4: If You See A Cursor, They Blew It


  actually I got my own off-topic story [TS]

  that I I'd like to share that I don't [TS]

  think we'll be part of the show [TS]

  sure I had a meeting today with some [TS]

  local apple reps they were going to go [TS]

  through and and bless or curse this ipad [TS]

  app I'm gonna be writing for our client [TS]

  and so there were three of them and I [TS]

  meet the first one hi I'm Casey listen I [TS]

  am case it's the third one says await [TS]

  your kc list your that Casey list [TS]

  yeah oh man listen to your show for like [TS]

  a few weeks now it's really good you [TS]

  know Marco and John I was like holy shit [TS]

  this is happening to me now this is the [TS]

  i'm so used to being around you two [TS]

  idiots where everyone out of the [TS]

  outcomes out of the woodwork WBC is like [TS]

  wait wait wait you're Marco or you await [TS]

  your John that John and so then it [TS]

  happened to me and it was really [TS]

  freaking weird i don't know how you guys [TS]

  do it because I was like kind of creeped [TS]

  out but also really appreciative [TS]

  engineer was it was weird it was weird [TS]

  and see now at WCC this year people [TS]

  going to be coming up to you and showing [TS]

  their support for the white car subaru [TS]

  cause fully hopefully seeing here every [TS]

  story from everybody who's ever had a [TS]

  Subaru telling you how great it was and [TS]

  how wrong john and i are for not caring [TS]

  for them that much such goals nobody [TS]

  likes them anyway [TS]

  exactly ok don't include this in the [TS]

  show we do have some follow-up right [TS]

  yeah we have a little teeny bit of [TS]

  follow-up but if you'd like to start the [TS]

  follow-up that's fine i got a really [TS]

  great one actually a while ago [TS]

  well you know relatively speaking from [TS]

  Alexander hoffman and you know we were [TS]

  talking in episode 2 about car costs and [TS]

  affording cars and and you know a nice [TS]

  sports car might be twice as much per [TS]

  month as a more average pedestrian car [TS]

  so he said I know that many people will [TS]

  say that if it costs twice as much it [TS]

  had better be twice as good [TS]

  that's a fallacy in fact that original [TS]

  amount for example 250 maybe a steel [TS]

  providing far more value than the cost [TS]

  the second half does not need to match [TS]

  that value proposition to be rational [TS]

  and or reasonable [TS]

  it doesn't need to be the same steel in [TS]

  order to still be worthy look at the [TS]

  example of jeans the first fifty dollars [TS]

  to most people definitely provides more [TS]

  value than the next fifty dollars but a [TS]

  better fit and being more stylish is [TS]

  imaginably worth fifty dollars even if [TS]

  not to you [TS]

  no need to claim that hundred-dollar [TS]

  genes are twice as good [TS]

  they just need to see that the next [TS]

  fifty dollars actually buy something [TS]

  worth at least fifty dollars to you [TS]

  same for the next 250 for the car so i [TS]

  think it's interesting I mean he was [TS]

  right like you know a five hundred [TS]

  dollar-a-month car doesn't have to be [TS]

  twice as good as a tunafish [TS]

  dollar-a-month car it has to provide two [TS]

  hundred fifty dollars a month worth of [TS]

  value to you [TS]

  yeah with put two interesting dollars [TS]

  worth of value is twice the amount i [TS]

  mean just semantics really like if it [TS]

  costs if it costs a certain amount and [TS]

  then you add that same amount you you [TS]

  know yes it has to be worth the [TS]

  additional amount but that's also [TS]

  doubling because it happens to be you [TS]

  know twice the previous number it's a [TS]

  different way of looking at it I suppose [TS]

  because double sounds like maybe [TS]

  different light I think it's just some [TS]

  antics isn't that's kinda how I look at [TS]

  it and I mean to get to build on that if [TS]

  you consider that the 0 to 250 dollars a [TS]

  month got you all the way from your doc [TS]

  martens to something that will drive you [TS]

  down the road [TS]

  I mean what is the next 250 gonna do [TS]

  that even puts it on par with being that [TS]

  much better than your sneakers does that [TS]

  make sense well as it is it's an upgrade [TS]

  its it's you know what he's saying is [TS]

  like it doesn't you know to be worth it [TS]

  to somebody it doesn't have to be twice [TS]

  as good as the base price it just has to [TS]

  provide that interval worth of value to [TS]

  you so I so you know for me it's like I [TS]

  have to have a car anyway you know I [TS]

  just I need a car for my lifestyle and [TS]

  what I do well if so I need a car so the [TS]

  cost of the car is kind of like [TS]

  non-negotiable right i have to have a [TS]

  car and so I could have a basic car for [TS]

  me 300 bucks a month that would fit my [TS]

  family and not be horrible and [TS]

  everything so after then say alright is [TS]

  it worth an extra 250 a month to rather [TS]

  than having that car to have this [TS]

  awesome car [TS]

  so is it worth 250 a month . like what [TS]

  I'm paying for the base car is less [TS]

  relevant because i have to have that [TS]

  anyway I'm not saying you know this has [TS]

  to be twice as good as like to meet like [TS]

  that that's kind of already a sunk cost [TS]

  like I have to have a car . is it worth [TS]

  250 more month for me to have this nice [TS]

  car but you can extrapolate that even [TS]

  further and say well whatever you think [TS]

  is the bare minimum doesn't have to be [TS]

  turning fifty dollars a month you know [TS]

  the bare minimum to use a silly example [TS]

  the bare minimum 335 new is God knows [TS]

  you know several hundred dollars a month [TS]

  but with 700 is something like that but [TS]

  a bare minimum civic or you go if they [TS]

  were still new I mean you could you [TS]

  could you could buy you go for the [TS]

  twenty-dollar bill for god sakes so then [TS]

  but yeah how much would you have to put [TS]

  into it to keep it running but that's a [TS]

  fair point [TS]

  i mean i-i guess I I see both sides of [TS]

  this argument I tend to agree more with [TS]

  John that this is kind of a semantic [TS]

  thing but you're right that if you [TS]

  consider the first XP that 250 or [TS]

  whatever to be a given then at that [TS]

  point it's just a matter of what do you [TS]

  think it does the remainder actually [TS]

  provide that much value to you and [TS]

  obviously what provides value to me may [TS]

  not provide value to you for example a [TS]

  brand-new Jeep Wrangler maybe a lot more [TS]

  expensive than the baseline civic or [TS]

  whatever and if i go off-road a lot [TS]

  that's important but that's not who I am [TS]

  and I don't give a crap about that stuff [TS]

  so instead i bought a 335 which goes [TS]

  quickly and handles well in his cushy [TS]

  and things of that nature says white and [TS]

  is white which is a perfect segue to [TS]

  some of my follow-up Marco thank you i [TS]

  don't have any one particular name [TS]

  because I got several pieces of feedback [TS]

  about this and actually after episode 2 [TS]

  came out which is a little weird but [TS]

  several people said to me or us really [TS]

  hey one of the reasons that people buy [TS]

  white cars is because if you live in SE [TS]

  the southwest or in Florida or somewhere [TS]

  like there where the Sun beats down in [TS]

  bakes your car for hours on end having a [TS]

  white car is the difference between [TS]

  getting out of that car drenched in [TS]

  sweat or getting at with as it would be [TS]

  in a black car or getting out of that [TS]

  car [TS]

  moderately comfortable if you have a [TS]

  white car to be fair that is not at all [TS]

  why I bought any of my white cars but [TS]

  that is a somewhat valid argument [TS]

  is it really i mean like i know it makes [TS]

  some difference obviously that you know [TS]

  what whether the cars body panels are [TS]

  very hot or simply hot while it's like [TS]

  sitting around in the Sun but doesn't a [TS]

  lot of the heat in the interior of car [TS]

  come from the light being living through [TS]

  the windows and understand the roof the [TS]

  roof is a factor too because you are [TS]

  like if the roof is absorbing vs [TS]

  reflecting but I said like the colors of [TS]

  the Interior are more about that so if [TS]

  you're black seats versus having white [TS]

  seats that will probably make more of a [TS]

  difference for your comfort because [TS]

  you're touching the seat versus just [TS]

  having a white roof and that's [TS]

  reflecting the you know more of the [TS]

  lights energy sunlight energy from the [TS]

  top you know instead of a black one but [TS]

  like I don't really care how hot the [TS]

  hood gets you know you wouldn't think [TS]

  that's going to affect the interior [TS]

  temperature as much for the trunk later [TS]

  whatever it's really maybe the door [TS]

  panels but people who were the case the [TS]

  right people who sent an email they were [TS]

  all from hot climates and they all said [TS]

  oh you gotta buy white now I don't know [TS]

  it actually tested this but presumably [TS]

  they lived there and they believe it [TS]

  whether it's a real thing or not it's [TS]

  kind of like those are coffee [TS]

  Julie things you should get someone down [TS]

  there to get two identical cars but [TS]

  preferably with the same color interior [TS]

  but one white one black that's gonna be [TS]

  hard itself is usually give you [TS]

  different interiors of those very [TS]

  different exterior colors and you know [TS]

  do some actual test with them in the [TS]

  sunlight see how goes it whoo-hoo we [TS]

  going to get to go to Florida sorry but [TS]

  a place in the sun belt [TS]

  nobody wants to go to Florida with [TS]

  someone that someone on this podcast has [TS]

  relatives who live in arizona I'm sure [TS]

  actually we're gonna bring cars there [TS]

  ok ground up by two cars right one white [TS]

  one black same color is really what what [TS]

  what is when i was last in Arizona I [TS]

  rented that this by the way I hate this [TS]

  so much whenever I have to travel [TS]

  somewhere and rent a car I always try to [TS]

  get something reasonably fun and so you [TS]

  go to like Enterprise our budget or hurt [TS]

  or whatever and they always have like [TS]

  the premium sedan category that's [TS]

  usually what i opted for because it [TS]

  always says nissan maxima $YEAR chevy [TS]

  impala or similar to describe this [TS]

  category and the first time I've rented [TS]

  a car of this category [TS]

  they gave me a mini and I was like it [TS]

  was for Christmas trip you're taking [TS]

  upstate from Brooklyn and I was like I [TS]

  don't this isn't really going to work [TS]

  well this is our premium sedan [TS]

  ok well the stuff i'm bringing won't fit [TS]

  in a mini this is nothing like a maxima [TS]

  or impala it's not not even close [TS]

  just because it costs a little more they [TS]

  call it a premium sedan so we can do a [TS]

  lot of money but I i had I convinced [TS]

  them to give me anything else they had [TS]

  and the only thing they had was a giant [TS]

  white SUV which I had to drive that for [TS]

  a week which is terrible but so when I [TS]

  went to Arizona the premium sedan there [TS]

  so hoping for a maximum no get out there [TS]

  it's a black avalon the Avalon is it [TS]

  surprisingly unfun but it was actually [TS]

  really nice car like I throughout the [TS]

  week I you were surprised by an avalon [TS]

  not being fun [TS]

  yeah i was going to jump on that you and [TS]

  I thought I'd just be quiet i have one [TS]

  is the Japanese all persons car they [TS]

  said what do old American people in [TS]

  America like to drive those big body [TS]

  cars with a bench front seat we can make [TS]

  one of those cameras said alright yeah I [TS]

  was more surprised because it was [TS]

  actually like I didn't mind driving it [TS]

  relatively low relative to the rest of [TS]

  arizona arizona is a weird place to [TS]

  begin with like one of the well so I [TS]

  don't mind driving it but it's actually [TS]

  pretty fast car just was not fun at all [TS]

  had no feeling but I guess I wish that [TS]

  rental agencies would rent you specific [TS]

  models like that's one of the reasons [TS]

  why i like Zipcar so much because you [TS]

  you pick the exact model of car that you [TS]

  want even you even pick the color i mean [TS]

  like you pick exactly the one vehicle [TS]

  that you are renting and so you know in [TS]

  advance what you're getting into [TS]

  you can you have some control over that [TS]

  you and you can see what's available in [TS]

  like different car garages and parking [TS]

  spots where with rentals they always [TS]

  have those those crappy categories and [TS]

  you never get what you want have you [TS]

  have you ever rented a car and gotten [TS]

  something that you were very happy with [TS]

  I haven't I'm happy when it doesn't [TS]

  smell that [TS]

  I have low standards and please Lord [TS]

  don't let it smells like someone's [TS]

  smoking this car when they weren't [TS]

  supposed to [TS]

  don't let someone have left day you know [TS]

  a cup of coffee or milk in the backseat [TS]

  didn't have to bake in the Sun just [TS]

  wanted to be clean I wanted to run it [TS]

  I can get behind that all right do we [TS]

  want a you want to pick a topic here is [TS]

  that sounds kind of dirty all right [TS]

  before you did that i had one piece of [TS]

  follow-up please going to organize here [TS]

  we talk about dual clutch for single [TS]

  question I in typical fashion i did not [TS]

  remember the details of which supercar [TS]

  maker was sticking with single [TS]

  collectors dual-clutch I'm just talking [TS]

  about how do you know the deal collected [TS]

  the single largest more harsh you know [TS]

  the dual-clutch but they don't care that [TS]

  it's harsh if you make a supercar so [TS]

  Robert Stewart wrote in to say that i [TS]

  was saying that was because the same [TS]

  questions faster and he said really [TS]

  dual-clutch transmissions shift faster [TS]

  provided you're going to the gear that [TS]

  the computer thinks you're getting into [TS]

  because they have that this the second [TS]

  gear all ready to go and queued up for [TS]

  you if you're shifting in a predictable [TS]

  pattern and I think this was his email [TS]

  looking forward in the text here while [TS]

  reading it but was it and also talking [TS]

  about how single clutch has the [TS]

  advantage of being predictable doesn't [TS]

  matter what gear shift into our when or [TS]

  what any computer thinks you're going to [TS]

  do the ship's always take the same [TS]

  amount of time versus a dual-clutch [TS]

  where if the transmission doesn't know [TS]

  didn't expect you to downshift to that [TS]

  moment is going to take longer than a [TS]

  single clutch because it wasn't ready [TS]

  with the gear pre-selected in the little [TS]

  second gear box nothing was that a [TS]

  single clutch single clutch has more [TS]

  surface area on the on the the clutch [TS]

  plates so can handle more torque so it's [TS]

  easier to get one to handle a lot of [TS]

  power though then he says the same email [TS]

  that Lamborghini apparently has high [TS]

  torque dual-clutch transmissions in its [TS]

  car so it might just be a matter of [TS]

  whether like Ferrari has developed that [TS]

  or not remember he asked my name is an [TS]

  electric dual-clutch not as clear-cut as [TS]

  it was made to be in the last episode [TS]

  and actually building on that you had [TS]

  talked about well who is it that has [TS]

  single clutch gear boxes to this day and [TS]

  by way of the first episode of top gear [TS]

  i was reminded that the pagani huayra [TS]

  has a single clutch automated manual and [TS]

  actually i glanced at Wikipedia right [TS]

  beforehand [TS]

  and right before we recorded and it says [TS]

  the choice not to use a dual-clutch in [TS]

  oil bath was because it would lead to an [TS]

  increase in weight of over 70 kilograms [TS]

  450 pounds negating the advantage of the [TS]

  ability of smooth of such transmissions [TS]

  to change gears faster as a result the [TS]

  entire transmission of the color of the [TS]

  pagani huayra weighs ninety six kilos or [TS]

  210 pounds you know they said that on [TS]

  the episode as well that we have some [TS]

  demand weight savings was the reason i [TS]

  did it i don't want to spoil that [TS]

  episode but it was a good home yeah [TS]

  don't think that car cities i think i [TS]

  think it became less hideous with this [TS]

  update i think we got worse [TS]

  you know I'd never looker i'm actually [TS]

  not that big of a fan of the mid-engined [TS]

  proportions like I like the way the way [TS]

  you have the that the space from the [TS]

  drivers back of their head to the back [TS]

  of the car you have that so much longer [TS]

  usually then from the driver's head to [TS]

  the front of the car i kinda don't like [TS]

  those reports you know searches you [TS]

  you've mentioned in past shows how that [TS]

  looks exotic and people like that i [TS]

  don't really i mean maybe just is now [TS]

  that's weird two weeks I hardly ever see [TS]

  it but I don't think it looks better [TS]

  from the outside from the inside from [TS]

  the outside now i like it i mean it [TS]

  depends on the car certainly don't like [TS]

  it on the Huayra but i like i like most [TS]

  other Mortal I like those proportions [TS]

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  I'd so this might be a multi-part [TS]

  episode which I'm sure is making both [TS]

  you rumbles are already i wanted to talk [TS]

  about a specific portion of tech in cars [TS]

  and specifically i wanted to talk about [TS]

  why i think the eye dr and equivalents [TS]

  are significantly better than a [TS]

  touchscreen so let me start by asking [TS]

  John does your dad's 328 have navigation [TS]

  an eye dr or not so much now it predates [TS]

  that I believe okay now have you played [TS]

  over what year is yours 2009-11 11 yeah [TS]

  i think is like eight or nine or [TS]

  something but now i have not played with [TS]

  an eye dr I've only have only read about [TS]

  it and seen pictures I've never actually [TS]

  used it [TS]

  I've seen videos of it being used but [TS]

  I've never actually tried to use it [TS]

  myself [TS]

  alright so for all I know this may end [TS]

  up being a 30 second topic but the [TS]

  reason I wanted the reason I wanted to [TS]

  bring it up was because when i bought [TS]

  the 335i had expected to hate the eye dr [TS]

  again like I've covered many times it [TS]

  just so happened to be the right card [TS]

  the right contrite the right time and so [TS]

  I got it with the eye dr thinking well [TS]

  you know can't hurt and a lot of the [TS]

  reviews i read which as it turns out [TS]

  were from a prior edition version of the [TS]

  eye dr a lot of the reviews I read said [TS]

  it was a piece of garbage and I went [TS]

  into it kind of expecting it to be a [TS]

  piece of garbage and what I've found is [TS]

  that I actually really really like it [TS]

  and I think part of the reason I like it [TS]

  is because i like having that tactical [TS]

  intangible mechanism to manipulate [TS]

  what's on the screen rather than having [TS]

  to reach my arm out and try to touch the [TS]

  dashboard and this becomes doubly [TS]

  important if you happen to be going down [TS]

  the road and you're bouncing because you [TS]

  know roads are not perfectly flat and so [TS]

  I meant to look up the physics term [TS]

  behind what this is but i guess like the [TS]

  moment are more what I from butchering [TS]

  this but whatever don't email me [TS]

  whatever it is that causes the distance [TS]

  that your finger travels to be [TS]

  considerably longer or four are larger [TS]

  than the distance your shoulder travels [TS]

  that makes using a touchscreen when [TS]

  you're in a car driving down the road [TS]

  really really hard and what I love about [TS]

  the eye dr is in case you're not [TS]

  familiar with it [TS]

  there's a circle that [TS]

  that that's I don't know about the size [TS]

  of a hockey puck Apple mice were and you [TS]

  can spin that circle in order to move up [TS]

  or down and then you can push that whole [TS]

  circle down in order to say okay and [TS]

  then additionally you can take that [TS]

  whole circle and shift it left right or [TS]

  up or down in order to do kind of [TS]

  higher-level operations and so what's [TS]

  really nice is you have this tactical [TS]

  intangible feedback and it's at it's [TS]

  right behind the gearshift so it's right [TS]

  where you want it to be and we could [TS]

  talk about the software here in a second [TS]

  but i just think that it struck me after [TS]

  using it for a month or two that this [TS]

  was so much a better approach than [TS]

  having to reach out and touch a touch [TS]

  screen no matter if it's iphone like [TS]

  with swipes and pinches and zooms no [TS]

  matter if it's a 75 inch touchscreen [TS]

  like some of the new American cars have [TS]

  or if it's a little tiny touch screen it [TS]

  just seemed better to me and then I [TS]

  don't know Marco if you have experience [TS]

  like I don't remember if tips car has [TS]

  never not injure another not it and [TS]

  whether or not it's a touchscreen [TS]

  someone . for you to come looking for [TS]

  you to tell me either on knots or that [TS]

  I'm right [TS]

  so I I think I'm sure John would [TS]

  disagree with me [TS]

  I think you're a hundred percent right [TS]

  on everything you've said so far on that [TS]

  topic at least still not crazy about the [TS]

  white supers but you know I so so my I [TS]

  currently because because I've had a [TS]

  quarter life crisis I I currently own [TS]

  three vehicles and in our household we [TS]

  have we have my 328 we have tips is 250 [TS]

  and i have a1 m and that's a sausage at [TS]

  a whole separate topic right there of of [TS]

  the benefits and drawbacks of having [TS]

  multiple cars per person but so might we [TS]

  create doesn't have either that the 1m [TS]

  does and tiffs is250 has the lexus [TS]

  touchscreen system and then recently I [TS]

  spent some time in my father-in-law's [TS]

  new lexus rx350 one of the RX as the the [TS]

  biggest movies and and that has a new [TS]

  system which is interesting so i drive a [TS]

  BMW is [TS]

  you described a little kind of like ipod [TS]

  like wheel next to the gearshift and [TS]

  that works pretty well you know there is [TS]

  limited in like things like entering [TS]

  text where you have to like you like to [TS]

  move it [TS]

  it's almost like picking a number from a [TS]

  rotary phone dial you like to type in [TS]

  text just like turn the wheel around the [TS]

  circle and the points to a letter then [TS]

  you pick up by pushing in so that's kind [TS]

  of that kind of sucks [TS]

  other than that though I find I Drive [TS]

  very good because it's very it's very [TS]

  responsive you know when you move that [TS]

  wheel the selection you have on screen [TS]

  it's a very ipod like interface where [TS]

  you have you know depths of menus the [TS]

  selection you have on screen changes [TS]

  instantly even if the thing that it's [TS]

  changing has to load something you get [TS]

  that instant immediate user interface [TS]

  feedback that that you know your input [TS]

  was recognized and the wheel itself also [TS]

  has notches [TS]

  so when you're turning it you know I [TS]

  turned two notches going to go two spots [TS]

  and sure enough on screen it does so [TS]

  that's all this feedback in a system [TS]

  that lets you know that you're in [TS]

  control and then it's responding to you [TS]

  is very very important especially since [TS]

  you didn't do not just actually were [TS]

  very good . that I didn't even consider [TS]

  so this way you can glance at the screen [TS]

  know that you're trying to go two [TS]

  notches down and look away from the [TS]

  screen slide down two notches and commit [TS]

  and no just like you were saying know [TS]

  exactly where you are exactly and so so [TS]

  for tips is 250 it has the lexus [TS]

  touchscreen thing and not the current [TS]

  generation the one from from a [TS]

  year-and-a-half ago that two years ago [TS]

  whatever that was and lexus always says [TS]

  as a result of me always go into car [TS]

  dealers as much as I can with my family [TS]

  members and teach parents having had a [TS]

  lot of Alexis's over the last 20 years [TS]

  or so and and tiff now having 1 i've [TS]

  been to a lot of lexus dealers and I've [TS]

  been to a few a lot of times and they [TS]

  always are bragging about how their [TS]

  system is got is getting faster and oh [TS]

  this new one is way faster than the old [TS]

  one I have yet to find one that i would [TS]

  consider fast it's kinda like how [TS]

  desktop linux is always getting better [TS]

  but it's never good [TS]

  you know it like it [TS]

  insert android joke here also you know [TS]

  it's it's always on that it's always [TS]

  getting better but you try to use it [TS]

  like oh my god this is terrible so the [TS]

  main problem with with tips touch screen [TS]

  is that it's just so ridiculously slow [TS]

  to respond to everything and it also [TS]

  does not in queue actions that you touch [TS]

  on there so if you are typing in the [TS]

  name of a street if you type more than [TS]

  about one letter per second then it will [TS]

  drop the excess ones it will just ignore [TS]

  them as if you didn't type them which is [TS]

  not only very frustrating but it's also [TS]

  a recipe for lots of errors because [TS]

  you'll type in say three letters the [TS]

  middle one will have been ignored and [TS]

  now you have to backspace the second the [TS]

  third one that's not the second one is [TS]

  misspelling the street and I don't know [TS]

  I don't know why they think is [TS]

  acceptable it is so infuriating to try [TS]

  to use it to just do a basic things like [TS]

  typing in a dress that actually BMW [TS]

  stupid spinning around the wheel system [TS]

  to type in a word might actually be [TS]

  faster most of the time because alexis [TS]

  is just so incredibly slow to respond [TS]

  and so that that's the old system the [TS]

  new system now that my father-in-law's [TS]

  new SUV has in the RX 350 they've [TS]

  actually now moved towards kind of a [TS]

  hybrid that the the hybrid . between [TS]

  BMWs iDrive and things like that like I [TS]

  know how he has something very similar [TS]

  to eye dr where they have like a little [TS]

  controller near the near the [TS]

  transmission stick and a few buttons [TS]

  around it and they have that he also has [TS]

  a weird handwriting recognition thing [TS]

  it's kinda like the like the the writing [TS]

  area on a palm pilot where there's like [TS]

  a little square next to their next to a [TS]

  digital controller you can you can [TS]

  handwrite individual letters one at a [TS]

  time and it will attempt to recognize my [TS]

  i try to a dealership and it I couldn't [TS]

  type in my own street name i could write [TS]

  it in i tried their speech recognition [TS]

  didn't recognize that I mean I'm not the [TS]

  best speaker in the world but you know [TS]

  syria has no problems with it and so [TS]

  anyway out is at his speech that was [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  anyway so the new Lexus system keeps the [TS]

  entire interface from the touchscreen [TS]

  system [TS]

  it looks just like the touch screen [TS]

  system on screen [TS]

  but it's no longer a touch screen now [TS]

  the screen is something in way deep far [TS]

  away into the dash almost like almost by [TS]

  the by the by the glass of the dashboard [TS]

  it's something in a way deep and they [TS]

  placed next to the next to the shifter [TS]

  like this this kind of hockey puck like [TS]

  d pad controller but it it behaves like [TS]

  a track . on laptops little eraserhead [TS]

  nipple things behave like that were you [TS]

  like you push this little controller [TS]

  around and it moves an on-screen mouse [TS]

  pointer it seriously yeah and that and [TS]

  you pick the buttons on screen by moving [TS]

  this on-screen mouse pointer from the [TS]

  stick down by your arm it and it this [TS]

  this brings the worst of all systems [TS]

  together into one it has and the [TS]

  interface looks exactly the same they [TS]

  really didn't seem to do any rethinking [TS]

  of the interface as a result of this [TS]

  massive differently massively different [TS]

  new interface it's the same interface [TS]

  that I've seen on every lexus and many [TS]

  toyota's since then and it's just now [TS]

  you have the mouse pointer and a little [TS]

  mouse like thing that you have to use to [TS]

  control it from the stick [TS]

  I don't know what they were thinking [TS]

  that sounds terrible [TS]

  it really helps i'm waiting John Fritos [TS]

  to level the two of us and drops a bomb [TS]

  you know just because i haven't used the [TS]

  eye dr a certain that certainly not [TS]

  gonna stop me from having an opinion [TS]

  about it [TS]

  naturally it's so here uh if I had a [TS]

  thing with I Drive the current version i [TS]

  think my first complaint would probably [TS]

  be because i have very long arms and [TS]

  because the thing is set back behind the [TS]

  shift lever i would probably complain [TS]

  that i bump my elbow when I'm trying [TS]

  like trying to reach back word for it [TS]

  because it was my push my arm backwards [TS]

  in my arm hit my the back of my tricep [TS]

  hits the seatback can't go back any [TS]

  farther I have that problem you know [TS]

  we're trying to shift down into like [TS]

  second or fourth or you know 636 little [TS]

  bit farther out where shifters aren't [TS]

  far enough forward for my long you know [TS]

  forearm so when I shift backwards my [TS]

  elbow bump so I would be a pain for me [TS]

  to have to reach behind the shifter for [TS]

  anything because I didn't shifting the [TS]

  second sometimes I feel like I have to [TS]

  do the last bit of the shift into second [TS]

  with with my wrist because i can't bring [TS]

  the arm back any farther you're not i [TS]

  mean what can i say that he likes [TS]

  real-time follow-up yeah [TS]

  many of the new BMW models including the [TS]

  new three and six series put the shifter [TS]

  or put the idea of thing a little bit to [TS]

  the right of the shifter not behind it [TS]

  yeah that would be better for reaching [TS]

  but so for I I likely i like the idea of [TS]

  the little little you know notches we [TS]

  can tell how many steps are going but [TS]

  the main problem with all these systems [TS]

  and i would agree that a thing with the [TS]

  cursor is like you know we can quote [TS]

  Steve Jobs you see the cursor they blew [TS]

  it what they don't know what they're [TS]

  thinking that's just it's bizarre [TS]

  yeah that's it that's like when you go [TS]

  to the ATM at the bank you see the [TS]

  little white windows cursor on the [TS]

  screen okay you know you know it's been [TS]

  a bad day at the ATM or the OS to [TS]

  wherever the hell number 184 unless two [TS]

  of those were the days anyway the main [TS]

  problem with all these things is that [TS]

  they are trying to they're trying to do [TS]

  kind of what Steve Jobs said you know [TS]

  what they like [TS]

  if you make a phone and we have to pick [TS]

  what kind of buttons we have in the [TS]

  front of it we can ever change that [TS]

  until we ship another phone but if we [TS]

  make it all screen and we can have any [TS]

  kind of keep we want a special keyboard [TS]

  for inputting you know domain names in [TS] button and typing things in [TS]

  America keypad and all the subsoil you [TS]

  know if we put a screen and we just have [TS]

  some cool way to control that screen you [TS]

  know sort of you know we can have some [TS]

  weight if you control so you don't take [TS]

  your eyes off the roads we got a little [TS]

  notches you don't have a picker your arm [TS]

  up like Casey was saying with the head [TS]

  of touchscreen is harder to do that you [TS]

  know the track . people obviously [TS]

  weren't thinking of any of those things [TS]

  but they just wanted to have a screen [TS]

  because i think it's cool to have a [TS]

  screen that the problem with all know is [TS]

  that they all are worse for random [TS]

  access like if i want to turn the fan [TS]

  off or you know just the fan speed to [TS]

  turn the fan off i can do that in my [TS]

  crappy non screen bearing honda's [TS]

  without looking every single time [TS]

  because the fan knob is big [TS]

  I know exactly where it is in order to [TS]

  look through twists all it off like to [TS]

  feel it when it gets the end is the left [TS]

  I could feel how far halfway is I can [TS]

  feel how far fullest no matter how easy [TS]

  it is to me to navigate some stupid menu [TS]

  system on a screen [TS]

  no matter how much I can kind of look at [TS]

  the screen and turn the knob and [TS]

  glassware whatever it's never going to [TS]

  be faster than me reaching my hand out [TS]

  for the knob that never ever moves that [TS]

  only controls fan speed and twisting it [TS]

  now [TS]

  no these things also have always you [TS]

  know you don't need to do that on the [TS]

  screen I have there is a knob for fans [TS]

  be there is a not for temperature we do [TS]

  put physical buttons for the things but [TS]

  I always question like what kind of [TS]

  things am I going to be doing on the [TS]

  screen aside from just looking at [TS]

  obviously flight navigation or something [TS]

  I think anything you do commonly should [TS]

  have a physical control and there's very [TS]

  little i would want to be on that screen [TS]

  even things like turning traction [TS]

  control on and off I'd rather have that [TS]

  is a button on the dashboard because as [TS]

  far as I'm concerned like it's a [TS]

  dashboard we had some it's a literal [TS]

  dashboard put the buttons on it you know [TS]

  what I mean like it's like airplanes [TS]

  what does he have a million buttons or [TS]

  it's a car put you know put them on the [TS]

  steering wheel put them where they're [TS]

  easy to reach that's the ergonomics of [TS]

  car interior design [TS]

  I want every single control even the [TS]

  obscure ones like cruise control [TS]

  traction control stability control [TS]

  sports setting or the little the little [TS]

  switch on the Ferrari steering wheel to [TS]

  go for the different settings like [TS]

  there's a place for those switches just [TS]

  put them there they'll never move and [TS]

  I'll be able to find more quickly [TS]

  hopefully without looking and then I [TS]

  want to screw with any cabinet face that [TS]

  makes me move the cursor around the [TS]

  screen or navigation menu or even touch [TS]

  a touch screen and if you do that then [TS]

  the screen can just be for display [TS]

  purposes and also if you have to do [TS]

  something particularly complicated it [TS]

  can work like a big ipad or something [TS]

  like going to stop trying to like a [TS]

  video call with somebody or whatever you [TS]

  know what I think it's all about a [TS]

  balance here of balancing between fiscal [TS]

  controls and these software based [TS]

  systems that have menus and and [TS]

  different formats and everything and and [TS]

  different factors have made very [TS]

  different decisions in this regard on [TS]

  John I think you'd actually like BMW for [TS]

  this because there are physical controls [TS]

  for almost everything that you just [TS]

  mentioned [TS]

  no I'm looking at looking at the [TS]

  interior of the car right now like with [TS]

  that you know that they've gone back no [TS]

  direction used to be like hey we can [TS]

  just have a screen that's like now okay [TS]

  well we'll have a screen but also [TS]

  temperature and fan speed okay well [TS]

  screen but also temperature fan speed [TS]

  and cruise control audio screen but [TS]

  temperature fancies cruise control radio [TS]

  presets ok screen but like it's like you [TS]

  just you just reversing until you [TS]

  eventually back to like it [TS]

  I feel like all the energy is going into [TS]

  the stupid screens and they're doing a [TS]

  bad job of the software you know most of [TS]

  the car makers are anyway they should [TS]

  just go back to concentrating on making [TS]

  a really good car interior where they [TS]

  decide what is the most important role [TS]

  with the second-most [TS]

  third most how easy is it to find and [TS]

  feel the buttons for cruise control or [TS]

  upshifting or anything on the steering [TS]

  wheel and you know the High Court has a [TS]

  comically large volume button in the [TS]

  stead center and top of the constant yep [TS]

  i had that the thing is like that is [TS]

  comically large but you know it's kind [TS]

  of like the big a button on the gamecube [TS]

  controller like it's easier to change [TS]

  the volume without looking at the cards [TS]

  also steering wheel controls but like [TS]

  it's just it's kind of nice to go you [TS]

  just you're not gonna miss it you can [TS]

  tell exactly where it is and it feels [TS]

  good to turn it like that's that's a [TS]

  good you know a good car interior has [TS]

  kind of features maybe that's not the [TS]

  most important role but I think that's [TS]

  what they should be concentrating on [TS]

  pretend there's no screen make the most [TS]

  awesome car into your account you can [TS]

  now add a screen and what additional [TS]

  cool things you can do with the screen [TS]

  obviously navigation and stuff like that [TS]

  but you know if there really is some [TS]

  feature that's too complicated to [TS]

  provide a switch for my can think of [TS]

  anything maybe you could do some sort of [TS]

  complicated airflow control like a [TS]

  minivan or something and you don't have [TS]

  a touchscreen interface for that [TS]

  by all means do it like that but I do [TS]

  not want to like I don't think any kind [TS]

  of on-screen control should be so [TS]

  important that they have to put a [TS]

  control like I Drive like next to the [TS]

  shifter like it's never gonna be as [TS]

  important as the shifter in fact i would [TS]

  rather not be interacting with that [TS]

  screen while driving at all possible and [TS]

  that's I mean I think again I think [TS]

  you'll be very happy with the BMW's [TS]

  balance struck here where we're almost [TS]

  every common function that you would do [TS]

  except like media navigation and and [TS]

  navigation almost all those things can [TS]

  be accessed with the screen totally off [TS]

  or removed or anything because one thing [TS]

  is at BWW cells at least the previous [TS]

  generation they sold without the screen [TS]

  the screen was an option so they had to [TS]

  make all the controls for everything and [TS]

  then and butt and then you know alexis [TS]

  has made very different choices here [TS]

  lexus screen is a lot of the temperature [TS]

  and audio controls are only in the [TS]

  screen and when we're into this car [TS]

  drives me nuts [TS]

  temperature is only on the screen yeah [TS]

  well-well like that some part of the [TS]

  ground like you can there's like a [TS]

  temperature up and down button that's [TS]

  that's a hardware button but like a lot [TS]

  of the controls for things like [TS]

  introducing oh yeah i think a lot of [TS]

  that is actually is isn't screen only [TS]

  and it drives me crazy and and then out [TS]

  and we we can't leave the top of talking [TS]

  about the tesla model s are you familiar [TS]

  with the yeah it's a tesla model s [TS]

  basically has I think it's got 11 HR 10 [TS]

  inch screen in the center of the console [TS]

  that controls pretty much everything and [TS]

  there are almost no other buttons in the [TS]

  entire rest of the car and and that this [TS]

  is kind of better design goal of theirs [TS]

  to to have almost no other buttons [TS]

  anywhere else to put everything in this [TS]

  function even things like like the [TS]

  powered seat adjustment like everything [TS]

  is in the screen and and their rationale [TS]

  for this which is kind of you know you [TS]

  can understand why they thought this way [TS]

  the rationale was we make everything [TS]

  part of this integrated software system [TS]

  thing and then it's easy to update its [TS]

  easy to make it better we can even add [TS]

  features later on as long as the [TS]

  necessary hardware is available to us so [TS]

  that was a noble goal i guess but like I [TS]

  got to sit in one in a showroom in a [TS]

  mall and can actually drive them but you [TS]

  can get the second one a mushroom and I [TS]

  just tried to navigate that screen a [TS]

  little bit and it was because they were [TS]

  relying on the screen for everything it [TS]

  was really complicated like the it was a [TS]

  very cluttered interface trying to look [TS]

  good and nice but it ended up looking [TS]

  very cluttered and they had through [TS]

  everything in there like you know you [TS]

  could be trying to adjust your seat and [TS]

  accidentally open up a web browser like [TS]

  I don't like it they went way too far in [TS]

  that direction as green screen serves [TS]

  more than one purpose though like the [TS]

  other perp the other important purpose [TS]

  that screen serves is to make you feel [TS]

  like you've purchased a futuristic car [TS]

  and I did you know and that sounds [TS]

  cynical and like they're trying to pull [TS]

  a fast one on you but I think that [TS]

  actually is legitimate purpose like [TS]

  someone's going to spend a hundred grand [TS]

  on the good you know tesla model s they [TS]

  want to feel like they bought a [TS]

  futuristic car and because we all grew [TS]

  up watching movies where the insides of [TS]

  cars look like this they'll don't you [TS]

  have happy customers who would like oh [TS]

  this feels like it will show it off to [TS]

  their friends right [TS]

  maybe they'll also be frustrated with it [TS]

  because it's a terrible idea and you [TS]

  need some freakin knobs but like [TS]

  especially for the first model out the [TS]

  gate of like that you know the the [TS]

  four-seat sort of [TS]

  you know none that you know not the [TS]

  Roadster not the little ones used to [TS]

  make based on the least like this is [TS]

  like their mainstream player whatever [TS]

  here [TS]

  I mean don't backpedal if they're still [TS]

  around for a couple more generations [TS]

  that touchscreen is going to you you're [TS]

  going to see some knobs or whatever but [TS]

  it's kinda like the original Mac without [TS]

  the arrow keys on the keyboard right [TS]

  it's like it's it's a it's a vision [TS]

  statement of like this is the future of [TS]

  driving and it's kind of like you know I [TS]

  i'm making a statement about the future [TS]

  we think that they think so much the [TS]

  futures touch screens but they think [TS]

  electric cars of the future so they're [TS]

  gonna make their electric car look [TS]

  futuristic but they got a backslide not [TS]

  because it's just you know no matter how [TS]

  good even if you have apple make bread [TS]

  interface the bottom line is it's a big [TS]

  flat sheet of glass that you have to [TS]

  look at to get anything done that's no [TS]

  good [TS]

  well yeah it goes beyond question of [TS]

  interface design and now it's simply [TS]

  it's a question of of project management [TS]

  and effectively it's like like they [TS]

  they're asking this one screen to do way [TS]

  too much and they could really benefit [TS]

  from a few buttons and they won't do it [TS]

  it's not so instead they haven't is one [TS]

  giant screen they're giving it the job [TS]

  of everything and it's kind of [TS]

  questionable whether it's even possible [TS]

  to make a great interface to that it was [TS]

  it is no there's no physical feedback [TS]

  that the place where I think the screens [TS]

  have had a place is and the Tesla does [TS]

  this as well and a lot of other cars or [TS]

  are doing this is replaced the thing [TS]

  that has all like the dials and [TS]

  everything fine replace that with an [TS]

  awesome-looking screen it's sunken it [TS]

  can be in a place where like you know [TS]

  the brightness is in a concern like it's [TS]

  something in the dash and make [TS]

  awesome-looking computerized displays [TS]

  for you know for speedometer tackle and [TS]

  stuff and I think of some cars have done [TS]

  that was the lexus LFA did this maybe [TS]

  case you know because regular needles [TS]

  couldn't keep up with the reading of the [TS]

  the v10 engine they have been there it [TS]

  was Edward it would read from us but I [TS]

  kind of believe it because there's no [TS]

  needles lagna fit into some sort of [TS]

  physical actual gauge hooked up to the [TS]

  red thing it was always lagging behind [TS]

  where was where you can wear a screen [TS]

  can update a you know instantly so that [TS]

  type of stuff i think is great for [TS]

  display purposes by all means replace [TS]

  all those stupid dials with a real woman [TS]

  like a retina awesome-looking [TS]

  high-powered a very bright high-contrast [TS]

  display that shows cool stuff and share [TS]

  update that with new software updates [TS]

  for cool speedometers and little things [TS]

  telling you your door opener where the [TS]

  hell [TS]

  just I want to put in there but i'm not [TS]

  actually sure i would want that that [TS]

  sounds it sounds like it would be a [TS]

  massive opportunity for them to screw [TS]

  things up [TS]

  it is but they can always fix I mean [TS]

  it's like it's like anything else I mean [TS]

  you've seen some of the physical dials [TS]

  that they they're always there forever [TS]

  screwing up a speedometer attack [TS]

  yeah fuel gauge I mean just look at the [TS]

  eighties that they're just everybody [TS]

  that the linear speedometers with the [TS]

  bar graph for those i wasn't gonna do [TS]

  yeah and the digital number like yes [TS]

  people will always screw up the stuff [TS]

  and that's why people like please just [TS]

  give me dials back because these dials [TS]

  are like tried-and-true you can't really [TS]

  screw up that much they're the worst [TS]

  thing you can do is put like a 250 . 50 [TS]

  mile-per-hour speedometer on your civic [TS]

  and then you end up only ever using like [TS]

  you know 30-degree the first 30 degrees [TS]

  of the entire speedometer you spend your [TS]

  time but yeah but well done [TS]

  speedometer with ya based on a screen [TS]

  would be a good idea but that's where I [TS]

  think screens belong not so much in the [TS]

  center console for anything except for [TS]

  like your navigation map and speaking of [TS]

  the media stuff like that's a tough nut [TS]

  to crack and because that's place where [TS]

  you can't get away with a tuning dial [TS]

  and presets like you want to be able to [TS]

  help you wanna be able to scroll down to [TS]

  you know your favorite band or your [TS]

  favorite playlists or whatever and the [TS]

  only way to do that without a touch [TS]

  screen is to do some sort of voice [TS]

  recognition and they're also forever [TS]

  trying to do that and Apple has a new [TS]

  Siri integration with the various car [TS]

  makers and stuff so they'll keep working [TS]

  on that but it's a random access type [TS]

  thing where there's no physical control [TS]

  is going to save you like look you got a [TS]

  billion artist in 20 billion playlist [TS]

  you know the one you want there's no [TS]

  button you can push to get it because [TS]

  you just have too many of you is going [TS]

  to have to scroll or speak or you know [TS]

  have your that the best the best [TS]

  interface to that I've found is just a [TS]

  spouse next to you and talk and then [TS]

  they will sit there on the ipod screen [TS]

  or wherever find it and play it and you [TS]

  never have to take your eyes off the [TS]

  road spouse is highly recommended highly [TS]

  recommend what's funny to kind of go [TS]

  back and then forward two step one of [TS]

  the things that I've learned about I [TS]

  Drive is that the the initial version [TS]

  that nobody liked that everyone felt was [TS]

  crummy part of the problem we felt that [TS]

  was because there were so few buttons [TS]

  involved in like both of you guys were [TS]

  saying with time they kind of reverted [TS]

  to buttons and so if you were to look at [TS]

  pictures of early i drive systems back [TS]

  . was this the ccc the car communication [TS]

  computer that system usually had only [TS]

  one or two buttons associated with it [TS]

  other than the eye dr stick or whatever [TS]

  it's called itself where is the one that [TS]

  I haven't believe it's the same in [TS]

  Marcos uh and it's got the the spinner [TS]

  the stick whatever you want to call it [TS]

  in i want to say five other six seven [TS]

  other buttons so there's a button to go [TS]

  straight to telephone there's a button [TS]

  to go straight to radio to go straight [TS]

  to CD have to go straight to navigation [TS]

  and then there's also a general home [TS]

  button and then there's i think back in [TS]

  an option key as well and that sounds [TS]

  really complex but it actually makes it [TS]

  considerably easier in typical tmw [TS]

  fashion that they've actually added way [TS]

  too many buttons for most people but us [TS]

  knows how to get out but that's actually [TS]

  very good point is i'm curious what a [TS]

  non do we would have to say about all [TS]

  this and kinda to that point one of the [TS]

  things that I discovered on my car is [TS]

  that it's got what appear to be six [TS]

  radio preset buttons and because I'm a [TS]

  big enough nerd that i've actually read [TS]

  the owners manual once I got in order to [TS]

  learn all these kind of obscure one-offs [TS]

  you can actually have those preset [TS]

  buttons rather than do radio presets be [TS]

  presets to menus and things within the [TS]

  eye dr so what I've done is I've set up [TS]

  to call Aaron to call my wife as the [TS]

  very first preset so if I mashed down on [TS]

  the first preset it will call Aaron the [TS]

  second preset I think sends me home so [TS]

  you know it'll it all to automatically [TS]

  has keyed in my home address and so all [TS]

  i have to do is hit the second button [TS]

  and it's going home [TS]

  the third button in this kind of also [TS]

  speaks to software updates actually had [TS]

  to get a not update for the car software [TS]

  update for the car and with that [TS]

  question malarious which is weird but [TS]

  with that came now the car can actually [TS]

  communicate with my iphone and show me [TS]

  text messages on the eye dr now there's [TS]

  a pretty legitimate argument that i [TS]

  shouldn't be reading text messages on [TS]

  the eye dr but be that as it may the [TS]

  third button brings me to my messages [TS]

  and then the fourth button i have 4 515 [TS]

  6 buttons i have for various other and [TS]

  sundry things but i think having those [TS]

  buttons both the ones around the stick [TS]

  to go straight to telephone straight to [TS]

  navigate cetera as well as having those [TS]

  user programmable buttons in that look [TS]

  like radio presets that makes the eye dr [TS]

  that much easier to use and the other [TS]

  thing that I really like having the eye [TS]

  dr for [TS]

  and this is kind of building on what you [TS]

  were saying John is is for things that [TS]

  you can't just slam into a teeny tiny [TS]

  display on the dash so in the BMW's it [TS]

  has a little teeny display in the dash [TS]

  but for example if if a tire gets low on [TS]

  pressure or if there's a alarm because [TS]

  it's cold outside rather than just [TS]

  seeing a snowflake in the dash and [TS]

  assuming you know what that means in the [TS]

  eye dr can say hey it's 37 degrees out [TS]

  be careful or hey this right rear tires [TS]

  low you should drive 50 miles and no [TS]

  more you should do it at 55 miles an [TS]

  hour no more than that as opposed to [TS]

  just seeing a picture of the car and a [TS]

  red tire in the back and so having that [TS]

  be that feedback is really nice and the [TS]

  final thing that makes it really really [TS]

  nice is the integration with BMW apps [TS]

  will excuse me [TS]

  BMW Assist which is kind of like they're [TS]

  on star and so that avoids marcos [TS]

  pitfall of doing the rotary phone [TS]

  address styling because what i can do is [TS]

  i can go on google maps find a dress and [TS]

  actually have google send that to the [TS]

  car so it's waiting for me by the time i [TS]

  get there and if i didn't have any one [TS]

  of these features i probably still like [TS]

  the eye dr but if all of those features [TS]

  went away I think I'd hate it just as [TS]

  much as the earlier drive adopters did [TS]

  and then the other thing I wanted to [TS]

  briefly bring up as I don't know if you [TS]

  guys have looked into this into the [TS]

  corvette c7 but John that has the dash [TS]

  that you're describing where it's a [TS]

  completely configurable dashboard the [TS]

  dashboard so you can have the [TS]

  speedometer and tachometer or you can [TS]

  have a g-meter or you can have many [TS]

  other things and I think you can change [TS]

  so that in one view that the [TS]

  speedometers huge in the tachometer [TS]

  small maybe if you just cruising around [TS]

  in another you can do the reverse [TS]

  because you're on the track and you care [TS]

  about how quick your shifting not how [TS]

  court went to shift not how quick your [TS]

  going and I think you're absolutely [TS]

  right that really in a perfect world [TS]

  that's where the screen belongs not [TS]

  necessarily in the center of the car I [TS]

  could not disagree more [TS]

  ok why well okay so as a programmer you [TS]

  know is I'd like that it's one more [TS]

  thing to screw up to expand a little bit [TS]

  you know as a programmer generally [TS]

  speaking I hate software and I know that [TS]

  sounds weird but but the reason I hate [TS]

  software is because I know how hard it [TS]

  is to get software right and I know how [TS]

  many times for how many products and [TS]

  services the software is so bad and so [TS]

  wrong and and I Drive [TS]

  and and all the navigation system i've [TS]

  seen so far I would not describe any of [TS]

  them is great in fact i would have a [TS]

  hard time even describing most of them [TS]

  is good [TS]

  I Drive I might I might call could but [TS]

  you know the reason why you know like [TS]

  you before getting a BMW I i had heard [TS]

  all sorts of things about how horrible i [TS]

  drive was so i went with very low [TS]

  expectations and I've been pleasantly [TS]

  surprised by it like you partially [TS]

  because my expectations are so low but [TS]

  at and partially because while it does [TS]

  have problems and things that don't make [TS]

  a lot of sense about it it has fewer of [TS]

  those things than the other systems that [TS]

  I've tried and obviously between the [TS]

  three of us there are a lot of systems [TS]

  that we haven't tried that we can't [TS]

  really speak in the back but there could [TS]

  for all I know there could be a great 1i [TS]

  just have never seen it but the end and [TS]

  I think it's unlikely honestly i think [TS]

  that i think the existence of a great [TS]

  was very unlikely but I think the reason [TS]

  why I wouldn't want the the like gage [TS]

  area of the dash to be just just a big [TS]

  screen that could be configured is [TS]

  because there's a few things 144 like [TS]

  visual organ ominous whatever the right [TS]

  word before this i think it would be [TS]

  hard to make most screen technology get [TS]

  dim enough to look okay at night I think [TS]

  oledb might be the only choice here that [TS]

  would make sense but then those have LED [TS]

  screens have have pretty short lifetimes [TS]

  relatively speaking and color shifts [TS]

  over time as as like the blue pixels [TS]

  fade and stuff like that there's there's [TS]

  problems with LED that would make it bad [TS]

  for something we're supposed to own for [TS]

  you know ten to fifteen years and who [TS]

  else you can't do it like getting dim [TS]

  zeros not the problem problem do the [TS]

  reverse being able to be bright enough [TS]

  to be and in readable right I guess I'm [TS]

  that's the other problem so yeah but dim [TS]

  isn't a problem but I think for the [TS]

  brightness like it's it's much better [TS]

  off than the LCD got for your navigation [TS]

  because you can really bury those gauges [TS]

  like as a hood over like they're [TS]

  protected there in a little cave I think [TS]

  technology is good enough now to make [TS]

  them really bright and I think even for [TS]

  physical gauges I'm sure we've all [TS]

  driven a car [TS]

  where the physical gauges during a [TS]

  certain time of day become not [TS]

  particularly visible like it's not you [TS]

  know we in turn on the headlights like [TS]

  the back light comes on but they're not [TS]

  that visible when you turn off the [TS]

  headlights that too dim there's even for [TS]

  physical gauges there's times a day with [TS]

  a difficult to read i think i'm not all [TS]

  display but I mean it depends on what [TS]

  are you ever see the the white on black [TS]

  black my reversing ones that was a trend [TS]

  a couple have a decade of horses yeah [TS]

  let my maxima had those actually yeah [TS]

  those works surprisingly well except for [TS]

  about 15 minutes during the day there [TS]

  was a little wacky but even regular ones [TS]

  can be a little bit weird i think like [TS]

  screen technology is at the point now [TS]

  where they can have less of a weird time [TS]

  because they can totally dynamically [TS]

  adjust much more so than just what we [TS]

  have a physical thing and we can light [TS]

  it from the front and we can write it [TS]

  from the back and we can adjust those [TS]

  who like to but that's it [TS]

  now we've got a complete RGB thing that [TS]

  you can really play with in terms of [TS]

  brightness contrast colors everything [TS]

  and you know put through a light sensor [TS]

  on it can detect with its surroundings [TS]

  aren't everything [TS]

  well i think if you if you go really far [TS]

  with it and and you make it more like a [TS]

  computer or like an iPad or something if [TS]

  you go that if you go so far with it [TS]

  that people can kind of make their own [TS]

  and customize and make their own themes [TS]

  and and make their own arrangements then [TS]

  start wearing exactly so it means you [TS]

  could do that then you can rely on [TS]

  people with good taste making these kind [TS]

  of things and post them online so you [TS]

  could use something with that and I [TS]

  think that is the future though I mean [TS]

  like it's like talking about in that [TS]

  blog post i like all these things that [TS]

  used to not have anything to do with [TS]

  software like it's inevitable that [TS]

  software will become an important part [TS]

  of that I know you're saying you hate it [TS]

  because you know how badly everyone does [TS]

  software that's true because all these [TS]

  companies that you should not have to do [TS]

  anything with software or like doing [TS]

  minimal thing with stuff like one got [TS]

  off in the corner was working on [TS]

  software inevitably they will either go [TS]

  out of business or they're gonna have to [TS]

  get good at doing software because this [TS]

  thing they were making it used to be all [TS]

  about everything but software software [TS]

  is going to become an important it's [TS]

  kind of like safety like safety was like [TS]

  yeah whatever you're fine okay final and [TS]

  seatbelts who said we should but now [TS]

  like safety like those huge departments [TS]

  and every car maker dealing with safety [TS]

  and incredibly complicated and they have [TS]

  gained expertise and safety for [TS]

  everything from you know crash [TS]

  protection and the [TS]

  the Brazilian airbags are in and a [TS]

  pedestrian safety so when you hit a [TS]

  pedestrian and cracked his skull in the [TS]

  hood of the car like if you had said all [TS]

  that you know safety they're never gonna [TS]

  be good at forget like they'll have to [TS]

  gain expertise so I think this is [TS]

  inevitable and it right there most of [TS]

  them have been disgusting but I think [TS]

  now they've been doing these software [TS]

  dashboards displays long enough to to do [TS]

  a competent job of kind of like the eye [TS]

  dr thing where like a touch screen set [TS]

  like to look at the video case you put [TS]

  in the thing you're showing this [TS]

  Corvette one now granted the entire [TS]

  corvette is I would say not taste of all [TS]

  let's say that everyone can email you [TS]

  about that because I agree with you but [TS]

  I wasn't brave enough to say it yeah i [TS]

  mean that's kind of the Corvette's thing [TS]

  that wasn't it's not like it's not [TS]

  trying to be understated and classy it's [TS]

  like no this is a big red hot wheels car [TS]

  that you drive and the dashboard thing [TS]

  looks like that and that's I think [TS]

  that's a branding opportunity that [TS]

  they're taking you know you want to feel [TS]

  like a boy racer in this car [TS]

  well here's a friggin boy racer gauge [TS]

  cluster take a look at it i mean i think [TS]

  they're pulling it off I mean you know [TS]

  again this is I think this is the first [TS]

  generation we're doing is really [TS]

  configurable thing but you know give it [TS]

  5-10 years and I think this will have [TS]

  settled down such that when you driving [TS]

  your little toyota corolla with your LCD [TS]

  display thing about that's fine [TS]

  like you want it you know what when our [TS]

  kids are driving they won't think for a [TS]

  second about the the thing that they're [TS]

  looking at between this the steering [TS]

  wheel could be any different than what [TS]

  it is [TS]

  see I don't know because I mean I can [TS]

  see going either way you know it going [TS]

  the other direction [TS]

  what you mentioned earlier about how [TS]

  back in the seventies and eighties when [TS]

  everything kind of went all digital and [TS]

  then we can step back from that I think [TS]

  that same thing could happen here with [TS]

  these dashboard gauges and stuff over [TS]

  the next five or ten years like we could [TS]

  be right now the technology has finally [TS]

  become cheap enough that a lot more cars [TS]

  can start adding it and they are but [TS]

  then like you know in five years it's [TS]

  gonna be very commonplace and probably [TS]

  probably will have gone too far in that [TS]

  direction we're going to step back and [TS]

  the other thing is like this to me it's [TS]

  like what the gauges have to do is a [TS]

  pretty simple job really like I i really [TS]

  have have never will be making your [TS]

  changes in Michael you're just thinking [TS]

  of what they do now [TS]

  it's like Casey said well here and we're [TS]

  the generation where when your oil needs [TS]

  to be changed a little wrench light [TS]

  lights up in the dashboard or you know [TS]

  like the little picture of a car but [TS]

  this trunk open comes on and like yeah [TS]

  what else do you need to do well if you [TS]

  have a screen and not like well okay [TS]

  you've got 775 square inches you have [TS]

  this many and this is how much room you [TS]

  have for indicator lights and when this [TS]

  is wrong this light comes on and this is [TS]

  long we just have an oil light or [TS]

  whatever like if you have a screen you [TS]

  can do so much better than that and i [TS]

  think it will look barbaric to say like [TS]

  you know something appears on the screen [TS]

  that looks like a little wrench to tell [TS]

  you that you have to bring your car in [TS]

  or check the check engine light like the [TS]

  fact that there's light why would just a [TS]

  check engine why wouldn't it be more [TS]

  specific like if it knows you know [TS]

  something's rights of all that you only [TS]

  have room for how many lights is you [TS]

  know look at your look at your dashboard [TS]

  see all those little dimmed lights a [TS]

  little hieroglyphics with no words [TS]

  because they have to be localized and [TS]

  everything that's that's what software [TS]

  is for to not have that do not have a [TS]

  million different little cutout light up [TS]

  things but instead to be able to just [TS]

  tell you i mean i don't think it's a [TS]

  you're right this is gonna be some [TS]

  exuberance and ridiculousness and I [TS]

  think like the Tesla is an example of [TS]

  that like you know not you know the [TS]

  first generation is always going to be [TS]

  silly kind of like the first generation [TS]

  of a people who had access to word [TS]

  processors that could use fonts and went [TS]

  crazy and every single newsletter 8,000 [TS]

  flights in it right but we settled down [TS]

  right and we didn't settle down by going [TS]

  back to you know movable-type right we [TS]

  settle down by just taking the tools [TS]

  that we had and and getting them under [TS]

  control so i don't think that it's not [TS]

  like physical controls vs busy and we're [TS]

  talking about something you just look at [TS]

  its justin information display this is [TS]

  gonna be a screen and then there's not [TS]

  gonna be any backsliding two gauges [TS]

  well I have 53 counter-arguments one is [TS]

  that again I i really do doubt that they [TS]

  will be tastefully designed and I think [TS]

  that's a bad thing somewhere eventually [TS]

  maybe Facebook for years so that's one [TS]

  number two is you know I think making [TS]

  this all software will inevitably make [TS]

  it more complicated and and more to deal [TS]

  with you know like it's going to be [TS]

  there's gonna be some things that's [TS]

  going to do worse than the gauges at [TS]

  least for the first few generations [TS]

  the technology catches up to the old [TS]

  analog the way technology always does [TS]

  like there's like maybe it'll be less [TS]

  responsive maybe the screens are just [TS]

  too too low resolution to look very good [TS]

  maybe they won't have enough of a of a [TS]

  brightness range and i'll be a tube [TS]

  right attitude in the day like there's [TS]

  gonna be a lot of these problems [TS]

  number three is because it's because [TS]

  this thing is now software-based you now [TS]

  we'll have more potential ways of [TS]

  failure here now I don't I have rarely [TS]

  seen an important gauge fail in the [TS]

  first like 15 years of any cars life [TS]

  ahead they they do eventually fail [TS]

  sometimes but it takes a long time and [TS]

  you know gauges pretty reliable to give [TS]

  you a point of comparison i have i have [TS]

  nest thermostats in my house and and one [TS]

  of the nest thermostats and you know the [TS]

  nest thermostat is basically around the [TS]

  thermostat with a big round LED LCD [TS]

  screen in the middle of it that a is all [TS]

  software-based and it's all cool [TS]

  computerized but now one of my [TS]

  thermostats has two rows of hot pixels [TS]

  now that's a problem that most people [TS]

  never have and it most people will never [TS]

  have that problem of having to worry [TS]

  about dead pixels on their thermostat i [TS]

  have that problem my thermostats get [TS]

  software updates [TS]

  you know that's not another weird thing [TS]

  I have to worry about like there's [TS]

  there's more more complexity when you [TS]

  make something that was a simple device [TS]

  into a software computer device and so [TS]

  the more you get more features out of it [TS]

  to me that everything that's happening [TS]

  yet everything in our lives just think [TS]

  of your television [TS]

  I never used to get software updates on [TS]

  our television when I was a kid you turn [TS]

  the TV on it got a picture didn't you [TS]

  adjusted the rabbit ears and turn the [TS]

  dial from 213like working and that all [TS]

  you're gonna have software can be [TS]

  complicated now might even get software [TS]

  updates yeah it's way more complicated [TS]

  and and flakier and more annoying but [TS]

  boy it does help a lot more than my TV [TS]

  with the rabbit ears and that's that's [TS]

  how that's how technology goes like it [TS]

  is more complicated [TS]

  there's more things that can go wrong it [TS]

  seems a little bit silly it's different [TS]

  than what it used to be but in exchange [TS]

  for that you're getting something better [TS]

  you're getting something better than the [TS]

  little wrench light you're getting [TS]

  something better than the check engine [TS]

  light and yet you're getting something [TS]

  like that crazy theme where the little [TS]

  Corvette gauges fly average or whatever [TS]

  amazing privilege but people like that [TS]

  stuff i mean people like body cladding [TS]

  on their cars like that doesn't serve [TS]

  any purpose except for maybe for [TS]

  aerodynamics if you're lucky and someone [TS]

  actually thought of that when I made it [TS]

  but like people like those type of [TS]

  things so I think it's gonna happen and [TS]

  I think it will be a net positive it [TS]

  will allow the car makers who have bad [TS]

  taste to flaunt that bad taste but it'll [TS]

  also allow the carmaker's to you know [TS]

  it's like anything else i will allow the [TS]

  carmaker sooo want to have understated [TS]

  elegance to hopefully gain expertise so [TS]

  they can express their brand through [TS]

  through the screen and I think that [TS]

  Kourtney's c7 Corvette it's expressing [TS]

  its brand through that screen we just [TS]

  like its brand but like it's expressing [TS]

  it i would agree i would actually even [TS]

  double down on what you just said in the [TS]

  sense that having this software doesn't [TS]

  able to some really fancy new things [TS]

  like a heads-up display which is [TS]

  actually a win in many different levels [TS]

  including safety because you don't have [TS]

  to look even as far down as your gauges [TS]

  in order to see how fast you're going [TS]

  when you should shift or whatever and [TS]

  another thing I wanted to just quickly [TS]

  bring up which I would just melted my [TS]

  brain when I read it is i was building [TS]

  an m5 online just for grins and giggles [TS]

  and and I think this is true of cars [TS]

  other than the m5 but it but one of the [TS]

  options was m5 speed limit info and I [TS]

  actually copied down verbatim what it [TS]

  said on the website and it said displays [TS]

  the posted limit in the inch instrument [TS]

  cluster as well as the head-up display [TS]

  if so equipped which in and of itself is [TS]

  kind of unremarkable a special camera [TS]

  captures the speed limit posted on signs [TS]

  a control unit then processes this [TS]

  information together with the data on [TS]

  the onboard navigation system [TS]

  oh my god are you kidding so it's a [TS]

  taken pictures of the speed limit signs [TS]

  matching up with what it thinks the [TS]

  speed limit should be in confirming that [TS]

  that is indeed the speed limit and then [TS]

  putting that on the heads-up display [TS]

  just what it sounds just looking into [TS]

  social networking so you can find other [TS]

  people with the speed traps are I mean [TS]

  that that's like roof for legality I'm [TS]

  sure there's already like iOS apps that [TS]

  do that you know we're basically will [TS]

  tell you where the speed traps are [TS]

  because everyone else who drives through [TS]

  them it's like it's basically the [TS]

  internet equivalent of flashing your [TS]

  brights that somebody and you know you [TS]

  drive fast and on the other direction [TS]

  only its massively distributed so those [TS]

  apps already exists for portable devices [TS]

  if automakers could get away with [TS]

  putting them in and not being sued by [TS]

  like municipal police departments they [TS]

  probably would but like that means it's [TS]

  like fighting the time i eventually once [TS]

  you know once were just so accustomed to [TS]

  software just being like like right now [TS]

  basically we're so accustomed to [TS]

  software being on our phones like apps [TS]

  and software on the phone like that ship [TS]

  has sailed but I'm gonna go you know [TS]

  what I'd rather not have apps on my [TS]

  phone and let me go back it's never [TS]

  happening right now we're talking about [TS]

  which apps eventually that will happen [TS]

  anything that software maybe not your [TS]

  refrigerator but certainly your car [TS]

  I cars again you're going to be much [TS]

  slower because of all the legal safety [TS]

  concerns but you probably in our [TS]

  lifetime [TS]

  there's going to be a way for you our [TS]

  children our grandchildren are going to [TS]

  buy a car and it's going to have [TS]

  assuming we still have speed limits this [TS]

  country and having descended into a Mad [TS]

  Max like a post-apocalyptic nightmare [TS]

  world there will be an app that will [TS]

  tell them where the speed traps are [TS]

  based on the information other people [TS]

  who have driven through their children i [TS]

  think going back a second [TS]

  it's important to distinguish you know [TS]

  you're right on this ship has sailed [TS]

  with a lot of this stuff going back a [TS]

  second though to to the speed limit [TS]

  thing and and by the way that is a [TS]

  feature on every five series and I think [TS]

  even three series has most of those [TS]

  features and I'm sure look I mean I'm [TS]

  sure audi has already copied it and I'm [TS]

  sure the people have similar features my [TS]

  number i think Mercedes does anyway I [TS]

  think it's important to point out like [TS]

  software that's added to a car for [TS]

  convenience or driver assistance [TS]

  purposes is much easier to to approve up [TS]

  to say okay yeah that's a good idea but [TS]

  let's have that as an option i object [TS]

  more when when software replaces [TS]

  something that was previously done in in [TS]

  a reliable way that worked fine like the [TS]

  numeric keypad on your phone that kind [TS]

  of thing [TS]

  yeah I have been but we did but again [TS]

  you would not give up your iphone if you [TS]

  could get best you know what you'd be [TS]

  sacrificing if I really approach easy [TS]

  for me to like that the reason that that [TS]

  went away on a phone is because I it's [TS]

  that ok well yeah it's annoying to type [TS]

  in numbers on this thing but you're not [TS]

  going to type in numbers you're going to [TS]

  scroll to your wife's name and tap it [TS]

  with your thumb and isn't that better [TS]

  you [TS]

  oh alright i guess i don't need the [TS]

  numbers anymore I you know there's [TS]

  always something you're trading in [TS]

  exchange for the thing you're familiar [TS]

  with so I don't certainly hear you think [TS]

  I think you will be you will be happy [TS]

  with this transition once it comes with [TS]

  also you know 10 years from now your BMW [TS]

  by then we'll have a screen instead of [TS]

  gauges and I think you'll like it [TS]

  I only attending think probably three [TS]

  years old but I'm assuming you're not [TS]

  going to get a new BMW 3 years that's [TS]

  the beauty of elisa we get [TS]

  the beauty of elisa we get [TS]

  isoball that's right you're gonna have [TS]

  sometimes no but you did you buy the 1m [TS]

  yes but the 1m cannot be my only car [TS]

  because it does it's not really a [TS]

  family-sized yeah that'll be able to [TS]

  episode one other thing though I do [TS]

  think it's important that our I do think [TS]

  it's interesting that you know so right [TS]

  now BMW has these cameras i know this is [TS]

  all about BMW and everyone who hates BMW [TS]

  probably isn't listening to the show [TS]

  oh well anyway so they they put a camera [TS]

  in basically the the front facing [TS]

  surface of the rearview mirror in the [TS]

  center so it looks out from the dash and [TS]

  this camera has a number of things i [TS]

  think it's the rain sensor i'm not sure [TS]

  about that but by having right by having [TS]

  this camera at least you know it if it [TS]

  isn't enter its next to the rain sensor [TS]

  but by having that by having a forward [TS]

  looking camera in you know looking [TS]

  forward at all times and with image [TS]

  processing software behind it [TS]

  they've added multiple features so one [TS]

  of them is that speed limit thing one of [TS]

  them i delayed departure from I forget [TS]

  whether you use the side cameras or the [TS]

  anyway might be late departure another [TS]

  thing added is the the headlight the [TS]

  automatic brights thing where it will [TS]

  automatically turn down your high beams [TS]

  or your brights if if a car is [TS]

  approaching and it it sees that it sees [TS]

  the the white lights in the field of [TS]

  view from the oncoming car so it'll turn [TS]

  off your high beams for you and then [TS]

  turn the back on when the car is gone [TS]

  there'll be a much better future for [TS]

  turned off the other guys brights it [TS]

  haha that's what i like it i think it's [TS]

  like they they say they said okay you [TS]

  know for one or two features we have to [TS]

  add this front looking camera and now [TS]

  now with just simple software tweaks we [TS]

  can now do the other cool things with [TS]

  that information so i think over time [TS]

  that's going to be really exciting is as [TS]

  cars are getting these additional inputs [TS]

  and computers that are very [TS]

  sophisticated that can process things [TS]

  with these inputs and do clever things [TS]

  with them i think that's where we're [TS]

  going to see major advantage major [TS]

  advances and safety and convenience and [TS]

  just cool stuff because you know [TS]

  software can be used their two great [TS]

  benefit without losing much you know [TS]

  like what if [TS]

  forward looking camera what if if you [TS]

  had an accident it's saved the last 20 [TS]

  seconds or whatever was just happening [TS]

  for you so you could look at it on video [TS]

  like what everybody doesn't Russians [TS]

  that because of widespread insurance [TS]

  fraud right like like there's all sorts [TS]

  of love tech solution [TS]

  yeah I've been actually amazed at how [TS]

  quickly that stuff is going because i'm [TS]

  always thinking about because it is such [TS]

  a little society i'm always thinking [TS]

  about okay well they'll do that but they [TS]

  won't do this because they'll just get [TS]

  sued but I'm you know you mentioned all [TS]

  those things like Lane Departure the the [TS]

  laser ratio radar cruise control laser [TS]

  cruise control now augmented with [TS]

  cameras Volvo's got a car that will come [TS]

  to a complete stop to prevent you from [TS]

  hitting a pedestrian like without you [TS]

  doing anything and then you know [TS]

  eventually solve traffic lights out into [TS]

  Google self-driving cars but you know [TS]

  Google self-driving cars fine i guess [TS]

  California that's google is limited [TS]

  whatever but all these things like the [TS]

  volvo things you're talking about a [TS]

  Mercedes and BMW you can buy cars [TS]

  without stuck now and that's just like [TS]

  that's not those are little things like [TS]

  they will I think the volvo will [TS]

  actually steer for you too because they [TS]

  have electrical power steering and like [TS]

  your steering wheel is no longer [TS]

  connected you know to the wheels and so [TS]

  they can you know that they'll apply the [TS]

  brakes they will turn they will spring [TS]

  the card to a complete stop [TS]

  that's you know about things that affect [TS]

  safety the computer literally has [TS]

  control of the car right and I know how [TS]

  the you know million fail-safes and and [TS]

  you know something i don't like their [TS]

  fearless leap allowing for with features [TS]

  that seemed much more dangerous to me [TS]

  then you know something as simple as [TS]

  always the gauge cluster that might be a [TS]

  slightly less reliable or whatever so [TS]

  maybe the scuffle advanced more quickly [TS]

  than I think but like I said they were [TS]

  you know they were doing these things [TS]

  with the no automatic distance following [TS]

  thing with relatively primitive [TS]

  technology that Mercedes for systemic [TS]

  forget therefore systems laser radar but [TS]

  these Raiders primitive it was like cold [TS]

  war are you know silliness right [TS]

  no cameras no anything like that and [TS]

  like they did it and they pulled it off [TS]

  and I'm sure was credit whatever but now [TS]

  that they're on there like six [TS]

  generation of that in their high-end to [TS]

  be fairly still use radar [TS]

  well yeah I'm sure they have cameras out [TS]

  the wazoo and those things today it may [TS]

  still may still be radar but i'm sure it [TS]

  is supposed to be a much more [TS]

  sophisticated like what you want to see [TS]

  I've always wanted this in the car [TS]

  you put a lot of video games you know [TS]

  this driving in a video game when you're [TS]

  outside the car like a third person [TS]

  camera floating above behind the car [TS]

  it's so much easier to do things because [TS]

  you have liked more situational [TS]

  awareness you know if you're racing game [TS]

  you know the guys like behind the left [TS]

  going to speed like you you can see [TS]

  everything around you when you're [TS]

  driving in the car it's much harder to [TS]

  have good situational awareness about [TS]

  where the other cars are where obstacles [TS]

  are what their velocities are relative [TS]

  to you right [TS]

  so if you could have a display on the [TS]

  screen that would show you in no [TS]

  uncertain terms that there was like a [TS]

  you know a car coming up in the lane to [TS]

  your left going you know twice your [TS]

  speed and you were thinking about [TS]

  changing into that Lane you know the [TS]

  computer can warn you that it's here you [TS]

  can see that it's there or even just [TS]

  some sort of red light that comes on out [TS]

  of your peripheral vision you know maybe [TS]

  don't change that way now because you're [TS]

  getting at rear ended at 80 miles an [TS]

  hour by this crazy probably have that [TS]

  now it's and it's very very popular and [TS]

  it's and it actually does i think save a [TS]

  lot of accidents [TS]

  yeah I know but instead like that that [TS]

  type of stuff is that the things you can [TS]

  do that with with screens and software [TS]

  that you just could not do with any sort [TS]

  of physical equivalent type thing and [TS]

  you know I if the parallel parking [TS]

  things [TS]

  yeah that's it would guess that this [TS]

  leads to self-driving cars like well it [TS]

  is flexible parallel park itself for you [TS]

  isn't that great but you know that mean [TS]

  no one's ever gonna learn to parallel [TS]

  park again but then you can argue that [TS]

  no one has no knows how to do that now [TS]

  anyway so it'll be a blessing [TS]

  yeah i just think we have to look [TS]

  forward to a world of a bunch of [TS]

  Alexis's driving the way lettuce was [TS]

  programmed to drive that will be bill [TS]

  still be an improvement [TS]

  I still say that these computers will [TS]

  drive minute on the average human driver [TS]

  i want to tear only possible exception [TS]

  of I was thinking the other day about [TS]

  on-ramp emerging algorithms if I was the [TS]

  programmer what kind of algorithm that [TS]

  you put in to get a car to merge onto a [TS]

  highway and not be annoying [TS]

  I think that's probably the greatest [TS]

  challenge now that most a lot of people [TS]

  are going to but computers like yeah [TS]

  they're not that's going to be one of [TS]

  the harder things to work on and you're [TS]

  always going to have that one guy who's [TS]

  in some like ancient buick who goes up [TS]

  the ramp at 30 miles an hour and goes to [TS]

  the very very end of the entrance lane [TS]

  and just sways himself in there just as [TS]

  the lane ends uses the lane working like [TS]

  a funnel is do whatever is there well [TS]

  well better than the BMW driver that pet [TS]

  that passes that marker and then goes on [TS]

  the shoulder because he or she is more [TS]

  important than anyone else on the road [TS]

  then they get a flat tire from the [TS]

  debris on the shoulder that's how that [TS]

  works [TS]

  test out those run-flats hey that's a [TS]

  good one and I said yeah I think we're [TS]

  good [TS]