1: Big, Fat, and Bloated


  what is it that makes somebody by a [TS]

  white car all your dip [TS]

  I I honestly want to know because it [TS]

  seems like people who buy white cars [TS]

  only ever buy white cars and then [TS]

  there's other people and other people [TS]

  never buy white cars like what what what [TS]

  is that about somebody that that flips [TS]

  that switch [TS]

  I have a theory I complete can i hear [TS]

  the theory before I don't know if I just [TS]

  told you this theory before it's not [TS]

  that it's not my theory it's a common [TS]

  commonly known thing in the car industry [TS]

  is basically and fashion as well if you [TS]

  have a car or anything else that is kind [TS]

  of ugly like it's in the shape and like [TS]

  it's it's kind of lumpy and not good [TS]

  looking at some awkward parts i get that [TS]

  car in black because black hides the [TS]

  parts of the car that aren't good [TS]

  looking this is also the theory behind a [TS]

  little black dress and my black is [TS]

  quote/unquote slimming when you when you [TS]

  wear it if you want to hide what's their [TS]

  wear black or white is the opposite of [TS]

  that if you love every single curve of [TS]

  the sheet metal of a particular car [TS]

  white will show every single curve of [TS]

  the sheet metal my car and it's a good [TS]

  test of whether you really like that [TS]

  carpet when you see it and white and all [TS]

  of a sudden like I've your dressing like [TS]

  a white c6 corvette with the but look [TS]

  humongous your google actually she's at [TS]

  Korvettes but it's big but if you see a [TS]

  black one the giant butt on the core [TS]

  value like kind of linton doesn't look [TS]

  so bad you know [TS]

  so one theory and the white car is if [TS]

  you really really like the the way the [TS]

  sheet metal of the car looks in all [TS]

  aspects and you want to see every single [TS]

  part of it [TS]

  get the car and white see if that were [TS]

  true then I feel like there would be [TS]

  more cross-pollination of people who [TS]

  would own white cars and non-white cards [TS]

  but i don't really see that a lot but I [TS]

  usually see is people who have who only [TS]

  ever have white cars and other people [TS]

  who never have liked cars [TS]

  well there's also the white is boring a [TS]

  neutral cup camp and on the other side [TS]

  of that there is the white shows dirt a [TS]

  lot camp so there are other like more [TS]

  mundane practical reasons to get white [TS]

  not get lots of people avoid white [TS]

  because of the dirt issue and lots of [TS]

  people get white because like I can't [TS]

  really decide what color I want this car [TS]

  and and in particular the if you buy [TS]

  cheap cars sometimes your choices are [TS]

  only like white black and one ugly color [TS]

  oh no it's gray gray and gray and silver [TS]

  don't get sober yet great [TS]

  don't worry they're still I was just [TS]

  looking at the bottom line of course i'm [TS]

  probably gonna get a new record sometime [TS]

  this year or next and music if you get [TS]

  on and I don't like my civic we'll talk [TS]

  about that some other time being if you [TS]

  get the bottom of the line accord with [TS]

  the stick shift your you have three [TS]

  color choices like white white black and [TS]

  some ugly tank I don't think even get [TS]

  silver is a choice i have to look at it [TS]

  again and see what the exact colors of [TS]

  but your choices are very limited and so [TS]

  white ends up being like the like I [TS]

  don't know they just the punch color [TS]

  risky i always thought that was silver [TS]

  because there was a time from probably [TS]

  about two thousand two until maybe 2010 [TS]

  where every car was available in 14 [TS]

  shades of silver and then like black and [TS]

  blue and white maybe and that was it [TS]

  like all the other colors got pushed [TS]

  away except in and usually like a [TS]

  high-end sports car maybe then you can [TS]

  get red or something but all the other [TS]

  colors went away and you only had all [TS]

  these different shades of silver and [TS]

  every single car you saw on the road in [TS]

  the last decade is silver and that seems [TS]

  to finally come back now and it without [TS]

  soothing light silver it wasn't it [TS]

  wasn't even like the nice dark deep ones [TS]

  that look kind of nice [TS]

  it was like light silver so every car [TS]

  look the same not even nice with the [TS]

  DeLorean like just light silver that's [TS]

  not paint another Lauren yeah i know [TS]

  it's okay and cause the proud owner of a [TS]

  white car why don't you not just one [TS]

  white car you all the secrets of the [TS]

  wheels car [TS]

  this goes back quite a way so actually [TS]

  one of the things I figured we could [TS]

  talk about it some juncture was our [TS]

  individual car histories and actually to [TS]

  answer this question I need to go back [TS]

  through my individual car history so [TS]

  that time as any [TS]

  yeah so I hope you have to tell us about [TS]

  all of your white cars yeah i did this [TS]

  is true so when I started driving my dad [TS]

  had a 1994 saturn sl2 [TS]

  which I think was like 16 grand off the [TS]

  showroom floor or something like that [TS]

  the thing was a piece of garbage the [TS]

  moment it rolled off the assembly line [TS]

  with its plastic panels and the whole [TS]

  rigmarole but it was as nice of a piece [TS]

  of garbage you can get I suppose that [TS]

  was white as well as glowing [TS]

  recommendation [TS]

  yeah actually I love that car until one [TS]

  of the wheels fell off as I was driving [TS]

  by the way is another story I'd like to [TS]

  tell at some point see I'm already [TS]

  foreshadowing I can handle this but then [TS]

  after that by pure happenstance we had a [TS]

  friend of my dad's had 1991 300zx the [TS]

  non turbo very boring overweight and [TS]

  generally useless kind and that was [TS]

  white and we ended up my my parents [TS]

  ended up buying that is a fun car [TS]

  because it had t-tops which kids these [TS]

  days don't even know what those are but [TS]

  suffice to say you could remove two [TS]

  panels on the roof of the car and and [TS]

  you only have one small sliver of [TS]

  structure between them and that was [TS]

  white and when I graduate or why was my [TS]

  spring semester senior college I bought [TS]

  that car car off my parents and i drove [TS]

  that and so now I've gone from Saturn to [TS]

  300zx both white [TS]

  well this 300zx ended up always being [TS]

  broken [TS]

  go figure because it was a 91 in this [TS]

  was 2004 so at some point I thought well [TS]

  you know what if I'm gonna pay five [TS]

  hundred dollars a month in mechanics [TS]

  fees why don't I just buy a new car and [TS]

  pay the four five hundred dollars a [TS]

  month or whatever it may be to to a loan [TS]

  and I decided to get a subaru legacy gt [TS]

  so it was pretty much all the speed of [TS]

  the WRX but none of the boy racer look [TS]

  at me kind of looks and just trying to [TS]

  holders and that sometime by the way you [TS]

  have what i know and so just by virtue [TS]

  of the fact that i've had two white cars [TS]

  before oh and by the way when the Z was [TS]

  broken i borrowed my dad's white [TS]

  wrangler and so by virtue of always [TS]

  having been in white cars i figured well [TS]

  the hell with it i'll just get it and [TS]

  white and I bought that that subaru new [TS]

  well then just a few months ago I [TS]

  decided while the subaru is starting to [TS]

  spend more time off the road than on so [TS]

  let me finally turning [TS]

  to a complete program or remove all [TS]

  doubt from the fact that I'm a complete [TS]

  print and let me following our good [TS]

  friend Marcos footsteps and get myself a [TS]

  3-series and it was by pure happenstance [TS]

  that I got a white 335 and actually I [TS]

  had nearly bought i am going to butcher [TS]

  the the name of the blue but i want to [TS]

  say was a laguna seca blew it was a BMW [TS]

  individual color from that if i'm not [TS]

  mistaken i almost bought a 335 that had [TS]

  that unbelievably pretty blue but the [TS]

  deal fell through and I just so happened [TS]

  to find this one in white so to be [TS]

  honest with you for this car I had no [TS]

  intention of buying a white one it was [TS]

  just by pure happenstance that that's [TS]

  how it worked out [TS]

  and of course now Marco mercilessly [TS]

  makes fun of me for the fact that I've [TS]

  always heard from white cars see if if [TS]

  if it had only been if this was your [TS]

  second white car or your third white car [TS]

  I would believe that story [TS]

  well it is my third if you don't count [TS]

  the time when I borrowed dad's wrangler [TS]

  well and and the ones you had before it [TS]

  sounds like it's like what your fifth [TS]

  know it's the saturn the Z the borrowed [TS]

  wrangler and then the go into Superman [TS]

  73 this would be should got your day so [TS]

  this is the this is the fourth sir at [TS]

  this incessant now John I i never have [TS]

  asked you what color your car is my [TS]

  karai have not known until this point [TS]

  however I just assumed just by knowing [TS]

  you that you could not possibly be a [TS]

  white car person I'm not a white car [TS]

  person but my first car that I ever [TS]

  owned was white not because I picked up [TS]

  because I inherited from my parents as [TS]

  to help in the case you and i'm not sure [TS]

  why they picked white in it [TS]

  I didn't mind though it was 92 civic I [TS]

  didn't mind quite in my car but it [TS]

  certainly was not the color that I would [TS]

  have picked if I bought it myself but it [TS]

  everything for the reasons I decided [TS]

  before if there's anything I don't like [TS]

  about the shape of a car no way I'm [TS]

  gonna get in white and even if i did [TS]

  like everything about the shape of the [TS]

  car I which is rare i would be worried [TS]

  about dirt and white cars do look kind [TS]

  of scummy especially if you're you know [TS]

  New England the winter they get all [TS]

  gross like the same reason the black [TS]

  cars kind of maintenance headache where [TS]

  it looks great when it's all black and [TS]

  sleep but then the road salt covers the [TS]

  whole bottom third of the car it's not [TS]

  looking so hot name [TS]

  I i think you know anytime you bring up [TS]

  car color choices you always hear this [TS]

  argument about dirt and showing dirt and [TS]

  everything else I think it's all just [TS]

  total i I really don't think that [TS]

  different colors really show or hide [TS]

  dirt any better than other colors it in [TS]

  a meaningful difference because you know [TS]

  the fact is cars with these highly [TS]

  polished clear-coated beautiful and [TS]

  sometimes these metallic colors that [TS]

  look really nice [TS]

  there's these these huge sheets of [TS]

  usually curved metal that that are [TS]

  highly polished and painted like this [TS]

  and look awesome when they're clean [TS]

  if you put down any of those colors [TS]

  you're going to see it especially if you [TS]

  put a lot of dirt like if you're driving [TS]

  on salty roads are in on dirt roads or [TS]

  any point that like you're going to see [TS]

  that regardless of our color you have [TS]

  but it's like it's the missing effect [TS]

  like an England especially in the winter [TS]

  when you have the spray and the salt [TS]

  like you get the white missing and a [TS]

  white missing over a pure black car [TS]

  radically changes the color whereas i'm [TS]

  not white missing over say a silver car [TS]

  very subtly changes the color obviously [TS]

  gloss is always going to go away from [TS]

  dirt but salt in particular because it's [TS]

  not like localized it's you know very [TS]

  subtle it will be very subtle on a car [TS]

  that kind of matches the color of road [TS]

  salt kind of neutral whereas on a on a [TS]

  black car with totally show up in white [TS]

  it's the the mud and dirt factory you [TS]

  can get a surprising amount of like [TS]

  sprayed on mud on the bottom part of [TS]

  like a forest green car and it will be [TS]

  like what kind of lenses but you get [TS]

  that in a white garlic someone to a dump [TS]

  on the bottom of your car is just [TS]

  terrible looking [TS]

  are you sure that's not because if you [TS]

  see a forest green car in 2013 it's [TS]

  probably like 94 camry which already [TS]

  looks kinda crappy and their that [TS]

  integer low that is definitely on energy [TS]

  insider camry or it's the subaru outback [TS]

  wagon that hasn't died from like 2001 or [TS]

  95 i just tried to put a link into the [TS]

  two cat things because i can't find a [TS]

  group chat room of this laguna seca blue [TS]

  yeah it wasn't going to say it's LeMond [TS]

  I was wrong [TS]

  hope is that blue is not good now that [TS]

  blue see that in french i mean i just [TS]

  tried it I don't even know that how you [TS]

  say it I'm not gonna try [TS]

  that's because you're smart i actually [TS]

  just paste it in the group chat area [TS]

  because i can find it because i know how [TS]

  to use it not just your life with her [TS]

  is it roic let's see what we got here I [TS]

  think this podcast contain as much [TS]

  clicking this time and typing as [TS]

  possible because everyone likes [TS]

  listening to the yeah that's that's [TS]

  that's a nice blend a decent blue is [TS]

  yours a group [TS]

  no mine is not mine is a four-door I the [TS]

  only Cooper had is Suzie and while it [TS]

  was fun i don't think i'll ever do it [TS]

  again the coop has better-looking [TS]

  headlights in a better looking around [TS]

  the city in so handy so are you kind of [TS]

  like a rear-end guy with cars now I [TS]

  don't think I'm just saying that certain [TS]

  cars have how about your women different [TS]

  at different characteristics that would [TS]

  stand out [TS]

  well I found I found over time that that [TS]

  what I look at in a car like that the [TS]

  features that i care alot of that have [TS]

  changed and so more recently I i just [TS]

  had to place an order for my next car [TS]

  because my lease is going to expire and [TS]

  we'll talk about that some other time [TS]

  but this is the first time ever i've [TS]

  ever purchased a car or I've given a [TS]

  crap at all about the wheels like wheel [TS]

  styling is this whole different world [TS]

  the first time really all the usually [TS]

  scars I've had the ones i've gotten used [TS]

  I haven't even noticed the wheels and [TS]

  the ones I've gotten to I just picked [TS]

  the stock wheels whatever they came with [TS]

  I'd never have paid extra for premium [TS]

  wheels or anything like that i always [TS]

  thought that was like rims on I've ever [TS]

  even purchased tire i thought that was [TS]

  the most common thing that even like [TS]

  non-car people would be picky about I [TS]

  thought that was like them you know the [TS]

  the lowest-hanging fruit of once you [TS]

  become interested in cars appearance [TS]

  wheels right away now am I crazy [TS]

  no I would agree with that and actually [TS]

  one of the things so the 335 that I got [TS]

  it was impossible to find because I was [TS]

  trying to get one used and and I wanted [TS]

  one with the m-sport package and so this [TS]

  actually ties into what both were saying [TS]

  the m-sport package of him honest is [TS]

  really an obnoxious I'm gonna put [TS]

  aesthetic cladding all over the car that [TS]

  makes it seem like it's closer to an m3 [TS]

  but it's not and the reason i wanted it [TS]

  was because the front air dam I way low [TS]

  below the kidneys on the front of the [TS]

  car is quite a bit bigger than the [TS]

  standard be 93 series and i think it [TS]

  makes a world of difference so [TS]

  for me to your point Marco I never used [TS]

  to care about an air dam but now I feel [TS]

  like that makes a world of difference in [TS]

  the other thing about it that I really [TS]

  loved were the wheels and the the link [TS]

  that i pasted in the chat with the look [TS]

  at the lemond blue has different wheels [TS]

  even though i believe that is named [TS]

  sport but the point I'm driving it is i [TS]

  would agree that wheels are even amongst [TS]

  non card weeds are one of the things [TS]

  that almost anyone will look at because [TS]

  that's why they're all the aftermarket [TS]

  rim market is so packed because you know [TS]

  people who may not be that the cars that [TS]

  like the wheels jump out at you I would [TS]

  break down car aesthetics into like [TS]

  pieces named after body parts because [TS]

  the way we do it [TS]

  there's the face of the car like you [TS]

  know the front of it BMW have this thing [TS]

  to face with the headlights as being the [TS]

  eyes and kind of the the grill is being [TS]

  the nose and mouth and stuff like that [TS]

  there is the tale of the car was kind of [TS]

  the cars but and you can have you know a [TS]

  big fat but low squat butter whatever [TS]

  and then I did the neck the other pieces [TS]

  like the overall shape like how long are [TS]

  the overhang is it like cab foreigner [TS]

  cab backwards that have a humongous hood [TS]

  in a little bubble on the backers and [TS]

  more centered it's the reason it's the [TS]

  reason mid-engined cars look so exotic [TS]

  desk because the position of the engine [TS]

  allows the overall shape of the car with [TS]

  different regardless of the details of [TS]

  the face regardless of details of the [TS]

  butts or even the sides or anything [TS]

  mid-engined cars look different because [TS]

  the overall shape is different that's [TS]

  why you know 911 looks different because [TS]

  the engines in the back [TS]

  those are the major components of a car [TS]

  and of course the wheel so we just [TS]

  talked about and everything after that [TS]

  if you like these details like I don't [TS]

  like the body cladding or the scoops on [TS]

  the side or ugly or you know one of my [TS]

  everyone has their own little individual [TS]

  peeves one of my peeves is a side view [TS]

  mirrors the way they're integrated into [TS]

  the rest of the car can really be [TS]

  off-putting to me especially on some [TS]

  super cars when they get fancy [TS]

  that's an interesting thing to pay [TS]

  attention it's an idiosyncrasy like [TS]

  wearing about somebody's ears all right [TS]

  now it's not caring about someone [TS]

  cuticle see what about bugs me is I i [TS]

  recently gotten you know as since I've [TS]

  been in the market for a car the last [TS]

  couple months I've been [TS]

  and paying a lot more attention to the [TS]

  ones i see on the road because whenever [TS]

  whenever a new car for me is near I get [TS]

  totally obsessed the same way you [TS]

  research toasters John I get totally [TS]

  obsessed and and pay attention to [TS]

  everything on the road and do all these [TS]

  races all this research I cannot for the [TS]

  life of me figure out how tioga has not [TS]

  sued hyundai have you seen I I gotta [TS]

  find a picture first of all we have to [TS]

  create show notes i have to create a way [TS]

  for those to appear and then i'll put a [TS]

  link to these in these in these mystery [TS]

  show notes [TS]

  have you seen a recent hyundai sedan [TS]

  recent now now I think they have parts [TS]

  of their distinctively hyundai like I [TS]

  don't think they look as much like todos [TS]

  is you're making it out to be [TS]

  because when i see a Hyundai it looks [TS]

  like a Toyota that has made with the [TS]

  swamp thing because they have two arms [TS]

  of kind of lots of kind of weird like [TS]

  aquatic creases fins and and striations [TS]

  that Toyota doesn't do toad was far less [TS]

  like bars of something that used to be [TS]

  but now I very distinct an Irish bring [TS]

  your done probably died know this stuff [TS]

  has chiseled edges it's more like a dog [TS]

  that's been sitting in the back up for [TS]

  awhile hardware bunch of nerds basic [TS]

  you're right know that I think with [TS]

  Hyundai what what what bothered me the [TS]

  most i wasn't i was in a parking lot i [TS]

  was driving through and I saw a Hyundai [TS]

  something so band but and build the [TS]

  badge the logo badge on it first of all [TS]

  the the styling of the Hyundai badge you [TS]

  can tell it is intentionally a lot like [TS]

  the positive edge you know I can have [TS]

  its like the metal inside the oval with [TS]

  the big kind of the diagonalization it's [TS]

  all kind of sweep like it looks very [TS]

  similar to the tree bench and then you [TS]

  know how it with toyota and lexus they [TS]

  do that obnoxious thing where they have [TS]

  like the different faded blue tint [TS]

  inside the badge for hybrid vehicles [TS]

  using that kept updated the exact same [TS]

  thing on Monday but i don't know i don't [TS]

  even know whether it needs to be hybrid [TS]

  for them or not it look the Hyundai [TS]

  badge that I saw it is it looks exactly [TS]

  like the Toyota hybrid badge [TS]

  and let and even like oh it was a sonata [TS]

  can remember even seeing the word sanada [TS]

  on the trunk lid like it looked the same [TS]

  style the Toyota uses when they put [TS]

  camera no it's it was such a blatant rip [TS]

  III was like I i tried to take a picture [TS]

  of I had enough time to make sure they [TS]

  don't use a Toyota hybrid powertrain a [TS]

  lot of make carmakers do license that [TS]

  from Toyota and use it so could be [TS]

  they're actually using that power to me [TS]

  that's it yeah you're right maybe that [TS]

  could be it but you think they would [TS]

  because it seemed like on tons of people [TS]

  do that i'm always amazed at like 100 [TS]

  competitors will license each other [TS]

  stuff because like we don't have a one [TS]

  of these and they do and despite the [TS]

  fact that were deadly enemies will like [TS]

  okay we'll just use their stuff looks [TS]

  like the Toyota biru the god I'm drawing [TS]

  a blank [TS]

  the subaru brz and am 6i think the same [TS]

  as the ford probe and the was the other [TS]

  one come on our people for pro but it's [TS]

  doing it was the oh there with the know [TS]

  i'm wrong but one of the European things [TS]

  that they mentioned on top here that i [TS]

  always forget about you guys can both be [TS]

  too young the ford probe had a twin that [TS]

  I believe was a monstery going back [TS]

  father was the law of the plymouth laser [TS]

  466 now LOL sedan anyway that there's [TS]

  been these these twin cars like the [TS]

  current FRS and brz from many different [TS]

  makers and the ford probe was one of the [TS]

  twins and I forget where the other one [TS]

  was and the plymouth laser was twins [TS]

  with the eagle talon that's a little bit [TS]

  different because both jam but when the [TS]

  talent was the mitsubishi eclipse 20th [TS]

  got out I was somehow the Japanese when [TS]

  you mitsubishi eclipse the the one with [TS]

  laser in the Ford the eagle talon where [TS]

  the same car and the ford probe is the [TS]

  same car is some maybe maza thing afford [TS]

  it must have been always been close but [TS]

  yeah that that happens a lot and like [TS]

  the super thing is weird because like [TS]

  big favor he like wait a second you you [TS]

  pick the powertrain from subaru that's [TS]

  what you picked from the super part of [TS]

  this partnership and people love [TS]

  horizontally-opposed engines Casey love [TS]

  them i will all based on one purchase [TS]

  and how I love horizontally-opposed into [TS]

  you love the wine got actually shimmy in [TS]

  the wine it's funny because one of the [TS]

  things that that struck me so odd about [TS]

  the legacy was that despite being a [TS]

  turbocharged car you could never ever [TS]

  here [TS]

  the hits of the turbo and one of the [TS]

  things that I actually do not like about [TS]

  the 335 is that I can actually hear blow [TS]

  off valve so now i sound like one of [TS]

  those douchebag kids that used to drive [TS]

  around campus when I was included in [TS]

  school with their you know that new at [TS]

  the time WRX is with these you blow off [TS]

  valves and so they just dropped you [TS]

  drive around stand on the gas from 0 to [TS]

  10 miles an hour and shifts all you [TS]

  here's lops and that's what we heard [TS]

  over and over again and it was [TS]

  ridiculous and I i guess it's just [TS]

  because I'm so sensitive to it but I can [TS]

  hear the blow-off valve in the 335 or [TS]

  maybe it's a recirculating valve which [TS]

  is I think how the subaru worked but [TS]

  whatever it is I here nevermind we have [TS]

  a blow-off valve and it drives me [TS]

  berserk [TS]

  see I don't know much about how these [TS]

  things actually work and and what the [TS]

  sounds of them hearing this and I i [TS]

  attribute most turbocharged cars is in [TS]

  the exhaust note when you lift off the [TS]

  gas and I think it's the wastegate if [TS]

  I've heard these terms correctly and it [TS]

  kind of sounds like the exhaust like has [TS]

  like a congested throat for a second you [TS]

  know talking about [TS]

  yeah that's it from the turbo i'm not [TS]

  sure which one it is but the wastegate [TS]

  it [TS]

  well I am no mechanic but my [TS]

  understanding is the bluff Alan [TS]

  wastegate basically had served the same [TS]

  purpose just do it different ways email [TS]

  kc ya please help me God I'm screwed [TS]

  but but yeah I mean it's it turbocharged [TS]

  cars are just an odd breed which could [TS]

  probably dedicate a whole episode 2 if [TS]

  we really cared well and we probably [TS]

  will [TS]

  where did we start out we were talking [TS]

  about mutant clone cars yeah I don't [TS]

  know why they decided to take the subaru [TS]

  drivetrain expect and why not take a [TS]

  turbocharged one I mean why we're using [TS]

  this naturally aspirated horizontally [TS]

  opposed four-cylinder in what is from [TS]

  everything I've read this unbelievably [TS]

  great and nimble chassis and but from [TS]

  everything I've read it's very [TS]

  underpowered and that just seems tiny I [TS]

  see a lot of on the road I think that [TS]

  car is a great idea that's a great idea [TS]

  example like if i look at that car that [TS]

  think when I saw pictures of them like [TS]

  little homely right there when you see [TS]

  it in the road still don't like the face [TS]

  the butt is so so but the overall shape [TS]

  is very attractive like it doesn't look [TS]

  like other cars in order reminds me of [TS]

  kind of like not your bloated nineties [TS]

  300gb like the one before that you can [TS]

  kiss my I like that I like that 300 z [TS]

  was less blood than current cars but it [TS]

  was it like 300 he puffed out like you [TS]

  remember the original like they're only [TS]

  the Datsun 240 and maybe that's also [TS]

  before your times but like some all [TS]

  Japanese cheap a rear-wheel-drive sports [TS]

  car that was like you know actually [TS]

  cheap that like you could buy it if you [TS]

  could price shop next to an accord you [TS]

  know that type of price that Z we had [TS]

  that we bought it from the original [TS]

  owner and and he had the sticker and i [TS]

  don't remember exactly but i want to say [TS]

  in 1991 the Z was like 37,000 or [TS]

  something absurd like this and this was [TS]

  a non turbo this thing was obese is a [TS]

  whale it couldn't get out of its own way [TS]

  it handled reasonably well and it was a [TS]

  lot of fun but in 91 it was like thirty [TS]

  seven thousand dollars i mean that's [TS]

  just unbelievable [TS]

  that's Wow see ya in today's dollars [TS]

  that's like what like 300,000 yeah it's [TS]

  whatever it is it's a lot i can tell you [TS]

  that but your car in the chat room there [TS]

  with the t-top but before that it was [TS]

  like a couple it's a horrible rice [TS]

  lightweight oh well you know it's hard [TS]

  to find google image search shows me [TS]

  lots of things with body cladding gonna [TS]

  tell you [TS]

  well it was a nice friendly car to say [TS]

  the least and then so is my 92 civic are [TS]

  we allowed to say rice is that like [TS]

  racially insensitive or has a neutral [TS]

  term now I think it is not neutral and [TS]

  it is racially insensitive but the thing [TS]

  about it is is like when you know you're [TS]

  besmirching the cut the I guess it [TS]

  indirectly the people who made the car [TS]

  but you kind of talking it's more like [TS]

  you're talking about geographically [TS]

  speaking where it comes from and then [TS]

  you're saying you know but like that i [TS]

  think it may have wrapped around because [TS]

  it's we're using it as kind of a term of [TS]

  my love is determined dearman because we [TS]

  think that kind of aftermarket stuff is [TS]

  a little bit gaudy but I don't know [TS]

  people call the motorcycles they go [TS]

  really fast rice rockets and I think [TS]

  they mean it [TS]

  well I don't do they mean it as a [TS]

  compliment I don't know you had a whole [TS]

  other motorcycles I don't know anything [TS]

  about american cars i don't know [TS]

  anything about I mean there's the SUVs [TS]

  vans that whole category i don't know [TS]

  anything about like once you get your [TS]

  minivan you know all about that right [TS]

  no i don't think so i have left my next [TS]

  family car and it is not an event i saw [TS]

  your next family car was going over the [TS]

  throgs neck bridge just this weekend [TS]

  with my brother and a four-wheel drive [TS]

  BMW 5-series drop acid is marcos next [TS]

  car could be him on his way home we'll [TS]

  see about that [TS]

  icic pretty cloudy because I what [TS]

  happened no what are you kidding i like [TS]

  that's terrible [TS]

  now i feel privileged because i know and [TS]

  that now I'm not gonna say anything [TS]

  see the problem without first of all I [TS]

  found that every time like different [TS]

  different car brand dealers i found are [TS]

  actually fairly consistent between [TS]

  different dealerships in like their [TS]

  attitudes and how nice they are housed [TS]

  there to you like if you found that like [TS]

  that like within the brand it's usually [TS]

  pretty much the same i haven't done [TS]

  enough car dealerships to Noah and [TS]

  everyone i've been to for every brand [TS]

  has been slimy CII fat so I did all like [TS]

  car dealership stuff when I was growing [TS]

  up in Columbus where I would always go [TS]

  with anybody in my family who was going [TS]

  going to the dealer to get a new car [TS]

  something which didn't happen much as [TS]

  you know my my whole childhood we [TS]

  basically had three toyota's that would [TS]

  like that cover my entire flight from [TS]

  birth until I graduated from college I [TS]

  was three toyota's and and only because [TS]

  the first one was like 10 years before [TS]

  my birth when I started so I would [TS]

  always go anyway and of course i would [TS]

  always you know like fake that was [TS]

  interested even when I was 17 and oh [TS]

  yeah look at that mr2 that's interesting [TS]

  entry no try to get myself a test drive [TS]

  and usually i would succeed and they [TS]

  knew i couldn't buy it you know but they [TS]

  didn't it was like you know a tuesday [TS]

  they were bored so anyway huh [TS]

  but I found like Toyota has been [TS]

  remarkably bad it so between columbus [TS]

  Pittsburgh and two different places in [TS]

  New York i have found toyota dealerships [TS]

  have been ridiculous just sleazy like [TS]

  nasty rude and animal and the [TS]

  salespeople badger me like look crazy [TS]

  afterwards like the [TS]

  if you give them a phone number it's [TS]

  actually real they'll call you every [TS]

  single day wondering if you've made your [TS]

  purchase decision yet and when you want [TS]

  to come in its crazy like super high [TS]

  pressure all the sleazy stuff with the [TS]

  you know going to go to my manager and [TS]

  i'll see you know and all that stuff [TS]

  which you know you wouldn't think so [TS]

  because Twitter otherwise is a pretty [TS]

  respectable brand but like it just had [TS]

  like a honda i found was very good Honda [TS]

  was really super nice in into different [TS]

  dealerships honda has been awesome to me [TS]

  like really because it might my car [TS]

  before I before the dark time in [TS]

  Brooklyn that was a Honda and perfectly [TS]

  nice people nice on really super-nice [TS]

  volkswagen terrible [TS]

  howdy terrible i think your sample size [TS]

  is way too small because how many folks [TS]

  working with ginger 230 yes instituted [TS]

  sample size is way too small because I [TS]

  think becomes what it comes down to is [TS]

  that unlike apple stores card car [TS]

  manufacturers either can or just do [TS]

  exert very little control over their [TS]

  dealers and so the variability is crazy [TS]

  because like from that perspective we [TS]

  just send you these cars and you have to [TS]

  make numbers or whatever and there are [TS]

  different strategies to do that one of [TS]

  them is the obnoxious hard selling as [TS]

  obnoxious as that is it probably [TS]

  producing results other one is like [TS]

  those that were friendly come to us [TS]

  thing and that works for some people and [TS]

  it could be regional or just who happens [TS]

  to own the thing or who owns the chain [TS]

  you know what some dudes last name it's [TS]

  like insert last name here [TS]

  honda brand you just learned that guy [TS]

  makes all his his dealers do the [TS]

  high-pressure sales thing but like Honda [TS]

  i think has no control over that because [TS]

  they just you know they have a dealer [TS]

  network and it's like a franchise thing [TS]

  and I don't care what you're doing your [TS]

  dealer just follow our rules and sell [TS]

  our cars but then like the National [TS]

  place called you after you buy something [TS]

  that big survey and all the dealers like [TS]

  please radios all fives it helps a lot [TS]

  of us that's my favorite part of the [TS]

  dinosaur cut our funding they're gonna [TS]

  kill my entire family if you put [TS]

  anything other than five yeah every [TS]

  single question that's us that's the [TS]

  highest pressure part they sell that [TS]

  harder than like the extended warranty [TS]

  yes that's because that's what they're [TS]

  you know but like I think some of the [TS]

  luxury bands to exert some control like [TS]

  I think like that they're not real [TS]

  high-end brands like a Mercedes BMW [TS]

  lexus and i think i just read something [TS]

  about lexus redoing this have like a [TS]

  kind of like a story Bible for a TV show [TS]

  but they have for the dealer's never [TS]

  like apple store stuff like this is the [TS]

  way the dealership works this is how it [TS]

  looks this is the roles of the people [TS]

  who are involved in it when you come in [TS]

  this person greets you they get you know [TS]

  like they really try to nail it down to [TS]

  provide a consistent experience but of [TS]

  course you can afford to do that when [TS]

  the margin of your car or as big as the [TS]

  margins for bmw's but when you're [TS]

  selling honda's you selling you know [TS]

  sixteen thousand dollar honda's you [TS]

  probably don't have a lot of money left [TS]

  over to be enforcing some no strict [TS]

  policy that kind of reminds me of [TS]

  Saturday know speaking of cases other [TS]

  terrible cars a saturn dealer think [TS]

  number they did like the no-haggle [TS]

  pricing and like we're all family here [TS]

  like they definitely had a theme you [TS]

  know from the mother ship you know grant [TS]

  GM whatever but they said we're going to [TS]

  do this weird side project with these [TS]

  terrible plastic cars that no one wants [TS]

  but the deals we really friendly and you [TS]

  won't have to haggle a little bit fixed [TS]

  price and we'll see how that works but [TS]

  it turns out if you make a lousy car [TS]

  that doesn't work it [TS]

  well it's funny you bring that bring up [TS]

  Saturn in that regard because there's a [TS]

  used car dealership and I don't know how [TS]

  big they are but carmax is of is very [TS]

  much taking up that no haggle mantle [TS]

  that that Saturn once had and so carmax [TS]

  actually is a spin-off of circuit city [TS]

  and circuit city was based in richmond [TS]

  virginia which is where i am and so [TS]

  there's a carmax every three feet here [TS]

  and they are very much the no haggle and [TS]

  you know hey if you buy the car sweet if [TS]

  you don't we really don't care [TS]

  sort of place and it its it's an odd [TS]

  experience my mother-in-law actually [TS]

  just bought a car from them and I went [TS]

  along with her to help her out when she [TS]

  did her initial visit and it's very [TS]

  weird they didn't really give the heart [TS]

  cell now with that said when we bought [TS]

  errands car my wife's car [TS]

  she is a two thousand seven months 26 [TS]

  and that literally took us a year to get [TS]

  the dealer to come down to a price we're [TS]

  willing to pay which was not that [TS]

  absurdly low a price and it they did the [TS]

  hard sell they did they let me talk to [TS]

  the manager at one point towards the end [TS]

  they said yes we'll match that price [TS]

  will give you that price and we came in [TS]

  to sign the paperwork and they said well [TS]

  only if you financed through us and it [TS]

  was just I was awful it was absolutely [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  we found in our in so one of the ways [TS]

  i've seen so many dealerships around [TS]

  here recently is because a couple years [TS]

  ago we are looking for a car for my wife [TS]

  and we we did eventually get a lexus [TS]

  is250 which I'll tell you all about some [TS]

  of the time and you say i have this cars [TS]

  i mean come on I didn't pick it and it [TS]

  to to be fair Alexis it is a reasonable [TS]

  car and in many ways it is quite good in [TS]

  many ways it's not so anyway we were [TS]

  looking at so many different dealers [TS]

  because what what she wanted was a car [TS]

  that does not exist in america which is [TS]

  a nice small hatchback that is that has [TS]

  a luxurious interior the audi a3 is [TS]

  almost that car but that's pretty much [TS]

  the only choice so far and act like [TS]

  nothing else really comes comes close to [TS]

  that that's available in the u.s. right [TS]

  now our god help you if we ever release [TS]

  this because every GTI owner under the [TS]

  sun is going to email you and show you a [TS]

  new one [TS]

  yeah that the other will be a 3 is like [TS]

  a luxury GTI right and and it feels like [TS]

  it which is unfortunate because it costs [TS]

  twice as much roughly and it in short [TS]

  the problem with the audi a3 one of the [TS]

  biggest reasons we did not select it is [TS]

  because it only has one powered seat [TS]

  I don't even know how to say this [TS]

  delicately but do you know how douchey [TS]

  you sound don't think about it think [TS]

  about what that into so it's this car [TS]

  that costs a lot it's like once you add [TS]

  reasonable options to an audi a3 I off [TS]

  top of my head I forget you know exactly [TS]

  but I think it's like a 34 thousand [TS]

  dollar car 35 that like it can get up [TS]

  there really fast [TS]

  well GTI's what are near 30 i think or [TS]

  even over 30 are they really well anyway [TS]

  I don't know the the a3 can get really [TS]

  expensive really fast once you put any [TS]

  reasonable options on [TS]

  so you're driving around is this very [TS]

  expensive car you know for what it is [TS]

  for for a small hatch [TS]

  yes it has a luxurious interior you know [TS]

  sort of but for the most part it is you [TS]

  know it is that but it doesn't really [TS]

  feel like much more of an expensive car [TS]

  than the GTI does and the GTI oh my god [TS]

  please email Casey the GI doesn't feel [TS]

  that different from golf like it the [TS]

  interior quality wise driveways of [TS]

  course yeah it's way faster and [TS]

  everything but the quality of the [TS]

  Interior the seat comfort all that stuff [TS]

  not that different between [TS]

  the Gulf the GTI and the a3 and that's [TS]

  really the problem is like you know [TS]

  whenever you get a car like that you [TS]

  know that the base golf is what like [TS]

  seventeen thousand dollars something [TS]

  like that no so you basically feel like [TS]

  you're still in a seventeen thousand [TS]

  dollar car in a lot of ways even when [TS]

  you're in the 30 whatever [TS]

  thousand-dollar 83 [TS]

  yeah that's the problem with a car's a [TS]

  luxury brands made by luxury cars made [TS]

  by brands that are really luxury brands [TS]

  is that a certain point you go you [TS]

  overextend the company parent company's [TS]

  parts been right at the audi a3 [TS]

  shouldn't have that problem really goes [TS]

  out he doesn't make fancy cars but the [TS]

  greater the best examples like the [TS]

  Corvette was like the Corvette is as it [TS]

  has been especially in recent years [TS]

  I'm very respectable performance car but [TS]

  it's made by a parent company that does [TS]

  not have an excess of interior parts and [TS]

  design know how to make a luxury things [TS]

  you buy a hundred-thousand-dollar [TS]

  corvette zr1 and the interior looks like [TS]

  $15,000 car with chunky plastic and [TS]

  uncomfortable seats and you're like [TS]

  what's going on here like well I don't [TS]

  know they just they don't have they [TS]

  don't know how to make nice interiors [TS]

  for their car sorry we didn't like it [TS]

  you think they would throw more money at [TS]

  either just not a priority or they just [TS]

  don't have those things available so of [TS]

  course like no matter how much you got [TS]

  to have that Volkswagen like [TS]

  everything's big exception of the but [TS]

  faith beyond or the hell that crazy [TS]

  Phaeton Phaeton 250 grand VW didn't [TS]

  catch on [TS]

  they just don't have parts and then the [TS]

  the Volkswagen parts been to make a [TS]

  luxurious colleges have sturdy center [TS]

  workmanlike German parts when and the [TS]

  any other problem with the a3 is that [TS]

  because you know it so it is it is [TS]

  basically a an audi s5 like a luxury [TS]

  version of the GTI but then it's also [TS]

  out his lowest and car yet which means [TS]

  and how do i want to capitalize the [TS]

  hyatt their higher end sail u-va for is [TS]

  not that much more above it you know [TS]

  segment wise especially like the four [TS]

  wagons but not that much you know bigger [TS]

  different more expensive it's very close [TS]

  so they don't want to capitalize those [TS]

  silver so you have like this ugly [TS]

  duckling of a car where it had it has to [TS]

  justify its a debadge it is a premium [TS]

  priced car but he doesn't want to make [TS]

  too nice it's also a pretty small card [TS]

  is not a lot of you know room there to [TS]

  add a bunch of heavy luxurious stuff [TS]

  either so you want to save weight safe [TS]

  sighs but still have this 30-something [TS]

  thousand-dollar little hatchback really [TS]

  nice isn't he 3 also is another case [TS]

  where there's a small version of a [TS]

  well-known us brand that has been [TS]

  available for europe for seven [TS]

  generations they just never been to the [TS]

  US because we don't like small cars and [TS]

  all of a sudden they deign to bring it [TS]

  to the US I don't know I realized [TS]

  realized what we're getting is the [TS]

  current generation of the a3 that's been [TS]

  available in europe for two decades and [TS]

  in Europe becomes a stick shift in cloth [TS]

  seats but here it's like oh well those [TS]

  Americans they think about is a luxury [TS]

  brand so we better go see it up and you [TS]

  know so it's not like you're getting the [TS]

  you're getting too fancy version of what [TS]

  is actually a much more prosaic car in [TS]

  Europe they just hasn't been sold here [TS]

  because we're big fat Americans writers [TS]

  I mean they're very similar problems the [TS]

  BMW 1-series very similar wherein in [TS]

  Europe they sell a whole lot of one [TS]

  series cars that are actually exactly [TS]

  what it was looking for you know small [TS]

  hatchbacks that are that have nice [TS]

  interiors but they also have a huge you [TS]

  know medium and lower end market that we [TS]

  don't get over here you know that you [TS]

  know little things that have like one [TS]

  and a half liter engine stuff like that [TS]

  but that's what the reason I brought the [TS]

  a3 is because i really have to give [TS]

  volkswagen credit they had the worst [TS]

  dealer I've ever been like we go there [TS]

  and we're trying to because we wanted to [TS]

  basically compare the GTI and the a3 and [TS]

  see if we can test drive both and see [TS]

  how different they were and the dealers [TS]

  we go in there and they have these these [TS]

  like square leather cushioned kind of [TS]

  modern takes on chairs and you sit on it [TS]

  but it's it has a slight incline so you [TS]

  sit on it and you immediately just slide [TS]

  forward like you just slide off so they [TS]

  have these chairs you could not sit the [TS]

  only people that were that figure out of [TS]

  sitting these where the two salesmen [TS]

  that were sitting in these shares the [TS]

  only place where customers can sit and [TS]

  wait for anybody to sales were sitting [TS]

  there eating lunch these giant like you [TS]

  know unwrapped sandwich paper's like [TS]

  fuck replace it like this like there's [TS]

  nowhere else you guys can go like it was [TS]

  so we're so you know we go immediately [TS]

  any of we we were looking around for [TS]

  somebody to help us nobody could help [TS]

  but nobody was available nobody was [TS]

  there but nobody was available [TS]

  eventually we get help from you know we [TS]

  finally find somebody who can help us [TS]

  and we start asking okay so you know [TS]

  we're looking at Matt maybe you know GTI [TS]

  or maybe used to well configured golf [TS]

  you know what you know what your [TS]

  availability know what one of these [TS]

  options are available and have a [TS]

  question with the armrest the guy could [TS]

  not answer a single question like he did [TS]

  he couldn't even tell us like whether [TS]

  they would have any or not like it was [TS]

  it was ridiculously simple questions oh [TS]

  is this thing an option [TS]

  oh I don't let me look in the book and [TS]

  he would you know where this big book I [TS]

  don't know you put your pages all this [TS]

  first week on the job Marco number i [TS]

  don't think so like it just and and he [TS]

  didn't I don't know when was this [TS]

  because you might not look like serious [TS]

  buyers two years ago I had well-being [TS]

  you but you're both short and look young [TS]

  we showed up in a 328i mean it couldn't [TS]

  have been that bad but they don't know [TS]

  that they don't know that they see you [TS]

  drive up and they might have actually in [TS]

  with it here in New York there's not a [TS]

  lot of room for parking lots so [TS]

  generally when you hook up to a dealer [TS]

  your parking right in front of the [TS]

  showroom in one of four spots they have [TS]

  available maybe and and then you know [TS]

  they have some giant garage or a lot [TS]

  somewhere else has their actual [TS]

  inventory in it i have some real-time [TS]

  follow-up hair from who i was down for [TS]

  anything for myself I i was trying I was [TS]

  killing me that I can remember what the [TS]

  heck between carter the $YEAR ford probe [TS]

  is and maybe I was just misremembering [TS]

  it just because ford probe is based on a [TS]

  lot of mazda parts so to make up for my [TS]

  flub in thinking that the former between [TS]

  card I've looked up another one is a [TS]

  mitsubishi 3000gt in the beauty and the [TS]

  dodge stealth remember those twins like [TS]

  those were with the probe I remembered [TS]

  also not with the probe those are like [TS]

  I'm making up for my 4 i'm [TS]

  misremembering of the probe the probe [TS]

  was a Ford car that was filled with [TS]

  mazda parts right but the mitsubishi [TS]

  3000gt and the dodge stealth were the [TS]

  same car with different you know right [TS]

  and they were the competitor to my 300zx [TS]

  well maybe not mine decided crummy one [TS]

  but in principle the 3000gt was this [TS]

  massively wasn't long and i'm american [TS]

  we was a fake Ferrari was effect [TS]

  companies for our EMR to the mr2 is a [TS]

  miniature fake Japanese [TS]

  ferrari and mitsubishi 3000gt and judge [TS]

  sell for bigger thought the best thing [TS]

  about the mitsubishi speaking of styling [TS]

  is one of my favorite things ever seen [TS]

  car stalling so the mitsubishi 3000gt [TS]

  was shamelessly copping off i think it [TS]

  was the kind of wished you remember the [TS]

  car styling was it was copying off of i [TS]

  think it was copying off of the ferrari [TS]

  360 what I'm i don't know i'm going to [TS]

  moderate but they had scoops in the side [TS]

  of their car that are no I reverse first [TS]

  they were doing the 348 348 had like the [TS]

  fins kinda like testarossa but not [TS]

  really like fewer fins on the ferrari [TS]

  348 right and so the mitsubishi 3000gt [TS]

  had little fins on the side like 340 and [TS]

  when the 360 came out and traded the [TS]

  fins too much larger scoop things they [TS]

  changed the body cladding on the side of [TS]

  3000gt from a bunch of pins to two [TS]

  scoops and it was just like this tiny [TS]

  little mirror of yet we're tracking for [TS]

  our styling that closely that it's like [TS]

  the cars look nothing like each other [TS]

  except that was clearly trying to have [TS]

  right but this one little details like a [TS]

  sticker on the side of the car [TS]

  practically not really but what this [TS]

  tiny little detail like oh that they [TS]

  changed it's not it's not friends [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  quick get a new piece of plastic and [TS]

  slap it on there so it looks like me it [TS]

  was just it was something that couldn't [TS]

  have been accidental because the track [TS]

  is so closely and yeah but that's that's [TS]

  just the Japanese have a little bit of a [TS]

  pro aspirational styling problem [TS]

  especially a long time ago and I think [TS]

  now that I've kind of found their own [TS]

  but now did you know that both the [TS]

  3000gt vr4 and the twin-turbo 300zx of [TS]

  that era so I'm talking early nineties [TS]

  both of them had four-wheel steering and [TS]

  if memory serves at least on the z at [TS]

  low speeds it when I'm a butcher this [TS]

  it's so email Marco but at low speeds [TS]

  the the rear wheels would turn with the [TS]

  front wheel and I'm sorry against the [TS]

  front wheel so if you turn the front [TS]

  wheels to the left the rear wheels [TS]

  return to the right if i'm not mistaken [TS]

  so you could shorten the turning radius [TS]

  and then at high speed would actually do [TS]

  the reverse [TS]

  yep at the prelude had that too i think [TS]

  everyone could be i'm not sure to be a [TS]

  horrible steering was was a thing was [TS]

  definitely a thing [TS]

  this is the same time the vtec was a [TS]

  thing and if you're really young then [TS]

  I've just dated all through here for its [TS]

  it has now they have now there's like 14 [TS]

  more letters aren't like ivy tech 17t to [TS]

  rely on that is foremost so I think [TS]

  that's still around in higher end cars [TS]

  right four-wheel steering honestly don't [TS]

  know i think it was an option on the [TS]

  $DAY $YEAR 5 series but not i think not [TS]

  with X drivers there are some kind of [TS]

  weird condition I i think it was not [TS]

  compatible with all the drive which is [TS]

  bizarrely counterintuitive but hey [TS]

  speaking of what do i get to lecture you [TS]

  about you not needing all-wheel-drive [TS]

  just worried I was going to say when we [TS]

  talk about the next car [TS]

  yeah that's good i just going to say [TS]

  that I don't want to spoil it [TS]

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  positive pictures and I put a 348 and [TS]

  the original mitsubishi 3000gt styling [TS]

  actually I think that's a dodge stealth [TS]

  but same difference [TS]

  see that see the little fins oh yeah and [TS]

  little friends and then Casey put in the [TS]

  one when they changed it to be the [TS]

  bigger scoops and if you go find like a [TS]

  360 with the bigger scoops or that [TS]

  actually that the 430 had double scoops [TS]

  like that they were just they were [TS]

  tracking that styling cues on the side [TS]

  of their cars because and if they [TS]

  totally tried to make them look the same [TS]

  body shape wise 3000 GT was actually [TS]

  pretty good performance car for its time [TS]

  do I always really wanted an mr2 like [TS]

  before the spider generation like those [TS]

  for the corner nineties generation [TS]

  because it looks like a miniature for [TS]

  our you're like a miniature person so [TS]

  it's a good fit [TS]

  look really cool I've never in my life [TS]

  even been in one though like I've never [TS]

  there i've never gotten to the point [TS]

  where I could almost buy one and two [TS]

  attacks we take a test drive of one you [TS]

  know by the time I mean a 94 when they [TS]

  stopped making them i think in the u.s. [TS]

  that was the year I was in sixth grade [TS]

  so I couldn't really test drive one knew [TS]

  and they were just they just sold so [TS]

  badly in the u.s. that i was never able [TS]

  to really find one widely available to [TS]

  test drive anywhere [TS]

  no one knew ever had one thing even the [TS]

  mr2 spyder when that came out first of [TS]

  all I think the mr2 spyder was was kind [TS]

  of a weird thing to make and kind of [TS]

  weird thing to call mr too because it [TS]

  was so unlike the previous one in some [TS]

  you know the previous one was a t-top [TS]

  amazingly I that's the only reason I [TS]

  know what t-tops ours because the mr2 [TS]

  was one any others like you notice this [TS]

  two-door coupe the mr2 spyder was [TS]

  convertible only all soft top and the [TS]

  way you know this short small car and [TS]

  look I guess it was it was it was [TS]

  confusingly similar looking for the [TS]

  porsche boxster to it through the casual [TS]

  I and I think that kind of heard it [TS]

  because everyone thought it was like a [TS]

  ripoff Porsche and then but it but at [TS]

  the same time I think it was not nearly [TS]

  as good or as popular as the mazda miata [TS]

  so it just didn't do well in the market [TS]

  the emerging spider but i did that was [TS]

  my that was the first time where ever [TS]

  thought I was really getting away with [TS]

  something by convincing a dealer to let [TS]

  me test drive a sports car was the mr2 [TS]

  spyder want you know I was bringing in [TS]

  my mom's 94 camera to get an oil change [TS]

  one time and you know i have 20 minutes [TS]

  to kill [TS]

  well hey let me go to go over to sales [TS]

  always an easy trick you know i'm here [TS]

  for servers own maybe consider an [TS]

  upgrade and like yeah obviously this [TS]

  college kid driving a 94 toyota camry [TS]

  that has a it has like a hippie dream [TS]

  catcher hanging from the window [TS]

  obviously not his car well maybe I don't [TS]

  but probably not this kids car it's [TS]

  probably not in the market to buy a [TS]

  brand-new 20 whatever thousand-dollar [TS]

  sports car but ok to Tuesday were slow [TS]

  let's give them the chance to drive it [TS]

  they had me the keys didn't even come [TS]

  with me wait seriously yeah they stick [TS]

  the sales guy hands me the keys to the [TS]

  mr2 spyder parks it out front says all [TS]

  right kid [TS]

  here we go you know come back sometime [TS]

  like it was so I'm like holy crap and it [TS]

  was a stick and I i had known how to [TS]

  drive stick for like three months before [TS]

  this I wasn't very topic for another [TS]

  show [TS]

  yes I wasn't very good at it yet I I [TS]

  wasn't very confident in myself driving [TS]

  stick yet [TS]

  and here they are handing me the keys to [TS]

  this brand who are to spider it was the [TS]

  most fun and yet in horribly [TS]

  intimidating a nerve-racking test driver [TS]

  I've ever taken I didn't take you very [TS]

  far I was scared to be away for too long [TS]

  so i took it like just down the block [TS]

  and back [TS]

  I was so freaked out and then we come [TS]

  back the hardest thing I've ever done [TS]

  driving a car the highest stress thing [TS]

  ever i had to back into a parking spot [TS]

  well while whoa and it was the parking [TS]

  spot right in front of the giant glass [TS]

  window of the dealership so he began [TS]

  backing it was this car I i barely am [TS]

  confident enough to even go or stop with [TS]

  it because it's the stick that's [TS]

  unfamiliar to me and I'm an amateur [TS]

  stick driver ahead and i had to back it [TS]

  up in this little parking spot in front [TS]

  of the glass window oh my gosh that was [TS]

  stressed [TS]

  fortunately nothing bad happen i go and [TS]

  all freaked out thinking I really got [TS]

  away with something I meanwhile you know [TS]

  they don't give a crap i didn't know [TS]

  that I thought I really convinced them [TS]

  oh yeah i'm a serious buyer they [TS]

  couldn't give two crabs and they didn't [TS]

  care at all just an mr2 right just like [TS]

  because it looks like a Ferrari [TS]

  yeah and and the fact is once i was [TS]

  driving i didn't like it because first [TS]

  of all i don't know i don't like sitting [TS]

  that low maybe it's some short and I [TS]

  feel like I have to get a better view . [TS]

  all the time anyway but I don't like [TS]

  sitting down that look like in in those [TS]

  really small sporty cars but they had [TS]

  that weird thing where the I think they [TS]

  did more to wear for like two years [TS]

  Twitter had the stupid design thing [TS]

  where they would put the gauges in the [TS]

  middle so you have to look to the right [TS]

  to see them remember that toyota echo [TS]

  did that do it for you don't have to [TS]

  change focal distance as much from the [TS]

  road that's the theory that was the [TS]

  theory I don't know how [TS]

  it was so weird the distracting tattoo [TS]

  looks practice they do it so they don't [TS]

  have to have a different dashboard for [TS]

  left and right hand drive haha that [TS]

  makes a lot more only if they're only if [TS]

  they're straight up they taught them [TS]

  towards the driver knows they were [TS]

  tilted and and they were they were [TS]

  tilted and they were in these long tubes [TS]

  like they were really far away [TS]

  maybe it was the focal distance thing is [TS]

  they were they were they were so inset [TS]

  very deeply into the dash and they had [TS]

  they should these big tubes coming out [TS]

  of it was weird but now and so I didn't [TS]

  you know what the mr2 is really the all [TS]

  the mr2 is pretty obscure cars now the [TS]

  next block over from me [TS]

  there's two mr to spiders on that block [TS]

  it i don't know like I've never seen one [TS]

  anywhere else there's two one block away [TS]

  from my house [TS]

  well that was the thing where it's like [TS]

  the shape the overall shape of the mr2 [TS]

  it looks different than the cars because [TS]

  it's mid engine which is also what you [TS]

  can't see out the back right all right [TS]

  so it was a way to say can we get that [TS]

  because people sense that shape that's [TS]

  why they sense it supercars are [TS]

  different you know they have no idea [TS]

  what it was not blood red or anything [TS]

  like who is that card is different its [TS]

  low and wide and shaped differently [TS]

  right so listen if we can do that but [TS]

  still make the car costs like as much is [TS]

  like a fancy accord or are you know [TS]

  something then then we can get that [TS]

  market and kind of work but it also kind [TS]

  of like overheated and a bad performance [TS]

  sound lousy well and I think the problem [TS]

  like with toyota i think they've always [TS]

  had this problem [TS]

  well these least in the last 10 years or [TS]

  so is that nobody really looks to toyota [TS]

  for sportiness united or lexus for that [TS]

  matter well you have this super was a [TS]

  respectable sporty car until they just [TS]

  made it into a giant wellness center on [TS]

  its way but this super was a valid name [TS]

  in the you know recently by sports car [TS]

  world they just the drivers when was [TS]

  that like when was the last time that [TS]

  was mid nineties and in fact i was gonna [TS]

  bring her to mark's 1i just someone [TS]

  today on the road almost drove off the [TS]

  road [TS]

  toggling it the big whale one you saw [TS]

  super yeah yeah I remember those there [TS]

  right [TS]

  certainly did it some more real-time [TS]

  fall upon my thing here with the the [TS]

  Ferrari Ferrari at the Ferrari 355 had [TS]

  the double side strikes and that is the [TS]

  one that the the GT copies so it was the [TS]

  original 3,000 species UN treaty was [TS]

  copying 348 then when for our way to 355 [TS]

  and change from side street [TS]

  it's too big openings so did mitsubishi [TS]

  so I have all four pictures on my screen [TS]

  now confirming that I'm not crazy [TS]

  so what actually I have to ask you [TS]

  you've made a number of references 22 [TS]

  big fat bloated cars or to some car that [TS]

  used to be good becoming big fat and [TS]

  bloated so first of all I think it's [TS]

  obvious that your you know your ear and [TS]

  I fat people haha but i think it is [TS]

  worth asking because you mentioned also [TS]

  that you were probably going to be [TS]

  replacing your ancient honda civic with [TS]

  a newer honda accord now the honda [TS]

  accord the modern honda accord the last [TS]

  two generations by all measures have [TS]

  been tremendous bloated cars in fact the [TS]

  the accord is classified as a full-size [TS]

  sedan now like open fire with the avalon [TS]

  that's not usually what i mean when i [TS]

  say bloated i'm not talking about the [TS]

  EPA classification of the car [TS]

  well Sam a meet the new Accords a [TS]

  massive car well so here that what I [TS]

  mean when I mean when I say blow two [TS]

  things one sometimes in terms of styling [TS]

  but the cars look like someone put an [TS]

  air tube into the gloom up so that the [TS]

  super was not a big car like the last [TS]

  Super that was around to our super was [TS]

  not like a big car probably wasn't even [TS]

  that heavy it was probably very small [TS]

  inside and out in terms of wheelbase and [TS]

  everything about it but the body style [TS]

  look like someone had put a tube in [TS]

  there my puff puff puff until just [TS]

  ballooned up like it just just look bub [TS]

  euless as opposed to add the the exact [TS]

  opposite of loaded would be the amount [TS]

  last mazda rx-7 which look like someone [TS]

  took a a deflated balloon and stretched [TS]

  over a piece of muscle that's what that [TS]

  car look like that's not everyone right [TS]

  yeah not be rx8 which is kind of ugly [TS]

  that the last rx7 goggle for a picture [TS]

  of it that is the opposite of blow just [TS]

  looks like tight and everything so [TS]

  that's styling wise and non style was [TS]

  just in general trend if you look at how [TS]

  much cars away the weight of cars just [TS]

  going up up that's why the the FRS and [TS]

  the BRZ are sort of reversing that trend [TS]

  to say we're going to sacrifice and any [TS]

  material only other things to build a [TS]

  lightweight car right we had its it's [TS]

  kind of like its it actually to make [TS]

  another fat analogy it is kinda like [TS]

  like sighs inflation and clothing you [TS]

  know like where like these the car [TS]

  classifications have grown and grown and [TS]

  grown because [TS]

  I mean part of its been for safety [TS]

  equipment you know what to do [TS]

  regulations they have to add so many [TS]

  airbags and roll bars and but it's not [TS]

  just that this is always always [TS]

  high-tension steel stiffeners they have [TS]

  to put in the doors for the side impact [TS]

  married microcars way a tremendous [TS]

  amount more than they used to for the [TS]

  same full-size car you'd be amazed if [TS]

  you go back and look at like how much of [TS]

  that giant whale of a car in the fifties [TS]

  way they weighed nothing because they [TS]

  were empty shells and if you hit them [TS]

  into another one that crumbled into like [TS]

  a like a soda can and you died right and [TS]

  now they have all these reinforcing [TS]

  materials and so much you know and now [TS]

  basically just comes out to cost like [TS]

  you can make any car you can shave a [TS]

  thousand pounds off any carbon so I'm [TS]

  gonna build entire frame out of aluminum [TS]

  and all the skaters carbon fiber now [TS]

  cost 200 grand right okay you can easily [TS]

  do that or you make the whole thing that [TS]

  carbon fibre tub and you know now it [TS]

  costs a half-a-million dollars right so [TS]

  we have the technology to make it light [TS]

  is just in terms of expense but yet the [TS]

  weight of anybody with a particular [TS]

  carline look at the weight of the honda [TS]

  civic starting from 1984 it's just a big [TS]

  slope up it just goes up up the car then [TS]

  you have the cards also get bigger [TS]

  because because Americans are fat and [TS]

  also tall taller than the Japanese [TS]

  people but its safety stuff everything [TS]

  the cars behavior and every everything [TS]

  the trend is like look it has to stop at [TS]

  some point all are going to cars are [TS]

  going to weigh 10,000 pounds we have to [TS]

  we have to find some way to combat you [TS]

  know the increasing weight of cars so [TS]

  that's another aspect of blood but the [TS]

  main aspect i'm going to talk about [TS]

  hundreds when we do a show about how [TS]

  this has to do with just the philosophy [TS]

  of what's important about the car and I [TS]

  would agree with you the last generation [TS]

  honda was bloated in many of the regards [TS]

  i just talked about but the current [TS]

  generation honda oh I haven't test [TS]

  driven one yet for everything I've read [TS]

  and having seen plenty of them in person [TS]

  seems to be reversing that trend a [TS]

  little bit to sort of go on a diet and [TS]

  slim down both styling wise and you know [TS]

  responses was in a real everything else [TS]

  see hondahonda is special to me because [TS]

  so so to give my brief car history you [TS]

  know growing up always had toyota camrys [TS]

  and then look one corolla than 12 [TS]

  cameras and and then college I i briefly [TS]

  borrowed my sister's corolla and then I [TS]

  had my own nissan maxima which was [TS]

  awesome i love the nissan maxima was it [TS]

  was my second favorite card ever owned [TS]

  all around and then maximo started [TS]

  having tremendous problems i went into a [TS]

  guy i got my very first new car in fact [TS]

  the first new car [TS]

  anybody my family ever they were all [TS]

  used for that very first new car I i [TS]

  bought a $YEAR honda accord and on paper [TS]

  the honda accord is basically the [TS]

  perfect car most of the time i get if [TS]

  you if you go and try to buy a [TS]

  general-purpose sedan that's going to be [TS]

  reliable and a good value a honda accord [TS]

  is is almost always the right choice or [TS]

  at least one of the right choices [TS]

  it's you know it's so it's great on [TS]

  paper and I had the car for I think for [TS]

  years and and what year was it wasn't [TS]

  for and so I had a few years then moved [TS]

  to Brooklyn and I tried keeping it there [TS]

  keeping a car in Brooklyn is there is [TS]

  usually a terrible idea it's [TS]

  extraordinarily expensive insurance goes [TS]

  through the roof parking is a tremendous [TS]

  pain or a tremendous cost and a medium [TS]

  pain it's ridiculous so eventually after [TS]

  spending way too much on insurance and [TS]

  parking i sold the car for way too [TS]

  little money and then for awhile live in [TS]

  Brooklyn then I moved out of Brooklyn [TS]

  about my 328 and have loved everything [TS]

  since then the honda accord is by far [TS]

  the most forgettable car I've ever had [TS]

  the camera is way more forgettable that [TS]

  according to contest you on that the [TS]

  camera is the the standard-bearer for [TS]

  completely free edible pile of mush car [TS]

  the cord is let much less forgettable [TS]

  it's not as memorable as a BMW sure but [TS]

  it's much more memorable than a camry I [TS]

  mean did you drive you said you had your [TS]

  family had a series of cameras and crows [TS]

  yes did you drive them the last one yeah [TS]

  because I was too young for the fingers [TS]

  and you didn't notice the difference [TS]

  between that camera in the accord you [TS]

  got in terms of like how this car feels [TS]

  and how responsive and lively is to [TS]

  drive granted it's not a performance car [TS]

  not doing anything for you to drink [TS]

  drive train rides I i see a big [TS]

  difference between because I I'm always [TS]

  at the bottom of the bowels of these [TS]

  cheap cars i see a big difference [TS]

  between equally priced cameras integral [TS]

  yeah I would have put them as roughly [TS]

  equals like no not even not even [TS]

  Lohse yeah i gotta-i gotta side with [TS]

  John this one I mean every time i've [TS]

  i've never driven a camry but I've [TS]

  driven a fair share of the cords and [TS]

  I've been in both in in the the camera [TS]

  is just a moment is a marshmallow the [TS]

  car and the accord at least has feels [TS]

  like the wheels connected to the tires [TS]

  when you turn the wheel and a suspension [TS]

  and the suspension is not a hundred [TS]

  percent tuned for but comfort [TS]

  yeah it actually has a little bit of you [TS]

  know stiffness in the springs and [TS]

  there's not a wallow and just sway from [TS]

  side-to-side like a giant whale [TS]

  yea big difference i made into a [TS]

  powertrain wise neither one of them has [TS]

  donated is a four-cylinder engine maybe [TS]

  even powertrain I was that we give the [TS]

  edge to honda because they came up with [TS]

  VTEC first and so therefore cylinders [TS]

  got a little spunky know and you know [TS]

  the total four cylinders for just kind [TS]

  of quiet and refined with all their nice [TS]

  balance shafts and sound isolation but [TS]

  they didn't have a little bit of spunk [TS]

  I've never driven the basic scored so i [TS]

  can't speak to how that is now to that [TS]

  end the last time i looked at the cords [TS]

  I they wouldn't they didn't offer the v6 [TS]

  accord with a stick [TS]

  I think in any capacity is still true [TS]

  they usually stay with you about that I [TS]

  don't know I'm never shopping for the v6 [TS]

  by students filter that's terrible i [TS]

  mean if I'm except for the coop they [TS]

  usually do it on the coop like if the [TS]

  coop is they're expensive one and ended [TS]

  the distinctive styling for the coop the [TS]

  past couple generations so you know I [TS]

  think you could get the coop with the v6 [TS]

  and a stick [TS]

  that's the other thing about honda's [TS]

  they have much nicer sticks and total [TS]

  sticks are just like super sticks just a [TS]

  little rubbery blob coming up from that [TS]

  the bottle of the car [TS]

  oh I agree with that might Subarus [TS]

  clutch is the worst clutch have ever [TS]

  used in fact i had it replaced [TS]

  while the drivetrain was getting worked [TS]

  on because basically my he was my Center [TS]

  my transmission and differential which [TS]

  is one unit kind of exploded and so I [TS]

  happen to the clutch what it's a story [TS]

  but anyway I've had pretty much the [TS]

  whole drivetrain on the super replaced [TS]

  but uh so that I had them do the clutch [TS]

  while they were in there because the [TS]

  whole car was in pieces anyway and even [TS]

  after they gave me a brand-new clutch [TS]

  remember remember i bought the car new [TS]

  but the collection has always been [TS]

  terrible you know it's a four wheel [TS]

  drive car and I cannot launch it with a [TS]

  quickness off the line to save my life [TS]

  I'm either [TS]

  darn near stalling or I'm dropping the [TS]

  Transnet what about the shifter doesn't [TS]

  i was a drove of super stick once in my [TS]

  life so he was a long time ago is my [TS]

  friend since shifter felt like it was [TS]

  just this is not like those rubber felt [TS]

  like a rubber stick like it couldn't you [TS]

  just strawberry wrong you couldn't tell [TS]

  there was no you know positive [TS]

  connections where this thing was [TS]

  happening in this terrible it was as [TS]

  though you took the the handle of a [TS]

  wooden spoon and are pushing it through [TS]

  mashed potatoes [TS]

  yeah and I'll say the best steak I've [TS]

  ever driven is the my dad's BMW 3 so [TS]

  thank not to the BMW in the State [TS]

  Department well I mean and sticker you [TS]

  know stick as a whole category might as [TS]

  well start now [TS]

  you know I [TS]

  you know I [TS]

  I feel like you know in the u.s. there [TS]

  was there are some stat that i recently [TS]

  saw that only seven percent of car sold [TS]

  in the US are sold as sticks and I [TS]

  actually thought that was high on it was [TS]

  hard the pipe higher than expected it's [TS]

  probably count as a kind of like trucks [TS]

  or something or commercial vehicle [TS]

  security inside of me the question I [TS]

  don't know yet that it very well might [TS]

  be well to the to that end when i was [TS]

  looking to get the 335 so what I ended [TS]

  up with was a 2011 335i sedan and with [TS]

  the m-sport package like i mentioned and [TS]

  to find a 335 is not hard to find a 335 [TS]

  with the m-sport packages slightly hard [TS]

  to find a 335 with the m-sport package [TS]

  and a six-speed manual transmission [TS]

  it took me months to find one it was in [TS]

  that's why when I found the white 1i [TS]

  just pounced and I know you're not [TS]

  you're all rolling your eyes I'm saying [TS]

  this but truly I mean it is impossible [TS]

  to find them because generally speaking [TS]

  who buys the 335 probably an old person [TS]

  who probably has no business driving a [TS]

  manual chair I no no internet is an old [TS]

  person cause fear that was what I [TS]

  thought marketing which is why that's [TS]

  right is kind of a girl car color [TS]

  Thank You hot i quit i'm quitting not [TS]

  saying that like you that you can't get [TS]

  that car but like that if you did [TS]

  rajendra ratio breakdowns of like you [TS]

  know what you know [TS]

  pink would be a good example like that [TS]

  we sold 10,000 pink cars [TS]

  how many of those buyers were men and [TS]

  how many bars women you'd expect there [TS]

  to be more than 5,000 people women who [TS]

  bought the pink are right so just [TS]

  certain colors that appealed certainly [TS]

  not like you buy that color it means [TS]

  your feminine is just those colors . [TS]

  appeal defend people and I have a [TS]

  feeling that the breakdown a white cars [TS]

  would be that more female buyers are [TS]

  buying white cars than male is it [TS]

  because they think white the men think [TS]

  white looks less manly like it's not [TS]

  it's mostly dry weather manhood [TS]

  adequately I don't know what about like [TS]

  there are certain cars that appeal to [TS]

  different the agenda breakdowns for [TS]

  color or colors i bet are pretty stark [TS]

  for when you get to the extremity colors [TS]

  out of like you know gray and brown well [TS]

  here's here's the problem with your [TS]

  white theory is that that there are [TS]

  there are a few different or so within [TS]

  like you know people ages 16 through [TS]

  40 maybe i would expect it to be more [TS]

  women maybe but see there's two things [TS]

  one is that old people love white cars [TS]

  that's true that mr. so and and i don't [TS]

  i don't think that would follow a gender [TS]

  bias up there in fact it might even be [TS]

  more mail in the older people so that [TS]

  that's one thing and then the other [TS]

  thing is sports car buyers aren't like [TS]

  oftentimes sports car people love white [TS]

  cars and they were probably predominant [TS]

  or they are parties like white car when [TS]

  what sports card you usually see in [TS]

  white like you say when I see that car [TS]

  chances are better than when i say any [TS]

  other car that it's going to be white [TS]

  because it's a sports car what's making [TS]

  you say that sports cars usually home [TS]

  and white [TS]

  that's a good question well maybe I [TS]

  don't know what you're talking I see [TS]

  like on online online forums and stuff [TS]

  for for car enthusiasts ice by very very [TS]

  often see white and maybe it's because I [TS]

  i dislike white car so much that I [TS]

  noticed about at UAB government [TS]

  confirmation by NASCAR color racist i [TS]

  don't know i I really don't know I I [TS]

  don't I I I just seem to see why a lot [TS]

  in all this discussion of all the [TS]

  discussion of a car color reminds me of [TS]

  my favorite car story when you know I [TS]

  bring car magazines forever you know and [TS]

  I'm the most into cars of the people my [TS]

  family and this most of them when I was [TS]

  like I don't know [TS]

  17 or 18 and my sister had gone off to [TS]

  college and maybe she graduated college [TS]

  she was going to buy her first brand-new [TS]

  car and we were talking on the phone I [TS]

  think or something and and I you know I [TS]

  sense that she was you know if she's [TS]

  talking about Carson like all this is an [TS]

  opportunity for me to talk to my sister [TS]

  about the topic that I'm interested i'm [TS]

  into cars like an advisor like it's when [TS]

  someone like when relatives going to buy [TS]

  a computer and you are talking about the [TS]

  options are you know iPads or iPhones [TS]

  like have you thought about what kind of [TS]

  a car you're gonna get you know the [TS]

  different options or whatever you use [TS]

  anything you're thinking when she goes [TS]

  I'm thinking about a lot i'm not sure [TS]

  and she's like you know hems and Haws [TS]

  for a little bit and just pause her [TS]

  really long time and then finally comes [TS]

  out with I think it's probably going to [TS]

  be a blue one that was their maid like [TS]

  the selection criteria was not two doors [TS]

  for doors and like that the entire the [TS]

  agonizing part of i'm gonna have to buy [TS]

  a new car [TS]

  what kind of car should be the answer [TS]

  was probably a blue and I thought about [TS]

  it a lot you know I think blue but that [TS]

  matters color matters a lot [TS]

  it matters that was the only thing that [TS]

  matters like that was the first probably [TS]

  a blue one that's that's not really what [TS]

  I meant about me advising me what kind [TS]

  of car you should get no I color does [TS]

  matter a lot though I mean I like I i [TS]

  like my cars to be the darker colors I i [TS]

  currently have a black car and actually [TS]

  have two black cars is another story but [TS]

  you know I I love black and you know my [TS]

  maxima was dark green but that's that's [TS]

  not the whole story by the way when I oh [TS]

  my god you think casey had a hard time [TS]

  finding a a used 335 with m sport that [TS]

  was a stick was so my that the maximum [TS]

  that i have read after write after write [TS]

  during college was the first car that i [TS]

  was allowed to choose so of course in [TS]

  typical market fashion and tons of [TS]

  research and blah blah blah what I [TS]

  wanted and and so my mom had said it was [TS]

  gonna be like an early graduation gift [TS]

  and when I was still a sophomore because [TS]

  i really needed a car for various [TS]

  logistical reasons and so okay we're [TS]

  gonna buy me a car she had a budget of [TS]

  $10,000 find something use that's going [TS]

  to be reliable and and decent ok I had a [TS]

  whole summer to look and my spring and [TS]

  summer actually [TS]

  and I looked for months because what I [TS]

  wanted was a four-door sedan that was at [TS]

  least a v6 and a stick and even in 2002 [TS]

  looking at cars mostly from the late [TS]

  nineties that was really hard to find [TS]

  see what you're already lying because [TS]

  what you really wanted in the world was [TS]

  a four-door sedan with the v6 and stick [TS]

  that had the the little sticker in the [TS]

  rear window that said for DSC did your [TS]

  maximum have that you know what i'm [TS]

  talking about ford esc I don't think I [TS]

  know what that is [TS]

  oh god I remember what not to be fair i [TS]

  love the maximum i truly do I actually [TS]

  totally agree with your choice but on [TS]

  one of the generations of maximas on the [TS]

  believers on the rear window they had [TS]

  for DSC written there and under it very [TS]

  small letters for door sports car [TS]

  oh my god i can't you notice the [TS]

  advertising campaign needs some animals [TS]

  the four-door sports car that's [TS]

  fantastic which I can't believe they got [TS]

  away with [TS]

  that like I remember seeing that [TS]

  campaign and never occurred to me was [TS]

  like wait a second did BMW 2002 never [TS]

  happened like whatever purpose that is [TS]

  this [TS]

  we just a racing history and it's the [TS]

  four door sport maximum was you know [TS]

  bring a guy was like bring the sports [TS]

  sedan to the masses in the same way that [TS]

  the Datsun 240z let you have a sports [TS]

  car and on the budget life and it was I [TS]

  mean it was event you know I had to [TS]

  eventually find this car I mean and [TS]

  because the time is very similar now it [TS]

  was very hard to find four door sedans [TS]

  that were sticks except the super low as [TS]

  10 models which were never be sixes [TS]

  so it was it was extremely hard to find [TS]

  I eventually found his car had like all [TS]

  that how it was the it was a maxima SE [TS]

  the sports edition so it had like [TS]

  selling the white dial it was really [TS]

  cool head like all the leather and the [TS]

  boat it had every option that was [TS]

  available on an SE so they were there [TS]

  were a couple of minor things that you'd [TS]

  only get on the super high-end trim that [TS]

  was only available automatic so I didn't [TS]

  get that but like it had been a sunroof [TS]

  the leather bose stereo everything [TS]

  it wasn't my dear heart 96 maxima SE and [TS]

  I just I loved that car [TS]

  it was so great and and I really didn't [TS]

  like car that much until I got my BMW [TS]

  until the 328i it was such a nice car [TS]

  however mine was a massive maintenance [TS]

  headache it like it which is unusual for [TS]

  these because i still see them at every [TS]

  because because I owned 1i have that you [TS]

  know I it catches my eye when I see one [TS]

  IC 1994-97 that range of nissan maxima I [TS]

  see those all the time they sold a lot [TS]

  of them but that was the maximum is [TS]

  awkward years that was not a good [TS]

  styling generation of the maximum you [TS]

  had that weird like oval hump but and [TS]

  everything it was that the taillights [TS]

  were just not good [TS]

  the front was ok but like it was the [TS]

  generation before that was distinctive [TS]

  and the current generation maximum I [TS]

  really actually like that styling it's [TS]

  at least its distinguishing I see a new [TS]

  maxima I say oh that's a maximum does [TS]

  not look like that Street another you [TS]

  know but see I think they they messed up [TS]

  the maximum pretty badly in the in the [TS]

  early 2000s they so there was there was [TS]

  a generation i had like 94-97 I think [TS]

  and then there was like 98 2000-2003 [TS]

  something like that and that was pretty [TS]

  good too and after that they tried [TS]

  pushing it up market to make it more [TS]

  profitable and so they they added tons [TS]

  of stuff the price went through the roof [TS]

  and it became this big heavy blobby [TS]

  weird car that was kind of like they [TS]

  were trying to compete with the avalon [TS]

  and they were trying to compete with the [TS]

  entry-level luxury cars that is a I [TS]

  don't think about you and well I had [TS]

  blocked this one out i just googled oh [TS]

  god I forgot about this one either one [TS]

  talking about not it was as nitro that [TS]

  was not good at all [TS]

  the worst part about it the worst part [TS]

  about it was here was that the maximum [TS]

  is kind of the star like that the the [TS]

  ultimate as much as I'm making fun of it [TS]

  was the ultimate cheap four-door sports [TS]

  car in the sense you could get a large [TS]

  engine and a stick shift and then here [TS]

  it is not too long later like 5-10 years [TS]

  later I think they actually put a [TS]

  continuously variable transmission in it [TS]

  like a full-on CSU want to miss and love [TS]

  CBT is there are everything everything [TS]

  and for me it's on his cbt sometimes [TS]

  it's not even an option you can even get [TS]

  rid of it right and so here is what like [TS]

  oh how the mighty have fallen here was [TS]

  it was such a great Buy in such a great [TS]

  pick for somebody who cares about [TS]

  driving now it's this bloated CVT [TS]

  sporting piece of jobs i mean like when [TS]

  i was when i was looking at my 328 when [TS]

  I when I left Brooklyn and when I ran [TS]

  screaming from Brooklyn huh [TS]

  if the maximum was still the kind of car [TS]

  was in the nineties i probably bought [TS]

  one of those instead [TS]

  well it is now like I just paste in the [TS]

  current generation maximum current [TS]

  generation access ID from reliability [TS]

  problems that are always hot nissan and [TS]

  the fact that it's not as good as the [TS]

  BMW while trying to be a BMW it's it's [TS]

  pretty you know if you want to get a [TS]

  distinctively sports car and its lower [TS]

  doors [TS]

  yes the second looking one is about the [TS]

  same card from different and one of them [TS]

  how they have everything my rims [TS]

  aftermarket rims on and I'm just google [TS]

  images it's like second one is really [TS]

  pretty and you . it's white [TS]

  yeah well they brought like that's the [TS]

  same car its that's not a different [TS]

  generation like they have that the two [TS]

  the two like the I don't know the [TS]

  teardrop is like the two little spiky [TS]

  things when you see one in person I look [TS]

  better than they do in these pics yeah [TS]

  and I don't care about your head like I [TS]

  feel like Nissan styling in recent years [TS]

  like they've gone [TS]

  I don't know if it does feel inflated to [TS]

  me [TS]

  well remember nissan is infinity to + [TS]

  infinity had had one of the most [TS]

  beautiful cars last like 15 years was [TS]

  the first generation of the [TS]

  can't remember the part number was there [TS]

  was the coop one case you know this was [TS]

  the g37 yeah but not the current it [TS]

  wanted to have like a clock but the g35 [TS]

  let me look that up [TS]

  wait holding i hope this isn't the one [TS]

  I'm thinking of because the one I'm [TS]

  thinking of hideous this should be good [TS]

  that's we all sit silently anything for [TS]

  us to google when you listen you can [TS]

  listen to me type i didn't units you [TS]

  have the hard clicking here was reading [TS]

  I think it was the yeah it's hard for me [TS]

  to like they made this this car looks so [TS]

  beautiful and the first came out within [TS]

  a resident and ruined everything was [TS]

  there was good about the car by suddenly [TS]

  changing all the proportions [TS]

  I'll try this on for size want to pay [TS]

  something I remember the let me see if I [TS]

  think it was this 10 yeah that was [TS]

  alright is this was just everything [TS]

  about it was in perfect balance that [TS]

  wasn't flashy you can see the front of [TS]

  the head like it was nicely shaped the [TS]

  details were all good and they took that [TS]

  that exact car and they just suddenly [TS]

  changed it like a few inches here raised [TS]

  up there and just made the whole thing [TS]

  ugly I was like oh no you had it that [TS]

  was it that was it was like it was like [TS]

  the 911 shape is like iconic and they [TS]

  just threw it away and said now we're [TS]

  just gonna keep blowing this up and make [TS]

  weird lumps on it [TS]

  speaking of have you seen I know this [TS]

  isn't supposed to be about news have you [TS]

  seen the the c7 Corvette I always [TS]

  cordial is well unfortunately it [TS]

  what happened like but I to as I tweeted [TS]

  that the Corvette designers like the [TS]

  must stipulate that the Corvette [TS]

  powertrain and chassis people know what [TS]

  they're doing they make cars to go [TS]

  around tracks fast right in there and [TS]

  even the interior guys are learning a [TS]

  little bit but they lose it so badly in [TS]

  the styling like the overall shape of [TS]

  that car is fine you know big long hood [TS]

  like the kind of thing in the rear but [TS]

  the details are what are they doing it's [TS]

  like someone just shoot up a bunch of [TS]

  plastic car cladding and spit on the car [TS]

  all those terrible from the only saw [TS]

  from the front I thought it'd look great [TS]

  now i'm looking back at all it's just a [TS]

  big mess it's like it's like it's like a [TS]

  Hot Wheel some kid who designs hotwheels [TS]

  went in there and said I want to make [TS]

  looking fast car [TS]

  haha yeah it looks looks terrible i mean [TS]

  like I you know that the hallmark of a [TS]

  Corvette is those those four round tail [TS]

  lights if you actually love just love [TS]

  messing with that like the mustang with [TS]

  three vertical writings then they've [TS]

  screwed with that and people get cranky [TS]

  just not messing with the baby and all [TS]

  right you can change almost everything [TS]

  else about the design just don't change [TS]

  like that the couple of hallmark [TS]

  features even portion did Porsches [TS]

  hallmark on my 11 was two circular [TS]

  headlights and they said you know it's [TS]

  the nineties we can smooth those out [TS]

  into these fried egg shaped blobs and [TS]

  people said no now they gotta be [TS]

  circumvented ok will change him back [TS]

  just like that that's exactly what it [TS]

  sounded like [TS]