4: If You See A Cursor, They Blew It


00:00:00   actually I got my own off-topic story [TS]

00:00:03   that I I'd like to share that I don't [TS]

00:00:04   think we'll be part of the show [TS]

00:00:06   sure I had a meeting today with some [TS]

00:00:08   local apple reps they were going to go [TS]

00:00:10   through and and bless or curse this ipad [TS]

00:00:13   app I'm gonna be writing for our client [TS]

00:00:15   and so there were three of them and I [TS]

00:00:18   meet the first one hi I'm Casey listen I [TS]

00:00:20   am case it's the third one says await [TS]

00:00:22   your kc list your that Casey list [TS]

00:00:26   yeah oh man listen to your show for like [TS]

00:00:29   a few weeks now it's really good you [TS]

00:00:31   know Marco and John I was like holy shit [TS]

00:00:35   this is happening to me now this is the [TS]

00:00:38   i'm so used to being around you two [TS]

00:00:39   idiots where everyone out of the [TS]

00:00:41   outcomes out of the woodwork WBC is like [TS]

00:00:43   wait wait wait you're Marco or you await [TS]

00:00:46   your John that John and so then it [TS]

00:00:49   happened to me and it was really [TS]

00:00:51   freaking weird i don't know how you guys [TS]

00:00:53   do it because I was like kind of creeped [TS]

00:00:55   out but also really appreciative [TS]

00:00:57   engineer was it was weird it was weird [TS]

00:01:00   and see now at WCC this year people [TS]

00:01:03   going to be coming up to you and showing [TS]

00:01:05   their support for the white car subaru [TS]

00:01:07   cause fully hopefully seeing here every [TS]

00:01:12   story from everybody who's ever had a [TS]

00:01:14   Subaru telling you how great it was and [TS]

00:01:16   how wrong john and i are for not caring [TS]

00:01:18   for them that much such goals nobody [TS]

00:01:20   likes them anyway [TS]

00:01:21   exactly ok don't include this in the [TS]

00:01:24   show we do have some follow-up right [TS]

00:01:27   yeah we have a little teeny bit of [TS]

00:01:29   follow-up but if you'd like to start the [TS]

00:01:31   follow-up that's fine i got a really [TS]

00:01:33   great one actually a while ago [TS]

00:01:36   well you know relatively speaking from [TS]

00:01:38   Alexander hoffman and you know we were [TS]

00:01:41   talking in episode 2 about car costs and [TS]

00:01:45   affording cars and and you know a nice [TS]

00:01:48   sports car might be twice as much per [TS]

00:01:50   month as a more average pedestrian car [TS]

00:01:53   so he said I know that many people will [TS]

00:01:57   say that if it costs twice as much it [TS]

00:01:59   had better be twice as good [TS]

00:02:00   that's a fallacy in fact that original [TS]

00:02:03   amount for example 250 maybe a steel [TS]

00:02:05   providing far more value than the cost [TS]

00:02:07   the second half does not need to match [TS]

00:02:10   that value proposition to be rational [TS]

00:02:11   and or reasonable [TS]

00:02:13   it doesn't need to be the same steel in [TS]

00:02:15   order to still be worthy look at the [TS]

00:02:17   example of jeans the first fifty dollars [TS]

00:02:19   to most people definitely provides more [TS]

00:02:21   value than the next fifty dollars but a [TS]

00:02:23   better fit and being more stylish is [TS]

00:02:25   imaginably worth fifty dollars even if [TS]

00:02:28   not to you [TS]

00:02:29   no need to claim that hundred-dollar [TS]

00:02:30   genes are twice as good [TS]

00:02:32   they just need to see that the next [TS]

00:02:33   fifty dollars actually buy something [TS]

00:02:35   worth at least fifty dollars to you [TS]

00:02:37   same for the next 250 for the car so i [TS]

00:02:41   think it's interesting I mean he was [TS]

00:02:42   right like you know a five hundred [TS]

00:02:44   dollar-a-month car doesn't have to be [TS]

00:02:45   twice as good as a tunafish [TS]

00:02:47   dollar-a-month car it has to provide two [TS]

00:02:50   hundred fifty dollars a month worth of [TS]

00:02:51   value to you [TS]

00:02:53   yeah with put two interesting dollars [TS]

00:02:54   worth of value is twice the amount i [TS]

00:02:58   mean just semantics really like if it [TS]

00:03:00   costs if it costs a certain amount and [TS]

00:03:02   then you add that same amount you you [TS]

00:03:04   know yes it has to be worth the [TS]

00:03:05   additional amount but that's also [TS]

00:03:06   doubling because it happens to be you [TS]

00:03:09   know twice the previous number it's a [TS]

00:03:11   different way of looking at it I suppose [TS]

00:03:12   because double sounds like maybe [TS]

00:03:15   different light I think it's just some [TS]

00:03:16   antics isn't that's kinda how I look at [TS]

00:03:18   it and I mean to get to build on that if [TS]

00:03:22   you consider that the 0 to 250 dollars a [TS]

00:03:25   month got you all the way from your doc [TS]

00:03:27   martens to something that will drive you [TS]

00:03:30   down the road [TS]

00:03:31   I mean what is the next 250 gonna do [TS]

00:03:33   that even puts it on par with being that [TS]

00:03:36   much better than your sneakers does that [TS]

00:03:37   make sense well as it is it's an upgrade [TS]

00:03:39   its it's you know what he's saying is [TS]

00:03:40   like it doesn't you know to be worth it [TS]

00:03:43   to somebody it doesn't have to be twice [TS]

00:03:45   as good as the base price it just has to [TS]

00:03:48   provide that interval worth of value to [TS]

00:03:50   you so I so you know for me it's like I [TS]

00:03:55   have to have a car anyway you know I [TS]

00:03:57   just I need a car for my lifestyle and [TS]

00:03:59   what I do well if so I need a car so the [TS]

00:04:03   cost of the car is kind of like [TS]

00:04:04   non-negotiable right i have to have a [TS]

00:04:07   car and so I could have a basic car for [TS]

00:04:11   me 300 bucks a month that would fit my [TS]

00:04:13   family and not be horrible and [TS]

00:04:15   everything so after then say alright is [TS]

00:04:18   it worth an extra 250 a month to rather [TS]

00:04:23   than having that car to have this [TS]

00:04:25   awesome car [TS]

00:04:26   so is it worth 250 a month . like what [TS]

00:04:29   I'm paying for the base car is less [TS]

00:04:31   relevant because i have to have that [TS]

00:04:32   anyway I'm not saying you know this has [TS]

00:04:35   to be twice as good as like to meet like [TS]

00:04:37   that that's kind of already a sunk cost [TS]

00:04:38   like I have to have a car . is it worth [TS]

00:04:41   250 more month for me to have this nice [TS]

00:04:43   car but you can extrapolate that even [TS]

00:04:45   further and say well whatever you think [TS]

00:04:47   is the bare minimum doesn't have to be [TS]

00:04:49   turning fifty dollars a month you know [TS]

00:04:51   the bare minimum to use a silly example [TS]

00:04:53   the bare minimum 335 new is God knows [TS]

00:04:56   you know several hundred dollars a month [TS]

00:04:57   but with 700 is something like that but [TS]

00:05:00   a bare minimum civic or you go if they [TS]

00:05:04   were still new I mean you could you [TS]

00:05:05   could you could buy you go for the [TS]

00:05:07   twenty-dollar bill for god sakes so then [TS]

00:05:09   but yeah how much would you have to put [TS]

00:05:11   into it to keep it running but that's a [TS]

00:05:13   fair point [TS]

00:05:13   i mean i-i guess I I see both sides of [TS]

00:05:15   this argument I tend to agree more with [TS]

00:05:17   John that this is kind of a semantic [TS]

00:05:18   thing but you're right that if you [TS]

00:05:21   consider the first XP that 250 or [TS]

00:05:24   whatever to be a given then at that [TS]

00:05:26   point it's just a matter of what do you [TS]

00:05:27   think it does the remainder actually [TS]

00:05:30   provide that much value to you and [TS]

00:05:31   obviously what provides value to me may [TS]

00:05:33   not provide value to you for example a [TS]

00:05:36   brand-new Jeep Wrangler maybe a lot more [TS]

00:05:39   expensive than the baseline civic or [TS]

00:05:41   whatever and if i go off-road a lot [TS]

00:05:44   that's important but that's not who I am [TS]

00:05:47   and I don't give a crap about that stuff [TS]

00:05:48   so instead i bought a 335 which goes [TS]

00:05:51   quickly and handles well in his cushy [TS]

00:05:53   and things of that nature says white and [TS]

00:05:56   is white which is a perfect segue to [TS]

00:05:58   some of my follow-up Marco thank you i [TS]

00:06:01   don't have any one particular name [TS]

00:06:03   because I got several pieces of feedback [TS]

00:06:05   about this and actually after episode 2 [TS]

00:06:08   came out which is a little weird but [TS]

00:06:10   several people said to me or us really [TS]

00:06:13   hey one of the reasons that people buy [TS]

00:06:14   white cars is because if you live in SE [TS]

00:06:17   the southwest or in Florida or somewhere [TS]

00:06:19   like there where the Sun beats down in [TS]

00:06:21   bakes your car for hours on end having a [TS]

00:06:25   white car is the difference between [TS]

00:06:26   getting out of that car drenched in [TS]

00:06:28   sweat or getting at with as it would be [TS]

00:06:30   in a black car or getting out of that [TS]

00:06:31   car [TS]

00:06:32   moderately comfortable if you have a [TS]

00:06:34   white car to be fair that is not at all [TS]

00:06:36   why I bought any of my white cars but [TS]

00:06:38   that is a somewhat valid argument [TS]

00:06:40   is it really i mean like i know it makes [TS]

00:06:42   some difference obviously that you know [TS]

00:06:44   what whether the cars body panels are [TS]

00:06:46   very hot or simply hot while it's like [TS]

00:06:50   sitting around in the Sun but doesn't a [TS]

00:06:52   lot of the heat in the interior of car [TS]

00:06:53   come from the light being living through [TS]

00:06:56   the windows and understand the roof the [TS]

00:06:58   roof is a factor too because you are [TS]

00:07:00   like if the roof is absorbing vs [TS]

00:07:02   reflecting but I said like the colors of [TS]

00:07:04   the Interior are more about that so if [TS]

00:07:06   you're black seats versus having white [TS]

00:07:09   seats that will probably make more of a [TS]

00:07:11   difference for your comfort because [TS]

00:07:12   you're touching the seat versus just [TS]

00:07:14   having a white roof and that's [TS]

00:07:15   reflecting the you know more of the [TS]

00:07:17   lights energy sunlight energy from the [TS]

00:07:20   top you know instead of a black one but [TS]

00:07:22   like I don't really care how hot the [TS]

00:07:24   hood gets you know you wouldn't think [TS]

00:07:26   that's going to affect the interior [TS]

00:07:28   temperature as much for the trunk later [TS]

00:07:29   whatever it's really maybe the door [TS]

00:07:31   panels but people who were the case the [TS]

00:07:34   right people who sent an email they were [TS]

00:07:37   all from hot climates and they all said [TS]

00:07:38   oh you gotta buy white now I don't know [TS]

00:07:40   it actually tested this but presumably [TS]

00:07:41   they lived there and they believe it [TS]

00:07:44   whether it's a real thing or not it's [TS]

00:07:46   kind of like those are coffee [TS]

00:07:47   Julie things you should get someone down [TS]

00:07:49   there to get two identical cars but [TS]

00:07:52   preferably with the same color interior [TS]

00:07:53   but one white one black that's gonna be [TS]

00:07:55   hard itself is usually give you [TS]

00:07:56   different interiors of those very [TS]

00:07:58   different exterior colors and you know [TS]

00:07:59   do some actual test with them in the [TS]

00:08:01   sunlight see how goes it whoo-hoo we [TS]

00:08:03   going to get to go to Florida sorry but [TS]

00:08:05   a place in the sun belt [TS]

00:08:08   nobody wants to go to Florida with [TS]

00:08:09   someone that someone on this podcast has [TS]

00:08:11   relatives who live in arizona I'm sure [TS]

00:08:12   actually we're gonna bring cars there [TS]

00:08:16   ok ground up by two cars right one white [TS]

00:08:19   one black same color is really what what [TS]

00:08:21   what is when i was last in Arizona I [TS]

00:08:23   rented that this by the way I hate this [TS]

00:08:26   so much whenever I have to travel [TS]

00:08:28   somewhere and rent a car I always try to [TS]

00:08:31   get something reasonably fun and so you [TS]

00:08:35   go to like Enterprise our budget or hurt [TS]

00:08:36   or whatever and they always have like [TS]

00:08:38   the premium sedan category that's [TS]

00:08:41   usually what i opted for because it [TS]

00:08:42   always says nissan maxima $YEAR chevy [TS]

00:08:46   impala or similar to describe this [TS]

00:08:48   category and the first time I've rented [TS]

00:08:51   a car of this category [TS]

00:08:53   they gave me a mini and I was like it [TS]

00:08:57   was for Christmas trip you're taking [TS]

00:08:59   upstate from Brooklyn and I was like I [TS]

00:09:01   don't this isn't really going to work [TS]

00:09:03   well this is our premium sedan [TS]

00:09:05   ok well the stuff i'm bringing won't fit [TS]

00:09:08   in a mini this is nothing like a maxima [TS]

00:09:11   or impala it's not not even close [TS]

00:09:13   just because it costs a little more they [TS]

00:09:14   call it a premium sedan so we can do a [TS]

00:09:17   lot of money but I i had I convinced [TS]

00:09:20   them to give me anything else they had [TS]

00:09:22   and the only thing they had was a giant [TS]

00:09:23   white SUV which I had to drive that for [TS]

00:09:26   a week which is terrible but so when I [TS]

00:09:29   went to Arizona the premium sedan there [TS]

00:09:33   so hoping for a maximum no get out there [TS]

00:09:35   it's a black avalon the Avalon is it [TS]

00:09:41   surprisingly unfun but it was actually [TS]

00:09:44   really nice car like I throughout the [TS]

00:09:46   week I you were surprised by an avalon [TS]

00:09:49   not being fun [TS]

00:09:50   yeah i was going to jump on that you and [TS]

00:09:52   I thought I'd just be quiet i have one [TS]

00:09:54   is the Japanese all persons car they [TS]

00:09:56   said what do old American people in [TS]

00:09:59   America like to drive those big body [TS]

00:10:00   cars with a bench front seat we can make [TS]

00:10:02   one of those cameras said alright yeah I [TS]

00:10:05   was more surprised because it was [TS]

00:10:06   actually like I didn't mind driving it [TS]

00:10:08   relatively low relative to the rest of [TS]

00:10:10   arizona arizona is a weird place to [TS]

00:10:12   begin with like one of the well so I [TS]

00:10:15   don't mind driving it but it's actually [TS]

00:10:16   pretty fast car just was not fun at all [TS]

00:10:19   had no feeling but I guess I wish that [TS]

00:10:22   rental agencies would rent you specific [TS]

00:10:25   models like that's one of the reasons [TS]

00:10:26   why i like Zipcar so much because you [TS]

00:10:29   you pick the exact model of car that you [TS]

00:10:31   want even you even pick the color i mean [TS]

00:10:33   like you pick exactly the one vehicle [TS]

00:10:35   that you are renting and so you know in [TS]

00:10:38   advance what you're getting into [TS]

00:10:40   you can you have some control over that [TS]

00:10:41   you and you can see what's available in [TS]

00:10:43   like different car garages and parking [TS]

00:10:44   spots where with rentals they always [TS]

00:10:47   have those those crappy categories and [TS]

00:10:50   you never get what you want have you [TS]

00:10:52   have you ever rented a car and gotten [TS]

00:10:54   something that you were very happy with [TS]

00:10:55   I haven't I'm happy when it doesn't [TS]

00:10:59   smell that [TS]

00:11:01   I have low standards and please Lord [TS]

00:11:03   don't let it smells like someone's [TS]

00:11:04   smoking this car when they weren't [TS]

00:11:05   supposed to [TS]

00:11:06   don't let someone have left day you know [TS]

00:11:08   a cup of coffee or milk in the backseat [TS]

00:11:10   didn't have to bake in the Sun just [TS]

00:11:12   wanted to be clean I wanted to run it [TS]

00:11:15   I can get behind that all right do we [TS]

00:11:17   want a you want to pick a topic here is [TS]

00:11:20   that sounds kind of dirty all right [TS]

00:11:22   before you did that i had one piece of [TS]

00:11:24   follow-up please going to organize here [TS]

00:11:26   we talk about dual clutch for single [TS]

00:11:28   question I in typical fashion i did not [TS]

00:11:30   remember the details of which supercar [TS]

00:11:32   maker was sticking with single [TS]

00:11:33   collectors dual-clutch I'm just talking [TS]

00:11:36   about how do you know the deal collected [TS]

00:11:38   the single largest more harsh you know [TS]

00:11:40   the dual-clutch but they don't care that [TS]

00:11:43   it's harsh if you make a supercar so [TS]

00:11:44   Robert Stewart wrote in to say that i [TS]

00:11:46   was saying that was because the same [TS]

00:11:47   questions faster and he said really [TS]

00:11:49   dual-clutch transmissions shift faster [TS]

00:11:51   provided you're going to the gear that [TS]

00:11:53   the computer thinks you're getting into [TS]

00:11:54   because they have that this the second [TS]

00:11:59   gear all ready to go and queued up for [TS]

00:12:01   you if you're shifting in a predictable [TS]

00:12:02   pattern and I think this was his email [TS]

00:12:05   looking forward in the text here while [TS]

00:12:06   reading it but was it and also talking [TS]

00:12:08   about how single clutch has the [TS]

00:12:10   advantage of being predictable doesn't [TS]

00:12:13   matter what gear shift into our when or [TS]

00:12:15   what any computer thinks you're going to [TS]

00:12:16   do the ship's always take the same [TS]

00:12:18   amount of time versus a dual-clutch [TS]

00:12:20   where if the transmission doesn't know [TS]

00:12:21   didn't expect you to downshift to that [TS]

00:12:23   moment is going to take longer than a [TS]

00:12:24   single clutch because it wasn't ready [TS]

00:12:26   with the gear pre-selected in the little [TS]

00:12:28   second gear box nothing was that a [TS]

00:12:29   single clutch single clutch has more [TS]

00:12:32   surface area on the on the the clutch [TS]

00:12:34   plates so can handle more torque so it's [TS]

00:12:36   easier to get one to handle a lot of [TS]

00:12:38   power though then he says the same email [TS]

00:12:39   that Lamborghini apparently has high [TS]

00:12:41   torque dual-clutch transmissions in its [TS]

00:12:43   car so it might just be a matter of [TS]

00:12:45   whether like Ferrari has developed that [TS]

00:12:49   or not remember he asked my name is an [TS]

00:12:51   electric dual-clutch not as clear-cut as [TS]

00:12:53   it was made to be in the last episode [TS]

00:12:54   and actually building on that you had [TS]

00:12:57   talked about well who is it that has [TS]

00:12:59   single clutch gear boxes to this day and [TS]

00:13:02   by way of the first episode of top gear [TS]

00:13:05   i was reminded that the pagani huayra [TS]

00:13:08   has a single clutch automated manual and [TS]

00:13:11   actually i glanced at Wikipedia right [TS]

00:13:13   beforehand [TS]

00:13:14   and right before we recorded and it says [TS]

00:13:16   the choice not to use a dual-clutch in [TS]

00:13:18   oil bath was because it would lead to an [TS]

00:13:19   increase in weight of over 70 kilograms [TS]

00:13:22   450 pounds negating the advantage of the [TS]

00:13:25   ability of smooth of such transmissions [TS]

00:13:27   to change gears faster as a result the [TS]

00:13:29   entire transmission of the color of the [TS]

00:13:31   pagani huayra weighs ninety six kilos or [TS]

00:13:34   210 pounds you know they said that on [TS]

00:13:37   the episode as well that we have some [TS]

00:13:38   demand weight savings was the reason i [TS]

00:13:39   did it i don't want to spoil that [TS]

00:13:42   episode but it was a good home yeah [TS]

00:13:43   don't think that car cities i think i [TS]

00:13:47   think it became less hideous with this [TS]

00:13:48   update i think we got worse [TS]

00:13:52   you know I'd never looker i'm actually [TS]

00:13:54   not that big of a fan of the mid-engined [TS]

00:13:56   proportions like I like the way the way [TS]

00:13:58   you have the that the space from the [TS]

00:14:01   drivers back of their head to the back [TS]

00:14:04   of the car you have that so much longer [TS]

00:14:05   usually then from the driver's head to [TS]

00:14:08   the front of the car i kinda don't like [TS]

00:14:10   those reports you know searches you [TS]

00:14:12   you've mentioned in past shows how that [TS]

00:14:13   looks exotic and people like that i [TS]

00:14:16   don't really i mean maybe just is now [TS]

00:14:17   that's weird two weeks I hardly ever see [TS]

00:14:19   it but I don't think it looks better [TS]

00:14:21   from the outside from the inside from [TS]

00:14:24   the outside now i like it i mean it [TS]

00:14:26   depends on the car certainly don't like [TS]

00:14:27   it on the Huayra but i like i like most [TS]

00:14:30   other Mortal I like those proportions [TS]

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00:15:26   I'd so this might be a multi-part [TS]

00:15:29   episode which I'm sure is making both [TS]

00:15:31   you rumbles are already i wanted to talk [TS]

00:15:34   about a specific portion of tech in cars [TS]

00:15:37   and specifically i wanted to talk about [TS]

00:15:40   why i think the eye dr and equivalents [TS]

00:15:43   are significantly better than a [TS]

00:15:45   touchscreen so let me start by asking [TS]

00:15:47   John does your dad's 328 have navigation [TS]

00:15:50   an eye dr or not so much now it predates [TS]

00:15:53   that I believe okay now have you played [TS]

00:15:56   over what year is yours 2009-11 11 yeah [TS]

00:16:01   i think is like eight or nine or [TS]

00:16:03   something but now i have not played with [TS]

00:16:04   an eye dr I've only have only read about [TS]

00:16:06   it and seen pictures I've never actually [TS]

00:16:07   used it [TS]

00:16:08   I've seen videos of it being used but [TS]

00:16:09   I've never actually tried to use it [TS]

00:16:10   myself [TS]

00:16:11   alright so for all I know this may end [TS]

00:16:13   up being a 30 second topic but the [TS]

00:16:15   reason I wanted the reason I wanted to [TS]

00:16:18   bring it up was because when i bought [TS]

00:16:21   the 335i had expected to hate the eye dr [TS]

00:16:25   again like I've covered many times it [TS]

00:16:28   just so happened to be the right card [TS]

00:16:29   the right contrite the right time and so [TS]

00:16:31   I got it with the eye dr thinking well [TS]

00:16:33   you know can't hurt and a lot of the [TS]

00:16:35   reviews i read which as it turns out [TS]

00:16:36   were from a prior edition version of the [TS]

00:16:39   eye dr a lot of the reviews I read said [TS]

00:16:42   it was a piece of garbage and I went [TS]

00:16:43   into it kind of expecting it to be a [TS]

00:16:46   piece of garbage and what I've found is [TS]

00:16:48   that I actually really really like it [TS]

00:16:51   and I think part of the reason I like it [TS]

00:16:53   is because i like having that tactical [TS]

00:16:56   intangible mechanism to manipulate [TS]

00:17:00   what's on the screen rather than having [TS]

00:17:02   to reach my arm out and try to touch the [TS]

00:17:05   dashboard and this becomes doubly [TS]

00:17:07   important if you happen to be going down [TS]

00:17:09   the road and you're bouncing because you [TS]

00:17:12   know roads are not perfectly flat and so [TS]

00:17:14   I meant to look up the physics term [TS]

00:17:16   behind what this is but i guess like the [TS]

00:17:17   moment are more what I from butchering [TS]

00:17:19   this but whatever don't email me [TS]

00:17:20   whatever it is that causes the distance [TS]

00:17:24   that your finger travels to be [TS]

00:17:25   considerably longer or four are larger [TS]

00:17:28   than the distance your shoulder travels [TS]

00:17:29   that makes using a touchscreen when [TS]

00:17:32   you're in a car driving down the road [TS]

00:17:33   really really hard and what I love about [TS]

00:17:36   the eye dr is in case you're not [TS]

00:17:37   familiar with it [TS]

00:17:38   there's a circle that [TS]

00:17:40   that that's I don't know about the size [TS]

00:17:42   of a hockey puck Apple mice were and you [TS]

00:17:44   can spin that circle in order to move up [TS]

00:17:47   or down and then you can push that whole [TS]

00:17:50   circle down in order to say okay and [TS]

00:17:52   then additionally you can take that [TS]

00:17:54   whole circle and shift it left right or [TS]

00:17:56   up or down in order to do kind of [TS]

00:17:58   higher-level operations and so what's [TS]

00:18:01   really nice is you have this tactical [TS]

00:18:03   intangible feedback and it's at it's [TS]

00:18:05   right behind the gearshift so it's right [TS]

00:18:07   where you want it to be and we could [TS]

00:18:10   talk about the software here in a second [TS]

00:18:11   but i just think that it struck me after [TS]

00:18:13   using it for a month or two that this [TS]

00:18:15   was so much a better approach than [TS]

00:18:18   having to reach out and touch a touch [TS]

00:18:20   screen no matter if it's iphone like [TS]

00:18:23   with swipes and pinches and zooms no [TS]

00:18:25   matter if it's a 75 inch touchscreen [TS]

00:18:27   like some of the new American cars have [TS]

00:18:29   or if it's a little tiny touch screen it [TS]

00:18:31   just seemed better to me and then I [TS]

00:18:33   don't know Marco if you have experience [TS]

00:18:36   like I don't remember if tips car has [TS]

00:18:38   never not injure another not it and [TS]

00:18:40   whether or not it's a touchscreen [TS]

00:18:41   someone . for you to come looking for [TS]

00:18:44   you to tell me either on knots or that [TS]

00:18:45   I'm right [TS]

00:18:46   so I I think I'm sure John would [TS]

00:18:49   disagree with me [TS]

00:18:50   I think you're a hundred percent right [TS]

00:18:51   on everything you've said so far on that [TS]

00:18:54   topic at least still not crazy about the [TS]

00:18:55   white supers but you know I so so my I [TS]

00:18:59   currently because because I've had a [TS]

00:19:02   quarter life crisis I I currently own [TS]

00:19:05   three vehicles and in our household we [TS]

00:19:08   have we have my 328 we have tips is 250 [TS]

00:19:11   and i have a1 m and that's a sausage at [TS]

00:19:15   a whole separate topic right there of of [TS]

00:19:18   the benefits and drawbacks of having [TS]

00:19:20   multiple cars per person but so might we [TS]

00:19:26   create doesn't have either that the 1m [TS]

00:19:27   does and tiffs is250 has the lexus [TS]

00:19:33   touchscreen system and then recently I [TS]

00:19:36   spent some time in my father-in-law's [TS]

00:19:38   new lexus rx350 one of the RX as the the [TS]

00:19:44   biggest movies and and that has a new [TS]

00:19:48   system which is interesting so i drive a [TS]

00:19:52   BMW is [TS]

00:19:53   you described a little kind of like ipod [TS]

00:19:56   like wheel next to the gearshift and [TS]

00:20:00   that works pretty well you know there is [TS]

00:20:03   limited in like things like entering [TS]

00:20:06   text where you have to like you like to [TS]

00:20:08   move it [TS]

00:20:09   it's almost like picking a number from a [TS]

00:20:11   rotary phone dial you like to type in [TS]

00:20:14   text just like turn the wheel around the [TS]

00:20:16   circle and the points to a letter then [TS]

00:20:17   you pick up by pushing in so that's kind [TS]

00:20:19   of that kind of sucks [TS]

00:20:21   other than that though I find I Drive [TS]

00:20:25   very good because it's very it's very [TS]

00:20:26   responsive you know when you move that [TS]

00:20:28   wheel the selection you have on screen [TS]

00:20:31   it's a very ipod like interface where [TS]

00:20:32   you have you know depths of menus the [TS]

00:20:35   selection you have on screen changes [TS]

00:20:37   instantly even if the thing that it's [TS]

00:20:39   changing has to load something you get [TS]

00:20:41   that instant immediate user interface [TS]

00:20:43   feedback that that you know your input [TS]

00:20:46   was recognized and the wheel itself also [TS]

00:20:49   has notches [TS]

00:20:50   so when you're turning it you know I [TS]

00:20:52   turned two notches going to go two spots [TS]

00:20:54   and sure enough on screen it does so [TS]

00:20:56   that's all this feedback in a system [TS]

00:20:58   that lets you know that you're in [TS]

00:20:59   control and then it's responding to you [TS]

00:21:01   is very very important especially since [TS]

00:21:04   you didn't do not just actually were [TS]

00:21:06   very good . that I didn't even consider [TS]

00:21:07   so this way you can glance at the screen [TS]

00:21:10   know that you're trying to go two [TS]

00:21:11   notches down and look away from the [TS]

00:21:13   screen slide down two notches and commit [TS]

00:21:16   and no just like you were saying know [TS]

00:21:17   exactly where you are exactly and so so [TS]

00:21:20   for tips is 250 it has the lexus [TS]

00:21:23   touchscreen thing and not the current [TS]

00:21:25   generation the one from from a [TS]

00:21:27   year-and-a-half ago that two years ago [TS]

00:21:28   whatever that was and lexus always says [TS]

00:21:33   as a result of me always go into car [TS]

00:21:36   dealers as much as I can with my family [TS]

00:21:37   members and teach parents having had a [TS]

00:21:39   lot of Alexis's over the last 20 years [TS]

00:21:41   or so and and tiff now having 1 i've [TS]

00:21:44   been to a lot of lexus dealers and I've [TS]

00:21:46   been to a few a lot of times and they [TS]

00:21:50   always are bragging about how their [TS]

00:21:51   system is got is getting faster and oh [TS]

00:21:54   this new one is way faster than the old [TS]

00:21:55   one I have yet to find one that i would [TS]

00:21:58   consider fast it's kinda like how [TS]

00:22:00   desktop linux is always getting better [TS]

00:22:01   but it's never good [TS]

00:22:03   you know it like it [TS]

00:22:04   insert android joke here also you know [TS]

00:22:08   it's it's always on that it's always [TS]

00:22:11   getting better but you try to use it [TS]

00:22:13   like oh my god this is terrible so the [TS]

00:22:15   main problem with with tips touch screen [TS]

00:22:17   is that it's just so ridiculously slow [TS]

00:22:19   to respond to everything and it also [TS]

00:22:22   does not in queue actions that you touch [TS]

00:22:26   on there so if you are typing in the [TS]

00:22:29   name of a street if you type more than [TS]

00:22:32   about one letter per second then it will [TS]

00:22:36   drop the excess ones it will just ignore [TS]

00:22:38   them as if you didn't type them which is [TS]

00:22:41   not only very frustrating but it's also [TS]

00:22:44   a recipe for lots of errors because [TS]

00:22:46   you'll type in say three letters the [TS]

00:22:48   middle one will have been ignored and [TS]

00:22:49   now you have to backspace the second the [TS]

00:22:50   third one that's not the second one is [TS]

00:22:52   misspelling the street and I don't know [TS]

00:22:55   I don't know why they think is [TS]

00:22:56   acceptable it is so infuriating to try [TS]

00:22:58   to use it to just do a basic things like [TS]

00:23:01   typing in a dress that actually BMW [TS]

00:23:03   stupid spinning around the wheel system [TS]

00:23:05   to type in a word might actually be [TS]

00:23:06   faster most of the time because alexis [TS]

00:23:08   is just so incredibly slow to respond [TS]

00:23:11   and so that that's the old system the [TS]

00:23:14   new system now that my father-in-law's [TS]

00:23:16   new SUV has in the RX 350 they've [TS]

00:23:21   actually now moved towards kind of a [TS]

00:23:23   hybrid that the the hybrid . between [TS]

00:23:25   BMWs iDrive and things like that like I [TS]

00:23:29   know how he has something very similar [TS]

00:23:31   to eye dr where they have like a little [TS]

00:23:33   controller near the near the [TS]

00:23:34   transmission stick and a few buttons [TS]

00:23:36   around it and they have that he also has [TS]

00:23:38   a weird handwriting recognition thing [TS]

00:23:40   it's kinda like the like the the writing [TS]

00:23:43   area on a palm pilot where there's like [TS]

00:23:45   a little square next to their next to a [TS]

00:23:48   digital controller you can you can [TS]

00:23:50   handwrite individual letters one at a [TS]

00:23:52   time and it will attempt to recognize my [TS]

00:23:54   i try to a dealership and it I couldn't [TS]

00:23:57   type in my own street name i could write [TS]

00:23:58   it in i tried their speech recognition [TS]

00:24:00   didn't recognize that I mean I'm not the [TS]

00:24:02   best speaker in the world but you know [TS]

00:24:04   syria has no problems with it and so [TS]

00:24:06   anyway out is at his speech that was [TS]

00:24:08   terrible [TS]

00:24:09   anyway so the new Lexus system keeps the [TS]

00:24:13   entire interface from the touchscreen [TS]

00:24:15   system [TS]

00:24:16   it looks just like the touch screen [TS]

00:24:17   system on screen [TS]

00:24:18   but it's no longer a touch screen now [TS]

00:24:20   the screen is something in way deep far [TS]

00:24:24   away into the dash almost like almost by [TS]

00:24:26   the by the by the glass of the dashboard [TS]

00:24:28   it's something in a way deep and they [TS]

00:24:31   placed next to the next to the shifter [TS]

00:24:34   like this this kind of hockey puck like [TS]

00:24:38   d pad controller but it it behaves like [TS]

00:24:42   a track . on laptops little eraserhead [TS]

00:24:44   nipple things behave like that were you [TS]

00:24:46   like you push this little controller [TS]

00:24:49   around and it moves an on-screen mouse [TS]

00:24:51   pointer it seriously yeah and that and [TS]

00:24:54   you pick the buttons on screen by moving [TS]

00:24:57   this on-screen mouse pointer from the [TS]

00:24:59   stick down by your arm it and it this [TS]

00:25:03   this brings the worst of all systems [TS]

00:25:05   together into one it has and the [TS]

00:25:08   interface looks exactly the same they [TS]

00:25:09   really didn't seem to do any rethinking [TS]

00:25:11   of the interface as a result of this [TS]

00:25:12   massive differently massively different [TS]

00:25:14   new interface it's the same interface [TS]

00:25:17   that I've seen on every lexus and many [TS]

00:25:19   toyota's since then and it's just now [TS]

00:25:24   you have the mouse pointer and a little [TS]

00:25:26   mouse like thing that you have to use to [TS]

00:25:28   control it from the stick [TS]

00:25:30   I don't know what they were thinking [TS]

00:25:31   that sounds terrible [TS]

00:25:33   it really helps i'm waiting John Fritos [TS]

00:25:36   to level the two of us and drops a bomb [TS]

00:25:38   you know just because i haven't used the [TS]

00:25:41   eye dr a certain that certainly not [TS]

00:25:42   gonna stop me from having an opinion [TS]

00:25:43   about it [TS]

00:25:44   naturally it's so here uh if I had a [TS]

00:25:48   thing with I Drive the current version i [TS]

00:25:51   think my first complaint would probably [TS]

00:25:53   be because i have very long arms and [TS]

00:25:56   because the thing is set back behind the [TS]

00:25:58   shift lever i would probably complain [TS]

00:26:02   that i bump my elbow when I'm trying [TS]

00:26:03   like trying to reach back word for it [TS]

00:26:05   because it was my push my arm backwards [TS]

00:26:06   in my arm hit my the back of my tricep [TS]

00:26:09   hits the seatback can't go back any [TS]

00:26:11   farther I have that problem you know [TS]

00:26:12   we're trying to shift down into like [TS]

00:26:13   second or fourth or you know 636 little [TS]

00:26:16   bit farther out where shifters aren't [TS]

00:26:19   far enough forward for my long you know [TS]

00:26:21   forearm so when I shift backwards my [TS]

00:26:23   elbow bump so I would be a pain for me [TS]

00:26:25   to have to reach behind the shifter for [TS]

00:26:27   anything because I didn't shifting the [TS]

00:26:29   second sometimes I feel like I have to [TS]

00:26:31   do the last bit of the shift into second [TS]

00:26:33   with with my wrist because i can't bring [TS]

00:26:35   the arm back any farther you're not i [TS]

00:26:36   mean what can i say that he likes [TS]

00:26:37   real-time follow-up yeah [TS]

00:26:39   many of the new BMW models including the [TS]

00:26:41   new three and six series put the shifter [TS]

00:26:43   or put the idea of thing a little bit to [TS]

00:26:45   the right of the shifter not behind it [TS]

00:26:47   yeah that would be better for reaching [TS]

00:26:48   but so for I I likely i like the idea of [TS]

00:26:52   the little little you know notches we [TS]

00:26:54   can tell how many steps are going but [TS]

00:26:56   the main problem with all these systems [TS]

00:26:58   and i would agree that a thing with the [TS]

00:26:59   cursor is like you know we can quote [TS]

00:27:01   Steve Jobs you see the cursor they blew [TS]

00:27:02   it what they don't know what they're [TS]

00:27:04   thinking that's just it's bizarre [TS]

00:27:05   yeah that's it that's like when you go [TS]

00:27:07   to the ATM at the bank you see the [TS]

00:27:09   little white windows cursor on the [TS]

00:27:10   screen okay you know you know it's been [TS]

00:27:12   a bad day at the ATM or the OS to [TS]

00:27:15   wherever the hell number 184 unless two [TS]

00:27:17   of those were the days anyway the main [TS]

00:27:19   problem with all these things is that [TS]

00:27:21   they are trying to they're trying to do [TS]

00:27:23   kind of what Steve Jobs said you know [TS]

00:27:26   what they like [TS]

00:27:27   if you make a phone and we have to pick [TS]

00:27:30   what kind of buttons we have in the [TS]

00:27:32   front of it we can ever change that [TS]

00:27:33   until we ship another phone but if we [TS]

00:27:34   make it all screen and we can have any [TS]

00:27:35   kind of keep we want a special keyboard [TS]

00:27:37   for inputting you know domain names in [TS]

00:27:38   the.com button and typing things in [TS]

00:27:41   America keypad and all the subsoil you [TS]

00:27:42   know if we put a screen and we just have [TS]

00:27:43   some cool way to control that screen you [TS]

00:27:46   know sort of you know we can have some [TS]

00:27:49   weight if you control so you don't take [TS]

00:27:50   your eyes off the roads we got a little [TS]

00:27:51   notches you don't have a picker your arm [TS]

00:27:53   up like Casey was saying with the head [TS]

00:27:54   of touchscreen is harder to do that you [TS]

00:27:57   know the track . people obviously [TS]

00:27:58   weren't thinking of any of those things [TS]

00:27:59   but they just wanted to have a screen [TS]

00:28:00   because i think it's cool to have a [TS]

00:28:02   screen that the problem with all know is [TS]

00:28:04   that they all are worse for random [TS]

00:28:08   access like if i want to turn the fan [TS]

00:28:11   off or you know just the fan speed to [TS]

00:28:13   turn the fan off i can do that in my [TS]

00:28:16   crappy non screen bearing honda's [TS]

00:28:19   without looking every single time [TS]

00:28:21   because the fan knob is big [TS]

00:28:23   I know exactly where it is in order to [TS]

00:28:24   look through twists all it off like to [TS]

00:28:26   feel it when it gets the end is the left [TS]

00:28:28   I could feel how far halfway is I can [TS]

00:28:30   feel how far fullest no matter how easy [TS]

00:28:32   it is to me to navigate some stupid menu [TS]

00:28:34   system on a screen [TS]

00:28:35   no matter how much I can kind of look at [TS]

00:28:37   the screen and turn the knob and [TS]

00:28:38   glassware whatever it's never going to [TS]

00:28:40   be faster than me reaching my hand out [TS]

00:28:41   for the knob that never ever moves that [TS]

00:28:43   only controls fan speed and twisting it [TS]

00:28:44   now [TS]

00:28:45   no these things also have always you [TS]

00:28:46   know you don't need to do that on the [TS]

00:28:47   screen I have there is a knob for fans [TS]

00:28:49   be there is a not for temperature we do [TS]

00:28:50   put physical buttons for the things but [TS]

00:28:52   I always question like what kind of [TS]

00:28:55   things am I going to be doing on the [TS]

00:28:56   screen aside from just looking at [TS]

00:28:58   obviously flight navigation or something [TS]

00:29:00   I think anything you do commonly should [TS]

00:29:03   have a physical control and there's very [TS]

00:29:05   little i would want to be on that screen [TS]

00:29:06   even things like turning traction [TS]

00:29:08   control on and off I'd rather have that [TS]

00:29:09   is a button on the dashboard because as [TS]

00:29:10   far as I'm concerned like it's a [TS]

00:29:12   dashboard we had some it's a literal [TS]

00:29:14   dashboard put the buttons on it you know [TS]

00:29:17   what I mean like it's like airplanes [TS]

00:29:18   what does he have a million buttons or [TS]

00:29:20   it's a car put you know put them on the [TS]

00:29:22   steering wheel put them where they're [TS]

00:29:23   easy to reach that's the ergonomics of [TS]

00:29:25   car interior design [TS]

00:29:26   I want every single control even the [TS]

00:29:28   obscure ones like cruise control [TS]

00:29:29   traction control stability control [TS]

00:29:30   sports setting or the little the little [TS]

00:29:33   switch on the Ferrari steering wheel to [TS]

00:29:35   go for the different settings like [TS]

00:29:37   there's a place for those switches just [TS]

00:29:38   put them there they'll never move and [TS]

00:29:41   I'll be able to find more quickly [TS]

00:29:42   hopefully without looking and then I [TS]

00:29:44   want to screw with any cabinet face that [TS]

00:29:46   makes me move the cursor around the [TS]

00:29:48   screen or navigation menu or even touch [TS]

00:29:51   a touch screen and if you do that then [TS]

00:29:53   the screen can just be for display [TS]

00:29:54   purposes and also if you have to do [TS]

00:29:58   something particularly complicated it [TS]

00:29:59   can work like a big ipad or something [TS]

00:30:01   like going to stop trying to like a [TS]

00:30:02   video call with somebody or whatever you [TS]

00:30:04   know what I think it's all about a [TS]

00:30:06   balance here of balancing between fiscal [TS]

00:30:09   controls and these software based [TS]

00:30:11   systems that have menus and and [TS]

00:30:13   different formats and everything and and [TS]

00:30:15   different factors have made very [TS]

00:30:16   different decisions in this regard on [TS]

00:30:18   John I think you'd actually like BMW for [TS]

00:30:20   this because there are physical controls [TS]

00:30:23   for almost everything that you just [TS]

00:30:24   mentioned [TS]

00:30:25   no I'm looking at looking at the [TS]

00:30:26   interior of the car right now like with [TS]

00:30:27   that you know that they've gone back no [TS]

00:30:29   direction used to be like hey we can [TS]

00:30:30   just have a screen that's like now okay [TS]

00:30:32   well we'll have a screen but also [TS]

00:30:33   temperature and fan speed okay well [TS]

00:30:34   screen but also temperature fan speed [TS]

00:30:36   and cruise control audio screen but [TS]

00:30:38   temperature fancies cruise control radio [TS]

00:30:40   presets ok screen but like it's like you [TS]

00:30:41   just you just reversing until you [TS]

00:30:43   eventually back to like it [TS]

00:30:45   I feel like all the energy is going into [TS]

00:30:46   the stupid screens and they're doing a [TS]

00:30:48   bad job of the software you know most of [TS]

00:30:50   the car makers are anyway they should [TS]

00:30:52   just go back to concentrating on making [TS]

00:30:53   a really good car interior where they [TS]

00:30:55   decide what is the most important role [TS]

00:30:57   with the second-most [TS]

00:30:58   third most how easy is it to find and [TS]

00:31:00   feel the buttons for cruise control or [TS]

00:31:02   upshifting or anything on the steering [TS]

00:31:03   wheel and you know the High Court has a [TS]

00:31:07   comically large volume button in the [TS]

00:31:09   stead center and top of the constant yep [TS]

00:31:11   i had that the thing is like that is [TS]

00:31:14   comically large but you know it's kind [TS]

00:31:16   of like the big a button on the gamecube [TS]

00:31:17   controller like it's easier to change [TS]

00:31:20   the volume without looking at the cards [TS]

00:31:21   also steering wheel controls but like [TS]

00:31:22   it's just it's kind of nice to go you [TS]

00:31:25   just you're not gonna miss it you can [TS]

00:31:26   tell exactly where it is and it feels [TS]

00:31:30   good to turn it like that's that's a [TS]

00:31:31   good you know a good car interior has [TS]

00:31:33   kind of features maybe that's not the [TS]

00:31:34   most important role but I think that's [TS]

00:31:36   what they should be concentrating on [TS]

00:31:37   pretend there's no screen make the most [TS]

00:31:39   awesome car into your account you can [TS]

00:31:41   now add a screen and what additional [TS]

00:31:43   cool things you can do with the screen [TS]

00:31:45   obviously navigation and stuff like that [TS]

00:31:46   but you know if there really is some [TS]

00:31:49   feature that's too complicated to [TS]

00:31:50   provide a switch for my can think of [TS]

00:31:53   anything maybe you could do some sort of [TS]

00:31:54   complicated airflow control like a [TS]

00:31:56   minivan or something and you don't have [TS]

00:31:58   a touchscreen interface for that [TS]

00:32:00   by all means do it like that but I do [TS]

00:32:02   not want to like I don't think any kind [TS]

00:32:05   of on-screen control should be so [TS]

00:32:07   important that they have to put a [TS]

00:32:08   control like I Drive like next to the [TS]

00:32:10   shifter like it's never gonna be as [TS]

00:32:11   important as the shifter in fact i would [TS]

00:32:13   rather not be interacting with that [TS]

00:32:14   screen while driving at all possible and [TS]

00:32:17   that's I mean I think again I think [TS]

00:32:18   you'll be very happy with the BMW's [TS]

00:32:20   balance struck here where we're almost [TS]

00:32:23   every common function that you would do [TS]

00:32:25   except like media navigation and and [TS]

00:32:30   navigation almost all those things can [TS]

00:32:32   be accessed with the screen totally off [TS]

00:32:34   or removed or anything because one thing [TS]

00:32:37   is at BWW cells at least the previous [TS]

00:32:39   generation they sold without the screen [TS]

00:32:40   the screen was an option so they had to [TS]

00:32:43   make all the controls for everything and [TS]

00:32:44   then and butt and then you know alexis [TS]

00:32:47   has made very different choices here [TS]

00:32:48   lexus screen is a lot of the temperature [TS]

00:32:51   and audio controls are only in the [TS]

00:32:53   screen and when we're into this car [TS]

00:32:55   drives me nuts [TS]

00:32:56   temperature is only on the screen yeah [TS]

00:32:58   well-well like that some part of the [TS]

00:33:01   ground like you can there's like a [TS]

00:33:02   temperature up and down button that's [TS]

00:33:04   that's a hardware button but like a lot [TS]

00:33:06   of the controls for things like [TS]

00:33:08   introducing oh yeah i think a lot of [TS]

00:33:10   that is actually is isn't screen only [TS]

00:33:12   and it drives me crazy and and then out [TS]

00:33:14   and we we can't leave the top of talking [TS]

00:33:16   about the tesla model s are you familiar [TS]

00:33:20   with the yeah it's a tesla model s [TS]

00:33:23   basically has I think it's got 11 HR 10 [TS]

00:33:26   inch screen in the center of the console [TS]

00:33:29   that controls pretty much everything and [TS]

00:33:31   there are almost no other buttons in the [TS]

00:33:33   entire rest of the car and and that this [TS]

00:33:35   is kind of better design goal of theirs [TS]

00:33:37   to to have almost no other buttons [TS]

00:33:40   anywhere else to put everything in this [TS]

00:33:41   function even things like like the [TS]

00:33:43   powered seat adjustment like everything [TS]

00:33:46   is in the screen and and their rationale [TS]

00:33:48   for this which is kind of you know you [TS]

00:33:49   can understand why they thought this way [TS]

00:33:51   the rationale was we make everything [TS]

00:33:54   part of this integrated software system [TS]

00:33:56   thing and then it's easy to update its [TS]

00:33:59   easy to make it better we can even add [TS]

00:34:00   features later on as long as the [TS]

00:34:02   necessary hardware is available to us so [TS]

00:34:05   that was a noble goal i guess but like I [TS]

00:34:08   got to sit in one in a showroom in a [TS]

00:34:10   mall and can actually drive them but you [TS]

00:34:13   can get the second one a mushroom and I [TS]

00:34:16   just tried to navigate that screen a [TS]

00:34:17   little bit and it was because they were [TS]

00:34:20   relying on the screen for everything it [TS]

00:34:22   was really complicated like the it was a [TS]

00:34:24   very cluttered interface trying to look [TS]

00:34:27   good and nice but it ended up looking [TS]

00:34:29   very cluttered and they had through [TS]

00:34:31   everything in there like you know you [TS]

00:34:33   could be trying to adjust your seat and [TS]

00:34:34   accidentally open up a web browser like [TS]

00:34:36   I don't like it they went way too far in [TS]

00:34:40   that direction as green screen serves [TS]

00:34:42   more than one purpose though like the [TS]

00:34:44   other perp the other important purpose [TS]

00:34:45   that screen serves is to make you feel [TS]

00:34:48   like you've purchased a futuristic car [TS]

00:34:50   and I did you know and that sounds [TS]

00:34:53   cynical and like they're trying to pull [TS]

00:34:54   a fast one on you but I think that [TS]

00:34:55   actually is legitimate purpose like [TS]

00:34:57   someone's going to spend a hundred grand [TS]

00:34:58   on the good you know tesla model s they [TS]

00:35:01   want to feel like they bought a [TS]

00:35:03   futuristic car and because we all grew [TS]

00:35:06   up watching movies where the insides of [TS]

00:35:08   cars look like this they'll don't you [TS]

00:35:11   have happy customers who would like oh [TS]

00:35:12   this feels like it will show it off to [TS]

00:35:14   their friends right [TS]

00:35:15   maybe they'll also be frustrated with it [TS]

00:35:17   because it's a terrible idea and you [TS]

00:35:18   need some freakin knobs but like [TS]

00:35:20   especially for the first model out the [TS]

00:35:22   gate of like that you know the the [TS]

00:35:23   four-seat sort of [TS]

00:35:25   you know none that you know not the [TS]

00:35:28   Roadster not the little ones used to [TS]

00:35:29   make based on the least like this is [TS]

00:35:30   like their mainstream player whatever [TS]

00:35:32   here [TS]

00:35:33   I mean don't backpedal if they're still [TS]

00:35:35   around for a couple more generations [TS]

00:35:37   that touchscreen is going to you you're [TS]

00:35:38   going to see some knobs or whatever but [TS]

00:35:40   it's kinda like the original Mac without [TS]

00:35:41   the arrow keys on the keyboard right [TS]

00:35:43   it's like it's it's a it's a vision [TS]

00:35:45   statement of like this is the future of [TS]

00:35:47   driving and it's kind of like you know I [TS]

00:35:49   i'm making a statement about the future [TS]

00:35:51   we think that they think so much the [TS]

00:35:52   futures touch screens but they think [TS]

00:35:53   electric cars of the future so they're [TS]

00:35:55   gonna make their electric car look [TS]

00:35:56   futuristic but they got a backslide not [TS]

00:35:58   because it's just you know no matter how [TS]

00:36:00   good even if you have apple make bread [TS]

00:36:02   interface the bottom line is it's a big [TS]

00:36:03   flat sheet of glass that you have to [TS]

00:36:05   look at to get anything done that's no [TS]

00:36:07   good [TS]

00:36:07   well yeah it goes beyond question of [TS]

00:36:09   interface design and now it's simply [TS]

00:36:11   it's a question of of project management [TS]

00:36:13   and effectively it's like like they [TS]

00:36:15   they're asking this one screen to do way [TS]

00:36:17   too much and they could really benefit [TS]

00:36:19   from a few buttons and they won't do it [TS]

00:36:22   it's not so instead they haven't is one [TS]

00:36:23   giant screen they're giving it the job [TS]

00:36:25   of everything and it's kind of [TS]

00:36:28   questionable whether it's even possible [TS]

00:36:29   to make a great interface to that it was [TS]

00:36:32   it is no there's no physical feedback [TS]

00:36:33   that the place where I think the screens [TS]

00:36:35   have had a place is and the Tesla does [TS]

00:36:37   this as well and a lot of other cars or [TS]

00:36:39   are doing this is replaced the thing [TS]

00:36:41   that has all like the dials and [TS]

00:36:42   everything fine replace that with an [TS]

00:36:44   awesome-looking screen it's sunken it [TS]

00:36:45   can be in a place where like you know [TS]

00:36:47   the brightness is in a concern like it's [TS]

00:36:49   something in the dash and make [TS]

00:36:50   awesome-looking computerized displays [TS]

00:36:52   for you know for speedometer tackle and [TS]

00:36:54   stuff and I think of some cars have done [TS]

00:36:56   that was the lexus LFA did this maybe [TS]

00:36:58   case you know because regular needles [TS]

00:37:00   couldn't keep up with the reading of the [TS]

00:37:02   the v10 engine they have been there it [TS]

00:37:04   was Edward it would read from us but I [TS]

00:37:07   kind of believe it because there's no [TS]

00:37:08   needles lagna fit into some sort of [TS]

00:37:10   physical actual gauge hooked up to the [TS]

00:37:13   red thing it was always lagging behind [TS]

00:37:14   where was where you can wear a screen [TS]

00:37:16   can update a you know instantly so that [TS]

00:37:19   type of stuff i think is great for [TS]

00:37:20   display purposes by all means replace [TS]

00:37:22   all those stupid dials with a real woman [TS]

00:37:24   like a retina awesome-looking [TS]

00:37:26   high-powered a very bright high-contrast [TS]

00:37:29   display that shows cool stuff and share [TS]

00:37:31   update that with new software updates [TS]

00:37:33   for cool speedometers and little things [TS]

00:37:35   telling you your door opener where the [TS]

00:37:37   hell [TS]

00:37:37   just I want to put in there but i'm not [TS]

00:37:39   actually sure i would want that that [TS]

00:37:40   sounds it sounds like it would be a [TS]

00:37:42   massive opportunity for them to screw [TS]

00:37:43   things up [TS]

00:37:45   it is but they can always fix I mean [TS]

00:37:46   it's like it's like anything else I mean [TS]

00:37:48   you've seen some of the physical dials [TS]

00:37:49   that they they're always there forever [TS]

00:37:52   screwing up a speedometer attack [TS]

00:37:54   yeah fuel gauge I mean just look at the [TS]

00:37:56   eighties that they're just everybody [TS]

00:37:58   that the linear speedometers with the [TS]

00:38:00   bar graph for those i wasn't gonna do [TS]

00:38:02   yeah and the digital number like yes [TS]

00:38:04   people will always screw up the stuff [TS]

00:38:06   and that's why people like please just [TS]

00:38:07   give me dials back because these dials [TS]

00:38:09   are like tried-and-true you can't really [TS]

00:38:11   screw up that much they're the worst [TS]

00:38:13   thing you can do is put like a 250 . 50 [TS]

00:38:15   mile-per-hour speedometer on your civic [TS]

00:38:17   and then you end up only ever using like [TS]

00:38:19   you know 30-degree the first 30 degrees [TS]

00:38:21   of the entire speedometer you spend your [TS]

00:38:23   time but yeah but well done [TS]

00:38:26   speedometer with ya based on a screen [TS]

00:38:28   would be a good idea but that's where I [TS]

00:38:30   think screens belong not so much in the [TS]

00:38:32   center console for anything except for [TS]

00:38:33   like your navigation map and speaking of [TS]

00:38:36   the media stuff like that's a tough nut [TS]

00:38:38   to crack and because that's place where [TS]

00:38:40   you can't get away with a tuning dial [TS]

00:38:42   and presets like you want to be able to [TS]

00:38:43   help you wanna be able to scroll down to [TS]

00:38:45   you know your favorite band or your [TS]

00:38:47   favorite playlists or whatever and the [TS]

00:38:49   only way to do that without a touch [TS]

00:38:50   screen is to do some sort of voice [TS]

00:38:52   recognition and they're also forever [TS]

00:38:53   trying to do that and Apple has a new [TS]

00:38:54   Siri integration with the various car [TS]

00:38:56   makers and stuff so they'll keep working [TS]

00:38:58   on that but it's a random access type [TS]

00:39:00   thing where there's no physical control [TS]

00:39:02   is going to save you like look you got a [TS]

00:39:03   billion artist in 20 billion playlist [TS]

00:39:06   you know the one you want there's no [TS]

00:39:08   button you can push to get it because [TS]

00:39:10   you just have too many of you is going [TS]

00:39:11   to have to scroll or speak or you know [TS]

00:39:13   have your that the best the best [TS]

00:39:15   interface to that I've found is just a [TS]

00:39:19   spouse next to you and talk and then [TS]

00:39:22   they will sit there on the ipod screen [TS]

00:39:23   or wherever find it and play it and you [TS]

00:39:25   never have to take your eyes off the [TS]

00:39:26   road spouse is highly recommended highly [TS]

00:39:29   recommend what's funny to kind of go [TS]

00:39:31   back and then forward two step one of [TS]

00:39:33   the things that I've learned about I [TS]

00:39:34   Drive is that the the initial version [TS]

00:39:37   that nobody liked that everyone felt was [TS]

00:39:38   crummy part of the problem we felt that [TS]

00:39:40   was because there were so few buttons [TS]

00:39:42   involved in like both of you guys were [TS]

00:39:44   saying with time they kind of reverted [TS]

00:39:47   to buttons and so if you were to look at [TS]

00:39:49   pictures of early i drive systems back [TS]

00:39:51   . was this the ccc the car communication [TS]

00:39:53   computer that system usually had only [TS]

00:39:56   one or two buttons associated with it [TS]

00:39:58   other than the eye dr stick or whatever [TS]

00:40:00   it's called itself where is the one that [TS]

00:40:02   I haven't believe it's the same in [TS]

00:40:03   Marcos uh and it's got the the spinner [TS]

00:40:07   the stick whatever you want to call it [TS]

00:40:08   in i want to say five other six seven [TS]

00:40:11   other buttons so there's a button to go [TS]

00:40:13   straight to telephone there's a button [TS]

00:40:14   to go straight to radio to go straight [TS]

00:40:18   to CD have to go straight to navigation [TS]

00:40:20   and then there's also a general home [TS]

00:40:22   button and then there's i think back in [TS]

00:40:24   an option key as well and that sounds [TS]

00:40:27   really complex but it actually makes it [TS]

00:40:28   considerably easier in typical tmw [TS]

00:40:31   fashion that they've actually added way [TS]

00:40:32   too many buttons for most people but us [TS]

00:40:34   knows how to get out but that's actually [TS]

00:40:36   very good point is i'm curious what a [TS]

00:40:38   non do we would have to say about all [TS]

00:40:39   this and kinda to that point one of the [TS]

00:40:42   things that I discovered on my car is [TS]

00:40:44   that it's got what appear to be six [TS]

00:40:46   radio preset buttons and because I'm a [TS]

00:40:48   big enough nerd that i've actually read [TS]

00:40:50   the owners manual once I got in order to [TS]

00:40:52   learn all these kind of obscure one-offs [TS]

00:40:54   you can actually have those preset [TS]

00:40:56   buttons rather than do radio presets be [TS]

00:40:58   presets to menus and things within the [TS]

00:41:01   eye dr so what I've done is I've set up [TS]

00:41:03   to call Aaron to call my wife as the [TS]

00:41:06   very first preset so if I mashed down on [TS]

00:41:07   the first preset it will call Aaron the [TS]

00:41:10   second preset I think sends me home so [TS]

00:41:12   you know it'll it all to automatically [TS]

00:41:14   has keyed in my home address and so all [TS]

00:41:16   i have to do is hit the second button [TS]

00:41:17   and it's going home [TS]

00:41:19   the third button in this kind of also [TS]

00:41:20   speaks to software updates actually had [TS]

00:41:22   to get a not update for the car software [TS]

00:41:24   update for the car and with that [TS]

00:41:26   question malarious which is weird but [TS]

00:41:29   with that came now the car can actually [TS]

00:41:31   communicate with my iphone and show me [TS]

00:41:33   text messages on the eye dr now there's [TS]

00:41:36   a pretty legitimate argument that i [TS]

00:41:37   shouldn't be reading text messages on [TS]

00:41:38   the eye dr but be that as it may the [TS]

00:41:40   third button brings me to my messages [TS]

00:41:42   and then the fourth button i have 4 515 [TS]

00:41:44   6 buttons i have for various other and [TS]

00:41:46   sundry things but i think having those [TS]

00:41:49   buttons both the ones around the stick [TS]

00:41:51   to go straight to telephone straight to [TS]

00:41:53   navigate cetera as well as having those [TS]

00:41:55   user programmable buttons in that look [TS]

00:41:57   like radio presets that makes the eye dr [TS]

00:41:59   that much easier to use and the other [TS]

00:42:01   thing that I really like having the eye [TS]

00:42:03   dr for [TS]

00:42:04   and this is kind of building on what you [TS]

00:42:05   were saying John is is for things that [TS]

00:42:07   you can't just slam into a teeny tiny [TS]

00:42:09   display on the dash so in the BMW's it [TS]

00:42:12   has a little teeny display in the dash [TS]

00:42:15   but for example if if a tire gets low on [TS]

00:42:17   pressure or if there's a alarm because [TS]

00:42:21   it's cold outside rather than just [TS]

00:42:23   seeing a snowflake in the dash and [TS]

00:42:25   assuming you know what that means in the [TS]

00:42:27   eye dr can say hey it's 37 degrees out [TS]

00:42:29   be careful or hey this right rear tires [TS]

00:42:32   low you should drive 50 miles and no [TS]

00:42:33   more you should do it at 55 miles an [TS]

00:42:35   hour no more than that as opposed to [TS]

00:42:37   just seeing a picture of the car and a [TS]

00:42:38   red tire in the back and so having that [TS]

00:42:42   be that feedback is really nice and the [TS]

00:42:44   final thing that makes it really really [TS]

00:42:45   nice is the integration with BMW apps [TS]

00:42:47   will excuse me [TS]

00:42:49   BMW Assist which is kind of like they're [TS]

00:42:51   on star and so that avoids marcos [TS]

00:42:53   pitfall of doing the rotary phone [TS]

00:42:55   address styling because what i can do is [TS]

00:42:58   i can go on google maps find a dress and [TS]

00:43:00   actually have google send that to the [TS]

00:43:01   car so it's waiting for me by the time i [TS]

00:43:03   get there and if i didn't have any one [TS]

00:43:05   of these features i probably still like [TS]

00:43:08   the eye dr but if all of those features [TS]

00:43:09   went away I think I'd hate it just as [TS]

00:43:11   much as the earlier drive adopters did [TS]

00:43:13   and then the other thing I wanted to [TS]

00:43:16   briefly bring up as I don't know if you [TS]

00:43:17   guys have looked into this into the [TS]

00:43:18   corvette c7 but John that has the dash [TS]

00:43:21   that you're describing where it's a [TS]

00:43:22   completely configurable dashboard the [TS]

00:43:26   dashboard so you can have the [TS]

00:43:27   speedometer and tachometer or you can [TS]

00:43:29   have a g-meter or you can have many [TS]

00:43:30   other things and I think you can change [TS]

00:43:32   so that in one view that the [TS]

00:43:34   speedometers huge in the tachometer [TS]

00:43:36   small maybe if you just cruising around [TS]

00:43:37   in another you can do the reverse [TS]

00:43:39   because you're on the track and you care [TS]

00:43:40   about how quick your shifting not how [TS]

00:43:41   court went to shift not how quick your [TS]

00:43:43   going and I think you're absolutely [TS]

00:43:45   right that really in a perfect world [TS]

00:43:46   that's where the screen belongs not [TS]

00:43:48   necessarily in the center of the car I [TS]

00:43:49   could not disagree more [TS]

00:43:51   ok why well okay so as a programmer you [TS]

00:43:54   know is I'd like that it's one more [TS]

00:43:56   thing to screw up to expand a little bit [TS]

00:43:57   you know as a programmer generally [TS]

00:44:00   speaking I hate software and I know that [TS]

00:44:02   sounds weird but but the reason I hate [TS]

00:44:04   software is because I know how hard it [TS]

00:44:07   is to get software right and I know how [TS]

00:44:09   many times for how many products and [TS]

00:44:12   services the software is so bad and so [TS]

00:44:14   wrong and and I Drive [TS]

00:44:17   and and all the navigation system i've [TS]

00:44:19   seen so far I would not describe any of [TS]

00:44:22   them is great in fact i would have a [TS]

00:44:24   hard time even describing most of them [TS]

00:44:26   is good [TS]

00:44:26   I Drive I might I might call could but [TS]

00:44:30   you know the reason why you know like [TS]

00:44:33   you before getting a BMW I i had heard [TS]

00:44:36   all sorts of things about how horrible i [TS]

00:44:38   drive was so i went with very low [TS]

00:44:40   expectations and I've been pleasantly [TS]

00:44:44   surprised by it like you partially [TS]

00:44:46   because my expectations are so low but [TS]

00:44:49   at and partially because while it does [TS]

00:44:52   have problems and things that don't make [TS]

00:44:54   a lot of sense about it it has fewer of [TS]

00:44:57   those things than the other systems that [TS]

00:44:59   I've tried and obviously between the [TS]

00:45:02   three of us there are a lot of systems [TS]

00:45:03   that we haven't tried that we can't [TS]

00:45:05   really speak in the back but there could [TS]

00:45:06   for all I know there could be a great 1i [TS]

00:45:08   just have never seen it but the end and [TS]

00:45:12   I think it's unlikely honestly i think [TS]

00:45:13   that i think the existence of a great [TS]

00:45:14   was very unlikely but I think the reason [TS]

00:45:18   why I wouldn't want the the like gage [TS]

00:45:22   area of the dash to be just just a big [TS]

00:45:24   screen that could be configured is [TS]

00:45:27   because there's a few things 144 like [TS]

00:45:31   visual organ ominous whatever the right [TS]

00:45:33   word before this i think it would be [TS]

00:45:36   hard to make most screen technology get [TS]

00:45:38   dim enough to look okay at night I think [TS]

00:45:41   oledb might be the only choice here that [TS]

00:45:43   would make sense but then those have LED [TS]

00:45:46   screens have have pretty short lifetimes [TS]

00:45:48   relatively speaking and color shifts [TS]

00:45:51   over time as as like the blue pixels [TS]

00:45:53   fade and stuff like that there's there's [TS]

00:45:55   problems with LED that would make it bad [TS]

00:45:57   for something we're supposed to own for [TS]

00:45:59   you know ten to fifteen years and who [TS]

00:46:03   else you can't do it like getting dim [TS]

00:46:05   zeros not the problem problem do the [TS]

00:46:07   reverse being able to be bright enough [TS]

00:46:08   to be and in readable right I guess I'm [TS]

00:46:11   that's the other problem so yeah but dim [TS]

00:46:13   isn't a problem but I think for the [TS]

00:46:14   brightness like it's it's much better [TS]

00:46:16   off than the LCD got for your navigation [TS]

00:46:18   because you can really bury those gauges [TS]

00:46:20   like as a hood over like they're [TS]

00:46:22   protected there in a little cave I think [TS]

00:46:24   technology is good enough now to make [TS]

00:46:25   them really bright and I think even for [TS]

00:46:27   physical gauges I'm sure we've all [TS]

00:46:29   driven a car [TS]

00:46:30   where the physical gauges during a [TS]

00:46:31   certain time of day become not [TS]

00:46:33   particularly visible like it's not you [TS]

00:46:35   know we in turn on the headlights like [TS]

00:46:37   the back light comes on but they're not [TS]

00:46:38   that visible when you turn off the [TS]

00:46:39   headlights that too dim there's even for [TS]

00:46:41   physical gauges there's times a day with [TS]

00:46:44   a difficult to read i think i'm not all [TS]

00:46:45   display but I mean it depends on what [TS]

00:46:48   are you ever see the the white on black [TS]

00:46:50   black my reversing ones that was a trend [TS]

00:46:52   a couple have a decade of horses yeah [TS]

00:46:54   let my maxima had those actually yeah [TS]

00:46:56   those works surprisingly well except for [TS]

00:46:58   about 15 minutes during the day there [TS]

00:47:00   was a little wacky but even regular ones [TS]

00:47:01   can be a little bit weird i think like [TS]

00:47:03   screen technology is at the point now [TS]

00:47:06   where they can have less of a weird time [TS]

00:47:08   because they can totally dynamically [TS]

00:47:09   adjust much more so than just what we [TS]

00:47:11   have a physical thing and we can light [TS]

00:47:12   it from the front and we can write it [TS]

00:47:13   from the back and we can adjust those [TS]

00:47:15   who like to but that's it [TS]

00:47:16   now we've got a complete RGB thing that [TS]

00:47:18   you can really play with in terms of [TS]

00:47:20   brightness contrast colors everything [TS]

00:47:22   and you know put through a light sensor [TS]

00:47:24   on it can detect with its surroundings [TS]

00:47:26   aren't everything [TS]

00:47:26   well i think if you if you go really far [TS]

00:47:29   with it and and you make it more like a [TS]

00:47:31   computer or like an iPad or something if [TS]

00:47:33   you go that if you go so far with it [TS]

00:47:35   that people can kind of make their own [TS]

00:47:38   and customize and make their own themes [TS]

00:47:40   and and make their own arrangements then [TS]

00:47:42   start wearing exactly so it means you [TS]

00:47:45   could do that then you can rely on [TS]

00:47:47   people with good taste making these kind [TS]

00:47:49   of things and post them online so you [TS]

00:47:50   could use something with that and I [TS]

00:47:52   think that is the future though I mean [TS]

00:47:53   like it's like talking about in that [TS]

00:47:54   blog post i like all these things that [TS]

00:47:56   used to not have anything to do with [TS]

00:47:58   software like it's inevitable that [TS]

00:48:00   software will become an important part [TS]

00:48:02   of that I know you're saying you hate it [TS]

00:48:03   because you know how badly everyone does [TS]

00:48:04   software that's true because all these [TS]

00:48:06   companies that you should not have to do [TS]

00:48:08   anything with software or like doing [TS]

00:48:09   minimal thing with stuff like one got [TS]

00:48:11   off in the corner was working on [TS]

00:48:11   software inevitably they will either go [TS]

00:48:14   out of business or they're gonna have to [TS]

00:48:15   get good at doing software because this [TS]

00:48:17   thing they were making it used to be all [TS]

00:48:19   about everything but software software [TS]

00:48:21   is going to become an important it's [TS]

00:48:22   kind of like safety like safety was like [TS]

00:48:24   yeah whatever you're fine okay final and [TS]

00:48:26   seatbelts who said we should but now [TS]

00:48:28   like safety like those huge departments [TS]

00:48:30   and every car maker dealing with safety [TS]

00:48:32   and incredibly complicated and they have [TS]

00:48:34   gained expertise and safety for [TS]

00:48:36   everything from you know crash [TS]

00:48:37   protection and the [TS]

00:48:38   the Brazilian airbags are in and a [TS]

00:48:40   pedestrian safety so when you hit a [TS]

00:48:42   pedestrian and cracked his skull in the [TS]

00:48:43   hood of the car like if you had said all [TS]

00:48:45   that you know safety they're never gonna [TS]

00:48:46   be good at forget like they'll have to [TS]

00:48:49   gain expertise so I think this is [TS]

00:48:50   inevitable and it right there most of [TS]

00:48:53   them have been disgusting but I think [TS]

00:48:55   now they've been doing these software [TS]

00:48:57   dashboards displays long enough to to do [TS]

00:49:02   a competent job of kind of like the eye [TS]

00:49:03   dr thing where like a touch screen set [TS]

00:49:05   like to look at the video case you put [TS]

00:49:06   in the thing you're showing this [TS]

00:49:08   Corvette one now granted the entire [TS]

00:49:09   corvette is I would say not taste of all [TS]

00:49:11   let's say that everyone can email you [TS]

00:49:14   about that because I agree with you but [TS]

00:49:16   I wasn't brave enough to say it yeah i [TS]

00:49:18   mean that's kind of the Corvette's thing [TS]

00:49:19   that wasn't it's not like it's not [TS]

00:49:21   trying to be understated and classy it's [TS]

00:49:23   like no this is a big red hot wheels car [TS]

00:49:26   that you drive and the dashboard thing [TS]

00:49:27   looks like that and that's I think [TS]

00:49:28   that's a branding opportunity that [TS]

00:49:30   they're taking you know you want to feel [TS]

00:49:31   like a boy racer in this car [TS]

00:49:33   well here's a friggin boy racer gauge [TS]

00:49:34   cluster take a look at it i mean i think [TS]

00:49:37   they're pulling it off I mean you know [TS]

00:49:39   again this is I think this is the first [TS]

00:49:40   generation we're doing is really [TS]

00:49:42   configurable thing but you know give it [TS]

00:49:45   5-10 years and I think this will have [TS]

00:49:47   settled down such that when you driving [TS]

00:49:50   your little toyota corolla with your LCD [TS]

00:49:52   display thing about that's fine [TS]

00:49:54   like you want it you know what when our [TS]

00:49:55   kids are driving they won't think for a [TS]

00:49:58   second about the the thing that they're [TS]

00:50:00   looking at between this the steering [TS]

00:50:02   wheel could be any different than what [TS]

00:50:03   it is [TS]

00:50:03   see I don't know because I mean I can [TS]

00:50:04   see going either way you know it going [TS]

00:50:07   the other direction [TS]

00:50:08   what you mentioned earlier about how [TS]

00:50:10   back in the seventies and eighties when [TS]

00:50:12   everything kind of went all digital and [TS]

00:50:13   then we can step back from that I think [TS]

00:50:15   that same thing could happen here with [TS]

00:50:17   these dashboard gauges and stuff over [TS]

00:50:20   the next five or ten years like we could [TS]

00:50:22   be right now the technology has finally [TS]

00:50:24   become cheap enough that a lot more cars [TS]

00:50:28   can start adding it and they are but [TS]

00:50:31   then like you know in five years it's [TS]

00:50:33   gonna be very commonplace and probably [TS]

00:50:34   probably will have gone too far in that [TS]

00:50:35   direction we're going to step back and [TS]

00:50:37   the other thing is like this to me it's [TS]

00:50:40   like what the gauges have to do is a [TS]

00:50:42   pretty simple job really like I i really [TS]

00:50:45   have have never will be making your [TS]

00:50:48   changes in Michael you're just thinking [TS]

00:50:50   of what they do now [TS]

00:50:51   it's like Casey said well here and we're [TS]

00:50:53   the generation where when your oil needs [TS]

00:50:55   to be changed a little wrench light [TS]

00:50:57   lights up in the dashboard or you know [TS]

00:51:00   like the little picture of a car but [TS]

00:51:01   this trunk open comes on and like yeah [TS]

00:51:03   what else do you need to do well if you [TS]

00:51:05   have a screen and not like well okay [TS]

00:51:07   you've got 775 square inches you have [TS]

00:51:10   this many and this is how much room you [TS]

00:51:11   have for indicator lights and when this [TS]

00:51:13   is wrong this light comes on and this is [TS]

00:51:15   long we just have an oil light or [TS]

00:51:16   whatever like if you have a screen you [TS]

00:51:18   can do so much better than that and i [TS]

00:51:19   think it will look barbaric to say like [TS]

00:51:21   you know something appears on the screen [TS]

00:51:23   that looks like a little wrench to tell [TS]

00:51:24   you that you have to bring your car in [TS]

00:51:26   or check the check engine light like the [TS]

00:51:28   fact that there's light why would just a [TS]

00:51:29   check engine why wouldn't it be more [TS]

00:51:31   specific like if it knows you know [TS]

00:51:32   something's rights of all that you only [TS]

00:51:33   have room for how many lights is you [TS]

00:51:35   know look at your look at your dashboard [TS]

00:51:36   see all those little dimmed lights a [TS]

00:51:38   little hieroglyphics with no words [TS]

00:51:40   because they have to be localized and [TS]

00:51:41   everything that's that's what software [TS]

00:51:43   is for to not have that do not have a [TS]

00:51:46   million different little cutout light up [TS]

00:51:49   things but instead to be able to just [TS]

00:51:51   tell you i mean i don't think it's a [TS]

00:51:54   you're right this is gonna be some [TS]

00:51:55   exuberance and ridiculousness and I [TS]

00:51:57   think like the Tesla is an example of [TS]

00:51:58   that like you know not you know the [TS]

00:52:00   first generation is always going to be [TS]

00:52:02   silly kind of like the first generation [TS]

00:52:04   of a people who had access to word [TS]

00:52:06   processors that could use fonts and went [TS]

00:52:08   crazy and every single newsletter 8,000 [TS]

00:52:10   flights in it right but we settled down [TS]

00:52:11   right and we didn't settle down by going [TS]

00:52:13   back to you know movable-type right we [TS]

00:52:17   settle down by just taking the tools [TS]

00:52:19   that we had and and getting them under [TS]

00:52:20   control so i don't think that it's not [TS]

00:52:22   like physical controls vs busy and we're [TS]

00:52:24   talking about something you just look at [TS]

00:52:26   its justin information display this is [TS]

00:52:27   gonna be a screen and then there's not [TS]

00:52:29   gonna be any backsliding two gauges [TS]

00:52:31   well I have 53 counter-arguments one is [TS]

00:52:35   that again I i really do doubt that they [TS]

00:52:38   will be tastefully designed and I think [TS]

00:52:40   that's a bad thing somewhere eventually [TS]

00:52:42   maybe Facebook for years so that's one [TS]

00:52:46   number two is you know I think making [TS]

00:52:50   this all software will inevitably make [TS]

00:52:53   it more complicated and and more to deal [TS]

00:52:56   with you know like it's going to be [TS]

00:52:59   there's gonna be some things that's [TS]

00:53:01   going to do worse than the gauges at [TS]

00:53:03   least for the first few generations [TS]

00:53:05   the technology catches up to the old [TS]

00:53:06   analog the way technology always does [TS]

00:53:08   like there's like maybe it'll be less [TS]

00:53:10   responsive maybe the screens are just [TS]

00:53:12   too too low resolution to look very good [TS]

00:53:14   maybe they won't have enough of a of a [TS]

00:53:16   brightness range and i'll be a tube [TS]

00:53:18   right attitude in the day like there's [TS]

00:53:20   gonna be a lot of these problems [TS]

00:53:22   number three is because it's because [TS]

00:53:25   this thing is now software-based you now [TS]

00:53:29   we'll have more potential ways of [TS]

00:53:31   failure here now I don't I have rarely [TS]

00:53:33   seen an important gauge fail in the [TS]

00:53:37   first like 15 years of any cars life [TS]

00:53:39   ahead they they do eventually fail [TS]

00:53:41   sometimes but it takes a long time and [TS]

00:53:43   you know gauges pretty reliable to give [TS]

00:53:46   you a point of comparison i have i have [TS]

00:53:48   nest thermostats in my house and and one [TS]

00:53:51   of the nest thermostats and you know the [TS]

00:53:53   nest thermostat is basically around the [TS]

00:53:55   thermostat with a big round LED LCD [TS]

00:53:57   screen in the middle of it that a is all [TS]

00:53:59   software-based and it's all cool [TS]

00:54:01   computerized but now one of my [TS]

00:54:04   thermostats has two rows of hot pixels [TS]

00:54:08   now that's a problem that most people [TS]

00:54:10   never have and it most people will never [TS]

00:54:12   have that problem of having to worry [TS]

00:54:14   about dead pixels on their thermostat i [TS]

00:54:18   have that problem my thermostats get [TS]

00:54:21   software updates [TS]

00:54:22   you know that's not another weird thing [TS]

00:54:24   I have to worry about like there's [TS]

00:54:27   there's more more complexity when you [TS]

00:54:29   make something that was a simple device [TS]

00:54:32   into a software computer device and so [TS]

00:54:35   the more you get more features out of it [TS]

00:54:37   to me that everything that's happening [TS]

00:54:38   yet everything in our lives just think [TS]

00:54:40   of your television [TS]

00:54:41   I never used to get software updates on [TS]

00:54:42   our television when I was a kid you turn [TS]

00:54:44   the TV on it got a picture didn't you [TS]

00:54:46   adjusted the rabbit ears and turn the [TS]

00:54:48   dial from 213like working and that all [TS]

00:54:50   you're gonna have software can be [TS]

00:54:51   complicated now might even get software [TS]

00:54:52   updates yeah it's way more complicated [TS]

00:54:54   and and flakier and more annoying but [TS]

00:54:56   boy it does help a lot more than my TV [TS]

00:54:58   with the rabbit ears and that's that's [TS]

00:54:59   how that's how technology goes like it [TS]

00:55:02   is more complicated [TS]

00:55:03   there's more things that can go wrong it [TS]

00:55:05   seems a little bit silly it's different [TS]

00:55:06   than what it used to be but in exchange [TS]

00:55:08   for that you're getting something better [TS]

00:55:10   you're getting something better than the [TS]

00:55:11   little wrench light you're getting [TS]

00:55:12   something better than the check engine [TS]

00:55:13   light and yet you're getting something [TS]

00:55:14   like that crazy theme where the little [TS]

00:55:16   Corvette gauges fly average or whatever [TS]

00:55:18   amazing privilege but people like that [TS]

00:55:20   stuff i mean people like body cladding [TS]

00:55:22   on their cars like that doesn't serve [TS]

00:55:24   any purpose except for maybe for [TS]

00:55:26   aerodynamics if you're lucky and someone [TS]

00:55:27   actually thought of that when I made it [TS]

00:55:28   but like people like those type of [TS]

00:55:30   things so I think it's gonna happen and [TS]

00:55:31   I think it will be a net positive it [TS]

00:55:34   will allow the car makers who have bad [TS]

00:55:36   taste to flaunt that bad taste but it'll [TS]

00:55:39   also allow the carmaker's to you know [TS]

00:55:41   it's like anything else i will allow the [TS]

00:55:42   carmaker sooo want to have understated [TS]

00:55:44   elegance to hopefully gain expertise so [TS]

00:55:47   they can express their brand through [TS]

00:55:48   through the screen and I think that [TS]

00:55:50   Kourtney's c7 Corvette it's expressing [TS]

00:55:52   its brand through that screen we just [TS]

00:55:54   like its brand but like it's expressing [TS]

00:55:55   it i would agree i would actually even [TS]

00:55:59   double down on what you just said in the [TS]

00:56:00   sense that having this software doesn't [TS]

00:56:03   able to some really fancy new things [TS]

00:56:04   like a heads-up display which is [TS]

00:56:07   actually a win in many different levels [TS]

00:56:09   including safety because you don't have [TS]

00:56:11   to look even as far down as your gauges [TS]

00:56:13   in order to see how fast you're going [TS]

00:56:14   when you should shift or whatever and [TS]

00:56:16   another thing I wanted to just quickly [TS]

00:56:18   bring up which I would just melted my [TS]

00:56:20   brain when I read it is i was building [TS]

00:56:22   an m5 online just for grins and giggles [TS]

00:56:25   and and I think this is true of cars [TS]

00:56:27   other than the m5 but it but one of the [TS]

00:56:30   options was m5 speed limit info and I [TS]

00:56:32   actually copied down verbatim what it [TS]

00:56:34   said on the website and it said displays [TS]

00:56:36   the posted limit in the inch instrument [TS]

00:56:39   cluster as well as the head-up display [TS]

00:56:41   if so equipped which in and of itself is [TS]

00:56:42   kind of unremarkable a special camera [TS]

00:56:45   captures the speed limit posted on signs [TS]

00:56:48   a control unit then processes this [TS]

00:56:51   information together with the data on [TS]

00:56:53   the onboard navigation system [TS]

00:56:55   oh my god are you kidding so it's a [TS]

00:56:57   taken pictures of the speed limit signs [TS]

00:56:59   matching up with what it thinks the [TS]

00:57:01   speed limit should be in confirming that [TS]

00:57:03   that is indeed the speed limit and then [TS]

00:57:05   putting that on the heads-up display [TS]

00:57:06   just what it sounds just looking into [TS]

00:57:08   social networking so you can find other [TS]

00:57:10   people with the speed traps are I mean [TS]

00:57:12   that that's like roof for legality I'm [TS]

00:57:14   sure there's already like iOS apps that [TS]

00:57:16   do that you know we're basically will [TS]

00:57:18   tell you where the speed traps are [TS]

00:57:19   because everyone else who drives through [TS]

00:57:20   them it's like it's basically the [TS]

00:57:21   internet equivalent of flashing your [TS]

00:57:23   brights that somebody and you know you [TS]

00:57:24   drive fast and on the other direction [TS]

00:57:25   only its massively distributed so those [TS]

00:57:28   apps already exists for portable devices [TS]

00:57:30   if automakers could get away with [TS]

00:57:33   putting them in and not being sued by [TS]

00:57:34   like municipal police departments they [TS]

00:57:36   probably would but like that means it's [TS]

00:57:38   like fighting the time i eventually once [TS]

00:57:41   you know once were just so accustomed to [TS]

00:57:43   software just being like like right now [TS]

00:57:44   basically we're so accustomed to [TS]

00:57:46   software being on our phones like apps [TS]

00:57:48   and software on the phone like that ship [TS]

00:57:49   has sailed but I'm gonna go you know [TS]

00:57:50   what I'd rather not have apps on my [TS]

00:57:52   phone and let me go back it's never [TS]

00:57:53   happening right now we're talking about [TS]

00:57:54   which apps eventually that will happen [TS]

00:57:56   anything that software maybe not your [TS]

00:57:58   refrigerator but certainly your car [TS]

00:58:01   I cars again you're going to be much [TS]

00:58:02   slower because of all the legal safety [TS]

00:58:04   concerns but you probably in our [TS]

00:58:06   lifetime [TS]

00:58:07   there's going to be a way for you our [TS]

00:58:09   children our grandchildren are going to [TS]

00:58:11   buy a car and it's going to have [TS]

00:58:13   assuming we still have speed limits this [TS]

00:58:14   country and having descended into a Mad [TS]

00:58:16   Max like a post-apocalyptic nightmare [TS]

00:58:18   world there will be an app that will [TS]

00:58:20   tell them where the speed traps are [TS]

00:58:22   based on the information other people [TS]

00:58:24   who have driven through their children i [TS]

00:58:26   think going back a second [TS]

00:58:28   it's important to distinguish you know [TS]

00:58:31   you're right on this ship has sailed [TS]

00:58:32   with a lot of this stuff going back a [TS]

00:58:34   second though to to the speed limit [TS]

00:58:36   thing and and by the way that is a [TS]

00:58:38   feature on every five series and I think [TS]

00:58:39   even three series has most of those [TS]

00:58:41   features and I'm sure look I mean I'm [TS]

00:58:44   sure audi has already copied it and I'm [TS]

00:58:46   sure the people have similar features my [TS]

00:58:48   number i think Mercedes does anyway I [TS]

00:58:51   think it's important to point out like [TS]

00:58:52   software that's added to a car for [TS]

00:58:55   convenience or driver assistance [TS]

00:58:58   purposes is much easier to to approve up [TS]

00:59:02   to say okay yeah that's a good idea but [TS]

00:59:04   let's have that as an option i object [TS]

00:59:06   more when when software replaces [TS]

00:59:08   something that was previously done in in [TS]

00:59:11   a reliable way that worked fine like the [TS]

00:59:13   numeric keypad on your phone that kind [TS]

00:59:14   of thing [TS]

00:59:15   yeah I have been but we did but again [TS]

00:59:18   you would not give up your iphone if you [TS]

00:59:19   could get best you know what you'd be [TS]

00:59:21   sacrificing if I really approach easy [TS]

00:59:22   for me to like that the reason that that [TS]

00:59:24   went away on a phone is because I it's [TS]

00:59:27   that ok well yeah it's annoying to type [TS]

00:59:29   in numbers on this thing but you're not [TS]

00:59:30   going to type in numbers you're going to [TS]

00:59:31   scroll to your wife's name and tap it [TS]

00:59:33   with your thumb and isn't that better [TS]

00:59:34   you [TS]

00:59:34   oh alright i guess i don't need the [TS]

00:59:35   numbers anymore I you know there's [TS]

00:59:37   always something you're trading in [TS]

00:59:39   exchange for the thing you're familiar [TS]

00:59:40   with so I don't certainly hear you think [TS]

00:59:42   I think you will be you will be happy [TS]

00:59:44   with this transition once it comes with [TS]

00:59:46   also you know 10 years from now your BMW [TS]

00:59:49   by then we'll have a screen instead of [TS]

00:59:51   gauges and I think you'll like it [TS]

00:59:52   I only attending think probably three [TS]

00:59:54   years old but I'm assuming you're not [TS]

00:59:56   going to get a new BMW 3 years that's [TS]

00:59:58   the beauty of elisa we get [TS]

00:59:58   the beauty of elisa we get [TS]

01:00:00   isoball that's right you're gonna have [TS]

01:00:01   sometimes no but you did you buy the 1m [TS]

01:00:03   yes but the 1m cannot be my only car [TS]

01:00:07   because it does it's not really a [TS]

01:00:09   family-sized yeah that'll be able to [TS]

01:00:12   episode one other thing though I do [TS]

01:00:14   think it's important that our I do think [TS]

01:00:16   it's interesting that you know so right [TS]

01:00:19   now BMW has these cameras i know this is [TS]

01:00:21   all about BMW and everyone who hates BMW [TS]

01:00:23   probably isn't listening to the show [TS]

01:00:25   oh well anyway so they they put a camera [TS]

01:00:29   in basically the the front facing [TS]

01:00:32   surface of the rearview mirror in the [TS]

01:00:34   center so it looks out from the dash and [TS]

01:00:36   this camera has a number of things i [TS]

01:00:38   think it's the rain sensor i'm not sure [TS]

01:00:41   about that but by having right by having [TS]

01:00:44   this camera at least you know it if it [TS]

01:00:46   isn't enter its next to the rain sensor [TS]

01:00:47   but by having that by having a forward [TS]

01:00:49   looking camera in you know looking [TS]

01:00:52   forward at all times and with image [TS]

01:00:54   processing software behind it [TS]

01:00:55   they've added multiple features so one [TS]

01:00:57   of them is that speed limit thing one of [TS]

01:00:59   them i delayed departure from I forget [TS]

01:01:02   whether you use the side cameras or the [TS]

01:01:04   anyway might be late departure another [TS]

01:01:06   thing added is the the headlight the [TS]

01:01:09   automatic brights thing where it will [TS]

01:01:12   automatically turn down your high beams [TS]

01:01:15   or your brights if if a car is [TS]

01:01:17   approaching and it it sees that it sees [TS]

01:01:20   the the white lights in the field of [TS]

01:01:22   view from the oncoming car so it'll turn [TS]

01:01:24   off your high beams for you and then [TS]

01:01:26   turn the back on when the car is gone [TS]

01:01:28   there'll be a much better future for [TS]

01:01:29   turned off the other guys brights it [TS]

01:01:31   haha that's what i like it i think it's [TS]

01:01:34   like they they say they said okay you [TS]

01:01:36   know for one or two features we have to [TS]

01:01:38   add this front looking camera and now [TS]

01:01:41   now with just simple software tweaks we [TS]

01:01:44   can now do the other cool things with [TS]

01:01:45   that information so i think over time [TS]

01:01:47   that's going to be really exciting is as [TS]

01:01:50   cars are getting these additional inputs [TS]

01:01:53   and computers that are very [TS]

01:01:54   sophisticated that can process things [TS]

01:01:57   with these inputs and do clever things [TS]

01:01:58   with them i think that's where we're [TS]

01:02:01   going to see major advantage major [TS]

01:02:03   advances and safety and convenience and [TS]

01:02:05   just cool stuff because you know [TS]

01:02:08   software can be used their two great [TS]

01:02:10   benefit without losing much you know [TS]

01:02:12   like what if [TS]

01:02:13   forward looking camera what if if you [TS]

01:02:15   had an accident it's saved the last 20 [TS]

01:02:17   seconds or whatever was just happening [TS]

01:02:19   for you so you could look at it on video [TS]

01:02:21   like what everybody doesn't Russians [TS]

01:02:22   that because of widespread insurance [TS]

01:02:24   fraud right like like there's all sorts [TS]

01:02:26   of love tech solution [TS]

01:02:27   yeah I've been actually amazed at how [TS]

01:02:28   quickly that stuff is going because i'm [TS]

01:02:30   always thinking about because it is such [TS]

01:02:32   a little society i'm always thinking [TS]

01:02:33   about okay well they'll do that but they [TS]

01:02:35   won't do this because they'll just get [TS]

01:02:36   sued but I'm you know you mentioned all [TS]

01:02:38   those things like Lane Departure the the [TS]

01:02:41   laser ratio radar cruise control laser [TS]

01:02:43   cruise control now augmented with [TS]

01:02:45   cameras Volvo's got a car that will come [TS]

01:02:47   to a complete stop to prevent you from [TS]

01:02:49   hitting a pedestrian like without you [TS]

01:02:50   doing anything and then you know [TS]

01:02:51   eventually solve traffic lights out into [TS]

01:02:53   Google self-driving cars but you know [TS]

01:02:55   Google self-driving cars fine i guess [TS]

01:02:57   California that's google is limited [TS]

01:02:59   whatever but all these things like the [TS]

01:03:00   volvo things you're talking about a [TS]

01:03:02   Mercedes and BMW you can buy cars [TS]

01:03:04   without stuck now and that's just like [TS]

01:03:06   that's not those are little things like [TS]

01:03:08   they will I think the volvo will [TS]

01:03:09   actually steer for you too because they [TS]

01:03:10   have electrical power steering and like [TS]

01:03:12   your steering wheel is no longer [TS]

01:03:13   connected you know to the wheels and so [TS]

01:03:15   they can you know that they'll apply the [TS]

01:03:16   brakes they will turn they will spring [TS]

01:03:18   the card to a complete stop [TS]

01:03:20   that's you know about things that affect [TS]

01:03:22   safety the computer literally has [TS]

01:03:24   control of the car right and I know how [TS]

01:03:26   the you know million fail-safes and and [TS]

01:03:28   you know something i don't like their [TS]

01:03:29   fearless leap allowing for with features [TS]

01:03:31   that seemed much more dangerous to me [TS]

01:03:32   then you know something as simple as [TS]

01:03:34   always the gauge cluster that might be a [TS]

01:03:36   slightly less reliable or whatever so [TS]

01:03:38   maybe the scuffle advanced more quickly [TS]

01:03:39   than I think but like I said they were [TS]

01:03:42   you know they were doing these things [TS]

01:03:43   with the no automatic distance following [TS]

01:03:45   thing with relatively primitive [TS]

01:03:47   technology that Mercedes for systemic [TS]

01:03:49   forget therefore systems laser radar but [TS]

01:03:51   these Raiders primitive it was like cold [TS]

01:03:53   war are you know silliness right [TS]

01:03:55   no cameras no anything like that and [TS]

01:03:58   like they did it and they pulled it off [TS]

01:03:59   and I'm sure was credit whatever but now [TS]

01:04:01   that they're on there like six [TS]

01:04:02   generation of that in their high-end to [TS]

01:04:04   be fairly still use radar [TS]

01:04:06   well yeah I'm sure they have cameras out [TS]

01:04:09   the wazoo and those things today it may [TS]

01:04:10   still may still be radar but i'm sure it [TS]

01:04:13   is supposed to be a much more [TS]

01:04:14   sophisticated like what you want to see [TS]

01:04:15   I've always wanted this in the car [TS]

01:04:16   you put a lot of video games you know [TS]

01:04:18   this driving in a video game when you're [TS]

01:04:20   outside the car like a third person [TS]

01:04:22   camera floating above behind the car [TS]

01:04:24   it's so much easier to do things because [TS]

01:04:26   you have liked more situational [TS]

01:04:27   awareness you know if you're racing game [TS]

01:04:29   you know the guys like behind the left [TS]

01:04:31   going to speed like you you can see [TS]

01:04:33   everything around you when you're [TS]

01:04:34   driving in the car it's much harder to [TS]

01:04:35   have good situational awareness about [TS]

01:04:37   where the other cars are where obstacles [TS]

01:04:39   are what their velocities are relative [TS]

01:04:41   to you right [TS]

01:04:42   so if you could have a display on the [TS]

01:04:44   screen that would show you in no [TS]

01:04:46   uncertain terms that there was like a [TS]

01:04:48   you know a car coming up in the lane to [TS]

01:04:50   your left going you know twice your [TS]

01:04:51   speed and you were thinking about [TS]

01:04:52   changing into that Lane you know the [TS]

01:04:54   computer can warn you that it's here you [TS]

01:04:56   can see that it's there or even just [TS]

01:04:57   some sort of red light that comes on out [TS]

01:04:58   of your peripheral vision you know maybe [TS]

01:05:00   don't change that way now because you're [TS]

01:05:01   getting at rear ended at 80 miles an [TS]

01:05:03   hour by this crazy probably have that [TS]

01:05:04   now it's and it's very very popular and [TS]

01:05:07   it's and it actually does i think save a [TS]

01:05:09   lot of accidents [TS]

01:05:10   yeah I know but instead like that that [TS]

01:05:12   type of stuff is that the things you can [TS]

01:05:14   do that with with screens and software [TS]

01:05:17   that you just could not do with any sort [TS]

01:05:18   of physical equivalent type thing and [TS]

01:05:21   you know I if the parallel parking [TS]

01:05:23   things [TS]

01:05:23   yeah that's it would guess that this [TS]

01:05:26   leads to self-driving cars like well it [TS]

01:05:28   is flexible parallel park itself for you [TS]

01:05:30   isn't that great but you know that mean [TS]

01:05:32   no one's ever gonna learn to parallel [TS]

01:05:33   park again but then you can argue that [TS]

01:05:35   no one has no knows how to do that now [TS]

01:05:36   anyway so it'll be a blessing [TS]

01:05:39   yeah i just think we have to look [TS]

01:05:40   forward to a world of a bunch of [TS]

01:05:42   Alexis's driving the way lettuce was [TS]

01:05:45   programmed to drive that will be bill [TS]

01:05:48   still be an improvement [TS]

01:05:49   I still say that these computers will [TS]

01:05:50   drive minute on the average human driver [TS]

01:05:52   i want to tear only possible exception [TS]

01:05:55   of I was thinking the other day about [TS]

01:05:57   on-ramp emerging algorithms if I was the [TS]

01:06:00   programmer what kind of algorithm that [TS]

01:06:02   you put in to get a car to merge onto a [TS]

01:06:04   highway and not be annoying [TS]

01:06:07   I think that's probably the greatest [TS]

01:06:08   challenge now that most a lot of people [TS]

01:06:10   are going to but computers like yeah [TS]

01:06:13   they're not that's going to be one of [TS]

01:06:14   the harder things to work on and you're [TS]

01:06:17   always going to have that one guy who's [TS]

01:06:19   in some like ancient buick who goes up [TS]

01:06:22   the ramp at 30 miles an hour and goes to [TS]

01:06:25   the very very end of the entrance lane [TS]

01:06:27   and just sways himself in there just as [TS]

01:06:30   the lane ends uses the lane working like [TS]

01:06:32   a funnel is do whatever is there well [TS]

01:06:36   well better than the BMW driver that pet [TS]

01:06:38   that passes that marker and then goes on [TS]

01:06:41   the shoulder because he or she is more [TS]

01:06:43   important than anyone else on the road [TS]

01:06:44   then they get a flat tire from the [TS]

01:06:46   debris on the shoulder that's how that [TS]

01:06:47   works [TS]

01:06:48   test out those run-flats hey that's a [TS]

01:06:52   good one and I said yeah I think we're [TS]

01:06:55   good [TS]