Cortex 41: Spiralling


  ready set go [TS]

  we do now why is that funny to you [TS]

  well I would you say ready set go I'm [TS]

  telling me that it's it's time to do the [TS]

  show [TS]

  that's what I'm doing d usually mute [TS]

  yourself when you say that I don't [TS]

  usually don't usually say it but no you [TS]

  go into mental marker that ok now the [TS]

  show is beginning like it don't you [TS]

  I don't need to say ready set go to [TS]

  myself no I don't need that [TS]

  okay well you're better podcaster than I [TS]

  am [TS]

  on your marks yeah mark get set go all [TS]

  right Mike [TS]

  where is my my curly vlog well I thought [TS]

  that I thought these things were up on [TS]

  sundays i understand from you from you [TS]

  of all people the incredible importance [TS]

  of schedules yet there was there was no [TS]

  blog this weekend [TS]

  I cannot believe that you're the first [TS]

  person to say this to me like of [TS]

  everyone in the world to ask where's the [TS]

  vlog I think I'd really didn't think it [TS]

  would be mister mister schedule over [TS]

  there [TS]

  well here's here's the reason I'm asking [TS]

  it's your fault for setting up these [TS]

  expectations but it's that they're on a [TS]

  regular basis [TS]

  I know you said you said that you had [TS]

  like your little get-out-of-jail-free [TS]

  phrase whatever it was you're like oh [TS]

  frequent but not something i don't even [TS]

  remember what it was that you said you [TS]

  know then you go ahead and upload at [TS]

  like the same time on the same day for [TS]

  four weeks in a row and so now you've [TS]

  set a schedule and so now you have [TS]

  failed to meet my expectations and I'm [TS]

  disappointed the uploading on the [TS]

  Sunday's was just because the only time [TS]

  i had to work on the videos was the [TS]

  weekend right it was like what is done [TS]

  by sunday because now i'm going to get [TS]

  to back to work on Monday which is fun [TS]

  actually because it makes it feel more [TS]

  like a side project in a weird way like [TS]

  I'm stealing like my weekend evening [TS]

  hours to do it right but no i haven't [TS]

  done one this week because we finally [TS]

  have the keys to the house [TS]

  hey we have we have the key to cortex [TS]

  cottage [TS]

  wow that was that was a hell of a Zeno's [TS]

  paradox getting closer and closer to [TS]

  those keys from my messages that you [TS]

  were sending me all [TS]

  yeah it was always like it's two months [TS]

  away right and then two months pass and [TS]

  it's it's one month away than one month [TS]

  passes and you lose two weeks way like [TS]

  we're getting closer but not right that [TS]

  was that was my experience watching you [TS]

  go through this i just had this like [TS]

  mental image of the estate agent was [TS]

  handed me the keys and they would drop [TS]

  the keys and then every time I went to [TS]

  pick up the key so I kicked them this [TS]

  was like the way my brain there is [TS]

  Persephone is it just every now and then [TS]

  I'd been outside of just kicked it away [TS]

  again and it just you know further and [TS]

  further but we finally have the keys [TS]

  wow that is that is exciting so are we [TS]

  recording from mega office right now [TS]

  we were supposed to be 0 because we were [TS]

  supposed to record like three days ago [TS]

  uh-huh but i have spent the week with [TS]

  contractors and then the contractors [TS]

  needed more contractors who needed more [TS]

  contractors who needed lots of [TS]

  contractors [TS]

  yeah it just kept going and going and [TS]

  going there was an apprentice at one [TS]

  point i'm being totally serious [TS]

  oh god that's not what you want to hear [TS]

  right it's like subcontractors all the [TS]

  way down [TS]

  fine i understand this you know this is [TS]

  how you how you build things and you [TS]

  know why build one when you can build [TS]

  two for twice the price but you don't [TS]

  want the apprentice the apprentice feels [TS]

  a bit like I don't know anymore [TS]

  looks like your situation so bad [TS]

  somebody can learn from it [TS]

  yeah it's actually i was i was just was [TS]

  just in the in the doctor's office and [TS]

  they there was a big sign up saying that [TS]

  there wasn't a not an apprentice but [TS]

  like a trainee but it might as well have [TS]

  said like we have the magician's [TS]

  apprentice today [TS]

  yeah and because like i don't know how i [TS]

  feel about this also as well like I [TS]

  completely have faith in the plumbers [TS]

  that we haven't but every now and then [TS]

  when I walk around the corner and the [TS]

  apprentice putting the pipes in also can [TS]

  you just not like switch over every time [TS]

  you hear the door open right so like I [TS]

  only see the fully-qualified plumber put [TS]

  my pipes in is that ok can we do that [TS]

  please yeah even though like she glue [TS]

  she knew what she was doing at one point [TS]

  of time according to had a blowtorch and [TS]

  I was like your heart a lot better [TS]

  everything that I am but you're handling [TS]

  a blowtorch right now and [TS]

  not really sure why but good luck to you [TS]

  so it has been a tough week i had an [TS]

  entire set of equipment ready including [TS]

  a macbook adorable which is probably the [TS]

  best computer in the world [TS]

  oh that doesn't run iOS of course [TS]

  because we know the ipad to get king but [TS]

  that thing is it's incredible it's it's [TS]

  like barely a computer is this is [TS]

  nothing there is amazing i love it I [TS]

  love it [TS]

  wow what a convert I couldn't believe it [TS]

  I had it for like a day and then I added [TS]

  a show on it and it was fine [TS]

  who's absolutely fine and it also weighs [TS]

  nothing [TS]

  yes I get that it's the nothing is [TS]

  computer you can possibly own it's [TS]

  incredible and it's gold of course of [TS]

  course we got a gold one and it has [TS]

  stickers on it and it looks incredible [TS]

  already so I had all this equipment [TS]

  ready to record from there and it was [TS]

  gonna be this like funny episode where [TS]

  is like all this echo and like I'm [TS]

  sitting on the floor button but no we [TS]

  couldn't do it because the situation [TS]

  kept getting worse and worse and I was [TS]

  there for two straight days in a room on [TS]

  a chair with a little table in front of [TS]

  me that have been left from the previous [TS]

  people on my own with just things [TS]

  happening around me for two straight [TS]

  days so just contractors coming in the [TS]

  Apple painting [TS]

  yep and then have electricity hums [TS]

  however as pipes were falling out the [TS]

  wall and it you know it just [TS]

  everything's fine and it's good now it [TS]

  was not good for a while but like it's [TS]

  ok now but it's just meant that this [TS]

  week has been an absolute disaster [TS]

  yeah justjust that the listeners [TS]

  understand when mike says pipes were [TS]

  falling out of the wall that is not an [TS]

  exaggeration [TS]

  there was a situation where a pipe [TS]

  literally fell out of a wall [TS]

  yeah it did that one hundred percent [TS]

  happened he just touched it and it fell [TS]

  off so it's been it's been a week so far [TS]

  like it's what day is it today is [TS]

  Thursday Wednesday Thursday Thursday [TS]

  today it feels like it's next wednesday [TS]

  right I i thought like it's weird in a [TS]

  way like the buying process was it was a [TS]

  time suck but it was completely [TS]

  different to this one because the buying [TS]

  process was short bursts of my [TS]

  I'm spread out over an incredibly long [TS]

  period who little this this part with [TS]

  like the getting the house ready is [TS]

  intensely long periods of time [TS]

  who over two days it's felt way worse [TS]

  that way because I've I've lot like [TS]

  completely lost multiple days of work [TS]

  but it's nearly there and not in the way [TS]

  of like the house buying process nearly [TS]

  there because all of the bad stuff is [TS]

  taken care of now [TS]

  yeah see the thing is though I like I [TS]

  don't even want to jinx it by saying [TS]

  when do you think you're going to be [TS]

  moved in but it's just like but you [TS]

  never this you're still you are still [TS]

  deep in unknown unknown territory here [TS]

  right like you think all of the bad [TS]

  stuff is over but now that you are [TS]

  actually in the house you'll find out if [TS]

  that's true that there is a thing we [TS]

  will be moved in [TS]

  give or take him for weeks because we [TS]

  had no choice we have to leave this [TS]

  house so okay [TS]

  the house may not be ready but ok but we [TS]

  can't be here anymore so we're going to [TS]

  be ejected from your current location [TS]

  and then you need to land somewhere so [TS]

  you will be in the house and four weeks [TS]

  exactly because the house i'm sitting in [TS]

  right now has been sold [TS]

  okay i don't think they will want us to [TS]

  be here [TS]

  no probably not probably not the new [TS]

  owners will not want you there [TS]

  no they can't you see I'm recording in [TS]

  here get out you need to be really quiet [TS]

  I don't care that this is your bedroom I [TS]

  don't care just get out of here so that [TS]

  is the current situation [TS]

  it has been a hellacious and relatively [TS]

  expensive week let me so far [TS]

  which brings us to our next item on the [TS]

  agenda today we have a new t-shirt for [TS]

  sale [TS]

  we're bringing back the monkey brain [TS]

  haha that this is a t-shirt design that [TS]

  many people have asked for [TS]

  so we are bringing it back and it's [TS]

  currently on sale for three weeks [TS]

  it is a limited edition variation of the [TS]

  monkey brain shot and we have take we [TS]

  have rejected him from the circle that [TS]

  he was once contained in and he is now [TS]

  adorned on the just of the shirt in [TS]

  monkey brain glory and we have we have a [TS]

  working title for the shirt [TS]

  called the cortex collagen tradition [TS]

  monkey brain t-shirt but you have to [TS]

  understand listeners like really has [TS]

  bought a house [TS]

  yep and really does have expenses that [TS]

  need to be covered [TS]

  it's like you to do I mind my own [TS]

  business i get messages from mike about [TS]

  like time for a t-shirt I go why and [TS]

  then I hear a long story about a boiler [TS]

  that ends in total horror right total [TS]

  horror and large unexpected expense and [TS]

  so I said yes Mike I think not only not [TS]

  only do we need to have a t-shirt but i [TS]

  think that this t-shirt really does need [TS]

  to be dedicated to the cortex cottage to [TS]

  Mike's new house and solving some [TS]

  serious problems for him so please [TS]

  listeners and you should really buy one [TS]

  of these for Mike now I want to make [TS]

  something super clear [TS]

  uh-huh if nobody bought this t-shirt I [TS]

  would be okay right [TS]

  we would be fine but if everyone places [TS]

  t-shirt [TS]

  I'm in a much better situation if it's [TS]

  not like Mike loses the house if you [TS]

  don't buy the t-shirt but Mike will feel [TS]

  a lot better if you do we had some [TS]

  severely unexpected costs and and if [TS]

  they are able to be covered that would [TS]

  be brilliant [TS]

  that would be very nice it would make me [TS]

  super happy [TS]

  so we've made a really nice t-shirt and [TS]

  there is a a a house icon on the back of [TS]

  it and very tiny so you know that you [TS]

  have supported cortex cottage there is [TS]

  distribution from the US and from the EU [TS]

  we have very very nice [TS]

  yep so people can choose in the past [TS]

  we've he done like you hit one Lincoln [TS]

  you get taken to whichever country [TS]

  around we're doing slightly differently [TS]

  this time because they're different [TS]

  colors available to us in the US and the [TS]

  EU so i'm going to put both links in [TS]

  take a look [TS]

  choose what college you like see how the [TS]

  pricing works out for you and you can [TS]

  choose what you want is because the [TS]

  supply that we have they have different [TS]

  colors available so go take a look see [TS]

  which ones you like and buy as many as [TS]

  you can [TS]

  seriously I want to just point out i'm [TS]

  fine i'm totally fine we are fine but if [TS]

  you buy a t-shirt i would really [TS]

  appreciate it I do like that sales pitch [TS]

  of drive it like you're not necessarily [TS]

  going for breath there you're going for [TS]

  death like if you're buying a t-shirt [TS]

  maybe you should consider seven yeah [TS]

  that's that's four colors right [TS]

  choose two of them right there are there [TS]

  are four colors and yes it really it [TS]

  really is dedicated to mikes house i [TS]

  really do like the little little design [TS]

  on the back of the shirt that has a tiny [TS]

  little house along with the the sort of [TS]

  the serial number and a bit of the [TS]

  redundant t-shirt moti from before so I [TS]

  think it looks great and I think it [TS]

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  way to cook earlier on your complaining [TS]

  about the fact that i have employer in a [TS]

  video yeah you've got me covered because [TS]

  you can't stop you're a kid [TS]

  no that's not how this works I think the [TS]

  install you are an out-of-character [TS]

  abundance of videos recently am I though [TS]

  yeah but you are could you you posted [TS]

  like a million videos across your [TS]

  various channels what have you done [TS]

  nothing can look now [TS]

  no it see what we got okay look I know [TS]

  people say this i know people say this [TS]

  and I think it's part of the joke people [TS]

  have to be like oh look cgpgrey is [TS]

  uploading a bunch of videos even even [TS]

  weirdly youtube trends got in on this [TS]

  joke which I thought was kind of funny [TS]

  really [TS]

  yeah you see I don't know I don't know [TS]

  if you are aware of this but if I don't [TS]

  think it's not on the main site but if [TS]

  you open up YouTube on the app yeah [TS]

  there's the trending videos section and [TS]

  I always kind of wondered about the [TS]

  details of this process but some of the [TS]

  videos have an editorial comment below [TS]

  them like presumably I have no idea but [TS]

  presumably there's someone at YouTube [TS]

  who is vetting what goes on the trending [TS]

  page to make sure that they don't end up [TS]

  with something terrible on and that's [TS]

  kind of my guess is probably what [TS]

  they're up to and part of that process [TS]

  is a key [TS]

  usually like there's an editorial [TS]

  comment below the trending video and [TS]

  when I released one of the electoral [TS]

  college ones the second one or something [TS]

  that there was a little comment which [TS]

  said like cgpgrey unusually releases to [TS]

  videos in a week about the electoral [TS]

  college it's like okay I guess even the [TS]

  structure of YouTube wants to get in on [TS]

  the gag that cgpgrey never releases with [TS]

  you is very frequently so happy thanks [TS]

  whoever that editor was but I still [TS]

  maintain that this totally doesn't count [TS]

  because as far as i'm concerned i [TS]

  released like one-and-a-half real videos [TS]

  i released the rules for rulers video [TS]

  and then the follow-up with the death [TS]

  and dynasties video that was whatever it [TS]

  was I think maybe eight days 10 days [TS]

  later something like that [TS]

  I view that as like one-and-a-half [TS]

  videos and then I released a bunch of [TS]

  nonsense and your short things and that [TS]

  like those are not those are not videos [TS]

  I don't think those count as actual [TS]

  video releases or anything but everybody [TS]

  likes to joke about them so I want to [TS]

  just just countless up here you released [TS]

  a video of a dog in the park [TS]

  I don't even know why you did that like [TS]

  iconic whose is that your daughter's dog [TS]

  is anyway roles for rollers deaf and [TS]

  dynasties an updated version of the [TS]

  trouble of the electoral college read [TS]

  the trouble with the Electoral College [TS]

  cities and then it cuts off a can see [TS]

  from where I am right now and then also [TS]

  a video about an apple book which is a [TS]

  whole other can of worms [TS]

  yeah this is a lot this is a lot for you [TS]

  gray this is I mean I know the psycho is [TS]

  the final video to help video this is [TS]

  like six youtube videos in a month right [TS]

  ok it's just it's strange it's just [TS]

  strange to see you be so prolific if [TS]

  you've clearly there's been a few things [TS]

  that you've got a lot to say about [TS]

  recently [TS]

  well if you know it's been a it's been a [TS]

  strange time but I will stand by my [TS]

  remark that a I think like a 19 second [TS]

  clip of a dog chasing some parakeets in [TS]

  a park does not count as a video and i [TS]

  think a [TS]

  18 seconds comment that just changes the [TS]

  number from a previous video does not [TS]

  count as a video so I i I'm firmly [TS]

  standing by that notion that I've [TS]

  actually released one-and-a-half videos [TS]

  over this length of time [TS]

  sure the that dog video I think I [TS]

  recognize a piece of hardware used to [TS]

  make that video i would do you I do [TS]

  yeah and I know is that in another video [TS]

  that you tweeted you bought the Ozma [TS]

  didn't yes i did i was i was actually [TS]

  wondering if you were going to notice [TS]

  that all i know is that I've just wait [TS]

  until now to tell you that you will so [TS]

  you tweeted a video of you walking in a [TS]

  park [TS]

  I think the who I don't know I I thought [TS]

  when you have with the dog video that [TS]

  you bought it with the walking in the [TS]

  park and 100 percentile case anybody [TS]

  doesn't know this is a like a gimbal [TS]

  like a Steadicam type thing you put your [TS]

  phone into i bought one and shoot some [TS]

  my blog footage on it and i know that [TS]

  some of the footage that I showed you [TS]

  when we're all you were very excited [TS]

  about it so i can see I can see that you [TS]

  bought it why did you get that you just [TS]

  interested [TS]

  yeah I guess we hope we haven't talked [TS]

  about that gamble on the show I think no [TS]

  don't think we have ok it's ok so first [TS]

  anyone who's not aware a gimbal is [TS]

  essentially like a little handheld [TS]

  stabilizer yeah and there are a bunch of [TS]

  them that are used specifically with [TS]

  phones so while something like the [TS]

  iphone has video stabilization built [TS]

  into it there they they are these [TS]

  devices which will mean it's so cool to [TS]

  see them in operation that they do their [TS]

  best job to hold the phone in the same [TS]

  location in space as you're walking [TS]

  around and it's it's it's very [TS]

  interesting to see how this little [TS]

  mechanical arm counteracts however you [TS]

  move it and the result is that you can [TS]

  get some really fantastic looking [TS]

  footage if you know what you're doing [TS]

  with it and the company that makes this [TS]

  one is called the Osmo mobile is DJ I [TS]

  which is the company that also makes all [TS]

  the best drums [TS]

  mmm i forget that they're the drone [TS]

  company to they make the Phantom and the [TS]

  Maverick and inspire they make all of [TS]

  those i have had had this on my mind for [TS]

  a long time as a piece of hardware that [TS]

  I wanted [TS]

  get because basically there's a project [TS]

  that was on my mind that I wanted to do [TS]

  that would require some actual real-life [TS]

  footage and so getting a gimbal had [TS]

  always been in the back of my mind and [TS]

  that one's I had looked at I never [TS]

  thought of great and then I was super [TS]

  impressed by your gamble when I saw it [TS]

  in action and so i finally decided let [TS]

  me get this and let me just do some test [TS]

  footage with it to see if this thing [TS]

  that I want to do will even work and [TS]

  it's like right now it looks like the [TS]

  answer to that is probably not but I i [TS]

  definitely just wanted to get in and try [TS]

  it out and so forth that's partly why i [TS]

  like I have this this little video clip [TS]

  of a stabilized dog chasing parakeets in [TS]

  the park is I was just walking around [TS]

  the park and kind of shooting stuff and [TS]

  playing around with it and trying to get [TS]

  a feel for how does this work but it is [TS]

  a fantastic piece of equipment so cool [TS]

  yeah and and like it's not cheap [TS]

  nobody anybody out there if you are [TS]

  thinking of doing any kind of logging I [TS]

  feel like I can really hardly recommend [TS]

  this thing like it's it's going to make [TS]

  your footage looks so much better and [TS]

  and it has what i think is hilariously [TS]

  like the vlogger mode where you can have [TS]

  the camera pointed at yourself and it [TS]

  will track your face [TS]

  yeah so you can write so you can be [TS]

  holding holding out your camera in front [TS]

  of you and doing the like look at me i'm [TS]

  walking around shooting a blog like I [TS]

  see people doing a lot of quite [TS]

  frequently and you can you can be sure [TS]

  that your face will always be in the [TS]

  center of the frame because it's doing [TS]

  live facial recognition on you and [TS]

  making sure to always keep your face in [TS]

  the center which is almost like magic [TS]

  witchcraft levels of Technology now but [TS]

  it's it's very cool and i think i can [TS]

  even as someone who is not a vlogger [TS]

  like I can totally recommend this as a [TS]

  piece of equipment if you're thinking [TS]

  about this [TS]

  my favorite thing that it does you can [TS]

  say to it i want a time lapse from here [TS]

  to here you you move it around so like i [TS]

  want you to go from this point to this [TS]

  point and I want two minutes of footage [TS]

  and you put it down [TS]

  I've got this little stand that you can [TS]

  put in you clip it in leave it and it [TS]

  will just move on its own and it gives [TS]

  you the footage it's the [TS]

  it's awesome i did some of that stuff in [TS]

  my Island video they could just getting [TS]

  like the kinda time-lapse videos of the [TS]

  mountains and stuff we got to put it [TS]

  down and just let go [TS]

  it's brilliant I really love it this is [TS]

  not a sponsorship nobody ji we're [TS]

  totally open to pick to having his [TS]

  father just isn't what i would do one [TS]

  but the so give us a call [TS]

  I really love your product i also want [TS]

  to drown because of course I do [TS]

  and the Maverick looks really impressive [TS]

  so send me one [TS]

  shameless Mike yeah I really think it [TS]

  looks cool and super expensive and I as [TS]

  we have already out late I can't justify [TS]

  that right now [TS]

  so how are you doing this how are you [TS]

  making these videos like everybody [TS]

  listen to the show knows that it takes [TS]

  you forever to put video together even [TS]

  with your new process of having an [TS]

  animator the scripts we have establishes [TS]

  take you months at best I can I don't [TS]

  understand how you're doing this [TS]

  based on your own kind of very stringent [TS]

  requirements that you set for yourself [TS]

  I mean okay well let's just let's take a [TS]

  look at the ones that i uploaded to them [TS]

  the real youtube channel not the cg b [TS]

  grade to youtube channel you know right [TS]

  where i upload an interesting things so [TS]

  this was this was interesting because [TS]

  the two little Electoral College follow [TS]

  up video that I did were actually now [TS]

  the first time I have animated something [TS]

  in three videos worth of time you can't [TS]

  tell i think i think you really can't [TS]

  tell [TS]

  oh no you can you review you can tell ya [TS]

  I'm used to the new style now grey I [TS]

  gonna say no the new the new thing is [TS]

  much better [TS]

  uh-huh i'm and and so I had they were [TS]

  really animated because i was partly [TS]

  just pulling footage from my old videos [TS]

  and and laying stuff down not on top of [TS]

  them so that was very easy to do mean [TS]

  that the first one where I'm just simply [TS]

  commenting on the fact that the number [TS]

  of times the electoral colleges had this [TS]

  strange result has increased you know [TS]

  that I mean that i put [TS]

  that together in like an hour the [TS]

  morning of the election results from my [TS]

  perspective in the UK which would have [TS]

  been late late night in America that was [TS]

  really simple to do I mean here's here's [TS]

  a funny thing which is the longer video [TS]

  which is the the one with the ridiculous [TS]

  title like read the trouble with the [TS]

  electoral college that was that was just [TS]

  a case of I was really trying to write a [TS]

  whole new video about the Electoral [TS]

  College recognize that i had an enormous [TS]

  amount of stuff that I wanted to say [TS]

  about it also recognized that there was [TS]

  no way that I could do this in the [TS]

  timeframe that I would want to do it and [TS]

  i kinda shelved this big update to the [TS]

  Electoral College video but then pretend [TS]

  a little bit like the rules for rulers [TS]

  thing that we discussed last time like I [TS]

  just like I found myself just constantly [TS]

  thinking about a couple of parts of that [TS]

  video and so the the follow-up thing [TS]

  that I ended up putting up on friday i [TS]

  feel like that video was the flip side [TS]

  of the same process that produce the [TS]

  rules for rulers now in the case of the [TS]

  rules for rulers like I'm really happy [TS]

  with this video that I produced that I [TS]

  couldn't let go that kind of drove me [TS]

  crazy for a while but I i think that the [TS]

  the the update video is is the flip side [TS]

  of this coin because it's a video that [TS]

  is is frankly like not very good [TS]

  it was produced in an absurdly short [TS]

  period of time [TS]

  it's the kind of thing that like looking [TS]

  at it almost immediately after its [TS]

  published i can see all of the writing [TS]

  and structural flaws with it but it's [TS]

  like but it was produced in a day [TS]

  essentially like I took a bunch of stuff [TS]

  that I had written i rewrote it as a [TS]

  different thing in the morning [TS]

  animated in the afternoon and then put [TS]

  it up on the YouTube channel and then I [TS]

  felt like free right I feel like okay [TS]

  brain you can let go of this now we've [TS]

  done a thing [TS]

  it's not a very good thing but at least [TS]

  like you you you can let this go are we [TS]

  can stop thinking about this for now and [TS]

  we can come back to it and do it [TS]

  properly at some point down the road but [TS]

  but that's what was occurring here also [TS]

  for various reasons this probably isn't [TS]

  the right time for that video in a weird [TS]

  way [TS]

  yeah I like I can't even I can't even [TS]

  judge if it is or not like who knows [TS]

  like it's from a perspective of catching [TS]

  the zeitgeist of course it is but to do [TS]

  an objective video when you look at that [TS]

  it's probably not the right time for it [TS]

  yeah it might be better to wait until a [TS]

  period in which nobody really cares [TS]

  about politics and then try to release [TS]

  the thing I i don't know i don't know [TS]

  I've had a bunch of thoughts about it [TS]

  but sometimes i think these things [TS]

  happen in the working process where you [TS]

  can see the like different outcomes that [TS]

  result from the same process and I think [TS]

  the rules are rules video and the read [TS]

  the Electoral College video are just [TS]

  like an astounding example of opposite [TS]

  results from the same fundamental thing [TS]

  like sometimes I can't let a thing go [TS]

  sometimes a 20-minute video pops out of [TS]

  that which took six months right [TS]

  sometimes form a half minute video took [TS]

  a day again did they spoke extremes at [TS]

  the same thing [TS]

  yeah and also wildly varying quality [TS]

  levels like it'sit's just it's [TS]

  interesting to see but it's like I keep [TS]

  I keep sort of joking online that that [TS]

  video was way more about catharsis guy [TS]

  just like I need to do this so that i [TS]

  can let it go right and then and that's [TS]

  and that's where we are now so i think [TS]

  that is partly why there has ended up [TS]

  being a bunch of videos that i have put [TS]

  up in a relatively short period of time [TS]

  is funny to see when you go on these [TS]

  vents the you know like I'm glad I'm [TS]

  glad it's funny for someone because it's [TS]

  not funny for me it's like not funny [TS]

  ha-ha right but it's it's just like [TS]

  every now and then I'll see you do a [TS]

  thing and I just know that your illness [TS]

  you're in a state [TS]

  you know like you set up a whole new [TS]

  reddit to help you trying combat some of [TS]

  this like I just I just watch you you [TS]

  just spiral and then come back again one [TS]

  day you're gonna fall down that hole and [TS]

  I don't know what I'm gonna do to that [TS]

  point i'll just keep watching you from [TS]

  can sort of forgot that I set up the [TS]

  second read it and I do like someone [TS]

  pointed out to me like you know you've [TS]

  done this before set up an alternative [TS]

  really collect totally forgot oops [TS]

  yeah it's you know bursts of activity [TS]

  and you know right right now I feel like [TS]

  a a burnt-out shell of a human being at [TS]

  the moment is is what has happened on [TS]

  the other end of this like this is this [TS]

  is I think an unusual amount of activity [TS]

  like really just a lot [TS]

  yeah I've had a bunch of videos in a [TS]

  relatively short period of time we go [TS]

  watch that dog video people it's like [TS]

  that yeah thats what its last that's the [TS]

  real money you know just go wash the dog [TS]

  video remember last time we were talking [TS]

  about Steve Jobs and the Apple board and [TS]

  the end of looking at how he put his [TS]

  keys into place [TS]

  Sasquatch Yeti on the reddit provided [TS]

  some some follow-up that I wanted to to [TS]

  read so they said i remember reading [TS]

  about this in the water [TS]

  isaacson biography and the story is more [TS]

  bold than great imagined who I know [TS]

  right after job tried to make his first [TS]

  change to the board and they wanted to [TS]

  study it for two months before [TS]

  implementing it he called them we [TS]

  couldn't save the company if he wasn't [TS]

  going to get the support he needed he [TS]

  demanded that everybody quit or he would [TS]

  resign immediately so the board all [TS]

  resigned at once except one guy that job [TS]

  said could stay then he replaced all of [TS]

  these people with people have his [TS]

  choosing he knew he had all the leverage [TS]

  because who wants to be on the board [TS]

  that brought Steve Jobs back to Apple [TS]

  then lost him again [TS]

  interesting and the company was doing so [TS]

  badly at that point that they would [TS]

  absolutely get blamed for continuing to [TS]

  tank after landing jobs go they needed [TS]

  him more than they even needed their own [TS]

  board seats that is a fascinating [TS]

  additional detail there of how was it [TS]

  that he was able to manipulate the board [TS]

  of directors to be so on his side yet [TS]

  because it was just basically it's it's [TS]

  either you do what I say or the company [TS]

  blows up right and in addition to that [TS]

  the board had already brought him back [TS]

  yep and it would look terrible if he [TS]

  quit and they're all calculating for [TS]

  their future careers [TS]

  it looks terrible for them as board [TS]

  members of other companies if that is [TS]

  that is very interesting and I feel like [TS]

  again as an example of structures lining [TS]

  up so that a thing can happen in a [TS]

  particular way that if there's a very [TS]

  interesting additional detail to the [TS]

  story because the stars are all aligned [TS]

  right they approve the buyout next thing [TS]

  right next to it so S&M brought jobs [TS]

  back into the fold and it created this [TS]

  beautifully romantic story who the man [TS]

  coming back to save the company and then [TS]

  he just leaves again click with you you [TS]

  get you don't want to get a handle and [TS]

  that would totally have tanked the [TS]

  company at the time like I completely [TS]

  see that as a as just a death knell for [TS]

  we've made an acquisition and the main [TS]

  dude is out the door as soon as he [TS]

  possibly can be [TS]

  we just think of like the the way the [TS]

  stock market reacted right job comes [TS]

  back sees how bad it is and decides he [TS]

  can't say that leaves [TS]

  yeah and it's also brings that the [TS]

  interesting thing which speaking a board [TS]

  of directors I think this is a detail [TS]

  that people are often unaware of is how [TS]

  much CEOs are often boards of directors [TS]

  for other companies like how closely [TS]

  related lots of seemingly competitive [TS]

  companies are and then that makes sense [TS]

  as to why like why do the board of [TS]

  directors about apple care a lot about [TS]

  protecting their reputation [TS]

  it's because they are going to be [TS]

  connected with a bunch of other [TS]

  companies that [TS]

  either they are the CEOs of or that they [TS]

  are on the board of directors of just to [TS]

  give a tidbit on that if people don't [TS]

  know a tim cook CEO of Apple he's on the [TS]

  board of nike yeah [TS]

  yep and Eddy Cue who's a senior [TS]

  vice-president Apple he's on the board [TS]

  ferrari loose [TS]

  yep this is this is the thing that is so [TS]

  much more common than you think it is [TS]

  and if you ever dig into the details of [TS]

  like pick a random company look at their [TS]

  board of directors and it just it [TS]

  spirals out into a web of other [TS]

  companies and it's like okay this makes [TS]

  sense as to like yr apple and nike [TS]

  working together on an Apple watch is [TS]

  like okay well because their senior [TS]

  level people are like trading positions [TS]

  with each other in their companies as [TS]

  far as how they're related so it's I [TS]

  think it's a very interesting phenomenon [TS]

  of bored interconnectedness among [TS]

  companies so Bob Iger who is the CEO of [TS]

  disney was on the board Apple who [TS]

  there we go wonder how that pic [TS]

  something went down right exactly [TS]

  exactly thats that's how this goes [TS]

  that's that's how this goes it's another [TS]

  one of the ways that a company can [TS]

  distribute rewards to key supporters who [TS]

  are also people who are in charge of [TS]

  companies that can be quite useful to [TS]

  the CEO of the primary company like you [TS]

  can you can just see the structure a [TS]

  little bit unveiled if you ever trace [TS]

  the board relationships across company [TS]

  so seemingly seemingly competitive [TS]

  companies often will have key members of [TS]

  other boards who are like on the other [TS]

  person's company you think how much are [TS]

  you really competing it doesn't seem [TS]

  like maybe that much this episode of [TS]

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  support of this show and we laugh and we [TS]

  have spent a ton of time on this show [TS]

  talking about email [TS]

  oh yeah and that what we have right like [TS]

  I think it's like if you if somebody was [TS]

  to to really kind of outline the major [TS]

  themes of the show email has definitely [TS]

  been one of those things [TS]

  mm and I think it's because and I think [TS]

  there is an element that everybody can [TS]

  relate to because if you work in any [TS]

  kind of company email is a big part of [TS]

  it right no matter what you do e-mail [TS]

  kind of it just has its way of just [TS]

  putting its tendrils out to touch every [TS]

  part of your life whether you like it or [TS]

  not [TS]

  yes it can be all-consuming did you hear [TS]

  about the to-do about the disaster with [TS]

  the NHS and their email system i saw [TS]

  some headlines about as funny as i saw [TS]

  this headline on on hacker news i think [TS]

  ya up and I didn't pay much attention to [TS]

  it but as i mentioned i was just [TS]

  recently in a doctor's office and when I [TS]

  was there I was overhearing the two [TS]

  secretaries complaining about this thing [TS]

  that occurred I was like okay I see what [TS]

  happened here essentially somebody [TS]

  accidentally sent out a message to all [TS]

  of the two million plus members of staff [TS]

  who are on the NHL email list which also [TS]

  includes like return generally related [TS]

  industries like there's tons of doctors [TS]

  who work in private practice who would [TS]

  also get this message just like okay so [TS]

  a message went out with two million [TS]

  recipients and then what everybody was [TS]

  caught in is reply all so hope [TS]

  with two million people there ended up [TS]

  being a million people replying saying [TS]

  this message wasn't supposed to be for [TS]

  me right there replying all and then [TS]

  other Ben's like you can see what [TS]

  suddenly happens and the the two [TS]

  secretaries I was overhearing them say [TS]

  that they've got a call from someone at [TS]

  the NHS like trying to tell everybody [TS]

  individually how to sort out this [TS]

  problem like don't reply to any of these [TS]

  messages like we just need to delete [TS]

  them we meet like this is this is a [TS]

  terrible half-life situation we need to [TS]

  make it go down as fast as possible but [TS]

  but quite legitimately they were saying [TS]

  that their inboxes were filled with [TS]

  hundreds and hundreds of a relevant [TS]

  messages surrounding the actual [TS]

  legitimate messages hundreds has to be [TS]

  understating it [TS]

  what I mean is hundreds between each [TS]

  legitimate message [TS]

  oh right so list of his weaknesses but [TS]

  for envelope [TS]

  it's like what do you do what do you do [TS]

  anyway that's one that's one of the joys [TS]

  of email reply off of my favorite things [TS]

  is when you get caught one of those and [TS]

  then somebody replies all saying please [TS]

  take me off this [TS]

  yeah you are contributing to the problem [TS]

  you're trying to solve it's infuriating [TS]

  and and i keep saying half life because [TS]

  like this is this is the real situation [TS]

  and I'm i remember a the graduate school [TS]

  that I went to it it took me years to [TS]

  get off some reply-all emails chain that [TS]

  it happened while I was there right and [TS]

  it's just like it was just like much [TS]

  smaller scale but a similar thing of you [TS]

  know somebody sent out a message to [TS]

  everybody who was in the graduate school [TS]

  department which ended up being just a [TS]

  ton of people and people were applying [TS]

  all about taking off an argument was [TS]

  like you know a big burst in the [TS]

  beginning but i remember years later [TS]

  still getting someone replying all to [TS]

  this entire list you know complaining [TS]

  about the existence of the list is like [TS]

  you're the problem [TS]

  you're the problem don't reply all like [TS]

  if everything just stays quiet and calm [TS]

  this can go away really fast but it [TS]

  doesn't so I'm sure the NHS will be [TS]

  dealing with this until the end of time [TS]

  with two million people so the reason I [TS]

  brought up email today and is I found a [TS]

  new email app that I think is really [TS]

  interesting and ya mean you spent a ton [TS]

  of time on the show [TS]

  talking about apps that are specific to [TS]

  our own preferences and needs like what [TS]

  was that one that you use univox uni [TS]

  barks at you maybe I can't imagine [TS]

  everybody that listens to show once or [TS]

  needs the application because it deals [TS]

  even a very specific way [TS]

  look at this this one that i found this [TS]

  app Gordon ocean it's probably the best [TS]

  email app that I've used for specific [TS]

  features and those features our business [TS]

  email so it does a few things now it is [TS]

  phone only at the moment they are [TS]

  working on tablet apps on iOS and [TS]

  Android and they are using machine [TS]

  learning type stuff to make your email [TS]

  better and to make you react to it [TS]

  better at what you explain what you mean [TS]

  by this right is I feel like machine [TS]

  learning is this buzzword that everybody [TS]

  likes to use now and it'd be like when [TS]

  you hear machine learning just replace [TS]

  it with magic once things that upset a [TS]

  lot of people but like I'm mostly family [TS]

  yes your email is going to be going [TS]

  through somebody else's server but [TS]

  that's pretty much how all third-party [TS]

  let's work these days for notifications [TS]

  cetera [TS]

  if you don't if you don't want that [TS]

  you're not gonna like this [TS]

  yeah it's like shocked surprised you [TS]

  email is not even as secure as you think [TS]

  it is if it's not going through one of [TS]

  these services so like if you're worried [TS]

  about security in your email you already [TS]

  focused on the wrong problem mmm one [TS]

  thing that it does is it looks at your [TS]

  inbox and tries to assume what's [TS]

  important to you who write so it takes a [TS]

  look at like people you've replied to [TS]

  before stuff like that he knows that so [TS]

  obviously it's nothing is going to keep [TS]

  that as an important email people that [TS]

  are going to contact you for the first [TS]

  time or whatever maybe it thinks they [TS]

  might not be that important to you or [TS]

  like app emails or subscriptions or [TS]

  newsletters and stuff like that and it [TS]

  kind of Gray's them out a little bit [TS]

  keeps them in the order of the inbox [TS]

  with grace them out a little bit then [TS]

  you get a number in the bottom [TS]

  right-hand corner that tells you how [TS]

  many of these emails exist and with one [TS]

  swipe you can archive all of them so [TS]

  that's really cool how you clean out [TS]

  junk really easily so when you say it's [TS]

  it's grouping it's grouping similar [TS]

  messages according to the machine [TS]

  learning or grouping similar messages [TS]

  according to sender machine learning [TS]

  though it is assuming what it thinks are [TS]

  unimportant email [TS]

  right and you can get rid of all of [TS]

  those in a swipe ok you can very easily [TS]

  just with like to tap a button to say no [TS]

  this is important and then it will learn [TS]

  that future but it's like I'm looking at [TS]

  it right now and I have nine messages my [TS]

  inbox one of them is from dropbox one of [TS]

  them is from my plumber asking for [TS]

  feedback and one of them is from a [TS]

  personal email me for the first time and [TS]

  it's indicate that these three might not [TS]

  be that important and to be honest it's [TS]

  got two out three the right so it's [TS]

  doing a good job of that but it goes way [TS]

  more than this this application this is [TS]

  just like the tip of the iceberg of what [TS]

  this thing does and this is why it's so [TS]

  good for businesses it has single radar [TS]

  radar scans your inbox and your sent [TS]

  emails and highlights unanswered [TS]

  questions [TS]

  whoo that's interesting and interesting [TS]

  it uses another part of its technology [TS]

  of assessing all of your communications [TS]

  between people [TS]

  so let's say mean you don't you don't [TS]

  even we are not even in this list but [TS]

  we've never even met each other let's [TS]

  just say me and you it will look at how [TS]

  long is the usual response time between [TS]

  me and you from the lead to you and [TS]

  we'll assess if an email was passed that [TS]

  point and put it in the writer so for [TS]

  example it may know it would make me [TS]

  very sad that you don't like your [TS]

  outgoing points [TS]

  oh my god i did--like i feel like i [TS]

  don't i don't want to even though those [TS]

  numbers i have so many people waiting on [TS]

  me for so long for so many things like [TS]

  right but here's the thing that right so [TS]

  this is it knows how the app will know [TS]

  how long it takes you to usually reply [TS]

  to somebody it will only highlight [TS]

  something when it's past even that point [TS]

  yeah to be like hey you should reply to [TS]

  this but what is really great is that [TS]

  how it works on the other end so it [TS]

  knows how long it usually takes somebody [TS]

  to reply to you and it will then [TS]

  highlight just the question part food so [TS]

  it looks or what it thinks is the [TS]

  question and it breaks them down into [TS]

  these little cards and it's like you [TS]

  asked cgpgrey and maybe a long email but [TS]

  in [TS]

  that email i asked you one question and [TS]

  i have not received a reply to that [TS]

  email which means you have not answered [TS]

  it and then it says nudge gray and just [TS]

  highlights the question [TS]

  it's freaking amazing that's interesting [TS]

  and then it says like it has a date to [TS]

  them so like this one person who hasn't [TS]

  emailed me i asked i also what do you [TS]

  think [TS]

  and they haven't replied and they're [TS]

  late by 28 days based on our previous [TS]

  communication who it says nudge this [TS]

  person so you just press the button and [TS]

  open an email for you to send again and [TS]

  i also like I have an email in my inbox [TS]

  to a person that is overdue by eight [TS]

  days based on our previous communication [TS]

  it's incredible and then also i've asked [TS]

  questions of people that it says I can [TS]

  expect this email in X amount of days [TS]

  based on our previous communications got [TS]

  that's also a thing open what beautiful [TS]

  seeing for making out there and and then [TS]

  it has a people tab in the people tab [TS]

  you can go into an individual you can [TS]

  find out what the usual response time is [TS]

  between each of them who is the best [TS]

  person responding in that relationship [TS]

  it tells you who introduced you to that [TS]

  person [TS]

  oh that's interesting because it like [TS]

  looks at the cc's and then what is that [TS]

  when the first email wasn't who it came [TS]

  from [TS]

  I have never seen a nap do the stuff [TS]

  that this does and then it pulls in [TS]

  contact data and work history of the [TS]

  individual from services like Twitter [TS]

  and LinkedIn and their websites like I [TS]

  can look at somebody and it tells me [TS]

  what their personal website is because [TS]

  it's even looked at it maybe from their [TS]

  signature field or just from pulling in [TS]

  data from other services [TS]

  it's incredible like it really does a [TS]

  good job of ensuring what's important in [TS]

  your inbox but the thing that's most [TS]

  important for me is i will i'm using [TS]

  this is my email app when and if they [TS]

  put an ipad i may do that just because [TS]

  some of this stuff is so powerful but I [TS]

  open it every now and then just to see [TS]

  like your questions are outstanding [TS]

  because how else do you know that the [TS]

  email goes and then you may never see a [TS]

  reply and you just forget and if you're [TS]

  packing in some other way but this [TS]

  application tells me all my own [TS]

  signing questions to people awesome boy [TS]

  that is very interesting that is that is [TS]

  very interesting this again highlights [TS]

  one of the best things about email that [TS]

  it is this cross-platform open way of [TS]

  communicating and then it ends up that [TS]

  you can build specific tools for sifting [TS]

  through this general-purpose thing and [TS]

  like that like that is very interesting [TS]

  to see like oh maybe you don't use this [TS]

  all the time but it's useful to check to [TS]

  make sure that you haven't overlooked [TS]

  something like that as a very as a very [TS]

  interesting idea and I'm just I'm just [TS]

  looking at some of the screenshots from [TS]

  this and I have to say I this this looks [TS]

  again like maybe one of the most [TS]

  different email apps i've ever seen and [TS]

  from and from your description as well [TS]

  as I boy that is that is worth keeping [TS]

  an eye on for when they come out with an [TS]

  ipad version they're also working on [TS]

  amazon alexa skill i'm not sure if it's [TS]

  out yet but they showed a video of it [TS]

  and you can just do all of your email [TS]

  through the alexa and you can just have [TS]

  said very quietly because because Alexa [TS]

  is listening right now my echo every now [TS]

  and then like i'll say it and then it [TS]

  will go like I didn't hear what you said [TS]

  like from downstairs or like our listen [TS]

  to me that like that video that they [TS]

  showed off was like you can it would do [TS]

  a lot of this stuff to you is like Mary [TS]

  is waiting on an email for you what [TS]

  would you like to set like it yeah [TS]

  this app is also this is part of like me [TS]

  i'm trying to change a few things about [TS]

  the way that I'm working this is [TS]

  probably gonna come up a lot like I'm [TS]

  thinking about trying out and you to do [TS]

  manager Lou I'm thinking about like [TS]

  different different email apps [TS]

  I'm thinking about like optimizing my [TS]

  life in different ways like for 2017 the [TS]

  year of less common who move like this [TS]

  is the stuff that's going to come up but [TS]

  like I found this app and I really want [TS]

  to move everything to it just because [TS]

  its so-called but I'm also just using it [TS]

  frequently to check on some stuff that [TS]

  might want to catch up on so i think [TS]

  this this one is maybe of all of the [TS]

  apps that we've spoke [TS]

  about i think that I'll more of those [TS]

  things might get some use out of this [TS]

  a.m providing that you're able to put [TS]

  your email for these services direct [TS]

  depends on on your company and the [TS]

  policies of course because it when you [TS]

  put your email into it it says like we [TS]

  need to go away and look at this and [TS]

  then it gives you a push notification [TS]

  after a period of time to say like your [TS]

  emails now ready like right this week we [TS]

  looked at all [TS]

  we now know what's going on it's pretty [TS]

  cool and our AI BOTS have have crunched [TS]

  on this for a while and yours here's [TS]

  what they're thinking [TS]

  yep this is the world of artificial [TS]

  intelligence AI like yes exactly like [TS]

  there are plenty of ways that machine [TS]

  learning AI neural nets and stuff like [TS]

  they can pull out patterns that you [TS]

  couldn't possibly do yourself [TS]

  mhm it's like light sidebar here I can't [TS]

  exactly know what the what the deal is [TS]

  with this but I always always presume [TS]

  this is apple's privacy thing always [TS]

  feel like an apple III who I would love [TS]

  for you to take a look at my health data [TS]

  you know with your lady I box or [TS]

  whatever you want to do what you feel [TS]

  like you don't even you don't even pull [TS]

  this health data off of the phone and [TS]

  let it go onto an ipad or synchronized [TS]

  anywhere it's like a super lockdown like [TS]

  that seems like an area that is super [TS]

  ripe for all kinds of correlations and [TS]

  learning and in the same way that you [TS]

  can do something with email which is [TS]

  like an enormous corpus of data about [TS]

  you I feel a similar thing about health [TS]

  stuff with the phone it's like oh come [TS]

  on like there's no device that knows [TS]

  more about me then the phone like surely [TS]

  there's there's something to be learned [TS]

  here but it feels like that's locked [TS]

  down [TS]

  it's very private kind of thing that's [TS]

  like that anyway that's that little [TS]

  sidebar my own personal annoyance i'm [TS]

  going to side by your side bar so we [TS]

  were we were together recently at the [TS]

  all-conference which is a great [TS]

  conference in island compiling go for a [TS]

  while I arrived I check in i pick up my [TS]

  name badge whose name badges above mine [TS]

  cgpgrey and then a couple days later I [TS]

  pick up a bag and turn around you're [TS]

  standing behind me so that was that was [TS]

  interesting anyway so we are at this [TS]

  this conference together and we were we [TS]

  were hanging out and I get a push [TS]

  notification on my watch to tell me that [TS]

  Stephen hack it wants to share his [TS]

  health date with me is activity date [TS]

  with me [TS]

  to which you immediately so it's like we [TS]

  should do that too so I'm now sharing [TS]

  activity day to have a couple of people [TS]

  that you can do on your Apple watch and [TS]

  when you share this stuff with people [TS]

  you feel bad about your own life [TS]

  it is a really good motivational tool [TS]

  because now I know when you're seeing [TS]

  that like today I will have not moved [TS]

  very much and you're going to know that [TS]

  and I don't like that makes me very [TS]

  uncomfortable [TS]

  I like the activity sharing in the Apple [TS]

  watch I think it's I think it's done [TS]

  really well i think it's actually done [TS]

  really well in a way that protects your [TS]

  privacy because it didn't occur to me [TS]

  before but the way they've done it is [TS]

  you can only see the aggregate data for [TS]

  the other person you can't see like Oh [TS]

  Mike was really busy running around [TS]

  between three and four pm and you can [TS]

  only just see here here is mike's [TS]

  activity for the day I do get [TS]

  notifications right now which I need to [TS]

  arrange because I just haven't yet of [TS]

  when you complete your workouts [TS]

  yeah yeah i think there's those [TS]

  notifications I think our little bit [TS]

  much so I have turned those off for [TS]

  everybody because i like I don't really [TS]

  need to see when everybody completes [TS]

  their little circles it's given me a new [TS]

  and interesting looking to your schedule [TS]

  okay waiting for you [TS]

  what do you mean suddenly now suddenly [TS]

  now I have bigger privacy concerns that [TS]

  i did the start of this conversation I'm [TS]

  going to show that I go push [TS]

  notification from you like eleven [TS]

  o'clock last night saying that you've [TS]

  done the stair stepping exercise doing [TS]

  so there you go i'm learning new things [TS]

  about you work out way more than I [TS]

  thought and it's making me feel terrible [TS]

  i'm so happy that cortex cottage has a [TS]

  gym at the bottom now good girl you see [TS]

  me now like 4am mike is completed a run [TS]

  yet up i'll be waiting for that one you [TS]

  wait for that one waiting for a long [TS]

  time [TS]

  how is you you on the multi watch [TS]

  lifestyle now like you're on that right [TS]

  how is that working for you [TS]

  multi watch lifestyle awesome it's it's [TS]

  it's fantastic it's everything that I [TS]

  dreamed it would be [TS]

  are you using two different generations [TS]

  of watch [TS]

  yes I got the order they calling series [TS]

  2 is that yeah the the newer one you had [TS]

  the original and the series to right I [TS]

  got the overhead i bought the original [TS]

  watch when it came out about a series [TS]

  two to replace it [TS]

  which you thought was a ridiculous idea [TS]

  and i thought was an obvious conclusion [TS]

  to come to exert heard mumbling but we [TS]

  can't keep track of all of these things [TS]

  but I mean the short version of it is I [TS]

  thrilled with the series to watch i [TS]

  totally love it [TS]

  the battery life is fantastic like it is [TS]

  it is noticeably noticeably better than [TS]

  the original watch so much so that it [TS]

  falls into the category for me of thing [TS]

  that I simply don't have to think about [TS]

  which is amazing right because with so [TS]

  many batteries in our lives and I hate [TS]

  having to be aware vaguely of the [TS]

  batteries of all of these things like [TS]

  okay there's the watch battery right [TS]

  there's the headphone battery there's [TS]

  the phone battery there's the gimbal [TS]

  battery has filming something right this [TS]

  like a bazillion batteries in the world [TS]

  and i love that the watch i essentially [TS]

  never even have to think about it and [TS]

  then combining that with the thing that [TS]

  I'm doing which is at nighttime i switch [TS]

  to the old watch which I simply leave in [TS]

  a setup nighttime face that i have it on [TS]

  my wrist at night so that it it helps me [TS]

  sleep better that I can check the time [TS]

  when i'm sort of half awake doing those [TS]

  two things means I just like never have [TS]

  to think about the watch or the watch [TS]

  battery or how charged is at any point [TS]

  in time because it's just like it never [TS]

  gets below fifty percent either of the [TS]

  two watches so it's it's fantastic like [TS]

  I wouldn't go out and buy a second watch [TS]

  if I didn't already have one but using [TS]

  the original as [TS]

  the nighttime sleep watch is this great [TS]

  absolutely absolutely love having done [TS]

  this you also mentioned couple of weeks [TS]

  ago we spoke about this that you wished [TS]

  that you could get like a kind of fuzzy [TS]

  clock as we've mentioned before like you [TS]

  have this clock on your mac which kind [TS]

  of it doesn't say like 20 for it's like [TS]

  it's five past three or something [TS]

  whatever you say [TS]

  yeah I obviously those times that make [TS]

  any sense why just said but don't worry [TS]

  about some a bunch of people sent us in [TS]

  something called the fuzzy complication [TS]

  for the watch which just tells you it's [TS]

  about six o'clock stuff like that that [TS]

  thing exists if you tried that and no [TS]

  because i have i have no real use for [TS]

  this because the way Apple sets up there [TS]

  watch faces you always have to have the [TS]

  exact time on the watch face Yeah Yeah [TS]

  right hand replace the clock [TS]

  you can never replace the HS teenage [TS]

  have two plaques on the wall guys are [TS]

  confusing [TS]

  there's no version of this that allows [TS]

  you to just have the one clock is that [TS]

  this again is my internal frustration [TS]

  with Apple not allowing people to design [TS]

  watch faces which i used to have I used [TS]

  to have used to have great hope for like [TS]

  obviously Apple is going to open this up [TS]

  obviously this is a thing that will [TS]

  change will come someday but a couple of [TS]

  personal conversations combined with [TS]

  apples brand deals with nike animes yeah [TS]

  I feel like have have totally ripped [TS]

  this dream of mine away it's like there [TS]

  is no way that they are ever going to do [TS]

  this so yes people can design customers [TS]

  faces provided that there are huge [TS]

  fashion brand make their own branded [TS]

  watches well it exactly like when gray [TS]

  industries is a global fashion brand [TS]

  then maybe I can get them to produce a [TS]

  watch face for me right [TS]

  he just needs to go back to your [TS]

  original dream of making your own [TS]

  t-shirts but that one that was the thing [TS]

  yeah suddenly this is a more practical [TS]

  idea but now it's it is frustrating and [TS]

  i think i think this fuzzy clock [TS]

  complication is a perfect example of [TS]

  like theirs theirs base for this but [TS]

  this just this is fundamentally can't [TS]

  work or even how I would have been the [TS]

  past couple of days for various reasons [TS]

  I don't wanna get into at the moment [TS]

  what I have really wanted [TS]

  is what I think of is like a the old [TS]

  pilots or flight attendant watches where [TS]

  I like where you can have a watch that [TS]

  has to clock faces on it of equivalent [TS]

  weight so you can set one for one time [TS]

  zone and one for the other one and I [TS]

  feel like I've wanted to do this for a [TS]

  couple reasons in the past few days and [TS]

  it's just it's like it's not there's no [TS]

  great solution to this in the setup that [TS]

  the watch is currently have like their [TS]

  little complications just don't do what [TS]

  I really want [TS]

  I like the emphasis is always on the [TS]

  wrong time like I want to be able to [TS]

  have the main time be somewhere else and [TS]

  have a smaller time be the the time in [TS]

  the current time zone but it's like no [TS]

  no way to do this and this is the kind [TS]

  of thing like someone could create a [TS]

  custom watch face which would be awesome [TS]

  for people who want to kind of dual [TS]

  think about two time zones in a very [TS]

  particular way but like never going to [TS]

  happen because that market is super [TS]

  small and apples not going to make a [TS]

  face that that does like exactly what [TS]

  you wanted to do so I'm sad about that [TS]

  two watches thumbs-up lack of custom [TS]

  watch races sat faith [TS]

  watch races sat faith [TS]

  no thumbs down yeah I'm I'm sadder than [TS]

  I disapprove [TS]

  that's why a sad face I don't into the [TS]

  emoji very well microsite sorry [TS]

  now the components back out again okay [TS]

  to go back to email [TS]

  ok so you treat the other day that you [TS]

  have found a limited I didn't know [TS]

  existed [TS]

  apparently you can only have 100 VIPs [TS]

  and apple mail system [TS]

  ohmygod ohmygod i mean i have some [TS]

  issues with the fact that you even reach [TS]

  this in the first place [TS]

  okay i'm going to have to explain what's [TS]

  going on here yeah I think he did okay [TS]

  for the first thing the first thing that [TS]

  frustrates me so for the listeners i was [TS]

  doing some email on my computer it was [TS]

  using Apple's default mail app and in [TS]

  there you can press a little button next [TS]

  to a contact to immediately add them as [TS]

  a VIP mhm and I went to press this [TS]

  button and I got the message which said [TS]

  something like you are only allowed to [TS]

  have one hundred VIPs please remove some [TS]

  VIPs and try again now is made me [TS]

  furious because just to start with this [TS]

  is such this is such like an apple ii [TS]

  message like this like this there's [TS]

  something that's like the idea of Apple [TS]

  knows best for you which is always [TS]

  frustrating that is embodied in this [TS]

  idea because I look at that message and [TS]

  i think is there some kind of physical [TS]

  limits to to vips right like why why [TS]

  have you decided i'm only allowed to [TS]

  have one hundred i don't think there's [TS]

  any real reason for this this this [TS]

  number is obviously clearly selected by [TS]

  a human [TS]

  it's not even a case where like you try [TS]

  to add a VIP and you get an error which [TS]

  says like no into value limit reached [TS]

  255 VIPs max right which is like okay [TS]

  someone programmed this and just never [TS]

  conceived of the idea that someone would [TS]

  have more than 255 VIPs and it's just [TS]

  like a bug in a sense like know there [TS]

  was a meeting somewhere and Apple where [TS]

  they sat down and they said how many [TS]

  VIPs are we going to allow people to [TS]

  have [TS]

  100 no one will ever need more than 100 [TS]

  VIPs great that's what we've decided [TS]

  end of discussion and that kind of stuff [TS]

  just infuriates me like a totally [TS]

  artificial no reason for it [TS]

  limit i love the way it's written a [TS]

  maximum of 100 VIPs is allowed [TS]

  please remove any unused the IPS and try [TS]

  again [TS]

  my favorite was allowed and unused right [TS]

  like allowed allowed who are you [TS]

  computer like what what are you doing [TS]

  and then just it just the presumption [TS]

  that you can't have more than a hundred [TS]

  surely there must be some that are [TS]

  unused yeah there's that there's no [TS]

  reason for this [TS]

  so okay so now people are wondering how [TS]

  did I get here [TS]

  yeah i still think that like even though [TS]

  this is this extremely thing that that [TS]

  is being coded in i still think that you [TS]

  are doing it wrong that's yeah i can [TS]

  think and feel the judgment and the [TS]

  blame and therefore act like it okay so [TS]

  okay so here's because when this happens [TS]

  i have had like this this tale of woe [TS]

  with email stretching back close to six [TS]

  months now we're essentially at the [TS]

  start of my summer travels before i went [TS]

  to WWDC before i went to VidCon but I [TS]

  was just getting on the plane to go to [TS]

  America and start doing a bunch of stuff [TS]

  family reunions all the rest of this i [TS]

  have been terrible at email starting at [TS]

  that point so much so that I essentially [TS]

  went the entire summer without really [TS]

  looking at email in any significant way [TS]

  and then came back at some point in [TS]

  September and had an overwhelming number [TS]

  of emails to reply to just thousands and [TS]

  thousands of messages this is like that [TS]

  you know after after being filtered out [TS]

  you know trying to sort out for [TS]

  important stuff just like an incredible [TS]

  amount of off the resulting yeah I don't [TS]

  know yeah now this is always like this [TS]

  is there's a situation like when you [TS]

  have problems in life [TS]

  problems always happen in these ways [TS]

  that end up compounding each other and [TS]

  so that the problem that happened which [TS]

  which was compounding is that upgraded [TS]

  to iOS 10 and under iOS 10 my favorite [TS]

  email application which is the perfect [TS]

  one to deal with this problem [TS]

  uni box is a little buggy and weird [TS]

  right [TS]

  there's some problems loading messages [TS]

  there's some problem sending replies and [TS]

  it's like this is the exact worst [TS]

  situation to try to use this under right [TS]

  like that the application is going to be [TS]

  under an unusual amount of stress with [TS]

  it with an unusually large number of [TS]

  messages i contacted the developers they [TS]

  say the working on a fix but it doesn't [TS]

  change the fact that like it hasn't been [TS]

  available to me for the last couple [TS]

  months and when an email problem gets so [TS]

  enormous it's also just very hard to [TS]

  psychologically even deal with it's like [TS]

  maybe it'll just go away right maybe if [TS]

  I just don't pay any attention to this [TS]

  it'll disappear [TS]

  turns out is not true there is an [TS]

  element of it will you know some people [TS]

  would just stop trying [TS]

  yeah but then more people will try so [TS]

  what I have been falling back on is [TS]

  trying to just use the regular built in [TS] it in terms of replying stuff [TS]

  because it's like I can't fully trust [TS]

  the app that I want to use right now I [TS]

  want to try to burn through this is as [TS]

  most reliably as i can like this is a [TS]

  case where reliability is going to [TS]

  matter more than speed so I'm trying to [TS]

  get through mail and I've also been [TS]

  trying to essentially make mail as close [TS]

  to uni boxes i can which is male allows [TS]

  you to have this special email inbox [TS]

  that shows you just messages from your [TS]

  VIPs and the way I want to use that is [TS]

  i'm trying to filter out messages [TS]

  essentially from people I know and [TS]

  people i don't know which again is a I [TS]

  understand it's a very particular [TS]

  problem for someone in my position like [TS]

  this is not really a general-purpose [TS]

  problem but nonetheless what I really [TS]

  want VIPs to be in mail when im using it [TS]

  is essentially my address book if [TS]

  there's anybody [TS]

  you put in my address book i want to be [TS]

  able to pull their messages out [TS]

  separately from the sea of messages and [TS]

  so that's why I've been going through [TS]

  and essentially VIP eating every single [TS]

  person I know who replies and i'm also [TS]

  in the unusual position of having a sort [TS]

  of a large group of acquaintances who I [TS]

  want to have their messages elevated [TS]

  above as well so for example like I met [TS]

  a bunch of people at VidCon and they'll [TS]

  send they send like a follow-up message [TS]

  and said okay great i want to put this [TS]

  person in the VIP system we probably [TS]

  won't email very frequently but maybe [TS]

  six months down the road they're going [TS]

  to send me a message about a thing and i [TS]

  would rather not have them in the same [TS]

  group with like random people that I [TS]

  don't know and this exact situation just [TS]

  happened with the exact person who I was [TS]

  actually trying to mark as a VIP when [TS]

  that message came up like someone sent [TS]

  me a message a while ago and I thought [TS]

  I'm not going to be in regular contact [TS]

  with this person but I still want their [TS]

  message above the fray [TS]

  I couldn't go to mark them as a VIP know [TS]

  you're not allowed and then you know a [TS]

  couple days ago they happen to send me a [TS]

  question about a thing it's like I saw [TS]

  it but it wasn't filtered the way I [TS]

  wanted it to be so this is this is how i [TS]

  have ended up in this position and it is [TS]

  extra frustrating because it is a [TS]

  totally artificial totally pointless [TS]

  limit that is built into the mail [TS]

  application for no reason [TS]

  isn't this a thing a human could do [TS]

  isn't this something your assistant [TS]

  could do like he just have a list of [TS]

  people I guess there's a lot to check [TS]

  isn't it like check every email that you [TS]

  receive against the list [TS]

  yeah this is like this is a very [TS]

  different thing what i did when i came [TS]

  back from the summer was i did a kind of [TS]

  super triage of my inbox of trying to go [TS]

  through and find all of the genuinely [TS]

  urgent stuff that there was to deal with [TS]

  and essentially took aside two days to [TS]

  be like I'm just doing email and I'm [TS]

  just going through a bunch of this stuff [TS]

  and so I cleared out a bunch of things [TS]

  from there but the backlog is just so [TS]

  incredibly huge that that the rest of it [TS]

  is very hard to deal with and then i'm [TS]

  having like random stuff come in and I'm [TS]

  just missing it because im using mail [TS]

  because i'm not seeing everybody in my [TS]

  contacts [TS]

  and then you know the whole bunch of [TS]

  other stuff and I was gripped by mania [TS]

  for the video that i want to produce [TS]

  there's just been a whole bunch of [TS]

  compounding problems that have led me in [TS]

  a situation where it's like a i am very [TS]

  sad about email [TS]

  I'm very sad about email that's where i [TS]

  am giving more VIP sample not too much [TS]

  to ask [TS]

  that's really not gonna solve your [TS]

  problem now it's totally as bad as that [TS]

  is the bottleneck here [TS]

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  hashtags cortex questions [TS]

  hello it's been awhile is this the one [TS]

  okay we got a new intro for the segment [TS]

  hello hello Elaine what is your question [TS]

  Elaine asks what is great do and his [TS]

  assistant is on vacation [TS]

  is there a backup or is he on his own I [TS]

  thought it was fascinating because it [TS]

  never crossed my mind before clearly [TS]

  your assistant can't work on everything [TS]

  forever [TS]

  what do you do my assistant has some [TS]

  assistants who become my assistant when [TS]

  she's on vacation you have one assistant [TS]

  no no two assistants because one is none [TS]

  right exactly [TS]

  that's perfect that's such a great [TS]

  solution [TS]

  it doesn't surprise me that this is [TS]

  something that you needed like that you [TS]

  would have gone through this already [TS]

  like no oh yeah i will be no break it [TS]

  totally came up this summer when I was [TS]

  traveling it turned out that i didn't [TS]

  actually need to call on the additional [TS]

  assistant but I just I wanted to have [TS]

  someone available if there was some kind [TS]

  of problem that i was unable to deal [TS]

  with ya and that that and that's all [TS]

  that was like a fallback of you know the [TS]

  situation I was trying to avoid is i'm [TS]

  at some family event where I can't take [TS]

  away time for business stuff i really [TS]

  don't want to but maybe there's some [TS]

  kind of problem like i just i need there [TS]

  to be someone who i can at least have as [TS]

  an option to call on for some help maybe [TS]

  they won't be able to do anything but [TS]

  just knowing that there was someone who [TS]

  might be able to help in a situation [TS]

  where i might be pressed on time that [TS]

  was that was a thing that I definitely [TS]

  want to have set up so my assistant has [TS]

  an assistant who was my assistant when [TS]

  she was on vacation this summer [TS]

  mm okay that makes sense [TS]

  Jordan said that they were real [TS]

  listening to cortex number 10 long time [TS]

  ago [TS]

  yeah you mentioned that you would use [TS]

  omnigraffle potentially for animations [TS]

  of Apple ever released a large ipad in [TS]

  the stylist who they did that [TS]

  oh yeah did you do that no i did not do [TS]

  about no I think the main thing that [TS]

  changed is she to you by that point [TS]

  you'd basically started transition away [TS]

  from animate yourself [TS]

  yeah when we would have first discussed [TS]

  this i was in a different sort of [TS]

  transition which was transitioning from [TS]

  Mac to iOS largely which is mostly done [TS]

  at this point i think it's it's very [TS]

  unlikely i could transition more to iOS [TS]

  that i currently have and so at that [TS]

  stage I was really trying to think about [TS]

  and look for an animation solution on my [TS]

  ipad now two things I think are [TS]

  interesting it is is that even now [TS]

  however long it's been since we record [TS]

  that episode there is nothing available [TS]

  for the iPad pro that could be an [TS]

  adequate solution to what I really [TS]

  wanted like that still doesn't exist and [TS]

  every once in a while I check in on the [TS]

  like how is the animation illustration [TS]

  world doing on ipad right and it's like [TS]

  it's an interesting world that there's a [TS]

  bunch of tools that's all very narrow [TS]

  problems but there's nothing that's a [TS]

  general purpose solution and I kind of [TS]

  wonder like what's what's going on there [TS]

  what's happening in that world so what's [TS]

  the general solution on the mac is that [TS]

  inkscape that you consider there's a [TS]

  bunch of there's a bunch of different [TS]

  tools i personally was using inkscape [TS]

  but you could do the same things with [TS]

  illustrator you know you have tools like [TS]

  Final Cut Pro and after I felt like [TS]

  there's a bunch of things that you can [TS]

  use to solve this problem and I think [TS]

  right now on iOS it would still be just [TS]

  incredibly time-consuming or very very [TS]

  difficult to actually do a serious [TS]

  amount of [TS]

  animation work on that platform again [TS]

  there's a lot there's a lot of like [TS]

  particular things that you can do but [TS]

  less general-purpose solutions so so [TS]

  it's it's it's interesting sitting here [TS]

  now and having someone bring up a thing [TS]

  from the past and realizing like oh that [TS]

  that was a different problem that passed [TS]

  gray was dealing with that wouldn't have [TS]

  even been solved if he had stuck with it [TS]

  and he instead went down a different [TS]

  path which is now working with an [TS]

  animator that which is as a as a slight [TS]

  sidebar here i'm now in the process of [TS]

  trying to learn after effects for the [TS]

  computer because this is the system that [TS]

  I'm transitioning to away from xscape [TS]

  and final cut pro and instead working [TS]

  with the adobe suite of applications to [TS]

  do animations partly because they're [TS]

  better for working in a group and partly [TS]

  because I think they're just a generally [TS]

  better solution what I well I had [TS]

  cobbled together for myself over the [TS]

  past few years so you looking to move [TS]

  into after effects and premier moving to [TS]

  after effects from Final Cut Pro oh [TS]

  interesting huh [TS]

  this is partly because of your animator [TS]

  this is partly because this is the tool [TS]

  the animator is using it's also partly [TS]

  because i know people who are running [TS]

  serious animation outputs on after [TS]

  effects and I've seen and I so I've been [TS]

  able to see behind the scenes like how [TS]

  does this work and it has some really [TS]

  really good solutions for some of the [TS]

  things that I'm trying to do so i think [TS]

  it's probably the best tool for what I [TS]

  am trying to accomplish [TS]

  yeah I guess final cut is really fitting [TS]

  setting video together final cut is a [TS]

  fantastic program but its core skill is [TS]

  really stitching together pre-existing [TS]

  clips of video like let's say for [TS]

  example you wanted to start a vlog with [TS]

  a little but def final cut is exactly [TS]

  the tool that you would probably want to [TS]

  get started with because i think it's [TS]

  really easy [TS]

  it's really intuitive you can do a [TS]

  tremendous amount in it but it is also [TS]

  just [TS]

  so not designed for animation right this [TS]

  is like clearly not its skill set [TS]

  whereas after effects is much more [TS]

  designed for animation I mean that there [TS]

  are some things that that actually that [TS]

  rules for rulers videos is a really good [TS]

  example of there were a couple of [TS]

  changes that we made at the last [TS]

  possible second to the video in after [TS]

  effects that would have just never ever [TS]

  ever been possible with final cut pro [TS]

  like the morning of we actually ended up [TS]

  changing the background that was used in [TS]

  the video which might normally be like a [TS]

  relatively simple thing to do except for [TS]

  the fact that i have this this weird [TS]

  thing that people sometimes tune into [TS]

  and sometimes don't but the stick [TS]

  figures that i use almost always their [TS]

  heads are actually transparent [TS]

  I don't like to fill in the heads with [TS]

  any color but so this means that there [TS]

  has to be like an artificial background [TS]

  behind some of their heads in some of [TS]

  the scenes and that that kind of thing [TS]

  it's like man if I had done this in [TS]

  Final Cut Pro changing the background [TS]

  would be another 20 hours of work [TS]

  whereas with the tool that is designed [TS]

  much more specifically for animation [TS]

  it's not nothing but it is way easier to [TS]

  do because the application natively [TS]

  understand like this is an animation [TS]

  that this is an animated molasses-like [TS]

  here are the different properties of [TS]

  this animatable asset so I'm just [TS]

  beginning to get into after effects and [TS]

  that's that's what I'm taking a look at [TS]

  as almost certainly the future of how [TS]

  the videos are going to be produced [TS]

  hmm this is interesting because i have [TS]

  been very tempted by the microsoft [TS]

  studio [TS]

  which is Microsoft's new kind of desktop [TS]

  that they've made it's like a 28 inch [TS]

  screen on a pivot which you can bring [TS]

  down in front of you and it has native [TS]

  stylus support that's the one that the [TS]

  one that folds down it has little thing [TS]

  on the screen [TS]

  I've just seen that one video clip [TS]

  everywhere yeah it looks like an imac [TS]

  and you can grab the screen and bring it [TS]

  down in front of you and it's like a [TS]

  drafting table [TS]

  yeah that not only does it look like an [TS]

  imac it looks exactly like something [TS]

  Apple should have produced but didn't [TS]

  but now I said that like that computer [TS]

  is like the perfect form factor for the [TS]

  way that I work on my mac with final cut [TS]

  and with logic of using the pen stylus [TS]

  interactive it and i believe if i was a [TS]

  user of Adobe's product i would be very [TS]

  tempted to use that machine instead of [TS]

  my imac because it lets my movement more [TS]

  in the way that I had it with gestures [TS]

  on the trackpad and Pentonville fine [TS]

  motion you are moving to something like [TS]

  adobe suite of products [TS]

  who would you be more tempted to try [TS]

  something like this because we we both [TS]

  headed in the same way and this would be [TS]

  like direct on-screen manipulation of [TS]

  the work as opposed to augmenting it to [TS]

  a stylist and pad next year I mean it as [TS]

  crazy as it sounds in some ways like yes [TS]

  it is totally a tempting interesting [TS]

  thing especially because of the way mean [TS]

  use our max like function machines for [TS]

  us the mac is like this is this is a [TS]

  toaster right is a machine that does a [TS]

  particular thing and I don't really care [TS]

  about it outside of that particular [TS]

  thing and in addition this gets over one [TS]

  of the main problems i'm always talking [TS]

  about which is transition costs [TS]

  I was like well the transition costs of [TS]

  learning a new way of animating is [TS]

  something that I have to go through [TS]

  anyway like I have to pay that price now [TS]

  but if I'm switching to a tool that is [TS]

  actually cross-platform well then it [TS]

  matters way less like what is the [TS]

  operating system running [TS]

  underneath it i get in at that [TS]

  perspective it's like well this [TS]

  Microsoft computer from my production [TS]

  perspective is essentially just and [TS]

  adobe machine right it's the machine [TS]

  that runs adobe stuff and it's it's [TS]

  funny you mention that because if it's [TS]

  been vaguely crossing my mind of like [TS]

  well i'm using logic to edit all my [TS]

  podcasts but I think adobe has some kind [TS]

  of audio editing tool into its cool [TS]

  audition yeah like maybe I should look [TS]

  into that like I've heard it's much [TS]

  better for doing podcasts and me and you [TS]

  know what the only the only roadblock in [TS]

  that is that's you Mike if the other [TS]

  person I work with who we need to share [TS]

  compatible file formats but it's it's [TS]

  like it's just a thing like you can see [TS]

  how if I'm transitioning to a layer [TS]

  above the operating system for my [TS]

  production stuff then it totally makes a [TS]

  transition to Windows way more likely [TS]

  for a production machine right like I [TS]

  will always personally be using iOS [TS]

  devices and so be personally much more [TS]

  connected into the Apple operating [TS]

  system but I i can very easily imagine [TS]

  having an office in the future where I [TS]

  have a machine that is an Adobe machine [TS]

  and then something interesting like this [TS]

  Microsoft drafting table makes that a [TS]

  much more tempting option than otherwise [TS]

  maybe Mike learns adobe audition I usual [TS]

  edition for a few things processing wise [TS]

  like pre-processing of audio and some of [TS]

  the stuff that does is brilliant blue [TS]

  I don't understand how to edit using it [TS]

  I got it looked at it and I just can't [TS]

  get it it's like it it doesn't just [TS]

  transfer easily to my brain [TS]

  maybe one day maybe I'll learn i'll give [TS]

  you a crash course the only way I'm ever [TS]

  moving this show to after effects is if [TS]

  you do provide a training course for me [TS]

  just so you know same as when i took the [TS]

  videos over you made that great little [TS]

  screen Causton and everything was great [TS]

  news will find who knows that we're [TS]

  running the show on windows in here [TS]

  can you imagine [TS]

  the reddit would be happy at least know [TS]

  but you know but you don't understand [TS]

  you don't look it [TS]

  listen use the key thing you're never [TS]

  going to make the people on the internet [TS]

  happy [TS]

  oh yeah because we had make the people [TS]

  happy that say we should switch to the [TS]

  surface but then we just upset all the [TS]

  people that use macross exactly right [TS]

  that's all that happens like all you're [TS]

  ever doing is trading one group of angry [TS]

  people for another group of angry people [TS]

  so if you use apple stuff you're gonna [TS]

  hear from all the windows people if you [TS]

  use Windows you're going to hear from [TS]

  all the Apple people right so it's it's [TS]

  it's not about them Mike about you and [TS]

  what do you want to do [TS]

  alright alright there's a bunch of [TS]

  questions that come from that came from [TS]

  12-5 37 on reddit great read it name [TS]

  that matter questions about this show [TS]

  when i get these every now and then like [TS]

  one or two of them but this individual [TS]

  just gave a bunch so I think it might [TS]

  answer a lot of questions and all make [TS]

  more questions who knows but it might at [TS]

  least 25 people who are interested in [TS]

  this stuff like about cortex so they [TS]

  start with what is the usual time spent [TS]

  recording an episode [TS]

  this is the most interesting part to me [TS]

  because we probably record for on [TS]

  average about four hours we were on the [TS]

  phone together [TS]

  would you agree that feel about right [TS]

  there feels about right sometimes it's [TS]

  less but sometimes it's not six [TS]

  yeah i'm not exaggerating [TS]

  that is not an exaggeration not an [TS]

  exaggeration at all but do you want to [TS]

  explain to the people why it is that [TS]

  it's four or six hours when they're [TS]

  listening to a show that maybe an hour [TS]

  and 22 yahoo hours long [TS]

  I feel like we should because otherwise [TS]

  people going to ask for all of it there [TS]

  is a probably on average about 45 to 60 [TS]

  minutes before the show begins where [TS]

  we're booting up [TS]

  yeah right where we are just like [TS]

  preparing for the show like this is the [TS]

  stuff we're going to talk about a lot of [TS]

  the time we'll look at the document [TS]

  together that that we prepared a more [TS]

  trim or rearrange then there's just like [TS]

  a little bit is gas in we're just [TS]

  getting ready then about 15 minutes of [TS]

  saying I'm ready now are you ready now [TS]

  yes I'm ready [TS]

  are you ready now we do that a bunch [TS]

  then you'll go get another coffee sure [TS]

  usually done by that point they're [TS]

  usually breaks in the middle that we [TS]

  take one day we took like a two hour [TS]

  break in the middle brother with and [TS]

  then usually after the show's done this [TS]

  is a bit decompressing time it it's not [TS]

  interesting in any way but it exists [TS]

  yeah I find interesting like i don't i [TS]

  don't have this with anything else but [TS]

  there is a kind of we were actually [TS]

  discussing it today to start sort of [TS]

  unrelated to this but for this show [TS]

  I don't know what it is but and we both [TS]

  agree that this is the case that we kind [TS]

  of feel like we need to talk to each [TS]

  other about nothing in particular for a [TS]

  while [TS]

  yeah before either of us is kind of set [TS]

  to go [TS]

  mhm and and that's it that's a strange [TS]

  thing like it doesn't happen to me with [TS]

  other things you know you said you don't [TS]

  have the same thing with other shows [TS]

  i I don't I don't know what it is but [TS]

  for some reason I know that I i could [TS]

  not possibly just walk into an episode [TS]

  cold that they're there is this phase of [TS]

  warming up that is absolutely required [TS]

  and sometimes is hilariously long and [TS]

  when you're saying about the there comes [TS]

  a moment were both saying like are you [TS]

  ready are you ready I am always aware of [TS]

  how often we then have another little [TS]

  diversion after that point it's like all [TS]

  the recording equipment setup like okay [TS]

  we're great in theory we should start [TS]

  the show at that moment but one or the [TS]

  other of us just brings up something [TS]

  that we end up talking about for a while [TS]

  it is really strange and it is why [TS]

  honestly i set my entire day like [TS]

  nothing else will go in the diary on [TS]

  thursdays because it it this to it just [TS]

  takes that amount of time and I'm really [TS]

  proud of the show and I believe that it [TS]

  takes six hours for us to get 90 minutes [TS]

  and if that's what it takes and then [TS]

  i'll keep giving it that [TS]

  yeah and that's why this can be on the [TS]

  easy way for you is like this is the [TS]

  only thing that you have to do you know [TS]

  you know it's the single got that right [TS]

  your task quiet week super quiet week [TS]

  super quiet week [TS]

  how long is the gap usually between [TS]

  recording and posting so typically we [TS]

  record on Thursday and release them on [TS]

  monday [TS]

  typically if we don't release on monday [TS]

  it's probably been 24 hours since [TS]

  recorded attention to me the way that it [TS]

  goes right like we're recording this [TS]

  it's thursday and our will probably be [TS]

  out friday because if it's if we haven't [TS]

  because we're late we're super light [TS]

  like we really like this week like a [TS]

  weekly at this point I'm but yeah that [TS]

  tends to be how it goes right we'd be [TS]

  kind of get it out over a weekend mostly [TS]

  yeah i feel like these these are the two [TS]

  modes there's Mike is happy with the [TS]

  schedule mode which is we record on [TS]

  Thursday and it goes up on monday and [TS]

  then there's oh no we need a cortex and [TS]

  there was some reason why the regular [TS]

  schedule didn't work and then because in [TS]

  particular like your schedule is very [TS]

  booked it hard for you to necessarily [TS]

  find time to record like a random other [TS]

  show that's going to suck up your entire [TS]

  day that yes otherwise we have shows [TS]

  they're like recorded one day and then [TS]

  put up the next day and admit this show [TS]

  is going to be that case and the the [TS]

  previous one recorder was the same as [TS]

  well I think rightly recorded it and [TS]

  then it was up the following day I don't [TS]

  even know anymore [TS]

  yeah I'm pretty sure the the last one [TS]

  was a was up at less than 24 hours after [TS]

  record it so so if those are the two [TS]

  focus with the two ways that this is [TS]

  done but I much prefer the other way [TS]

  because what's going to happen today is [TS]

  we will finish recording i will take a [TS]

  break for an hour and then I will listen [TS]

  back to what we just recorded that's [TS]

  tough man that's tough to relive the [TS]

  conversation you just had but yeah I [TS]

  have specific for anyone who who doesn't [TS]

  do this kind of work like I i have had [TS]

  to do that with podcasts a number of [TS]

  times where it's like you just spent [TS]

  three hours recording and now you have [TS]

  to edit you talking for the previous [TS]

  three hours [TS]

  is it is not fun I get it is not fun at [TS]

  all [TS]

  i partly partly because you don't [TS]

  necessarily have a lot of distance from [TS]

  the conversation that you have just had [TS]

  and so it i think it is much harder to [TS]

  work to edit immediately after it is and [TS]

  I find when I do that I am vastly more [TS]

  aware of all the kind of of ways that [TS]

  conversations go when you're not good at [TS]

  explaining yourself like you think you [TS]

  said a thing in a correct way and you [TS]

  realize like oh I actually did a [TS]

  terrible job explaining what i was [TS]

  trying to say I I find if I editor show [TS]

  immediately after recording all of that [TS]

  stuff is way worse like I'm just much [TS]

  more aware of it and it is harder [TS]

  because you don't have a little bit of [TS]

  distance from the show itself if anyone [TS]

  ever record the podcast out there the [TS]

  edited later i really recommend giving [TS]

  it at least one day like 11 sleep cycle [TS]

  before you go into the editing process I [TS]

  think that really helps just to give [TS]

  yourself a little bit of distance from [TS]

  the thing that you've just made so I'll [TS]

  addendum here which is it depends on the [TS]

  show so all of pretty much all of my [TS]

  other shows they're posted on the same [TS]

  day that they're recorded but I added [TS]

  them differently so that's it that's a [TS]

  very different editing priority for work [TS]

  for that was supposed to say with one of [TS]

  my shows like connected or upgrade their [TS]

  like news focus shows the way that i [TS]

  added those shows as whilst i'm [TS]

  recording i take notes of the parts that [TS]

  need to be fixed you know maybe we [TS]

  talked over each other or right with [TS]

  somebody kind of stumbled a little bit [TS]

  and then I'll go in and I'll just fix [TS]

  those specific parts so i can add it a [TS]

  90-minute show in 15-20 minutes because [TS]

  we're doing is just cleaning out [TS]

  specific parts of the way that we added [TS]

  this show which is the next question is [TS]

  how long does the editing process take [TS]

  and with this show and I do this with [TS]

  maybe one or two other shows [TS]

  I and we listened to the whole show and [TS]

  edit all of the audio so this can be [TS]

  like restructuring things cutting parts [TS]

  out snipping outwards cutting out on [TS]

  some arse and stuff like that there is a [TS]

  very different style of editing and it [TS]

  is nice to have a break between those [TS]

  and for me one of the benefits i have [TS]

  from the break is let's say I take like [TS]

  a day or two before [TS]

  back to it it just percolates my brain a [TS]

  little bit and i'll just be like i'll be [TS]

  doing something and a part of the [TS]

  conversation will pop into my brain and [TS]

  I'll be like yeah I'm going to cut that [TS]

  bit blue it's red and then when i come [TS]

  back to it [TS]

  I've already had the thoughts and it's [TS]

  easier for me to do it but when i'm just [TS]

  going straight back in again I have to [TS]

  make a lot of those decisions as they're [TS]

  happening which is a bit trickier for me [TS]

  yeah that is the number one benefit that [TS]

  you get from time away from a project is [TS]

  it's easier to recognize what parts [TS]

  don't belong which actually to tie this [TS]

  back to the very thing that was talking [TS]

  about in the beginning is part of the [TS]

  reason why like that one of the videos [TS]

  are released the three electoral college [TS]

  video games not as good and I can see [TS]

  it's not as good because I never had any [TS]

  time away from that to realize like oh I [TS]

  can restructure this and move this [TS]

  around her like this thing in the [TS]

  beginning is obviously like nobody cares [TS]

  why you even talking about it right when [TS]

  you're just doing a thing immediately [TS]

  its way harder to see that and so yeah [TS]

  I'm I'll back it up entirely like more [TS]

  distance between the editing and [TS]

  creation phase results in better [TS]

  products by far then I do think it's [TS]

  funny that you don't take notes for this [TS]

  show about what needs fixing because you [TS]

  know ways like all of it needs fixed [TS]

  right you know you're recording it in a [TS]

  very different way that there's a [TS]

  there's a reason all of my shows are [TS]

  done in this kind of very heavy editing [TS]

  intense fashion because I'm not [TS]

  necessarily the best extemporaneous [TS]

  speaker in the world and so like this [TS]

  this helps make the show easier for the [TS]

  listener to digest right rather than [TS]

  easier for the producer to produce that [TS]

  is a self-fulfilling in a way that the [TS]

  extemporaneous part because you lean [TS]

  into the fact that you know the edits [TS]

  happening this is a subconscious thing [TS]

  because for example i am way worse [TS]

  extemporaneously talking on this show [TS]

  than any of my other shows because i [TS]

  know there's something in the back of my [TS]

  brain that tells me it could just be [TS]

  fixed later i need to cut myself on this [TS]

  show in ways that doesn't happen on my [TS]

  other shows little it's very strange but [TS]

  it's like yeah this is what it is and I [TS]

  prefer the show cut that [TS]

  I but it is a strange thing that my [TS]

  brain does it's like maybe two or three [TS]

  shows that i do where somebody will [TS]

  listen before it's done and and I am way [TS]

  was at expressing myself and no shows in [TS]

  a coherent manner [TS]

  yeah i mean this is this is this is a [TS]

  whole other topic for a whole other time [TS]

  but there's there is a huge difference [TS]

  between producing something live when [TS]

  you know an audience is listening and [TS]

  producing something when you know that [TS]

  it is not live and it is going to be [TS]

  heavily edited later and I think that my [TS]

  skill sets do not line up very well with [TS]

  the live production and line up much [TS]

  better with the heavy post-production [TS]

  and that that's part of the way i do [TS]

  that this way there is only one time [TS]

  that mean you have recorded life right [TS]

  that's right when we did the when you're [TS]

  part of the real icon connected event [TS]

  that we did with in san francisco and it [TS]

  wasn't cortex [TS]

  yeah it was something completely [TS]

  different yeah go to the link in the [TS]

  show notes for anyone who hasn't heard [TS]

  that to hear a totally different version [TS]

  of me in public [TS]

  it was effectively cortex life it was [TS]

  like a totally different thing it was a [TS]

  performance it was very strange it was [TS]

  that good but totally different to the [TS]

  show yeah and then and had a mic totally [TS]

  on edge the whole time I was railroaded [TS]

  yeah it wasn't able to me and not [TS]

  necessarily think I want to reproduce [TS]

  all the time [TS]

  no i got like my heart can't take that [TS]

  I've been only what you're going to do [TS]

  is terrifying but the question from [TS]

  contours how long is the editing process [TS]

  take now for me and it takes effectively [TS]

  two minutes to every minute that you [TS]

  here right [TS]

  so if it is an hour long it took me [TS]

  about two hours to do and that's kind of [TS]

  like a good average so it takes me about [TS]

  twice the amount of time to get the Edit [TS]

  done [TS]

  whoo yeah then when you're done with the [TS]

  Edit it's passed to me through dropbox [TS]

  for editing in logic and I do another [TS]

  listen through and because you have done [TS]

  the heavy lifting in the edit it [TS]

  probably takes me about a minute in 10 [TS]

  seconds on average for every minute of [TS]

  actual content so I'm i mostly listening [TS]

  through to the show and making a few [TS]

  minor changes or cutting out a few [TS]

  things but it's it's not remotely the [TS]

  amount of work that you're doing and [TS]

  that's that's why it can take me much [TS]

  less time to do the other than it takes [TS]

  you to do besides youtube uploading what [TS]

  is the least liked part of creating and [TS]

  posting an episode with your answer to [TS]

  this mic for me is the actual posting of [TS]

  the audio nothing's ever gone wrong but [TS]

  eventually it will and the fact that [TS]

  we've posted this will be the 40th time [TS]

  and there's never been a disaster means [TS]

  it's only getting closer until the point [TS]

  where like the audio is out of sync or [TS]

  something like that and it doesn't [TS]

  matter i notice matter how many times I [TS]

  check it which i do many many times [TS]

  eventually I'm going to get it wrong [TS]

  that's yours part it is like the [TS]

  immediate 30 minutes after posting to [TS]

  just wait if I did it wrong [TS]

  yeah it is so easy to mess up at the [TS]

  last second when you doing in exports [TS]

  for do like what especially with our [TS]

  like insane house of cards that we set [TS]

  because recently we've come across this [TS]

  bug that when gray sends me back the [TS]

  audio there's like this horrific noise [TS]

  gate compression put on it I have to fix [TS]

  and we cannot look out why this is [TS]

  happening but it is and it's like this [TS]

  is all these little things that we are [TS]

  using logic in a way that it shouldn't [TS]

  be used with like two people working on [TS]

  the same file like yeah it is obviously [TS]

  not designed for this and we have [TS]

  obviously run into bugs where it's like [TS]

  there's something about the fact that [TS]

  we're sharing this file that is messing [TS]

  it up and so-and-so listeners if one day [TS]

  my voice sounds like terrible quality in [TS]

  the podcast you know what happened right [TS]

  is like this this thing that we have to [TS]

  manually fix each time that we can't [TS]

  figure out why it occurs like we missed [TS]

  it this time like that's it's just going [TS]

  to happen it's going to happen one of [TS]

  these days now like these little things [TS]

  that we have to do where we have to [TS]

  confirm to each other the size of the [TS]

  file present backwards and forwards [TS]

  because it's just yeah we're we're [TS]

  really kind of stretching it to its to [TS]

  its limit [TS]

  yeah it shouldn't be used this way we [TS]

  should probably be switching to [TS]

  something like the adobe suite maybe [TS]

  basic collaborative audio editing i [TS]

  doubt it they do they have a whole [TS]

  section 14 projects for the various yeah [TS]

  really well we could talk about it later [TS]

  oh ok then well my is just picked up i [TS]

  was just investigating this morning but [TS]

  they have a whole section for [TS]

  cloud-based collaboration project [TS]

  between teams [TS]

  ok we can add it at the same time [TS]

  oh can you imagine well I've been a [TS]

  nightmare [TS]

  let's not do that what's your least like [TS]

  pop my least favorite part is that you [TS]

  are a slave driver with the schedule III [TS]

  I I don't like schedules that's not [TS]

  clear to my audience by now I don't know [TS]

  what could possibly make it more clear [TS]

  but good god do I not like schedules I [TS]

  think schedules are antique creative I [TS]

  just personally don't like them and Mike [TS]

  over here is a task driver he's always [TS]

  got the whip out he's like it's time to [TS]

  record another cortex always like we [TS]

  just recorded a cortex and he's like no [TS]

  it's actually been two weeks but there's [TS]

  something about the like the regular [TS]

  newness of it that it really does slowly [TS]

  drive me crazy you need me alive inside [TS]

  okay i think the show's battle for it [TS]

  how silent shows more frequent for it [TS]

  that's for sure [TS]

  what are some backstage horror stories [TS]

  about the creation of anything cortex [TS]

  related i think you have to answer this [TS]

  because from my perspective everything [TS]

  is smooth but that's because i do a [TS]

  vastly smaller portion of the work [TS]

  alright well i have one ok there was an [TS]

  episode recorded last summer I think it [TS]

  was the one before we were complaining [TS]

  about how hard it was it was there was [TS]

  one episode where mean you spent an [TS]

  amount of time complaining about the [TS]

  heat now you because I wouldn't let you [TS]

  have your air conditioning on because [TS]

  yeah the episode the week before i think [TS]

  it was in our first 10 maybe or like [TS]

  that one previous you left your air [TS]

  conditioning on blue and it could be [TS]

  clearly heard in the audio and I tried [TS]

  to minimize that and I was trying to fix [TS]

  that edit from the early afternoon until [TS]

  about 2am trying to get the audio to be [TS]

  cleaner that will you give [TS]

  me and I have a very clear memory [TS]

  sitting downstairs in my current house [TS]

  on the sofa because i couldn't be in the [TS]

  bedroom anymore because edina was [TS]

  sleeping and I was sweating out of heat [TS]

  and frustration at 2am trying to make [TS]

  your audio possible that is the biggest [TS]

  horror story and that is why I will not [TS]

  like gray have the air-conditioning on [TS]

  anymore i can add that to my list at [TS]

  least favorite things about creating the [TS]

  show is that Mike won't let me run my [TS]

  air-conditioning while recording this is [TS]

  for you listener because that episode I [TS]

  hate the way that one sounds because you [TS]

  can hear the air conditioning and it [TS]

  cuts in and out every now and then it's [TS]

  oh it's terrible [TS]

  yeah but I was thirty percent more [TS]

  comfortable what happened [TS]

  haha good really good really hear the [TS]

  emotion in your voice there Mike it's [TS]

  just not if you like ninety percent more [TS]

  than maybe I could swing it [TS]

  thirty percent is not enough man ok [TS]

  on average how much of the wrong [TS]

  recording is posted as he says if you [TS]

  see 90-minute see that was like three [TS]

  and a half hours of stuff that's [TS]

  unusable [TS]

  yeah however i think we have a pretty [TS]

  good ratio of when we actually seriously [TS]

  start recording the show and when we [TS]

  seriously stop recording the show I [TS]

  think I mean that ratio has to be like [TS]

  ninety percent of what we record really [TS]

  for the show makes it in these days it's [TS]

  probably about max 10 minutes get cut [TS]

  whoo yeah we have a very focused show it [TS]

  when we begin but it and i think it [TS]

  the focus is hated by the fact that we [TS]

  have guests for a while [TS]

  yeah exactly because I believe in the [TS]

  show being focused because of the [TS]

  underlining thing that we're talking [TS]

  about which is productivity right into [TS]

  the way that we work in the way that [TS]

  people work i think having a focus show [TS]

  with a nice outline that feels right to [TS]

  me a little [TS]

  how do you feel I mean I i love the fact [TS]

  that you have a bunch of topics that you [TS]

  outline because again as as the theme [TS]

  with the entirety of the [TS]

  behind-the-scenes production of the show [TS]

  it means that i can do less which is one [TS]

  of the reasons why the show can exist in [TS]

  the first place [TS]

  this is the thing right like i will i [TS]

  will write the outline i will prepare i [TS]

  wore you know take the first edit post [TS]

  the show make the youtube video all you [TS]

  need to do is show up every second [TS]

  Thursday it's not hot in case you get [TS]

  dull listeners mike is driving at a [TS]

  thing that we've been talking about [TS]

  making is making a little points on the [TS]

  show only once every second Thursday you [TS]

  know you to show up every second [TS]

  Thursday and it's all taken care of some [TS]

  nice so frequent a peacoat xmas [TS]

  everybody okay [TS]