10: Driving To Ohio
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all kidding aside we should probably get
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all that crap where do we want to start
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that was the star
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damn it i was hoping not alright so
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let's go with oldest first let's talk
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about the laferrari John sure
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cod that's what do we think about that
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it's terrible so there are we supposed
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to call it the ferrari laferrari no I
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think it's just lost ferrari now why is
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it bad why do we not like that name
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it's redundant yes it's not really
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i mean i-i think the reason the reason I
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don't like it is because I guess we're
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kind of used two cars having either
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names like after cities in italy or at
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least Italian words to sound exotic no i
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mean like maranello or whatever
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testarossa yeah right yeah or having
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kind of a computer nerd e tekky macho
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designations like f40 you know and the
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rumor was this is going to be f70 where
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they have 15 everything was good it was
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the end zone which fine whatever you
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know that founder of the company name
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car after that's fine
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this is going to be f70 but no not the
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f70 we get lost ferrari which there's
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something about it like maybe an Italian
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that sounds so weird you're saying it's
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this is the Ferrari or whatever because
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it is the Ferrari at this point I'm
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anyway LOL eventually it won't be but uh
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I don't know I it's not like a wee level
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naming disaster but I'm
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middle-of-the-road on it I kind of see
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that having like it a name for like like
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one name like Madonna kinda it has a
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little bit as a little bit of cash eh
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alright well anyone has due to their
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other models like you have you have left
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Ferrari and you have all the other
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Ferraris yeah yeah whatever he may
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already named literary California so
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there-there gaming has been yeah yeah
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it's just it's and like I i just looked
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at a handful of news articles about to
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see and and almost all of them are
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saying the ferrari laferrari which is
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just ridiculous but that's going to
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happen all the time
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like you know you have to admit when
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you're when you're picking like a cool
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new name for something you have to
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imagine how it's going to be used and
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when you're doing something a little bit
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unconventional like calling the new
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model of ferrari laferrari you have to
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expect that a whole lot of the press and
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a whole lot of people are going to call
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it the ferrari laferrari did not not use
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it the way you probably intended the
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name to be used and just based on that
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alone I think that should probably tell
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you maybe we shouldn't use this name
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well they don't say the Ferrari let the
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first of all offer our is one word so
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that's good if it's a space / Morrison
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second like it in Ferraris own you know
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English copy it says that the laferrari
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blah blah so it's got a double on it i'm
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assuming the time they don't double it i
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don't know but the car itself is what
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everybody expected i mean it's been the
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story itself is posting youtube videos
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of like a disguised you know testing
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mule type of thing where they got the
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black paint over it and the fake body
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panels and stuff it's kind of weird to
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for the carmaker to be posting its own
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disguised car running around cuz i don't
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think that shows the car in the best
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light I mean even in their official
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website they have something showing
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listen to the engine sound and i have a
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video of the disguised car running
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around the track don't want to see this
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guy's car because it's like
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intentionally made to look ugly and has
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weird things sticking out of it and
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that's not a good idea but anyway it's
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you know mid-engine carbon fiber
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supercar thing with a hybrid powertrain
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which is the supercar fat of the this
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I don't mean a lot of people angry about
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it thinking that it was some sort of
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I guess these are people who don't
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follow the car industry think it was
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some sort of ploy for like to get the
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ego people for like you know you want to
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think that your green and eco-friendly
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and an environmentally-friendly now
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because you put this hybrid thing you're
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I can't imagine anybody who knows
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anything about Ferrari or the supercar
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market or anything thinking that because
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since it's so clearly not the reason
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like no one is going to be fooled into
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thinking what how big is this engine
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I'm looking for the displacement
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well whatever it is it 800 horsepower
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v12 it's like all but its fuel efficient
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because it has a hot it's a hybrid gonna
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not something i've been at least one
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person will think the head it's 66 . 3
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yeah so this is the second last and all
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the engine you could fit maybe a few
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ground up my engine you could fit inside
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the displacement of the dungeon problem
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you know the reason like Porsches doing
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with their 919 spider and everything
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like everyone's anything because it
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makes the car go faster and the
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interesting thing about hypercars i
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think is a lot of people asking us to
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talk about f1 which i personally know
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nothing about but I do know that in for
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various reasons f1 has a whole bunch of
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rules and restrictions on what you can
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put in the cars there is no such
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restriction on a car that you just sell
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to billionaires so they can do things in
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their top-of-the-line supercar that they
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can't do in their f1 car because of
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various protection and vice versa
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obviously the safety things that you
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have to do for real cars that you don't
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do with f1 cars but as far as I'm aware
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i don't know i shouldn't even venture a
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guess but I would imagine that hybrid
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powertrains are not illegal in f1 anyone
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know anyone to google that and give me
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something on follow-up i actually did a
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little bit of looking around right
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before the show a lot of people like he
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said have been asking us to talk about
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f1 because on paper f1 is the perfect
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meld of engineering and cars yet i've
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tried a couple of times not very
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seriously to get into it and i could not
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grasp it at all in the sense that i
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found it willfully boring and it's
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always on if you're American in the
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middle of the night and it's just not
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I don't like Nascar I think as far as
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ridiculous I don't follow any kind of
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motor racing and I know that probably
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disappoint anyone who wasn't born and
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bred in america that being said the
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curse system ke RS which is kinetic
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energy recovery system which is the kind
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of hybrid this is some teams in f1
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either did or do you use it as far as i
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understand and in fact i was looking
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earlier and apparently they're
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increasing the possible output of the
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current system for next season two like
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220 horsepower something that I have to
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find that again see
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are allowed to use batteries in your f1
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car well it's not batteries it's
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actually a flywheel that's the
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interesting bit but this one has
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I think you're right yeah i'm looking at
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the page like this that you know that
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the laferrari has a battery pack not a
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big battery pack but a battery pack and
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it does use you know the kinetic energy
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recovery like when you're turning and
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stuff like that to take access to work
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for the wheels and of course
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regenerative braking the whole nine
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yards but there's also a battery pack
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right so as per wikipedia as of 2014
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power capacity of the curves units will
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increase from 60 kilowatts or 80
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horsepower 220 kilowatts does anyone
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really use kilowatts 260 horsepower
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there will be no this will be to balance
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the sports move from a two and a half
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liter v8 21 and a half liter v6 got
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yeah well I mean those cars weigh like
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you know 20 pounds i don't know they
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have it there under 2,000 pounds right
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that I don't know but I would assume so
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yeah I mean so this district that's the
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thing about the laferrari is there their
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design Golden State design goal with a
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people talking about what they didn't
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they don't say as much but basically
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when you add you know this hybrid
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powertrain especially when you add those
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battery packs that adds weight to a car
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and you want the way to be down so their
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goal was to you know can we add these
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the these this hybrid powertrain which
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gives us you know great low end torque
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and lots of other positive
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characteristics without making the car
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porker because you know that the Tesla
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Model S is a tremendously happy car
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probably twice as much as this laferrari
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right now so you can't just stop with
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batteries will destroy performance
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they're basically trying to balance how
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big can we make the battery pack until
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the point where the extra torque we get
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from the battery extra power away from
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that battery pack is not overcome by the
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way to of the pack itself so they kept
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trying to balance it if we do you know
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if you make it too big just you're
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making your hard works if you make it
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too small you're not doing enough to
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make it better is there trying to sort
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of balance that equation there and the
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first thing I did when I pulled up this
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car on mine it was announced that the
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auto show and I went to the laferrari
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com was I went to the technical specs
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thing I wanted to see what is the weight
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how much does this car way and I don't
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think that you listed the weight at all
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i'm looking at the site now I think it's
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still not listed
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let's see tech specs I anyway I know I
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know on the very first day there was no
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wait listed for the thing and that is
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not reassuring to me they talked a lot
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about how they saved a lot of weight and
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other aspects of the carbon i'm assuming
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it's all making up for the for the
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battery pack and they didn't of course
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talk about how it lapse their test track
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five seconds faster than their previous
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car and all the other good things about
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it but wait i think still is a concern
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so this is kind of like a supercar
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transitional phase i don't know if
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they're transitioning entire to electric
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or whatever but like this this system
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where you have to power trains where
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you've got your big gigantic good
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old-fashioned engine incredibly high
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revving very powerful
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all good things right and also a little
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bit of an electric motor attached in
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there you don't want to have to
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powertrains like that the model s the
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design of big battery pack 1 engine for
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each wheel no gear is no nothing that is
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very simple and direct it's just obvious
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that that design is never gonna work for
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supercar because you're super kinds of
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being 5,000 pounds that's that's a
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non-starter unless you're the bugatti
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veyron over the hell that thing weighs
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because I knew you know I have what is
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that 16-cylinder engine in there
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yeah that's yeah that's a whole other
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issue and it's a lot turbo and it's 1100
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power I mean at some point we can
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overcome wait this is good business
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getting up to it so you've got this is
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what is it to 700 ish think 750 ish so
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963 horsepower is there they're claiming
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it was looking at torque then that's
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that that's their claim that total
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horsepower with the you know with
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everything combined and made under
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horsepower engine + 250 260 34 you know
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I in a car that presumably does not
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weigh a tremendous amount more than the
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last car and you know that the purpose
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in their numbers they say the five
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seconds faster on the track is that I
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don't know how long the track is but you
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know it it's faster as they say hundred
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6263 horsepower from this hybrid for the
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hybrid system that is hi yes I'm trying
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to parallel park it with that big
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he knows what you can get it over first
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you can't get over the the you know the
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skirt things yeah so the rest of the car
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like the aerodynamic aids all the active
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aerodynamics stuff i obviously if I
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could be wrong about f1 again and say
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that I think that's another area that f1
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has more restrictions and streetcars 10
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people can write and tell me what I'm
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about that like basically an f1 the
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their goal is to make a competitive
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sport their goal is not to see how fast
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we can go i mean just talking about how
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the engines like v8 or v6 is I whatever
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restrictions they have on the racing
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there's two isn't trying to be in the
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name of fairness but there's no such
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thing as Paris when you're making a
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hypercar you just make it as fast as
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I guess you have legal restrictions you
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know for various countries is going to
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be sold in but the a these active Aero
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aids basically flaps on the bottom and
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top of the car fall within the legal
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range of things that you can drive on
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the road in most civilized country so
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hey no problem so that we can get this
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one more thing that can break on your
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that's what you don't care you're a
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millionaire exactly yeah that I think is
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another interesting innovation here
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whereas i don't think the Enzo had any
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sort of actor or at least not the degree
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of active aerodynamics interesting is
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active aerodynamics are not in service
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of going after the Veyrons top speed
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like no one is as want to touch that for
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so many years now it's alright well they
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made this crazy car that was ridiculous
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amount of power and its sole job is to
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be SuperDuper fast and you know it was
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faster on tracks just a tremendous
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amount of power even McLaren's not going
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after mclaren f1 was the big in a top
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speaking for a long time and their new
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p1 also has declined to participate in
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the go after the Veyron top speed
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it's probably because to beat the Veyron
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top speed you have to compromise in so
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many other areas and all these people
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would rather have a car that is more of
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an all-round supercar that it does more
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than just hit the top speed just for the
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so all these arrowheads and laferrari
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are apparently not to help it you know
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go 260 miles an hour top speed is all
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about producing downforce and getting
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around the track faster which i think is
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the appropriate philosophy in mindset
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crown which is mostly meaningless
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surprise great i mean there are 17
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there's no stopping and not know not
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that priming the the thing and in front
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of you know I know just hanging out with
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me if you like a long time ago John you
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went backward back in the early days of
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your hypercritical podcast which episode
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was the TV episode it was lost it was
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really early right before the very first
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episode of TV and I never visited many
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you were discussing like you know your
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process of buying a new TV and and
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trying to evaluate the different types
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of tvs that that were that had come out
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this is about what two years ago and and
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just looking at you know the plasma LCD
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and all the little tricks that they did
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with technology to try to make it better
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because we had passed the point where
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the simple thing worked for at least a
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simpler thing worked and we had reached
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the point TV technology where we are
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still today we're in order to get more
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contrast more brightness faster refresh
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whatever the case in order to improve
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the spectrum to compete the
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manufacturers had to start doing all
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these like weird little tricks and hacks
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to to pass these limits that they had
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found with the simpler options and I
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industry that tends to make products
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that are better in some ways worse and
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others way more complex and often
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there's weird side effects to the
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decisions that they've made and it's
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whether overall we're better off or not
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and and I feel like that's where cars
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are especially at the very high end like
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that's where cars are today where we've
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we've already exhausted the value I
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think of a naturally aspirated engine i
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think we're going to see very very few
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of those in new car models going forward
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except for the very low-end even I mean
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even like the honda accord and toyota
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camry i would bet are going to be
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turbocharged fairly soon do you think
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that's probably that's probably a safe
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assumption right for eventually I said
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that's a industry-wide trend is lowest
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placement with turbos right well but
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little I think you're right the only the
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only complaint I would lodge with with
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regard to that assertion is that if you
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are used to driving a naturally
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aspirated car and you drive nearly any
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turbocharged car no matter how good of a
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turbocharged motor it is you still feel
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that lag it's the same kind of leg that
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I would feel into naturally aspirated
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cars one of which is a stick and one is
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not where you get that kind of lag from
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the torque converter in that
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disconnection between the motor in the
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in the drivetrain and you get that as
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well and a turbocharged car and so while
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i completely agree with you guys that on
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the street in most normal applications
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that's the where everything is going to
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be a turbocharged but the having driven
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some reasonably quick naturally
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aspirated cars like my friend brian's 96
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m three the throttle response from those
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colors is just unbelievable and you'll
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never get that with the turbocharger
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even in the 335 and with the n54 than 55
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which are universally praised as having
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almost no lag it's there's still enough
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flag that way it would bother you and so
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I I don't know when specifically this
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would be used except maybe track queens
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but i just don't see turbochargers going
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I don't see natural aspiration going
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completely out the window and not to say
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that that's what I think it always ever
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go away entirely well now you know it
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would work to the point now where other
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factors that people want or that it that
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factors are better demanded by
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regulations like environmental
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regulations things that people want are
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becoming more important orders being
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more demand for them then the benefits
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of a simpler design to and people aren't
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going people aren't going low
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displacement turbo because they think
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they're going there because they're
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forced to write because it's really
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efficient and and it's a way to get more
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power about adding more animated way to
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get to put smaller engines and smaller
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engines way less smaller engines with
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lower displacement to use use less gas
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but people still want to have adequate
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power alright so we'll give you a
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smaller engine that weighs less that has
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lower displacement but will try to
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release match the previous power with
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audiences are both right but see but now
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it's if we're going to start having all
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these asterisks on everything like you
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know that the laferrari it has these two
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different powertrains one of which
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produces the whatever 800-horsepower one
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of experience 163 horsepower but 263
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horsepower is like a maximum and I guess
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I'm sure it's possible that if you're
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driving it pretty hard that you're
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probably not gonna have full battery
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charge after a while and you know you're
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gonna like there's gonna be times where
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the battery will run out and he and then
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the performance will suffer until you
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get enough battery power back and you'll
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be down to only 800 horsepower well but
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still what the one about the total
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living along practically but still like
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there's going to be things like these
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little exceptions to feel like as cars
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move into these complicated technologies
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there's always little exception so like
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what turbos at first and until they got
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very good at least the big the big
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asterisk was lag and I think we've we've
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minimize lag so far and I'm sure there's
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still a way to go and and and you're
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right that it's not eliminated but we
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certainly gotten very good at it but
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like as things get more complicated it
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becomes harder to say oh well it's it
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has X horsepower and even like like we
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discussed dct is a while back and people
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wrote in and informed us that you know
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with the dct it pre-selects the next get
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you're likely to pick but if you pick
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the other one the other direction that
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it didn't pre-select your shift times
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so your shift times taking take an
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unknown amount of time depending on what
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you're doing so it's inconsistent that's
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one of those things really we apply
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technology to make it better most of the
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time but then there's a little asterisk
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that oh well it's going to take longer
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if you do this one condition or you know
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like there's always that there's all
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these little exceptions as we make
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things more complex that overall we are
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getting better off but everything just
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getting more complicated and there and
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we just keep seeing like little tiny
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downsides to that and it's going that's
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going to expand as his technology mature
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now get going back a second about the
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turbo lag thing i found out now that
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I've regularly driven a turbo car and on
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turbo car i have found
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and that it's all about what you're used
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to like yes when I when I got the 1m I'd
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never had a turbo car before so i got
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the 1am and I mean talk about turbo
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boost I mean that thing is insanely over
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boosted like when when you step on it it
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just kicks you in the butt forward I
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mean it is really really strong boost so
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I had it for a few months and then I
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went to that racing day where i got to
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drive the current m3 and m5 and the m3
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is a naturally aspirated v8 as you said
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what I found with the m3 was that
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because I was accustomed to that strong
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turbo engine in the one app the m3 felt
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like it was lacking high-end perfect I
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and performance in the RPM range even
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though that's what everyone's been
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expecting out of cars forever but I
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didn't have that I had the turbo so when
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I went to that it was like you know up
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from the beginning from of the of the
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power range of the RPM range i was like
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okay this is really fast and as I got
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towards the top I was like wait where's
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my boost you know what I expect this to
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be kicking me in the butt right now it's
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not you know so I i think it's it's just
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about whatever you used to and that
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feels normal to you and then when you
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get into the other thing it feels
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underpowered either in the early part of
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the Ranger on the left and later part of
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the range finding what you're used to
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I would agree with that i think that's
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that's a very fair way of looking at it
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and i don't know i mean i don't mind
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turbocharged cars and everything you do
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you guys just said is right now that the
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subaru had a single turbo that I don't
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know a measurement on top my head but it
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did very qualitatively it felt lag year
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than 335 does I those the only
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turbocharged cars driven irregularity
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and 335 doesn't feel much like a
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turbocharged card feels much more like a
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very small v8 which is exactly what BMW
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is aiming for and to that end I I really
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enjoy it now you put me in in John's
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accord with a proper transmission and no
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turbochargers and I'll probably say well
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it isn't as quick as a 335 that man is
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that throttle response good so I don't
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John have you driven many church party
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said your your appearance vulva was is
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that right yeah i mean and that was it
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was an old-style turbo where there's no
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engine and then all of a sudden as an
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engine like that you know there was it
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like that was like a group just
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continuous power
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banned entirely that's that's that's the
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exciting part about turbos is that it's
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not so much if you had smoothly gone up
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to the level of power wouldn't be as
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dramatic as you going and before like it
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that there was tremendous turbo lag but
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when it kicked in yet i don't think it
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was a very strong turbo but like that
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the engine wasn't that powerful but the
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turbo really you know you noticed it and
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that was exciting you know I mean keep
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going from cars that had no power at all
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to one that you know had this big jump
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to power was good at the the same token
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I've always this is the kind of a
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engineering nerd type thing I've always
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respected car companies that produce
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naturally aspirated engines and then
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brag about the horsepower per liter
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right like that was the whole point that
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race like acura had the crown with the
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integra for a while I think and I think
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Ferrari had it with the 355 at one point
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had the highest you know output per for
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leader and that is kind of like a
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gentleman's like a gentleman's race for
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you know we're not going to use
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turbocharger yes we could we could just
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pump air into the engine and get more
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power that's unseemly we're going to see
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how much again you know and that thing
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about Marcos analogy with like lcds and
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how their pack to death try to make them
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I think the appropriate analog for lcds
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and how you know we've changed them a
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lot and and in the car world is the
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internal combustion engine because
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internal combustion engines like look
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you could squirt flammable stuff in here
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and light it and it pushes these things
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that's great and then immediately
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everyone sees okay well that's good and
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all but there are some problems with his
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engine for one thing when you run too
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fast it explodes
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that's bad time to get hot and melt
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together we gotta think of something to
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do about that too and you know it we
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have all these belts and pulleys know
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that they are in great and they kind of
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wear out and when they break bad things
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happen so if we could maybe get some of
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you know it's like we've been hacking
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the internal and just an engine for all
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of its terrible flaws though you know it
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shakes the whole car apart well maybe
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but a different amount of cylinders in
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it that will be better balance but if we
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have the lower number we could bounce
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shafts in and like you know timing
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chains and overhead cams and direct
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injection you know where instead of
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spraying the gas to a tube into this
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thing maybe just squirt right into the
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engine you know all we've just been
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hacking this friggin thing to death
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forever it is that the internal
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combustion engine is the lcds of today
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where they have all this time tables on
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had a transition of pixel from one color
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to another color by passing through
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solid color because that's actually the
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fastest path is pre-programmed in all
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those things all that crazy stuff and
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dynamic back lights on TVs and
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everything that's what we're doing the
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internal combustion engine
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contrast this with the new technology
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which is you know like in the Tesla
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which is still in the stage were like
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hey we can hook up batteries to an
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electric motor and it goes and we
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haven't yet begun to really hack that
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maybe we won't maybe just inherently
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simple technology but for one thing
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transmission goes out the window we just
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hook up the freakin engine to the wheel
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you know we're good to go there all
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these things about torque you know not
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having a low-end torque or anything
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hundred percent of your target that
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available in electric languages
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available with 0 RPM which is very
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different from the other things we have
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to do with with regular you know
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internal combustion engines so just come
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but this combination seems like the
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hacker but I think internal combustion
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engines are really the ultimate hack job
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and we continue to push them and push
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them that's what the load displacement
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herbal about it's like if you would if
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you took one of these load displacement
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turbos from some crappy economy car and
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brought it back in time to like the
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fifties and said we have an engine for
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you and it's ways you know 200 pants and
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it displaces this much and this and this
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is the mileage and is the power they'd
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be like this from a supercar like no to
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toyota echo you know like it's
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unbelievable we managed to ring out of
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the internal combustion engine which is
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why it's got such legs battery density
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fisker I think just left the company
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going anywhere but the design is like
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the Chevy Volt where it's got a gasoline
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engine but the end is not connected to
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the wheels it's just there as a
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generator to charge the batteries and
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awesome and we can start doing you no
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longer range cars and maybe faster
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recharges on the highway but until we
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get there which is probably at least a
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decade off i think these uh I think
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really a very smart compromise
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oh yeah I'd like to see it we should
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have done that before the show if we
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actually prepared but like a graph of
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energy density and batteries because i
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like you said 10 years but they always
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just say ten years like it's right up
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wearing like show me the graph right
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what is how how are our wii advantage is
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crew increasing energy density batteries
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because it helps laptops cell phones
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tablets like this many applications of
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this car is just one of the many
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applications so it seems it's not for
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lack of trying like if someone could do
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a tenfold increase in energy density and
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batteries and you know and maintain like
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a reasonable recharge time like fuel
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cells for the other thing is going to
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save us but still not here right
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graft against like mileage and power
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output for cars because during all this
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these fuel efficiency stuff
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the average power available in any car
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pick any car range you know consumer
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sports or whatever just going up up
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because that's what we like we like more
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power right so we've been making really
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good progress hacking the internal
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combustion engine to not just like
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maintain the status quo with better
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mileage but give us better mileage and
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more power and more torque and better
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torque curves and less noise and
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vibration and harshness and you know
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just improving on all fronts probably
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faster than $PERCENT battery
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technologies have been proving so I'm
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breakthrough in battery technology in my
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lifetime I'm having a hard time seeing
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the internal combustion engine ever get
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complete dethrone the balance of power
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electric how much gas but any technology
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internal brush and keeps getting better
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battery technology and you know carbon
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better fast enough to like quickly swamp
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out of our people like Oh in five years
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all these internal combustion engine
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well no not you mean not less battery
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technology gets much better faster and
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if it does you'll notice because
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suddenly you're your cell phone will
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last all week without charging when that
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engine but you know right now on the
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other limiting factors that may be
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yourself what does go a week without
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charging but it's only because the
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internal components now sip juice like
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crazy but at your car has to carry
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many reasons like it especially you know
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supercharged and everything and that's
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that's a big step but it being it like
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having to stop for 45 minutes or a half
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hour whatever it is I don't want I don't
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want Tesla Sumerian and threatened to
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lose a hundred million dollars of value
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but you know whatever it is half hour 45
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minutes for a full charge
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that's very very different to stop on a
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road trip every 200 miles for that then
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to stop every 500 miles 45 minutes
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anywhere but no matter where you are you
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can find a gas station within a few
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miles of where you are in all likelihood
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be able to stop their refill your car
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mean that's that's awesome and only
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gasoline today can do that and you're
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right it doesn't seem like the
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alternatives are advancing quickly
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enough to be able to replace that
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argument that several people been making
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my father said this to me on numerous
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occasions that we're never going to
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really be able to break off the the oil
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teat if you will until either we really
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do run out of oil or it just gets taxed
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levels in America and then suddenly will
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say oh we must find a way and then
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suddenly someone will have an epiphany
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much cheaper better we want dinosaurs
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because we'll just do what you have to
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like every every time the gas prices are
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getting near another dollar interval
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everyone predict o-once it crosses X
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dollars a gallon and then world never
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gonna c major you know major shifts and
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demand and electric things taking over
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everyone freaks out for a week and then
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that's just the normal level of casque
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costs and and so it doesn't and yeah you
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you know like all this stuff happened to
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the economy but in people's minds
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gasps crossing a certain level doesn't
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really change anything now
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certainly you know to go to European
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was mostly double our prices that
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roughly $PERCENT accurate be paying more
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than eight dollars gown and and that's
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habitat that's a you know that would
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a bigger change than just going to five
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dollars or something and and that might
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change people's minds a little bit more
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severely but I think we can see that
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already we can look at Europe we can see
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places that do have way more expensive
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gas than we do and they have an off
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switch to electric they just buy
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smaller displacement engines they they
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care more about efficiency they buy
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smaller cars you know like that's that's
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what we're going to see and we do see
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that now already you know when as gas
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pricing goes up we are seeing that
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demand shift just very very slowly but
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there's never some big trigger event
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tolerate such at things like the
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downsides of electric cars
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oh there's two things work is energy
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density which you just mentioned and I
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finally did look up a graphing and
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according to this graph we have doubled
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energy density and 10 years from
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basically from the introduction of the
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ev1 to the Tesla so there's progress but
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it's something every year it's doubling
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every 10 years so that's 10 times slower
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than we would expect from you know
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transistor density or whatever and the
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other factors cost
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alright so fine say we could double
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energy density in one year instead of 10
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it still costs 50 grand for you like
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real cost without government you know
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subsidies and rebates and other stuff to
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get you just any car with it with a
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reasonable range with a battery in it
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it's not so good I mean I that you know
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we have all these government subsidies
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that make the model s as cheap as it is
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a hundred grand like the Chevy Volt is
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like 40 grand which is still expensive
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but the Sheffield is not really 40 grand
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it's way more expensive than that now if
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you just if you're paying the full cost
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and so these increases energy and you
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have to come along with an economical
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increases energy density because the
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batteries are so big and you know that
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the the things physics are so movable
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you have to move the people over the
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roads through the air you can't like
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that energy barrier is not going to get
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any lower and yet I mean it was more
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thinking that I mean here's a question
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you know right now like you know as you
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can probably tell by my ranting about
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range and and refill times I wouldn't
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buy something like the Tesla today
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because I frequently take long road
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trips that are you know like 200 miles
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long or 250 miles long
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where it sounds like I would probably
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not make it on a full charge of a Tesla
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or it would be it would be uncomfortably
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close so i probably should probably
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wouldn't want to attempt that anyway so
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like a at the addition question first
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answer how much range do you think
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electric car would need for you to make
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it your only car
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like I think for me that number is
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probably 500 miles and i'm basing that
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on like I would want to be if I was
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taking a multi-day road trip which
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granted i don't really do the most of
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the time but it but if I was taking a
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multi-day road trip i would want to be
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roughly the number of miles i would want
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to drive per day before just gettin
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tired and wanted to save the rest of the
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next day so I think 500 is a decent
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number for that but actually that's my
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real world miles though not 500 like if
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you absolutely stretch everything to the
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max and drive perfectly on a perfectly
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flat road with no wind
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would probably need an advertised
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capacity of more like 700 miles but
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you're basing that on on the idea that
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it takes you a long time to refuel and
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that you can't refuel anywhere that was
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true that those are two things because
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you're not insisting a 500 mile range
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and gas garbage like I just stopped at a
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gas station big deal no big deal right
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a lot of cars over 500 my friendships I
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tell ya something very few very very
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view but yea BMWs are among those cars
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that ridiculous ranges another not
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becoming Muslim yeah I fill my car
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constantly well some of them do I just
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thought was just reading about it was
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just reading about some car with BMW
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with a 500 mile range was a DVD m550d
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which is ridiculously awesome we'll
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never get in the US
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yeah my abilities but anyway like so if
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you have one of these cars like the
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vaults of the Karma we're all right so
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the range is 200 miles or 250 miles even
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or something that reason one else but
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you just felt the gas tank when it runs
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out right in the gas station it's still
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electric are you still get you know 50
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miles per gallon or whatever 60 then
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suddenly you don't your criteria 500 my
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range is not a big deal you're just
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talking about pure-play entirely
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electric cars because you know that
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given current technology it takes
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forever to charge them you can't just
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stop for 10 minutes and you know fill
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the tank again you're going to be there
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for an hour two hours something really
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good like that it's really extending
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your trip and I'm frequently like I'm
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frequently in rural areas where you know
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there you might have to drive five miles
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before you see the first gas station i
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think it's going to be fairly long
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before those places have
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high speed electric charge stations and
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high-speed it's like a half an hour in
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our writings have more it still sucks if
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you do if you weren't planning like you
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know Tesla's Tesla's PR kind of says
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well you know if you if you're stopping
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for a meal i must recharge your car
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rental it'll just take longer to go in
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and have a meal well i don't know about
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you but when I stopped for a road trip
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first of all I like not having to stop
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for a half-hour like if I don't really
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want to me i don't really need a meal
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thank you i just like to fill up please
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with gas that takes five minutes and but
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even even from stopping for a meal
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what they're really what they're really
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telling us to get a full charge need to
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stop for like 45 minutes or you know
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that's that's a bit long for a road trip
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meal for me like when we stopped you
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know even a rest stop and maybe if we go
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to the bathroom and get gas and get food
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maybe it might be 25-30 minutes
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you know like it here and and we're not
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likely to do that do in the middle of
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most road trips you know like most road
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trips are going to be like for us it's
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gonna be like that 200 to 300 mile range
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mostly not it i mean not that it's not
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the reasons you listed but it's it's
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electric cars from up being more popular
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it cost us the problem because so many
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people do not take long trips or have
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two cars and you can have one for the
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you just need to make the cars and much
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less expensive because then people will
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consider them those hey i'm saving all
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why wouldn't advise got what you
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wouldn't buy this is 30 grand that's why
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you wouldn't buy you have fifteen
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that has almost as good mileage not
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quite you know me but if you if if they
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become price-competitive then you know
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people by a little cars to just commute
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back and forth to work my work is like
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five miles away from my house and I you
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know I drive 10 miles a day and you know
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i'm back home i would buy a pure
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electric car to commute to and from work
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in a second if it didn't cost so much
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money you know what I mean oh I mean
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certain type of car whether it's a truck
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they have the car but they still buy the
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car you know kind of aspirationally
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thinking oh I I'm gonna need it for
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things like oh I'll just rent a truck
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for a day when I need one something
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value those options usually aren't
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considered just like a lot of people
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will will buy a car that is way more
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than their quote needs because of some
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something they have in their head that
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they think they'll do or they want to do
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even though they might never get around
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to it that's going to be the big bro
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album after cost becomes less of an
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issue with electric cars that have
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limited ranges are range issues that
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people like well what if i want to drive
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to ohio you know if that's that then
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it's not gonna I'm gonna have to stop
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for hours in the middle like that even
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even if you only drive to ohio once a
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year or even if you haven't ever done
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as an example but if you do you might as
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well we stopped at stake and shake their
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a boring state to drive through that's
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mr. communities room at the very least
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if they can get the cost down you can
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market because you can immediately sell
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that they just know we're gonna be a
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little dinky commuters are you know
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Europe where like you know you go too
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far in your country so it's not like you
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know haha how long a trip can you really
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taking that they have the Eurorail to go
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on the long trip stuff like that there
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really never do on your own people will
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buy them at especially if they're cheap
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all there are many advantages to
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electric cars just as fewer fewer things
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presumably by that point you know no
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more transmission or muffler like you
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could seal the freaking thing up and try
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everything can be you know all sealed up
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it really will be a much more reliable
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much more pleasant thing to use in this
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hypothetical future where it doesn't
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cost 30 grand take to get yourself one
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that that's any good then you've got you
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even half of the market you still don't
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have those people think they're going a
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long trip and stuff like that but that's
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where hybrids can come in we like all
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you've got a gasoline engine charges the
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batteries if if you run a juice just
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filled with gas station you're good to
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go then that works out but I mean I
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those stupid batteries like all these
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things are just all hypothetical because
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right now it's just it's just a
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non-starter and I think there's no
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amount of like a wolf
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government-subsidized these cars it
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would just you know all they would have
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to subsidize them in perpetuity until we
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can get another another 20 years we get
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two more doubling of energy density
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assuming current trends continue because
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this graph looks like a line it is not
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like a curve so it's not like this is
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accelerating or decelerating is just
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slow steady progress
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sorry and internal combustion engines
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keep getting better as well so here's a
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question I mean think about it think
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about this first of all I to question is
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do you do you foresee a future and no
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but do you foresee a future where
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electric cars are cheaper than gas cars
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because they are inherently simpler you
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know like how long do you think it'll be
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before that happens they're cheaper now
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if you don't get any batteries in them
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that's because that's you know that's
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that's what goes on the like those two
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electric motors that drive the wheels
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compared to the number of parts in the
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precision and write for for an internal
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combustion engine
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yeah i mean electric car should be
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cheaper as assuming they can figure out
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the battery thing is everything else
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there's so much stuff you don't need
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this also many parts go away so many
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things don't need to be manufactured
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just so much stuff just disappears and
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it it really like looking at Tesla and
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tests are just shows you like wow
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regular cars filled with a lot of crap
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that you know that you don't strictly
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need all the government looks at you
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wouldn't you do add a lot i mean i i'm
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sure it doesn't come close to closing
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the gap but you do add a lot of weird
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complex parts for for energy saving
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purposes like regenerative breaking
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things and like various tricks for all
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the electrical components in the car to
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save power like you lost like something
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because like solid state state stuff is
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the type of thing that gets you know
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it's cheap it's not like it's not like a
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get out with exhaust gases and heat and
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noise and yeah it's it's way less it
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like no I don't know though because I
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think you're over simple you're
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oversimplifying a bit in the sense that
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simpler but you still have a drivetrain
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you still have suspension you still have
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wheel bearings instead of steering but
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you don't have a drivetrain to speak up
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when the electric motors are hooked up
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to the wheels i guess i can even have a
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alright you mean you still have
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suspension components and stuff like
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that thing where but like and you also
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still have the other thing you know you
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might not think about when you look at
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the tassels they still also have to have
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like on the test blood they have a you
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know that the pump further for the power
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steering which is strange i think it's
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actually a hydraulic pump that the pump
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the gas you know that hydraulic brakes
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they have the the little things going to
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run the compressor for the air
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conditioner right all these are
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electric-powered things right but that
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it's not just the things that drive the
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wheels you need something for like
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doesn't translate in the accessories
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it's all ends up being electric but the
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sheer amount of stuff that isn't there
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is just so tremendous that these other
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things it's kind of weird that they look
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at this little you know they would like
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the size of softballs like those you
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know there's a little air-conditioning
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compressor and there's a little pomp and
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there's a little thing for the fan that
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stuff will continue to coalesce into
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like I presume some little single blob
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in this future where all cars are
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electric or on most cars or electric
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where the really have it nailed down is
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like it's like you know the LCD is the
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internal combustion engine we have it
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said so many years to hack on the
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internal combustion engine this electric
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motor is like the simple version before
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we start the hack on it to death before
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we've even electric motor sit around and
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talk about electric car drive trains
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will figure out all the tricks that you
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have to do to make an electric cars
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drivetrain plus human creature comforts
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iterate on that and I think that
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iteration will look a little more like
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iteration the technology industry then
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metal lubricated parts iteration which
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looks more like mechanical iteration
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this certain barriers to materials and
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cost of manufacturing and physical
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tolerances that are pretty movable and
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its really tough to make good progress
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and those whereas if once we can make
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something electric we can just keep
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drinking that introducing the power and
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you know doing a lot of stuff that's
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very interesting . and if you think
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stands today is an extension of the
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Industrial Revolution and that it's just
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a very very revel it's a machine that's
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to see what the future brings in terms
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of electric cars because now we're
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moving just like you said more towards
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the information age towards transistors
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towards solid-state and and I I feel
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like it's time but just like you guys
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have said either we need much better
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batteries or we need much quicker
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you could argue is saying the same thing
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twice and I just I don't see how we're
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gonna get there anytime soon but you
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know i didn't think i'd be holding a
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computer in my pocket 24 hours or more
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than 24 hours a day but 10 hours a day
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but you don't want it there on time
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what no not when I'm sleeping more
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careful you don't sleep in jeans on a
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pocket with a song now
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no sorry nor do I have a mock turtleneck
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or anything like that
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alright so time for automatic yes but
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are we done with a Ferrari anyone like
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you talking about you're still talking
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laferrari yeah along the engine the only
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thing i think i'd like to add is that it
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its it's one of those things where in
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retrospect it seems inevitable but it's
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surprising to me that we're just now
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looking at the the drivetrains that we
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have available to us in saying who you
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why don't we put these together and in
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of the ferrari laferrari cr0 to protect
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me exactly is the first thing that there
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batteries are always the problem like we
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battery's not be inside the car maybe we
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that's the problem is don't want the
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density of batteries in the past decade
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that BMW i8 is also doing it but we are
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yeah it's not like I mean if this cars
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is basically you know it's me it's an
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804 horsepower v12 that revs to 9,000
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250 rpm which is insane and then just a
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little bit of electricity that just a
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batteries as small as we possibly can
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regenerative thing here you go like and
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tail off it very high rpm barely but it
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gas engine has a peak later on and then
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slowly starts to an output right just uh
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what you think is normal between turbo
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once people get used to electric cars
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all-electric car
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I to go from that to a gas engine car
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the gas engine car must just feel
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incredibly clumsy and ancient by
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comparison and I'm not feeling all that
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torque that you have available with
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electric you know by having this weird
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complicated engine that's a no vibrating
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and loud relatively speaking and you
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know that it's got to just feel like I
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don't like it'd be like riding this bike
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riding like a rail cart that's stuck
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behind a steam engine for that today
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like it would be like using a CRT
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monitor i think that's the closest one
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because like once we cross that divide
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no one wants to go back to CRT is a good
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that curves thing with the staticky
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stuff and the big giant wait that's not
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so much space remember divergence for
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convergence whatever it was that would
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make the pixels misalign there three
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colors of sweet pc monitors go here we
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go here we go down that don't go down
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that rabbit hole
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are we done with the ferrari laferrari
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well I don't really think there's one on
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douchey way to say that you can either
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just if you see dollar laferrari well
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that's just come on that sounds terrible
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you can't I couldn't say that in a
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conversation i could say i got you
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saying we start with that ugly is it
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uglier than the ends are not uglier than
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the ends up not absolutely this is just
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not the kind of car I would ever buy so
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I i really can't judge it I mean it
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looks it almost looks to me like a like
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a cartoon car like I just this is this
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has never entered my world of things I
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would ever consider driving around it
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I don't think it looks like a cartoon
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because if you look at that was that the
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Lamborghini something with a V video or
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something like that's terrible that
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looks like a cartoon car ferrari I I
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feel like has been has the best styling
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among the top tier supercars because
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they make their cars interesting and not
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but they don't like lozenges they don't
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look like a smooth stone polished in a
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river like they have personality but
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they don't look like something that is
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six-year-old withdraw without fins and
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wings and how much of the stuff sticking
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out of it so well I barely remember
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something an eight-year-old right LOL no
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i think i think this there is a
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sophistication to this i think this
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particular one is much much more
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successful incarnation of this sort of
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style of car than the Enzo was the Enzo
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had some awkward bits on it
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all these cars are basically like a
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carbon fibre tub bolted to an engine
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with suspension on it and then you have
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to figure it out put a car body over it
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so kind of like an f1 car like styling
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is not they have limited freedom and
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styling with this car because his car is
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not about just looking beautiful as
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their top and performance car and if you
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have to compromise between styling
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performance and this this is the car
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ferrari says actually no we got a whole
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blind performances the whole . this car
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exist and across the bazillion dollars
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so it better be fast but i think they do
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a much better job with the styling than
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their competitors including the McLaren
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p1 which I think was like a a giant fish
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or snail or some other kind of ugly
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thing I still think the other Ferraris
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are better looking than this but there
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they can be because they can afford to
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be because they don't have to be so
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uncompromising about performance but I i
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give this following a pretty big thumbs
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up especially after the dark times of
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the endzone the f50 which were not
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i mean i-i think it looks good but yeah
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I just it i can't really judge was not
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for me i got nothing for me lately like
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like learning a car like i can look at a
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really nice-looking car but if I if I
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later learn that that like the inside is
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kind of like the interior is kind of
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crappy or it doesn't ride very well or
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it's just like really impractical that
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it's kinda like like finding out that
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are really attractive person is like
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really crazy or stupid or mean it's like
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you just like like I can't I can't enjoy
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looking at cars like this or looking at
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cars that I that I learn our are bad and
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some other way even if they look good
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I lose the ability to enjoy that once
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once I start thinking about like
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aspirationally what I want to own this
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you know for all these different reasons
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so I i kinda can enjoy it
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so if you were to in the comedy of what
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I'm about to say is i'm asking the
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future / owner of an m5 but Marco money
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uh-huh what supercar do you think you
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would have the m5 it could be for
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exactly the reason i got an--oh okay
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seriously car i thought so he said let's
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assume you have infinite money which
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means you already have like a car for
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the family car and you have the car for
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every day trips and now you have this
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infinity pool of money like what about a
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car for the days when I just want to go
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to the track or just go out on the road
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and just fool around no one else is
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gonna drive this car could have one seat
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for all you know this is the sole
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purpose card its own separate house that
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lives in with a staff that takes care of
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right next to your house . here intact
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your eyes that doesn't anyway and when
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you want you just walk up and show for
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brings it out for you and you're getting
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what car is that car
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honestly I don't know I've never thought
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about that because well first of all in
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many cases I think the m5 would still be
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uh I would but but I just I just think I
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i don't know like I i don't i don't
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fantasize about getting into some other
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kind of like super high-end cars why
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I've never even considered my options
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even our yeah i think it like i can
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imagine you being that person who would
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like to figure out what it is like now
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you've got this infinite money and you
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got nothing to do with your time except
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for you know figure out your stable cars
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here like I want the car that I'm just
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going to go and blaster and roads and
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have fun with you might end up with
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something like an Ariel Atom because you
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may drive that and say whoo-whoo that's
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the biggest blast gets insanely fast and
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he opens a new sensation you don't get
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for something else that is super car
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like performance is also ugly as sin you
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know maybe that's not a factor for you
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in when purchasing this type of car
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yeah I don't know I I just like I think
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one of the reasons why i like the m5 so
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much is because it is all those things
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to me like I can I can have my key to me
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i can have all of those like for me it
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does although supercar roles that I want
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you know in my fantasy world but it's
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also a practical everyday car and it's
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comfortable and has air conditioning and
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a good radio like it has hot those
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things like it it that's why I like it
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so much and i know what I've always
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liked to store thousands of things it
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is much more than some you sure yet
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already car it's much slower than all
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these other supercars were talking about
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in ways that you would actually notice
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not like it's a tenth of a second slower
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things are under two seconds to 60 you
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would notice that difference it's like
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twice as fast practically but we're not
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be going that I could even I mean I I
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don't even I can't even use the m5
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capacity where where I live and where I
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Drive even if i was going to a track i
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would like the m5 is so good on the
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track it's so far beyond my abilities as
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a driver to even take advantage of that
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power that I feel like if I had
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something even more powerful the only
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reason the only way I would be able to
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really take advantage of it is if I
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became a full-time track driver and got
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really good head and down 0-2
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what about it obviously on a track i
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think you would prefer something not
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like a miata maybe like that the-the-the
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like a miata maybe like that the-the-the
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rsr no subaru brz not because it would
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be faster on the track but because like
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if we gave you a choice like you had to
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laugh this track in your iphone 5 and
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then they gave you a much lighter weight
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car that is just you know better suited
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to the track even if you went around the
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track slower because they don't have as
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much power i think you would have more
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fun because it's like better suited to
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the track is definitely that's what this
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section of your your stable cars is for
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is not necessarily to make a mean and
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that's why i said Ariel Atom you know it
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is really fast it could be something
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that is slower than your other car but
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it's just more fun because it's like an
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amusement-park ride and it feels
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different when you're not swinging 4,000
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pounds around corners when you're
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swinging half of that around corners
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it just feels different and you don't
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even feel faster while not being faster
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honestly i think i think a something
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like the Tesla Roadster might even be
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the better choice for something like
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like they make that anymore but yeah I
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can if they didn't like I think you
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would like the model s you should
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probably actually take a test drive that
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because the quality wanted to find out
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how much for a test drive oh that's what
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i said no thanks
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the experience of being in that car like
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i don't think it'll convince you to buy
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one but it is a different enough
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experience from being a regular gas car
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and it is pretty high-end be feeling shy
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in that car be with the low-end torque
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and the silence and the just the novelty
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of it is a different experience that you
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give you a preview of what what cars
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maybe like sometimes it isn't yet i
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would love to ride in a Model S I just
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haven't had the chance yet but uh me and
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grant i haven't tried that hard like I
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was that the one store in the mall by me
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and they want 25 grand so I said no
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thanks but you know I'm sure I could I
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could email them and say hey I'm a car
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podcaster hey maybe you can give me a
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free press ride or a loner for a weekend
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and drove behind me on my way home today
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is that there are three miles
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yeah i know i do still along behind me i
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was getting nervous because like he was
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coming up on me pretty fast like maybe
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he doesn't know how to drive this thing
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epic it doesn't look like i said once i
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will let you drive it you can drive it
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almost entirely with the right foot
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where instead of hitting the brake you
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just let off the gas and it's very well
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enough Breaking so you can get into a
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mode where you're just driving like a
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golf cart but no breaks you know just
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letting up do you think we're gonna have
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a lot of rear-ending well I he was
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coming up on me really fast like now you
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I have to use the breaker use the brake
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like I get paranoid about people coming
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up on me too fast and it was an older
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guy too and I'm you know they just
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slamming imagine stop in time and he
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pulled into I believe you pulled into
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whole foods so there you go that is not
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a surprise at all . and i say that as a
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fan of high-end cars and a whole foods
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customer but that is not a surprising
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yeah so you're not going to nail down
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what kind of car you would have to say
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m5 what about you Casey absolutely
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unequivocally without a shadow of a
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doubt I would choose the wrong car which
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is an Aston Martin not really any flavor
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probably dds that's that's so wrong but
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i can see the the the value system using
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the pic that is is at the other extreme
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from Marco but I'm i think I'm kind of
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in the middle where you you are you want
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to own something beautiful yes and that
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it weighs heavily in your choice of what
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car you're getting because it's not all
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if it will help out how the car
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performed you were not going to consider
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Mars right right now yeah you get
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something on a hammond likes i would
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like the Pagani yeah he always liked the
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ugly weirdo performance Scott yeah it
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yeah everybody acting as Martin he wants
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it's like it's like a piece of art or
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sculpture it's like it because you want
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to own a beautiful thing
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yeah i definitely will say that like the
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Aston Martin that's one of the only like
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super high-end cars looked at and and
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just like wanted just from a like I've
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wanted in a physical way it's not like i
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like i wanted to do bad things to the
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muffler but like you know like you you
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can look at that you can say that is a
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beautiful obviously I I totally get that
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although when I went to go pick up the
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specialty dealer they had an estimate on
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the show floor it was like an exotic car
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dealer and I got to sit in it and it was
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the first never been in one and I and I
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was kind of disappointed I was like you
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know this is nice and everything but
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first of all you SAT really low to the
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ground which I discussed last episode I
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don't really like and it was just it
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just sitting in it wasn't that thrilling
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it wasn't really a car / forward Carl so
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it has to two strikes against it but
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yeah it i mean like i said in every way
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it is completely wrong except that in my
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personal opinion it is the most
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beautiful car I've ever seen in my life
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I mean it's just was stunningly pretty
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and I although I would you could
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very legitimately argue that the subaru
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was not terribly pretty you could argue
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that the three that the 335i actually
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think it's pretty but you could argue it
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isn't i think my 300zx still looks semi
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modern and nobody will agree with me but
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i think that that's true collaboration
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that the big but I is the one that has
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the big everything because I think
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everybody's very survival is very
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yeah very curvy I still find it to be
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beautiful and it had to be honest as a
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very similar lines to an Aston Martin
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not what that's a terrible comparison
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but to my weird I it has some more lines
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to an Aston Martin and so I think the
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acid is just an unbelievably just
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painfully beautiful car in and even
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though it's not as fast as it probably
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should or could be it probably will
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never work properly and I won't say
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that's because it's British but it
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nonetheless it's just it i think it
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would be unbelievably fun I'd love one
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that's the kind of car like we were
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before we had the baby we were
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discussing possibly taking like a
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driving vacation after California too
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and we we would rent a a supercar of
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some kind and and drive along the
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California coastline on whatever road
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that is pacific coast highway that
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yeah and we listen to this and and
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there's a company after that will rent
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you asked Martin but only automatic and
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and that's why end and we eventually we
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cancel the whole trip because I just
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wish we could schedule it goes with
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practicalities in life but that's like I
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would gladly if I was like going on a
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trip and going to rent something exotic
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I i think i would still pick an ass and
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I would hope if I could get a stick but
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i would at least probably still pick it
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anyway or i would get a Ferrari honestly
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on especially cuz a lot of them you can
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get a lot of the Old Forest sticks but
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when you looked into Gotham did we got
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ya and i was one of the companies and
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they also got things automatically think
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right yeah I was unfortunately nobody
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can drive stick right and he would
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destroy the clutch of this Ferrari
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everytime directed it exactly right so
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John what would you pick i know the
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answer some sort of the pony but horsey
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if you will but would it be the ferrari
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laferrari for specific
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now some my car my like my fantasy car
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that I'd I i own it through by proxy
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through a through force of will is
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always the and now it has been the
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middle-of-the-road mid-engine ferrari so
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it was 348 then it was 355 then it was
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360 that was the 430 now it's the 458
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that's my car at as ferrari keeps
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upgrading at each time they produce a
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new version i have to decide am I going
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to continue saying this is my car this
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line of cars or have they made it too
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ugly for me or bad in some way so right
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now would be it would be the 458 that
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said if I had to choose between the 415
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laferrari it might be a difficult choice
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because you just said the laferrari yeah
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i know that they simply say it because
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the the like the f50 and the Enzo were
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just so and even have 40 for that matter
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were just so objectionable to be
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smelling whys and the reason i picked
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for our instead of Lamborghini or any
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other supercars that may be faster is
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because i really like Ferrari styling I
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think that they have they've struck the
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right balance between something that
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looks beautiful in something looks
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functional and something that's a little
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bit cool looking and I and they're
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they're starting has been evolving like
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from that you know from the Testarossa
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348 with the big you know stripes on the
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side you know that their evolution they
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have lost me yet they haven't gone into
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a bangle phase you know they haven't
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they haven't really just gone off the
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rails with the styling and that's really
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a big part of why I want to listen not
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just because it's fast and mechanical
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Marvel but because it's fast and
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mechanical Marvel and beautiful kind of
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like that we you know like Apple
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hardware you again and talk about the
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mac pro briefly you know i like the idea
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that something is incredibly powerful
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and sophisticated and also beautiful
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right like the dual g5 is a good example
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that we're stuck at 500 megahertz
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forever with incredibly slow front side
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bus and finally make a machine that's
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going to break out of it and it was
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beautiful inside and out that was like
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the Ferrari of max for a brief moment in
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time right up so that's why would
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definitely be 4i probably 458 it
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realistically speaking of money was an
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infinite someone gave me laferrari i
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would sell it get a 458 and like
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no some sort of sedan and the 458 I mean
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it is very pretty without without
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question it is a very very pretty car so
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i can . to be honest your answer is the
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right answer but when you have this kind
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of question and you answer from the
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harder the gutter the groin or whatever
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I would still stick in my Aston and i
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would probably also entirely as not as
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hard as I said that a some reason like
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listings for high-end apartments in like
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a note i want or whatever some some
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agency where you were there lots of new
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rich people or maybe with Russia even
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and they will sell you high-rise
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apartments where you drive your car and
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your car goes open an elevator and it
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comes up to your apartment with you and
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it's it as a glass wall between the rest
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of your apartment and the place where
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your car is so you can look at all the
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crap that's that is a feature something
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because what you know half of the reason
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i will be buying any of these cars is
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because they're beautiful to look at and
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I would like literally want to have it
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not in my house but basically so when I
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wake up in the morning I could eat
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breakfast maybe a big glass wall on my
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to ferrari sitting there that that is a
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lifestyle improvement as far as I'm
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concerned every night with although
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hopefully would come with detailing
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service also i mean i think it was
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something right people keep it clean the
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whole look like that seems that seems
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silly but that is half the reason I
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think a lot of people buy these cars
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because they are because the reason you
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know Casey's getting the ask them which
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isn't is not a great car you know
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because it's beautiful to look at him
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looking at beautiful things makes you
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yeah although and that's my problem is
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usually you don't spend a whole lot of
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time looking at the outside of your own
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car right and now you have occasion to
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now truly in my perfect world I wake up
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one morning I stretch and I look over at
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aaron i'm extremely excited to wake up
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next to hers I am every day and then I
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look past Aaron and there's my Aston
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just sitting there waiting both ladies
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and the same bed
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it's crowded it's crowded but we make it
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give me a second i'm going to go get
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something I'm gonna refill my drink here
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and then we can do ATP you guys good
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that's good i'm so what does Marco
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drinking place your bets
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haha he's got fizzy water don't kid
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fizzy water I think so guess what i'm
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drinking i don't know i don't even know
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what you prefer are you a coffee person
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usually so i'm drinking you're supposed
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to guess I you seem like the type that
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would enjoy tea but i'm gonna guess i'm
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gonna guess you're having no with me
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I'm gonna get some sort of bubbly
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beverage some sort of soda remarkable
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know when he comes back
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yeah yeah I was trying to quit case you
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know what I was drinking using what do
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you think marcos drinking so you went
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off to refill your drink
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what do you think I said fizzy water he
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has a beer at night but he's not gonna
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refill that so I thought it was coffee
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I got nothing that's that's my guess was
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here yeah good for you
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he does his beer tonight just just be
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one you usually it is just one but i
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decided to try to tonight one free
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suncast alright well now I gotta go get
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some more maker go forward to killing me
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that and I i asked Casey what do you
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think i'm drinking yeah I gotta hear
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their health without a faith that Marcos
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gonna know what your every answer this
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run downstairs man i would guess just
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just knowing you i would guess you're
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drinking water correct you should not
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even think about how do not fully
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regulated touring tap water not bottled
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honda civic of drinks haha i drink water
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all day long that's what I drink I don't
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have I don't have coffee
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I don't drink alcohol not for any
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particular reason I just don't like it
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at water all day right speaking of let's
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go get some makers of here enjoy like my
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exciting thing that I have when I go out
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to eat as i have soda 1 you know so once
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every month and a half i have a1
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extremely watered-down sprite from a
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restaurant that's really terrible now
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it's not water is great i recently
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discovered that you can you can flavor
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soda stream water using cocktail bitters
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so you can so now I got nothing you got
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your infinite supply of those from your
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yes so now i have i can make myself lime
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orange or even grapefruits elser it's
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ok i just got back murder board a lime
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is especially the best
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