Cortex 31: Later Comes Eventually


00:00:00   hey great where are you hi mike i am in [TS]

00:00:04   north carolina now start of the summer [TS]

00:00:07   of fun is no some summer fun with you [TS]

00:00:09   get summer fun from this is this is not [TS]

00:00:11   a thing what it is is a hashtag summer a [TS]

00:00:16   vastly more travel than i would like not [TS]

00:00:18   fun that's test the summer hashtag [TS]

00:00:20   occurring here I don't think you [TS]

00:00:22   understand our hashtags work [TS]

00:00:24   what do you mean flow along slowly looks [TS]

00:00:27   like I think I I think I'm fantastic and [TS]

00:00:31   hashtags someone will use that hashtag [TS]

00:00:33   but they will now someone's having that [TS]

00:00:35   summer to use that hashtag little group [TS]

00:00:38   of people who are I know also having [TS]

00:00:40   summers of many travels and and not fun [TS]

00:00:43   discussing the amount of hashtag that's [TS]

00:00:44   how it works [TS]

00:00:45   I use Twitter I know how the Twitter [TS]

00:00:47   works Mike sounds like it but yes for [TS]

00:00:48   the moment for the moment I am visiting [TS]

00:00:52   my parents in North Carolina and I'm [TS]

00:00:54   talking to you from my temporary [TS]

00:00:57   recording studio means cool text [TS]

00:00:59   messages on the way [TS]

00:01:01   oh yeah summer court xmas one of the six [TS]

00:01:05   annual cortex mrs. coming up very [TS]

00:01:07   shortly grow it multiplies when is that [TS]

00:01:09   coming up [TS]

00:01:10   I don't know what I forget when is that [TS]

00:01:12   what I think it's in august sometime [TS]

00:01:13   okay you want the people to know that [TS]

00:01:15   there's going to be a missing episode in [TS]

00:01:17   August I I feel like I have to tell them [TS]

00:01:19   i know you would prefer to just never [TS]

00:01:22   tell them but i want to listen to know I [TS]

00:01:24   think you should not tell them i think [TS]

00:01:26   people should just be surprised when its [TS]

00:01:27   core Texas you never know when it's [TS]

00:01:29   going to be court xmas I don't think [TS]

00:01:31   it's a surprise if something doesn't [TS]

00:01:32   arrive I don't think like all surprised [TS]

00:01:35   no episode i don't think people think [TS]

00:01:37   that well I mean we know we know there's [TS]

00:01:39   the regular right there's this Christmas [TS]

00:01:41   court xmas of course right there's a [TS]

00:01:43   summer court xmas and then and then [TS]

00:01:46   there are you know maybe eight to ten [TS]

00:01:48   random cortex mrs. throughout the year [TS]

00:01:51   there are many attempts at multiple [TS]

00:01:53   texts around the year but Mike always [TS]

00:01:56   pulls me back people [TS]

00:01:58   the point is trying to eke an extra [TS]

00:02:00   quart xmas Adam I think innocently [TS]

00:02:03   messaging him and now it's like oh no [TS]

00:02:05   we're going to record a show today some [TS]

00:02:06   recording show today with you and I'm [TS]

00:02:08   very happy to be here Mike say something [TS]

00:02:11   I was very happy about and in the rennet [TS]

00:02:13   from the last episode many people who [TS]

00:02:16   had applied for the animation [TS]

00:02:19   illustration position in cgpgrey [TS]

00:02:22   industries were posting their videos in [TS]

00:02:27   the red thread which was really cool so [TS]

00:02:30   there's a bunch and now I'll include a [TS]

00:02:32   couple links in the show notes to some [TS]

00:02:34   threads where you'll find some of the [TS]

00:02:35   videos that will put in the in the red [TS]

00:02:37   and it was just really interesting to [TS]

00:02:39   see the different takes that people had [TS]

00:02:42   and I really liked it so I'll encourage [TS]

00:02:44   anybody else to post in the reddit their [TS]

00:02:47   videos that they submit if they're [TS]

00:02:49   interested in sharing them because it [TS]

00:02:51   was really cool to see and also think [TS]

00:02:53   considering how much we've spoken about [TS]

00:02:54   this and you know you kind of gone [TS]

00:02:56   through the process I think it adds a [TS]

00:02:58   lot of context to kind of the way that [TS]

00:02:59   it's going through and maybe people can [TS]

00:03:01   control I insist to type of thing you're [TS]

00:03:03   looking for by looking at what maybe [TS]

00:03:05   didn't get through [TS]

00:03:05   I think it's really interesting to see [TS]

00:03:07   how its evolving I was kind of surprised [TS]

00:03:09   at how much interest there was around [TS]

00:03:12   this but I saw a whole bunch of people [TS]

00:03:13   were seem to be having fun [TS]

00:03:15   no posting those applications and and [TS]

00:03:18   talking about them maybe even some [TS]

00:03:19   people were like you know it was like a [TS]

00:03:21   little a little group of people who were [TS]

00:03:22   also each critiquing yeah the [TS]

00:03:25   applications and like giving feedback [TS]

00:03:27   the internet always surprises me in in [TS]

00:03:29   in these ways and then this is one of [TS]

00:03:30   those times in my all this there was a [TS]

00:03:32   lot of a lot of interest in this and a [TS]

00:03:33   lot of interesting discussion so yes if [TS]

00:03:36   you are listening to cortex [TS]

00:03:38   presumably this is the thing that was [TS]

00:03:40   probably of interest to you since you've [TS]

00:03:42   stuck with that stuck with us through [TS]

00:03:44   whatever it is so far two or three [TS]

00:03:46   episodes of me talking about hiring a [TS]

00:03:47   person so if you were if you want to see [TS]

00:03:51   a bit more of the behind-the-scenes of [TS]

00:03:53   that Mike will put the appropriate links [TS]

00:03:55   in the show notes whilst we're talking [TS]

00:03:58   about other people promoting something [TS]

00:04:00   that they're doing i would like to [TS]

00:04:01   promote something that I'm doing so I [TS]

00:04:03   have it I have a new project and I [TS]

00:04:05   wanted to let the cortex listeners know [TS]

00:04:07   about great i have a question Mike is a [TS]

00:04:09   podcast it is about cars how could you [TS]

00:04:12   have guessed how could you have guess i [TS]

00:04:14   have to say it seems quite out of [TS]

00:04:16   character for you to an enemy starting a [TS]

00:04:18   new podcast it seems I am very surprised [TS]

00:04:21   by this show called ingenious and [TS]

00:04:23   ingenious explores weird and wonderful [TS]

00:04:26   with [TS]

00:04:27   superior articles so this is me and my [TS]

00:04:29   real FM co-founder Steven accurate we [TS]

00:04:31   did this show together and like 2011 was [TS]

00:04:35   our first ever show together and we [TS]

00:04:36   decided to bring it back for a new [TS]

00:04:38   season when you listen to a genius to [TS]

00:04:41   you will gain some interesting knowledge [TS]

00:04:44   about things you'll probably never use [TS]

00:04:45   again fantastic that's what we promised [TS]

00:04:49   the first episode is about action park [TS]

00:04:52   which is probably the most dangerous [TS]

00:04:54   water park in US history [TS]

00:04:57   no but that's all I'm going to say for [TS]

00:04:58   now but I want to know more [TS]

00:05:00   I want to know more right now where do i [TS]

00:05:01   need to go for this free later femslash [TS]

00:05:03   ingenious and there will be a link in [TS]

00:05:05   the show notes to all right go check out [TS]

00:05:07   this news a fun show is something that [TS]

00:05:09   kind of different for us [TS]

00:05:10   I really I really I really enjoy making [TS]

00:05:12   it and I think people will enjoy [TS]

00:05:14   listening to it we've got some really [TS]

00:05:15   weird stuff in the pipeline [TS]

00:05:17   I do i do have to say I've seen a little [TS]

00:05:22   bit of the the behind-the-scenes stuff [TS]

00:05:23   and I can see that you put you put a lot [TS]

00:05:24   of work into this one and it sounds [TS]

00:05:26   super interesting what I want to know [TS]

00:05:28   mike is how on earth do you have time in [TS]

00:05:30   your schedule for another podcast how [TS]

00:05:33   many how many podcasts is this now in [TS]

00:05:35   total that you do eat maybe eight maybe [TS]

00:05:40   why I forget the number [TS]

00:05:49   that can't be right one no listen lose [TS]

00:05:52   them out Mike do this right what are the [TS]

00:05:54   shows what do you do [TS]

00:05:55   analog ok analog ananza ananza connected [TS]

00:05:58   connected cortex cortex remaster [TS]

00:06:02   remaster the panicked the pan addict [TS]

00:06:05   thoroughly considered thoroughly [TS]

00:06:07   considered ingenious ingenious and [TS]

00:06:09   upgrade and upgrade [TS]

00:06:11   ok so that's nine podcasts [TS]

00:06:17   yeah that's a lot a lot but it's my job [TS]

00:06:21   this is what I do for a living oh is [TS]

00:06:23   that believe it or not I did not I did [TS]

00:06:26   not realize that that that it's amazing [TS]

00:06:27   i don't know i don't know how you do it [TS]

00:06:29   i am super impressed that you are able [TS]

00:06:33   to do as as many as you do and enjoy [TS]

00:06:36   this thing to a whole bunch of them and [TS]

00:06:38   i'm glad you make them [TS]

00:06:39   I just I just don't know how you do it [TS]

00:06:40   I'm very impressed and there's yet [TS]

00:06:42   another one level and is more on the way [TS]

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00:08:29   and for supporting all of real afm just [TS]

00:08:32   before we started recording today [TS]

00:08:34   you tweeted something that piqued my [TS]

00:08:38   interest immediately it was a photograph [TS]

00:08:40   of to apple devices one on top of the [TS]

00:08:42   other one of them is an interesting [TS]

00:08:45   color it's a space gray color and it's a [TS]

00:08:48   macbook when you've bought a macbook [TS]

00:08:50   have bought a macbook [TS]

00:08:52   ok a macbook one the macbook one the [TS]

00:08:55   little tiny one with the single USB port [TS]

00:08:59   i'm recording on it right now as we [TS]

00:09:00   speak oh my i finished setting it up a [TS]

00:09:03   mere hour ago before we started at [TS]

00:09:06   position did you like forget to bring a [TS]

00:09:08   mac or something on your trip here I I [TS]

00:09:13   didn't bring them back on my trip I had [TS]

00:09:15   this shipped to my parents house waitin [TS]

00:09:18   for me because apple stuff is way [TS]

00:09:21   cheaper in america i knew i wanted to [TS]

00:09:23   get one of these and so that would be [TS]

00:09:25   foolish to hide in the UK and I won't [TS]

00:09:28   need it to live in my parents house and [TS]

00:09:30   i'm recording a podcast with Mike so I [TS]

00:09:32   just had it shipped in advance waiting [TS]

00:09:34   for me in a little box and then finish [TS]

00:09:37   setting up this morning that I could be [TS]

00:09:38   recording this podcast with you right [TS]

00:09:40   now [TS]

00:09:40   why did you buy this why did you want [TS]

00:09:42   one when you have the macbook pro right [TS]

00:09:44   okay yeah i have a macbook pro hey look [TS]

00:09:47   up no judgment i have two ipads right [TS]

00:09:49   like I'm just talking [TS]

00:09:50   did I don't feel I don't feel judged for [TS]

00:09:54   what I feel is I posted this because I [TS]

00:09:57   ok so i got the this little macbook one [TS]

00:09:59   and I brought with me on my travels my [TS]

00:10:02   12.9 inch iPad bro and it's just funny [TS]

00:10:08   when you unbox the macbook one next to [TS]

00:10:11   an ipad pro because it's a tiny little [TS]

00:10:14   thing it's it's a weird moment when you [TS]

00:10:17   realized wait a minute i own an ipad [TS]

00:10:19   that is significantly bigger then my [TS]

00:10:23   laptop and my mac laptop is it so it's a [TS]

00:10:26   weird little moment [TS]

00:10:27   yeah and so i I just I thought like oh [TS]

00:10:29   this is this is kind of interesting that [TS]

00:10:31   these tooth like the size difference in [TS]

00:10:33   these two things it's it feels like a [TS]

00:10:35   bizarre crossover moment in technology [TS]

00:10:38   like this like this should never happen [TS]

00:10:40   but here we are like we're through the [TS]

00:10:42   looking glass people iPads are bigger [TS]

00:10:43   than max and so I just thought oh let me [TS]

00:10:46   take a picture of this like I thought [TS]

00:10:47   this was kind of interesting as always [TS]

00:10:48   these things on Twitter you seem like a [TS]

00:10:50   surprising reaction from just a bunch of [TS]

00:10:52   people who are like what the hell is [TS]

00:10:54   going on like what is happening what's [TS]

00:10:56   this crazy is like why would anybody do [TS]

00:10:58   this and so is always with the stuff I [TS]

00:11:00   just find myself surprised that what [TS]

00:11:02   from my perspective seem like i just [TS]

00:11:04   thought about some stuff for the summer [TS]

00:11:05   and I made [TS]

00:11:06   the decision and I got a piece of [TS]

00:11:07   equipment and then there's the seems to [TS]

00:11:08   feel like people freaking out and like [TS]

00:11:10   riding in the streets but like why is [TS]

00:11:11   this happening I don't understand [TS]

00:11:13   explain it to me I feel like I don't [TS]

00:11:15   know what to explain it's all it's all [TS]

00:11:16   quite reasonable from my perspective I [TS]

00:11:18   think part of it comes from the fact [TS]

00:11:20   that this is a controversial computer [TS]

00:11:21   right that you know it has the single [TS]

00:11:24   USBC port which is kind of weird and not [TS]

00:11:27   widely supported and adopted its super [TS]

00:11:29   thin and it's has been underpowered and [TS]

00:11:32   it's a little better now and it's um [TS]

00:11:34   it's just a strange computer room [TS]

00:11:36   anyways the keyboard is different and [TS]

00:11:38   not more than a lot of people like it so [TS]

00:11:41   just seeing a seeing anybody buy this [TS]

00:11:44   machine over the last few months that [TS]

00:11:47   has been available this is always been [TS]

00:11:49   like what is your reason for this so [TS]

00:11:52   that is why it's interesting to me [TS]

00:11:54   especially because a lot of the stuff [TS]

00:11:55   that you do on a Mac takes em probably [TS]

00:12:01   more computing power than this thing [TS]

00:12:03   comfortably gives em because you use a [TS]

00:12:07   mac now for very specific task right [TS]

00:12:10   we've outlined in the show making videos [TS]

00:12:12   recording podcasts and playing games and [TS]

00:12:14   I don't think that this computer will be [TS]

00:12:17   really good any of those things so like [TS]

00:12:21   partly what I wanted to talk to you [TS]

00:12:23   about this i just wanted to check the [TS]

00:12:25   even you that we added did you think me [TS]

00:12:28   out like I just didn't know what I was [TS]

00:12:30   even buying it as well [TS]

00:12:31   shiny right you do look how small and [TS]

00:12:35   light [TS]

00:12:35   I like that the first of all I was [TS]

00:12:39   perfectly aware of this look let me let [TS]

00:12:42   me let me let me walk you through this [TS]

00:12:44   and so I've actually i was in [TS]

00:12:48   preparation for the summer which I've [TS]

00:12:50   been dreading for months and and [TS]

00:12:51   reference many times like I have the [TS]

00:12:53   summer of just a ton of flights and [TS]

00:12:55   family stuff and then and just like so [TS]

00:12:57   much travel occurring that I'm just [TS]

00:12:59   exhausted thinking about it you know [TS]

00:13:00   telling of how many how many flights [TS]

00:13:02   going to do and also thinking that the [TS]

00:13:04   course of this summer is essentially [TS]

00:13:07   that I'm i have pretty much three months [TS]

00:13:12   in a row of a very heavy constant travel [TS]

00:13:15   so I'm going I'm going to be moving [TS]

00:13:17   around a lot [TS]

00:13:19   write a and I've been thinking about and [TS]

00:13:24   and preparing for this in a whole bunch [TS]

00:13:27   of ways of trying to think about how can [TS]

00:13:29   I make this summer as tolerable as [TS]

00:13:31   possible but all and and also a question [TS]

00:13:35   of okay i know that i am going to in one [TS]

00:13:39   way because i'm doing so much stuff I [TS]

00:13:41   have to ramp down some of the work that [TS]

00:13:44   i'm doing like I can't keep up my normal [TS]

00:13:45   work schedule and then also add on top [TS]

00:13:48   of it like all of this this travel and [TS]

00:13:51   like family obligations and things like [TS]

00:13:53   it's just it's just not possible but I [TS]

00:13:55   just like but i do need to do some work [TS]

00:13:57   like what's happening at this very [TS]

00:13:59   moment like we're recording an episode [TS]

00:14:00   of the podcast stuff still needs to [TS]

00:14:02   happen and so I was I've been thinking [TS]

00:14:04   about it for a while about like what am [TS]

00:14:06   I gonna do what am I going to do and I [TS]

00:14:09   was kind of running through all of the [TS]

00:14:11   pieces of software that I use and and I [TS]

00:14:13   was essentially working on an article [TS]

00:14:15   trying to outline a bunch of these [TS]

00:14:17   thoughts and in the process of writing [TS]

00:14:19   that article i came to the conclusion of [TS]

00:14:21   I I know what I can do I have a solution [TS]

00:14:23   for this [TS]

00:14:24   what I'm going to do is I'm going to buy [TS]

00:14:27   the macbook one and bring that with me [TS]

00:14:31   as my work computer for a few very [TS]

00:14:38   specific tasks and while it is not the [TS]

00:14:43   most powerful computer i did test out [TS]

00:14:47   the thing that matters most to me which [TS]

00:14:49   is podcasting on the road is is this a [TS]

00:14:52   machine that can do podcasting on the [TS]

00:14:55   road it's the home and actually did was [TS]

00:14:58   I uploaded a couple of audio files to a [TS]

00:15:03   private and anonymous dropbox URL and [TS]

00:15:07   then I went into an apple store and I [TS]

00:15:09   went to one of the macbook ones that [TS]

00:15:11   they had on the table huh [TS]

00:15:13   and i downloaded those files and was [TS]

00:15:17   doing some audio editing with them in [TS]

00:15:19   the store on the macbook just to make [TS]

00:15:21   sure like can I do this [TS]

00:15:23   can this machine comfortably handle [TS]

00:15:26   doing audio and like it doesn't have to [TS]

00:15:29   be the fastest thing it doesn't have to [TS]

00:15:31   act [TS]

00:15:32   sport these things you know at at the [TS]

00:15:34   drop of a hat but can i edit audio [TS]

00:15:36   without it stuttering can adjust handle [TS]

00:15:38   all of this stuff and it handled it [TS]

00:15:40   completely fine and i was looking at [TS]

00:15:43   some of the cpu numbers on it about like [TS]

00:15:46   how powerful is this compared to [TS]

00:15:47   previous computers that i own and while [TS]

00:15:49   people talk about how it's super slow [TS]

00:15:50   but i also look back at some of the old [TS]

00:15:53   computers i own and realize yes but I [TS]

00:15:55   you know I've made videos on computers [TS]

00:15:56   that were way slower than this thing [TS]

00:15:58   currently it yes it did just get a lot [TS]

00:16:00   better for the record like a lot of the [TS]

00:16:02   complaints about it it's [TS]

00:16:04   underperformance when it was originally [TS]

00:16:06   released [TS]

00:16:08   yeah and and the new one is is better [TS]

00:16:10   but it's you know something like twenty [TS]

00:16:12   percent better in a yeah it's it's it's [TS]

00:16:14   still it's still not like a [TS]

00:16:15   top-of-the-line computing machine it's [TS]

00:16:18   not that but as always with thinking [TS]

00:16:22   about work right and thinking about the [TS]

00:16:26   way that we're doing stuff but like what [TS]

00:16:28   I'm always trying to look for is what is [TS]

00:16:30   the appropriate tool for the task at [TS]

00:16:35   hand and this machine really seemed to [TS]

00:16:38   just fit perfectly as an appropriate [TS]

00:16:40   tool for the task at hand because i was [TS]

00:16:43   looking at my brick of obligation my [TS]

00:16:47   15-inch 30-pound macbook pro and I [TS]

00:16:53   thought I will not bring you any where [TS]

00:16:55   machine right especially with the [TS]

00:16:58   knowledge that like what I'm doing [TS]

00:17:00   tonight today that over the course of [TS]

00:17:02   the summer the number of times i'm going [TS]

00:17:04   to need an open this machine is maybe [TS]

00:17:07   once or twice a week like I do not want [TS]

00:17:10   to have to bring this incredible heavy [TS]

00:17:12   bulky big thing in what I'm trying to [TS]

00:17:16   make like the smallest lightest possible [TS]

00:17:18   suitcase that i can bring with me [TS]

00:17:19   everywhere that i go like I want to [TS]

00:17:21   maximize for travel pneus and this [TS]

00:17:24   machine has adequate power to do the [TS]

00:17:27   things that I needed to do and if it if [TS]

00:17:29   I have to let it run for half an hour to [TS]

00:17:31   export an episode of a podcast because [TS]

00:17:33   it doesn't do it super fast it doesn't [TS]

00:17:35   matter you know AI can just let it run [TS]

00:17:37   all that matters is what i'm using it [TS]

00:17:39   doesn't stutter and and it seemed to it [TS]

00:17:40   seem to be the case and even some of the [TS]

00:17:43   complaints that people had about this [TS]

00:17:44   computer about [TS]

00:17:45   like the the keyboard and while I don't [TS]

00:17:47   love the keyboard it doesn't matter [TS]

00:17:50   because you don't write on it exactly [TS]

00:17:52   doing podcasting or if I'm doing a [TS]

00:17:54   little bit of animating or illustrating [TS]

00:17:55   i'm not using the keyboard right that's [TS]

00:17:58   like I have I brought my Amex wireless [TS]

00:18:01   mouse with me to use an input devices [TS]

00:18:03   like I'm not gonna use the keyboard the [TS]

00:18:05   keyboard for my work is just a row of [TS]

00:18:07   buttons that happened to do things if [TS]

00:18:09   i'm going to type something i'm going to [TS]

00:18:10   take out my lovely ipad pro and i'm [TS]

00:18:12   going to write something on that because [TS]

00:18:14   i love that keyboard and like and that [TS]

00:18:17   thing is absolutely fantastic [TS]

00:18:18   so even though it seemed kind of strange [TS]

00:18:21   i came to the conclusion that this pair [TS]

00:18:25   of machines my big ipad and now a tiny [TS]

00:18:28   little adorable macbook is actually a [TS]

00:18:33   fantastic working pair for me if I'm [TS]

00:18:36   going to be doing a lot of travel and [TS]

00:18:39   and I've just you know was just setting [TS]

00:18:41   it up and just playing around with a [TS]

00:18:42   little bit and so far it's like this is [TS]

00:18:45   great like this this thing seems like [TS]

00:18:47   it's it's it's well suited to the task [TS]

00:18:49   and i just i absolutely love how small [TS]

00:18:51   is so I so far i'm a big fan big fan of [TS]

00:18:54   the macbook adorables I've gotten close [TS]

00:18:58   to doing this exact thing multiple times [TS]

00:19:00   for the exact same reasons that i am [TS]

00:19:02   about to go on a trip and I'm going to [TS]

00:19:04   be taking my macbook pro with me in case [TS]

00:19:06   of podcast editing emergencies and I [TS]

00:19:09   couldn't be less happy about this [TS]

00:19:11   scenario [TS]

00:19:11   yeah because I'm taking my 9.7 inch iPad [TS]

00:19:14   pro and this like huge honkin piece of [TS]

00:19:17   metal with me which feels like a [TS]

00:19:20   comparatively it weighs a million pounds [TS]

00:19:22   it really died because i wouldn't even [TS]

00:19:26   know why i pad was in my bag it really [TS]

00:19:28   does [TS]

00:19:30   so I have considered this for the same [TS]

00:19:32   reason of like honestly now i only use a [TS]

00:19:36   mac book when i travel for podcast [TS]

00:19:40   editing so really I need a computer that [TS]

00:19:44   is more suited to that exact ask so thin [TS]

00:19:47   and light is exactly what I'm looking [TS]

00:19:49   for five held off on the macbook I was [TS]

00:19:52   gonna get one [TS]

00:19:54   I thought to myself when they were [TS]

00:19:55   revved so the one usual [TS]

00:19:57   so it'd be a bit more powerful but now [TS]

00:20:00   there are like rumors on the horizon at [TS]

00:20:02   the new macbook pro mhm and basically if [TS]

00:20:05   that is much thinner a much lighter than [TS]

00:20:07   what I've currently got it's gonna be an [TS]

00:20:10   improvement [TS]

00:20:10   even if it's not the thinnest and [TS]

00:20:11   lightest right and it will also have the [TS]

00:20:14   power that I'm used to so I'm gonna wait [TS]

00:20:16   to see what that looks like but I'm [TS]

00:20:18   considering doing the same thing because [TS]

00:20:20   I think if anybody can draw some kind of [TS]

00:20:23   like overall feeling that me and you [TS]

00:20:26   both have and you know people say that I [TS]

00:20:28   seem to agree of you a lot [TS]

00:20:29   it's because i'm super reasonable that's [TS]

00:20:31   what of course i think if we just think [TS]

00:20:32   about some things in the same way and [TS]

00:20:34   one of those things that mean you really [TS]

00:20:36   seem to agree on a lot is having the [TS]

00:20:38   right tool for the right job [TS]

00:20:40   yeah and the macro that I have right now [TS]

00:20:42   is not the right tool for the right job [TS]

00:20:44   because it is big and heavy because it's [TS]

00:20:48   powerful right it has the maximum power [TS]

00:20:50   but I don't need maximum power I need [TS]

00:20:53   maximum portability now right because [TS]

00:20:56   i'm only using this machine when I am [TS]

00:20:59   away from home so I need the best [TS]

00:21:01   machine for traveling so if the new [TS]

00:21:04   macbook pro too thin and light macbook [TS]

00:21:06   pro isn't thin enough and light enough [TS]

00:21:07   then i will go the macbook route what [TS]

00:21:11   you say there it makes me think of of [TS]

00:21:13   the sunk cost fallacy of where people [TS]

00:21:18   overvalue investments that they have [TS]

00:21:21   made in the past for thing that they are [TS]

00:21:25   working on when thinking about decisions [TS]

00:21:28   today and so that the like the way you [TS]

00:21:30   think about it is you and I have each in [TS]

00:21:33   the past bought macbook pros because i [TS]

00:21:37   got mine two summers ago when i was when [TS]

00:21:40   i was looking at a similar thing like i [TS]

00:21:41   am going to be away for the summer but [TS]

00:21:43   my work was also relatively different [TS]

00:21:45   than I was planning on doing a [TS]

00:21:47   significant amount of work it's like [TS]

00:21:49   okay well this machine is the best [TS]

00:21:50   machine at that time to to get i'm going [TS]

00:21:51   to be working on a bunch of going to [TS]

00:21:53   doing a bunch of animating i got was [TS]

00:21:54   using it as a primary production machine [TS]

00:21:57   back then it was like okay so i got that [TS]

00:21:59   whatever was two years ago i think and i [TS]

00:22:01   own that machine and so in some ways it [TS]

00:22:04   feels foolish to just get another tiny [TS]

00:22:07   laptop but it's it's a case of sunk cost [TS]

00:22:10   fallacy [TS]

00:22:11   see if I didn't own that macbook pro and [TS]

00:22:15   I was standing in an apple store laptop [TS]

00:22:17   'less and looking around and thinking [TS]

00:22:20   what is the best computer for me to take [TS]

00:22:23   with me this summer [TS]

00:22:25   there's no way i would pick that macbook [TS]

00:22:28   pro it wouldn't even it wouldn't even be [TS]

00:22:30   in the running as a possible machine to [TS]

00:22:33   take and that's an example like trying [TS]

00:22:36   to to reframe decision-making in the [TS]

00:22:40   context of now and like whatever that [TS]

00:22:44   what are the resources available now [TS]

00:22:45   what are the requirements for what you [TS]

00:22:47   need now what is the best solution to [TS]

00:22:49   solve this problem now [TS]

00:22:51   like don't get don't get distracted by [TS]

00:22:53   the sunk cost fallacy like oh I used to [TS]

00:22:55   do things this way right or I happen to [TS]

00:22:57   have this this equipment currently as I [TS]

00:22:59   know what is the solution now that is [TS]

00:23:03   the optimal solution for this problem [TS]

00:23:05   and as you mentioned i think night it [TS]

00:23:09   just occurred to me but maybe one of the [TS]

00:23:10   reasons why people are no seams on [TS]

00:23:12   Twitter to have a surprising amount of [TS]

00:23:15   reaction to to be posting this was like [TS]

00:23:18   was as you said this is what we're [TS]

00:23:21   recording this probably literally days [TS]

00:23:23   before Apple might be announcing new [TS]

00:23:25   macbook pros like it seems very likely [TS]

00:23:27   that they're going to announce new [TS]

00:23:29   macbook pros at WWDC and it vaguely [TS]

00:23:33   crossed my mind but but that was also a [TS]

00:23:35   case of well if they announce new [TS]

00:23:37   macbooks that that still doesn't that [TS]

00:23:40   doesn't help me this summer right he [TS]

00:23:41   even if I could literally go to WWDC and [TS]

00:23:45   Tim Cook was handing out macbook pros to [TS]

00:23:47   everybody and it's like I'm gonna fly to [TS]

00:23:48   WWDC like it is going to hand me a [TS]

00:23:50   macbook pro right like even if i could [TS]

00:23:54   get macbook pros on day one it doesn't [TS]

00:23:58   change the fact that well there's some [TS]

00:23:59   things that I need to do before their [TS]

00:24:01   announcement right it's just like well I [TS]

00:24:04   i need a computer now for things that [TS]

00:24:07   happened this week and if i bring my [TS]

00:24:10   macbook pro that means i'm traveling [TS]

00:24:12   with this macbook pro for at least five [TS]

00:24:16   weeks before i come to a break we could [TS]

00:24:18   like swap over machines that's not going [TS]

00:24:20   to happen it's not gonna happen so it's [TS]

00:24:22   yeah I think you're right it is it is a [TS]

00:24:24   case of trying [TS]

00:24:24   you think about what is what is the best [TS]

00:24:27   tool for the job available and even [TS]

00:24:31   though it's like it's a funny little [TS]

00:24:33   machine and there's a bunch of [TS]

00:24:34   complaints about it I'd I think it I [TS]

00:24:36   think it is is the best solution for me [TS]

00:24:38   right now and also thinking about the [TS]

00:24:40   future of my work you know we talked a [TS]

00:24:44   lot about how we have both been [TS]

00:24:46   transitioning to ipad pros and doing [TS]

00:24:48   more and more of our work on there and [TS]

00:24:51   I've been thinking about that a lot but [TS]

00:24:53   the one thing that I wonder you know [TS]

00:24:56   even a year or two from now that I might [TS]

00:24:59   not ever be able to get away from is [TS]

00:25:01   doing podcasting on a mac for a variety [TS]

00:25:04   of reasons like I'm very curious to see [TS]

00:25:07   if that's a thing that I can ever get [TS]

00:25:08   rid of and i'm not super convinced that [TS]

00:25:12   that I will be able to do that and and [TS]

00:25:15   so I i wonder if this is just going to [TS]

00:25:18   end up being my new working solution for [TS]

00:25:21   a very long time in the same way that I [TS]

00:25:23   used to have a mac desktop and a laptop [TS]

00:25:26   that I would work with that now my my [TS]

00:25:29   default computer setup will be the [TS]

00:25:32   biggest ipad i can bring with me and the [TS]

00:25:34   smallest mac that i can bring with me [TS]

00:25:36   and now this is just for the next couple [TS]

00:25:39   of years maybe the default traveling [TS]

00:25:41   situation I wonder this whole scenario [TS]

00:25:44   is one of the best and worst things [TS]

00:25:47   about doing the type of work that we do [TS]

00:25:49   which is creating things that are part [TS]

00:25:53   of the internet because what happens is [TS]

00:25:56   you end up moving with the times and as [TS]

00:26:01   computers become more powerful the type [TS]

00:26:03   of work that we do on them becomes more [TS]

00:26:05   complex so you end up in a scenario [TS]

00:26:08   where your workflows are changing and [TS]

00:26:12   the tools are changing around you so you [TS]

00:26:15   buy new ones and you adapt and you [TS]

00:26:17   change which is why we spend so much [TS]

00:26:20   money on this stuff but it's because we [TS]

00:26:23   both see it as a necessary thing to get [TS]

00:26:27   the work done in the best fastest most [TS]

00:26:31   productive way the interesting and the [TS]

00:26:34   difficult part about being self-employed [TS]

00:26:38   it is getting good just talking about [TS]

00:26:44   you know getting this machine it relates [TS]

00:26:45   to a bunch of our conversations in the [TS]

00:26:47   past about how when you are on your own [TS]

00:26:49   and when it is just you you are [TS]

00:26:53   responsible for building the environment [TS]

00:26:56   around you right and and and that [TS]

00:26:59   environment is his things like what are [TS]

00:27:04   the email clients that you're using for [TS]

00:27:06   example right or how do you arrange your [TS]

00:27:09   calendar or how do you think about [TS]

00:27:11   routines or what are the tools that your [TS]

00:27:14   you're using because there there's [TS]

00:27:16   nobody else who's saying welcome to [TS]

00:27:19   giant corporate co enjoy using outlook [TS]

00:27:23   express forever and that's just not a [TS]

00:27:25   decision that you make [TS]

00:27:26   it's like every every tiny bit about the [TS]

00:27:30   working world and the environment that [TS]

00:27:32   you are operating in is under your [TS]

00:27:37   control which is amazing but it is also [TS]

00:27:40   your responsibility and obligation to [TS]

00:27:45   continually reevaluate as part of your [TS]

00:27:49   job [TS]

00:27:50   I think it's really interesting that [TS]

00:27:51   there's this phenomenon I don't have a [TS]

00:27:53   better way to describe it it's how i [TS]

00:27:56   noticed that things can become invisible [TS]

00:28:00   to people like things that are just [TS]

00:28:02   either the way they do stuff or objects [TS]

00:28:06   in their environment it's like if you're [TS]

00:28:08   for example like with this laptop of [TS]

00:28:10   them of having an old macbook pro is [TS]

00:28:13   like the macbook pro can in a way become [TS]

00:28:15   an invisible thing that you just don't [TS]

00:28:17   think about or you just don't really you [TS]

00:28:19   ate and I feel that way about routines [TS]

00:28:22   and about all kinds of tools that it is [TS]

00:28:24   in the course of human life right it is [TS]

00:28:28   it is just valuable to consciously cast [TS]

00:28:33   the eye of your mind and the the focus [TS]

00:28:38   of your attention on all of the aspects [TS]

00:28:41   of your life because these things just [TS]

00:28:44   become invisible and they become normal [TS]

00:28:46   and you don't really value ate them and [TS]

00:28:48   you don't think if I was starting a new [TS]

00:28:51   today [TS]

00:28:52   hey is this the way that I would set up [TS]

00:28:54   things like is the way that I'm [TS]

00:28:56   currently doing things now the most [TS]

00:28:58   effective way to work [TS]

00:28:59   it's it's just very very useful to [TS]

00:29:02   consciously refocus your mind on these [TS]

00:29:05   things from time to time and it's it is [TS]

00:29:07   not easy to do again it's not easy to do [TS]

00:29:09   but I i think it is a useful endeavor [TS]

00:29:13   and it's partly why you when i do this [TS]

00:29:16   show together and we know we talked for [TS]

00:29:18   many hours about in some sense seemingly [TS]

00:29:21   minor decisions about which which tool [TS]

00:29:23   is the best under under which [TS]

00:29:24   circumstances but it's because we we are [TS]

00:29:27   both aware of this thing of like rethink [TS]

00:29:29   your environment rethink your tools we [TS]

00:29:32   think the way that you do things and [TS]

00:29:34   just look about for if there is a better [TS]

00:29:37   way to do what you are currently doing [TS]

00:29:41   I think it's like we work a Jason to an [TS]

00:29:45   industry that is constantly moving and [TS]

00:29:48   evolving then that's true it's very [TS]

00:29:51   beneficial for us to remain nimble and [TS]

00:29:56   be willing to adapt and change so we're [TS]

00:29:59   actually able to look at and and and [TS]

00:30:01   work within and around the industry that [TS]

00:30:03   we're focused on em at least that's what [TS]

00:30:06   I tell myself when I'm spending 500 [TS]

00:30:08   pounds in the app store whatever you [TS]

00:30:15   gotta do man whatever you got to do i do [TS]

00:30:19   have one thing to say Mike about this [TS]

00:30:21   macbook adorable so we calling about [TS]

00:30:24   well it's adorable it is it is like the [TS]

00:30:27   you know but it's like I just it's so [TS]

00:30:30   funny because I just keep thinking like [TS]

00:30:31   look at this big powerful like ipad pro [TS]

00:30:34   it's such a beast like it's an immediate [TS]

00:30:35   work with young and then and the next [TS]

00:30:37   was like I look at that adorable little [TS]

00:30:39   mac i look at that little guy yeah [TS]

00:30:42   that's how I feel about my 9.7 inch ipad [TS]

00:30:45   i have more feelings towards it because [TS]

00:30:47   he's so little [TS]

00:30:48   right there and lie tangent here but i [TS]

00:30:52   remember reading years ago that this is [TS]

00:30:55   an actual human cognitive bias that [TS]

00:30:58   humans are more forgiving of problems [TS]

00:31:02   with objects that are smaller than [TS]

00:31:03   objects that are bigger just in [TS]

00:31:05   Adam and objects so that if they think [TS]

00:31:07   that is a smaller physical object [TS]

00:31:09   doesn't work perfectly humans are much [TS]

00:31:11   more likely to forgive it in a big [TS]

00:31:12   object that doesn't work perfectly so [TS]

00:31:15   but it's like I can feel this bias and [TS]

00:31:17   looking at these two devices like hey [TS]

00:31:20   little guy hey little mac you up for [TS]

00:31:22   recording a podcast stay like can you do [TS]

00:31:24   this like let's give it go like let's [TS]

00:31:25   give it a try right whereas if I was [TS]

00:31:27   trying to do something on the ipad pro [TS]

00:31:28   the big one it didn't work if you like [TS]

00:31:30   you need to do this right every time [TS]

00:31:31   buddy like c'mon were all lying on you [TS]

00:31:33   hear you know it's like this is not an [TS]

00:31:35   appropriate feeling for inanimate object [TS]

00:31:37   but it's totally is so along those lines [TS]

00:31:40   of hey buddy are you up for the podcast [TS]

00:31:42   today the thing that did not occur to me [TS]

00:31:45   as I was setting up the macbook adorable [TS]

00:31:47   just this morning [TS]

00:31:49   finishing before we started is that it [TS]

00:31:52   does only have one port and how one port [TS]

00:31:55   is connected to my microphone and we are [TS]

00:31:59   rapidly running to the battery on my [TS]

00:32:03   never fully charged macbook adorable so [TS]

00:32:07   little [TS]

00:32:08   will we get to the end of the show [TS]

00:32:10   before my battery runs out [TS]

00:32:12   stay tuned to find out we have [TS]

00:32:14   sufficient time it'll it'll give me a [TS]

00:32:17   warning you no don't you worry buddy [TS]

00:32:19   let's just keep going let's keep going [TS]

00:32:21   what's next on your list Mike you can [TS]

00:32:27   hear it in your voice [TS]

00:32:28   well now haha it's not to worry about [TS]

00:32:31   now that I just don't think about it was [TS]

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00:33:57   to a glue for sporting cortex and all of [TS]

00:33:59   real afm you recently put out a new [TS]

00:34:02   video which was a kind of different [TS]

00:34:05   style different kind of even from a [TS]

00:34:08   business perspective type of a crossover [TS]

00:34:11   video with in a nutshell cuz that curves [TS]

00:34:16   cuts because that we talked a longtime [TS]

00:34:18   listeners war remember me and you try to [TS]

00:34:20   pronounce this channel quite some time [TS]

00:34:23   ago and you put together a video about [TS]

00:34:26   the left brain right brain which people [TS]

00:34:28   should go and definitely watch but [TS]

00:34:30   rather than talking about the video [TS]

00:34:32   itself [TS]

00:34:33   I'm interested in why and how this came [TS]

00:34:37   about this like kind of a two-part [TS]

00:34:40   crossover video so I Philip who is the [TS]

00:34:44   main writer behind courts because that [TS]

00:34:46   he and I have been some colleagues in [TS]

00:34:48   business associates for awhile i don't [TS]

00:34:51   remember exactly how we met in in the [TS]

00:34:53   first place but don't worry we've known [TS]

00:34:54   each other for maybe about a [TS]

00:34:56   year-and-a-half at this point and we had [TS]

00:34:58   always just vaguely talked about doing [TS]

00:35:02   some kind of collaboration that at some [TS]

00:35:04   stage and and like with I think with [TS]

00:35:07   many YouTube creators you don't [TS]

00:35:08   necessarily know what it is that you [TS]

00:35:10   want to do but it's it's useful just to [TS]

00:35:12   have it in the back of your mind about [TS]

00:35:14   is is there an interesting thing that we [TS]

00:35:17   can do and so every once in a while we [TS]

00:35:20   would just talk and sort of discuss [TS]

00:35:22   projects that we were working on [TS]

00:35:24   sometimes because we were trying to make [TS]

00:35:26   sure we didn't accidentally overlap with [TS]

00:35:28   each other [TS]

00:35:29   which did occur sometimes of like one or [TS]

00:35:33   the other of us trying to avoid a topic [TS]

00:35:35   because we knew that the other one was [TS]

00:35:36   doing it like we don't want to get [TS]

00:35:38   messed up with that of you know [TS]

00:35:40   releasing a video the day after on the [TS]

00:35:42   same thing but it's at some point we [TS]

00:35:46   eventually came across these two topics [TS]

00:35:49   one of which is about how your mind may [TS]

00:35:54   be composed of these separate autonomous [TS]

00:35:57   smaller elements and then he was [TS]

00:36:02   thinking about a video about how your [TS]

00:36:04   physical body is composed of these [TS]

00:36:06   separatists onimous smaller elements [TS]

00:36:08   that like exist in and of themselves and [TS]

00:36:10   as we were talking about it we realized [TS]

00:36:12   oh this is actually this is nice like [TS]

00:36:14   these are related like there are two [TS]

00:36:17   sides of the same coin that they both [TS]

00:36:20   are touching on the notion of how you as [TS]

00:36:22   a person are not as singular as you [TS]

00:36:25   think you are you are a combination of a [TS]

00:36:28   bunch of smaller things that can exist [TS]

00:36:29   independently of what you think of is [TS]

00:36:32   you and so we were talking about this [TS]

00:36:34   and thought of this this is nice like [TS]

00:36:35   this this works very well together and [TS]

00:36:38   so this was actually we looked up the [TS]

00:36:42   first conversations about this were back [TS]

00:36:44   in November home early and so just to [TS]

00:36:47   give people the timeframe the final [TS]

00:36:49   videos were uploaded at the end of may [TS]

00:36:51   and we were working on those videos for [TS]

00:36:55   that length of time you know doing other [TS]

00:36:58   projects at the same time but this was [TS]

00:36:59   in the works and these things can [TS]

00:37:02   sometimes take quite a long time to go [TS]

00:37:04   from initial discussion to final final [TS]

00:37:08   completed output i think from the style [TS]

00:37:10   of your videos for very different [TS]

00:37:12   reasons [TS]

00:37:13   ok that's why do you say that uh there [TS]

00:37:15   is a level of animation in the courses [TS]

00:37:19   that videos which is a very different to [TS]

00:37:21   yours you know [TS]

00:37:23   oh yeah and I think that you are one man [TS]

00:37:27   band mom and I believe there are [TS]

00:37:29   multiple people that work on the couch [TS]

00:37:31   because that videos [TS]

00:37:32   yeah there's a big team that works on [TS]

00:37:33   those things out there and and ungodly [TS]

00:37:36   amount of human hours goes into the [TS]

00:37:38   development [TS]

00:37:39   of those videos and it certainly shows [TS]

00:37:41   in the animation i was watching the [TS]

00:37:43   videos and they're like these parts [TS]

00:37:46   where they create these like mythical [TS]

00:37:47   beasts as it were that there are these [TS]

00:37:49   the good part animal part robotic pieces [TS]

00:37:53   i guess and the amount of tiny detail of [TS]

00:37:58   movement mom I just can't believe it I [TS]

00:38:01   cannot believe how this stuff exists on [TS]

00:38:04   youtube it doesn't make sense in my [TS]

00:38:07   brain [TS]

00:38:08   who the caller is insane and that's what [TS]

00:38:10   means that the differences [TS]

00:38:11   there's a team who make incredibly [TS]

00:38:13   complex things and initials you who's [TS]

00:38:15   making things that are difficult to make [TS]

00:38:17   for just one person right and that was [TS]

00:38:19   my ends up taking even though they're [TS]

00:38:21   very different the same amount of time [TS]

00:38:23   yeah that that's exactly like that the [TS]

00:38:25   the courses that path was a much [TS]

00:38:27   straighter line than was the when there [TS]

00:38:29   was the production of mine because as a [TS]

00:38:33   slight behind-the-scenes thing it was at [TS]

00:38:37   some point in very late februari i took [TS]

00:38:41   the script that I had been working on [TS]

00:38:43   for that whole length of time so from [TS]

00:38:45   november until late februari and I was [TS]

00:38:49   walking around and I was thinking about [TS]

00:38:51   the video and then it crossed my mind [TS]

00:38:52   about how to do the thing that I [TS]

00:38:55   eventually did which was to film it from [TS]

00:38:57   a first-person perspective as a way to [TS]

00:38:59   try to explain some of the complicated [TS]

00:39:01   things that are going on and once that [TS]

00:39:03   idea came into my head I thought oh this [TS]

00:39:07   is a really great way to explain this [TS]

00:39:09   phenomenon that is otherwise difficult [TS]

00:39:11   to explain but if i'm going to film [TS]

00:39:15   myself doing these things i need to [TS]

00:39:18   throw out everything that I've written [TS]

00:39:19   so far this this whole script just does [TS]

00:39:21   not work at all in this is the way that [TS]

00:39:23   I'm going to explain this and so I [TS]

00:39:25   started over right i started brand-new [TS]

00:39:28   over i essentially halfway through the [TS]

00:39:32   collaboration between the two of us [TS]

00:39:33   because like nope this script won't work [TS]

00:39:35   if i do it this way [TS]

00:39:36   start again select all delete and start [TS]

00:39:39   typing this is a superb Atlantic [TS]

00:39:41   question but not have a good reason for [TS]

00:39:44   it he didn't really saw over again [TS]

00:39:46   though did you like I know what you mean [TS]

00:39:47   but all of the work that you've done to [TS]

00:39:50   that point was useful [TS]

00:39:53   helping you create the final product [TS]

00:39:54   faster yeah that is true right i mean [TS]

00:39:56   like if you would have had this idea in [TS]

00:39:59   November it may have still taken you [TS]

00:40:02   that amount of time to make it you you [TS]

00:40:04   are totally right and look for example I [TS]

00:40:05   didn't have to redo the research exactly [TS]

00:40:08   that doesn't that doesn't occur [TS]

00:40:09   the reason I say just like I'm starting [TS]

00:40:11   over is because as we have discussed [TS]

00:40:14   before that my writing process is really [TS]

00:40:16   very largely and editing and re-editing [TS]

00:40:19   process and so that that that's the [TS]

00:40:21   thing that I mean like I know that even [TS]

00:40:23   if I'm thinking about doing it this way [TS]

00:40:24   i have to do just a ton of drafts before [TS]

00:40:29   it it becomes a thing [TS]

00:40:32   yeah it is basically new text file kind [TS]

00:40:34   of start over right yeah and it was [TS]

00:40:37   really interesting because again in in [TS]

00:40:40   working with Philip you know he saw some [TS]

00:40:43   of the drafts you know we were we reach [TS]

00:40:44   commenting on the other person's [TS]

00:40:46   scripting try to help each other along [TS]

00:40:47   but he he saw unfold the thing which i [TS]

00:40:51   always feel when i'm working but I [TS]

00:40:53   thought oh maybe I'm kidding myself [TS]

00:40:55   about how basically like this basically [TS]

00:40:58   have my script is not very good for the [TS]

00:41:02   first 15 or 20 drafts and then it is the [TS]

00:41:06   last one or two drafts where suddenly I [TS]

00:41:10   feel like this is the thing all of a [TS]

00:41:12   sudden and now what is good and it was [TS]

00:41:14   interesting to kind of get that [TS]

00:41:16   confirmed from somebody back of like boy [TS]

00:41:19   what did you do between this draft in [TS]

00:41:21   the last draft because suddenly this [TS]

00:41:23   really feels like a thing and the [TS]

00:41:26   previous ones all felt like they were [TS]

00:41:28   kind of rough like you know you could [TS]

00:41:30   film it and it would be fine but it's [TS]

00:41:31   not really fantastic when do you start [TS]

00:41:34   reading them aloud I start reading them [TS]

00:41:36   aloud when there is something to read [TS]

00:41:38   aloud so I usually end up writing [TS]

00:41:41   depending on depending on the script [TS]

00:41:44   something like 5,000 words of garbage [TS]

00:41:48   let's say I've just like thoughts of how [TS]

00:41:50   to explain stuff and that's that's just [TS]

00:41:52   largely typing and i end up with that [TS]

00:41:54   with that big text file and then that is [TS]

00:41:56   the point where I just start reading [TS]

00:41:58   those notes allowed in in my office [TS]

00:42:01   I you know with my standing desk the [TS]

00:42:03   Thunder and that's right and the Thunder [TS]

00:42:06   I was actually you put this you put this [TS]

00:42:08   idea in my mind I can't get rid of about [TS]

00:42:11   being like you know in some sort of evil [TS]

00:42:13   lair because the end when i was working [TS]

00:42:17   on this at one point I really i saw [TS]

00:42:20   myself like through your eyes as though [TS]

00:42:22   you would be standing there like oh this [TS]

00:42:23   is slightly uncomfortable like I'm [TS]

00:42:25   standing in a room i am reading out loud [TS]

00:42:28   a script that has to do with horrific [TS]

00:42:31   brain surgery that's been done to people [TS]

00:42:33   right I'm making gestures with my hands [TS]

00:42:37   about how I think this is going to go on [TS]

00:42:39   the screen as i am reading out loud as i [TS]

00:42:42   am playing Thunder sounds and I was also [TS]

00:42:45   playing like this [TS]

00:42:47   classical violin album amok recordings [TS]

00:42:50   number is like for a moment is like I [TS]

00:42:54   see what I must look like to Mike and [TS]

00:42:57   this it is let me talk about your braids [TS]

00:43:00   that's there's someone inside you what I [TS]

00:43:03   am still yeah like I'm hoping my hand [TS]

00:43:07   like this is this music and the Thunder [TS]

00:43:09   like maybe mike has a point anything [TS]

00:43:11   like as a point about what you said you [TS]

00:43:13   know I can't imagine someone wants to [TS]

00:43:15   just come in to check something right [TS]

00:43:17   they just opened the door just to peek [TS]

00:43:19   in you know to say i don't know all this [TS]

00:43:21   cake in the lobby and I just like back [TS]

00:43:24   away maybe that happens if I don't know [TS]

00:43:28   cuz ya i basically I wondered if like [TS]

00:43:32   there is a correlation between you [TS]

00:43:34   reading what you have allowed and the [TS]

00:43:36   script getting good [TS]

00:43:38   yeah it but I do i would say easily more [TS]

00:43:43   than half of the drafts are done in this [TS]

00:43:46   semi allowed stage or completely allowed [TS]

00:43:48   to take much and it's but it's like I [TS]

00:43:51   don't know what it is but I can just [TS]

00:43:52   feel towards the end when something [TS]

00:43:56   finally clicks of like this this is the [TS]

00:43:59   rhythm like this is the exact way the [TS]

00:44:02   surprising thing that often happens is [TS]

00:44:03   like the very last draft i will [TS]

00:44:06   radically move around a bunch of [TS]

00:44:08   paragraphs the paragraphs might not [TS]

00:44:10   change but I'll suddenly realized like [TS]

00:44:11   oh these are all in the wrong order [TS]

00:44:13   why on earth was i ever writing them in [TS]

00:44:15   this order like I've been writing them [TS]

00:44:16   in this order for months this doesn't [TS]

00:44:18   make any sense [TS]

00:44:19   this one has to [TS]

00:44:20   with the beginning not the end these two [TS]

00:44:21   have to go together this one in the [TS]

00:44:22   middle i can just take this whole thing [TS]

00:44:23   out and it's like boom suddenly it just [TS]

00:44:25   kind of gels I understand that because [TS]

00:44:27   you know every now and then I will have [TS]

00:44:30   some kind of flash of an idea when [TS]

00:44:32   editing show em like oh I could put the [TS]

00:44:35   girl from ipanema in here [TS]

00:44:36   mhm you know it's like this is a great [TS]

00:44:38   like I get it it's like you just have [TS]

00:44:39   these like random flashes of of ideas [TS]

00:44:42   and then everything just starts to fall [TS]

00:44:44   into place [TS]

00:44:45   yeah it and the having someone else see [TS]

00:44:49   the drafts as i was doing them it was it [TS]

00:44:52   was just interesting to have it [TS]

00:44:53   confirmed back to me that it's not in my [TS]

00:44:57   imagination that this thing is occurring [TS]

00:44:59   somebody else sees it and somebody else [TS]

00:45:02   comments that suddenly it's way better [TS]

00:45:04   and I don't know why it's like yes [TS]

00:45:06   that's right perfect like great now it's [TS]

00:45:08   ready to go [TS]

00:45:08   I thought it was ready to go and you [TS]

00:45:10   agree that this final thing is suddenly [TS]

00:45:12   much better I am NOT I am NOT crazy like [TS]

00:45:14   I'm not imagining that it takes this [TS]

00:45:16   long like someone else sees that I do [TS]

00:45:19   need to go through all of these [TS]

00:45:20   revisions before it becomes the final [TS]

00:45:23   thing that I'm ready and happy to record [TS]

00:45:25   there's an interesting process [TS]

00:45:27   considering the changes that you're [TS]

00:45:28   currently embarking on in your [TS]

00:45:30   production process [TS]

00:45:32   mm what did it feel like to work so [TS]

00:45:35   closely with someone [TS]

00:45:37   well with it was just it was interesting [TS]

00:45:38   to have the the feedback back and forth [TS]

00:45:41   on on what we were doing [TS]

00:45:43   yeah i would say like this this was in [TS]

00:45:46   the YouTube world people talk about [TS]

00:45:47   collaborations right doing collaboration [TS]

00:45:50   videos all the time and I didn't use [TS]

00:45:53   that word for what we were doing i kept [TS]

00:45:56   using the word crossover the like what [TS]

00:45:58   we're doing here is like a crossover [TS]

00:46:00   video [TS]

00:46:01   yes we weren't deeply collaborating and [TS]

00:46:05   that's what made that word feel like the [TS]

00:46:06   wrong word like I was not popping up in [TS]

00:46:09   the middle of the courts because that [TS]

00:46:10   video being like hey well you want [TS]

00:46:12   narrating that one or something yeah [TS]

00:46:15   like it we weren't doing those reverse [TS]

00:46:17   kind of things personally I think those [TS]

00:46:20   things are very hard to do [TS]

00:46:22   I've seen a few that are absolutely [TS]

00:46:25   amazing and I will always hold up the [TS]

00:46:28   destined from smarter every day and [TS]

00:46:32   Derek [TS]

00:46:33   veritasium they did crossover video on [TS]

00:46:36   the Coriolis effect that i think i will [TS]

00:46:39   forever hold up as the most the most [TS]

00:46:42   amazing example of collaborating with [TS]

00:46:45   another person like they they did two [TS]

00:46:47   videos that each really depends on the [TS]

00:46:50   other one they did this fantastic thing [TS]

00:46:52   with the timing of the videos it's [TS]

00:46:54   really quite an achievement what they [TS]

00:46:56   did like that is an amazing [TS]

00:46:57   collaboration video but lots of [TS]

00:47:00   collaboration videos i sometimes feel [TS]

00:47:02   like people are just in somebody else's [TS]

00:47:04   video just to be there and when I watch [TS]

00:47:06   them feel like is this adding or is this [TS]

00:47:09   like is like a little jarring moment but [TS]

00:47:12   if the feeling suddenly changes and so [TS]

00:47:15   we didn't think that this topic lent [TS]

00:47:18   itself to true collaboration and so [TS]

00:47:20   that's why I was always using the word [TS]

00:47:21   crossover of at the end we are crossing [TS]

00:47:25   over that each topic forms a nice little [TS]

00:47:28   circle of this one leads into that one [TS]

00:47:30   and that one leads into this one so it [TS]

00:47:32   makes sense for each of us to point to [TS]

00:47:34   the other at the end and so I think it [TS]

00:47:36   it was interesting to do it's always [TS]

00:47:39   stressful trying to time something with [TS]

00:47:41   another person as well especially [TS]

00:47:43   because we have vastly different [TS]

00:47:45   production cycles and and it's like okay [TS]

00:47:47   well we have to release on the same day [TS]

00:47:49   but like how long is it going to take [TS]

00:47:50   for all his animation to happen [TS]

00:47:52   how long is it gonna take me to come to [TS]

00:47:53   the end of creating the the scripts like [TS]

00:47:56   who knows who knows how long it's going [TS]

00:47:57   to take it when you're trying to [TS]

00:47:58   coordinate with someone that stuff is [TS]

00:48:00   quite stressful and then of course [TS]

00:48:03   because i am the person that I am I [TS]

00:48:05   start immediately worrying like somebody [TS]

00:48:06   else is working on split-brain video [TS]

00:48:08   right now we're going to upload the day [TS]

00:48:09   before and all of that stuff is ya [TS]

00:48:12   titles high-stakes but it seems to have [TS]

00:48:15   paid off the videos are doing very well [TS]

00:48:17   I think they're they're helping each [TS]

00:48:18   other so I definitely worth it [TS]

00:48:20   the main reason that people do these [TS]

00:48:22   types of things is to guess point people [TS]

00:48:26   to other channels right like I think [TS]

00:48:29   that's why the business reason for doing [TS]

00:48:31   this type of stuff [TS]

00:48:32   oh yeah did you find that to be [TS]

00:48:35   beneficial did the work that you did [TS]

00:48:37   together that payoff business-wise this [TS]

00:48:40   this kind of thing is is very good and [TS]

00:48:43   it is also one of those cases where [TS]

00:48:45   her as we have talked about before in [TS]

00:48:48   some ways I'm i am this very like [TS]

00:48:50   spreadsheet oriented return on [TS]

00:48:52   investments person and I should be doing [TS]

00:48:57   crossover collaboration videos all the [TS]

00:49:00   time write like this the spreadsheet [TS]

00:49:01   said she would say like do this every [TS]

00:49:03   single time but i only want to do it [TS]

00:49:05   when it feels like it's it's a good [TS]

00:49:07   topic again it and it totally works to [TS]

00:49:09   do but you can build a pretty successful [TS]

00:49:11   YouTube career by intensely [TS]

00:49:14   collaborating with literally everybody [TS]

00:49:16   who will do collaborations with you and [TS]

00:49:19   and you can see that as a kind of career [TS]

00:49:20   paths on on youtube sometimes but I'm [TS]

00:49:25   just pulling up the numbers here and so [TS]

00:49:27   forth for people who want to know in [TS]

00:49:29   terms of success metrics and subscriber [TS]

00:49:32   numbers in the 48 hours after the video [TS]

00:49:36   went up we each gained about 80,000 [TS]

00:49:41   additional subscribers is no joke [TS]

00:49:44   yeah it's a big number it's a big number [TS]

00:49:47   of subscribers also limey that videos [TS]

00:49:49   done well looking at a few numbers [TS]

00:49:51   whoa holy moly yet wow that's this is a [TS]

00:49:55   big success one [TS]

00:49:56   yeah it's it's it's done it's done very [TS]

00:49:59   well I think you'll find its holy moly [TS]

00:50:01   well clearly i made that very clear I [TS]

00:50:06   haven't looked at in awhile what is it [TS]

00:50:07   up to them a 2.4 million pretty good [TS]

00:50:10   pretty good pretty good [TS]

00:50:13   yeah I was gonna say for comparison for [TS]

00:50:15   the listeners so they have a sense of [TS]

00:50:17   scale on a on a normal nothing happens [TS]

00:50:22   cgpgrey hasn't uploaded a video in six [TS]

00:50:24   months or something at six months haha [TS]

00:50:27   one day will be six months yet one day [TS]

00:50:29   will be six months hasn't uploaded a [TS]

00:50:32   video in in six weeks kind of thing a [TS]

00:50:34   normal day is like a thousand [TS]

00:50:37   subscribers somewhere in that ballpark [TS]

00:50:39   ok so this this puts it you know sort of [TS]

00:50:43   again ballparking it's kind of an order [TS]

00:50:45   of magnitude larger roughly sort of so [TS]

00:50:49   it'sit's business-wise like this this [TS]

00:50:52   kind of thing is very good to do I [TS]

00:50:54   should in theory do it way more than I [TS]

00:50:56   do [TS]

00:50:57   but again just just the way my working [TS]

00:51:01   cycle is and and also my my own quite [TS]

00:51:04   laggy and long production cycles like it [TS]

00:51:07   does make it hard for other people to [TS]

00:51:09   work with me and it's one of the reasons [TS]

00:51:10   why Phillip and I could collaborate [TS]

00:51:12   quite easily because he also has the [TS]

00:51:15   same kind of like a very long very laggy [TS]

00:51:17   production cycles so we each know very [TS]

00:51:20   well understand we are talking in [TS]

00:51:23   November it might be almost half a year [TS]

00:51:25   until this thing is actually done it up [TS]

00:51:27   and that's okay [TS]

00:51:29   21 for millions of views yeah a lot of [TS]

00:51:33   people watching a video with my hands [TS]

00:51:36   moving stuff around while I feel later [TS]

00:51:40   it's a little weird to think sometimes [TS]

00:51:42   yeah it's a little weird to think like I [TS]

00:51:45   went to toys r us [TS]

00:51:47   yeah I ball kylo Ren mosque ya got some [TS]

00:51:50   My Little Ponies got some Rubik's cubes [TS]

00:51:54   and some blocks for babies and put it on [TS]

00:51:57   my business card at the guy the [TS]

00:52:00   toys-r-us was like these for you like [TS]

00:52:04   now it's a business expense [TS]

00:52:05   I don't think he believed me well [TS]

00:52:08   because what business is that so [TS]

00:52:10   however that I like I think this could [TS]

00:52:12   see in his eyes like a little bit of [TS]

00:52:13   doubt and I was like why don't you [TS]

00:52:14   believe me have a walking away it's like [TS]

00:52:16   of course he has no reason to believe me [TS]

00:52:17   that i need some blocks for babies for [TS]

00:52:21   business expense [TS]

00:52:22   why would you even ask someone that [TS]

00:52:24   question like you know how many people [TS]

00:52:26   goes and go into toys r us and buy [TS]

00:52:28   things for children like isn't that the [TS]

00:52:30   whole purpose of the store [TS]

00:52:31   what a strange thing to ask and I don't [TS]

00:52:33   know I don't know why clerks always ask [TS]

00:52:35   stuff from stores and you probably had a [TS]

00:52:37   weird look on your face right thank you [TS]

00:52:40   anyway you knew you shouldn't be there [TS]

00:52:42   buying those things and he could tell is [TS]

00:52:44   that what you think it was [TS]

00:52:45   that's what I think it was that why [TS]

00:52:46   clerks always talk to me everywhere I go [TS]

00:52:48   because I have a weird look at my face [TS]

00:52:49   is that what you're saying you know like [TS]

00:52:51   the idea that magicians when they're [TS]

00:52:53   pulling somebody out of the audience [TS]

00:52:54   they pull the person who looks the most [TS]

00:52:56   awkward right like they can just tell [TS]

00:52:58   like I'm going to get this person [TS]

00:53:00   because they clearly don't want to do [TS]

00:53:01   this I expect that that's the kind of [TS]

00:53:03   face that you have when you're [TS]

00:53:05   interacting with anybody in a retail [TS]

00:53:07   environment so people just instinctively [TS]

00:53:09   want to ask [TS]

00:53:10   questions because you look like you [TS]

00:53:11   don't want to be there hmm maybe maybe [TS]

00:53:14   that's why that's my experience [TS]

00:53:15   everywhere I go people want to talk to [TS]

00:53:18   me about things to work on that poker [TS]

00:53:21   face [TS]

00:53:22   yeah but if I'm ever in a magic show I [TS]

00:53:24   always do my best to give the the guy on [TS]

00:53:27   stage like a death stare like I will [TS]

00:53:29   look right into his eyes and lingual and [TS]

00:53:31   I'm thinking thoughts like you don't [TS]

00:53:33   want to pick me but I don't like looking [TS]

00:53:35   right at him just like blank face [TS]

00:53:38   I am NOT your person i figured that's [TS]

00:53:40   like the fastest way to communicate at [TS]

00:53:42   every now and then you say something [TS]

00:53:44   that like the phrase is funny to me and [TS]

00:53:46   this time was every time i'm at a magic [TS]

00:53:48   show [TS]

00:53:49   haha how often how often this is what [TS]

00:53:54   you're secretly in the Magic Circle [TS]

00:53:55   nobody knew I don't ever just thinking [TS]

00:53:59   like a soft Penn & Teller oh I've wanted [TS]

00:54:01   to do that in vegas i saw them when they [TS]

00:54:05   were in in London a little while ago [TS]

00:54:07   that was probably the last magic show [TS]

00:54:08   that i was at i would love to see [TS]

00:54:10   panatela yeah but I'm also i'm also [TS]

00:54:12   thinking of like circus Olay shows and [TS]

00:54:14   things like that like they're all just [TS]

00:54:16   the same kind of like someone is getting [TS]

00:54:18   pulled on stage like it all in my brain [TS]

00:54:20   it's all filed under like magic show [TS]

00:54:21   right when they're pulling someone on [TS]

00:54:23   the stage like this is what this is [TS]

00:54:25   even if its clowns at circus Olay or [TS]

00:54:27   whatever you call them clowns [TS]

00:54:29   I don't think clouds that I would know [TS]

00:54:31   circus Olay has the clowns they always [TS]

00:54:32   have clowns did I seen these shows yet i [TS]

00:54:34   don't like clowns and I've never been so [TS]

00:54:36   closely [TS]

00:54:37   okay well don't go that's my [TS]

00:54:38   recommendation if you don't like clowns [TS]

00:54:40   don't go I'm not going I don't like the [TS]

00:54:42   clouds either but it's the same thing of [TS]

00:54:43   like I want to make them feel like don't [TS]

00:54:45   think anybody on the weirdo in the [TS]

00:54:48   audience is looking right at you with [TS]

00:54:49   the dead deadpan face like I'm trying to [TS]

00:54:51   signal that i am not the person you're [TS]

00:54:52   gonna have a fun time with you picking i [TS]

00:54:55   will be the most resistant exactly swear [TS]

00:54:58   to God I will that I want a signal like [TS]

00:55:00   I will be lots of trouble and no fun for [TS]

00:55:02   you look elsewhere look elsewhere [TS]

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00:57:25   has recognized the cortex love [TS]

00:57:28   yes yes i saw this morning I think that [TS]

00:57:32   you need box put up a very nice little [TS]

00:57:34   post saying that they are [TS]

00:57:37   heard us talking about the app on the [TS]

00:57:39   show and I really like that they did is [TS]

00:57:43   they took the time to write out a few [TS]

00:57:46   things discussing some of the the points [TS]

00:57:49   that we brought up and showing like a [TS]

00:57:51   few extra tips and tricks for those of [TS]

00:57:54   you in the audience who are joining me [TS]

00:57:57   in the Uni box way for the endless wheel [TS]

00:58:01   of email [TS]

00:58:02   basically they did a better job of [TS]

00:58:04   explaining it then we did as they should [TS]

00:58:07   but yeah there's the sum of the things [TS]

00:58:09   that you were trying to help me with [TS]

00:58:10   they do a much better job of explaining [TS]

00:58:12   them [TS]

00:58:13   yeah reading reading through their [TS]

00:58:15   article i was thinking oh that's why [TS]

00:58:16   Mike and I had such a different [TS]

00:58:18   experience when we set up our apps like [TS]

00:58:20   I just happened to press a button and I [TS]

00:58:21   didn't even remember didn't even think [TS]

00:58:22   about it that there's one thing there's [TS]

00:58:25   one thing in there that i really like [TS]

00:58:26   which which I was just looking at like [TS]

00:58:29   oh this this totally makes sense is I [TS]

00:58:31   was talking about being able to swipe on [TS]

00:58:35   just messaged subjects when we were [TS]

00:58:37   having the conversation you were like [TS]

00:58:38   that's really weird and confusing ahead [TS]

00:58:40   and they were very nicely took the time [TS]

00:58:42   to say you can sleep anywhere on the [TS]

00:58:44   message right you don't have to swipe on [TS]

00:58:46   this one little narrow strip and so I [TS]

00:58:48   actually just installed on my phone just [TS]

00:58:50   to try and like oh wow I don't use email [TS]

00:58:53   on my phone but if you are an email on [TS]

00:58:56   your phone person this you can swipe [TS]

00:58:59   anywhere on the message anywhere on the [TS]

00:59:02   screen and perform a couple of actions [TS]

00:59:03   on on the message like boy that would be [TS]

00:59:06   amazing if I was an email on the phone [TS]

00:59:08   guy this is a fantastic feature so i [TS]

00:59:10   would say thanks thanks to the team for [TS]

00:59:12   writing up some additional information [TS]

00:59:14   that we missed in our attempt to try and [TS]

00:59:17   explain the app thankfully they were [TS]

00:59:20   there to help [TS]

00:59:21   yes hey great you know what time it is [TS]

00:59:25   it is 118 in the afternoon as we are [TS]

00:59:32   recording this [TS]

00:59:33   now that's correct that's the answer I [TS]

00:59:34   was looking for that what you're looking [TS]

00:59:36   for [TS]

00:59:36   yep moving on this great blouse cortex [TS]

00:59:39   okay great [TS]

00:59:40   Magnus wrote in gray and Magnus wanted [TS]

00:59:43   to ask how does one handle to-do items [TS]

00:59:46   that are dependent on another person in [TS]

00:59:49   order to be completed so [TS]

00:59:50   Magnus hit with his job a large part of [TS]

00:59:53   it is gathering information from people [TS]

00:59:55   that are not necessarily directly [TS]

00:59:58   incentivize to get the info [TS]

00:59:58   incentivize to get the info [TS]

01:00:00   nation for him all Magnus Magnus I i [TS]

01:00:04   love the way you describe that and boy [TS]

01:00:06   have I been there was gonna say this [TS]

01:00:08   sounds like you've got some some [TS]

01:00:10   camaraderie here like yeah and Magnus [TS]

01:00:12   goes on to say that they're not [TS]

01:00:14   necessarily directly incentivized to [TS]

01:00:16   give the information which means that [TS]

01:00:17   deadlines don't exist of these people so [TS]

01:00:20   how do we handle to-do items that are [TS]

01:00:23   dependent on other people whether [TS]

01:00:25   they're incentivized or not so we both [TS]

01:00:27   use OmniFocus and i know that a long [TS]

01:00:31   time ago great you'd mentioned using [TS]

01:00:33   vandal list and I wonder how you [TS]

01:00:37   continue to do this especially with the [TS]

01:00:39   expanding organization that is great [TS]

01:00:41   industries has that the good point [TS]

01:00:47   oh how do how do I handle this [TS]

01:00:52   um well first of all to Magnus you know [TS]

01:00:57   my sympathies go out to you because we [TS]

01:00:59   all know people are the worst [TS]

01:01:01   you can't depend on people they take [TS]

01:01:03   forever to get back to you and I include [TS]

01:01:05   myself in this crew right i think i [TS]

01:01:07   think of for Mike reaching out to me [TS]

01:01:09   sometimes sending me a message [TS]

01:01:11   it's like I get back to him later but [TS]

01:01:13   like when does later come I don't know [TS]

01:01:15   will be there it now don't say never it [TS]

01:01:18   comes eventually later comes eventually [TS]

01:01:20   so this is a problem that we all face [TS]

01:01:23   and that if we look deep into our own [TS]

01:01:26   selves we all sometimes also create I [TS]

01:01:28   mean that the short answer is high try [TS]

01:01:32   to eliminate dependencies and other [TS]

01:01:33   people as much as possible to minimize [TS]

01:01:35   this inevitable problem but when i do [TS]

01:01:40   have something something that I need to [TS]

01:01:43   keep track of like the other person [TS]

01:01:45   needs to get back to me on this thing i [TS]

01:01:48   have a context in OmniFocus that's just [TS]

01:01:51   called waiting and this is this is a [TS]

01:01:53   kind of hold over from the strict [TS]

01:01:55   getting things done implementation days [TS]

01:01:57   of yore that I used to do but i find [TS]

01:02:00   this one little thing is is quite a [TS]

01:02:03   handy of being able to mark in a project [TS]

01:02:06   like the next step is me waiting on this [TS]

01:02:09   person to get back to me about a thing [TS]

01:02:12   and that like that's just my stake in [TS]

01:02:15   the ground so that I don't forget [TS]

01:02:17   because i know that i am very likely to [TS]

01:02:19   forget that i'm waiting on another [TS]

01:02:20   person for another thing and just [TS]

01:02:21   totally lose track of it so that that's [TS]

01:02:23   that's my general catch-all for people [TS]

01:02:28   that I'm not necessarily formerly [TS]

01:02:30   working with I still with my assistant [TS]

01:02:33   we do you use Wunderlist as a as a [TS]

01:02:36   shared list to keep a record of all of [TS]

01:02:40   the various things that we are working [TS]

01:02:41   on and she really likes that app I [TS]

01:02:45   really like that app i have to say i [TS]

01:02:46   highly recommend if you are working in [TS]

01:02:50   probably a very small team i'm not sure [TS]

01:02:53   Wunderlist would scale very well to a [TS]

01:02:55   large team of people but maybe for you [TS]

01:02:57   know five or less individuals i think [TS]

01:03:00   it's a fantastic little app for keeping [TS]

01:03:03   track of who is doing what and so I can [TS]

01:03:05   assign to my assistance that is these [TS]

01:03:08   little subtasks these are your [TS]

01:03:09   responsibilities and then she can go [TS]

01:03:11   through it and also assigned subtasks to [TS]

01:03:13   me and it's very easy to see like who [TS]

01:03:16   who is who is the block in moving this [TS]

01:03:19   project forward and the answer is not [TS]

01:03:21   surprisingly always i am but at least [TS]

01:03:24   like it's clear like we know who is the [TS]

01:03:25   person that needs to get back about a [TS]

01:03:27   thing so I really recommend that i [TS]

01:03:30   really recommend that a lot but to the [TS]

01:03:33   the later part of his question I'm much [TS]

01:03:35   more interested in what mike tells about [TS]

01:03:36   this because in terms of incentivizing [TS]

01:03:39   people I would just have to go right [TS]

01:03:42   like struck my shoulders like I have I [TS]

01:03:45   have no idea how to get people to do [TS]

01:03:48   what you want if they are not [TS]

01:03:49   incentivized to do that and so I am [TS]

01:03:52   hoping to learn something from Mike in [TS]

01:03:54   the very next moment about how to make [TS]

01:03:56   that happen [TS]

01:03:57   the incentivization portion of this is [TS]

01:04:00   very difficult if you're working within [TS]

01:04:02   an organization [TS]

01:04:04   uh-huh this is like office politics [TS]

01:04:07   stuff [TS]

01:04:07   yeah that's the only way you can do it [TS]

01:04:09   so in my experience there are two ways [TS]

01:04:12   you can sensitize people you can even be [TS]

01:04:15   really nice [TS]

01:04:16   or you can loosely threaten them or is [TS]

01:04:19   this is this actually your advice [TS]

01:04:21   the threat usually comes in the form of [TS]

01:04:26   whomever has direct line management [TS]

01:04:29   control [TS]

01:04:31   oh god is this like the stuff I used to [TS]

01:04:35   see it schools like let's see somebody's [TS]

01:04:37   boss on this like yeah that would you [TS]

01:04:38   mean the only thing to do and i found [TS]

01:04:41   and i would very rarely use this but [TS]

01:04:45   sometimes you just gotta throw that CC [TS]

01:04:47   and man if that person is refusing to [TS]

01:04:49   help you and you've been as nice as you [TS]

01:04:51   can be sometimes the only thing you can [TS]

01:04:54   do is get the person who has the ability [TS]

01:04:57   to directly incentivize good or bad get [TS]

01:05:01   involved [TS]

01:05:02   look this not the way around it there's [TS]

01:05:06   no way around it so i will tell you now [TS]

01:05:09   though i am not in a position to really [TS]

01:05:11   do that with the people that I need [TS]

01:05:12   things from so I go the nice route which [TS]

01:05:15   is tends to be my default route anyway [TS]

01:05:17   nice guy Mike good cop Mike we're gonna [TS]

01:05:19   cut a good cup i'll bug people where i [TS]

01:05:22   need to you know extended mouth but you [TS]

01:05:24   know eventually is only so far you can [TS]

01:05:26   go but i don't i don't use the CC [TS]

01:05:28   anymore because it doesn't really work [TS]

01:05:30   for the type of stuff that I'm doing [TS]

01:05:32   Lydia I'm sorry Magnus I will say though [TS]

01:05:35   just from the idea from our handling [TS]

01:05:37   tasks respective i have tried one [TS]

01:05:40   duelist and I agree that it is actually [TS]

01:05:42   quite wonderful but so good but he stop [TS]

01:05:47   that man it's awful but know that i will [TS]

01:05:49   never stop my problem with it is i don't [TS]

01:05:51   like having multiple to-do apps to check [TS]

01:05:54   from a dependency perspective and now [TS]

01:05:56   many people will point out the amount of [TS]

01:05:58   to-do apps i have on my screen but [TS]

01:06:00   they're different things for me they're [TS]

01:06:01   like reminders and to do like my to do [TS]

01:06:04   is all-in-one task management system to [TS]

01:06:08   ask management system and that is only [TS]

01:06:09   focused like that is where my stuff [TS]

01:06:12   needs to be done goes in there things [TS]

01:06:15   like take out the trash things like [TS]

01:06:17   remember that TV shows on that sort of [TS]

01:06:20   stuff lives in do right like I see those [TS]

01:06:23   different types of things completely but [TS]

01:06:25   the things that would go in an [TS]

01:06:26   application like Wunderlist are like [TS]

01:06:28   tasks they are things that for me [TS]

01:06:30   mentally living only focus so when I am [TS]

01:06:33   waiting on somebody to do something for [TS]

01:06:35   me I put that in OmniFocus mmm [TS]

01:06:38   it's like discussion has had and then [TS]

01:06:40   task of check with X about why goes in [TS]

01:06:44   my personal only focus yet tool tool [TS]

01:06:47   wise I i agree with you there that that [TS]

01:06:49   is the one thing that I don't like about [TS]

01:06:50   using Wunderlist it is that feeling of I [TS]

01:06:56   can't in OmniFocus always have an [TS]

01:07:00   overview of everything that's occurring [TS]

01:07:02   because they're there's this subset of [TS]

01:07:04   tasks that have to live somewhere else [TS]

01:07:06   because they are being worked on by [TS]

01:07:09   another person and I i don't i don't [TS]

01:07:12   like that split very much i would prefer [TS]

01:07:15   I if an OmniFocus there was a way to say [TS]

01:07:19   share a list with somebody else and I [TS]

01:07:21   understand this that's not a thing is [TS]

01:07:22   probably going to happen but so that so [TS]

01:07:24   that is a little bit of a that is a [TS]

01:07:26   little bit of a downside but yeah I find [TS]

01:07:28   like it's the it's the only way to to [TS]

01:07:31   keep track of that stuff but yeah in [TS]

01:07:33   theory i would want absolutely [TS]

01:07:35   everything to be in in one spot and I [TS]

01:07:38   actually also recommend doing the thing [TS]

01:07:42   that you're talking about here of [TS]

01:07:43   separating out a lot of those smaller [TS]

01:07:47   tasks and like those reminder tasks in [TS]

01:07:50   something else and I have it's actually [TS]

01:07:53   over the past few weeks i used to use do [TS]

01:07:56   for that but but I've actually been [TS]

01:07:57   migrating a bunch of my little reminders [TS]

01:08:00   and tasks like take out the trash do [TS]

01:08:04   some laundry you know that that kind of [TS]

01:08:05   stuff I've been migrating them over to [TS]

01:08:07   my old friend to do and and having [TS]

01:08:11   taking advantage of some of its little [TS]

01:08:13   reminder and nagging features to bug me [TS]

01:08:15   about things at certain levels one [TS]

01:08:17   interesting overpowered application for [TS]

01:08:20   the classics like that [TS]

01:08:21   yeah it's it is comically overpowered [TS]

01:08:24   for that particular purpose and in [TS]

01:08:28   theory i should be all of these names [TS]

01:08:30   are terrible [TS]

01:08:31   in theory i should be using do instead [TS]

01:08:34   of to do is to solve this problem but [TS]

01:08:38   because it's considered 325 now I'm [TS]

01:08:43   gonna make an app called you do who do [TS]

01:08:45   you do we do the Hoodoo [TS]

01:08:46   right because all of the do apps but I i [TS]

01:08:51   ran into some problems with do correctly [TS]

01:08:55   sinking across my various devices and so [TS]

01:08:58   I was going slowly insane with do trying [TS]

01:09:02   to remind me on a whole bunch of [TS]

01:09:03   different things about like to do [TS]

01:09:05   laundry I guess I've ticked off on the [TS]

01:09:06   laundry fun for different iPads I've [TS]

01:09:08   done it like I've done the laundry you [TS]

01:09:09   know just you don't have to tell me on [TS]

01:09:11   every single it was kind of driving me [TS]

01:09:12   crazy i can never quite get to work but [TS]

01:09:15   then but then i remembered like my old [TS]

01:09:16   friend to do how ridiculously [TS]

01:09:19   overpowered but has rock-solid sinking [TS]

01:09:23   and has better flexible reminders about [TS]

01:09:25   nagging me about this thing every minute [TS]

01:09:29   or every 15 minutes or every hour and so [TS]

01:09:31   a lot of those kind of things like you [TS]

01:09:34   know take vitamins [TS]

01:09:35   I'm moving those little things out of [TS]

01:09:37   OmniFocus and into to do and I quite [TS]

01:09:40   liked having that division and and that [TS]

01:09:43   feels quite natural in my head like oh [TS]

01:09:45   these aren't projects these are just [TS]

01:09:46   little reminders throughout the day it [TS]

01:09:48   makes sense to handle them someplace [TS]

01:09:50   else and to leave the the heavy lifting [TS]

01:09:53   of project management to OmniFocus you [TS]

01:09:58   know 44 wear it for where it shines [TS]

01:10:00   somebody did actually asked us an [TS]

01:10:03   overall scores question like if we used [TS]

01:10:05   you on different devices [TS]

01:10:07   I don't do that for me like I just don't [TS]

01:10:10   want those things popping up everywhere [TS]

01:10:13   like for me to you is a phone and watch [TS]

01:10:17   app that's all it is [TS]

01:10:19   yeah and sometimes I'm like I wish I [TS]

01:10:21   could put this task in on my iPad but I [TS]

01:10:24   know that if I put it there is that the [TS]

01:10:26   notifications turned off and that's kind [TS]

01:10:28   of going crazy in the background but I [TS]

01:10:29   don't ya any of that so I just I've [TS]

01:10:32   restrict it to phone and watch and most [TS]

01:10:36   of the time I can you get the watch to [TS]

01:10:38   enter the task right right way more the [TS]

01:10:41   time so like I'm i'm good with that [TS]

01:10:43   there i think that's a totally sensible [TS]

01:10:45   solution the reason that I don't do that [TS]

01:10:47   is because i am using the timer's of the [TS]

01:10:51   do app that is its primary feature to me [TS]

01:10:53   and I i want to on any device that [TS]

01:10:56   anybody anytime be able to start like I [TS]

01:10:59   am beginning a work unit [TS]

01:11:00   now click 40-minute time ago and i love [TS]

01:11:02   the way that reminds me that i can set [TS]

01:11:04   it was just a banner across the top of [TS]

01:11:05   the screen to poke me like the timer's [TS]

01:11:07   up the time is up but it doesn't [TS]

01:11:08   interrupt me so that's why I want that [TS]

01:11:10   immediately available on every device at [TS]

01:11:13   any time but then it like the the [TS]

01:11:16   sinking of reminders and things can be [TS]

01:11:17   crazy making so that's why it's like out [TS]

01:11:19   here i am i've got to separate out how [TS]

01:11:21   can like three apps with check marks on [TS]

01:11:23   my on my system here you know for for [TS]

01:11:25   managing different kinds of things but [TS]

01:11:27   that that's that's why I went with that [TS]

01:11:29   solution and then ago you mentioned [TS]

01:11:31   shared tasks and only focus who if [TS]

01:11:36   anything from history has shown us know [TS]

01:11:40   by what did begin people the good people [TS]

01:11:44   at OmniFocus they have been so [TS]

01:11:46   accommodating I will not let you do what [TS]

01:11:47   you're about to do I didn't say anything [TS]

01:11:49   ok alright we're not saying you didn't [TS]

01:11:51   see anything moving right along [TS]

01:11:53   Sam asked what RSS readers you use i [TS]

01:11:56   will ask do you even use one anymore [TS]

01:11:59   RSS is dead and oh ok here's the [TS]

01:12:03   technically my answer is no I don't use [TS]

01:12:07   an RSS reader [TS]

01:12:08   however I sort of have an RSS reader in [TS]

01:12:13   in that there are a very few websites [TS]

01:12:16   that i do follow and read but what i [TS]

01:12:19   have setup is in if this then that a [TS]

01:12:23   trigger that follows those RSS feeds and [TS]

01:12:26   automatically dumps the articles and [TS]

01:12:27   instapaper so ice sort of don't have an [TS]

01:12:32   RSS reader but I sort of do because i [TS]

01:12:35   have a small number of hand-picked [TS]

01:12:37   websites that i want to read what they [TS]

01:12:38   have and so like I guess [TS]

01:12:41   instapaper is kind of my RSS reader but [TS]

01:12:45   the difference is when I had a proper [TS]

01:12:47   RSS reader and speaking of fantastic [TS]

01:12:50   names i used reader are eedris my RSS [TS]

01:12:54   reader along with my do a poor timers [TS]

01:12:57   we're headed to the guys come on like [TS]

01:13:01   let's have names [TS]

01:13:02   wunderlist like it's a name its thing [TS]

01:13:04   people can use it as a work often you [TS]

01:13:07   have 200 it's not butter last night the [TS]

01:13:13   but so when I did have reader re EDR as [TS]

01:13:15   my RSS reader at that stage I had just [TS]

01:13:19   tons and tons of RSS items for all kinds [TS]

01:13:23   of things and I had little sub smart [TS]

01:13:24   lists and and I like to be able to blast [TS]

01:13:27   through a bunch of stuff that I follow [TS]

01:13:28   that way it's like I don't use [TS]

01:13:29   instapaper like that at all i think i [TS]

01:13:31   have maybe five websites that are [TS]

01:13:37   automatically dumping articles instance [TS]

01:13:39   the paper and all of those websites like [TS]

01:13:41   if they post one thing a week it's a lot [TS]

01:13:44   so it's it's ridiculously low volume but [TS]

01:13:47   so you don't have anything [TS]

01:13:48   RSS serves one purpose in my life now [TS]

01:13:50   and podcasts that's the ultimate RSS use [TS]

01:13:54   it's not costing so overcast is your RSS [TS]

01:13:59   reader that selectively yes it's the [TS]

01:14:01   only application i use i believe that [TS]

01:14:03   has any kind of RSS and I you know I [TS]

01:14:06   still subscribe to a feed wrangler like [TS]

01:14:10   it's still there right like i have an [TS]

01:14:12   RSS thing in the background i used to [TS]

01:14:15   use probably reader and unread as well [TS]

01:14:19   I've used those applications in the past [TS]

01:14:21   of their finance I just don't read news [TS]

01:14:23   in this way anymore so what I found out [TS]

01:14:26   was I would find every article i needed [TS]

01:14:29   because i've read twitter who everything [TS]

01:14:33   I need to see comes through there most [TS]

01:14:35   of the time it's for RSS feeds that I [TS]

01:14:37   was never subscribed to anyway right [TS]

01:14:40   like it would be something that came [TS]

01:14:41   from Bloomberg that I would need to read [TS]

01:14:43   by don't subscribe to Bloomberg's RSS [TS]

01:14:45   feed because it's too much or you know [TS]

01:14:47   the verge I would want to know their [TS]

01:14:49   stuff but in an RSS reader is like all [TS]

01:14:51   he's like 50 things that I don't care [TS]

01:14:53   about for the one thing that I do so I [TS]

01:14:55   follow a bunch of Twitter accounts for [TS]

01:14:58   you know sports I like to read including [TS]

01:15:01   the blog's my friends and stuff and then [TS]

01:15:04   you know like I'll subscribe to kc [TS]

01:15:06   Lissa's twitter account i will follow [TS]

01:15:07   marcos twitter account student org a [TS]

01:15:10   like and I get everything I need to get [TS]

01:15:12   that way because to officials what i [TS]

01:15:14   read this where I get that stuff the and [TS]

01:15:16   the idea of opening up an RSS [TS]

01:15:18   application and looking at all of the [TS]

01:15:21   things inside it just doesn't serve a [TS]

01:15:23   purpose of me anymore [TS]

01:15:24   yeah I remember when I for [TS]

01:15:26   are signed up for Twitter a while ago I [TS]

01:15:30   remember having the spin like I don't [TS]

01:15:31   really get twitter like I was having a [TS]

01:15:33   hard time figuring like what what [TS]

01:15:34   purpose does this serve in my life like [TS]

01:15:37   what it wouldn't exactly use for but i [TS]

01:15:40   do remember at some point it dawned on [TS]

01:15:41   me that oh this this is RSS for non [TS]

01:15:48   nerds like that this is in some ways a [TS]

01:15:50   much easier RSS like system it's not as [TS]

01:15:54   complete as RSS but it's way easier for [TS]

01:15:57   a normal person to sign up to a twitter [TS]

01:15:59   account and follow a bunch of sites that [TS]

01:16:01   are interesting to them and then be able [TS]

01:16:03   to log on and see stuff and I remember [TS]

01:16:05   that was the first time the Twitter [TS]

01:16:06   started to gel for me of work how do [TS]

01:16:08   people use this why do people use this [TS]

01:16:10   and and so yeah I I used to think over [TS]

01:16:13   twitter is nothing like RSS when people [TS]

01:16:15   say that one has replaced the other that [TS]

01:16:17   doesn't make any sense because our says [TS]

01:16:18   all these features but as I know how the [TS]

01:16:21   the 2i think it we really had like I [TS]

01:16:22   think what really has supplanted the [TS]

01:16:25   need for RSS in you know 99 percent of [TS]

01:16:29   the population that would be using an [TS]

01:16:31   RSS reader Joel ask what fonts do you [TS]

01:16:35   using your spreadsheets or any document [TS]

01:16:37   that requires formatting what's funny [TS]

01:16:45   have how fantastically specific i really [TS]

01:16:48   like this [TS]

01:16:49   what fun to use in your spreadsheet i [TS]

01:16:51   like the evo spreadsheets first [TS]

01:16:54   yeah I develop that that's what's making [TS]

01:16:55   me laugh is i don't i don't know it's [TS]

01:16:58   bought font i use in my spreadsheet it's [TS]

01:16:59   whatever the default one in numbers is i [TS]

01:17:01   think i had no idea if i if I'm using [TS]

01:17:04   something like it's like a numbers [TS]

01:17:06   spreadsheet or a google doc spreadsheet [TS]

01:17:08   or whatever [TS]

01:17:09   I'll tend to just go with whatever the [TS]

01:17:11   standard formatting is in stuff like [TS]

01:17:15   Google Docs and quit like they have a [TS]

01:17:17   bunch of options I just choose you know [TS]

01:17:19   a space sans-serif font that I like the [TS]

01:17:22   look of but for me like if I'm [TS]

01:17:26   formatting a document for somebody so [TS]

01:17:29   say like advertising proposal or [TS]

01:17:31   something i'm partial to feature a venir [TS]

01:17:35   and proximate over response that I like [TS]

01:17:38   to use I think that they're nice [TS]

01:17:39   I'm a couple of the couple of them [TS]

01:17:42   actually fit in with the kind of the [TS]

01:17:43   funds that we use on our website and [TS]

01:17:45   stuff like that and I just like those [TS]

01:17:47   fonts a lot so I would form at those [TS]

01:17:49   like for external documents and stuff [TS]

01:17:51   from outside of that I tend to just [TS]

01:17:53   cover the defaults i'm not i appreciate [TS]

01:17:56   a good-looking font but i'm not a font [TS]

01:17:58   nerd in such a way that i will go out of [TS]

01:18:01   my way to put a nice fun on my like [TS]

01:18:04   Google sheet that tracks some rubbish [TS]

01:18:08   that nobody else needs to see who this [TS]

01:18:12   like that i like the way you phrase that [TS]

01:18:13   like I appreciate a good-looking font [TS]

01:18:16   was walking down the street you know but [TS]

01:18:17   i won't go chase after that I'll turn my [TS]

01:18:19   head of black you know i'm happy with [TS]

01:18:22   the fonts that I've got doesn't mean I [TS]

01:18:24   have to go after you that that's like [TS]

01:18:26   that's what we're hearing you know I'm [TS]

01:18:28   another after all with four lots of [TS]

01:18:34   internal stuff I usually find that the [TS]

01:18:36   default is fine you know like I I don't [TS]

01:18:39   really care [TS]

01:18:40   I'm but I'm trying to run through [TS]

01:18:42   mentally think but there are places [TS]

01:18:43   where i am picky about fonts realize I [TS]

01:18:45   have three things which is to reading [TS]

01:18:48   things and writing and so in my mind [TS]

01:18:52   when i'm reading articles and instapaper [TS]

01:18:55   well that just has to be a sans-serif [TS]

01:18:57   because articles are less serious than a [TS]

01:18:59   book and a book requires serif fonts [TS]

01:19:02   it's like just this makes sense now it [TS]

01:19:05   doesn't make any sense at all but it's [TS]

01:19:07   totally a thing in my mind like I cannot [TS]

01:19:08   read this book in sans-serif this book [TS]

01:19:10   is not being serious enough and then if [TS]

01:19:13   instapaper when i install it on [TS]

01:19:14   something like if it for some reason has [TS]

01:19:16   the the serif fonts installed by default [TS]

01:19:18   I feel like oh come on who are you [TS]

01:19:20   kidding article urs serif font right [TS]

01:19:23   you're not putting on all of these [TS]

01:19:24   errors with these serif now i will only [TS]

01:19:26   read an article in serif fonts not serif [TS]

01:19:28   font right so that so that's two places [TS]

01:19:31   where I do have a preference for books [TS]

01:19:33   seraphs articles sans serifs and then [TS]

01:19:36   for for writing it is the one place [TS]

01:19:39   where i am a little bit picky about the [TS]

01:19:41   fonts that i use and i like to write [TS]

01:19:45   with a good programmer font so if i say [TS]

01:19:51   font is fixed with [TS]

01:19:53   you know what that means yeah kind of I [TS]

01:19:56   her people of explaining soon before I [TS]

01:19:59   can't really see the difference in a lot [TS]

01:20:02   of stuff but I understand what people [TS]

01:20:06   are saying yeah that all the characters [TS]

01:20:09   are fixed width apart right right [TS]

01:20:13   this goes back to the olden days of [TS]

01:20:16   computing and when you could fit [TS]

01:20:20   characters only in certain places on the [TS]

01:20:22   screens like because of the way the [TS]

01:20:23   programs were written or actually what I [TS]

01:20:25   thought but I think of is is like the [TS]

01:20:27   old style notice boards in train [TS]

01:20:30   stations where they're rolling over a [TS]

01:20:32   bunch of letters and and to spell out [TS]

01:20:34   the name of a town that is a place where [TS]

01:20:36   you would write a4a use a fixed width [TS]

01:20:38   font because you want all of the letters [TS]

01:20:40   to be approximately the same with [TS]

01:20:43   otherwise it will read strange if on a [TS]

01:20:47   board that's flipping over letters you [TS]

01:20:48   have a thin I that's just floating in [TS]

01:20:50   the middle of its little box and on one [TS]

01:20:53   side of it is is like a big fat 0 taking [TS]

01:20:56   up all the space it just it looks weird [TS]

01:20:58   if if they're not all the same size and [TS]

01:21:01   for some reason when i am writing I i [TS]

01:21:05   really want a nice fixed width font and [TS]

01:21:08   so there are a whole family of fonts [TS]

01:21:13   that are designed to to do this for [TS]

01:21:16   programmers because if you are a [TS]

01:21:18   computer programmer there are many [TS]

01:21:20   advantages to doing to being able to [TS]

01:21:22   look at the length of the line that [TS]

01:21:25   something of something that you have [TS]

01:21:27   written and knowing approximately how [TS]

01:21:29   many characters it is knowing that you [TS]

01:21:31   can compare the line above the line [TS]

01:21:32   below about how many characters are in [TS]

01:21:34   it and so I for a long time i have been [TS]

01:21:38   using inconsolata and is the name of a [TS]

01:21:41   font that I quite like four as a writing [TS]

01:21:45   font there's if there's a few others out [TS]

01:21:46   there but if you just if you're the kind [TS]

01:21:48   of person who cares about this stuff if [TS]

01:21:51   you just Google programmer fonts you [TS]

01:21:53   will find there are a bunch of options [TS]

01:21:55   of different fonts that you can try out [TS]

01:21:57   that RR nyce for this sort of thing and [TS]

01:21:59   so on the ipad for anybody who was [TS]

01:22:02   wondering I because the ipad has a [TS]

01:22:05   limited number of fonts there is an app [TS]

01:22:07   called any font that will allow you to [TS]

01:22:11   install a custom font that you can then [TS]

01:22:14   use in other applications and so that's [TS]

01:22:17   how I'm able to get a font like [TS]

01:22:19   inconsolata onto my ipad 2 then use in [TS]

01:22:23   the writing environment even if it's not [TS]

01:22:25   built into the ipad by default [TS]

01:22:27   Sammy lost what kind of headphones do [TS]

01:22:29   you guys use which made me think you [TS]

01:22:32   back to using headphones because [TS]

01:22:34   remember when you you took your time [TS]

01:22:35   away from the internet you also kind of [TS]

01:22:38   stopped listening to stuff right so you [TS]

01:22:40   weren't using headphones or maybe we're [TS]

01:22:42   mean you made up that day and you didn't [TS]

01:22:44   have headphones on and i was very [TS]

01:22:45   confused [TS]

01:22:46   au back to using headphones again when [TS]

01:22:49   you're kind of walking around town when [TS]

01:22:53   I walking around the town like looking [TS]

01:22:54   at fonts that i have three headphones [TS]

01:22:59   that i can recommend for very specific [TS]

01:23:01   purposes are you ready I'm so ready [TS]

01:23:05   ok big heavy-duty headphones which I've [TS]

01:23:08   mentioned before on the show are the [TS]

01:23:10   bose noise cancelling headphones which [TS]

01:23:13   are worth their weight in gold [TS]

01:23:15   when you are on an airplane and there [TS]

01:23:17   was a crying baby because their noise [TS]

01:23:20   cancelling can mute the sound of that [TS]

01:23:23   baby and and make it like he's sitting [TS]

01:23:25   way further behind than he actually is [TS]

01:23:27   and those are the headphones I'm also [TS]

01:23:29   wearing right now as I record because [TS]

01:23:31   they're nice and big [TS]

01:23:32   over-ear headphones so I think of these [TS]

01:23:34   like the heavy-duty headphones i'm [TS]

01:23:35   recording a podcast or i am on an [TS]

01:23:39   airplane trying to artificially create [TS]

01:23:41   more space between myself and the people [TS]

01:23:43   around me they are fantastic but because [TS]

01:23:47   the noise cancelling they are i think a [TS]

01:23:49   legitimate hazard to ever wear outside [TS]

01:23:51   because if you have them on you will not [TS]

01:23:54   hear cars approaching you will not hear [TS]

01:23:56   any kind of warning sounds it is very [TS]

01:23:59   easy to be oblivious with these outside [TS]

01:24:00   so I cannot recommend them under those [TS]

01:24:02   circumstances i strongly believe if you [TS]

01:24:05   were nice counseling headphones outside [TS]

01:24:07   it is just a matter of time until you [TS]

01:24:09   get hit by a vehicle [TS]

01:24:10   yeah it really is i'm like that i have [TS]

01:24:13   done it on occasion if I'm like I don't [TS]

01:24:16   have anything else available to me [TS]

01:24:18   but the first couple of times I did it [TS]

01:24:20   and I had them on my head all the way I [TS]

01:24:22   was like whoa you cannot do this you [TS]

01:24:24   have to have one year open to the world [TS]

01:24:27   otherwise it is like you're just asking [TS]

01:24:28   to die that's the thrill it's all your [TS]

01:24:31   doing [TS]

01:24:31   but even with one head with only the [TS]

01:24:33   only one here covered i still don't [TS]

01:24:35   recommend it if you just don't realize [TS]

01:24:37   how effective they are at making things [TS]

01:24:40   sound way further away than they are not [TS]

01:24:43   even noticing stuff now the question [TS]

01:24:47   that you're wanting to know is like my [TS]

01:24:48   walking around headphones and for those [TS]

01:24:51   i recommend the jaybird x2 bluetooth [TS]

01:24:55   headphones they are fantastic [TS]

01:24:58   they're super small in ear bluetooth [TS]

01:25:02   headphones and what i want to recommend [TS]

01:25:05   to people who get them is you'll see the [TS]

01:25:08   picture is where people are kind of [TS]

01:25:10   wearing them dangled around in front of [TS]

01:25:12   them but if you open the instruction [TS]

01:25:13   book that you get these headphones [TS]

01:25:14   people don't notice this but they have [TS]

01:25:17   this fancy way to fold them up so that [TS]

01:25:20   the headphone wire goes behind your head [TS]

01:25:23   so you just you just stick the two [TS]

01:25:25   headphones in your years and you can run [TS]

01:25:27   the wire over the top of your ear and [TS]

01:25:29   around the back of your head and those [TS]

01:25:32   headphones are fantastic like i'm not a [TS]

01:25:35   huge audio file so i don't care a lot [TS]

01:25:36   about these like super high sound [TS]

01:25:39   quality like I can't speak to that they [TS]

01:25:40   seem fine from my perspective by the [TS]

01:25:43   thing that I love about them is they are [TS]

01:25:45   ridiculously small the battery genuinely [TS]

01:25:48   last for a full workday out in the world [TS]

01:25:51   and they're really light and they're [TS]

01:25:54   really comfortable they take a little [TS]

01:25:56   while to get used to like I push these [TS]

01:25:58   on people like no you gotta stick with [TS]

01:25:59   it like you gotta try it out you gotta [TS]

01:26:00   just go with it is going to be weird at [TS]

01:26:02   first but you can like it and and i have [TS]

01:26:05   yet to fail with convincing someone that [TS]

01:26:07   if you give these a shot they are great [TS]

01:26:09   they're especially great for something [TS]

01:26:12   like the gym I cannot imagine going into [TS]

01:26:15   the gym with wired headphones at this [TS]

01:26:17   point and to have like a little tiny [TS]

01:26:18   pair of headphones you can just put over [TS]

01:26:20   years totally out of the way totally [TS]

01:26:22   hands-free it is fantastic [TS]

01:26:25   although i am absolutely convinced that [TS]

01:26:28   the bluetooth headphones make a [TS]

01:26:30   significant dent [TS]

01:26:31   in how long the battery lasts on your [TS]

01:26:34   phone and her i really wish Apple would [TS]

01:26:37   show like Bluetooth usage in their [TS]

01:26:39   little battery drain thing because it's [TS]

01:26:41   like like this i can tell this makes a [TS]

01:26:43   big difference but i would love to know [TS]

01:26:45   how much of a difference like how much [TS]

01:26:46   of the battery is the bluetooth [TS]

01:26:47   headphone using from the phone I don't [TS]

01:26:49   know so that is the one downside but [TS]

01:26:52   otherwise I quite like them but I have [TS]

01:26:54   one more wild card recommendation like [TS]

01:26:56   oh god my wildcard recommendation is a [TS]

01:27:00   headphone called the tracks titanium [TS]

01:27:04   have you heard of this but why are you [TS]

01:27:08   laughing already [TS]

01:27:09   the name sounds weird so I expect it's [TS]

01:27:12   gonna be really weird [TS]

01:27:13   these are bluetooth headphones what on [TS]

01:27:16   uh they are not over ear headphones like [TS]

01:27:19   the bose noise cancelling they are not [TS]

01:27:21   in ear headphones like the jaybird [TS]

01:27:24   headphones they are outside of your ear [TS]

01:27:29   through the bone on the side of your [TS]

01:27:32   head phone vibration type things right [TS]

01:27:35   right yeah so this comes from that [TS]

01:27:39   there's a demonstration that I used to [TS]

01:27:41   do is a physics teacher with kids which [TS]

01:27:42   met you may or may not have ever done [TS]

01:27:44   this listener this may or may not have [TS]

01:27:45   ever done this in school but with tuning [TS]

01:27:47   forks that was fantastic to really freak [TS]

01:27:50   out kid sometimes some kids reacted like [TS]

01:27:52   really poorly to this which is great you [TS]

01:27:55   take a tuning fork right and you strike [TS]

01:27:57   it so it makes a little noise and then [TS]

01:27:59   you pull up like it's a magic class of [TS]

01:28:01   volunteer from the audience right like [TS]

01:28:03   come up and you take the tuning fork and [TS]

01:28:05   you put it against the side of the kid's [TS]

01:28:07   head sort of by the ear just in front of [TS]

01:28:10   its and what happens is the subjective [TS]

01:28:14   experience goes from i am hearing a [TS]

01:28:18   sound that is coming out from the [TS]

01:28:20   outside of my head too i am hearing [TS]

01:28:24   something that is originating from [TS]

01:28:27   inside of my head right suddenly your [TS]

01:28:30   brain has a hard time placing where the [TS]

01:28:31   sound is coming from and for some people [TS]

01:28:33   it places the source of the sound as in [TS]

01:28:36   the center of your skull which freaks [TS]

01:28:39   some people really out badly would like [TS]

01:28:41   the tuning forks in my head like what [TS]

01:28:43   you know is right now it's just on the [TS]

01:28:44   side of your [TS]

01:28:45   my problem is I'm yeah but if you think [TS]

01:28:49   about the way your brain works right you [TS]

01:28:50   are able to place where sounds are in [TS]

01:28:53   the world and the end this effect of [TS]

01:28:55   vibrating the bone that's in your head [TS]

01:28:57   your brain can interpret it as the [TS]

01:28:59   source of the sound is located in the [TS]

01:29:01   center of your skull which is not [TS]

01:29:03   normally a place that you hear sounds [TS]

01:29:05   emanating from so some people react [TS]

01:29:06   really really to it but the tracks [TS]

01:29:08   titanium headphones reproduce that [TS]

01:29:11   affect a little bit of creating a source [TS]

01:29:14   of sound that feels to some extent like [TS]

01:29:17   it is coming from inside your head [TS]

01:29:20   it is not coming from outside of your [TS]

01:29:22   head now the interesting thing about [TS]

01:29:24   these headphones is that they leave your [TS]

01:29:27   ears free there's nothing blocking your [TS]

01:29:29   ears even when you're just wearing it [TS]

01:29:31   over your head and so the reason that i [TS]

01:29:36   have these headphones is because when my [TS]

01:29:40   work office starts filling up with a [TS]

01:29:42   bunch of people I don't want to be [TS]

01:29:44   playing loud thunder sound storms and [TS]

01:29:46   music in this environment so I do want [TS]

01:29:49   to put on headphones but i also want to [TS]

01:29:50   hear myself speak so I got these [TS]

01:29:52   headphones because they don't block the [TS]

01:29:54   years and so I can still hear music or [TS]

01:29:58   hear thunder sounds and also very [TS]

01:30:00   clearly hear myself talking while I'm [TS]

01:30:02   working on a script and writing a script [TS]

01:30:04   so these headphones are are very very [TS]

01:30:07   strange i'm sure look at these [TS]

01:30:09   headphones definitely don't add to the [TS]

01:30:12   whole weirdness of the scenario that [TS]

01:30:14   you're in [TS]

01:30:15   yeah he's also wearing his crazy future [TS]

01:30:20   advisor to that's good to know it [TS]

01:30:22   doesn't feel these things don't really [TS]

01:30:23   occur to me until you say the mic like [TS]

01:30:25   nothing I can see this this is why you [TS]

01:30:27   need me in your office [TS]

01:30:28   no I do not need you in my office but so [TS]

01:30:31   anyway these headphones are there [TS]

01:30:32   they're very interesting [TS]

01:30:33   they're very different but but this is [TS]

01:30:37   going to be one of those things where I [TS]

01:30:38   mentioned as the wild-card of your [TS]

01:30:41   either going to love it or you're not [TS]

01:30:45   going to like it at all but but like you [TS]

01:30:49   maybe a person for which this sounds [TS]

01:30:51   like exactly the thing you want i really [TS]

01:30:53   want to try these I I do really want to [TS]

01:30:55   try these [TS]

01:30:56   this is because I've never experienced [TS]

01:30:58   that before but I don't know if I really [TS]

01:31:00   I really want to 110 pounds try them [TS]

01:31:03   right next time next time we meet up [TS]

01:31:06   i'll remind me to bring them along and [TS]

01:31:08   I'll bring along the headphones will try [TS]

01:31:09   the headphones will do the spreadsheet [TS]

01:31:11   thing just like I promised I haven't [TS]

01:31:12   forgotten like will do that and and so [TS]

01:31:15   you can you can try out these various [TS]

01:31:16   things the the apple one of the [TS]

01:31:18   applications that they mentioned on [TS]

01:31:19   their website which i think is really [TS]

01:31:20   interesting is for blind people that [TS]

01:31:23   this [TS]

01:31:23   this allows if you are applying for you [TS]

01:31:26   to be able to listen to a source of [TS]

01:31:29   audio while not blocking the primary way [TS]

01:31:32   that you know where you are in the world [TS]

01:31:34   right of hearing what's going on around [TS]

01:31:35   you basically so you can listen to music [TS]

01:31:37   about sensory deprivation exactly right [TS]

01:31:41   it's like it's one of those things like [TS]

01:31:44   it would never have occurred to me but [TS]

01:31:45   like yes this is this is this is a [TS]

01:31:47   fantastic feature if you are blind like [TS]

01:31:50   the these are the headphones you never [TS]

01:31:52   knew that you wanted and must be amazing [TS]

01:31:53   to use it's like I happen to have a [TS]

01:31:56   particularly narrow use case for how I [TS]

01:31:59   want to use these things but I can see [TS]

01:32:01   where they're useful to other people as [TS]

01:32:02   well as anybody uses these I be quite [TS]

01:32:04   curious like why would you want to use [TS]

01:32:05   them or or like what do you see cuz I I [TS]

01:32:08   just kinda wonder like how many people [TS]

01:32:09   buy them or how big is the market who [TS]

01:32:11   who else has a need for these but i but [TS]

01:32:13   i really like them and I found myself [TS]

01:32:16   using them much more than i anticipated [TS]

01:32:19   that I that I would so I quite like them [TS]

01:32:22   some people might really hate them and [TS]

01:32:24   and deeply just like the the sound is [TS]

01:32:26   coming from the inside of my head effect [TS]

01:32:28   so my have fun pics are nowhere near as [TS]

01:32:31   interesting you should have gone first [TS]

01:32:33   my know the gun first tell me about your [TS]

01:32:36   boring had fun i use their pods the [TS]

01:32:38   Apple earpods quite a lot because I [TS]

01:32:40   always had them in my pocket so like I [TS]

01:32:42   all my god could it be more boring [TS]

01:32:44   Minimum Viable had fun for all times i [TS]

01:32:48   have sent as Paris sennheiser MM 400ex [TS]

01:32:51   stereo bluetooth on ear headphones they [TS]

01:32:55   have physical controls on the side that [TS]

01:32:57   I really liked so I can play and pull [TS]

01:32:59   stuff they do not sound good at all [TS]

01:33:01   that's the Marco recommendation isn't [TS]

01:33:03   yes there is a theme for my have fun [TS]

01:33:05   things here look at the theme is Michael [TS]

01:33:07   on it [TS]

01:33:08   the theme is somebody else told you to [TS]

01:33:10   buy them [TS]

01:33:11   literally he did was I was in his house [TS]

01:33:13   seems like he get put them in my hands [TS]

01:33:15   like they're the ones you need to buy [TS]

01:33:16   and he's right because they're good for [TS]

01:33:18   podcasting the terrible for music but [TS]

01:33:21   they have the physical buttons on the [TS]

01:33:22   side which which are really good [TS]

01:33:24   I really don't like two things about [TS]

01:33:27   headphones i don't like in here and I [TS]

01:33:30   don't like noise cancelling for some [TS]

01:33:31   reason in-ear headphones never stay in [TS]

01:33:33   my left ear doesn't matter what type [TS]

01:33:35   they will never stay in my left ear and [TS]

01:33:37   noise cancelling makes me feel nauseous [TS]

01:33:40   yeah the other noise cancelling does [TS]

01:33:41   have that effect on some people of not [TS]

01:33:43   feeling great and I think it might be an [TS]

01:33:45   offshoot of motion sickness [TS]

01:33:46   now I wouldn't i wouldn't be surprised [TS]

01:33:48   if it's something like that although I I [TS]

01:33:51   am increasingly susceptible to motion [TS]

01:33:54   sickness but the the noise cancelling [TS]

01:33:56   doesn't bother me but have some people [TS]

01:33:57   just react very poorly to it they don't [TS]

01:33:59   like it at all [TS]

01:34:00   the headphones i am wearing right now my [TS]

01:34:02   recording headphones are the bear [TS]

01:34:03   dynamic dt 770 dt sep DET seven haha [TS]

01:34:08   c'mon man you can do it [TS]

01:34:10   tell her killer I think I can I think I [TS]

01:34:12   can i buy the baby a dynamic dt 770 pro [TS]

01:34:16   headphones 32 arm [TS]

01:34:18   wow sounds pretty serious they will put [TS]

01:34:21   on my head and marcos house right here [TS]

01:34:23   going and continuing the theme i listen [TS]

01:34:25   to some music and I heard things in the [TS]

01:34:28   music had never heard before my only use [TS]

01:34:31   these to record they are incredibly good [TS]

01:34:33   letting me hear things in the audio that [TS]

01:34:36   that I want to hear and they are very [TS]

01:34:38   comfortable for me to wear for multiple [TS]

01:34:41   hour stretches a day which is so the day [TS]

01:34:43   on my recording headphones right that [TS]

01:34:45   that's a requirement for you [TS]

01:34:47   the one thing i don't like about these [TS]

01:34:48   is the cable i really like it when the [TS]

01:34:50   cable is coiled because it stays out of [TS]

01:34:52   the way more this isn't I don't like the [TS]

01:34:54   cable on these but everything else is [TS]

01:34:55   fantastic i have some pair of bose [TS]

01:34:59   headphones that i bought in an airport a [TS]

01:35:01   long time ago that i use for airport [TS]

01:35:03   travel just because they cover my ears [TS]

01:35:04   so it's the closest I can get they're [TS]

01:35:06   not great [TS]

01:35:07   I don't necessarily recommend them but [TS]

01:35:08   they do that job I've had my eye on the [TS]

01:35:11   Bang & Olufsen h6 second-generation [TS]

01:35:15   another Marco pick and a few of my [TS]

01:35:18   friends of all of them and I've tried [TS]

01:35:20   them and they're amazing but i only use [TS]

01:35:23   headphones like this when I [TS]

01:35:24   travel and I just haven't I haven't felt [TS]

01:35:26   the desire to spend a few hundred pounds [TS]

01:35:28   on these yet whenever my current [TS]

01:35:31   traveling headphones like but the dust [TS]

01:35:33   this is probably why what I will go [TS]

01:35:35   ahead and buy that this is something I [TS]

01:35:38   have my own but I just haven't I haven't [TS]

01:35:40   pulled the trigger on it just because [TS]

01:35:41   the use cases so is so slim and the ones [TS]

01:35:44   that i have really do the job that I [TS]

01:35:46   need them to do to be honest we have my [TS]

01:35:49   headphones nowhere near as exciting [TS]

01:35:51   right like I he did interrupt you there [TS]

01:35:53   but we have to go and we have to go [TS]

01:35:55   right now gotta go guy who [TS]

01:35:58   goodbye goodbye thank you adorable [TS]

01:36:01   macbook [TS]