Cortex 34: Punch Card System


  the last time on the show we debuted are [TS]

  two spin-off shows cortex and I just [TS]

  wondered if you had happened upon the [TS]

  artwork that has been created for those [TS]

  two shows [TS]

  we're nearly there now for lunch is that [TS]

  all that's required for a new podcast is [TS]

  just simply some fantastic artwork is [TS]

  that the is that the first step towards [TS]

  making a new podcast once the artwork is [TS]

  made and if the artwork is good at that [TS]

  point you have to do the show because [TS]

  you got the artwork that's the way I [TS]

  look at it anyway that is not the way i [TS]

  look at it but I like this [TS]

  cortech caretech artwork but just to be [TS]

  clear in my terms of service this does [TS]

  not obligate me to actually doing new [TS]

  shows is just step one now is it step 0 [TS]

  Mike have you seen this mechanical ipad [TS]

  pro keyboard that's been going around [TS]

  the internet last few days [TS]

  why indeed i have Mike indeed I have [TS]

  it's made by razr and razr they make [TS]

  like gaming pcs right like that and [TS]

  peripherals I think more of like a [TS]

  gaming company [TS]

  yeah they make very cool-looking gaming [TS]

  peripheries yeah they're they're very [TS]

  awesome looking stuff like we have lots [TS]

  of lights and so customizable and and [TS]

  lots of crazy stuff you can do with it [TS]

  yep lots of green and blue neon you know [TS]

  you can't have a really solid piece of [TS]

  gaming equipment unless it is neon green [TS]

  or blue today I'm looking at their [TS]

  website right now at the razer [TS]

  blackwidow chroma against an amazing [TS]

  name with that I have never seen [TS]

  something so insane just go to this URL [TS]

  and just check out the gif that they've [TS]

  got running at the top [TS]

  ok let me look at this thing rules [TS]

  nobody needs that computer to do this [TS]

  you are actually maybe everybody does i [TS]

  think everybody does 444 listener [TS]

  it's a it's a keyboard the reason [TS]

  they're calling it the chrome eyes it [TS]

  looks like it it will dance rainbow [TS]

  colors across and around all of the keys [TS]

  that they must have a whole bunch of [TS]

  leds behind all of the keys so that the [TS]

  dancing rainbow across your keyboard [TS]

  looks awesome [TS]

  yeah I kind of want this is this is how [TS]

  they get you [TS]

  exactly i have i have been on their site [TS]

  i have known about them because every [TS]

  once in a while remember some piece of [TS]

  gaming equipment or gear and i'll look [TS]

  at their website don't think [TS]

  whoo-hoo it all looks so cool i've never [TS]

  actually bought look I just don't have [TS]

  any real need for this stuff but it's [TS]

  always very tempting [TS]

  well i have often considered a gaming [TS]

  mouse who and a friend of the show [TS]

  underscore David Smith suggested this to [TS]

  me when I was having RSI problems you [TS]

  know because the programmable buttons a [TS]

  way out easier to to trigger and they're [TS]

  made for that so I've considered it like [TS]

  you know one of those ones that had [TS]

  looks like basically buttons have been [TS]

  vomited onto the mouse and I've [TS]

  considered it but I haven't done yet [TS]

  just because I love my my wacom and [TS]

  tripod set up so much but if I ever [TS]

  decide to go back to mice again I'm [TS]

  gonna look into gaming mice [TS]

  that's what I also i also like their [TS]

  names they have the deathadder chroma [TS]

  haha another name for a mouse [TS]

  there's the Diamondback there's the [TS]

  abyss and these are fantastic names as [TS]

  well yeah thatthat's the deathadder [TS]

  chroma is an ergonomic mouse to how can [TS]

  you know how can you not but it's also [TS]

  got rainbow leds in it are ma'am don't [TS]

  get the drive everyone crazy you get you [TS]

  just get it take you to a co-working [TS]

  space you get the chroma key board and [TS]

  the current mouse and you just having a [TS]

  little raven the corner the or Boris [TS]

  wireless gaming mouse that looks pretty [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  look at this thing i have to tell you [TS]

  how you know you're in a gaming website [TS]

  when all of the photos of the mice have [TS]

  cords on them [TS]

  yes yeah that's that's how you know [TS]

  you're looking at gaming peripherals [TS]

  right oh I don't like this one it's got [TS]

  snake ever look at it so it's like a [TS]

  badass transformer amount it looks like [TS]

  Batman's mouse [TS]

  yeah it looks like it looks like the [TS]

  Batmobile in terms of a mouse [TS]

  yeah i kinda want this one now right it [TS]

  was taking lots of sharp edges to cut [TS]

  your hands but it doesn't matter because [TS]

  you're gaming pro but uh but this one [TS]

  doesn't have rainbow leds on it so yeah [TS]

  but it comes with the snake apparently [TS]

  if the picture is to be believed [TS]

  I don't commit really wanted anyway see [TS]

  what this is this is we're getting [TS]

  distracted by all of follow the crew [TS]

  looking gamer gear you can't help but be [TS]

  distracted so razor have made a keyboard [TS]

  case for the ipad pro 12.9 inch where [TS]

  the keyboard side of the case features a [TS]

  mechanical switch keyboard that they [TS]

  have created it is a mechanical key [TS]

  design of their own design as ultra low [TS]

  profile right it's not the big huge [TS]

  clicking keyboard like you have to [TS]

  demonstrate clicky keyboard for the [TS]

  listener great okay this is me typing on [TS]

  keyboard i don't know if you can hear [TS]

  that we can hear like that has a deep [TS]

  switch on it right like this that i [TS]

  don't like some homeless to it and I [TS]

  expect that this isn't that i'll put a [TS]

  link in the show notes to a video that [TS]

  Austin evidence did on youtube kind of [TS]

  testing it out and you can kind of hear [TS]

  it and it basically sounds like a laptop [TS]

  keyboard right yeah and it looks like [TS]

  it's got a bit more travel on its [TS]

  thicker but the thing that interests me [TS]

  the most about this is it comes with [TS]

  like them stand there like two parts the [TS]

  keyboard part which can be detached from [TS]

  the stand / case part and the case the [TS]

  sound on the case can be put into [TS]

  multiple different viewing angles [TS]

  that's what interests me who because [TS]

  this mark keyboards they have terrible [TS]

  viewing angles [TS]

  yeah it's this is one of those products [TS]

  that I'm interested in but i would [TS]

  totally just have to handle it in person [TS]

  and picture [TS]

  yeah because it's just him that there's [TS]

  no amount of the most amazing video [TS]

  review of this thing doesn't convey the [TS]

  information that you need to know yet [TS]

  with a keyboard so much of it is the [TS]

  feel of it and how much do you actually [TS]

  like typing on the thing how much better [TS]

  are those mechanical switches i got it i [TS]

  might who knows I might actually not [TS]

  like typing on a mechanical keyboard [TS]

  that has very low travel maybe my brain [TS]

  is super used to the idea of clicking [TS]

  switches have huge amounts of travel [TS]

  like you know my keyboard it has a lot [TS]

  of depth when i press each of those [TS]

  buttons is also questions of weight i [TS]

  just have to say I think it's a really [TS]

  interesting product i think it is really [TS]

  interesting that a company is even [TS]

  estimating that there is a market for [TS]

  this that they put the money into [TS]

  product development [TS]

  exactly that that's what i find is very [TS]

  interesting about this and what I really [TS]

  like about this is I feel like it's a [TS]

  little indication of companies willing [TS]

  to do crazy extra stuff for the [TS]

  pro-market using the big ipad pro yeah [TS]

  the guy I'm glad this thing exists i [TS]

  would love to try it out in person to [TS]

  see what it is like but I'm even gladder [TS]

  that someone is willing to roll the dice [TS]

  on this thinking there might actually be [TS]

  a market of people who want to buy [TS]

  mechanical keyboard for their ipad bro [TS]

  yep I don't think I want this I think [TS]

  that the smart keyboard is fine for me [TS]

  but i do want to try it [TS]

  look I don't like that it will be so [TS]

  thick and so heavy like it will be like [TS]

  carrying a laptop instead of an ipad but [TS]

  I i'm interested in giving it a go but [TS]

  it isn't easy [TS]

  he doesn't seem easier to get my hands [TS]

  on all these to try like if it was on [TS]

  amazon but it's not right now at least [TS]

  in the UK and I would just got excellent [TS]

  beer in a day and I could return it but [TS]

  other than that like I'm gonna keep my [TS]

  eye on the electronic stores when I'm [TS]

  out and about to see if they got one in [TS]

  there you know so i can actually track [TS]

  typing on it i could tell you what [TS]

  probably won't have it which is the [TS]

  apple store be very surprised at the [TS]

  apple store carries this which it should [TS]

  because this is a pro accessory for [TS]

  their product but I think Apple probably [TS]

  doesn't like that they're not using the [TS]

  smart connected they could be using [TS]

  bluetooth [TS]

  yeah but the bluetooth is a bit of a [TS]

  feature that because it allows you to [TS]

  have this screen disconnected from the [TS]

  keyboard and for years and years when I [TS]

  was writing on my iPad before smart [TS]

  keyboard covers and ipad pros existed i [TS]

  was using a bluetooth keyboard with an [TS]

  ipad and that was a really great feature [TS]

  being able to separate the screen from [TS]

  the keyboard to not have to have my [TS]

  hands right up against the edge of it [TS]

  and met that's what they actually do get [TS]

  kind of annoyed with some apps on the [TS]

  iPad pro of how you are typing at the [TS]

  very bottom of the screen and that [TS]

  you're your own hands can get in the way [TS]

  of looking at the words that you're [TS]

  trying to type so sometimes it's nice to [TS]

  have a bit of space between the screen [TS]

  and the keyboard so using bluetooth like [TS]

  I could actually see them sitting in a [TS]

  in a meeting room somewhere and deciding [TS]

  entirely not for licensing reasons or [TS]

  anything [TS]

  but they want to go bluetooth for that [TS]

  feature that they don't want to use the [TS]

  Smart connector I think part of the [TS]

  reason mind on the Bluetooth because [TS]

  they wanted the keys to be backlit and [TS]

  if you need the keys to be back late has [TS]

  to have a battery and anyway so might as [TS]

  well go to put you through [TS]

  right exactly are you you have to go [TS]

  down you have to go down this path I i [TS]

  suspect that the weight in this one [TS]

  would be a killer for me [TS]

  yeah because i think i think the ipad [TS]

  pro is already right on the edge of what [TS]

  I'm willing to carry around [TS]

  I agree so that like this past summer [TS]

  when i was doing all of my travels I was [TS]

  using primarily the ipad pro and when I [TS]

  am traveling i don't normally do it but [TS]

  when I'm traveling I put the the back [TS]

  case on the ipad pro that whatever it is [TS]

  like the silicon-silicon back case think [TS]

  the super expensive [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs the ridiculous one but [TS]

  that does fit very nicely with the smart [TS]

  keyboard cover and I do that mainly [TS]

  because i'm thinking i'm going to be [TS]

  moving this thing around a lot i'm [TS]

  traveling and this is this is a really [TS]

  like I vastly increase the probability [TS]

  of dropping this and so I want to have a [TS]

  bit more protection but I was really [TS]

  aware that the ipad pro with the back [TS]

  case and the keyboard cover [TS]

  I don't want to carry a thing that's [TS]

  grams heavier than that that is [TS]

  absolutely right at the edge of what i [TS]

  want to be carrying around anyway yeah [TS]

  whenever I take the keyboard cover our [TS]

  family surprised how light is MH which [TS]

  is frustrating but it's just because [TS]

  it's so much material which actually [TS]

  brings me on to another question that i [TS]

  have that you probably know what I'm [TS]

  going to ask you here to picture the [TS]

  other day of your speed your baby pro [TS]

  sitting in the keyboard cover of the big [TS]

  Pro yep [TS]

  wait wait then i'm typing comfortably [TS]

  that's what I'm doing to you if you [TS]

  tried of like for a long period of time [TS]

  the smaller 9.7 keyboard cover yeah yeah [TS]

  I identified I definitely did I tried [TS]

  the smaller keyboard cover [TS]

  it's fine it's totally fine but i would [TS]

  prefer to use the bigger one right but [TS]

  why don't you just use a bluetooth [TS]

  keyboard like if in this scenario why [TS]

  you using the case i'm using the case [TS]

  because that that particular ipad the [TS]

  little the little baby pro I'm often [TS]

  just using it on the couch [TS]

  and it's really comfortable sitting on [TS]

  the couch while watching TV to use the [TS]

  full-size keyboard cover to have the [TS]

  thing in my lap to type on like it's [TS]

  just it's very convenient to single [TS]

  little piece plus with the keyboard case [TS]

  i don't have to worry about charging it [TS]

  its i just find it's a very comfortable [TS]

  experience and and i want to reiterate [TS]

  again that whoever is on the design team [TS]

  for the the keyboard cases for these [TS]

  ipads it isn't it's an incredible [TS]

  incredible job without a doubt that is [TS]

  the keyboard that I type of the most on [TS]

  is is like that that keyboard cover and [TS]

  I just absolutely love it like I think [TS]

  it's a really fantastic keyboard say i [TS]

  use them both right because my ipad pros [TS]

  at both in the cases typically bookcases [TS]

  and I love both keyboards I think [TS]

  they're both great it is more cramped [TS]

  than 9.71 but you just readjust to Italy [TS]

  surprisingly fast i can go from one to [TS]

  the other and value even notice you know [TS]

  I just really really really wish they [TS]

  would give me a UK layout [TS]

  I don't know why it's so difficult for [TS]

  them to do this but they haven't done [TS]

  this and it's nearly been a year now [TS]

  no no it's not my problem American [TS]

  layout is clearly superior at return key [TS]

  know sometimes no no it's the chumps [TS]

  it's easy it's easier to hit you have to [TS]

  move your pinky let's hit the return key [TS]

  on the US keyboard it's great huh [TS]

  not that i will actually argue that it [TS]

  is the superior layout and argue that [TS]

  but that is but that aside this is the [TS]

  big problem for anybody who wants to [TS]

  compete with what am I going to use for [TS]

  a keyboard on my iPad pro is that I [TS]

  really really like the keyboard cover [TS]

  that Apple makes I think it's fantastic [TS]

  it's really light i never have two [TS]

  parallel power it i never have to worry [TS]

  about connecting it just it wins on [TS]

  every level the convenience of it makes [TS]

  up for all the things you might not like [TS]

  about it right like the fact that it's [TS]

  not that the switches are amazing right [TS]

  there is a lot of travel on the keys for [TS]

  me like I don't even notice that because [TS]

  i'm so happy about the fact that it's [TS]

  always there [TS]

  yeah it's always there I think that the [TS]

  whoever designed those keys I I always [TS]

  compare it to it it's almost like [TS]

  almost like typing on on bubble wrap or [TS]

  something it's like the ends have a [TS]

  little bit of pop to them [TS]

  I like the sound that they make yeah and [TS]

  that that little bit of pop whatever is [TS]

  inside those keys [TS]

  it conveys a feeling of satisfaction [TS]

  when you're typing that is similar [TS]

  although not the same to an actual [TS]

  mechanical keyboard in a way that I [TS]

  think that the traditional dome cap keys [TS]

  don't have any kind of satisfaction when [TS]

  you type on them so I i think that the [TS]

  the ipad built-in keyboard is is it's [TS]

  really fantastic i really like it [TS]

  the the biggest thing is what you said [TS]

  before that you don't have the ability [TS]

  to adjust the viewing angle which is a [TS]

  pain [TS]

  yeah it's particularly a pain if you're [TS]

  trying to face time with someone while [TS]

  using that because it the the angle is [TS]

  just ridiculously far back for the [TS]

  camera right so the person is always [TS]

  looking at the very top of your head so [TS]

  you have like stuff it up on a pillow or [TS]

  something it's like rearrange the ipad [TS]

  to make facetime work with it but [TS]

  decided i like that is the only thing [TS]

  that I don't like and so I'm curious to [TS]

  see this razer keyboard but it's it's [TS]

  going to be incredibly hard to displace [TS]

  the ipad keyboard the built-in one [TS]

  already so i'm glad it exists [TS]

  I'm glad someone made it I'm glad razor [TS]

  made it there should be more rainbow [TS]

  leds on it [TS]

  yeah I'm surprised it's not called like [TS]

  the razor skull death mechanical [TS]

  keyboard for ipad pro the snake venom [TS]

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  been a hiring update on the show for a [TS]

  while [TS]

  mm you hadn't mentioned anything to me [TS]

  about this for a while I mean any of our [TS]

  conversations so I figured it was best [TS]

  to not ask you about it [TS]

  excellent Mike I know you've been [TS]

  traveling so I figured okay maybe great [TS]

  doesn't want to talk about this but then [TS]

  you put out a video [TS]

  well i'm about to exit which was much [TS]

  demanded of you and you put that video [TS]

  out because everybody needs the gray [TS]

  logic in this and do that as somebody [TS]

  who is concerned unhappy and [TS]

  uncomfortable about brexit hearing your [TS]

  betting odds maybe feel a lot better [TS]

  about it all but I noticed something [TS]

  almost immediately in this video [TS]

  what did you notice my I could tell it [TS]

  wasn't you [TS]

  oh really how how how do you think you [TS]

  know that it wasn't me as a couple of [TS]

  things [TS]

  ok one that many people i saw in the [TS]

  reddit notice fingers on people's arms [TS]

  you've never done that before but the [TS]

  thing that I noticed was the fluidity of [TS]

  the animation that was the biggest [TS]

  change so things were moving differently [TS]

  there was less movement by just like job [TS]

  cuts there was more like actual movement [TS]

  in the slides and one of the big tells [TS]

  for me was I think it's at one point of [TS]

  a great character or somebody moves and [TS]

  arm little and it moves in a non cgpgrey [TS]

  way there's just little movements and [TS]

  also like the illustration of the big [TS]

  red button that isn't something you do [TS]

  i'm watching a video right now in case [TS]

  you couldn't tell [TS]

  ok is that what you do it you're going [TS]

  to the whistling face that her wouldn't [TS]

  animate the whistling face uh-huh [TS]

  because when i watch this video it's [TS]

  what makes sense to me is to which type [TS]

  of style should have one out in your [TS]

  submission which is the FCT p gray truly [TS]

  cared about animation to the point that [TS]

  he wanted to learn more skills in it [TS]

  this is how it would look like so it's [TS]

  your style everything looks like you [TS]

  drew right like the the stick figures [TS]

  are all there it's not a wild departure [TS]

  but the animation of all the characters [TS]

  looks more alive more fluid and it's [TS]

  just like the next step but because for [TS]

  you the videos are in the work that you [TS]

  do in the script soon and the animation [TS]

  is just to help bring the script to life [TS]

  putting that amount of effort and time [TS]

  into learning how to animate in this [TS]

  different way just was never in your [TS]

  view but if you have somebody who does [TS]

  this they're able to just bring it to [TS]

  life a little bit more and a bit more [TS]

  fluidity to the motion which I can [TS]

  totally see in these you're still [TS]

  confident that I didn't tell me I'm a [TS]

  hundred percent confident that the [TS]

  interesting thing to me [TS]

  is I don't quite know what you mean also [TS]

  speculation time which is the best thing [TS]

  that you put in any video of all time [TS]

  speculation time is my entire life right [TS]

  now that rainbow my words so good [TS]

  ok we can get badges regulation time I [TS]

  don't know what you mean by fluid [TS]

  because I know the timeline of this [TS]

  video and there are only I think two or [TS]

  three moments that aren't just static [TS]

  images on the screen so when you keep [TS]

  saying more fluid-like i'm not quite [TS]

  sure what you think you're seeing there [TS]

  but it is actually a very large series [TS]

  of static images there's only three [TS]

  things that I think are actually [TS]

  animated a little the little country [TS]

  girls popping out of the United Kingdom [TS]

  speculation time rainbow is animated it [TS]

  wipes it on the screen and there's one [TS]

  other one other little moment that's [TS]

  animated everything else is a is a still [TS]

  shot let me give you an example of what [TS]

  I mean by fluidity which is in the cuts [TS]

  blue which is in the little parts that [TS]

  happen that are necessary [TS]

  so for example quite early in the video [TS]

  you're sitting behind a desk and [TS]

  something changed in the screen behind [TS]

  you and your arm goes from bent straight [TS]

  to point at it [TS]

  look I just don't think that something [TS]

  you would have done who [TS]

  so it's like it adds more life to the [TS]

  video and what I say fluid that's kind [TS]

  of what I mean there's more happening [TS]

  there are more little movements there's [TS]

  less still em like that just a little [TS]

  elements change like again like the [TS]

  whistling thing it's not necessary but [TS]

  it's there [TS]

  who and then also just an illustration [TS]

  quality that's higher than yours which [TS]

  is like for example the back in cap blue [TS]

  or what would you call it a little visor [TS]

  it just looks kind of our place in the [TS]

  cgpgrey flat world because it like a [TS]

  little shine to it and stuff so these [TS]

  are the things that make me one hundred [TS]

  percent certain but you did not do the [TS]

  illustration and animation for this [TS]

  video so am i right [TS]

  so confident you are Mike so confident [TS]

  and yes you are right about that this [TS]

  this was the first video that someone [TS]

  else did [TS]

  99.5 [TS]

  scent of the animation for this there [TS]

  was just a tiny amount that I changed at [TS]

  the last second a couple little frames [TS]

  but essentially this was entirely done [TS]

  by a different person i handed over a [TS]

  bunch of my assets for them to work with [TS]

  my hand it over the assets that had [TS]

  created of me at the desk a few of the [TS]

  things that normally use fonts i handed [TS]

  over the country girls file about a [TS]

  bunch of like style guide kind of [TS]

  elements but i was working with somebody [TS]

  else to create the animation for this [TS]

  video so you're right you're right like [TS]

  I want to come back to the assets i [TS]

  think now but there's an important [TS]

  question in this which is is the hiring [TS]

  process over not exactly i am in [TS]

  parallel trying a few things with a few [TS]

  different people is is what's going on [TS]

  and there's there are some things that [TS]

  might come out in the future which are [TS]

  done in a different way there are some [TS]

  things that are just being tested so [TS]

  strictly speaking know that the hiring [TS]

  process is not over at this stage well I [TS]

  guess it depends on your interpretation [TS]

  of my question I think you're answering [TS]

  this in like I haven't found my first [TS]

  employee but are you still looking for [TS]

  suggestions from people are you still [TS]

  going to any of that you have like at [TS]

  least a few people where you're like [TS]

  they are good enough that i will use [TS]

  them i am still refining down the list [TS]

  of people who I would want to work with [TS]

  in the future but you have at least [TS]

  obviously found someone who fits the [TS]

  bill up at a base level so yes [TS]

  the-the-the in that in that sense yes i [TS]

  have found so far at least one person [TS]

  who I would be happy to work with in the [TS]

  future because you know like it i want [TS]

  to see it go further but that that [TS]

  requires maybe different people as well [TS]

  I wanted never never be satisfied you [TS]

  can never set as well people fact is [TS]

  this is a further furthermore i still [TS]

  think there's more that can be done [TS]

  right so i assume that you put some [TS]

  constraints on this video but i would [TS]

  love to see more animation in your [TS]

  videos [TS]

  then then what we have here as well so I [TS]

  mean I'm hoping that you continue to [TS]

  push it [TS]

  mhm yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be [TS]

  Pixar studios eventually that's where [TS]

  this is going like why not it's gonna be [TS]

  why not it's gonna be hair animated on [TS]

  monster skins sky's the limit maybe why [TS]

  you know white white box yourself in the [TS]

  entire video shot under cgi water you [TS]

  can do like what pixar do you know you [TS]

  can take your animation team snorkeling [TS]

  so you can understand the way that fish [TS]

  move you can do all of that yeah i think [TS]

  that's that's the endgame for great [TS]

  industries without a doubt and that's [TS]

  how that's going to work that limit [TS]

  yourself great field trips to Harvard to [TS]

  see what universities are like yeah this [TS]

  is how this is gonna go into a classroom [TS]

  so they can really understand how to [TS]

  animate the whiteboard really do think [TS]

  that stuff matters but that's a whole [TS]

  other issue like this and that capital [TS]

  actually do think that is a very [TS]

  legitimate business expense if you could [TS]

  animate monsters inc is take everybody [TS]

  to Harvard a lot of completely bent [TS]

  under percent agree it sounds crazy but [TS]

  I think he's right i think he was right [TS]

  to do that there was no Apple pencil on [TS]

  the desk but yes that was I was totally [TS]

  aware of that and it was I was kind of [TS]

  shaking my fist afterward I was very [TS]

  upset i handed over the asset file that [TS]

  has the old i think it's i think that's [TS]

  the ipad 4 on my desk there i can tell [TS]

  it's an old one because I remember the [TS]

  day where you working on animation and [TS]

  you very proudly sent me a screenshot [TS]

  with the pencil on the on the ipad and I [TS]

  think I think you just have to meet [TS]

  attention to detail so yeah but yes 03 a [TS]

  slight asset mix up i did it i did end [TS]

  up with an old ipad the desk [TS]

  this is one of those times where you [TS]

  really wish you two could let you swap [TS]

  out the video i really do right listen [TS]

  listen you two but I absolutely have to [TS]

  change the ipad on the disk don't you [TS]

  don't understand how important this is [TS]

  to me and four other people in the world [TS]

  who notice that I very slowly update the [TS]

  set of tools that i use on last because [TS]

  now it's like you're a time traveler [TS]

  mhm because you're now talking about [TS]

  breaks it with an ipad for mhm yeah this [TS]

  is pretty ipad pro time [TS]

  yeah it does it doesn't make any sense [TS]

  actually wonder someone should someone [TS]

  should find where is the first time that [TS]

  I had [TS]

  and ipad on the desk i don't i don't [TS]

  know which video would have been and I'd [TS]

  be curious to know because there are [TS]

  older ones where you can see that I [TS]

  still show myself using a laptop and [TS]

  various shots but I don't know when I [TS]

  first put the ipad on the desk and not [TS]

  sure when that happens but yeah so but [TS]

  so that was a little there's a little [TS]

  editing glitch that occurred in the [TS]

  process of animation not fatal obviously [TS]

  I couldn't feel the need to pull the [TS]

  whole video out of it that is not [TS]

  available leave but yes there there are [TS]

  there are things that if you vary [TS]

  eagle-eyed people did notice that were a [TS]

  little bit different with this animation [TS]

  or yeah just a little bit out of the [TS]

  ordinary and yet but so that's that was [TS]

  partly because i was working with [TS]

  somebody else which was a very [TS]

  interesting process and I also have to [TS]

  say that this video would never ever [TS]

  have occurred were it not for being able [TS]

  to work with someone on the animation it [TS]

  just it was interesting but it is like [TS]

  during the process of thinking about mi [TS]

  actually going to do a video on break [TS]

  Seth like what might this look like how [TS]

  might it might come to be i was really [TS]

  aware that had I not gotten to this [TS]

  stage that i was at with filtering down [TS]

  a list of people to work with and [TS]

  seriously being able to consider working [TS]

  with some of them there's no way I would [TS]

  have considered a brexit video it just [TS]

  it just wouldn't have even been remotely [TS]

  feasible why it wouldn't have been [TS]

  feasible because of the time frame of [TS]

  producing something like this [TS]

  yeah so if you will allow me to pull [TS]

  back the cotton a little bit will you [TS]

  allow me to do that [TS]

  okay i don't know how much of the [TS]

  curtain you're going to pull them we [TS]

  were talking about this video you sent [TS]

  me a script to look over because me and [TS]

  you have been talking about breakfast a [TS]

  bunch and maybe I've followed some of [TS]

  the news morning you have which again [TS]

  between you it's not very much but I've [TS]

  been kind of looking at it and I looked [TS]

  over the script and then thinks like to [TS]

  come together like super quickly like [TS]

  that way faster then usual for you which [TS]

  that raised my eyebrows in the first [TS]

  instance right like when I knew you were [TS]

  animating was like this is quick like [TS]

  even gray is working with someone [TS]

  he's decided to say to hell with my [TS]

  hands who [TS]

  so this timeline is a lot faster and [TS]

  that is very interesting because we had [TS]

  previously on this show spoken about the [TS]

  fact that when you do this when you [TS]

  bring someone in [TS]

  you were kind of expecting it to be a [TS]

  lot of hard work to get them to the [TS]

  point where they could do this for you [TS]

  but maybe that's at least if it's hard [TS]

  work it's not work that takes a lot of [TS]

  time [TS]

  yeah was it this is part of the process [TS]

  of trying to figure out which is the [TS]

  person that I want to work with and [TS]

  doing just a little bit of initial [TS]

  feedback and essentially in in in no [TS]

  small way this very video was a bit like [TS]

  a job application stage of saying listen [TS]

  let's let's see if we can do with thing [TS]

  really quickly and with the person i was [TS]

  working with I would have known within [TS]

  the first day or two based on what i was [TS]

  getting back from them if this was even [TS]

  possible show and so the the person that [TS]

  I chose to work with on this I wasn't [TS]

  just immediately seem like yes I think [TS]

  that this is possible [TS]

  let's just see if we can go for it and [TS]

  one of the ways in which i like to try [TS]

  to arrange projects is to have them be [TS]

  valuable even if they fail or even if [TS]

  they don't work out and so when I was [TS]

  thinking about doing this brexit video [TS]

  one of the things i was thinking of was [TS]

  well if I work on this script and I am [TS]

  trying to make this video with somebody [TS]

  else and it doesn't work out because of [TS]

  the animations like the animations are [TS]

  not able to be done in the required time [TS]

  into the required quality that i need at [TS]

  the very least i have learned something [TS]

  about one of my finalists candidates [TS]

  right that's so it's like even if this [TS]

  is a disaster is not a total disaster [TS]

  there is something that is kind of [TS]

  salvaged out of it [TS]

  the time money calculation work cell [TS]

  checks out it checks out because I look [TS]

  I'm I'm I'm essentially giving someone [TS]

  something to do under a kind of time [TS]

  constraints and I need to be able to see [TS]

  what they're able to do because if you [TS]

  didn't do this you never notice about [TS]

  this person and then that is counter to [TS]

  how you want to run your business going [TS]

  forward [TS]

  exactly exactly so what my view was even [TS]

  if the video didn't come out there was [TS]

  there was still an upside to eat [TS]

  in doing this and that was one of the [TS]

  reasons why I wanted to do this is like [TS]

  okay let me see [TS]

  and it was also just an ability to see [TS]

  and to test a kind of quick turnaround [TS]

  because in the process of making this i [TS]

  was looking it up and I think it was [TS]

  something like 11 days start to finish [TS]

  on this video which is a pretty fast [TS]

  turnaround for me I think you're [TS]

  underselling that [TS]

  oh yeah 11 days start to finish [TS]

  it's very fast it's very fast for me [TS]

  it's not a pace that I would want to [TS]

  work out regularly and it's not a pace [TS]

  that would want my animators to work out [TS]

  regularly your business so far as proven [TS]

  that you don't need to do that right [TS]

  right [TS]

  this video was a case of there is an [TS]

  implicit time pressure because this [TS]

  video can only be produced so fast [TS]

  we're trying to talk about a changing [TS]

  situation and so if this is a thing [TS]

  that's going to take three weeks there's [TS]

  there's no good way to talk about it [TS]

  three weeks from now right because too [TS]

  much will have too much will change talk [TS]

  about changing situation [TS]

  yeah yeah and yes the scripted changed [TS]

  several times over even the space of [TS]

  those 11 day like I don't know how [TS]

  racket that everything's changed because [TS]

  now we have a prime minister [TS]

  yeah that was that was a was like curse [TS]

  you increasing stability of the world is [TS]

  not what I want from my scripts my [TS]

  script is based on the premise that [TS]

  there won't be a prime minister for [TS]

  several months but somehow this is just [TS]

  changed overnight [TS]

  I say when I knew this was coming [TS]

  together I just every every few hours i [TS]

  would just go to the BBC News homepage [TS]

  and just see and want to keep sending [TS]

  you articles like I felt a duty was like [TS]

  I know you're not looking like you need [TS]

  to know if we have a prime minister [TS]

  yes i was i was glad to be kept up to [TS]

  date but all of this is just a long way [TS]

  of saying that i couldn't have possibly [TS]

  consider doing this video on my own [TS]

  because essentially the animator was [TS]

  working simultaneously on this as i was [TS]

  writing the script and so that meant [TS]

  that I was kind of burning some of his [TS]

  work when I was making changes but it [TS]

  was still like we are each trying to get [TS]

  towards the thing at the same time [TS]

  and he only had the the final audio the [TS]

  the evening before it was supposed to go [TS]

  up right but kept working off of my [TS]

  drafts and storyboards and things so [TS]

  this this is why i was able to be done [TS]

  because if that hadn't occurred it took [TS]

  me 11 days to get a finished script and [TS]

  then if I had to sit down and animated [TS]

  that would have been especially because [TS]

  it's a longer video the normal that [TS]

  would have been close to a week maybe [TS]

  yeah i'm going to say close to a week if [TS]

  I was if I was really pushing it and not [TS]

  caring at all about my hand and then in [TS]

  all honesty you have to every written [TS]

  the script again like yeah but yeah [TS]

  there's no way it would have worked [TS]

  that's exactly at an additional week [TS]

  would have meant too much changing the [TS]

  political situation I would have gone [TS]

  back to go the audio and like I guess [TS]

  what this loop will just continue [TS]

  however you can't fix this audio and [TS]

  this script fast enough to also be able [TS]

  to animate whatever the changes are just [TS]

  going to get stuck in this forever [TS]

  I want to talk about some of the [TS]

  practicalities of this process [TS]

  no because this is a way that you have [TS]

  worked very closely with someone in a [TS]

  different way to before you know it mean [TS]

  you were quite closely with sending [TS]

  audio files back and forth but not at [TS]

  the speed and pace and frequency who [TS]

  like I'm not making an edit and then [TS]

  sending it to you and then you don't [TS]

  make an edit and send it to me I just do [TS]

  the full show and then send it to you [TS]

  and then you take a look at the four sho [TS]

  we're not like taking a little blocks [TS]

  and chopping them up and stuff like that [TS]

  who which is what I assume was a little [TS]

  bit more of what was happening with the [TS]

  animator who that you were kind of [TS]

  sending it back and forwards to them and [TS]

  they were checking things of you you are [TS]

  sending the medics they were making more [TS]

  edits you were checking on that kind of [TS]

  thing [TS]

  so how was that process going backwards [TS]

  and forwards how are you communicating [TS]

  how are you transferring files that kind [TS]

  of thing [TS]

  ok so here is the rough process this [TS]

  would have been the Friday before the [TS]

  video went up so like we are a week [TS]

  earlier i had finished what i thought [TS]

  was a a pretty decent rough script for [TS]

  video this is this is a stage I always [TS]

  have to get to which is a bit of a [TS]

  proof-of-concept like is there something [TS]

  to talk about here like I'm not and not [TS]

  exactly sure there was a great thing to [TS]

  talk about and so eventually settled on [TS]

  this idea [TS]

  talking about in terms of bets and then [TS]

  I thought okay maybe maybe there's a [TS]

  thing to discuss here so let me just try [TS]

  to see if i can find a script and [TS]

  sometimes in this process I discovered [TS]

  like actually no there really isn't [TS]

  anything to talk about it so I had about [TS]

  1,500 words for a script that I thought [TS]

  okay this is enough that I can look at [TS]

  this and i can say go like we can try to [TS]

  do this and so the first the first stage [TS]

  was just doing a very rough storyboard [TS]

  for if this rough script is to become a [TS]

  video what are the things that are going [TS]

  to be needed on screen but what are the [TS]

  items that we are talking about and so [TS]

  how is entering and leaving the EU going [TS]

  to be conceptualized and how are the [TS]

  political parties going to be shown how [TS]

  are all of these elements going to be on [TS]

  screen and there's a way you can do that [TS]

  which is to just just do it by stick [TS]

  figures and so I largely turn that over [TS]

  to the animator and said storyboard this [TS]

  out for me and and that was kind of like [TS]

  my first test of of seeing can you get [TS]

  back to me a storyboard on this rough [TS]

  script that looks reasonable to me and [TS]

  and the answer was yes and so when I got [TS]

  back to storyboard look reasonable it's [TS]

  like okay we're gonna go [TS]

  what is the story polls look like a [TS]

  storyboard just looks like a bunch of [TS]

  hand-drawn boxes with little stick [TS]

  figures in it and like just the roughest [TS]

  possible drawing that you could have of [TS]

  what is going to happen in each section [TS]

  of the script we had that and then the [TS]

  way it worked was that i just spent the [TS]

  heck each morning working on the script [TS]

  each afternoon trying to keep up a [TS]

  little bit with politically what's going [TS]

  on and reading and then each evening [TS]

  working on the script against i was [TS]

  doing like two major writing and one [TS]

  like reading section each day this is [TS]

  like my cycle of going through it and [TS]

  while I was doing that the animator [TS]

  wasn't trying to animate the video [TS]

  directly but was instead trying to [TS]

  create all of the pieces that would need [TS]

  to be assembled at the end so [TS]

  this is how this was able to be done [TS]

  there's a way to work on the animations [TS]

  without having to actually be animating [TS]

  like each frame that's going to occur [TS]

  it's it's more like create the pieces [TS]

  that will be frantically assembled [TS]

  together at the last possible second but [TS]

  you know ninety percent of the work has [TS]

  been done in the creation of the assets [TS]

  that are going to be on screen right so [TS]

  that's that's the way this was working i [TS]

  kept messaging him every time I had done [TS]

  a major revision just said okay here's [TS]

  here's the stuff that's changed if you [TS]

  were working on these assets like this [TS]

  thing is no longer no longer needs to be [TS]

  there so just dump it if you're working [TS]

  on it and and hears anything new that [TS]

  will need to be created and something [TS]

  that a perfect example is like we need a [TS]

  prime minister now right there was no [TS]

  reference to five minutes during the [TS]

  script but now we need something for the [TS]

  prime minister to do and yeah there [TS]

  needs to be some reference to her right [TS]

  now yeah now that needs to be a specific [TS]

  Prime Minister right right there doesn't [TS]

  need to be a a generic nobody's doing [TS]

  the job Prime Minister yeah and so that [TS]

  is that is roughly how it went as the [TS]

  days as the days went on more assets [TS]

  were created and then there's parts of [TS]

  the script which looked very unlikely to [TS]

  change and so those start getting [TS]

  created in two different into different [TS]

  slides and it all starts coming together [TS]

  until the very end where the day before [TS]

  I'm able to say okay here is the final [TS]

  audio and animated against this like [TS]

  this so now we know what the timings [TS]

  need to be for how long it takes me to [TS]

  say each individual part and I'm [TS]

  assuming you're communicating via slack [TS]

  transferring files by Dropbox is yeah [TS]

  this is an entirely slack dropbox [TS]

  project which is kind of amazing to me [TS]

  that again you can work with someone [TS]

  just anywhere random if the world was [TS]

  like yeah but we have like instant [TS]

  messaging platform files can be [TS]

  transferred back and forth immediately [TS]

  this is even little things that I just I [TS]

  don't know I I i still feel like it's [TS]

  slightly magical that i can get a [TS]

  message from a guy who's like oh hey I [TS]

  need that scroll that you use all the [TS]

  time and I can open up my phone like [TS]

  drill down into dropbox where I keep [TS]

  that copy it over into the shared folder [TS]

  that we have and then he gets it seconds [TS]

  later right now but I'm like walking to [TS]

  my house and just doing this on my phone [TS]

  with one hand as a step on from that [TS]

  like that the way that improves the [TS]

  collaboration process between you and [TS]

  this person is amazing because now they [TS]

  never need to [TS]

  for that again yeah this is the idea of [TS]

  the assets right right and eventually [TS]

  like they you just don't need to give [TS]

  anything like that anymore because they [TS]

  have it all which is interesting [TS]

  yeah there is I mean my description [TS]

  might sound a little bit like rushed and [TS]

  chaotic and i have to say this was [TS]

  definitely a little bit rushed and [TS]

  chaotic there were a bunch of ways we [TS]

  were doing stuff that we were talking [TS]

  about like this is not how we're [TS]

  normally gonna do this if we work [TS]

  together in the future you don't have [TS]

  processes yet yet but it was a question [TS]

  of is there just a super fast way to do [TS]

  it right now just do it that way even if [TS]

  this is not a good way to do things in [TS]

  the future because what what matters is [TS]

  we need this up by Friday like we cannot [TS]

  afford an additional weekend news cycle [TS]

  so just whatever is fastest just do that [TS]

  that's what we're going to do and at the [TS]

  end of it you just delivered a video [TS]

  file [TS]

  yes the way we did it this time was I [TS]

  was delivered a video file just a just a [TS]

  straight up and before that I imported [TS]

  into final cut pro added a few things [TS]

  that I needed to do added in a couple of [TS]

  little transitions that I wanted in [TS]

  there and then I react sport again and [TS]

  uploaded to YouTube [TS]

  that's a perfect example of this is a [TS]

  terrible way to normally do it but this [TS]

  is the fastest way to just do it now but [TS]

  like get it done [TS]

  great just send me an mp4 file like we [TS]

  don't have time to deal with out we [TS]

  don't like me re-rendering it on my end [TS]

  like no potential is actually faster to [TS]

  just send it across the internet isn't [TS]

  it before let's just do it that way did [TS]

  it feel pretty good the I was just [TS]

  pleased that it was done and I've been [TS]

  thinking about it a lot that it's I [TS]

  don't really like doing super fast [TS]

  turnaround stuff i find it very [TS]

  stressful i really don't like playing [TS]

  any games with the new cycle but it was [TS]

  it was interesting and useful to have [TS]

  done this one this time just to see that [TS]

  it's possible and and to have that as a [TS]

  thing to keep in mind for the future [TS]

  because you're that there are things [TS]

  that you focus on [TS]

  that every few years there is a video [TS]

  like this that should be made like an [TS]

  election occurs and something crazy [TS]

  happens in the election like that is so [TS]

  within your wheelhouse you just make [TS]

  sense for you to have a video about it [TS]

  that's why everybody really wanted a [TS]

  brexit video from you right because [TS]

  there are so many elements of brexit [TS]

  which for directly into cg b grades [TS]

  video will house right there is a really [TS]

  interesting election that's done [TS]

  something way movements between [TS]

  countries like political that it all [TS]

  kind of ties together so nicely [TS]

  you know that's why everybody wanted it [TS]

  and it's good to know now that you at [TS]

  least in your back pocket have the [TS]

  ability to have a video from conception [TS]

  to delivery in like ten days it's just a [TS]

  good thing you don't know you can do [TS]

  which you couldn't have done like that [TS]

  this is you so that there's no way this [TS]

  video would have existed if you were [TS]

  trying to do on your own [TS]

  yeah there's there's there's no way it's [TS]

  just not possible that the fastest [TS]

  turnaround I ever did was the [TS]

  Confederate flag video but if you go [TS]

  back and look at that first of all it's [TS]

  incredibly short right it is a a very [TS]

  short video that is is very minimal and [TS]

  information that that needs to get out [TS]

  there which is the only reason I was [TS]

  able to even consider doing that two [TS]

  minutes and 20 seconds [TS]

  yeah this is so it's like hardly [TS]

  anything it was almost like a like a [TS]

  second full kind of video radical issues [TS]

  like here's the thing i have some [TS]

  thoughts on it and it's done [TS]

  yeah exactly it was it was very very [TS]

  very short whereas the brexit one [TS]

  because i really felt that the only way [TS]

  to talk about it was with speculation [TS]

  time was to acknowledge and discuss the [TS]

  fact that there is no process that this [TS]

  is all just speculation is kind of why I [TS]

  felt ok doing that video in that way [TS]

  speculation is an intrinsic part of what [TS]

  is occurring now so let's speculate like [TS]

  let's do that but in order to get to [TS]

  that stage of the video like why is it [TS]

  speculation there's there's enough [TS]

  ground work that needs to be late and [TS]

  enough stuff that needs to be talked [TS]

  about that there's no way that that can [TS]

  be a short video like it [TS]

  i I couldn't do a video where I just [TS]

  came out and just talked about the odds [TS]

  of breakfast I can be it wouldn't make [TS]

  sense i think i think it needs it needed [TS]

  a little bit of context but then that's [TS]

  that's why the video is whatever it is [TS]

  six minutes seven minutes long i have no [TS]

  idea its pretty long time talking pretty [TS]

  fast through the script so yeah it's it [TS]

  was not doable on my own but doable with [TS]

  somebody else [TS]

  how do you feel about the future now one [TS]

  of the things I I think about the future [TS]

  just in general is the importance of [TS]

  proof of concepts like just the the [TS]

  proof that the thing is able to be done [TS]

  even if it is not done in a [TS]

  cost-effective or elegant or quick way [TS]

  like you approve that anything is [TS]

  possible to do i usually with regards [TS]

  the world of technology like proof of [TS]

  concepts are very interesting and to me [TS]

  this this is me essentially having gone [TS]

  through a proof of concept that i can do [TS]

  a video with having someone else do the [TS]

  animation if I'm able to work with the [TS]

  right person [TS]

  there are several ways that this has an [TS]

  impact on my work and I feel like I'm [TS]

  i'm still trying to think through [TS]

  precisely what this means i haven't [TS]

  really come to a solid conclusion but I [TS]

  feel like one of the main things that I [TS]

  had on my mind when we started this [TS]

  whole hashtag year of less me was was [TS]

  trying to remove myself from parts of [TS]

  the business which are incredibly [TS]

  time-consuming and this was one of the [TS]

  big ones that was like in the back of my [TS]

  mind is the thing that like is possible [TS]

  to do and so now here you know just just [TS]

  over halfway through the year the answer [TS]

  is yes this is the thing that was [TS]

  possible to do and I could see straight [TS]

  away some of the things that were on my [TS]

  mind about reasons why would want to do [TS]

  this and and one of the big ones was [TS]

  even though this was a a lot of work to [TS]

  get the script done in this amount of [TS]

  time [TS]

  it was ultimately those still a lot less [TS]

  disruptive to my regular working routine [TS]

  so I did need some downtime after the [TS]

  video went up but it wasn't like when I [TS]

  normally put up a video and i feel like [TS]

  i have been drained of all my life force [TS]

  right and it's like I am now knocking [TS]

  almost like you're a week out of my [TS]

  schedule before I'm back to being a [TS]

  normal person and also a whole bunch of [TS]

  knock-on effects of that has just like [TS]

  something we need to revisit the whole [TS]

  idea of routines again but just being [TS]

  aware that every time I upload a video [TS]

  it really punches out a whole section of [TS]

  my calendar and my schedule my routines [TS]

  in a not helpful way and so doing doing [TS]

  this video with another person i was [TS]

  really aware like okay this was very [TS]

  busy this was an unusual amount of work [TS]

  time this was a big crunch but I don't [TS]

  feel like I've just blasted a hole in my [TS]

  calendar I as a result of this and I [TS]

  think that like that has an interesting [TS]

  impact on the future so i guess i guess [TS]

  the answer is i am interested to see [TS]

  where this goes but i can't say i have [TS]

  super solid specific thoughts on it now [TS]

  but but what I do have is a successful [TS]

  proof-of-concept and I'm i'm pretty [TS]

  happy about that [TS]

  if you're not doing the animation of [TS]

  illustration do you feel like all of [TS]

  your creative bitches will be scratched [TS]

  so for me there are certain shows the I [TS]

  edit but I can't let go of [TS]

  because i like to put might on them like [TS]

  the flourishes that I do that I hear you [TS]

  know why my little things the things [TS]

  that I can't explain to somebody else [TS]

  like why I feel like a sound effect [TS]

  needs to go here or why I think this [TS]

  part needs the government minima you [TS]

  know like why that I think that stuff [TS]

  should happen that's part of my own [TS]

  creative vision I guess which is [TS]

  terrible way to say that but this store [TS]

  we're gonna break up you're such an [TS]

  artiste I know I asked you know podcasts [TS]

  as art right right and do you think that [TS]

  in doing this in in handy [TS]

  over the whole of this part of the the [TS]

  video creation do you think that you [TS]

  might end up feeling like you're missing [TS]

  something [TS]

  I don't know that's hard to project in [TS]

  the future but again in this world of a [TS]

  proof-of-concept one of the things the [TS]

  proof of concept stage was giving [TS]

  feedback on the storyboards for example [TS]

  like before anything starts to get [TS]

  animated like here's changes that need [TS]

  to be made or you know this this needs [TS]

  to be different this needs to be [TS]

  different and that was an interesting [TS]

  thing to see where it it's the same [TS]

  feeling of I don't know why I need or [TS]

  want this section to be different but I [TS]

  just feel it's better if it's shown this [TS]

  way versus that way and i didn't i [TS]

  didn't do a ton of that but it was again [TS]

  just I think part of the process of [TS]

  trying to work with somebody else and [TS]

  and getting into the experience of like [TS]

  giving a list of changes right seeing [TS]

  what comes back seeing seeing how that [TS]

  goes and i can see that being just fine [TS]

  in the future working on rough [TS]

  storyboards with somebody else and doing [TS]

  a bunch of feedback in that stage and [TS]

  feeling totally fine with that that the [TS]

  at the end result with the animations is [TS]

  what i want and in lots of little [TS]

  details is better than something that I [TS]

  could produce on my own so I don't [TS]

  necessarily worried that I'm going to [TS]

  feel like how I don't have an expression [TS]

  for my creative side I'm not too [TS]

  concerned about that but maybe I'm wrong [TS]

  it's hard to know your future self you [TS]

  definitely have a creative flair for [TS]

  making your little jokes and stuff that [TS]

  you do and I just wonder like can you [TS]

  explain that to someone easily [TS]

  yeah yeah again there's there's there's [TS]

  many ways where we'll have to see it in [TS]

  the in the future developing an actual [TS]

  process for working together with other [TS]

  people as as opposed to just like the [TS]

  whole god let's get it up right now and [TS]

  I think that that will be part of of [TS]

  what this is of when i'm writing a [TS]

  script I often like i always say like I [TS]

  have a very clear idea in my head [TS]

  what it is that I want up on screen so i [TS]

  think part of the process in the future [TS]

  might be figuring out a way to [TS]

  communicate what I think are the most [TS]

  important parts of that i like what i am [TS]

  saying these words and these words they [TS]

  look on paper like they don't work but I [TS]

  think they will work if this is on the [TS]

  screen when I'm saying them [TS]

  yeah yeah like that that is a thing that [TS]

  comes up all the time when I'm writing [TS]

  is being aware of words that just don't [TS]

  work if the right thing isn't on the [TS]

  screen so you feel like you have that [TS]

  vision when you're writing rather than [TS]

  one you're animating yes exactly [TS]

  well then that's going to be great for [TS]

  you then right because for me like I [TS]

  only get some of those thoughts when I'm [TS]

  actually hearing the audio go through em [TS]

  right I like all this work really great [TS]

  here Lou [TS]

  so that's when I do it anybody if you're [TS]

  seeing it when you're writing then [TS]

  you'll still probably going to get the [TS]

  majority of that creativity out right [TS]

  right [TS]

  listening to you talk about this and [TS]

  knowing kind of the process that you've [TS]

  been through and you know as our [TS]

  listeners have heard us go along this i [TS]

  mean i'm seeing the output i think the [TS]

  future is very bright [TS]

  yeah maybe I don't know about my [TS]

  feelings just things are different and [TS]

  we're just looking back at the [TS]

  conversations that we've had over the [TS]

  last few months [TS]

  Lou what you have here is exactly what [TS]

  you are looking for like a base level [TS]

  somebody has created a video that looks [TS]

  like one of your videos who is maybe [TS]

  have even higher quality than some of [TS]

  them who and it worked perfectly and [TS]

  they've not diverged from you you know [TS]

  we haven't got red stick figures like [TS]

  fists you know they're not doing [TS]

  something crazy all of the additions are [TS]

  great speculation time again best thing [TS]

  ever you know all of this stuff was work [TS]

  and then its output something that not [TS]

  only as good as something as we said [TS]

  many times you couldn't have done so [TS]

  this has been like a net win for the [TS]

  business [TS]

  Yeah Yeah right I definitely think so i [TS]

  definitely think so [TS]

  so I think that [TS]

  what I don't know if any in a year from [TS]

  now i will exactly be in this position [TS]

  but going forward I would like ideally [TS]

  to do as little of the animation is [TS]

  possible for for all of the various [TS]

  reasons we have discussed in previous [TS]

  shows and it seems to me that there is a [TS]

  way to do that now I that is real so I [TS]

  am I am looking forward to seeing how [TS]

  this goes [TS]

  I feel like you're on the plane this [TS]

  yeah i mean that you might just want to [TS]

  be conservative about it but this just [TS]

  seems like perfect that you've done it [TS]

  you know and it's worked and now you are [TS]

  able to do more than you ever been able [TS]

  to do before like this just seems like a [TS]

  absolute unbridled victory [TS]

  I'm a cautious person i know you are i [TS]

  mean that's all this is [TS]

  ok i just can't believe how you're not [TS]

  like you know running down the road [TS]

  clicking your heels like this is exactly [TS]

  what you're looking for [TS]

  first try the right this is amazing i'm [TS]

  very excited for you I'm I'm glad you're [TS]

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  them so in what will be regarded as a [TS]

  classic cortex moment from the last [TS]

  episode where you got very upset about [TS]

  Evernote it has brought people out in [TS]

  their droves to recommend other services [TS]

  to you [TS]

  yeah as a replacement for Evernote yeah [TS]

  so I kind of what first of our you [TS]

  totally ditching it like a have you made [TS]

  the decision is it dead 270 gone [TS]

  I mean like look here's the short answer [TS]

  to this is no right I i spent after that [TS]

  episode a a a long frustrating weekend [TS]

  trying my darndest to find a solution to [TS]

  this and that the closest thing by far [TS]

  is one note and i was like i am [TS]

  determined to make one note work but [TS]

  there are a few things that that are [TS]

  just total deal-breakers about the way [TS]

  one networks I i think that Evernote is [TS]

  really just a tool that sits at a unique [TS]

  place that they're there really isn't [TS]

  anything else that does all of the [TS]

  things that it does it's just deeply [TS]

  unfortunate that Evernote is at a [TS]

  company that I don't feel like I can [TS]

  trust very much [TS]

  and that does not do a great job with [TS]

  the ipad implementation of their app and [TS]

  has dumped limits and so the the end [TS]

  result of what it is that I'm going to [TS]

  do so far is since there is nothing that [TS]

  i can switch to right now and since this [TS]

  is still a tool that I need to keep [TS]

  using a bunch of people very helpfully [TS]

  pointed out that there are ways to try [TS]

  to get around these Evernote limitations [TS]

  by using tags so instead of having [TS]

  individual notebooks for things you can [TS]

  instead tag all of your notes and that [TS]

  there is some ridiculous limit on the [TS]

  number of tags that was like 10,000 or [TS]

  hundred thousand tag they don't remember [TS]

  exactly but the limit is very very high [TS]

  so I can kick the can down the road to [TS]

  10 years from now gray who has to worry [TS]

  about what happens when he runs up [TS]

  against the 10,000 tag limit and [TS]

  Evernote and has never know it's a [TS]

  100-year company right so you're going [TS]

  to be fine [TS]

  that's right they'll definitely be [TS]

  around in 10 years and tags can be [TS]

  arranged in a hierarchical manner which [TS]

  I was not aware of because it's not [TS]

  something that you can do on the ipad [TS]

  it's only thing that you can do on the [TS]

  desktop version turns out [TS]

  same with Apple notes you can have [TS]

  nested folders we were told but only on [TS]

  OSN you can set them up and then you can [TS]

  view them on iOS em that kind of stuff [TS]

  always makes me nervous when the the [TS]

  feature click so i can nest the tags on [TS]

  the desktop but I can't do it on iOS [TS]

  like it got in the old version but when [TS]

  they decided to make the new touch [TS]

  version they decided not to put it in [TS]

  Bryon um yeah which doesn't make me feel [TS]

  super confident about that as well but [TS]

  it's really it's really just a result of [TS]

  I i think i've often happens with tools [TS]

  that people use professionally and [TS]

  computer tools in general that you can [TS]

  end up feeling kind of trapped by a tool [TS]

  that you rely upon that there's there's [TS]

  no good way to move and whatever know [TS]

  there's always just some deal-breaking [TS]

  feature of trying to move to [TS]

  to another system like I'll definitely [TS]

  give a pretty good recommendation to [TS]

  google drive as well as an alternative [TS]

  way to try to do this kind of thing [TS]

  yeah a few people wrote in about this it [TS]

  seems like it has a lot of the features [TS]

  so you can upload files searchable to do [TS]

  OCR it has hierarchical folders it works [TS]

  on all devices is no limits [TS]

  why is Google Drive not like an obvious [TS]

  replacement [TS]

  yeah I played around with it it's not as [TS]

  good as Evernote as and getting stuff [TS]

  into it so I could totally chokes on a [TS]

  thing that I do all the time which is I [TS]

  would like to save this webpage into [TS]

  Google Drive get it doesn't do the thing [TS]

  where Evernote kind of grabbed [TS]

  where Evernote kind of grabbed [TS]

  there's a whole HTML copy of the webpage [TS]

  then the whole thing is searchable does [TS]

  it do that on iOS to the web clipping [TS]

  Evernote yeah does interesting i think [TS]

  they're cheating it in some way but it [TS]

  definitely it does do it i'm sure that [TS]

  like I mean this is an annoying thing [TS]

  that you could use other applications to [TS]

  get that stuff into google drive right [TS]

  is that he's like that like there's [TS]

  totally ways to try to think about doing [TS]

  this but one of the other things that is [TS]

  frustrating is the problem of how do i [TS]

  get all of my stuff out of Evernote [TS]

  right now is one of these things where I [TS]

  don't know if you ever mention on the [TS]

  podcast before but i have always been [TS]

  really annoyed at evernotes claims of [TS]

  data portability with her like oh don't [TS]

  worry you can export your data anytime [TS]

  you want [TS]

  it's super easy all you have to do is [TS]

  select one notebook at a time [TS]

  export that one notebook and you will [TS]

  get a file on your desktop which is some [TS]

  custom xml file that we have written [TS]

  that essentially nothing else can read [TS]

  like but we've exported your data like [TS]

  not in any way that i find useful [TS]

  Evernote em but when I think of I would [TS]

  love to get all my data out of Evernote [TS]

  what I want is a way to say export the [TS]

  whole database and what you would give [TS]

  me is a series of nested folders with [TS]

  rich text documents and images in them [TS]

  but you don't do that [TS]

  exporting your data into proprietary [TS]

  format that can only be reliably read by [TS]

  your own application is not dr. X both [TS]

  just moving it exactly it's it's it's [TS]

  like making a backup and they also do it [TS]

  is really inconvenient way but it has [TS]

  always bothered me this kind of Evernote [TS]

  championing of like I don't worry you [TS]

  can leave anytime you want but I've [TS]

  always known that that's not a [TS]

  case-by-case a hard drive all your stuff [TS]

  but it's possible protected and only we [TS]

  know the password [TS]

  yeah and it's like yes in theory all of [TS]

  the data is there okay i guess i guess i [TS]

  could hire someone to write a custom xml [TS]

  parser for like this this starts getting [TS]

  into crazy the stuff that exists as well [TS]

  like there are things that can take the [TS]

  Avenue de turn turn into something else [TS]

  who but you just know it's never gonna [TS]

  be as you put it in [TS]

  yeah exactly it's that you just you have [TS]

  no idea [TS]

  and the problem with this is as well [TS]

  that why do I feel stuck with Evernote [TS]

  is because Evernote is legitimately [TS]

  serving the function of this external [TS]

  brain and so the way it works is it is [TS]

  not possible for me to really export and [TS]

  import into something else and feel [TS]

  super confident that everything is [TS]

  actually arrived because there's no way [TS]

  for me to be able to check all of the [TS]

  stuff that i have put in it and you only [TS]

  find out it's gone wrong at the time you [TS]

  need it exactly right is no no good [TS]

  yeah and as I i think i said in the last [TS]

  show I have something on the order of [TS]

  3,000 notes because it's a lot of notes [TS]

  to move and even some of the other [TS]

  things that were trying like they [TS]

  totally choked trying to import even you [TS]

  know much smaller numbers than that and [TS]

  so I think it's just it's interesting i [TS]

  will still say for anybody who is [TS]

  starting a fresh right at looking into [TS]

  trying to build some kind of external [TS]

  brain i would probably recommend Google [TS]

  Drive or one note and then you pick [TS]

  between those two based on your own [TS]

  personal preferences can I throw dropbox [TS]

  in the mix here [TS]

  I mean I know it doesn't have the OCR [TS]

  stuff but dropbox is potentially an [TS]

  infinitely better service because the [TS]

  ultimately it's just file storage [TS]

  because even Google Drive like it can do [TS]

  some weird stuff of files who you know I [TS]

  give you decided that I was part my [TS]

  google Drive system i'm going to save [TS]

  some things into a google doc it's not [TS]

  what it downloads is not really a [TS]

  document that you can use glue is a [TS]

  google drive document like that the good [TS]

  thing about things going into the [TS]

  service like Dropbox is it all it is [TS]

  it's just storage of files that you can [TS]

  then use in our application super easy [TS]

  yeah if you can give up OCR and [TS]

  searching within documents my [TS]

  recommendation would be dropbox unless [TS]

  there are applications that can just [TS]

  take a document and OCR on-the-fly yeah [TS]

  I also looked into a whole bunch of this [TS]

  i was playing around with creating like [TS]

  a little workflow in the workflow app to [TS]

  try to take a document OCR it and then [TS]

  push it into another service but this [TS]

  starts getting into [TS]

  you again like the the use case for me [TS]

  with Evernote is very often like oh [TS]

  here's the thing that might be [TS]

  interesting i just want to quickly save [TS]

  it right what I don't want to do is to [TS]

  have a little barrier of yeah like I'm [TS]

  invoking a thing like I'm I don't want [TS]

  to turn saving stuff into a conscious [TS]

  decision do I want to get out of the [TS]

  flow of what I'm working on right now [TS]

  right i just want to press a button and [TS]

  have it go [TS]

  this is when another device can help you [TS]

  like if you had like a server that could [TS]

  process that stuff for you in the [TS]

  background right so you could set up [TS]

  something that performs a bunch of rules [TS]

  and but no all you're doing is just [TS]

  saving it to a folder but in the [TS]

  background there's something else [TS]

  working on it does it again as an [TS]

  elegant that is not part of the [TS]

  multipath lifestyle to have this mac [TS]

  mini that's over in the corner doing [TS]

  something but it would give you what you [TS]

  want it [TS]

  oh yeah and I i have done crazy stuff [TS]

  like this before of having dropbox [TS]

  folders that say hazel is watching and [TS]

  then hazel invoke certain rules [TS]

  depending on what happens in there like [TS]

  I have I have done all of this stuff but [TS]

  I'm am ultimately like what I'm trying [TS]

  to not do is ending up building my own [TS]

  house of cards that's going to collapse [TS]

  someday because I'm really I just I'm [TS]

  trying to have a thing be simple and it [TS]

  and even if I build my own crazy system [TS]

  it still doesn't get around the problem [TS]

  of how do i get everything out of [TS]

  Evernote in a way that is reasonable to [TS]

  them import into this new system [TS]

  oh yeah all of this stuff that I'm [TS]

  suggesting is if you starting fresh [TS]

  yeah yeah if if you're starting a fresh [TS]

  eye I think yeahit's i would suggest [TS]

  someone uses OneNote Google Drive or [TS]

  Dropbox if you're willing to give up a [TS]

  couple of features and I think those are [TS]

  those are all totally reasonable [TS]

  solutions but it's just like what do i [TS]

  do what do I do now it's like I'm even [TS]

  running like these crazy ideas in my [TS]

  head like what if I started a software [TS]

  company to make my own effort note like [TS]

  could I do that as like know if that do [TS]

  that's you know what that is not an [TS]

  easier thing to do [TS]

  however this is not my topic list for [TS]

  some point in the family [TS]

  because so many of your problems will be [TS]

  solved [TS]

  yeah but it's like I i started i started [TS]

  wandering down that path they're like [TS]

  hey dude do you remember the time you [TS]

  thought maybe i should start a clothing [TS]

  manufacturing company but in order to [TS]

  get the t-shirt that I want [TS]

  it's like you know this is not the [TS]

  solution to these problems is not i [TS]

  could reinvent the wheel so it it's like [TS]

  a question of do I want to start like a [TS]

  Evernote competitor vs do I want to just [TS]

  keep using Evernote try to make it work [TS]

  with tags kick the can down a number of [TS]

  years hopefully assuming Evernote stays [TS]

  in business and and do that and it's [TS]

  like you know you know what this feels [TS]

  like to me it feels like when you [TS]

  occasionally hear about how some company [TS]

  somewhere is still has like a punch card [TS]

  system that's in the basement of of [TS]

  their offices that the whole company [TS]

  relies upon and using Evernote to me [TS]

  feels like this it feels like this [TS]

  legacy thing that I don't like but there [TS]

  is no optimal move to get rid of it so [TS]

  i'm going to end up continuing using it [TS]

  and I'm going to keep just liking it but [TS]

  this is precisely why companies do this [TS]

  kind of thing or governments do this [TS]

  kind of thing where they end up using [TS]

  something that's incredibly out of date [TS]

  and awkward like and nobody likes it but [TS]

  the answer of what is the move to make [TS]

  that is an optimal move to switch away [TS]

  from this thing [TS]

  the answer is there is no move so we're [TS]

  going to keep using this thing forever [TS]

  and that the punch card example I don't [TS]

  even mean that as a joke there are there [TS]

  are companies that still manufacture [TS]

  brand-new punch cards because there are [TS]

  entities out there that require them [TS]

  like this is this is actually a thing [TS]

  that still exists in the world you need [TS]

  to see what howl of banks around [TS]

  oh yeah thanks must have the most crazy [TS]

  old softest who want who wants to be the [TS]

  guy who's like let's run a software [TS]

  update on the banking industry nice [TS]

  nobody nobody wants to do that [TS]

  nope so you have you have stuff that is [TS]

  literally from the sixties and seventies [TS]

  running the banking industry behind the [TS]

  scenes because it's like everybody does [TS]

  the exact same cost [TS]

  benefit calculation of what are we going [TS]

  to change to nothing is what we're going [TS]

  to change that we're just gonna we're [TS]

  going to keep making this old thing work [TS]

  even if it's horrific me awkward and so [TS]

  there are a few pieces of software in my [TS]

  life that are like that and I feel like [TS]

  maybe Evernote is the absolute apex of [TS]

  this for me in terms of what piece of [TS]

  software do I use the most [TS]

  but I'm also perhaps the unhappiest with [TS]

  and I think maybe Evernote wins that [TS]

  calculation of all of the things that i [TS]

  use so little sticker there forever note [TS]

  i want to just mention something about [TS]

  Apple notes as a means to follow up [TS]

  I reference that you could take your [TS]

  Evernote database and put it into apple [TS]

  notes right that is that is a feature [TS]

  that is officially supported you have [TS]

  quite a few listeners wrote in to say [TS]

  that they've put in the region of 2,000 [TS]

  say notes from Evernote into apple notes [TS]

  and apple notes becomes terrifically [TS]

  unstable and unresponsive around that [TS]

  kind of level [TS]

  yeah I'm not surprised because I don't [TS]

  think apples really imagining that [TS]

  anybody's using it in that use case of [TS]

  having two thousand notes in there I [TS]

  can't imagine anybody was thinking that [TS]

  that's that's going to be what what [TS]

  happens with Apple notes i hope that [TS]

  they changed that though because [TS]

  eventually lots of people will get to [TS]

  that limit [TS]

  yeah I mean I apple just dealing with [TS]

  the crazy law of large numbers right [TS]

  they have so many people using it that [TS]

  yes they are going to have some users at [TS]

  the edge case of of that but yes i'm not [TS]

  surprised to hear that Apple its kind of [TS]

  chokes on Evernote sighs databases if it [TS]

  feels kind of sad to me that that's [TS]

  because it is this like we've come to [TS]

  feel like we're at the end of this topic [TS]

  and there's no answer the answer is i'm [TS]

  stuck and that's that [TS]

  I don't feel as how we usually do things [TS]

  right we're all about optimizing it [TS]

  I remember everything but no no here we [TS]

  are I mean you're stuck [TS]

  I'm not stuck i am pretty confident that [TS]

  after my next trip i will be cancelling [TS]

  moving account because i'm very [TS]

  confident I have everything that I need [TS]

  in my Apple notes right now who have [TS]

  been saving PDS in their stuff and I've [TS]

  been thought it's been fantastic who so [TS]

  i'm just gonna make the trip if it works [TS]

  as well as I hope it will then I'm [TS]

  gonna be moving away completely from [TS]

  other not because it I've now been able [TS]

  to replace the only thing that it does [TS]

  to me Lou [TS]

  there are many solutions for you but [TS]

  none of them a better [TS]

  unfortunately yeah that's why wait when [TS]

  you say oh it's you know that this feels [TS]

  like a is attending I am I am frustrated [TS]

  but I feel like the the core of this [TS]

  decision like with so many things is [TS]

  about optimization and and so the answer [TS]

  to what is the optimal move the optimal [TS]

  move is to stay put with Evernote so the [TS]

  winning move is not playing something [TS]

  yes yes sort of but not really [TS]

  consistent because it'll pay never know [TS]

  every month [TS]

  okay so it's not exactly like you're [TS]

  stepping aside from the thing but that's [TS]

  that's just what that's just what [TS]

  happens sometimes my only real concern [TS]

  is that I I do worry about the financial [TS]

  viability of Evernote that enough people [TS]

  cancelling subscriptions combined with a [TS]

  hold of their global offices and all of [TS]

  their people who do who knows what that [TS]

  that the company might just implode upon [TS]

  itself but I feel like okay well if and [TS]

  when Evernote implode upon itself that [TS]

  then shifts the calculus of what is the [TS]

  optimal move and then the optimal move [TS]

  is well you just you know you got to do [TS]

  something and you have to pick the least [TS]

  the least bad option and so that that [TS]

  day that day is the day that i will move [TS]

  but for now yeah just sticking with [TS]

  Evernote and having really positive [TS]

  feelings with that elephant icon so once [TS]

  you have decided that you want to be the [TS]

  person to create the next amazing [TS]

  application or service that stores [TS]

  everybody's text or maybe all want to be [TS]

  the first person that comes up with a [TS]

  website based completely around brexit [TS]

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  DX is a trek out to save ten percent of [TS]

  your first purchase thank you so much to [TS]

  hover for their support of this show and [TS]

  really have been so many weeks ago we [TS]

  spoke about BR all and i've been [TS]

  collecting up just a few bits of [TS]

  follow-up that i wanted to mention [TS]

  something about this so you remember of [TS]

  course as many people have the way that [TS]

  we describe ER was like dropping acid or [TS]

  at least you did and then I was totally [TS]

  on board the idea a guy called quantum [TS]

  tunneling davon the reddit has confirmed [TS]

  this for us and as as dave says somebody [TS]

  who has dropped acid a few times i agree [TS]

  that the analogy is quite apt I now want [TS]

  to try VAR it sounds like it tickles a [TS]

  few of the same spots in the brain is [TS]

  acid so you did it congratulations for [TS]

  someone who does asset a group of my [TS]

  analogy that it was like dropping acid [TS]

  yeah which is which is great because [TS]

  I've never dropped acid so just reaching [TS]

  for something and yes just just trying [TS]

  to get like how is it to explain a thing [TS]

  when you have certain experiences you [TS]

  just can't explain them to someone who [TS]

  hasn't had those experiences so I'm uh [TS]

  I'm glad that someone is an agreement on [TS]

  that if you moved forward with VR at all [TS]

  have you made any purchases i actually i [TS]

  have not moved forward mainly because [TS]

  other things have just occupied my [TS]

  attention and this is one of these this [TS]

  is one of these things where I feel like [TS]

  I need to I need to sit down and [TS]

  seriously figure out how this is going [TS]

  to work this this is not a quick like [TS]

  ooh let me just add to cart right check [TS]

  out [TS]

  vr del and have it delivered to the [TS]

  house like this is a big thing about [TS]

  where is it going to go exactly what [TS]

  computer do I need what equipment am I [TS]

  going to get this is the thing where I [TS]

  need to sit down and spend an afternoon [TS]

  figuring out and I just haven't been [TS]

  able to have that afternoon and plus as [TS]

  we are recording right now I am shortly [TS]

  leaving for America in just a couple of [TS]

  days and so anything that would be [TS]

  shipped would just be sitting here for [TS]

  like a month [TS]

  untouched as i'm out of the country so i [TS]

  feel like i have mentally postpone this [TS]

  until I get back from America for the [TS]

  final time from the for the end of the [TS]

  summer [TS]

  yeah i'm still waiting on the [TS]

  PlayStation VR I've already pre-ordered [TS]

  that i already have fifty percent of the [TS]

  equipment actually back at twenty-five [TS]

  percent of the equipment that [TS]

  realization and it's but it's Tony's a [TS]

  couple of additions so I'm just going to [TS]

  wait for that because if it gives me as [TS]

  i said on the show if it gives me at [TS]

  least most of the experience that the [TS]

  oculus did then i'll be more than happy [TS]

  because i won't have to to put another [TS]

  big spinning box in my house live with a [TS]

  big land a big power supply and all that [TS]

  stuff doesn't want to do it so i'll be [TS]

  happy if i can just hook up to my [TS]

  playstation and enjoy your that way so [TS]

  we'll see [TS]

  however something that i have noticed in [TS]

  the comments on YouTube and in the [TS]

  comments on reddit little is that the ER [TS]

  console wars have begun [TS]

  ok there are affecting their oh this [TS]

  this was a thing that just simply did [TS]

  not occur to me when we recorded to put [TS]

  up the episodes and right but in [TS]

  retrospect seems incredibly obvious that [TS]

  there's like just as in all human [TS]

  endeavors the tribal lines form [TS]

  immediately right so it's a paper is an [TS]

  enormous number of comments about [TS]

  various competing vr systems and why [TS]

  they are obviously superior and why this [TS]

  is like here we go like it's Sega and [TS]

  Nintendo all over her again and [TS]

  basically everybody was saying to us [TS]

  that the vibe was better who I have some [TS]

  counter to this argument again having [TS]

  not tried the vibe is that most people [TS]

  most people have tried the oculus [TS]

  without the touch controls because [TS]

  they're not available right and so many [TS]

  people say that the HTC vive [TS]

  superior because of the touch [TS]

  controllers as well as the room sensors [TS]

  that they have em so there's like the [TS]

  double part of it so again it might be [TS]

  that combination of both makes it better [TS]

  I don't really have a space where I [TS]

  could set up by HTC vive in my home so [TS]

  that is a black mark against survive [TS]

  mm I don't know as well like Facebook [TS]

  they took us and let's play this stuff [TS]

  Lou I'm not seeing HTC to it right where [TS]

  are they now that is that that's what's [TS]

  happening here Mike [TS]

  that's a mark for me you know that is so [TS]

  easily bribed you are [TS]

  hey you know it's it's a it's a point [TS]

  right in the corner for her to pick up [TS]

  another thing that I really liked was [TS]

  people saying that the vibe was better [TS]

  because facebook was evil and like [TS]

  locking down the platform and making [TS]

  exclusives for games and like nintendo [TS]

  and sega man like what you notice is [TS]

  this is same as playstation microsoft [TS]

  right now it's all about console [TS]

  exclusives this is how the industry [TS]

  works and as I say I don't care Facebook [TS]

  an evil they're nice burritos we had a [TS]

  really great burritos on the catalysts [TS]

  that day so you know I have no [TS]

  complaints [TS]

  yeah they had fantastic food and and it [TS]

  is also it is also funny when some of [TS]

  the old locking down the platform [TS]

  I as someone who grew up with Nintendo [TS]

  find that find that argument entirely [TS]

  unmoving looks like i don't care classes [TS]

  everything is amazing [TS]

  I I care if the games are good i care of [TS]

  the hardware is is great like gaming [TS]

  platforms are kind of inherently [TS]

  exclusive things i just i'm not i'm not [TS]

  convinced by that as as an argument so [TS]

  yeah I I kind of agree with that i may [TS]

  have the chance to try out an HTC vive [TS]

  between now and when I might be making a [TS]

  decision about what to purchase well [TS]

  look at this now i will be curious to [TS]

  see what that experience is like i'll be [TS]

  curious to look forward to your report [TS]

  gray at [TS]

  I'll let you know Mike please please [TS]

  please do so I I'm i'll be curious to [TS]

  see what it also does it also does have [TS]

  the problems you said like I said living [TS]

  in London I don't have a room that is [TS]

  big enough to do any of this kind of [TS]

  stuff in there's just there's just no [TS]

  space as well like I know that I've move [TS]

  around when I was wearing the oculus [TS]

  like I know that happened but I can [TS]

  maybe over time learn to not move around [TS]

  but part of what makes survive great is [TS]

  the fact that you're supposed to move [TS]

  around right i just don't have that [TS]

  space [TS]

  yeah i mean i am imagining that an [TS]

  enormous number of the actual vr stuff [TS]

  that i will be doing is centered around [TS]

  the notion of sitting on a couch right [TS]

  and then and doing we are in that way [TS]

  and so the the extra salesmanship of you [TS]

  can move around with an HTC vive is not [TS]

  appealing to me because I have nowhere [TS]

  to move around because i live in the [TS]

  center of the city i was doing some [TS]

  thinking about VR and my thoughts let me [TS]

  back to our old friend American Truck [TS]

  Simulator and I was thinking to myself [TS]

  how much fun it would be to play truck [TS]

  simulator VR headset on [TS]

  well I mean this is a perfect sitting on [TS]

  the couch VR experience like even wanted [TS]

  like the wheel and stuff [TS]

  can you imagine a wheel pedals and abby [TS]

  i had set you like turn around look out [TS]

  the window look in the mirrors man it [TS]

  would be amazing [TS]

  yeah by far in a way that was actually [TS]

  one of the things i was thinking about [TS]

  after we had our VR experiences just me [TS]

  and you that right like we're the only [TS]

  ones i did really i didn't really keep [TS]

  thinking about that of like man we are [TS]

  trucking's canopy amazing act like i [TS]

  can't wait to do vr trucking and it is [TS]

  also a situation like this would work [TS]

  perfectly in my house sitting around [TS]

  sitting down I can't move anyway is [TS]

  there's nowhere to go and then if i end [TS]

  up buying a pc for my VR equipment [TS]

  well guess what now all of those wheels [TS]

  and pedals stuff that doesn't work with [TS]

  my back trying to learn with bc i don't [TS]

  know why you haven't done this already [TS]

  been out [TS]

  it's like it's the perfect reason to buy [TS]

  the wheel you one [TS]

  yes that's the big excuse it's like I [TS]

  would like to buy this wheel so I have [TS]

  to spend several thousand dollars find a [TS]

  new pc and behind well you've been close [TS]

  to that just because of the right and [TS]

  now there's two reasons but love a lot [TS]

  of the PlayStation stuff a lot of the [TS]

  stuff that they're showing off is [TS]

  focused around like just sitting down [TS]

  with a playstation controller and the [TS]

  screen is in the VR headset and they're [TS]

  also promoting it like non VR games you [TS]

  can play them like that and I think [TS]

  that's really cool i can assess its like [TS]

  a cinema screen in front of your face [TS]

  then I'm looking forward to playing [TS]

  games like that I think it'll be fun [TS]

  just and just a different way to [TS]

  experience them [TS]

  yeah I could totally see that again this [TS]

  is where I just I i have had essentially [TS]

  no console experience since the super [TS]

  nintendo like I have been just a [TS]

  computer game player since then it's [TS]

  like I just I don't have a good sense of [TS]

  like what is a playstation capable of [TS]

  what could you do with it but it does it [TS]

  does seem like it's an interesting [TS]

  option to consider as an alternative and [TS]

  and yes that that whole idea of even if [TS]

  it's not a genuine VR experience it [TS]

  might be really nice to just be able to [TS]

  play the equivalent of I i have just [TS]

  like an I max screen virtually in front [TS]

  of me upon which i'm playing just a [TS]

  regular game like that that might be a [TS]

  nice experience as well so it's it's [TS]

  it's interesting that but this is this [TS]

  is all partly why I just I just keep [TS]

  saying now that like I i haven't moved [TS]

  forward because i really need to sit [TS]

  down and try to think about this i need [TS]

  to possibly try the HTC vive before i do [TS]

  this like I need to make some decisions [TS]

  before I decide what I'm going to invest [TS]

  in for the glorious be our future [TS]

  also we're talking about truck simulator [TS]

  you saw the article that they were about [TS]

  rescaling the game right [TS]

  oh yeah I definitely did I definitely [TS]

  did I feel like no other podcast is [TS]

  going to talk about virtual truck [TS]

  driving so this is our our [TS]

  responsibility i am literally opening [TS]

  itunes now to find what I'm sure must be [TS]

  the American Truck Simulator podcast I [TS]

  I cant cannot possibly exist i'm taking [TS]

  a look [TS]

  it cannot possibly exist for truck [TS]

  that's illegal yeah that's the core [TS]

  attract yeah I can't find a dedicated [TS]

  and it is not going to be one [TS]

  there's a Dago there's our next spin off [TS]

  the truck that can happen but like [TS]

  actually of all of the ones that could [TS]

  happen that's that's the one was likely [TS]

  happen yet but yet we had when we first [TS]

  talked about American Truck Simulator I [TS]

  i was super happy with it but I think [TS]

  the thing that both of us commented on [TS]

  was that it felt small it felt like it [TS]

  was a little bit of a a toy America when [TS]

  you're driving between cities in the [TS]

  truck simulator world that it it just [TS]

  seemed like i forget the exact timing [TS]

  but driving from the north the [TS]

  California all the way down to Las Vegas [TS]

  seemed like it took far too little time [TS]

  and then trying to extrapolate about [TS]

  what what does this mean for how long [TS]

  will a coast-to-coast journey taken and [TS]

  what is what is going to be the [TS]

  subjective experience as the player of [TS]

  driving across this tiny America and [TS]

  that was the thing that concerned me the [TS]

  most was that particularly the middle [TS]

  parts of America the experience of them [TS]

  is that they are long right that is that [TS]

  is part of what is going on and so I [TS]

  have to say in what might be personally [TS]

  the most exciting video game news of [TS]

  yeah the company making American Truck [TS]

  Simulator announced that they are going [TS]

  to be rescaling the map which is super [TS]

  exciting so that it is currently on a 35 [TS]

  to 10 scale it's a 35th the size of the [TS]

  actual United States and they're going [TS]

  to upscale it to a 120th scale so it's [TS]

  going to be essentially like 75% longer [TS]

  roads once you're outside of the cities [TS]

  and that to me feels just about perfect [TS]

  if you take the current driving [TS]

  distances and you make them not quite [TS]

  double but 75% bigger i am super excited [TS]

  by it's like so [TS]

  so ridiculously happy to see this and I [TS]

  wonder i will speculate then maybe this [TS]

  was like a plan that this was that they [TS]

  they released it on a smaller scale to [TS]

  get it out sooner maybe a little bit [TS]

  like a proof of concept that but that's [TS]

  exactly what I'm thinking right is like [TS]

  you know it already took them so long [TS]

  and so much time to get out california [TS]

  and nevada that if they had to make them [TS]

  almost twice as big [TS]

  that adds on a significant amount of [TS]

  time and so maybe this was a case of [TS]

  they'll put it out there [TS]

  well people buy this right will people [TS]

  buy it we know it's small [TS]

  will people care if it's small and it [TS]

  seems like a lot of the feedback was it [TS]

  is small it's like but it also sold very [TS]

  very well and and so you know maybe [TS]

  we're imagining too much of them [TS]

  thinking ahead but i wouldn't be [TS]

  surprised if this was an actual decision [TS]

  of let's upscale it later if we need to [TS]

  if it's even as successful as as we hope [TS]

  it will be so what is going to look like [TS]

  they say a trip took me like 10 minutes [TS]

  it's gonna take me nearly 20 [TS]

  yeah it'll it'll take you like 17 [TS]

  minutes right right that that's that's [TS]

  about what it's going to be which is [TS]

  great [TS]

  yeah I i think it's i think it's [TS]

  absolutely fantastic and again this is [TS]

  this for me is just such a game that [TS]

  hits a particular spot and the thing [TS]

  that I like the most is driving on the [TS]

  highways and so this essentially doubles [TS]

  driving on the highway time and it's [TS]

  it's it's absolutely great and so this [TS]

  what this announcement was super [TS]

  exciting to me and I saw it around the [TS]

  time that you could download and make [TS]

  available the Arizona beta you could [TS]

  drive around arizona as well so I was [TS]

  just like I was like the happiest camper [TS]

  that day like great [TS]

  there's a new state to drive around and [TS]

  I know they're going to make this bigger [TS]

  at some point in the future i'm american [TS]

  truck happy [TS]

  ok so Kourt xmas has come summer court [TS]

  xmas it is here is upon us cortex which [TS]

  means that me and you are not going to [TS]

  be recorded [TS]

  thing for the whole month of August its [TS]

  glorious [TS]

  what's absolutely glorious my it's not [TS]

  those it really everybody needs some [TS]

  summertime off and we're gonna get some [TS]

  summertime off now Mike you know how I [TS]

  feel about schedules [TS]

  mhm how do I feel about schedules you [TS]

  love them I do not love lol see i think [TS]

  if court xmas if we're taking time off [TS]

  cortex the show should take time off but [TS]

  because i work with you and because of a [TS]

  coincidence related to relays birthday [TS]

  that is actually not what is going to [TS]

  happen this month at all i care about [TS]

  the listener I I care deeply about the [TS]

  listener to Mike if you care about your [TS]

  mother you know right but I also care [TS]

  about a long summer of hashtag lots of [TS]

  travel and not fun and trying to [TS]

  minimize work doing that but nonetheless [TS]

  somehow the stars have aligned so that [TS]

  you listener will actually still get to [TS]

  cortex episodes even though he did the [TS]

  hope you won't be around to actually do [TS]

  them because months ago when we knew [TS]

  that this was going to come up because [TS]

  there was a court xmas on the calendar [TS]

  Mike and I recorded an episode in [TS]

  advance an episode which quite frankly [TS]

  right now I have no idea what we talked [TS]

  about and I'm excited to listen to it [TS]

  too evident because I have no memory of [TS]

  it before like that is my feeling too i [TS]

  like wow that this is going to be [TS]

  essentially the closest I ever get to [TS]

  hearing an episode of the show as a [TS]

  listener must hear it because i have no [TS]

  idea what we discussed just no memory [TS]

  whatsoever it's effectively a time [TS]

  capsule [TS]

  yeah it is it's a it's a time capsule [TS]

  episode from several months ago [TS]

  containing mysteries to you and [TS]

  mysteries to us and that is going to be [TS]

  at the end of august at some point i'm [TS]

  not exactly sure when [TS]

  so the end of august you're going to [TS]

  hear an episode that [TS]

  is out of the time continuum and was [TS]

  recorded a while ago and I thought okay [TS]

  well it's it's summertime [TS]

  there should be a little gap in the [TS]

  schedule you know it's good to mix [TS]

  things up you don't want things to [TS]

  regular people get bored if there's just [TS]

  a regular schedule that happens all the [TS]

  time don't you agree my kind of thing [TS]

  they do I think people are satisfied now [TS]

  people happy people get bored [TS]

  it's just it's just regular you gotta [TS]

  mix it up sometimes and I thought okay [TS]

  this is great there's going to be a [TS]

  little gap in the schedule mix it up for [TS]

  the people write the love it [TS]

  however it turned out we didn't realize [TS]

  until later that the summer is relays [TS]

  birthday [TS]

  mhm relays first birthday this year 2nd [TS]

  birthday second birthday this year [TS]

  good what kinda happy counted i may be [TS]

  counted correctly or incorrectly not [TS]

  that I'm zero indexing I wait I don't [TS]

  know how to fix this [TS]

  that was a boy that all negative 1 [TS]

  indexing got two years wow time goes [TS]

  fast [TS]

  this show has been around for over a [TS]

  year oh yeah that's a good point [TS]

  that's an excellent point i guess in my [TS]

  mind I still feel like this is the new [TS]

  thing right this is the newest project [TS]

  so it's still only a couple months old [TS]

  even though that the chronology doesn't [TS]

  work that way at all [TS]

  so yes relay is to as everybody knows [TS]

  and as part of the membership program we [TS]

  said that there was going to be at some [TS]

  point a special episode a non cortex [TS]

  bonus episode and it just so happened [TS]

  that it is going to be when is it going [TS]

  to be Mike's I don't know anything is [TS]

  going to be in a couple weeks in [TS]

  mid-august ok mid-august that's right we [TS]

  haven't at one hundred percent finalize [TS]

  the date at this point but so if you are [TS]

  a real a member you will get access to [TS]

  the cortex bonus show in what should be [TS]

  the week off but if you remember there [TS]

  will be an episode there [TS]

  this is a non cortex episode so we're [TS]

  not going to be discussing the finer [TS]

  details of trucks try yes let's go for [TS]

  dvorak typing but yes also trucks now [TS]

  we're not going to be discussing any [TS]

  of those things there's not going to be [TS]

  a secret caretech in which we answer [TS]

  listener emails now instead we ended up [TS]

  playing a text adventure with jason l on [TS]

  a kind of wacky game podcast which was a [TS]

  very strange but very fun experience and [TS]

  is totally out of the chronology and is [TS]

  a bizarre crossover between cortex and [TS]

  upgrade if you would like to find out [TS]

  more we have set up a special page for [TS]

  you [TS]

  cgpgrey dot-com / cortex special but if [TS]

  you want to get a taste of this members [TS]

  episode we've also created a trailer [TS]

  please enjoy see you after the summer [TS]

  everybody I mean my instinct is to just [TS]

  kill him [TS]

  and we have all six bullets Mike wins [TS]

  you died game over [TS]

  okay Mike welcome to six gun showdown [TS]

  you're fresh out of the drunk tank [TS]

  you're standing in the rundown Shack [TS]

  look around what's in this place in the [TS]

  refrigerator [TS]

  you're in the Old West I don't know [TS]

  where refrigerator you see a broken [TS]

  bottle on the floor hood a burlap sack [TS]

  you use a bed tired and parched you sit [TS]

  down to rest a lizard runs over your [TS]

  foot looks up at you and says howdy [TS]

  partner [TS]

  surely that can't be right [TS]

  blackjack is faster on the draw and [TS]

  hurls his knife into your chest you have [TS]

  died [TS]

  yeah would you like to load the game [TS]

  excellent yet [TS]

  and [TS]

  ok [TS]