9: Everyone Loves A Spoiler


00:00:00   alright I'm ready yeah I'm good I'm [TS]

00:00:05   ready [TS]

00:00:05   say something fine something funny now [TS]

00:00:11   no takers there we go alright if I [TS]

00:00:14   waited long enough that's enough of the [TS]

00:00:16   start i had so brief some brief [TS]

00:00:19   follow-up on octane ratings [TS]

00:00:22   I i learned more than I thought I wanted [TS]

00:00:24   to but octane ratings because I got [TS]

00:00:26   stuck on Wikipedia but we mentioned John [TS]

00:00:29   you had mentioned last episode of the [TS]

00:00:31   one before i forget which about why you [TS]

00:00:32   like condo so much and and one of the [TS]

00:00:34   things that we talked about briefly was [TS]

00:00:36   that that you know honda has kept to [TS]

00:00:40   maintaining the requirement for minimum [TS]

00:00:43   like 87 octane gas and where there's a [TS]

00:00:46   lot of higher-end cars will require [TS]

00:00:49   premium for the higher compression and [TS]

00:00:53   we have a few notes on this one thing i [TS]

00:00:56   found interesting was at first I started [TS]

00:00:59   hearing about how how the octane ratings [TS]

00:01:02   in Europe or way higher that like and in [TS]

00:01:05   australia i think too that we heard that [TS]

00:01:07   that that like regular there was like 91 [TS]

00:01:10   octane and and you get like 95 and at [TS]

00:01:13   first I assumed that this was just the [TS]

00:01:17   u.s. having crappy your standards and [TS]

00:01:19   everybody else which is a fairly common [TS]

00:01:20   thing but but one thing that I later [TS]

00:01:23   learned with Wikipedia research is that [TS]

00:01:25   octane ratings are measured differently [TS]

00:01:26   depending on where you are and the u.s. [TS]

00:01:30   is method as the achy aki and then it [TS]

00:01:34   some other people use like the M [TS]

00:01:36   something and they are something Ron and [TS]

00:01:39   mana think anyway if you look at the [TS]

00:01:42   wikipedia page for octane and explains [TS]

00:01:44   all of this and so you can't directly [TS]

00:01:47   compared to random numbers you hear from [TS]

00:01:50   different countries necessarily because [TS]

00:01:52   they might be on different scales and IH [TS]

00:01:55   it's worth pointing out in case anyone [TS]

00:01:58   in our audience does not know this yet [TS]

00:02:01   it is a very very common misconception [TS]

00:02:04   that you should use higher octane rating [TS]

00:02:07   fuel than what your car calls for [TS]

00:02:08   because that will somehow lead to higher [TS]

00:02:11   economy or [TS]

00:02:12   better performance of your engine [TS]

00:02:14   neither of those are true and you should [TS]

00:02:16   definitely not waste your money getting [TS]

00:02:19   higher octane than what your car calls [TS]

00:02:20   for although the opposite is sometimes [TS]

00:02:25   true there was a piece of follow-up that [TS]

00:02:27   I don't have in front of me in which [TS]

00:02:28   somebody had said something along the [TS]

00:02:31   lines of hey you know I don't think you [TS]

00:02:33   need to use 91-93 or whatever octane [TS]

00:02:35   that I typically put in my car and so [TS]

00:02:39   when digging through the owners manual [TS]

00:02:40   because i'm a nerd like that in a and I [TS]

00:02:42   don't have that in front of me either [TS]

00:02:44   because we are the worst prepared host [TS]

00:02:45   ever [TS]

00:02:46   or I am anyway but take another one hint [TS]

00:02:49   in the owners manual it said something [TS]

00:02:51   to the effect of hey we really really [TS]

00:02:54   really recommend premium which I believe [TS]

00:02:56   they defined as 91 octane but if you so [TS]

00:02:58   choose [TS]

00:03:00   you can make it you can you can make it [TS]

00:03:02   happen with mid-range and it's not [TS]

00:03:05   advised but you can definitely do it and [TS]

00:03:07   I I didn't even know that was an option [TS]

00:03:09   and I'm probably never going to use it [TS]

00:03:11   but it's good to know it's possible [TS]

00:03:13   well part one thing I also write about [TS]

00:03:15   apparently anyway so some some [TS]

00:03:16   foundation first most modern cars i [TS]

00:03:19   think maybe all modern cars have knock [TS]

00:03:22   sensor so so the that the basics of this [TS]

00:03:25   please email Casey with the details on [TS]

00:03:26   what I'm getting wrong the basics of [TS]

00:03:28   this is that you know the compression [TS]

00:03:31   stroke of the piston Isaac as it [TS]

00:03:33   compresses the fuel/air mixture upwards [TS]

00:03:35   into a really small high-pressure blob [TS]

00:03:38   so it can detonate it and and get like a [TS]

00:03:41   nice big power stroke on the way down [TS]

00:03:42   from the explosion if you use to love an [TS]

00:03:45   octane then the fuel/air mixture might [TS]

00:03:49   spontaneously combust just from the [TS]

00:03:50   pressure earlier that when the piston is [TS]

00:03:53   all the way up which pushes the piston [TS]

00:03:55   it for it [TS]

00:03:57   the explosion then forces at downwards [TS]

00:03:59   when the Pistons trying to push upwards [TS]

00:04:01   like right at the peak of its power so [TS]

00:04:03   it's really a huge counterforce to what [TS]

00:04:06   the engines trying to do and it makes a [TS]

00:04:08   knocking sound which is why it's called [TS]

00:04:11   a knock and so if this happens a lot [TS]

00:04:14   it's putting a lot of forces and [TS]

00:04:16   pressures on the engine in a way in in [TS]

00:04:19   like the opposite ways it's meant to [TS]

00:04:21   take them so it's really it can be very [TS]

00:04:23   bad for the engine and can really wear [TS]

00:04:25   down the engine very [TS]

00:04:26   quickly and caused lots of severe [TS]

00:04:27   expensive problems so to avoid this what [TS]

00:04:31   a lot of modern engines do is they have [TS]

00:04:32   a knock sensor which if one of those [TS]

00:04:34   premature combustion happens from using [TS]

00:04:37   too low octane fuel it adjusts the [TS]

00:04:41   engine timing or whatever variables it [TS]

00:04:44   adjusts so that it doesn't compress it [TS]

00:04:46   as much so that kind of adapts to lower [TS]

00:04:48   octane fuel to even within some rings of [TS]

00:04:52   you know what it can you know how low it [TS]

00:04:54   can compress the fuel then the problem [TS]

00:04:57   there though is that you then then you [TS]

00:04:59   do reduce your performance and your [TS]

00:05:01   economy when that's happening so modern [TS]

00:05:04   cars if you put too low octane fuel in [TS]

00:05:06   them will usually be okay well usually [TS]

00:05:09   avoid most knocking because they'll send [TS]

00:05:11   the first few and then adjust themselves [TS]

00:05:12   but you're not really doing yourself [TS]

00:05:14   your car any favors by doing that on a [TS]

00:05:16   regular basis now it's a take issue with [TS]

00:05:22   something you said I think ninety-nine [TS]

00:05:24   percent of that was completely accurate [TS]

00:05:25   but and I don't know John if you know [TS]

00:05:27   the answer one way or another but my [TS]

00:05:28   understanding for the for many many [TS]

00:05:30   years is that the powerstroke a [TS]

00:05:32   four-stroke is indeed an explosion and I [TS]

00:05:35   remember who was it that said it to me [TS]

00:05:36   but if I right holding like exploding it [TS]

00:05:39   and igniting it and write it is not in [TS]

00:05:41   the ocean it's actually just ignition or [TS]

00:05:44   eight it's in igniting that air fuel mix [TS]

00:05:47   and the explosion thing is a misnomer [TS]

00:05:49   that i believe for most of my life John [TS]

00:05:52   you happen to know one with I was going [TS]

00:05:53   to make a comment when the Marco said [TS]

00:05:56   detonation I said but we're going to [TS]

00:05:57   email about that but you beat you be at [TS]

00:05:59   the Atlantic emailers to it right let's [TS]

00:06:01   go find a real can follow we had a NOC [TS]

00:06:04   is an explosion right like that with the [TS]

00:06:06   premature detonate i believe i believe [TS]

00:06:08   that went like the NOC happening i [TS]

00:06:10   believe that is an explosion and then [TS]

00:06:12   but normally when the fuel gets lit [TS]

00:06:14   normally that's that's an ignition is [TS]

00:06:16   that right i think so it's not how [TS]

00:06:18   Dieselworks is just hyper compresses to [TS]

00:06:20   the point is it eventually itself [TS]

00:06:22   ignites the diesels don't have spark [TS]

00:06:24   plugs they don't they don't like it they [TS]

00:06:25   described as it which is really quite [TS]

00:06:29   elegant it really makes a lot of sense [TS]

00:06:31   why that would be a good idea to try [TS]

00:06:32   that man where this this is exactly the [TS]

00:06:35   kind of discussion that makes those like [TS]

00:06:37   handful of angry people on Twitter [TS]

00:06:38   saying like [TS]

00:06:39   these guys don't know what they're [TS]

00:06:40   talking about and they're right [TS]

00:06:43   like most of our most of our fans well I [TS]

00:06:45   guess by definition by being fans most [TS]

00:06:47   of our fans seem fairly happy with us or [TS]

00:06:50   at least in different but there's like a [TS]

00:06:51   handful of people who are so angry that [TS]

00:06:54   we don't know everything that we talked [TS]

00:06:55   about and even even if we say you know [TS]

00:06:57   i'm not sure if this is how it works [TS]

00:06:58   when we kind of ruminate audibly during [TS]

00:07:00   the podcast they will still get angry at [TS]

00:07:02   that just because we we haven't prepared [TS]

00:07:05   every single thing we're going to say in [TS]

00:07:06   advance and then hell maybe John has I [TS]

00:07:09   don't know the comedy that is right at [TS]

00:07:11   the top of neutrals website and from the [TS]

00:07:14   very beginning it's always been and i [TS]

00:07:16   quote a casual carpod cast with the [TS]

00:07:19   emphasis on casual and man do we get [TS]

00:07:22   some worked up people emailing us it's [TS]

00:07:23   funny [TS]

00:07:24   oh yeah and and from the beginning like [TS]

00:07:26   like when i wrote that little [TS]

00:07:27   description of their I i put the word [TS]

00:07:29   casual everywhere I put it there i put [TS]

00:07:32   in the itunes description i even put it [TS]

00:07:34   like when I link to the episodes from my [TS]

00:07:35   sight i say this is the latest episode [TS]

00:07:37   of our casual carpod cast look I say [TS]

00:07:41   everywhere just to appropriately set [TS]

00:07:43   expectations that like we are not [TS]

00:07:45   researching everything we say before and [TS]

00:07:48   we agree we research some of it but we [TS]

00:07:50   don't know everything we're going to say [TS]

00:07:51   beforehand so you know this is part of [TS]

00:07:53   this is mostly off-the-cuff you know [TS]

00:07:56   like I just have like an outline of what [TS]

00:07:58   I'm going to say with a few . might have [TS]

00:07:59   researched but not like you know every [TS]

00:08:01   statement and I've I see you guys are [TS]

00:08:03   similar except John but you know I even [TS]

00:08:08   then they're like it no matter how you [TS]

00:08:09   set the expectation there's going to be [TS]

00:08:10   people who who just gets so comically [TS]

00:08:13   angry i mean i think we make it fairly [TS]

00:08:16   clear that we're not taking ourselves [TS]

00:08:18   too incredibly seriously here and yet we [TS]

00:08:22   still get people who who just assume it [TS]

00:08:26   is and the funny thing is it isn't that [TS]

00:08:28   many people if it was a whole ton of [TS]

00:08:29   people who just be depressing [TS]

00:08:30   it's like for people it's very true but [TS]

00:08:34   man are they angry about it is picking [TS]

00:08:36   so a little bit of real-time follow up [TS]

00:08:38   while you were talking I was able to [TS]

00:08:40   find the the section in the owners [TS]

00:08:43   manual you are into know i was listening [TS]

00:08:45   and you're absolutely right i was [TS]

00:08:46   listening in to green and nodding [TS]

00:08:47   because everyone can see me nodding [TS]

00:08:49   super premium gasoline / aki [TS]

00:08:52   91 this gasoline is highly recommended [TS]

00:08:54   however you may use gasoline with less [TS]

00:08:56   aki the middle making minimum aki rating [TS]

00:08:59   is for the 323 2887 for the three 3589 [TS]

00:09:04   if you use gasoline with this minimum [TS]

00:09:06   aki rating the engine may produce [TS]

00:09:07   knocking sounds when starting at a high [TS]

00:09:09   outside temperatures but here's the [TS]

00:09:11   interesting part and i quote this has no [TS]

00:09:14   effect on the engine life [TS]

00:09:16   presumably that's because the knock [TS]

00:09:19   sensor takes over and write and write [TS]

00:09:20   you know reduces everything so yeah I I [TS]

00:09:25   don't know it is so like you know I i [TS]

00:09:28   think what that's saying is you can get [TS]

00:09:30   away with it but you know the the [TS]

00:09:33   implication with the first part of it [TS]

00:09:35   you know we strongly recommend that like [TS]

00:09:36   yes you can get away with that however [TS]

00:09:39   if you care at all about your car's [TS]

00:09:40   economy or performance you can really [TS]

00:09:42   give it the kind of gas that's tuned for [TS]

00:09:44   right and in to make things worse the [TS]

00:09:46   next section which i'm not going to read [TS]

00:09:47   because it's relatively long is entitled [TS]

00:09:49   use high quality brands [TS]

00:09:52   ok I'm sorry he's high quality Bruins [TS]

00:09:54   thank you there you go [TS]

00:09:56   which apparently is a lecture about how [TS]

00:09:58   you can't use kroger gasps and instead [TS]

00:10:00   you have to use like shell and exxon and [TS]

00:10:01   stuff like that but you know I i would [TS]

00:10:03   actually that that's a topic we should [TS]

00:10:04   research for a future episode because [TS]

00:10:06   i've heard mixed things about that i've [TS]

00:10:08   heard from effort sometimes that the [TS]

00:10:11   quality of gas you get really matters I [TS]

00:10:13   for other times that that most chaste [TS]

00:10:16   that you've got is also pretty much the [TS]

00:10:18   same or or you know they're all buying [TS]

00:10:20   it from the same sections of the [TS]

00:10:23   pipelines and everything like there's [TS]

00:10:25   some there's probably some middle ground [TS]

00:10:26   it's actually truth so we should [TS]

00:10:28   research that so let's put on that magic [TS]

00:10:30   list that we have to start keeping us at [TS]

00:10:33   the grocery store haven't been to Ohio [TS]

00:10:36   man I driving through it [TS]

00:10:39   ok yeah side roads gas tanks in Ohio I [TS]

00:10:41   mean you can get everywhere in Ojai make [TS]

00:10:43   any sense of krogers the best and [TS]

00:10:45   actually if I'm completely honest and [TS]

00:10:47   this is so i'm gonna get so much email [TS]

00:10:48   for this but so I by this a relatively [TS]

00:10:51   expensive car if not absurdly expensive [TS]

00:10:53   car and then I specifically choose shell [TS]

00:10:57   to fuel it in and a specific shell at [TS]

00:11:00   that because they honor my kroger plus [TS]

00:11:03   points and [TS]

00:11:04   after i spend like a hundred bucks at [TS]

00:11:05   kroger i get 10 saw ten cents a gallon [TS]

00:11:07   off on gas so it's it's completely [TS]

00:11:13   ridiculous but that's where i go because [TS]

00:11:15   shale gas is good and I get a discount [TS]

00:11:18   I just go to get my town has has a two [TS]

00:11:21   full-service gas stations that are just [TS]

00:11:23   like like the small mom-and-pop you I [TS]

00:11:25   work [TS]

00:11:26   yeah full services is common in [TS]

00:11:28   something like the smaller towns and [TS]

00:11:29   suburbs here so it's it's like you know [TS]

00:11:31   like to gas pumps and a garage but [TS]

00:11:34   that's the kind of gas station and the [TS]

00:11:36   dealer is a full-service you mean that [TS]

00:11:37   they they have mechanics you mean they [TS]

00:11:39   actually pump the fuel for you because [TS]

00:11:41   you're in [TS]

00:11:42   also it's like you're in jersey in your [TS]

00:11:43   own apt will know it's like you don't [TS]

00:11:45   want to get your hands not like gasps [TS]

00:11:46   hand you don't have full service gas [TS]

00:11:49   stations near you i don't know i don't i [TS]

00:11:52   can't think of any except when I when we [TS]

00:11:54   drive up to see mom and dad and we [TS]

00:11:55   stopped the Jersey Turnpike in the snow [TS]

00:11:57   crazy thing is ridiculous but you know [TS]

00:11:58   it's something that they have in New [TS]

00:12:00   York and they have them here and you [TS]

00:12:02   know it's not like your jersey that [TS]

00:12:03   there's mostly self but there's at least [TS]

00:12:04   one side that's full and it's great to [TS]

00:12:07   sit in my car listening hours during or [TS]

00:12:09   one of you guys talking and formerly [TS]

00:12:11   yelling at me usually about how much [TS]

00:12:13   needs our podcast and and somebody else [TS]

00:12:16   is out there getting their hands on like [TS]

00:12:18   the gas pump [TS]

00:12:19   I never go to full source willingly ever [TS]

00:12:23   yeah I can't imagine why I would not try [TS]

00:12:26   it out guys you'll see first I gotta [TS]

00:12:28   find one man that don't even know to [TS]

00:12:31   make it this you've turned my world [TS]

00:12:33   upside down marker one thing i'm going [TS]

00:12:35   back to octane for a second i was [TS]

00:12:37   wondering and i'm curious to know if you [TS]

00:12:39   guys have any examples this or if I look [TS]

00:12:41   if our listeners do so you know as we [TS]

00:12:44   were saying there is no reason to buy [TS]

00:12:47   higher octane fuel than what your car [TS]

00:12:49   recommends because it's not going to [TS]

00:12:52   make any better use of it is not going [TS]

00:12:54   to increase its compression and get more [TS]

00:12:56   power and more fuel economy you know [TS]

00:12:59   it's it is tuned for the first specific [TS]

00:13:01   thing and it will only do that or lower [TS]

00:13:02   generally but I've never seen a car that [TS]

00:13:07   required 89 I've only ever seen cars [TS]

00:13:10   require 91 or 87 in the US and i'm [TS]

00:13:13   curious is there a purpose for 89 other [TS]

00:13:17   than [TS]

00:13:17   to just get more money out of people [TS]

00:13:19   like people whose cars require 87 but [TS]

00:13:23   using you know price anchoring and I'm [TS]

00:13:24   like well you can get the crappy gasps a [TS]

00:13:27   cheapo gas or you can get the plus or [TS]

00:13:30   you can get the premium as well I don't [TS]

00:13:31   need the premium it's too expensive i'll [TS]

00:13:33   get the plus and feel a little bit [TS]

00:13:34   better about myself like is there [TS]

00:13:36   obviously that's the cynical view of 189 [TS]

00:13:38   existing so widely available in the u.s. [TS]

00:13:40   is there any other reason we do any cars [TS]

00:13:43   say we need 89 or greater [TS]

00:13:46   maybe there was once i mean i don't see [TS]

00:13:48   any night around where i am i just have [TS]

00:13:49   87 91-93 and I haven't seen 89 and [TS]

00:13:53   forever so maybe at one point there were [TS]

00:13:55   cars like that but not anymore [TS]

00:13:57   what I feel like they're with their have [TS]

00:14:00   been cars like that i can't figure out [TS]

00:14:02   for top my head which they were but I [TS]

00:14:05   mean I guess you could also use 89 like [TS]

00:14:07   i was reading a moment ago if you're too [TS]

00:14:09   cheap for 91 but you're too cheap to put [TS]

00:14:11   91 your BMW so I guess there's that i [TS]

00:14:16   don't know but i would imagine that at [TS]

00:14:18   some point or another some car has [TS]

00:14:21   required but darned if I know what and [TS]

00:14:23   you can email Marco the life God we got [TS]

00:14:27   a great question a few weeks ago that i [TS]

00:14:28   wanna i want to discuss its from Paul [TS]

00:14:30   Springer's and and he said what are to [TS]

00:14:34   each of you personally the most [TS]

00:14:35   important car equipment options and the [TS]

00:14:38   least important or most ridiculous [TS]

00:14:39   options that's really just think that [TS]

00:14:41   was the number one thing on my while the [TS]

00:14:43   number two thing on my list in the [TS]

00:14:45   number one to follow that I also wanted [TS]

00:14:46   to a feedback that i also want to cover [TS]

00:14:48   that is a great question [TS]

00:14:49   it is weird because there's especially [TS]

00:14:51   now that there are so many options [TS]

00:14:52   especially when she was like you know [TS]

00:14:54   crazy German luxury cars but even even [TS]

00:14:56   in like you know mainstream cars there [TS]

00:14:58   are just so many add-ons and options [TS]

00:15:00   that you can get now and so many of them [TS]

00:15:03   are awesome and so many of them are [TS]

00:15:05   total ripoff it should let me go first [TS]

00:15:07   yeah Marco wants every option in the [TS]

00:15:09   universal I'm gonna last because he's [TS]

00:15:11   gonna say the one I don't get is the [TS]

00:15:13   quadruple metallic paint but everything [TS]

00:15:15   else is good that's actually pretty much [TS]

00:15:17   yes oh go on [TS]

00:15:18   oh yeah I thought maybe not the easy [TS]

00:15:22   number one option that you should never [TS]

00:15:23   ever get in a car if you could possibly [TS]

00:15:25   help it is the stupid in-car navigation [TS]

00:15:27   system because they're all super duper [TS]

00:15:30   terror [TS]

00:15:30   bolt and the one that's on your [TS]

00:15:32   two-hundred-dollar phone with contract [TS]

00:15:34   will be better even even a dedicated gps [TS]

00:15:38   things that are being driven out of the [TS]

00:15:39   market by smartphones even those are [TS]

00:15:40   better the gps is in cars are just awful [TS]

00:15:43   the only time they had a brief moment in [TS]

00:15:45   the Sun when that was one of the few [TS]

00:15:47   places you could get a GPS and [TS]

00:15:48   standalone marketing head come up and [TS]

00:15:50   source with no smartphones maybe then [TS]

00:15:52   you and it's one hour days like they [TS]

00:15:53   charge like $2,000 extra for you to get [TS]

00:15:56   a terrible GPS in your car [TS]

00:15:58   unfortunately you can't opt out of that [TS]

00:15:59   on a lot of the higher-end models but it [TS]

00:16:02   is one place that I would like to you [TS]

00:16:03   know please give me that money back i [TS]

00:16:05   would say do not spend two thousand [TS]

00:16:07   dollars for in-car navigation because [TS]

00:16:09   that is a ripoff and you will get a [TS]

00:16:11   terrible product and all you end up [TS]

00:16:13   doing is duct taping your iphone right [TS]

00:16:16   on top of these the in-car navigation AI [TS]

00:16:19   couldn't disagree more [TS]

00:16:21   alright you'll have your turn your turn [TS]

00:16:23   will do item by item or person by person [TS]

00:16:25   i'm just gonna be good but obviously i [TS]

00:16:29   don't have that many items always go [TS]

00:16:30   through the people that you made [TS]

00:16:32   everything right no option [TS]

00:16:34   brakes are optional steering is optional [TS]

00:16:36   yeah I don't need a right right here [TS]

00:16:38   he'll get the app this isn't even an [TS]

00:16:40   option anymore seat suit just in case it [TS]

00:16:43   is like get the air-conditioning [TS]

00:16:45   what is that optional on cars these days [TS]

00:16:47   I suppose it might still be somewhere [TS]

00:16:49   I'm sure there are cars somewhere that [TS]

00:16:51   is optional but i think it's probably a [TS]

00:16:52   pretty rare occurrence especially in [TS]

00:16:53   anywhere that's going to listen to [TS]

00:16:55   podcast yeah so get the air conditioning [TS]

00:16:57   because he's never options and just [TS]

00:17:00   makes heat like well . is this for free [TS]

00:17:02   let's see and then if he was optional [TS]

00:17:07   would you would you could you consider [TS]

00:17:08   not getting it no I mean I you have to [TS]

00:17:11   get other thing it's not it's not [TS]

00:17:12   costing new habit you as you have you [TS]

00:17:14   not optional anywhere [TS]

00:17:16   I don't think of anything else that have [TS]

00:17:18   really strong feelings that i would say [TS]

00:17:20   don't get a satellite radio 2 for the [TS]

00:17:22   SIP same reason that like you know my [TS]

00:17:24   radio is no good don't like don't give [TS]

00:17:26   the money for electronics because they [TS]

00:17:28   charge way too much for it you can get [TS]

00:17:30   better solutions either aftermarket or [TS]

00:17:33   non-automotive you know so [TS]

00:17:34   non-automotive is using your iphone for [TS]

00:17:36   navigation and aftermarket is like [TS]

00:17:38   buying aftermarket stereo instead of [TS]

00:17:39   paying more for the the system that had [TS]

00:17:41   built in [TS]

00:17:42   everything else I say you could take or [TS]

00:17:45   leave on maybe don't get the sunroof [TS]

00:17:46   because of headroom like if you like [TS]

00:17:48   leather seats get all the seats if you [TS]

00:17:50   don't like leather seats don't get let's [TS]

00:17:51   get that kind of noise when you can't [TS]

00:17:52   avoid leather seats you know we all like [TS]

00:17:54   options we don't want to be forced into [TS]

00:17:56   anything but it's like cable television [TS]

00:17:58   they patched things up so if you [TS]

00:17:59   well you want leather seats then you [TS]

00:18:00   have together thing with navigation and [TS]

00:18:02   that's only available in the v6 and blah [TS]

00:18:03   blah you know you know the whole deal [TS]

00:18:04   but other than that I said there's no [TS]

00:18:07   there's no options that i would say you [TS]

00:18:10   must have even things like you know [TS]

00:18:11   cruise control and stuff like that like [TS]

00:18:13   I suppose if you do lots of long trips [TS]

00:18:15   get it but if you never go on the [TS]

00:18:17   highway crews controls meaningless for [TS]

00:18:18   you you know so every single item I [TS]

00:18:20   think you just take it on its merits [TS]

00:18:22   inside what you want or not inevitably [TS]

00:18:24   no matter what you what you pick you [TS]

00:18:27   will be forced into a package that has [TS]

00:18:28   more stuff than you want but navigation [TS]

00:18:30   is by far my least favorite may I go [TS]

00:18:33   absolutely no I feel like I'm gonna be [TS]

00:18:35   the middle of the road here John is [TS]

00:18:37   completely wrong about navigation and [TS]

00:18:39   let me tell you why you're actually [TS]

00:18:41   right all kidding aside about the [TS]

00:18:42   navigation piece of navigation but [TS]

00:18:43   you're wrong about what oftentimes comes [TS]

00:18:45   with navigation when I got the BMW I was [TS]

00:18:49   not seeking a car with navigation and it [TS]

00:18:50   just so happened that the 1i found had [TS]

00:18:52   navigation and as well as the other more [TS]

00:18:54   important options that will talk about [TS]

00:18:56   here in second [TS]

00:18:57   that being said the thing that I really [TS]

00:19:00   love about the navigation is the [TS]

00:19:02   entertainment or infotainment crap that [TS]

00:19:04   comes with it and by that i mean the car [TS]

00:19:07   has like a 10 or 15 gig hard drive [TS]

00:19:08   sitting I think in the passenger [TS]

00:19:10   footwell that lets me load mp3's onto it [TS]

00:19:14   and so now it rather than shuffling [TS]

00:19:16   through a bunch of cds which by the way [TS]

00:19:18   the car doesn't have a CD changer which [TS]

00:19:20   would bother me if I didn't have the [TS]

00:19:22   infotainment stuff but anyway we hang [TS]

00:19:23   out again [TS]

00:19:24   I know this is your turn but i have to [TS]

00:19:26   enter as one that's what you still use [TS]

00:19:28   cds in the car [TS]

00:19:30   well I don't understand that their CD [TS]

00:19:31   changer even I hope you're not using [TS]

00:19:33   those as well and some pretty sure that [TS]

00:19:35   my it might my 328 system i think has [TS]

00:19:37   like one of those in-dash multi-disc [TS]

00:19:39   things but I don't even know whether it [TS]

00:19:42   does i just has a slot that I've never [TS]

00:19:43   put a CD into so that's a very fair [TS]

00:19:46   question the reason I use cds up until [TS]

00:19:48   just a few months ago was because the [TS]

00:19:49   subaru was just barely old enough not to [TS]

00:19:53   have an auxiliary input of any kind [TS]

00:19:55   FM transmitters sock sale would have a [TS]

00:19:58   setback [TS]

00:19:59   no no errands car has has cassette deck [TS]

00:20:01   and the comedy that is when we got the [TS]

00:20:03   car we like maybe he'll need a cassette [TS]

00:20:05   deck then fast-forward two or three [TS]

00:20:06   years whenever one really had ipods and [TS]

00:20:09   iphones and things of that nature and [TS]

00:20:10   suddenly the cassette deck is the best [TS]

00:20:12   feature in the interview and cause if [TS]

00:20:13   you're gonna try to get audio from an [TS]

00:20:15   ipod or phone into a car that doesn't [TS]

00:20:17   have an oxygen Jack the cassette deck is [TS]

00:20:19   way better than a transmitter now it is [TS]

00:20:21   by far the better option [TS]

00:20:23   your father will be disappointed in you [TS]

00:20:24   case it was like on my to Accords I got [TS]

00:20:27   one 2004 I think you got totaled about [TS]

00:20:29   2007 neither one of those hawks in [TS]

00:20:31   because it was like it was like the [TS]

00:20:33   generation before they all got oxygen [TS]

00:20:35   but after they all have all the tape [TS]

00:20:36   decks were gone [TS]

00:20:37   I'm boring those cars I bought [TS]

00:20:39   aftermarket kits to get an aux-in and [TS]

00:20:42   disassemble the whole dashboard and pull [TS]

00:20:44   out the radio and you know put in myself [TS]

00:20:47   because there was no way I was going to [TS]

00:20:48   use an FM transmitter and it has an [TS]

00:20:50   in-dash CD changer but i'm gonna use [TS]

00:20:51   that either so I I just probably a way [TS]

00:20:54   for you to get an auction just going to [TS]

00:20:56   go aftermarket I maximum is even do that [TS]

00:20:58   myself and I i looked up online people [TS]

00:21:00   have posted a picture of the bottom of [TS]

00:21:02   its of the circuit board of this crazy [TS]

00:21:04   stereo had and if you like soccer on a [TS]

00:21:06   couple of terminals to this one spot [TS]

00:21:08   then you could have an oxygen so I I [TS]

00:21:10   literally took my dash apart and drilled [TS]

00:21:13   two holes and put RCA jacks my tags left [TS]

00:21:17   right and and had an oxygen from my from [TS]

00:21:21   I'm crazy maxima I mean and it was [TS]

00:21:23   totally worth it even had a cassette [TS]

00:21:24   deck [TS]

00:21:25   I just wanted that direct line yeah and [TS]

00:21:27   and John actually looked into doing on [TS]

00:21:29   the subaru and I to be fair I did not [TS]

00:21:31   look into it deeply because the subaru [TS]

00:21:33   was new enough that this was starting to [TS]

00:21:36   be the time when hvac controls and radio [TS]

00:21:39   were all one big gigantic unit rather [TS]

00:21:41   than having like a dinner double din [TS]

00:21:43   radio that rise rip hours know like [TS]

00:21:45   dedicated radio they exactly exactly and [TS]

00:21:48   i believe the way in which people got an [TS]

00:21:51   aux-in into that radio was ridiculous [TS]

00:21:54   and it was I think the road on the [TS]

00:21:56   antenna line so it was it was kinda like [TS]

00:21:59   em transmission accept that you are [TS]

00:22:00   directly connected to the line the [TS]

00:22:02   antenna ran off of or something like [TS]

00:22:03   that it was and it was impossible to do [TS]

00:22:06   and to rip out the entire dash diet [TS]

00:22:08   wanted nothing to do with it so to come [TS]

00:22:10   back to the to the options thing so I i [TS]

00:22:13   agree that nav actually is kind of [TS]

00:22:14   useless although it is nice to have it [TS]

00:22:16   in the car [TS]

00:22:17   it's certainly not as nice as having a [TS]

00:22:19   phone that can do it or even a dedicated [TS]

00:22:21   yell at me and go ahead finish but the [TS]

00:22:24   infotainment stuff like being able to [TS]

00:22:26   put music into the car bluetooth audio [TS]

00:22:29   streaming is the coolest freakin thing [TS]

00:22:31   in the world I adore it and and what's [TS]

00:22:34   really nice about bluetooth is you don't [TS]

00:22:36   have to take your phone out of your [TS]

00:22:37   pocket and that's really really cool as [TS]

00:22:39   well especially as combined with comfort [TS]

00:22:43   access which is BMWs proximity key thing [TS]

00:22:45   another thing that I didn't expect to [TS]

00:22:47   get on the BMW but i did and i freaking [TS]

00:22:50   love it and then it occurred to me [TS]

00:22:51   recently in talking with a co-worker who [TS]

00:22:55   ms lady that it's even cooler if you're [TS]

00:22:57   if you're if you're a woman because [TS]

00:22:59   presumably unlike men you don't have [TS]

00:23:01   your keys in your pocket your they're [TS]

00:23:02   buried somewhere in the bottom of your [TS]

00:23:04   purse and so you never have to fiddle [TS]

00:23:06   with your keys in order to get into her [TS]

00:23:08   out of the car start the car or anything [TS]

00:23:09   like that and so that that's something [TS]

00:23:11   that now that I haven't been ruined for [TS]

00:23:12   life wait why don't want to have kids in [TS]

00:23:14   their pockets because they're in their [TS]

00:23:15   purses why because that's where persons [TS]

00:23:18   are for John you really am I had a [TS]

00:23:20   person I could be in there no question I [TS]

00:23:21   hate hotels in assets [TS]

00:23:23   plus it's worth pointing out a lot of a [TS]

00:23:25   lot of common with women's clothing [TS]

00:23:27   types don't have pockets but man we [TS]

00:23:31   should really stop talking about this [TS]

00:23:32   before this is because we're going to [TS]

00:23:33   our also entitled clothes don't have [TS]

00:23:35   pockets i will dresses for one some a [TS]

00:23:38   lot of pants like business pants [TS]

00:23:40   sometimes like they won't have pockets [TS]

00:23:41   I'm hands with no pockets a world gone [TS]

00:23:44   mad or they're so tight fitting that you [TS]

00:23:47   it would be in your pants would be [TS]

00:23:50   boldness yeah we gotta stop that is so [TS]

00:23:52   and i'm going to work so or I i happen [TS]

00:23:55   to be i happen to be a leather person i [TS]

00:23:57   understand that some are not happen to [TS]

00:23:59   be a sunroof person I understand some or [TS]

00:24:00   not I very much like being married and I [TS]

00:24:03   very much be like being married to Aaron [TS]

00:24:05   and we don't tend to have the same body [TS]

00:24:08   temperatures so dual-zone climate [TS]

00:24:09   control is the best thing ever [TS]

00:24:12   heated seats even though I live in [TS]

00:24:14   Virginia happen to be one of my favorite [TS]

00:24:16   things in the world and so I happen to [TS]

00:24:18   think that's a must have [TS]

00:24:19   one thing i did miss on the subaru and i [TS]

00:24:22   am very glad to have them BMWs fold down [TS]

00:24:24   rear seats so the rare occasions that [TS]

00:24:26   you know the answer port something [TS]

00:24:28   that's bigger than 45 feet long [TS]

00:24:31   then I spent that first option is like [TS]

00:24:33   if you can't have it because it's like a [TS]

00:24:35   hybrid that's where the batteries are [TS]

00:24:36   like you can't get it as an option [TS]

00:24:38   I've never seen a car where you can get [TS]

00:24:40   it but it's an option actually like BMW [TS]

00:24:42   usually especially i think that i think [TS]

00:24:43   in the hole 3 series is an option [TS]

00:24:45   yeah supposedly just to get a couple [TS]

00:24:47   more you know a couple hundred why would [TS]

00:24:49   they not give that it's just it doesn't [TS]

00:24:50   make any sense that they would it's [TS]

00:24:52   really would cost more to make two [TS]

00:24:54   versions of the backseat [TS]

00:24:55   I think of you when you go to a lot and [TS]

00:24:57   look at what they have like I've never [TS]

00:24:58   seen one in stock anywhere that didn't [TS]

00:25:00   have it but it is technically an option [TS]

00:25:02   that's the trick to pull toyota is is [TS]

00:25:05   the master of ripping people off with [TS]

00:25:07   that kind of trick we're like they'll [TS]

00:25:08   advertise a minimum price for the car [TS]

00:25:10   and then you go to the dealers and you [TS]

00:25:12   can find you can't find any of them that [TS]

00:25:14   have that price they all have all these [TS]

00:25:15   option packages on them which they don't [TS]

00:25:17   publish the prices for as far as i know [TS]

00:25:19   and they didn't last time i looked at [TS]

00:25:21   toyota's and so like all your research [TS]

00:25:24   is ruined because you were researching [TS]

00:25:25   the base price and nothing there has the [TS]

00:25:28   base configuration it's like formats I [TS]

00:25:30   mean that was used to be the old one on [TS]

00:25:31   the cheap cars that like that nothing [TS]

00:25:33   comes with formats like it anyways I got [TS]

00:25:35   a gentleman's agreement amongst all you [TS]

00:25:37   know a low price car vendors no no one's [TS]

00:25:40   going to include the format's that floor [TS]

00:25:41   mats are always extra and they're always [TS]

00:25:43   like 200 don't get the most expensive [TS]

00:25:44   squares of carpet you've ever seen in [TS]

00:25:46   your entire life i had to buy formats [TS]

00:25:48   from ebay for the 1m like when I got it [TS]

00:25:51   and I just assume that like the guy who [TS]

00:25:53   wanted before me was just you know he [TS]

00:25:55   just lost them are or something you know [TS]

00:25:57   before he gave the card of this dealer [TS]

00:26:00   I've never seen like a car this decade [TS]

00:26:02   or the last decade for that matter that [TS]

00:26:04   didn't come formats and then everyone [TS]

00:26:06   just buys them that's what like they [TS]

00:26:07   don't know none of them came with them [TS]

00:26:09   but you would buy them in i bought them [TS]

00:26:10   and for my cars because what am I going [TS]

00:26:12   to a carbonyl formats right able you [TS]

00:26:14   know it looked at you know if it has [TS]

00:26:15   like those big like velcro dismounts [TS]

00:26:17   like it has all amounts of the formats [TS]

00:26:19   to stick on so it looks terrible without [TS]

00:26:21   them even if you could somehow justify [TS]

00:26:22   the the dirt issues it's like it's just [TS]

00:26:26   it seems so weird that you would sell a [TS]

00:26:28   car without formats and that you would [TS]

00:26:30   buy a car without formats so yeah I had [TS]

00:26:32   to let go spend [TS]

00:26:33   hundred bucks on ebay to get formats for [TS]

00:26:35   this crazy sports car that somehow [TS]

00:26:37   didn't come with them [TS]

00:26:38   yeah that is pretty violently so I'm [TS]

00:26:41   almost done with my list here so heated [TS]

00:26:44   seats fold down rear seats at the there [TS]

00:26:47   are two options that I well one of them [TS]

00:26:50   is actually becoming required that's [TS]

00:26:51   dynamic Stability control and everyone [TS]

00:26:53   has a different name for it but that [TS]

00:26:55   breaks the laws of physics it's insane [TS]

00:26:58   actually I think the owners manual it [TS]

00:26:59   literally says it can't break the laws [TS]

00:27:01   of physics but it is far as I'm [TS]

00:27:03   concerned it will make your car not do [TS]

00:27:05   things that shouldn't do no matter how [TS]

00:27:07   stupid and and ham fisted you are and so [TS]

00:27:09   if it was an option I would definitely [TS]

00:27:11   ticket and then John earlier I believe [TS]

00:27:14   you met made mention of you know you [TS]

00:27:16   would say don't don't do anything [TS]

00:27:17   electronic but the Harman Kardon sound [TS]

00:27:19   in my car is one of the best stories [TS]

00:27:21   I've ever heard [TS]

00:27:22   now maybe i'm just telling myself to [TS]

00:27:24   believe that but it really is i'm sure [TS]

00:27:26   it sounds better than the stock radio [TS]

00:27:27   but the question is does it sound better [TS]

00:27:29   than the equivalent radio you could've [TS]

00:27:30   bought with that same money because they [TS]

00:27:32   always over charge you for the fancy [TS]

00:27:34   radio like goin for actually twelve [TS]

00:27:35   hundred dollars you know what kind of [TS]

00:27:36   aftermarket stereo you can get for [TS]

00:27:38   twelve hundred dollars you get a pretty [TS]

00:27:39   darn good one [TS]

00:27:40   yeah but it would be would not look [TS]

00:27:41   right as steeply only that's i getcha [TS]

00:27:44   well exactly and also one thing i will [TS]

00:27:48   say about the nav in in favor of having [TS]

00:27:50   nav and I can't speak for other [TS]

00:27:51   manufacturers but one of the very cool [TS]

00:27:54   things about the BMW's nav is that when [TS]

00:27:56   you have BMW Assist which is there [TS]

00:27:59   onstar knockoff you can actually get on [TS]

00:28:03   google maps find an address and have [TS]

00:28:05   google maps send it to your car so that [TS]

00:28:08   the moment you get in the car you you [TS]

00:28:11   look at whatever messages have come in [TS]

00:28:13   since the last time you got in your car [TS]

00:28:14   and it's sitting right in the address is [TS]

00:28:17   sitting right there ready to go ready to [TS]

00:28:18   be enter ready already entered ready to [TS]

00:28:20   be used in granted you know if you're [TS]

00:28:22   doing this on your phone then you're not [TS]

00:28:23   really gaining anything but i do think [TS]

00:28:24   that is a pretty cool use making the [TS]

00:28:27   Incarnate better than it otherwise could [TS]

00:28:30   have been the test does that all inside [TS]

00:28:31   the same car because you go to the giant [TS]

00:28:33   touchpad [TS]

00:28:34   google maps and you find your [TS]

00:28:35   destination but the giant others and has [TS]

00:28:37   no idea how did navigation so you press [TS]

00:28:39   a button and it sends it from the google [TS]

00:28:41   maps thing you to the in-car navigation [TS]

00:28:43   which is a Garmin unit this was like a [TS]

00:28:45   little miniature close-up heard there [TS]

00:28:47   are three feet away from each other but [TS]

00:28:48   it's too yeah that's like a version 1.1 [TS]

00:28:50   thing [TS]

00:28:51   yeah and actually that reminds me that [TS]

00:28:53   my dad's jeep he got a Wrangler honor [TS]

00:28:55   maybe six months or a year ago and it [TS]

00:28:57   actually has if i'm not mistaken a [TS]

00:28:58   garmin nav system its garmin software in [TS]

00:29:02   the onboard jeep nav so that I actually [TS]

00:29:04   really like a lot because it's the exact [TS]

00:29:06   same software you find a standalone [TS]

00:29:08   Garmin unit but it's part of the inn in [TS]

00:29:10   car unit then finally the only other [TS]

00:29:13   thing that I don't think I've mentioned [TS]

00:29:14   that I that I would absolutely recommend [TS]

00:29:15   is xenon headlamps if at all possible [TS]

00:29:18   the difference between xenons and [TS]

00:29:20   incandescent bulbs is stupid terrible [TS]

00:29:23   pun but night and day I mean did [TS]

00:29:25   especially in the bi-xenon the BMW when [TS]

00:29:28   I have my brights on it could it might [TS]

00:29:30   as well be freaking daytime it's [TS]

00:29:31   absolutely ridiculous that leds now [TS]

00:29:33   Casey you're so vexed or not it's true [TS]

00:29:35   you're right well just some sort of high [TS]

00:29:37   tide just wasn't our discharge wouldn't [TS]

00:29:40   know i was just reading about [TS]

00:29:40   high-intensity discharge HID yeah yeah [TS]

00:29:43   yeah i was turning about the new [TS]

00:29:44   Mercedes s-class upcoming s-class that [TS]

00:29:46   has expunged incandescent bulbs and [TS]

00:29:49   xenon bulbs and halogen everything from [TS]

00:29:52   at the entire car interior exterior turn [TS]

00:29:54   signals everything everything is led on [TS]

00:29:56   the upcoming as class when didn't i see [TS]

00:29:58   that the Volvo has come out with like [TS]

00:30:00   all high beams that are always on and [TS]

00:30:02   they'll automatically like to take away [TS]

00:30:05   the high beam everything we might have [TS]

00:30:07   been mistreating about the s-class [TS]

00:30:08   that's the same thing you know is it [TS]

00:30:10   basically it has this is a light shields [TS]

00:30:14   that adjusted depending on this oncoming [TS]

00:30:16   traffic and like right and everything is [TS]

00:30:18   dynamic the tail lights behind you [TS]

00:30:20   adjust the brightness based on the [TS]

00:30:21   proximity of the car behind you so you [TS]

00:30:23   don't blind person stuck behind you and [TS]

00:30:25   traffic ahead along things going on and [TS]

00:30:28   I think all the luxury brands for a few [TS]

00:30:29   years now . like the automatic bright [TS]

00:30:32   swear it like it'll it'll look ahead and [TS]

00:30:34   and it'll keep your brights on most time [TS]

00:30:36   then it will dim them or real this away [TS]

00:30:38   from people as they come on this is [TS]

00:30:39   different this is like a like a little [TS]

00:30:41   actuator that shaping the light output [TS]

00:30:44   so yes it would knocks out certain [TS]

00:30:46   regions of the light [TS]

00:30:48   because the light is made up of lots of [TS]

00:30:49   tiny little LEDs maybe just turns off or [TS]

00:30:51   whatever like it's it's it's making the [TS]

00:30:53   output of the light silhouette that [TS]

00:30:55   matches the area that you want to go on [TS]

00:30:57   instead of instead of taking a light [TS]

00:30:59   that just makes a bright light and [TS]

00:31:00   aiming in different directions or [TS]

00:31:02   something like that [TS]

00:31:03   ok but yeah that was my list [TS]

00:31:06   I'm done man I don't know what options [TS]

00:31:11   don't you like my they'll be easier as [TS]

00:31:13   well are well first of all I i should [TS]

00:31:16   say the point that I disagree with you [TS]

00:31:17   guys on first I really like a sunroof I [TS]

00:31:22   i know that you know Casey I think [TS]

00:31:24   you're indifferent John you don't like [TS]

00:31:25   for the 10 libraries and I agree I agree [TS]

00:31:27   it does make sense [TS]

00:31:29   like if you like John you usually have [TS]

00:31:31   headroom issues because you're tall and [TS]

00:31:32   you by short cars so so i guess it would [TS]

00:31:36   make sense i'm all cars i guess it would [TS]

00:31:38   make sense in that in that case but I [TS]

00:31:41   think as long as that's not your issue i [TS]

00:31:43   love us on earth because the air pattern [TS]

00:31:46   that you get when you just open the [TS]

00:31:48   sunroof and not any of the windows to me [TS]

00:31:51   like i love doing that when it's cold [TS]

00:31:52   outside like it you know it when it's [TS]

00:31:54   like in the forties like it's not it's [TS]

00:31:57   not warm enough to really have all the [TS]

00:31:58   windows open but you still like some [TS]

00:32:00   fresh air [TS]

00:32:01   you can open the sunroof and like you [TS]

00:32:05   know blast the heat on your feet and [TS]

00:32:06   leave the sunroof open to me like i like [TS]

00:32:07   that combination i also just really like [TS]

00:32:09   the light that comes in like out i'll [TS]

00:32:11   leave it i'll leave a little shade open [TS]

00:32:12   all the time even when this one even [TS]

00:32:14   when the glass is closed [TS]

00:32:16   just because I like the openness that [TS]

00:32:18   you get from the additional light so I i [TS]

00:32:20   love a sunroof and I really i I've [TS]

00:32:24   missed it when the rocket because the [TS]

00:32:25   rocket doesn't have that I'm and in my [TS]

00:32:27   328 it's always I always have it open [TS]

00:32:30   I could not agree more i should have [TS]

00:32:32   mentioned that in the be in the excuse [TS]

00:32:33   me the super didn't have it because it [TS]

00:32:35   was a package like both you guys are [TS]

00:32:36   talking about and if memory serves a [TS]

00:32:38   package was a sunroof and leather and [TS]

00:32:40   something else which i can't remember [TS]

00:32:42   off the top of my head but it was those [TS]

00:32:44   are things power seats sunroof leather [TS]

00:32:46   power seats was three thousand dollars [TS]

00:32:47   and I just couldn't swing it just was [TS]

00:32:50   stupid but I could not agree more i [TS]

00:32:52   absolutely love you don't worry had [TS]

00:32:54   leaks because is marcos changing up his [TS]

00:32:56   cars every three years they never get [TS]

00:32:57   but the one sunroof car [TS]

00:33:00   we had my family the summer flaked [TS]

00:33:01   really i mean we have a 94 camry that [TS]

00:33:05   had a sunroof that my mom just got rid [TS]

00:33:07   of like two years ago and it never [TS]

00:33:09   leaked yes I'm here anyways I've never [TS]

00:33:12   heard of somebody something sleek maybe [TS]

00:33:14   it maybe it's your roof appellate issue [TS]

00:33:16   that's true now this is not our car that [TS]

00:33:20   we on this is my mother's a nissan 240z [TS]

00:33:24   I mean there's an old car obviously but [TS]

00:33:26   as I understand it was lucky [TS]

00:33:30   anyway let's see i have going through [TS]

00:33:35   your list i'm a big fan of the park [TS]

00:33:39   distance beepers very everyone calls [TS]

00:33:42   these things different things going to [TS]

00:33:43   call that Park distance control PDC some [TS]

00:33:46   people call it parkassist it's it's a [TS]

00:33:47   little like I don't know if they're like [TS]

00:33:49   short-range radar or infrared or what [TS]

00:33:51   these little sensors and the bumpers [TS]

00:33:52   that sense of distance the cars are for [TS]

00:33:54   in front of behind you and beep as you [TS]

00:33:56   get closer to them I parallel park all [TS]

00:34:00   the time that should be the way the [TS]

00:34:01   place i live at us to parallel park in [TS]

00:34:03   various places and if you ever parallel [TS]

00:34:07   park having those park distance beepers [TS]

00:34:09   is awesome and and so with this car [TS]

00:34:12   we couldn't get them there what we we [TS]

00:34:14   were ordering tix car it's the lexus the [TS]

00:34:16   is which doesn't have a fold-down rear [TS]

00:34:19   seat which drives crazy and sucks and it [TS]

00:34:20   wasn't even an option and there's no [TS]

00:34:22   reason for that not to be an option on [TS]

00:34:24   that car [TS]

00:34:24   I don't know why they did that alexis is [TS]

00:34:26   weird about their fold down rear seats [TS]

00:34:27   they don't really I don't think any of [TS]

00:34:29   their sedans have them i think it's only [TS]

00:34:31   the SUV's because bizarre anyway uh so [TS]

00:34:34   tips car has a backup camera [TS]

00:34:37   we're just shows the imagine the [TS]

00:34:38   navigation screen and and both of my [TS]

00:34:41   stomach section section s both of my BMW [TS]

00:34:46   if you are year duh but anyway [TS]

00:34:51   hey they both have just the beepers and [TS]

00:34:54   and not the camera and wait is that true [TS]

00:35:00   is the rocket yet yet yet even has a [TS]

00:35:02   camera and I find the beepers to be way [TS]

00:35:05   more useful than the camera because II [TS]

00:35:07   like you can be looking backwards as [TS]

00:35:10   you're backing up you can be looking [TS]

00:35:11   backwards and still get that feeling [TS]

00:35:13   back from that system now ideally if you [TS]

00:35:15   can have both shuriken both but if you [TS]

00:35:18   have to pick one or the other like tips [TS]

00:35:20   car has just the camera [TS]

00:35:21   my car has just the beeper and we both [TS]

00:35:24   agree that the beeper is the way better [TS]

00:35:26   option [TS]

00:35:26   I question would you if available and [TS]

00:35:30   take the option box for automatic [TS]

00:35:33   parallel parking mode where you just [TS]

00:35:35   take your hands off the wheel foot off [TS]

00:35:37   everything and it does it for you [TS]

00:35:39   you know I've never I've never actually [TS]

00:35:40   seen that in person or better car that [TS]

00:35:43   has that if you're if it works [TS]

00:35:45   especially well and if we could get into [TS]

00:35:47   a really tight spot that I'm that might [TS]

00:35:49   be challenging to do on my own then [TS]

00:35:52   maybe but i'm pretty good at like [TS]

00:35:55   generally if you have to parallel park [TS]

00:35:57   on a regular basis you you get pretty [TS]

00:35:58   good at it so I don't really need that [TS]

00:36:01   and i'm not i'm not really it wouldn't [TS]

00:36:03   provide that much value to me so like if [TS]

00:36:05   i had to pay extra for just that feature [TS]

00:36:08   i wouldn't get it but if it was part of [TS]

00:36:10   some package i was getting maybe I get [TS]

00:36:12   it then you know that's a part of the [TS]

00:36:13   technology package right exactly but yet [TS]

00:36:16   the park distance beepers i love those [TS]

00:36:18   things i highly recommend if you ever [TS]

00:36:20   parallel park and if you have a car [TS]

00:36:22   without an option get it [TS]

00:36:23   it is totally worth it and one small car [TS]

00:36:26   get to that is that some cars only offer [TS]

00:36:29   it on the rear or only on the front [TS]

00:36:31   I don't know why maybe it's like a [TS]

00:36:33   bumper design limitation [TS]

00:36:35   yeah or something a lot of cars will [TS]

00:36:38   offer only on one of those two and and [TS]

00:36:41   including the 1m I don't have it on the [TS]

00:36:44   rear my car [TS]

00:36:46   really with the m sport bumper is that [TS]

00:36:48   one that's why it's because the m sport [TS]

00:36:49   bumper now to my I there's physically [TS]

00:36:52   enough room for the sensors but on the m [TS]

00:36:54   sport 33 35 time on the export 3-series [TS]

00:36:58   is they do not have a front Park [TS]

00:37:01   distance control although i believe the [TS]

00:37:02   m3 did that's what mine certainly does [TS]

00:37:05   not yet its very own anyway so it when [TS]

00:37:08   you only have it on one it's nice a [TS]

00:37:10   little bit but it really helps to have [TS]

00:37:12   it on both because that was what you [TS]

00:37:13   what you can do with this like for me I [TS]

00:37:15   always think my car is way bigger than [TS]

00:37:17   our day is like front and back so I like [TS]

00:37:19   all back into a spot and think i have [TS]

00:37:21   almost no space at all and then get out [TS]

00:37:23   and look I have way more space and I [TS]

00:37:24   thought it [TS]

00:37:25   as a result i will pass up on spots that [TS]

00:37:29   I could fit in but i don't think i could [TS]

00:37:31   fit in with the park distance control [TS]

00:37:33   you can get so close without knowing [TS]

00:37:38   you're gonna hit your car [TS]

00:37:39   I think you can get so close that you [TS]

00:37:41   can get yourself into smaller spots [TS]

00:37:42   without that paranoia of my god I'm [TS]

00:37:44   gonna hit everything constantly yeah and [TS]

00:37:47   what's interesting about the BMW's with [TS]

00:37:49   navigation is that when the when the [TS]

00:37:52   cars in Reverse I actually see the kind [TS]

00:37:55   of overhead view of my car and then kind [TS]

00:37:57   of like a graph it's very hard to [TS]

00:37:58   describe but it's it's a visual [TS]

00:38:00   representation of what it thinks is [TS]

00:38:03   behind me based on i think it is [TS]

00:38:06   short-range radar based on the radar [TS]

00:38:07   coming off the rear bumper and so i can [TS]

00:38:09   see that on the left side specifically [TS]

00:38:11   you know a third of the way into the car [TS]

00:38:14   there's some sort of obstruction that [TS]

00:38:15   are really close to yeah it's really not [TS]

00:38:17   as nice yeah it's not as nice as a [TS]

00:38:19   camera for sure but but it's certainly [TS]

00:38:21   as good as you get without having a [TS]

00:38:22   camera was really like I the can i [TS]

00:38:25   really don't get the camera thing [TS]

00:38:26   because when i'm backing up and i'm [TS]

00:38:28   turning my head behind me so I can't see [TS]

00:38:30   the screen and so let's try keep looking [TS]

00:38:32   back and forth if you want to actually [TS]

00:38:34   make use of the camera to keep looking [TS]

00:38:35   back and forth between the screen and [TS]

00:38:36   the rear windshield or you can just look [TS]

00:38:39   at the rear windshield which is what I [TS]

00:38:40   think me and most people have just [TS]

00:38:42   probably just end up doing in which case [TS]

00:38:44   the camera's not really serving you know [TS]

00:38:46   the camera so you can see kids you'll [TS]

00:38:48   see when Adam starts talking behind your [TS]

00:38:49   car you can't see him because he's below [TS]

00:38:51   your deck lid so that's what the cameras [TS]

00:38:53   right but then what do you like [TS]

00:38:54   re supposed to just look at the screen [TS]

00:38:56   the whole time you look at the camera to [TS]

00:38:58   see that it's clear of kids and then you [TS]

00:39:00   start backing up any crumbs and I mean [TS]

00:39:01   like I mean well you're not going to get [TS]

00:39:03   you back up all time just looking in the [TS]

00:39:05   camera because it's fish I you can see [TS]

00:39:06   everything from it I mean you can't [TS]

00:39:07   write back and forth to but it's [TS]

00:39:08   basically like it if you have to choose [TS]

00:39:10   one thing to look at either just the [TS]

00:39:11   camera or just out the back window [TS]

00:39:13   the theory is that you should look at [TS]

00:39:15   the camera because you will not see kids [TS]

00:39:17   low-to-high exactly especially like a [TS]

00:39:18   minivan with where the where the cutout [TS]

00:39:21   for the rear window is so much higher [TS]

00:39:22   that's gonna be hiding like you know [TS]

00:39:23   full-size kids not just toddlers right [TS]

00:39:25   yeah anything it makes more sense on [TS]

00:39:27   cars where you have very limited rear [TS]

00:39:29   visibility that you know that obviously [TS]

00:39:31   makes more sense but even even on acid [TS]

00:39:33   and I think just just to get the peace [TS]

00:39:34   of mind that it's okay to start backing [TS]

00:39:36   out [TS]

00:39:36   you know I mean yeah that'd make what [TS]

00:39:38   makes sense but anything you just look [TS]

00:39:40   at once you turn your head [TS]

00:39:41   well yeah I mean like you want for most [TS]

00:39:44   of the time it's not going to actually [TS]

00:39:45   be at all or most of the time it's going [TS]

00:39:46   to be like you know kids at a bus stop [TS]

00:39:47   or whatever and once you know it with [TS]

00:39:50   the it's ok to start moving what's a [TS]

00:39:52   moving car will you know be more [TS]

00:39:55   noticeable two children than a kid who [TS]

00:39:57   is standing right behind it does not [TS]

00:39:58   notice the car started to move you don't [TS]

00:40:00   notice until like you feel the lump of [TS]

00:40:02   the tire going over you know what I mean [TS]

00:40:03   like right once the things in motion [TS]

00:40:05   they can catch people's eyes but if if [TS]

00:40:07   it did you have to like when can I start [TS]

00:40:09   to move right and then you get you can [TS]

00:40:10   periodically lands back at it to make [TS]

00:40:12   sure it's still clear [TS]

00:40:13   you know i mean i'm also very literally [TS]

00:40:15   once you start moving if you're looking [TS]

00:40:16   at the back you'll be able to see the [TS]

00:40:18   kid running from one side of the other [TS]

00:40:20   hopefully having a variety of the side [TS]

00:40:22   you doing the back alright fair enough i [TS]

00:40:25   would also say one option i like a lot [TS]

00:40:28   and we're going to have I think a bigger [TS]

00:40:30   discussion about aftermarket vs stock [TS]

00:40:33   stuff [TS]

00:40:34   one thing i like a lot is a steering [TS]

00:40:38   wheel audio controls at oh my god yes [TS]

00:40:40   it's like I i had my first car with that [TS]

00:40:43   was the was the forgettable accord and [TS]

00:40:45   it's oh man it's even though even though [TS]

00:40:48   the accord has that giant volume knob in [TS]

00:40:50   the middle school did I'd probably still [TS]

00:40:52   doesn't every part is that doesn't [TS]

00:40:53   anymore but it's it's so nice because [TS]

00:40:56   your hands are already on the wheel be [TS]

00:40:59   able to make little volume adjustments [TS]

00:41:00   from right there changes everything [TS]

00:41:03   now John is your I know your current car [TS]

00:41:05   probably doesn't have this would you get [TS]

00:41:07   that on your new car if it was an option [TS]

00:41:08   that's not even optional anymore like [TS]

00:41:10   you know my current cars happened i have [TS]

00:41:12   the same generation of course that you [TS]

00:41:14   did and i don't think it's an option [TS]

00:41:16   like maybe was an option on my old Civic [TS]

00:41:18   but i think all the cords come with [TS]

00:41:20   standard was your current one it was an [TS]

00:41:22   exs right because he said it was like it [TS]

00:41:23   was a high trim level that you got [TS]

00:41:24   through the insurance thing it was the [TS]

00:41:26   s.e special edition [TS]

00:41:28   I don't know way but it wasn't it's not [TS]

00:41:29   the v6 but it wasn't the bottom of the [TS]

00:41:31   line once okay you know but yeah I don't [TS]

00:41:34   think I don't think you can get into [TS]

00:41:36   court without considering the bottle of [TS]

00:41:37   wine one like power windows were [TS]

00:41:39   optional [TS]

00:41:39   I don't think they do that anymore yeah [TS]

00:41:42   now like my heart my 92 $YEAR civic and [TS]

00:41:44   roll up windows nice yeah i love [TS]

00:41:47   steering wheel audio controls on 2x [TS]

00:41:50   stand on the on the heated seats thing [TS]

00:41:53   first of all heated seats are awesome [TS]

00:41:55   I i don't think i ever had them with [TS]

00:41:57   cloth I don't know anybody really offers [TS]

00:41:58   that because there's not there's a lot [TS]

00:41:59   less demand for with cloth seats super [TS]

00:42:02   they do now that's mine has seats and [TS]

00:42:05   heated seats [TS]

00:42:06   well anyway with with leather at least i [TS]

00:42:08   can tell you i heated seats are awesome [TS]

00:42:11   even even when it's not like 20 degrees [TS]

00:42:14   outside even when it's 40 degrees [TS]

00:42:16   outside [TS]

00:42:17   i still use my use heated seats whenever [TS]

00:42:20   it's too cold roll the windows down so [TS]

00:42:22   again with my son of thing [TS]

00:42:24   sunroof open sea he did see hot feet [TS]

00:42:27   awesome great combination all you need [TS]

00:42:30   to do with leather because level you'll [TS]

00:42:31   freeze your butt off literally if it [TS]

00:42:33   literally it [TS]

00:42:34   yes signore but will actually would be [TS]

00:42:36   removed from your body because it's [TS]

00:42:38   frozen because there they suck the heat [TS]

00:42:41   right out of you you know like cloth [TS]

00:42:43   seats don't do that as much so that's I [TS]

00:42:45   think that's why the heated seats are [TS]

00:42:46   rare and cloth seats because you know [TS]

00:42:48   the closet to make kind of like an air [TS]

00:42:49   cushion between your butt and the seat [TS]

00:42:51   that it gives you time to heat up that [TS]

00:42:53   air and doesn't feel cold wear leather [TS]

00:42:55   just makes a big contact and yeah it [TS]

00:42:57   sucks the heat right out of you so you [TS]

00:42:58   need you definitely don't get leather [TS]

00:43:00   seats without heat or basically it [TS]

00:43:01   should be the rule right it's also [TS]

00:43:02   really nice to to put your hands under [TS]

00:43:05   your legs with onto a heated seat when [TS]

00:43:07   you just like brushed all the snow off [TS]

00:43:08   your car your hands are freezing [TS]

00:43:10   that is why you have the heated steering [TS]

00:43:12   wheel right yeah I'm gonna get to that [TS]

00:43:13   and so is it definitely so I only one of [TS]

00:43:18   our cars has a heated steering wheel and [TS]

00:43:21   oh my god it's amazing and it's oh man [TS]

00:43:25   not a lot of cars have it as an option [TS]

00:43:27   but if you have that as an option if you [TS]

00:43:30   live anywhere cold you'd be amazed how [TS]

00:43:33   nice it is like it i and and it [TS]

00:43:36   BMW's version of it is actually pretty [TS]

00:43:38   terrible i mean at least the one of my [TS]

00:43:40   three series i don't i haven't used any [TS]

00:43:41   other ones yet but like the the button [TS]

00:43:44   for it is positioned on the on the side [TS]

00:43:47   of the wheel icon like the I don't know [TS]

00:43:48   the shaft whatever it's called its [TS]

00:43:51   position on the side of that but one of [TS]

00:43:53   the spokes of the wheel visually blocks [TS]

00:43:56   you from seeing it when you're driving [TS]

00:43:58   if you unless you're turning and pretty [TS]

00:44:00   sharply so if you're driving straight [TS]

00:44:02   you can't see what [TS]

00:44:03   the heated steering wheel on or off and [TS]

00:44:06   so and and there's even like a couple [TS]

00:44:09   like dead spots like around the [TS]

00:44:11   perimeter of the wheel we're just not [TS]

00:44:12   heated like where some of the joints are [TS]

00:44:14   with the spokes so it doesn't even a [TS]

00:44:16   very good imitation of this but it's [TS]

00:44:18   just so nice to have that feature and [TS]

00:44:20   it's it is incredible they really like [TS]

00:44:22   when you when you're you know when it's [TS]

00:44:25   cold and everything in the car is cold [TS]

00:44:27   every surface you touches cold having [TS]

00:44:29   the heated seat is a big step up having [TS]

00:44:32   a heated will just completes its like [TS]

00:44:34   then you can get in the car without [TS]

00:44:35   gloves and without any without freezing [TS]

00:44:38   your hands off and just wrap your hands [TS]

00:44:39   around that we always just it just feels [TS]

00:44:40   so nice [TS]

00:44:41   even if one just like 40 you know it [TS]

00:44:43   doesn't have your back hold this to be [TS]

00:44:45   nice it is fantastic [TS]

00:44:47   I definitely again i would strongly [TS]

00:44:49   recommend heated wheel let's see a [TS]

00:44:52   powered seats a lot of people are iffy [TS]

00:44:55   on this sometimes they're very expensive [TS]

00:44:57   add on base they do certainly add weight [TS]

00:44:59   one major awesome feature powered seats [TS]

00:45:02   if if you have two drivers of your car [TS]

00:45:04   and you are not identically sized [TS]

00:45:06   powered seats usually have memories and [TS]

00:45:09   so you can usually program in like you [TS]

00:45:11   and your spouse to have two different [TS]

00:45:12   seat settings and then you can adjust [TS]

00:45:15   with you know the push of a button you [TS]

00:45:17   can adjust between the two of you [TS]

00:45:19   it's also very useful even if you're the [TS]

00:45:21   only person who drives your car it's [TS]

00:45:23   nice like if you go if you get like a [TS]

00:45:24   car wash or if you get car service and [TS]

00:45:27   somebody else has to sit in your car for [TS]

00:45:29   a minute and they adjust the seat then [TS]

00:45:31   as soon as they hit the car back you can [TS]

00:45:33   push the buttons back to your perfect [TS]

00:45:34   settings so absolutely know what it is [TS]

00:45:38   that the people who service and wash and [TS]

00:45:41   detail your car like how is it that they [TS]

00:45:43   come to choose the seating and mirror [TS]

00:45:45   positions and hvac settings that are [TS]

00:45:48   that exist in your cards when you get [TS]

00:45:50   into your car like no human would have [TS]

00:45:52   these combination of attributes they [TS]

00:45:54   just randomly positioning the seats the [TS]

00:45:57   mirrors and like the blower's on full [TS]

00:45:59   and the heat is on minutes but the air [TS]

00:46:00   conditioning is also on the radio is [TS]

00:46:02   blaring on some weird station this is [TS]

00:46:04   pushed all the way back but push forward [TS]

00:46:06   and the mirrors can't be seen from that [TS]

00:46:08   position is just as he strikes me is [TS]

00:46:10   completely random [TS]

00:46:11   you're absolutely right in the funny [TS]

00:46:13   thing is you know as [TS]

00:46:14   as the driver of a car with a clutch i [TS]

00:46:17   know that i can't properly operate my [TS]

00:46:19   car it except in a maybe two or three [TS]

00:46:22   inch depth of mice of the seat so [TS]

00:46:25   there's like a 23 inch window of good [TS]

00:46:26   weather and I can operate the clutch [TS]

00:46:28   properly and almost every time I get in [TS]

00:46:30   my car and almost every time I get in my [TS]

00:46:32   car [TS]

00:46:33   well after it's been serviced the seat [TS]

00:46:35   is back so John you wouldn't be able to [TS]

00:46:37   operate the clutch properly so I'm some [TS]

00:46:40   basically six foot tall and I get in the [TS]

00:46:43   car and there must be like Shaquille [TS]

00:46:44   O'Neal head in the service bay servicing [TS]

00:46:47   this damn thing because it is so far [TS]

00:46:49   back I don't know how anyone even got it [TS]

00:46:52   to the parking spot it was in maybe they [TS]

00:46:54   slapped it lack of memory seats which I [TS]

00:46:56   wanted memory seats forever but of [TS]

00:46:57   course i never get a car with power seat [TS]

00:46:59   so it's not in the cards [TS]

00:47:00   Amanda and you know because my wife is [TS]

00:47:02   much shorter than I am and having that [TS]

00:47:04   happen makes you become skilled in the [TS]

00:47:07   art of driving stick shift car in [TS]

00:47:09   awkward positions because frequently I'd [TS]

00:47:11   like move your car off the driveway or [TS]

00:47:13   move cars around and I'll go in there [TS]

00:47:15   and i won't bother i'm not gonna spend [TS]

00:47:17   the time to adjust the seats and other [TS]

00:47:19   stuff right all sort of went to my she's [TS]

00:47:21   got her seat not only way far forward [TS]

00:47:23   but also cranked up because the universe [TS]

00:47:24   has the lever to go up and down she [TS]

00:47:26   short so she cranks you're not in my [TS]

00:47:28   position [TS]

00:47:29   yeah and I need to see it all the way [TS]

00:47:30   down to give me head room but i can get [TS]

00:47:32   in the car kind of sideways and kind of [TS]

00:47:34   like like Peter my knees are up on my [TS]

00:47:36   chin and my legs are sideways in the [TS]

00:47:38   footwell and I can kind of operate the [TS]

00:47:40   clutch with like the ball of my left [TS]

00:47:42   foot while using the shift there with [TS]

00:47:43   it's just that and knowing how to drive [TS]

00:47:46   a stick shift car wearing ski boots are [TS]

00:47:48   the two important skills that I've [TS]

00:47:49   learned [TS]

00:47:50   yeah i would recommend that was [TS]

00:47:52   impressive yeah let me know when you [TS]

00:47:55   conquer high heels because apparently [TS]

00:47:57   that's all you have left John i think [TS]

00:47:58   steve was probably more difficult [TS]

00:48:00   because you really get no feel for [TS]

00:48:02   what's going on or hate them right [TS]

00:48:03   they're so big I mean it man [TS]

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00:49:46   some something they were doing [TS]

00:49:49   where should we go to set this up now [TS]

00:49:50   I'm a computer nerd [TS]

00:49:52   people always ask me for help setting up [TS]

00:49:53   things and if your computer nerd you [TS]

00:49:56   know that you want to tell them the [TS]

00:49:57   option that's going to cause you the [TS]

00:49:59   least amount of work and so typically [TS]

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00:50:04   or better yet will go buy an ipad these [TS]

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00:50:55   why are we selling something that much [TS]

00:50:57   of a store i don't need well I can make [TS]

00:51:00   a big shirt with a big in on it with my [TS]

00:51:04   logo i made in five minutes of footage [TS]

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00:51:10   options because i wanted to hear your [TS]

00:51:11   clitoris apart about the navigation if [TS]

00:51:13   you were yes [TS]

00:51:14   so one more quick thing on syracuse [TS]

00:51:17   mentioned satellite radio is terrible i [TS]

00:51:19   do agree i'm a big fan of some satellite [TS]

00:51:22   radio content however sirius XM is [TS]

00:51:27   really a pretty rough company in a lot [TS]

00:51:29   of ways they they're like the kind of [TS]

00:51:32   company like once you get if you ever [TS]

00:51:34   subscribe to siriusxm they will spam the [TS]

00:51:37   crap out of you forever like input [TS]

00:51:38   you'll get things in the mail every week [TS]

00:51:41   saying hey we activated your radio for [TS]

00:51:43   another two hours for free come back to [TS]

00:51:44   us here's an offer [TS]

00:51:46   you know one of those companies like [TS]

00:51:47   where you can never really fully leave [TS]

00:51:48   their they're just kind of a mess very [TS]

00:51:51   badly managed company and the audio [TS]

00:51:52   quality over the air is pretty terrible [TS]

00:51:54   the internet streaming is ok but the [TS]

00:51:56   audio the over the air quality sounds [TS]

00:51:58   like a like an 80 kilobytes per second [TS]

00:52:00   mp3 it really is is pretty rough [TS]

00:52:03   that being said i did get the premium [TS]

00:52:06   upgrade because I do like listening to a [TS]

00:52:08   few things on satellite radio so I [TS]

00:52:10   tolerate them and i will agree to harman [TS]

00:52:13   kardon BMW upgrades is pretty good [TS]

00:52:15   although the stock one is probably fine [TS]

00:52:17   to honestly my my radio because i [TS]

00:52:21   upgraded with the serious as part of [TS]

00:52:22   package i got HD radio have either of [TS]

00:52:26   you guys have your interview ever used [TS]

00:52:28   HD radio hybrid digital not high [TS]

00:52:30   definition really is that it's not [TS]

00:52:33   another HD radio i believe does not [TS]

00:52:36   stand for high-definition it was a [TS]

00:52:37   trademark issue that they couldn't know [TS]

00:52:39   i know i think i think it's probably [TS]

00:52:41   like a truth in advertising because they [TS]

00:52:43   not giving you you know like technically [TS]

00:52:45   speaking I think good strong FM radio [TS]

00:52:47   signal may be just as good as this [TS]

00:52:49   well it does sound way better on am [TS]

00:52:51   that's for sure but anyway it's a [TS]

00:52:54   HD radio so I have it in my 328 it is [TS]

00:52:57   just completely useless because and [TS]

00:53:00   maybe a maybe other areas this will be [TS]

00:53:02   different but where I am you know in the [TS]

00:53:04   new york metro area the reception for [TS]

00:53:07   the HD signal cuts out occasionally so [TS]

00:53:10   the radio conveniently automatically [TS]

00:53:12   switches back to the FM version or the [TS]

00:53:15   am version of putting what you're [TS]

00:53:16   listening to [TS]

00:53:17   and so as you're driving around you [TS]

00:53:19   you'll hear it cut back and forth [TS]

00:53:21   between the two and you know the HD [TS]

00:53:24   version sounds a little bit better [TS]

00:53:26   usually but uh it's not worth hearing it [TS]

00:53:30   cut back and forth it's annoying as hell [TS]

00:53:31   so i don't i don't recommend HD radio [TS]

00:53:33   also what you're hearing in better [TS]

00:53:36   quality is still terrible radio stations [TS]

00:53:38   you know you're still hearing a million [TS]

00:53:40   commercials an hour you're still hearing [TS]

00:53:42   you know that the same 40 songs and [TS]

00:53:45   rotation with no human djs ever involved [TS]

00:53:47   anymore or somebody pre-recorded from [TS]

00:53:49   some other state you know it radios [TS]

00:53:51   terrible like the whole like broadcast [TS]

00:53:54   radio industry is just instruct shambles [TS]

00:53:56   it's so terrible so you're getting a [TS]

00:53:58   higher quality rendering of a terrible [TS]

00:54:00   product [TS]

00:54:01   sometimes it's really not i don't [TS]

00:54:04   recommend HD radio at all so with the [TS]

00:54:08   with the m5 they have a whole bunch of [TS]

00:54:11   crazy technology options but there in [TS]

00:54:13   like two packages so I got both packages [TS]

00:54:16   so I'm getting most of the creative [TS]

00:54:17   technology things one option i didn't [TS]

00:54:20   get was the bank and all of sudden fancy [TS]

00:54:22   radio it's 35 hundred dollars extra and [TS]

00:54:27   it's just an upgraded stereo and they [TS]

00:54:29   have like all these crazy like there's a [TS]

00:54:32   center speaker on the dash that like [TS]

00:54:34   lifts up out of its little hole that [TS]

00:54:37   sits in when it's often like lift up [TS]

00:54:39   when you turn the car on and beam sound [TS]

00:54:41   directly into your ear something it [TS]

00:54:43   sounds all crazy you know like most bang [TS]

00:54:45   & olufsen marketing claims I i actually [TS]

00:54:49   didn't hear excited I couldn't find one [TS]

00:54:51   of these in a dealer because I I imagine [TS]

00:54:53   they probably have a hard time selling [TS]

00:54:54   anything configured with that option but [TS]

00:54:56   I don't care how good it sounds it could [TS]

00:54:59   sound amazing [TS]

00:55:00   it wouldn't be worth 3,500 dollars for [TS]

00:55:03   me because usually when i'm in the car [TS]

00:55:06   listening to podcasts [TS]

00:55:07   I very rarely listen to music in the car [TS]

00:55:10   so or if I'm listen to music it's on [TS]

00:55:13   such a short trip like just going into [TS]

00:55:15   town for the post office and coming back [TS]

00:55:17   like it's such a short trip that I'm not [TS]

00:55:18   even really gonna notice the quality [TS]

00:55:20   that much on long trips where I would [TS]

00:55:22   notice the quality and pay attention and [TS]

00:55:24   listen to podcasts which usually no [TS]

00:55:27   matter how well they're recorded and [TS]

00:55:30   processed they don't really sound any [TS]

00:55:31   different on different quality car [TS]

00:55:33   stereos and have to really matter so I I [TS]

00:55:37   don't really think paying extra for [TS]

00:55:39   high-end audiences to make sense for me [TS]

00:55:41   other people obviously you know your [TS]

00:55:43   needs will will vary in your priorities [TS]

00:55:45   will vary but even even though I'm [TS]

00:55:47   getting this ridiculous car with lots of [TS]

00:55:49   ridiculous options including like the [TS]

00:55:50   the trunk opens when you wave your foot [TS]

00:55:53   under the car like crazy options like [TS]

00:55:56   that just cuz their abundance the [TS]

00:55:57   packages but i'm not getting the crazy [TS]

00:56:00   stereo for thirty-four thirty-five [TS]

00:56:02   hundred times that's insane i think [TS]

00:56:04   about what you could do with that $300 [TS]

00:56:06   it now that you've opted not to do it [TS]

00:56:08   you can get yourself a really nice [TS]

00:56:09   television that you would get much more [TS]

00:56:11   enjoyment out of then i wouldn't even [TS]

00:56:13   got a TV i mean it's a good TV is like a [TS]

00:56:15   thousand bucks no good TV is least 2 [TS]

00:56:18   grand [TS]

00:56:19   really yeah i guess you actually no i [TS]

00:56:22   mean like when i bought about my current [TS]

00:56:24   TV it's like it's a panasonic 42 inch [TS]

00:56:26   plasma I got in like two thousand six or [TS]

00:56:29   so and it was like a thousand bucks back [TS]

00:56:31   then and now they're even now you can [TS]

00:56:33   get them pretty nice for even cheaper it [TS]

00:56:35   better make 42 just anymore [TS]

00:56:37   ok sorry my small TV know like that when [TS]

00:56:40   they do they make small tvs but they're [TS]

00:56:41   terrible like it when you bought the [TS]

00:56:43   42-inch that was like the sweet spot of [TS]

00:56:46   the size now I wish you get them smaller [TS]

00:56:47   because you can get 50 inches anymore [TS]

00:56:49   the top end models the smallest ones are [TS]

00:56:51   55 really yeah my TV is 50 and I got the [TS]

00:56:55   small one when i bought it but now my [TS]

00:56:57   you know the successor to my product [TS]

00:56:59   range yes smallest comes in is 5500 man [TS]

00:57:02   anyway so so yet [TS]

00:57:06   hi I'm Ryan radio stuff i don't really [TS]

00:57:08   care about rear-seat entertainment [TS]

00:57:10   I don't get that option either because I [TS]

00:57:12   figure 4 and we not right now my kids [TS]

00:57:14   too young to use it but once he's old [TS]

00:57:15   enough to use it [TS]

00:57:17   I figure giving him an ipad [TS]

00:57:19   is not only cheaper especially since i [TS]

00:57:22   since I'm accumulating iPads as time [TS]

00:57:23   goes on as i get each new model for [TS]

00:57:25   testing and then keep the keep all the [TS]

00:57:26   old ones so i have a bunch of extra you [TS]

00:57:29   know tablets and things like that that i [TS]

00:57:31   can i can give them instead and they're [TS]

00:57:33   probably better because they'll take [TS]

00:57:35   naughty but without terribly like this [TS]

00:57:36   this is even better than navigation [TS]

00:57:38   because again they charge you so much [TS]

00:57:39   money for the stupid screens and they [TS]

00:57:40   are right terrible screens especially in [TS]

00:57:42   minivans like oh yeah terrible viewing [TS]

00:57:44   angles terrible contrast that you know [TS]

00:57:47   really poor color saturation here [TS]

00:57:49   playing screens they're worse they're [TS]

00:57:51   worse than their plea [TS]

00:57:52   I was shocked like my brother-in-law got [TS]

00:57:54   a brand new chrysler minivan and this [TS]

00:57:57   quality of the screens in the back at [TS]

00:57:59   like it's not good you know you know the [TS]

00:58:00   ipads are just so far they forget about [TS]

00:58:02   ready to forget about anything just take [TS]

00:58:04   the ipad one screen and it is bigger [TS]

00:58:06   brighter and better than than these [TS]

00:58:08   things and of course the ipad one was [TS]

00:58:10   you know what five hundred dollars or [TS]

00:58:11   whatever it cost you way more than that [TS]

00:58:13   to get this package with the rear seat [TS]

00:58:15   entertainment [TS]

00:58:15   yeah yes I didn't get that either and [TS]

00:58:18   it's all sorts of like little add-ons [TS]

00:58:20   like the cargo net and stuff like that [TS]

00:58:22   that you know the the roof racks various [TS]

00:58:25   like any kind of truck accessory any [TS]

00:58:28   kind of a bolt-on spoiler that doesn't [TS]

00:58:31   come with every one of the models [TS]

00:58:32   anything like that aye aye skip all that [TS]

00:58:34   stuff I don't get any of that stuff tips [TS]

00:58:38   car actually has the cargo net and I [TS]

00:58:40   actually I find it quite annoying [TS]

00:58:42   because it's really obnoxious if it's if [TS]

00:58:47   you keep it up there all the time it's [TS]

00:58:48   really obnoxious to get things into the [TS]

00:58:49   trunk because it kind of like snags on [TS]

00:58:51   everything but if you don't leave it up [TS]

00:58:53   all the time then it's then you'll just [TS]

00:58:55   never use it but it's kind of pointless [TS]

00:58:56   so i don't recommend that either so but [TS]

00:59:00   a kind of along those lines I think in [TS]

00:59:02   this this is not a joke and I'm not [TS]

00:59:04   being sarcastic my favorite feature of [TS]

00:59:06   the subaru might have been the hooks [TS]

00:59:10   that were in the trunk and there were [TS]

00:59:12   two little hooks on either side of the [TS]

00:59:14   trunk opening where you could hook like [TS]

00:59:16   grocery bags and things like that just [TS]

00:59:18   so they wouldn't fall down and spray [TS]

00:59:20   their contents everywhere that is the [TS]

00:59:22   best idea in the world and I don't [TS]

00:59:23   understand why no other men while I'm [TS]

00:59:25   sure there's some of the manufacturer [TS]

00:59:26   that does it but I've never ever seen [TS]

00:59:28   another car that has [TS]

00:59:29   it and it is fantastic and it's it does [TS]

00:59:33   everything the cargo net does with none [TS]

00:59:35   of the penalties and I wish more more [TS]

00:59:37   mates did that's a really good idea [TS]

00:59:39   oh it's burning like their their hooks [TS]

00:59:40   that are strong enough to hold a plastic [TS]

00:59:42   grocery bag bites and allow you like oh [TS]

00:59:43   come on Eve and stuff like that in there [TS]

00:59:46   in the rear like the small rear area [TS]

00:59:49   they have things like hooks and cubbies [TS]

00:59:51   to be able to put things so they don't [TS]

00:59:52   slosh around [TS]

00:59:54   yeah it's absolutely fantastic if you [TS]

00:59:56   want if you want to see like that the [TS]

00:59:57   the height of packaging like that's we [TS]

00:59:57   the height of packaging like that's we [TS]

01:00:00   look into minivan market because they're [TS]

01:00:01   always trying to outdo each other in [TS]

01:00:03   terms in terms of this time to think [TS]

01:00:04   practical packaging things cupholders [TS]

01:00:06   copies for luggage places for kids to [TS]

01:00:08   put things can you know all that stuff [TS]

01:00:10   that's that's what they're competing on [TS]

01:00:12   you know so it's very very interesting [TS]

01:00:14   to watch that war of war of a creative [TS]

01:00:17   use of space also wagons also a very [TS]

01:00:20   good about like at least they're you [TS]

01:00:21   know that a couple times before all the [TS]

01:00:23   same but the the way that the trunk is [TS]

01:00:25   laid out in a wagon where you have like [TS]

01:00:26   the deck lid that can then be taken off [TS]

01:00:29   for broken down or folded away and [TS]

01:00:31   tucked away somewhere and then the floor [TS]

01:00:33   can open up and like there's also a [TS]

01:00:34   similar kind of innovation there where [TS]

01:00:36   you see a lot of very creative use of [TS]

01:00:38   space and and modularity and options so [TS]

01:00:43   yeah what else do i drop for the rest of [TS]

01:00:46   my options discussion I think that [TS]

01:00:47   pretty much covered so i guess i get to [TS]

01:00:48   the navigation thing generally speaking [TS]

01:00:52   I don't like add-ons to my car like i [TS]

01:00:56   don't i don't know i don't like any kind [TS]

01:00:57   of aftermarket thing that I have to like [TS]

01:00:59   suction cup of the windshield or stick [TS]

01:01:01   in the cup holder or anything or like [TS]

01:01:03   you know clip onto the event i really [TS]

01:01:05   don't like any of those things so I i [TS]

01:01:08   I'd for a while I would use this seems [TS]

01:01:10   like when i first got satellite radio [TS]

01:01:12   back with the maxima i would i would [TS]

01:01:14   stick that on i mean even before then I [TS]

01:01:16   was bringing around like a discman or an [TS]

01:01:19   mp3 player tucked into like the that the [TS]

01:01:23   empty bay below the radio where the [TS]

01:01:25   optional CD player would have gone if it [TS]

01:01:28   looking like my old Karolos and stuff [TS]

01:01:30   like that my family had so I I'd like [TS]

01:01:32   shove a CD player in there like rap felt [TS]

01:01:35   around and try to cushion it so it [TS]

01:01:36   wouldn't skip as much you know things [TS]

01:01:39   calculation in the holding tank is at [TS]

01:01:42   one time I even built the carputer which [TS]

01:01:47   lasted until I went over a speed bump [TS]

01:01:48   because i'm using desktop components and [TS]

01:01:51   they don't really appreciate when the [TS]

01:01:53   pentium to slot cpu falls out of its lot [TS]

01:01:58   while its operating on that does not [TS]

01:02:00   really go well so I've tried lots of [TS]

01:02:04   different crazy aftermarket things i [TS]

01:02:05   mentioned earlier how I have my maximas [TS]

01:02:07   bose radio and drilled an oxygen jack [TS]

01:02:10   into its console [TS]

01:02:11   yes after that you know basic suction [TS]

01:02:14   cups of satellite radios and stuff I I [TS]

01:02:16   never did the gps unit thing I've never [TS]

01:02:19   owned a standalone gps unit and some and [TS]

01:02:22   ever since I've gotten smart phones that [TS]

01:02:24   have GPS built and I've never had a [TS]

01:02:26   phone clip or mount that will matter in [TS]

01:02:29   the car in the 328 it actually sits very [TS]

01:02:32   nicely in this little in a little like [TS]

01:02:34   non cup holder like that kind of trade [TS]

01:02:38   area between the stick shift and the [TS]

01:02:40   armrest compartment that my phone is [TS]

01:02:43   very nicely there and even plugs in by [TS]

01:02:45   lightning which is nice so anyway for [TS]

01:02:51   navigation the reason and am I 328 [TS]

01:02:53   doesn't have it [TS]

01:02:55   the 1m doesn't iscar does my next car [TS]

01:02:57   will have it so I i I've not had it in [TS]

01:03:01   my main car for four ever [TS]

01:03:03   I've never I've never had my main car [TS]

01:03:04   and I really do miss it and like when [TS]

01:03:08   we've taken tips car and a few trips [TS]

01:03:10   looks for most purposes i wouldn't [TS]

01:03:12   recommend taking alexis is on track [TS]

01:03:13   because it's just so damn small but it [TS]

01:03:17   really is a having navigation built in [TS]

01:03:19   is really nice for lots of reasons first [TS]

01:03:21   of all user screens are significantly [TS]

01:03:23   larger and and nicer and easier to see [TS]

01:03:25   in the Sun there they're usually shaded [TS]

01:03:27   better by the shape of the dash there [TS]

01:03:29   had that they don't have you know they [TS]

01:03:32   don't have to worry about battery life [TS]

01:03:33   so they can they can afford to be really [TS]

01:03:35   big and bright so that's all very nice [TS]

01:03:39   I they also use external antenna by [TS]

01:03:41   definition they know there's there's [TS]

01:03:42   always a gps antenna you'd like on the [TS]

01:03:44   roof of the car or something on so you [TS]

01:03:47   get faster responses you get more [TS]

01:03:48   accurate tracking then you then you can [TS]

01:03:51   you do with many of the units and [TS]

01:03:52   certainly most smartphones so it's it [TS]

01:03:56   overall just works better in a lot of [TS]

01:03:58   ways now certainly the interfaces can be [TS]

01:04:00   pretty terrible on a lot of them I've [TS]

01:04:02   certainly seen a lot of club tablets [TS]

01:04:04   have complained about this before i do [TS]

01:04:07   think that BMWs is nice that won't come [TS]

01:04:09   as a surprise to anybody listen to this [TS]

01:04:10   show that I think that [TS]

01:04:11   and in case you know you actually use it [TS]

01:04:14   more than I do and and you've spoken [TS]

01:04:15   well about it so you know I think it can [TS]

01:04:18   be done well it isn't always of course [TS]

01:04:20   but it can be done well and it can [TS]

01:04:23   certainly be done well enough [TS]

01:04:24   to make it worth using because of all [TS]

01:04:27   those other benefits like being [TS]

01:04:28   integrated so all those things i really [TS]

01:04:31   do like integrated nav systems and and [TS]

01:04:33   I'm looking forward to this summer when [TS]

01:04:36   I will then start always having one now [TS]

01:04:38   because i haven't had one full time [TS]

01:04:39   before in my 328 i've used the iphone [TS]

01:04:42   with iOS 6 i've used to navigate a few [TS]

01:04:45   times and it's nice but like one thing [TS]

01:04:48   too is like if you don't mount the phone [TS]

01:04:50   up on the dash somewhere you have to [TS]

01:04:51   keep looking down at her picking it up [TS]

01:04:53   to look at where you're going and and I [TS]

01:04:56   assume this is better with androids [TS]

01:04:58   they've been doing to turn turn by turn [TS]

01:04:59   directions for longer but with ios6 the [TS]

01:05:04   turn-by-turn directions really kind of [TS]

01:05:05   assumed that you can see the screen and [TS]

01:05:08   and they'll do things like if you have [TS]

01:05:10   like a quick left her and followed by a [TS]

01:05:12   quick right turn like as part of some [TS]

01:05:13   weird intersection that they like won't [TS]

01:05:15   tell you about one of those terms of [TS]

01:05:17   like Oh turn left ahead and ethnic and [TS]

01:05:20   the end okay you know fine I'm [TS]

01:05:21   voluntarily left like they they assume [TS]

01:05:23   that you can see on the map how their [TS]

01:05:24   illustrating the path you should take [TS]

01:05:26   but if you're just leaving the phone [TS]

01:05:27   tucked away somewhere on the armrest on [TS]

01:05:29   a couple or somewhere and you aren't [TS]

01:05:30   looking at all the time on it does a [TS]

01:05:32   pretty bad job of that and obviously [TS]

01:05:34   they could fix that they could improve [TS]

01:05:35   that I hope they do but you know i got [TS]

01:05:39   like when its built-in usually i will [TS]

01:05:42   not only is it better because they've [TS]

01:05:44   been doing it for longer but uh you [TS]

01:05:46   aren't you can see the path that's [TS]

01:05:48   meeting for you to take without taking [TS]

01:05:49   your eyes too far off the road and then [TS]

01:05:51   like in the current BMWs and and I think [TS]

01:05:53   out a Mercedes both do this now too [TS]

01:05:55   they have the heads-up displays which [TS]

01:05:57   are awesome and and they they project [TS]

01:06:00   onto the windshield so that kind of [TS]

01:06:03   appears as though it's like six feet in [TS]

01:06:05   front of the car perspective wise they [TS]

01:06:09   project your vital information your [TS]

01:06:12   speed your gear and one of them cars and [TS]

01:06:15   the next turn information for navigation [TS]

01:06:18   screen so you can always see without [TS]

01:06:19   even looking down because it's being [TS]

01:06:21   projected you know to look like it's in [TS]

01:06:23   front of you you can see like the little [TS]

01:06:25   right turn arrow and the street name and [TS]

01:06:27   how far away it is and that is so [TS]

01:06:30   incredibly cool and so nice and that's [TS]

01:06:32   something that after market system is [TS]

01:06:34   probably never really going to be able [TS]

01:06:35   to do [TS]

01:06:36   so for you know it the the built-in [TS]

01:06:39   system just have the capability to be so [TS]

01:06:43   much better then anything you're gonna [TS]

01:06:45   add on later and certainly they are [TS]

01:06:47   often very expensive but what's [TS]

01:06:49   happening now is they're becoming so [TS]

01:06:51   much more common and they're moving down [TS]

01:06:53   market so much that the price of them [TS]

01:06:56   are going down in a lot of cars [TS]

01:06:58   especially like something some cars [TS]

01:07:00   where you said John sometimes you don't [TS]

01:07:02   even have the option to not get it [TS]

01:07:03   anymore like I think in i think in the [TS]

01:07:06   hole 5 series i think now you you always [TS]

01:07:09   get in the 3-series you always get the [TS]

01:07:12   screen now but i think the navigation is [TS]

01:07:14   still option on the lower end models but [TS]

01:07:16   certainly the whole 50 i think they all [TS]

01:07:18   come with navigation on and as it moves [TS]

01:07:22   down market we're going to see more of [TS]

01:07:23   that we're going to see navigation [TS]

01:07:24   becoming more standard and less of a [TS]

01:07:25   premium you know when navigating systems [TS]

01:07:27   first came out they were like 4 grand [TS]

01:07:29   and that you know them then they would [TS]

01:07:32   have liked the two grand range you know [TS]

01:07:34   we're seeing that price fall so it's [TS]

01:07:36   only gonna fall further and all [TS]

01:07:37   likelihood I you know as because like [TS]

01:07:40   what one of the big things is like if [TS]

01:07:41   your car doesn't have a a like media [TS]

01:07:44   computer and a big-screen built-in [TS]

01:07:46   already that it's a big cost to add [TS]

01:07:48   those but the market is demanding those [TS]

01:07:50   things so much for media and for other [TS]

01:07:52   things now that like like the 3-series [TS]

01:07:55   now the new 3-series a lot of cars are [TS]

01:07:58   having so they all come with screens and [TS]

01:08:00   once you put in that big nice LCD screen [TS]

01:08:02   that can show anything and has some kind [TS]

01:08:04   of embedded computer OS behind it [TS]

01:08:06   once you put that in adding gps to that [TS]

01:08:09   is is a lot less of a jump in cost and [TS]

01:08:12   complexity than it was before when the [TS]

01:08:14   whole screen was optional and the [TS]

01:08:16   controller and everything so I do think [TS]

01:08:20   that the price difference for it is is [TS]

01:08:23   going to decrease down and in many ways [TS]

01:08:26   already has to the point where it's not [TS]

01:08:29   really that crazy an option to get [TS]

01:08:31   price-wise anymore especially if you're [TS]

01:08:33   if you're already buying a higher-end [TS]

01:08:34   car to begin with and say overall I just [TS]

01:08:37   I love having everything be integrated [TS]

01:08:40   be built in b stock so that I don't have [TS]

01:08:44   to like add crazy things on I don't know [TS]

01:08:48   sense to me but I have a feeling that [TS]

01:08:49   John you have some I mean everyone [TS]

01:08:52   everyone wanted to be built in nobody [TS]

01:08:53   likes having suction cups nobody likes [TS]

01:08:55   hygienic up on things that's what makes [TS]

01:08:56   the built-in one so infuriating this is [TS]

01:08:58   mostly on the only that the average cars [TS]

01:09:01   maybe the high-end cars it's better but [TS]

01:09:02   like in so many cases where the [TS]

01:09:04   navigation will come with a you know a [TS]

01:09:06   regular car use the navigation option it [TS]

01:09:08   is so awfully the framerate is so bad [TS]

01:09:11   the directions i'm telling you to turn [TS]

01:09:13   or so bad the maps are old and out of [TS]

01:09:16   date and it's difficult or impossible to [TS]

01:09:18   get updates for them or it's reading [TS]

01:09:20   from like a hard drive or a bunch of [TS]

01:09:21   dvds in the trunk like this is the state [TS]

01:09:24   of . of the art of navigation in and [TS]

01:09:26   regular cars at the time when you could [TS]

01:09:29   buy you know independent gps units for a [TS]

01:09:31   couple hundred bucks that just trounce [TS]

01:09:33   them entirely and then even better now [TS]

01:09:36   like it comes in everyone's phones you [TS]

01:09:37   don't have to buy dedicated thing for it [TS]

01:09:39   and the software will be updated and the [TS]

01:09:41   maps will be updated and the the things [TS]

01:09:43   about getting a signal and stuff I [TS]

01:09:45   haven't had any issues with that doing [TS]

01:09:46   like navigating from iphones and ipads a [TS]

01:09:48   in cars and everything that but you know [TS]

01:09:51   you're right that like the built-in one [TS]

01:09:52   should be better because you can build [TS]

01:09:54   into the car you can tuck it into a [TS]

01:09:56   little thing so it's not in the Sun you [TS]

01:09:57   know you can do a heads-up display but [TS]

01:10:00   if they can't do the software right and [TS]

01:10:02   they can't even outsources anyone's good [TS]

01:10:03   what ends up happening is like okay Umi [TS]

01:10:05   car has built-in GPS but i'm going to [TS]

01:10:07   suction cup my iphone onto the the [TS]

01:10:09   built-in GPS screen because it's so [TS]

01:10:11   freaking useless and yeah the iphone [TS]

01:10:13   screen is smaller and I'm trying to take [TS]

01:10:14   advantage of the little hood by shoving [TS]

01:10:16   the iphone where the navigation was you [TS]

01:10:20   know it and I have to make sure the [TS]

01:10:21   battery is charged and it's a pain and i [TS]

01:10:22   got these wires hanging down but it's [TS]

01:10:24   still better when i'm actually driving [TS]

01:10:25   because it has you know a higher [TS]

01:10:27   framerate updates my position better [TS]

01:10:29   does better dead reckoning when it loses [TS]

01:10:30   the signal all these things you know [TS]

01:10:32   because basically the state of the art [TS]

01:10:34   of navigation software both in the [TS]

01:10:36   independent navigation units which are [TS]

01:10:37   slowly dying and now and smartphones is [TS]

01:10:40   just advancing by leaps and bounds and [TS]

01:10:42   whatever navigation you got in your car [TS]

01:10:44   is just stuck the way it was you know [TS]

01:10:46   that's slightly true so i actually grew [TS]

01:10:50   from pretty much everything you said but [TS]

01:10:51   one thing that was interesting about [TS]

01:10:53   bringing my car and recently was and I [TS]

01:10:55   think I mentioned this offhandedly a [TS]

01:10:57   couple shows ago I had the car in [TS]

01:10:59   because the comfort access that I was [TS]

01:11:01   just [TS]

01:11:01   singing its praises the proximity key [TS]

01:11:04   wasn't working for crap and so I had the [TS]

01:11:07   car and they reflashed my computer and [TS]

01:11:09   it didn't actually affect the navigation [TS]

01:11:11   but one thing it did give me was the [TS]

01:11:12   ability for the ADA added new bluetooth [TS]

01:11:15   bluetooth profile a bluetooth profile so [TS]

01:11:17   that the iphone will be in text messages [TS]

01:11:21   to the eye dr and I bring that up only [TS]

01:11:23   because i think it's cool and b2 there [TS]

01:11:26   are ways in which you can improve the [TS]

01:11:28   Carlile movie and I think we all spoke [TS]

01:11:29   about this few episodes back but i agree [TS]

01:11:32   with you that changing navigation maps [TS]

01:11:34   and the likelihood likelihood of getting [TS]

01:11:36   new navigation software is almost zero [TS]

01:11:38   and every dealer ever spare anyone ever [TS]

01:11:40   spoken to his but had similar cars say [TS]

01:11:43   that the dealer's hate doing a reflash [TS]

01:11:45   and I don't know if it's because it's [TS]

01:11:46   expensive or what they hate doing it and [TS]

01:11:48   that's really kind of unfortunate it's [TS]

01:11:52   like buying like getting getting honda [TS]

01:11:54   accord like i was looking at the options [TS]

01:11:55   settings are camera something like that [TS]

01:11:57   and getting the navigation option it's [TS]

01:11:58   like buying android phone you basically [TS]

01:11:59   know you might as well just assume [TS]

01:12:01   you're never going to get a software [TS]

01:12:02   upright you know that the navigation is [TS]

01:12:04   never gonna get any better so whatever [TS]

01:12:06   the navigator arrest them isn't in that [TS]

01:12:08   card if it's already not as good as [TS]

01:12:10   what's on your phone if it's already not [TS]

01:12:11   as good as what's on your three-year-old [TS]

01:12:13   standalone gps unit just think of how [TS]

01:12:15   awful you feel about that [TS]

01:12:17   five years later when like you know the [TS]

01:12:19   iphone 17 or you know amazing new iPad [TS]

01:12:22   or something or just even if you're just [TS]

01:12:23   using an old I you take it all the iPad [TS]

01:12:25   Mini or something and dedicated to your [TS]

01:12:27   car once it cycles out of common use [TS]

01:12:29   like isn't you never going to get any [TS]

01:12:31   better and that they're so they're [TS]

01:12:33   starting offices digital I think maybe [TS]

01:12:34   up in the BMW Mercedes Range their [TS]

01:12:37   navigation systems may be our starting [TS]

01:12:39   off its not as much of a deficit but you [TS]

01:12:41   should go to go to like a honda dealer [TS]

01:12:44   marketing who tried to use the touch [TS]

01:12:46   screens and navigation inside one of the [TS]

01:12:47   cords and you will you know it's like [TS]

01:12:49   going back to the seventies you're [TS]

01:12:50   thinking like this thing running on [TS]

01:12:51   vacuum tubes but i will say also like [TS]

01:12:53   BMW they just made their system i think [TS]

01:12:56   and i think one model year ago maybe [TS]

01:12:58   even maybe even for this current model [TS]

01:13:00   year they just made it now able to [TS]

01:13:03   update over the air like you just to [TS]

01:13:05   give you an idea of like where they are [TS]

01:13:07   like they're still obviously as you said [TS]

01:13:08   they're still very far behind like good [TS]

01:13:11   standards for the computer industry of [TS]

01:13:13   of software maintenance and updates and [TS]

01:13:15   everything [TS]

01:13:15   and I do think you're right that it is a [TS]

01:13:18   lot like android phones really they just [TS]

01:13:20   have no incentive really to keep people [TS]

01:13:23   with older cars updated their software [TS]

01:13:25   and so most of them just don't do it and [TS]

01:13:28   and so you shouldn't expect any updates [TS]

01:13:30   ever and it that that obviously I i [TS]

01:13:32   agree with but i still like it's still [TS]

01:13:35   so nice to have that I would I would I [TS]

01:13:39   would rather like you know assuming i [TS]

01:13:41   wasn't Lisa and I was keeping these cars [TS]

01:13:43   for like eight years i would rather buy [TS]

01:13:46   a car love the navigation system for the [TS]

01:13:50   first three or four years and then [TS]

01:13:52   switch to the iphone 17 after that and [TS]

01:13:54   just ignore the building one forever [TS]

01:13:55   after that like I would still I would [TS]

01:13:58   still buy it just to have those first [TS]

01:14:00   few years of it being good and [TS]

01:14:01   up-to-date because that like that's how [TS]

01:14:04   much i like the built-in navigation [TS]

01:14:05   systems i'll see if i end up getting I [TS]

01:14:07   don't have to look at what option [TS]

01:14:08   package the navigation is tied to i [TS]

01:14:11   could end up getting into my next car [TS]

01:14:12   just because i want some other thing [TS]

01:14:14   that's attached to but I'm you know you [TS]

01:14:16   should do take all the squarespace money [TS]

01:14:18   that we're getting from the show and by [TS]

01:14:20   the highest-end trim level you can for [TS]

01:14:23   your next car just to have father to [TS]

01:14:25   talk about on the show because it comes [TS]

01:14:26   with the v6 and I want that too [TS]

01:14:28   Oh John come on the four-cylinder let's [TS]

01:14:32   say my handle and the four cylinders [TS]

01:14:35   like it's lighter weight it's Pepe it's [TS]

01:14:37   not it's not a performance car anywhere [TS]

01:14:39   they did it's you know variable valve [TS]

01:14:41   timing but now the idea of getting the [TS]

01:14:44   accord sport if i end up getting in a [TS]

01:14:46   quarter and that sport the sport trim [TS]

01:14:47   lovely doesn't come with a v6 plus i [TS]

01:14:49   also think the basics doesn't come with [TS]

01:14:50   a stick have to look at the trim options [TS]

01:14:52   it doesn't you're right [TS]

01:14:53   yeah so I mean since I'm not gonna [TS]

01:14:54   happen yeah no I mean from what you said [TS]

01:14:56   about the these the new sport it [TS]

01:14:59   actually looks pretty good like you know [TS]

01:15:01   for that kind of car looks like a really [TS]

01:15:02   great deal and it comes with nice [TS]

01:15:03   looking wheels you know if it wasn't a [TS]

01:15:05   spoiler in the back everyone loves a [TS]

01:15:07   spoiler [TS]

01:15:12   that's awesome and everything if you [TS]

01:15:16   want to do something brief we can I [TS]

01:15:18   don't have anything particular that I've [TS]

01:15:19   been meaning to ask you about although I [TS]

01:15:21   am a little pissed off we didn't talk [TS]

01:15:22   about the laferrari on neutral yeah [TS]

01:15:24   forgot about that put that right down [TS]

01:15:26   for next week that you know everyone [TS]

01:15:28   asked about the neva Auto Show night you [TS]

01:15:30   know I I probably want to talk about the [TS]

01:15:32   supercars or whatever but this that's [TS]

01:15:34   that's probably all the shores of topics [TS]

01:15:36   follow up with the 3-series GT yeah I [TS]

01:15:41   had some of you people come out of the [TS]

01:15:43   woodwork saying they like it I don't [TS]

01:15:44   know these people want the so is that [TS]

01:15:46   about [TS]

01:15:47   certainly I was concerned and oh yeah [TS]

01:15:49   and actually but it's getting a lot of [TS]

01:15:50   attention and people do seem to be [TS]

01:15:52   liking it a lot of that especially [TS]

01:15:53   people who see it in person seemed to be [TS]

01:15:54   liking a lot i'm getting great [TS]

01:15:56   compliments for its a four inch rear [TS]

01:15:58   seat capacity especially but I I did [TS]

01:16:02   suspect comparisons the other day [TS]

01:16:04   because I you know I certainly i also [TS]

01:16:05   have the fear that it might look to SUV [TS]

01:16:08   like in person the same way that the [TS]

01:16:10   giant honda crosstour thing looks ok and [TS]

01:16:13   i really don't like that big honda [TS]

01:16:14   crosstour and so i decide i looked up [TS]

01:16:18   this respects to their now I'll [TS]

01:16:19   published and the crosstour is like 10 [TS]

01:16:23   inches longer so it's it's a [TS]

01:16:25   significantly longer car it's also like [TS]

01:16:27   seven inches taller and that's a big [TS]

01:16:31   that's a major difference there so I I [TS]

01:16:36   think so like the the regular 328 the [TS]

01:16:40   the 3g t is like three inches taller [TS]

01:16:42   than it and like eight inches long or [TS]

01:16:44   something like that but it's ugly it's [TS]

01:16:47   how you like it is pretty but it is [TS]

01:16:49   pretty rough it's not as rough as like [TS]

01:16:50   the crosstour but it's pretty rough now [TS]

01:16:51   I only as far as like 444 any car that [TS]

01:16:56   has more room more capacity than a sedan [TS]

01:17:00   in that category i think it looks very [TS]

01:17:03   good compared to most of the options i [TS]

01:17:04   think that the old 3 series wagon looks [TS]

01:17:06   so much better than that GT I'm just not [TS]

01:17:08   a wagon person I i if you are a wagon [TS]

01:17:10   person that I agree that these are that [TS]

01:17:12   you know the other the old but I just [TS]

01:17:13   think it's a more it's more honest in [TS]

01:17:15   pure form of this this change is a man [TS]

01:17:19   you know i mean like instead of like [TS]

01:17:21   they were because it's the I look at the [TS]

01:17:22   GTM like why are you even trying to say [TS]

01:17:25   open the back down to try to fool me [TS]

01:17:27   into thinking it's not a way all you're [TS]

01:17:28   doing is making a really crappy wagon [TS]

01:17:30   just make it an honest straight back [TS]

01:17:32   roofline like the 3 series wagon like [TS]

01:17:34   the million wagons before it because [TS]

01:17:36   then you know like I that compromise and [TS]

01:17:38   interior space is not worth the stylist [TS]

01:17:40   to compromise and making a smell blood [TS]

01:17:42   to sing well but it actually it's not i [TS]

01:17:45   don't think it's actually overall less [TS]

01:17:46   space because they it's it's actually [TS]

01:17:48   longer than the wagon and and but [TS]

01:17:50   eventually like a trunk platform like [TS]

01:17:52   the trunk area itself is longer i'll [TS]

01:17:55   just take that GT and a different rate [TS]

01:17:57   roofline you know straighten the [TS]

01:17:58   roofline that you'd like you can make a [TS]

01:18:00   wagon longer to up just like it or not [TS]

01:18:01   it's it's a compromise interior [TS]

01:18:04   packaging for no gain and i think a loss [TS]

01:18:06   in exterior appeal as far as I'm [TS]

01:18:09   concerned but I'm i may be in the [TS]

01:18:10   minority conceivable driving these [TS]

01:18:11   hideous SUVs all the time and I don't [TS]

01:18:13   know how they do it and I wanted that [TS]

01:18:15   BMW think the XX yeah the axis and by [TS]

01:18:19   that i don't know what so obviously [TS]

01:18:21   myself not shared by most people if you [TS]

01:18:24   like to do for crying out loud [TS]

01:18:26   only God talk about haha yeah okay [TS]

01:18:29   the fun on the forest there is but ugly [TS]

01:18:31   like the Foresters it's so tall and [TS]

01:18:35   started looking and oh not as using and [TS]

01:18:38   it's not a wagon and it's this is [TS]

01:18:40   terrible [TS]

01:18:40   well it's somebody had tweeted at [TS]

01:18:43   neutral show which I had seen and I'd [TS]

01:18:46   ask this person he had said after [TS]

01:18:48   listening to neutral show now where the [TS]

01:18:49   existence of the BMW 323 Series GT it [TS]

01:18:52   might be everything I ever dreamed of in [TS]

01:18:53   a car and I asked him I said well honest [TS]

01:18:55   question in what ways and I were you I'd [TS]

01:18:58   pasted his reply in the chat but he said [TS]

01:19:01   I really want a luxury hatch others are [TS]

01:19:03   too compromised a 3-2 big high ugly a [TS]

01:19:07   7x6 cetera the three GT looks like it [TS]

01:19:10   hits the mark [TS]

01:19:11   yeah and I and typically excited about [TS]

01:19:13   it like she she's looking at the other [TS]

01:19:15   pictures like shit and she actually [TS]

01:19:16   really wants to go see one person [TS]

01:19:18   somehow like you know whatever the [TS]

01:19:20   whatever becoming a great a great [TS]

01:19:21   example is the you know that Alexis is [TS]

01:19:24   best-selling car for the past 10 years [TS]

01:19:26   were just you know that car the tips [TS]

01:19:28   parents and the rx-3 whatever and YY [TS]

01:19:31   like that is that is so against [TS]

01:19:32   everything that I feel that a car should [TS]

01:19:34   be [TS]

01:19:34   oh yeah well and it's hard for a [TS]

01:19:36   spacious car right back until six [TS]

01:19:39   its interior compromised exterior like [TS]

01:19:41   it's just it's like looking to get a [TS]

01:19:43   sedan or get like a big truck is like we [TS]

01:19:46   can make something that looks truck like [TS]

01:19:47   on the outside but has the interior [TS]

01:19:49   space of a car and people buy it like [TS]

01:19:50   crazy because it's like it's high up and [TS]

01:19:52   you feel like you're in it and so [TS]

01:19:54   obviously i'm not in line with with [TS]

01:19:57   mainstream taste so could be the GT is a [TS]

01:19:58   massive hit but i don't like it i think [TS]

01:20:01   they're going to sell it to them [TS]

01:20:02   I don't know what we'll see I mean BMW [TS]

01:20:04   drivers i think are a different breed [TS]

01:20:06   than the people who are buying that [TS]

01:20:07   Lexus i don't i don't know be surprised [TS]

01:20:09   when you go to a dealer you see a lot of [TS]

01:20:12   those people that's not the same people [TS]

01:20:15   wait so can we play this back we decided [TS]

01:20:19   that we're gonna do an accidental tech [TS]

01:20:20   podcast in celebrated that by doing an [TS]

01:20:23   accident i think we should just want to [TS]

01:20:26   make sure and rated this accidental [TS]

01:20:29   neutral neutral party holy god this is [TS]

01:20:33   not good [TS]

01:20:34   man this is great now this is this hello [TS]

01:20:36   this is all right like they actually [TS]

01:20:38   you're right this is it [TS]