

  ears free there's nothing blocking your [TS]

  ears even when you're just wearing it [TS]

  over your head and so the reason that i [TS]

  have these headphones is because when my [TS]

  work office starts filling up with a [TS]

  bunch of people I don't want to be [TS]

  playing loud thunder sound storms and [TS]

  music in this environment so I do want [TS]

  to put on headphones but i also want to [TS]

  hear myself speak so I got these [TS]

  headphones because they don't block the [TS]

  years and so I can still hear music or [TS]

  hear thunder sounds and also very [TS]

  clearly hear myself talking while I'm [TS]

  working on a script and writing a script [TS]

  so these headphones are are very very [TS]

  strange i'm sure look at these [TS]

  headphones definitely don't add to the [TS]

  whole weirdness of the scenario that [TS]

  you're in [TS]

  yeah he's also wearing his crazy future [TS]

  advisor to that's good to know it [TS]

  doesn't feel these things don't really [TS]

  occur to me until you say the mic like [TS]

  nothing I can see this this is why you [TS]

  need me in your office [TS]

  no I do not need you in my office but so [TS]

  anyway these headphones are there [TS]

  they're very interesting [TS]

  they're very different but but this is [TS]

  going to be one of those things where I [TS]

  mentioned as the wild-card of your [TS]

  either going to love it or you're not [TS]

  going to like it at all but but like you [TS]

  maybe a person for which this sounds [TS]

  like exactly the thing you want i really [TS]

  want to try these I I do really want to [TS]

  try these [TS]

  this is because I've never experienced [TS]

  that before but I don't know if I really [TS]

  I really want to 110 pounds try them [TS]

  right next time next time we meet up [TS]

  i'll remind me to bring them along and [TS]

  I'll bring along the headphones will try [TS]

  the headphones will do the spreadsheet [TS]

  thing just like I promised I haven't [TS]

  forgotten like will do that and and so [TS]

  you can you can try out these various [TS]

  things the the apple one of the [TS]

  applications that they mentioned on [TS]

  their website which i think is really [TS]

  interesting is for blind people that [TS]

  this [TS]

  this allows if you are applying for you [TS]

  to be able to listen to a source of [TS]

  audio while not blocking the primary way [TS]

  that you know where you are in the world [TS]

  right of hearing what's going on around [TS]

  you basically so you can listen to music [TS]

  about sensory deprivation exactly right [TS]

  it's like it's one of those things like [TS]

  it would never have occurred to me but [TS]

  like yes this is this is this is a [TS]

  fantastic feature if you are blind like [TS]

  the these are the headphones you never [TS]

  knew that you wanted and must be amazing [TS]

  to use it's like I happen to have a [TS]

  particularly narrow use case for how I [TS]

  want to use these things but I can see [TS]

  where they're useful to other people as [TS]

  well as anybody uses these I be quite [TS]

  curious like why would you want to use [TS]

  them or or like what do you see cuz I I [TS]

  just kinda wonder like how many people [TS]

  buy them or how big is the market who [TS]

  who else has a need for these but i but [TS]

  i really like them and I found myself [TS]

  using them much more than i anticipated [TS]

  that I that I would so I quite like them [TS]

  some people might really hate them and [TS]

  and deeply just like the the sound is [TS]

  coming from the inside of my head effect [TS]

  so my have fun pics are nowhere near as [TS]

  interesting you should have gone first [TS]

  my know the gun first tell me about your [TS]

  boring had fun i use their pods the [TS]

  Apple earpods quite a lot because I [TS]

  always had them in my pocket so like I [TS]

  all my god could it be more boring [TS]

  Minimum Viable had fun for all times i [TS]

  have sent as Paris sennheiser MM 400ex [TS]

  stereo bluetooth on ear headphones they [TS]

  have physical controls on the side that [TS]

  I really liked so I can play and pull [TS]

  stuff they do not sound good at all [TS]

  that's the Marco recommendation isn't [TS]

  yes there is a theme for my have fun [TS]

  things here look at the theme is Michael [TS]

  on it [TS]

  the theme is somebody else told you to [TS]

  buy them [TS]

  literally he did was I was in his house [TS]

  seems like he get put them in my hands [TS]

  like they're the ones you need to buy [TS]

  and he's right because they're good for [TS]

  podcasting the terrible for music but [TS]

  they have the physical buttons on the [TS]

  side which which are really good [TS]

  I really don't like two things about [TS]

  headphones i don't like in here and I [TS]

  don't like noise cancelling for some [TS]

  reason in-ear headphones never stay in [TS]

  my left ear doesn't matter what type [TS]

  they will never stay in my left ear and [TS]

  noise cancelling makes me feel nauseous [TS]

  yeah the other noise cancelling does [TS]

  have that effect on some people of not [TS]

  feeling great and I think it might be an [TS]

  offshoot of motion sickness [TS]

  now I wouldn't i wouldn't be surprised [TS]

  if it's something like that although I I [TS]

  am increasingly susceptible to motion [TS]

  sickness but the the noise cancelling [TS]

  doesn't bother me but have some people [TS]

  just react very poorly to it they don't [TS]

  like it at all [TS]

  the headphones i am wearing right now my [TS]

  recording headphones are the bear [TS]

  dynamic dt 770 dt sep DET seven haha [TS]

  c'mon man you can do it [TS]

  tell her killer I think I can I think I [TS]

  can i buy the baby a dynamic dt 770 pro [TS]

  headphones 32 arm [TS]

  wow sounds pretty serious they will put [TS]

  on my head and marcos house right here [TS]

  going and continuing the theme i listen [TS]

  to some music and I heard things in the [TS]

  music had never heard before my only use [TS]

  these to record they are incredibly good [TS]

  letting me hear things in the audio that [TS]

  that I want to hear and they are very [TS]

  comfortable for me to wear for multiple [TS]

  hour stretches a day which is so the day [TS]

  on my recording headphones right that [TS]

  that's a requirement for you [TS]

  the one thing i don't like about these [TS]

  is the cable i really like it when the [TS]

  cable is coiled because it stays out of [TS]

  the way more this isn't I don't like the [TS]

  cable on these but everything else is [TS]

  fantastic i have some pair of bose [TS]

  headphones that i bought in an airport a [TS]

  long time ago that i use for airport [TS]

  travel just because they cover my ears [TS]

  so it's the closest I can get they're [TS]

  not great [TS]

  I don't necessarily recommend them but [TS]

  they do that job I've had my eye on the [TS]

  Bang & Olufsen h6 second-generation [TS]

  another Marco pick and a few of my [TS]

  friends of all of them and I've tried [TS]

  them and they're amazing but i only use [TS]

  headphones like this when I [TS]

  travel and I just haven't I haven't felt [TS]

  the desire to spend a few hundred pounds [TS]

  on these yet whenever my current [TS]

  traveling headphones like but the dust [TS]

  this is probably why what I will go [TS]

  ahead and buy that this is something I [TS]

  have my own but I just haven't I haven't [TS]

  pulled the trigger on it just because [TS]

  the use cases so is so slim and the ones [TS]

  that i have really do the job that I [TS]

  need them to do to be honest we have my [TS]

  headphones nowhere near as exciting [TS]

  right like I he did interrupt you there [TS]

  but we have to go and we have to go [TS]

  right now gotta go guy who [TS]

  goodbye goodbye thank you adorable [TS]

  macbook [TS]