The Incomparable

223: Picking My Shorts


  we gather together to watch cheesy [TS]

  movies at Comedy Central on thanksgiving [TS]

  day at mystery science theater 3000 it's [TS]

  30 straight hours and it's called turkey [TS]

  day the incomparable number 223 [TS]

  November's went before you [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  incomparable podcast i am your host [TS]

  Jason smell and we're here to talk about [TS]

  classic television series we didn't [TS]

  tangent on the previous episode like 15 [TS]

  minutes we're all we did was talk about [TS]

  this but I i thought it would be fitting [TS]

  to give it its full do and fullness and [TS]

  therefore we're here to talk about [TS]

  mystery science theater 3000 show that [TS]

  you may remember from the dawn of time [TS]

  and if not it's on youtube and you can [TS]

  pretty much just go watch it there too [TS]

  if you like anyway joining me to talk [TS]

  about this excellent show from the past [TS]

  are the following steve what's hello hi [TS]

  Kiba jason scott McNulty I will kill you [TS]

  can do not co I kind of wish that you [TS]

  say and you not go and I could just do [TS]

  like the rattle thing in ping-pong balls [TS]

  whatever sure that the wisecracker pizza [TS]

  David jail or push the button Frank and [TS]

  Phillip Michaels and a list roll-call [TS]

  like to remind our audience if they [TS]

  could where applicable please turn down [TS]

  your lights and keep spreading the tape [TS]

  keep circulating the tapes [TS]

  that's for later yes that's for the end [TS]

  I don't know something something mr. B [TS]

  natural i am anyway uh so I this time is [TS]

  there for me it's always going to be [TS]

  tied to college because that was a that [TS]

  was in that era was it was a hit on [TS]

  Comedy Central and then I think just [TS]

  drifted away to spy channel through the [TS]

  end was there he hit on comedy central [TS]

  it basically kept them afloat during the [TS]

  early years it was programming [TS]

  programming programming like it was that [TS]

  Allan Havey yeah yeah yeah i was about [TS]

  to say that moment with Allen Havey show [TS]

  the shortest attention span theater with [TS]

  that Jon Stewart kid whatever happened [TS]

  to him and I know happens ahead [TS]

  isn't that amazing to think that there's [TS]

  a cable channel where your salvation is [TS]

  oh thank God we found a way to fill two [TS]

  hours yeah wasn't pretty much every [TS]

  cable channel it was originally aired on [TS]

  the comedy channel at the top once [TS]

  children there were two [TS]

  maple channels devoted strictly to [TS]

  accommodate that was hot huh man comes [TS]

  guaranteed to go down in flames just [TS]

  given the name and then they merged into [TS]

  one and they called The Comedy Central [TS]

  the house that puppets built mhm so arm [TS]

  I I i have no idea where to go with this [TS]

  should we just put on a shirt we just [TS]

  put on a bad movie and just talk over it [TS]

  couldn't be happier if this episode goes [TS]

  let's let's talk about stock [TS]

  recollections because it i agree that to [TS]

  me the reason that i adore mst3k so much [TS]

  is because it hit at I think the perfect [TS]

  time in my life which is obviously you [TS]

  know in the middle of college when there [TS]

  was a good chance that i would be a up [TS]

  and in some altered state of [TS]

  consciousness at midnight and protect [TS]

  which was the greatest thing ever by the [TS]

  way the fact that they put reruns of the [TS]

  show on every night at midnight and it [TS]

  ran that way for several years i think [TS]

  they ran through most of the third [TS]

  fourth fifth season that way and it was [TS]

  just this nice dependable soothing thing [TS]

  that was always on every night you could [TS]

  do you could expect it to be there [TS]

  whether you've been studying for finals [TS]

  or doing something else and it's just it [TS]

  its it hits that sweet spot when you're [TS]

  in college of its it's nice and [TS]

  irreverent you know it doesn't doesn't [TS]

  seem to care much for the the old [TS]

  Hollywood kind of whether this someone [TS]

  called sacred nature of some of these [TS]

  older films holder sci-fi films [TS]

  it's just a lot of fun when I when I [TS]

  first heard about the show and and [TS]

  someone was describing it to me I I [TS]

  thought it was it at a stupid idea [TS]

  because i know i know there is this is [TS]

  this is another example and they don't [TS]

  listen to fill about anything file [TS]

  Phil is not your your browsing rod for [TS]

  for good ideas because it they mentioned [TS]

  it well there's this they play this [TS]

  movie and the this guy and his robot [TS]

  puppets talk over it and I said but how [TS]

  can you hear the movie [TS]

  and then and then I actually you know [TS]

  saw an episode of the scales fell from [TS]

  my eyes like a robot puppet version of [TS]

  Saul on the road and uh yeah it's it [TS]

  like steve says it really in a way I we [TS]

  should have all realized what a great [TS]

  idea is because they they are doing the [TS]

  things that everyone does when they [TS]

  watch a terrible movie by themselves [TS]

  I which is make fun of it and and and [TS]

  say things out loud and try and crack up [TS]

  your friends and they just happened to [TS]

  be really funny [TS]

  uh-uh people with with puppets should [TS]

  say that I was a little reticent to [TS]

  check it out at first partially because [TS]

  i heard about the robot puppets which [TS]

  didn't really sound like my bag at the [TS]

  time no probably not but also because I [TS]

  remember something turning up on [TS]

  late-night TV several years previous [TS]

  which was I guess a comedy group called [TS]

  i want to say la conexión oh yeah you [TS]

  mad movies with the la conexión right [TS]

  and magic here and nick at nite's on on [TS]

  Sundays yes [TS]

  yeah and so I remember I remember seeing [TS]

  that and think i would spend some pretty [TS]

  funny stuff and these guys are just [TS]

  ripping them off which you know to some [TS]

  extent maybe they were I don't know it's [TS]

  not it's not such a genius idea that not [TS]

  one person are multiple people couldn't [TS]

  possibly have come up with it at the [TS]

  same time but it did get kind of keep me [TS]

  away initially and i think it was i [TS]

  believe it was Monty originally that [TS]

  told me about the show and I don't think [TS]

  i ever checked it out for maybe a year [TS]

  or two after he had mentioned how much [TS]

  credibility Monty had with ya now Monty [TS]

  Monty almost like strap me down in one [TS]

  of those clockwork orange chairs to walk [TS]

  it but that's that's really that's [TS]

  really shared experience isn't it [TS]

  because we are also remember that back [TS]

  then that was before everybody had cable [TS]

  TV if you had cable maybe your system [TS]

  did not have Comedy Central and so for [TS]

  me but my introduction that the mystery [TS]

  science theater 3000 was either i can't [TS]

  remember exactly was either literally [TS]

  circulating the tapes friends of mine [TS]

  got you gotta try this and get being [TS]

  handled a couple of VHS cassettes or the [TS]

  bot bashes wear it in New England there [TS]

  is every few months there would be [TS]

  some sort of collection that would go [TS]

  around say we can read the VFW hall for [TS]

  this amount of money we know someone who [TS]

  has a projector and we can basically [TS]

  have a viewing party with about two [TS]

  three four five dozen people and just on [TS]

  the basis that you've heard that this is [TS]

  it on some usenet newsgroup that this is [TS]

  a really good show that you really need [TS]

  to see it and that you might have heard [TS]

  of maybe somebody who is in another [TS]

  computer club that you're in was also [TS]

  going to wind up spending three or four [TS]

  hours in this VFW hall somewhere in [TS]

  suburban Boston it up and read laughing [TS]

  your butt off not only because of what [TS]

  what's there because you are with a [TS]

  group of 40 to 50 to 60 people who also [TS]

  are primed for this sort of for the sort [TS]

  of show and we're getting at least forty [TS]

  percent of the same references and [TS]

  that's one of the things that really [TS]

  hooked me on it i think i got was [TS]

  introduced to it in the best way [TS]

  possible to i think was problem it might [TS]

  have actually been my first introduction [TS]

  to what you might call organized science [TS]

  fiction fandom envious and in fact the [TS]

  the cable channel that my parents cable [TS]

  system when I went home that summer to [TS]

  watch mst3k on the newly-formed comedy [TS]

  central comedy central only ran from 6pm [TS]

  to 6am and the resume I was CNBC yes [TS]

  that's great [TS]

  wow there's a dichotomy when I [TS]

  discovered it was just after the merger [TS]

  and our system did not have comedy [TS]

  central [TS]

  and so what they were doing like for the [TS]

  whole summer they would do a sample of [TS]

  different channels 1 a weekend for like [TS]

  ten weeks and then you got to choose [TS]

  which channels you wanted so one weekend [TS]

  is Comedy Central and i had heard about [TS]

  the show at some point because I [TS]

  recognize go guy with puppets and movie [TS]

  and so I just I they happen to run I [TS]

  think it was cave-dwellers on the [TS]

  saturday afternoon the weekend and i [TS]

  forgot to set this out and I i mean i [TS]

  think it was maybe 10 minutes and I just [TS]

  went [TS]

  I'm not going anywhere for two and the [TS]

  movie is pronounced copy dwellers and [TS]

  and so yeah about a month later boom we [TS]

  had comedy central [TS]

  the first one that was on it that [TS]

  started on a monday so the first thing I [TS]

  saw was time of the Apes at midnight [TS]

  that night huh [TS]

  another good one that's not fair that [TS]

  point on you know and and its stations [TS]

  we eat there is something about this is [TS]

  not feeling sorry i don't care [TS]

  yeah that's what I got it really good [TS]

  magic thing I had to get the second one [TS]

  for I don't care [TS]

  the trampy no i don't care and education [TS]

  will do magic things i don't care i was [TS]

  already writing comedy at that point and [TS]

  they just did something to my brainwaves [TS]

  like I discovered this whole second gear [TS]

  that you could go into and you know you [TS]

  could wrap references inside references [TS]

  inside references and between them and [TS]

  pdq bach yeah [TS]

  in retrospect it's kind of unbelievable [TS]

  that I didn't catch on to it sooner than [TS]

  i did and i guess i have to blame the [TS]

  fact that we didn't have easy access to [TS]

  cable for a long time because confession [TS]

  time I probably went to Rocky Horror [TS]

  Picture Show 30 times in high school [TS]

  over the course of my high school career [TS]

  and dead equips on that are particularly [TS]

  good but you know the same phase here [TS]

  it's the same school of talking talking [TS]

  back [TS]

  I think we didn't have I don't think we [TS]

  even had cable on campus I wasn't until [TS]

  I got my off-campus apartment that we [TS]

  had cable and we had the we had the six [TS]

  am-6 p.m. [TS]

  whatever it was and CNBC thank you so [TS]

  when I i remember because our recorded [TS]

  the turkey day marathon and i only got [TS]

  12 hours of it i think you're right i [TS]

  think i remember being being irritated [TS]

  when it's CNBC our thanksgiving day no [TS]

  one is watching CNBC some your scraps [TS]

  where the market closed off on all fours [TS]

  I still have all my tapes of turkey day [TS]

  marathons during one of my senior years [TS]

  they actually turned on cable in the [TS]

  apartments on campus and I was so pissed [TS]

  off [TS]

  you're right we didn't so that so for [TS]

  the first two years while i was on [TS]

  campus we didn't have cable it was [TS]

  you're right it was when I got off [TS]

  campus that we I still have a somewhere [TS]

  in probably not ten feet away from me in [TS]

  a box i have a VHS tape that literally [TS]

  was one [TS]

  as a tower VHS tape ways that i just [TS]

  press record on the turkey day marathon [TS]

  and the whole thing just ran for all [TS]

  eight hours and have to grab for mst3k [TS]

  episodes [TS]

  absolutely i have one tape that is [TS]

  literally manos the symbol movie The Day [TS]

  the Earth froze and what's the fourth [TS]

  one but it means a great you just sit [TS]

  then can remember which year that was [TS]

  I remember one thinks one family [TS]

  Thanksgiving where I had to be the [TS]

  defender of the VCR because of all the [TS]

  entire family was like home for [TS]

  thanksgiving and I've they're all kinds [TS]

  of people in that house who did not how [TS]

  to know how to work like the the [TS]

  complicated switching mechanism that i [TS]

  set up my parents house so that's [TS]

  allowed to a cable box a VCR and [TS]

  something else to access the TV at the [TS]

  same time and I just remember like [TS]

  having to dance from the table really [TS]

  really quickly because my grandfather or [TS]

  somebody or some alcohol at like [TS]

  shuffling sword was like he just belly [TS]

  away from the table decided to check out [TS]

  football and just having to stand there [TS]

  by the door to make sure that look if [TS]

  all he does is messes with the cable box [TS]

  it's fine because i've got it set up on [TS]

  a separate circuit but if he tries to [TS]

  like fix something I gotta stop a minute [TS]

  if I have to throw myself bodily in [TS]

  front of us to stop serving turkey day [TS]

  for being interrupted because honest to [TS]

  god the only reason why I'm they're [TS]

  having Thanksgiving with my parents [TS]

  because i know that i can record turkey [TS]

  day and relive it later on if it were [TS]

  between the 2 i'm sorry mom I'm sorry [TS]

  dad I'm sorry I'm messages I would have [TS]

  to go see turkey day instead they do [TS]

  they live stream of some classic [TS]

  episodes last Thanksgiving for with joel [TS]

  to promote some of their the video [TS]

  releases i believe and we had that on i [TS]

  actually put that up on the TV for a [TS]

  while and thanksgiving morning and my [TS]

  that it was the first exposure my kids [TS]

  and my in-laws and my mother had ever [TS]

  had to it and everybody laughs everybody [TS]

  enjoyed it they're actually what is this [TS]

  this is very strange and then they left [TS]

  the jokes and did your kids actually [TS]

  gonna kick out of it because yeah I've [TS]

  cared for my dog [TS]

  the 11 year old and she thinks it's the [TS]

  stupidest thing she's ever seen that my [TS]

  so my kids that was funny i think some [TS]

  aspect of it was literally it's funny [TS]

  that they're talking back to a movie [TS]

  my daughter just just today but when I [TS]

  was watching before we started this when [TS]

  I was just having dinner and watching I [TS]

  accuse my parents she stopped me and [TS]

  said oh you know I thought maybe maybe [TS]

  my friends and I should do that because [TS]

  because we think of all sorts of funny [TS]

  things to say and I'm like yeah it's not [TS]

  that I'm thinking to myself yes not that [TS]

  easy kid but I by nodding and be like [TS]

  yeah it's exactly right everybody wants [TS]

  to talk back to the screen when they're [TS]

  watching something especially if it's [TS]

  dumb [TS]

  so I I think I got something out of it [TS]

  yeah minor hooked totally that that's it [TS]

  that's another indication of how [TS]

  brilliant they worry whether this is a [TS]

  knowing things that they were doing to [TS]

  foster community [TS]

  this idea is what i love about this I [TS]

  remember specifically one year in which [TS]

  it's it's a series of these movies but [TS]

  all the interstitials be before all the [TS]

  commercials are brand-new stuff with TVs [TS]

  Frank and dr. Forrester and your action [TS]

  because you're actually going through [TS]

  exactly what the they're going through [TS]

  what you're going through over an entire [TS]

  Thanksgiving where they're right [TS]

  that TV's Frank is coming back to the [TS]

  coming back to deep 13 with all the [TS]

  fixin's from the store for all the [TS]

  fixings for thanksgiving is keeping an [TS]

  eye on the turkey and his Yogi's locking [TS]

  up the house because now it's 2 a.m. and [TS]

  so he sees on the settings on the last [TS]

  check on the bird and I was trying to [TS]

  get of then the guests keep coming by [TS]

  every two hours then there's the last [TS]

  guests to leave good that's what your [TS]

  duck again anything that you see that [TS]

  you have friends were going through the [TS]

  exact same thing on Thanksgiving as you [TS]

  are probably having just as bad a time [TS]

  as you are as well [TS]

  boy that they had such a great way of [TS]

  fostering connection between its fans on [TS]

  the show I want to get Scotland LT has [TS]

  been silent or less and into this god [TS]

  can you tell us a little bit about your [TS]

  kind of relationship with mst3k it's [TS]

  platonic issue are you [TS]

  that's not what I heard turned from mr. [TS]

  B natural [TS]

  oh dear don't trust that I when I was [TS]

  growing up we have no cable and my house [TS]

  huh [TS]

  cited meeting i know i am apparently the [TS]

  youngest person on this podcast probably [TS]

  and so cable was plentiful in the world [TS]

  at that time but yet my parents shoot it [TS]

  so we had no cable we did have cable but [TS]

  I break vacation you the heads through I [TS]

  broke the cable box and then my parents [TS]

  cancel cable we never got cable again it [TS]

  was very said but so I went off to [TS]

  college and I was very excited because i [TS]

  had cable in my dorm room so I was [TS]

  watching I was obsessed with the game [TS]

  show network which has nothing to do [TS]

  with this but then my room my friend [TS]

  across the hall introduced me to Mystery [TS]

  Science Theater and then i started [TS]

  watching that obsessively and he also [TS]

  introduced me to the non mystery science [TS]

  theater mystery science theater of Star [TS]

  Trek 5 which is one of my favorite [TS]

  things in the world which is related to [TS]

  mr. sincere but not by the mystery [TS]

  science theater people all right good [TS]

  good good real relationship recollection [TS]

  there Scott thank you you are younger [TS]

  than us that's so you don't it's fine if [TS]

  you never say anything on this episode [TS]

  again because you make me making us all [TS]

  sick my unit supers youth in your [TS]

  yammering keyboard in my cable was [TS]

  plentiful done do it just hosted to [TS]

  introduce clips of stand-up comedians [TS]

  that's already did [TS]

  there was a way of watching television [TS]

  and having phone calls so that nobody [TS]

  knew what your interests were except for [TS]

  yourself [TS]

  so let's talk about the premise because [TS]

  i think the premises kind of residential [TS]

  Hodgson i actually remember Joel Hodgson [TS]

  from his spots on Saturday Night Live [TS]

  did a lot of Letterman appearances yeah [TS]

  exactly doing and he's a project [TS]

  comedian he's aight well yeah I mean I [TS]

  would say he's a he's the he's the [TS]

  flipside of Gallagher for the carrot top [TS]

  that you don't want to murder and leave [TS]

  in a ditch you know there's a carrot-top [TS]

  joke and I accuse my parents which made [TS]

  me laugh extra hard because I know that [TS]

  there must be a connection between him [TS]

  and joel hodgson actually true story [TS]

  during an appearance that he shared with [TS]

  Gallagher he came offstage to find [TS]

  Gallagher rummaging through his props [TS]

  and he never never liked him out I'm [TS]

  that point on how am I not surprised [TS]

  I've heard that story he's also buddies [TS]

  with the e came up at the same time as [TS]

  jerry seinfeld because if you there's a [TS]

  really early Jerry Seinfeld concert [TS]

  video and it has some interstitials and [TS]

  joel hodgson is in it as like the the [TS]

  gatekeeper for the emerald city of oz [TS]

  that Jerry Seinfeld's visit its it was a [TS]

  heated comedians in cars getting coffee [TS]

  with him too [TS]

  yeah so I remember uh his agent j bit [TS]

  where he converts converts the boombox [TS]

  into various things but that was his [TS]

  building gadgets was this thing so so [TS]

  the story goes as far as i know and i [TS]

  only know I've only read some things [TS]

  there's probably somebody Monty's [TS]

  probably read it all and he's not even [TS]

  on this episode because I know if you [TS]

  think he didn't wanna be so i assume [TS]

  that that as this all coalesced in [TS]

  Minnesota that you know obviously one of [TS]

  the premises in the show with the [TS]

  invention exchange in the fact that [TS]

  there are these robots and they're all [TS]

  this other stuff is taking advantage of [TS]

  the fact that joel hodgson was drawn to [TS]

  gadgets and making weird contractions [TS]

  and that because that that is at the [TS]

  core of everything outside of the movie [TS]

  scenes of mst3k is this especially the [TS]

  module Hodgson years there's there's a [TS]

  you know quacky bits but there's a lot [TS]

  of prop comedy it's a it's like props [TS]

  are part of the DNA of the show [TS]

  well that's that's why you get the [TS]

  invention exchange and then very shortly [TS]

  after he left show they take put the [TS]

  kibosh on yes deep 62 doesn't work [TS]

  miggy's monix actually comes from i [TS]

  think some of his earlier a some of his [TS]

  earlier material and Hispanics institute [TS]

  right shot all this and like a barn in [TS]

  minnesota right yeah that if if you got [TS]

  you got that if you're remember the [TS]

  fanclub you remember they had those [TS]

  tapes of behind-the-scenes of them [TS]

  actually building all these sets and so [TS]

  you see you all these galleys people who [TS]

  are in front of the camera behind the [TS]

  camera actually just assembling sets and [TS]

  detailed and gluing all these toys [TS]

  before spray painting them like matte [TS]

  matte grey and that's I think that's [TS]

  something that you can appreciate about [TS]

  it it the whole thing does have this [TS]

  handmade feel about it where you feel as [TS]

  though the catering budget for this show [TS]

  was negligible at present because every [TS]

  free time [TS]

  I'm every extra dime that they had [TS]

  available was a way to figure out how to [TS]

  make this show [TS]

  look ten times better than they better [TS]

  than their budget and their resources [TS]

  could afford and I was I've been working [TS]

  that even before i die i knew that the [TS]

  shows coming up I was I've now if I've [TS]

  got a good like long [TS]

  youtube playlist of MST 3000 episodes [TS]

  i've been watching a lot of them over [TS]

  the past like two or three months and [TS]

  i'm amazed at how good those sets are [TS]

  and how good those props are and how [TS]

  nicely it slit and how nicely it shot [TS]

  there's almost no complaints to be made [TS]

  about how this show was put together and [TS]

  then again when you look at these [TS]

  behind-the-scenes stuff when you realize [TS]

  that this was just a group of people [TS]

  that decided they're going to improv a [TS]

  set together it just seems miraculous [TS]

  story basically goes that Hodgson soured [TS]

  very very early on with being out in LA [TS]

  and trying to break into comedy out [TS]

  there and he was actually doing very [TS]

  well that he was I think they tried to [TS]

  put him into a series that he thought [TS]

  was not funny i think he was it was [TS]

  offered the usual series of like [TS]

  next-door neighbor roles and he thought [TS]

  that this is not where I want to be in [TS]

  my bike my creative life he was offered [TS]

  a pretty pretty decent part in something [TS]

  that was thing i think it was like a [TS]

  fast times rip off fast times at [TS]

  ridgemont high rip off and he turned him [TS]

  down and said it wasn't funny and rather [TS]

  than come back to them and say well [TS]

  let's say we can fix this they came back [TS]

  and said will give you more money you [TS]

  and that apparently offended his [TS]

  delicate Midwestern sensibilities and [TS]

  how long after that he went back to to [TS]

  Minnesota because fortune right well no [TS]

  he he did a few other things and I guess [TS]

  he decided after a while that he had to [TS]

  get back into comedy because it was [TS]

  something that was just in his blood and [TS]

  he rented out a warehouse in minneapolis [TS]

  that happened to be next door to where [TS]

  Jim Allen worked and this warehouse was [TS]

  where he built his props basically and [TS]

  that's that's where imagine malin and [TS]

  shortly after that I guess Jim Allen I [TS]

  got a job at this [TS]

  I guess the lowest-rated uhf station in [TS]

  the Minneapolis area which is a KTM a [TS]

  and while he was working there they [TS]

  asked him to fill a couple hours of [TS]

  our time during got him some very [TS]

  unglamorous timeslot brother and he [TS]

  immediately thought of joel hodgson who [TS]

  had met and and hit it off with and [TS]

  that's when they put together the [TS]

  initial stages mystery science theater [TS]

  that's the second time that we referred [TS]

  to mystery science theater 3000 as like [TS]

  the styrofoam packing peanuts in a [TS]

  programming schedule say we've got this [TS]

  we don't want we don't want wheel of [TS]

  fortune to rattle around if there's two [TS]

  out two hours of a dead air so let's [TS]

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  block off two hours every week and I [TS]

  want that midnight slot Steve you were [TS]

  talking about i mean that is the same [TS]

  strategy that leads to something like [TS]

  adult swim it's like literally just put [TS]

  this on in the middle of the night and [TS]

  you know who's gonna watch it well [TS]

  college kids countries they had it a [TS]

  more standard time slot but then they [TS]

  started airing reruns sure but then you [TS]

  run you you run it you get to feel extra [TS]

  time and run extra commercials and run [TS]

  in the middle of the night and actually [TS]

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  we watched it I think every john [TS]

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  there's a surprising lack of carotenes [TS]

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  they miss they miss Frankenstein island [TS]

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  something where you can clear the rights [TS]

  that you can actually make jokes about [TS]

  and that isn't going to make everybody [TS]

  wish for death while they're watching it [TS]

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  pictures when they started to the reruns [TS]

  were still going strong and and some of [TS]

  them started dropping out of existence [TS]

  because the the the the rights holders [TS]

  suddenly this property was worth [TS]

  something because MST had come in and [TS]

  and and crapped all over the film and [TS]

  now it was the license was worth [TS]

  something [TS]

  it is people had heard of it isn't [TS]

  manage hands of fate now like a super [TS]

  cold movie but that really is owed to [TS]

  mst3k almost entirely entirely ok mst3k [TS]

  yeah I can't imagine people watching [TS]

  that willingly know but now it now it's [TS]

  like its own its own thing it's like [TS]

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  if you actually even if even if you go [TS]

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  a good 16-millimeter like pristine print [TS]

  I've always wanted I've always wondered [TS]

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  turn of of their communities maybe [TS]

  they've been like active and [TS]

  volunteering in the community and they [TS]

  thought well the only thing that could [TS]

  possibly embarrass me if it's that [TS]

  stupid movie I made in 1963 that but [TS]

  fortunately I got it got it was on [TS]

  driving three times then disappeared [TS]

  thank God no one will find that again [TS]

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  pointing at you at the at the Walmart [TS]

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  that's it that's the season 1 episode [TS]

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  104 really can see I've never seen it [TS]

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  season 1 episode you could get you tell [TS]

  that they were just riffing as they went [TS]

  this might be the first time they saw [TS]

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  I'd that's that's partly why Josh [TS]

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  actually first season they started [TS]

  having scripted episodes [TS]

  where's Katie ma was entirely off the [TS]

  cuff and he was he was much in the camp [TS]

  of I much rather do off-the-cuff trips [TS]

  because he was actually really good at [TS]

  that he was probably the best of the [TS]

  group at just coming up with stuff as [TS]

  they watched and so that was partly the [TS]

  reason why he took off after the end of [TS]

  1st season to the chagrin of not very [TS]

  many people but right after I can't [TS]

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  the Lost Planet also known as horror the [TS]

  blood monsters also starring John [TS]

  Carradine and Phil seen at least a [TS]

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  it's literally a [TS]

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  black and white and then they shot some [TS]

  seen interlinking scenes as if they were [TS]

  receiving transmissions from the planet [TS]

  and and they even had a little thing [TS]

  where they talk about how it was being [TS]

  bathed in chromatic radiation and all [TS]

  that meant was that when they would cut [TS]

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  over the black-and-white footage so dumb [TS]

  sometimes it would be blue and sometimes [TS]

  it would be read and sometimes it would [TS]

  be green but it made no sense and and so [TS]

  there was a sci-fi plot with this like [TS]

  vampire plot super it's it's really [TS]

  delightful and john kerry and of course [TS]

  was happy to sign up to be in some of [TS]

  those framing sequences because that guy [TS]

  would be in anything and was you read it [TS]

  you actually I i read about him because [TS]

  of his always an appearance on mr. sighs [TS]

  33 33 thousand and you read a bottom and [TS]

  he's just one of those actors who feels [TS]

  as though the job of an actor is to keep [TS]

  acting that even if you're in a horrible [TS]

  movie you don't get to act when you're [TS]

  just alone with a script and just like [TS]

  reading to your to the house plants if [TS]

  you're if you're in front of an audience [TS]

  and playing in front of other actors you [TS]

  are practicing your craft and that is a [TS]

  noble thing to do and I don't deny that [TS]

  he made those crap movies but I kind of [TS]

  had a little bit more respect for him [TS]

  after that [TS]

  yeah I think I i read actually stuff [TS]

  about Jackie of what people know his [TS]

  sons can't keep David but John Kerry was [TS]

  a classically trained actor right if you [TS]

  look at his IMDB page it is amazing the [TS]

  movies that he was in are just amazing [TS]

  just while appreciating a bad movie is [TS]

  one thing that's one of the ways that [TS]

  this really works is that I think a lot [TS]

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  appreciate something bad would make fun [TS]

  of it and then what you've got is this [TS]

  format beyond the invention exchange and [TS]

  all that you've got a format where you [TS]

  have skilled comedy writers essentially [TS]

  spending a lot of time coming up with a [TS]

  lot of really good jokes to fill out to [TS]

  fill out this movie that well you take [TS]

  its to our running time but you take the [TS]

  commercials out and it's like an hour [TS]

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  commercials mst3k sci-fi channel but uh [TS]

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  a few years ago we did a uncomfortable [TS]

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  long [TS]

  what's that phantom Empire yeah how long [TS]

  was our if you i think it ran about 24 [TS]

  minutes okay that was all that was a lot [TS]

  of work and give me a real perspective [TS]

  on how much I how much writing work goes [TS]

  into an mst3k because you know you [TS]

  they're not making it up off [TS]

  off-the-cuff they are watching that [TS]

  movie multiple times and and throwing [TS]

  things out and they've got I think that [TS]

  like writing assistance writing down a [TS]

  lot of folks as they would I was like [TS]

  one of the jobs just just furiously [TS]

  right all the jokes down as fast as you [TS]

  can with time code and and just a what a [TS]

  what a great idea to turn funny people a [TS]

  lot of really funny people loose on [TS]

  something like that because we all [TS]

  enjoyed making fun of these movies on on [TS]

  our own but then you get these [TS]

  incredibly talented people in a room [TS]

  together and have them ripping off of [TS]

  each other and become something [TS]

  altogether different [TS]

  that's how it builds and he get those [TS]

  references with references because you [TS]

  know i might say something funny and [TS]

  then you're going to say something funny [TS]

  and then it brings back and forth and [TS]

  you can create this whole little palace [TS]

  of jokes magical I wish I still had the [TS]

  email it maybe i do somewhere but I [TS]

  don't remember where I was at but when I [TS]

  did a little bit of work briefly for [TS]

  rifftrax when they were considering the [TS]

  idea of taking submissions from outside [TS]

  writers i got an email from bill Corbett [TS]

  basically saying this is kind of how we [TS]

  want you to this is what this is the [TS]

  format we want you to use and this is [TS]

  approximately how long you should expect [TS]

  to work on each you know each minute and [TS]

  it was some ridiculous thing like two [TS]

  hours per minute or so I don't have it i [TS]

  don't think i have it anymore but but it [TS]

  was a pretty interesting email because [TS]

  it it kind of went over that the writing [TS]

  process as it stands now which is a [TS]

  considerably different than sitting [TS]

  around in the writers room with you know [TS]

  five or six people just calling out [TS]

  riffs as they did in the mst3k is now [TS]

  it's more like they sit down and they [TS]

  watched the movie over and over and over [TS]

  and over [TS]

  well we did when we did that that [TS]

  phantom Empire r if I did get a handful [TS]

  of us in a room to watch it and we I [TS]

  recorded that and I sort of transcribed [TS]

  the jokes & time code them and we ended [TS]

  up with like a spreadsheet with timecode [TS]

  where we put in all the possible jokes [TS]

  and then boiled those down and then work [TS]

  to those into something tighter I know [TS]

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  worked on that with you and that was a [TS]

  lot of work and then we recorded all of [TS]

  it and then half those jokes had to come [TS]

  out because it didn't fit anyway that's [TS]

  the painful part you said in the other [TS]

  painful part is they're frequently parts [TS]

  of the movie where you've got five great [TS]

  lines for and other parts where you've [TS]

  got nothing [TS]

  a minute and a half and you cannot think [TS]

  of a damned sight [TS]

  mmm it's amazing yeah yeah i mean you [TS]

  can you can identify those moments [TS]

  sometimes when you watch episodes i was [TS]

  watching some some late era episodes a [TS]

  week or so ago and I it's interesting as [TS]

  the writing staff changes that kind of [TS]

  approach that they take changes and I [TS]

  think a lot of the late the late [TS]

  episodes and seasons 8 and above the [TS]

  sci-fi episodes the the writing staff [TS]

  with more frequently just say well we [TS]

  gotta put something in here so they just [TS]

  throw out some line for you get a [TS]

  running gag where they refer to [TS]

  something that was in the in the episode [TS]

  or something else and had nothing to do [TS]

  it was on screen right and there's an [TS]

  increasing number of lines where you [TS]

  know there's some just completely they [TS]

  pick some random character out of pop [TS]

  culture some guy who some some character [TS]

  in the movie looks very vaguely like you [TS]

  know it's a stretch 8000 you know John [TS]

  Carradine and and that's the joke and [TS]

  you can you can tell that that [TS]

  minute-and-a-half or whatever the movie [TS]

  was just so painful to write for it [TS]

  that was the best they could come up [TS]

  with I was pleased to read interviews [TS]

  with them later on and there was one [TS]

  there one after the whole ball game was [TS]

  over and they start talking about the [TS]

  problems they're having with the sci-fi [TS]

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  zero latitude in the movies they got to [TS]

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  everything work and the old stories [TS]

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  they might spend a lot of time figuring [TS]

  that this is exactly the sort of movies [TS]

  would work great for us but then [TS]

  afterwards 45 days they realize that [TS]

  there just isn't enough here to riff on [TS]

  and just abandoned and choosing [TS]

  something better that I i had a lot more [TS]

  sympathy for them I I i did lose like [TS]

  like like Moses on the rock I too lost [TS]

  my faith and radar that day there after [TS]

  the commitment of Merlin's house of [TS]

  wonders where I was watching am excited [TS]

  about this another episode of mystery [TS]

  science theater 3000 I'm thinking yeah [TS]

  that's that's not really that ok i'm [TS]

  enjoying bimah joining the fact that i [TS]

  see the shadows but i don't really [TS]

  that's not really a lot of fun and yeah [TS]

  it's it's just such a hard thing to do [TS]

  via you have to find the right show in [TS]

  order to make this work [TS]

  the shorts i think are some of the most [TS]

  brilliant stuff because i think that [TS]

  asks there it's the the editing of a [TS]

  short when you only have eight to ten [TS]

  minutes to do to deliver something you [TS]

  don't have time to do eight minutes [TS]

  rock-climbing you have to have things [TS]

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  there's such a crazy idea and because [TS]

  you get a lot of crazy people who are [TS]

  just trying to crank out an eight-minute [TS]

  filler subject on whatever it's such [TS]

  great crazy fuel for for ripping on [TS]

  shorts for the best part of that show [TS]

  yeah I grace often yeah i mean that the [TS]

  junior rodeo is still one of my [TS]

  favorites i don't think a week has gone [TS]

  by the PF and done and the crowd goes [TS]

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  yeah and some other engrave it [TS]

  texas-style they're doing a cloud style [TS]

  yeah that's another unfortunate which [TS]

  the data circus yeah one of my favorite [TS]

  dirty jokes was in a shirt was what was [TS]

  in short it was the winter sports one [TS]

  where the announcer keeps calling skiing [TS]

  Sheen have does and throaty robot says [TS]

  you're full of skin was that's one with [TS]

  that she whoring as well if i'm not [TS]

  better than many times had by all [TS]

  that's a very early episode yeah that's [TS]

  another way in which the sci-fi era kind [TS]

  of suffered because they were given that [TS]

  ultimatum initially that they had to [TS]

  stick to sci-fi shows only and that [TS]

  pretty much eliminated any possibility [TS]

  of doing shorts which right they they [TS]

  lifted that restriction I think midway [TS]

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  season 8 they kind of eased up on it a [TS]

  little bit maybe they were able to kind [TS]

  of go back to some more thank you you [TS]

  guys keep talking about the sci-fi [TS]

  channel episodes like that's something [TS]

  that happened like that there are some [TS]

  good episodes in the sci-fi hmm i enjoy [TS]

  brain guy I can't break guy professor [TS]

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  yes and and pearl really came on her own [TS]

  I i permanently the interstitial steps [TS]

  to the film's by the end of the sci-fi [TS]

  agree except the the only one the only [TS]

  one that I really love is when when the [TS]

  writing was on the wall and they said [TS]

  okay you're done [TS]

  and apparently they said we want to do [TS]

  one thing that's just for ourselves as [TS]

  long as we're still here not a sci-fi [TS]

  movie what they did was they did [TS]

  Maximilian shells german edition of [TS]

  Hamlet brass you're the one guy that [TS]

  likes to handle it that I'm the one guy [TS]

  that likes the hamlet episode because [TS]

  well because it's it's not that it's [TS]

  translated from the Sheikh spirits that [TS]

  it was translated into german and then [TS]

  translated back into n which is nuts [TS]

  so even without them it's it's wonderful [TS]

  to listen to because it's insane but [TS]

  aside from that I just I don't know the [TS]

  side episodes i think there are a lot of [TS]

  good episodes in sci-fi there the [TS]

  riffing was still strong i'm not a fan [TS]

  of the interstitials at all in that set [TS]

  of episodes but there's some good stuff [TS]

  in there's TVs Frank is missed ya Frank [TS]

  Connor was a was a was an unsung part of [TS]

  that shows greatness [TS]

  you know it's funny and it's not just in [TS]

  the not just in the deep 13 segments [TS]

  where he and traceable you are missed [TS]

  I think that writing really starts to [TS]

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  drop off [TS]

  no you don't realize what kind of [TS]

  contribution each of them has to the [TS]

  writing staff until they start to [TS]

  disappear and then suddenly the episodes [TS]

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  no but let's not move let's not move so [TS]

  quickly away from that with what a [TS]

  wonderful comedic duo those two those [TS]

  two guys yeah we're such a complicated [TS]

  relationship where it was definitely an [TS]

  abuser abused relationship but there is [TS]

  a sort of affection there because [TS]

  without that just just as liquid when [TS]

  when Frank went away [TS]

  and dr. Forrester sings this wonderful [TS]

  song about well now that I don't have [TS]

  somebody to abuse who do I kill and that [TS]

  was the thought that was a lot of how [TS]

  sad he wasn't how I missed Frank because [TS]

  all I I need somebody to abuse and that [TS]

  threaten that there's nobody here that [TS]

  was moving episode when Frank got when [TS]

  he ascended to second banana heaven [TS]

  really was kind of sad [TS]

  alright fine I must take my own bitter [TS]

  pill who will kill something that mst3k [TS]

  did pretty well was deal with these cast [TS]

  transitions and and and move em with the [TS]

  with robots they just changed the voices [TS]

  and with the a-10 honestly going from [TS]

  joel to Mike was less disruptive than [TS]

  you might think mostly because mike [TS]

  nelson had been there all along and was [TS]

  the head writer and just sort of slid on [TS]

  in there and I I don't you know it was a [TS]

  different it's a different guy but I I [TS]

  never had any problems it wasn't like oh [TS]

  well when Joe left then the whole thing [TS]

  went around well like a case like Steve [TS]

  pointed out they tailored the show to to [TS]

  mike nelson talents and they got rid of [TS]

  the things that were very clearly things [TS]

  that joel hodgson was good at and and [TS]

  and built around the stuff that Mike did [TS]

  very well liked the singing in the the [TS]

  ripping and one right well I also i [TS]

  think made a very smart move [TS]

  albeit about an unusual one of changing [TS]

  the hosts in the right in the middle of [TS]

  the season [TS]

  oh yeah smack in the middle of season [TS]

  five is where they did the transition so [TS]

  there wasn't this big gap and then [TS]

  suddenly the new guy was that [TS]

  Mitchell I will always remember John [TS]

  Hopkins last episode because not only [TS]

  was it Mitchell which is one of their [TS]

  the great man's t3k movies that baby oil [TS]

  yeah god [TS]

  Mitchell Mitchell even his name sounds [TS]

  like is that a beer but it was also it [TS]

  was also game 6 of BT's of the 1993 [TS]

  World Series when Joe Carter hit the [TS]

  series winning home run and that was the [TS]

  same night that is Mitchell yeah I was [TS]

  flipping back and forth [TS]

  wow yeah but but the other on baker and [TS]

  video Carter providing did my mind but [TS]

  there they were they just run that [TS]

  Mitchell episode like eight more times [TS]

  that week but yeah well it was a moment [TS]

  that it was a moment was it was we [TS]

  should talk a little bit about favorites [TS]

  we've mentioned some stuff but we should [TS]

  we should mention some favorite episodes [TS]

  that way also the listeners have some [TS]

  things to go find if they have not seen [TS]

  some of these episodes of mst3k so I [TS]

  thought I'd just go around and if you [TS]

  throw out some of your favorites i'm [TS]

  sure i know you've got them [TS]

  Steve I have 10 go ahead Andy I just as [TS]

  such as the secret agent super dragon I [TS]

  don't think that's a maybe there's there [TS]

  are others that are as good but I don't [TS]

  think that's ever been top secret agent [TS]

  is that that that's that's the one where [TS]

  that takes place in the hall and Holland [TS]

  and there's the any easy easy retired [TS]

  secret agent that has to stop [TS]

  I'm a magical mind-control gum that's [TS]

  being distributed by the the horrible [TS]

  organization that the and the Super's [TS]

  the evil organization is hidden behind [TS]

  the front of an antique have an antique [TS]

  auction house with a surprise society of [TS]

  of mast people whose sine is either they [TS]

  start their meetings by each coming over [TS]

  the piece of pieces piece of plastic and [TS]

  making the sign of a w with it it was [TS]

  just good at it was the the it was not a [TS]

  terrible movie it was just a mediocre [TS]

  movie and that's exactly right in the [TS]

  sweet spot of mystery science theater [TS]

  3000 so many great little lines little [TS]

  gadgets they can make fun of [TS]

  it weird characters that have stuff to [TS]

  do I still I still remember every single [TS]

  time that the hidden inside the office [TS]

  of the of the of the end of the antique [TS]

  auction house is of course the the [TS]

  secret phone is like a hidden inside the [TS]

  pen and so the so the pen as the flash [TS]

  when they will make secret contact like [TS]

  my pen is a phone my decimal affair [TS]

  i'm not i thinkI description in the [TS]

  wikipedia page for secret agent super [TS]

  dragon key phrase is filmed in Amsterdam [TS]

  but set in michigan i do that's a good [TS]

  sign [TS]

  it's the Michigan of Europe yes Scott [TS]

  you have a favorite mst3k i will a [TS]

  choose the draft [TS]

  it's not a draft no it's all well i will [TS]

  say that i really like the the movie [TS]

  msia the movie because a this island [TS]

  earth is not a bad movie and be inspired [TS]

  the coneheads yes it was amazing to me [TS]

  that mystery science theater could have [TS]

  a movie dedicated to it and they're just [TS]

  excited to be so when it came out and [TS]

  they really stepped up the production [TS]

  values for the movie so there's a lot of [TS]

  good stuff and yeah i agree i like the [TS]

  movie a lot i was happy that came and [TS]

  and happy to see it [TS]

  Phil favorites of mst3k oh where to [TS]

  begin a it will shock you to learn that [TS]

  i'm not a huge fan of the the [TS]

  science-fiction wat episode yeah i know [TS]

  my act I the ones that really like AR [TS]

  the are are the cold war movies like [TS]

  rocket attack USA is a personal favorite [TS]

  Wow although I i do want to give a shout [TS]

  out to one science fiction movie but by [TS]

  the great roger corman one of the [TS]

  greatest directors effort to get to walk [TS]

  this earth it conquered the earth i [TS]

  believe uh yeah he conquered the world [TS]

  yet conquered the world excuse me [TS]

  that's the one that said that is paired [TS]

  with snow thrills including she wearing [TS]

  yes and stars of peter graves and and [TS]

  leave and cleave and cleef oh you want [TS]

  to leave and clean there's actually good [TS]

  acting in that up [TS]

  so that's the scary thing yeah and uh [TS]

  just because he's a local uh Robert L [TS]

  leopard is the producer behind lost [TS]

  continent and he owned the movie theater [TS]

  in the town i live in and have many of [TS]

  his movie premieres there so i'm i'm [TS]

  imagining the citizenry of alameda going [TS]

  to see the the premiere of lost [TS]

  continent without the benefit of puppet [TS]

  commentary and say yeah Robert that was [TS]

  that was great [TS]

  they love that rock climbing now ya ali [TS]

  brought from the rock climbing [TS]

  that's good stuff David favorites oh man [TS]

  I mean I love Mitchell I love [TS]

  oh actually Gamera films [TS]

  Oh cameras really ever rock-and-roll his [TS]

  friend camera is really neat he is [TS]

  filled with turtle meat we are going to [TS]

  get me wrong I knew there would be [TS]

  something else in as as Michael [TS]

  Feinstein singing the gallery oh man [TS]

  favorite yeah i don't i don't do a [TS]

  michael feinstein impression but I can [TS]

  do that [TS]

  yeah that's that's great start oh man [TS]

  and I love the the I think it's Godzilla [TS]

  versus the sea monster that has the the [TS]

  whole thing of rec start an Eskimo spy i [TS]

  love that and then I mean time of the [TS]

  Apes and mighty Jack you can't find [TS]

  mighty Jack anywhere [TS]

  gosh ooan and teenagers from outer space [TS]

  which starts off with the weird little [TS]

  flying saucers its landing through the [TS]

  whole credit sequence and they just keep [TS]

  running down you know it's this it's [TS]

  that its belly rubs hat it's an umbrella [TS]

  it's mary poppins isn't just [TS]

  continuously and yeah and it's Bella [TS]

  absence has another one of those lines [TS]

  that we just use over and over again [TS]

  around here [TS]

  was it the same one but where I think I [TS]

  think Mary Jo will improve when she [TS]

  wrote her entry into the mystery science [TS]

  theater book so much of the first joke [TS]

  she ever wrote was oh that a captain's [TS]

  hat from Breakfast at Tiffany's is [TS]

  coming in for landing [TS]

  yeah i think that might be it at CSU [TS]

  thought is this as the sort of joke that [TS]

  like a woman of the writing staff would [TS]

  come up with huai huai not ask [TS]

  your favorite Steve yeah I was bumped [TS]

  and then ended up in the end of the list [TS]

  i'm not sure how that happened you just [TS]

  had to get you just to eat you came back [TS]

  around we wrap back around to you I feel [TS]

  like that name and all of a sudden I was [TS]

  giving you time to prepare [TS]

  I'll good i'm prepared now ok I got a [TS]

  few I let's see i'll start with [TS]

  rocketship XM also our don't leopard [TS]

  movie romance which is the first one [TS]

  that I saw with the people of alameda [TS]

  come to rocketship XM h that was I think [TS]

  that was the episode where they was 21 [TS]

  so they turned the corner from the first [TS]

  season with josh weinstein to the second [TS]

  season where Tom servo was played by [TS]

  Kevin Murphy and and TVs Frank makes his [TS]

  first appearance [TS]

  I think that's where by this time my [TS]

  lungs were aching for their respects [TS]

  about yeah there's a sequence on what [TS]

  things are funny when they float in zero [TS]

  gravity and what things are not which is [TS]

  pretty good it's just a great episode [TS]

  and the reason that sticks out for me [TS]

  mostly is because i think that was the [TS]

  first episode I saw with a group of [TS]

  people where I really appreciated how [TS]

  much when you've got a group of people [TS]

  and they eat you're laughing at [TS]

  different things that are funny to them [TS]

  just how it kind of builds on itself and [TS]

  and it and just increases the intensity [TS]

  that much more fact i really recommend [TS]

  that if you have the opportunity to go [TS]

  see a rifftrax live show in the theater [TS]

  that is it a wonderfully funny [TS]

  experience just because so many people [TS]

  are there and they're ready laughs and [TS]

  and it just it makes everything that [TS]

  much funnier 506 eage which watch for [TS]

  snakes which is watch out for snakes yes [TS]

  it is a richard kiel and unfrozen [TS]

  caveman mrs. got this wonderfully kind [TS]

  of its 60s or 50s vibe to it but it's [TS]

  it's it's like a very cheap beach [TS]

  blanket bingo thing going on right for a [TS]

  little bit of it and yeah that's our [TS]

  technology wizard our child jr. and with [TS]

  his horrifying leering face [TS]

  yeah that's that's a great insights got [TS]

  its got songs and i liked the episode [TS]

  where they became characters actually [TS]

  sing songs and they can respond those [TS]

  that's that's a particularly good one of [TS]

  the Gamera films i think gamera vs. [TS]

  Giron is the one that sticks out for [TS]

  means that the one that knife monster [TS]

  with a night that's the one with the [TS]

  monster that's a knife head that's the [TS]

  one that that focuses on the two little [TS]

  boys one of whom is Richard Burton have [TS]

  a good job in it that's the one corn job [TS]

  yeah man yeah that's really the selling [TS]

  point for me is corn Jack he's only in [TS]

  the movie for about 30 seconds but he [TS]

  makes the film [TS]

  yeah that's corn job that's yes they end [TS]

  up on a spaceship and they travel to [TS]

  some planet that's on the opposite side [TS]

  of the Sun where the aliens are [TS]

  strangely enough Japanese women in weird [TS]

  costumes so often happens [TS]

  yes I mean there's an early sequence [TS]

  where corn job threatens to shave one of [TS]

  the boys heads for acting up and then [TS]

  gonna be in in a in a shocking look [TS]

  that's a lovely phrase good can we just [TS]

  have a pause here to preach it with a [TS]

  lovely phrase you just put it was pulled [TS]

  out of the ether and put out for [TS]

  everyone to enjoy [TS]

  I urge that the listeners to go to [TS]

  google and start typing in the word [TS]

  scorn job and Google will do the rest [TS]

  for you know i don't recommend that at [TS]

  all [TS]

  Jason I just I just Jason I want you I [TS]

  want you to flag that for possible [TS]

  future t-shirt [TS]

  alright then cord job threatens the [TS]

  driven to shave the kids heads III pay [TS]

  forty dollars for that but then in it in [TS]

  an amazing act of universal serendipity [TS]

  the aliens on the remote planet actually [TS]

  do shave the boy's head and when they [TS]

  return to Earth corn job is shocked that [TS]

  somebody beat him to the page so yeah [TS]

  camera vs gear i'm not a hot on too many [TS]

  of the camera films with that one is [TS]

  probably one of the best episodes in the [TS]

  series [TS]

  Mitchell of course is wonderful yes I [TS]

  absolutely love this [TS]

  I love the song arrested her when I was [TS]

  in my mind meet you [TS]

  which was sung incidentally by your [TS]

  friend of mine hoyt axton yes yes well [TS]

  your friend watching that episode is [TS]

  like it's like going home for me but I [TS]

  love in the seventies era TV show [TS]

  mashups and the the 70 movies [TS]

  yeah Master William I was gonna want to- [TS]

  master ninja master Kenny very clear [TS]

  yeah yeah good half of it was a master [TS]

  ninja to just what they're reading the [TS]

  letters the master new to think so [TS]

  didn't want to work it took a while to [TS]

  come onto the market [TS]

  yeah in the same vein i'm a big fan of [TS]

  814 riding with death featuring the very [TS]

  mellow Ben Murphy that is an excellent [TS]

  episode involving a spy can vanish and [TS]

  hangs out with truckers highly [TS]

  recommended if you're if you've been [TS]

  afraid of the sci-fi episodes that's a [TS]

  good one to go for [TS]

  I like 412 Hercules in the captive women [TS]

  mainly because of the sequence where [TS]

  gypsy riffs briefly in the theater with [TS]

  them I feel like a gypsy is a isn't an [TS]

  underappreciated and she's excited about [TS]

  being part of a big part of the action [TS]

  and excitement that is absolutely not [TS]

  founded by reality she's very into the [TS]

  idea and then and then shape she comes [TS]

  up with she comes up with some very bad [TS]

  rips finally she comes up with one [TS]

  that's halfway decent and and the bots [TS]

  enjoy yeah gypsy good job that was a [TS]

  good one nice job and then after a few [TS]

  minutes she she realizes that this is [TS]

  really kind of sucks and she finds a way [TS]

  to escape it is not the one that has i'm [TS]

  so sleepy I can hardly keep the week it [TS]

  was one of the herd gonna get mighty [TS]

  that's the definition of sleepy [TS]

  yes oh and then and then lastly I'll [TS]

  mention 622 angels revenge which is [TS]

  another I think that might be late [TS]

  seventies early eighties it's a jiggly I [TS]

  don't know how to describe it really [TS]

  hits at Wrigley it's it's it's a jiggly [TS]

  cells jiggly and it has it has some some [TS]

  classic [TS]

  others like I think Jim practices in it [TS]

  and and the skipper shows up or maybe [TS]

  the skipper's son [TS]

  no no LOL junior and senior shows up in [TS]

  a lot of movies [TS]

  that's right that's right they're [TS]

  definitely on the decline in this film [TS]

  and it shows but it's it's great riffing [TS]

  father so I'm a big fan but I'm not done [TS]

  yet because i got to talk about shorts [TS]

  oh yeah yeah right before could I i [TS]

  mentioned only one can pick one more yes [TS]

  now go find a place you guys only have [TS]

  any chance i've mentioned have none [TS]

  sources that this is emblematic 12 to [TS]

  the moon because classic classic [TS]

  black-and-white stupid sci-fi props that [TS]

  are silly word that they gotta hope that [TS]

  we're 24 there astronaut to that the [TS]

  outfit 12 people as astronauts and of [TS]

  course they just got like Air Force like [TS]

  flight uniforms they couldn't afford to [TS]

  like that they couldn't figure out how [TS]

  to use the faceplates as in the movie [TS]

  without having reflect up [TS]

  without having reflect up [TS]

  lights so they just throw in one line [TS]

  i'm activating the invisible air shield [TS]

  right now i don't--there's and I I'm [TS]

  sure that you everyone else has the same [TS]

  sort of reaction that i have to so many [TS]

  these episodes [TS]

  there's a joke that I've i can't i can't [TS]

  imagine that a month has gone by in my [TS]

  life where I've not heard this joke has [TS]

  not popped back into my mouth my mind [TS]

  once a month for the rest of my life and [TS]

  that made me laugh [TS]

  it's where there they they approached [TS]

  there's some sort of like an entrance to [TS]

  a cave and of course it's a bad set so [TS]

  the sort of like an arch sort of like [TS]

  thing of rocks and there's some dry ice [TS]

  you can see this just like the back wall [TS]

  the set and then crow says it looks like [TS]

  some sort of portal gym as dr. McCoy I i [TS]

  had to stop the tape at that point [TS]

  because I was just laughing so hard I [TS]

  could not continue with the movie it [TS]

  looks like some sort of portal gym so [TS]

  for Stevie pictures shorts and Jason [TS]

  pics anything i was just like I'm taking [TS]

  my shorts right now fill that search [TS]

  searches related to corn job producing [TS]

  your job will be blamed and now it's in [TS]

  your search history more coincidentally [TS]

  corn job is why I'm picking my shorts [TS]

  right now [TS]

  ah i'm going to mention some movies [TS]

  before we get to do we get the shorts do [TS]

  it do it [TS]

  my favorite is probably time of the Apes [TS]

  which was mentioned earlier this this is [TS]

  eight great a Glen friend get what I on [TS]

  movies from Japan yeah the time of the [TS]

  Apes is basically planet of the apes [TS]

  except completely nonsensical it the [TS]

  plot involves people going into the [TS]

  future where apes dominated by freezing [TS]

  themselves in a cryogenic suspension [TS]

  chamber [TS]

  okay fair enough men and then to get to [TS]

  the future and they find that it is the [TS]

  time of the Apes at the end of the movie [TS]

  in order to return to the original time [TS]

  they go back to the freezer and fries [TS]

  themselves again i'm not sure how that [TS]

  works and a-and johnny is the kid who [TS]

  keeps getting into trouble [TS]

  and when they say Johnny if you're not [TS]

  careful you will die his responses as i [TS]

  said earlier i don't care i don't care [TS]

  oh it is beautiful beautiful sometime of [TS]

  the Apes is my favorite I believe that [TS]

  also was a seventies TV series in japan [TS]

  it was that both both that and and [TS]

  mighty Jack were originally serious so [TS]

  master ninja i remember watching the [TS]

  master with leaving cleveland it was a [TS]

  TV show [TS]

  so when those came on as movies not only [TS]

  did that add to the humor because I knew [TS]

  it was just a TV show but uh you know [TS]

  those are delightful including be the [TS]

  WAKAWAKA ticketmaster and any song and [TS]

  those are delightful and then i have to [TS]

  syfy pics that i want to throw in there [TS]

  earth vs. the spider just for the title [TS]

  alone frankly the grant and the the [TS]

  amazing colossal man which is a in [TS]

  manning not what that's an early episode [TS]

  that's pretty satisfied by a lot not [TS]

  yeah you know not one of the 10 I mean [TS]

  it's a it's a sci-fi movie now that's [TS]

  like my channel episode aside my movie [TS]

  alright find a loophole there he amazing [TS]

  colossal man and the war and the war the [TS]

  colossal be response which has mr. B [TS]

  natural in it which is my favorite short [TS]

  speaking of shorts Steve yeah yeah I got [TS]

  a lot of those 2 i'll go through and [TS]

  fast i love the Home Economics story [TS]

  yeah Oh musical project in my crotch [TS]

  love that one always kills me it's a [TS]

  it's a girl's dreams of going to college [TS]

  and learning about home economics is my [TS]

  favorite line is the one where they [TS]

  discuss the five-pound party which which [TS]

  apparently is is what you would do in [TS]

  the olden days when somebody would [TS]

  propose to you is you would bust out [TS]

  with a five-pound box of chocolates and [TS]

  that's how you break the news to [TS]

  everybody had these chocolate but it [TS]

  sounds for all the world like the [TS]

  narrator in this film is saying a [TS]

  five-pound potty and so the natural [TS]

  response to that is joel saying [TS]

  five-pound party she must have had a big [TS]

  breakfast and he's laughing as he say [TS]

  and that always killed me anyway that's [TS]

  a good one the the 12 punch of posture [TS]

  pals and appreciating our parents that [TS]

  leads off the unearthly which is [TS]

  otherwise not a particularly good [TS]

  episode are great junior rodeo rodeo [TS]

  Daredevils was already mentioned with [TS]

  old-timer Billy Slater [TS]

  that's good stuff LOL yea catching [TS]

  trouble which follows a man oh yeah [TS]

  basically poggi endangered species [TS]

  this is much that one that everyone when [TS]

  the best I I can't but I don't think [TS]

  there's ever another moment which one of [TS]

  the hosts Joe actually turns around in [TS]

  the seats as everyone at a bar behalf of [TS]

  everybody we apologize [TS]

  yes he has a he has a Native American [TS]

  helper who they just call every vials [TS]

  you can think of to keep calling a sad [TS]

  sack and just abusing animals left and [TS]

  right just like graphic grabbing baby [TS]

  animals tearing them for their barracks [TS]

  and throw them into a burlap sack and [TS]

  outwardly just refer to the best like [TS]

  inventory and filling an order for a zoo [TS]

  in columbus and Ted using who was a [TS]

  legitimate sports announcer of that era [TS]

  is doing the voice over any keep saying [TS]

  weird things like and what's my [TS]

  boyfriend up to now that's my [TS]

  boyfriend's Ross lets you do it now [TS]

  intensely creepy yes it is that his uh [TS]

  his native american pal who is emo [TS]

  Philips and addresses everything haha [TS]

  yeah that's good stuff and then lastly [TS]

  what to do on a date which is about is [TS]

  awkward and wonderful as you might [TS]

  expect from that title i tweeted a quote [TS]

  from that just a few hours ago you did I [TS]

  did [TS]

  wow if we're making favorite shorts on [TS]

  I always enjoy the traffic safety was [TS]

  particularly the one that is all since [TS]

  that involves a train that I don't I [TS]

  stop [TS]

  yeah why don't they look because I say [TS]

  that every time we drive by a train and [TS]

  have to stop and and then my wife will [TS]

  say here's a bucket of your brother is [TS]

  working will die [TS]

  keep going enjoy hired oh yeah harder [TS]

  harder harder part 1 or 2 part to all [TS]

  parts of hired particularly enjoy when [TS]

  the old man is swatting and insects and [TS]

  there [TS]

  the the elves are back that's great they [TS]

  put that he put a rag on his head I [TS]

  guess yeah yeah I got to say that I [TS]

  think that the the apex of i would even [TS]

  say i would say that the best of all [TS]

  mystery science theater 3000 when you [TS]

  get is what once upon a honeymoon and [TS]

  what was the other one designed for [TS]

  dreamin where these two industrial ones [TS]

  the design for dreaming was that was the [TS]

  one where you were introduced a new [TS]

  veena but they're both like industrial [TS]

  musical shorts in which if you were to [TS]

  just watch either one of these on their [TS]

  own they would be hellacious Lee [TS]

  entertaining a because you know they [TS]

  actually hired really good Broadway [TS]

  performers to like sing and dance it's [TS]

  actually entertaining in itself and also [TS]

  end of themselves they're just so [TS]

  bizarrely focused on how telephones are [TS]

  there are the key to happiness for [TS]

  everything and it's there's there's [TS]

  nothing about the future that cannot be [TS]

  solved with some sort of really [TS]

  bizarrely autoworld sort of thing but [TS]

  then when you add to that mix mystery [TS]

  science theater 3000 where they were [TS]

  just there point where they just have to [TS]

  let the craziness unfold and points with [TS]

  her [TS]

  they have to make fun of the of the [TS]

  angel who comes down to help solve the [TS]

  Broadway playwrights problems by making [TS]

  sure that they can get access to good [TS]

  telephones and I like there's this [TS]

  there's lots of great mystery science [TS]

  theater 3000 but i think that's the one [TS]

  where it's like 10 out of 10 on six out [TS]

  of seven categories [TS]

  oh man there's so much here I mean it's [TS]

  just it's overwhelming there's so much [TS]

  the short yet the shorts in such density [TS]

  of jokes there and I can just looking to [TS]

  the list right now on the on the Mystery [TS]

  Science Theater wikipedia and I'm I my [TS]

  eyes drawn to the money talks short [TS]

  where this this high school kid is black [TS]

  and white short high school kid looks at [TS]

  the ben franklin on the 50-cent piece [TS]

  had been in shadow form taco told him [TS]

  about how to save money and how to be [TS]

  practical and another one of those lines [TS]

  that just left me ice can still remember [TS]

  every detail of the carpet that i fell [TS]

  on that when mike says that there's a [TS]

  visit that there's a bust of Ben [TS]

  Franklin on sort of like a spiral like [TS]

  curved pedestal and I saw look they've [TS]

  got a Ben Franklin ice auger [TS]

  beautifully stupid junk that's just the [TS]

  bed fragment eyes auger is probably not [TS]

  we a week that goes by that I don't [TS]

  quote from the host segments I i think [TS]

  it was the Viking women [TS]

  Roger Corman movie that they every [TS]

  husband was white woman in the sea [TS]

  serpent but it was what a waffle themed [TS]

  and there's not a weekly line that I'm [TS]

  not to focus now waffles if that's where [TS]

  one of the segments is literally just [TS]

  absolute nothing and then Joe walks in [TS]

  and he's eating waffles because waffles [TS]

  minutes movies love the great episode i [TS]

  was i was like the the day at the fair [TS]

  or no no it's Johnny at the fair where [TS]

  he's at the Canadian exhibition and he [TS]

  runs away from his parents and he meets [TS]

  boxer joe lewis johnson and former [TS]

  Canadian Prime Minister mackenzie king [TS]

  and it's narrated by lauren green of all [TS]

  people [TS]

  one thing that's nice about the shorts [TS]

  as I think they've aged a little better [TS]

  than some of the episodes [TS]

  that's true i think just because there's [TS]

  there's less I mean that they're old to [TS]

  begin with most of the shorts are much [TS]

  older but there's a lot less leeway for [TS]

  them to do kind of current events sort [TS]

  of riffs right then I was actually kind [TS]

  of bummed out watching some of the old [TS]

  episodes about the fact that a lot of [TS]

  these episodes have not really aged [TS]

  super well yeah Johnny visit the haircut [TS]

  but yeah i was about to say in the msg [TS]

  maybe they make a john sununu joke that [TS]

  no one will understand i think is joel [TS]

  he used to say they would they would [TS]

  come up with some sort of really obscure [TS]

  riff in the writing room and and they [TS]

  say but sold five people are going to [TS]

  get this [TS]

  and his response was the right people [TS]

  will get Mara but that only goes so far [TS]

  because 20 years down the line those [TS]

  right people have all forgotten what it [TS]

  was that was flipping out there and the [TS]

  ones that more than the right people [TS]

  would get most people have forgotten [TS]

  about to yeah okay but what but what if [TS]

  what if they cut the they arrested the [TS]

  Mitchell they look they arrested Harlan [TS]

  Ellison good good at that that's a [TS]

  that's a worthwhile joke for the five [TS]

  people that that recognizes oh he does [TS]

  look kind of like Harlan also then yes [TS]

  your reaction would be okay [TS]

  good they finally arrested when you're [TS]

  one of those five people it's the [TS]

  funniest thing I've seen that's exactly [TS]

  right but it's but it's increasingly [TS]

  rare that you're one of those but those [TS]

  five people are even still alive first [TS]

  that's ok but let's let's let's let's [TS]

  get into this though that this is [TS]

  remember you know how like on The Price [TS]

  is Right people get called up to the [TS]

  front and everyone else is so happy for [TS]

  them where it wasn't me who got called [TS]

  up but hey is that great to see someone [TS]

  else like us who wants to be up there [TS]

  having a good time [TS]

  that's what a lot of these jokes like oh [TS]

  I totally didn't get that and ranch oak [TS]

  but i know that one of my fellow fans is [TS]

  now laughing hysterically about it so [TS]

  I'm glad for that other person and that [TS]

  was absolutely true for me too because [TS]

  back in the day when I didn't catch [TS]

  something and go okay somebody got that [TS]

  joke it wasn't me but somebody got that [TS]

  joke but I but that was when I [TS]

  understood sixty percent of the [TS]

  references like the dude I almost always [TS]

  these days when i when i watch something [TS]

  that I used to love i almost always [TS]

  pitch it in in the context of can I show [TS]

  this to my kids and will they appreciate [TS]

  it and i don't think i can show these to [TS]

  my kids because they won't get that even [TS]

  a third of the references even the ones [TS]

  that aren't horribly dated and that's [TS]

  sad because i love these shows and in [TS]

  fact I've shown several of them too well [TS]

  not several but it's got a few to my [TS]

  daughter and as I mentioned she thinks [TS]

  it's unbelievably stupid and yet there [TS]

  was a rifftrax thing on National [TS]

  Geographic Channel not too long ago [TS]

  where they picked three national [TS]

  geographic channel shows of varying [TS]

  quality and then drift over them and she [TS]

  watched that and thought it was [TS]

  hysterical but these all these ms tease [TS]

  basically they just go completely [TS]

  overhead at this point and that that's a [TS]

  bummer i still appreciate them but I [TS]

  don't appreciate it as much as i did [TS]

  before because some of the references [TS]

  that I used to think we're great I've [TS]

  forgotten myself so yes we might have [TS]

  minor totally hooked on them and which [TS]

  made me so happy because I was worried [TS]

  about that was like what if what if this [TS]

  thing that had such a big influence on [TS]

  you know what if they don't like it and [TS]

  you know at first they were just are [TS]

  going to be on in the background and [TS]

  they be doing stuff and they they pay [TS]

  attention to them they're doing the [TS]

  jokes but i think it was the moment when [TS]

  the older one was watching and he goes [TS]

  hey how come you can't see [TS]

  not through Tom servo his head when [TS]

  they're in the movie theater and then [TS]

  the younger one just turns goes you [TS]

  should really just relax and I just [TS]

  yes uh I always find it disconcerting [TS]

  when Tom servo leads leads into the at [TS]

  movie sign he leans into the the green [TS]

  screen where the where the tunnel is and [TS]

  his head sort of disappears it's [TS]

  disturbing crazy things are always [TS]

  happening to service a transparent [TS]

  bubble that she asked why Tom servo [TS]

  always has to be carried into the [TS]

  theater and grow can walk in that that [TS]

  that that sort of that sort of like the [TS]

  the IQ test for figuring things out i [TS]

  think i think taught everybody just [TS]

  accept the fact that tom servo is unable [TS]

  to do anything in fact I just the one in [TS]

  the episode they act like they actually [TS]

  they actually said they have easily that [TS]

  he said something in passing on one [TS]

  episode it's something that is hover [TS]

  skirt he can't decide to drive [TS]

  yeah there's a great there's a there's a [TS]

  there's event grading like a brother in [TS]

  front of the theater that his armor [TS]

  skirt can't work with [TS]

  yeah we have to be carried it because in [TS]

  ni accuse my parents which I just [TS]

  watched he paints himself of nude and [TS]

  and since now I'm going to be a real boy [TS]

  and they have to point out he says I [TS]

  want I want to run free [TS]

  you don't have any legs and I want to [TS]

  pick apples from a tree your arms don't [TS]

  work and one of these are good for [TS]

  eating corn on the cob [TS]

  yeah all right anything else we should [TS]

  talk about before we wrap this up other [TS]

  than to recommend that people get so [TS]

  some of this is on netflix there's a [TS]

  bunch of stuff that's on DVD and almost [TS]

  everything is on youtube it seems yeah [TS]

  we wanted a knock-down-drag-out Joel [TS]

  versus Mike fight [TS]

  oh do we need to band together i mean i [TS]

  think that's the beauty of it is good is [TS]

  is that they're both they're both good [TS]

  and different in their own ways I like [TS]

  five our heads and tails see it's worth [TS]

  mentioning this because that was that [TS]

  was probably one of the early Internet's [TS]

  first great flame wars and destruction [TS]

  of a community by internal forces i [TS]

  don't agree [TS]

  now I'll fight to the death for Frank [TS]

  over dr. Larry Earhart sure [TS]

  yes but what about what about original [TS]

  crow vs replacement crow [TS]

  oh god that's not even a I'm sure he's a [TS]

  nice man replacement crow but I got I [TS]

  got used to it was the puppeteering over [TS]

  the first three four episodes that was [TS]

  like oh crews had a stroke [TS]

  ok let's look at this is it is lie i got [TS]

  used to replacement crow but i think [TS]

  it's very clear that tres blue crow is [TS]

  the best is the best cry no I love bill [TS]

  Corbett dearly he is wiped his wet hands [TS]

  on my jacket but can't you can't really [TS]

  necessary original story but but that's [TS]

  why I think the jewel versus Mike thing [TS]

  is kind of insoluble because I think [TS]

  they're both good and they're both [TS]

  different and it's fine and it is not [TS]

  like like you know original Tom servo vs [TS]

  replacement Tom servo who you know it's [TS]

  it's kevin murphy is top service and and [TS]

  tres blue as as CRO I mean i think [TS]

  that's that's fundamental but Jillian [TS]

  Michaels you are trolling Mike and Mike [TS]

  wasn't some dude from the outside Mike [TS]

  totally got the show he had been on [TS]

  working on the show all that time he'd [TS]

  been guesting on the show and was a key [TS]

  and he was allowed to be Mike instead of [TS]

  just being a replacement Joel I liked [TS]

  you better i'm just gonna go ahead and [TS]

  say I just feel better I like Mike to [TS]

  know so it's not really you know it's [TS]

  different i'm not angry about it but i [TS]

  still remember the Christmas episode [TS]

  that year where gypsy gives him the gift [TS]

  where she had started knitting a sweater [TS]

  for Joel yeah man got away so it says [TS]

  Joey Joey key week but it was a big deal [TS]

  when that when the crossover happened [TS]

  you know alt whatever mst3k kind of [TS]

  exploded and and never was the same in [TS]

  that point in time they were there were [TS]

  those who said that it was it not the [TS]

  same show without Joel and there were [TS]

  others who were like fans and they got [TS]

  over it [TS]

  yeah they really didn't I don't think [TS]

  that a community really and he's again [TS]

  mr. Graham and Here I am trying to stoke [TS]

  the fire once again and say my name is [TS]

  around my favorite part of the crow [TS]

  replacement those one that they change [TS]

  the intro and curls look this little bit [TS]

  was I mine different idea which just [TS]

  amuse me every time I saw no longer a [TS]

  wisecracker he's different before before [TS]

  we interact I talk about one thing that [TS]

  I really that a lingering effect of [TS]

  mystery science theater 3000 there there [TS]

  are three likes whatever I [TS]

  writing fiction often times when I'm [TS]

  doing something wrong [TS]

  three risks come to mind immediately [TS]

  because they're just such brilliant [TS]

  observations about how to do [TS]

  storytelling one of them is when it's a [TS]

  one-day was one of the spy movies where [TS]

  for some reason the director decided not [TS]

  to collect not to condense time through [TS]

  editing the the undercover the person [TS]

  who's supposed to be kidnapping this [TS]

  unconscious person create builds this [TS]

  really complicated pulley mechanism for [TS]

  getting the body out of the room as [TS]

  taking forever and then tom says maybe [TS]

  this is a documentary and how to do this [TS]

  and so whenever whenever i'm writing a [TS]

  scene it's like we're twins you're [TS]

  spending way too much time explaining [TS]

  how something works this is not a [TS]

  documentary on how to do this [TS]

  there was another one in which i think [TS]

  the group could have been like a hundred [TS]

  episodes but i think i think crow says [TS]

  but i think the director forgot to have [TS]

  things happen and that's another thing [TS]

  like when I after first draft stage like [TS]

  okay Andy this chapter you forgot to [TS]

  have things happen and then the third [TS]

  one is actually more like a well [TS]

  it'sit's the the rock-climbing episode [TS]

  where there's a rift with its in the [TS]

  episode the movie takes like 30 minutes [TS]

  we're just climbing it's just nothing [TS]

  but climbing scenes and nothing happens [TS]

  except for their climbing climbing [TS]

  climbing climbing climbing and then one [TS]

  of them said makes the rift there was [TS]

  able to finally get to the top say hey [TS]

  look we find me to the top looks a [TS]

  little it look what's here with the [TS]

  bottom of a hole of the mountain well [TS]

  let's start climbing again and i think [TS]

  that this is it's more of a complaint [TS]

  about like other things like comic books [TS]

  where I feel as though you just spent 11 [TS]

  issues like pointing us towards how Bob [TS]

  what what what incredible things are [TS]

  going to happen an issue number 11 and [TS]

  you just have all your characters now at [TS]

  the top of the mountain saying hey look [TS]

  we're just at the foothills of larger [TS]

  mountain ok let's start climbing again [TS]

  like no give me a revelation give me an [TS]

  answer like show me build up to [TS]

  something and have something happen [TS]

  it's like I i think that like you could [TS]

  if you want if you're a fan of mystery [TS]

  science theater 3000 through all the bad [TS]

  movies that you've seen and all the [TS]

  risks you seen you will get at least [TS]

  one-third of a really good education on [TS]

  how to tell a story that actually will [TS]

  kill people to watch it [TS]

  yeah yeah i think if i could put on my [TS]

  mind my boring comedy nerd hat for a [TS]

  moment [TS]

  did you take it off at some point no I [TS]

  never took it off it's fixed it's stuck [TS]

  it doesn't have a propeller or anything [TS]

  on now it was wearing many pretty has [TS]

  eight proposal more the funnier [TS]

  I mean you go shows that are directly [TS]

  either ripoffs are influenced by mst3k [TS]

  like there was a show on ESPN Classic a [TS]

  few maybe a decade ago called cheap [TS]

  seats that features the Sklar brothers [TS]

  mother so basically taking the old tub [TS]

  the old junk sport footage from the ESPN [TS]

  early days before they became the sports [TS]

  shop channel and and riffing on that and [TS]

  in fact in one episode think they got [TS]

  the mst3k guys to to appear in in like [TS]

  little bits in the show but a your other [TS]

  comedy shows of today like the daily [TS]

  show and the colbert report where [TS]

  they're just resting on a new segments [TS]

  in the I think you can trace a lineage [TS]

  from from mst3k to those yeah absolutely [TS]

  i think board in the same crucible 2 [TS]

  yeah short attention span theater shared [TS]

  US market catches t doing this and now [TS]

  he's bugging out his eyes when he [TS]

  watching fox news footage one of one of [TS]

  my favorite podcasts and I know like by [TS]

  other people on this podcast is the [TS]

  flophouse which is speaking for the kind [TS]

  of comedy central's the daily show [TS]

  writers from The Daily Show but that [TS]

  they don't you know they watch the movie [TS]

  and then they talk about it afterward [TS]

  but it is it is funny people talking [TS]

  about bad movies and they they admit [TS]

  that one of their favorite shows growing [TS]

  up with mystery science theater and it's [TS]

  absolutely an influence and I get some [TS]

  of that same kind of good feeling from [TS]

  listening to the flophouse that i got [TS]

  from mst3k where it sits smart funny [TS]

  people ripping on terrible movies it's a [TS]

  beautiful thing [TS]

  ok let's read some letters letters from [TS]

  listeners put up the put up the address [TS]

  for the info plus on still store [TS]

  yeah yeah the the info club the [TS]

  incomparable info club you you have sent [TS]

  a postcard to answer [TS]

  you got a letter in the alphabet i think [TS]

  an eight-year-old drew a picture of you [TS]

  Jason here it is [TS]

  yeah I look kind of like a robot though [TS]

  it's very strange going to get the hands [TS]

  right know whether useless so it's fine [TS]

  alright well this wraps up another fine [TS]

  addition to be uncomfortable and just in [TS]

  time for our your own turkey day or [TS]

  turkey day weekend whatever marathon [TS]

  I'd like to thank my guests for joining [TS]

  me to talk about this wonderful show [TS]

  indian taco pleasure as always they [TS]

  learn too late [TS]

  that man is a feeling creature god bless [TS]

  you [TS]

  it's good as such the greatest of the [TS]

  universe David lord thank you [TS]

  time for go too bad damn it just make [TS]

  mine it was obvious Scott McNulty he [TS]

  tried to kill me with a forklift to kill [TS]

  me with a fork louvred Phil Michaels [TS]

  case and i just want to point out that [TS]

  Lyle Waggoner's a total jerk second only [TS]

  to tommy kirk fair enough and Steve [TS]

  let's thank you Jason it's been spent g [TS]

  hurting we heard a cheese store it's [TS]

  there thanks [TS]

  everybody's gonna do cab so Betty women [TS]

  and i absolutely you up my cargo I [TS]

  thought you were Dale the bastard would [TS]

  be pleased like this watch for snakes [TS]

  was that the hunting target theme [TS]

  yes yes but push the button Frank [TS]

  corn job threatens to shave one of the [TS]

  boys heads for acting up [TS]