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◼   ► all kidding aside we should probably get [TS]

◼   ► all that crap where do we want to start [TS]

◼   ► that was the star [TS]

◼   ► damn it i was hoping not alright so [TS]

◼   ► let's go with oldest first let's talk [TS]

◼   ► about the laferrari John sure [TS]

◼   ► cod that's what do we think about that [TS]

◼   ► name [TS]

◼   ► it's terrible so there are we supposed [TS]

◼   ► to call it the ferrari laferrari no I [TS]

◼   ► think it's just lost ferrari now why is [TS]

◼   ► it bad why do we not like that name [TS]

◼   ► it's redundant yes it's not really [TS]

◼   ► redundant [TS]

◼   ► i mean i-i think the reason the reason I [TS]

◼   ► don't like it is because I guess we're [TS]

◼   ► kind of used two cars having either [TS]

◼   ► names like after cities in italy or at [TS]

◼   ► least Italian words to sound exotic no i [TS]

◼   ► mean like maranello or whatever [TS]

◼   ► testarossa yeah right yeah or having [TS]

◼   ► kind of a computer nerd e tekky macho [TS]

◼   ► designations like f40 you know and the [TS]

◼   ► rumor was this is going to be f70 where [TS]

◼   ► they have 15 everything was good it was [TS]

◼   ► the end zone which fine whatever you [TS]

◼   ► know that founder of the company name [TS]

◼   ► car after that's fine [TS]

◼   ► this is going to be f70 but no not the [TS]

◼   ► f70 we get lost ferrari which there's [TS]

◼   ► something about it like maybe an Italian [TS]

◼   ► that sounds so weird you're saying it's [TS]

◼   ► this is the Ferrari or whatever because [TS]

◼   ► it is the Ferrari at this point I'm [TS]

◼   ► anyway LOL eventually it won't be but uh [TS]

◼   ► I don't know I it's not like a wee level [TS]

◼   ► naming disaster but I'm [TS]

◼   ► middle-of-the-road on it I kind of see [TS]

◼   ► that having like it a name for like like [TS]

◼   ► one name like Madonna kinda it has a [TS]

◼   ► little bit as a little bit of cash eh [TS]

◼   ► alright well anyone has due to their [TS]

◼   ► other models like you have you have left [TS]

◼   ► Ferrari and you have all the other [TS]

◼   ► Ferraris yeah yeah whatever he may [TS]

◼   ► already named literary California so [TS]

◼   ► there-there gaming has been yeah yeah [TS]

◼   ► it's just it's and like I i just looked [TS]

◼   ► at a handful of news articles about to [TS]

◼   ► see and and almost all of them are [TS]

◼   ► saying the ferrari laferrari which is [TS]

◼   ► just ridiculous but that's going to [TS]

◼   ► happen all the time [TS]

◼   ► like you know you have to admit when [TS]

◼   ► you're when you're picking like a cool [TS]

◼   ► new name for something you have to [TS]

◼   ► imagine how it's going to be used and [TS]

◼   ► when you're doing something a little bit [TS]

◼   ► unconventional like calling the new [TS]

◼   ► model of ferrari laferrari you have to [TS]

◼   ► expect that a whole lot of the press and [TS]

◼   ► a whole lot of people are going to call [TS]

◼   ► it the ferrari laferrari did not not use [TS]

◼   ► it the way you probably intended the [TS]

◼   ► name to be used and just based on that [TS]

◼   ► alone I think that should probably tell [TS]

◼   ► you maybe we shouldn't use this name [TS]

◼   ► well they don't say the Ferrari let the [TS]

◼   ► first of all offer our is one word so [TS]

◼   ► that's good if it's a space / Morrison [TS]

◼   ► second like it in Ferraris own you know [TS]

◼   ► English copy it says that the laferrari [TS]

◼   ► blah blah so it's got a double on it i'm [TS]

◼   ► assuming the time they don't double it i [TS]

◼   ► don't know but the car itself is what [TS]

◼   ► everybody expected i mean it's been the [TS]

◼   ► story itself is posting youtube videos [TS]

◼   ► of like a disguised you know testing [TS]

◼   ► mule type of thing where they got the [TS]

◼   ► black paint over it and the fake body [TS]

◼   ► panels and stuff it's kind of weird to [TS]

◼   ► for the carmaker to be posting its own [TS]

◼   ► disguised car running around cuz i don't [TS]

◼   ► think that shows the car in the best [TS]

◼   ► light I mean even in their official [TS]

◼   ► website they have something showing [TS]

◼   ► listen to the engine sound and i have a [TS]

◼   ► video of the disguised car running [TS]

◼   ► around the track don't want to see this [TS]

◼   ► guy's car because it's like [TS]

◼   ► intentionally made to look ugly and has [TS]

◼   ► weird things sticking out of it and [TS]

◼   ► that's not a good idea but anyway it's [TS]

◼   ► you know mid-engine carbon fiber [TS]

◼   ► supercar thing with a hybrid powertrain [TS]

◼   ► which is the supercar fat of the this [TS]

◼   ► generation [TS]

◼   ► I don't mean a lot of people angry about [TS]

◼   ► it thinking that it was some sort of [TS]

◼   ► ploy [TS]

◼   ► I guess these are people who don't [TS]

◼   ► follow the car industry think it was [TS]

◼   ► some sort of ploy for like to get the [TS]

◼   ► ego people for like you know you want to [TS]

◼   ► think that your green and eco-friendly [TS]

◼   ► and an environmentally-friendly now [TS]

◼   ► because you put this hybrid thing you're [TS]

◼   ► super car [TS]

◼   ► I can't imagine anybody who knows [TS]

◼   ► anything about Ferrari or the supercar [TS]

◼   ► market or anything thinking that because [TS]

◼   ► since it's so clearly not the reason [TS]

◼   ► like no one is going to be fooled into [TS]

◼   ► thinking what how big is this engine [TS]

◼   ► I'm looking for the displacement [TS]

◼   ► well whatever it is it 800 horsepower [TS]

◼   ► v12 it's like all but its fuel efficient [TS]

◼   ► because it has a hot it's a hybrid gonna [TS]

◼   ► not something i've been at least one [TS]

◼   ► person will think the head it's 66 . 3 [TS]

◼   ► liters [TS]

◼   ► yeah so this is the second last and all [TS]

◼   ► the engine you could fit maybe a few [TS]

◼   ► ground up my engine you could fit inside [TS]

◼   ► the displacement of the dungeon problem [TS]

◼   ► you know the reason like Porsches doing [TS]

◼   ► with their 919 spider and everything [TS]

◼   ► like everyone's anything because it [TS]

◼   ► makes the car go faster and the [TS]

◼   ► interesting thing about hypercars i [TS]

◼   ► think is a lot of people asking us to [TS]

◼   ► talk about f1 which i personally know [TS]

◼   ► nothing about but I do know that in for [TS]

◼   ► various reasons f1 has a whole bunch of [TS]

◼   ► rules and restrictions on what you can [TS]

◼   ► put in the cars there is no such [TS]

◼   ► restriction on a car that you just sell [TS]

◼   ► to billionaires so they can do things in [TS]

◼   ► their top-of-the-line supercar that they [TS]

◼   ► can't do in their f1 car because of [TS]

◼   ► various protection and vice versa [TS]

◼   ► obviously the safety things that you [TS]

◼   ► have to do for real cars that you don't [TS]

◼   ► do with f1 cars but as far as I'm aware [TS]

◼   ► i don't know i shouldn't even venture a [TS]

◼   ► guess but I would imagine that hybrid [TS]

◼   ► powertrains are not illegal in f1 anyone [TS]

◼   ► know anyone to google that and give me [TS]

◼   ► something on follow-up i actually did a [TS]

◼   ► little bit of looking around right [TS]

◼   ► before the show a lot of people like he [TS]

◼   ► said have been asking us to talk about [TS]

◼   ► f1 because on paper f1 is the perfect [TS]

◼   ► meld of engineering and cars yet i've [TS]

◼   ► tried a couple of times not very [TS]

◼   ► seriously to get into it and i could not [TS]

◼   ► grasp it at all in the sense that i [TS]

◼   ► found it willfully boring and it's [TS]

◼   ► always on if you're American in the [TS]

◼   ► middle of the night and it's just not [TS]

◼   ► approachable [TS]

◼   ► I don't like Nascar I think as far as [TS]

◼   ► ridiculous I don't follow any kind of [TS]

◼   ► motor racing and I know that probably [TS]

◼   ► disappoint anyone who wasn't born and [TS]

◼   ► bred in america that being said the [TS]

◼   ► curse system ke RS which is kinetic [TS]

◼   ► energy recovery system which is the kind [TS]

◼   ► of hybrid this is some teams in f1 [TS]

◼   ► either did or do you use it as far as i [TS]

◼   ► understand and in fact i was looking [TS]

◼   ► earlier and apparently they're [TS]

◼   ► increasing the possible output of the [TS]

◼   ► current system for next season two like [TS]

◼   ► 220 horsepower something that I have to [TS]

◼   ► find that again see [TS]

◼   ► are allowed to use batteries in your f1 [TS]

◼   ► car well it's not batteries it's [TS]

◼   ► actually a flywheel that's the [TS]

◼   ► interesting bit but this one has [TS]

◼   ► batteries [TS]

◼   ► I think you're right yeah i'm looking at [TS]

◼   ► the page like this that you know that [TS]

◼   ► the laferrari has a battery pack not a [TS]

◼   ► big battery pack but a battery pack and [TS]

◼   ► it does use you know the kinetic energy [TS]

◼   ► recovery like when you're turning and [TS]

◼   ► stuff like that to take access to work [TS]

◼   ► for the wheels and of course [TS]

◼   ► regenerative braking the whole nine [TS]

◼   ► yards but there's also a battery pack [TS]

◼   ► right so as per wikipedia as of 2014 [TS]

◼   ► power capacity of the curves units will [TS]

◼   ► increase from 60 kilowatts or 80 [TS]

◼   ► horsepower 220 kilowatts does anyone [TS]

◼   ► really use kilowatts 260 horsepower [TS]

◼   ► there will be no this will be to balance [TS]

◼   ► the sports move from a two and a half [TS]

◼   ► liter v8 21 and a half liter v6 got [TS]

◼   ► that's time [TS]

◼   ► yeah well I mean those cars weigh like [TS]

◼   ► you know 20 pounds i don't know they [TS]

◼   ► have it there under 2,000 pounds right [TS]

◼   ► that I don't know but I would assume so [TS]

◼   ► yeah I mean so this district that's the [TS]

◼   ► thing about the laferrari is there their [TS]

◼   ► design Golden State design goal with a [TS]

◼   ► people talking about what they didn't [TS]

◼   ► they don't say as much but basically [TS]

◼   ► when you add you know this hybrid [TS]

◼   ► powertrain especially when you add those [TS]

◼   ► battery packs that adds weight to a car [TS]

◼   ► and you want the way to be down so their [TS]

◼   ► goal was to you know can we add these [TS]

◼   ► the these this hybrid powertrain which [TS]

◼   ► gives us you know great low end torque [TS]

◼   ► and lots of other positive [TS]

◼   ► characteristics without making the car [TS]

◼   ► porker because you know that the Tesla [TS]

◼   ► Model S is a tremendously happy car [TS]

◼   ► probably twice as much as this laferrari [TS]

◼   ► right now so you can't just stop with [TS]

◼   ► batteries will destroy performance [TS]

◼   ► they're basically trying to balance how [TS]

◼   ► big can we make the battery pack until [TS]

◼   ► the point where the extra torque we get [TS]

◼   ► from the battery extra power away from [TS]

◼   ► that battery pack is not overcome by the [TS]

◼   ► way to of the pack itself so they kept [TS]

◼   ► trying to balance it if we do you know [TS]

◼   ► if you make it too big just you're [TS]

◼   ► making your hard works if you make it [TS]

◼   ► too small you're not doing enough to [TS]

◼   ► make it better is there trying to sort [TS]

◼   ► of balance that equation there and the [TS]

◼   ► first thing I did when I pulled up this [TS]

◼   ► car on mine it was announced that the [TS]

◼   ► auto show and I went to the laferrari [TS]

◼   ► com was I went to the technical specs [TS]

◼   ► thing I wanted to see what is the weight [TS]

◼   ► how much does this car way and I don't [TS]

◼   ► think that you listed the weight at all [TS]

◼   ► i'm looking at the site now I think it's [TS]

◼   ► still not listed [TS]

◼   ► let's see tech specs I anyway I know I [TS]

◼   ► know on the very first day there was no [TS]

◼   ► wait listed for the thing and that is [TS]

◼   ► not reassuring to me they talked a lot [TS]

◼   ► about how they saved a lot of weight and [TS]

◼   ► other aspects of the carbon i'm assuming [TS]

◼   ► it's all making up for the for the [TS]

◼   ► battery pack and they didn't of course [TS]

◼   ► talk about how it lapse their test track [TS]

◼   ► five seconds faster than their previous [TS]

◼   ► car and all the other good things about [TS]

◼   ► it but wait i think still is a concern [TS]

◼   ► so this is kind of like a supercar [TS]

◼   ► transitional phase i don't know if [TS]

◼   ► they're transitioning entire to electric [TS]

◼   ► or whatever but like this this system [TS]

◼   ► where you have to power trains where [TS]

◼   ► you've got your big gigantic good [TS]

◼   ► old-fashioned engine incredibly high [TS]

◼   ► revving very powerful [TS]

◼   ► all good things right and also a little [TS]

◼   ► bit of an electric motor attached in [TS]

◼   ► there you don't want to have to [TS]

◼   ► powertrains like that the model s the [TS]

◼   ► design of big battery pack 1 engine for [TS]

◼   ► each wheel no gear is no nothing that is [TS]

◼   ► very simple and direct it's just obvious [TS]

◼   ► that that design is never gonna work for [TS]

◼   ► supercar because you're super kinds of [TS]

◼   ► being 5,000 pounds that's that's a [TS]

◼   ► non-starter unless you're the bugatti [TS]

◼   ► veyron over the hell that thing weighs [TS]

◼   ► because I knew you know I have what is [TS]

◼   ► that 16-cylinder engine in there [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's yeah that's a whole other [TS]

◼   ► issue and it's a lot turbo and it's 1100 [TS]

◼   ► power I mean at some point we can [TS]

◼   ► overcome wait this is good business [TS]

◼   ► getting up to it so you've got this is [TS]

◼   ► what is it to 700 ish think 750 ish so [TS]

◼   ► 963 horsepower is there they're claiming [TS]

◼   ► it was looking at torque then that's [TS]

◼   ► that that's their claim that total [TS]

◼   ► horsepower with the you know with [TS]

◼   ► everything combined and made under [TS]

◼   ► horsepower engine + 250 260 34 you know [TS]

◼   ► I in a car that presumably does not [TS]

◼   ► weigh a tremendous amount more than the [TS]

◼   ► last car and you know that the purpose [TS]

◼   ► in their numbers they say the five [TS]

◼   ► seconds faster on the track is that I [TS]

◼   ► don't know how long the track is but you [TS]

◼   ► know it it's faster as they say hundred [TS]

◼   ► 6263 horsepower from this hybrid for the [TS]

◼   ► hybrid system that is hi yes I'm trying [TS]

◼   ► to parallel park it with that big [TS]

◼   ► he knows what you can get it over first [TS]

◼   ► you can't get over the the you know the [TS]

◼   ► skirt things yeah so the rest of the car [TS]

◼   ► like the aerodynamic aids all the active [TS]

◼   ► aerodynamics stuff i obviously if I [TS]

◼   ► could be wrong about f1 again and say [TS]

◼   ► that I think that's another area that f1 [TS]

◼   ► has more restrictions and streetcars 10 [TS]

◼   ► people can write and tell me what I'm [TS]

◼   ► about that like basically an f1 the [TS]

◼   ► inheritance [TS]

◼   ► their goal is to make a competitive [TS]

◼   ► sport their goal is not to see how fast [TS]

◼   ► we can go i mean just talking about how [TS]

◼   ► the engines like v8 or v6 is I whatever [TS]

◼   ► restrictions they have on the racing [TS]

◼   ► there's two isn't trying to be in the [TS]

◼   ► name of fairness but there's no such [TS]

◼   ► thing as Paris when you're making a [TS]

◼   ► hypercar you just make it as fast as [TS]

◼   ► your hand [TS]

◼   ► I guess you have legal restrictions you [TS]

◼   ► know for various countries is going to [TS]

◼   ► be sold in but the a these active Aero [TS]

◼   ► aids basically flaps on the bottom and [TS]

◼   ► top of the car fall within the legal [TS]

◼   ► range of things that you can drive on [TS]

◼   ► the road in most civilized country so [TS]

◼   ► hey no problem so that we can get this [TS]

◼   ► one more thing that can break on your [TS]

◼   ► car [TS]

◼   ► that's what you don't care you're a [TS]

◼   ► millionaire exactly yeah that I think is [TS]

◼   ► another interesting innovation here [TS]

◼   ► whereas i don't think the Enzo had any [TS]

◼   ► sort of actor or at least not the degree [TS]

◼   ► of active aerodynamics interesting is [TS]

◼   ► active aerodynamics are not in service [TS]

◼   ► of going after the Veyrons top speed [TS]

◼   ► like no one is as want to touch that for [TS]

◼   ► so many years now it's alright well they [TS]

◼   ► made this crazy car that was ridiculous [TS]

◼   ► amount of power and its sole job is to [TS]

◼   ► be SuperDuper fast and you know it was [TS]

◼   ► faster on tracks just a tremendous [TS]

◼   ► amount of power even McLaren's not going [TS]

◼   ► after mclaren f1 was the big in a top [TS]

◼   ► speaking for a long time and their new [TS]

◼   ► p1 also has declined to participate in [TS]

◼   ► the go after the Veyron top speed [TS]

◼   ► it's probably because to beat the Veyron [TS]

◼   ► top speed you have to compromise in so [TS]

◼   ► many other areas and all these people [TS]

◼   ► would rather have a car that is more of [TS]

◼   ► an all-round supercar that it does more [TS]

◼   ► than just hit the top speed just for the [TS]

◼   ► hell of it [TS]

◼   ► so all these arrowheads and laferrari [TS]

◼   ► are apparently not to help it you know [TS]

◼   ► go 260 miles an hour top speed is all [TS]

◼   ► about producing downforce and getting [TS]

◼   ► around the track faster which i think is [TS]

◼   ► the appropriate philosophy in mindset [TS]

◼   ► and stance for ferrari to take rather [TS]

◼   ► than [TS]

◼   ► blindly chasing after the top speed [TS]

◼   ► crown which is mostly meaningless [TS]

◼   ► because that the number of roads in the [TS]

◼   ► world where you can get over 260 miles [TS]

◼   ► an hour are probably very small what [TS]

◼   ► else we got in this thing [TS]

◼   ► good got an LCD instrument cluster [TS]

◼   ► surprise great i mean there are 17 [TS]

◼   ► inches [TS]

◼   ► there's no stopping and not know not [TS]

◼   ► that priming the the thing and in front [TS]

◼   ► of you know I know just hanging out with [TS]

◼   ► me if you like a long time ago John you [TS]

◼   ► went backward back in the early days of [TS]

◼   ► your hypercritical podcast which episode [TS]

◼   ► was the TV episode it was lost it was [TS]

◼   ► really early right before the very first [TS]

◼   ► episode of TV and I never visited many [TS]

◼   ► times okay well you know it at the time [TS]

◼   ► you were discussing like you know your [TS]

◼   ► process of buying a new TV and and [TS]

◼   ► trying to evaluate the different types [TS]

◼   ► of tvs that that were that had come out [TS]

◼   ► this is about what two years ago and and [TS]

◼   ► just looking at you know the plasma LCD [TS]

◼   ► and all the little tricks that they did [TS]

◼   ► with technology to try to make it better [TS]

◼   ► because we had passed the point where [TS]

◼   ► the simple thing worked for at least a [TS]

◼   ► simpler thing worked and we had reached [TS]

◼   ► the point TV technology where we are [TS]

◼   ► still today we're in order to get more [TS]

◼   ► contrast more brightness faster refresh [TS]

◼   ► whatever the case in order to improve [TS]

◼   ► the spectrum to compete the [TS]

◼   ► manufacturers had to start doing all [TS]

◼   ► these like weird little tricks and hacks [TS]

◼   ► to to pass these limits that they had [TS]

◼   ► found with the simpler options and I [TS]

◼   ► feel like when that happens to an [TS]

◼   ► industry that tends to make products [TS]

◼   ► that are better in some ways worse and [TS]

◼   ► others way more complex and often [TS]

◼   ► there's weird side effects to the [TS]

◼   ► decisions that they've made and it's [TS]

◼   ► often kind of questionable at the end [TS]

◼   ► whether overall we're better off or not [TS]

◼   ► and and I feel like that's where cars [TS]

◼   ► are especially at the very high end like [TS]

◼   ► this [TS]

◼   ► that's where cars are today where we've [TS]

◼   ► we've already exhausted the value I [TS]

◼   ► think of a naturally aspirated engine i [TS]

◼   ► think we're going to see very very few [TS]

◼   ► of those in new car models going forward [TS]

◼   ► except for the very low-end even I mean [TS]

◼   ► even like the honda accord and toyota [TS]

◼   ► camry i would bet are going to be [TS]

◼   ► turbocharged fairly soon do you think [TS]

◼   ► that's probably that's probably a safe [TS]

◼   ► assumption right for eventually I said [TS]

◼   ► that's a industry-wide trend is lowest [TS]

◼   ► placement with turbos right well but [TS]

◼   ► little I think you're right the only the [TS]

◼   ► only complaint I would lodge with with [TS]

◼   ► regard to that assertion is that if you [TS]

◼   ► are used to driving a naturally [TS]

◼   ► aspirated car and you drive nearly any [TS]

◼   ► turbocharged car no matter how good of a [TS]

◼   ► turbocharged motor it is you still feel [TS]

◼   ► that lag it's the same kind of leg that [TS]

◼   ► I would feel into naturally aspirated [TS]

◼   ► cars one of which is a stick and one is [TS]

◼   ► not where you get that kind of lag from [TS]

◼   ► the torque converter in that [TS]

◼   ► disconnection between the motor in the [TS]

◼   ► in the drivetrain and you get that as [TS]

◼   ► well and a turbocharged car and so while [TS]

◼   ► i completely agree with you guys that on [TS]

◼   ► the street in most normal applications [TS]

◼   ► that's the where everything is going to [TS]

◼   ► be a turbocharged but the having driven [TS]

◼   ► some reasonably quick naturally [TS]

◼   ► aspirated cars like my friend brian's 96 [TS]

◼   ► m three the throttle response from those [TS]

◼   ► colors is just unbelievable and you'll [TS]

◼   ► never get that with the turbocharger [TS]

◼   ► even in the 335 and with the n54 than 55 [TS]

◼   ► which are universally praised as having [TS]

◼   ► almost no lag it's there's still enough [TS]

◼   ► flag that way it would bother you and so [TS]

◼   ► I I don't know when specifically this [TS]

◼   ► would be used except maybe track queens [TS]

◼   ► but i just don't see turbochargers going [TS]

◼   ► I don't see natural aspiration going [TS]

◼   ► completely out the window and not to say [TS]

◼   ► that that's what I think it always ever [TS]

◼   ► go away entirely well now you know it [TS]

◼   ► would work to the point now where other [TS]

◼   ► factors that people want or that it that [TS]

◼   ► factors are better demanded by [TS]

◼   ► regulations like environmental [TS]

◼   ► regulations things that people want are [TS]

◼   ► becoming more important orders being [TS]

◼   ► more demand for them then the benefits [TS]

◼   ► of a simpler design to and people aren't [TS]

◼   ► going people aren't going low [TS]

◼   ► displacement turbo because they think [TS]

◼   ► it's better [TS]

◼   ► they're going there because they're [TS]

◼   ► forced to write because it's really [TS]

◼   ► efficient and and it's a way to get more [TS]

◼   ► power about adding more animated way to [TS]

◼   ► get to put smaller engines and smaller [TS]

◼   ► engines way less smaller engines with [TS]

◼   ► lower displacement to use use less gas [TS]

◼   ► but people still want to have adequate [TS]

◼   ► power alright so we'll give you a [TS]

◼   ► smaller engine that weighs less that has [TS]

◼   ► lower displacement but will try to [TS]

◼   ► release match the previous power with [TS]

◼   ► audiences are both right but see but now [TS]

◼   ► like it [TS]

◼   ► it's if we're going to start having all [TS]

◼   ► these asterisks on everything like you [TS]

◼   ► know that the laferrari it has these two [TS]

◼   ► different powertrains one of which [TS]

◼   ► produces the whatever 800-horsepower one [TS]

◼   ► of experience 163 horsepower but 263 [TS]

◼   ► horsepower is like a maximum and I guess [TS]

◼   ► I'm sure it's possible that if you're [TS]

◼   ► driving it pretty hard that you're [TS]

◼   ► probably not gonna have full battery [TS]

◼   ► charge after a while and you know you're [TS]

◼   ► gonna like there's gonna be times where [TS]

◼   ► the battery will run out and he and then [TS]

◼   ► the performance will suffer until you [TS]

◼   ► get enough battery power back and you'll [TS]

◼   ► be down to only 800 horsepower well but [TS]

◼   ► still what the one about the total [TS]

◼   ► living along practically but still like [TS]

◼   ► there's going to be things like these [TS]

◼   ► little exceptions to feel like as cars [TS]

◼   ► move into these complicated technologies [TS]

◼   ► there's always little exception so like [TS]

◼   ► what turbos at first and until they got [TS]

◼   ► very good at least the big the big [TS]

◼   ► asterisk was lag and I think we've we've [TS]

◼   ► minimize lag so far and I'm sure there's [TS]

◼   ► still a way to go and and and you're [TS]

◼   ► right that it's not eliminated but we [TS]

◼   ► certainly gotten very good at it but [TS]

◼   ► like as things get more complicated it [TS]

◼   ► becomes harder to say oh well it's it [TS]

◼   ► has X horsepower and even like like we [TS]

◼   ► discussed dct is a while back and people [TS]

◼   ► wrote in and informed us that you know [TS]

◼   ► with the dct it pre-selects the next get [TS]

◼   ► you're likely to pick but if you pick [TS]

◼   ► the other one the other direction that [TS]

◼   ► it didn't pre-select your shift times [TS]

◼   ► take longer [TS]

◼   ► so your shift times taking take an [TS]

◼   ► unknown amount of time depending on what [TS]

◼   ► you're doing so it's inconsistent that's [TS]

◼   ► one of those things really we apply [TS]

◼   ► technology to make it better most of the [TS]

◼   ► time but then there's a little asterisk [TS]

◼   ► that oh well it's going to take longer [TS]

◼   ► if you do this one condition or you know [TS]

◼   ► like there's always that there's all [TS]

◼   ► these little exceptions as we make [TS]

◼   ► things more complex that overall we are [TS]

◼   ► getting better off but everything just [TS]

◼   ► getting more complicated and there and [TS]

◼   ► we just keep seeing like little tiny [TS]

◼   ► downsides to that and it's going that's [TS]

◼   ► going to expand as his technology mature [TS]

◼   ► now get going back a second about the [TS]

◼   ► turbo lag thing i found out now that [TS]

◼   ► I've regularly driven a turbo car and on [TS]

◼   ► turbo car i have found [TS]

◼   ► and that it's all about what you're used [TS]

◼   ► to like yes when I when I got the 1m I'd [TS]

◼   ► never had a turbo car before so i got [TS]

◼   ► the 1am and I mean talk about turbo [TS]

◼   ► boost I mean that thing is insanely over [TS]

◼   ► boosted like when when you step on it it [TS]

◼   ► just kicks you in the butt forward I [TS]

◼   ► mean it is really really strong boost so [TS]

◼   ► I had it for a few months and then I [TS]

◼   ► went to that racing day where i got to [TS]

◼   ► drive the current m3 and m5 and the m3 [TS]

◼   ► is a naturally aspirated v8 as you said [TS]

◼   ► what I found with the m3 was that [TS]

◼   ► because I was accustomed to that strong [TS]

◼   ► turbo engine in the one app the m3 felt [TS]

◼   ► like it was lacking high-end perfect I [TS]

◼   ► and performance in the RPM range even [TS]

◼   ► though that's what everyone's been [TS]

◼   ► expecting out of cars forever but I [TS]

◼   ► didn't have that I had the turbo so when [TS]

◼   ► I went to that it was like you know up [TS]

◼   ► from the beginning from of the of the [TS]

◼   ► power range of the RPM range i was like [TS]

◼   ► okay this is really fast and as I got [TS]

◼   ► towards the top I was like wait where's [TS]

◼   ► my boost you know what I expect this to [TS]

◼   ► be kicking me in the butt right now it's [TS]

◼   ► not you know so I i think it's it's just [TS]

◼   ► about whatever you used to and that [TS]

◼   ► feels normal to you and then when you [TS]

◼   ► get into the other thing it feels [TS]

◼   ► underpowered either in the early part of [TS]

◼   ► the Ranger on the left and later part of [TS]

◼   ► the range finding what you're used to [TS]

◼   ► I would agree with that i think that's [TS]

◼   ► that's a very fair way of looking at it [TS]

◼   ► and i don't know i mean i don't mind [TS]

◼   ► turbocharged cars and everything you do [TS]

◼   ► you guys just said is right now that the [TS]

◼   ► subaru had a single turbo that I don't [TS]

◼   ► know a measurement on top my head but it [TS]

◼   ► did very qualitatively it felt lag year [TS]

◼   ► than 335 does I those the only [TS]

◼   ► turbocharged cars driven irregularity [TS]

◼   ► and 335 doesn't feel much like a [TS]

◼   ► turbocharged card feels much more like a [TS]

◼   ► very small v8 which is exactly what BMW [TS]

◼   ► is aiming for and to that end I I really [TS]

◼   ► enjoy it now you put me in in John's [TS]

◼   ► accord with a proper transmission and no [TS]

◼   ► turbochargers and I'll probably say well [TS]

◼   ► it isn't as quick as a 335 that man is [TS]

◼   ► that throttle response good so I don't [TS]

◼   ► John have you driven many church party [TS]

◼   ► said your your appearance vulva was is [TS]

◼   ► that right yeah i mean and that was it [TS]

◼   ► was an old-style turbo where there's no [TS]

◼   ► engine and then all of a sudden as an [TS]

◼   ► engine like that you know there was it [TS]

◼   ► like that was like a group just [TS]

◼   ► continuous power [TS]

◼   ► banned entirely that's that's that's the [TS]

◼   ► exciting part about turbos is that it's [TS]

◼   ► not so much if you had smoothly gone up [TS]

◼   ► to the level of power wouldn't be as [TS]

◼   ► dramatic as you going and before like it [TS]

◼   ► that there was tremendous turbo lag but [TS]

◼   ► when it kicked in yet i don't think it [TS]

◼   ► was a very strong turbo but like that [TS]

◼   ► the engine wasn't that powerful but the [TS]

◼   ► turbo really you know you noticed it and [TS]

◼   ► that was exciting you know I mean keep [TS]

◼   ► going from cars that had no power at all [TS]

◼   ► to one that you know had this big jump [TS]

◼   ► to power was good at the the same token [TS]

◼   ► I've always this is the kind of a [TS]

◼   ► engineering nerd type thing I've always [TS]

◼   ► respected car companies that produce [TS]

◼   ► naturally aspirated engines and then [TS]

◼   ► brag about the horsepower per liter [TS]

◼   ► right like that was the whole point that [TS]

◼   ► race like acura had the crown with the [TS]

◼   ► integra for a while I think and I think [TS]

◼   ► Ferrari had it with the 355 at one point [TS]

◼   ► had the highest you know output per for [TS]

◼   ► leader and that is kind of like a [TS]

◼   ► gentleman's like a gentleman's race for [TS]

◼   ► you know we're not going to use [TS]

◼   ► turbocharger yes we could we could just [TS]

◼   ► pump air into the engine and get more [TS]

◼   ► power that's unseemly we're going to see [TS]

◼   ► how much again you know and that thing [TS]

◼   ► about Marcos analogy with like lcds and [TS]

◼   ► how their pack to death try to make them [TS]

◼   ► be decent [TS]

◼   ► I think the appropriate analog for lcds [TS]

◼   ► and how you know we've changed them a [TS]

◼   ► lot and and in the car world is the [TS]

◼   ► internal combustion engine because [TS]

◼   ► internal combustion engines like look [TS]

◼   ► you could squirt flammable stuff in here [TS]

◼   ► and light it and it pushes these things [TS]

◼   ► up [TS]

◼   ► that's great and then immediately [TS]

◼   ► everyone sees okay well that's good and [TS]

◼   ► all but there are some problems with his [TS]

◼   ► engine for one thing when you run too [TS]

◼   ► fast it explodes [TS]

◼   ► that's bad time to get hot and melt [TS]

◼   ► together we gotta think of something to [TS]

◼   ► do about that too and you know it we [TS]

◼   ► have all these belts and pulleys know [TS]

◼   ► that they are in great and they kind of [TS]

◼   ► wear out and when they break bad things [TS]

◼   ► happen so if we could maybe get some of [TS]

◼   ► you know it's like we've been hacking [TS]

◼   ► the internal and just an engine for all [TS]

◼   ► of its terrible flaws though you know it [TS]

◼   ► shakes the whole car apart well maybe [TS]

◼   ► but a different amount of cylinders in [TS]

◼   ► it that will be better balance but if we [TS]

◼   ► have the lower number we could bounce [TS]

◼   ► shafts in and like you know timing [TS]

◼   ► chains and overhead cams and direct [TS]

◼   ► injection you know where instead of [TS]

◼   ► spraying the gas to a tube into this [TS]

◼   ► thing maybe just squirt right into the [TS]

◼   ► engine you know all we've just been [TS]

◼   ► hacking this friggin thing to death [TS]

◼   ► forever it is that the internal [TS]

◼   ► combustion engine is the lcds of today [TS]

◼   ► where they have all this time tables on [TS]

◼   ► had a transition of pixel from one color [TS]

◼   ► to another color by passing through [TS]

◼   ► solid color because that's actually the [TS]

◼   ► fastest path is pre-programmed in all [TS]

◼   ► those things all that crazy stuff and [TS]

◼   ► dynamic back lights on TVs and [TS]

◼   ► everything that's what we're doing the [TS]

◼   ► internal combustion engine [TS]

◼   ► contrast this with the new technology [TS]

◼   ► which is you know like in the Tesla [TS]

◼   ► which is still in the stage were like [TS]

◼   ► hey we can hook up batteries to an [TS]

◼   ► electric motor and it goes and we [TS]

◼   ► haven't yet begun to really hack that [TS]

◼   ► maybe we won't maybe just inherently [TS]

◼   ► simple technology but for one thing [TS]

◼   ► transmission goes out the window we just [TS]

◼   ► hook up the freakin engine to the wheel [TS]

◼   ► you know we're good to go there all [TS]

◼   ► these things about torque you know not [TS]

◼   ► having a low-end torque or anything [TS]

◼   ► hundred percent of your target that [TS]

◼   ► available in electric languages [TS]

◼   ► available with 0 RPM which is very [TS]

◼   ► different from the other things we have [TS]

◼   ► to do with with regular you know [TS]

◼   ► internal combustion engines so just come [TS]

◼   ► but this combination seems like the [TS]

◼   ► hacker but I think internal combustion [TS]

◼   ► engines are really the ultimate hack job [TS]

◼   ► and we continue to push them and push [TS]

◼   ► them that's what the load displacement [TS]

◼   ► herbal about it's like if you would if [TS]

◼   ► you took one of these load displacement [TS]

◼   ► turbos from some crappy economy car and [TS]

◼   ► brought it back in time to like the [TS]

◼   ► fifties and said we have an engine for [TS]

◼   ► you and it's ways you know 200 pants and [TS]

◼   ► it displaces this much and this and this [TS]

◼   ► is the mileage and is the power they'd [TS]

◼   ► be like this from a supercar like no to [TS]

◼   ► toyota echo you know like it's [TS]

◼   ► unbelievable we managed to ring out of [TS]

◼   ► the internal combustion engine which is [TS]

◼   ► why it's got such legs battery density [TS]

◼   ► like power density of batteries like how [TS]

◼   ► much energy can you put in how much mass [TS]

◼   ► but we are much lower in advancing and [TS]

◼   ► that's why all the hydrogen cars and all [TS]

◼   ► that other stuff in our weekend which [TS]

◼   ► all your cars and on we can run our cars [TS]

◼   ► on tiny little off mr. fusion type [TS]

◼   ► things or maybe use depleted uranium or [TS]

◼   ► not completing the case may be you know [TS]

◼   ► like other things have better energy [TS]

◼   ► mass than gasoline but currently battery [TS]

◼   ► technology is not one of them when [TS]

◼   ► gasoline also has a heck of a lot of [TS]

◼   ► advantages in just practicality like for [TS]

◼   ► instance if you if you crash into a car [TS]

◼   ► so hard that the gas tank ruptures it [TS]

◼   ► won't explode immediately [TS]

◼   ► you can't quite guarantee that for [TS]

◼   ► hydrogen [TS]

◼   ► and and and there's there's like all [TS]

◼   ► sorts of other like transporting that I [TS]

◼   ► truck transport on hydrogen is kind of [TS]

◼   ► dangerous compared to gasoline smell [TS]

◼   ► like there's a debatable whether the [TS]

◼   ► hydrogen is more dangerous think more [TS]

◼   ► the only thing is really really you [TS]

◼   ► could say hydrogen has disadvantages vs [TS]

◼   ► guess is that it has to be under [TS]

◼   ► pressure right and that adds a [TS]

◼   ► tremendous implications [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I don't know about the [TS]

◼   ► explosiveness or any of those other [TS]

◼   ► factors if that's if that's just because [TS]

◼   ► of the pressures involved or not but [TS]

◼   ► like have you guys heard of the Fisker [TS]

◼   ► Karma [TS]

◼   ► yes in fact mr. just quit didn't he mr. [TS]

◼   ► fisker I think just left the company [TS]

◼   ► left the board or something there that [TS]

◼   ► mean that company was probably never [TS]

◼   ► going anywhere but the design is like [TS]

◼   ► the Chevy Volt where it's got a gasoline [TS]

◼   ► engine but the end is not connected to [TS]

◼   ► the wheels it's just there as a [TS]

◼   ► generator to charge the batteries and [TS]

◼   ► the batteries drive electric motors to [TS]

◼   ► make the car go right and i think that's [TS]

◼   ► a pretty elegant solution to the hybrid [TS]

◼   ► range problem [TS]

◼   ► I mean to the electric car range problem [TS]

◼   ► and we obviously that's a transitional [TS]

◼   ► technology until we can really you know [TS]

◼   ► gets the point where battery density is [TS]

◼   ► awesome and we can start doing you no [TS]

◼   ► longer range cars and maybe faster [TS]

◼   ► recharges on the highway but until we [TS]

◼   ► get there which is probably at least a [TS]

◼   ► decade off i think these uh I think [TS]

◼   ► things like the volt and the fisker are [TS]

◼   ► really a very smart compromise [TS]

◼   ► oh yeah I'd like to see it we should [TS]

◼   ► have done that before the show if we [TS]

◼   ► actually prepared but like a graph of [TS]

◼   ► energy density and batteries because i [TS]

◼   ► think it is not improving all that fast [TS]

◼   ► like you said 10 years but they always [TS]

◼   ► just say ten years like it's right up [TS]

◼   ► wearing like show me the graph right [TS]

◼   ► what is how how are our wii advantage is [TS]

◼   ► obviously this to lots of effort put on [TS]

◼   ► crew increasing energy density batteries [TS]

◼   ► because it helps laptops cell phones [TS]

◼   ► tablets like this many applications of [TS]

◼   ► this car is just one of the many [TS]

◼   ► applications so it seems it's not for [TS]

◼   ► lack of trying like if someone could do [TS]

◼   ► a tenfold increase in energy density and [TS]

◼   ► batteries and you know and maintain like [TS]

◼   ► a reasonable recharge time like fuel [TS]

◼   ► cells for the other thing is going to [TS]

◼   ► save us but still not here right [TS]

◼   ► I think progress is slow on those fronts [TS]

◼   ► whereas I i bet i would like to see that [TS]

◼   ► graft against like mileage and power [TS]

◼   ► output for cars because during all this [TS]

◼   ► time we've been complaining about all [TS]

◼   ► these fuel efficiency stuff [TS]

◼   ► the average power available in any car [TS]

◼   ► pick any car range you know consumer [TS]

◼   ► sports or whatever just going up up [TS]

◼   ► because that's what we like we like more [TS]

◼   ► power right so we've been making really [TS]

◼   ► good progress hacking the internal [TS]

◼   ► combustion engine to not just like [TS]

◼   ► maintain the status quo with better [TS]

◼   ► mileage but give us better mileage and [TS]

◼   ► more power and more torque and better [TS]

◼   ► torque curves and less noise and [TS]

◼   ► vibration and harshness and you know [TS]

◼   ► just improving on all fronts probably [TS]

◼   ► faster than $PERCENT battery [TS]

◼   ► technologies have been proving so I'm [TS]

◼   ► unless there's going to be some sort of [TS]

◼   ► breakthrough in battery technology in my [TS]

◼   ► lifetime I'm having a hard time seeing [TS]

◼   ► the internal combustion engine ever get [TS]

◼   ► complete dethrone the balance of power [TS]

◼   ► and underneath the cars may change in [TS]

◼   ► terms of how much battery how much [TS]

◼   ► electric how much gas but any technology [TS]

◼   ► is going to be the internal combustion [TS]

◼   ► has a tough road ahead of it because [TS]

◼   ► internal brush and keeps getting better [TS]

◼   ► and we worked on it for a long time and [TS]

◼   ► battery technology and you know carbon [TS]

◼   ► and fuel cells have not been getting [TS]

◼   ► better fast enough to like quickly swamp [TS]

◼   ► and overtake like when the priest came [TS]

◼   ► out of our people like Oh in five years [TS]

◼   ► all these internal combustion engine [TS]

◼   ► will be gone [TS]

◼   ► well no not you mean not less battery [TS]

◼   ► technology gets much better faster and [TS]

◼   ► if it does you'll notice because [TS]

◼   ► suddenly you're your cell phone will [TS]

◼   ► last all week without charging when that [TS]

◼   ► happens watch out internal combustion [TS]

◼   ► engine but you know right now on the [TS]

◼   ► other limiting factors that may be [TS]

◼   ► yourself what does go a week without [TS]

◼   ► charging but it's only because the [TS]

◼   ► internal components now sip juice like [TS]

◼   ► crazy but at your car has to carry [TS]

◼   ► around you at the very least and you're [TS]

◼   ► not getting any center especially for [TS]

◼   ► American yeah and also known as we were [TS]

◼   ► saying the minute ago like really [TS]

◼   ► gasoline is extremely convenient for so [TS]

◼   ► many reasons like it especially you know [TS]

◼   ► you look at what test was doing with the [TS]

◼   ► supercharged and everything and that's [TS]

◼   ► that's a big step but it being it like [TS]

◼   ► having to stop for 45 minutes or a half [TS]

◼   ► hour whatever it is I don't want I don't [TS]

◼   ► want Tesla Sumerian and threatened to [TS]

◼   ► lose a hundred million dollars of value [TS]

◼   ► but you know whatever it is half hour 45 [TS]

◼   ► minutes for a full charge [TS]

◼   ► that's very very different to stop on a [TS]

◼   ► road trip every 200 miles for that then [TS]

◼   ► to stop every 500 miles 45 minutes [TS]

◼   ► anywhere but no matter where you are you [TS]

◼   ► can find a gas station within a few [TS]

◼   ► miles of where you are in all likelihood [TS]

◼   ► be able to stop their refill your car [TS]

◼   ► and have another 500 miles arranged i [TS]

◼   ► mean that's that's awesome and only [TS]

◼   ► gasoline today can do that and you're [TS]

◼   ► right it doesn't seem like the [TS]

◼   ► alternatives are advancing quickly [TS]

◼   ► enough to be able to replace that [TS]

◼   ► anytime soon [TS]

◼   ► I would agree with that it there's an [TS]

◼   ► argument that several people been making [TS]

◼   ► my father said this to me on numerous [TS]

◼   ► occasions that we're never going to [TS]

◼   ► really be able to break off the the oil [TS]

◼   ► teat if you will until either we really [TS]

◼   ► do run out of oil or it just gets taxed [TS]

◼   ► well candidly to you know European [TS]

◼   ► levels in America and then suddenly will [TS]

◼   ► say oh we must find a way and then [TS]

◼   ► suddenly someone will have an epiphany [TS]

◼   ► and decide oh we can do this other thing [TS]

◼   ► much cheaper better we want dinosaurs [TS]

◼   ► because we'll just do what you have to [TS]

◼   ► like every every time the gas prices are [TS]

◼   ► getting near another dollar interval [TS]

◼   ► everyone predict o-once it crosses X [TS]

◼   ► dollars a gallon and then world never [TS]

◼   ► gonna c major you know major shifts and [TS]

◼   ► demand and electric things taking over [TS]

◼   ► and practice that crosses that level [TS]

◼   ► everyone freaks out for a week and then [TS]

◼   ► that's just the normal level of casque [TS]

◼   ► costs and and so it doesn't and yeah you [TS]

◼   ► know food prices rise trucker prices are [TS]

◼   ► you know like all this stuff happened to [TS]

◼   ► the economy but in people's minds [TS]

◼   ► gasps crossing a certain level doesn't [TS]

◼   ► really change anything now [TS]

◼   ► certainly you know to go to European [TS]

◼   ► type pricing for gas it would I think it [TS]

◼   ► was mostly double our prices that [TS]

◼   ► roughly $PERCENT accurate be paying more [TS]

◼   ► than eight dollars gown and and that's [TS]

◼   ► with the convert two leaders some [TS]

◼   ► habitat that's a you know that would [TS]

◼   ► certainly like a doubling is obviously a [TS]

◼   ► a bigger change than just going to five [TS]

◼   ► dollars or something and and that might [TS]

◼   ► change people's minds a little bit more [TS]

◼   ► severely but I think we can see that [TS]

◼   ► already we can look at Europe we can see [TS]

◼   ► places that do have way more expensive [TS]

◼   ► gas than we do and they have an off [TS]

◼   ► switch to electric they just buy [TS]

◼   ► smaller displacement engines they they [TS]

◼   ► care more about efficiency they buy [TS]

◼   ► smaller cars you know like that's that's [TS]

◼   ► what we're going to see and we do see [TS]

◼   ► that now already you know when as gas [TS]

◼   ► pricing goes up we are seeing that [TS]

◼   ► demand shift just very very slowly but [TS]

◼   ► there's never some big trigger event [TS]

◼   ► that certainly makes everyone willing to [TS]

◼   ► tolerate such at things like the [TS]

◼   ► downsides of electric cars [TS]

◼   ► oh there's two things work is energy [TS]

◼   ► density which you just mentioned and I [TS]

◼   ► finally did look up a graphing and [TS]

◼   ► according to this graph we have doubled [TS]

◼   ► energy density and 10 years from [TS]

◼   ► basically from the introduction of the [TS]

◼   ► ev1 to the Tesla so there's progress but [TS]

◼   ► it's something every year it's doubling [TS]

◼   ► every 10 years so that's 10 times slower [TS]

◼   ► than we would expect from you know [TS]

◼   ► transistor density or whatever and the [TS]

◼   ► other factors cost [TS]

◼   ► alright so fine say we could double [TS]

◼   ► energy density in one year instead of 10 [TS]

◼   ► it still costs 50 grand for you like [TS]

◼   ► real cost without government you know [TS]

◼   ► subsidies and rebates and other stuff to [TS]

◼   ► get you just any car with it with a [TS]

◼   ► reasonable range with a battery in it [TS]

◼   ► it's not so good I mean I that you know [TS]

◼   ► we have all these government subsidies [TS]

◼   ► that make the model s as cheap as it is [TS]

◼   ► a hundred grand like the Chevy Volt is [TS]

◼   ► like 40 grand which is still expensive [TS]

◼   ► but the Sheffield is not really 40 grand [TS]

◼   ► it's way more expensive than that now if [TS]

◼   ► you just if you're paying the full cost [TS]

◼   ► and so these increases energy and you [TS]

◼   ► have to come along with an economical [TS]

◼   ► increases energy density because the [TS]

◼   ► batteries are so big and you know that [TS]

◼   ► the the things physics are so movable [TS]

◼   ► you have to move the people over the [TS]

◼   ► roads through the air you can't like [TS]

◼   ► that energy barrier is not going to get [TS]

◼   ► any lower and yet I mean it was more [TS]

◼   ► thinking that I mean here's a question [TS]

◼   ► you know right now like you know as you [TS]

◼   ► can probably tell by my ranting about [TS]

◼   ► range and and refill times I wouldn't [TS]

◼   ► buy something like the Tesla today [TS]

◼   ► because I frequently take long road [TS]

◼   ► trips that are you know like 200 miles [TS]

◼   ► long or 250 miles long [TS]

◼   ► where it sounds like I would probably [TS]

◼   ► not make it on a full charge of a Tesla [TS]

◼   ► or it would be it would be uncomfortably [TS]

◼   ► close so i probably should probably [TS]

◼   ► wouldn't want to attempt that anyway so [TS]

◼   ► like a at the addition question first [TS]

◼   ► answer how much range do you think [TS]

◼   ► electric car would need for you to make [TS]

◼   ► it your only car [TS]

◼   ► like I think for me that number is [TS]

◼   ► probably 500 miles and i'm basing that [TS]

◼   ► on like I would want to be if I was [TS]

◼   ► taking a multi-day road trip which [TS]

◼   ► granted i don't really do the most of [TS]

◼   ► the time but it but if I was taking a [TS]

◼   ► multi-day road trip i would want to be [TS]

◼   ► roughly the number of miles i would want [TS]

◼   ► to drive per day before just gettin [TS]

◼   ► tired and wanted to save the rest of the [TS]

◼   ► next day so I think 500 is a decent [TS]

◼   ► number for that but actually that's my [TS]

◼   ► real world miles though not 500 like if [TS]

◼   ► you absolutely stretch everything to the [TS]

◼   ► max and drive perfectly on a perfectly [TS]

◼   ► flat road with no wind [TS]

◼   ► I'm talking real usage mileage so it [TS]

◼   ► would probably need an advertised [TS]

◼   ► capacity of more like 700 miles but [TS]

◼   ► you're basing that on on the idea that [TS]

◼   ► it takes you a long time to refuel and [TS]

◼   ► that you can't refuel anywhere that was [TS]

◼   ► true that those are two things because [TS]

◼   ► you're not insisting a 500 mile range [TS]

◼   ► and gas garbage like I just stopped at a [TS]

◼   ► gas station big deal no big deal right [TS]

◼   ► a lot of cars over 500 my friendships I [TS]

◼   ► tell ya something very few very very [TS]

◼   ► view but yea BMWs are among those cars [TS]

◼   ► that ridiculous ranges another not [TS]

◼   ► becoming Muslim yeah I fill my car [TS]

◼   ► constantly well some of them do I just [TS]

◼   ► thought was just reading about it was [TS]

◼   ► just reading about some car with BMW [TS]

◼   ► with a 500 mile range was a DVD m550d [TS]

◼   ► which is ridiculously awesome we'll [TS]

◼   ► never get in the US [TS]

◼   ► yeah my abilities but anyway like so if [TS]

◼   ► you have one of these cars like the [TS]

◼   ► vaults of the Karma we're all right so [TS]

◼   ► the range is 200 miles or 250 miles even [TS]

◼   ► or something that reason one else but [TS]

◼   ► you just felt the gas tank when it runs [TS]

◼   ► out right in the gas station it's still [TS]

◼   ► electric are you still get you know 50 [TS]

◼   ► miles per gallon or whatever 60 then [TS]

◼   ► suddenly you don't your criteria 500 my [TS]

◼   ► range is not a big deal you're just [TS]

◼   ► talking about pure-play entirely [TS]

◼   ► electric cars because you know that [TS]

◼   ► given current technology it takes [TS]

◼   ► forever to charge them you can't just [TS]

◼   ► stop for 10 minutes and you know fill [TS]

◼   ► the tank again you're going to be there [TS]

◼   ► for an hour two hours something really [TS]

◼   ► good like that it's really extending [TS]

◼   ► your trip and I'm frequently like I'm [TS]

◼   ► frequently in rural areas where you know [TS]

◼   ► there you might have to drive five miles [TS]

◼   ► before you see the first gas station i [TS]

◼   ► think it's going to be fairly long [TS]

◼   ► before those places have [TS]

◼   ► high speed electric charge stations and [TS]

◼   ► high-speed it's like a half an hour in [TS]

◼   ► our writings have more it still sucks if [TS]

◼   ► you do if you weren't planning like you [TS]

◼   ► know Tesla's Tesla's PR kind of says [TS]

◼   ► well you know if you if you're stopping [TS]

◼   ► for a meal i must recharge your car [TS]

◼   ► rental it'll just take longer to go in [TS]

◼   ► and have a meal well i don't know about [TS]

◼   ► you but when I stopped for a road trip [TS]

◼   ► first of all I like not having to stop [TS]

◼   ► for a half-hour like if I don't really [TS]

◼   ► want to me i don't really need a meal [TS]

◼   ► thank you i just like to fill up please [TS]

◼   ► with gas that takes five minutes and but [TS]

◼   ► even even from stopping for a meal [TS]

◼   ► what they're really what they're really [TS]

◼   ► telling us to get a full charge need to [TS]

◼   ► stop for like 45 minutes or you know [TS]

◼   ► that's that's a bit long for a road trip [TS]

◼   ► meal for me like when we stopped you [TS]

◼   ► know even a rest stop and maybe if we go [TS]

◼   ► to the bathroom and get gas and get food [TS]

◼   ► maybe it might be 25-30 minutes [TS]

◼   ► you know like it here and and we're not [TS]

◼   ► likely to do that do in the middle of [TS]

◼   ► most road trips you know like most road [TS]

◼   ► trips are going to be like for us it's [TS]

◼   ► gonna be like that 200 to 300 mile range [TS]

◼   ► where we can make it the whole way [TS]

◼   ► without gas or food probably you know so [TS]

◼   ► and if we do stop for either we're gonna [TS]

◼   ► make it quick [TS]

◼   ► similarly like I mean obviously I'm new [TS]

◼   ► to this whole having a kid thing but for [TS]

◼   ► us you know I I assume this is similar [TS]

◼   ► with other parents you know the baby has [TS]

◼   ► his own schedule and if we stop for a [TS]

◼   ► half hour at an unplanned time that's [TS]

◼   ► going to really backfire in a bad way in [TS]

◼   ► all likelihood and whereas like you know [TS]

◼   ► if I'm just stopping for five minutes [TS]

◼   ► and the baby is trying to sleep and he [TS]

◼   ► only wants to sleep on the cars going [TS]

◼   ► fast okay i can stop 45 minutes he might [TS]

◼   ► sleep through it if he wakes up he'll [TS]

◼   ► scream 43 minutes and then we go [TS]

◼   ► you know that's that's very different [TS]

◼   ► from ok here's an unplanned [TS]

◼   ► half-hour-long stop and and some of this [TS]

◼   ► is you could argue some of this would [TS]

◼   ► just be changing your habits and and [TS]

◼   ► planning for these things and [TS]

◼   ► accommodating for these things but [TS]

◼   ► that's not a very strong selling point [TS]

◼   ► in a market that's already established [TS]

◼   ► like gas is really convenient we have [TS]

◼   ► gas everywhere available to us for [TS]

◼   ► reasonable prices for the most part with [TS]

◼   ► very fast Philip times and so gas is [TS]

◼   ► very convenient and and two for somebody [TS]

◼   ► to spend more temporarily spend more on [TS]

◼   ► electric car and to have all these [TS]

◼   ► downsides that go with it [TS]

◼   ► I think it's a pretty weak proposition [TS]

◼   ► but i think they were the range thing is [TS]

◼   ► mostly not it i mean not that it's not [TS]

◼   ► important because it is for this for all [TS]

◼   ► the reasons you listed but it's it's [TS]

◼   ► mostly it's not what's preventing [TS]

◼   ► electric cars from up being more popular [TS]

◼   ► it cost us the problem because so many [TS]

◼   ► people do not take long trips or have [TS]

◼   ► two cars and you can have one for the [TS]

◼   ► long trip someone not for the long trip [TS]

◼   ► you just need to make the cars and much [TS]

◼   ► less expensive because then people will [TS]

◼   ► consider them those hey i'm saving all [TS]

◼   ► this money on gas [TS]

◼   ► why wouldn't advise got what you [TS]

◼   ► wouldn't buy this is 30 grand that's why [TS]

◼   ► you wouldn't buy you have fifteen [TS]

◼   ► thousand dollars you can get a honda fit [TS]

◼   ► that has almost as good mileage not [TS]

◼   ► quite you know me but if you if if they [TS]

◼   ► become price-competitive then you know [TS]

◼   ► people by a little cars to just commute [TS]

◼   ► back and forth to work my work is like [TS]

◼   ► five miles away from my house and I you [TS]

◼   ► know I drive 10 miles a day and you know [TS]

◼   ► i'm back home i would buy a pure [TS]

◼   ► electric car to commute to and from work [TS]

◼   ► in a second if it didn't cost so much [TS]

◼   ► money you know what I mean oh I mean [TS]

◼   ► you're right that cost is definitely [TS]

◼   ► number one factor but you gotta figure [TS]

◼   ► also a lot of people that you know you [TS]

◼   ► see this with a lot with people who buy [TS]

◼   ► SUVs or pickup trucks a lot of people [TS]

◼   ► will buy a car thinking that they will [TS]

◼   ► use it in some fashion that requires a [TS]

◼   ► certain type of car whether it's a truck [TS]

◼   ► or a big SUV or something like that [TS]

◼   ► they'll say oh well I'll occasionally go [TS]

◼   ► up in the mountains or I'll occasionally [TS]

◼   ► to haul something and it might they [TS]

◼   ► might only need to do that once a year [TS]

◼   ► or like twice during the entire time [TS]

◼   ► they have the car but they still buy the [TS]

◼   ► car you know kind of aspirationally [TS]

◼   ► thinking oh I I'm gonna need it for [TS]

◼   ► those times you and they will consider [TS]

◼   ► things like oh I'll just rent a truck [TS]

◼   ► for a day when I need one something [TS]

◼   ► value those options usually aren't [TS]

◼   ► considered just like a lot of people [TS]

◼   ► will will buy a car that is way more [TS]

◼   ► than their quote needs because of some [TS]

◼   ► something they have in their head that [TS]

◼   ► they think they'll do or they want to do [TS]

◼   ► even though they might never get around [TS]

◼   ► to it that's going to be the big bro [TS]

◼   ► album after cost becomes less of an [TS]

◼   ► issue with electric cars that have [TS]

◼   ► limited ranges are range issues that [TS]

◼   ► people like well what if i want to drive [TS]

◼   ► to ohio you know if that's that then [TS]

◼   ► it's not gonna I'm gonna have to stop [TS]

◼   ► for hours in the middle like that even [TS]

◼   ► even if you only drive to ohio once a [TS]

◼   ► year or even if you haven't ever done [TS]

◼   ► and you might want to someday do it but [TS]

◼   ► I wouldn't recommend them to ohio just [TS]

◼   ► as an example but if you do you might as [TS]

◼   ► well we stopped at stake and shake their [TS]

◼   ► pretty good but yet through it all it's [TS]

◼   ► a boring state to drive through that's [TS]

◼   ► mr. communities room at the very least [TS]

◼   ► if they can get the cost down you can [TS]

◼   ► immediately you then you have a real [TS]

◼   ► market because you can immediately sell [TS]

◼   ► to all the people who already buy cars [TS]

◼   ► that they just know we're gonna be a [TS]

◼   ► little dinky commuters are you know [TS]

◼   ► Europe where like you know you go too [TS]

◼   ► far in your country so it's not like you [TS]

◼   ► know haha how long a trip can you really [TS]

◼   ► taking that they have the Eurorail to go [TS]

◼   ► on the long trip stuff like that there [TS]

◼   ► is a market for small commuter cars it [TS]

◼   ► really never do on your own people will [TS]

◼   ► buy them at especially if they're cheap [TS]

◼   ► and not just keep it cheap reliable like [TS]

◼   ► all there are many advantages to [TS]

◼   ► electric cars just as fewer fewer things [TS]

◼   ► that can go wrong in it you know so [TS]

◼   ► presumably by that point you know no [TS]

◼   ► more transmission or muffler like you [TS]

◼   ► could seal the freaking thing up and try [TS]

◼   ► to make it more weatherproof because [TS]

◼   ► everything can be you know all sealed up [TS]

◼   ► and the technology is nailed down to it [TS]

◼   ► it really will be a much more reliable [TS]

◼   ► much more pleasant thing to use in this [TS]

◼   ► hypothetical future where it doesn't [TS]

◼   ► cost 30 grand take to get yourself one [TS]

◼   ► that that's any good then you've got you [TS]

◼   ► are immediately got less a quarter maybe [TS]

◼   ► even half of the market you still don't [TS]

◼   ► have those people think they're going a [TS]

◼   ► long trip and stuff like that but that's [TS]

◼   ► where hybrids can come in we like all [TS]

◼   ► right fine [TS]

◼   ► you've got a gasoline engine charges the [TS]

◼   ► batteries if if you run a juice just [TS]

◼   ► filled with gas station you're good to [TS]

◼   ► go then that works out but I mean I [TS]

◼   ► think this is all gets back to those [TS]

◼   ► those stupid batteries like all these [TS]

◼   ► things are just all hypothetical because [TS]

◼   ► right now it's just it's just a [TS]

◼   ► non-starter and I think there's no [TS]

◼   ► amount of like a wolf [TS]

◼   ► government-subsidized these cars it [TS]

◼   ► would just you know all they would have [TS]

◼   ► to subsidize them in perpetuity until we [TS]

◼   ► can get another another 20 years we get [TS]

◼   ► two more doubling of energy density [TS]

◼   ► assuming current trends continue because [TS]

◼   ► this graph looks like a line it is not [TS]

◼   ► like a curve so it's not like this is [TS]

◼   ► accelerating or decelerating is just [TS]

◼   ► slow steady progress [TS]

◼   ► sorry and internal combustion engines [TS]

◼   ► keep getting better as well so here's a [TS]

◼   ► question I mean think about it think [TS]

◼   ► about this first of all I to question is [TS]

◼   ► do you do you foresee a future and no [TS]

◼   ► and i'm sure this is probably a ways out [TS]

◼   ► but do you foresee a future where [TS]

◼   ► electric cars are cheaper than gas cars [TS]

◼   ► because they are inherently simpler you [TS]

◼   ► know like how long do you think it'll be [TS]

◼   ► before that happens they're cheaper now [TS]

◼   ► if you don't get any batteries in them [TS]

◼   ► there [TS]

◼   ► that's because that's you know that's [TS]

◼   ► that's what goes on the like those two [TS]

◼   ► electric motors that drive the wheels [TS]

◼   ► compared to the number of parts in the [TS]

◼   ► precision and write for for an internal [TS]

◼   ► combustion engine [TS]

◼   ► yeah i mean electric car should be [TS]

◼   ► cheaper as assuming they can figure out [TS]

◼   ► the battery thing is everything else [TS]

◼   ► about them [TS]

◼   ► there's so much stuff you don't need [TS]

◼   ► this also many parts go away so many [TS]

◼   ► things don't need to be manufactured [TS]

◼   ► just so much stuff just disappears and [TS]

◼   ► it it really like looking at Tesla and [TS]

◼   ► tests are just shows you like wow [TS]

◼   ► regular cars filled with a lot of crap [TS]

◼   ► that you know that you don't strictly [TS]

◼   ► need all the government looks at you [TS]

◼   ► wouldn't you do add a lot i mean i i'm [TS]

◼   ► sure it doesn't come close to closing [TS]

◼   ► the gap but you do add a lot of weird [TS]

◼   ► complex parts for for energy saving [TS]

◼   ► purposes like regenerative breaking [TS]

◼   ► things and like various tricks for all [TS]

◼   ► the electrical components in the car to [TS]

◼   ► save power like you lost like something [TS]

◼   ► because like solid state state stuff is [TS]

◼   ► the type of thing that gets you know [TS]

◼   ► it's cheap it's not like it's not like a [TS]

◼   ► traditional seen pieces of metal flying [TS]

◼   ► past each other a little while it with [TS]

◼   ► get out with exhaust gases and heat and [TS]

◼   ► noise and yeah it's it's way less it [TS]

◼   ► like no I don't know though because I [TS]

◼   ► think you're over simple you're [TS]

◼   ► oversimplifying a bit in the sense that [TS]

◼   ► yes the engine unequivocally gets a lot [TS]

◼   ► simpler but you still have a drivetrain [TS]

◼   ► you still have suspension you still have [TS]

◼   ► wheel bearings instead of steering but [TS]

◼   ► you don't have a drivetrain to speak up [TS]

◼   ► when the electric motors are hooked up [TS]

◼   ► to the wheels i guess i can even have a [TS]

◼   ► license [TS]

◼   ► alright you mean you still have [TS]

◼   ► suspension components and stuff like [TS]

◼   ► that thing where but like and you also [TS]

◼   ► still have the other thing you know you [TS]

◼   ► might not think about when you look at [TS]

◼   ► the tassels they still also have to have [TS]

◼   ► like on the test blood they have a you [TS]

◼   ► know that the pump further for the power [TS]

◼   ► steering [TS]

◼   ► I think it's not electrical power [TS]

◼   ► steering which is strange i think it's [TS]

◼   ► actually a hydraulic pump that the pump [TS]

◼   ► the gas you know that hydraulic brakes [TS]

◼   ► they have the the little things going to [TS]

◼   ► run the compressor for the air [TS]

◼   ► conditioner right all these are [TS]

◼   ► electric-powered things right but that [TS]

◼   ► it's not just the things that drive the [TS]

◼   ► wheels you need something for like [TS]

◼   ► doesn't translate in the accessories [TS]

◼   ► it's all ends up being electric but the [TS]

◼   ► sheer amount of stuff that isn't there [TS]

◼   ► is just so tremendous that these other [TS]

◼   ► things it's kind of weird that they look [TS]

◼   ► at this little you know they would like [TS]

◼   ► the size of softballs like those you [TS]

◼   ► know there's a little air-conditioning [TS]

◼   ► compressor and there's a little pomp and [TS]

◼   ► there's a little thing for the fan that [TS]

◼   ► stuff will continue to coalesce into [TS]

◼   ► like I presume some little single blob [TS]

◼   ► in this future where all cars are [TS]

◼   ► electric or on most cars or electric [TS]

◼   ► where the really have it nailed down is [TS]

◼   ► like it's like you know the LCD is the [TS]

◼   ► internal combustion engine we have it [TS]

◼   ► said so many years to hack on the [TS]

◼   ► internal combustion engine this electric [TS]

◼   ► motor is like the simple version before [TS]

◼   ► we start the hack on it to death before [TS]

◼   ► we've even electric motor sit around and [TS]

◼   ► talk about electric car drive trains [TS]

◼   ► will figure out all the tricks that you [TS]

◼   ► have to do to make an electric cars [TS]

◼   ► drivetrain plus human creature comforts [TS]

◼   ► being an efficient package and will [TS]

◼   ► iterate on that and I think that [TS]

◼   ► iteration will look a little more like [TS]

◼   ► iteration the technology industry then [TS]

◼   ► sort of the mechanical reciprocating [TS]

◼   ► metal lubricated parts iteration which [TS]

◼   ► looks more like mechanical iteration [TS]

◼   ► like it either [TS]

◼   ► this certain barriers to materials and [TS]

◼   ► cost of manufacturing and physical [TS]

◼   ► tolerances that are pretty movable and [TS]

◼   ► its really tough to make good progress [TS]

◼   ► and those whereas if once we can make [TS]

◼   ► something electric we can just keep [TS]

◼   ► drinking that introducing the power and [TS]

◼   ► you know doing a lot of stuff that's [TS]

◼   ► very interesting . and if you think [TS]

◼   ► about it i'll probably beat up for this [TS]

◼   ► but to some degree the automobiles it [TS]

◼   ► stands today is an extension of the [TS]

◼   ► Industrial Revolution and that it's just [TS]

◼   ► a very very revel it's a machine that's [TS]

◼   ► been refined like you've been saying for [TS]

◼   ► over and over and over again 400 years [TS]

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◼   ► alright so time for automatic yes but [TS]

◼   ► are we done with a Ferrari anyone like [TS]

◼   ► you talking about you're still talking [TS]

◼   ► laferrari yeah along the engine the only [TS]

◼   ► thing i think i'd like to add is that it [TS]

◼   ► its it's one of those things where in [TS]

◼   ► retrospect it seems inevitable but it's [TS]

◼   ► surprising to me that we're just now [TS]

◼   ► looking at the the drivetrains that we [TS]

◼   ► have available to us in saying who you [TS]

◼   ► know most internal combustion engines [TS]

◼   ► they don't really come into their own [TS]

◼   ► until really late in the RPM range [TS]

◼   ► generally speaking and you know it's [TS]

◼   ► interesting these electric engines we [TS]

◼   ► have have a million torque for torques [TS]

◼   ► if you're Jeremy Clarkson from 0 RPM and [TS]

◼   ► just like you said earlier John you know [TS]

◼   ► why don't we put these together and in [TS]

◼   ► am surprised that the Ferrari is the law [TS]

◼   ► of the ferrari laferrari cr0 to protect [TS]

◼   ► me exactly is the first thing that there [TS]

◼   ► is the first real supercar application [TS]

◼   ► that I'm aware of that really puts the [TS]

◼   ► two together for nothing but performance [TS]

◼   ► and it seems in retrospect so obvious [TS]

◼   ► you have the electric motor when you're [TS]

◼   ► making no torque and you have the [TS]

◼   ► internal combustion motor when you're [TS]

◼   ► making a ton of torque while the [TS]

◼   ► batteries are always the problem like we [TS]

◼   ► do that if we could just have the [TS]

◼   ► battery's not be inside the car maybe we [TS]

◼   ► could being the the electricity to the [TS]

◼   ► car through a high-power laser of some [TS]

◼   ► kind maybe because that's you know [TS]

◼   ► that's the problem is don't want the [TS]

◼   ► microwave and simcity yeah so now I like [TS]

◼   ► this what this doubling of energy [TS]

◼   ► density of batteries in the past decade [TS]

◼   ► is now got to the point where now also i [TS]

◼   ► think that is me a sex doing this as [TS]

◼   ► well having a some sort of hybrid thing [TS]

◼   ► I don't know operated by the the portion [TS]

◼   ► that BMW i8 is also doing it but we are [TS]

◼   ► not talking about being with you anymore [TS]

◼   ► because the shows too much about BMW [TS]

◼   ► yeah it's not like I mean if this cars [TS]

◼   ► is basically you know it's me it's an [TS]

◼   ► 804 horsepower v12 that revs to 9,000 [TS]

◼   ► 250 rpm which is insane and then just a [TS]

◼   ► little bit of electricity that just a [TS]

◼   ► little bit extra of like made the [TS]

◼   ► batteries as small as we possibly can [TS]

◼   ► not a big deal little bit of [TS]

◼   ► regenerative thing here you go like and [TS]

◼   ► they show the little big show the graph [TS]

◼   ► of the tour curves like will overlap [TS]

◼   ► these curves here's the engine here's [TS]

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◼   ► curves together first day the electric [TS]

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◼   ► tail off it very high rpm barely but it [TS]

◼   ► does tail off a little bit whereas the [TS]

◼   ► gas engine has a peak later on and then [TS]

◼   ► slowly starts to an output right just uh [TS]

◼   ► . also where you know going back to what [TS]

◼   ► we were saying earlier about you know my [TS]

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◼   ► what you think is normal between turbo [TS]

◼   ► and naturally aspirated engines imagine [TS]

◼   ► once people get used to electric cars [TS]

◼   ► all-electric car [TS]

◼   ► I to go from that to a gas engine car [TS]

◼   ► the gas engine car must just feel [TS]

◼   ► incredibly clumsy and ancient by [TS]

◼   ► comparison and I'm not feeling all that [TS]

◼   ► torque that you have available with [TS]

◼   ► electric you know by having this weird [TS]

◼   ► complicated engine that's a no vibrating [TS]

◼   ► and loud relatively speaking and you [TS]

◼   ► know that it's got to just feel like I [TS]

◼   ► don't like it'd be like riding this bike [TS]

◼   ► riding like a rail cart that's stuck [TS]

◼   ► behind a steam engine for that today [TS]

◼   ► like it would be like using a CRT [TS]

◼   ► monitor i think that's the closest one [TS]

◼   ► because like once we cross that divide [TS]

◼   ► no one wants to go back to CRT is a good [TS]

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◼   ► are we done with the ferrari laferrari [TS]

◼   ► well I don't really think there's one on [TS]

◼   ► douchey way to say that you can either [TS]

◼   ► just if you see dollar laferrari well [TS]

◼   ► that's just come on that sounds terrible [TS]

◼   ► you can't I couldn't say that in a [TS]

◼   ► conversation i could say i got you [TS]

◼   ► saying we start with that ugly is it [TS]

◼   ► uglier than the ends are not uglier than [TS]

◼   ► the ends up not absolutely this is just [TS]

◼   ► not the kind of car I would ever buy so [TS]

◼   ► I i really can't judge it I mean it [TS]

◼   ► looks it almost looks to me like a like [TS]

◼   ► a cartoon car like I just this is this [TS]

◼   ► has never entered my world of things I [TS]

◼   ► would ever consider driving around it [TS]

◼   ► I don't think it looks like a cartoon [TS]

◼   ► because if you look at that was that the [TS]

◼   ► Lamborghini something with a V video or [TS]

◼   ► something like that's terrible that [TS]

◼   ► looks like a cartoon car ferrari I I [TS]

◼   ► feel like has been has the best styling [TS]

◼   ► among the top tier supercars because [TS]

◼   ► they make their cars interesting and not [TS]

◼   ► but they don't like lozenges they don't [TS]

◼   ► look like a smooth stone polished in a [TS]

◼   ► river like they have personality but [TS]

◼   ► they don't look like something that is [TS]

◼   ► six-year-old withdraw without fins and [TS]

◼   ► wings and how much of the stuff sticking [TS]

◼   ► out of it so well I barely remember [TS]

◼   ► something an eight-year-old right LOL no [TS]

◼   ► i think i think this there is a [TS]

◼   ► sophistication to this i think this [TS]

◼   ► particular one is much much more [TS]

◼   ► successful incarnation of this sort of [TS]

◼   ► style of car than the Enzo was the Enzo [TS]

◼   ► had some awkward bits on it [TS]

◼   ► all these cars are basically like a [TS]

◼   ► carbon fibre tub bolted to an engine [TS]

◼   ► with suspension on it and then you have [TS]

◼   ► to figure it out put a car body over it [TS]

◼   ► so kind of like an f1 car like styling [TS]

◼   ► is not they have limited freedom and [TS]

◼   ► styling with this car because his car is [TS]

◼   ► not about just looking beautiful as [TS]

◼   ► their top and performance car and if you [TS]

◼   ► have to compromise between styling [TS]

◼   ► performance and this this is the car [TS]

◼   ► ferrari says actually no we got a whole [TS]

◼   ► blind performances the whole . this car [TS]

◼   ► exist and across the bazillion dollars [TS]

◼   ► so it better be fast but i think they do [TS]

◼   ► a much better job with the styling than [TS]

◼   ► their competitors including the McLaren [TS]

◼   ► p1 which I think was like a a giant fish [TS]

◼   ► or snail or some other kind of ugly [TS]

◼   ► thing I still think the other Ferraris [TS]

◼   ► are better looking than this but there [TS]