The Incomparable

225: A Very Different Idea of Fun


  the incomparable number 225 December [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

  still and we're here for [TS]

  in addition of our book club i would [TS]

  like to first off I recognize that Scott [TS]

  melty is not here for the book club [TS]

  not because he didn't read the book and [TS]

  in fact like the book a lot and [TS]

  recommended to many of us but because [TS]

  he's a good son and he has to help his [TS]

  mom move and he's moving he's like [TS]

  moving his mom from one state to another [TS]

  or something right now so all good jobs [TS]

  god good job we're sorry your not here [TS]

  but I have wonderful people here with me [TS]

  to talk about this book in absence of [TS]

  mr. McNulty Erica and signs out there [TS]

  hello i am here indeed you know in nice [TS]

  one [TS]

  it's almost like your Galaxy Quest hello [TS]

  from last week but was it don't remember [TS]

  where you want a galaxy quest podcast [TS]

  yeah i was just repeat everything the [TS]

  computer says that's all you need to do [TS]

  yep that you release my sister who is [TS]

  also here and his writing this book I [TS]

  hope [TS]

  hello hi i read the whole trilogy look [TS]

  at me to me to carry all right and David [TS]

  laura is also out here you've read the [TS]

  whole trilogy it's the end of the world [TS]

  as we know it end spoiler Warren I feel [TS]

  fine [TS]

  huh all right we're gonna be doing some [TS]

  spoilers horn action here i think i [TS]

  think we will since we've all read all [TS]

  three books we will do a little bit of [TS]

  spoiler warning and as we go so if [TS]

  you've only read if you've written in [TS]

  the books when you get that first boil [TS]

  horn you will want to dive away from [TS]

  your comfortable chair and press the [TS]

  button marked spoiler horn on your phone [TS]

  or podcast have a choice and not listen [TS]

  to the rest and then likewise if you [TS]

  haven't read the second book will have [TS]

  another spoiler warning so now i'm just [TS]

  picturing one of those staples [TS]

  commercials easy buttons on everybody's [TS]

  desk but just his pictures for the horn [TS]

  yeah that's right you does dive dive [TS]

  over there hit the soft friendly button [TS]

  and know that you're not going to be [TS]

  spoiled that because you've you've [TS]

  called you summoned the spoiler horn to [TS]

  your side [TS]

  something like that anyway the last [TS]

  policeman is what worked what we're [TS]

  talking about [TS]

  and any last police in series apparently [TS]

  by Ben winters the the third book in the [TS]

  series came out relative [TS]

  recently I read these books in a matter [TS]

  of days in fact i believe i was on [TS]

  silent i was on a trip to Montreal for [TS]

  the singleton conference and I read the [TS]

  last policeman on the flight to montreal [TS]

  and I immediately bought the other two [TS]

  books and I you know by the time i got [TS]

  back i think i was in the middle of the [TS]

  third book I was just [TS]

  and that's actually why i think a great [TS]

  endorsement these books are a lot of fun [TS]

  to read just be even before we start [TS]

  talking about what they are i mean they [TS]

  they go fast [TS]

  there are a lot of fun and it's been [TS]

  awhile since I really ripped through a [TS]

  series like I read your last policeman [TS]

  they're very gently written there's not [TS]

  a lot of extraneous stuff in there and [TS]

  that's what I appreciate is that there's [TS]

  not a whole lot of time wasting [TS]

  so these are you know one of the things [TS]

  I really like about the the series is [TS]

  that these are did for lack of a better [TS]

  word these are detective novels these [TS]

  are these are these are these are police [TS]

  you know police / detective / crime [TS]

  novels with and I remember Scott and [TS]

  Lisa both talking about this because you [TS]

  guys read it before the rest of us i [TS]

  think yeah these are the the spin to the [TS]

  to the detective novel but procedural [TS]

  crime novel is that the earth has been [TS]

  given me an unpleasant diagnosis which [TS]

  is that it's going to be hit by an [TS]

  asteroid and these aren't spoilers this [TS]

  is in the beginning of the first book it [TS]

  becomes very clear very rapidly that the [TS]

  the planet is going to be probably [TS]

  destroyed by an asteroid and the society [TS]

  is beginning to break down and amid the [TS]

  breakdown of society there's a guy who's [TS]

  a policeman and is trying to solve up [TS]

  what he believes is a murder even though [TS]

  nobody else does so I love that it's the [TS]

  you know it's a plot that you've [TS]

  probably seen before you know it any e [TS]

  voice and style that you've seen before [TS]

  and then it's got this bizarre shard of [TS]

  a science fictional element that just [TS]

  kind of upsets everything so you never [TS]

  know quite what's going to happen next [TS]

  is just such a great idea for a book on [TS]

  top of that detective Henry palace he [TS]

  gets promoted right around the time that [TS]

  everything goes to pot has jobs are [TS]

  available for p.m. we're still around [TS]

  yeah and basically just wandered off and [TS]

  then go to Florida or New Orleans right [TS]

  and you're like well what-whatever wait [TS]

  there have been mass suicides evidently [TS]

  mom but what I really admire about Henry [TS]

  in this book and actually the whole [TS]

  series is his dog insistence on honoring [TS]

  this internal ideal of civilization [TS]

  where he's like if murders happen [TS]

  it's my job to solve them because if we [TS]

  don't solve crimes water we you know [TS]

  what makes us human or non-human and so [TS]

  he basically lives out his his life as a [TS]

  meditation on what it means to be human [TS]

  when you're facing extinction and I [TS]

  really like that he never comes out and [TS]

  says that explicitly but it's implicit [TS]

  and everything he does he's one of my [TS]

  favorite fictional characters this year [TS]

  I I think it's a really good character I [TS]

  i agree with you that the undercurrent [TS]

  in this entire series is well there are [TS]

  lots of things but one of them is very [TS]

  much what are we what are we here for [TS]

  what the society mean what is the value [TS]

  of having a civilization and when your [TS]

  when your civilization gets a terminal [TS]

  diagnosis it's really interesting [TS]

  it's that moment of you know reflection [TS]

  of what when you when you get that when [TS]

  you get that diagnosis what do you do do [TS]

  you say oh it doesn't matter and do [TS]

  crazy things or do you say well you know [TS]

  i wanna i want to make I want to make [TS]

  this matter because there's not a lot of [TS]

  time left and what what Henry palace [TS]

  does is say it matters to him even if [TS]

  and he's not like you should matter to [TS]

  you too so much as it's like knowing [TS]

  manageme somebody should be doing this [TS]

  and that is so the policeman right that [TS]

  is such the somebody's gotta stand here [TS]

  somebody's gotta gotta stand up for this [TS]

  guy who didn't do it or I find the real [TS]

  killer or whatever that that a you get [TS]

  from a lot of of of police stories and [TS]

  detective stories anyway except for him [TS]

  he's you know he's also sort of standing [TS]

  up for society as a as a concept that [TS]

  somebody should still be solving crimes [TS]

  even though we're all gonna die in here [TS]

  I pull up the passage that hooked beyond [TS]

  the first book and this isn't really [TS]

  this is again this doesn't spoil the [TS]

  plot but this tells you what you're in [TS]

  for [TS]

  where it starts with a lot of bucket [TS]

  list is returned disappointed and a lot [TS]

  of newly minted criminal [TS]

  goals and wild pleasure seekers have [TS]

  found themselves in jail waiting and [TS]

  terrified solitude for october so yeah [TS]

  there are differences in behavior but [TS]

  they're in the margins the main [TS]

  difference from a law enforcement [TS]

  perspective is more atmospheric hard to [TS]

  define i would characterize the mood [TS]

  here in town is that of a child who is [TS]

  in trouble yet but knows he's going to [TS]

  be confused said trembling against the [TS]

  knowledge of what comes next and right [TS]

  on the edge of violence not angry but [TS]

  anxious in a way that could easily [TS]

  shaped into anger and it was just this [TS]

  beautiful what I really like is how he [TS]

  raises and dismisses the whole idea of [TS]

  bucket lists and people gone wild in in [TS]

  just a few sentences because i remember [TS]

  reading the flat the novel that launched [TS]

  the flash Ford TV series no mandatory [TS]

  right yeah I think yeah and i remember [TS]

  reading that and my biggest problem with [TS]

  that was there wasn't for me there [TS]

  wasn't a lot of convincing world world [TS]

  building or even dismissal but what [TS]

  about this what about that there's just [TS]

  a lot that doesn't get sketched out and [TS]

  one of the things winters does [TS]

  consistently in this book is almost he [TS]

  anticipates almost everyone if and then [TS]

  you know tell you yeah well that's how [TS]

  it goes down well what about bucket list [TS]

  as well [TS]

  yeah they're there and it has not gone [TS]

  well for them or what about religious [TS]

  programs yeah well they've set [TS]

  themselves on fire or what about XYZ and [TS]

  it's just casually woven into the [TS]

  background and and you can see that [TS]

  normal life is beginning to fray and it [TS]

  adds to the tension in the book too [TS]

  because you know everything is beginning [TS]

  to develop into entropy that's that's [TS]

  the whole sense of the book is is [TS]

  everything is going to enter fee and the [TS]

  end is disorderly and messy and he ends [TS]

  it worse than he started the back and [TS]

  then you're like more I want more in [TS]

  please [TS]

  and-and-and-and the police and and [TS]

  people who are committed to finding that [TS]

  you know who's responsible for crimes [TS]

  these are the people who are standing [TS]

  against the entropy but the world is [TS]

  spinning out of control in in this in [TS]

  this book it hasn't spun yet but you [TS]

  know it will [TS]

  and in fact this whole crime is him [TS]

  investigating a suicide and they're so [TS]

  common that everybody just doesn't even [TS]

  care and something about the crime makes [TS]

  him think I don't think this guy killed [TS]

  himself I think this was a murder made [TS]

  to look like a suicide and it's such a [TS]

  great moment because even his even among [TS]

  his colleagues that kind of checked out [TS]

  because [TS]

  it's just so easy to say well this is a [TS]

  suicide and that's and maybe it's [TS]

  because he's new but he the you know [TS]

  palace cares and wants to investigate it [TS]

  and they sort of humor him [TS]

  it's really yeah it's a combination of a [TS]

  dream you said since he was 12 because [TS]

  he mentions that where he's had the same [TS]

  dream when he was 12 and get sworn in as [TS]

  a detective and it's the culmination of [TS]

  his life's work and it gives us like [TS]

  meeting right that it's inside feel like [TS]

  this is kind of his way of saying this [TS]

  is it my life has to mean something [TS]

  before it ends when it gets it in just [TS]

  under the wire [TS]

  ya know jumping off of what Jason was [TS]

  saying about the his co-workers i find [TS]

  it interesting that you know we're [TS]

  talking about all the different levels [TS]

  of things that can happen and and I i [TS]

  I'd like the fact that he still has co [TS]

  workers that are doing things but he has [TS]

  a main character really does stand out [TS]

  because he is like you said standing up [TS]

  for this and his co-workers how kind of [TS]

  checked out there's they haven't run [TS]

  away they're still there doing it but [TS]

  it's kinda like you know when you you [TS]

  get the detective the stereotypical [TS]

  detective that's been on the force for [TS]

  40 years he's just kind of waiting for [TS]

  retirement and still collecting that [TS]

  paycheck and worming his chair not [TS]

  really trying very hard and there are a [TS]

  variety of different ages of the people [TS]

  who are still left but you think the [TS]

  impression that they're kind of doing [TS]

  the same thing they're just sort of like [TS]

  they don't really know what else to do [TS]

  so they're just going to fill out a [TS]

  better time this way but they're not [TS]

  going to try to hard because why bother [TS]

  when the only things that struck me [TS]

  about him is that he reminds me of [TS]

  Detective bailiffs at the beginning of [TS]

  the series homicide [TS]

  you know he's just promoted he's always [TS]

  wanted to be a murder police right and [TS]

  that's the thinking man's policeman and [TS]

  he gets his first case and it up cge [TS]

  gets obsessed with it he wants to get it [TS]

  right he wants to solve it because it's [TS]

  his first case and it was that kind of [TS]

  obsession with this is my first thing in [TS]

  this thing that I've always wanted to do [TS]

  and i need to do it right and i'm not [TS]

  going to shortcut I'm not gonna forget [TS]

  it I'm not just gonna go home to suicide [TS]

  and go on to the next thing and I kind [TS]

  of like that stick-to-itiveness like the [TS]

  feeling that [TS]

  I mean I think we all experience this [TS]

  even better i'm extremely unlucky [TS]

  personally you get somewhere and [TS]

  everybody says well yeah it's ok now but [TS]

  boy you should have been here back when [TS]

  the salad days right it's always in the [TS]

  news and and for Palace this is it's [TS]

  just so true he he finally gets this [TS]

  thing that he wants when kind of nobody [TS]

  wants it and nobody really wants him to [TS]

  do it but you know by gum he's gonna do [TS]

  it but there's that also that feeling of [TS]

  loss not just the loss of of of [TS]

  civilization but his loss that this is [TS]

  his big dream and now it gets here and [TS]

  it's sort of been devalued like like you [TS]

  know I just I that really struck me to [TS]

  that at the party I'm finally here at [TS]

  the party [TS]

  just when the party is over the band is [TS]

  packing up the Gators of when i finally [TS]

  got in [TS]

  yes they're gone well i would like to [TS]

  also point out Jason before you were [TS]

  just describing your your ride and [TS]

  reading these books is really fun and [TS]

  and i think that we have a very [TS]

  different idea of what fun is because [TS]

  that isn't I think we've established [TS]

  that haven't we relate a little dark [TS]

  sometimes that is I mean I like things [TS]

  dark but i would not characterize oh my [TS]

  feelings about that as a as fun i guess [TS]

  um these are for their excellent books I [TS]

  wouldn't be here talking about them but [TS]

  I I do kind of want to give a warning to [TS]

  anybody who has not read these books if [TS]

  you if you are the kind of person who [TS]

  knows that that this type of [TS]

  end-of-the-world stuff might bring you [TS]

  down and you are in a fragile state of [TS]

  mind i would recommend waiting until [TS]

  you're a little bit more solid because I [TS]

  agree I'm i was a little iffy just down [TS]

  the you know the description of these [TS]

  books of as to whether or not i should [TS]

  read them in the first place but I was [TS]

  like well I'll think about it and then [TS]

  actually one of our our kind listeners [TS]

  purchased the first book for me off of [TS]

  my Amazon wish list so I was like all [TS]

  right it's a sign it was meant to be and [TS]

  when i read it the first book was so [TS]

  good that I immediately purchased the [TS]

  second one it was like I don't want two [TS]

  and a half three days or something like [TS]

  that I zip through them and i'm still [TS]

  not sure if that was a good idea or not [TS]

  yeah I don't know if it was a chicken in [TS]

  the egg thing but i was i was in a [TS]

  really bad place as i read these books [TS]

  and I can't blame them entirely because [TS]

  I might have been anyway but I mean yeah [TS]

  things got kinda kinda dicey and ugly [TS]

  they're so watch yourself if you're not [TS]

  sure I agree i definitely felt that too [TS]

  when I finished I did not come out of [TS]

  finishing the third book like you know [TS]

  fresh and we're and refreshed and ready [TS]

  to seize the day I was like I who like [TS]

  that wasn't wow I I'm gonna have to [TS]

  reveal myself as a soulless monster then [TS]

  i'm using are you going [TS]

  I read them as they came out so I had a [TS]

  year pause in between each one which [TS]

  which helps members i can see i I don't [TS]

  I don't usually get that empathetic with [TS]

  a book but there are occasionally like [TS]

  graham greene's the power and the glory [TS]

  I've never finished it because it heat [TS]

  poor trees depression and desolations so [TS]

  well just like no no I can't finish this [TS]

  book and then there's a little bit of [TS]

  that in this but it's it's also a [TS]

  detective story which is cool so I [TS]

  enjoyed it i wanted to make sure he was [TS]

  gonna be okay with in a very limited [TS]

  subset of what [TS]

  ok could possibly be but um they that [TS]

  that one of the things i want to address [TS]

  those if you do read the trilogy rest [TS]

  assured that it is really well read and [TS]

  really well-thought-out and the ending [TS]

  is immensely gratifying and it's a it's [TS]

  and it makes sense it's not always that [TS]

  was my big know because i had read the [TS]

  first one like the bean seeds like [TS]

  literally two weeks before the second [TS]

  one came out and immediately bought that [TS]

  one and ripped through it and then I [TS]

  preap and then i pre-ordered the third [TS]

  one and i almost never do that because I [TS]

  prefer to buy my books used and but I [TS]

  immediately bought it new for kindle and [TS]

  when it came out the day it came out I [TS]

  blocked out sometime and read it and [TS]

  when I was done I was like huh [TS]

  I've no I was relieved because it clear [TS]

  on so it could have gone so bad and he [TS]

  could have broken faith with the reader [TS]

  and instead he writes a book that is so [TS]

  consistent to Henry is and so consistent [TS]

  with the story he began telling in the [TS]

  first book that this trilogy really [TS]

  hangs together as a perfect three piece [TS]

  of that makes sense [TS]

  and oh yeah it's like Diane lot yeah [TS]

  it's six months ago by putting sticks [TS]

  the landing so I really i was relieved [TS]

  because I would've been angry if they [TS]

  hadn't done that it doesn't certainly [TS]

  mean it's a feel-good I mean this whole [TS]

  the whole series it is consistent and I [TS]

  think that's what you're saying is a i [TS]

  agree i think the ending is consistent [TS]

  and not a ripoff and all those things [TS]

  the fact is this is ultimately about the [TS]

  sort of the world destruction of light [TS]

  in fact you could say it's weird because [TS]

  we all talked about the stand a little [TS]

  while ago [TS]

  it is a few chapters of the stand right [TS]

  is it is how society unravels and how [TS]

  people face and react to death and [TS]

  that's what it's about [TS]

  there's a why a series called this world [TS]

  we live in I'm turning on googling [TS]

  whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo does it now but the [TS]

  premise is that a rogue it's always a [TS]

  row gasps oh yeah is that the one where [TS]

  the moon blows up yeah its okay its or [TS]

  getting hit by an asteroid yes it's [TS]

  Susan beth pfeffer and gather the moon [TS]

  gets hit by an asteroid knocks it out of [TS]

  orbit and enriched and in turn what that [TS]

  does is that screws with the oceans that [TS]

  screws with the oceans tides and then [TS]

  the caldera under Yellowstone explodes [TS]

  yeah so so the earth effectively goes [TS]

  into it what what is all people called [TS]

  nuclear winter state like there's no [TS]

  more Sun and the climate change is [TS]

  radical and and very sudden and society [TS]

  breaks down and so I had read the first [TS]

  three books in that series when they [TS]

  came out [TS]

  oh yeah like I rather like 2011 which [TS]

  was not the best time to read that but [TS]

  we done [TS]

  yeah well I was postpartum at the time [TS]

  too so totally not helping [TS]

  uh-huh so I had already gone through and [TS]

  read a trilogy about this is what [TS]

  happens when massive catastrophe hits [TS]

  and this is what happens to people who [TS]

  are left standing and so in the back of [TS]

  my mind the whole time mastering the [TS]

  last policeman and I admit that [TS]

  subsequent two books i was impressed [TS]

  with how he mainly he treated the idea [TS]

  of suicide because well it's true he [TS]

  does he does investigate murders he does [TS]

  also raised a lot of very good points [TS]

  about whether when it makes sense to [TS]

  have a survival instinct that kicks in [TS]

  versus what makes sense to throw in the [TS]

  towel and then he starts talking about [TS]

  the scams that people have started [TS]

  pulling on each other or the death [TS]

  it measures are taking and and i found [TS]

  that actually a lot more upsetting than [TS]

  the notion that a comet would hit the [TS]

  planet it was the idea of not knowing [TS]

  whether you wanted to live or die that [TS]

  that I have the most trouble with these [TS]

  books should we fire off the spoiler [TS]

  Horner is there more we should do on [TS]

  this side of it i think i gave my [TS]

  warning so I'm going ok I think I think [TS]

  that's I think that's right this [TS]

  definitely can leave you I definitely [TS]

  felt like i was i was picked up by these [TS]

  books and then when I was left off [TS]

  although i really enjoyed the reading [TS]

  experience i was left in a different [TS]

  emotional place then when they picked me [TS]

  up there is no doubt about it [TS]

  oh yeah now i have i seen questions [TS]

  linger in the back of my head of the [TS]

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  alright here we go the spoils horn at [TS]

  the end of the world if you don't wanna [TS]

  listen spoilers jump to 55 minutes for [TS]

  what are you reading [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  I'm going to be very careful as we talk [TS]

  about this here because i read them all [TS]

  in such close succession and and because [TS]

  i read them on a kindle I've discovered [TS]

  that now that I'm now that I'm reading [TS]

  an e-reader I don't make the delineation [TS]

  between different books as much because [TS]

  i'm not seeing the covers and I tend to [TS]

  forget the titles of books if I wasn't [TS]

  looking at the wikipedia page for the [TS]

  first one right now I could not tell you [TS]

  the title who support the second and [TS]

  third books and i don't know that i [TS]

  remember super well exactly where the [TS]

  line is between each one of them simply [TS]

  because it is such a consistent story [TS]

  and it really does flow each one has its [TS]

  own beginning middle and end date for [TS]

  miss Gloria solved because that [TS]

  beautiful art my god I'm just I the the [TS]

  pacing the way he links all three of [TS]

  them together each book has its distinct [TS]

  are due its distinct narrative arc with [TS]

  the whole series just does a beautiful [TS]

  job from beginning to end too and i'm [TS]

  with you Erykah it's it's I have to stop [TS]

  remind myself that oh yeah book two ends [TS]

  with insert event here in them and and [TS]

  then booked three starts with but this [TS]

  last police been uh we you know we [TS]

  talked about the themes a little bit one [TS]

  of the things that i like it so it's a [TS]

  suicide that he thinks is a murder [TS]

  there is of course a I mean let's see [TS]

  there's there's the subplot with his [TS]

  sister and their em and there's like the [TS]

  military base and all these things that [TS]

  are happening and then there's the [TS]

  there's the trying to figure out the the [TS]

  story of the guy and the guy was hanging [TS]

  out with that with that with another guy [TS]

  and then there's a well woman who's [TS]

  involved because it's a detective story [TS]

  of course he's going to unravel their [TS]

  lives and get in get involved with the [TS]

  woman who's involved in the mystery as [TS]

  you do as happens so often no detectives [TS]

  mostly Democrats the books about the [TS]

  detectives who just do their job and [TS]

  it's all morning they just take care of [TS]

  it and always a femme fatale [TS]

  in this case it's kind of literal yeah I [TS]

  like I enjoyed the mystery i enjoyed him [TS]

  unraveling I like the fact that even in [TS]

  a standard mystery when a guy thinks [TS]

  it's a murder but everybody else thinks [TS]

  it's suicide you're like come on it [TS]

  the book he's going to be right but in [TS]

  this I felt like he might be wrong [TS]

  i mean i-i don't know that the the [TS]

  existence of that asteroid makes [TS]

  everything kind of it throws everything [TS]

  out of sync and I start to think maybe [TS]

  this is not going to be that story it's [TS]

  gonna be some weird thing involving the [TS]

  end of the world and and you know it [TS]

  turns out not to be it turns out that [TS]

  that there is indeed a a mystery to be [TS]

  solved involving a conspiracy to kill [TS]

  this guy and make it look like a suicide [TS]

  and it's nice because you know by sort [TS]

  of starting in media res you know here [TS]

  you don't necessarily know except unless [TS]

  you've read the back of the book [TS]

  no it's it's about the end of the world [TS]

  so you know if you're trying to pick up [TS]

  details about what's going on in this [TS]

  world it's all oblique it's not you know [TS]

  well to mcdonalds well it's not really a [TS]

  mcdonalds right you know how I love that [TS]

  when he explains which change of clothes [TS]

  which was not in just these little [TS]

  details that you pick up so again [TS]

  there's there's just enough doubt as to [TS]

  whether you know maybe it really is a [TS]

  suicide [TS]

  I don't know right and but but yeah I [TS]

  love that there's no like big things [TS]

  saying here is the situation now right [TS]

  it gives you everything you need to know [TS]

  it's just all these details that sort of [TS]

  filter through the whole thing and you [TS]

  you learn stuff as you need to know it [TS]

  as it makes the plot make more sense [TS]

  which is against just beautiful [TS]

  yeah in the so in the end you know [TS]

  there's I mean we can we can recap the [TS]

  plot but basically he follows leads that [TS]

  leads that that uh make you think [TS]

  there's a very nice red herring where [TS]

  you think that this is going to be about [TS]

  this guy who's doing insurance fraud [TS]

  whose because the insurance companies [TS]

  again are in a problematic place because [TS]

  the world is coming to an end and lots [TS]

  of crazy things are happening whether [TS]

  they're disputing a lot of payouts to [TS]

  because they're now what you gonna do [TS]

  uh you know we'll take it to court next [TS]

  year haha and but in the end it turns [TS]

  out that there's a there's a guy who's [TS]

  what distributing drugs out of the [TS]

  basement of the police station is that [TS]

  right [TS]

  hospitals are the hospital right [TS]

  hospital [TS]

  that's right and I but along the way we [TS]

  have the Fatah land and a scene that [TS]

  could very easily have been in other [TS]

  circumstances not as meaningful but what [TS]

  is interesting about this series is this [TS]

  this seen this this one evening the date [TS]

  that that the main character goes on [TS]

  haunts him for the rest of the books [TS]

  which I actually think it's kind of [TS]

  great dance that it's so meaningful to [TS]

  him and we're thinking about this woman [TS]

  that he spent you know was actually one [TS]

  night with an A and the it had that [TS]

  hangs over the other two books it's [TS]

  actually really kind of great that's the [TS]

  case haunted by women [TS]

  I suppose so his sister here and sister [TS]

  is that this is his sister is the [TS]

  biggest ghost in his life and she's [TS]

  right there half the time but palace [TS]

  will you ever learn [TS]

  probably a dozen now it's gonna hit that [TS]

  he's just about to learn in yeah the and [TS]

  yeah we should we should we talk about [TS]

  the other books [TS]

  why not why not that's all right isn't [TS]

  this your second spoiler Hearn [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  it's alright form below [TS]

  well done Lisa push the button on the [TS]

  spoiler in there good job i guess i [TS]

  could count on fiat so countdown city is [TS]

  the one that I um I think I feel like in [TS]

  some ways I I I remember the most [TS]

  because this this to me [TS]

  so at the end they basically shut down [TS]

  parts of the police force and palaces [TS]

  out of a job [TS]

  so now he's kind of like a detective [TS]

  with you know like a private detective [TS]

  sort of except not what sort of man and [TS]

  this and and i love the structure of [TS]

  this one because this one is very much [TS]

  like it's like his his old nanny but [TS]

  it's very much like her husband has [TS]

  disappeared [TS]

  you gotta find him and it all kind of [TS]

  unravels when he starts to check out his [TS]

  story there's like the bowling alley [TS]

  where they serve food that is where he [TS]

  worked and then he he has to figure out [TS]

  that they have a truck that they use to [TS]

  get supplies and he ends up in this one [TS]

  he ends up he ends up at the what the [TS]

  University of New Hampshire is that [TS]

  right yeah it'sit's you an agent with [TS]

  become a hippie commune basically his [TS]

  sister he ends up there with his sister [TS]

  and they're trying to find out the [TS]

  location of this guy who is the husband [TS]

  of the nanny and wondering what he's up [TS]

  to and what he's doing and and and and [TS]

  traces that story through and eventually [TS]

  comes to a like a Coast Guard is a [TS]

  schematic yes it's there's there's a [TS]

  coastguard operation they interrupt [TS]

  yeah yeah where he's where it turns out [TS]

  that this guy is trying to prove to what [TS]

  saved the people who are off who have [TS]

  fled other places and are trying to come [TS]

  to the u.s. on the off-chance that since [TS]

  the asteroid is hitting an end indonesia [TS]

  us may be safer place to be and these [TS]

  people are being like gunned down before [TS]

  they stand and thinking the ship's yeah [TS]

  person so you know that it's really dark [TS]

  but that I mean this has really division [TS]

  the visuals of this have stuck with me [TS]

  that the the walls of the of the [TS]

  university they with the defenses and [TS]

  and being allowed [TS]

  and I was like high security perimeter [TS]

  and the bowling alley where there's the [TS]

  guy who's like it's like the mob bowling [TS]

  alley [TS]

  except they just you know it's the there [TS]

  they're mobbed up because it's the end [TS]

  of the world and they have food there [TS]

  and then that last confrontation where [TS]

  he's coming he meets the finally meets [TS]

  the husband and he's climbed up the side [TS]

  of that that building and it's just it's [TS]

  just yeah what a crazy it better [TS]

  you know I I liked it better than the [TS]

  first one because i thought it was like [TS]

  even more memorable as things are [TS]

  spinning out of control and and it [TS]

  really i'll i really enjoyed the thread [TS]

  that he keeps following because it's dog [TS]

  it right he's just like you kind of like [TS]

  to start but then in true detective [TS]

  story fashion once he gets that thread [TS]

  he just keeps pulling it he can't help [TS]

  but keep pulling it no matter what the [TS]

  cost is the second book i thought was [TS]

  actually the most disturbing of them all [TS]

  to be honest with you because that's [TS]

  also when you discovered the parents [TS]

  have been abandoned their children [TS]

  oh yeah oh that's right yeah there's [TS]

  like the it's like merchants from a [TS]

  musical except terrible it's awful yeah [TS]

  you know so you discovered that's been [TS]

  going on the medical care has begun to [TS]

  deteriorate there's that weird vigil [TS]

  they have in Massachusetts where people [TS]

  just start standing up and reciting all [TS]

  things are going to miss the end of the [TS]

  world you know there's that there's that [TS]

  data model there's the hucksters who [TS]

  took all those people for all their life [TS]

  savings for this this this rescue [TS]

  oh yeah program that will never ever [TS]

  come to fruition and yeah that one just [TS]

  a kind of made me go like yeah I mean I [TS]

  guess you got some money but really like [TS]

  you you have three weeks to spend it on [TS]

  whatever I just yeah like a lot of work [TS]

  to go through to scam people like that's [TS]

  just that you're really a terrible [TS]

  person if you're doing that because [TS]

  you're not going to get much out of it [TS]

  yeah it's just awful uh-huh so it's just [TS]

  it's just the second one is because the [TS]

  third book I think they're the thing I [TS]

  really like about the third book is it's [TS]

  just this this very it's just the final [TS]

  unraveling where where he only has two [TS]

  big mysteries left to solve one of them [TS]

  is what the hell happened to a sister [TS]

  right and the answer is not a surprise [TS]

  this one reminded me [TS]

  of a book that i really i read in high [TS]

  school that I really liked that was one [TS]

  of my favorite detective books called [TS]

  well in the same way that it that [TS]

  there's this kind of you know i love [TS]

  that dread of I'm gonna follow this case [TS]

  and it's going to go somewhere badly you [TS]

  know bad and it's gonna be bad for me [TS]

  and it's going badly for everybody [TS]

  involved and yet i'm going to do it [TS]

  because that's just what's gonna happen [TS]

  now it's that dot that darkness and in [TS]

  that book is I think he may be out of [TS]

  print it might be back in print now [TS]

  called strike three you're dead which is [TS]

  actually about a baseball player [TS]

  investigating the murder of one of his [TS]

  teammates and for a book that is kind of [TS]

  quirky and strange and sounds like it [TS]

  might be wacky it's actually really dark [TS]

  and then that the first book in a series [TS]

  of of mysteries being solved by this [TS]

  former baseball player and it's the same [TS]

  thing which is personal life you know [TS]

  spending apart have to follow the case [TS]

  leads to unpleasant locations and and I [TS]

  I just the result of that book is i love [TS]

  the tone i like i love that the main [TS]

  character is reluctant and yet can't [TS]

  just can't help it has to follow the [TS]

  path and that's I got that exact same [TS]

  tone and feeling and style from from all [TS]

  these books but especially countdown [TS]

  city [TS]

  yeah oh and the diner the diner that [TS]

  serves almost nothing where he and his [TS]

  two former police colleagues go like [TS]

  have nowhere else to be amazing [TS]

  no the am I mean is I you sort of going [TS]

  into book number three world of trouble [TS]

  that that really oh this this isn't [TS]

  gonna end well see also common yeah but [TS]

  you know I think for me that the thing [TS]

  that broke my heart a little bit is how [TS]

  he leaves police house and strikes out [TS]

  on his own and it's just like the worst [TS]

  possible decision you can make but like [TS]

  jason said he's got that thing in his [TS]

  nature that pushes him to keep going [TS]

  alright we're going to just blow the [TS]

  blow the whole whole whore now [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  there goes yeah and you know his [TS]

  sister's the biggest mystery in his life [TS]

  and he's just compelled to try to solve [TS]

  whatever it is that he goes on about and [TS]

  you know it's not gonna end well like [TS]

  you know from the minute you open the [TS]

  book she hasn't she hasn't she's always [TS]

  a sign of something bad in every single [TS]

  book the minute he gets entangled mr. [TS]

  things get complicated in weird and [TS]

  murdery Erica you know you mentioned the [TS]

  the the the the dark the darkness and [TS]

  that it ends up in a problematic place I [TS]

  i will reinforce that by saying that the [TS]

  world of trouble reminds me a lot of the [TS]

  road yeah uh yeah yeah yeah you know [TS]

  because he is he's traveling through and [TS]

  i think it's interesting i can't wait to [TS]

  get your reaction to station 11 cuz well [TS]

  we're gonna do that we're going to do [TS]

  that for the football club so everybody [TS]

  seek some therapy before they're more [TS]

  and more population tellin ya you know [TS]

  it's not i can't stop thinking about the [TS]

  book it's delightful [TS]

  it's it's an amazing book will get there [TS]

  um I but it's delightful i mentioned i [TS]

  mentioned the road but it is like that [TS]

  in a sense and this is actually [TS]

  something I thought was weird in these [TS]

  books is I don't get a sense by the time [TS]

  the third book happens that this is not [TS]

  the stand right people aren't dying in [TS]

  mass die-offs because of something [TS]

  that's happening the thing is gonna [TS]

  happen and it's going to be the end of [TS]

  the world and yet in world of trouble as [TS]

  he is riding his bicycle from Vermont to [TS]

  ohio I the world seems pretty [TS]

  unpopulated and I I thought that was [TS]

  really nice [TS]

  in terms of telling a story about the [TS]

  end of the world that have it be like we [TS]

  this is the world we are leaving behind [TS]

  that we've already abandoned it and yet [TS]

  you know the people aren't really going [TS]

  anywhere and so on that level it didn't [TS]

  really make a lot of sense to me that it [TS]

  seemed as empty as it did he runs into [TS]

  people here and there but it it just [TS]

  seemed like you know this kind of a this [TS]

  kind of apocalypse where I know it felt [TS]

  like he was cheating and he was telling [TS]

  us a setting of a different kind of [TS]

  apocalypse and the one where [TS]

  actually watching I felt like this would [TS]

  be more people around and I was figure [TS]

  the mass suicides [TS]

  yeah I got the feeling that there are [TS]

  more suicides that the he just sort of [TS]

  described some of the suicides and [TS]

  didn't want to bog things down with it [TS]

  and also that that some of these houses [TS]

  and in places that he's passing are that [TS]

  many more of them perhaps then he can [TS]

  tell from the outside are still [TS]

  inhabited and it's just people hunkering [TS]

  down because they don't want to run into [TS]

  run into anybody you don't have the code [TS]

  right of like what the different kinds [TS]

  of houses are abandoned and therefore to [TS]

  find friends yeah the red towns versus [TS]

  the blue toes and then when you get the [TS]

  red ones just chillin an awful but i [TS]

  think it i liked the the bits and pieces [TS]

  of the the folks that he found who were [TS]

  still you could retain their humanity to [TS]

  a certain extent I think that it didn't [TS]

  completely balanced out all of the the [TS]

  awfulness as far as you know making me [TS]

  feel good but it was nice to see that [TS]

  that wasn't left aside that this wasn't [TS]

  you know we were completely dragged down [TS]

  by it some people still have not only [TS]

  are some people still trying to keep [TS]

  their their old job the way that he has [TS]

  been but there are also people who have [TS]

  become even more selfless and there are [TS]

  actually just trying to help out you [TS]

  know you be the people traveling around [TS]

  and picking up the kids and just taking [TS]

  care of them and yes lets you know not a [TS]

  bad thing I i really like the twist with [TS]

  the Amish yeah well it's and what I [TS]

  really enjoyed was how he said no I've [TS]

  lied to everybody and said that there's [TS]

  a huge plague and that we have to stay [TS]

  quarantined because i don't want them to [TS]

  know what's happening and I thought to [TS]

  myself you know wow that's a terrible [TS]

  burden and a wonderful gift at the same [TS]

  time and how must it feel to have to try [TS]

  to keep up that lie every day out of [TS]

  love you know and it would work that is [TS]

  completely one hundred percent plausible [TS]

  thing and it makes the ending just [TS]

  beautiful [TS]

  you know I guess I when I read the last [TS]

  chapter and I'm holding my I was holding [TS]

  my breath through all of it through the [TS]

  epilogue and I I literally was holding [TS]

  my breath through it and then you know [TS]

  we get to the weather having lunch [TS]

  together [TS]

  uh-huh and you know you get to the last [TS]

  page and your and then I was home it was [TS]

  that mean that last paragraph was just [TS]

  burned into my mind is just like that if [TS]

  of any book I think that I've ever read [TS]

  that ending is is going to stick with me [TS]

  and has changed me more as a person into [TS]

  anything else I can think of [TS]

  oh god yeah but the thing that I liked [TS]

  about that ending so much was how after [TS]

  spending basically a book and a half [TS]

  documenting the downward slide of [TS]

  humanity both as a conceit no actually [TS]

  as a conceit as a species and as a [TS]

  condition you know where basically [TS]

  dissolving into selfish shapes and [TS]

  people are killing each other for dumb [TS]

  reasons and and all that like he chooses [TS]

  to end on this this note of deliberate [TS]

  community and deliberate com deliberate [TS]

  support and complicity where he agrees [TS]

  to be complicit in the lie and Ally [TS]

  agrees because he's like no one should [TS]

  have to be alone today and I just I was [TS]

  like wow that's that's that's a [TS]

  remarkably up the end it you know where [TS]

  he's basically a form in that young [TS]

  people can cheat people can choose to be [TS]

  good under awful circumstances over and [TS]

  over again they can choose to be good [TS]

  and and I thought that was just a [TS]

  beautiful way to in the book when [TS]

  talking about i'm sticking the landing I [TS]

  mean this is now that we're now that [TS]

  we're safely behind many spoilers horns [TS]

  balance of squiggly lines had a variable [TS]

  city tonight [TS]

  yeah so many spoilers horns uh add the [TS]

  budget for this episode 4 large with [TS]

  bringing extra extra read it [TS]

  yeah the one thing i really appreciated [TS]

  in this it it reminded me by the by the [TS]

  end of the third one [TS]

  it reminded me of the movie Penn & [TS]

  Teller get killed [TS]

  we're at the end of the movie [TS]

  sure enough Penn & Teller get killed and [TS]

  the camera pulls up in this long crane [TS]

  shot or helicopter shot and and pens [TS]

  voice comes on it goes what we named the [TS]

  movie pen until we get killed what did [TS]

  you expect would happen [TS]

  yeah and it's like me yeah the the thing [TS]

  I really like about this is that there's [TS]

  no it's not a plot about saving the end [TS]

  of the world it's not a part of about [TS]

  trying to get out of it [TS]

  it's just here's what's gonna happen [TS]

  over here you know [TS]

  oh yeah yeah and that that goes back to [TS]

  what Lisa was saying about [TS]

  and they thought they'd never blink on [TS]

  it Scott mentioned this and I mentioned [TS]

  it to an unprepossessing podcast and and [TS]

  so I guess technically that would be [TS]

  considered a spoiler but it really is [TS]

  more like you want to give the [TS]

  reassurance like you know this series is [TS]

  what it's a it's about what it's about [TS]

  and it would be a ripoff [TS]

  if in the end there was a miracle and [TS]

  and it doesn't happen and the way it [TS]

  ends is we can talk about later but it's [TS]

  you know I didn't feel like I am I was [TS]

  ripped off and I I appreciate that does [TS]

  what it says on the label this is what [TS]

  the story is about it's not not about [TS]

  that its didn't it's telling you the [TS]

  truth and what it's about the the hard [TS]

  thing to talk about when you're not [TS]

  trying to spoil it when you say he stuck [TS]

  the landing is he he does not shy away [TS]

  from he doesn't swerve and say well [TS]

  maybe in fact most of the information [TS]

  you get as things go along is just [TS]

  confirming its yeah this is gonna happen [TS]

  righty you keep wanting that moment of [TS]

  like well maybe and instead the [TS]

  information like no no really it's not [TS]

  gonna happen that would there they're [TS]

  not going to survive this [TS]

  it's just I and then you think well [TS]

  maybe it's going to Indonesia maybe that [TS]

  will be ok for us in the US [TS]

  no that's not gonna be okay either well [TS]

  what if we're away from the oceans and [TS]

  we're in the know that's not going to [TS]

  end it just keeps going like that and [TS]

  yet [TS]

  and in the end while he never blinks [TS]

  from that what what you don't get [TS]

  which I actually kind of love I I was [TS]

  dreading it and I was happy not to see [TS]

  it is you don't get to see what happens [TS]

  next [TS]

  no yes I completely agree because as [TS]

  much as I'm curious about it i firmly [TS]

  believe that some things should be left [TS]

  up to your imagination right yeah it's [TS]

  better that way right other books are [TS]

  available that deeply depict the [TS]

  horrible things that happened at the [TS]

  very end of the world but here ya [TS]

  because that an up note it takes to [TS]

  country has Henry has had his journey [TS]

  right he's taking his journey and if if [TS]

  if what happens is sometime in the next [TS]

  two hours some you know a shockwave [TS]

  happens and and breaks their bones and [TS]

  destroys the house and he bleeds to [TS]

  death you're in or whatever it is you [TS]

  know something terrible happens and they [TS]

  all died right that's what's going to [TS]

  happen next [TS]

  it doesn't matter at this point it [TS]

  doesn't matter because this is the part [TS]

  that man [TS]

  nurses the way it ends and and and i [TS]

  wanted to talk a little bit about the [TS]

  the mystery of a sort that's in the in [TS]

  this not only does he take a little trip [TS]

  but he ends up at the police station [TS]

  where there's like a bunker that's been [TS]

  constructed underneath where the fake [TS]

  we're going to save the world cult that [TS]

  includes his sister is going to end up [TS]

  and this is where he finds his sister [TS]

  and finds that finds that she's dead [TS]

  he missed her by so very little time if [TS]

  you would have not stopped to help [TS]

  somebody else along the way Joe might [TS]

  have been there in time to save her the [TS]

  the way he deals with her murder the [TS]

  person who murdered his sister the the [TS]

  way he deals with that murder is just [TS]

  phenomenal because it shows that again [TS]

  and again he chooses to to stick to that [TS]

  internal standard of civilization and he [TS]

  chooses compassion right and it's almost [TS]

  like he's subbing in what he wishes he [TS]

  could have done for Nico for this woman [TS]

  no you know and and he does point out [TS]

  while you were you were tripping balls [TS]

  at the time but there's a lot going on [TS]

  and I i think one of the things I really [TS]

  like about this in terms talk about your [TS]

  wacky confrontation scenes in in [TS]

  detective stories in or detective movies [TS]

  and things like that the the the battle [TS]

  in the bunker where we've got like an [TS]

  extra guy who we didn't know he was [TS]

  there because he was asleep or high or [TS]

  something and and and all of that and [TS]

  then I it ends up being a really great [TS]

  kind of a dramatic action e climax to [TS]

  the to this this mystery [TS]

  I really like that I thought this like [TS]

  so bizarre that we're gonna we're gonna [TS]

  go down in the bunker where they're [TS]

  supposed to be riding out to the end of [TS]

  the world we're going to break open the [TS]

  impregnable bunker and see who's down [TS]

  there I I end and that gets just [TS]

  increasingly weird i really enjoyed that [TS]

  I thought that was so strange and I and [TS]

  then in the end the choice Henry makes [TS]

  is not to stay in the bunker [TS]

  yeah I was a little heartbroken by [TS]

  Cortez because I i really loved him to [TS]

  the second book and when he shows up at [TS]

  the end of the second book to police [TS]

  house in a horse-drawn carriage and he's [TS]

  got coffee and he's like what I just [TS]

  over 25 and I'm like this is what the [TS]

  house like this with the book needs this [TS]

  random element of of levity and because [TS]

  he kinda provided this this this this [TS]

  wildcard well you know what the [TS]

  trachomatis what like there was a [TS]

  certain lightness of character I light [TS]

  and then book number three it goes away [TS]

  at the end of that was like Cortez why [TS]

  did you have to because i like i like [TS]

  that because he it they bring him in and [TS]

  he is [TS]

  yes he's funny but he is funny with an [TS]

  edge in with the dark side and he is [TS]

  he's not a good guy and I was worried [TS]

  actually that he was going to soften him [TS]

  up and have some sort of redemption arc [TS]

  for him by the end and the fact that [TS]

  didn't happen maybe I think just as [TS]

  happy as the fact that he didn't works [TS]

  out when it comes to killing the entire [TS]

  Earth with an asteroid it was the same [TS]

  kind of a same kind of with a realism [TS]

  what kind of thing going on and another [TS]

  thing that happened towards the end [TS]

  there that i enjoyed was the fact that [TS]

  not only is cortez sort of parallel you [TS]

  be a the world and the asteroid but we [TS]

  also have a weird little parallel 44 [TS]

  palace himself because the we find out [TS]

  that that would help there's an FBI [TS]

  agent who he hasn't realized was an FBI [TS]

  agent this whole time [TS]

  who is also trying to find his sister [TS]

  and trying to save her because he sort [TS]

  of see the same thing in her that that [TS]

  Palace does and they both fail and you [TS]

  can feel bad for both of them [TS]

  I think you're right about Cortez I just [TS]

  I I always liked the trap of the the [TS]

  Brogue who the road who decides to have [TS]

  a last-minute change of heart and I [TS]

  think you're right it would not have [TS]

  worked here in a nice guy and maybe [TS]

  that's what makes it more poignant is is [TS]

  the fact that some people are true to [TS]

  their natures even when there's no [TS]

  reason not to be the I i also like how [TS]

  the story comes to rest with the [TS]

  exception of the the the Amish farm that [TS]

  we get the very end the story comes to [TS]

  rest at an empty police station [TS]

  so we're back Henry is also back in a [TS]

  new police station and and I like the [TS]

  sense that it's sort of like there's the [TS]

  vending machines in the kitchen and it's [TS]

  sort of I I pictured it as the eunuch [TS]

  strangely clean and together police [TS]

  station that just has nobody in it but [TS]

  this is Henry's this is where Henry gets [TS]

  to solve his last case and he still [TS]

  managed to find sort of a friend because [TS]

  he's reading through the the journals of [TS]

  that one detective recognize he liked [TS]

  her he liked her [TS]

  yeah it's in the connection right there [TS]

  right she she figures out what's going [TS]

  on and then the very sadly he he finally [TS]

  puts together what her last entry means [TS]

  and how that did that was a very bad day [TS]

  the town [TS]

  yeah yeah i I just I i love the fact [TS]

  that he doesn't want to stay in the [TS]

  bunker because part of me is like no [TS]

  dude you got a bunker that they made up [TS]

  they made a doomsday bunker and it's [TS]

  doomsday how perfect is that and it's [TS]

  open and you can just go in and they got [TS]

  stuff down there and you can you know [TS]

  who knows there's a vending machine with [TS]

  candy Christian give it a shot you never [TS]

  know and what I like that he that he [TS]

  chooses not to do that right because it [TS]

  goes back to what Lisa was saying that [TS]

  this is about somebody you know in one [TS]

  way this is Death with Dignity this is [TS]

  him deciding he's going to go out his [TS]

  you know in a in a civilized fashion and [TS]

  the world is going to not end with a you [TS]

  know just everybody tearing everything [TS]

  apart but it's going to end with sort of [TS]

  family and community and yeah I I don't [TS]

  know you're gonna you're gonna go down [TS]

  with your with your boots on and not [TS]

  cowering in the ground in a hole hoping [TS]

  to eke out a few more months and I like [TS]

  that I like that that's the decision he [TS]

  makes it [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah I'm totally with amen [TS]

  amen [TS]

  barium good job Hank palace [TS]

  good good job well I'm and how how [TS]

  boring would have been if he had stayed [TS]

  in the bunker right that's that's not [TS]

  how it's going to end well that's true [TS]

  right [TS]

  the end and they lived in function for [TS]

  Evan the end [TS]

  yeah i mean really that's when you think [TS]

  about I i would find that a much more [TS]

  depressing endia even if there's some [TS]

  sort of hope that in 15 years he can you [TS]

  know continue on I just that would have [TS]

  horrible existence that probably is i I [TS]

  just I still have thoughts about that [TS]

  poor girl down there all by herself like [TS]

  but that did just going to go insane [TS]

  here it's not okay so-so palace she said [TS]

  I guess you're the last policeman the [TS]

  edge that would not be something that [TS]

  would not be some good i I don't I don't [TS]

  advocate that anything i'm glad that it [TS]

  didn't I I [TS]

  I mean we didn't mention but i really [TS]

  love where he kind of runs the runs the [TS]

  gauntlet a little bit in terms of [TS]

  getting to the Amish farm i really [TS]

  enjoyed that not only doesn't meet that [TS]

  he meets the wacky couple that like [TS]

  naked couple for the RV and then [TS]

  realizes that there is like is it like [TS]

  metal work that's done by the there's [TS]

  the standard concrete work that's not [TS]

  great [TS]

  yeah with a stamp from the Amish guy [TS]

  puts that together and then he goes out [TS]

  to the farm and is basically threatened [TS]

  and told to leave and and with bodily [TS]

  harm and chooses not to and I really [TS]

  like that to that he's hard-headed at [TS]

  that moment he just wants to get this [TS]

  solved and I I'm not a bad guy you know [TS]

  and I I just it's there's some moments [TS]

  that really have stuck with me from this [TS]

  book really if there's ever at you know [TS]

  I've got nothing to lose sort of a time [TS]

  and this is probably it so yeah I I [TS]

  could see myself perhaps being even more [TS]

  hard-headed than normal and and really [TS]

  going for it in that sort of situation [TS]

  because you know he can he keep sort of [TS]

  saying to himself this is no I don't [TS]

  have much time I've got to get this [TS]

  figured out he really needs the [TS]

  policeman he's a detective needs to [TS]

  solve the mystery before it's all over [TS]

  ya mean it really follows through the [TS]

  classic noir troops of you know again [TS]

  the the detective who has to find the [TS]

  truth and and just this sort of streak [TS]

  of nihilism except you know in a Philip [TS]

  Marlowe novel the world isn't literally [TS]

  going to end but here it is [TS]

  but but again you know it's all those [TS]

  troops that the Chandler inhabit were [TS]

  using to exactly yeah these are these [TS]

  are all detective stories and crime [TS]

  stories there's just this whole a whole [TS]

  other layer that mean the darkness of [TS]

  something like like Anwar that might [TS]

  that that might seem like where we where [TS]

  is that coming from I guess it's coming [TS]

  from the souls of corrupt people and [TS]

  things like that it's like here as well [TS]

  you know it's be astrally yeah it's [TS]

  kinda like Raymond Chandler's on the [TS]

  beach [TS]

  yeah there you go wow yeah David does it [TS]

  again [TS]

  yeah Wow trouble so much coffee goes [TS]

  he's done if you if you chose to be be [TS]

  spoiled anyway and still haven't read [TS]

  these books you should read them if you [TS]

  like if you like it that but again as [TS]

  Erica said you should probably be a good [TS]

  place they are they are hot [TS]

  word on where they're easy to read but [TS]

  they they take you on an emotional [TS]

  journey I mean you are journeying [TS]

  through the it's it's it's tough [TS]

  there's tough it's tough stuff and it's [TS]

  a dark place and although it ends on [TS]

  what is about note for a series of books [TS]

  like this it's not that kind of up note [TS]

  if they enter the world of note but it's [TS]

  not that into you know what character [TS]

  comes to rest at an appropriate place [TS]

  yeah it's very satisfying from a [TS]

  narrative perspective from an emotional [TS]

  perspective you will be erect for about [TS]

  2,400 please please [TS]

  yeah you'll have full no i don't know if [TS]

  the rest of you have this but I had the [TS]

  what would I do [TS]

  yeah that's why would you read a book [TS]

  about the end of the world and i'll ask [TS]

  yourself what you do at the end of the [TS]

  world that's the Holy yeah and I i found [TS]

  myself at and I'd I didn't get any [TS]

  closer to clarity over the course of [TS]

  three bones I I'm you know and I was I [TS]

  was I was like well I know I wouldn't be [TS]

  like this person or I would not want to [TS]

  do that and then I thought why just [TS]

  don't help [TS]

  well you-you-you we need to find John [TS]

  Syracuse's a mountaintop read i was just [TS]

  gonna say i was just here to have a plan [TS]

  he's gonna pick me up he's always got a [TS]

  plan i was gonna say I'm gonna go go [TS]

  hang out with jen Syracuse and not go [TS]

  anywhere near legacy Black Snow not [TS]

  Alexis house [TS]

  why what is lex plenty and I guess you [TS]

  got us all the BBQ well did you know [TS]

  this was this was were you not on the [TS]

  dogstars now I was no soda [TS]

  well that's what I all well yeah you can [TS]

  listen to that in here loud legs to the [TS]

  lexus pairs for the lives of his [TS]

  children would end would end their in [TS]

  their lives in a gentle way before the [TS]

  zombies come and John Syracuse's like no [TS]

  no I got a plan [TS]

  send your kids to me I'll take care of [TS]

  them will be fine oh my god of the video [TS]

  is your family to be comfortable John [TS]

  Syracuse's got a solid lead he's gonna [TS]

  break down there yeah he's got a plan [TS]

  he's got a plan for all of us just like [TS]

  Jesus that way yeah that's what I was [TS]

  going for that and so thank you I'm just [TS]

  admit you're bringing my imagery into [TS]

  separate longest gospel at the end of [TS]

  the world centerpiece will take care of [TS]

  all of us don't worry in the open [TS]

  basket together oh yes I see into the [TS]

  hypercritical society that is to come [TS]

  you can't pronounce it like that [TS]

  this is the only time we have left her [TS]

  this podcast is not you know like Star [TS]

  yeah so did I you know again you need to [TS]

  be in the right place you need to be [TS]

  willing to take that journey but [TS]

  especially if you like [TS]

  good police story detective stories it [TS]

  uh III I it was not work to go through [TS]

  them it would have left an emotional [TS]

  impact but they were all really really [TS]

  enjoyable fun I don't you again [TS]

  hey they pulled me through it they I I [TS]

  did not want to stop reading at any [TS]

  point in all three books i just wanted [TS]

  to keep reading them so take that for [TS]

  what it's worth that's a but not fun [TS]

  sorry Erica I shouldn't say fun one is [TS]

  the wrong leaves the wrong impression [TS]

  another series that reminds me of is [TS]

  Martin Cruz Smith's books about [TS]

  detective Arcady Renko who starts it as [TS]

  an ascot police detective when he goes [TS]

  through all kinds of horrible jobs that [TS]

  he is forced through after he pursued [TS]

  the truth to it sin and then he winds up [TS]

  being a detective again after the fall [TS]

  of the Soviet Union and then again it's [TS]

  sort of that that nihilistic hopeless [TS]

  kind of existence although again doesn't [TS]

  literally be in the end of the world but [TS]

  it's that same kind of I don't think [TS]

  I've mood [TS]

  the detective alright well you've been [TS]

  you've gotten our recommendations and [TS]

  our warnings now listen to the smiths [TS]

  all reading this Tim yet [TS]

  yes certainly not have have I have a [TS]

  bunch of the dvds of romantic comedies [TS]

  ready to go in order for YouTube clips [TS]

  of the stuff that makes you laugh or [TS]

  whatever your comfort food is not such [TS]

  all ready to go watch love actually yeah [TS]

  so Erica not season 8 of Doctor Who that [TS]

  right no have some some anyway before we [TS]

  go I like to go around and ask people [TS]

  what are you reading is there a book [TS]

  that you've read lately or that you're [TS]

  really that [TS]

  no that you just finished that you would [TS]

  like to or again you could be recently [TS]

  that you'd like to recommend or mention [TS]

  that you you read this is a good time to [TS]

  do that because this is the time where [TS]

  I'm going to ask you that David what are [TS]

  you reading [TS]

  well I'm since I'm in writing mode right [TS]

  now I'm all nonfiction because if i [TS]

  start reading fiction i will start just [TS]

  done consciously picking up the style of [TS]

  whatever i'm reading and that's not a [TS]

  good thing so i just finished a book [TS]

  called when Magoo flew the history of [TS]

  the UPA animation studio where they did [TS]

  mr. Magoo and Gerald blowing blowing but [TS]

  they also did some brilliant standalone [TS]

  like adaptations of james thurber and [TS]

  Edgar Allan Poe and a lot of the graphic [TS]

  work they did his influence advertising [TS]

  and animation since then so it's really [TS]

  fascinating book and then it's there was [TS]

  sort of an idyllic studio that just sort [TS]

  of fell apart when when push came to [TS]

  shove but it's it's a really interesting [TS]

  story and then i went from that into yes [TS]

  please by Amy Poehler because Amy [TS]

  Poehler Erica what are you reading [TS]

  well I i need some comfort reading [TS]

  actually if you're going back so i [TS]

  reread one of my favorite probably my [TS]

  favorite Sarah Addison Ellen books and i [TS]

  think i mentioned her on the last book [TS]

  club the first book I ever read by her [TS]

  was called the sugar queen and it's a [TS]

  it's about a young girl who [TS]

  well she's actually not that young just [TS]

  like 27 but she is very very sheltered [TS]

  and her mother has been drinking [TS]

  sheltering her on purpose because she [TS]

  just wanted to take care of her and and [TS]

  she eats a lot and she's up a heroine a [TS]

  main character who is is buried [TS]

  basically overweight and they don't make [TS]

  a big deal about it in the book but it [TS]

  is it is one of the attributes of her [TS]

  and she comes home one day to find a one [TS]

  of these sort of tawdry women in town [TS]

  hiding in her closet and blackmails her [TS]

  because she finds her secret stash of [TS]

  candy in the back of this closet and the [TS]

  head says you need to let me hide here [TS]

  i'm gonna tell everybody about about [TS]

  this and then it's a very sort of [TS]

  heartwarming [TS]

  re over the course of it that this girl [TS]

  gets helped by the more worldly woman [TS]

  and and there's that there's a little [TS]

  bit of supernatural stuff going on which [TS]

  would i would ruin the book if I if I [TS]

  explain it in case anybody wants to read [TS]

  it so i had to read that again to kind [TS]

  of calm myself and make myself happy and [TS]

  then the other thing I've been reading [TS]

  is the first issue of uncanny magazine [TS]

  which is a new magazine of short fiction [TS]

  and interviews and and essays and stuff [TS]

  that I am producing the podcast [TS]

  co-producing with with my husband [TS]

  Stephen co-producing the podcast for so [TS]

  I got a free subscription [TS]

  yeah yeah I saw you tweeting about that [TS]

  today I have a Kickstarter subscription [TS]

  for that so yeah I think I actually did [TS]

  it actually did kick in money on [TS]

  Kickstarter so technically it wasn't [TS]

  free but will work for subscription but [TS]

  I've been really enjoying it [TS]

  there are some excellent excellent [TS]

  stories in there and I'm fine I've [TS]

  really been enjoying I'm still not quite [TS]

  all the way through the first one [TS]

  because I've been so busy but I'm [TS]

  getting there and I'm loving it right [TS]

  Lisa what are you reading I just [TS]

  finished station 11 and I can't shut up [TS]

  about it [TS]

  by Emily st. John mandal and I really [TS]

  hope we do in a comfortable book about [TS]

  this soon because yeah that's going to [TS]

  be on the agenda for for january it is [TS]

  basically do remember how during the [TS]

  stand podcast we were like well how [TS]

  would this work in an era of the [TS]

  internet [TS]

  oh and this book we're not quite sure [TS]

  well this book basically answers that [TS]

  question [TS]

  uh-huh and it's wonderful and lyrical [TS]

  and there are that there there's a [TS]

  there's a there's an indie comics plot [TS]

  line that runs through it as well as the [TS]

  as well as a fluid devastates into the [TS]

  world [TS]

  it's beautiful and again I can't stop [TS]

  thinking about it the other things I've [TS]

  been reading i'm a huge harry s temper [TS]

  fan and I don't think she gets enough [TS]

  credit in sci-fi circles and i finished [TS]

  her most recent novel which is fish [TS]

  tales which is about preparing for in [TS]

  the coming environmental apocalypse [TS]

  ok on and along those lines I am [TS]

  currently i'm also reading slow [TS]

  apocalypse by John Varley [TS]

  haha it's looking at once inserted some [TS]

  sort of romantic story here but pepper [TS]

  and pepper and barley or both longtime [TS]

  favorites of mine i am more engaged in [TS]

  their older work but i have not yet [TS]

  figured out whether it's because I was a [TS]

  younger reader than and it was easier to [TS]

  fall into books and not climb out or if [TS]

  you know it's it's it's old but on old [TS]

  reader means an old author and there's a [TS]

  lot of baggage on both ends I don't know [TS]

  but I'm [TS]

  but I'm [TS]

  hopeful that the that barleys book slow [TS]

  apocalipsis is a return to form because [TS]

  he kind of veered off track with his [TS]

  mark series and i'm also reading william [TS]

  gibson's the peripherals in fit the [TS]

  peripheral fits and starts [TS]

  well the thing about Gibson is if I have [TS]

  like six hours and a head cold it's [TS]

  really really fun because you know you [TS]

  just like take a lot of sudafed and it [TS]

  lets you fall right into his prose style [TS]

  because these protocells is [TS]

  simultaneously spare and overheated [TS]

  so you know reading so to me totally [TS]

  he's kind of equivalent of like that [TS]

  that out of that that out of your head [TS]

  feeling that you get the first you have [TS]

  a really bad cold so I like to read and [TS]

  what I'm sit just because i had this way [TS]

  like what I'm feeling in my head matches [TS]

  up with anything on the screen so [TS]

  station eleven Scott multi the mentioned [TS]

  at the beginning helping his mom good [TS]

  son etc etc he all he said that station [TS]

  11 is I believe his favorite book of the [TS]

  year will have to check in with him its [TS]

  center on their end episode to make sure [TS]

  but yeah everybody likes it and I've got [TS]

  it in the queue but I haven't I haven't [TS]

  read it yet i'm currently reading [TS]

  ancillary sword by unlucky the sequel to [TS]

  Angela ancillary justice about [TS]

  two-thirds of the way through it love it [TS]

  another good one and I i finished the [TS]

  madness of angels which I mentioned on [TS]

  the previous podcast the the London [TS]

  urban fantasy podcast that i was reading [TS]

  I did finish that that was very long it [TS]

  was good but it was so long very long so [TS]

  I'm not going to come back to that [TS]

  series for a while I think and the book [TS]

  that I finished is the peripheral by [TS]

  william gibson which starts it is what [TS]

  may be the most confused I've been in [TS]

  the science-fiction book in a long time [TS]

  where it starts where I like I'm not [TS]

  sure who these people are or what [TS]

  they're doing or what I'm supposedly [TS]

  seeing and then there's a moment for me [TS]

  there's a moment I don't know it i read [TS]

  on my Kindle so I'm gonna say like [TS]

  fifteen percent of the way through [TS]

  fifteen twenty percent of the way [TS]

  through where I'm like oh and at that [TS]

  point it was a you know it was [TS]

  delightful actually the rest of the way [TS]

  through it is a very strange book with a [TS]

  very strange premise [TS]

  yes it's so we [TS]

  and I'm not sure I'm not sure I like how [TS]

  it ends only because i'm not quite sure [TS]

  I kind of felt like he just said ok [TS]

  that's enough [TS]

  show's over everybody and then and then [TS]

  the end of the story was hoping I ok [TS]

  because I can I read it was like oh yeah [TS]

  okay that was a lot of fun that was a [TS]

  fun ride and then the next day I was [TS]

  thinking about wait how does it end [TS]

  that's what you know and it's not like [TS]

  it ends like to be continued to [TS]

  something it's more like really okay [TS]

  that was I guess that was the end he [TS]

  wanted it in strangely i guess i would [TS]

  say but I i found it so enjoyable to go [TS]

  from being completely baffled about what [TS]

  I was reading to getting it and then [TS]

  taking sort of delight in the weird [TS]

  alternate futures that we see and that's [TS]

  a little hint [TS]

  there's two timelines that are [TS]

  intersecting and various it's so bizarre [TS]

  I'll stock up on the city Feathersword [TS]

  oh yeah you mean you said you may need [TS]

  some extra extra nyquil to defense [TS]

  oh my god that were just right but [TS]

  anyway I Indian I didn't do it overall [TS]

  does not endorse robotripping before six [TS]

  seven but but uh you know except for [TS]

  wave gets it apparently but anyway [TS]

  wherever I i enjoyed reading it and then [TS]

  afterward I was like what was that which [TS]

  is kind of funny but it was it was fun [TS]

  to read it so yeah that's what i'm [TS]

  reading and that means we've reached the [TS]

  end [TS]

  mhm that's a podcast we did a podcast we [TS]

  talk about books i like talking about [TS]

  books we should do we should do state [TS]

  station eleven i think we're gonna have [TS]

  to do that [TS]

  yeah oh my god will America just opt out [TS]

  yeah it's a find a happier book [TS]

  why do we keep reading these apocalypse [TS]

  books I don't all of my friends to read [TS]

  this book club quality books and went [TS]

  crazy over Donna Tartt and all that all [TS]

  of them are just hysterical with joy [TS]

  over station eleven as well it really is [TS]

  one of these books that works across [TS]

  multiple audiences it so it's on all the [TS]

  10 best books of the year list that I've [TS]

  seen coming out [TS]

  it's definitely it's it's a it's a site [TS]

  guy stewie kind of I've wanted white [TS]

  look so far was the first know the first [TS]

  time I went straight through and then [TS]

  the second time I went back because its [TS]

  nonlinear so the first time I read it [TS]

  through and then the second time I went [TS]

  back because i read i have it on my [TS]

  kindle [TS]

  second time I went back and picked apart [TS]

  certain plot threads to see how well [TS]

  they hung together and how well they [TS]

  spin out individually and that and [TS]

  rereading it the second time just maybe [TS]

  like it more good son yeah it's oh my [TS]

  god is amazing [TS]

  alright so stay tuned for that in [TS]

  January but that at that wraps up this [TS]

  edition of the incomparable book club [TS]

  Scott thank you for not participating I [TS]

  don't know thank you for thank you for [TS]

  moving your mom is what I think you're [TS]

  being your good something my crew that [TS]

  we thank you for the lower thanks for [TS]

  being here thank you i will see you all [TS]

  at Syracuse's yeah we will [TS]

  yes yeah next next year and Syracuse's [TS]

  mountaintop read out the spider thank [TS]

  you for being here thank you hope I'm [TS]

  invited to syracuse yes sure [TS]

  come on along and eric and sign you can [TS]

  go days John Syracuse's or his Canadian [TS]

  equivalent if you prefer [TS]

  thank you for being here thank you for [TS]

  having me and everybody out there thanks [TS]

  for listing the world despite what [TS]

  you've heard will continue so we'll see [TS]

  you next week [TS]

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