Cortex 34: Punch Card System


00:00:00   the last time on the show we debuted are [TS]

00:00:02   two spin-off shows cortex and I just [TS]

00:00:05   wondered if you had happened upon the [TS]

00:00:06   artwork that has been created for those [TS]

00:00:08   two shows [TS]

00:00:09   we're nearly there now for lunch is that [TS]

00:00:13   all that's required for a new podcast is [TS]

00:00:16   just simply some fantastic artwork is [TS]

00:00:18   that the is that the first step towards [TS]

00:00:20   making a new podcast once the artwork is [TS]

00:00:22   made and if the artwork is good at that [TS]

00:00:24   point you have to do the show because [TS]

00:00:26   you got the artwork that's the way I [TS]

00:00:27   look at it anyway that is not the way i [TS]

00:00:30   look at it but I like this [TS]

00:00:32   cortech caretech artwork but just to be [TS]

00:00:35   clear in my terms of service this does [TS]

00:00:37   not obligate me to actually doing new [TS]

00:00:38   shows is just step one now is it step 0 [TS]

00:00:43   Mike have you seen this mechanical ipad [TS]

00:00:50   pro keyboard that's been going around [TS]

00:00:52   the internet last few days [TS]

00:00:54   why indeed i have Mike indeed I have [TS]

00:00:57   it's made by razr and razr they make [TS]

00:01:00   like gaming pcs right like that and [TS]

00:01:02   peripherals I think more of like a [TS]

00:01:04   gaming company [TS]

00:01:05   yeah they make very cool-looking gaming [TS]

00:01:08   peripheries yeah they're they're very [TS]

00:01:11   awesome looking stuff like we have lots [TS]

00:01:12   of lights and so customizable and and [TS]

00:01:15   lots of crazy stuff you can do with it [TS]

00:01:17   yep lots of green and blue neon you know [TS]

00:01:20   you can't have a really solid piece of [TS]

00:01:22   gaming equipment unless it is neon green [TS]

00:01:24   or blue today I'm looking at their [TS]

00:01:26   website right now at the razer [TS]

00:01:28   blackwidow chroma against an amazing [TS]

00:01:31   name with that I have never seen [TS]

00:01:33   something so insane just go to this URL [TS]

00:01:35   and just check out the gif that they've [TS]

00:01:38   got running at the top [TS]

00:01:40   ok let me look at this thing rules [TS]

00:01:44   nobody needs that computer to do this [TS]

00:01:46   you are actually maybe everybody does i [TS]

00:01:50   think everybody does 444 listener [TS]

00:01:53   it's a it's a keyboard the reason [TS]

00:01:56   they're calling it the chrome eyes it [TS]

00:01:57   looks like it it will dance rainbow [TS]

00:02:00   colors across and around all of the keys [TS]

00:02:03   that they must have a whole bunch of [TS]

00:02:04   leds behind all of the keys so that the [TS]

00:02:06   dancing rainbow across your keyboard [TS]

00:02:08   looks awesome [TS]

00:02:10   yeah I kind of want this is this is how [TS]

00:02:12   they get you [TS]

00:02:13   exactly i have i have been on their site [TS]

00:02:16   i have known about them because every [TS]

00:02:17   once in a while remember some piece of [TS]

00:02:19   gaming equipment or gear and i'll look [TS]

00:02:20   at their website don't think [TS]

00:02:22   whoo-hoo it all looks so cool i've never [TS]

00:02:24   actually bought look I just don't have [TS]

00:02:25   any real need for this stuff but it's [TS]

00:02:27   always very tempting [TS]

00:02:28   well i have often considered a gaming [TS]

00:02:31   mouse who and a friend of the show [TS]

00:02:35   underscore David Smith suggested this to [TS]

00:02:37   me when I was having RSI problems you [TS]

00:02:39   know because the programmable buttons a [TS]

00:02:41   way out easier to to trigger and they're [TS]

00:02:44   made for that so I've considered it like [TS]

00:02:46   you know one of those ones that had [TS]

00:02:47   looks like basically buttons have been [TS]

00:02:49   vomited onto the mouse and I've [TS]

00:02:51   considered it but I haven't done yet [TS]

00:02:53   just because I love my my wacom and [TS]

00:02:55   tripod set up so much but if I ever [TS]

00:02:58   decide to go back to mice again I'm [TS]

00:02:59   gonna look into gaming mice [TS]

00:03:01   that's what I also i also like their [TS]

00:03:03   names they have the deathadder chroma [TS]

00:03:06   haha another name for a mouse [TS]

00:03:09   there's the Diamondback there's the [TS]

00:03:11   abyss and these are fantastic names as [TS]

00:03:13   well yeah thatthat's the deathadder [TS]

00:03:17   chroma is an ergonomic mouse to how can [TS]

00:03:20   you know how can you not but it's also [TS]

00:03:22   got rainbow leds in it are ma'am don't [TS]

00:03:25   get the drive everyone crazy you get you [TS]

00:03:27   just get it take you to a co-working [TS]

00:03:28   space you get the chroma key board and [TS]

00:03:30   the current mouse and you just having a [TS]

00:03:32   little raven the corner the or Boris [TS]

00:03:34   wireless gaming mouse that looks pretty [TS]

00:03:36   awesome [TS]

00:03:37   look at this thing i have to tell you [TS]

00:03:38   how you know you're in a gaming website [TS]

00:03:40   when all of the photos of the mice have [TS]

00:03:43   cords on them [TS]

00:03:44   yes yeah that's that's how you know [TS]

00:03:47   you're looking at gaming peripherals [TS]

00:03:49   right oh I don't like this one it's got [TS]

00:03:51   snake ever look at it so it's like a [TS]

00:03:53   badass transformer amount it looks like [TS]

00:03:55   Batman's mouse [TS]

00:03:56   yeah it looks like it looks like the [TS]

00:03:58   Batmobile in terms of a mouse [TS]

00:04:00   yeah i kinda want this one now right it [TS]

00:04:02   was taking lots of sharp edges to cut [TS]

00:04:05   your hands but it doesn't matter because [TS]

00:04:06   you're gaming pro but uh but this one [TS]

00:04:08   doesn't have rainbow leds on it so yeah [TS]

00:04:11   but it comes with the snake apparently [TS]

00:04:12   if the picture is to be believed [TS]

00:04:14   I don't commit really wanted anyway see [TS]

00:04:19   what this is this is we're getting [TS]

00:04:20   distracted by all of follow the crew [TS]

00:04:22   looking gamer gear you can't help but be [TS]

00:04:24   distracted so razor have made a keyboard [TS]

00:04:29   case for the ipad pro 12.9 inch where [TS]

00:04:33   the keyboard side of the case features a [TS]

00:04:35   mechanical switch keyboard that they [TS]

00:04:37   have created it is a mechanical key [TS]

00:04:39   design of their own design as ultra low [TS]

00:04:41   profile right it's not the big huge [TS]

00:04:43   clicking keyboard like you have to [TS]

00:04:44   demonstrate clicky keyboard for the [TS]

00:04:46   listener great okay this is me typing on [TS]

00:04:49   keyboard i don't know if you can hear [TS]

00:04:51   that we can hear like that has a deep [TS]

00:04:53   switch on it right like this that i [TS]

00:04:55   don't like some homeless to it and I [TS]

00:04:57   expect that this isn't that i'll put a [TS]

00:04:59   link in the show notes to a video that [TS]

00:05:01   Austin evidence did on youtube kind of [TS]

00:05:02   testing it out and you can kind of hear [TS]

00:05:04   it and it basically sounds like a laptop [TS]

00:05:06   keyboard right yeah and it looks like [TS]

00:05:09   it's got a bit more travel on its [TS]

00:05:10   thicker but the thing that interests me [TS]

00:05:12   the most about this is it comes with [TS]

00:05:14   like them stand there like two parts the [TS]

00:05:16   keyboard part which can be detached from [TS]

00:05:18   the stand / case part and the case the [TS]

00:05:21   sound on the case can be put into [TS]

00:05:23   multiple different viewing angles [TS]

00:05:25   that's what interests me who because [TS]

00:05:28   this mark keyboards they have terrible [TS]

00:05:32   viewing angles [TS]

00:05:33   yeah it's this is one of those products [TS]

00:05:36   that I'm interested in but i would [TS]

00:05:41   totally just have to handle it in person [TS]

00:05:43   and picture [TS]

00:05:44   yeah because it's just him that there's [TS]

00:05:46   no amount of the most amazing video [TS]

00:05:49   review of this thing doesn't convey the [TS]

00:05:52   information that you need to know yet [TS]

00:05:54   with a keyboard so much of it is the [TS]

00:05:57   feel of it and how much do you actually [TS]

00:05:59   like typing on the thing how much better [TS]

00:06:01   are those mechanical switches i got it i [TS]

00:06:04   might who knows I might actually not [TS]

00:06:06   like typing on a mechanical keyboard [TS]

00:06:08   that has very low travel maybe my brain [TS]

00:06:10   is super used to the idea of clicking [TS]

00:06:12   switches have huge amounts of travel [TS]

00:06:14   like you know my keyboard it has a lot [TS]

00:06:17   of depth when i press each of those [TS]

00:06:18   buttons is also questions of weight i [TS]

00:06:21   just have to say I think it's a really [TS]

00:06:22   interesting product i think it is really [TS]

00:06:26   interesting that a company is even [TS]

00:06:29   estimating that there is a market for [TS]

00:06:31   this that they put the money into [TS]

00:06:33   product development [TS]

00:06:34   exactly that that's what i find is very [TS]

00:06:37   interesting about this and what I really [TS]

00:06:39   like about this is I feel like it's a [TS]

00:06:40   little indication of companies willing [TS]

00:06:43   to do crazy extra stuff for the [TS]

00:06:49   pro-market using the big ipad pro yeah [TS]

00:06:52   the guy I'm glad this thing exists i [TS]

00:06:54   would love to try it out in person to [TS]

00:06:56   see what it is like but I'm even gladder [TS]

00:06:59   that someone is willing to roll the dice [TS]

00:07:01   on this thinking there might actually be [TS]

00:07:04   a market of people who want to buy [TS]

00:07:06   mechanical keyboard for their ipad bro [TS]

00:07:08   yep I don't think I want this I think [TS]

00:07:11   that the smart keyboard is fine for me [TS]

00:07:13   but i do want to try it [TS]

00:07:15   look I don't like that it will be so [TS]

00:07:17   thick and so heavy like it will be like [TS]

00:07:19   carrying a laptop instead of an ipad but [TS]

00:07:22   I i'm interested in giving it a go but [TS]

00:07:24   it isn't easy [TS]

00:07:26   he doesn't seem easier to get my hands [TS]

00:07:28   on all these to try like if it was on [TS]

00:07:29   amazon but it's not right now at least [TS]

00:07:31   in the UK and I would just got excellent [TS]

00:07:33   beer in a day and I could return it but [TS]

00:07:36   other than that like I'm gonna keep my [TS]

00:07:38   eye on the electronic stores when I'm [TS]

00:07:39   out and about to see if they got one in [TS]

00:07:41   there you know so i can actually track [TS]

00:07:43   typing on it i could tell you what [TS]

00:07:45   probably won't have it which is the [TS]

00:07:46   apple store be very surprised at the [TS]

00:07:47   apple store carries this which it should [TS]

00:07:49   because this is a pro accessory for [TS]

00:07:52   their product but I think Apple probably [TS]

00:07:54   doesn't like that they're not using the [TS]

00:07:56   smart connected they could be using [TS]

00:07:57   bluetooth [TS]

00:07:58   yeah but the bluetooth is a bit of a [TS]

00:07:59   feature that because it allows you to [TS]

00:08:01   have this screen disconnected from the [TS]

00:08:04   keyboard and for years and years when I [TS]

00:08:07   was writing on my iPad before smart [TS]

00:08:09   keyboard covers and ipad pros existed i [TS]

00:08:12   was using a bluetooth keyboard with an [TS]

00:08:14   ipad and that was a really great feature [TS]

00:08:16   being able to separate the screen from [TS]

00:08:18   the keyboard to not have to have my [TS]

00:08:20   hands right up against the edge of it [TS]

00:08:21   and met that's what they actually do get [TS]

00:08:24   kind of annoyed with some apps on the [TS]

00:08:25   iPad pro of how you are typing at the [TS]

00:08:28   very bottom of the screen and that [TS]

00:08:30   you're your own hands can get in the way [TS]

00:08:32   of looking at the words that you're [TS]

00:08:33   trying to type so sometimes it's nice to [TS]

00:08:35   have a bit of space between the screen [TS]

00:08:36   and the keyboard so using bluetooth like [TS]

00:08:39   I could actually see them sitting in a [TS]

00:08:41   in a meeting room somewhere and deciding [TS]

00:08:43   entirely not for licensing reasons or [TS]

00:08:46   anything [TS]

00:08:47   but they want to go bluetooth for that [TS]

00:08:49   feature that they don't want to use the [TS]

00:08:51   Smart connector I think part of the [TS]

00:08:52   reason mind on the Bluetooth because [TS]

00:08:54   they wanted the keys to be backlit and [TS]

00:08:56   if you need the keys to be back late has [TS]

00:08:57   to have a battery and anyway so might as [TS]

00:08:59   well go to put you through [TS]

00:09:00   right exactly are you you have to go [TS]

00:09:02   down you have to go down this path I i [TS]

00:09:05   suspect that the weight in this one [TS]

00:09:08   would be a killer for me [TS]

00:09:09   yeah because i think i think the ipad [TS]

00:09:14   pro is already right on the edge of what [TS]

00:09:16   I'm willing to carry around [TS]

00:09:17   I agree so that like this past summer [TS]

00:09:20   when i was doing all of my travels I was [TS]

00:09:22   using primarily the ipad pro and when I [TS]

00:09:24   am traveling i don't normally do it but [TS]

00:09:26   when I'm traveling I put the the back [TS]

00:09:29   case on the ipad pro that whatever it is [TS]

00:09:32   like the silicon-silicon back case think [TS]

00:09:35   the super expensive [TS]

00:09:37   yeah yeah yeahs the ridiculous one but [TS]

00:09:38   that does fit very nicely with the smart [TS]

00:09:41   keyboard cover and I do that mainly [TS]

00:09:44   because i'm thinking i'm going to be [TS]

00:09:45   moving this thing around a lot i'm [TS]

00:09:46   traveling and this is this is a really [TS]

00:09:49   like I vastly increase the probability [TS]

00:09:50   of dropping this and so I want to have a [TS]

00:09:52   bit more protection but I was really [TS]

00:09:54   aware that the ipad pro with the back [TS]

00:09:56   case and the keyboard cover [TS]

00:09:59   I don't want to carry a thing that's [TS]

00:10:01   grams heavier than that that is [TS]

00:10:03   absolutely right at the edge of what i [TS]

00:10:04   want to be carrying around anyway yeah [TS]

00:10:06   whenever I take the keyboard cover our [TS]

00:10:07   family surprised how light is MH which [TS]

00:10:11   is frustrating but it's just because [TS]

00:10:12   it's so much material which actually [TS]

00:10:14   brings me on to another question that i [TS]

00:10:16   have that you probably know what I'm [TS]

00:10:18   going to ask you here to picture the [TS]

00:10:20   other day of your speed your baby pro [TS]

00:10:24   sitting in the keyboard cover of the big [TS]

00:10:27   Pro yep [TS]

00:10:28   wait wait then i'm typing comfortably [TS]

00:10:31   that's what I'm doing to you if you [TS]

00:10:32   tried of like for a long period of time [TS]

00:10:34   the smaller 9.7 keyboard cover yeah yeah [TS]

00:10:37   I identified I definitely did I tried [TS]

00:10:39   the smaller keyboard cover [TS]

00:10:40   it's fine it's totally fine but i would [TS]

00:10:45   prefer to use the bigger one right but [TS]

00:10:47   why don't you just use a bluetooth [TS]

00:10:49   keyboard like if in this scenario why [TS]

00:10:51   you using the case i'm using the case [TS]

00:10:54   because that that particular ipad the [TS]

00:10:57   little the little baby pro I'm often [TS]

00:10:58   just using it on the couch [TS]

00:11:00   and it's really comfortable sitting on [TS]

00:11:02   the couch while watching TV to use the [TS]

00:11:05   full-size keyboard cover to have the [TS]

00:11:07   thing in my lap to type on like it's [TS]

00:11:08   just it's very convenient to single [TS]

00:11:10   little piece plus with the keyboard case [TS]

00:11:12   i don't have to worry about charging it [TS]

00:11:14   its i just find it's a very comfortable [TS]

00:11:16   experience and and i want to reiterate [TS]

00:11:18   again that whoever is on the design team [TS]

00:11:20   for the the keyboard cases for these [TS]

00:11:23   ipads it isn't it's an incredible [TS]

00:11:26   incredible job without a doubt that is [TS]

00:11:29   the keyboard that I type of the most on [TS]

00:11:30   is is like that that keyboard cover and [TS]

00:11:34   I just absolutely love it like I think [TS]

00:11:38   it's a really fantastic keyboard say i [TS]

00:11:41   use them both right because my ipad pros [TS]

00:11:43   at both in the cases typically bookcases [TS]

00:11:46   and I love both keyboards I think [TS]

00:11:49   they're both great it is more cramped [TS]

00:11:51   than 9.71 but you just readjust to Italy [TS]

00:11:54   surprisingly fast i can go from one to [TS]

00:11:57   the other and value even notice you know [TS]

00:11:59   I just really really really wish they [TS]

00:12:02   would give me a UK layout [TS]

00:12:04   I don't know why it's so difficult for [TS]

00:12:07   them to do this but they haven't done [TS]

00:12:09   this and it's nearly been a year now [TS]

00:12:11   no no it's not my problem American [TS]

00:12:13   layout is clearly superior at return key [TS]

00:12:15   know sometimes no no it's the chumps [TS]

00:12:18   it's easy it's easier to hit you have to [TS]

00:12:20   move your pinky let's hit the return key [TS]

00:12:21   on the US keyboard it's great huh [TS]

00:12:23   not that i will actually argue that it [TS]

00:12:26   is the superior layout and argue that [TS]

00:12:27   but that is but that aside this is the [TS]

00:12:30   big problem for anybody who wants to [TS]

00:12:31   compete with what am I going to use for [TS]

00:12:34   a keyboard on my iPad pro is that I [TS]

00:12:36   really really like the keyboard cover [TS]

00:12:39   that Apple makes I think it's fantastic [TS]

00:12:42   it's really light i never have two [TS]

00:12:44   parallel power it i never have to worry [TS]

00:12:46   about connecting it just it wins on [TS]

00:12:49   every level the convenience of it makes [TS]

00:12:52   up for all the things you might not like [TS]

00:12:54   about it right like the fact that it's [TS]

00:12:56   not that the switches are amazing right [TS]

00:12:59   there is a lot of travel on the keys for [TS]

00:13:01   me like I don't even notice that because [TS]

00:13:02   i'm so happy about the fact that it's [TS]

00:13:04   always there [TS]

00:13:04   yeah it's always there I think that the [TS]

00:13:07   whoever designed those keys I I always [TS]

00:13:09   compare it to it it's almost like [TS]

00:13:11   almost like typing on on bubble wrap or [TS]

00:13:14   something it's like the ends have a [TS]

00:13:15   little bit of pop to them [TS]

00:13:17   I like the sound that they make yeah and [TS]

00:13:19   that that little bit of pop whatever is [TS]

00:13:21   inside those keys [TS]

00:13:23   it conveys a feeling of satisfaction [TS]

00:13:26   when you're typing that is similar [TS]

00:13:29   although not the same to an actual [TS]

00:13:30   mechanical keyboard in a way that I [TS]

00:13:32   think that the traditional dome cap keys [TS]

00:13:35   don't have any kind of satisfaction when [TS]

00:13:37   you type on them so I i think that the [TS]

00:13:39   the ipad built-in keyboard is is it's [TS]

00:13:43   really fantastic i really like it [TS]

00:13:45   the the biggest thing is what you said [TS]

00:13:47   before that you don't have the ability [TS]

00:13:49   to adjust the viewing angle which is a [TS]

00:13:52   pain [TS]

00:13:53   yeah it's particularly a pain if you're [TS]

00:13:54   trying to face time with someone while [TS]

00:13:56   using that because it the the angle is [TS]

00:13:58   just ridiculously far back for the [TS]

00:14:00   camera right so the person is always [TS]

00:14:01   looking at the very top of your head so [TS]

00:14:03   you have like stuff it up on a pillow or [TS]

00:14:05   something it's like rearrange the ipad [TS]

00:14:07   to make facetime work with it but [TS]

00:14:08   decided i like that is the only thing [TS]

00:14:10   that I don't like and so I'm curious to [TS]

00:14:14   see this razer keyboard but it's it's [TS]

00:14:16   going to be incredibly hard to displace [TS]

00:14:19   the ipad keyboard the built-in one [TS]

00:14:22   already so i'm glad it exists [TS]

00:14:25   I'm glad someone made it I'm glad razor [TS]

00:14:27   made it there should be more rainbow [TS]

00:14:29   leds on it [TS]

00:14:30   yeah I'm surprised it's not called like [TS]

00:14:32   the razor skull death mechanical [TS]

00:14:35   keyboard for ipad pro the snake venom [TS]

00:14:37   side winder we have for the ipad this [TS]

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00:15:29   you want to know when something's not [TS]

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00:15:45   yeah I guess they'll email you if that [TS]

00:15:47   contact form on your website is working [TS]

00:15:49   but maybe that's broken too [TS]

00:15:51   you've got to make sure that this stuff [TS]

00:15:52   is working because the internet breaks [TS]

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00:15:59   around a 13 million outages that's [TS]

00:16:02   400,000 problems everyday data centers [TS]

00:16:07   break you update some part of your [TS]

00:16:09   website and you don't realize that it [TS]

00:16:10   breaks some other totally seemingly [TS]

00:16:12   unrelated but actually deeply [TS]

00:16:14   interconnected part of your website [TS]

00:16:15   kingdom detects the outage so you'll [TS]

00:16:17   immediately be alerted [TS]

00:16:19   so you can fix the error before it [TS]

00:16:22   affects you and before it affects your [TS]

00:16:25   users when someone comes to your website [TS]

00:16:27   to buy something you want to know that [TS]

00:16:30   it is up and it is available for them to [TS]

00:16:32   literally give you money now for [TS]

00:16:35   listeners of cortex you can get a 14-day [TS]

00:16:38   free trial when you go to Kingdom [TS]

00:16:41   dot-com and use offer code cortex but [TS]

00:16:45   not only is it a 14-day trial you'll [TS]

00:16:47   also get twenty percent off at checkout [TS]

00:16:50   bing.com offer code cortex we have not [TS]

00:16:54   been a hiring update on the show for a [TS]

00:16:56   while [TS]

00:16:56   mm you hadn't mentioned anything to me [TS]

00:16:58   about this for a while I mean any of our [TS]

00:17:01   conversations so I figured it was best [TS]

00:17:03   to not ask you about it [TS]

00:17:05   excellent Mike I know you've been [TS]

00:17:06   traveling so I figured okay maybe great [TS]

00:17:09   doesn't want to talk about this but then [TS]

00:17:11   you put out a video [TS]

00:17:12   well i'm about to exit which was much [TS]

00:17:15   demanded of you and you put that video [TS]

00:17:18   out because everybody needs the gray [TS]

00:17:20   logic in this and do that as somebody [TS]

00:17:22   who is concerned unhappy and [TS]

00:17:24   uncomfortable about brexit hearing your [TS]

00:17:27   betting odds maybe feel a lot better [TS]

00:17:29   about it all but I noticed something [TS]

00:17:32   almost immediately in this video [TS]

00:17:35   what did you notice my I could tell it [TS]

00:17:36   wasn't you [TS]

00:17:38   oh really how how how do you think you [TS]

00:17:40   know that it wasn't me as a couple of [TS]

00:17:42   things [TS]

00:17:42   ok one that many people i saw in the [TS]

00:17:45   reddit notice fingers on people's arms [TS]

00:17:48   you've never done that before but the [TS]

00:17:51   thing that I noticed was the fluidity of [TS]

00:17:54   the animation that was the biggest [TS]

00:17:56   change so things were moving differently [TS]

00:17:58   there was less movement by just like job [TS]

00:18:02   cuts there was more like actual movement [TS]

00:18:03   in the slides and one of the big tells [TS]

00:18:07   for me was I think it's at one point of [TS]

00:18:10   a great character or somebody moves and [TS]

00:18:13   arm little and it moves in a non cgpgrey [TS]

00:18:17   way there's just little movements and [TS]

00:18:19   also like the illustration of the big [TS]

00:18:20   red button that isn't something you do [TS]

00:18:22   i'm watching a video right now in case [TS]

00:18:23   you couldn't tell [TS]

00:18:24   ok is that what you do it you're going [TS]

00:18:26   to the whistling face that her wouldn't [TS]

00:18:28   animate the whistling face uh-huh [TS]

00:18:31   because when i watch this video it's [TS]

00:18:33   what makes sense to me is to which type [TS]

00:18:36   of style should have one out in your [TS]

00:18:38   submission which is the FCT p gray truly [TS]

00:18:42   cared about animation to the point that [TS]

00:18:45   he wanted to learn more skills in it [TS]

00:18:47   this is how it would look like so it's [TS]

00:18:49   your style everything looks like you [TS]

00:18:51   drew right like the the stick figures [TS]

00:18:53   are all there it's not a wild departure [TS]

00:18:55   but the animation of all the characters [TS]

00:18:58   looks more alive more fluid and it's [TS]

00:19:00   just like the next step but because for [TS]

00:19:04   you the videos are in the work that you [TS]

00:19:06   do in the script soon and the animation [TS]

00:19:08   is just to help bring the script to life [TS]

00:19:10   putting that amount of effort and time [TS]

00:19:12   into learning how to animate in this [TS]

00:19:14   different way just was never in your [TS]

00:19:16   view but if you have somebody who does [TS]

00:19:19   this they're able to just bring it to [TS]

00:19:21   life a little bit more and a bit more [TS]

00:19:23   fluidity to the motion which I can [TS]

00:19:25   totally see in these you're still [TS]

00:19:26   confident that I didn't tell me I'm a [TS]

00:19:28   hundred percent confident that the [TS]

00:19:29   interesting thing to me [TS]

00:19:31   is I don't quite know what you mean also [TS]

00:19:34   speculation time which is the best thing [TS]

00:19:36   that you put in any video of all time [TS]

00:19:38   speculation time is my entire life right [TS]

00:19:42   now that rainbow my words so good [TS]

00:19:45   ok we can get badges regulation time I [TS]

00:19:49   don't know what you mean by fluid [TS]

00:19:51   because I know the timeline of this [TS]

00:19:53   video and there are only I think two or [TS]

00:19:57   three moments that aren't just static [TS]

00:20:01   images on the screen so when you keep [TS]

00:20:03   saying more fluid-like i'm not quite [TS]

00:20:04   sure what you think you're seeing there [TS]

00:20:06   but it is actually a very large series [TS]

00:20:09   of static images there's only three [TS]

00:20:12   things that I think are actually [TS]

00:20:13   animated a little the little country [TS]

00:20:16   girls popping out of the United Kingdom [TS]

00:20:17   speculation time rainbow is animated it [TS]

00:20:20   wipes it on the screen and there's one [TS]

00:20:22   other one other little moment that's [TS]

00:20:25   animated everything else is a is a still [TS]

00:20:26   shot let me give you an example of what [TS]

00:20:29   I mean by fluidity which is in the cuts [TS]

00:20:31   blue which is in the little parts that [TS]

00:20:34   happen that are necessary [TS]

00:20:36   so for example quite early in the video [TS]

00:20:38   you're sitting behind a desk and [TS]

00:20:40   something changed in the screen behind [TS]

00:20:41   you and your arm goes from bent straight [TS]

00:20:43   to point at it [TS]

00:20:44   look I just don't think that something [TS]

00:20:45   you would have done who [TS]

00:20:47   so it's like it adds more life to the [TS]

00:20:49   video and what I say fluid that's kind [TS]

00:20:51   of what I mean there's more happening [TS]

00:20:53   there are more little movements there's [TS]

00:20:55   less still em like that just a little [TS]

00:20:59   elements change like again like the [TS]

00:21:01   whistling thing it's not necessary but [TS]

00:21:03   it's there [TS]

00:21:04   who and then also just an illustration [TS]

00:21:06   quality that's higher than yours which [TS]

00:21:08   is like for example the back in cap blue [TS]

00:21:11   or what would you call it a little visor [TS]

00:21:12   it just looks kind of our place in the [TS]

00:21:15   cgpgrey flat world because it like a [TS]

00:21:18   little shine to it and stuff so these [TS]

00:21:20   are the things that make me one hundred [TS]

00:21:23   percent certain but you did not do the [TS]

00:21:26   illustration and animation for this [TS]

00:21:28   video so am i right [TS]

00:21:30   so confident you are Mike so confident [TS]

00:21:33   and yes you are right about that this [TS]

00:21:36   this was the first video that someone [TS]

00:21:40   else did [TS]

00:21:42   99.5 [TS]

00:21:44   scent of the animation for this there [TS]

00:21:47   was just a tiny amount that I changed at [TS]

00:21:49   the last second a couple little frames [TS]

00:21:51   but essentially this was entirely done [TS]

00:21:53   by a different person i handed over a [TS]

00:21:55   bunch of my assets for them to work with [TS]

00:21:58   my hand it over the assets that had [TS]

00:22:01   created of me at the desk a few of the [TS]

00:22:04   things that normally use fonts i handed [TS]

00:22:06   over the country girls file about a [TS]

00:22:09   bunch of like style guide kind of [TS]

00:22:12   elements but i was working with somebody [TS]

00:22:17   else to create the animation for this [TS]

00:22:19   video so you're right you're right like [TS]

00:22:21   I want to come back to the assets i [TS]

00:22:22   think now but there's an important [TS]

00:22:25   question in this which is is the hiring [TS]

00:22:27   process over not exactly i am in [TS]

00:22:34   parallel trying a few things with a few [TS]

00:22:37   different people is is what's going on [TS]

00:22:40   and there's there are some things that [TS]

00:22:43   might come out in the future which are [TS]

00:22:44   done in a different way there are some [TS]

00:22:46   things that are just being tested so [TS]

00:22:48   strictly speaking know that the hiring [TS]

00:22:50   process is not over at this stage well I [TS]

00:22:53   guess it depends on your interpretation [TS]

00:22:55   of my question I think you're answering [TS]

00:22:57   this in like I haven't found my first [TS]

00:22:59   employee but are you still looking for [TS]

00:23:03   suggestions from people are you still [TS]

00:23:05   going to any of that you have like at [TS]

00:23:07   least a few people where you're like [TS]

00:23:09   they are good enough that i will use [TS]

00:23:11   them i am still refining down the list [TS]

00:23:13   of people who I would want to work with [TS]

00:23:15   in the future but you have at least [TS]

00:23:17   obviously found someone who fits the [TS]

00:23:20   bill up at a base level so yes [TS]

00:23:22   the-the-the in that in that sense yes i [TS]

00:23:25   have found so far at least one person [TS]

00:23:28   who I would be happy to work with in the [TS]

00:23:31   future because you know like it i want [TS]

00:23:34   to see it go further but that that [TS]

00:23:36   requires maybe different people as well [TS]

00:23:38   I wanted never never be satisfied you [TS]

00:23:40   can never set as well people fact is [TS]

00:23:42   this is a further furthermore i still [TS]

00:23:45   think there's more that can be done [TS]

00:23:46   right so i assume that you put some [TS]

00:23:49   constraints on this video but i would [TS]

00:23:52   love to see more animation in your [TS]

00:23:56   videos [TS]

00:23:57   then then what we have here as well so I [TS]

00:23:59   mean I'm hoping that you continue to [TS]

00:24:01   push it [TS]

00:24:02   mhm yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be [TS]

00:24:04   Pixar studios eventually that's where [TS]

00:24:05   this is going like why not it's gonna be [TS]

00:24:07   why not it's gonna be hair animated on [TS]

00:24:11   monster skins sky's the limit maybe why [TS]

00:24:14   you know white white box yourself in the [TS]

00:24:16   entire video shot under cgi water you [TS]

00:24:20   can do like what pixar do you know you [TS]

00:24:21   can take your animation team snorkeling [TS]

00:24:23   so you can understand the way that fish [TS]

00:24:25   move you can do all of that yeah i think [TS]

00:24:27   that's that's the endgame for great [TS]

00:24:29   industries without a doubt and that's [TS]

00:24:30   how that's going to work that limit [TS]

00:24:32   yourself great field trips to Harvard to [TS]

00:24:34   see what universities are like yeah this [TS]

00:24:36   is how this is gonna go into a classroom [TS]

00:24:38   so they can really understand how to [TS]

00:24:40   animate the whiteboard really do think [TS]

00:24:43   that stuff matters but that's a whole [TS]

00:24:44   other issue like this and that capital [TS]

00:24:49   actually do think that is a very [TS]

00:24:50   legitimate business expense if you could [TS]

00:24:51   animate monsters inc is take everybody [TS]

00:24:53   to Harvard a lot of completely bent [TS]

00:24:55   under percent agree it sounds crazy but [TS]

00:24:57   I think he's right i think he was right [TS]

00:24:58   to do that there was no Apple pencil on [TS]

00:25:00   the desk but yes that was I was totally [TS]

00:25:02   aware of that and it was I was kind of [TS]

00:25:03   shaking my fist afterward I was very [TS]

00:25:05   upset i handed over the asset file that [TS]

00:25:08   has the old i think it's i think that's [TS]

00:25:09   the ipad 4 on my desk there i can tell [TS]

00:25:12   it's an old one because I remember the [TS]

00:25:14   day where you working on animation and [TS]

00:25:16   you very proudly sent me a screenshot [TS]

00:25:18   with the pencil on the on the ipad and I [TS]

00:25:21   think I think you just have to meet [TS]

00:25:22   attention to detail so yeah but yes 03 a [TS]

00:25:28   slight asset mix up i did it i did end [TS]

00:25:31   up with an old ipad the desk [TS]

00:25:33   this is one of those times where you [TS]

00:25:35   really wish you two could let you swap [TS]

00:25:36   out the video i really do right listen [TS]

00:25:39   listen you two but I absolutely have to [TS]

00:25:41   change the ipad on the disk don't you [TS]

00:25:42   don't understand how important this is [TS]

00:25:43   to me and four other people in the world [TS]

00:25:46   who notice that I very slowly update the [TS]

00:25:48   set of tools that i use on last because [TS]

00:25:50   now it's like you're a time traveler [TS]

00:25:53   mhm because you're now talking about [TS]

00:25:54   breaks it with an ipad for mhm yeah this [TS]

00:25:57   is pretty ipad pro time [TS]

00:25:59   yeah it does it doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:26:00   actually wonder someone should someone [TS]

00:26:02   should find where is the first time that [TS]

00:26:04   I had [TS]

00:26:05   and ipad on the desk i don't i don't [TS]

00:26:06   know which video would have been and I'd [TS]

00:26:08   be curious to know because there are [TS]

00:26:09   older ones where you can see that I [TS]

00:26:11   still show myself using a laptop and [TS]

00:26:13   various shots but I don't know when I [TS]

00:26:14   first put the ipad on the desk and not [TS]

00:26:16   sure when that happens but yeah so but [TS]

00:26:18   so that was a little there's a little [TS]

00:26:19   editing glitch that occurred in the [TS]

00:26:21   process of animation not fatal obviously [TS]

00:26:24   I couldn't feel the need to pull the [TS]

00:26:25   whole video out of it that is not [TS]

00:26:28   available leave but yes there there are [TS]

00:26:30   there are things that if you vary [TS]

00:26:31   eagle-eyed people did notice that were a [TS]

00:26:34   little bit different with this animation [TS]

00:26:37   or yeah just a little bit out of the [TS]

00:26:39   ordinary and yet but so that's that was [TS]

00:26:41   partly because i was working with [TS]

00:26:43   somebody else which was a very [TS]

00:26:44   interesting process and I also have to [TS]

00:26:47   say that this video would never ever [TS]

00:26:51   have occurred were it not for being able [TS]

00:26:54   to work with someone on the animation it [TS]

00:26:56   just it was interesting but it is like [TS]

00:26:59   during the process of thinking about mi [TS]

00:27:01   actually going to do a video on break [TS]

00:27:04   Seth like what might this look like how [TS]

00:27:05   might it might come to be i was really [TS]

00:27:08   aware that had I not gotten to this [TS]

00:27:12   stage that i was at with filtering down [TS]

00:27:15   a list of people to work with and [TS]

00:27:17   seriously being able to consider working [TS]

00:27:19   with some of them there's no way I would [TS]

00:27:23   have considered a brexit video it just [TS]

00:27:24   it just wouldn't have even been remotely [TS]

00:27:26   feasible why it wouldn't have been [TS]

00:27:29   feasible because of the time frame of [TS]

00:27:32   producing something like this [TS]

00:27:34   yeah so if you will allow me to pull [TS]

00:27:37   back the cotton a little bit will you [TS]

00:27:38   allow me to do that [TS]

00:27:40   okay i don't know how much of the [TS]

00:27:41   curtain you're going to pull them we [TS]

00:27:44   were talking about this video you sent [TS]

00:27:47   me a script to look over because me and [TS]

00:27:49   you have been talking about breakfast a [TS]

00:27:50   bunch and maybe I've followed some of [TS]

00:27:53   the news morning you have which again [TS]

00:27:55   between you it's not very much but I've [TS]

00:27:59   been kind of looking at it and I looked [TS]

00:28:00   over the script and then thinks like to [TS]

00:28:03   come together like super quickly like [TS]

00:28:05   that way faster then usual for you which [TS]

00:28:10   that raised my eyebrows in the first [TS]

00:28:12   instance right like when I knew you were [TS]

00:28:13   animating was like this is quick like [TS]

00:28:16   even gray is working with someone [TS]

00:28:18   he's decided to say to hell with my [TS]

00:28:20   hands who [TS]

00:28:21   so this timeline is a lot faster and [TS]

00:28:25   that is very interesting because we had [TS]

00:28:27   previously on this show spoken about the [TS]

00:28:29   fact that when you do this when you [TS]

00:28:31   bring someone in [TS]

00:28:32   you were kind of expecting it to be a [TS]

00:28:34   lot of hard work to get them to the [TS]

00:28:36   point where they could do this for you [TS]

00:28:38   but maybe that's at least if it's hard [TS]

00:28:40   work it's not work that takes a lot of [TS]

00:28:42   time [TS]

00:28:42   yeah was it this is part of the process [TS]

00:28:44   of trying to figure out which is the [TS]

00:28:46   person that I want to work with and [TS]

00:28:48   doing just a little bit of initial [TS]

00:28:49   feedback and essentially in in in no [TS]

00:28:53   small way this very video was a bit like [TS]

00:28:57   a job application stage of saying listen [TS]

00:29:01   let's let's see if we can do with thing [TS]

00:29:03   really quickly and with the person i was [TS]

00:29:06   working with I would have known within [TS]

00:29:09   the first day or two based on what i was [TS]

00:29:10   getting back from them if this was even [TS]

00:29:12   possible show and so the the person that [TS]

00:29:14   I chose to work with on this I wasn't [TS]

00:29:16   just immediately seem like yes I think [TS]

00:29:18   that this is possible [TS]

00:29:20   let's just see if we can go for it and [TS]

00:29:22   one of the ways in which i like to try [TS]

00:29:24   to arrange projects is to have them be [TS]

00:29:27   valuable even if they fail or even if [TS]

00:29:32   they don't work out and so when I was [TS]

00:29:35   thinking about doing this brexit video [TS]

00:29:36   one of the things i was thinking of was [TS]

00:29:39   well if I work on this script and I am [TS]

00:29:44   trying to make this video with somebody [TS]

00:29:46   else and it doesn't work out because of [TS]

00:29:49   the animations like the animations are [TS]

00:29:51   not able to be done in the required time [TS]

00:29:53   into the required quality that i need at [TS]

00:29:55   the very least i have learned something [TS]

00:29:57   about one of my finalists candidates [TS]

00:29:59   right that's so it's like even if this [TS]

00:30:02   is a disaster is not a total disaster [TS]

00:30:03   there is something that is kind of [TS]

00:30:05   salvaged out of it [TS]

00:30:06   the time money calculation work cell [TS]

00:30:08   checks out it checks out because I look [TS]

00:30:10   I'm I'm I'm essentially giving someone [TS]

00:30:12   something to do under a kind of time [TS]

00:30:14   constraints and I need to be able to see [TS]

00:30:15   what they're able to do because if you [TS]

00:30:17   didn't do this you never notice about [TS]

00:30:19   this person and then that is counter to [TS]

00:30:22   how you want to run your business going [TS]

00:30:23   forward [TS]

00:30:23   exactly exactly so what my view was even [TS]

00:30:27   if the video didn't come out there was [TS]

00:30:29   there was still an upside to eat [TS]

00:30:31   in doing this and that was one of the [TS]

00:30:34   reasons why I wanted to do this is like [TS]

00:30:35   okay let me see [TS]

00:30:36   and it was also just an ability to see [TS]

00:30:38   and to test a kind of quick turnaround [TS]

00:30:42   because in the process of making this i [TS]

00:30:44   was looking it up and I think it was [TS]

00:30:46   something like 11 days start to finish [TS]

00:30:51   on this video which is a pretty fast [TS]

00:30:53   turnaround for me I think you're [TS]

00:30:56   underselling that [TS]

00:30:57   oh yeah 11 days start to finish [TS]

00:31:00   it's very fast it's very fast for me [TS]

00:31:03   it's not a pace that I would want to [TS]

00:31:05   work out regularly and it's not a pace [TS]

00:31:07   that would want my animators to work out [TS]

00:31:09   regularly your business so far as proven [TS]

00:31:12   that you don't need to do that right [TS]

00:31:13   right [TS]

00:31:14   this video was a case of there is an [TS]

00:31:16   implicit time pressure because this [TS]

00:31:19   video can only be produced so fast [TS]

00:31:22   we're trying to talk about a changing [TS]

00:31:25   situation and so if this is a thing [TS]

00:31:28   that's going to take three weeks there's [TS]

00:31:30   there's no good way to talk about it [TS]

00:31:33   three weeks from now right because too [TS]

00:31:34   much will have too much will change talk [TS]

00:31:36   about changing situation [TS]

00:31:38   yeah yeah and yes the scripted changed [TS]

00:31:41   several times over even the space of [TS]

00:31:43   those 11 day like I don't know how [TS]

00:31:44   racket that everything's changed because [TS]

00:31:47   now we have a prime minister [TS]

00:31:48   yeah that was that was a was like curse [TS]

00:31:51   you increasing stability of the world is [TS]

00:31:53   not what I want from my scripts my [TS]

00:31:56   script is based on the premise that [TS]

00:31:57   there won't be a prime minister for [TS]

00:31:58   several months but somehow this is just [TS]

00:32:01   changed overnight [TS]

00:32:02   I say when I knew this was coming [TS]

00:32:04   together I just every every few hours i [TS]

00:32:06   would just go to the BBC News homepage [TS]

00:32:08   and just see and want to keep sending [TS]

00:32:11   you articles like I felt a duty was like [TS]

00:32:14   I know you're not looking like you need [TS]

00:32:15   to know if we have a prime minister [TS]

00:32:17   yes i was i was glad to be kept up to [TS]

00:32:21   date but all of this is just a long way [TS]

00:32:22   of saying that i couldn't have possibly [TS]

00:32:24   consider doing this video on my own [TS]

00:32:26   because essentially the animator was [TS]

00:32:29   working simultaneously on this as i was [TS]

00:32:32   writing the script and so that meant [TS]

00:32:35   that I was kind of burning some of his [TS]

00:32:37   work when I was making changes but it [TS]

00:32:40   was still like we are each trying to get [TS]

00:32:42   towards the thing at the same time [TS]

00:32:44   and he only had the the final audio the [TS]

00:32:48   the evening before it was supposed to go [TS]

00:32:51   up right but kept working off of my [TS]

00:32:53   drafts and storyboards and things so [TS]

00:32:56   this this is why i was able to be done [TS]

00:32:58   because if that hadn't occurred it took [TS]

00:33:01   me 11 days to get a finished script and [TS]

00:33:06   then if I had to sit down and animated [TS]

00:33:07   that would have been especially because [TS]

00:33:10   it's a longer video the normal that [TS]

00:33:12   would have been close to a week maybe [TS]

00:33:14   yeah i'm going to say close to a week if [TS]

00:33:16   I was if I was really pushing it and not [TS]

00:33:18   caring at all about my hand and then in [TS]

00:33:20   all honesty you have to every written [TS]

00:33:22   the script again like yeah but yeah [TS]

00:33:24   there's no way it would have worked [TS]

00:33:25   that's exactly at an additional week [TS]

00:33:27   would have meant too much changing the [TS]

00:33:29   political situation I would have gone [TS]

00:33:31   back to go the audio and like I guess [TS]

00:33:33   what this loop will just continue [TS]

00:33:34   however you can't fix this audio and [TS]

00:33:37   this script fast enough to also be able [TS]

00:33:39   to animate whatever the changes are just [TS]

00:33:41   going to get stuck in this forever [TS]

00:33:42   I want to talk about some of the [TS]

00:33:43   practicalities of this process [TS]

00:33:46   no because this is a way that you have [TS]

00:33:49   worked very closely with someone in a [TS]

00:33:52   different way to before you know it mean [TS]

00:33:54   you were quite closely with sending [TS]

00:33:55   audio files back and forth but not at [TS]

00:33:58   the speed and pace and frequency who [TS]

00:34:00   like I'm not making an edit and then [TS]

00:34:02   sending it to you and then you don't [TS]

00:34:04   make an edit and send it to me I just do [TS]

00:34:06   the full show and then send it to you [TS]

00:34:08   and then you take a look at the four sho [TS]

00:34:10   we're not like taking a little blocks [TS]

00:34:11   and chopping them up and stuff like that [TS]

00:34:12   who which is what I assume was a little [TS]

00:34:14   bit more of what was happening with the [TS]

00:34:17   animator who that you were kind of [TS]

00:34:19   sending it back and forwards to them and [TS]

00:34:21   they were checking things of you you are [TS]

00:34:23   sending the medics they were making more [TS]

00:34:25   edits you were checking on that kind of [TS]

00:34:26   thing [TS]

00:34:26   so how was that process going backwards [TS]

00:34:28   and forwards how are you communicating [TS]

00:34:29   how are you transferring files that kind [TS]

00:34:31   of thing [TS]

00:34:32   ok so here is the rough process this [TS]

00:34:34   would have been the Friday before the [TS]

00:34:37   video went up so like we are a week [TS]

00:34:38   earlier i had finished what i thought [TS]

00:34:41   was a a pretty decent rough script for [TS]

00:34:45   video this is this is a stage I always [TS]

00:34:47   have to get to which is a bit of a [TS]

00:34:49   proof-of-concept like is there something [TS]

00:34:52   to talk about here like I'm not and not [TS]

00:34:54   exactly sure there was a great thing to [TS]

00:34:55   talk about and so eventually settled on [TS]

00:34:57   this idea [TS]

00:34:57   talking about in terms of bets and then [TS]

00:34:59   I thought okay maybe maybe there's a [TS]

00:35:01   thing to discuss here so let me just try [TS]

00:35:03   to see if i can find a script and [TS]

00:35:05   sometimes in this process I discovered [TS]

00:35:06   like actually no there really isn't [TS]

00:35:08   anything to talk about it so I had about [TS]

00:35:10   1,500 words for a script that I thought [TS]

00:35:14   okay this is enough that I can look at [TS]

00:35:17   this and i can say go like we can try to [TS]

00:35:20   do this and so the first the first stage [TS]

00:35:24   was just doing a very rough storyboard [TS]

00:35:28   for if this rough script is to become a [TS]

00:35:31   video what are the things that are going [TS]

00:35:34   to be needed on screen but what are the [TS]

00:35:38   items that we are talking about and so [TS]

00:35:40   how is entering and leaving the EU going [TS]

00:35:43   to be conceptualized and how are the [TS]

00:35:46   political parties going to be shown how [TS]

00:35:48   are all of these elements going to be on [TS]

00:35:49   screen and there's a way you can do that [TS]

00:35:52   which is to just just do it by stick [TS]

00:35:54   figures and so I largely turn that over [TS]

00:35:57   to the animator and said storyboard this [TS]

00:36:01   out for me and and that was kind of like [TS]

00:36:04   my first test of of seeing can you get [TS]

00:36:06   back to me a storyboard on this rough [TS]

00:36:09   script that looks reasonable to me and [TS]

00:36:12   and the answer was yes and so when I got [TS]

00:36:14   back to storyboard look reasonable it's [TS]

00:36:15   like okay we're gonna go [TS]

00:36:17   what is the story polls look like a [TS]

00:36:19   storyboard just looks like a bunch of [TS]

00:36:21   hand-drawn boxes with little stick [TS]

00:36:23   figures in it and like just the roughest [TS]

00:36:26   possible drawing that you could have of [TS]

00:36:29   what is going to happen in each section [TS]

00:36:31   of the script we had that and then the [TS]

00:36:33   way it worked was that i just spent the [TS]

00:36:37   heck each morning working on the script [TS]

00:36:40   each afternoon trying to keep up a [TS]

00:36:43   little bit with politically what's going [TS]

00:36:44   on and reading and then each evening [TS]

00:36:46   working on the script against i was [TS]

00:36:48   doing like two major writing and one [TS]

00:36:49   like reading section each day this is [TS]

00:36:52   like my cycle of going through it and [TS]

00:36:54   while I was doing that the animator [TS]

00:36:58   wasn't trying to animate the video [TS]

00:37:01   directly but was instead trying to [TS]

00:37:03   create all of the pieces that would need [TS]

00:37:06   to be assembled at the end so [TS]

00:37:10   this is how this was able to be done [TS]

00:37:12   there's a way to work on the animations [TS]

00:37:14   without having to actually be animating [TS]

00:37:17   like each frame that's going to occur [TS]

00:37:19   it's it's more like create the pieces [TS]

00:37:21   that will be frantically assembled [TS]

00:37:24   together at the last possible second but [TS]

00:37:26   you know ninety percent of the work has [TS]

00:37:28   been done in the creation of the assets [TS]

00:37:30   that are going to be on screen right so [TS]

00:37:33   that's that's the way this was working i [TS]

00:37:34   kept messaging him every time I had done [TS]

00:37:36   a major revision just said okay here's [TS]

00:37:39   here's the stuff that's changed if you [TS]

00:37:41   were working on these assets like this [TS]

00:37:42   thing is no longer no longer needs to be [TS]

00:37:45   there so just dump it if you're working [TS]

00:37:46   on it and and hears anything new that [TS]

00:37:48   will need to be created and something [TS]

00:37:51   that a perfect example is like we need a [TS]

00:37:53   prime minister now right there was no [TS]

00:37:54   reference to five minutes during the [TS]

00:37:56   script but now we need something for the [TS]

00:37:57   prime minister to do and yeah there [TS]

00:37:59   needs to be some reference to her right [TS]

00:38:00   now yeah now that needs to be a specific [TS]

00:38:02   Prime Minister right right there doesn't [TS]

00:38:04   need to be a a generic nobody's doing [TS]

00:38:07   the job Prime Minister yeah and so that [TS]

00:38:09   is that is roughly how it went as the [TS]

00:38:11   days as the days went on more assets [TS]

00:38:14   were created and then there's parts of [TS]

00:38:16   the script which looked very unlikely to [TS]

00:38:17   change and so those start getting [TS]

00:38:19   created in two different into different [TS]

00:38:21   slides and it all starts coming together [TS]

00:38:23   until the very end where the day before [TS]

00:38:24   I'm able to say okay here is the final [TS]

00:38:26   audio and animated against this like [TS]

00:38:30   this so now we know what the timings [TS]

00:38:32   need to be for how long it takes me to [TS]

00:38:33   say each individual part and I'm [TS]

00:38:36   assuming you're communicating via slack [TS]

00:38:38   transferring files by Dropbox is yeah [TS]

00:38:41   this is an entirely slack dropbox [TS]

00:38:44   project which is kind of amazing to me [TS]

00:38:46   that again you can work with someone [TS]

00:38:47   just anywhere random if the world was [TS]

00:38:50   like yeah but we have like instant [TS]

00:38:51   messaging platform files can be [TS]

00:38:53   transferred back and forth immediately [TS]

00:38:55   this is even little things that I just I [TS]

00:38:57   don't know I I i still feel like it's [TS]

00:38:59   slightly magical that i can get a [TS]

00:39:01   message from a guy who's like oh hey I [TS]

00:39:03   need that scroll that you use all the [TS]

00:39:05   time and I can open up my phone like [TS]

00:39:07   drill down into dropbox where I keep [TS]

00:39:09   that copy it over into the shared folder [TS]

00:39:10   that we have and then he gets it seconds [TS]

00:39:12   later right now but I'm like walking to [TS]

00:39:14   my house and just doing this on my phone [TS]

00:39:16   with one hand as a step on from that [TS]

00:39:18   like that the way that improves the [TS]

00:39:20   collaboration process between you and [TS]

00:39:21   this person is amazing because now they [TS]

00:39:23   never need to [TS]

00:39:23   for that again yeah this is the idea of [TS]

00:39:26   the assets right right and eventually [TS]

00:39:28   like they you just don't need to give [TS]

00:39:30   anything like that anymore because they [TS]

00:39:31   have it all which is interesting [TS]

00:39:34   yeah there is I mean my description [TS]

00:39:37   might sound a little bit like rushed and [TS]

00:39:39   chaotic and i have to say this was [TS]

00:39:41   definitely a little bit rushed and [TS]

00:39:43   chaotic there were a bunch of ways we [TS]

00:39:45   were doing stuff that we were talking [TS]

00:39:47   about like this is not how we're [TS]

00:39:48   normally gonna do this if we work [TS]

00:39:49   together in the future you don't have [TS]

00:39:51   processes yet yet but it was a question [TS]

00:39:53   of is there just a super fast way to do [TS]

00:39:56   it right now just do it that way even if [TS]

00:40:00   this is not a good way to do things in [TS]

00:40:01   the future because what what matters is [TS]

00:40:04   we need this up by Friday like we cannot [TS]

00:40:07   afford an additional weekend news cycle [TS]

00:40:10   so just whatever is fastest just do that [TS]

00:40:14   that's what we're going to do and at the [TS]

00:40:15   end of it you just delivered a video [TS]

00:40:17   file [TS]

00:40:18   yes the way we did it this time was I [TS]

00:40:21   was delivered a video file just a just a [TS]

00:40:24   straight up and before that I imported [TS]

00:40:27   into final cut pro added a few things [TS]

00:40:29   that I needed to do added in a couple of [TS]

00:40:31   little transitions that I wanted in [TS]

00:40:33   there and then I react sport again and [TS]

00:40:36   uploaded to YouTube [TS]

00:40:37   that's a perfect example of this is a [TS]

00:40:39   terrible way to normally do it but this [TS]

00:40:42   is the fastest way to just do it now but [TS]

00:40:45   like get it done [TS]

00:40:46   great just send me an mp4 file like we [TS]

00:40:48   don't have time to deal with out we [TS]

00:40:50   don't like me re-rendering it on my end [TS]

00:40:53   like no potential is actually faster to [TS]

00:40:55   just send it across the internet isn't [TS]

00:40:56   it before let's just do it that way did [TS]

00:40:58   it feel pretty good the I was just [TS]

00:41:02   pleased that it was done and I've been [TS]

00:41:05   thinking about it a lot that it's I [TS]

00:41:08   don't really like doing super fast [TS]

00:41:11   turnaround stuff i find it very [TS]

00:41:13   stressful i really don't like playing [TS]

00:41:15   any games with the new cycle but it was [TS]

00:41:19   it was interesting and useful to have [TS]

00:41:22   done this one this time just to see that [TS]

00:41:26   it's possible and and to have that as a [TS]

00:41:29   thing to keep in mind for the future [TS]

00:41:32   because you're that there are things [TS]

00:41:34   that you focus on [TS]

00:41:36   that every few years there is a video [TS]

00:41:39   like this that should be made like an [TS]

00:41:42   election occurs and something crazy [TS]

00:41:45   happens in the election like that is so [TS]

00:41:47   within your wheelhouse you just make [TS]

00:41:49   sense for you to have a video about it [TS]

00:41:50   that's why everybody really wanted a [TS]

00:41:52   brexit video from you right because [TS]

00:41:54   there are so many elements of brexit [TS]

00:41:57   which for directly into cg b grades [TS]

00:42:00   video will house right there is a really [TS]

00:42:02   interesting election that's done [TS]

00:42:04   something way movements between [TS]

00:42:06   countries like political that it all [TS]

00:42:08   kind of ties together so nicely [TS]

00:42:10   you know that's why everybody wanted it [TS]

00:42:12   and it's good to know now that you at [TS]

00:42:14   least in your back pocket have the [TS]

00:42:16   ability to have a video from conception [TS]

00:42:19   to delivery in like ten days it's just a [TS]

00:42:23   good thing you don't know you can do [TS]

00:42:25   which you couldn't have done like that [TS]

00:42:28   this is you so that there's no way this [TS]

00:42:30   video would have existed if you were [TS]

00:42:31   trying to do on your own [TS]

00:42:32   yeah there's there's there's no way it's [TS]

00:42:34   just not possible that the fastest [TS]

00:42:36   turnaround I ever did was the [TS]

00:42:38   Confederate flag video but if you go [TS]

00:42:40   back and look at that first of all it's [TS]

00:42:42   incredibly short right it is a a very [TS]

00:42:45   short video that is is very minimal and [TS]

00:42:50   information that that needs to get out [TS]

00:42:51   there which is the only reason I was [TS]

00:42:53   able to even consider doing that two [TS]

00:42:55   minutes and 20 seconds [TS]

00:42:56   yeah this is so it's like hardly [TS]

00:42:58   anything it was almost like a like a [TS]

00:43:01   second full kind of video radical issues [TS]

00:43:02   like here's the thing i have some [TS]

00:43:04   thoughts on it and it's done [TS]

00:43:05   yeah exactly it was it was very very [TS]

00:43:07   very short whereas the brexit one [TS]

00:43:09   because i really felt that the only way [TS]

00:43:11   to talk about it was with speculation [TS]

00:43:15   time was to acknowledge and discuss the [TS]

00:43:19   fact that there is no process that this [TS]

00:43:21   is all just speculation is kind of why I [TS]

00:43:24   felt ok doing that video in that way [TS]

00:43:26   speculation is an intrinsic part of what [TS]

00:43:28   is occurring now so let's speculate like [TS]

00:43:31   let's do that but in order to get to [TS]

00:43:34   that stage of the video like why is it [TS]

00:43:37   speculation there's there's enough [TS]

00:43:39   ground work that needs to be late and [TS]

00:43:41   enough stuff that needs to be talked [TS]

00:43:42   about that there's no way that that can [TS]

00:43:44   be a short video like it [TS]

00:43:47   i I couldn't do a video where I just [TS]

00:43:48   came out and just talked about the odds [TS]

00:43:50   of breakfast I can be it wouldn't make [TS]

00:43:52   sense i think i think it needs it needed [TS]

00:43:54   a little bit of context but then that's [TS]

00:43:56   that's why the video is whatever it is [TS]

00:43:58   six minutes seven minutes long i have no [TS]

00:44:00   idea its pretty long time talking pretty [TS]

00:44:03   fast through the script so yeah it's it [TS]

00:44:06   was not doable on my own but doable with [TS]

00:44:10   somebody else [TS]

00:44:11   how do you feel about the future now one [TS]

00:44:13   of the things I I think about the future [TS]

00:44:14   just in general is the importance of [TS]

00:44:20   proof of concepts like just the the [TS]

00:44:23   proof that the thing is able to be done [TS]

00:44:25   even if it is not done in a [TS]

00:44:27   cost-effective or elegant or quick way [TS]

00:44:31   like you approve that anything is [TS]

00:44:32   possible to do i usually with regards [TS]

00:44:35   the world of technology like proof of [TS]

00:44:37   concepts are very interesting and to me [TS]

00:44:40   this this is me essentially having gone [TS]

00:44:43   through a proof of concept that i can do [TS]

00:44:48   a video with having someone else do the [TS]

00:44:51   animation if I'm able to work with the [TS]

00:44:53   right person [TS]

00:44:54   there are several ways that this has an [TS]

00:44:59   impact on my work and I feel like I'm [TS]

00:45:03   i'm still trying to think through [TS]

00:45:05   precisely what this means i haven't [TS]

00:45:09   really come to a solid conclusion but I [TS]

00:45:13   feel like one of the main things that I [TS]

00:45:16   had on my mind when we started this [TS]

00:45:19   whole hashtag year of less me was was [TS]

00:45:24   trying to remove myself from parts of [TS]

00:45:27   the business which are incredibly [TS]

00:45:28   time-consuming and this was one of the [TS]

00:45:30   big ones that was like in the back of my [TS]

00:45:32   mind is the thing that like is possible [TS]

00:45:34   to do and so now here you know just just [TS]

00:45:37   over halfway through the year the answer [TS]

00:45:39   is yes this is the thing that was [TS]

00:45:41   possible to do and I could see straight [TS]

00:45:44   away some of the things that were on my [TS]

00:45:47   mind about reasons why would want to do [TS]

00:45:49   this and and one of the big ones was [TS]

00:45:51   even though this was a a lot of work to [TS]

00:45:57   get the script done in this amount of [TS]

00:45:59   time [TS]

00:46:00   it was ultimately those still a lot less [TS]

00:46:03   disruptive to my regular working routine [TS]

00:46:07   so I did need some downtime after the [TS]

00:46:13   video went up but it wasn't like when I [TS]

00:46:16   normally put up a video and i feel like [TS]

00:46:18   i have been drained of all my life force [TS]

00:46:21   right and it's like I am now knocking [TS]

00:46:24   almost like you're a week out of my [TS]

00:46:26   schedule before I'm back to being a [TS]

00:46:28   normal person and also a whole bunch of [TS]

00:46:31   knock-on effects of that has just like [TS]

00:46:33   something we need to revisit the whole [TS]

00:46:35   idea of routines again but just being [TS]

00:46:37   aware that every time I upload a video [TS]

00:46:39   it really punches out a whole section of [TS]

00:46:42   my calendar and my schedule my routines [TS]

00:46:45   in a not helpful way and so doing doing [TS]

00:46:49   this video with another person i was [TS]

00:46:50   really aware like okay this was very [TS]

00:46:53   busy this was an unusual amount of work [TS]

00:46:55   time this was a big crunch but I don't [TS]

00:46:57   feel like I've just blasted a hole in my [TS]

00:47:00   calendar I as a result of this and I [TS]

00:47:04   think that like that has an interesting [TS]

00:47:05   impact on the future so i guess i guess [TS]

00:47:10   the answer is i am interested to see [TS]

00:47:12   where this goes but i can't say i have [TS]

00:47:14   super solid specific thoughts on it now [TS]

00:47:18   but but what I do have is a successful [TS]

00:47:20   proof-of-concept and I'm i'm pretty [TS]

00:47:22   happy about that [TS]

00:47:23   if you're not doing the animation of [TS]

00:47:24   illustration do you feel like all of [TS]

00:47:27   your creative bitches will be scratched [TS]

00:47:29   so for me there are certain shows the I [TS]

00:47:33   edit but I can't let go of [TS]

00:47:35   because i like to put might on them like [TS]

00:47:39   the flourishes that I do that I hear you [TS]

00:47:42   know why my little things the things [TS]

00:47:44   that I can't explain to somebody else [TS]

00:47:45   like why I feel like a sound effect [TS]

00:47:47   needs to go here or why I think this [TS]

00:47:49   part needs the government minima you [TS]

00:47:52   know like why that I think that stuff [TS]

00:47:54   should happen that's part of my own [TS]

00:47:56   creative vision I guess which is [TS]

00:48:01   terrible way to say that but this store [TS]

00:48:03   we're gonna break up you're such an [TS]

00:48:04   artiste I know I asked you know podcasts [TS]

00:48:08   as art right right and do you think that [TS]

00:48:11   in doing this in in handy [TS]

00:48:13   over the whole of this part of the the [TS]

00:48:15   video creation do you think that you [TS]

00:48:17   might end up feeling like you're missing [TS]

00:48:19   something [TS]

00:48:21   I don't know that's hard to project in [TS]

00:48:24   the future but again in this world of a [TS]

00:48:26   proof-of-concept one of the things the [TS]

00:48:30   proof of concept stage was giving [TS]

00:48:33   feedback on the storyboards for example [TS]

00:48:37   like before anything starts to get [TS]

00:48:39   animated like here's changes that need [TS]

00:48:40   to be made or you know this this needs [TS]

00:48:43   to be different this needs to be [TS]

00:48:44   different and that was an interesting [TS]

00:48:46   thing to see where it it's the same [TS]

00:48:48   feeling of I don't know why I need or [TS]

00:48:53   want this section to be different but I [TS]

00:48:55   just feel it's better if it's shown this [TS]

00:48:57   way versus that way and i didn't i [TS]

00:49:00   didn't do a ton of that but it was again [TS]

00:49:03   just I think part of the process of [TS]

00:49:05   trying to work with somebody else and [TS]

00:49:07   and getting into the experience of like [TS]

00:49:10   giving a list of changes right seeing [TS]

00:49:13   what comes back seeing seeing how that [TS]

00:49:15   goes and i can see that being just fine [TS]

00:49:18   in the future working on rough [TS]

00:49:20   storyboards with somebody else and doing [TS]

00:49:22   a bunch of feedback in that stage and [TS]

00:49:25   feeling totally fine with that that the [TS]

00:49:27   at the end result with the animations is [TS]

00:49:31   what i want and in lots of little [TS]

00:49:34   details is better than something that I [TS]

00:49:37   could produce on my own so I don't [TS]

00:49:39   necessarily worried that I'm going to [TS]

00:49:40   feel like how I don't have an expression [TS]

00:49:43   for my creative side I'm not too [TS]

00:49:45   concerned about that but maybe I'm wrong [TS]

00:49:47   it's hard to know your future self you [TS]

00:49:49   definitely have a creative flair for [TS]

00:49:52   making your little jokes and stuff that [TS]

00:49:53   you do and I just wonder like can you [TS]

00:49:56   explain that to someone easily [TS]

00:49:58   yeah yeah again there's there's there's [TS]

00:50:02   many ways where we'll have to see it in [TS]

00:50:06   the in the future developing an actual [TS]

00:50:08   process for working together with other [TS]

00:50:11   people as as opposed to just like the [TS]

00:50:12   whole god let's get it up right now and [TS]

00:50:15   I think that that will be part of of [TS]

00:50:17   what this is of when i'm writing a [TS]

00:50:20   script I often like i always say like I [TS]

00:50:22   have a very clear idea in my head [TS]

00:50:24   what it is that I want up on screen so i [TS]

00:50:27   think part of the process in the future [TS]

00:50:29   might be figuring out a way to [TS]

00:50:31   communicate what I think are the most [TS]

00:50:33   important parts of that i like what i am [TS]

00:50:35   saying these words and these words they [TS]

00:50:38   look on paper like they don't work but I [TS]

00:50:40   think they will work if this is on the [TS]

00:50:42   screen when I'm saying them [TS]

00:50:44   yeah yeah like that that is a thing that [TS]

00:50:46   comes up all the time when I'm writing [TS]

00:50:48   is being aware of words that just don't [TS]

00:50:51   work if the right thing isn't on the [TS]

00:50:54   screen so you feel like you have that [TS]

00:50:56   vision when you're writing rather than [TS]

00:50:58   one you're animating yes exactly [TS]

00:51:01   well then that's going to be great for [TS]

00:51:02   you then right because for me like I [TS]

00:51:04   only get some of those thoughts when I'm [TS]

00:51:06   actually hearing the audio go through em [TS]

00:51:08   right I like all this work really great [TS]

00:51:10   here Lou [TS]

00:51:11   so that's when I do it anybody if you're [TS]

00:51:13   seeing it when you're writing then [TS]

00:51:15   you'll still probably going to get the [TS]

00:51:16   majority of that creativity out right [TS]

00:51:19   right [TS]

00:51:20   listening to you talk about this and [TS]

00:51:22   knowing kind of the process that you've [TS]

00:51:24   been through and you know as our [TS]

00:51:26   listeners have heard us go along this i [TS]

00:51:29   mean i'm seeing the output i think the [TS]

00:51:31   future is very bright [TS]

00:51:32   yeah maybe I don't know about my [TS]

00:51:36   feelings just things are different and [TS]

00:51:41   we're just looking back at the [TS]

00:51:43   conversations that we've had over the [TS]

00:51:44   last few months [TS]

00:51:46   Lou what you have here is exactly what [TS]

00:51:50   you are looking for like a base level [TS]

00:51:52   somebody has created a video that looks [TS]

00:51:57   like one of your videos who is maybe [TS]

00:52:00   have even higher quality than some of [TS]

00:52:02   them who and it worked perfectly and [TS]

00:52:06   they've not diverged from you you know [TS]

00:52:08   we haven't got red stick figures like [TS]

00:52:10   fists you know they're not doing [TS]

00:52:12   something crazy all of the additions are [TS]

00:52:14   great speculation time again best thing [TS]

00:52:18   ever you know all of this stuff was work [TS]

00:52:21   and then its output something that not [TS]

00:52:25   only as good as something as we said [TS]

00:52:26   many times you couldn't have done so [TS]

00:52:30   this has been like a net win for the [TS]

00:52:31   business [TS]

00:52:32   Yeah Yeah right I definitely think so i [TS]

00:52:35   definitely think so [TS]

00:52:36   so I think that [TS]

00:52:38   what I don't know if any in a year from [TS]

00:52:40   now i will exactly be in this position [TS]

00:52:42   but going forward I would like ideally [TS]

00:52:46   to do as little of the animation is [TS]

00:52:49   possible for for all of the various [TS]

00:52:51   reasons we have discussed in previous [TS]

00:52:52   shows and it seems to me that there is a [TS]

00:52:55   way to do that now I that is real so I [TS]

00:53:01   am I am looking forward to seeing how [TS]

00:53:04   this goes [TS]

00:53:04   I feel like you're on the plane this [TS]

00:53:06   yeah i mean that you might just want to [TS]

00:53:09   be conservative about it but this just [TS]

00:53:12   seems like perfect that you've done it [TS]

00:53:14   you know and it's worked and now you are [TS]

00:53:20   able to do more than you ever been able [TS]

00:53:21   to do before like this just seems like a [TS]

00:53:23   absolute unbridled victory [TS]

00:53:27   I'm a cautious person i know you are i [TS]

00:53:30   mean that's all this is [TS]

00:53:31   ok i just can't believe how you're not [TS]

00:53:33   like you know running down the road [TS]

00:53:35   clicking your heels like this is exactly [TS]

00:53:38   what you're looking for [TS]

00:53:41   first try the right this is amazing i'm [TS]

00:53:45   very excited for you I'm I'm glad you're [TS]

00:53:48   very excited for me i have also happy [TS]

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00:55:44   them so in what will be regarded as a [TS]

00:55:47   classic cortex moment from the last [TS]

00:55:49   episode where you got very upset about [TS]

00:55:52   Evernote it has brought people out in [TS]

00:55:55   their droves to recommend other services [TS]

00:55:58   to you [TS]

00:55:59   yeah as a replacement for Evernote yeah [TS]

00:56:02   so I kind of what first of our you [TS]

00:56:05   totally ditching it like a have you made [TS]

00:56:07   the decision is it dead 270 gone [TS]

00:56:10   I mean like look here's the short answer [TS]

00:56:15   to this is no right I i spent after that [TS]

00:56:19   episode a a a long frustrating weekend [TS]

00:56:22   trying my darndest to find a solution to [TS]

00:56:26   this and that the closest thing by far [TS]

00:56:33   is one note and i was like i am [TS]

00:56:36   determined to make one note work but [TS]

00:56:39   there are a few things that that are [TS]

00:56:41   just total deal-breakers about the way [TS]

00:56:43   one networks I i think that Evernote is [TS]

00:56:46   really just a tool that sits at a unique [TS]

00:56:49   place that they're there really isn't [TS]

00:56:51   anything else that does all of the [TS]

00:56:53   things that it does it's just deeply [TS]

00:56:57   unfortunate that Evernote is at a [TS]

00:57:00   company that I don't feel like I can [TS]

00:57:01   trust very much [TS]

00:57:03   and that does not do a great job with [TS]

00:57:07   the ipad implementation of their app and [TS]

00:57:11   has dumped limits and so the the end [TS]

00:57:15   result of what it is that I'm going to [TS]

00:57:16   do so far is since there is nothing that [TS]

00:57:19   i can switch to right now and since this [TS]

00:57:22   is still a tool that I need to keep [TS]

00:57:24   using a bunch of people very helpfully [TS]

00:57:27   pointed out that there are ways to try [TS]

00:57:29   to get around these Evernote limitations [TS]

00:57:31   by using tags so instead of having [TS]

00:57:36   individual notebooks for things you can [TS]

00:57:37   instead tag all of your notes and that [TS]

00:57:42   there is some ridiculous limit on the [TS]

00:57:44   number of tags that was like 10,000 or [TS]

00:57:47   hundred thousand tag they don't remember [TS]

00:57:49   exactly but the limit is very very high [TS]

00:57:51   so I can kick the can down the road to [TS]

00:57:54   10 years from now gray who has to worry [TS]

00:57:56   about what happens when he runs up [TS]

00:57:58   against the 10,000 tag limit and [TS]

00:58:00   Evernote and has never know it's a [TS]

00:58:02   100-year company right so you're going [TS]

00:58:04   to be fine [TS]

00:58:05   that's right they'll definitely be [TS]

00:58:07   around in 10 years and tags can be [TS]

00:58:09   arranged in a hierarchical manner which [TS]

00:58:12   I was not aware of because it's not [TS]

00:58:15   something that you can do on the ipad [TS]

00:58:17   it's only thing that you can do on the [TS]

00:58:20   desktop version turns out [TS]

00:58:22   same with Apple notes you can have [TS]

00:58:25   nested folders we were told but only on [TS]

00:58:27   OSN you can set them up and then you can [TS]

00:58:29   view them on iOS em that kind of stuff [TS]

00:58:32   always makes me nervous when the the [TS]

00:58:35   feature click so i can nest the tags on [TS]

00:58:38   the desktop but I can't do it on iOS [TS]

00:58:41   like it got in the old version but when [TS]

00:58:43   they decided to make the new touch [TS]

00:58:45   version they decided not to put it in [TS]

00:58:46   Bryon um yeah which doesn't make me feel [TS]

00:58:49   super confident about that as well but [TS]

00:58:53   it's really it's really just a result of [TS]

00:58:54   I i think i've often happens with tools [TS]

00:59:00   that people use professionally and [TS]

00:59:02   computer tools in general that you can [TS]

00:59:04   end up feeling kind of trapped by a tool [TS]

00:59:06   that you rely upon that there's there's [TS]

00:59:09   no good way to move and whatever know [TS]

00:59:13   there's always just some deal-breaking [TS]

00:59:14   feature of trying to move to [TS]

00:59:16   to another system like I'll definitely [TS]

00:59:19   give a pretty good recommendation to [TS]

00:59:21   google drive as well as an alternative [TS]

00:59:24   way to try to do this kind of thing [TS]

00:59:26   yeah a few people wrote in about this it [TS]

00:59:28   seems like it has a lot of the features [TS]

00:59:30   so you can upload files searchable to do [TS]

00:59:33   OCR it has hierarchical folders it works [TS]

00:59:37   on all devices is no limits [TS]

00:59:39   why is Google Drive not like an obvious [TS]

00:59:42   replacement [TS]

00:59:43   yeah I played around with it it's not as [TS]

00:59:46   good as Evernote as and getting stuff [TS]

00:59:48   into it so I could totally chokes on a [TS]

00:59:51   thing that I do all the time which is I [TS]

00:59:52   would like to save this webpage into [TS]

00:59:55   Google Drive get it doesn't do the thing [TS]

00:59:58   where Evernote kind of grabbed [TS]

00:59:58   where Evernote kind of grabbed [TS]

01:00:00   there's a whole HTML copy of the webpage [TS]

01:00:01   then the whole thing is searchable does [TS]

01:00:03   it do that on iOS to the web clipping [TS]

01:00:05   Evernote yeah does interesting i think [TS]

01:00:08   they're cheating it in some way but it [TS]

01:00:09   definitely it does do it i'm sure that [TS]

01:00:11   like I mean this is an annoying thing [TS]

01:00:12   that you could use other applications to [TS]

01:00:14   get that stuff into google drive right [TS]

01:00:17   is that he's like that like there's [TS]

01:00:18   totally ways to try to think about doing [TS]

01:00:20   this but one of the other things that is [TS]

01:00:23   frustrating is the problem of how do i [TS]

01:00:26   get all of my stuff out of Evernote [TS]

01:00:28   right now is one of these things where I [TS]

01:00:32   don't know if you ever mention on the [TS]

01:00:32   podcast before but i have always been [TS]

01:00:34   really annoyed at evernotes claims of [TS]

01:00:37   data portability with her like oh don't [TS]

01:00:38   worry you can export your data anytime [TS]

01:00:41   you want [TS]

01:00:42   it's super easy all you have to do is [TS]

01:00:45   select one notebook at a time [TS]

01:00:47   export that one notebook and you will [TS]

01:00:50   get a file on your desktop which is some [TS]

01:00:53   custom xml file that we have written [TS]

01:00:56   that essentially nothing else can read [TS]

01:00:59   like but we've exported your data like [TS]

01:01:01   not in any way that i find useful [TS]

01:01:03   Evernote em but when I think of I would [TS]

01:01:06   love to get all my data out of Evernote [TS]

01:01:08   what I want is a way to say export the [TS]

01:01:10   whole database and what you would give [TS]

01:01:12   me is a series of nested folders with [TS]

01:01:16   rich text documents and images in them [TS]

01:01:19   but you don't do that [TS]

01:01:21   exporting your data into proprietary [TS]

01:01:23   format that can only be reliably read by [TS]

01:01:25   your own application is not dr. X both [TS]

01:01:29   just moving it exactly it's it's it's [TS]

01:01:32   like making a backup and they also do it [TS]

01:01:34   is really inconvenient way but it has [TS]

01:01:35   always bothered me this kind of Evernote [TS]

01:01:37   championing of like I don't worry you [TS]

01:01:38   can leave anytime you want but I've [TS]

01:01:42   always known that that's not a [TS]

01:01:43   case-by-case a hard drive all your stuff [TS]

01:01:45   but it's possible protected and only we [TS]

01:01:47   know the password [TS]

01:01:48   yeah and it's like yes in theory all of [TS]

01:01:50   the data is there okay i guess i guess i [TS]

01:01:53   could hire someone to write a custom xml [TS]

01:01:56   parser for like this this starts getting [TS]

01:01:59   into crazy the stuff that exists as well [TS]

01:02:01   like there are things that can take the [TS]

01:02:03   Avenue de turn turn into something else [TS]

01:02:05   who but you just know it's never gonna [TS]

01:02:09   be as you put it in [TS]

01:02:10   yeah exactly it's that you just you have [TS]

01:02:12   no idea [TS]

01:02:13   and the problem with this is as well [TS]

01:02:15   that why do I feel stuck with Evernote [TS]

01:02:17   is because Evernote is legitimately [TS]

01:02:19   serving the function of this external [TS]

01:02:21   brain and so the way it works is it is [TS]

01:02:25   not possible for me to really export and [TS]

01:02:27   import into something else and feel [TS]

01:02:29   super confident that everything is [TS]

01:02:31   actually arrived because there's no way [TS]

01:02:33   for me to be able to check all of the [TS]

01:02:35   stuff that i have put in it and you only [TS]

01:02:37   find out it's gone wrong at the time you [TS]

01:02:39   need it exactly right is no no good [TS]

01:02:43   yeah and as I i think i said in the last [TS]

01:02:45   show I have something on the order of [TS]

01:02:46   3,000 notes because it's a lot of notes [TS]

01:02:49   to move and even some of the other [TS]

01:02:52   things that were trying like they [TS]

01:02:53   totally choked trying to import even you [TS]

01:02:57   know much smaller numbers than that and [TS]

01:02:58   so I think it's just it's interesting i [TS]

01:03:00   will still say for anybody who is [TS]

01:03:02   starting a fresh right at looking into [TS]

01:03:08   trying to build some kind of external [TS]

01:03:09   brain i would probably recommend Google [TS]

01:03:12   Drive or one note and then you pick [TS]

01:03:14   between those two based on your own [TS]

01:03:16   personal preferences can I throw dropbox [TS]

01:03:19   in the mix here [TS]

01:03:20   I mean I know it doesn't have the OCR [TS]

01:03:23   stuff but dropbox is potentially an [TS]

01:03:26   infinitely better service because the [TS]

01:03:28   ultimately it's just file storage [TS]

01:03:30   because even Google Drive like it can do [TS]

01:03:34   some weird stuff of files who you know I [TS]

01:03:36   give you decided that I was part my [TS]

01:03:38   google Drive system i'm going to save [TS]

01:03:40   some things into a google doc it's not [TS]

01:03:42   what it downloads is not really a [TS]

01:03:45   document that you can use glue is a [TS]

01:03:47   google drive document like that the good [TS]

01:03:49   thing about things going into the [TS]

01:03:50   service like Dropbox is it all it is [TS]

01:03:53   it's just storage of files that you can [TS]

01:03:56   then use in our application super easy [TS]

01:03:58   yeah if you can give up OCR and [TS]

01:04:02   searching within documents my [TS]

01:04:05   recommendation would be dropbox unless [TS]

01:04:07   there are applications that can just [TS]

01:04:09   take a document and OCR on-the-fly yeah [TS]

01:04:13   I also looked into a whole bunch of this [TS]

01:04:15   i was playing around with creating like [TS]

01:04:19   a little workflow in the workflow app to [TS]

01:04:22   try to take a document OCR it and then [TS]

01:04:24   push it into another service but this [TS]

01:04:26   starts getting into [TS]

01:04:27   you again like the the use case for me [TS]

01:04:30   with Evernote is very often like oh [TS]

01:04:31   here's the thing that might be [TS]

01:04:32   interesting i just want to quickly save [TS]

01:04:34   it right what I don't want to do is to [TS]

01:04:37   have a little barrier of yeah like I'm [TS]

01:04:39   invoking a thing like I'm I don't want [TS]

01:04:41   to turn saving stuff into a conscious [TS]

01:04:44   decision do I want to get out of the [TS]

01:04:46   flow of what I'm working on right now [TS]

01:04:48   right i just want to press a button and [TS]

01:04:50   have it go [TS]

01:04:51   this is when another device can help you [TS]

01:04:55   like if you had like a server that could [TS]

01:04:58   process that stuff for you in the [TS]

01:05:01   background right so you could set up [TS]

01:05:03   something that performs a bunch of rules [TS]

01:05:05   and but no all you're doing is just [TS]

01:05:08   saving it to a folder but in the [TS]

01:05:10   background there's something else [TS]

01:05:11   working on it does it again as an [TS]

01:05:14   elegant that is not part of the [TS]

01:05:16   multipath lifestyle to have this mac [TS]

01:05:17   mini that's over in the corner doing [TS]

01:05:19   something but it would give you what you [TS]

01:05:21   want it [TS]

01:05:21   oh yeah and I i have done crazy stuff [TS]

01:05:23   like this before of having dropbox [TS]

01:05:26   folders that say hazel is watching and [TS]

01:05:29   then hazel invoke certain rules [TS]

01:05:31   depending on what happens in there like [TS]

01:05:32   I have I have done all of this stuff but [TS]

01:05:35   I'm am ultimately like what I'm trying [TS]

01:05:37   to not do is ending up building my own [TS]

01:05:39   house of cards that's going to collapse [TS]

01:05:41   someday because I'm really I just I'm [TS]

01:05:45   trying to have a thing be simple and it [TS]

01:05:47   and even if I build my own crazy system [TS]

01:05:49   it still doesn't get around the problem [TS]

01:05:51   of how do i get everything out of [TS]

01:05:52   Evernote in a way that is reasonable to [TS]

01:05:54   them import into this new system [TS]

01:05:55   oh yeah all of this stuff that I'm [TS]

01:05:57   suggesting is if you starting fresh [TS]

01:06:00   yeah yeah if if you're starting a fresh [TS]

01:06:02   eye I think yeahit's i would suggest [TS]

01:06:06   someone uses OneNote Google Drive or [TS]

01:06:09   Dropbox if you're willing to give up a [TS]

01:06:10   couple of features and I think those are [TS]

01:06:12   those are all totally reasonable [TS]

01:06:13   solutions but it's just like what do i [TS]

01:06:17   do what do I do now it's like I'm even [TS]

01:06:19   running like these crazy ideas in my [TS]

01:06:21   head like what if I started a software [TS]

01:06:23   company to make my own effort note like [TS]

01:06:26   could I do that as like know if that do [TS]

01:06:28   that's you know what that is not an [TS]

01:06:30   easier thing to do [TS]

01:06:31   however this is not my topic list for [TS]

01:06:33   some point in the family [TS]

01:06:35   because so many of your problems will be [TS]

01:06:37   solved [TS]

01:06:38   yeah but it's like I i started i started [TS]

01:06:42   wandering down that path they're like [TS]

01:06:43   hey dude do you remember the time you [TS]

01:06:45   thought maybe i should start a clothing [TS]

01:06:47   manufacturing company but in order to [TS]

01:06:50   get the t-shirt that I want [TS]

01:06:51   it's like you know this is not the [TS]

01:06:53   solution to these problems is not i [TS]

01:06:55   could reinvent the wheel so it it's like [TS]

01:06:58   a question of do I want to start like a [TS]

01:07:01   Evernote competitor vs do I want to just [TS]

01:07:04   keep using Evernote try to make it work [TS]

01:07:07   with tags kick the can down a number of [TS]

01:07:11   years hopefully assuming Evernote stays [TS]

01:07:13   in business and and do that and it's [TS]

01:07:15   like you know you know what this feels [TS]

01:07:19   like to me it feels like when you [TS]

01:07:21   occasionally hear about how some company [TS]

01:07:24   somewhere is still has like a punch card [TS]

01:07:26   system that's in the basement of of [TS]

01:07:29   their offices that the whole company [TS]

01:07:30   relies upon and using Evernote to me [TS]

01:07:35   feels like this it feels like this [TS]

01:07:37   legacy thing that I don't like but there [TS]

01:07:41   is no optimal move to get rid of it so [TS]

01:07:43   i'm going to end up continuing using it [TS]

01:07:45   and I'm going to keep just liking it but [TS]

01:07:47   this is precisely why companies do this [TS]

01:07:50   kind of thing or governments do this [TS]

01:07:52   kind of thing where they end up using [TS]

01:07:53   something that's incredibly out of date [TS]

01:07:55   and awkward like and nobody likes it but [TS]

01:07:58   the answer of what is the move to make [TS]

01:08:02   that is an optimal move to switch away [TS]

01:08:05   from this thing [TS]

01:08:06   the answer is there is no move so we're [TS]

01:08:08   going to keep using this thing forever [TS]

01:08:10   and that the punch card example I don't [TS]

01:08:12   even mean that as a joke there are there [TS]

01:08:14   are companies that still manufacture [TS]

01:08:16   brand-new punch cards because there are [TS]

01:08:18   entities out there that require them [TS]

01:08:20   like this is this is actually a thing [TS]

01:08:22   that still exists in the world you need [TS]

01:08:24   to see what howl of banks around [TS]

01:08:26   oh yeah thanks must have the most crazy [TS]

01:08:28   old softest who want who wants to be the [TS]

01:08:31   guy who's like let's run a software [TS]

01:08:33   update on the banking industry nice [TS]

01:08:35   nobody nobody wants to do that [TS]

01:08:39   nope so you have you have stuff that is [TS]

01:08:41   literally from the sixties and seventies [TS]

01:08:43   running the banking industry behind the [TS]

01:08:45   scenes because it's like everybody does [TS]

01:08:47   the exact same cost [TS]

01:08:48   benefit calculation of what are we going [TS]

01:08:50   to change to nothing is what we're going [TS]

01:08:52   to change that we're just gonna we're [TS]

01:08:53   going to keep making this old thing work [TS]

01:08:55   even if it's horrific me awkward and so [TS]

01:08:58   there are a few pieces of software in my [TS]

01:09:01   life that are like that and I feel like [TS]

01:09:02   maybe Evernote is the absolute apex of [TS]

01:09:05   this for me in terms of what piece of [TS]

01:09:08   software do I use the most [TS]

01:09:12   but I'm also perhaps the unhappiest with [TS]

01:09:14   and I think maybe Evernote wins that [TS]

01:09:17   calculation of all of the things that i [TS]

01:09:19   use so little sticker there forever note [TS]

01:09:22   i want to just mention something about [TS]

01:09:24   Apple notes as a means to follow up [TS]

01:09:27   I reference that you could take your [TS]

01:09:29   Evernote database and put it into apple [TS]

01:09:31   notes right that is that is a feature [TS]

01:09:33   that is officially supported you have [TS]

01:09:34   quite a few listeners wrote in to say [TS]

01:09:36   that they've put in the region of 2,000 [TS]

01:09:39   say notes from Evernote into apple notes [TS]

01:09:42   and apple notes becomes terrifically [TS]

01:09:45   unstable and unresponsive around that [TS]

01:09:47   kind of level [TS]

01:09:48   yeah I'm not surprised because I don't [TS]

01:09:51   think apples really imagining that [TS]

01:09:52   anybody's using it in that use case of [TS]

01:09:54   having two thousand notes in there I [TS]

01:09:55   can't imagine anybody was thinking that [TS]

01:09:58   that's that's going to be what what [TS]

01:09:59   happens with Apple notes i hope that [TS]

01:10:01   they changed that though because [TS]

01:10:03   eventually lots of people will get to [TS]

01:10:05   that limit [TS]

01:10:06   yeah I mean I apple just dealing with [TS]

01:10:09   the crazy law of large numbers right [TS]

01:10:11   they have so many people using it that [TS]

01:10:12   yes they are going to have some users at [TS]

01:10:14   the edge case of of that but yes i'm not [TS]

01:10:17   surprised to hear that Apple its kind of [TS]

01:10:18   chokes on Evernote sighs databases if it [TS]

01:10:23   feels kind of sad to me that that's [TS]

01:10:26   because it is this like we've come to [TS]

01:10:28   feel like we're at the end of this topic [TS]

01:10:30   and there's no answer the answer is i'm [TS]

01:10:32   stuck and that's that [TS]

01:10:34   I don't feel as how we usually do things [TS]

01:10:35   right we're all about optimizing it [TS]

01:10:38   I remember everything but no no here we [TS]

01:10:40   are I mean you're stuck [TS]

01:10:41   I'm not stuck i am pretty confident that [TS]

01:10:44   after my next trip i will be cancelling [TS]

01:10:46   moving account because i'm very [TS]

01:10:48   confident I have everything that I need [TS]

01:10:50   in my Apple notes right now who have [TS]

01:10:53   been saving PDS in their stuff and I've [TS]

01:10:55   been thought it's been fantastic who so [TS]

01:10:58   i'm just gonna make the trip if it works [TS]

01:11:00   as well as I hope it will then I'm [TS]

01:11:01   gonna be moving away completely from [TS]

01:11:03   other not because it I've now been able [TS]

01:11:05   to replace the only thing that it does [TS]

01:11:06   to me Lou [TS]

01:11:08   there are many solutions for you but [TS]

01:11:10   none of them a better [TS]

01:11:11   unfortunately yeah that's why wait when [TS]

01:11:13   you say oh it's you know that this feels [TS]

01:11:16   like a is attending I am I am frustrated [TS]

01:11:20   but I feel like the the core of this [TS]

01:11:23   decision like with so many things is [TS]

01:11:25   about optimization and and so the answer [TS]

01:11:28   to what is the optimal move the optimal [TS]

01:11:30   move is to stay put with Evernote so the [TS]

01:11:32   winning move is not playing something [TS]

01:11:34   yes yes sort of but not really [TS]

01:11:36   consistent because it'll pay never know [TS]

01:11:38   every month [TS]

01:11:39   okay so it's not exactly like you're [TS]

01:11:41   stepping aside from the thing but that's [TS]

01:11:43   that's just what that's just what [TS]

01:11:45   happens sometimes my only real concern [TS]

01:11:48   is that I I do worry about the financial [TS]

01:11:51   viability of Evernote that enough people [TS]

01:11:54   cancelling subscriptions combined with a [TS]

01:11:56   hold of their global offices and all of [TS]

01:11:58   their people who do who knows what that [TS]

01:12:01   that the company might just implode upon [TS]

01:12:03   itself but I feel like okay well if and [TS]

01:12:06   when Evernote implode upon itself that [TS]

01:12:09   then shifts the calculus of what is the [TS]

01:12:11   optimal move and then the optimal move [TS]

01:12:14   is well you just you know you got to do [TS]

01:12:16   something and you have to pick the least [TS]

01:12:17   the least bad option and so that that [TS]

01:12:21   day that day is the day that i will move [TS]

01:12:23   but for now yeah just sticking with [TS]

01:12:28   Evernote and having really positive [TS]

01:12:31   feelings with that elephant icon so once [TS]

01:12:35   you have decided that you want to be the [TS]

01:12:37   person to create the next amazing [TS]

01:12:39   application or service that stores [TS]

01:12:41   everybody's text or maybe all want to be [TS]

01:12:44   the first person that comes up with a [TS]

01:12:46   website based completely around brexit [TS]

01:12:48   no matter what it is you need to go to [TS]

01:12:50   hover because with however you will be [TS]

01:12:53   able to get the domain name that you [TS]

01:12:55   need super easily ridiculously easily in [TS]

01:12:59   fact and they're going to have all of [TS]

01:13:01   the extensions that you're looking for i [TS]

01:13:03   have over 400 domain extensions you can [TS]

01:13:05   end your domain we've all the classics [TS]

01:13:07   of their dot-com dotnet co-cio they're [TS]

01:13:10   all there but maybe you have something [TS]

01:13:12   more fun that you're doing maybe you [TS]

01:13:13   want to add design or [TS]

01:13:15   dot tech may be looking for that quirky [TS]

01:13:17   extension like dark ninja or maybe just [TS]

01:13:19   set up a store and you want to start got [TS]

01:13:21   store [TS]

01:13:21   no matter what it is whether you want to [TS]

01:13:23   create Evercore dotnet they're all going [TS]

01:13:25   to be there with other and then once you [TS]

01:13:27   find that domain you can use however [TS]

01:13:28   connect to set up your domain [TS]

01:13:30   automatically with just a few clicks no [TS]

01:13:32   more digging through help articles and [TS]

01:13:34   copy and pasting stuff to get your [TS]

01:13:36   domain working find the perfect domain [TS]

01:13:38   name for your idea go to Harvard calm [TS]

01:13:40   and use the promo code court xmas cor t [TS]

01:13:43   DX is a trek out to save ten percent of [TS]

01:13:47   your first purchase thank you so much to [TS]

01:13:49   hover for their support of this show and [TS]

01:13:51   really have been so many weeks ago we [TS]

01:13:54   spoke about BR all and i've been [TS]

01:13:56   collecting up just a few bits of [TS]

01:13:57   follow-up that i wanted to mention [TS]

01:13:59   something about this so you remember of [TS]

01:14:02   course as many people have the way that [TS]

01:14:04   we describe ER was like dropping acid or [TS]

01:14:07   at least you did and then I was totally [TS]

01:14:09   on board the idea a guy called quantum [TS]

01:14:12   tunneling davon the reddit has confirmed [TS]

01:14:14   this for us and as as dave says somebody [TS]

01:14:17   who has dropped acid a few times i agree [TS]

01:14:19   that the analogy is quite apt I now want [TS]

01:14:22   to try VAR it sounds like it tickles a [TS]

01:14:24   few of the same spots in the brain is [TS]

01:14:26   acid so you did it congratulations for [TS]

01:14:31   someone who does asset a group of my [TS]

01:14:32   analogy that it was like dropping acid [TS]

01:14:34   yeah which is which is great because [TS]

01:14:36   I've never dropped acid so just reaching [TS]

01:14:38   for something and yes just just trying [TS]

01:14:41   to get like how is it to explain a thing [TS]

01:14:43   when you have certain experiences you [TS]

01:14:46   just can't explain them to someone who [TS]

01:14:48   hasn't had those experiences so I'm uh [TS]

01:14:51   I'm glad that someone is an agreement on [TS]

01:14:54   that if you moved forward with VR at all [TS]

01:14:56   have you made any purchases i actually i [TS]

01:15:00   have not moved forward mainly because [TS]

01:15:02   other things have just occupied my [TS]

01:15:04   attention and this is one of these this [TS]

01:15:08   is one of these things where I feel like [TS]

01:15:11   I need to I need to sit down and [TS]

01:15:16   seriously figure out how this is going [TS]

01:15:18   to work this this is not a quick like [TS]

01:15:20   ooh let me just add to cart right check [TS]

01:15:23   out [TS]

01:15:23   vr del and have it delivered to the [TS]

01:15:26   house like this is a big thing about [TS]

01:15:28   where is it going to go exactly what [TS]

01:15:30   computer do I need what equipment am I [TS]

01:15:31   going to get this is the thing where I [TS]

01:15:33   need to sit down and spend an afternoon [TS]

01:15:34   figuring out and I just haven't been [TS]

01:15:36   able to have that afternoon and plus as [TS]

01:15:38   we are recording right now I am shortly [TS]

01:15:40   leaving for America in just a couple of [TS]

01:15:42   days and so anything that would be [TS]

01:15:45   shipped would just be sitting here for [TS]

01:15:47   like a month [TS]

01:15:48   untouched as i'm out of the country so i [TS]

01:15:50   feel like i have mentally postpone this [TS]

01:15:53   until I get back from America for the [TS]

01:15:56   final time from the for the end of the [TS]

01:15:57   summer [TS]

01:15:58   yeah i'm still waiting on the [TS]

01:16:01   PlayStation VR I've already pre-ordered [TS]

01:16:03   that i already have fifty percent of the [TS]

01:16:05   equipment actually back at twenty-five [TS]

01:16:08   percent of the equipment that [TS]

01:16:09   realization and it's but it's Tony's a [TS]

01:16:11   couple of additions so I'm just going to [TS]

01:16:13   wait for that because if it gives me as [TS]

01:16:16   i said on the show if it gives me at [TS]

01:16:19   least most of the experience that the [TS]

01:16:21   oculus did then i'll be more than happy [TS]

01:16:23   because i won't have to to put another [TS]

01:16:25   big spinning box in my house live with a [TS]

01:16:29   big land a big power supply and all that [TS]

01:16:31   stuff doesn't want to do it so i'll be [TS]

01:16:32   happy if i can just hook up to my [TS]

01:16:34   playstation and enjoy your that way so [TS]

01:16:36   we'll see [TS]

01:16:37   however something that i have noticed in [TS]

01:16:40   the comments on YouTube and in the [TS]

01:16:42   comments on reddit little is that the ER [TS]

01:16:45   console wars have begun [TS]

01:16:47   ok there are affecting their oh this [TS]

01:16:50   this was a thing that just simply did [TS]

01:16:53   not occur to me when we recorded to put [TS]

01:16:55   up the episodes and right but in [TS]

01:16:57   retrospect seems incredibly obvious that [TS]

01:17:01   there's like just as in all human [TS]

01:17:03   endeavors the tribal lines form [TS]

01:17:06   immediately right so it's a paper is an [TS]

01:17:09   enormous number of comments about [TS]

01:17:11   various competing vr systems and why [TS]

01:17:14   they are obviously superior and why this [TS]

01:17:16   is like here we go like it's Sega and [TS]

01:17:19   Nintendo all over her again and [TS]

01:17:22   basically everybody was saying to us [TS]

01:17:24   that the vibe was better who I have some [TS]

01:17:28   counter to this argument again having [TS]

01:17:31   not tried the vibe is that most people [TS]

01:17:33   most people have tried the oculus [TS]

01:17:35   without the touch controls because [TS]

01:17:36   they're not available right and so many [TS]

01:17:39   people say that the HTC vive [TS]

01:17:41   superior because of the touch [TS]

01:17:43   controllers as well as the room sensors [TS]

01:17:46   that they have em so there's like the [TS]

01:17:49   double part of it so again it might be [TS]

01:17:52   that combination of both makes it better [TS]

01:17:54   I don't really have a space where I [TS]

01:17:56   could set up by HTC vive in my home so [TS]

01:17:58   that is a black mark against survive [TS]

01:18:00   mm I don't know as well like Facebook [TS]

01:18:03   they took us and let's play this stuff [TS]

01:18:06   Lou I'm not seeing HTC to it right where [TS]

01:18:10   are they now that is that that's what's [TS]

01:18:12   happening here Mike [TS]

01:18:14   that's a mark for me you know that is so [TS]

01:18:19   easily bribed you are [TS]

01:18:22   hey you know it's it's a it's a point [TS]

01:18:25   right in the corner for her to pick up [TS]

01:18:27   another thing that I really liked was [TS]

01:18:29   people saying that the vibe was better [TS]

01:18:31   because facebook was evil and like [TS]

01:18:33   locking down the platform and making [TS]

01:18:36   exclusives for games and like nintendo [TS]

01:18:39   and sega man like what you notice is [TS]

01:18:41   this is same as playstation microsoft [TS]

01:18:43   right now it's all about console [TS]

01:18:44   exclusives this is how the industry [TS]

01:18:46   works and as I say I don't care Facebook [TS]

01:18:49   an evil they're nice burritos we had a [TS]

01:18:51   really great burritos on the catalysts [TS]

01:18:53   that day so you know I have no [TS]

01:18:55   complaints [TS]

01:18:56   yeah they had fantastic food and and it [TS]

01:19:00   is also it is also funny when some of [TS]

01:19:01   the old locking down the platform [TS]

01:19:03   I as someone who grew up with Nintendo [TS]

01:19:05   find that find that argument entirely [TS]

01:19:08   unmoving looks like i don't care classes [TS]

01:19:11   everything is amazing [TS]

01:19:13   I I care if the games are good i care of [TS]

01:19:15   the hardware is is great like gaming [TS]

01:19:18   platforms are kind of inherently [TS]

01:19:20   exclusive things i just i'm not i'm not [TS]

01:19:25   convinced by that as as an argument so [TS]

01:19:27   yeah I I kind of agree with that i may [TS]

01:19:31   have the chance to try out an HTC vive [TS]

01:19:35   between now and when I might be making a [TS]

01:19:38   decision about what to purchase well [TS]

01:19:40   look at this now i will be curious to [TS]

01:19:45   see what that experience is like i'll be [TS]

01:19:47   curious to look forward to your report [TS]

01:19:51   gray at [TS]

01:19:52   I'll let you know Mike please please [TS]

01:19:58   please do so I I'm i'll be curious to [TS]

01:20:01   see what it also does it also does have [TS]

01:20:03   the problems you said like I said living [TS]

01:20:04   in London I don't have a room that is [TS]

01:20:07   big enough to do any of this kind of [TS]

01:20:09   stuff in there's just there's just no [TS]

01:20:10   space as well like I know that I've move [TS]

01:20:13   around when I was wearing the oculus [TS]

01:20:14   like I know that happened but I can [TS]

01:20:17   maybe over time learn to not move around [TS]

01:20:19   but part of what makes survive great is [TS]

01:20:21   the fact that you're supposed to move [TS]

01:20:22   around right i just don't have that [TS]

01:20:24   space [TS]

01:20:26   yeah i mean i am imagining that an [TS]

01:20:28   enormous number of the actual vr stuff [TS]

01:20:31   that i will be doing is centered around [TS]

01:20:33   the notion of sitting on a couch right [TS]

01:20:36   and then and doing we are in that way [TS]

01:20:38   and so the the extra salesmanship of you [TS]

01:20:42   can move around with an HTC vive is not [TS]

01:20:44   appealing to me because I have nowhere [TS]

01:20:46   to move around because i live in the [TS]

01:20:48   center of the city i was doing some [TS]

01:20:49   thinking about VR and my thoughts let me [TS]

01:20:53   back to our old friend American Truck [TS]

01:20:56   Simulator and I was thinking to myself [TS]

01:20:57   how much fun it would be to play truck [TS]

01:21:01   simulator VR headset on [TS]

01:21:03   well I mean this is a perfect sitting on [TS]

01:21:06   the couch VR experience like even wanted [TS]

01:21:10   like the wheel and stuff [TS]

01:21:11   can you imagine a wheel pedals and abby [TS]

01:21:13   i had set you like turn around look out [TS]

01:21:15   the window look in the mirrors man it [TS]

01:21:17   would be amazing [TS]

01:21:19   yeah by far in a way that was actually [TS]

01:21:22   one of the things i was thinking about [TS]

01:21:23   after we had our VR experiences just me [TS]

01:21:26   and you that right like we're the only [TS]

01:21:28   ones i did really i didn't really keep [TS]

01:21:32   thinking about that of like man we are [TS]

01:21:35   trucking's canopy amazing act like i [TS]

01:21:37   can't wait to do vr trucking and it is [TS]

01:21:40   also a situation like this would work [TS]

01:21:42   perfectly in my house sitting around [TS]

01:21:44   sitting down I can't move anyway is [TS]

01:21:47   there's nowhere to go and then if i end [TS]

01:21:50   up buying a pc for my VR equipment [TS]

01:21:55   well guess what now all of those wheels [TS]

01:21:57   and pedals stuff that doesn't work with [TS]

01:21:59   my back trying to learn with bc i don't [TS]

01:22:02   know why you haven't done this already [TS]

01:22:04   been out [TS]

01:22:05   it's like it's the perfect reason to buy [TS]

01:22:08   the wheel you one [TS]

01:22:11   yes that's the big excuse it's like I [TS]

01:22:14   would like to buy this wheel so I have [TS]

01:22:16   to spend several thousand dollars find a [TS]

01:22:18   new pc and behind well you've been close [TS]

01:22:21   to that just because of the right and [TS]

01:22:24   now there's two reasons but love a lot [TS]

01:22:27   of the PlayStation stuff a lot of the [TS]

01:22:29   stuff that they're showing off is [TS]

01:22:30   focused around like just sitting down [TS]

01:22:32   with a playstation controller and the [TS]

01:22:34   screen is in the VR headset and they're [TS]

01:22:37   also promoting it like non VR games you [TS]

01:22:39   can play them like that and I think [TS]

01:22:41   that's really cool i can assess its like [TS]

01:22:42   a cinema screen in front of your face [TS]

01:22:44   then I'm looking forward to playing [TS]

01:22:46   games like that I think it'll be fun [TS]

01:22:49   just and just a different way to [TS]

01:22:51   experience them [TS]

01:22:52   yeah I could totally see that again this [TS]

01:22:53   is where I just I i have had essentially [TS]

01:22:56   no console experience since the super [TS]

01:23:01   nintendo like I have been just a [TS]

01:23:02   computer game player since then it's [TS]

01:23:04   like I just I don't have a good sense of [TS]

01:23:06   like what is a playstation capable of [TS]

01:23:08   what could you do with it but it does it [TS]

01:23:09   does seem like it's an interesting [TS]

01:23:10   option to consider as an alternative and [TS]

01:23:13   and yes that that whole idea of even if [TS]

01:23:16   it's not a genuine VR experience it [TS]

01:23:18   might be really nice to just be able to [TS]

01:23:20   play the equivalent of I i have just [TS]

01:23:24   like an I max screen virtually in front [TS]

01:23:26   of me upon which i'm playing just a [TS]

01:23:27   regular game like that that might be a [TS]

01:23:29   nice experience as well so it's it's [TS]

01:23:32   it's interesting that but this is this [TS]

01:23:34   is all partly why I just I just keep [TS]

01:23:36   saying now that like I i haven't moved [TS]

01:23:37   forward because i really need to sit [TS]

01:23:39   down and try to think about this i need [TS]

01:23:41   to possibly try the HTC vive before i do [TS]

01:23:43   this like I need to make some decisions [TS]

01:23:45   before I decide what I'm going to invest [TS]

01:23:48   in for the glorious be our future [TS]

01:23:51   also we're talking about truck simulator [TS]

01:23:52   you saw the article that they were about [TS]

01:23:55   rescaling the game right [TS]

01:23:57   oh yeah I definitely did I definitely [TS]

01:23:58   did I feel like no other podcast is [TS]

01:24:02   going to talk about virtual truck [TS]

01:24:05   driving so this is our our [TS]

01:24:06   responsibility i am literally opening [TS]

01:24:09   itunes now to find what I'm sure must be [TS]

01:24:12   the American Truck Simulator podcast I [TS]

01:24:15   I cant cannot possibly exist i'm taking [TS]

01:24:18   a look [TS]

01:24:19   it cannot possibly exist for truck [TS]

01:24:21   that's illegal yeah that's the core [TS]

01:24:24   attract yeah I can't find a dedicated [TS]

01:24:28   and it is not going to be one [TS]

01:24:30   there's a Dago there's our next spin off [TS]

01:24:32   the truck that can happen but like [TS]

01:24:36   actually of all of the ones that could [TS]

01:24:37   happen that's that's the one was likely [TS]

01:24:39   happen yet but yet we had when we first [TS]

01:24:40   talked about American Truck Simulator I [TS]

01:24:43   i was super happy with it but I think [TS]

01:24:46   the thing that both of us commented on [TS]

01:24:48   was that it felt small it felt like it [TS]

01:24:54   was a little bit of a a toy America when [TS]

01:24:57   you're driving between cities in the [TS]

01:24:59   truck simulator world that it it just [TS]

01:25:01   seemed like i forget the exact timing [TS]

01:25:04   but driving from the north the [TS]

01:25:07   California all the way down to Las Vegas [TS]

01:25:10   seemed like it took far too little time [TS]

01:25:13   and then trying to extrapolate about [TS]

01:25:15   what what does this mean for how long [TS]

01:25:17   will a coast-to-coast journey taken and [TS]

01:25:19   what is what is going to be the [TS]

01:25:21   subjective experience as the player of [TS]

01:25:23   driving across this tiny America and [TS]

01:25:26   that was the thing that concerned me the [TS]

01:25:28   most was that particularly the middle [TS]

01:25:30   parts of America the experience of them [TS]

01:25:32   is that they are long right that is that [TS]

01:25:35   is part of what is going on and so I [TS]

01:25:38   have to say in what might be personally [TS]

01:25:41   the most exciting video game news of [TS]

01:25:45   yeah the company making American Truck [TS]

01:25:51   Simulator announced that they are going [TS]

01:25:52   to be rescaling the map which is super [TS]

01:25:57   exciting so that it is currently on a 35 [TS]

01:26:01   to 10 scale it's a 35th the size of the [TS]

01:26:05   actual United States and they're going [TS]

01:26:07   to upscale it to a 120th scale so it's [TS]

01:26:11   going to be essentially like 75% longer [TS]

01:26:14   roads once you're outside of the cities [TS]

01:26:16   and that to me feels just about perfect [TS]

01:26:19   if you take the current driving [TS]

01:26:20   distances and you make them not quite [TS]

01:26:23   double but 75% bigger i am super excited [TS]

01:26:26   by it's like so [TS]

01:26:28   so ridiculously happy to see this and I [TS]

01:26:33   wonder i will speculate then maybe this [TS]

01:26:39   was like a plan that this was that they [TS]

01:26:41   they released it on a smaller scale to [TS]

01:26:44   get it out sooner maybe a little bit [TS]

01:26:46   like a proof of concept that but that's [TS]

01:26:48   exactly what I'm thinking right is like [TS]

01:26:50   you know it already took them so long [TS]

01:26:53   and so much time to get out california [TS]

01:26:56   and nevada that if they had to make them [TS]

01:26:59   almost twice as big [TS]

01:27:02   that adds on a significant amount of [TS]

01:27:05   time and so maybe this was a case of [TS]

01:27:07   they'll put it out there [TS]

01:27:09   well people buy this right will people [TS]

01:27:11   buy it we know it's small [TS]

01:27:13   will people care if it's small and it [TS]

01:27:16   seems like a lot of the feedback was it [TS]

01:27:18   is small it's like but it also sold very [TS]

01:27:21   very well and and so you know maybe [TS]

01:27:25   we're imagining too much of them [TS]

01:27:26   thinking ahead but i wouldn't be [TS]

01:27:28   surprised if this was an actual decision [TS]

01:27:30   of let's upscale it later if we need to [TS]

01:27:36   if it's even as successful as as we hope [TS]

01:27:38   it will be so what is going to look like [TS]

01:27:40   they say a trip took me like 10 minutes [TS]

01:27:42   it's gonna take me nearly 20 [TS]

01:27:45   yeah it'll it'll take you like 17 [TS]

01:27:47   minutes right right that that's that's [TS]

01:27:49   about what it's going to be which is [TS]

01:27:51   great [TS]

01:27:51   yeah I i think it's i think it's [TS]

01:27:53   absolutely fantastic and again this is [TS]

01:27:57   this for me is just such a game that [TS]

01:28:00   hits a particular spot and the thing [TS]

01:28:02   that I like the most is driving on the [TS]

01:28:04   highways and so this essentially doubles [TS]

01:28:06   driving on the highway time and it's [TS]

01:28:09   it's it's absolutely great and so this [TS]

01:28:11   what this announcement was super [TS]

01:28:13   exciting to me and I saw it around the [TS]

01:28:15   time that you could download and make [TS]

01:28:17   available the Arizona beta you could [TS]

01:28:20   drive around arizona as well so I was [TS]

01:28:21   just like I was like the happiest camper [TS]

01:28:23   that day like great [TS]

01:28:24   there's a new state to drive around and [TS]

01:28:26   I know they're going to make this bigger [TS]

01:28:27   at some point in the future i'm american [TS]

01:28:30   truck happy [TS]

01:28:31   ok so Kourt xmas has come summer court [TS]

01:28:35   xmas it is here is upon us cortex which [TS]

01:28:38   means that me and you are not going to [TS]

01:28:41   be recorded [TS]

01:28:42   thing for the whole month of August its [TS]

01:28:45   glorious [TS]

01:28:45   what's absolutely glorious my it's not [TS]

01:28:48   those it really everybody needs some [TS]

01:28:51   summertime off and we're gonna get some [TS]

01:28:54   summertime off now Mike you know how I [TS]

01:28:59   feel about schedules [TS]

01:29:00   mhm how do I feel about schedules you [TS]

01:29:03   love them I do not love lol see i think [TS]

01:29:06   if court xmas if we're taking time off [TS]

01:29:10   cortex the show should take time off but [TS]

01:29:14   because i work with you and because of a [TS]

01:29:18   coincidence related to relays birthday [TS]

01:29:20   that is actually not what is going to [TS]

01:29:21   happen this month at all i care about [TS]

01:29:23   the listener I I care deeply about the [TS]

01:29:29   listener to Mike if you care about your [TS]

01:29:31   mother you know right but I also care [TS]

01:29:34   about a long summer of hashtag lots of [TS]

01:29:38   travel and not fun and trying to [TS]

01:29:40   minimize work doing that but nonetheless [TS]

01:29:43   somehow the stars have aligned so that [TS]

01:29:47   you listener will actually still get to [TS]

01:29:49   cortex episodes even though he did the [TS]

01:29:53   hope you won't be around to actually do [TS]

01:29:55   them because months ago when we knew [TS]

01:29:59   that this was going to come up because [TS]

01:30:01   there was a court xmas on the calendar [TS]

01:30:04   Mike and I recorded an episode in [TS]

01:30:06   advance an episode which quite frankly [TS]

01:30:09   right now I have no idea what we talked [TS]

01:30:12   about and I'm excited to listen to it [TS]

01:30:15   too evident because I have no memory of [TS]

01:30:17   it before like that is my feeling too i [TS]

01:30:20   like wow that this is going to be [TS]

01:30:22   essentially the closest I ever get to [TS]

01:30:25   hearing an episode of the show as a [TS]

01:30:27   listener must hear it because i have no [TS]

01:30:29   idea what we discussed just no memory [TS]

01:30:31   whatsoever it's effectively a time [TS]

01:30:32   capsule [TS]

01:30:33   yeah it is it's a it's a time capsule [TS]

01:30:35   episode from several months ago [TS]

01:30:37   containing mysteries to you and [TS]

01:30:40   mysteries to us and that is going to be [TS]

01:30:44   at the end of august at some point i'm [TS]

01:30:47   not exactly sure when [TS]

01:30:48   so the end of august you're going to [TS]

01:30:50   hear an episode that [TS]

01:30:51   is out of the time continuum and was [TS]

01:30:55   recorded a while ago and I thought okay [TS]

01:30:58   well it's it's summertime [TS]

01:30:59   there should be a little gap in the [TS]

01:31:01   schedule you know it's good to mix [TS]

01:31:02   things up you don't want things to [TS]

01:31:03   regular people get bored if there's just [TS]

01:31:06   a regular schedule that happens all the [TS]

01:31:07   time don't you agree my kind of thing [TS]

01:31:09   they do I think people are satisfied now [TS]

01:31:11   people happy people get bored [TS]

01:31:14   it's just it's just regular you gotta [TS]

01:31:15   mix it up sometimes and I thought okay [TS]

01:31:17   this is great there's going to be a [TS]

01:31:18   little gap in the schedule mix it up for [TS]

01:31:20   the people write the love it [TS]

01:31:22   however it turned out we didn't realize [TS]

01:31:26   until later that the summer is relays [TS]

01:31:29   birthday [TS]

01:31:30   mhm relays first birthday this year 2nd [TS]

01:31:33   birthday second birthday this year [TS]

01:31:35   good what kinda happy counted i may be [TS]

01:31:38   counted correctly or incorrectly not [TS]

01:31:40   that I'm zero indexing I wait I don't [TS]

01:31:43   know how to fix this [TS]

01:31:45   that was a boy that all negative 1 [TS]

01:31:49   indexing got two years wow time goes [TS]

01:31:52   fast [TS]

01:31:52   this show has been around for over a [TS]

01:31:54   year oh yeah that's a good point [TS]

01:31:56   that's an excellent point i guess in my [TS]

01:31:59   mind I still feel like this is the new [TS]

01:32:01   thing right this is the newest project [TS]

01:32:03   so it's still only a couple months old [TS]

01:32:05   even though that the chronology doesn't [TS]

01:32:07   work that way at all [TS]

01:32:08   so yes relay is to as everybody knows [TS]

01:32:11   and as part of the membership program we [TS]

01:32:16   said that there was going to be at some [TS]

01:32:18   point a special episode a non cortex [TS]

01:32:22   bonus episode and it just so happened [TS]

01:32:25   that it is going to be when is it going [TS]

01:32:29   to be Mike's I don't know anything is [TS]

01:32:30   going to be in a couple weeks in [TS]

01:32:33   mid-august ok mid-august that's right we [TS]

01:32:35   haven't at one hundred percent finalize [TS]

01:32:37   the date at this point but so if you are [TS]

01:32:40   a real a member you will get access to [TS]

01:32:44   the cortex bonus show in what should be [TS]

01:32:47   the week off but if you remember there [TS]

01:32:49   will be an episode there [TS]

01:32:50   this is a non cortex episode so we're [TS]

01:32:55   not going to be discussing the finer [TS]

01:32:57   details of trucks try yes let's go for [TS]

01:33:01   dvorak typing but yes also trucks now [TS]

01:33:04   we're not going to be discussing any [TS]

01:33:05   of those things there's not going to be [TS]

01:33:06   a secret caretech in which we answer [TS]

01:33:09   listener emails now instead we ended up [TS]

01:33:14   playing a text adventure with jason l on [TS]

01:33:19   a kind of wacky game podcast which was a [TS]

01:33:23   very strange but very fun experience and [TS]

01:33:28   is totally out of the chronology and is [TS]

01:33:30   a bizarre crossover between cortex and [TS]

01:33:33   upgrade if you would like to find out [TS]

01:33:35   more we have set up a special page for [TS]

01:33:38   you [TS]

01:33:38   cgpgrey dot-com / cortex special but if [TS]

01:33:42   you want to get a taste of this members [TS]

01:33:45   episode we've also created a trailer [TS]

01:33:48   please enjoy see you after the summer [TS]

01:33:50   everybody I mean my instinct is to just [TS]

01:33:56   kill him [TS]

01:34:00   and we have all six bullets Mike wins [TS]

01:34:05   you died game over [TS]

01:34:14   okay Mike welcome to six gun showdown [TS]

01:34:18   you're fresh out of the drunk tank [TS]

01:34:21   you're standing in the rundown Shack [TS]

01:34:22   look around what's in this place in the [TS]

01:34:24   refrigerator [TS]

01:34:25   you're in the Old West I don't know [TS]

01:34:26   where refrigerator you see a broken [TS]

01:34:29   bottle on the floor hood a burlap sack [TS]

01:34:31   you use a bed tired and parched you sit [TS]

01:34:36   down to rest a lizard runs over your [TS]

01:34:38   foot looks up at you and says howdy [TS]

01:34:40   partner [TS]

01:34:41   surely that can't be right [TS]

01:34:48   blackjack is faster on the draw and [TS]

01:34:50   hurls his knife into your chest you have [TS]

01:34:52   died [TS]

01:34:53   yeah would you like to load the game [TS]

01:34:55   excellent yet [TS]

01:35:03   and [TS]

01:35:07   ok [TS]