12: Vomit Ruins Everything


  big week huge week we didn't record it [TS]

  was before we got her it was a huge week [TS]

  for most of the neutral hosts for the [TS]

  majority oh man at and we went on a [TS]

  vacation together and did not kill each [TS]

  other [TS]

  no this is good this was this is for [TS]

  both you and TIFF and I was our first [TS]

  couples vacation not only with each [TS]

  other but in general and I i think we [TS]

  survived and I know Aaron and I had [TS]

  really gosh darn good time and that and [TS]

  so I hope hope with the same can be said [TS]

  for you guys although I think we're [TS]

  about to find out the same can be said [TS]

  for you regardless of whether or not we [TS]

  were total turds [TS]

  so well in fact my wife as it has [TS]

  suggested that she misses you guys [TS]

  during breakfast every morning now see [TS]

  same thing you know we at least like you [TS]

  during breakfast now that was it though [TS]

  that was that was the only part every [TS]

  other time totally sucked i feel like i [TS]

  should have come just to show you what [TS]

  it would be like traveling with someone [TS]

  who does not make your time more fun [TS]

  you'll get a bad impression of you know [TS]

  like what it's like to all this is great [TS]

  couples vacations be going this all the [TS]

  time and you would have been in the [TS]

  middle seat which would have been even [TS]

  more funny because you wouldn't [TS]

  interpret that i would say for i lifted [TS]

  a tweet about this but it would have [TS]

  been so much more for me I can't be in I [TS]

  get motion sick very easily i can't be [TS]

  in a car while you're racing around like [TS]

  a maniac and well both of our lives both [TS]

  of our wives claim the same problem and [TS]

  yet it was a problem for neither of them [TS]

  when they were in the room where they [TS]

  were in the back seat belt if said that [TS]

  she was almost puked tweeting something [TS]

  once from the Nurburgring that's what [TS]

  I'm saying halloween everything ahead of [TS]

  ourselves that we get ahead of ourselves [TS]

  alright vomit ruins everything [TS]

  title I i tend to a groupie [TS]

  instead you've got a kid now you know [TS]

  then [TS]

  well okay so we should probably explain [TS]

  what what the heck we did and I don't [TS]

  know if we if we adequately preface this [TS]

  in previous episodes but we did we did [TS]

  previously talked about how I had chosen [TS]

  for my next car after much deliberation [TS]

  chosen to go all out and be totally [TS]

  ridiculous and get my dream car [TS]

  the m5 and one of the reasons i was able [TS]

  to do this is because of bmw's european [TS]

  delivery discount and what most people I [TS]

  i wish i had known about this so so [TS]

  there's two things that you can do to [TS]

  save money on a new BMW besides just [TS]

  good negotiation which you should also [TS]

  be doing one of them which i still [TS]

  couldn't take advantage of is if you [TS]

  join the BMW car club of america it what [TS]

  Casey what is it costs like the 30 40 [TS]

  bucks it was 48 I think something like [TS]

  that it was between 1450 so they have a [TS]

  rebate program through BMW and like BMW [TS]

  supports this car club of fans It's in a [TS]

  few little endorsement in different ways [TS]

  if you are a member of this thing for at [TS]

  least a year before you take delivery of [TS]

  a new BMW the police or to buy they will [TS]

  give you a credit and in the amount of [TS]

  the credit depends on which model you [TS]

  buy but like a 3-series credits $500 [TS]

  5-series I think it's a thousand dollars [TS]

  so if you plan to buy a BMW at least one [TS]

  year from now you should really go join [TS]

  the BMW CCA you'll get a cool magazine [TS]

  every month etc so and then because you [TS]

  know you paid forty bucks and then you [TS]

  say like five hundred dollars when you [TS]

  buy the car so that's one way to save [TS]

  the other way to save is if you do [TS]

  european delivery on the higher-priced [TS]

  models you end up it ends up being such [TS]

  a savings that actually can pay for the [TS]

  trip and and so and and you know even if [TS]

  not you still get a very heavily [TS]

  discounted vacation out of it so [TS]

  basically european delivery shaves off [TS]

  about seven percent off the cost of the [TS]

  car if you negotiated equally with how [TS]

  you would have negotiated a regular [TS]

  purchase so you can go online you can [TS]

  find what the invoice prices are [TS]

  throughout the NW forms and everything [TS]

  you can find european delivery invoice [TS]

  prices regular voice prices and you can [TS]

  see the difference is usually about 7% [TS]

  and and a common myth is that this is [TS]

  because when the car is imported then [TS]

  it's used and instead of new and then [TS]

  the tariffs different from what I've [TS]

  around various wiki's that is actually a [TS]

  myth and the actual difference in tariff [TS]

  is negligible and that it's mainly [TS]

  cheaper because you're bypassing a lot [TS]

  of the dealer network anyway so european [TS]

  delivery is basically you fly over to [TS]

  the main factory / office / showroom [TS]

  world thing in munich germany and you [TS]

  pick up your car in Munich you drive it [TS]

  to any of a number of different ports or [TS]

  you can drive it right back into munich [TS]

  or just leave it there and and then they [TS]

  put on a boat for you and ship it back [TS]

  to the US and then you get your car like [TS]

  you know month and a half two months [TS]

  later so by doing that I saved seven [TS]

  percent which is and so I got a really [TS]

  great deal on this so i decided let's go [TS]

  all out and get the ridiculous m5 and so [TS]

  I was joking with casey about bringing [TS]

  him and his wife along on this trip [TS]

  probably for what two years something [TS]

  like that well we actually did it and it [TS]

  turned out great as you said we didn't [TS]

  kill each other in fact we still like [TS]

  each other quite a lot as far as i know [TS]

  and you [TS]

  yeah it was awesome so this this episode [TS]

  of neutral which we've we've declared to [TS]

  be the final episode at least for now [TS]

  possibly ever we don't know yet you know [TS]

  maybe there might be a season to someday [TS]

  but you know probably not no no there's [TS]

  no guarantees of that as I fair to say i [TS]

  think that's fair John yep so this might [TS]

  be the final episode at least the final [TS]

  one for a while and we decided this [TS]

  would be a great ender 22 basically [TS]

  recap this trip and and what it's like [TS]

  to take a european delivery vacation and [TS]

  and how the m5 is in various situations [TS]

  and and just what this was like and [TS]

  casey and i both profusely apologized to [TS]

  John in advance for how wonderful this [TS]

  is going to be for him it's a time I [TS]

  don't like to travel though so it's I [TS]

  every time you talk about travel I just [TS]

  think about how miserable I would be [TS]

  doing it but it would be so great to be [TS]

  there listening to you be miserable now [TS]

  you have you think that now [TS]

  but saying no I like the car though I [TS]

  count for something oh you don't even [TS]

  know John no didn't even know I'd like [TS]

  the color though black yeah what you've [TS]

  gotten is an attractive car I wouldn't [TS]

  affect black for it but you picked white [TS]

  I'd like kind of like that blue yeah [TS]

  yeah like that the one is another press [TS]

  shots that ya later tonight i don't i [TS]

  don't mind that I don't know if I would [TS]

  get in that color but i like that i [TS]

  think this is a very attractive car [TS]

  there's no reason to hide so having [TS]

  having seen having seen most of the [TS]

  colors available in person at some point [TS]

  for various things I i think the blue [TS]

  and the orange that comes in are [TS]

  actually tied for my favorite that arms [TS]

  are really well it yeah I like the black [TS]

  better than that it the orange looks [TS]

  really nice in person because it looks [TS]

  almost read and and so it's just a [TS]

  little bit towards orange you know from [TS]

  red and it's actually it again in person [TS]

  it's a very very nice color i would say [TS]

  it's just as good as that blue and if I [TS]

  were more of a showy flashy person I [TS]

  would have gotten one of those colors [TS]

  but i'm not and so I got it in black and [TS]

  i happen to like black a lot you know [TS]

  iíve mentioned in the past how I don't [TS]

  think I could ever really drive around [TS]

  like a Porsche or Lamborghini or [TS]

  anything crazy like that you know even [TS]

  if money were no object just because i [TS]

  don't i don't want to be that [TS]

  conspicuous I don't think they'll let [TS]

  you buy it if you say porsche to so haha [TS]

  sorry everyone can please email john the [TS]

  proper pronunciation of that so you know [TS]

  I I don't like big flashy cars i like [TS]

  nice cars that happen to be really fast [TS]

  but you know to to the casual observer [TS]

  it looks like every other nice car like [TS]

  not not like a crazy sports car the [TS]

  casual observer is going to notice those [TS]

  wheels that's all I'm saying maybe well [TS]

  you know a lot of cars now getting [TS]

  bigger sport your wheels even even [TS]

  pretty far down market so you know i [TS]

  don't i don't know i think it's [TS]

  definitely still stand out I hadn't [TS]

  noticed the wheels that much until you [TS]

  started posting pictures of yours and my [TS]

  co well now now I'll know if I cm3 be [TS]

  there in five because those jump out at [TS]

  me [TS]

  well you know it's even what's even [TS]

  crazier so it is still quite wintry over [TS]

  in Germany and and because they require [TS]

  snow tires in certain conditions through [TS]

  april fifteenth [TS]

  we had to vent snow tires for this and [TS]

  there's a great program that BMW [TS]

  officially authorizes and works with run [TS]

  by like one guy who just happens to love [TS]

  doing this stuff and from what I gather [TS]

  he doesn't really make much money on it [TS]

  but he just he does snow tire rental for [TS]

  European deliveries for cars that don't [TS]

  come with all-season tires so which is [TS]

  all take all the end models and some of [TS]

  them support packages on regular cars so [TS]

  anyway so what you saw is actually the [TS]

  snow tires and those who are only I [TS]

  believe 19-inch rims [TS]

  that's right and and the ones i'm the [TS]

  the regular summer tires our twenties [TS]

  and so the regular ones will be and [TS]

  there are similar design but but 2719 so [TS]

  they're even more outrageous even bigger [TS]

  even even more obvious and supported to [TS]

  everyone except past Marco as i [TS]

  mentioned in in previous shows i would [TS]

  never noticed wheels before about six [TS]

  months ago and the funny thing is when [TS]

  there was a time where we needed to know [TS]

  how fast we could go on the snow tires [TS]

  and we'll get to that in a minute [TS]

  and so I looked at the snow tires and [TS]

  they were freaking Pirellis they were [TS]

  pirelli snow tires and at that to me two [TS]

  strikes me saying they're 19-inch [TS]

  pirelli snow tires that that's absurd in [TS]

  every possible way [TS]

  why is that a curiosity because I'm I'm [TS]

  not enough of a tired to know why don't [TS]

  worry I'm not a big-tire nerd but [TS]

  probably is generally speaking are not [TS]

  cheap tires and and so here it is that [TS]

  you're not getting some like falken snow [TS]

  tire or something like that you know [TS]

  some crap brand its Pirellis noted John [TS]

  doesn't uh doesn't for use Pirellis [TS]

  water making that up but the competition [TS]

  among tire manufacturers to get like the [TS]

  you know the prestige appointments I i [TS]

  get the impression that each round for [TS]

  each new car each sort of prestige [TS]

  carmaker they just sick the tire makers [TS]

  against each other and so I'm always [TS]

  surprised when you know like something [TS]

  like Goodyear ends up on like some [TS]

  supercar it's like they they just beat [TS]

  everybody out for whatever they're [TS]

  willing to do but but yet pirelli has [TS]

  been heavily featured in Italian [TS]

  performance cars and many performance [TS]

  cars for many years like it's got a [TS]

  reputation as a performance brand you [TS]

  think you're saying do you say Italian [TS]

  I did not you sure I'm pretty darn sure [TS]

  alright sorry continue I think you did [TS]

  i'm going to playback Italian [TS]

  performance cars and italian performance [TS]

  cars at a time a time I i mean if i did [TS]

  it was my mouth betraying me anyway yeah [TS]

  so they have a reputation for making [TS]

  performance tires and so when you think [TS]

  about are gonna put on the winter tires [TS]

  you think you're going to get a brand [TS]

  that does not have that receptor [TS]

  reputation of examine that makes all [TS]

  season tires are just like every man [TS]

  tires and like really what's the point [TS]

  of paralysis whole thing is a [TS]

  high-performance high-speed great grip [TS]

  it's like won't be in the winter I don't [TS]

  want to really be going that fast and i [TS]

  want that i want two different [TS]

  performance characteristics in terms of [TS]

  gripping onto snow and yeah i dunno they [TS]

  do make winter tires because [TS]

  occasionally I see them advertised or [TS]

  mentioned in car magazines and they're [TS]

  not cheap i mean for reference [TS]

  I i have here what BMW charges for the [TS]

  the rim entire sets and this is for for [TS]

  both for all four wheels a room entire [TS]

  set for this is nice big 19 inch rim and [TS]

  they're probably w 240 so 20 s tues [TS]

  total price is like 3200 those are [TS]

  staggered right so the rears are bigger [TS]

  than the front so I didn't even look [TS]

  calm I no actually I don't [TS]

  I don't believe so many so check you [TS]

  know know that there they are square [TS]

  normally the in on summer tires the car [TS]

  is staggered the readers of a wider but [TS]

  the the winter tires r square anyway so [TS]

  I i forgot we were even more in the [TS]

  store anyway we were in Germany driving [TS]

  fast so anyway the thing that that's [TS]

  cracks me up about this trip is that so [TS]

  Aaron and I drove from Richmond Virginia [TS]

  up to marketing tips house because we [TS]

  wanted to make sure that we're all going [TS]

  to be on the same transatlantic flight [TS]

  so if somebody gets doomed we're all [TS]

  doomed and we were going to fly up to [TS]

  JFK and just meet you guys in the [TS]

  airport but as it turns out it was about [TS]

  the same money for the two of us to go [TS]

  to JFK by plane as it was for one of us [TS]

  to go to Munich biplane and so we were [TS]

  like you know that the heck with it will [TS]

  just drive up [TS]

  well we arrived there in in I pack [TS]

  terribly and aaron is a lady so by [TS]

  definition she tends to pack a lot and I [TS]

  apparently milady as well email Marco so [TS]

  anyway so mark when I look at all of our [TS]

  luggage and realize this could be an [TS]

  issue and so what do to nerds do when [TS]

  they are posed with this sort of problem [TS]

  and they don't want to get some munich [TS]

  and realize oh crap we can't fit all the [TS]

  John wait John what would you have done [TS]

  this situation that's a good question [TS]

  thank you you might have too much [TS]

  luggage and you don't really know how [TS]

  much the car will hold when you get [TS]

  there what do you do I would have [TS]

  thought of this before packing i don't [TS]

  think i would be in a situation where I [TS]

  had completed packing and then started [TS]

  looking at this stuff and five hey wait [TS]

  a second we have to fit all this in the [TS]

  car and i would plan ahead i can still [TS]

  light [TS]

  Aaron and I kind of did that picky but [TS]

  carry on market with what you and I [TS]

  concluded [TS]

  well we were you know for adults with [TS]

  four large square suitcases and we know [TS]

  the cars don't have infinite space and [TS]

  that would have been fairly [TS]

  uncomfortable for whoever was sitting in [TS]

  the back seat at the time which turned [TS]

  out to be a senior most of the time or [TS]

  almost all the time actually sorry but [TS]

  we would do wouldn't feel uncomfortable [TS]

  be sitting with somebody's giant [TS]

  rectangular suitcase in the back seat [TS]

  with you so we decided well we know that [TS]

  the car and picking up is a 5-series [TS]

  let's just go to a dealer with all of [TS]

  our luggage and put it in the trunk of a [TS]

  5-series and see if it's i would not [TS]

  have done that we did when he certainly [TS]

  did and the worst part is this is this [TS]

  is kind of to build on what you were [TS]

  saying John is that Aaron and I packed [TS]

  one suitcase each but they were [TS]

  reasonably large I don't remember a [TS]

  number off the top of my head but we [TS]

  knew enough to realize this could end up [TS]

  badly and so what we ended up doing was [TS]

  putting in the back of our car to [TS]

  smaller suitcases so if if desperation [TS]

  came we could swap the two small guys [TS]

  for one big guy [TS]

  thus leaving us with one large suitcase [TS]

  and two smaller suitcases instead of two [TS]

  large suitcases and she was not adjusted [TS]

  duffel bags that's what i would suggest [TS]

  it because they're squishing you can [TS]

  fill more of the trunk volume I did [TS]

  suggest that however you know at tate [TS]

  like packing a duffel bag it's like who [TS]

  who's gonna be the one to pack a duffel [TS]

  bag you know nobody wanted [TS]

  you can get like duffel bags that have [TS]

  like a kind of a stiffer bottom where [TS]

  your clothes won't be entirely it's not [TS]

  like you're just taking us not like a [TS]

  laundry bag we just jam your clothes in [TS]

  there can be done that I would have [TS]

  required somebody buying a whole new [TS]

  luggage just for the joy that you don't [TS]

  have either one of you guys have I have [TS]

  some beautiful bags [TS]

  I don't have sturdy ones i have some [TS]

  like college duffel bag somewhere right [TS]

  everybody has that but yeah so we ended [TS]

  up going to the BMW dealer this was [TS]

  friday afternoon Saturday morning [TS]

  Saturday morning we end up going to the [TS]

  local BMW dealer in going to then they [TS]

  actually had an m5 in the showroom in [TS]

  white one a white one I was very pleased [TS]

  but I and it's terrible it shut up [TS]

  sofas attendants we spent a solid half [TS]

  an hour playing tetris in the trunk and [TS]

  surprisingly none nobody at the dealer [TS]

  gave us any lip about it nor did we get [TS]

  that many cross looks or side eyes or [TS]

  anything like that which I was very [TS]

  happy about [TS]

  well it was like it was like nine in the [TS]

  morning they just opened [TS]

  that's true and I i had spent the better [TS]

  part of the entire week beforehand in [TS]

  that dealership doing paperwork and [TS]

  finance apps [TS]

  ok I think about that . they were very [TS]

  comfortable with me doing weird things [TS]

  in the dealership so yeah so we actually [TS]

  went and we we figure out how they fit [TS]

  and we took pictures of exactly how to [TS]

  do the arrangement so we would know when [TS]

  we got there and and it worked so we [TS]

  figured out we we got ourselves to [TS]

  Munich and it was snowing freezing it [TS]

  turns out this is like the the coldest [TS]

  marks they've ever had a record or [TS]

  something like that and it was it was [TS]

  pretty great so we get there we decided [TS]

  to kill we had to kill two days in [TS]

  Munich before we got the car because we [TS]

  were ready when you are so easy with him [TS]

  yeah so and and in Germany [TS]

  not only is Easter Sunday a holiday but [TS]

  the monday following it is also a [TS]

  holiday so we had to pick up the car on [TS]

  Tuesday and yes so sunday and monday we [TS]

  had all day to kill so we did the BMW [TS]

  Welt it's kind of like BMW world it's [TS]

  like disney world full of people use in [TS]

  a giant building and gift shop and [TS]

  and tours and everything and pretty cool [TS]

  in the museum across the street full of [TS]

  all the old BMWs engines motorcycles a [TS]

  couple of boat engine plane engines and [TS]

  all every classic BMW model you can [TS]

  think of all the animals of course the [TS]

  one after that the m1 rather and there [TS]

  was honor there was not a wanna but [TS]

  there was an m1 and you know that [TS]

  everybody's favorite am-5 now they did [TS]

  not they did not have any 39 m5 I was [TS]

  very sad about that they had the the [TS]

  original i believe was the original in [TS]

  five and i can't remember the model [TS]

  designation off the top of my head but [TS]

  it was from like 89 I think something [TS]

  like that or it may be earlier than that [TS]

  and usually three or that anyway so that [TS]

  was a blast [TS]

  highly recommended we we killed a whole [TS]

  day just at the Museum between them [TS]

  Welton museum yeah we killed the entire [TS]

  day and and I I can only speak for Aaron [TS]

  but Aaron had said that she had quite [TS]

  like the museum and not to say that [TS]

  Aaron doesn't like cars or that she's [TS]

  not amused by museums but I mean let's [TS]

  be honest the cars aren't your cup of [TS]

  tea if they don't rip your engine haha [TS]

  then that i could imagine that would be [TS]

  boring and I know Aaron really like 10 [TS]

  tips certainly looked like she enjoyed [TS]

  it a lot as well yeah she was enjoying [TS]

  taking a ridiculous quantity of pictures [TS]

  of me looking at engines giving the [TS]

  exact same relatively blank expression [TS]

  in almost every picture and so that was [TS]

  spotted but yeah so the museum was a lot [TS]

  of fun it's extremely well-designed and [TS]

  and very cool very interesting even if [TS]

  you aren't total BMW nerds like us [TS]

  even John you might you might have maybe [TS]

  25 minutes of happiness in there and [TS]

  that's really sad I'm happy all the time [TS]

  I'm happy on the inside kind of clown [TS]

  haha and you hit so alright so after [TS]

  then sunday went to the deutsches museum [TS]

  which was awesome you know big like [TS]

  science tech museum and in Munich and [TS]

  that was fantastic we only saw like half [TS]

  of it i feel i mean monday and yeah oh [TS]

  yeah we we saw probably less than half [TS]

  because turns out it's ridiculously huge [TS]

  and there we saw even more engines and [TS]

  we explained we both went over to the [TS]

  torque converter hand exhibit and [TS]

  demonstrated to our wives separately [TS]

  demonstrate to our wives how automatics [TS]

  work and why is that [TS]

  yeah that was that was an excellent [TS]

  moment for me to be here and yeah so [TS]

  then tuesday morning we got to go pick [TS]

  up the car okay so we go and and really [TS]

  and so we went back to be to BMW Welt [TS]

  and we go to the premium lounge which is [TS]

  where everybody can when they have [TS]

  infinite free food and free coffee and [TS]

  everything and you can sit around there [TS]

  forever which we later made our wives [TS]

  actually do for a reason that I can't [TS]

  discuss in the show but regardless you [TS]

  go to be able to be lounge and me we [TS]

  weren't taking a dump or anything about [TS]

  something else but now I'm intrigued [TS]

  I'll tell you afterward and so so we go [TS]

  to this lounge and everything I mean so [TS]

  I i went with my in-laws to buy a lexus [TS]

  before and tiff has alexis i want i [TS]

  guess that's probably a better example [TS]

  buying most luxury cars they treat you [TS]

  pretty well the experience is pretty [TS]

  good by buying most cars experiences at [TS]

  least alright but the luxury brands tend [TS]

  to go out of their way to really make it [TS]

  you know [TS]

  plush they did they give you here here's [TS]

  a pot of water and let you know let me [TS]

  offer you like you want a glass of wine [TS]

  or anything like that mean there they go [TS]

  they go crazy and make you does not put [TS]

  your guard up though you weren't born in [TS]

  New York but now technically I guess you [TS]

  are new yorker so I train you in the [TS]

  ways of New York little start start [TS]

  doing things that to put you at ease and [TS]

  make you comfortable [TS]

  you're the warning ladies to go up [TS]

  because especially when they're about to [TS]

  extract thousand the hospital [TS]

  well yeah I mean you know it obviously [TS]

  is not applicable in this particular [TS]

  situation but i'm saying that's what my [TS]

  instinct would be even though i know [TS]

  very well like I you know I'm taking [TS]

  delivery of a car that you know I've [TS]

  already bought it [TS]

  they're trying to make it nice because [TS]

  they're trying to be nice but it's just [TS]

  yeah I mean usually usually agree with [TS]

  you like like it makes me it makes me [TS]

  uncomfortable or rather it makes me feel [TS]

  like I'm getting scammed whenever it's [TS]

  very obvious that whatever i'm about to [TS]

  buy has such a ridiculously large profit [TS]

  margin and even afford to do this to be [TS]

  don't really like really super [TS]

  over-the-top nice like yeah then I'm [TS]

  like okay well I i am paying for all [TS]

  this in a way and ghosts are more like [TS]

  it's worth it to them to put the money [TS]

  into that experience to distract you [TS]

  from how they're screwing us right [TS]

  exactly but yeah but this obviously [TS]

  already had already established the [TS]

  money and paid and you know establish [TS]

  the pricing so this is just picking it [TS]

  up and and every stage of the way and I [TS]

  should point out to we we were there for [TS]

  a little while and we saw a bunch of [TS]

  deliveries including Casey was that one [TS]

  series you saw that was super super [TS]

  inexpensive well i think was a 120 [TS]

  diesel if i'm not mistaken and it was so [TS]

  inexpensive and i don't mean this to [TS]

  sound disrespectful or snarky or [TS]

  anything but it was so inexpensive for [TS]

  BMW that actually a hub caps which I [TS]

  didn't think BMW did anymore right but [TS]

  now they have a hole low end of cars [TS]

  they just don't sell in the US but they [TS]

  saw a lot of them in Germany which by [TS]

  the way is a quick aside one thing that [TS]

  mark when i noticed that i thought was [TS]

  really incredible made me very jealous [TS]

  was that apparently the guy i would say [TS]

  the overwhelming majority of bmw's that [TS]

  we saw were not badge so they would say [TS]

  BMW of course but they would not say x [TS]

  54 m 5 or 3 35 or whatever the case may [TS]

  be there was no model designation on the [TS]

  trunk or boot depending on what country [TS]

  you live in [TS]

  and I thought that was really awesome [TS]

  and i'm kinda jealous that that's a [TS]

  no-cost option for them [TS]

  yeah and it wasn't just being w it just [TS]

  seemed like that seemed like that was [TS]

  just more normal they're like many cars [TS]

  just weren't badge or were minimally [TS]

  badge so we had to identify things by [TS]

  like you know the exhaust tips and [TS]

  things like that like that is that an [TS]

  option because you don't want people to [TS]

  know that you don't have the fanciest [TS]

  one is that the idea behind think it's I [TS]

  think it's because if you don't want [TS]

  that either extreme either you don't [TS]

  want people to know that you have the [TS]

  super flashy car or that you don't want [TS]

  people to know they have a 120 diesel [TS]

  that that for BMW was absurdly to get [TS]

  that seems so strange to me though [TS]

  because the only people who care car [TS]

  people and car we can tell anyway that's [TS]

  true well I just a little community [TS]

  could just be like a cultural thing like [TS]

  a cultural preference thing like you [TS]

  know here we we have pretty big [TS]

  divisions between smart people like us [TS]

  and people who let dealer badging be [TS]

  attached to their car forever [TS]

  yeah ? ground behind one of those people [TS]

  like boy I hope you got a lot of money [TS]

  off my car [TS]

  yeah the ones that have like not you [TS]

  know like you know my dealer gives me a [TS]

  license plate frame that's fine I can [TS]

  take it off but the ones that actually [TS]

  extends all their own logo like on the [TS]

  other side of the trunk lid opposite the [TS]

  real car look it has big baby quietly [TS]

  shiny plastic things that big blue on [TS]

  dear let it like that you know stick out [TS]

  yeah it's terrible but like but hey I i [TS]

  can be bought you know give me a couple [TS]

  thousand dollars off the carhop i'll put [TS]

  a permanent silver add-on you're on the [TS]

  back of my car and if it falls off on a [TS]

  year oops [TS]

  nice anyway so and and one thing to you [TS]

  know that seeing the cars over there [TS]

  gas is way more expensive over there [TS]

  shouldn't be news anybody really [TS]

  listening to this gas is so much more [TS]

  expensive that not only were diesel [TS]

  obviously a lot more common because [TS]

  diesel is generally cheaper but just [TS]

  overall the the engines of the cars we [TS]

  saw where we're mostly very small [TS]

  efficient engines we saw a lot of like [TS]

  you know in the BMW line if you have [TS]

  like the 320 the 520 that you know the [TS]

  318 118 like all like the small engines [TS]

  with those last two digits there [TS]

  I didn't see anything above a 30 so by [TS]

  BMWs parlance that's nothing above [TS]

  roughly a 3.8 liter v6 or i6 whatever it [TS]

  is and I don't even know what they use [TS]

  the thirties for exactly with the [TS]

  current model anyway they were very very [TS]

  few like large engine super-big high-end [TS]

  ones that we saw even even out on the [TS]

  roads or you know anywhere we saw very [TS]

  very few large engine car just because [TS]

  it's so it's so ridiculous over there to [TS]

  have one because the gas is so expensive [TS]

  like filling up filling up the m5 tank [TS]

  which is 21 gallons filling it up costs [TS]

  over a hundred euros and so its current [TS]

  rate something like a hundred and twenty [TS]

  dollars and so it's quite a bit of money [TS]

  anyway obviously I i think if i lived [TS]

  there that would if that would have more [TS]

  relevance on my decision to get one and [TS]

  that's why nobody does over there [TS]

  so anyway so we pick up the car and and [TS]

  so the luxury was was really quite [TS]

  something because this is there this is [TS]

  like their flagship place there the [TS]

  their flagship store in a way and its [TS]

  really good premium experience and the [TS]

  whole time I just kept thinking I can't [TS]

  believe that this cost me less money [TS]

  than picking it up in the states and [TS]

  everything that this is something that [TS]

  echoed throughout the entire BMW [TS]

  european delivery experience and i [TS]

  really i really do mean this at a very [TS]

  deep level everyone did their job right [TS]

  and everything worked and and that's [TS]

  really you know here in the US and I [TS]

  don't know how many other places but [TS]

  certainly in the u.s. you are accustomed [TS]

  to a lot of people just screwing things [TS]

  up routinely a lot of things not working [TS]

  the way they should and and so there's a [TS]

  lot of little details like like when [TS]

  they bring you to your car they bring [TS]

  you down the stairwell and you overlook [TS]

  your car and all the cars are on little [TS]

  spinning turntables and when you when [TS]

  you approach this overlook the salesman [TS]

  who's bringing you to the car [TS]

  it's not really a Salesman that's [TS]

  already been made anyway that the person [TS]

  bring you to the car website an ipad and [TS]

  use a custom a full of German I could [TS]

  understand to start a spotlight on your [TS]

  car and to start the turntable spinning [TS]

  as you approach and the best part about [TS]

  it to me was that I'd like you said it's [TS]

  on you you go down a level and on this [TS]

  landing while you're still on the [TS]

  stairwell you haven't you gone halfway [TS]

  down the stairwell [TS]

  that's when they turn on the spotlight [TS]

  and they engage the turntable and and i [TS]

  was listening to to the delivery [TS]

  specialist or whatever he calls himself [TS]

  and he was telling you about why the car [TS]

  was designed the way it was and what was [TS]

  even more interesting was it to me [TS]

  anyway I don't know what your impression [TS]

  was but to me it didn't sound like just [TS]

  bullcrap sales talk [TS]

  it sounded like he genuinely had [TS]

  researched have been taught or learned [TS]

  why event was placed there or why that [TS]

  you know this this line was done in this [TS]

  way [TS]

  total and I it was very very interesting [TS]

  and very cool [TS]

  yeah and and so just you know every [TS]

  every part of it was very carefully [TS]

  designed very carefully orchestrated and [TS]

  everything worked its I've never been to [TS]

  disney world but from what I understand [TS]

  from what people have said about 20 it [TS]

  sounds like they have a lot of the same [TS]

  philosophies thereof like you know you [TS]

  shouldn't see any seams and everything [TS]

  should always work like it's like they [TS]

  really nailed that it is you know it you [TS]

  know if that if that was anywhere in [TS]

  America even at a BMW facility in [TS]

  America cannot likelihood you know that [TS]

  like if there be like one turntable that [TS]

  just didn't work and so like you know a [TS]

  tenth of the deliveries that day just [TS]

  wouldn't have the turntable working and [TS]

  have to explain how sorry [TS]

  normally it's been good don't know [TS]

  what's broken you know you know that [TS]

  would happen here [TS]

  yeah but that definitely is the ethos in [TS]

  disney world but it's a lot harder to [TS]

  hold that line in a gigantic theme park [TS]

  filled with screaming children and [TS]

  certain tourists than it is in the end [TS]

  in the environment that you're in [TS]

  of course but but you know it's it's [TS]

  that it's that work ethic and that [TS]

  attention to detail that this needs to [TS]

  work correctly [TS]

  did you notice that like in the rest of [TS]

  Germany like that this is not you know [TS]

  that the sort of Germany toasted the [TS]

  stereotype we have over here is that [TS]

  every part of their societies like that [TS]

  from the guy who serves your coffee at [TS]

  the coffee shop to like the street signs [TS]

  and traffic lights and you know [TS]

  everything [TS]

  it wasn't I mean it wasn't absolutely [TS]

  perfect everywhere obviously that that's [TS]

  probably impossible or at least [TS]

  unhealthy but it was surprisingly close [TS]

  it really like and we'll get into the [TS]

  drivers in a bit but it was it was [TS]

  surprisingly good just just in general [TS]

  think like people did their jobs right [TS]

  and things worked one was interesting to [TS]

  me as well i am i'm probably reading too [TS]

  much into this but again like John [TS]

  saying that the the American stereotype [TS]

  of a German is that they're very [TS]

  efficient very serious not mean or not [TS]

  bad tempered with serious and everything [TS]

  is very specific and and i don't know i [TS]

  just got such a laugh over the fact that [TS]

  your delivery time was nine ten [TS]

  it wasn't 909 it wasn't 911 [TS]

  it was nine ten and I mean we walked out [TS]

  there i think nine ten on the nose and [TS]

  and it was your there and at what I [TS]

  believe his name is Michael was right [TS]

  there waiting for us [TS]

  yeah i mean 'animal again it was just so [TS]

  delightfully German and i don't mean [TS]

  that just in inside in a sarcastic way I [TS]

  mean I genuinely I thought it was so [TS]

  delightfully German that that was the [TS]

  case right well if we were even joking [TS]

  like we were after we pick the car we [TS]

  come back to the lounge to get our stuff [TS]

  and get like a get a little bit of [TS]

  coffee or something and and so it was [TS]

  like eleven o'clock and they had said [TS]

  like you know what are serving lunch at [TS]

  eleven at this forgot about the human [TS]

  lounge and exactly at eleven o'clock [TS]

  somebody had walked out and was replayed [TS]

  misplacing sandwiches on on the buffet [TS]

  and everything it was like exactly on [TS]

  the nose eleven o'clock [TS]

  BAM lunch like me and you can case you [TS]

  you notice that in common that like that [TS]

  that is so stereotypically chicken but [TS]

  it's truly get it [TS]

  that's a and again you know that John's [TS]

  good question like how much this how [TS]

  much this applies outside of this [TS]

  magical BMW you know fairytale land but [TS]

  but really it did seem like in are [TS]

  admittedly limited travels it did seem [TS]

  like that was that was more way more the [TS]

  norm than it is over here in the US [TS]

  would agree with that especially on the [TS]

  west coast especially on the west coast [TS]

  welcoming and I like that a lot like I i [TS]

  am part german I've always I mean you [TS]

  know well it long ancestry ago was [TS]

  German but like I've always worked very [TS]

  well under German bosses I had a few it [TS]

  with my various like terrible high [TS]

  school jobs and everything like I've [TS]

  always gotten along well with German [TS]

  bosses I've always liked you know i'm [TS]

  i'm the kind of nerd where if somebody [TS]

  tells me to be there you know to be at a [TS]

  party from 6 to 9 i'm there at six and [TS]

  of course that's not what anybody means [TS]

  acceptable government's I'm told you're [TS]

  not supposed to do that I'm repeatedly [TS]

  told by my wife that we're not supposed [TS]

  to do right you're a nerd so you think [TS]

  the same way like well it's said to be [TS]

  there at six something I was a button [TS]

  simon doesn't make any sense [TS]

  exactly shoot the hell with you guys on [TS]

  their 555 @ don't want to be looking [TS]

  the songs are so we got at your grasp so [TS]

  we're halfway down the stairwell your [TS]

  car spinning and you're getting explain [TS]

  to you why the lines were drawn in such [TS]

  a way it exactly so yeah so anyway that [TS]

  I mean you know the whole thing [TS]

  normally when you when you buy a car and [TS]

  most most branded dealers they will take [TS]

  a little bit to show you all the [TS]

  features to go over like here's how you [TS]

  do the climate control and and of course [TS]

  as we've discussed in the test with with [TS]

  the with software interfaces taking over [TS]

  and and with media things being able to [TS]

  do more and more [TS]

  this process is taking longer to explain [TS]

  it but but you know this guy he came [TS]

  down there and so we go down to the car [TS]

  and the first thing they'd have me do [TS]

  and when we when we walked into this [TS]

  whole thing they checked our bags when [TS]

  we went down to the car they had all of [TS]

  our bags ready to go into the car right [TS]

  there next to it like on the best thing [TS]

  we'd have to ask [TS]

  yeah and it wasn't that they brought the [TS]

  bags nearby the car those bags were [TS]

  brought as physically close to the car [TS]

  as you would comfortably allow them to [TS]

  be handled by anyone other than you and [TS]

  again I mean that in a good way not in a [TS]

  bad way they brought them directly to [TS]

  the trunk and had them within six inches [TS]

  of the trunk so we wouldn't have to lift [TS]

  them any further if we didn't want to [TS]

  hear and the first thing they have you [TS]

  do is somebody is a photographer comes [TS]

  up and takes a picture of you in front [TS]

  of the car [TS]

  oh I'm way to pictures when we just [TS]

  meeting with me my wife and I and then a [TS]

  few seconds look at a few minutes later [TS]

  they give you not only the printouts of [TS]

  those pictures that they had like gone [TS]

  to the back to get they give you the [TS]

  printouts and they give you a USB key [TS]

  with those pictures on them [TS]

  july didn't know that yeah I I never [TS]

  notice on now the question roar jpg it [TS]

  doesn't matter they had a flash such a [TS]

  snob [TS]

  hey don't the Germans make amazing [TS]

  cameras [TS]

  why did they make amazing lenses i don't [TS]

  know if i don't know what cameras they [TS]

  make yeah I am [TS]

  which by the way I don't remember when [TS]

  it was in this process that the [TS]

  following happened but I also thought it [TS]

  very interesting and to build on what [TS]

  you're saying Marco about American vs [TS]

  German ways when we got to the call [TS]

  one of the first things that happened [TS]

  was Michael the delivery specialist open [TS]

  the hood and showed you know you anymore [TS]

  and then he went and he got something [TS]

  from some cabinet and the cabinet was [TS]

  delightfully a simple and very clean [TS]

  very clean lines and he gets this cable [TS]

  out and I noticed that there's jumper [TS]

  leads on one end and some sort of plug [TS]

  on the other and so he takes these [TS]

  jumper leads plug them into the jump [TS]

  location under the hood and then under [TS]

  the front of the car perfectly under the [TS]

  center of the front of the car [TS]

  there's this hidden little doorway where [TS]

  he plugs in the other end and I presume [TS]

  this was done so that the car was [TS]

  running off the building's power and [TS]

  while he was spending an hour explaining [TS]

  to you about I Drive and this and that [TS]

  the other thing you're not destroying [TS]

  this brand new bat yes that's it in fact [TS]

  he explained that he was doing it he [TS]

  explained that is what he was doing and [TS]

  why because he was about to launch into [TS]

  like this half-hour demo of the stuff [TS]

  and didn't want and didn't want me to [TS]

  have a partially drained battery left [TS]

  but it's so and so and so when they [TS]

  drive these cars onto these turntables [TS]

  they have to align them so that these [TS]

  things line up like it's just every [TS]

  little attention to detail at everything [TS]

  was was a was just pay attention to and [TS]

  was done correctly [TS]

  yeah by the way the people who drive [TS]

  them from the car elevator to the [TS]

  turntable are wearing white gloves it [TS]

  I mean I'm not Joe this thing with [TS]

  spotless and it had the the odometer [TS]

  read to when they first got it it so i [TS]

  have to imagine they were not a lot of [TS]

  overhead of driving this thing around to [TS]

  get it where it had to go so it's [TS]

  actually begs the question will Marco [TS]

  where do they store these cars until [TS]

  delivery right that's another thing so [TS]

  we found out late the night before [TS]

  picking it up somebody on a forum link [TS]

  to it somehow somebody a forum had [TS]

  gotten pictures and then they later [TS]

  confirmed we ask the people like kind of [TS]

  we have some kind of leading questions [TS]

  and they confirmed everything the form [TS]

  guy said that they store all these cars [TS]

  in a giant warehouse under where we were [TS]

  and in order to prevent or to reduce the [TS]

  damage of firewood cause you had a whole [TS]

  bunch of vehicles full of gasoline [TS]

  first of all they are only allowed to [TS]

  put four gallons of gas and each one [TS]

  which is kind of annoying when you leave [TS]

  you don't have a full tank but that's [TS]

  apparently some kind of regulation but [TS]

  they have to follow but they keep these [TS]

  inner in a room a giant warehouse that [TS]

  is dropped down to only thirteen percent [TS]

  oxygen so that if there's a fire it [TS]

  doesn't spread very easily and they said [TS]

  like if you try to light a lighter won't [TS]

  even light at that at that concentration [TS]

  i keep thieves out other people still [TS]

  able to breathe [TS]

  it's like being on a high mountain I i [TS]

  forget the exact elevation he told us [TS]

  there's like I had some kind of [TS]

  elevation equivalent but like you know [TS]

  you'd survive but it can be done heading [TS]

  right for your car and actually had like [TS]

  a robotic forklift truck thing that goes [TS]

  and fetches each car from its little [TS]

  holding bay to bring it over to where it [TS]

  needs to go when when a car's requested [TS]

  i mean it's it's a it's a heck of a [TS]

  system and the guy was saying they do [TS]

  roughly a hundred 230 deliveries per day [TS]

  and they only have out of what would you [TS]

  say case maybe like 10 turntables yet no [TS]

  more than 15 I think closer to 10 and [TS]

  they're only doing roughly 12 to a time [TS]

  so you gotta figure like this whole [TS]

  thing is it's quite an efficient system [TS]

  to be able to pump that out you know [TS]

  tend to have that kind of throughput on [TS]

  on such relatively small inventory [TS]

  anyway so or bandwidth rather speaking [TS]

  of bandwidth this would be reinstated [TS]

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  give me a shot you like it in as a quick [TS]

  aside the the turntable that we happen [TS]

  to be on this again was another [TS]

  delightfully german thing that I noticed [TS]

  the turntable we happen to be on had a [TS]

  sculpture nearby and it took me just a [TS]

  moment to realize wait a second that [TS]

  sculptures and exhaust manifold and so [TS]

  while marco was getting his dissertation [TS]

  on all the things about the m5 I went [TS]

  wandering over 10 feet away to see the [TS]

  sculpture little up look up close and it [TS]

  was mounted on what appears to me to be [TS]

  marble and i took a picture of the the [TS]

  inscription on that marble of what the [TS]

  sculpture was and I'm not gonna read you [TS]

  the German because I can't but they had [TS]

  an English translation right below and i [TS]

  will read it to you verbatim it says BMW [TS]

  10 cylinder performance manifold 421 [TS]

  scale new line technology and its most [TS]

  beautiful form and again so awesome and [TS]

  i probably sound like I'm being [TS]

  sarcastic but I really mean this [TS]

  genuinely that just warms my heart so [TS]

  much that the again just so delightfully [TS]

  German so anyway so he's just plug the [TS]

  car into the into the butt into the [TS]

  building and you're getting your lecture [TS]

  yet and it's you know it's great hehe [TS]

  sets everything up he pairs my phone to [TS]

  the bluetooth I mean [TS]

  you know it goes through everything just [TS]

  as well if not better than I've ever had [TS]

  a dealer do it you know really really [TS]

  good good intro to everything smoke [TS]

  great English that magazine excellent [TS]

  English that was never a problem and [TS]

  even like we were never given the [TS]

  paperwork you know that was a different [TS]

  person and she was explaining you know [TS]

  if you here's your insurance here's this [TS]

  this and this [TS]

  everything was like no deductible I mean [TS]

  it was really just a great set up [TS]

  everything we were very well prepared [TS]

  for everything [TS]

  everyone told us what was going to [TS]

  happen what to expect like you know with [TS]

  with the the road permits and the [TS]

  insurance and the paperwork and the [TS]

  drop-off you know everything we're very [TS]

  well prepared for and they just everyone [TS]

  just did their job right and i really i [TS]

  wish that was just something that we [TS]

  could assume of everybody all the time [TS]

  and it and it's so isn't and so it was [TS]

  really quite something [TS]

  so anyway I finished the tour we're all [TS]

  ready to go and and and again we and we [TS]

  have for people with us you know we had [TS]

  me know I've encasing his wife and that [TS]

  was never a problem that was never week [TS]

  they were they never made us feel like [TS]

  we were imposing because we had four [TS]

  people instead of two or 2 plus kid or [TS]

  whatever they do everything they just ok [TS]

  here's you here's for access car so the [TS]

  executor the premium lounge and and here [TS]

  and when we left they gave us free [TS]

  little bottles of water here's four [TS]

  bottles of water because it's for if you [TS]

  like it was everything was just [TS]

  incredibly delightful and you know [TS]

  people often now I got a lot of [TS]

  responses when I when I've mentioned BMW [TS]

  in the past I always get responses to [TS]

  the effect of why do so many apple fans [TS]

  like BMWs and and I think there is a [TS]

  connection there and and you know maybe [TS]

  that's maybe that's why BMW care so much [TS]

  about iphone and ipod integration and [TS]

  why they've been often first to it are [TS]

  done it best for a while I think there's [TS]

  a lot of overlap there and I think the [TS]

  reason why is because people who like [TS]

  delightful things and delightful design [TS]

  tend to really appreciate apple products [TS]

  because apple provides [TS]

  a lot of delight and I think BMW is is [TS]

  that same way in so many regards and so [TS]

  many respects and they aren't the only [TS]

  ones to do to be that way certainly I [TS]

  mean little delightful things little by [TS]

  for features are a lot of what makes [TS]

  luxury cars luxury cars and so pretty [TS]

  much all the luxury brands that even [TS]

  someone on larger brands do but they [TS]

  really do BWW really does nail that they [TS]

  really do provide so many opportunities [TS]

  for delight in their products in their [TS]

  service in these experiences that they [TS]

  that they offer you like there's so much [TS]

  of that I think that's why there's that [TS]

  overlap is because the same people who [TS]

  appreciate that and apple products if [TS]

  they are ever exposed to BWW will [TS]

  probably appreciate it there to my [TS]

  recognize that you know they cared about [TS]

  that they did that and and that's that [TS]

  makes me happy for the question why do [TS]

  you think they don't do this in America [TS]

  is kind of delivery experience her beer [TS]

  that you do that as far as I know they [TS]

  don't I think well talk about for BMW [TS]

  orgastic I mean I didn't love you [TS]

  they do a subset of it you know like [TS]

  they'll but you know they do the subset [TS]

  of that every luxury brand does where [TS]

  they'll have given away as we said [TS]

  earlier they'll give you the bottle of [TS]

  water or the glass of wine if you want [TS]

  and they'll make your experience at a [TS]

  dealership very helpful and very nice [TS]

  and and very comfortable but this whole [TS]

  setup of having like the car and [TS]

  turntable and everything I don't know I [TS]

  don't act is you just because that would [TS]

  put a lot of bourbon and a lot of costs [TS]

  on the individual dealers where I mad [TS]

  when I was thinking of like it just one [TS]

  place somewhere in the United States so [TS]

  that you know you would have to fly [TS]

  overseas for you know you like someone [TS]

  like somewhere near where they sell a [TS]

  lot of their cars or maybe it's like to [TS]

  drive to another state and do it but if [TS]

  you want to go to the big BMW back and [TS]

  then you can get that experience you [TS]

  know I don't they don't do this in [TS]

  Spartans is it Spartanburg's your [TS]

  ensberg smart hands berg don't matter is [TS]

  an astronaut but anyway I don't think [TS]

  they do this at Spartanburg do they I [TS]

  don't think so [TS]

  I i I'm not sure if they do this or not [TS]

  anywhere in the u.s I've still never [TS]

  heard about it if they have [TS]

  but i think the place to do it would [TS]

  probably be like New Jersey thick like [TS]

  that's New Jersey has lots of space lots [TS]

  of car people and it's close to a lot of [TS]

  people on the East Coast maybe probably [TS]

  have one on the west coast to it they [TS]

  did that but yeah I've never heard is [TS]

  isn't it [TS]

  yeah but yeah I've never heard of of [TS]

  that being done here and that's a good [TS]

  question i don't know why but the only [TS]

  thing I can say is I from what I recall [TS]

  a couple years ago [TS]

  I'm want to say was the zr1 maybe the [TS]

  new zr1 i think that there was some [TS]

  program that Chevy briefly did where you [TS]

  could actually go in to go to Kentucky [TS]

  and build the matter you would help [TS]

  assemble the end right right that's a [TS]

  different kind of experience for a [TS]

  different kind of customer it's the same [TS]

  thing like it what do you want you want [TS]

  to have this experience was like well if [TS]

  you're into if you're a gearhead and you [TS]

  want to it's like wow I got to help [TS]

  build you know the engine to my own car [TS]

  I'm sure they let you do whatever I [TS]

  think it's nearly impossible to screw up [TS]

  right what do you like Titan one nut or [TS]

  something anybody about it that you do [TS]

  you know the parts that are hard to [TS]

  screw up but you can participate in the [TS]

  process you push a button anyway so [TS]

  after picking up the car we did you eat [TS]

  you get to do like this little victory [TS]

  lap around the entire platform of all [TS]

  the turntables and where all the cars [TS]

  are and to be clear you know with Marco [TS]

  picked up this car on the second floor [TS]

  of a three-story building it ain't so [TS]

  you know next thing you know that I see [TS]

  the code well you signed something on an [TS]

  ipad i didn't see specifically what [TS]

  and that was the final thing I saw you [TS]

  sign yeah and then he hands you the keys [TS]

  for like you know here this is it we're [TS]

  done have fun and you're on the second [TS]

  story in your inside in the second story [TS]

  of a of a three-story building right and [TS]

  and of course I'm feeling very [TS]

  self-conscious that just started up a v8 [TS]

  indoors [TS]

  i'm thinking like a carbon monoxide yet [TS]

  but I'm sure that everything's pretty [TS]

  big building with marisa different it is [TS]

  also a lot of cars being started up and [TS]

  it was I looking at these pictures i'm [TS]

  looking like that the video people [TS]

  getting delivery like the big white [TS]

  floor you know you could probably leave [TS]

  some really neat tire tracks along just [TS]

  the people out to black stripes as you [TS]

  leave the that's what I told him he [TS]

  should have done but I will [TS]

  there's no prob probably frowned upon . [TS]

  you not only not only was I little [TS]

  scared to be frowned upon but a this was [TS]

  a dct so I was little I was a little [TS]

  vague as to whether you're neutral or [TS]

  not like and now that I know what I I'd [TS]

  be able to do it comfortably but at the [TS]

  time i was i was not comforting to know [TS]

  like if I floor it for a second am I [TS]

  gonna actually go forward right now or [TS]

  not any of the other thing is it's a [TS]

  very very it's a relatively tight space [TS]

  you know when you're walking it's very [TS]

  spacious when you're driving a $YEAR 5 [TS]

  series because a large vehicle you don't [TS]

  feel like you have a ton of space to get [TS]

  to go around like you know there's [TS]

  there's a wall there that overlooks of [TS]

  show room full of people up [TS]

  that's the United wasn't going to take [TS]

  any risks there anyway so you can lean [TS]

  on the horn at least at representing [TS]

  American some of noxious play haha go [TS]

  again [TS]

  I'm serious i'm sure people do the head [TS]

  you do all of that custom horn that uh [TS]

  plays the pics added theme when you hit [TS]

  somebody please not corruption now [TS]

  Wow but anyway so we we do a victory lap [TS]

  we head out and then we just go [TS]

  immediately park and go back in because [TS]

  we were doing next was the factory tour [TS]

  and this this is pretty cool [TS]

  you can take any pictures on the factory [TS]

  tour they're very serious about that so [TS]

  I don't have any pictures of it but they [TS]

  actually walk you through the factory [TS]

  that's across the street that produces [TS]

  something like I think they said about [TS]

  903 series cars a day and I saw some x5 [TS]

  shells as well if i'm not mistaken you [TS]

  are mistaken as are making it made in [TS]

  the US [TS]

  see that's what I thought but there were [TS]

  some sort of SUV I thought wasn't or [TS]

  maybe i'm thinking of the tour yet every [TS]

  just they were just the touring / wagon [TS]

  models of the 3c right i was just [TS]

  kidding i was testing you and you passed [TS]

  that's good but anyway just like when [TS]

  you when you failed to spot the the new [TS]

  4-series in the museum the new 4-series [TS]

  design mockup yes yes you're right [TS]

  anyway did so we did the factory tour [TS]

  and and it's it's really something if [TS]

  you know if any listeners have the [TS]

  opportunity to go to the music factory [TS]

  tour I I would have [TS]

  recommend it it's really really great it [TS]

  was one of the highlights of the trip [TS]

  for sure and just society they tell you [TS]

  why they don't let you take pictures [TS]

  no it's probably for some kind of like [TS]

  legal trade secrets things similar to [TS]

  how like you know one of the reasons why [TS]

  Apple did the iOS developer n da back in [TS]

  the early days was because they were [TS]

  some kind of technicality where like if [TS]

  you if if something is unpublished [TS]

  officially then it afford you some like [TS]

  a little bit of extra time on the patent [TS]

  or something like that or or filing for [TS]

  a patent and so there's some [TS]

  technicality we're like even though [TS]

  everyone was breaking the NDA constantly [TS]

  it was as long as it was officially [TS]

  under NDA then you know Apple had some [TS]

  legal benefit it was it's probably the [TS]

  same thing here we're like obviously [TS]

  you're not going to see anything that's [TS]

  gonna be like a massive trade secret or [TS]

  anything and they're going to show [TS]

  everyone the street that but by by [TS]

  saying this is secret and not letting [TS]

  you take pictures and everything there [TS]

  is probably some kind of legal advantage [TS]

  they get by that but i was asking [TS]

  because I'm looking at this this video I [TS]

  just paste in a you know european [TS]

  delivery or whatever and they do the [TS]

  factory tour too and they're taking [TS]

  video so one of these jokers get to do [TS]

  video you can you take pictures i just [TS]

  passed you're talking about the autoblog [TS]

  yeah thing [TS]

  oh yeah let me see how I'm kind of busy [TS]

  i would assume i'll assume attack was [TS]

  there its press and so press get [TS]

  affordances that we don't get it was [TS]

  probably a special deal but that's a [TS]

  good question like why why is that ok [TS]

  oh well I don't know anyway it was [TS]

  awesome at as you can see this video [TS]

  thanks for ruining it [TS]

  as you can see it's video the factory it [TS]

  not only is there a lot going on there [TS]

  it's pretty cool to see like all the [TS]

  crazy robots up up close and everything [TS]

  but it was impeccably clean oh I would [TS]

  have been a gourmet meal off the floor [TS]

  that factory and I say that only mildly [TS]

  sarcastically like yeah unbelievable it [TS]

  I the the floors in that factory are [TS]

  cleaner than the floors in my house by [TS]

  probably by a lot i mean.they it would [TS]

  like there wasn't even like like metal [TS]

  shavings or [TS]

  fine layer of dust from all this [TS]

  machining nothing like it was impeccably [TS]

  clean and and just everything about it [TS]

  was as stereotypically German like [TS]

  incredibly efficient clever reliable and [TS]

  and they you know these explanations [TS]

  were fantastic of everything and and we [TS]

  were just like walking on like you know [TS]

  one catwalk overlooking everything we [TS]

  will actually like any there was a bit [TS]

  of that we were actually walking like [TS]

  right through the factory floor and [TS]

  walking you know 10 feet away from the [TS]

  people who are building engines and [TS]

  everything I mean it was it was pretty [TS]

  cool and we really saw a lot of great [TS]

  stuff there and it was it was extremely [TS]

  worthwhile highly recommended [TS]

  yeah I couldn't agree more in a couple [TS]

  of highlights that I thought [TS]

  firstly the paint process which I guess [TS]

  this is covered in what show was it that [TS]

  you said you had watched you and tiff [TS]

  out on the Iron ya how it's made and I [TS]

  guess a lot of this is cut been covered [TS]

  in TV shows and documentaries and [TS]

  whatnot like how it's made [TS]

  but I thought it was incredible the way [TS]

  the painting process worked and so at [TS]

  one point were brought into a room where [TS]

  we see a hood it looked to me to be a [TS]

  3-series hood but it was a hold of some [TS]

  say wasn't f30 3-series ok [TS]

  or was it bonnet if you're British is [TS]

  that right anyway so we see this hood [TS]

  and it's shows like the seven different [TS]

  seven ish different stages of the [TS]

  painting process and so it shows you [TS]

  know the raw metal and then it's getting [TS]

  a getting that gets a base coat and this [TS]

  and that and the other thing than all [TS]

  the way through to the clear coat and [TS]

  another great example of people caring [TS]

  about their jobs like Marcos been been [TS]

  saying all along is that the woman who [TS]

  was the tour guide [TS]

  somebody asked her not me i don't [TS]

  remember how they phrase the question [TS]

  but basically hey for what is it Arctic [TS]

  I was grows along [TS]

  Thank You frozen for the frozen that [TS]

  coat jobs the matte colors [TS]

  what do you do is it not clear coated or [TS]

  is it did you just skip the clearcoat [TS]

  step what happens in immediately without [TS]

  a hesitation she said no no it's just a [TS]

  different clearcoat process what does it [TS]

  have silicon or something absolutely [TS]

  Angeles and and so it was just really [TS]

  rewarding to have a tour guide that [TS]

  clearly knew what the crap she was [TS]

  talking about writing was able to answer [TS]

  without having to be like Oh arm [TS]

  hmm let me think i've been told this [TS]

  once during my training program for and [TS]

  I we were never there was no one who [TS]

  ever said oh we can't tell you that [TS]

  like that's a secret like every question [TS]

  somebody asked they answered and maybe [TS]

  i'm sure there were questions we could [TS]

  have come up with they wouldn't answer [TS]

  but every like there was nothing that [TS]

  was like oh we can only tell you what's [TS]

  been approved for the store like what is [TS]

  the stereo mic engine noises that come [TS]

  up we'll talk about that well the [TS]

  5-series wasn't made in this plant this [TS]

  is a 3-series plant alright and the [TS]

  although the engine was the v8 is made [TS]

  in this plan so the other bit about the [TS]

  paint that i thought was incredible and [TS]

  again I guess this was old news to [TS]

  everyone but me but apparently and I'll [TS]

  get this backwards but the paint is [TS]

  positively charged in the chassis is [TS]

  negatively charged or perhaps vice versa [TS]

  so that when the paint is atomized and [TS]

  sprayed it's actually attracted to the [TS]

  body of the car which I just thought was [TS]

  so incredibly it like minimizes [TS]

  overspray and paint waste and everything [TS]

  right and then they had this likes this [TS]

  truth underneath the painting process [TS]

  that had running water beneath and [TS]

  apparently they can save like [TS]

  ninety-nine percent of the paint in that [TS]

  water that that's over spray it was [TS]

  really it was really ridiculous and then [TS]

  the other thing I thought was really [TS]

  incredible but the about the factory [TS]

  tour was we were able like Marco said a [TS]

  minute ago we were able to go see the [TS]

  engine building area engine room [TS]

  whatever you called it which i guess is [TS]

  not normal because I talked to a friend [TS]

  of mine who had just done it a few [TS]

  months ago and he said he didn't see [TS]

  that well anyway we got to go through [TS]

  and see some of these engines getting [TS]

  built and to be honest I mean it's [TS]

  exactly what you would expect about how [TS]

  an engine gets built but just seeing it [TS]

  live was extremely cool and I just [TS]

  geeked out on every moment of it I [TS]

  thought it was awesome it was [TS]

  interesting too late to hear so like [TS]

  takes that as part of the part of the [TS]

  tour they they told us what ratios they [TS]

  make these things and they were saying [TS]

  like everyday they make about a thousand [TS]

  of the new and 20 engines are the turbo [TS]

  four-cylinder the the 22 liter [TS]

  four-cylinder that are going into all of [TS]

  the x 28 models now and and they make it [TS]

  basically made like 1200 of those a day [TS]

  and then they don't they don't make the [TS]

  six cylinders in this plant but they [TS]

  made them in the four cylinders the [TS]

  eight and the giant 12 for the the 760 [TS]

  and the rolls-royce's hit they said they [TS]

  make like 1200 of the of the [TS]

  four-cylinder i forgot i think it was [TS]

  like 200 or so of the eights and then [TS]

  like 30 of the to a house that's gonna [TS]

  give you some idea of why the the giant [TS]

  v12 engines cost so much [TS]

  it's because they're making like 30 of [TS]

  them a day in this giant Factory [TS]

  anyway that was awesome highly [TS]

  recommended and we're running a little [TS]

  long so I want to move on to the driving [TS]

  part [TS]

  so we leave here and the first thing we [TS]

  do is drive through the apps and go to [TS]

  our next destination which was lucerne [TS]

  switzerland and so we get to drive the [TS]

  autobahn the first time you just drive [TS]

  through the Alps a little bit and oh my [TS]

  god this car is ridiculous I mean I i [TS]

  cannot say it enough so ridiculously app [TS]

  with this car and even just having it [TS]

  for the few days i had it so far [TS]

  oh my god so first of all the dct is [TS]

  exactly as I as I thought it was it was [TS]

  exactly as I remembered it from that [TS]

  track day it was [TS]

  it's just awesome it compared to a [TS]

  six-speed this is the first and they [TS]

  were like North mystic and I'm very very [TS]

  happy I made the choice to go with it I [TS]

  don't regret not having a stick [TS]

  even now coming back to my stick cars [TS]

  for the next month and a half or two I I [TS]

  don't regret making that choice at all [TS]

  i'm very very happy with that choice now [TS]

  to that end so at this point in our [TS]

  story i have not driven the m5 yet i'm [TS]

  only a passenger and I i firstly I one [TS]

  note is that I wouldn't i don't think i [TS]

  will ever forget when we cleared munich [TS]

  and all of a sudden the speed [TS]

  restrictions one away and you unwound [TS]

  that car and next thing you know we're [TS]

  doing 110 120 easy Kelly [TS]

  legally and and and i cannot say enough [TS]

  good things about the German drivers [TS]

  because in America as we complained and [TS]

  moaned in in the episode alternate which [TS]

  was like 46 or something like that it [TS]

  was six American drivers especially [TS]

  Virginia anyway they tend to think that [TS]

  the left lane is a perfectly permissible [TS]

  travel lane and in Germany that is not [TS]

  the case people stayed right or state to [TS]

  the middle and only got left if they had [TS]

  to and if he and i was watching from the [TS]

  backseat if marco was approaching [TS]

  quickly someone in front of him [TS]

  eighty to ninety percent of the time [TS]

  that person got the crap out of the way [TS]

  is quickly [TS]

  is quickly [TS]

  possible and it was really unbelievable [TS]

  to watch but the other thing i want to [TS]

  note is that about the dct again at this [TS]

  point I have not yet driven it but from [TS]

  the backseat [TS]

  it was surprisingly good and I was in [TS]

  I've talked about this before my friend [TS]

  brian's r32 volkswagen r32 which had one [TS]

  of the earliest implementations of a [TS]

  dual-clutch gearbox and it was wonderful [TS]

  when you are driving hard but atrocious [TS]

  when you were just driving and it took [TS]

  Marco maybe a day to get to the point [TS]

  that he knew he understood the car well [TS]

  enough that you're driving around town [TS]

  it was like the world's best standard [TS]

  transmission driver and when you got on [TS]

  the gas [TS]

  it was the world's fastest standard [TS]

  transmission driver in from the back [TS]

  seat anyway it was really really nice [TS]

  and i remembers their full auto mode [TS]

  though as well [TS]

  yes mhm so i can use that around town as [TS]

  it just drive like you know and an [TS]

  automatic the only the only learning [TS]

  curve that I had that I had to do well [TS]

  there's to learn cause obviously there [TS]

  there's the break responsiveness [TS]

  learning curve which I I think whenever [TS]

  anybody gets into any different car it [TS]

  takes a moment you know a few minutes at [TS]

  least two to become smooth on the brakes [TS]

  especially when you have ridiculously [TS]

  large breaks like a like a high-end [TS]

  sports car where they're very powerful [TS]

  but the only learning curve ahead with [TS]

  the dct was when you go from zero to [TS]

  going you know in a regular standard [TS]

  transmission car you can kind of ease [TS]

  off the clutch and gradually make you [TS]

  know gradually get into it so that you [TS]

  take off fairly smoothly and when you're [TS]

  learning how to drive stick [TS]

  learning how to do that smoothly is not [TS]

  easy and and with the dct you know the [TS]

  dct is normally optimized for quick gear [TS]

  changes and so you're going from 0 to [TS]

  first if you want to quickly do that [TS]

  it's not going to be smooth it's going [TS]

  to be rich connect jolt you forward to [TS]

  starting second that's an option [TS]

  actually but that might have had the [TS]

  same issue anyways it's over 500 [TS]

  horsepower is that is here is it's not [TS]

  graceful what's going on it but it has [TS]

  like this some kind of special detection [TS]

  we like it if it detects that you're [TS]

  trying to be gentle on the gas pedal [TS]

  going from 0 to first [TS]

  it will engage it slowly so it does it [TS]

  like sense that that's good to like if [TS]

  you're parallel parking or something you [TS]

  can creep you know as you as you need to [TS]

  win when you're doing small maneuvers [TS]

  like that so it but so it took me to be [TS]

  a solid day and a half or two days to [TS]

  learn how to do that reliably it's just [TS]

  like a feel thing you know but anyway [TS]

  yeah like once you learn to do that it [TS]

  it really is an incredibly smooth ride [TS]

  and in fact my wife commented on that a [TS]

  lot too because she is often in the car [TS]

  with me driving stick and I'm not that [TS]

  great at it that I can be perfectly [TS]

  smooth all the time and and so so she [TS]

  even commented how much smoother by far [TS]

  the dct was compared to the way I [TS]

  usually drive a stick and I was just so [TS]

  blown away by how fast an awesome it was [TS]

  I didn't I didn't care about the loss of [TS]

  roughness it's anyway so driving this [TS]

  thing you know as cases at the autobahn [TS]

  is fantastic 11 also a little little [TS]

  note that i thought was just one of [TS]

  those little delightful things that's [TS]

  just commonly good this speedometer in [TS]

  in this new car does not have because [TS]

  the us-spec are normally the aspect cars [TS]

  will have both km/h and miles per hour [TS]

  markings on them [TS]

  this one didn't this one only had miles [TS]

  per hour because it tests for the US and [TS]

  I guess the new one just don't do both [TS]

  anymore so I thought oh crap all the [TS]

  speed limit signs are in km/h i'm going [TS]

  to have to memorize what all of these [TS]

  translate two miles per hour to be to be [TS]

  able to drive legally and place the dual [TS]

  speed limits which is most places and so [TS]

  i think i think i mentioned in the in [TS]

  the extras show that one of the features [TS]

  of this car is a speed limit in feature [TS]

  that you actually use a camera mounted [TS]

  on the rear view mirror it skin it looks [TS]

  forward on the road and finds speed [TS]

  limit signs it detects them just by [TS]

  image recognition and it tells you what [TS]

  the current speed limit is and then it [TS]

  matches up that data sometimes it will [TS]

  it will have it in the navigation [TS]

  systems little know what the speed limit [TS]

  isn't certain roads it'll match it up [TS]

  with navigation system if it doesn't [TS]

  have a sign of hasn't seen the sign in [TS]

  awhile [TS]

  so anyway I this feature as we're [TS]

  driving you know that but here I am with [TS]

  a miles per hour meter seeing km/h signs [TS]

  it recognized the km/h signs and [TS]

  converted it for me two miles per hour [TS]

  rounded to the nearest five and so all [TS]

  the time i was driving [TS]

  whenever I saw speed limit sign about [TS]

  two seconds later it would pop up on the [TS]

  heads-up display and the speedometer [TS]

  little icon showing me what the current [TS]

  speed limit was in miles per hour [TS]

  that is awesome you got you clearly [TS]

  agree we had worked really well and well [TS]

  from what little i could tell from the [TS]

  backseat and the other thing I thought [TS]

  was really awesome is that they gave you [TS]

  and I mean I guess this isn't surprising [TS]

  but they gave you the maps for Europe [TS]

  because like you said this is a [TS]

  us-backed car doesn't usually come with [TS]

  European maps and the nav was perfectly [TS]

  from my perspective was perfectly easy [TS]

  to use granted every every Road in [TS]

  German is about 350 characters long for [TS]

  every road name is significant [TS]

  characters long but space to our [TS]

  extensive their spaces are very [TS]

  expensive and so two hours later when we [TS]

  finally wore through the eye dr and [TS]

  basically wore it down to a little [TS]

  numbing because we've been spinning it [TS]

  back and forth constantly entering all [TS]

  these 3 50 letters it actually worked [TS]

  really flawlessly and I thought that was [TS]

  awesome as well [TS]

  yeah and and reading speed limit thing [TS]

  like it there was never a time where [TS]

  things like I think twice it gets the [TS]

  wrong number or or interpret something [TS]

  that what that was supposed to interpret [TS]

  but like it's I mean it's even smart [TS]

  enough that a lot of the a lot of the [TS]

  roads there we'll have we'll have us a [TS]

  different speed limit if it's raining [TS]

  and and it's you know it's marked with a [TS]

  different sign will have like a speed [TS]

  limit sign and below a little rainy car [TS]

  sign it recognizes that and it checks in [TS]

  with the windshield wiper system and if [TS]

  the windshield wipers are on it will [TS]

  tell you that speed limit [TS]

  otherwise it'll keep the big speed limit [TS]

  i mean it's it's really crazy good [TS]

  so unexpectedly good anyway so it was [TS]

  really quite easy driving in foreign [TS]

  countries having both [TS]

  navigation system and the speed limit [TS]

  recognize her things so that there's [TS]

  rarely any doubt as to you know whether [TS]

  what I was doing was legal and what when [TS]

  where the heck we were going so that was [TS]

  that was quite nice technology certainly [TS]

  has made this kind of thing probably [TS]

  weighed easier LOL possibly less [TS]

  adventurous but but certainly way easier [TS]

  than it probably wasn't in the recent [TS]

  past [TS]

  well into that and one of us asked you [TS]

  or maybe you just shared it up of your [TS]

  own accord [TS]

  you know hey if this was 5 10 years ago [TS]

  navigation wasn't a normal thing would [TS]

  you have done the european delivery and [TS]

  and I mean that the time you had said [TS]

  yeah probably not [TS]

  yeah I probably wouldn't have you know [TS]

  because I would have been too [TS]

  intimidated to the drive-in unknown [TS]

  foreign countries especially where I [TS]

  have you know extremely limited to no [TS]

  communication abilities because it's not [TS]

  my home country and you know if I if I [TS]

  don't have a cell phone either [TS]

  forget about it but anyway so it was [TS]

  just a ridiculously awesome drive it's a [TS]

  ridiculously awesome car the autobahn is [TS]

  is so great and so much fun and you know [TS]

  to some extent it's just a highway you [TS]

  know and and a highway in one country [TS]

  and highway in another country they're [TS]

  in there they're mostly the same but I [TS]

  the experience of of seeing both both [TS]

  the quality of the roads and the quality [TS]

  of the drivers real and people in [TS]

  Germany think that there's a bunch of [TS]

  idiots on the road but trust me you you [TS]

  don't know that's trusting didn't know [TS]

  you don't [TS]

  so I mean the funny thing is i did not [TS]

  see not one instance of an idiot driver [TS]

  i saw some instances of people getting [TS]

  the left lane when I didn't think it was [TS]

  really necessary but it wasn't like [TS]

  people getting in the left lane and [TS]

  slowing down to 20 miles an hour it was [TS]

  people getting the left lane trying to [TS]

  pass when I wish they hadn't gotten in [TS]

  front of you you know was nothing it was [TS]

  nothing egregious and nothing terribly [TS]

  bad and I didn't see not one instance of [TS]

  anything that could even be mildly [TS]

  construed as road annoyance let alone [TS]

  let alone road rage [TS]

  yeah i don't think i saw this i mean if [TS]

  I caused any I didn't notice [TS]

  no i did not even just with you I mean [TS]

  just in general a lot of times when I'm [TS]

  driving on [TS]

  on a long trip like say to and from your [TS]

  guys's house you know you'll see people [TS]

  getting pissed off at each other and [TS]

  tailgating and waving their arms and so [TS]

  on and so forth and I saw none of that [TS]

  yeah it was the drivers were [TS]

  unbelievable yeah it was fantastic and [TS]

  and the roads are all at least the ones [TS]

  we drove on were just in fantastic shape [TS]

  and so that and that's why you know we [TS]

  we pose the question to ourselves and [TS]

  then later Twitter you know why can't [TS]

  the u.s. do this why can't the US have [TS]

  higher or no speed limits on many of its [TS]

  highways and we got a lot of good [TS]

  answers and I think part of the answer [TS]

  is just you know our roads our are often [TS]

  not in this good of shape I'm various [TS]

  you know vegetarian priority reasons . [TS]

  that's why are guys so cheap right let's [TS]

  get all those taxes on gasoline and go [TS]

  to pay for make the roads nice to drive [TS]

  LOL but we do have quite a bit of that [TS]

  and built into our prices but obviously [TS]

  not as much as they do I don't know that [TS]

  actually but I don't think it's as much [TS]

  as they do but so you know part of its [TS]

  just you know the roads they're the ones [TS]

  we were on where we're very well paved [TS]

  they weren't full of massive potholes or [TS]

  rough areas you know that they were [TS]

  really good shape and and part of its [TS]

  also just that the Dave it's always been [TS]

  this way for them or at least it's been [TS]

  this way for long enough with them so [TS]

  they're used to it you know I feel like [TS]

  if you if you took a section of the US [TS]

  and took some section of like you know I [TS]

  80 going through Pennsylvania which is [TS]

  basically the MPS road in the universe [TS]

  until it gets to ohio when it gets even [TS]

  emptier yeah someone's I have some [TS]

  experience with take you know the [TS]

  massive segments of i-80 where there is [TS]

  very little traffic and just very long [TS]

  stretches of mostly nothingness in a [TS]

  straight line you can easily safely go [TS]

  90 miles an hour on those easily and you [TS]

  can probably go faster than that in many [TS]

  many sections without really any major [TS]

  safety changes and so obviously that [TS]

  there are places in the US where we [TS]

  could do that and in Germany it's not [TS]

  that there's it's not that the highways [TS]

  never have speed limits [TS]

  just you know large sections of them [TS]

  will have no splits somebody on Twitter [TS]

  told me that roughly seventy percent of [TS]

  them have speed limits and so I'm not [TS]

  really sure how accurate that is you [TS]

  know one person told me that but that [TS]

  certainly seem to match up to what we [TS]

  saw [TS]

  what's interesting though is that their [TS]

  speed limit most the most common people [TS]

  but I saw there when it was limited was [TS]

  130 km/h which is roughly 85 miles an [TS]

  hour [TS]

  I hope that's right that's what the [TS]

  speed limit in 41 ok so i told me 50 s [TS]

  it round up to the nearest fire will [TS]

  also consider that I don't know about [TS]

  your BMW is all three of them at this [TS]

  particular moment but I'm I one BMW my [TS]

  pedestrian 1 B&W all kidding aside my [TS]

  speedometer seems to roll or seems to [TS]

  run about 45 miles an hour fast so 80 [TS]

  miles an hour in my car as 80 miles an [TS]

  hour indicated is act is about seventy [TS]

  six ish actual that's good i mean that's [TS]

  that's that's the way that's the direct [TS]

  if it's going to be an error you want to [TS]

  be in that direction [TS]

  I wonder if the the snow tires affected [TS]

  your speedo accuracy [TS]

  actually that's a good point well [TS]

  because they are BMWs official rims and [TS]

  tires and they have like you know custom [TS]

  pressure sensors and everything I would [TS]

  imagine the car has some way that's how [TS]

  that also this car isn't stock it runs [TS]

  19 inch wheels and the 20-inch wheels [TS]

  are an option so it's possible that it [TS]

  detects which one you're running order [TS]

  some kind of setting somewhere i'm not [TS]

  really sure but it's AII it's obvious [TS]

  it's made to run both of those sizes and [TS]

  presumably even if the circumference [TS]

  azhar different between 1920 the gps is [TS]

  going to be accurate [TS]

  regardless that's true but the party is [TS]

  entitled anyway so you know I'm one [TS]

  thing I thought was interesting too is [TS]

  in the areas where there was no speed [TS]

  limit i was paying attention to see how [TS]

  fast do people choose to go but I think [TS]

  that's an interesting question like okay [TS]

  if it's totally unlimited and you're [TS]

  only limits are you know practicality [TS]

  safety and fuel economy [TS]

  how fast do people generally choose to [TS]

  go and and it seemed like what I what I [TS]

  mostly saw four people going between 80 [TS]

  and 90 and it didn't really seem that [TS]

  fast it seemed normal [TS]

  everyone's going that same speed roughly [TS]

  and and and i mean that in miles of [TS]

  course and it just worked that was like [TS]

  that was like everyone's like kind of [TS]

  natural cruising speed on these roads [TS]

  they do that in Atlanta to but it [TS]

  doesn't feel so good [TS]

  well like you know here at you know most [TS]

  of the roads around here where the speed [TS]

  limit is 65 on the interstates I usually [TS]

  see people going about 75 to 80 that [TS]

  seems to be the average cruising speed [TS]

  on like the new york thruway and various [TS]

  large highways around here is roughly 75 [TS]

  to 80 and so it seems like you know it [TS]

  seems like we're already going almost [TS]

  that speed and it were just breaking the [TS]

  law is there and it's usually legal to [TS]

  do that speed that's an income source [TS]

  like it whenever you take a long trip [TS]

  everyone is cruising around 75 80 85 [TS]

  depending on the car but this is periods [TS]

  of time where everyone goes slow the way [TS]

  down and then you go past the cop and [TS]

  everyone's back up again writing sample [TS]

  dance that you do on your way to [TS]

  wherever you're going exactly what I [TS]

  also thought it was interesting because [TS]

  we were able to visit with a friend of [TS]

  Marco and tips and Marco ask this [TS]

  question to to his friend and she had [TS]

  said what did you say that she would do [TS]

  somewhere in the range of ninety to a [TS]

  hundred miles an hour is that right she [TS]

  said she would do up to about 180 [TS]

  kilometers so what does that miles about [TS]

  hundred that's i don't know i had 110 [TS]

  someone that anyway yeah so and yeah I [TS]

  think I think it's about 110 anyway [TS]

  regardless and and I found you know when [TS]

  I when I had no limit in this car that [TS]

  can very very easily do these speeds you [TS]

  know might the highest speed i reach [TS]

  that i noticed at least the highest-paid [TS]

  arias was about a hundred and forty-one [TS]

  and we actually have a picture of the [TS]

  speedometer thanks to its quick and it's [TS]

  a really good picture actually posted on [TS]

  Twitter few days ago so about a hundred [TS]

  forty-one with my highest i found that [TS]

  in the moment areas I [TS]

  is most comfortable going about 115 and [TS]

  a lot of that of course it was that was [TS]

  that the winter tires you know there was [TS]

  there's a good amount of vibration of [TS]

  those pieces that you can feel through [TS]

  the wheels i would imagine the summer [TS]

  tires would feel squishy here at those [TS]

  speeds and and therefore may be [TS]

  encouraged me to go even faster but you [TS]

  know there's it's not just you on the [TS]

  road there's all the other cars on the [TS]

  road and you know you don't want to you [TS]

  don't want to blow past somebody who's [TS]

  like at a stop in the next Lane you [TS]

  don't blow past them at 115 you know [TS]

  what if they cut out and go into your [TS]

  lane you want to leave yourself leave [TS]

  yourself good amount of safety overhead [TS]

  so I generally found it like you know [TS]

  with with all no limit stuff i would i [TS]

  would generally crews about 115 so you [TS]

  know we're not that far off from that [TS]

  here like you know it if we could if we [TS]

  could raise the speed limits here into [TS]

  the 85 range you know that that's that's [TS]

  not bad i don't want normal cars can't [TS]

  do that though like so many people Mars [TS]

  can't came 250 or shouldn't do anything [TS]

  they can they can hit that speed but it [TS]

  feels like the world's going to end well [TS]

  they should not be you shouldn't take [TS]

  your like none of my car that I own [TS]

  should I ever been going 215 and ever in [TS]

  any circumstance not because they can [TS]

  attain that speed but because it was [TS]

  like at that point that we will be [TS]

  shaking the steering will feel like it's [TS]

  disconnected from the road and like a [TS]

  fit any second . it's not I mean cars it [TS]

  that's the guy's a big problem i think [TS]

  the the at maybe it's I don't know the [TS]

  system status but every time I see [TS]

  pictures of Europe and stuff people seem [TS]

  to have not nicer cars not bigger cars [TS]

  not more powerful cars but like either [TS]

  better maintained or newer looking cars [TS]

  because I see lots of giant rusted-out [TS]

  hunk of junk cars around here that they [TS]

  shouldn't even be going 80 let alone [TS]

  hundred something do you have state [TS]

  inspections there and are they very true [TS]

  but it's not a scam i mean you know like [TS]

  anyway I i look at cars in the room like [TS]

  there's no way that that estimate but it [TS]

  . you know you just find the guy who [TS]

  will you know Brian inspection thing or [TS]

  you just just don't get inspected and [TS]

  just you know [TS]

  press your locking although the one [TS]

  thing i will say isn't this might all be [TS]

  in my head but especially when we were [TS]

  in the cities like with in Munich I feel [TS]

  like the the emissions regulations in [TS]

  your [TS]

  must be considerably less strict than [TS]

  America because I felt like everywhere I [TS]

  went I smelled exhaust and I don't know [TS]

  Marco did you notice that as well but [TS]

  there was yeah it was more certainly [TS]

  more than I smell here [TS]

  right exactly where you'd like it isn't [TS]

  a diesel their diesel standards are not [TS]

  as crazy as our switches way you'll get [TS]

  away with driving diesel so some [TS]

  combination of lower standards for [TS]

  diesel admission and way way more [TS]

  diesels gives you you know exactly and [TS]

  that's also why a lot of the great [TS]

  diesel models can't make it over to the [TS]

  US because they don't pass our [TS]

  certifications and it's not worth the [TS]

  manufacturers you know doing what it [TS]

  takes to pass them for the for the few [TS]

  Americans who by diesels [TS]

  so anyway yeah I didn't decide and [TS]

  that's weird because you would expect [TS]

  Europe to have more strict standards and [TS]

  i was like i usually how it works with [TS]

  environmental stuff but but in this case [TS]

  they actually yeah it I i did notice [TS]

  that that was definitely odd but anyway [TS]

  so and and I i should say too if anyone [TS]

  is interested in this topic [TS]

  who knows if you are if you're not sorry [TS]

  driving 140 and at these speeds that [TS]

  high on a road that's made to be driven [TS]

  fairly fast I isn't really that it [TS]

  doesn't really feel that crazy it feels [TS]

  it feels intense to some degree like [TS]

  it's more it's more exhausting of your [TS]

  concentration and it's more mentally [TS]

  exhausting because you are going so much [TS]

  faster [TS]

  you know you're going so much faster you [TS]

  need to concentrate harder on keeping [TS]

  the car straight and steady cut and and [TS]

  making sure you don't hit anything or [TS]

  making sure you're minimizing your [TS]

  chances of hitting somebody else like i [TS]

  said earlier you know you gotta get a [TS]

  wonder like somebody if i'm passing [TS]

  somebody and I'm going 30 miles an hour [TS]

  faster than they are you know what [TS]

  happens if they decide to quickly change [TS]

  in my land they don't see how fashion [TS]

  coming up you know and what you know do [TS]

  i will have time to see that and slow [TS]

  down etc so those kind of considerations [TS]

  make it more stressful and more mentally [TS]

  draining but that's really the extent of [TS]

  it like if you're in a car [TS]

  made for that or at least if your car is [TS]

  not rattling and falling apart at those [TS]

  speeds that for me is what I find to be [TS]

  the biggest challenge was just just [TS]

  mentally keeping up with it and but [TS]

  otherwise it was it was quite awesome [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah and it was interesting to be in the [TS]

  backseat while this was going on because [TS]

  to be honest the difference between [TS]

  American highway speeds and unlimited [TS]

  autobahn speeds was that the wind was [TS]

  louder other than Nick there at it [TS]

  really didn't seem that different and in [TS]

  fact when we slowed down to American [TS]

  highway speeds [TS]

  I felt like we were doing like 30 miles [TS]

  an hour it felt so low it's crucial it [TS]

  was it was terrible from the backseat [TS]

  and I mean it let's be honest if I was [TS]

  going to choose a car to be in the [TS]

  backseat of it i would choose a car with [TS]

  rear heated seats with rear dual-zone [TS]

  climate with an engine that had infinite [TS]

  power from any RPM in any gear [TS]

  I mean it was it was it was a lovely [TS]

  place to be [TS]

  even in the backseat and I mean it's [TS]

  it's an incredible vehicle you know I [TS]

  don't want to hurt too much on it [TS]

  because i know we're gonna get ahold of [TS]

  people who think I'm a total for buy an [TS]

  expensive car and and that's that's [TS]

  warranted i am told and I apologize for [TS]

  being a total but oh well now i can't do [TS]

  anything about it now as well but so you [TS]

  know I don't hurt too much on the car [TS]

  but it is a ridiculously great car and [TS]

  it has totally ruined my 3 series by a [TS]

  long shot now coming back to a totally [TS]

  ruin that car and and i like that car a [TS]

  lot to have you driven the 1m since the [TS]

  trip [TS]

  I in fact I driver today for the first [TS]

  time and how was that you know it was [TS]

  interesting it was first of all it it [TS]

  was not ruined by the m5 I'm good [TS]

  I I still I still love driving it [TS]

  however it still is and i even thought [TS]

  briefly during the ride [TS]

  you know maybe I should try to keep it [TS]

  somehow and keep it with the m5 and keep [TS]

  having three cars but as much as I [TS]

  because it is it is an incredible [TS]

  american amount amount of power the m5 [TS]

  has more power [TS]

  but the the 1m is an incredible amount [TS]

  of power in a very small nimble car and [TS]

  the m5 is many things but it is not [TS]

  small and and so I thought briefly you [TS]

  know I should really maybe consider this [TS]

  but then when I went over the other half [TS]

  of the trip that the way home was so [TS]

  incredibly rough and bumpy from the [TS]

  terrible roads here and the 1m is really [TS]

  really firm and so to go over rough you [TS]

  know rough potholes and stuff an old [TS]

  pavement it is pretty uncomfortable on [TS]

  the one hand and and going over that I [TS]

  realize you know what a I i think you [TS]

  know it it is a great car had so much [TS]

  fun with it but as i've mentioned in [TS]

  previous shows having three cars is [TS]

  greatly annoying to me or you know [TS]

  having two primaries myself is greatly [TS]

  annoying to me and it has many small and [TS]

  large annoyances every single day and [TS]

  it's just as great of cars it is it's [TS]

  not worth it to me if I if I have [TS]

  something as awesome as the m5 it's not [TS]

  worth it to me so I'm going to sell it [TS]

  anyway so I forget we also wanted to go [TS]

  with oh yes so the other place we went [TS]

  with the m5 so so we did we did we get [TS]

  our trip around Europe and it was a [TS]

  blast [TS]

  one of the places we stopped was to [TS]

  visit our friend in bond and bond is [TS]

  only about 45 minutes from newburgh and [TS]

  most people listen to the show have [TS]

  probably heard of a track in nürnberg [TS]

  now whatever you think of the [TS]

  Nurburgring and of cars you know being [TS]

  made for it and being optimized for it [TS]

  and the kinds of people who drive the [TS]

  Nurburgring i would suggest if you ever [TS]

  have a chance to do it if you're ever in [TS]

  the area with a car that you can drive [TS]

  on or if you want to rent one that which [TS]

  they have services that you can rent [TS]

  cars to drive on the rink [TS]

  I cannot recommend it highly enough [TS]

  and so here the Nurburgring is not [TS]

  explained very well no it is not that we [TS]

  so we we went I went to the Nurburgring [TS]

  site and found its address and GPS [TS]

  coordinates and so I find a dress and [TS]

  touching the gps I had a great turns out [TS]

  that the Nurburgring I knew it was two [TS]

  tracks there's like the Grand Prix one [TS]

  and then I'm so sorry for the [TS]

  pronunciation the North she'll if I [TS]

  don't know that's when people refer to [TS]

  the Nurburgring they're usually [TS]

  referring to the north left which is [TS]

  like the the long 13-mile very twisty [TS]

  turny track i wasn't mean like North [TS]

  circuit or something like that or [TS]

  something like that yeah actually that [TS]

  makes it ok anyway so the place called [TS]

  nürburgring on the GPS system was for [TS]

  the grand prix circuit it was like it [TS]

  was this giant like info building and [TS]

  like gift shop and bought this stuff for [TS]

  the grand prix rollercoaster yeah [TS]

  exactly what it was like a little mini [TS]

  theme park so we got week [TS]

  it took us a good 45 minutes to find the [TS]

  to find out how to get the little credit [TS]

  card thing that lets you onto the track [TS]

  and then define the entrance to the [TS]

  track we had like running and ask people [TS]

  it was it was a it was comical we we [TS]

  barely made it in time to get any laps [TS]

  in and they're only open for like two [TS]

  hours at night on weekdays for to the [TS]

  public the rest like the whole day [TS]

  they're booked by private people and [TS]

  they're open they're open to the public [TS]

  and the evenings and none of the posted [TS]

  times were accurate like the website so [TS]

  they were open from five to 530-730 [TS]

  turns out they're open from 5 15 7 15 [TS]

  and the and the ticket office closes at [TS]

  five like there's all sorts of little [TS]

  crazy crazy little like gotchas in the [TS]

  process and all you have to get you to [TS]

  get the ring card from this machine but [TS]

  that machine's broken or that mission is [TS]

  closed and then you get the ring card [TS]

  you put the money in the ring card but [TS]

  your credit card because the interface [TS]

  sucks and I knew he finally got the [TS]

  money on the credit card and you go try [TS]

  to pull up and get into the ring but you [TS]

  didn't get the money into laps you go to [TS]

  a different machine for the [TS]

  it was it was comical to John's point I [TS]

  think Johnny would ask early on when did [TS]

  things go wrong things went very wrong [TS]

  at the nürburgring yeah and and not [TS]

  currently not in the collision sense but [TS]

  in the sense of just trying to find it [TS]

  and get on it was they were you trying [TS]

  to get on the the formula one short [TS]

  thing or the build a big thing the big [TS]

  liar and a long one and it was just it [TS]

  was impossibly poorly supplied named [TS]

  there was an assumption that you knew [TS]

  what you were doing before you even got [TS]

  there right [TS]

  it was just it was not well done which [TS]

  maybe is why they're bank robbers it [TS]

  isn't does not noob friendly at all no [TS]

  although I will say it was pretty it was [TS]

  a pretty good sign when we decided to [TS]

  fuel up before the Nurburgring which I [TS]

  know all the real racecar drivers like [TS]

  Jesus Christ why did you do that right [TS]

  before you went on the track but we [TS]

  wanted to make sure we have enough gas [TS]

  and so we pulled into this gas station [TS]

  and i think i tweeted a picture of like [TS]

  six or seven different Porsches a [TS]

  Ferrari of some flavor I john i'm sorry [TS]

  i don't recall what it was there was a 1 [TS]

  series am like 22 spots down there must [TS]

  laminating east and now it was really [TS]

  really i didn't see I don't but it [TS]

  doesn't matter the point is that was [TS]

  like one or two million dollars with the [TS]

  cars at this like kind of junky gasps [TS]

  very small gas to hit I had like six [TS]

  pumps you know it's not exactly [TS]

  yeah so it was crazy but anyway so [TS]

  eventually Marco in in tiffin Darren and [TS]

  I figure out how to get onto the ring [TS]

  yeah and so Marco of course goes first [TS]

  yeah and and it was you know we were [TS]

  prepped early on by by lots of our [TS]

  various internet friends and i had [TS]

  actually I had purchased I think for [TS]

  staff or whatever xbox racing game has [TS]

  the Nurburgring in it and it's fairly [TS]

  recent I think it's 44 I don't know much [TS]

  about those those uh so sorry if I got [TS]

  it wrong but i purchased this game like [TS]

  three months ago knowing I was going to [TS]

  try to drive the Nurburgring just to try [TS]

  to train myself on a little bit just to [TS]

  familiarize myself with the track just [TS]

  to know you know what turns are coming [TS]

  up and and and I at the time i posted on [TS]

  Twitter first asking you know what game [TS]

  I should get to do this and then you [TS]

  know later on just seeing responses from [TS]

  people asking how it was going and [TS]

  by far the most common response i got [TS]

  after got through all the people [TS]

  fighting over whether granturismo or [TS]

  Forza was the better game to get because [TS]

  i have a ps3 and so I said okay I can do [TS]

  either of these systems you know what [TS]

  should i get oh my god don't don't ask [TS]

  about video game rivalries on Twitter it [TS]

  is so so unhelpful but it anyway [TS]

  the most common response i got besides [TS]

  that was don't even bother it won't help [TS]

  you at all because this track has like [TS]

  70-something turns you're not going to [TS]

  learn from the video game it people who [TS]

  drive it every day for years don't know [TS]

  it like it you know it don't even bother [TS]

  is it is what these people usually said [TS]

  and and overall I can say that was [TS]

  exactly correct that all my videogame [TS]

  training for this track was completely [TS]

  unhelpful in real life of course in real [TS]

  life it's way easier than a video game [TS]

  because you know you're controlling a [TS]

  real car just way easier than driving a [TS]

  videogame car of course the penalties [TS]

  are hired to hit the law but overall I [TS]

  it was awesome it would we were scared [TS]

  out of our minds and we didn't drive [TS]

  very fast i think we we didn't measure [TS]

  most Alaskans with another thing people [TS]

  said online was don't even bother time [TS]

  your laughs because then it will [TS]

  encourage you to go faster and you don't [TS]

  need that kind of encouragement your [TS]

  first time to bring in your own car and [TS]

  that was also very wise so we did not [TS]

  time our laps except for Casey stuck in [TS]

  a time of the last lap I wish that which [TS]

  was about 15 minutes and it felt we had [TS]

  passengers in the car for every lap [TS]

  obviously we're driving it feels [TS]

  different when you're a passenger that [TS]

  you can kind of get an idea for you know [TS]

  how how well you're doing and and it [TS]

  seemed like all the last week is roughly [TS]

  the same time ring so I think we all [TS]

  managed about 15-minute laps but what I [TS]

  was very happy with but so anyway 111 [TS]

  problem we had was okay we got there and [TS]

  there was like an hour and a half left [TS]

  of time the track was open and we had [TS]

  four people and we knew we wanted to at [TS]

  least two laps at least me and casey and [TS]

  the wires were both kind of on the fence [TS]

  whether they wanted to do it or not they [TS]

  were a wait-and-see and so [TS]

  I did my lap it was ridiculous it was [TS]

  how it was so awesome and again you know [TS]

  we're doing like 15 minutes we weren't [TS]

  even going that fast [TS]

  you know I think most of the time we [TS]

  were going maybe 50 miles an hour [TS]

  through a lot of the terms and through a [TS]

  lot of the sections or or less you know [TS]

  I went faster on the Autobahn really [TS]

  like my top speed of the Nurburgring [TS]

  that big straight away at the end was [TS]

  like 120 you know I'd like I haven't [TS]

  passed on the Autobahn did on the [TS]

  Nurburgring by the the lap record for [TS]

  the long track is six minutes 11 seconds [TS]

  yeah to give you an idea of how fast the [TS]

  crazy fast people are going right and i [TS]

  think i think people in this exact car i [TS]

  think they've done it in like 7 55 or [TS]

  seven something in in the seven-minute [TS]

  range but regardless doesn't matter you [TS]

  know we were we were doing it to do it [TS]

  not to get a good time on it where there [TS]

  are other people on the track who were [TS]

  going really fast that you had to get [TS]

  out of the way of the that we lucked out [TS]

  though that it wasn't very crowded they [TS]

  were there weren't that many cars i [TS]

  would say for each 15-minute lap we were [TS]

  probably passed by it maybe 10 people at [TS]

  most i wasn't it wasn't a large number [TS]

  and there were a lot of people there [TS]

  did you see any super exotics I'm not [TS]

  really they were there were a lot of [TS]

  porsche 911 and out of them a few m [TS]

  threes and a couple of little hot [TS]

  hatches that I didn't recognize there [TS]

  was a Corvette yeah there's one Corvette [TS]

  I don't know why that is anyone but it [TS]

  was exotic 01 its kind of exotic to see [TS]

  what not only think it was a zr1 I [TS]

  didn't get a good look [TS]

  we were surprised to see in Germany and [TS]

  and there was one really decked out [TS]

  lexus is-f that was just being obviously [TS]

  being driven by somebody there either [TS]

  very good or very stupid i think [TS]

  probably just very good because that car [TS]

  passed us faster than any car we saw [TS]

  that it got there is a factory test [TS]

  driver [TS]

  no but I think I got a picture of it and [TS]

  it was actually a rental car so wow I [TS]

  don't like I believe i might be wrong [TS]

  about this it was an orange is f and it [TS]

  was our very last lap which is when [TS]

  Aaron was driving and it it was followed [TS]

  reasonably closely by modern m3 but just [TS]

  like Marco said [TS]

  far away in my opinion the quickest [TS]

  thing that passed us was that is f it [TS]

  blew our doors off and again like Marco [TS]

  said it's important to know that we were [TS]

  I I can only speak for myself but I was [TS]

  driving it like five tenths because a [TS]

  it's a card never been in be I've never [TS]

  driven on a track before see it's still [TS]

  under break-in you know I don't win [TS]

  indeed it's on winter tires i mean it [TS]

  was it was a confluence of reasons not [TS]

  to drive like an idiot and in especially [TS]

  I don't want Marco to never talk to me [TS]

  again after i wrapped his m5 around a [TS]

  pole because I drove like a moron right [TS]

  so now I mean we were all driving like [TS]

  grandma's but it was still one of the [TS]

  coolest experiences I've ever had in my [TS]

  intent and what made it great to is it [TS]

  all four of us drove me and Casey drove [TS]

  and both our wives drove and and KN 0 KC [TS]

  case your wife is a pretty confident [TS]

  driver [TS]

  my wife is is medium confidence you know [TS]

  not not especially confident about [TS]

  driving but not you know not scared just [TS]

  right in the middle is which one of you [TS]

  felt the least inhibited you would think [TS]

  Marco at least interview sites his car [TS]

  you can do whatever you want to but on [TS]

  the other hand it's his card maybe baby [TS]

  it so I was thinking that uh before [TS]

  hearing that yeah tiff is kind of a [TS]

  timid driver that she would be the one [TS]

  most willing to flog it because hey it's [TS]

  not her car and if she breaks it was [TS]

  gonna do [TS]

  tiff actually had i measured are times i [TS]

  bet she did a faster lap than I did [TS]

  because she she took some of the terms [TS]

  faster than I was willing to because i [TS]

  had i did the first lap and and so when [TS]

  I was driving it we didn't know what to [TS]

  expect with things like other people [TS]

  being on the track things like track [TS]

  conditions like there's one part of the [TS]

  track that had snow on the shoulder [TS]

  because it was in the shade and you know [TS]

  anyway like there were no we don't know [TS]

  what the conditions would be we didn't [TS]

  know what it would be you know how it be [TS]

  in real life we didn't know if it would [TS]

  be full of crazy motorcyclists or [TS]

  anything we had no idea and so my lap [TS]

  was the very first lap so I was overly [TS]

  cautious i think and I'm very I'm [TS]

  perfectly fine having having done that [TS]

  like I lost grip for a split second on [TS]

  one turn and that was the only time I [TS]

  lost grip [TS]

  at all and I don't I didn't notice [TS]

  anyone i was in the car for all four [TS]

  laps i didn't notice anyone else losing [TS]

  me grip but that all the the electric [TS]

  nannies are on the right yes [TS]

  oh yeah i would not I i know that's [TS]

  probably tip terrible for purest I [TS]

  didn't even use the M dynamic mode that [TS]

  the M cars have to allow a little bit of [TS]

  sleep and then get back on track [TS]

  I didn't even turn that on because I [TS]

  knew like you know what this is because [TS]

  I we were also told by our friend and i [TS]

  think this is true that insurance [TS]

  doesn't really apply if something [TS]

  happens to you on the Nurburgring so and [TS]

  more than that if we bust the ring it's [TS]

  on us to fix it yet like they bill us to [TS]

  fix it you have you like if you hit the [TS]

  wall though the ability to repair the [TS]

  wall its oh but I mean obviously [TS]

  preparing your car's probably more money [TS]

  than that so you know we were we were [TS]

  nervous you know I was nervous because [TS]

  of unfamiliarity with this and not want [TS]

  to wreck my car and everyone else was [TS]

  nervous to not wrecked my car [TS]

  pickens oh very much so its eggs except [TS]

  for every tip well she was new it was [TS]

  funny because Aaron went last it was it [TS]

  was Marco than me then [TS]

  tifton Aaron and I actually feel to my [TS]

  to my butt dyno as they say I actually [TS]

  feel like erin was the one that drove [TS]

  hardest in I don't know if that's [TS]

  because i was in the front for that lap [TS]

  and so I could see it a little better [TS]

  whereas i thought i don't know i was [TS]

  looking for you were to confer tips left [TS]

  i wasn't in the car for I was not in the [TS]

  car for tips lap so i can't speak for [TS]

  how hard she was driving but i think [TS]

  both Tiffany and had the benefit of [TS]

  having been through at least one or two [TS]

  laps before your hands athlete and I [TS]

  think you would have driven a lot harder [TS]

  i don't know if i had the the cojones to [TS]

  drive any harder than i did and i drove [TS]

  like a grandmother i'll be the first to [TS]

  admit it but I there a couple times [TS]

  where I reached for my my break in the [TS]

  passenger seat when Aaron was driving [TS]

  and I don't undergo good way i mean i [TS]

  thought i was very proud of her i was [TS]

  very excited for how well she did their [TS]

  minds are reaching for a stick shift [TS]

  occasionally more pressing your left [TS]

  foot down [TS]

  I did not actually i think when i [TS]

  started the car i put my foot on the [TS]

  clutch exactly was not much but other [TS]

  than that I didn't [TS]

  and again I mean at this point now I'm I [TS]

  have driven the m5 and i would still [TS]

  personally love to have a clutch it's [TS]

  slower it's clunkier but it's just more [TS]

  involved with that said and I'm a [TS]

  butcher the simpsons quote you know it I [TS]

  for one welcome our future dct overlords [TS]

  I mean I i never thought i'd say this [TS]

  but if if the m5 transmission is where [TS]

  our future is I'll be sad but I'll be [TS]

  okay with it is really unbelievably [TS]

  incredibly awesomely great i cannot say [TS]

  enough good things about it and by all [TS]

  accounts the stick on the m5 is not a [TS]

  good stick correct by any standards let [TS]

  alone BMW standards well yeah I'm not [TS]

  really much of a choice there yet [TS]

  I mean I saw the reviews have all pretty [TS]

  much pan the m5 stick but they they seem [TS]

  to pan it in in relation to the dct I [TS]

  mean it is it isn't that it's a bad [TS]

  stick is that he seems like a good it [TS]

  seems like it's a bad stick like that [TS]

  you know it [TS]

  I especially when you're reading [TS]

  magazines that are enthusiastic [TS]

  magazines let's say look we know its [TS]

  lower whatever we find more trouble [TS]

  they're like we don't find it more fun [TS]

  to drive like so there's no reason to [TS]

  get this DVD is better and all these [TS]

  other ways and this isn't even more fun [TS]

  it's it's dino to chor beyond the on the [TS]

  prior m5 whose model designation I don't [TS]

  recall but the v10 m5 everything i read [TS]

  was that the standard transmission which [TS]

  by the way for both that car in Marcos [TS]

  f10 is only available in America [TS]

  everyone said on the prior general that [TS]

  the standard transmission was very [TS]

  poorly suited for the v10 engine and I [TS]

  never really looked into why that was [TS]

  and so I I couldn't even tell you but [TS]

  they said it was a bad combination i [TS]

  guess the gearing was bad as paired with [TS]

  that engine and I don't know if thats [TS]

  related for for the f10 like Marco has [TS]

  but I tell you what that that [TS]

  transmission was incredible in and [TS]

  driving the Nurburgring was just [TS]

  unbelievably awesome and I'm so thankful [TS]

  that that we're all late that any of us [TS]

  were able to do what I would've been [TS]

  happy if Marco did it and said to us you [TS]

  know what new we gotta go but thankfully [TS]

  he was dumb enough to hand me the keys [TS]

  figuratively speaking and then dumb [TS]

  enough to I can't speak for tiff but to [TS]

  hand Aaron the keys as well and that's [TS]

  not insulting her driving just I mean [TS]

  it's one thing to have your wife destroy [TS]

  your brand-new car it's another thing to [TS]

  have [TS]

  friend or your friend's wife to strike [TS]

  and destroy your brand new car so I it [TS]

  was it was phenomenal and it was funny [TS]

  because to in market was starting to say [TS]

  this earlier but it was kinda like hmm i [TS]

  don't know if i want to go right and you [TS]

  and she actually so I want first thing [TS]

  case you want to prolong from my lap got [TS]

  very intimidated and set out for casey's [TS]

  lap and what made her get back in and [TS]

  decided she wanted to do it is that she [TS]

  saw the kind of car that we're getting [TS]

  on the track and it wasn't just all [TS]

  crazy racer nuts [TS]

  it was like families and people with [TS]

  like car seats in their car and I think [TS]

  really regular people just getting on to [TS]

  have some fun you know and not to drive [TS]

  crazily and she could also see like how [TS]

  relatively few cars are getting on the [TS]

  track and so it was it was not crowded [TS]

  committed very very friendly towards [TS]

  newbies and and even know when somebody [TS]

  crazy wants to pass you [TS]

  there's etiquette you could use signal [TS]

  right and you slowly and you stay to the [TS]

  right and that tells them [TS]

  ok I'm let you pass me and they pass you [TS]

  and I said it's really easy and and so [TS]

  like it's not really a problem that [TS]

  there's different skill levels and [TS]

  different speeds going on and at least [TS]

  we were there there was really nobody [TS]

  being like unsafely crazy i mean i know [TS]

  that happens but we saw in a state that [TS]

  it was extremely newbie friendly once [TS]

  you could figure out where the heck the [TS]

  entranceways people in the other nice [TS]

  thing was well we had all decided about [TS]

  a hundred yards into marcos lap that hey [TS]

  you know what we'll do is anyone who is [TS]

  not driving will at least periodically [TS]

  look behind us and start to let the [TS]

  driver know there's somebody approaching [TS]

  us 15 seconds ten seconds five seconds [TS]

  alright get right and that helped me i [TS]

  can't speak for anyone else but it [TS]

  helped me a lot a lot because because [TS]

  this way you don't have to worry about [TS]

  what's behind you all you care about is [TS]

  what's in front of you and just like [TS]

  Marco said the etiquette is you if [TS]

  you're going to get past you stay to the [TS]

  right [TS]

  even if that's the inside line you [TS]

  signal to the right as an indicator to [TS]

  the person behind you I understand [TS]

  you're here and you're going to pass me [TS]

  and then the other thing i noticed which [TS]

  I hadn't heard advanced was a lot of [TS]

  times they would signal to the left as [TS]

  kind of a confirmation as a gon [TS]

  that they've seen you seeing them which [TS]

  is silly as that sounds was actually [TS]

  also really really helpful to see and [TS]

  know that everyone is in agreement [TS]

  you're about to get your doors blown off [TS]

  but you know if you stick to the right [TS]

  side of the track everyone will be ok [TS]

  right and and people who are who are [TS]

  good / crazy enough to go around the [TS]

  track really fast they're accustomed to [TS]

  passing people all the time because they [TS]

  have to you know because that's because [TS]

  there's always going to be you know that [TS]

  no matter what speed you go you're going [TS]

  to pass you will accept us i don't think [TS]

  we have to pass anybody entire time I [TS]

  don't think any of us did go out again I [TS]

  wasn't with tiff but i don't think i'm [TS]

  pretty sure we didn't press my stomach [TS]

  and there were a lot of really really [TS]

  comparatively crummy cars that passed us [TS]

  like a lot of it yet case you got passed [TS]

  by what we what we charitably are [TS]

  calling a crossover but it was a minivan [TS]

  it really is that is not a lie and I'm [TS]

  okay with it because again I'm just so [TS]

  thankful that we were able to do it i am [TS]

  so thankful that not a one of us wrapped [TS]

  marcos car around a pole [TS]

  I'm also thankful for so yeah I mean it [TS]

  was we should wrap it up pretty soon but [TS]

  i think it was it was an incredible [TS]

  experience doing european delivery [TS]

  driving this particular car especially [TS]

  and and being on these roads being on [TS]

  the Autobahn be a driving in the Alps [TS]

  being you know going to the Nurburgring [TS]

  and it was it was just incredible and if [TS]

  you have if you're already buying a new [TS]

  BMW which I recognize that's that's a [TS]

  big barrier but if you're if you're [TS]

  buying financing or leasing a new BMW [TS]

  that is produced in Europe which rules [TS]

  out i believe the x3 and x5 but [TS]

  regardless I you know if if you can do [TS]

  this i highly recommend that you do and [TS]

  your own what you almost did the ferris [TS]

  bueller quote almost will give you [TS]

  partial credit [TS]

  haha if you have the means i highly [TS]

  suggest that I mean it's fun it's really [TS]

  a no cost wise the higher-end car you [TS]

  buy the more money you saved as the [TS]

  percentage in many cases it can cover [TS]

  most or all of the cost of the trip just [TS]

  the savings alone so [TS]

  you so if you have the time and if [TS]

  you're willing to go out here and do [TS]

  this it's almost a no-brainer and [TS]

  certainly you know because this this [TS]

  cars gonna be a lease if I don't buy it [TS]

  at the end of the lease and I if I if I [TS]

  decide to leave something else if i'm [TS]

  still buy a BMW 3 years I would almost [TS]

  certainly do this again and it's really [TS]

  quite good and I think aaron and i will [TS]

  invite ourselves along whether or not [TS]

  we're welcome and it was funny because [TS]

  the so that we did the Nurburgring on [TS]

  Thursday Friday basically all we needed [TS]

  to do is get to Munich and then saturday [TS]

  we drop the car off and left and i think [TS]

  doing the Nurburgring at the tail into [TS]

  the trip and doing it the way we did we [TS]

  were very lucky because you know the [TS]

  trip was already really fun and I and I [TS]

  can only speak friend and I but we were [TS]

  having a really good time but I feel [TS]

  like all four of us once we once we got [TS]

  out of the driver's seat of that car [TS]

  just were on this unbelievable high and [TS]

  it was such a wonderful incredible [TS]

  experience even without the Nurburgring [TS]

  i agree that European deliveries worth [TS]

  it's cool it's a once-in-a-lifetime [TS]

  opportunity but having done the [TS]

  Nurburgring especially even driving it [TS]

  like a ninety-year-old it was so [TS]

  phenomenally awesome and I felt like all [TS]

  of us were on such a high I'm still [TS]

  there you know it's been almost a week [TS]

  now later it was the most one of the [TS]

  most incredible things I've ever done [TS]

  and then after the Nurburgring we would [TS]

  we stayed at this wonderful [TS]

  bed-and-breakfast not far from there and [TS]

  then we went to this really nice hotel [TS]

  in Munich that was right near the [TS]

  airport and just kind of children and [TS]

  had some time with each other and it was [TS]

  it was really phenomenal and then I'm so [TS]

  glad that mark . if you're dumb enough [TS]

  to invite me along i'm sure they [TS]

  probably have invited aaron anyway but [TS]

  infidel enough to invite me along [TS]

  you ready for your life but not you yeah [TS]

  I wouldn't fault you never next one [TS]

  anyway but no okay i mean it would [TS]

  surely it was an unbelievable experience [TS]

  i'm a little sad that John you weren't [TS]

  there but as well but you know it is [TS]

  what it is i don't believe in vacations [TS]

  are traveling that I was really hoping [TS]

  that we that we would see John and his [TS]

  civic on the Nurburgring i was i was [TS]

  going to post a picture take a picture [TS]

  of my speedo when I was traveling on the [TS]

  the road [TS]

  that runs along the river on my way to [TS]

  work where the speed limit is 30 and [TS]

  there's a police officer there every [TS]

  single day [TS]

  that's what I think a picture me having [TS]

  it pinned at 30 which I can do like now [TS]

  you know without even looking at the [TS]

  speedometer as i slowly go down which [TS]

  would actually fun it would actually be [TS]

  a fun road to drive quickly and it's [TS]

  kind of windy it's just a little tiny [TS]

  strip but yeah that that's what i was [TS]

  doing keeping it exactly 30 [TS]

  well if it makes you feel better we got [TS]

  to JFK got a taxi after leaving JFK and [TS]

  promptly did five miles an hour on [TS]

  I don't remember what road we were on [TS]

  but it was it was sobering yeah it does [TS]

  who's welcome back to the US and screw [TS]

  you that I was it was bad a couple of [TS]

  quick notes that i just want to share [TS]

  because i know we it i'm very pleased to [TS]

  say it seems like we have a decent [TS]

  amount of European listeners and [TS]

  oftentimes when they're not correcting [TS]

  us about how wrong we are about Europe [TS]

  which is pretty much all the time [TS]

  surely they hold and deservedly so yeah [TS]

  they've often asked you what you were [TS]

  certainly since we were there what do [TS]

  you think what did you joy what did you [TS]

  what did you think about everything I [TS]

  know that I was very stressed about [TS]

  whether or not people speak english and [TS]

  i think i speak for everyone saying that [TS]

  I found in my personal opinion that [TS]

  everywhere we went [TS]

  almost everyone spoke at least [TS]

  conversational English in my experience [TS]

  of usually people that apologize [TS]

  profusely for how bad their English was [TS]

  were effectively fluent in English it [TS]

  was hysterical that was the bells of I'm [TS]

  so sorry it was so bad after they've [TS]

  talked you know an entire paragraph in [TS]

  perfect flawless English yep better than [TS]

  mark over me or wives but it was better [TS]

  than many Americans yep everything was [TS]

  extremely clean with the exception of [TS]

  the exhaust that we talked about earlier [TS]

  and that wasn't a good that was a smell [TS]

  issue not a not a visual issue [TS]

  everything was unbelievably clean the [TS]

  hofbrau house in Munich it's one of the [TS]

  beer gardens probably most famous beer [TS]

  garden in munich even as a non beer [TS]

  drinker that was unbelievably fun and [TS]

  cool and Indian whose need to meet [TS]

  people from all different countries and [TS]

  in walks of life there i mean i really [TS]

  had an unbelievable time and I would [TS]

  absolutely go back and I can't agree [TS]

  more with Marco that if you have [TS]

  the means i highly suggest trying it is [TS]

  unbelievably fund and you know it's for [TS]

  an American as you said it's it's an [TS]

  easy place to go because English is so [TS]

  widely spoken and you can get along with [TS]

  knowing almost no German at all and you [TS]

  know you can you can learn you'll pick [TS]

  up a few phrases or a few words like [TS]

  from road signs and stuff but you know [TS]

  you can you can get around without it [TS]

  and and I mean the foot we we didn't [TS]

  have I don't think we had a single bad [TS]

  meal we were there and definitely that [TS]

  an inmate in a wide variety of like [TS]

  hotels and restaurants and and different [TS]

  places [TS]

  the food is just really incredibly good [TS]

  and you know like II think now like [TS]

  today i bought a bag of pretzels and and [TS]

  I know it's because I'm I'm trying so [TS]

  hard to recreate one aspect of the food [TS]

  that I like so much their actions the [TS]

  breakfast pretzel chat which you can't [TS]

  find these in the u.s. that you just [TS]

  can't find a pretzel that good but like [TS]

  you know no one in the US ever is like [TS]

  Oh what kind of food you want tonight [TS]

  italian mexican how about German I know [TS]

  I never no one ever thinks of that is [TS]

  like one of the one of the common [TS]

  restaurant ethnicity targets 222 want if [TS]

  you're going out for dinner but but man [TS]

  it's really good and I think it's a [TS]

  shame that we don't have more german [TS]

  food coming over here and being served [TS]

  here because it is just so good and that [TS]

  was a yes so food is great that people [TS]

  were great everyone's in there so friend [TS]

  extracting the gentleman at the coffee [TS]

  shop the the four of us were theorizing [TS]

  about things to do i think this was our [TS]

  first stator sunday and there was a [TS]

  gentleman that was sitting seated at the [TS]

  table next to us who was and i would say [TS]

  eavesdropping by any stretch it's just [TS]

  we were within three feet of him so he [TS]

  couldn't have not listened and so we [TS]

  were talking about what you what should [TS]

  we do tomorrow when he took it upon [TS]

  himself in the most polite and kind way [TS]

  possible to have like a 20-minute [TS]

  conversation with us about what we [TS]

  should do and oh this is going to be [TS]

  closed but this isn't and man I bet [TS]

  you'd really like this in my god it was [TS]

  so fantastic and everyone we met was [TS]

  like that they were all so nice and so [TS]

  helpful it was really great [TS]

  like it wasn't it none of these were [TS]

  isolated incidents like everybody was [TS]

  this good [TS]

  all the all the roads were this good all [TS]

  the drivers with this good all the food [TS]

  was this good [TS]

  all the hotels like I mean it was just a [TS]

  fantastic trip and again we can't [TS]

  recommend highly enough so Johnny coming [TS]

  next time maybe if you teleport me all [TS]

  the plane wasn't that bad i don't think [TS]

  i would mind being in Germany all the [TS]

  plane was a glowing recommendation he [TS]

  has don't think i would mind being there [TS]

  at the traveling there and the traveling [TS]

  back it was a what it was a direct [TS]

  flight it's no different than ella era [TS]

  this story about la it's no different [TS]

  than san francis and the way they're [TS]

  using long are you supposed to sleep the [TS]

  whole time I'm telling you John you can [TS]

  do it it's worth it [TS]

  what will argue will argue about it over [TS]

  the next three years until the lease is [TS]

  up man [TS]

  I guess we should probably wrap it up is [TS]

  that it think that's it I mean I don't [TS]

  you have any closing remarks [TS]

  John I don't think so unless you want to [TS]

  explain why were why this is the last [TS]

  episode for now [TS]

  well you know we we had started this out [TS]

  as we call it a podcast miniseries and [TS]

  you know we John had both recently done [TS]

  our respective shows a five-by-five and [TS]

  they had each gone for a while his 14 [TS]

  exactly a hundred episodes moment for [TS]

  like a hundred and eight so we just got [TS]

  his long-running shows and one of the [TS]

  reasons why I stopped my show at five by [TS]

  five was because I was you I felt it was [TS]

  getting too repetitive and I was running [TS]

  out of like original topics to talk [TS]

  about an original things to say and and [TS]

  I just needed a break from it and I [TS]

  didn't want to start up a car show that [TS]

  was going to go on for two years and be [TS]

  about just all the news of the day you [TS]

  know like I I didn't want to get myself [TS]

  for you guys into that and because it's [TS]

  just so it's just a very big commitment [TS]

  and [TS]

  and we didn't want to be that kind of [TS]

  show we're just talking about news [TS]

  because none of us as has the the [TS]

  feedback emails and itunes reviews have [TS]

  often suggested none of us are experts [TS]

  enough to really have a car news show of [TS]

  much interest of people so we wanted to [TS]

  just like a general fun thing and we [TS]

  wanted to go into it from the beginning [TS]

  as like a a short like a limited-run [TS]

  concept of we aren't starting up to go [TS]

  indefinitely we start we're starting up [TS]

  to go X episodes and then you know we'll [TS]

  see what happens then we'll probably end [TS]

  it and so the original number we gave [TS]

  was eight and then roughly it like [TS]

  episode six or seven we decided you know [TS]

  what we still have a lot more to say [TS]

  let's bump it forward a little bit more [TS]

  but we could see like the end was in [TS]

  sight and so this is now episode 12 we [TS]

  decided back in episode 10 we decided [TS]

  roughly to end it here and I think this [TS]

  is good because I think we covered all [TS]

  of the major general purpose topics we [TS]

  wanted to cover is that is that fair to [TS]

  say i think so I mean I think it's funny [TS]

  because I was sort of kind of the [TS]

  self-appointed topic maven guru dictator [TS]

  guy and obviously we all contributed [TS]

  topics here and there but I've kept a [TS]

  list and i still have a list of topics [TS]

  to talk about but it's things that [TS]

  nobody wants to listen to like hey let's [TS]

  discuss what our favorite top gear [TS]

  episodes are in an equally boring things [TS]

  like that and materials dream I had [TS]

  yeah exactly and last two or three [TS]

  episodes I've why we've all gotten on [TS]

  skype together and i have not had any [TS]

  particular agenda or arc or anything to [TS]

  talk about and we've been walking off [TS]

  that between the three of us [TS]

  somebody's been able to come up with [TS]

  something worth talking about but just [TS]

  like you said market we don't know we [TS]

  want to beat the horse that may already [TS]

  have been dead before we even started [TS]

  the podcast exact we don't want we don't [TS]

  beat it any further in that I can only [TS]

  speak for myself but I've had a really [TS]

  wonderful time in the listeners by and [TS]

  large although they're there are many [TS]

  that point out how ignorant we are [TS]

  that's frankly pretty well we love them [TS]

  we love them too but all of the [TS]

  listeners I [TS]

  I know we really appreciated when and by [TS]

  and large we've gotten a lot of [TS]

  unbelievably positive and welcome [TS]

  feedback and and I think every single [TS]

  one of you for dealing dealing with me [TS]

  and everyone else for however many hours [TS]

  the shows run [TS]

  yeah I think maybe we weren't clear [TS]

  enough that it was going to be limited [TS]

  run because now that people are knowing [TS]

  this is ending we're getting the people [TS]

  coming out of the woodworks I know you [TS]

  don't stop the show is my favorite [TS]

  podcast over it you know like we said it [TS]

  but like i said in all the introductory [TS]

  blog post i always said a miniseries but [TS]

  they didn't know was never in the audio [TS]

  of the show that's where it had to be [TS]

  right people to I mean maybe it did we [TS]

  ever mentioned you want to I don't even [TS]

  know I don't think so [TS]

  it was so prominent all of our minds and [TS]

  I was on the website and everything that [TS]

  it just seems we just assumed everybody [TS]

  knew but clearly not so if you're [TS]

  finding out now surprise sorry [TS]

  yeah and that's it [TS]

  let's get a real career something that [TS]

  probably if you want to use naturally [TS]

  that we should God for such amateurs i [TS]

  love it that's the test it but I didn't [TS]

  see the review recently there was like [TS]

  it does no intro and no outro like this [TS]

  the car door [TS]

  why does no one hear the car there's a [TS]

  card or deafness bringing down podcast [TS]

  it's a car i thought that was so clever [TS]

  when I heard the Carpenters episode no [TS]

  one gets area they're completely [TS]

  inaudible to everyone else [TS]