8: Three James Mays


00:00:00   hey we strongly huge week [TS]

00:00:04   not much has a car show it's a fast week [TS]

00:00:06   that's just going to have to be [TS]

00:00:09   described in terms of speed and [TS]

00:00:10   horsepower and and all of those like you [TS]

00:00:14   know gearhead type of factors torque [TS]

00:00:16   lots of to work on the show or if you're [TS]

00:00:19   Jeremy Clarkson torques yeah I was I was [TS]

00:00:22   I saw there was somebody on Twitter I I [TS]

00:00:24   should probably know this but I don't [TS]

00:00:26   know who who earlier today and give us a [TS]

00:00:30   link to this itunes podcast they said [TS]

00:00:33   this is like John syracuse review in [TS]

00:00:34   cars here it's called called driving [TS]

00:00:37   sports TV HD and I guess the site is [TS]

00:00:40   driving sports.com and everything about [TS]

00:00:44   it looks like the description and [TS]

00:00:46   everything it looks like the complete [TS]

00:00:49   opposite of John syracuse reviewing car [TS]

00:00:51   and like if you actually like I just [TS]

00:00:54   watched the quickly watch the one on the [TS]

00:00:56   audi s5 and once you actually get into [TS]

00:01:00   the episode and you see the guy talking [TS]

00:01:02   he he is like a kind of smart smart guy [TS]

00:01:07   kind of car review or like it's not like [TS]

00:01:08   the super octane [TS]

00:01:09   lowest-common-denominator like things [TS]

00:01:11   that were created by somebody who [TS]

00:01:13   doesn't really care about cars to fill a [TS]

00:01:14   market segment you know it's not that [TS]

00:01:16   kind of thing at all but the description [TS]

00:01:18   the name of it driving sports TV HD like [TS]

00:01:21   than the name of it and the description [TS]

00:01:23   from the newest cars to the hottest [TS]

00:01:25   events driving sports TV is your [TS]

00:01:27   high-definition connection to the [TS]

00:01:28   fast-moving automotive world exclusive [TS]

00:01:30   content produced by automotive [TS]

00:01:32   journalists feature in car test [TS]

00:01:33   motorsports autotech and more like does [TS]

00:01:36   that sound anything like John siracusa [TS]

00:01:37   no not at all [TS]

00:01:39   it sounds like John siracusa with a [TS]

00:01:41   publisher mine would probably be like [TS]

00:01:43   publicist excuse me dear watch motorWeek [TS]

00:01:45   I don't think so no I was it originally [TS]

00:01:48   i'm paid PBS back and it's still on air [TS]

00:01:50   injection like it's that show is still [TS]

00:01:53   on air reviewing current cards which [TS]

00:01:55   boggles my mind but I with PBS I want [TS]

00:01:57   you [TS]

00:01:58   yeah that was like the most dry kind of [TS]

00:02:01   not trying to be entertaining in any way [TS]

00:02:04   like they would they would show the same [TS]

00:02:06   video of like the head shoulders and [TS]

00:02:09   body of a guy getting into a car and [TS]

00:02:10   buckling the seatbelt and moving the [TS]

00:02:12   seat forward [TS]

00:02:13   fiddling with the controls on the [TS]

00:02:15   dashboard and they would describe it as [TS]

00:02:16   kind of like a video consumer reports if [TS]

00:02:21   you can imagine such a thing [TS]

00:02:22   this is yeah is this the one with the [TS]

00:02:24   oddly named x editor of car driver like [TS]

00:02:27   chubby chubby or something now he is [TS]

00:02:29   he's actually an interesting person in [TS]

00:02:31   this show did not gonna look at who's [TS]

00:02:33   who's on the show always mills maryland [TS]

00:02:36   maryland 2117 so I know that address off [TS]

00:02:39   the top of my head what I don't know [TS]

00:02:43   what you got to talk to me now I don't [TS]

00:02:45   even know it out google 4000 wingsss [TS]

00:02:48   owings mills maryland i think i think [TS]

00:02:52   it's funny like when we first started [TS]

00:02:53   doing this show how because we were [TS]

00:02:56   three guys doing a car show everyone [TS]

00:02:58   tried to figure out which top gear [TS]

00:03:00   presenter each one of us would represent [TS]

00:03:03   and of course I'm talking about the [TS]

00:03:04   British will not the US won because [TS]

00:03:06   we're you know for real people here and [TS]

00:03:08   and you know everybody tried to kind of [TS]

00:03:11   crammed us in there but I think what's [TS]

00:03:13   what's interesting and the reason why [TS]

00:03:15   that doesn't work is you know on top [TS]

00:03:17   gear you have these three very different [TS]

00:03:20   personalities i'm pretty sure though [TS]

00:03:22   among the cast here at neutral that we [TS]

00:03:25   are all just James may I all three of us [TS]

00:03:29   were just three James Mays and i think i [TS]

00:03:31   think the difference in the mood between [TS]

00:03:33   the show and top gear probably indicates [TS]

00:03:36   whitetop year doesn't just have three [TS]

00:03:38   James me hates yeah and it's funny to me [TS]

00:03:40   that that everyone who seemed to set [TS]

00:03:43   when they when they tried to associate [TS]

00:03:44   us with the top your cast it seemed that [TS]

00:03:47   everyone felt like John is James May and [TS]

00:03:50   given your physical stature you [TS]

00:03:52   immediately became hammond and then by [TS]

00:03:55   you're running out of other options IM [TS]

00:03:58   Clarkson right [TS]

00:04:00   really that's what I'm telling myself it [TS]

00:04:02   we also have a little bits of each of [TS]

00:04:04   the people in us we all have a little [TS]

00:04:05   bit of the nerdy James May apart and I [TS]

00:04:07   think even like Jeremy is very [TS]

00:04:10   opinionated about cars often with no [TS]

00:04:12   real foundation and no foundation in [TS]

00:04:15   logic is just kind of like his gut [TS]

00:04:16   feeling and we all have some of that [TS]

00:04:18   about all are you know whatever little [TS]

00:04:20   part of cars that were interested in we [TS]

00:04:22   have that sort of gut feeling and [TS]

00:04:24   Hammond is more of like a [TS]

00:04:26   twelve-year-old maybe hell yeah like a [TS]

00:04:30   like a wide-eyed kind of fascination and [TS]

00:04:33   he's not interested in the technical [TS]

00:04:34   details and he doesn't ruminate and [TS]

00:04:37   think hard about the gut feeling of what [TS]

00:04:38   how car should be he just gets excited [TS]

00:04:40   by whatever gets them excited so I think [TS]

00:04:43   there's a little piece of all those [TS]

00:04:44   presenters as they call them in all of [TS]

00:04:47   these I think what bothered me about [TS]

00:04:48   being compared all the time to hammond [TS]

00:04:50   or being guests to be hand and is that [TS]

00:04:53   I'd really don't like American cars at [TS]

00:04:54   all like I I really strongly dislike [TS]

00:04:57   american cars and I i really don't [TS]

00:04:59   intend to ever own one [TS]

00:05:00   yeah but if you had grown up in England [TS]

00:05:02   would you like American cars because [TS]

00:05:04   then it would be it would be these [TS]

00:05:05   strange different exotic thing you know [TS]

00:05:08   what I mean I don't you want me to think [TS]

00:05:09   all my friends like the whatever they [TS]

00:05:11   like but I i mean i like different [TS]

00:05:13   things you know i mean i have to cross [TS]

00:05:15   some water to get to Germany to yeah [TS]

00:05:17   well actually the the i agree with what [TS]

00:05:21   you said John but a couple years ago [TS]

00:05:23   actually surprised several years ago now [TS]

00:05:24   Clarkson did a mini-series on inventions [TS]

00:05:28   that changed the world and it was an [TS]

00:05:30   unbelievably good miniseries where he [TS]

00:05:32   investigated like the history and [TS]

00:05:34   stories behind several different things [TS]

00:05:35   and Marco you've seen it right course [TS]

00:05:37   have you haven't seen this John I've [TS]

00:05:40   seen changes amazed I stories which is [TS]

00:05:42   also excellent but now it is not the [TS]

00:05:44   same in what's interesting to me about [TS]

00:05:46   Clarkson is I agree that he is very non [TS]

00:05:49   cerebral I don't think anyway and that [TS]

00:05:51   he's just very much from the gut but he [TS]

00:05:54   has an unbelievable appreciation for [TS]

00:05:56   engineering and for technology and in [TS]

00:05:58   fact I think he was on like the last [TS]

00:06:00   flight of the conchords airplane he did [TS]

00:06:04   it he did one of the inventions that [TS]

00:06:05   changed the world episodes was on the [TS]

00:06:07   jet engine another one is on the [TS]

00:06:08   computer i forget what the other ones [TS]

00:06:11   were off the top of my head gunpowder i [TS]

00:06:12   believe is one but they were you'll have [TS]

00:06:14   to dig one up John there there dig them [TS]

00:06:16   up i should say that they're really [TS]

00:06:17   really good there about an hour peace [TS]

00:06:19   and they're really thoughtful in it [TS]

00:06:21   exposed to side of Clarkson that I don't [TS]

00:06:23   think I had been privy to previously [TS]

00:06:26   meanwhile james may's toy stories expose [TS]

00:06:28   exactly what you expect [TS]

00:06:32   yeah I I don't understand celebrity and [TS]

00:06:35   in England I don't understand how that [TS]

00:06:39   works are I mean our why these people [TS]

00:06:42   are celebrities as opposed to like all [TS]

00:06:46   the other enemy that they're interesting [TS]

00:06:47   and their personal or whatever but I [TS]

00:06:48   guess we just used to an America with a [TS]

00:06:50   larger pool of people to choose from [TS]

00:06:52   there's always something superlative [TS]

00:06:54   about someone that's widely known in a [TS]

00:06:56   celebrity and they're usually very very [TS]

00:06:58   good-looking no matter what other thing [TS]

00:07:00   about them is interesting you know what [TS]

00:07:02   I mean anything with with England like [TS]

00:07:04   because it is so few people there it is [TS]

00:07:08   more like it's like like the best people [TS]

00:07:10   you'd find in the u.s. to do like a [TS]

00:07:12   national news broadcast [TS]

00:07:14   you got a pretty big pool of people to [TS]

00:07:16   pick from there in England it's more [TS]

00:07:18   like the best people you'd find in the [TS]

00:07:20   new york metro area for Rhode Island [TS]

00:07:22   floor like Philadelphia like it's it's [TS]

00:07:24   really like it's I don't even know i [TS]

00:07:26   think somebody once told me about side [TS]

00:07:27   of Philadelphia's that is that accurate [TS]

00:07:29   anyway they're like my population [TS]

00:07:31   something like that it it's you know [TS]

00:07:33   it's about the size of like a [TS]

00:07:34   medium-sized or medium to large American [TS]

00:07:37   city so it's like it's more like just [TS]

00:07:39   what it's more like the local local [TS]

00:07:42   talent pool of a good-sized City I can't [TS]

00:07:47   imagine that's actually accurate because [TS]

00:07:48   London alone is huge now it's 66 million [TS]

00:07:51   for the UK is a pretty big sorry [TS]

00:07:55   yeah but I get what you're saying but [TS]

00:07:57   you were going for here is that in the [TS]

00:07:59   land of the blind the one-eyed man is [TS]

00:08:00   king like one state then yeah fun stuff [TS]

00:08:05   and even topics today i have a few I i [TS]

00:08:09   have my pocket topic of hawai i like [TS]

00:08:12   hondas which takes like two minutes and [TS]

00:08:14   then you could say why you're like the [TS]

00:08:15   cars that you like I'm yeah I'm curious [TS]

00:08:17   let's get let's do it like a weekend we [TS]

00:08:18   interrupt can we do some follow-up well [TS]

00:08:21   you can just followed by what can I do [TS]

00:08:22   some follow-up with whatever you know I [TS]

00:08:25   was right about something [TS]

00:08:26   darn it we have gotten a surprisingly [TS]

00:08:29   small amount of feedback regarding my [TS]

00:08:32   obsession with backing into parking [TS]

00:08:33   spots you knew it was coming I can hear [TS]

00:08:34   you guys sign even though i can't hear [TS]

00:08:36   you sign in it was interesting to me [TS]

00:08:39   because I expected a fewer of people [TS]

00:08:41   explaining how much more on a.m. and [TS]

00:08:42   there was certainly some of that but [TS]

00:08:44   there was also a decent amount of people [TS]

00:08:45   saying that I'm not an idiot in one in [TS]

00:08:47   particular [TS]

00:08:48   let me find this email this person asked [TS]

00:08:52   not to be named so i will not name them [TS]

00:08:54   but it's a fairly short email and i [TS]

00:08:55   think pretty well summarized how i feel [TS]

00:08:57   i found this topic on reverse parking [TS]

00:09:00   into base basis an interesting topic [TS]

00:09:02   although i would completely disagree [TS]

00:09:03   with both mark and John and obviously [TS]

00:09:05   I'm immediately endeared to this email [TS]

00:09:07   as a person will always reverse into a [TS]

00:09:09   parking space i base my reasoning on [TS]

00:09:10   this for safety in my opinion by [TS]

00:09:12   reversing into a space you're always in [TS]

00:09:13   a situation where you can safely and [TS]

00:09:15   easily see what other cars are and [TS]

00:09:17   causing less of a hazard to others when [TS]

00:09:19   backing you are able to manipulate and [TS]

00:09:20   control the traffic with your verse [TS]

00:09:22   maneuver spelled oddly i think it's like [TS]

00:09:24   the european spelling anyway with full [TS]

00:09:27   visibility of what other drivers are [TS]

00:09:29   doing this is then the same when exiting [TS]

00:09:32   as you are in an optimum situation for [TS]

00:09:34   seeing what other cars are and when it's [TS]

00:09:35   free to pull out into traffic and I [TS]

00:09:37   thought that was a pretty good summary [TS]

00:09:38   of something that several other people [TS]

00:09:39   sent as well and how I feel about things [TS]

00:09:42   a selection bias though because the vast [TS]

00:09:44   majority of people listening heard you [TS]

00:09:46   were nodding your head hurt you give [TS]

00:09:48   your crazy idea heard me Marco shoot [TS]

00:09:50   down so while you're working on that you [TS]

00:09:52   need to do the only people you're going [TS]

00:09:53   to get other people are like who want to [TS]

00:09:55   fight against this injustice [TS]

00:09:57   maybe you're absolutely right totally [TS]

00:09:58   you know yeah i responded to a couple of [TS]

00:10:00   feedback things I didn't I don't see you [TS]

00:10:03   guys when I response was talking to the [TS]

00:10:04   listener really and we had a [TS]

00:10:06   back-and-forth with them and what one [TS]

00:10:08   person i forgot where they were from [TS]

00:10:09   saying that it was it was very common [TS]

00:10:11   where they were and I think if that [TS]

00:10:14   makes a difference if it if it's common [TS]

00:10:15   where you are all the things about [TS]

00:10:17   blocking up traffic and annoying people [TS]

00:10:19   and potentially getting into accidents [TS]

00:10:20   for people who don't realize that you've [TS]

00:10:22   stopped there now backing up because [TS]

00:10:23   they're not paying attention or go for [TS]

00:10:25   the same spot that you're going forward [TS]

00:10:26   your end of colliding like that got that [TS]

00:10:28   almost goes away if everybody is backing [TS]

00:10:30   in all the time but that is not the case [TS]

00:10:32   in the u.s. everybody is not back in so [TS]

00:10:33   when you back in you are hazards other [TS]

00:10:35   people you're ignoring them by blocking [TS]

00:10:36   up the area and they're not going to [TS]

00:10:38   notice that you're doing this they're [TS]

00:10:39   not going to notice your your your [TS]

00:10:41   backup lights come on they're just gonna [TS]

00:10:42   Ram you because i'm not paying attention [TS]

00:10:44   to texting their friends are going to go [TS]

00:10:45   for the spot that I think you drove past [TS]

00:10:47   it and that's why still kc you should [TS]

00:10:49   not be back in scoring spot unless you [TS]

00:10:51   move to another country where everybody [TS]

00:10:52   does it in which case go nuts and and [TS]

00:10:54   you can't come certainly can't come here [TS]

00:10:56   because here want [TS]

00:10:57   we didn't mention yet because I i assume [TS]

00:11:00   you know people who have this problem [TS]

00:11:01   just never even consider any other [TS]

00:11:02   option is if you're parking spots are [TS]

00:11:04   set on an angle a larger where you were [TS]

00:11:07   usually that just means you know that [TS]

00:11:09   each each lane and a lot has a one-way [TS]

00:11:11   restriction on how you can drive and you [TS]

00:11:13   can only pull straight in [TS]

00:11:15   I'm you know because usually just an [TS]

00:11:16   angle to save space [TS]

00:11:18   it's just hate to save overall width of [TS]

00:11:20   how wide that Lane can be in places [TS]

00:11:22   where you have tight spaces like older [TS]

00:11:24   cities and and just dense areas that [TS]

00:11:27   somehow still have parking spots and and [TS]

00:11:30   so yeah like if you're if you have [TS]

00:11:31   selected parking spot you you kind of [TS]

00:11:33   can't pull in or at least without being [TS]

00:11:35   totally ridiculous and that drives me [TS]

00:11:37   nuts when I see people do that and more [TS]

00:11:38   will like it they'll see doesn't pull [TS]

00:11:40   through and pull through but they're [TS]

00:11:41   facing the wrong way right now known as [TS]

00:11:43   allowed and they're screwed right right [TS]

00:11:45   and that's my point so even as a [TS]

00:11:46   developed backer inner guy thing I that [TS]

00:11:50   still drives me crazy so John what do [TS]

00:11:52   you like on too so much [TS]

00:11:54   yeah I should have written up stuff for [TS]

00:11:57   this but it's not doing it [TS]

00:11:59   oh that's the spirit yeah so the first [TS]

00:12:03   thing is that the whole reason ever get [TS]

00:12:05   into and is the same reason most people [TS]

00:12:06   get into anything is like you just you [TS]

00:12:08   just fall into it because you know in [TS]

00:12:09   case of cars it's like you know what [TS]

00:12:11   youre happened to buy your first car in [TS]

00:12:12   my case it's what your parents have some [TS]

00:12:14   of my parents had a big minivan for the [TS]

00:12:16   whole family and then we had at the time [TS]

00:12:19   I i got my license we have a smaller car [TS]

00:12:22   smaller second card was a honda civic [TS]

00:12:24   and that eventually got added to with it [TS]

00:12:27   or replace with integra when I took the [TS]

00:12:29   specific but that was the first honda [TS]

00:12:31   that our family didn't have before that [TS]

00:12:32   it was a series of okay we got a bunch [TS]

00:12:35   of american cars you got a Volvo in [TS]

00:12:37   there always will be ill pontiac [TS]

00:12:39   volkswagen rabbit like all sorts of [TS]

00:12:41   things but this is the very first honda [TS]

00:12:42   that I'd ever come in contact with so i [TS]

00:12:44   feel like i had a good experience of the [TS]

00:12:47   range of kind of cars that you could [TS]

00:12:48   have both the cars and my parents owned [TS]

00:12:50   and relatives that I had written in so [TS]

00:12:52   the things that are distinct about a [TS]

00:12:55   hundred stood out to me because I guess [TS]

00:12:57   the only other car had you know the [TS]

00:12:59   Volvo has its own sort of [TS]

00:13:01   characteristics which are kind of exotic [TS]

00:13:04   and weird and the Volkswagen is a little [TS]

00:13:07   bit exotic but the rest of the images [TS]

00:13:08   series of American car so the honda [TS]

00:13:09   really stood out to me [TS]

00:13:10   wow this car is different than the other [TS]

00:13:12   cars that we've gotten up because it's [TS]

00:13:14   new or anything but just because the [TS]

00:13:15   value system that made it is different [TS]

00:13:16   and the things that stood out to me [TS]

00:13:18   about the honda and this is what we [TS]

00:13:20   talked about 9,200 i'm going to talk [TS]

00:13:22   about where honda lost its way started [TS]

00:13:24   to stray from the things that i love [TS]

00:13:25   about it where that they the trade-offs [TS]

00:13:29   that made one is that they decided if [TS]

00:13:32   there's a choice between lightness and [TS]

00:13:36   heaviness go with lightness so lots of [TS]

00:13:38   other cars we have a quieter because [TS]

00:13:40   they had no more sound-deadening [TS]

00:13:41   material or you know that sticker sheet [TS]

00:13:43   metal or just you know there was more [TS]

00:13:46   mass around them and everything [TS]

00:13:47   honda would pick the opposite which [TS]

00:13:50   produced a very lightweight car you know [TS]

00:13:52   some people think it's like a flimsy [TS]

00:13:53   feeling like if you're into american [TS]

00:13:54   cars you think I just feel flimsy [TS]

00:13:55   because everything is small and light [TS]

00:13:57   but i really like that and I that [TS]

00:13:58   extends to the controls the gearshift [TS]

00:14:00   you know very it's not a big chunky me [TS]

00:14:03   debe thing it's a very tiny little thing [TS]

00:14:06   that the clutch pedal was you know [TS]

00:14:08   almost like hitting the brake or gas [TS]

00:14:10   pedal incredibly light especially after [TS]

00:14:12   the Volvo which was the manual that I [TS]

00:14:13   learned on which was like a Nautilus [TS]

00:14:15   machine for your left leg unbelieving [TS]

00:14:17   offer for all 84 or 85 horsepower that [TS]

00:14:19   clutch had like her are ya [TS]

00:14:21   everything about it was just incredibly [TS]

00:14:22   light and even the steering which was no [TS]

00:14:24   I believe it was 92 Pacific slot power [TS]

00:14:26   steering but it was very light not over [TS]

00:14:29   boosted life but the whole car was like [TS]

00:14:30   I mean that little experience with see [TS]

00:14:32   no light in areas like wow this is like [TS]

00:14:34   a breath of fresh air the second thing [TS]

00:14:35   is this was a very common characteristic [TS]

00:14:37   for early honda's what they call locale [TS]

00:14:40   height which means like the height of [TS]

00:14:43   the dashboard and the hood and [TS]

00:14:45   everything in front of you but i don't [TS]

00:14:47   know like where-- where-- intersects [TS]

00:14:49   your eyeline basically you know when you [TS]

00:14:51   look down the front of the car at how [TS]

00:14:53   much can you see do you feel like you're [TS]

00:14:54   looking at the slower out of a slit in [TS]

00:14:56   the tank like that's that's something a [TS]

00:14:58   lot of American cars had not like the [TS]

00:14:59   muscle-car things where everything about [TS]

00:15:02   it is HEIs got high shoulders high [TS]

00:15:03   catalyzing you kind of look like it [TS]

00:15:05   looks great from the outside looks very [TS]

00:15:06   low-profile low-slung but you feel like [TS]

00:15:08   you're looking at a tiny little slit and [TS]

00:15:10   you can't really see the road in front [TS]

00:15:11   of you because you have this hood that's [TS]

00:15:12   blocking your view on it was the [TS]

00:15:14   opposite of it shoved everything down [TS]

00:15:16   and that produce dorky-looking cars they [TS]

00:15:19   produce cars look like you know that the [TS]

00:15:21   height of the door was very low in this [TS]

00:15:23   big expensive glass [TS]

00:15:24   this big tall bubble thing and in fact [TS]

00:15:26   that the sort of the apex of this [TS]

00:15:28   philosophy was the acura nsx which one [TS]

00:15:31   they were designing a sex one of the [TS]

00:15:33   design inspiration of this is one of my [TS]

00:15:35   11 of the best design inspirations I've [TS]

00:15:39   heard four carbons here to say our [TS]

00:15:40   design we were inspired by the wind or [TS]

00:15:42   some other you know PS there whatever [TS]

00:15:44   that they were inspired for the nsx by [TS]

00:15:47   the design of the f16 cockpit and the [TS]

00:15:50   f16 top it off you know the button is [TS]

00:15:52   this thing looks like yeah maybe [TS]

00:15:54   anyway thank you Mark ok Google one that [TS]

00:15:57   was designed so that there would be a [TS]

00:16:00   lot of this little power would have a [TS]

00:16:01   lot of visibility front back and all the [TS]

00:16:03   side so it was kind of like get the [TS]

00:16:05   plane down below and then make a bubble [TS]

00:16:07   sticking out of the plane that the [TS]

00:16:09   person sits in and you know you can see [TS]

00:16:11   back into the bubble besides like [TS]

00:16:12   everywhere you you have more more [TS]

00:16:14   visibility because you are sort of up on [TS]

00:16:17   a perch so the nsx was like get the car [TS]

00:16:19   down low out of the way and then put a [TS]

00:16:20   glass kind of bubble popping out of that [TS]

00:16:22   so that you have good visibility all [TS]

00:16:24   around which is again very counter to [TS]

00:16:26   the typical you know what kind of [TS]

00:16:28   visibility got out of a Lamborghini or [TS]

00:16:30   something where you you really are [TS]

00:16:31   looking through these tiny little slits [TS]

00:16:33   in your rear visibility is terrible [TS]

00:16:34   because it's like a wing back there in [TS]

00:16:35   the engine is back there and you can't [TS]

00:16:37   see anything [TS]

00:16:37   the nsx was consciously trying not to do [TS]

00:16:40   that and you look at a section and [TS]

00:16:41   profile you'll see flat kind of car [TS]

00:16:44   person as low as accountants and this [TS]

00:16:46   bubble on top of it so you can see back [TS]

00:16:48   front and the sides and all hondas were [TS]

00:16:50   like that it looks good to me a Saxon [TS]

00:16:52   looks very dorky and the other cars [TS]

00:16:53   because you really to see lots of [TS]

00:16:55   greenhouse and like a little cat little [TS]

00:16:57   miniature car squish down underneath [TS]

00:16:58   this giant greenhouse and I like the big [TS]

00:17:01   green house because it gives me head [TS]

00:17:01   class this is that this tiny little [TS]

00:17:03   Civic was the car that i had the most [TS]

00:17:04   Headroom in of all the cars that we had [TS]

00:17:06   ever owned all which were substantially [TS]

00:17:07   larger so i gave that a big thumbs up [TS]

00:17:10   and it was also this was before the d [TS]

00:17:16   content in crisis i think that's what [TS]

00:17:18   they called it of Japanese cars where I [TS]

00:17:20   don't know why I'm not going to [TS]

00:17:21   speculate on something something to [TS]

00:17:22   exchange rates or the Japanese economy [TS]

00:17:24   or whatever but it used to be the [TS]

00:17:25   Japanese cars could have all sorts of [TS]

00:17:26   stuff and then it was nice like still [TS]

00:17:28   selling of her reasonable price [TS]

00:17:30   there's a great economics lesson waving [TS]

00:17:32   my hand widely and later on I be it [TS]

00:17:36   they couldn't do that anymore ate it [TS]

00:17:37   cost them or they would have to sell [TS]

00:17:39   their car for much more money if they [TS]

00:17:40   put the same amount of stuff in it so [TS]

00:17:41   some examples from my city that had [TS]

00:17:44   talked about on hypercritical some point [TS]

00:17:45   or another the the civic the 92 civic [TS]

00:17:48   head a very small trunk is because I can [TS]

00:17:50   make it was very small at the opening [TS]

00:17:52   was very small out and when you lift up [TS]

00:17:54   the trunk lid it didn't have those [TS]

00:17:56   little gooseneck idea that was a total [TS]

00:17:58   episode introduce next didn't have those [TS]

00:17:59   little metal gooseneck things like that [TS]

00:18:02   connect the trunk to the back so when [TS]

00:18:03   you close those little things you know [TS]

00:18:05   intrude into the trunk very I crushed [TS]

00:18:07   her status right they had their little [TS]

00:18:10   struts little you know I think they're [TS]

00:18:11   automatic little air-filled struts [TS]

00:18:13   series of them you know a couple links [TS]

00:18:16   so that when you pull the lid up you [TS]

00:18:18   know we can open-close nicely but [TS]

00:18:19   nothing intrude into the trunk space and [TS]

00:18:22   that's more expensive to make and more [TS]

00:18:23   fragile and it more difficult to design [TS]

00:18:25   everything but they could afford to put [TS]

00:18:26   that in their cheapest of the cheapest [TS]

00:18:28   of the cheapest card that they made at [TS]

00:18:29   the time it was one side mirror you know [TS]

00:18:31   they couldn't afford a second sign here [TS]

00:18:32   but had that and that the cars were [TS]

00:18:35   designed to be like okay it's not going [TS]

00:18:36   to be expensive car but every part of [TS]

00:18:37   you put in is going to be nice and high [TS]

00:18:40   quality we're not going to cheap out in [TS]

00:18:42   something like that so that was that was [TS]

00:18:44   the honda that I love lightweight good [TS]

00:18:47   visibility locale height snappy feeling [TS]

00:18:51   small kind of almost delicate controls [TS]

00:18:54   and of course you know very reliable and [TS]

00:18:56   you know all the other good qualities [TS]

00:18:57   you want you don't you know you don't [TS]

00:18:59   want to be things you don't want things [TS]

00:19:00   to be falling apart you wanted things to [TS]

00:19:02   feel high quality of high quality as [TS]

00:19:04   they can in a cheap car and then in [TS]

00:19:06   subsequent years when the D contact me [TS]

00:19:08   began specific got a crappy trunk that [TS]

00:19:11   they the design of the car started to [TS]

00:19:13   creep up you start to get you know [TS]

00:19:14   higher and higher Heights some on the on [TS]

00:19:16   the doors and you know the dashboard [TS]

00:19:19   start to rise up the cars became a [TS]

00:19:21   little bit fatter and heavier both [TS]

00:19:22   styling wise and weight wise which [TS]

00:19:23   course happened to all cars at the same [TS]

00:19:26   time and I just felt like they were they [TS]

00:19:28   were leaving me behind the snappy little [TS]

00:19:29   shifter became just like a kind of [TS]

00:19:31   mediocre or naughty little shifter that [TS]

00:19:33   didn't feel snappy you know the steering [TS]

00:19:35   was still light but it didn't have as [TS]

00:19:38   much road feel and it you know just [TS]

00:19:39   started to get it started to go bad for [TS]

00:19:42   me I think they're coming back from that [TS]

00:19:44   now like that the court my god is like [TS]

00:19:46   the last acceptable court would have got [TS]

00:19:47   which is like 2007 [TS]

00:19:49   I would not have what I need the cord in [TS]

00:19:51   between and now the 2013 looks like it's [TS]

00:19:53   getting a Honda is back thumbs up but i [TS]

00:19:55   have to test drive myself and see have [TS]

00:19:57   they recaptured what I liked about [TS]

00:20:00   honda's or have or is it still you know [TS]

00:20:03   not as good as it used to be so what's [TS]

00:20:06   your alternative if you drive this thing [TS]

00:20:08   that the 2013 accord and you don't care [TS]

00:20:10   for it i don't know i mean before even [TS]

00:20:12   considering that when the the cords are [TS]

00:20:14   all terrible and you know the hardest i [TS]

00:20:16   didn't like the new Civic Center like [TS]

00:20:18   the chords that unless certainly didn't [TS]

00:20:19   like the crosstour and other things i [TS]

00:20:21   looked at all sorts of things like what [TS]

00:20:22   about a Volvo wagon I kind of you know I [TS]

00:20:24   do have a soft spot for vowels but volvo [TS]

00:20:26   is you know going nowhere fast and volvo [TS]

00:20:30   SuperDuper expensive i looked at the [TS]

00:20:32   Subarus but I just I couldn't haha i [TS]

00:20:35   like it i don't i don't like their [TS]

00:20:37   styling I don't like I've driven by my [TS]

00:20:41   friends have a super drove his I don't [TS]

00:20:42   like how they are you know I don't like [TS]

00:20:44   the sound of the engines make me come as [TS]

00:20:46   light as they're not like that i was [TS]

00:20:49   looking for the four-wheel-drive aspect [TS]

00:20:50   right if you know it it's basically like [TS]

00:20:53   if I i don't i don't want a toyota the [TS]

00:20:56   the the new bigger passat is kind of [TS]

00:21:00   like the big bloated record that I [TS]

00:21:02   didn't like [TS]

00:21:03   so I don't know I was kind of stuck [TS]

00:21:04   between a rock and a hard place like the [TS]

00:21:08   baby i would have to spend a lot more [TS]

00:21:09   money i feel like is that the accord is [TS]

00:21:11   a reasonably priced car that I hoping [TS]

00:21:15   that I would like and if I don't what [TS]

00:21:16   what other alternatives to have for a [TS]

00:21:18   car that will actually like I don't know [TS]

00:21:19   if it's gonna it's gonna cost a lot more [TS]

00:21:20   the nsx yeah it doesn't really hold two [TS]

00:21:24   kids that well now you can you can be [TS]

00:21:27   creative and I'm sure to figure [TS]

00:21:28   something out [TS]

00:21:29   yeah you're an engineer think i like how [TS]

00:21:34   you know you see how the the visibility [TS]

00:21:37   out of the car is so important to you [TS]

00:21:39   because it is for me too and that ruins [TS]

00:21:41   a lot of cars for me when that's bad and [TS]

00:21:44   and like because I'm not a tall guy I'm [TS]

00:21:46   like I'm like 5-6 so I but i like having [TS]

00:21:51   good visibility so what I usually do is [TS]

00:21:54   have my seat raised up as usually to the [TS]

00:21:58   highest that it will go in or very close [TS]

00:22:00   to that that also helps [TS]

00:22:02   I used to have a back problem from [TS]

00:22:04   driving too much for a while ahead i had [TS]

00:22:06   a herniated lower disk and one of the [TS]

00:22:08   better ways to sit if you have back [TS]

00:22:10   problems or to avoid back problems is to [TS]

00:22:13   make it so that your butt is not lower [TS]

00:22:17   than your knees more than it has to be [TS]

00:22:19   so in some cars this is easier than [TS]

00:22:22   others in big like vans and trucks you [TS]

00:22:24   sit so much higher up that usually this [TS]

00:22:26   is significantly easier but in cars you [TS]

00:22:29   know the the kind of lousy seating [TS]

00:22:31   position that a lot of people prefer for [TS]

00:22:33   short-term comfort is basically like [TS]

00:22:36   your butt is almost on the floor your [TS]

00:22:39   knees are up above it and your kind of [TS]

00:22:40   leading back diagonally and that is that [TS]

00:22:43   is the worst thing you can do to your [TS]

00:22:44   back and eventually this will catch up [TS]

00:22:46   to you could if you don't have a lot or [TS]

00:22:48   if you set that was the seating position [TS]

00:22:50   in my 92 civic the seats for like [TS]

00:22:51   basically on the floor and and you know [TS]

00:22:54   and then I your feet were out in front [TS]

00:22:55   of you your feet there isn't going down [TS]

00:22:57   into the the footwell for the pedals it [TS]

00:22:59   was just going forward so well and i [TS]

00:23:01   love this because this was a car with my [TS]

00:23:03   hair didn't hit the headliner and you're [TS]

00:23:04   heading the headliner doesn't like a big [TS]

00:23:06   deal that annoys the hell out of you if [TS]

00:23:08   your hair is like you know I'm the [TS]

00:23:10   little felt you know mouse for headliner [TS]

00:23:11   it just drives you insane so believe it [TS]

00:23:14   or not that is actually have had that [TS]

00:23:16   problem but you wouldn't you would never [TS]

00:23:18   guess knowing me I was not being as tall [TS]

00:23:20   as you but because I put the seat so [TS]

00:23:22   high i have occasionally had that [TS]

00:23:24   problem and and believe me I know how [TS]

00:23:26   annoying it is and in fact like when i [TS]

00:23:28   was doing that that uh that M racing day [TS]

00:23:31   you had to wear a race helmet in the [TS]

00:23:34   cars and I had to sit significantly [TS]

00:23:36   lower than i usually do because my [TS]

00:23:37   helmet was hitting the ceiling and [TS]

00:23:40   suppose the head like way worse [TS]

00:23:41   visibility than I usually do not because [TS]

00:23:43   wearing a helmet but because i couldn't [TS]

00:23:45   put the seat up I enough but yeah and so [TS]

00:23:47   like that that's one of the reasons why [TS]

00:23:49   I got the 1m because I don't really have [TS]

00:23:51   any desire for what most people consider [TS]

00:23:54   like sports cars like this the compact [TS]

00:23:58   like roadster style or the supercars are [TS]

00:24:00   very low to the ground [TS]

00:24:02   I don't I don't feel comfortable in [TS]

00:24:03   those I don't like driving those I don't [TS]

00:24:05   like even writing them very much as [TS]

00:24:06   eight you're just like hugging the [TS]

00:24:08   ground and I know there's lots of [TS]

00:24:10   reasons why i should like that you know [TS]

00:24:12   it feels faster looks cooler it's way [TS]

00:24:14   more aerodynamic the cars are smaller [TS]

00:24:16   that there's there's a lot of reasons to [TS]

00:24:18   like that but i don't i'm not the kind [TS]

00:24:20   of person who likes it and so I would [TS]

00:24:21   just say that I make an exception for [TS]

00:24:23   visibility complaints for ferrari so [TS]

00:24:25   funny 171 please do not refrain from [TS]

00:24:28   sending on i will accept almost no [TS]

00:24:30   visibility whatsoever out of these cars [TS]

00:24:32   in exchange for driving line that's [TS]

00:24:35   thicker but like you but you would you [TS]

00:24:37   want to own one assuming that you're [TS]

00:24:39   that you're dented roof problem went [TS]

00:24:40   away [TS]

00:24:40   ya know if you've given infinite money [TS]

00:24:43   the car i will get would get would be a [TS]

00:24:45   Ferrari no question it's already it's [TS]

00:24:46   all planned out even with the poor [TS]

00:24:47   visibility and you and your hair hitting [TS]

00:24:49   the club yes now i will have its own [TS]

00:24:50   little house that will live in but [TS]

00:24:52   didn't and clean by crew each day and [TS]

00:24:55   yes it will it will be lovely and i will [TS]

00:24:57   learn how to drive because I you know [TS]

00:25:00   I've driven large trucks as part of you [TS]

00:25:02   know summer jobs as a kid and everything [TS]

00:25:04   in comedy rearward visibility when [TS]

00:25:05   you're driving a dump truck you just [TS]

00:25:06   learned how to do it [TS]

00:25:08   I'm willing to do that a sacrifice I'm [TS]

00:25:10   willing to make it on a Ferrari have I [TS]

00:25:12   told the story on on here about me [TS]

00:25:14   driving a Ferrari you mentioned it but [TS]

00:25:15   you didn't take didn't expand on it [TS]

00:25:18   okay well i'll take this as an [TS]

00:25:19   opportunity to do so so in Connecticut [TS]

00:25:22   when i was learning how to drive a [TS]

00:25:24   driver said was not a part of the [TS]

00:25:26   school's you did it outside of school [TS]

00:25:28   and Connecticut driver's a totem [TS]

00:25:30   Ferraris no no not at all [TS]

00:25:33   that was cited on neighborhoods yeah I [TS]

00:25:34   was gonna say it was made not in my part [TS]

00:25:36   of Connecticut so anyway [TS]

00:25:39   well I didn't do driver said because [TS]

00:25:41   wasn't part of school and in my parents [TS]

00:25:43   were like no you don't need to bother [TS]

00:25:44   with that so that because i didn't [TS]

00:25:46   drivers that I could get my license tall [TS]

00:25:48   16 and a half and i did so and i took [TS]

00:25:50   the driver's test in the saturn that was [TS]

00:25:51   a five-speed never thought I was out of [TS]

00:25:53   my mind but I didn't pass my first time [TS]

00:25:56   it was it was no big deal [TS]

00:25:57   well um it was a couple of weeks later [TS]

00:26:00   and my I was coming home at a reasonable [TS]

00:26:04   hour but it was like after dinner or [TS]

00:26:05   something like that and i noticed that [TS]

00:26:09   no I knew that my parents were having [TS]

00:26:10   some friends over and I noticed very [TS]

00:26:13   quickly as I was rounding the bend to [TS]

00:26:14   come up to my parents driveway which was [TS]

00:26:16   very very stever is very very steep that [TS]

00:26:19   there was a shiny red Ferrari sitting at [TS]

00:26:21   the end of it and i want to say it was a [TS]

00:26:23   355 I'm probably wrong [TS]

00:26:26   but here what year was this this was if [TS]

00:26:29   I was 16 this was ninety eight ish give [TS]

00:26:32   or take a little bit 1999 good I'm yes [TS]

00:26:35   but anyway so there's this beautiful [TS]

00:26:37   ferrari sitting at the bottom of the [TS]

00:26:39   driveway so I got the driveway and I go [TS]

00:26:40   walking in and I know immediately that [TS]

00:26:42   the owner that Ferrari is a family [TS]

00:26:44   friend of ours who is of Italian [TS]

00:26:47   heritage and own garbage companies in [TS]

00:26:49   New York and Connecticut and so that we [TS]

00:26:52   know that means well in i believe [TS]

00:26:54   nothing we don't know anything yet we [TS]

00:26:56   don't know anything and we don't know [TS]

00:26:58   that I believe he's currently in jail [TS]

00:27:00   I'm not that is not a joke so anyway so [TS]

00:27:04   I said hey insert name here I really [TS]

00:27:07   like your car today thanks to go for a [TS]

00:27:10   ride [TS]

00:27:10   uh yeah so we go walking back down the [TS]

00:27:15   driveway and he takes me to this road [TS]

00:27:17   that that my parents neighborhood is off [TS]

00:27:19   of and it's like a three or four mile [TS]

00:27:21   stretch that's for all intents and [TS]

00:27:23   purposes straight straight as an arrow [TS]

00:27:24   and so we go down the stretch and he [TS]

00:27:28   does a you at the end come back towards [TS]

00:27:30   my parents house all of a sudden stops [TS]

00:27:32   the middle of the road in this light [TS]

00:27:33   quarter-million-dollar ferraris stops in [TS]

00:27:35   the middle of the road and this is a [TS]

00:27:36   well-traveled Road gets out and I hear [TS]

00:27:38   him say over his shoulder your turn [TS]

00:27:40   I'm 16 and a half I've been driving for [TS]

00:27:44   about six months and my family friend is [TS]

00:27:47   telling me to get behind the wheel of [TS]

00:27:48   his Ferrari ok so I jump in the driver's [TS]

00:27:52   seat [TS]

00:27:52   I thought the kind of guy you say no to [TS]

00:27:54   exam well the that's true anyway Casey [TS]

00:27:57   an offer he can't refuse littering very [TS]

00:27:59   very literally so I get behind the [TS]

00:28:01   driver's seat and I'd giggle a little [TS]

00:28:02   bit as i realize that i'm about to drive [TS]

00:28:05   a ferrari and of course it was a stick [TS]

00:28:07   because this was before the es el [TS]

00:28:10   automagic automatic manuals and I [TS]

00:28:13   immediately noticed that all three [TS]

00:28:14   pedals were basically one pedal because [TS]

00:28:16   they were so close together but I did [TS]

00:28:18   take off fine i did not stall i did not [TS]

00:28:20   burn rubber and we're going down the [TS]

00:28:22   road and I am doing nothing exciting it [TS]

00:28:24   was the most boring drive a ferrari that [TS]

00:28:27   has ever happened and then the gentleman [TS]

00:28:30   who owned it looked over at me comments [TS]

00:28:31   can be not upset since hey how fast do [TS]

00:28:33   you think you're going as [TS]

00:28:35   35-40 the speed limit i believe is 35 [TS]

00:28:38   want to check it out so I looked down [TS]

00:28:40   and I look at the speedometer and I can [TS]

00:28:43   go first second cause there's a prancing [TS]

00:28:44   horse in the middle of the speedometer [TS]

00:28:45   and then I realize holy god I'm doing [TS]

00:28:48   about 70 I had no idea and granted i [TS]

00:28:51   wasn't a new driver but I mean I knew [TS]

00:28:52   the difference between 1730 and I could [TS]

00:28:55   have sworn I was doing 35 40 and I [TS]

00:28:58   covered the 72nd here though [TS]

00:29:00   yeah it's also true and so we got home I [TS]

00:29:03   did not pull it up the driveway [TS]

00:29:05   everything was fine and to this day that [TS]

00:29:08   is one of my favorite driving [TS]

00:29:10   experiences of all time I mean it again [TS]

00:29:12   i wish i could tell you that I i stood [TS]

00:29:14   on the gas that i did a brake check just [TS]

00:29:17   for the fun of it i did nothing exciting [TS]

00:29:19   but yet it was the most exciting drive i [TS]

00:29:21   think i've ever had in my life my most [TS]

00:29:22   exciting counter for with Ferraris even [TS]

00:29:24   more boring we can have a contest for 10 [TS]

00:29:26   with that is not one of the most boring [TS]

00:29:27   area here is my most exciting counter [TS]

00:29:29   before i think i've also told the story [TS]

00:29:31   before but tough luck if i went to [TS]

00:29:33   Boston University which is very [TS]

00:29:36   expensive school that lots of [TS]

00:29:39   foreign-born people go to because they [TS]

00:29:41   have lots of money i don't know and [TS]

00:29:45   they're the people who go here from [TS]

00:29:47   other countries especially for middle [TS]

00:29:49   eastern countries like you know oil [TS]

00:29:50   barons or whatever the parents and the [TS]

00:29:52   kids to school they buy them an [TS]

00:29:54   apartment to stay in or renting an [TS]

00:29:56   apartment stand the ma I guess they rent [TS]

00:29:58   them or by the car I don't know how [TS]

00:29:59   these cars come to be angry they're [TS]

00:30:00   college students undergraduates who have [TS]

00:30:02   cars including Ferraris so I my [TS]

00:30:05   undergraduate years like this is the [TS]

00:30:06   first time that would be for our isn't a [TS]

00:30:08   regular basis just walking to and from [TS]

00:30:09   class they'd be parked or double park [TS]

00:30:11   along the road is about universities [TS]

00:30:13   right along commonwealth avenue which is [TS]

00:30:14   very busy road as cars parked all wanted [TS]

00:30:16   someone would be Ferraris and I were [TS]

00:30:18   just you know Otto bellman lots of bmw's [TS]

00:30:20   so you know lots of whatever that [TS]

00:30:22   generation of m3 was that the one that [TS]

00:30:24   actually liked what you ninety four [TS]

00:30:29   through seven was at the e90 even worst [TS]

00:30:32   experience ever 3636 was late nineties [TS]

00:30:35   40s early 2000s the one where they at [TS]

00:30:37   the very end of the rain they just add a [TS]

00:30:39   little like masks to the aisle to the [TS]

00:30:41   headlights was like the old headlights [TS]

00:30:42   but they just put a little little mask [TS]

00:30:44   on the bottom of it to like make a [TS]

00:30:45   little circle cut outs remember that [TS]

00:30:47   to be honest I do not know I'm [TS]

00:30:48   disappointed myself anyway I look it up [TS]

00:30:50   but i would look at all these cars and [TS]

00:30:52   so one day coming out of the what was [TS]

00:30:54   then the College of Liberal Arts or CLA [TS]

00:30:56   but is now has a different name which is [TS]

00:30:59   worse [TS]

00:30:59   cas much worse anyway there was you know [TS]

00:31:03   Ferrari parked out i believe it was [TS]

00:31:05   either 348 or 355 because the the was [TS]

00:31:07   the popular ferrari for the kids to have [TS]

00:31:09   an interesting up everybody just said [TS]

00:31:12   that was the popular Ferrari was like [TS]

00:31:14   seven of them and it was like another [TS]

00:31:15   494 there was all 348 and this then you [TS]

00:31:20   know 100 the first thing that came out [TS]

00:31:23   94 so then you start to see them in [TS]

00:31:24   later years but anyway I come down the [TS]

00:31:26   steps for coming out of the classroom [TS]

00:31:28   building and there's a Ferrari sitting [TS]

00:31:29   there it's covered convertible ferrari [TS]

00:31:31   about half of them were convertible and [TS]

00:31:33   it's sitting there with the engine [TS]

00:31:35   running with nobody around it just you [TS]

00:31:38   know parked on the side of the road [TS]

00:31:40   you still living no that's not right [TS]

00:31:43   about this is the most boring story but [TS]

00:31:45   I thought fit look how many times is [TS]

00:31:47   gonna happen to you in your life i did i [TS]

00:31:49   did you know it'sit's the college's [TS]

00:31:52   people everywhere no one's gonna really [TS]

00:31:54   notice you is a Ferrari with the engine [TS]

00:31:56   running with the keys in it with nobody [TS]

00:31:59   around that owns it like no one is [TS]

00:32:00   leaning on it no one's talking in a [TS]

00:32:01   group here is just sitting there and why [TS]

00:32:03   isn't the people are rich and [TS]

00:32:05   irresponsible my teenagers major scene [TS]

00:32:06   he's probably off smoking somewhere [TS]

00:32:08   around the corner or whatever and I [TS]

00:32:09   thought you know this may be your only [TS]

00:32:11   chance to ever do this but then I [TS]

00:32:13   thought you might go to jail or die and [TS]

00:32:16   so I've in july i decided not to do it [TS]

00:32:18   that is that isn't even more bored but [TS]

00:32:21   to this day as Casey the Casey remembers [TS]

00:32:23   his drive it just went straight down [TS]

00:32:24   this road going a little bit too fast i [TS]

00:32:26   still remember and relive that moment of [TS]

00:32:28   like this could be the time that you [TS]

00:32:31   that you get to drive a ferrari this [TS]

00:32:32   could be the most exciting drive of your [TS]

00:32:34   life [TS]

00:32:35   I just want to my next class I might [TS]

00:32:36   have even more boring ferrari story i'll [TS]

00:32:38   go out and what about you can top that I [TS]

00:32:40   didn't actually even touch the car [TS]

00:32:42   well I don't even like caress it as i [TS]

00:32:44   walked by I have done that but here's my [TS]

00:32:46   story uh I don't know five years ago six [TS]

00:32:50   years ago I went to a party with the guy [TS]

00:32:53   who was in with the people who run [TS]

00:32:56   yeah an exotic car rental place in [TS]

00:32:58   jersey called Gotham dream cars and so I [TS]

00:33:01   went to the part that like the Christmas [TS]

00:33:02   party at Gotham dream cars which is just [TS]

00:33:04   like in their warehouse in New Jersey [TS]

00:33:06   and their house was just full of all of [TS]

00:33:08   their ridiculous cars and this is the [TS]

00:33:10   kind of place where you can pay like a [TS]

00:33:11   thousand dollars a day to rent a [TS]

00:33:12   Lamborghini or Ferrari or something so [TS]

00:33:14   they had all their cars open in their [TS]

00:33:17   warehouse for everyone just you know sit [TS]

00:33:19   in so I went through you know as I'm [TS]

00:33:22   like you know holding like a beer and [TS]

00:33:24   cocktail appetizers [TS]

00:33:25   I went and SAT in all these cars just [TS]

00:33:30   for a few minutes looking at them took [TS]

00:33:32   some pictures sitting in them that's it [TS]

00:33:36   so I've I bet you engage the cars and [TS]

00:33:38   you've got into them that's not that's [TS]

00:33:40   more exciting than mine [TS]

00:33:41   you'd be surprised how how not [TS]

00:33:43   interesting it is to just sit in a [TS]

00:33:45   really nice car and not actually like [TS]

00:33:48   not not only are you not driving it but [TS]

00:33:50   you aren't even even being in or near a [TS]

00:33:53   while it is being driven by somebody [TS]

00:33:54   else like it's just like up here Zach [TS]

00:33:57   are just sitting here like it's not that [TS]

00:33:59   different look at pictures of online now [TS]

00:34:02   it's going i have a very vaguely similar [TS]

00:34:05   story that I've been looking for a [TS]

00:34:06   reason to tell so thank you for giving [TS]

00:34:08   me the reason when i was $DAY i want to [TS]

00:34:11   say 12 ish tennis twelvish my [TS]

00:34:14   grandmother whom is still around this is [TS]

00:34:16   my dad's mom and we were really close at [TS]

00:34:18   the time and we she lived in Manhattan [TS]

00:34:22   and one day i was visiting her and I was [TS]

00:34:25   with my family if i'm not mistaken but [TS]

00:34:26   because occasionally I would go and just [TS]

00:34:28   hang out just the two of us [TS]

00:34:29   well I had like a car and driver [TS]

00:34:31   something like that at this point in my [TS]

00:34:32   life as with every other [TS]

00:34:33   twelve-year-olds I was obsessed with [TS]

00:34:34   Lamborghinis and so do my grandmother [TS]

00:34:38   whom I called man said to me hey you [TS]

00:34:41   know what are you looking at myself this [TS]

00:34:43   really cool car I've always wanted to [TS]

00:34:44   see what I've ever seen reports [TS]

00:34:46   what's a call with Lamborghini as well [TS]

00:34:48   let's find one let's go look at one [TS]

00:34:50   point man it's a quarter million dollars [TS]

00:34:52   an hour whatever I mean I didn't know [TS]

00:34:54   how much was like man it's really [TS]

00:34:55   expensive so next thing I know she's on [TS]

00:34:58   the phone with Maura motorsports which [TS]

00:35:01   is no longer around I've tried to find [TS]

00:35:02   them and I can't but they were they were [TS]

00:35:04   coming [TS]

00:35:05   lamborghini dealer across the river new [TS]

00:35:07   jersey vaguely near Liberty Science [TS]

00:35:09   Center from that mistaken and so she's [TS]

00:35:12   on the phone with a woman there who we [TS]

00:35:14   later find out is the owner and so she [TS]

00:35:16   says hey you know my grandson's visiting [TS]

00:35:18   I think I lived in illinois the time or [TS]

00:35:19   something like that [TS]

00:35:20   my grandson's visiting from Illinois and [TS]

00:35:22   he really loves Lamborghinis can can i [TS]

00:35:24   bring him by and the story i'm told [TS]

00:35:27   consistently is that the owner of the [TS]

00:35:29   company said without pausing and even an [TS]

00:35:33   instant said he's a potential buyer [TS]

00:35:35   bring them in and it was already made [TS]

00:35:37   clear that I'm well next thing i know [TS]

00:35:39   it's an hour later or maybe 30 know you [TS]

00:35:42   know Marco how long does it take to get [TS]

00:35:43   across the river anyway so forever [TS]

00:35:45   you got it sound infinite I so I was 16 [TS]

00:35:48   years old when we arrived a husband but [TS]

00:35:50   I we get to the dealer and this was when [TS]

00:35:53   the diablo was new or it within the last [TS]

00:35:56   day or two just come out last year too [TS]

00:35:57   so in the showroom there was a black [TS]

00:35:59   Diablo there was a white countach used [TS]

00:36:03   that was previously owned by mario [TS]

00:36:05   andretti and i think one or two other [TS]

00:36:07   cars but I I can't even for life and [TS]

00:36:09   remember what they were [TS]

00:36:10   so I meet this woman in my recollection [TS]

00:36:12   of it was that she was fairly young like [TS]

00:36:14   late thirties early forties and and she [TS]

00:36:16   said you know I'm so glad you came down [TS]

00:36:18   she gave me a packet of information like [TS]

00:36:20   a like a sales brochure which I just [TS]

00:36:23   found the other day actually [TS]

00:36:24   and she said hey would you know why [TS]

00:36:26   don't you come sit in them and so she [TS]

00:36:28   opens up the diablo with the not [TS]

00:36:30   goldwing but the vertically opening [TS]

00:36:32   doors which at the time was not ruined [TS]

00:36:34   by fast and furious so it was actually [TS]

00:36:36   still cool and so she opens the door she [TS]

00:36:39   do she gets out of the way so I can sit [TS]

00:36:40   in it and I go to sit in it and officers [TS]

00:36:42   she grabs me and pulls me back and I'm [TS]

00:36:45   thinking myself holy god i don't know [TS]

00:36:46   what i just did I haven't even touched a [TS]

00:36:48   thing yet but I am screwed I'm like [TS]

00:36:50   going to jail because of 12 I didn't [TS]

00:36:51   know any better so she steps in front of [TS]

00:36:54   me says hold on a second takes the [TS]

00:36:56   plastic wrap off of the seats so that i [TS]

00:36:59   can sit on the leather and then says go [TS]

00:37:02   ahead [TS]

00:37:03   it was the coolest freaking experience [TS]

00:37:06   of my life and so I have pictures which [TS]

00:37:09   if I wasn't so lazy i would scan and we [TS]

00:37:10   would put in our non-existent show notes [TS]

00:37:12   but I have pictures of me sitting in a [TS]

00:37:14   diablo like 12 years old whatever it is [TS]

00:37:16   and [TS]

00:37:17   it was the coolest experience in the [TS]

00:37:19   world and i want so badly to be able to [TS]

00:37:21   find this woman and tell her you know [TS]

00:37:23   even 15 years later I still so fondly [TS]

00:37:26   remember that that that moment and and I [TS]

00:37:29   will always remember that moment and [TS]

00:37:31   I've tried to dig up the the more of [TS]

00:37:34   Motorsports company and it seems to have [TS]

00:37:36   folded i did find a website that i know [TS]

00:37:38   is them but it's just kind of like a [TS]

00:37:40   parked website i mean there was enough [TS]

00:37:42   information that tells the same people [TS]

00:37:44   but there was almost nothing to it and [TS]

00:37:46   I'm really bummed because I'd really [TS]

00:37:47   love to find them so if you know where [TS]

00:37:48   to find that picture and scan it I I was [TS]

00:37:51   treated at the very least i will i will [TS]

00:37:53   do that but yeah there was unbelievable [TS]

00:37:55   she was so gracious and so awesome and [TS]

00:37:58   and if somehow this thing ever finds her [TS]

00:38:01   thank you so many many millions of times [TS]

00:38:03   because it was unbelievably was a [TS]

00:38:04   life-changing experience as a [TS]

00:38:05   twelve-year-old meanwhile I just up the [TS]

00:38:07   pictures of my Christmas party gotten [TS]

00:38:09   dream cars and they are exactly as [TS]

00:38:11   boring as i as i remember them to be it [TS]

00:38:13   if you lie [TS]

00:38:15   no okay i can all share the pictures [TS]

00:38:16   afterwards it's just some fairly blurry [TS]

00:38:19   pictures of car interiors so with some [TS]

00:38:21   people you don't know hang around and [TS]

00:38:23   some Christmas lights and some cocktail [TS]

00:38:25   like we know that appetizer trays and [TS]

00:38:27   people hanging around like it's so it's [TS]

00:38:30   gonna end up here like it i'm looking at [TS]

00:38:32   Vipers Lamborghinis there's a 911 [TS]

00:38:36   there's a bunch of Ferraris whatever [TS]

00:38:38   lamborghini VT is I don't even know i [TS]

00:38:41   just i just read the back of it at like [TS]

00:38:43   that all the abandoned me I mean there's [TS]

00:38:45   all these crazy cars and and you know [TS]

00:38:48   just who was it was it was fun like to [TS]

00:38:51   stay i was there to say i was in all [TS]

00:38:53   these cars but it wasn't nearly as good [TS]

00:38:56   as it would have been cool if I was 12 [TS]

00:39:00   it would've been amazing but as somebody [TS]

00:39:02   who's old enough to drive all these cars [TS]

00:39:04   being around a bunch of them i'm not [TS]

00:39:05   driving them was surprisingly [TS]

00:39:07   uninteresting the problem with being old [TS]

00:39:10   that all these experience i have always [TS]

00:39:11   exotic cars many of them like modified [TS]

00:39:13   in college I didn't have a digital [TS]

00:39:16   camera at that time I didn't have [TS]

00:39:19   there's no you don't have a cellphone [TS]

00:39:20   with a camera I don't have a cell phone [TS]

00:39:21   . and so all you know if I did certainly [TS]

00:39:25   like as I was arguing these cars walking [TS]

00:39:26   to class I would have probably taken [TS]

00:39:28   pictures of them might take pictures of [TS]

00:39:29   my favorite and stuff but this [TS]

00:39:30   a record of these because I for four [TS]

00:39:32   years of college had no camera with me [TS]

00:39:34   during the day and didn't even occur to [TS]

00:39:36   me till I get my film camera and carried [TS]

00:39:38   to class so i could take a picture of [TS]

00:39:39   you know because then you would have [TS]

00:39:40   been a nerd i don't know i found a [TS]

00:39:43   picture of my mind not anyway it was the [TS]

00:39:45   the 46 and I place it into the chat room [TS]

00:39:48   you can look at the little things around [TS]

00:39:49   the headlights that I was thinking of [TS]

00:39:50   these have aftermarket body cladding on [TS]

00:39:51   the bottom of it just ignore that part [TS]

00:39:53   and look at the park around the head [TS]

00:39:54   life that's how identify I how identify [TS]

00:39:56   my m3 yeah that's definitely not need 36 [TS]

00:39:59   like you said and if I could have 46 [TS]

00:40:01   that I said it's not any thirty cents [TS]

00:40:04   yeah i mean if I can pull a Merlin for a [TS]

00:40:06   second nice pictures [TS]

00:40:08   those are pictures of me and the Diablo [TS]

00:40:10   in the concussion i'll scan a couple [TS]

00:40:11   after the show em anyway speaking of [TS]

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00:41:57   i was thinking of stories that have [TS]

00:42:01   influenced our car opinions are [TS]

00:42:05   formative car experiences I thought of [TS]

00:42:07   one more for me this was when I was [TS]

00:42:10   gonna hold it wasn't so bad the time but [TS]

00:42:12   i would I was young before i could drive [TS]

00:42:14   was maybe 10 years old or something so [TS]

00:42:16   my family he didn't even have the the [TS]

00:42:18   mazda minivan at that point I just had [TS]

00:42:19   the Volvo station wagon and we [TS]

00:42:21   previously had a series of american cars [TS]

00:42:23   plus the Volkswagen Rabbit very long [TS]

00:42:26   time ago when I was very young so I have [TS]

00:42:28   never had experience with like nice cars [TS]

00:42:30   i guess i mean the volvo is kind of nice [TS]

00:42:31   it was like you p car but they weren't [TS]

00:42:33   bubbles were not as nice back then as [TS]

00:42:35   they are now in terms of luxury they [TS]

00:42:37   were more utilitarian and scandinavian [TS]

00:42:40   and weird and we had a cheap all it did [TS]

00:42:44   was not a nice car really so this was [TS]

00:42:47   with a friend's car and I was going with [TS]

00:42:49   a friend to go skiing i think we're [TS]

00:42:50   going to win them just in upstate New [TS]

00:42:52   York maybe it was a different matter but [TS]

00:42:54   i'm pretty sure wasn't and we were [TS]

00:42:57   driving up with just me my friend and [TS]

00:42:58   his father and his father ran ever have [TS]

00:43:02   a towing business and they weren't rich [TS]

00:43:05   by any means but they had you know more [TS]

00:43:08   money than the average middle class [TS]

00:43:09   family and his father with his little [TS]

00:43:12   bit of extra money had bought a used [TS]

00:43:14   Mercedes was an old s-class it was like [TS]

00:43:16   maybe an eighties early early to mid 80s [TS]

00:43:19   class and it was maybe you know a couple [TS]

00:43:22   a couple years old it wasn't like you [TS]

00:43:24   know whenever a generation after the the [TS]

00:43:27   s classes are available at that time [TS]

00:43:29   maybe two generations later I and we [TS]

00:43:31   drove up the skin place and I remember [TS]

00:43:33   the drive up i was probably just in the [TS]

00:43:35   backseat or whatever probably just [TS]

00:43:37   excited to go skiing and I was probably [TS]

00:43:38   tired because you got to leave like five [TS]

00:43:40   in the morning if you want to get there [TS]

00:43:41   at a reasonable time from Long Island [TS]

00:43:43   ski the whole day and when the day was [TS]

00:43:45   over we left and my friend wanted to [TS]

00:43:48   sleep on the in the backseat so we did [TS]

00:43:50   just laid out across the back seat and i [TS]

00:43:52   sat in the front seat [TS]

00:43:53   i I'm the drive back and [TS]

00:43:56   on the drive back very early in the dr [TS]

00:43:59   what I want to say is a black ford probe [TS]

00:44:02   was sort of you know driving around us [TS]

00:44:07   and immediately there became this game [TS]

00:44:09   between my friend's father and the ford [TS]

00:44:11   probe of I don't know what the game is [TS]

00:44:13   like we would pass them and he would [TS]

00:44:16   pass awesome you pass them but you know [TS]

00:44:18   kind of driving way too fast and [TS]

00:44:20   competitive manner of it in a playful [TS]

00:44:21   competitive manner with another car and [TS]

00:44:25   so I was in this big letter C that never [TS]

00:44:27   sent a legacy before in my life to see [TS]

00:44:29   this i believe it was heated but it [TS]

00:44:30   could have just been body heat windows [TS]

00:44:32   I'm playing with the little pictographic [TS]

00:44:34   a/c controls which by the way are one of [TS]

00:44:36   the most brilliant user interface [TS]

00:44:38   innovations in cars i don't know [TS]

00:44:40   Mercedes invented them but i think they [TS]

00:44:41   popularized the on talking about [TS]

00:44:43   absolutely you're absolutely right when [TS]

00:44:45   you reach it you know that is another [TS]

00:44:47   example of no touchscreen is helping you [TS]

00:44:48   there are no voice command is helping [TS]

00:44:50   that that control is just so far [TS]

00:44:52   superior and whoever come up with [TS]

00:44:53   instead of the old things like four [TS]

00:44:54   buttons you have to keep pressing each [TS]

00:44:56   44 which ones that make the little [TS]

00:44:57   picture of the seat anyway I had [TS]

00:44:58   adjusted to the strange angle or some [TS]

00:45:00   sort of nestled in there and I'm sort of [TS]

00:45:02   hunched down and I'm little right and [TS]

00:45:04   what I'm looking at is that the back of [TS]

00:45:06   the ford probe darting in front of us [TS]

00:45:08   and going back and forth and I'm looking [TS]

00:45:09   at my friends father's speedometer and [TS]

00:45:12   tachometer as he drives you know it's [TS]

00:45:14   it's an s-class Mercedes is not a fast [TS]

00:45:15   carbon atom v8 and it was you know [TS]

00:45:18   relatively quick and so how is that not [TS]

00:45:20   as we are well past Mercedes of the big [TS]

00:45:23   boat once but so incredibly smooth like [TS]

00:45:26   it felt like I was floating on a piece [TS]

00:45:28   of glass and so solid feeling and so [TS]

00:45:30   silent i didn't know cars could even be [TS]

00:45:32   like this and we're going tremendously [TS]

00:45:34   fast touching a hundred several times [TS]

00:45:36   which was just I was you know giddy with [TS]

00:45:38   joy this entire time trying not to let [TS]

00:45:40   like I was trying to pretend like i was [TS]

00:45:42   like half asleep trying not to let my [TS]

00:45:43   friends know that I was giddy that he [TS]

00:45:45   was doing this with all the cars seem [TS]

00:45:46   like it's something illicit was going on [TS]

00:45:48   it was exciting but that changed how I [TS]

00:45:50   viewed cars that that they can be you [TS]

00:45:52   know so different than all the other [TS]

00:45:54   cars that i experienced and that you [TS]

00:45:56   could drive that quickly in that much [TS]

00:45:59   comfort in silence and have that much [TS]

00:46:00   fun and not have it be like you know [TS]

00:46:02   terrifying like it was when you went [TS]

00:46:03   over 60 in the volatile that that really [TS]

00:46:06   changed my view of cars make that [TS]

00:46:07   probably started me on reading car mag [TS]

00:46:10   seems and prior to that I was not into [TS]

00:46:11   them if you're out there mr. de celis [TS]

00:46:14   thank you for that [TS]

00:46:15   that drive was exciting and I'm glad you [TS]

00:46:17   didn't kill me whatever happened [TS]

00:46:20   involving I know they're still around i [TS]

00:46:22   know it was at 42 bought them somebody [TS]

00:46:23   forward for it took a large amount of [TS]

00:46:25   ownership once that happens here days [TS]

00:46:27   it's like GM taken over a sob yeah like [TS]

00:46:30   that because I mean I still see Volvo's [TS]

00:46:32   around and I remember when we were [TS]

00:46:33   looking for tips car looking at all the [TS]

00:46:35   different hatchbacks and everything we [TS]

00:46:38   did have to go to a volvo dealer look at [TS]

00:46:39   the c30 and its first of all it's pretty [TS]

00:46:43   hard to even find a volvo dealer in a [TS]

00:46:46   lot of places including including around [TS]

00:46:48   here like we have to go really far away [TS]

00:46:50   to find one and it just doesn't seem [TS]

00:46:53   like I still see them occasionally but [TS]

00:46:55   it doesn't seem like they're selling [TS]

00:46:57   very well guys I think I still might see [TS]

00:46:59   sobs more than I see all those yeah [TS]

00:47:03   they're very very expensive cars and [TS]

00:47:05   they usually don't pair up with equally [TS]

00:47:07   price cars in terms of any single factor [TS]

00:47:09   the one thing you've always had going [TS]

00:47:10   for it is two balls companies obsession [TS]

00:47:12   with safety right which is probably why [TS]

00:47:14   my parents got one and why i'm at i was [TS]

00:47:17   interested in them as well because back [TS]

00:47:19   when they were an independent company [TS]

00:47:20   and we're making their own platforms and [TS]

00:47:22   like calling all the shots their own [TS]

00:47:23   things that they were just so incredibly [TS]

00:47:25   obsessed with safety that they would [TS]

00:47:27   sacrifice everything else for their cars [TS]

00:47:28   would be ugly they would not be fast [TS]

00:47:30   they would be heavy they would be noisy [TS]

00:47:32   they would take the drivetrains wouldn't [TS]

00:47:34   be good like and you just knew [TS]

00:47:35   everything in that car was centered [TS]

00:47:36   around making it safe and I think [TS]

00:47:38   there's a place in the market for a car [TS]

00:47:41   companies that are obsessed with one [TS]

00:47:42   particular aspect of you wanted safety [TS]

00:47:44   when it wasn't just like all marketing [TS]

00:47:45   like was like oh we really care about [TS]

00:47:47   safety so by our cars like they devoted [TS]

00:47:49   resources and you know car designers and [TS]

00:47:51   scientists and research to safety and [TS]

00:47:54   we're willing to sacrifice like willing [TS]

00:47:55   to make that trade-off with the other [TS]

00:47:56   aspects of their cars but once you know [TS]

00:47:59   apparently it wasn't enough of the [TS]

00:48:00   markets the same then once they have to [TS]

00:48:01   take on the forward stuff then it's like [TS]

00:48:02   oh we should really have a common [TS]

00:48:03   platform in common drivetrain and maybe [TS]

00:48:06   your next ball will just be a reskin [TS]

00:48:07   forward we care about safety too and is [TS]

00:48:09   that what happened to solve in a while [TS]

00:48:11   then it's not they're not risking force [TS]

00:48:12   but they want more platforms sharing [TS]

00:48:14   Iran that was sabzi more like that that [TS]

00:48:17   sob and GM they wanted them to you know [TS]

00:48:19   share more parts with the GM [TS]

00:48:21   you know platforms and stuff like that [TS]

00:48:22   is just it once you lose what's unique [TS]

00:48:25   about the thing and you're trying to [TS]

00:48:26   stick to contain like you know bad [TS]

00:48:28   marketing were like you're just you're [TS]

00:48:29   just buying a plane lgm heart's been car [TS]

00:48:32   with red John it you know yeah that that [TS]

00:48:35   that's do mentoring I don't know what [TS]

00:48:37   caused the downfall of these companies [TS]

00:48:39   it's probably just that maybe it's not [TS]

00:48:40   as big a market as they think those [TS]

00:48:42   things maybe it's just that the the [TS]

00:48:43   fixed baseline cost of being a car [TS]

00:48:45   company so large that you can't just be [TS]

00:48:47   you know unless here at the super duper [TS]

00:48:50   high end that is uncomfortable middle [TS]

00:48:52   ground like if your Ferrari fine you can [TS]

00:48:54   make a small number of cars you can [TS]

00:48:55   build a couple by Fiat so what am I [TS]

00:48:57   saying but in that middle ground where [TS]

00:48:59   you're not selling SuperDuper expensive [TS]

00:49:01   cars but you do want to sell a lot of [TS]

00:49:05   them but they're weird i don't know how [TS]

00:49:07   you don't know how do you sustain right [TS]

00:49:08   like cars were you can't really compete [TS]

00:49:10   very well on price but you have to come [TS]

00:49:11   pretty close and so like you you're not [TS]

00:49:15   going to be like no one's ever going to [TS]

00:49:17   name you the best value you do have some [TS]

00:49:19   fans but they're not going to spend 300 [TS]

00:49:20   grand for your cars like Ferraris so [TS]

00:49:23   it's more like yeah people like shot and [TS]

00:49:25   you have the regular cars to sustain you [TS]

00:49:27   like it forward can afford to have all [TS]

00:49:29   sorts of weird cars because they have [TS]

00:49:30   like their bread and butter car that's [TS]

00:49:31   ok that'll bring in the money and then [TS]

00:49:33   we're going to four are you know like [TS]

00:49:35   you know chrysler can afford will almost [TS]

00:49:36   ditch the Viper can afford to have the [TS]

00:49:38   vibrant sell lots of boring car to [TS]

00:49:39   support them but if your volleyball you [TS]

00:49:41   sell these weird safety focus cars that [TS]

00:49:43   previously were very ugly and they're [TS]

00:49:45   not they're not as nice driving cars BMW [TS]

00:49:47   using it and then I don't have much cash [TS]

00:49:49   a is a Mercedes and not even is good [TS]

00:49:51   cars that like and the other thing is i [TS]

00:49:53   think other company started their lunch [TS]

00:49:54   because Mercedes is also almost as [TS]

00:49:56   maniacally safety focused as always and [TS]

00:49:58   that's like the bumper right up against [TS]

00:50:00   each other it's like well ball was [TS]

00:50:01   really really stay focused but Mercedes [TS]

00:50:03   pretty focus to and having other aspects [TS]

00:50:05   that I like so well so let's go out [TS]

00:50:07   there and they're still nice cars but [TS]

00:50:08   they're there are so many safety [TS]

00:50:09   regulations now with cars and and all [TS]

00:50:12   the crash testing that we do now that I [TS]

00:50:14   feel like the entire industry stepped up [TS]

00:50:17   their game with safety especially in the [TS]

00:50:19   nineties and and since then even more [TS]

00:50:21   and so it seems like if your specialty [TS]

00:50:24   is safety then your your advantages he [TS]

00:50:27   wrote it when the rest of the industry [TS]

00:50:28   gets pretty damn i don't think i don't [TS]

00:50:31   think the advantage was eroded because [TS]

00:50:32   I'm [TS]

00:50:33   that in in relative terms it was not I [TS]

00:50:35   feel like they like they held the lead [TS]

00:50:37   right up to the point where their [TS]

00:50:38   engineer stop being able to design their [TS]

00:50:40   cars and I have to just you know slap [TS]

00:50:41   badges on Ford stuff but like it [TS]

00:50:46   the absolute level raised up so like [TS]

00:50:47   even though the relative distance was [TS]

00:50:49   still very big everyone else had gone up [TS]

00:50:51   so much higher you've got a prior to [TS]

00:50:52   like is the difference between design [TS]

00:50:54   your car so that it passes the safety [TS]

00:50:56   test and designing your car so that it's [TS]

00:50:58   so safe that even if you did even by not [TS]

00:51:01   paying attention to safety testing just [TS]

00:51:02   passes all of them as you know like like [TS]

00:51:03   we know the exact massive speeds and [TS]

00:51:06   angles that the collisions are going to [TS]

00:51:07   happen and all these standardized tests [TS]

00:51:09   and all these different countries so we [TS]

00:51:10   design our car so it survives all those [TS]

00:51:11   perfectly fine but if you hit a slightly [TS]

00:51:13   different angle or slightly different [TS]

00:51:14   speed it wouldn't survive as well [TS]

00:51:15   involved just want to make a tank that [TS]

00:51:17   hit me from any angle we don't care [TS]

00:51:19   we're gonna survive everything and we're [TS]

00:51:21   you know we're gonna go crazy with the [TS]

00:51:24   safety stuff that I mean they're still [TS]

00:51:25   out there still doing the stuff with the [TS]

00:51:26   you know car that will stop itself if it [TS]

00:51:30   senses your about that something like [TS]

00:51:31   almost self-driving car type stuff [TS]

00:51:33   they're adding an electronics you know [TS]

00:51:34   that's the new frontier of safety [TS]

00:51:35   against besides just building your car [TS]

00:51:37   like a tank right but yeah probably [TS]

00:51:39   probably their error is a pioneer has [TS]

00:51:42   has passed them by [TS]

00:51:44   and unfortunately building a car like a [TS]

00:51:45   tank is is no longer that easy with fuel [TS]

00:51:48   efficiency requirements [TS]

00:51:49   absolutely because if you want to build [TS]

00:51:52   like a tank needs to weigh as much as a [TS]

00:51:54   tank and and that's obviously contrary [TS]

00:51:56   also not if you put no sound deadening [TS]

00:51:58   material in it like our Volvo wagon you [TS]

00:52:00   could hear every pedal clicking [TS]

00:52:01   underneath the car yet what year was [TS]

00:52:03   that also mean I was 1781 follow wagon [TS]

00:52:07   yeah that was before a lot of stuff was [TS]

00:52:08   required that takes up more weight and [TS]

00:52:11   and before this the fuel emission [TS]

00:52:13   standards and and efficiency standards [TS]

00:52:15   are so strict right now like eat that [TS]

00:52:18   the the standard so aggressive for [TS]

00:52:21   especially the US and actually i think i [TS]

00:52:23   think in Europe they're even more [TS]

00:52:24   aggressive aren't in many ways but the [TS]

00:52:26   standard so aggressive that there's a [TS]

00:52:30   lot less room for individuality it 44 [TS]

00:52:35   wildly different priorities in car [TS]

00:52:38   design among all the big brands because [TS]

00:52:40   now it's like like you have to have this [TS]

00:52:42   certain average of fuel economy among [TS]

00:52:45   your line and [TS]

00:52:46   all the cards have to be at least this [TS]

00:52:48   and if you do this and that attack [TS]

00:52:49   accessory John I think it's mostly a [TS]

00:52:51   cost concerns like we can make cars [TS]

00:52:53   fuel-efficient just depending on cost [TS]

00:52:55   like you all you gotta do is lighter [TS]

00:52:56   materials is so easy to do but lighter [TS]

00:52:57   materials cost more money so i think i [TS]

00:52:59   think we're standardization hurts the [TS]

00:53:02   most [TS]

00:53:02   safety standardization particular hurts [TS]

00:53:04   the most is in styling variation because [TS]

00:53:07   you cannot pass this the arbitrary test [TS]

00:53:10   safety bumper crash-test types things [TS]

00:53:13   without some minimal overhang size like [TS]

00:53:15   unless you use exotic materials when you [TS]

00:53:17   have a price problem so that's why i [TS]

00:53:19   like the the porsche boxster concept [TS]

00:53:21   that everybody loved the first actual [TS]

00:53:24   boxed off the assembly line like the [TS]

00:53:25   production version did not look nearly [TS]

00:53:27   as good you like well it's like the same [TS]

00:53:29   thing is it but now they had to make all [TS]

00:53:30   the overhangs bigger and make everything [TS]

00:53:32   wide around like you can't make almost [TS]

00:53:34   concept cars look amazing [TS]

00:53:36   none of them would pass the US safety [TS]

00:53:37   that standards and it impacts styling it [TS]

00:53:40   impacts how you can make a real car [TS]

00:53:43   looks like a concept car not because of [TS]

00:53:44   you know materials or anything all [TS]

00:53:46   documents is because of styling you just [TS]

00:53:48   you just have to put these bloated puffy [TS]

00:53:50   things all around it because it's not [TS]

00:53:53   tenable to make a car that looks like [TS]

00:53:55   you know what you want from concept cars [TS]

00:53:56   is not a lot of space around the wheels [TS]

00:53:58   in the wheel wells not very long [TS]

00:54:00   overhangs very low slung you know all [TS]

00:54:02   sorts of things that are terrible for [TS]

00:54:04   safety but look really cool help [TS]

00:54:06   well it's not why the the kidneys on the [TS]

00:54:09   BMW are no longer touch the hood [TS]

00:54:11   I thought that was the case because the [TS]

00:54:13   kidneys on my car in the onion nineties [TS]

00:54:15   there they stay put when you open the [TS]

00:54:18   hood in it and for the longest time as [TS]

00:54:19   far as I was aware when you raise the [TS]

00:54:21   hood the kidneys one with them when i [TS]

00:54:23   went with the hood on BMWs and I thought [TS]

00:54:25   that was because of pedestrian safety [TS]

00:54:26   that that changed in later you might [TS]

00:54:28   because they're like especially cars [TS]

00:54:31   designed for the European market have to [TS]

00:54:33   do a lot more pedestrian safety than we [TS]

00:54:35   have in the US and any and you can see [TS]

00:54:38   this with almost all of the recent [TS]

00:54:39   designs from BMW and audi and mercedes [TS]

00:54:42   you can see how the Mercedes never [TS]

00:54:45   really had this problem because their [TS]

00:54:47   cars are always big boxes on the front [TS]

00:54:48   there they're still trying to soften [TS]

00:54:50   their their previous styling but like [TS]

00:54:52   cars that used to have more angular [TS]

00:54:54   pointy fronts those can't exist anymore [TS]

00:54:57   really because of the pedestrian safety [TS]

00:54:59   things that we [TS]

00:55:00   the idea being if you if you hit a [TS]

00:55:02   pedestrian on the front of your car then [TS]

00:55:04   if it's shaped in a certain way they [TS]

00:55:06   will fall or be impacted in a way less [TS]

00:55:09   likely to injure them and somewhat i [TS]

00:55:11   don't know i don't know the details i [TS]

00:55:12   have to have the airbags for the people [TS]

00:55:13   that yes absent those are great ideas [TS]

00:55:16   you know one area that BMW was ahead in [TS]

00:55:18   terms of modern front-end styling is [TS]

00:55:20   that Mercedes had used to have the like [TS]

00:55:24   the three-pointed star in a circle [TS]

00:55:26   sticking vertically up and out of their [TS]

00:55:28   thing ready whenever these rice has [TS]

00:55:30   rolls-royce has the Spirit of Ecstasy [TS]

00:55:31   thing there and everything and so people [TS]

00:55:33   would yank those things off of mercedes [TS]

00:55:35   and that's why rolls-royce now when you [TS]

00:55:36   park the car the little Spirit of [TS]

00:55:37   Ecstasy thing Goes Down Goes Down like a [TS]

00:55:39   little elevator into your car so when [TS]

00:55:41   your way no one will steal it all but [TS]

00:55:42   because that's a very popular thing to [TS]

00:55:44   do but BMW as far as i know we're always [TS]

00:55:46   had the propeller logo flat like you [TS]

00:55:49   know not sticking out not something [TS]

00:55:51   that's easy to rip off not something [TS]

00:55:53   that's going to impale the pedestrian [TS]

00:55:54   yeah and actually a to go back just a [TS]

00:55:59   quick step marco i do believe that Volvo [TS]

00:56:02   has a european delivery program if you'd [TS]

00:56:03   like to change your mind about the m5 [TS]

00:56:05   they're made in Europe all these swedish [TS]

00:56:09   are they not still like today they're [TS]

00:56:11   still made over there I think that [TS]

00:56:13   surprised i'm not going to lie i'm [TS]

00:56:15   probably in trouble involving friends I [TS]

00:56:16   don't know how much platform sharing [TS]

00:56:18   there is both forward maybe they've [TS]

00:56:20   maybe there's to maintain complete [TS]

00:56:22   independence i'm not sure but like I [TS]

00:56:24   should slide over too much because the [TS]

00:56:26   ball was the first nice car that my [TS]

00:56:28   parents bought after like I was in [TS]

00:56:30   college and my sister things out of [TS]

00:56:31   college and like they decided okay but [TS]

00:56:33   it's safe for us to buy a nice car they [TS]

00:56:35   leased a volvo v70 which was the first [TS]

00:56:38   like actual sporty volvo is still kinda [TS]

00:56:41   looks like a box but it had you know [TS]

00:56:43   low-profile alloy wheels and a [TS]

00:56:45   turbocharged five-cylinder engine and it [TS]

00:56:48   was so much faster than the minivan let [TS]

00:56:50   me tell you the other city is what was [TS]

00:56:53   the what was there a sedan variant [TS]

00:56:55   similar to this is at least the v70 was [TS]

00:56:58   a man obviously actually wagon online [TS]

00:57:01   yeah we didn't have the wagon me the [TS]

00:57:02   sedan was black it looked like yeah if [TS]

00:57:04   your cars like we get it in black you [TS]

00:57:06   know it you if you squinted it look like [TS]

00:57:08   a fancy hybrid the wheels in particular [TS]

00:57:10   look a little slanted propeller things [TS]

00:57:11   if you're looking at it [TS]

00:57:12   alloy wheels with those little things [TS]

00:57:13   that was just the hottest car [TS]

00:57:16   my family has ever owned yeah we had a [TS]

00:57:18   not not great to drive but it was really [TS]

00:57:19   fast [TS]

00:57:20   I was friends with a Volvo family and in [TS]

00:57:23   high school and still stone from them [TS]

00:57:25   actually but like they did kind of [TS]

00:57:27   family that all they ever had was all [TS]

00:57:28   those for a long time I they probably [TS]

00:57:31   did happen anymore works kind of always [TS]

00:57:32   problem but it was on it and this was [TS]

00:57:36   like they're like the first really [TS]

00:57:38   awesome fancy car that i was in a [TS]

00:57:39   regular basis was one looks very similar [TS]

00:57:41   to this but it was it was definitely a [TS]

00:57:43   sedan bill it was probably the same [TS]

00:57:45   generation probably from the same year [TS]

00:57:47   like like 98 97 something like that and [TS]

00:57:51   break our fast and actually the only [TS]

00:57:54   accident I was ever in that was [TS]

00:57:57   meaningful at all was a in their old [TS]

00:58:01   Volvo that they let their son my friend [TS]

00:58:02   drive and it was it you know you know [TS]

00:58:04   the votes from probably the early [TS]

00:58:07   eighties maybe that everybody had it's [TS]

00:58:11   just like the sedan with like those like [TS]

00:58:13   slatted headrests you know everyone has [TS]

00:58:16   these gonna get everyone's leaving use [TS]

00:58:18   you know everyone a headrest to expand [TS]

00:58:20   too many cars are many generations i [TS]

00:58:21   think it's still involved directly [TS]

00:58:23   signature one of their signature things [TS]

00:58:25   i think i would have looked at a modern [TS]

00:58:26   why would they keep that hope they were [TS]

00:58:28   terrible the whole thing is they had a [TS]

00:58:30   big head rest covered the whole back of [TS]

00:58:31   your head instead of just being a little [TS]

00:58:32   knob that was like the nape of your neck [TS]

00:58:34   you know like seventies and sixties like [TS]

00:58:36   they said no we're gonna have a whole [TS]

00:58:37   thing behind your head looks incredibly [TS]

00:58:38   dorky but anyway it was a it was one of [TS]

00:58:42   those like ancient Volvo's we're like [TS]

00:58:44   5th gear was a button instead of being [TS]

00:58:46   on the hill acutely it was a stick but [TS]

00:58:47   like 50 was like an overdrive . on [TS]

00:58:49   overdrive yeah the press the overdrive [TS]

00:58:51   button and it wouldn't engage a lot of [TS]

00:58:53   time yes and I mean a lot of things that [TS]

00:58:55   card didn't work obviously didn't have [TS]

00:58:57   air conditioning or if it did it had [TS]

00:58:58   long since broken it you know like that [TS]

00:59:00   the stereo would only work sometimes and [TS]

00:59:02   some stations and yeah lots of problems [TS]

00:59:05   but anyway yeah only maximize every was [TS]

00:59:08   in that ancient volvo that my friend is [TS]

00:59:10   driving where he just like he ran a red [TS]

00:59:14   light in a rainstorm a little bit and [TS]

00:59:15   hit somebody turning left and just you [TS]

00:59:17   know head-to-head low-speed the entire [TS]

00:59:21   front of the car like the whole hood [TS]

00:59:24   just crumbled [TS]

00:59:26   and I remember if at first thinking wow [TS]

00:59:28   I thought those were supposed to be safe [TS]

00:59:30   and then eventually I realized well [TS]

00:59:32   that's exactly what it's supposed to do [TS]

00:59:33   and it's it takes all the impact on the [TS]

00:59:36   front section so that doesn't reach the [TS]

00:59:38   passenger compartment like obviously [TS]

00:59:40   that's that's a good thing but at the [TS]

00:59:42   time like I remember thinking that was [TS]

00:59:44   not a very strong impact to cause that [TS]

00:59:46   amount of visual damage but hey it was a [TS]

00:59:49   safe car and then they his parents gave [TS]

00:59:51   him the other one he crashed that one a [TS]

00:59:53   few years later [TS]

00:59:55   nice but this is bothering me that i [TS]

00:59:57   can't find a picture of my dance cards [TS]

00:59:59   now I don't know [TS]

00:59:59   now I don't know [TS]

01:00:00   it was the v70 r and s 70 I'm having [TS]

01:00:02   such trouble finding pretty sure it was [TS]

01:00:03   not to be 70 because wikipedia seems to [TS]

01:00:05   think 370 was a wagon it was well thank [TS]

01:00:08   you guys don't know what the bed was it [TS]

01:00:09   was the was the first honest I gotta [TS]

01:00:13   find this cars really probably maybe i'm [TS]

01:00:15   looking at the wikipedia it looks like [TS]

01:00:16   it's the s74 sort something very similar [TS]

01:00:18   if it's not that it might have been back [TS]

01:00:20   when they were numbers like 850 850 [TS]

01:00:23   turbo no yes I've forgotten about that i [TS]

01:00:26   thought but you're right now I'm looking [TS]

01:00:29   at know the one I'm thinking of at least [TS]

01:00:31   almost positive was like a nineteen [TS]

01:00:33   ninety eight or so s70 yeah anyway [TS]

01:00:38   meanwhile we all good haha nothing is [TS]

01:00:41   nothing more interesting to listen to a [TS]

01:00:43   podcast about people browsing the [TS]

01:00:45   internet the magic of editing know [TS]

01:00:47   you'll fix this fix it yeah of course [TS]

01:00:49   yeah [TS]

01:00:50   what what's the there are some things [TS]

01:00:52   that are almost as interesting is that [TS]

01:00:53   though there are things like a podcast [TS]

01:00:56   about skype problems [TS]

01:00:57   those are always fun and follow follow [TS]

01:00:59   very closely by podcast about podcasting [TS]

01:01:02   equipment that's that's almost always oh [TS]

01:01:05   yeah what kind of bike do you have oh [TS]

01:01:06   yeah what kind of headphones do you have [TS]

01:01:08   you got a mixer with that we recording [TS]

01:01:11   into logic [TS]

01:01:12   yeah really using some compression yeah [TS]

01:01:16   that's awesome you're making me false [TS]

01:01:17   yeah isn't it great [TS]

01:01:18   I have other topics but they're all [TS]

01:01:21   pretty big you wanna know why the i [TS]

01:01:23   don't know i don't want to dress them [TS]

01:01:24   now i guess i will say one thing though [TS]

01:01:26   it has nothing to do with what we've [TS]

01:01:27   talked about so far but I keep almost [TS]

01:01:29   forgetting to bring this up so you know [TS]

01:01:34   a few few decades ago by now maybe a [TS]

01:01:37   decade ago [TS]

01:01:38   yeah about a decade ago there is the [TS]

01:01:41   trend where all the cars briefly had [TS]

01:01:43   alltel style taillights and i'm sure you [TS]

01:01:47   guys know those are ya the the ones were [TS]

01:01:50   all the lights are like in little [TS]

01:01:51   circles and it's like clear and silver [TS]

01:01:54   ya thinkin uh what were you however you [TS]

01:01:56   describe those I've never heard that [TS]

01:01:57   term altes you do you know here at the [TS]

01:02:00   history that basically a you know jack [TS]

01:02:01   about it is it's there was a japanese [TS]

01:02:04   version of the lexus is it was released [TS]

01:02:06   their called the altezza like the very [TS]

01:02:07   first model in like like 99 2000 [TS]

01:02:10   something around there [TS]

01:02:11   and briefly or it that the style of its [TS]

01:02:16   tail lights basically rather than having [TS]

01:02:18   the whole square of the brake light be [TS]

01:02:20   read just the middle circle of it was [TS]

01:02:22   red and the whole rest of it was silver [TS]

01:02:24   and a clear reflector so that your [TS]

01:02:28   lights were mostly looking silver least [TS]

01:02:30   a little bit of red in the middle and [TS]

01:02:32   this style carbon and became kind of a [TS]

01:02:35   design fat and cars for probably good [TS]

01:02:37   five years where for those fight like [TS]

01:02:40   the Nissan Altima did a really really [TS]

01:02:42   brute force copy job of it where it [TS]

01:02:45   looked terrible [TS]

01:02:46   chances are if you picture nissan altima [TS]

01:02:48   you will probably picture the model i'm [TS]

01:02:51   thinking of where just had this [TS]

01:02:52   tremendous ugly alternative style [TS]

01:02:54   taillight [TS]

01:02:55   so anyway those look terrible and I [TS]

01:02:57   started thinking about light stylings [TS]

01:03:00   and what seems to be going on now is the [TS]

01:03:05   daylight running lights turning into [TS]

01:03:07   rings or lines or other like vector [TS]

01:03:12   shapes made from leds in or you know why [TS]

01:03:16   for their brand it's okay i so like I [TS]

01:03:20   think the coming to started doing this [TS]

01:03:22   in the modern style first i think is [TS]

01:03:24   probably audi would you say like we're [TS]

01:03:27   like the the audi and he started doing [TS]

01:03:29   the LED rings in like angular shapes and [TS]

01:03:33   lines around the headlights [TS]

01:03:35   I think before everyone else is that no [TS]

01:03:38   no way not before BMW angel eyes really [TS]

01:03:41   i well I don't know you're actually [TS]

01:03:44   enjoy it will hold I don't know if he is [TS]

01:03:46   looking around for this for describing [TS]

01:03:47   that ok so i was going to say those [TS]

01:03:49   Angel Eyes in at least when they were [TS]

01:03:52   new were not led so if we're staying [TS]

01:03:54   strictly leds and you're right they [TS]

01:03:56   don't care i think is so and John you're [TS]

01:03:58   talking about this this trend now the [TS]

01:04:01   ugly headlights on audis and BMWs about [TS]

01:04:04   those so and i know the ultimate you're [TS]

01:04:06   talking about I did I don't mind the [TS]

01:04:08   ultimate taillights as much as you seem [TS]

01:04:09   to be out there it was just so much [TS]

01:04:12   silver and it looked at and light felt [TS]

01:04:15   all that anyway so so now it's funny how [TS]

01:04:19   like in the last few years as LED [TS]

01:04:20   headlights are starting to filter into [TS]

01:04:22   two more models or at least as an option [TS]

01:04:24   as a high [TS]

01:04:25   and option we're seeing a lot of brands [TS]

01:04:28   kind of tackle this themselves and I [TS]

01:04:30   think almost all of them look awful [TS]

01:04:32   I think out these look great and and I [TS]

01:04:34   think we're struggling so where you [TS]

01:04:36   think you think the little the little [TS]

01:04:37   accent line eyebrow things that are you [TS]

01:04:39   look great [TS]

01:04:40   usually there are some models really go [TS]

01:04:42   kind of weird because what about the [TS]

01:04:43   thing is like it felt like the way the [TS]

01:04:46   car in front of a car [TS]

01:04:47   usually it kind of folks are facing ways [TS]

01:04:49   as you always like to say John this is [TS]

01:04:52   kind of like mascara or eyeliner is what [TS]

01:04:54   it smells like scarring but someone's [TS]

01:04:58   got a symmetric it's like it's this is [TS]

01:05:01   very bold accent that usually has a very [TS]

01:05:04   distinct shape to be visible from a [TS]

01:05:08   while away and you can identify and say [TS]

01:05:09   oh that's an outie and and they are [TS]

01:05:12   kinda shaped like like eyeliner around [TS]

01:05:14   the headlights and and so like some cars [TS]

01:05:16   do it really well look really awesome [TS]

01:05:17   and some cars it just looks terrible on [TS]

01:05:19   and like what I even saw the other day [TS]

01:05:21   this is what do you think about talking [TS]

01:05:23   about it I saw somebody had added this [TS]

01:05:26   their car with an aftermarket [TS]

01:05:28   modification [TS]

01:05:29   yeah and and what it appeared that they [TS]

01:05:31   did i'm not sure if this was like an [TS]

01:05:33   ironic comment on these things or or if [TS]

01:05:36   it was actually a legitimate attempt to [TS]

01:05:38   to add these to their car [TS]

01:05:39   it appeared as though they had just [TS]

01:05:41   somehow attached white tube lights like [TS]

01:05:47   christmas lights like you see in college [TS]

01:05:48   dorms as tube robot knows it [TS]

01:05:52   thats it seemed like they just like tape [TS]

01:05:53   those on around the headlights in the [TS]

01:05:56   approximate shape of Audis and I mean it [TS]

01:05:59   looked hilarious it was so bad and and [TS]

01:06:02   we'll do a whole episode sometime on [TS]

01:06:04   aftermarket modifications and and good [TS]

01:06:06   and bad but i don't know i mean like [TS]

01:06:09   what do you guys think of these things I [TS]

01:06:10   i just think that it's one of these [TS]

01:06:13   design elements I i think we're going to [TS]

01:06:15   see similar to what we were saying back [TS]

01:06:17   in the episode about digital speedometer [TS]

01:06:21   screens and and turning into those [TS]

01:06:23   things I think we're going to see a [TS]

01:06:24   period over the next five years or so [TS]

01:06:26   where people are going to go a little [TS]

01:06:29   bit too crazy car designer going to a [TS]

01:06:32   little bit too crazy with these weird [TS]

01:06:33   led eyeliner headlight things and it's [TS]

01:06:37   gonna we're gonna have some [TS]

01:06:38   periods are really extreme tackiness [TS]

01:06:40   before we get back to like pulling back [TS]

01:06:42   to an average common way of using this I [TS]

01:06:45   hope they I hope they learn the lesson [TS]

01:06:48   about it because I he's kind of taking [TS]

01:06:49   one for the team by by being a luxury [TS]

01:06:51   brand having enough money to you know to [TS]

01:06:53   put those leds on all these cars is a [TS]

01:06:55   characteristic and so everyone can look [TS]

01:06:57   at the audi line and say we don't want [TS]

01:06:59   to do that so lets you know hopefully [TS]

01:07:00   rain their people and because i think [TS]

01:07:02   that takes the front of a part like I [TS]

01:07:04   like the friend of most Abby's except [TS]

01:07:06   except for maybe the giant grill from [TS]

01:07:07   floor to ceiling and it ruins it just [TS]

01:07:10   like it depends on the shape of the [TS]

01:07:12   accent line so max online better than [TS]

01:07:14   others but all of them make the [TS]

01:07:16   front-end look worse than it would [TS]

01:07:18   without those lights on i feel like in [TS]

01:07:19   so when you know it comes down so your [TS]

01:07:22   you know your ford focus on your honda [TS]

01:07:24   civic can afford to have LED lighting [TS]

01:07:26   everywhere hopefully we will have [TS]

01:07:28   converged on on something looks nice i [TS]

01:07:30   think the main objection I have two [TS]

01:07:32   little Audi things is that they they [TS]

01:07:34   seem like they're drawn on the face they [TS]

01:07:37   don't conform to the shape of the car or [TS]

01:07:40   the headlights they're not they're not [TS]

01:07:41   part of the styling their yeah here's [TS]

01:07:43   the starting of the car looks nice and [TS]

01:07:44   then draw the squiggly line in front of [TS]

01:07:46   the school I'm does not it's not part of [TS]

01:07:47   the body lines it's not part of the air [TS]

01:07:49   flow lines it's like it's like a little [TS]

01:07:50   Groucho Marx mustache you drawn a [TS]

01:07:52   picture of someone you don't know what [TS]

01:07:54   that is in front of those cars [TS]

01:07:55   yeah that's what your dad you're totally [TS]

01:07:56   right about that I totally see that and [TS]

01:07:58   that is because that you're right they [TS]

01:07:59   always kind of look they look [TS]

01:08:01   artificially tacked on you know as bad [TS]

01:08:04   as their the taping the rope lights to [TS]

01:08:05   your thing but just more expensive [TS]

01:08:06   version right [TS]

01:08:08   see I look at it a little differently [TS]

01:08:10   and I guess I i don't really have an [TS]

01:08:14   opinion one way or the other whether or [TS]

01:08:15   not like Audi's are good or bad I have [TS]

01:08:17   to me it's I don't really care but the [TS]

01:08:20   way I look at it and I've looked at it [TS]

01:08:21   this way even before I got a BMW and [TS]

01:08:23   forgot that there are other cars that [TS]

01:08:25   are good [TS]

01:08:26   I'm nervous now I don't know but [TS]

01:08:28   supposedly they're out there i don't [TS]

01:08:29   remember anymore [TS]

01:08:30   I know anyway I the way I look at it is [TS]

01:08:33   you know BMW the angel eyes for a long [TS]

01:08:35   time I i don't i'm not going to venture [TS]

01:08:37   a guess a number but I but it's been [TS]

01:08:38   awhile that they've had the angel eyes [TS]

01:08:40   and I don't to my recollection I don't [TS]

01:08:43   know of any other car maker that did [TS]

01:08:44   anything equivalent and then i think [TS]

01:08:46   around the time that Audi or Mercedes or [TS]

01:08:48   whomever were like hey man we should [TS]

01:08:50   jump on that band [TS]

01:08:51   dragon at that time I think the [TS]

01:08:53   technology that improves such that leds [TS]

01:08:55   not only were they able to be used in an [TS]

01:08:58   affordable way but also as a [TS]

01:09:00   differentiator away from the angel eyes [TS]

01:09:02   so look we've got fancy leds aren't we [TS]

01:09:04   so special and I just feel like it's a [TS]

01:09:06   kind of it it's just a ripoff it's like [TS]

01:09:08   the Samsung inning of BMW not a rip off [TS]

01:09:12   its own thing I give a total credit for [TS]

01:09:14   being its own thing because like that [TS]

01:09:16   you know the BMW thing was that circles [TS]

01:09:17   to two circles that's you know that's [TS]

01:09:19   what BMW headlights look like and you [TS]

01:09:21   know forever right and Audi's are fried [TS]

01:09:24   eggs they're not they're not surprised [TS]

01:09:26   they didn't you know they're there [TS]

01:09:27   friday with Groucho Marx mustache [TS]

01:09:28   shutdown my ID doing something [TS]

01:09:30   distinctive with your headlights not you [TS]

01:09:32   can't fence off the entire region of [TS]

01:09:33   change and i don't i don't see this is a [TS]

01:09:36   rebel even though like I'm actually [TS]

01:09:38   amazed this is actually a great example [TS]

01:09:39   of how competition is supposed to work [TS]

01:09:42   audi BMW and uh Mercedes all you know [TS]

01:09:46   sort of neighbors to each other right [TS]

01:09:48   all competing in the same market and yet [TS]

01:09:51   not producing copycat cars like there [TS]

01:09:55   are distinct you know they have distinct [TS]

01:09:56   personalities styling wise i feel like [TS]

01:09:58   they're you know they're they're all [TS]

01:10:00   very distinct from each other in every [TS]

01:10:01   possible way and this is in stark [TS]

01:10:03   contrast to like Toyota wants to get [TS]

01:10:05   into luxury market so it makes a Toyota [TS]

01:10:07   Mercedes like the lexus ls400 the [TS]

01:10:09   original model was basically a complete [TS]

01:10:11   ripoff of the Mercedes in terms of [TS]

01:10:13   styling and and you know every possible [TS]

01:10:15   aspect and you know it better than [TS]

01:10:17   Mercedes was way cheaper like it was a [TS]

01:10:19   great car and everything but it was so [TS]

01:10:20   clearly that was a samsung what likes to [TS]

01:10:23   Mercedes that was totally a samsung [TS]

01:10:25   saying but I feel like those three guys [TS]

01:10:27   out of mercedes and BMW for the most [TS]

01:10:30   part are following their own paths and [TS]

01:10:32   producing lines of cars that are [TS]

01:10:34   distinct i would say that's true in [TS]

01:10:36   their styling that they they very rarely [TS]

01:10:38   rip anything off styling wise from each [TS]

01:10:40   other and go or really from anybody for [TS]

01:10:42   that matter all three of them tend to [TS]

01:10:44   have very original styles and and [TS]

01:10:46   styling elements but they rip each other [TS]

01:10:49   off constantly on features and on on and [TS]

01:10:52   what model introducing yeah you know and [TS]

01:10:54   just I guess to some extent you kind of [TS]

01:10:55   have to do that but like like almost [TS]

01:10:57   every valid like most everything new [TS]

01:10:59   model that comes out from one of them is [TS]

01:11:01   a response to the success that another [TS]

01:11:03   crazy model from the other [TS]

01:11:05   and had been having recently like we [TS]

01:11:07   like we discussed in a few episodes ago [TS]

01:11:08   the audi a7 the audi a7 is a direct [TS]

01:11:11   ripoff of the Mercedes I the CLS there's [TS]

01:11:14   one of its like it looks just like this [TS]

01:11:15   is not a better thing by the development [TS]

01:11:18   times for car platforms are so long [TS]

01:11:20   where everyone is starting like everyone [TS]

01:11:22   had started there [TS]

01:11:23   we're gonna make SUVs project like [TS]

01:11:24   Mercedes got their m-class out before [TS]

01:11:26   the other guys but everyone had started [TS]

01:11:28   that project we need an SUV platform and [TS]

01:11:30   it's like it's it's simultaneous [TS]

01:11:32   invention because of what the market [TS]

01:11:33   wants and so like depending on who got [TS]

01:11:35   there first and like kind of staggered [TS]

01:11:37   you know where you know a couple years [TS]

01:11:38   ahead of you guys in our project the [TS]

01:11:40   development times when these things are [TS]

01:11:41   so long ago I know we have to make some [TS]

01:11:43   sort of coop hybrid cross over like [TS]

01:11:46   that's popular now they all started the [TS]

01:11:48   project those things you've got them you [TS]

01:11:50   know and they come out of different [TS]

01:11:51   times and just because like I don't know [TS]

01:11:52   who is the first one with the ugly coupe [TS]

01:11:54   you know thing that came out with like [TS]

01:11:56   he was calling the a7 ripoff of the CLS [TS]

01:11:58   or something like it just who beats you [TS]

01:11:59   buy a couple years so it's not like the [TS]

01:12:01   other one saw that one and you started a [TS]

01:12:02   multi-year project to produce that that [TS]

01:12:04   car very rarely is that the case I feel [TS]

01:12:06   like all of them are going forward in [TS]

01:12:08   the same direction and kind of making [TS]

01:12:09   obvious moves and it's just a question [TS]

01:12:12   of who is program who has a platform [TS]

01:12:14   it's great that all actually we're [TS]

01:12:15   arriving the class platform that's what [TS]

01:12:16   we want to use you gotta wait until the [TS]

01:12:17   new e-class comes out and then you can [TS]

01:12:19   you know produce your ugly crossover [TS]

01:12:21   thing or whatever so I i give them the [TS]

01:12:23   benefit of the doubt here and like when [TS]

01:12:25   we talk about samsung we're talking [TS]

01:12:27   about stuff we're like use the same [TS]

01:12:28   freaking icons for the control lights [TS]

01:12:30   like it's that's what we're talking [TS]

01:12:31   about what we're not saying hey you [TS]

01:12:33   decide to make a smartphone to and [TS]

01:12:34   that's what we're talking about like oh [TS]

01:12:35   so you have off automatic following just [TS]

01:12:37   a suggestion cruise control they're all [TS]

01:12:39   going to happen everyone's gonna do that [TS]

01:12:40   you know it that's a fair point i guess [TS]

01:12:42   the thing that that that makes me feel [TS]

01:12:45   the lights issue specifically a little [TS]

01:12:47   bit different is because if I'm honest I [TS]

01:12:49   i guess you could say that the the angel [TS]

01:12:52   eyes are daytime running lights I think [TS]

01:12:54   strictly speaking that's what BMW [TS]

01:12:55   considers them but rather than just [TS]

01:12:57   having a dim regular light they made a [TS]

01:13:01   statement by having the angel eyes [TS]

01:13:03   separate sites and right into me that [TS]

01:13:06   was the the orders genesis of doing [TS]

01:13:09   something having like bespoke lighting [TS]

01:13:11   and so that's why I feel the lighting is [TS]

01:13:14   a little bit of an also-ran or me too me [TS]

01:13:16   too [TS]

01:13:17   because everyone was like well you can [TS]

01:13:19   always see him [TS]

01:13:20   BMW coming down the road because you've [TS]

01:13:21   got the four circles looking at you feel [TS]

01:13:23   like he should have had that lighting [TS]

01:13:25   style like damn it actually is not for [TS]

01:13:26   you right now separated writer kidneys [TS]

01:13:30   is a really good . i never considered [TS]

01:13:34   but you know that I guess a lot of edges [TS]

01:13:37   to me the lights are all the different [TS]

01:13:38   although by and large I agree with [TS]

01:13:40   everything both you guys just said night [TS]

01:13:41   and I do think that the three makes do a [TS]

01:13:43   very good job of taking a unique spin on [TS]

01:13:47   on designs especially on body styles [TS]

01:13:51   even if they're they're effectively the [TS]

01:13:53   same car or even just things like [TS]

01:13:54   powertrains or what it feels like to be [TS]

01:13:57   in ya hard drive them like it various [TS]

01:13:59   times they've swapped places and stuff [TS]

01:14:00   my least everyone is how Mercedes used [TS]

01:14:04   to be ugly boring and Audi and BMW sleek [TS]

01:14:07   and nice and then BMW became mutant and [TS]

01:14:11   ugly and Mercedes all the sudden got [TS]

01:14:13   interesting looking like that type of [TS]

01:14:15   horse trading and how to use to be the [TS]

01:14:16   also-ran with the unintended [TS]

01:14:18   acceleration thing pushing them out of [TS]

01:14:20   the US market for a while not out but [TS]

01:14:22   like you know yeah I don't know if they [TS]

01:14:24   were actually left the market but they [TS]

01:14:26   had a dark time and then they were [TS]

01:14:27   researching now these cavities kind of [TS]

01:14:28   like the Apple where it's like they were [TS]

01:14:29   counted out who's just BMW Mercedes and [TS]

01:14:31   now he's coming roaring back and you [TS]

01:14:34   know by selling good cars that people [TS]

01:14:35   like and competing with this two big [TS]

01:14:37   guys so that those three companies are [TS]

01:14:40   are an interesting story and I also feel [TS]

01:14:42   like we have a different view of those [TS]

01:14:43   three companies in the US because again [TS]

01:14:45   i imagine you know in Europe this cars [TS]

01:14:48   by these manufacturers that are not [TS]

01:14:49   fancy that are like hatchbacks and stuff [TS]

01:14:51   that we don't we're always thinking of [TS]

01:14:52   like you know [TS]

01:14:54   30 grand plus luxury sedans and coupes [TS]

01:14:56   and that's all that's what we think we [TS]

01:14:59   think it was three bands but i guess [TS]

01:15:00   they're just like regular karmakar not [TS]

01:15:01   regular but more regular car makers and [TS]

01:15:04   you're right there let you know in [TS]

01:15:05   Europe they have mid-range cars whereas [TS]

01:15:07   here like we only get the high-end [TS]

01:15:08   models for the most part relatively [TS]

01:15:11   speaking but there they have a whole [TS]

01:15:12   mid-range line that just don't bring [TS]

01:15:14   here be pretty good because they don't [TS]

01:15:16   think it would be competitive i don't [TS]

01:15:17   know is that it's also i mean like why [TS]

01:15:20   don't we have a low-end cars from them [TS]

01:15:22   is it is it because they don't think [TS]

01:15:24   they'd be able to compete with my condo [TS]

01:15:26   and toyota and ford in the u.s. I think [TS]

01:15:28   that's possible but I think it's also a [TS]

01:15:30   I don't know anything about marketing [TS]

01:15:32   but I would assume if it were me making [TS]

01:15:34   the decisions i don't know that I'd want [TS]

01:15:35   to water down my brand my brand in the [TS]

01:15:38   sense that you know these are luxury [TS]

01:15:40   makes in America and everyone if you see [TS]

01:15:42   somebody with an audi or BMW or Mercedes [TS]

01:15:45   you assume either the the implied [TS]

01:15:47   assumption is this person has done well [TS]

01:15:50   for him or herself and and so on and so [TS]

01:15:52   forth words if you have a bunch of [TS]

01:15:54   basically Volkswagen golf's running [TS]

01:15:56   around then that's the predominant model [TS]

01:15:59   that your make is selling in in a [TS]

01:16:01   country then it's not special anymore [TS]

01:16:03   it's just another forward yeah that [TS]

01:16:05   brand stuff it really has an impact [TS]

01:16:07   because you know if you're talking about [TS]

01:16:09   cars casually like a gathering and [TS]

01:16:11   someone says what kind of car you have [TS]

01:16:12   you say you have a Mercedes they're not [TS]

01:16:13   picturing a stick shift hatchback with a [TS]

01:16:15   diesel they're not you know like not the [TS]

01:16:18   Mercedes probably makes that kind of car [TS]

01:16:19   anywhere but they used to and you're you [TS]

01:16:21   know that they have a picture in their [TS]

01:16:22   mind it is not it's not match back it's [TS]

01:16:25   not a cheap car it's not a small car [TS]

01:16:28   it's it's something different and you [TS]

01:16:30   can't you can't overcome that like you [TS]

01:16:31   wouldn't want to overcome that when i [TS]

01:16:32   bring you say I have a BMW they're not [TS]

01:16:34   picturing that stupid little hatchback [TS]

01:16:36   thing they tried to sell here 318 [TS]

01:16:38   whatever the hell it was 318ti or [TS]

01:16:40   something [TS]

01:16:40   yep they're they're just they don't [TS]

01:16:42   they're not picturing that and so you [TS]

01:16:44   you are like you can't turn people [TS]

01:16:47   around like you people I feel like if [TS]

01:16:48   you bought a cheap car like that you [TS]

01:16:50   would you feel bad is saying that you [TS]

01:16:53   own a Mercedes because you know what [TS]

01:16:54   people are thinking and that's not [TS]

01:16:56   that's not like me that's not the [TS]

01:16:57   reality and so like I'll pick you up but [TS]

01:16:59   just look for the red Mercedes and [TS]

01:17:00   someone's all excited then you come meet [TS]

01:17:01   me but this will not like I thought you [TS]

01:17:05   uh it's not you know and that's kind of [TS]

01:17:08   even total feels that when they make [TS]

01:17:10   like Toyota is not like a luxury brand [TS]

01:17:11   by any means but they have a certain [TS]

01:17:13   reputation and so that you know sion [TS]

01:17:15   it's like okay well these are going to [TS]

01:17:16   be really cheap and crappy cars and [TS]

01:17:19   Toyota isn't trendy with kids and so [TS]

01:17:22   let's make our own new brand is going to [TS]

01:17:23   be like the SuperDuper cheap but trendy [TS]

01:17:26   kid friendly first car you can afford it [TS]

01:17:29   it's really crappy at Syon you know that [TS]

01:17:32   everyone is sensitive of not moving [TS]

01:17:34   their brand off of where wherever it is [TS]

01:17:36   except apparently BMW was trying to sell [TS]

01:17:38   that you know [TS]

01:17:39   80 grand luxury car under the Volkswagen [TS]

01:17:42   brand and learned a hard lesson is there [TS]

01:17:44   ever a question like a buying situation [TS]

01:17:47   in which Sion is the right answer and [TS]

01:17:50   kids like them i think out there is [TS]

01:17:52   there's a situation and it's the FRS or [TS]

01:17:54   whatever it's called [TS]

01:17:55   oh you know is that is that under the [TS]

01:17:57   sign friend actually an american top [TS]

01:17:59   gear it's the gt86 there yeah it's [TS]

01:18:02   whatever the hell it also here that's [TS]

01:18:03   gonna be a scion is that working it is [TS]

01:18:05   it's it's not going down it is okay and [TS]

01:18:08   I didn't see them on the road and I [TS]

01:18:09   really like how they look on the road i [TS]

01:18:11   do as well every minds I still don't [TS]

01:18:13   like that light treatment or the table [TS]

01:18:14   and really but the overall shape I like [TS]

01:18:15   seeing a little rear-wheel-drive [TS]

01:18:17   Japanese car to our car on the road [TS]

01:18:20   again completely agree [TS]

01:18:23   and on that bombshell you know I've [TS]

01:18:25   actually before we go I i have looked up [TS]

01:18:27   my face in the chat room i'm ready to [TS]

01:18:29   college that my parents car was a $YEAR [TS]

01:18:31   volvo 850 turbo sedan because I the [TS]

01:18:33   picture I put on that sample colors my [TS]

01:18:35   dad's car was those the wheels that had [TS]

01:18:37   which is mostly how much identifying it [TS]

01:18:39   because i was so excited that we got a [TS]

01:18:40   car with like it's only because they [TS]

01:18:42   were standard the only reason we got [TS]

01:18:43   them we always got the only wheels never [TS]

01:18:45   spring for the nice one [TS]

01:18:46   finally we got because you could not get [TS]

01:18:48   this car with those wheels on and those [TS]

01:18:49   pliers that looks a lot more low-profile [TS]

01:18:51   in my memory but compared to compared to [TS]

01:18:52   the tires on a Honda Civic those are [TS]

01:18:54   pretty damn aggressive and wide tires [TS]

01:18:57   yeah actually a time look at the picture [TS]

01:19:00   i think this was the car my friends had [TS]

01:19:01   to what you already and there was a [TS]

01:19:04   little bit more rounded off i think what [TS]

01:19:05   was the year on this this is like 95 ish [TS]

01:19:09   something like that like this was the [TS]

01:19:10   first volvo to make a statement as hey [TS]

01:19:14   maybe of all those aren't boring anymore [TS]

01:19:16   like I mean still looking still boxy but [TS]

01:19:18   it was like look at those wheels and [TS]

01:19:19   it's actually kind of fast and people [TS]

01:19:21   were excited I thought I mean I thought [TS]

01:19:23   the one my friend had was really fast as [TS]

01:19:25   I would you know I was coming from [TS]

01:19:25   four-cylinder toyota's and so like [TS]

01:19:28   relatively speaking [TS]

01:19:29   it was a very fast car in a straight [TS]

01:19:32   line i'm trying to turn it was not a [TS]

01:19:33   flaw still kind of rocked a little bit [TS]

01:19:36   like a boat but yeah I had many fun [TS]

01:19:38   stoplight launches in this clear Notre [TS]

01:19:41   Ohio yeah that's true i've been through [TS]

01:19:45   Ohio there's nothing in ohio and [TS]

01:19:47   actually a piece of trivia the the [TS]

01:19:48   Valentine one that I have which is quite [TS]

01:19:50   old now actually bought it from a [TS]

01:19:52   gentleman [TS]

01:19:52   friend of my dads who had a vegan which [TS]

01:19:55   was like the hot rod sob at the time are [TS]

01:19:57   excused hard vote at the time [TS]

01:19:59   really what no was Assad crap this was [TS]

01:20:02   totally relevant cut that out [TS]

01:20:03   not going to I know you're not have some [TS]

01:20:07   i went to ride a friend of mine high [TS]

01:20:09   school had a saab turbo and turbo [TS]

01:20:10   chargers exciting when your kid because [TS]

01:20:12   it's like first there's no no car and [TS]

01:20:15   then all of a sudden engine appears and [TS]

01:20:16   yep exciting things happen and this is [TS]

01:20:18   the transition to the excitement of [TS]

01:20:20   course a front-wheel drive turbo sob was [TS]

01:20:22   like torque steer beast but yeah [TS]

01:20:25   exciting and now we gonna think we're [TS]

01:20:29   good [TS]