Special: Please Lose Control of Your Car Now


00:00:00   it seems like doing accidental podcast [TS]

00:00:02   is kind of our thing [TS]

00:00:03   well because we can't really resist not [TS]

00:00:06   talking about cars or not talking about [TS]

00:00:09   tech right so one way or another both of [TS]

00:00:12   these things is going to happen [TS]

00:00:13   we've been doing accidental car podcasts [TS]

00:00:15   in the after show after ATP but then [TS]

00:00:19   usually you don't put them in the actual [TS]

00:00:20   after-show so it's kind of like a live [TS]

00:00:22   only like a reward / punishment for the [TS]

00:00:25   live listeners hit the air talking about [TS]

00:00:27   cars [TS]

00:00:28   indeed and in this one is is actually [TS]

00:00:31   very special because we have a special [TS]

00:00:32   guest [TS]

00:00:34   hello I'm nailed it and where . comedic [TS]

00:00:41   timing is my specialty so it we have the [TS]

00:00:44   very famous underscore david smith with [TS]

00:00:46   us and there's a particular reason that [TS]

00:00:48   those of us who pay attention [TS]

00:00:50   we have already figured out we have an [TS]

00:00:53   agenda tonight [TS]

00:00:54   shockingly shockingly we actually do [TS]

00:00:57   have a plan on the accidental car [TS]

00:00:59   podcast so the three of the four of us [TS]

00:01:03   actually did something fun about a week [TS]

00:01:06   ago and one of us was curmudgeon and [TS]

00:01:08   didn't now which of us would have been [TS]

00:01:10   most likely to like not to have fun [TS]

00:01:13   it's not being a chromogen there you [TS]

00:01:15   would open it was incredibly wise [TS]

00:01:17   decision and I'm very proud of myself [TS]

00:01:19   for making it because I would have been [TS]

00:01:20   so screwed if I'd gone through its so [TS]

00:01:24   true when we continue to make fun of you [TS]

00:01:25   for the rest of time [TS]

00:01:27   okay see what were you doing when the [TS]

00:01:29   apple event was happening in which [TS]

00:01:31   Mavericks was announced and released i [TS]

00:01:33   do believe i was driving somebody else's [TS]

00:01:36   m3 at speed around a racetrack what were [TS]

00:01:39   you doing marco i believe i was doing [TS]

00:01:41   the same thing underscore I was right [TS]

00:01:44   behind you [TS]

00:01:45   well i would say right behind haha true [TS]

00:01:49   story better start so what we're [TS]

00:01:53   referring to [TS]

00:01:54   for those of us who aren't keeping track [TS]

00:01:56   is that underscore and Marco and I [TS]

00:01:59   decided to go to BMW M Performance [TS]

00:02:02   school the two-day version and this [TS]

00:02:04   actually all started believing her not [TS]

00:02:06   with underscores so do you want to kind [TS]

00:02:08   of tell the origin story I mean surveyed [TS]

00:02:11   only just got started it was a [TS]

00:02:12   this last may I turned 30 so became an [TS]

00:02:16   old man and as part of that I wanted [TS]

00:02:19   things I've always wanted to do is maybe [TS]

00:02:22   have stepped take a step back and say in [TS]

00:02:24   a normal life I i drive-a 2005 to the [TS]

00:02:26   corolla the car i love it's the only car [TS]

00:02:28   I've ever owned and that's my history [TS]

00:02:31   with cars though and one things I've [TS]

00:02:32   always wondered about is what it's like [TS]

00:02:34   to drive a car that's not a very looking [TS]

00:02:38   a low-power continued economic [TS]

00:02:39   economical vehicle and so like 1i try [TS]

00:02:43   want to go to one of these kind of [TS]

00:02:44   schools and so for my 30th birthday was [TS]

00:02:47   the plan was like well do what I'll do [TS]

00:02:48   as my sort of 30th birthday is present [TS]

00:02:51   to myself or for my wife and so then the [TS]

00:02:55   next step became to try and work out if [TS]

00:02:56   i could find people who would be [TS]

00:02:59   interested in doing such a thing and [TS]

00:03:01   surprisingly i was able to convince by a [TS]

00:03:03   lot of cajoling and arm-twisting mark [TS]

00:03:06   when Casey into coming along with me [TS]

00:03:08   whereby a lot of controlling [TS]

00:03:10   arm-twisting you mean you asked us [TS]

00:03:12   hey do you want to go 2 2day and [TS]

00:03:13   performance driving school and I think [TS]

00:03:15   the two of us said I'm yes exactly i [TS]

00:03:18   think both me and Casey were just on the [TS]

00:03:21   edge of just wanted to do this and just [TS]

00:03:22   never having a specific excuse or reason [TS]

00:03:25   to do it at a specific time and you gave [TS]

00:03:27   us that yeah exactly [TS]

00:03:30   now John what was your excuse myself for [TS]

00:03:32   not going is super expensive i hate the [TS]

00:03:34   travel and of the understand what's [TS]

00:03:36   going on around that time is that all [TS]

00:03:38   every i like you i think about it out [TS]

00:03:40   like i know you guys had a lot of fun [TS]

00:03:42   and everything but think of all the [TS]

00:03:43   extra money I have to spend on my mac [TS]

00:03:45   pro haha when Marco and I are you know [TS]

00:03:49   talking about our fancy new mac pro's [TS]

00:03:50   Casey you're gonna be like oh no I don't [TS]

00:03:53   want to get one of those stupid [TS]

00:03:54   computers is not so much money well you [TS]

00:03:56   would have had all that money if you [TS]

00:03:57   hadn't you know spent on driving but [TS]

00:03:59   seriously I did I did seriously consider [TS]

00:04:01   it for a long time so much so that I [TS]

00:04:03   talk to my wife about said you can go if [TS]

00:04:04   you want and I really thought about like [TS]

00:04:06   you know what maybe i should just do [TS]

00:04:07   this but I thought better of it in the [TS]

00:04:09   end I'm actually impressed that you got [TS]

00:04:11   that far is mi I assumed that you [TS]

00:04:14   basically immediately vetoed it in your [TS]

00:04:16   head and never even bothered asking [TS]

00:04:18   anybody know that [TS]

00:04:19   I mean it's like it's like you know it's [TS]

00:04:22   like the youngster said I you figure [TS]

00:04:24   what you want to see what it's like to [TS]

00:04:26   drive the big fancy cars that you're [TS]

00:04:27   never going to own and if you don't do [TS]

00:04:29   it now when are you gonna do it like [TS]

00:04:31   what am I going to do it myself no then [TS]

00:04:33   you know a bunch of people who I know [TS]

00:04:34   we're going that's the time to do it [TS]

00:04:35   right but no but no well we were very [TS]

00:04:40   disappointed not to have you with us [TS]

00:04:41   John [TS]

00:04:42   however we had a pretty good time and so [TS]

00:04:45   I I don't know what the appropriate way [TS]

00:04:48   to recap the trip is but maybe I should [TS]

00:04:51   give the very very quick blow-by-blow of [TS]

00:04:54   kind of what the schedule was and we can [TS]

00:04:56   dig into the specifics afterwards so [TS]

00:04:59   Marco either got volunteered or [TS]

00:05:01   volunteered not sure which one it was to [TS]

00:05:03   drive down from New York but you gave me [TS]

00:05:06   an excuse to drive an awesome car for a [TS]

00:05:08   few hours [TS]

00:05:09   you're welcome for a lot of hours at [TS]

00:05:10   well what you got to do a lot of the [TS]

00:05:12   hours and also it doesn't it you know [TS]

00:05:14   similar to how easily it was to convince [TS]

00:05:16   me in case you to do this not at all [TS]

00:05:18   it's pretty easy to convince me not to [TS]

00:05:20   fly somewhere that's within driving [TS]

00:05:22   distance because flying is just such a [TS]

00:05:24   pain in the butt I will avoid it not a [TS]

00:05:27   fear just out of I'd just hate it and so [TS]

00:05:30   yeah it didn't take much convincing [TS]

00:05:32   right so Marco drove down on like this [TS]

00:05:36   was last Saturday I don't know i'm sorry [TS]

00:05:38   the saturday before last it doesn't [TS]

00:05:40   really matter he drove down on a [TS]

00:05:41   Saturday and picked up underscore [TS]

00:05:43   outside DC and then the two of them [TS]

00:05:47   drove to Richmond where I am [TS]

00:05:49   we all stay tonight richmond on that [TS]

00:05:50   saturday night sunday we woke up got [TS]

00:05:53   breakfast and then drove to spartanburg [TS]

00:05:57   south carolina which is where the BMW [TS]

00:05:59   factory is in the United States and what [TS]

00:06:01   what do they build their is x3 x5 is [TS]

00:06:03   that right it'sit's sum of the x's if [TS]

00:06:05   not all the exes so they build some of [TS]

00:06:07   the exes there which is of no surprise [TS]

00:06:09   given that americans love their SUVs so [TS]

00:06:11   on sunday we drove down we had dinner at [TS]

00:06:13   the hotel in which BWW assigns us to [TS]

00:06:16   stay and then monday and tuesday we [TS]

00:06:19   spent all day driving in basically a [TS]

00:06:22   quarter million dollars worth of em cars [TS]

00:06:24   per person and then tuesday evening we [TS]

00:06:27   drove back to richmond and on wednesday [TS]

00:06:29   i went to my j.o.b job [TS]

00:06:32   Marco and Dave return home to their [TS]

00:06:33   lives of laser exactly those of us who [TS]

00:06:37   have jlb jobs had to go back to work [TS]

00:06:39   those of us you don't really have jobs [TS]

00:06:41   could do whatever we wanted it must be [TS]

00:06:43   tough it really is really and Virginia [TS]

00:06:47   bagels are better than montreal bagels [TS]

00:06:49   who big words i agree but big words are [TS]

00:06:52   you getting bagels in Virginia that it [TS]

00:06:54   was that what else you need for [TS]

00:06:55   breakfast [TS]

00:06:56   I don't know hush puppies haha [TS]

00:07:00   there is a sonic drive-in about five [TS]

00:07:03   minutes from my house which we could [TS]

00:07:04   have gone to make a waffle house down [TS]

00:07:06   there right [TS]

00:07:07   yes they have waffle house and denny's [TS]

00:07:09   and all those sorts of fattening [TS]

00:07:10   terrible things unfortunately waffle [TS]

00:07:12   house is not new to me at least because [TS]

00:07:14   I'm from Ohio and it's everywhere in [TS]

00:07:16   ohio people think it's only a southern [TS]

00:07:18   thing but Ohio steals a lot of things [TS]

00:07:20   from the south and tries to act like a [TS]

00:07:22   normal and waffle house is so common in [TS]

00:07:25   Ohio that my friends and I high school [TS]

00:07:28   used to go to all the time that like you [TS]

00:07:29   know one of the morning because it was [TS]

00:07:30   open and nothing else really was and we [TS]

00:07:33   would go to this one that was off of a [TS]

00:07:34   an off ramp off of Interstate 70 where [TS]

00:07:37   there's they get so much truck traffic [TS]

00:07:38   and truckers i guess like the waffle [TS]

00:07:40   house so much that there's one on both [TS]

00:07:42   sides of the street so that no matter [TS]

00:07:44   which side you get off with the truck [TS]

00:07:45   you can just pour into a parking lot and [TS]

00:07:47   then pull right back on the highway [TS]

00:07:48   easily and there's enough business that [TS]

00:07:50   to waffle houses across street from each [TS]

00:07:52   other can stay in business [TS]

00:07:54   that's Ohio for you in one little story [TS]

00:07:56   so you miss it [TS]

00:07:57   oh god so much the waffle house is just [TS]

00:08:00   so incredibly something I it's there [TS]

00:08:05   it's so incredibly there [TS]

00:08:07   well to back up a step the bagels in [TS]

00:08:09   Virginia are nowhere near New York [TS]

00:08:11   bagels however I have found a place that [TS]

00:08:13   is as good an imposter of New York bagel [TS]

00:08:16   as one can reasonably expect 500 miles [TS]

00:08:19   from New York and and Marco while he is [TS]

00:08:21   not an official New Yorker he's an [TS]

00:08:23   imposter New Yorker and I think you can [TS]

00:08:24   vouch for me on this issue its name like [TS]

00:08:26   mountain view or something [TS]

00:08:27   what know the name of the place is [TS]

00:08:29   Cupertino's oh that's right [TS]

00:08:31   come on man anyway it's very good so [TS]

00:08:33   yeah so we we went to the um school and [TS]

00:08:35   it was pretty fantastic and it was funny [TS]

00:08:37   because the most people who go to the [TS]

00:08:40   school I have to imagine drive down in [TS]

00:08:43   corollas in accord [TS]

00:08:44   this and I don't know 328 and things of [TS]

00:08:47   that nature [TS]

00:08:48   what did we roll to BWW school in an m5 [TS]

00:08:51   we were suffering to say the least [TS]

00:08:55   although as it turns out there were [TS]

00:08:56   others that did the same thing how many [TS]

00:08:58   other and five drivers were there like [TS]

00:08:59   three there were two others in our hotel [TS]

00:09:01   at least and both of their way cleaner [TS]

00:09:04   than mine [TS]

00:09:05   well they also drove quite a bit less i [TS]

00:09:07   do believe to get there but yeah but [TS]

00:09:09   even underscore drove the m5 did he not [TS]

00:09:12   on the way down [TS]

00:09:13   yeah that was I was actually hoping glad [TS]

00:09:15   I was a little concerned that are coming [TS]

00:09:19   from a rather a popper background of my [TS]

00:09:22   underpowered toyota's and Japanese cars [TS]

00:09:26   that would be a little bit into like [TS]

00:09:27   digital like on monday morning at be sat [TS]

00:09:30   down in front of an empire like here's [TS]

00:09:31   the keys are based on actual even really [TS]

00:09:33   keys [TS]

00:09:34   here's the magic thing that starts the [TS]

00:09:36   car push the button and off you go and [TS]

00:09:38   so a little bit i was glad that I was [TS]

00:09:40   able to get some sort of get through the [TS]

00:09:42   initial like pre-flight and stuff and [TS]

00:09:44   marcos car and then just drive for a [TS]

00:09:46   little bit on the interstate to get used [TS]

00:09:47   to it before it actually counted sounds [TS]

00:09:50   like Marco Polo Tom Sawyer on your to [TS]

00:09:52   come and paint the fence it's really [TS]

00:09:53   funny got you guys to basically show for [TS]

00:09:55   him haha if you guys are gonna have to [TS]

00:09:58   do all the driving driving driving fancy [TS]

00:10:00   cars fun but at a certain point you're [TS]

00:10:02   just hours and hours on the interstate [TS]

00:10:03   and that's no fun [TS]

00:10:04   well that's kind of the idea like that's [TS]

00:10:06   one of the reasons why why I wanted a [TS]

00:10:07   tutor for IV volunteer but you know why [TS]

00:10:09   i made a drive the first leg from his [TS]

00:10:13   house to casey's because I wanted to [TS]

00:10:16   ease his fears about these incredibly [TS]

00:10:19   powerful cars because the fact is you [TS]

00:10:23   I mean there's something you know [TS]

00:10:24   ridiculous cars like Ferraris are pretty [TS]

00:10:25   hard to drive normally at low speeds [TS]

00:10:28   because they're gearing and clutches and [TS]

00:10:29   everything but but I wanted to show that [TS]

00:10:32   sport sedans are still sedans and [TS]

00:10:35   they're still made for the most part not [TS]

00:10:38   to go on tracks you know most people who [TS]

00:10:39   buy them don't take them on track as far [TS]

00:10:41   as i know and they're in you can be you [TS]

00:10:43   can drive these things normally every [TS]

00:10:45   day and they just behave like normal [TS]

00:10:48   cars just when you hit the gas really [TS]

00:10:50   hard they behave little bit differently [TS]

00:10:51   so Dave how would you describe the [TS]

00:10:53   difference between the m5 in your daily [TS]

00:10:55   driver [TS]

00:10:56   it's bigger in decreasing as in normal [TS]

00:11:01   use it is surprisingly similar in that [TS]

00:11:04   that I'd I know it's terrible but it [TS]

00:11:08   it's not very comfortable [TS]

00:11:10   it has a massage your buttocks while you [TS]

00:11:12   drive it touches which is very [TS]

00:11:15   unsettling but yeah but it's a lot of [TS]

00:11:18   fun it's it was interesting to look at [TS]

00:11:19   the two things that I noticed about the [TS]

00:11:21   world biggest thing that I noticed in it [TS]

00:11:23   first from driving it that i would but i [TS]

00:11:25   miss now going to my you know going back [TS]

00:11:27   to my old corolla is that doesn't things [TS]

00:11:29   like a heads-up display and a lot of [TS]

00:11:32   kind of the new sword like that then [TS]

00:11:34   your fancier technology that is just [TS]

00:11:35   kind of fun and when you're driving or [TS]

00:11:37   just makes it more useful and it is a [TS]

00:11:39   little bit intoxicating that you can at [TS]

00:11:42   any point you can suddenly like there's [TS]

00:11:45   a gap in front of you that you'd like to [TS]

00:11:47   be in you can instantaneously be in it [TS]

00:11:49   in a way that the there's no pause or [TS]

00:11:52   hesitation so it kind of forces a little [TS]

00:11:54   bit of decisiveness into your driving [TS]

00:11:55   style which is this serves as a little [TS]

00:11:57   bit of fun [TS]

00:11:58   so you're saying there's a BMW turns you [TS]

00:12:00   into a kind of a jerk on the road haha [TS]

00:12:03   not necessarily a jerk but it definitely [TS]

00:12:06   think it definitely changes a little bit [TS]

00:12:08   the way that you have to view driving [TS]

00:12:10   because here we review the other cars [TS]

00:12:13   pray you know it's it's like if you're [TS]

00:12:17   Indiana is I'm not a particularly i'm [TS]

00:12:19   not particularly big on firearms or guns [TS]

00:12:22   but I imagine it's like the difference [TS]

00:12:23   between if you have a small bowl 22 [TS]

00:12:25   rifle or if you have a bazooka right you [TS]

00:12:26   have to be careful about what you're [TS]

00:12:27   gonna point at in a different way then [TS]

00:12:30   you would otherwise because if you put [TS]

00:12:33   your foot on the gas like if I put my [TS]

00:12:35   phone my gas in my little four-cylinder [TS]

00:12:37   car and I jam it down i'm not going to [TS]

00:12:40   go anywhere particularly quickly i'm [TS]

00:12:42   still going to be where I was a few [TS]

00:12:43   minutes a few seconds ago at you know [TS]

00:12:46   that later whereas in this it's you know [TS]

00:12:47   your instantaneously you just jump 15 20 [TS]

00:12:51   miles an hour and so you have to be much [TS]

00:12:52   more conscious about what you're doing [TS]

00:12:54   you should try downshifting first your [TS]

00:12:56   camera oh wait [TS]

00:12:57   automatic [TS]

00:12:58   just rip you that's right is getting a [TS]

00:13:01   chord camera rivalry going here it's a [TS]

00:13:03   corolla new corolla that's right well [TS]

00:13:05   yeah I feel bad for not that i say as i [TS]

00:13:08   drive home in my 11 year old honda civic [TS]

00:13:10   so ya see you two are brothers in your [TS]

00:13:14   own special way [TS]

00:13:15   so yeah so so we get to this BMW M [TS]

00:13:18   school after having driven [TS]

00:13:19   five-and-a-half hours are I i was part [TS]

00:13:21   of five and a half hours of the drive [TS]

00:13:23   from Richmond spartanburg there was a [TS]

00:13:25   two-hour drive from Dave to me and was [TS]

00:13:27   like a four and a half five hour drive [TS]

00:13:28   from Marco dave is that right about that [TS]

00:13:31   yeah so it was it was a hike but it was [TS]

00:13:34   very worth it [TS]

00:13:35   we were on interstate 85 for forever and [TS]

00:13:37   a day and before that mark when Dave [TS]

00:13:39   were on Interstate 95 forever and a day [TS]

00:13:41   but we ended up in spartanburg and so [TS]

00:13:44   come Monday morning we get on a bus from [TS]

00:13:46   the hotel to the to the BMW factory and [TS]

00:13:51   we get in the classroom and we see [TS]

00:13:53   greeting us [TS]

00:13:54   BMW M school two day course day one and [TS]

00:13:59   we do a little bit of classroom [TS]

00:14:00   instruction about all sorts of things [TS]

00:14:04   about weight transfer about finding the [TS]

00:14:07   apex finding the turning point what was [TS]

00:14:09   the exit . i forget the term for it but [TS]

00:14:11   something like that turnout turnout do [TS]

00:14:14   something like that anyway so we get a [TS]

00:14:16   little bit of casting classroom [TS]

00:14:17   instruction track out i think track may [TS]

00:14:19   whatever was so what you could tell we [TS]

00:14:21   were paying close attention to the [TS]

00:14:22   classroom portion because really all we [TS]

00:14:24   wanted to do was get in the cars so for [TS]

00:14:27   the two day in school the first day is [TS]

00:14:29   just general here's what over Syria's [TS]

00:14:32   here's what under serious here's how to [TS]

00:14:34   find the racing line here so to find the [TS]

00:14:35   apex or cornering . i believe they [TS]

00:14:38   called it here's how to have a drive in [TS]

00:14:40   general and all of these things on both [TS]

00:14:44   days were happening in m3 which worry 90 [TS]

00:14:48   m3 e92 m3 is which were on an MSRP if [TS]

00:14:51   like 80,000 dollars they were in an eft [TS]

00:14:53   NM x which have an MSRP like a hundred [TS]

00:14:55   thousand dollars and I don't know the [TS]

00:14:57   designation for the m6 is but there they [TS]

00:14:59   list for like a hundred twenty thousand [TS]

00:15:01   dollars so all told we have like 200 or [TS]

00:15:04   250 thousand dollars at bmw's basically [TS]

00:15:06   assigned to us and there are 15 people [TS]

00:15:08   in the class we were split into three [TS]

00:15:10   groups of five [TS]

00:15:11   and so our group naturally was Marco and [TS]

00:15:14   David myself and then two other people [TS]

00:15:16   who are very very nice and and we [TS]

00:15:19   basically spent the entire two days [TS]

00:15:21   together the five of us and it was [TS]

00:15:23   unbelievably fun and it all began with [TS]

00:15:28   taking m3 is out onto a skidpad so [TS]

00:15:32   market would you like to tell us about [TS]

00:15:33   what the skidpad was all about [TS]

00:15:35   well officially it's it's an exercise to [TS]

00:15:37   teach you what understeer and oversteer [TS]

00:15:40   feel like how how to avoid them at first [TS]

00:15:43   and then how to create them if you want [TS]

00:15:45   to and then you know how to regain [TS]

00:15:47   control of your car in these situations [TS]

00:15:50   in reality it's about drifting and to [TS]

00:15:54   let you know that they do instruct you [TS]

00:15:55   on those things but the idea is to [TS]

00:15:57   finish the instruction of those quickly [TS]

00:15:59   so that you can get to the fun drifting [TS]

00:16:01   apart [TS]

00:16:01   this was my second time on a skidpad the [TS]

00:16:03   first time I was very bad at it and [TS]

00:16:05   didn't really and didn't do any drifting [TS]

00:16:07   because I was having enough trouble [TS]

00:16:08   figuring out the the oversteer [TS]

00:16:10   correction for whatever reason I don't [TS]

00:16:12   know why but this time it just kind of [TS]

00:16:14   clicked for me and so I figured out the [TS]

00:16:16   the oversteer very quickly and then was [TS]

00:16:19   able to some drifting it was pretty fun [TS]

00:16:20   it was a really cool experience because [TS]

00:16:23   you usually you are not told to please [TS]

00:16:27   lose control of your car right now and [TS]

00:16:29   and even if you do lose control of your [TS]

00:16:33   car in and unintentionally usually your [TS]

00:16:36   car's traction control comes on and says [TS]

00:16:37   yet that's not going to happen but in [TS]

00:16:41   this case we're on a a wet and [TS]

00:16:44   constantly being sprayed down polished [TS]

00:16:47   concrete pad driving in a tight circle [TS]

00:16:49   with a 400-horsepower rear-wheel-drive [TS]

00:16:53   car with the traction control turn all [TS]

00:16:54   the way off and so it we were able to [TS]

00:16:57   kick the rear end out at like 20 miles [TS]

00:17:00   an hour and it was really cool [TS]

00:17:03   what do you think of it Casey so I had [TS]

00:17:07   previously a couple of cars ago had a [TS]

00:17:10   rear-wheel-drive 300zx which was not the [TS]

00:17:12   turbo version and was very underpowered [TS]

00:17:14   but coming around to turn i was able to [TS]

00:17:17   if I stood in the gas get a little bit [TS]

00:17:18   of induced oversteer and control it [TS]

00:17:21   reasonably well [TS]

00:17:22   when I was on the skid pad in the 400 [TS]

00:17:24   horsepower m3 I got a lot of oversteer [TS]

00:17:27   with very little control of any of it [TS]

00:17:30   and it's funny after having had to [TS]

00:17:32   all-wheel-drive cars how hard it is for [TS]

00:17:36   me to go back to controlling a [TS]

00:17:38   rear-wheel-drive car in power on [TS]

00:17:39   overseer and I spun constantly and I [TS]

00:17:43   felt like a moron but I did learn a lot [TS]

00:17:45   and and I really learned a lot about [TS]

00:17:47   understeer actually so oversteers when [TS]

00:17:49   the back end comes around when you don't [TS]

00:17:52   expect it to or perhaps when you do [TS]

00:17:53   expect it to and under stairs when [TS]

00:17:55   you're trying to turn but the cars just [TS]

00:17:57   kind of sliding out of the turn when you [TS]

00:17:59   don't want it to and I did learn a lot [TS]

00:18:02   about what understeer feels like and how [TS]

00:18:05   you can better judge when it's about to [TS]

00:18:07   happen but this is all coming from [TS]

00:18:09   someone who's had a rear-wheel-drive car [TS]

00:18:10   in my life before one of us however has [TS]

00:18:13   never had a rear-wheel-drive car so Dave [TS]

00:18:16   what did you think about the skidpad the [TS]

00:18:19   skidpad i think was actually it for all [TS]

00:18:21   the things that we did I think it was [TS]

00:18:23   the exercise of the thing i think [TS]

00:18:25   actually learned the most practical [TS]

00:18:27   knowledge or so that'll actually improve [TS]

00:18:30   my driving just in normal day-to-day [TS]

00:18:32   experience because I think prior to this [TS]

00:18:36   that I've only ever lost like actually [TS]

00:18:39   lost reserve lost control or lost [TS]

00:18:41   traction of my car a couple of times [TS]

00:18:43   usually it's in very bad so you're very [TS]

00:18:45   bad driving you're driving service [TS]

00:18:47   situations where we are very rainy very [TS]

00:18:49   wet very many people I see that kind of [TS]

00:18:52   thing but it was interesting to see how [TS]

00:18:55   quickly you could develop i guess like [TS]

00:18:57   almost like the muscle memory to get [TS]

00:18:59   yourself out of that situation when [TS]

00:19:02   you're sweeter when you when you used to [TS]

00:19:04   lose control of the car whether the [TS]

00:19:06   front of the back and how after just [TS]

00:19:08   doing it after doing it whatever 10-15 [TS]

00:19:10   times you're able to very quickly be [TS]

00:19:13   catching yourself and that was [TS]

00:19:15   reinforced actual crisis earlier but [TS]

00:19:17   later on and during the week during the [TS]

00:19:19   the couple of days where I be [TS]

00:19:21   I messed up a line or something and i [TS]

00:19:23   actually just Gino genuinely created one [TS]

00:19:26   of these two things i was able to [TS]

00:19:28   correct it before I realized it was [TS]

00:19:31   happening [TS]

00:19:31   and so in that sense it was kind of [TS]

00:19:33   interesting I mean beyond just the fact [TS]

00:19:35   that it was kind of a crazy experience [TS]

00:19:36   did the first time it's like you just [TS]

00:19:38   gets you know sort of sets it on a car [TS]

00:19:40   like followme after the skid pad and now [TS]

00:19:43   I want you to jam your foot into the gas [TS]

00:19:45   on this super slippery surface and the [TS]

00:19:47   first time in court like the first time [TS]

00:19:48   either just spun around in a circle but [TS]

00:19:51   it was an interesting experience to kind [TS]

00:19:52   of gig get a feel for what color car [TS]

00:19:54   actually responds at the limit like that [TS]

00:19:57   where normally you either have to be [TS]

00:19:59   going sort of moronically quickly to do [TS]

00:20:03   that or you under the circumstance where [TS]

00:20:05   the road conditions which is terrible [TS]

00:20:06   and so doing it in a way that you're [TS]

00:20:08   only going 20 25 35 miles an hour and [TS]

00:20:11   still being able to do it was just a [TS]

00:20:12   really constructive activity I think you [TS]

00:20:16   just need snow that's all you need to [TS]

00:20:17   know in the park people up in the North [TS]

00:20:20   I mean I haven't driven real drive car [TS]

00:20:22   I think maybe ever married that mean you [TS]

00:20:25   got your vulva [TS]

00:20:25   well yeah I guess that count of eighty [TS]

00:20:27   like 80 horsepower anyway but but in the [TS]

00:20:29   snow i'm very experienced taking [TS]

00:20:31   front-wheel drive hondas around in [TS]

00:20:32   circles though because when it's when [TS]

00:20:34   they haven't plowed the parking lot and [TS]

00:20:35   you're there and there's no one else [TS]

00:20:36   there do a couple Donuts you know slide [TS]

00:20:39   around mean you can't help it and and [TS]

00:20:41   you can do that like three miles an hour [TS]

00:20:43   because it's to police like and covered [TS]

00:20:44   with you know back down ice and snow so [TS]

00:20:47   that's something that people in the [TS]

00:20:48   South miss out i will say also a before [TS]

00:20:51   we leave the skidpad topic that this was [TS]

00:20:54   this was the exercise especially the [TS]

00:20:55   first time people are on the skid pad [TS]

00:20:57   it's the exercise where people fail the [TS]

00:20:59   most you know you you've tried to [TS]

00:21:01   correct them and you spin around and you [TS]

00:21:04   gotta stop and turn around and start [TS]

00:21:05   again and the instructors handled this [TS]

00:21:07   amazingly well like they're very [TS]

00:21:09   encouraging it's not you know they and [TS]

00:21:12   they explained this to his most people [TS]

00:21:13   who go to the school are not necessarily [TS]

00:21:16   car not a lot there's a lot of like [TS]

00:21:17   corporate groups there's a lot of people [TS]

00:21:19   who are taking delivery of BMW there and [TS]

00:21:21   do do like a one-day thing like this [TS]

00:21:23   they have a lot of novices that go there [TS]

00:21:27   and so they're not only are they [TS]

00:21:30   tolerant of novices but they're they're [TS]

00:21:33   very encouraging and they're very [TS]

00:21:34   patient with you and and they they [TS]

00:21:37   explain things very well when you are [TS]

00:21:39   doing it wrong [TS]

00:21:40   and they're they're encouraging up to [TS]

00:21:42   say all right try again you know and [TS]

00:21:44   it's it was a very very nice mood and I [TS]

00:21:46   had this both with this one I did and [TS]

00:21:47   the thing i did last year at lime rock [TS]

00:21:49   which is this a different portion of the [TS]

00:21:51   same team that put on the event both [TS]

00:21:54   times it be that the instructors really [TS]

00:21:57   really good for novices especially yeah [TS]

00:22:01   anything you can really just reiterate [TS]

00:22:02   that coming from having no experience [TS]

00:22:04   with this type of thing and bonsly being [TS]

00:22:07   a little intimidated about whether i [TS]

00:22:08   should even do it in the first place [TS]

00:22:10   that I kind of had this fear going into [TS]

00:22:12   it that I just you know be completely [TS]

00:22:14   out of my league from you know from the [TS]

00:22:16   start and it wouldn't be fun because the [TS]

00:22:19   whole time it would be a service that [TS]

00:22:20   sort of if I if I showed up at some [TS]

00:22:23   professional sports team practice and [TS]

00:22:25   tried to do a workout i just would be [TS]

00:22:27   destroyed like it would be wise with [TS]

00:22:29   this i felt i would love to see that it [TS]

00:22:31   would be it would be able to be [TS]

00:22:32   comically bad [TS]

00:22:34   whereas I think they were able to do [TS]

00:22:35   here is they're very able to think [TS]

00:22:37   quickly judge your skill level based on [TS]

00:22:39   where you where you're coming from and [TS]

00:22:40   they just like well I'm just going to [TS]

00:22:41   teach you whatever whatever ten percent [TS]

00:22:44   beyond what you're capable of now i'll [TS]

00:22:46   be encouraging you on that and once you [TS]

00:22:48   get that will do the next one to the [TS]

00:22:49   next and I just always felt that it was [TS]

00:22:52   it its it you know you didn't need to be [TS]

00:22:55   somehow you already know all the things [TS]

00:22:59   which makes sense i guess in a sense of [TS]

00:23:00   what's the point of the school if ever [TS]

00:23:03   they expect you to know what you're [TS]

00:23:04   doing before you get there but it's [TS]

00:23:06   definitely kind of nice a nice [TS]

00:23:07   experience that you didn't [TS]

00:23:08   yeah there's no assumption i mean it's [TS]

00:23:10   almost a little bit insane that they [TS]

00:23:13   just sort of let you the huge know [TS]

00:23:15   here's this very overpowered you know [TS]

00:23:18   expensive car go off and now drive [TS]

00:23:21   around on a on a slick surface with [TS]

00:23:23   basically no no instruction prior to [TS]

00:23:27   that beyond some of the stuff that we've [TS]

00:23:28   done in the classroom but it was [TS]

00:23:29   basically just you know sort of here it [TS]

00:23:31   is go and from there they are just kind [TS]

00:23:33   of able to get your sister to build [TS]

00:23:36   build your confidence up from there they [TS]

00:23:38   also put a really high level of trust in [TS]

00:23:40   you like for a lot of the exercises will [TS]

00:23:42   get to they just you know most of the [TS]

00:23:45   time you just put in a car and they say [TS]

00:23:47   all right you know here's how you put [TS]

00:23:49   the car and drive go and and they're not [TS]

00:23:52   like babysitting you [TS]

00:23:54   we're giving you tons of sorts of a kind [TS]

00:23:55   of a kind of plunging you into the deep [TS]

00:23:57   end with like oh my god i'm suddenly [TS]

00:24:00   driving a very expensive car with not a [TS]

00:24:02   whole lot of instruction before i got [TS]

00:24:04   into it but if they trust you you know [TS]

00:24:07   everyone's adults they did they know [TS]

00:24:09   that you've driven before and they know [TS]

00:24:11   you know they know that you're not going [TS]

00:24:13   to like intentionally reckless giant [TS]

00:24:15   expensive cars with you in it [TS]

00:24:17   yeah and as it turns out one of the [TS]

00:24:19   three of us actually did sort of kind of [TS]

00:24:22   rac1 of the expensive cars that's an [TS]

00:24:24   overstatement [TS]

00:24:25   so the next thing we did was a cornering [TS]

00:24:27   lesson which taught us about you know [TS]

00:24:30   where is the where is the apex where do [TS]

00:24:33   you corner [TS]

00:24:34   how do you leave a corner how to enter a [TS]

00:24:36   corner [TS]

00:24:37   it was a lot about that there were a few [TS]

00:24:40   things that i took from the course which [TS]

00:24:42   were very interesting [TS]

00:24:43   firstly it was that the apex is way [TS]

00:24:46   further towards the back of the corner [TS]

00:24:49   than I would have expected did you guys [TS]

00:24:51   feel the same way or did you know that [TS]

00:24:53   this was the way things were I think [TS]

00:24:55   that's right [TS]

00:24:55   hey a dog had never really thought about [TS]

00:24:57   it in quite those terms but i think it [TS]

00:24:59   was interesting all the corners are laid [TS]

00:25:00   out with cones essentially to try and [TS]

00:25:02   help teach you exactly what you're [TS]

00:25:04   looking for and it was definitely i took [TS]

00:25:06   a lot of practice to turn your my [TS]

00:25:09   instinct is honest you're awesome you're [TS]

00:25:10   also fighting years and years of teach [TS]

00:25:12   of driving in the normal manner where [TS]

00:25:16   you're accelerating slowly breaking [TS]

00:25:17   slowly and turning gently and so [TS]

00:25:20   teaching yourself that you can turn in [TS]

00:25:23   much much much later than you actually [TS]

00:25:24   would normally and me and that's [TS]

00:25:27   actually the better line if you're [TS]

00:25:28   trying to go around quickly i think is [TS]

00:25:30   very interesting to kind of experience [TS]

00:25:31   and see the way that idea definitely [TS]

00:25:33   wouldn't have guessed that that's how [TS]

00:25:34   you know that's how you take a corner [TS]

00:25:36   that late and that sharply marcos played [TS]

00:25:39   racing games on video games right of [TS]

00:25:41   either you two played racing games mario [TS]

00:25:44   kart haha not really a simulation level [TS]

00:25:48   i have played a little bit of great [TS]

00:25:51   trees on my day but not a lot and never [TS]

00:25:53   seriously enough to really discover what [TS]

00:25:55   the proper line through return is where [TS]

00:25:58   I mean John did you do you feel like you [TS]

00:26:00   know the proper lines return because I i [TS]

00:26:01   thought i did and I clearly did not i [TS]

00:26:03   don't like the simulation game [TS]

00:26:06   but believe it I although I just said [TS]

00:26:08   you know America is not really an [TS]

00:26:10   accurate simulation you you do learn one [TS]

00:26:12   thing you learned Mary car because of [TS]

00:26:13   the massive rubber banding from the [TS]

00:26:15   enemies like they that people on a [TS]

00:26:17   rubber banding is that means they if you [TS]

00:26:19   play very well may I plays very well you [TS]

00:26:23   know to catch up to you to know you can [TS]

00:26:24   never leave them behind entirely right [TS]

00:26:25   so it comes down and things like wave [TS]

00:26:28   race and stuff like that he's arcade [TS]

00:26:29   type racers that I've no no relation to [TS]

00:26:31   real driving the one thing they do have [TS]

00:26:33   in common is that you do eventually have [TS]

00:26:35   to learn what the fastest line to the [TS]

00:26:37   turn is because the only thing that [TS]

00:26:38   separating you from the relentless AI [TS]

00:26:40   it's always going to be like you know [TS]

00:26:42   right on your butt is that you have to [TS]

00:26:45   take the fastest line to the term [TS]

00:26:46   because once you get the AI cranked up [TS]

00:26:48   to that in a really high level if you [TS]

00:26:50   make even the smallest mistake and go [TS]

00:26:52   like a little bit wide or leave a little [TS]

00:26:53   bit room or don't hit the apex or you [TS]

00:26:56   know don't hit the power-ups and all the [TS]

00:26:57   other crazy things maybe they'll punish [TS]

00:26:59   you and you lose the race so if you get [TS]

00:27:00   into American American targets humans or [TS]

00:27:02   are the computer you will eventually get [TS]

00:27:05   that kind of punishing racing type [TS]

00:27:07   experience of like that term is fine i [TS]

00:27:10   just missed it by just like that much [TS]

00:27:11   and now you're in second place and so it [TS]

00:27:13   you eventually learn yet where the thing [TS]

00:27:15   is of course but you don't learn is how [TS]

00:27:17   would be in a real car to break that [TS]

00:27:18   amount and how much you have to apply [TS]

00:27:20   pressure to pedals they need to save [TS]

00:27:22   buttons or whatever but the lines are [TS]

00:27:23   kind of similar although in a racing [TS]

00:27:25   game with weapons like mario kart or my [TS]

00:27:27   first game of Wipeout getting back on a [TS]

00:27:29   straight line after return and being as [TS]

00:27:32   straight as possible for as long as [TS]

00:27:33   possible is actually a terrible idea [TS]

00:27:35   then people can hit you with green [TS]

00:27:36   shells were behind ya like America [TS]

00:27:38   that's a strange dynamic we're sliding [TS]

00:27:40   sideways makes you go faster which is [TS]

00:27:41   silly and an unrealistic but it sliding [TS]

00:27:45   sideways takes away some control from [TS]

00:27:47   your steering because you can't [TS]

00:27:48   first you have to it initiate the [TS]

00:27:50   sideways slide and then you have to [TS]

00:27:51   control the slide and in that respect [TS]

00:27:53   it's similar to what i imagine driving [TS]

00:27:55   would be like is that to you know you [TS]

00:27:58   you to hit that line to hit the line [TS]

00:28:00   perfectly and to get your speed match [TS]

00:28:02   and everything it's not as simple as [TS]

00:28:03   like dododo kind of roll through the [TS]

00:28:05   turnover ever yet they then you at the [TS]

00:28:06   line but you won't be going fast to go [TS]

00:28:08   fast and hit the turn of the same time [TS]

00:28:10   is very difficult you don't have the [TS]

00:28:11   kind of control you have if you like you [TS]

00:28:13   would have your point into a parking lot [TS]

00:28:14   or a parking spot or something like that [TS]

00:28:16   you have so many things are going on [TS]

00:28:17   with the car that moment [TS]

00:28:18   it's not so easy to just point the card [TS]

00:28:21   line sure you're gonna have to sling the [TS]

00:28:22   car and hope your you know everything is [TS]

00:28:24   alright so you're gonna hit that apex [TS]

00:28:26   and if your office all you can just [TS]

00:28:28   stare back and get it because you know [TS]

00:28:29   if you trace your line on the course [TS]

00:28:30   you'll be strange wiggles and things [TS]

00:28:32   will go bad for you and you'll end up [TS]

00:28:33   along the grass and bad things i will [TS]

00:28:37   tell you though that I can drift like a [TS]

00:28:39   champion in Mario Kart and I cannot [TS]

00:28:42   drift like a champion in real life as [TS]

00:28:44   that found out but I'm with you so yeah [TS]

00:28:47   I think I think with two days of [TS]

00:28:48   instruction we all combined got maybe [TS]

00:28:52   ten straight seconds of drifting that's [TS]

00:28:56   probably true and i was looking through [TS]

00:28:58   my footage which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:29:00   moment in in the m5 on the second day I [TS]

00:29:03   actually got a couple of decent trips [TS]

00:29:05   but i wouldn't say they were good drifts [TS]

00:29:06   but yeah so so on day one in the morning [TS]

00:29:11   the second thing we did was cornering a [TS]

00:29:13   course where we learned about the apex [TS]

00:29:16   we learned how did that they really [TS]

00:29:18   stressed looking where the car where you [TS]

00:29:22   want the car to go not where the car is [TS]

00:29:24   and that sounds really simple and silly [TS]

00:29:27   but man I don't know about you two but [TS]

00:29:29   it was hard for me and it took me until [TS]

00:29:32   the afternoon at the earliest for that [TS]

00:29:34   to really click and for me to understand [TS]

00:29:36   that if I'm trying to hit an apex where [TS]

00:29:38   they pretty much tell you to do [TS]

00:29:40   everything but run over the cone that [TS]

00:29:42   they put on the apex is an indicator of [TS]

00:29:44   where it is it's very hard not to look [TS]

00:29:47   at that and prevent yourself from [TS]

00:29:50   hitting it and instead look further down [TS]

00:29:53   the road and just have faith that your [TS]

00:29:55   hands will figure out where to point the [TS]

00:29:57   car and eventually if I forced myself to [TS]

00:30:01   do that to look down the road and just [TS]

00:30:03   have faith in my hands [TS]

00:30:04   it actually really does work but man is [TS]

00:30:07   a counterintuitive with everything I've [TS]

00:30:09   learned and Marco did you feel the same [TS]

00:30:10   way or was this like second nature for [TS]

00:30:12   you [TS]

00:30:12   oh definitely I mean you know like David [TS]

00:30:14   said earlier a lot of a lot of the [TS]

00:30:16   difficulty and in doing this well was [TS]

00:30:19   over right in your instincts of normal [TS]

00:30:23   driving because you know they they teach [TS]

00:30:25   and i don't i'm not an expert enough to [TS]

00:30:28   know whether this is you know how [TS]

00:30:30   universal this is but they teach [TS]

00:30:31   something called threshold break [TS]

00:30:32   can which is you basically accelerate as [TS]

00:30:35   hard as you can during the straightaways [TS]

00:30:36   and then at the last possible second you [TS]

00:30:39   brake as hard as you can before you turn [TS]

00:30:41   to look yourself down to whatever you [TS]

00:30:43   need to be and so it's just extreme like [TS]

00:30:46   heart but the hundreds on acceleration [TS]

00:30:48   two hundred percent breaking and then [TS]

00:30:51   you turn and and you you turn in a way [TS]

00:30:54   that like you start out really wide on [TS]

00:30:57   the turn and he like cut in and hit the [TS]

00:30:59   apex and the like smooth your way out [TS]

00:31:01   and it makes sense why you do that may [TS]

00:31:03   explain why you do that but because that [TS]

00:31:05   is so unlike normal driving I it was [TS]

00:31:09   very it was very hard to to get like you [TS]

00:31:12   it never became that instinctual I had [TS]

00:31:16   it I'd like think about every move like [TS]

00:31:18   okay hit that apex go to the turnout [TS]

00:31:21   like I had to like it was like [TS]

00:31:22   emulations of had like think about every [TS]

00:31:24   instruction i was doing he never became [TS]

00:31:27   like a fluid thing for me and I'm sure [TS]

00:31:29   I'm sure that if I did this very [TS]

00:31:31   frequently maybe it would be but one [TS]

00:31:33   thing I thought was very interesting was [TS]

00:31:34   on the last day the main instructor had [TS]

00:31:37   said that any structures are all like [TS]

00:31:40   you know racing drivers who are have [TS]

00:31:42   often you know Ben pros or were pros for [TS]

00:31:44   many years are still are pros and done [TS]

00:31:47   lots of racing and and and the [TS]

00:31:50   instructor said that even still like [TS]

00:31:53   when he's gonna need it does a long race [TS]

00:31:55   sometimes he'll get tired and he'll [TS]

00:31:57   start and he'll start forgetting to like [TS]

00:32:00   look way ahead and and you know start [TS]

00:32:02   forgetting some of the technique and [TS]

00:32:04   start reverting back to automatic [TS]

00:32:05   driving behavior for everyday use and he [TS]

00:32:08   starts doing very badly and he so even [TS]

00:32:11   this instructor has been doing this for [TS]

00:32:12   years and years and years and doesn't [TS]

00:32:13   professionally even he can revert back [TS]

00:32:17   to non ideal behavior because these are [TS]

00:32:20   against your instincts they find [TS]

00:32:22   themselves driving to work like we're [TS]

00:32:23   going to work now what's going on here [TS]

00:32:27   is that when you're driving your car and [TS]

00:32:28   something that you don't play that story [TS]

00:32:30   going so they find out you're going to [TS]

00:32:31   work [TS]

00:32:31   maybe maybe not Marco yeah don't have to [TS]

00:32:34   work that can drive to the store drives [TS]

00:32:36   to a friends house I do that all the [TS]

00:32:38   time maybe some i'm walking around my [TS]

00:32:40   house and I accidentally walk into the [TS]

00:32:42   office [TS]

00:32:43   haha but you know it's like when I'm [TS]

00:32:45   driving driving my kids to one of their [TS]

00:32:47   activities or something i realize i'm [TS]

00:32:48   i'm on my way to work I don't know [TS]

00:32:51   no this is not where the activity is [TS]

00:32:52   stopped going to work on autopilot John [TS]

00:32:55   as someone who actually has a j.o.b job [TS]

00:32:57   i totally understand what you're talking [TS]

00:32:58   about [TS]

00:32:59   don't listen to these two did they have [TS]

00:33:01   the breaking points marked out on the [TS]

00:33:03   track for you in the beginning like a [TS]

00:33:05   big big cone the whole time they had [TS]

00:33:07   cones on for every every time there was [TS]

00:33:10   like a point we get them to get enough [TS]

00:33:12   speed for you had to plan on the brakes [TS]

00:33:13   they would have liked 321 cones like [TS]

00:33:16   this like first of three then two than [TS]

00:33:17   one to tell you like you should really [TS]

00:33:19   break you know in this range and you can [TS]

00:33:22   figure out for yourself you know whether [TS]

00:33:23   you want to break out the 30 the 20 or [TS]

00:33:25   whatever and at every turn had the [TS]

00:33:27   return in the apex end-to-end the track [TS]

00:33:30   out all all marked with cone so every [TS]

00:33:32   turn was coned the whole time so it was [TS]

00:33:35   really it was not about you figure out [TS]

00:33:38   what the best way through this because [TS]

00:33:39   they know that we're all amateurs only [TS]

00:33:41   there for two days you know how much how [TS]

00:33:42   much figure out can we do in two days [TS]

00:33:44   with are you know first time on tracks [TS]

00:33:45   they but so it was really more about [TS]

00:33:49   technique and just like and learning for [TS]

00:33:52   the very first time like oh this is how [TS]

00:33:53   you drive and track which is nothing [TS]

00:33:54   like driving in the real world so they [TS]

00:33:56   did a time your laps some of them in [TS]

00:33:59   some instances you have to understand [TS]

00:34:02   that the BMW Performance Center which is [TS]

00:34:05   the track at the BMW factory it's a [TS]

00:34:09   pretty big track by my measure which is [TS]

00:34:11   to say the only tracks have been honor [TS]

00:34:13   this and the Nurburgring it's nowhere [TS]

00:34:14   near the Nurburgring but as what I [TS]

00:34:16   envisioned as a track it was fairly big [TS]

00:34:18   and over the course of the two days we [TS]

00:34:21   were there were three groups of five [TS]

00:34:23   like i mentioned earlier all operating [TS]

00:34:25   on different subsections of the track [TS]

00:34:27   and it wasn't until the afternoon of the [TS]

00:34:29   second day that they kind of linked the [TS]

00:34:32   entire track together to build one major [TS]

00:34:36   track for lack of a better word I don't [TS]

00:34:38   know how else to describe it so it's for [TS]

00:34:41   example on the I'm gonna call the [TS]

00:34:44   western half and may not have actually [TS]

00:34:45   been the western half that's where the [TS]

00:34:47   skid pad was and that's where this big [TS]

00:34:49   sweeping corner was which they call the [TS]

00:34:52   man turn her man curve that's their name [TS]

00:34:55   not our [TS]

00:34:55   and then on the eastern side of the [TS]

00:34:57   track is where they initially set up a [TS]

00:34:59   slalom which was on monday afternoon and [TS]

00:35:04   and there were there was a corkscrew as [TS]

00:35:07   well that we encountered either monday [TS]

00:35:08   afternoon or tuesday morning and so it [TS]

00:35:11   wasn't until this end of the second day [TS]

00:35:13   that they kind of link the corkscrew in [TS]

00:35:15   the slalom and the man turned the [TS]

00:35:17   skidpad all together to make one [TS]

00:35:20   tremendous track and man that was fun [TS]

00:35:23   but I'm getting ahead of myself [TS]

00:35:25   alright so monday morning we did skip [TS]

00:35:28   had weed cornering we did handling and [TS]

00:35:30   then we had lunch then lunch was nice [TS]

00:35:32   but I'm remarkable and I do feel like [TS]

00:35:34   because I don't want to leave this out [TS]

00:35:37   there were like six instructors for a [TS]

00:35:38   total of fifteen people and what [TS]

00:35:41   happened was we would we would have an [TS]

00:35:43   instructor to with us for any given [TS]

00:35:45   event if you will and they would give us [TS]

00:35:48   walkie-talkies which I'm sure [TS]

00:35:49   transmitted but the point was not for us [TS]

00:35:51   to talk back to them but for them to be [TS]

00:35:53   able to tell us what are we doing right [TS]

00:35:55   what are we doing wrong and I i really [TS]

00:35:58   want to make it clear that these [TS]

00:36:00   instructors like marco was saying were [TS]

00:36:02   on believably patient and unbelievably [TS]

00:36:06   good and it wasn't until the very last [TS]

00:36:08   event of the second day that we realized [TS]

00:36:10   how good they really were but they were [TS]

00:36:12   all incredibly incredibly good and they [TS]

00:36:15   were various ages and all of them were [TS]

00:36:18   very different and have very different [TS]

00:36:19   styles and very and they were very [TS]

00:36:21   different but all of them consistently [TS]

00:36:23   were patient and courteous and kind and [TS]

00:36:25   I i really think without that group of [TS]

00:36:28   instructors this experience would have [TS]

00:36:30   been totally different [TS]

00:36:31   it's very clear that to be an instructor [TS]

00:36:34   at this place like they don't [TS]

00:36:36   it isn't just like well you can drive [TS]

00:36:38   okay you're in like obviously these [TS]

00:36:41   instructors reader-writer picked for [TS]

00:36:44   having these qualities or are trained [TS]

00:36:45   extremely well and really pick it up and [TS]

00:36:47   have a knack for it for it for being not [TS]

00:36:51   only able to to drive cars well but to [TS]

00:36:54   to explain and be patient with people [TS]

00:36:57   and teach them how to do it and and it's [TS]

00:36:59   that's a skill you know being a good [TS]

00:37:02   teacher is a very valuable skill that [TS]

00:37:03   that is not [TS]

00:37:06   it does not come naturally to too many [TS]

00:37:08   people and the these people all had it [TS]

00:37:10   and they were really good yesterday what [TS]

00:37:12   did you think about the instructors as [TS]

00:37:14   someone who was and i know you touched [TS]

00:37:16   on this earlier but as someone who was [TS]

00:37:18   not terribly confident about what you're [TS]

00:37:19   getting yourself into [TS]

00:37:21   I mean do you feel like they made a [TS]

00:37:22   difference for you yeah i mean i think [TS]

00:37:24   the interesting part of course is like [TS]

00:37:26   the a ballot definitely oscillated a [TS]

00:37:28   little bit between the times that they [TS]

00:37:30   were you know these are the [TS]

00:37:32   encouragement and at the other times [TS]

00:37:34   when it felt like they're asking me to [TS]

00:37:36   do something that I couldn't do like the [TS]

00:37:37   number of times i heard things like it's [TS]

00:37:39   like it's like more speed Dave more [TS]

00:37:41   speed more speed [TS]

00:37:42   you're not going fast enough for the [TS]

00:37:45   rest of course more amusing one was [TS]

00:37:46   you're in the wrong gear which is great [TS]

00:37:48   because i was driving an automatic mode [TS]

00:37:50   so that was nothing I could do anything [TS]

00:37:52   I can't like that if you could hear what [TS]

00:37:54   I'm saying in the car i'm just yelling [TS]

00:37:56   back at them it's like I know but I [TS]

00:37:57   can't fix it so there's definitely a [TS]

00:38:00   sort of oscillates between those things [TS]

00:38:01   of their telling you it's like at some [TS]

00:38:04   point it gets its encourage great [TS]

00:38:05   weather and telling you both [TS]

00:38:07   this is like this is what you should be [TS]

00:38:08   doing this is what you should be doing [TS]

00:38:09   at some point you're like that's great [TS]

00:38:11   you can do it and then every now and [TS]

00:38:12   then they'll do something that's ask you [TS]

00:38:13   to do something a little bit beyond what [TS]

00:38:14   you can do and you're like I got nothing [TS]

00:38:17   like I that I appreciate what you're [TS]

00:38:18   saying but you know i just i mean i [TS]

00:38:21   don't think i dont the confidence of the [TS]

00:38:23   skill to be able to accomplish that [TS]

00:38:25   so monday afternoon we started with the [TS]

00:38:28   m5 in a timed handling course and the [TS]

00:38:33   way this worked was we had half of the [TS]

00:38:36   skidpad that we used in the morning and [TS]

00:38:38   it was still wet so if that skip has big [TS]

00:38:41   circle we add a half circle so under yet [TS]

00:38:44   800 degrees to skip and it was still [TS]

00:38:46   getting soaked and the rest of the [TS]

00:38:48   course was a regular road course [TS]

00:38:50   including some fairly fast fits and it [TS]

00:38:54   was funny because in the classroom right [TS]

00:38:57   after launch on monday afternoon they [TS]

00:38:59   said to us a listen when you go in do [TS]

00:39:02   the big time lapse in the m5 you have to [TS]

00:39:05   understand the m5 has what 550 [TS]

00:39:07   horsepower and lex to 560 horsepower and [TS]

00:39:11   a million torques from 0 RPM and even [TS]

00:39:15   though you will come off the skidpad on [TS]

00:39:17   to drive pavement [TS]

00:39:19   things may look dry but the reality of [TS]

00:39:22   the situation is your rear well all [TS]

00:39:24   wheels but particular rear wheels will [TS]

00:39:26   still be wet and one of the analogies [TS]

00:39:28   that Donnie the head instructor used was [TS]

00:39:30   imagine that there were that there is a [TS]

00:39:33   string tied to the bottom of your [TS]

00:39:35   steering wheel to the top of your right [TS]

00:39:37   foot so if you turn the wheel either [TS]

00:39:40   direction that string is going to be [TS]

00:39:41   taught it's going to force you to its [TS]

00:39:43   going to pull your foot off the gas [TS]

00:39:45   pedal and then as you bring the wheel [TS]

00:39:47   back to Center that string will have a [TS]

00:39:50   little more loot will have a little more [TS]

00:39:51   slack and you can get back on the gas [TS]

00:39:54   and so what they said was listen and [TS]

00:39:56   they said this several times you really [TS]

00:39:59   need to be careful coming off the [TS]

00:40:01   skidpad because even when you're on [TS]

00:40:03   pavement that looks dry it it may not be [TS]

00:40:06   as dry as you think [TS]

00:40:08   furthermore as everyone is doing this [TS]

00:40:10   course all five of you are doing this [TS]

00:40:12   course and then the other two groups of [TS]

00:40:13   five either before or after you this [TS]

00:40:16   water that's only on the skid pad it's [TS]

00:40:19   going to get spread out so that in mind [TS]

00:40:22   we took our m5's onto this course and i [TS]

00:40:26   should note that i believe on Monday [TS]

00:40:28   Marco what color was your m5 I i forgot [TS]

00:40:32   it must have been with a good color like [TS]

00:40:34   black or maybe the orange of the blue [TS]

00:40:36   Dave do you remember what color markers [TS]

00:40:38   and five was I actually do I was right [TS]

00:40:39   behind him the whole time I believe it [TS]

00:40:41   was you know I thought it was white as [TS]

00:40:43   well and you know kids if you don't [TS]

00:40:46   think harm is real whether or not you're [TS]

00:40:49   religious whether or not you believe in [TS]

00:40:50   such hocus-pocus karma is real because [TS]

00:40:52   Marco for most of the two days had white [TS]

00:40:55   m cars and i can tell you nothing about [TS]

00:40:59   this trip made me happier than Marco [TS]

00:41:02   being in white cars pretty much the [TS]

00:41:03   whole time it was fantastic and I [TS]

00:41:07   remember we're talking about i'm sure [TS]

00:41:08   you don't lock it up [TS]

00:41:09   nah it wasn't white on the inside right [TS]

00:41:11   Marco no not at all it was it was nice [TS]

00:41:14   and black on the inside and that's the [TS]

00:41:15   part i saw yeah that's it [TS]

00:41:18   so anyway so we do this in the beginning [TS]

00:41:21   of monday afternoon again we split up [TS]

00:41:24   into three groups of three we all do [TS]

00:41:25   different things but we ended up on this [TS]

00:41:27   big lap first and so I don't recall [TS]

00:41:30   exactly how many laps of [TS]

00:41:32   that I'd done a lot you know it was it [TS]

00:41:35   was a few it was towards the end I think [TS]

00:41:36   but I come off the skidpad in the m5 and [TS]

00:41:41   i feel i'm feeling pretty confident and [TS]

00:41:44   if you as you come off the skidpad you [TS]

00:41:45   make a very slight right turn [TS]

00:41:47   there's a very small straightaway and [TS]

00:41:49   then there's a 90-degree right into a [TS]

00:41:50   90-degree left so it's an extern I come [TS]

00:41:53   off the skid pad and I get onto the dry [TS]

00:41:56   pavement and I think to myself self [TS]

00:41:58   you're in the dry pavement now you can [TS]

00:42:01   give her [TS]

00:42:01   you can give her some boob but you can [TS]

00:42:03   what you can do you know what stop here [TS]

00:42:05   give her some boot [TS]

00:42:07   yes do you not want to talk to you come [TS]

00:42:08   on I i can drop the hammer don't call [TS]

00:42:10   the trunk they call the boot yeah anyway [TS]

00:42:12   that's what being the point being i can [TS]

00:42:15   stand on the gas is that better for you [TS]

00:42:16   anyway so I come off the skidpad i'm on [TS]

00:42:20   dry pavement or so I think and my tires [TS]

00:42:24   are dry or so i think and i get on the [TS]

00:42:28   gas a little too hard and a little too [TS]

00:42:31   aggressively and next thing i know the [TS]

00:42:34   front of the car is pointed at a [TS]

00:42:36   90-degree angle to the road and [TS]

00:42:39   following that just a mere moment later [TS]

00:42:42   the next thing i know i am now in the [TS]

00:42:44   grass and doing a 360 in the grass and [TS]

00:42:49   what I haven't mentioned yet is that in [TS]

00:42:52   the lunch they have right after lunch on [TS]

00:42:55   Monday they came around with em badged [TS]

00:42:58   USB keys which ended up in eight gig USB [TS]

00:43:00   keys and they said hey listen we have [TS]

00:43:03   this magical slumbered telemetry box in [TS]

00:43:06   the trunk of every car and we have a USB [TS]

00:43:08   extension cord receptacle running into [TS]

00:43:11   the center console of every car as you [TS]

00:43:14   get into each car plug this magical USB [TS]

00:43:17   key into the magical USB receptacle and [TS]

00:43:19   you'll notice that there is a camera [TS]

00:43:21   pointed forward to see out the front [TS]

00:43:23   window and there's a camera on the [TS]

00:43:25   a-pillar on the passenger side pointed [TS]

00:43:27   at you and what ended up happening was [TS]

00:43:30   they these magical telemetry boxes would [TS]

00:43:33   record the two videos as well symmetry [TS]

00:43:36   for what you're doing on to this USB key [TS]

00:43:38   and so I video which will put in the [TS]

00:43:40   show notes assuming we have to post this [TS]

00:43:42   of me spinning out in somebody else's f [TS]

00:43:46   I've been going into the grass and the [TS]

00:43:47   really funny part of this is that right [TS]

00:43:50   after I spin out and at the very end of [TS]

00:43:52   the video because the videos [TS]

00:43:52   automatically stop when the car stops [TS]

00:43:54   you hear everything and that's the end [TS]

00:44:05   of the video so i think of both days if [TS]

00:44:09   i'm not mistaken was I the only person [TS]

00:44:11   that went off the track [TS]

00:44:12   yeah i was gonna ask you how many other [TS]

00:44:13   people went to the grass and I didn't I [TS]

00:44:16   i believe i was the only one there were [TS]

00:44:18   a lot of close to home [TS]

00:44:19   that's what i believe i was the only one [TS]

00:44:20   you know if if you if you didn't go into [TS]

00:44:22   the grass that probably means you aren't [TS]

00:44:23   driving hard to thank you John you don't [TS]

00:44:25   like everything like the whole thing [TS]

00:44:27   you're trying to do in this in this you [TS]

00:44:29   know learning how to drive like a [TS]

00:44:30   racecar whatever is it you know you're [TS]

00:44:31   always going to feel like you're going [TS]

00:44:32   to turn too fast you're always going to [TS]

00:44:34   feel like there's not enough room to [TS]

00:44:34   break you know what I mean anyway and [TS]

00:44:36   like what you're trying to work your way [TS]

00:44:37   up to is the point where you really [TS]

00:44:39   don't believe you're not yourself enough [TS]

00:44:40   room to break and you really do end up [TS]

00:44:41   you know under staring into the grass so [TS]

00:44:43   you really do put out a hit on the gas [TS]

00:44:45   too much coming out of turn and end up [TS]

00:44:46   spinning it around so I think Casey [TS]

00:44:48   should wear his lawn mowing adventure as [TS]

00:44:50   a badge of honor [TS]

00:44:52   now that would make that's a very good [TS]

00:44:54   point John that [TS]

00:44:55   yeah maybe Casey was actually driving [TS]

00:44:58   the fastest so Casey how did you do on [TS]

00:45:00   the lap times [TS]

00:45:01   well I don't believe what do we ever [TS]

00:45:04   hear times from this we did here x later [TS]

00:45:06   and I know what you're driving at but I [TS]

00:45:08   don't know that we ever heard times from [TS]

00:45:09   this so let me let me come back that I'm [TS]

00:45:11   not gonna dodge sure let's come back to [TS]

00:45:13   that but suffice to say one way or [TS]

00:45:16   another i believe of the two days I was [TS]

00:45:18   the only one who went off and when we [TS]

00:45:19   got back to the paddock or pit or [TS]

00:45:21   whatever you'd like to call it i did all [TS]

00:45:24   of us got out of the cars and Dave [TS]

00:45:26   walked up to me and Dave do you remember [TS]

00:45:27   exactly what you said hey I just remarks [TS]

00:45:30   and how I was kind of impressed that you [TS]

00:45:32   found some time to do some gardening in [TS]

00:45:33   the middle of our intensive driving [TS]

00:45:34   directly when we get back and we're like [TS]

00:45:37   you know we didn't know until we got to [TS]

00:45:39   the cars because Dave and I were not [TS]

00:45:41   within visible distance of seeing this [TS]

00:45:43   we didn't know who we know somebody [TS]

00:45:45   caused us to off to stop for for like 30 [TS]

00:45:47   seconds while they figure it out and so [TS]

00:45:50   we got in the car and both of our cars [TS]

00:45:52   are nice and clean look at caseys it's [TS]

00:45:55   covered in dirt [TS]

00:45:57   what I was not it [TS]

00:45:58   Casey I'm grasping his teeth and now [TS]

00:46:01   surprisingly nor did I have any in the [TS]

00:46:04   front grille but yes I was the one who [TS]

00:46:07   achieved going off track for the entire [TS]

00:46:10   two days now there were some very close [TS]

00:46:12   calls from others and unfortunately none [TS]

00:46:14   of those people are Marco or Dave but [TS]

00:46:17   there were some very close calls however [TS]

00:46:19   I was the only one who actually achieved [TS]

00:46:20   going off the track and doing a spot of [TS]

00:46:22   gardening but that's ok so tuesday or [TS]

00:46:26   excuse me monday afternoon we continued [TS]

00:46:28   by doing another slalom and therefore [TS]

00:46:31   it's actually I'm sorry was a time [TS]

00:46:32   course I think this is what marco was [TS]

00:46:33   referring to the next thing we did was [TS]

00:46:35   we took the m3's into this time course [TS]

00:46:37   we did a slalom then we did this hard [TS]

00:46:40   break into a box that was as wide as 2 [TS]

00:46:44   or 3 m3 is but only as deep as about 1 [TS]

00:46:46   m3 and the mission here was to stop in [TS]

00:46:50   the box and do the entire course as [TS]

00:46:52   quickly as possible and if you went [TS]

00:46:56   outside of the box either because you [TS]

00:46:58   stopped his 22 sooner you stop too late [TS]

00:47:00   then they would add time to your [TS]

00:47:03   official time so i think was a two [TS]

00:47:05   second penalty if you stopped too soon [TS]

00:47:07   or too late and marcos driving at is [TS]

00:47:09   despite the fact that i tried to drive [TS]

00:47:12   the doors off of this m3 i do believe [TS]

00:47:15   Marco beat me by like five tenths of a [TS]

00:47:19   second five hundreds of the second one [TS]

00:47:20   of the other is that right [TS]

00:47:22   it was very close i mean the funny thing [TS]

00:47:24   was there was there were a few events [TS]

00:47:26   where the instructors time to everybody [TS]

00:47:28   and and then David they posted the [TS]

00:47:30   results in a little sheet you could look [TS]

00:47:31   at lunch you could look at and and none [TS]

00:47:34   of us were spectacular [TS]

00:47:36   the funny thing was between the three of [TS]

00:47:38   us you know we were driving very [TS]

00:47:39   differently [TS]

00:47:41   Casey was was you know pretty good i was [TS]

00:47:45   sloppy [TS]

00:47:45   Casey was consistent I was not I had [TS]

00:47:48   some laps that beat him but I never had [TS]

00:47:50   like you know a full eventbrite where I [TS]

00:47:52   beat him by a notable amount and dave [TS]

00:47:55   was driving like a corolla owner haha [TS]

00:47:58   and yet the three of us all had [TS]

00:48:00   extremely similar times like it [TS]

00:48:03   that was one of the most interesting [TS]

00:48:04   information about this to me is that I [TS]

00:48:06   felt like you you feel like you're [TS]

00:48:08   driving very differently out there [TS]

00:48:11   then you get back into co well you know [TS]

00:48:12   there's actually a lot of ways to do [TS]

00:48:13   this and like if you start getting [TS]

00:48:15   sloppy and started like you know losing [TS]

00:48:17   control here and there and kicking the [TS]

00:48:18   butt out here and there for like a [TS]

00:48:20   little like quarter of a second [TS]

00:48:22   it's really not faster and the fastest [TS]

00:48:25   way through the course is like the clean [TS]

00:48:27   technique way and so the three of us [TS]

00:48:31   like we felt very different driving [TS]

00:48:33   things but we were actually doing almost [TS]

00:48:35   identically Dave were you there when [TS]

00:48:37   Derek was talking to us about this [TS]

00:48:39   do you remember what he said everything [TS]

00:48:40   he was talking a lot about how many used [TS]

00:48:43   is the broader lesson that I think [TS]

00:48:46   there's a lot of people come out to [TS]

00:48:47   something like this and they think [TS]

00:48:48   they're just like they think they know [TS]

00:48:50   what they're doing or they're just over [TS]

00:48:52   overconfident and kind of a overly [TS]

00:48:55   aggressive and they be attacking the [TS]

00:48:58   course with just you know the throwing [TS]

00:49:00   power at the problem i guess like there [TS]

00:49:02   is trying to as as much as they can kind [TS]

00:49:05   of brute force the the solution to it [TS]

00:49:08   and so they're like as hard and the cars [TS]

00:49:10   throwing the car around and not very [TS]

00:49:12   controlled are clean and there we have [TS]

00:49:15   someone who's a bit more like me which I [TS]

00:49:16   can't say like I hit all the lines [TS]

00:49:18   perfectly but I was typically going [TS]

00:49:20   slower and so I have much more time to [TS]

00:49:23   get my lines tidy and get and sort of [TS]

00:49:25   make fewer mistakes and try and do [TS]

00:49:28   things a bit more textbook if not a bit [TS]

00:49:30   slower but the reality is those two [TS]

00:49:32   things there's sort of this curve [TS]

00:49:34   between where there is what i'm doing is [TS]

00:49:37   on one sort of side of the bell curve [TS]

00:49:38   and then it kind of peeks up at the [TS]

00:49:41   absence of the optimal car control we [TS]

00:49:44   should be its beer both technically [TS]

00:49:46   correct as well as quick and then starts [TS]

00:49:48   to just slide off on the other side just [TS]

00:49:50   just just as deeply and you start to get [TS]

00:49:53   overly powered overly sloppy and those [TS]

00:49:55   types of things and then the end up at [TS]

00:49:57   exactly the same . that your dry anyway [TS]

00:49:59   we think we saw this little bit in some [TS]

00:50:00   of the telemetry things where you know [TS]

00:50:02   your I think Casey especially you you're [TS]

00:50:04   on the throttle hundred percent like get [TS]

00:50:06   your flight pedal pedal all the way down [TS]

00:50:09   far more than I ever was but the overall [TS]

00:50:11   time doesn't it we know is only [TS]

00:50:13   marginally different because at the end [TS]

00:50:16   because you're as a result of doing that [TS]

00:50:18   you're having to throw the car around a [TS]

00:50:20   lot more in ways that aren't actually [TS]

00:50:22   productive [TS]

00:50:22   yeah it's not even so much i think the [TS]

00:50:24   maximum power is that if you are being [TS]

00:50:26   aggressive and driving you know like it [TS]

00:50:28   like a butthead you're probably over [TS]

00:50:29   break probably over-braking to so then [TS]

00:50:32   you build a ball that speed and then [TS]

00:50:34   you're like whoa whoa you scrub it off [TS]

00:50:35   but now you're going too slow as you [TS]

00:50:37   gotta push back on the speed and just [TS]

00:50:38   you know you thats you're killing [TS]

00:50:40   yourself by going too fast too slow to [TS]

00:50:41   fast was looking at a slowing and if you [TS]

00:50:43   could just taking the average of that [TS]

00:50:45   speed and going around the course like [TS]

00:50:46   Dave you would have a similar time what [TS]

00:50:48   you want to go is too fast and just [TS]

00:50:50   barely slowed enough not to off the [TS]

00:50:51   course and fasting right exactly and one [TS]

00:50:54   of the exercises actually what I know [TS]

00:50:55   this is skipping ahead sorry is a date [TS]

00:50:58   they do a a two-car race called the rat [TS]

00:51:02   race on on a figure eight shape skidpad [TS]

00:51:05   actually that's next I'll good the idea [TS]

00:51:07   is or was it wasn't on the figure eight [TS]

00:51:10   is on the same course but it wasn't a [TS]

00:51:11   figure-eight was just a big oval right I [TS]

00:51:13   guess they figure it would be dangerous [TS]

00:51:14   should be crashing that's it was an oval [TS]

00:51:16   and the idea was the cars start at [TS]

00:51:20   opposite points of the Oval pointed you [TS]

00:51:23   know in the same direction like [TS]

00:51:24   everyone's going going counterclockwise [TS]

00:51:25   and you and you try to catch up with the [TS]

00:51:27   other car so you have to like gain a [TS]

00:51:29   half a lap on them basically and it's on [TS]

00:51:32   a skidpad and you're in we were we did [TS]

00:51:35   it in m6's so it's you know massive [TS]

00:51:37   power rear wheel drive car with traction [TS]

00:51:39   control to totally off on a skidpad so [TS]

00:51:42   it's actually an exercise in control and [TS]

00:51:46   consistency because you have enough [TS]

00:51:47   space to get some speed going in a [TS]

00:51:49   straight line for a second then you have [TS]

00:51:51   to immediately slow down and be able to [TS]

00:51:54   turn without spinning out and it was a [TS]

00:51:57   really interesting exercise because like [TS]

00:52:00   you again like you would think that oh [TS]

00:52:01   if you can like power slide around [TS]

00:52:03   they'll get in front no actually that's [TS]

00:52:04   not the fastest way around and so we we [TS]

00:52:07   get to the skidpad to do this event and [TS]

00:52:10   we first do a couple of practice laps in [TS]

00:52:12   the practice last for me in kc at first [TS]

00:52:14   and right and i think that's right yeah [TS]

00:52:17   and so we get on there and the first was [TS]

00:52:20   me and Dave and I i beat dave after five [TS]

00:52:24   or six laps I was like I was like a car [TS]

00:52:26   lengths ahead it wasn't a half a car [TS]

00:52:28   length and it wasn't a big difference [TS]

00:52:29   but I was I was ahead so I want then [TS]

00:52:32   they brought Casey on to do a practice [TS]

00:52:34   lap against me [TS]

00:52:35   and he just kicked my butt are you sure [TS]

00:52:37   I thought you'd be I thought you might [TS]

00:52:39   beat me on that problem the practice lab [TS]

00:52:40   nope [TS]

00:52:41   so what happened what is so you beat me [TS]

00:52:44   on the practice lap and then and a [TS]

00:52:46   neutral like all right now what will [TS]

00:52:47   start for real case you can stay out [TS]

00:52:49   there and we'll have one you know you [TS]

00:52:51   know add the next person whoever wins [TS]

00:52:52   gets to stay and we'll see who's left at [TS]

00:52:54   the end so first up they put they put on [TS]

00:53:00   you know the the rest of the people and [TS]

00:53:01   there are five people in groups they put [TS]

00:53:03   on for those i was last Casey beat every [TS]

00:53:06   single one of them he said he was the [TS]

00:53:08   master at this weird like skidpad race [TS]

00:53:11   just like just just don't mess up just [TS]

00:53:14   stay consistent and just don't get [TS]

00:53:16   sloppy and I got on there i was the very [TS]

00:53:20   last person left at the end and I get on [TS]

00:53:23   there and I was getting sloppy because [TS]

00:53:25   he was gaining on me and and the whole [TS]

00:53:27   time you're hearing from the structure [TS]

00:53:28   of the radio you're hearing alright [TS]

00:53:30   cases now have Carla head cases that one [TS]

00:53:32   calling the head so you hearing how [TS]

00:53:33   you're doing and so my instinct to to [TS]

00:53:37   overcome that and try to try to like [TS]

00:53:39   regain the the loss was to go faster and [TS]

00:53:43   to get sloppier which is exactly what [TS]

00:53:45   you shouldn't do and eventually then [TS]

00:53:48   Casey kicked my butt too and this it was [TS]

00:53:52   it was a very very clear and strong [TS]

00:53:54   victory and it was interesting how like [TS]

00:53:56   not only was Casey good at something [TS]

00:53:58   while driving a white car [TS]

00:53:59   I believe you are you were in the white [TS]

00:54:01   one this at this point yeah not only [TS]

00:54:03   were you good at something [TS]

00:54:04   driving a white car that was not a [TS]

00:54:05   manual but it was a really great [TS]

00:54:08   exercise in like trying to get faster [TS]

00:54:11   actually made me slower should have [TS]

00:54:13   fired a green shell backwards haha i've [TS]

00:54:17   got a lot of people still know you can [TS]

00:54:18   do that [TS]

00:54:19   I knew you could do that come on [TS]

00:54:20   everybody everybody knows you could [TS]

00:54:21   everyone is good news you know the funny [TS]

00:54:23   thing is is that to be honest I think [TS]

00:54:25   easily three of the four victories were [TS]

00:54:28   because the proponent just got a little [TS]

00:54:31   overzealous and spun out and I know it's [TS]

00:54:34   funny being all smug about that after i [TS]

00:54:35   just told you I went off in the grass [TS]

00:54:37   and I was the only one who did so but [TS]

00:54:39   believe it or not it was just me lasting [TS]

00:54:42   long enough not to be the first one [TS]

00:54:44   that's been out that I think I got most [TS]

00:54:46   of my victories and Marco I don't [TS]

00:54:48   believe you had spun [TS]

00:54:49   I didn't spin but i can't I I definitely [TS]

00:54:51   had a lot of oversteer towards the end [TS]

00:54:52   when I was trying to catch up so i was [TS]

00:54:54   slowed down a lot right but the end of [TS]

00:54:56   the day really my victory was more about [TS]

00:54:58   me just not screwing up first then it [TS]

00:55:01   was about me having any sort of [TS]

00:55:03   technical skill well exactly like that's [TS]

00:55:05   what Dave was saying landed what's wrong [TS]

00:55:06   with saying that that's that's what [TS]

00:55:08   succeeds in this kind of environment is [TS]

00:55:10   like just just be just drive [TS]

00:55:12   consistently and not crazily and you'll [TS]

00:55:15   do pretty well because you try to get [TS]

00:55:17   crazy you start losing control and [TS]

00:55:19   losing time so that was day one [TS]

00:55:23   Dave any other thoughts on day one the [TS]

00:55:25   other thing that we did there was a lot [TS]

00:55:26   of fun as you j-turns which is just kind [TS]

00:55:28   of uh yes that was a lot of it is a [TS]

00:55:31   complete is the cat it's one of those [TS]

00:55:33   skills that I hope desperately that I [TS]

00:55:35   never need an actual life where i need [TS]

00:55:37   to you know put my car around when i'm [TS]

00:55:39   being chased by bad guys or something [TS]

00:55:41   but there's a lot of fun did to take you [TS]

00:55:44   know to take taking m3 and spin it [TS]

00:55:45   around is definitely the fastest i think [TS]

00:55:47   any less of her driven in reverse and [TS]

00:55:49   maybe then we look this up before [TS]

00:55:51   something about how the BMW's don't have [TS]

00:55:53   the dog tooth gears and reverse that [TS]

00:55:55   will make that terrible wine [TS]

00:55:56   yes I think we talked about this on the [TS]

00:55:58   regular series of natural butter but [TS]

00:56:00   yeah so in case you don't know what a [TS]

00:56:01   j-turn is basically the moral of the [TS]

00:56:02   story is you you do about 30 miles an [TS]

00:56:04   hour backwards and again the key is that [TS]

00:56:07   we were on a skidpad here and in this [TS]

00:56:08   case we're in m3 is not the m6 as we [TS]

00:56:10   were talking about earlier and you i [TS]

00:56:13   believe we were in threes when we were [TS]

00:56:15   just for this [TS]

00:56:16   ok so we were in an m3 where the [TS]

00:56:19   instructor bottom three out to the [TS]

00:56:21   course and we were all on him sixes and [TS]

00:56:22   we got the instructors and three and [TS]

00:56:24   he's in the passenger seat and we're in [TS]

00:56:26   the driver's seat many says right here's [TS]

00:56:28   what's gonna happen you're going to get [TS]

00:56:30   to the edge of the skidpad almost in the [TS]

00:56:32   grass you're going to go as quickly as [TS]

00:56:34   you can reverse without skidding and [TS]

00:56:36   when I tell you to you're gonna whip the [TS]

00:56:39   wheel to the left the left to the left [TS]

00:56:41   remember that Marcos the yes yes Marco [TS]

00:56:44   is the left [TS]

00:56:45   no no not your other left the left it [TS]

00:56:47   was confusing [TS]

00:56:49   uh-huh so anyway so you you whip the [TS]

00:56:51   wheel to the left and he will operate [TS]

00:56:53   the gearshift all you have to do is whip [TS]

00:56:56   that wheel to left like your life [TS]

00:56:58   depends on it and every single one of us [TS]

00:57:01   all five of us [TS]

00:57:02   were able to to bang out a j-turn with [TS]

00:57:05   some amount of skill which of course [TS]

00:57:08   really amounted to just us listening to [TS]

00:57:10   the instructor and turning left or [TS]

00:57:12   marcos case occasionally right when he [TS]

00:57:15   told us to [TS]

00:57:15   so what were they doing with the shifter [TS]

00:57:17   putting you back in to drive i guess [TS]

00:57:18   they were flipping into neutral so the [TS]

00:57:20   idea is you go really fast backwards [TS]

00:57:23   u-turn really hard to the but spins out [TS]

00:57:25   in the car just basically spins out so [TS]

00:57:28   that it points to self forward and the [TS]

00:57:30   inertia will keep carrying it forward [TS]

00:57:31   slightly after you're done [TS]

00:57:33   so all you have to do is right before [TS]

00:57:35   you turn is just disengage a reverse [TS]

00:57:38   gear so that it doesn't start fighting [TS]

00:57:40   against the inertia wonder what you [TS]

00:57:42   wouldn't give for a clutch in that [TS]

00:57:43   situation right Casey omn brother but [TS]

00:57:45   you know it is what it is and so we was [TS]

00:57:48   it was very cool though and we were able [TS]

00:57:50   to once Marco realized which direction [TS]

00:57:52   was left even he was able to listen to [TS]

00:57:55   the instructor and bang out a j-turn [TS]

00:57:58   which I gotta say was a tremendous [TS]

00:58:01   amount of fun so Dave I'm glad you [TS]

00:58:02   brought that up [TS]

00:58:02   what why did they tell you why they want [TS]

00:58:04   you to steer to the left to do it as [TS]

00:58:06   opposed to the other way [TS]

00:58:07   oh yeah well because if you turn the [TS]

00:58:09   other direction and you didn't stop you [TS]

00:58:12   would hit the spectators right exactly [TS]

00:58:14   so it's not the left or right is really [TS]

00:58:16   important it just so happens that if you [TS]

00:58:19   were in the car as you were backing up [TS]

00:58:21   all the spectators were to your right [TS]

00:58:23   and so the idea is you whip the car to [TS]

00:58:26   the left so that if you just like Marco [TS]

00:58:28   said if you fly you know 20 30 feet in [TS]

00:58:32   the direction of perpendicular to where [TS]

00:58:34   you were originally going then at least [TS]

00:58:36   you would drive into nothingness as [TS]

00:58:38   opposed to driving into your newfound [TS]

00:58:39   friends there's nothing about the [TS]

00:58:41   dynamics of the cars just has to do with [TS]

00:58:42   people where the people were correct you [TS]

00:58:44   can do in both directions i was confused [TS]

00:58:46   and eventually migrated which way do you [TS]

00:58:48   want the butt of the car . i will make [TS]

00:58:50   it do that now you're remapping theater [TS]

00:58:52   stop left Martin turned left into the [TS]

00:58:55   gas station because you're when you're [TS]

00:58:56   virtually wait to turn the wheel what [TS]

00:58:58   direction it was just just tell me where [TS]

00:59:00   the quarter . i'll do that as soon as [TS]

00:59:02   soon as he did that and that's how I [TS]

00:59:03   thought about it was perfect right so [TS]

00:59:05   after that that was the end of day one [TS]

00:59:07   and then and at the BMW facility they [TS]

00:59:09   served us a nice german me love was its [TS]

00:59:12   bachelor shits schnitzel i always get it [TS]

00:59:14   wrong [TS]

00:59:14   I don't think we're even qualified to [TS]

00:59:15   say it was good Adam it was German the [TS]

00:59:18   schnitzel because it didn't think you [TS]

00:59:20   had special is like a little like up [TS]

00:59:22   drops of pasta looking stuff whereas [TS]

00:59:25   missile is the breaded meet i think not [TS]

00:59:27   every every Germans in the chat room who [TS]

00:59:29   cannot real-time correct us in that case [TS]

00:59:31   ocean solution its soul in two different [TS]

00:59:33   kinds of sausages and sauerkraut and it [TS]

00:59:36   was very it was very very good and they [TS]

00:59:37   had they had an open bar with beer that [TS]

00:59:41   I choke down because I'm not a beer [TS]

00:59:43   drinker [TS]

00:59:43   oh you volunteered to to have a beer [TS]

00:59:46   desperate times call for desperate [TS]

00:59:47   measures Marco there were other options [TS]

00:59:49   and you volunteer to have a beer it was [TS]

00:59:52   wine or Die cokin as much as I love me a [TS]

00:59:54   dyke okay that could add a water or [TS]

00:59:56   sprite they had sprite edster they [TS]

00:59:58   didn't write the hall [TS]

00:59:58   didn't write the hall [TS]

01:00:00   what are you doing that John you missed [TS]

01:00:02   out you really missed out anyway what is [TS]

01:00:05   very good dinner and we all got [TS]

01:00:06   socializing was really nice all jokes [TS]

01:00:08   aside was really nice about the entire [TS]

01:00:11   experience was that everyone that we met [TS]

01:00:14   all 15 people and the five or six [TS]

01:00:16   instructors so call it all 20 people [TS]

01:00:18   they were all incredibly incredibly nice [TS]

01:00:21   and some of them were very very quick [TS]

01:00:23   well obviously the instructors were but [TS]

01:00:25   even the the students some of them were [TS]

01:00:26   very quick and some of the morning and [TS]

01:00:29   they were all extremely nice and there [TS]

01:00:32   was a dad and a son that was there there [TS]

01:00:35   was a mother-daughter that were there [TS]

01:00:36   and all of them every single person was [TS]

01:00:39   extremely nice it was really easy to [TS]

01:00:41   socialize with everyone there were a [TS]

01:00:42   couple other m5 owners and and I and I [TS]

01:00:45   don't mean this to be passive-aggressive [TS]

01:00:46   towards Marco but you know your [TS]

01:00:48   assumption is if you can afford a car [TS]

01:00:50   like an m5 you might look down your nose [TS]

01:00:52   at anyone who can't afford a car like an [TS]

01:00:54   m5 and none of them were like that at [TS]

01:00:57   all they were all extremely nice and [TS]

01:00:59   extremely approachable and none of their [TS]

01:01:01   cars will bite and none of the cars were [TS]

01:01:03   white which is why they were extremely [TS]

01:01:04   not just kidding but it was really [TS]

01:01:07   really incredible and so after after [TS]

01:01:09   dinner we were brought back to the hotel [TS]

01:01:11   we were able to stay up if we wanted to [TS]

01:01:13   but at this point we were all exhausted [TS]

01:01:15   so we crashed pretty early [TS]

01:01:17   everyone quick noses and say about day [TS]

01:01:18   one is that you can do it as a day one [TS]

01:01:20   and it is a one day or two day course [TS]

01:01:22   and i think it was interesting having [TS]

01:01:24   doing the two day course in some ways [TS]

01:01:26   you do the whole one day course i would [TS]

01:01:28   say if this is if you're someone listen [TS]

01:01:30   to this you would actually consider [TS]

01:01:32   going to this but for whatever reason [TS]

01:01:33   could only do the one day like the two [TS]

01:01:35   day was different to say worse that [TS]

01:01:36   worth it but the one day if you did just [TS]

01:01:38   the one day it would have been an [TS]

01:01:41   amazing trip still like you could it [TS]

01:01:44   would take at the end of the first day [TS]

01:01:45   it felt very satisfying very worthwhile [TS]

01:01:48   and very useful like the second is built [TS]

01:01:51   on top of that you'd agree with that [TS]

01:01:53   yeah i would say that day one was kind [TS]

01:01:55   of theory and granted there was [TS]

01:01:57   application don't get me wrong but I [TS]

01:01:59   feel like day one was more about Theory [TS]

01:02:01   where is day two was more was less about [TS]

01:02:03   theory more about application which were [TS]

01:02:05   about to get into but just like Dave [TS]

01:02:07   said I if if for whatever reason you can [TS]

01:02:09   only swing a one day course be it [TS]

01:02:11   because the time or because of finance [TS]

01:02:13   whatever it's still worth it was still a [TS]

01:02:16   tremendous tremendous amount of fun [TS]

01:02:17   yeah after the one day all three of us [TS]

01:02:19   said to each other like if that was it [TS]

01:02:21   we'd be very happy [TS]

01:02:22   yeah absolutely so anyway so it's [TS]

01:02:25   getting into day-to-day to is [TS]

01:02:27   essentially the application of all of [TS]

01:02:29   the basic skills and things that we'd [TS]

01:02:31   learned today before and it was [TS]

01:02:32   essentially just mostly just building up [TS]

01:02:34   towards being confident enough to do [TS]

01:02:37   what I just started calling their bike [TS]

01:02:39   their power lap or whatever you want to [TS]

01:02:40   call it but it's the the full course [TS]

01:02:42   from end to end which is essentially in [TS]

01:02:46   the morning what we did is we split that [TS]

01:02:47   Chris put the course down into two [TS]

01:02:49   sections one of them sort of a higher [TS]

01:02:51   speed course they have one more kind of [TS]

01:02:53   handling course and so we start off in [TS]

01:02:56   the morning doing what they refer to as [TS]

01:02:58   their main corner which is this very [TS]

01:03:00   sort of long gradual sweeping corner [TS]

01:03:02   that you can take at relatively high [TS]

01:03:05   speed and is a sort of you know it by [TS]

01:03:09   its it served it's a hairpin turn and [TS]

01:03:11   that you're you're going in one way and [TS]

01:03:12   coming out the complete opposite [TS]

01:03:13   direction but it's over such a long [TS]

01:03:15   distance that you can carry a tremendous [TS]

01:03:17   amount of speed through it and so most [TS]

01:03:18   of it was just trying to get confident [TS]

01:03:21   it it would the hardest part of this for [TS]

01:03:23   me on that is looking at a corner and [TS]

01:03:26   going into a corner at don't even know [TS]

01:03:28   it was 50 miles an hour and then turning [TS]

01:03:30   your car and having that not feel [TS]

01:03:32   completely insane [TS]

01:03:34   you're exactly right in with the the [TS]

01:03:37   corner was so big again it was like a [TS]

01:03:38   hundred eighty degree turn but the [TS]

01:03:40   radius of this half circle was [TS]

01:03:42   tremendous and so it was long enough [TS]

01:03:44   that they basically told you split this [TS]

01:03:46   into two different corners and what you [TS]

01:03:49   had to do was grab one apex early on fly [TS]

01:03:52   out to the outside part in order to prep [TS]

01:03:55   to get into the second apex and then [TS]

01:03:57   coming out of the second apex you just [TS]

01:03:59   got hard on the gas hard on the gas and [TS]

01:04:01   then like Marco talked about quite a [TS]

01:04:02   while ago you stand on the break in [TS]

01:04:05   order to get to get this s turn out of [TS]

01:04:07   the way and it was it was incredible and [TS]

01:04:10   one of the things that I learned during [TS]

01:04:12   this course ordering that during the [TS]

01:04:14   two-day am school is that even in a BMW [TS]

01:04:17   M car brake fade is a real thing and I [TS]

01:04:21   don't know if you guys noticed this but [TS]

01:04:22   particularly in the m5 I think I noticed [TS]

01:04:25   that the most [TS]

01:04:26   and the m6 was not a lot better after a [TS]

01:04:28   while you would stand on the brake and [TS]

01:04:31   things that were stopping quickly [TS]

01:04:33   suddenly weren't stopping quite so [TS]

01:04:36   quickly then I have carbon ceramic [TS]

01:04:38   brakes on the m5 not only is no although [TS]

01:04:40   i award you five bonus points for asking [TS]

01:04:42   and asking the question [TS]

01:04:43   no none of them at carbon ceramic brakes [TS]

01:04:45   however all of the cars every single one [TS]

01:04:47   of them really well appointed really [TS]

01:04:50   really well appointed like some of them [TS]

01:04:51   had the how much is the Bang & Olufsen [TS]

01:04:53   stereo Marco on the m5 3700 dollars [TS]

01:04:57   right and so half the m5 had this like [TS]

01:04:59   ridiculous Bang & Olufsen stereo that I [TS]

01:05:01   don't think any of us turned on not once [TS]

01:05:03   actually I try to just get the stupid [TS]

01:05:04   little speaker elevate up in the middle [TS]

01:05:06   in the center console but yeah it's that [TS]

01:05:09   they and they had night vision they had [TS]

01:05:11   a few of them had like all these crazy [TS]

01:05:12   options that like there's really not a [TS]

01:05:15   lot of reason for for a car that's gonna [TS]

01:05:18   spend the first half or so of its life [TS]

01:05:20   on a racetrack being thrown around with [TS]

01:05:23   the radio off there's not a lot of [TS]

01:05:25   reason for you to have these like [TS]

01:05:26   thousands of dollars of options on them [TS]

01:05:29   but for whatever reason they did I don't [TS]

01:05:31   know what what I guess it's because they [TS]

01:05:33   do eventually auction these off and [TS]

01:05:35   resell them and we talked to the [TS]

01:05:37   instructors about this briefly and they [TS]

01:05:39   said we don't know if the deals on these [TS]

01:05:41   cars are any good or not and yes as far [TS]

01:05:44   as they know they do have to disclose [TS]

01:05:46   exactly how these cars started their [TS]

01:05:48   lives but also consider for what it's [TS]

01:05:50   worth that these cars get oil changes [TS]

01:05:52   constantly they get break changes [TS]

01:05:54   constantly and when I say break changes [TS]

01:05:55   i don't just mean pads [TS]

01:05:57   I mean they get brake fluid changes to [TS]

01:05:59   get rotor changes to get pad changes all [TS]

01:06:01   the time and in fact every time these [TS]

01:06:03   cars leave the BMW Performance Center [TS]

01:06:05   which they do occasionally to go to say [TS]

01:06:07   road atlanta or vir for event [TS]

01:06:09   apparently they basically got the darn [TS]

01:06:12   things and put all sorts of new bits on [TS]

01:06:15   them so that when they're off site [TS]

01:06:17   they're pretty much guaranteed to work [TS]

01:06:18   is not right is that what you guys heard [TS]

01:06:20   that is what they said tip so yes so it [TS]

01:06:23   was I don't know I digress but it was a [TS]

01:06:25   very interesting little story so like [TS]

01:06:27   they've said we start out the man corner [TS]

01:06:29   and that was a lot about learning how to [TS]

01:06:32   take a very high speed constant radius [TS]

01:06:35   turn as well as how to do what they [TS]

01:06:37   called a compromise corner which [TS]

01:06:39   is to say an S turn so you have a corner [TS]

01:06:42   where you want to come into the apex [TS]

01:06:44   late but if you do that set you up very [TS]

01:06:47   poorly for the second corner so on the [TS]

01:06:49   first corner you actually want to apex [TS]

01:06:50   early in order to better set yourself up [TS]

01:06:53   for a second corner that was in the m5 i [TS]

01:06:55   did not go off the track on that one [TS]

01:06:57   after that we took the m6 on a handling [TS]

01:07:00   course which included a corkscrew and [TS]

01:07:03   I've never been to laguna seca but the [TS]

01:07:04   what the pictures and videos I've seen [TS]

01:07:07   of laguna seca and made me think of [TS]

01:07:09   laguna seca as quarks or whatever they [TS]

01:07:11   call it a when we did that and that was [TS]

01:07:14   odd that was incredibly scary incredibly [TS]

01:07:17   thrilling but incredibly scary because [TS]

01:07:19   as you're going down this hill there's [TS]

01:07:22   kind of a mini s turn on the hill itself [TS]

01:07:24   and that's the corkscrew and you can't [TS]

01:07:27   see a thing when you crest the top of it [TS]

01:07:31   and . yourself down the hill and and [TS]

01:07:34   they say you know once you get yourself [TS]

01:07:36   lined up appropriately you can stand on [TS]

01:07:39   the gas even an m6 which again is a [TS]

01:07:42   little bit [TS]

01:07:43   oh my i would actually argue overpowered [TS]

01:07:45   and so for me I felt like it all my god [TS]

01:07:49   it was so scary doing that because you [TS]

01:07:51   just have to go on faith that you're not [TS]

01:07:53   going to screw up and especially the [TS]

01:07:54   first time but even other times it was [TS]

01:07:56   scary like I'm curious to hear both mark [TS]

01:07:59   when Dave and let's start with Marco did [TS]

01:08:00   you find that to be petrifying or door [TS]

01:08:02   what am I the only one I was pretty much [TS]

01:08:04   petrified whenever I was driving the m6 [TS]

01:08:07   yeah I would agree with that actually [TS]

01:08:09   and and at um we we talked about before [TS]

01:08:12   we do this episode we talked about how [TS]

01:08:13   can we make this interesting to more [TS]

01:08:16   people than just potential or current [TS]

01:08:18   BMW M car owners and so we promised [TS]

01:08:21   myself I wouldn't get too much into the [TS]

01:08:23   details of the particular models because [TS]

01:08:26   who cares [TS]

01:08:27   although we all agreed the m3 is by far [TS]

01:08:29   the best track car at least the most fun [TS]

01:08:31   but I was confident in the m5 because I [TS]

01:08:34   at least Drive one so I know how it [TS]

01:08:37   feels and iikind of respect the amount [TS]

01:08:41   of power it has I know how it comes on [TS]

01:08:43   and so I know how not to overdo it [TS]

01:08:45   the m6 is in many ways the same car same [TS]

01:08:49   engine you know same thing saved same [TS]

01:08:51   drivetrain it is a very very similar car [TS]

01:08:54   but because it's unfamiliar to me and it [TS]

01:08:58   also has terrible visibility is [TS]

01:09:01   different [TS]

01:09:02   basically i was i was a lot less [TS]

01:09:04   confident X because it even though I was [TS]

01:09:06   familiar with how the engine responds I [TS]

01:09:08   was not familiar with have a car [TS]

01:09:10   responds and the within the m6 I came [TS]

01:09:14   closest to losing control during the [TS]

01:09:16   during the course and i also almost plot [TS]

01:09:19   over some cones missed a few turns in [TS]

01:09:20   the m6 whereas the in the m3 and m5 I [TS]

01:09:23   never had that that never had those [TS]

01:09:24   problems so so Dave what did you think [TS]

01:09:27   of the three colors very briefly [TS]

01:09:28   particularly particularly the m6 they [TS]

01:09:32   generally is like the server boring [TS]

01:09:33   opinion in that i think the the three [TS]

01:09:35   was is felt much more in I felt much [TS]

01:09:39   more in control in the three and that it [TS]

01:09:41   fits ability to its power and its [TS]

01:09:45   agility seemed well matched it's like if [TS]

01:09:47   I was playing some RPG and I was like [TS]

01:09:49   rolling dice it's like he was a [TS]

01:09:51   well-balanced that's not hard to both in [TS]

01:09:54   terms of you know its power match very [TS]

01:09:56   well with its agility whereas he says [TS]

01:09:58   you start to get higher up if they start [TS]

01:10:01   to get very out of whack and I think [TS]

01:10:02   especially in the six where it felt like [TS]

01:10:05   your kind of steering with a rudder but [TS]

01:10:07   it's got this huge engine on it like it [TS]

01:10:09   just didn't turn in the way that you [TS]

01:10:11   would necessarily wanted to and the five [TS]

01:10:13   was a bit of a balance between that that [TS]

01:10:15   it was had a lot of power but if you [TS]

01:10:17   could still had reasonable handling and [TS]

01:10:19   then the six it just felt like it was [TS]

01:10:20   real it is for me it was very mismatched [TS]

01:10:23   in that way and it was just an which [TS]

01:10:25   made it very awkward to serve to feel [TS]

01:10:28   like you're actually in control of it [TS]

01:10:29   rather than it just kind of going where [TS]

01:10:31   it's wanting is it's good it's going to [TS]

01:10:33   go where it's going to go and you're [TS]

01:10:34   just kind of making your requests to it [TS]

01:10:36   and hoping that it he is 270 degrees [TS]

01:10:39   with you I felt like the m3 it could [TS]

01:10:42   have used to smidge more power but [TS]

01:10:44   generally speaking Dave hit spot on it [TS]

01:10:46   was the right amount of power for the [TS]

01:10:47   right amount of agility i agree with [TS]

01:10:49   Marco that the m5 well it still felt a [TS]

01:10:53   little imbalanced by and large it was [TS]

01:10:55   still within reason the right amount of [TS]

01:10:57   power for the right [TS]

01:10:58   amount of chassis whereas the m6 I felt [TS]

01:11:00   was way too much power and nowhere near [TS]

01:11:03   enough chassis and I never thought in a [TS]

01:11:05   million years that I would ever say that [TS]

01:11:06   because as much as we joke during the [TS]

01:11:08   first season of neutral and perhaps only [TS]

01:11:10   seasonal neutral that we are all james [TS]

01:11:12   may I think i have very Clarkson healthy [TS]

01:11:15   tendencies and I tend to like power [TS]

01:11:18   power power in the m6 just had way too [TS]

01:11:20   much power in in not enough chassis [TS]

01:11:22   behind it so I'm very surprised I'm [TS]

01:11:25   surprised it's the same chassis as the [TS]

01:11:27   m5 though so what do you mean when you [TS]

01:11:29   say that not enough chassis like whether [TS]

01:11:31   the power putting the car out of kilter [TS]

01:11:32   was like yes but absolutely all going [TS]

01:11:35   from weight on one side of the car to [TS]

01:11:36   the other was it you know on paper i [TS]

01:11:39   would assume that I am dead wrong that [TS]

01:11:42   the m5 m6 should have behaved [TS]

01:11:44   approximately the same i don't know if [TS]

01:11:46   the wheelbase is a different length i [TS]

01:11:47   don't know if it's the weights very [TS]

01:11:49   different but regardless or maybe it's [TS]

01:11:52   the suspension of Sam McGee was [TS]

01:11:53   mentioning in the chat but one way or [TS]

01:11:54   another [TS]

01:11:55   something was off about the m6 or maybe [TS]

01:11:58   it's just that I didn't agree with the [TS]

01:11:59   m6 where's the m5 it felt very heavy [TS]

01:12:02   it felt like it resisted a direction [TS]

01:12:05   change but it would go with it it was [TS]

01:12:07   like all right fine if you really want [TS]

01:12:09   me to go left with a quickness I'll go [TS]

01:12:11   left with well okay fine I'll go right [TS]

01:12:13   with the quickness but she's which give [TS]

01:12:14   me a chance to breathe or cm6 if you [TS]

01:12:17   wanted to go left and then right with a [TS]

01:12:18   quickness you were probably going to be [TS]

01:12:20   going left then right and then back a [TS]

01:12:22   hundred eighty degree or 36 degrees [TS]

01:12:24   around because you're about to put [TS]

01:12:25   yourself in a spin but it may have just [TS]

01:12:27   been too much car for you you know and [TS]

01:12:28   know you might be right [TS]

01:12:30   the big sedan is like kind of slowing [TS]

01:12:31   things down to the point it's kind of [TS]

01:12:33   like you know jet fighter planes that [TS]

01:12:34   designed to be intentionally unstable [TS]

01:12:36   they can change direction quickly but if [TS]

01:12:38   you know if you if you go yanks you left [TS]

01:12:40   me after the right then you find [TS]

01:12:41   yourself having to correct again because [TS]

01:12:42   now you've gone too far [TS]

01:12:44   it you'd find another two or three weeks [TS]

01:12:46   and maybe you change your opinion on the [TS]

01:12:47   m6 you're probably right and i have bet [TS]

01:12:50   you anything that that's a very very [TS]

01:12:51   very good . but whatever the reason was [TS]

01:12:54   I felt like the m6 was was a little bit [TS]

01:12:56   sketchy [TS]

01:12:57   I think it's worth noting that the [TS]

01:12:59   instructors all agreed people who do [TS]

01:13:01   this all the time and have big racing [TS]

01:13:03   experience they all agreed that the m3 [TS]

01:13:05   was that was the most fun track car but [TS]

01:13:08   they also all agreed the m5 was was the [TS]

01:13:10   one that they would pick to do [TS]

01:13:11   you like a a major thing like it like a [TS]

01:13:13   major time lap and the instructors all [TS]

01:13:16   seem to prefer the m34 fun and the m54 [TS]

01:13:20   high-performance I don't think anybody [TS]

01:13:22   claim to prefer the m6 for anything [TS]

01:13:24   no not at all but that said I think we [TS]

01:13:26   should probably leave this topic that's [TS]

01:13:27   too specific and who cares [TS]

01:13:28   exactly so in the morning of day two we [TS]

01:13:32   talked about the man corner then we did [TS]

01:13:33   the handling course with the corkscrew [TS]

01:13:35   which we just talked about and I think [TS]

01:13:37   all of us enjoyed that although II each [TS]

01:13:40   of us had a different amount of motion [TS]

01:13:42   sickness that the summation of the [TS]

01:13:43   handling course the m6 i think i might [TS]

01:13:46   have done the best of all of us but I [TS]

01:13:48   certainly was feeling a little bit at [TS]

01:13:50   the end of it because the course was [TS]

01:13:51   very short and it was a lot of twisting [TS]

01:13:53   and turning and height changes in height [TS]

01:13:55   changes very much so [TS]

01:13:57   so then in the end the end of the [TS]

01:13:58   morning of day two we then took the m3's [TS]

01:14:00   back to the big ovular skid pad and did [TS]

01:14:04   figure eights and power drifts and I [TS]

01:14:08   don't have a whole lot to say about that [TS]

01:14:10   i don't know if you guys do but it was a [TS]

01:14:11   lot of fun [TS]

01:14:12   yeah i mean that's I don't actually have [TS]

01:14:14   a whole lot to say about day two at all [TS]

01:14:16   just because it was just like all right [TS]

01:14:18   here's most of you learn day one but [TS]

01:14:20   more of it and you have more time on the [TS]

01:14:22   track to to drive and like that and the [TS]

01:14:24   introverted like they know we're all [TS]

01:14:26   their driving the tractor they don't [TS]

01:14:27   spend a lot of time with like with [TS]

01:14:29   instruction you either either in [TS]

01:14:31   classroom or otherwise like it's really [TS]

01:14:33   just like we may want to get you on the [TS]

01:14:35   track and get you as much driving time [TS]

01:14:36   as possible and and I respect that right [TS]

01:14:39   now so yeah day two is really just a [TS]

01:14:40   whole lot of driving more on the track [TS]

01:14:42   and it was exhausting but it was really [TS]

01:14:45   fun [TS]

01:14:46   yeah and in the best part of day to me [TS]

01:14:48   was the vet for us the very beginning of [TS]

01:14:52   the afternoon and what they didn't as up [TS]

01:14:54   in eluding to all this entire show is [TS]

01:14:56   they took the entire track and they put [TS]

01:14:59   it all together made one massive track [TS]

01:15:01   over when I say the portal together what [TS]

01:15:02   I mean is they took out there there were [TS]

01:15:04   they would obstruct us with cones and [TS]

01:15:06   Intel us to you know make rights and [TS]

01:15:08   make left's to prevent us from going [TS]

01:15:09   down the entire big track and in the end [TS]

01:15:11   of the second day they took away all [TS]

01:15:14   those cones and basically said have fun [TS]

01:15:15   and it was still track there there were [TS]

01:15:17   still obstructions there but by and [TS]

01:15:19   large it was this it was humongous track [TS]

01:15:22   and they just said have fun and so for [TS]

01:15:24   our group [TS]

01:15:24   we started the day and it started the [TS]

01:15:27   afternoon rather in m3 and I'm not a [TS]

01:15:31   terribly good driver as I learned over [TS]

01:15:33   the over those two days and I really [TS]

01:15:35   learned at the end of day two but I tell [TS]

01:15:38   you what [TS]

01:15:39   at the beginning of the afternoon of day [TS]

01:15:41   to when we were in the m3's doing this [TS]

01:15:43   power lap I felt more dialed-in in that [TS]

01:15:47   m3 then I did the rest of the time in [TS]

01:15:51   any car now of course of course some of [TS]

01:15:53   that comes down to the m3 being the same [TS]

01:15:55   generation is my 335 and so of course I [TS]

01:15:58   feel most acclimated to that car because [TS]

01:16:01   its most similar to what i drive every [TS]

01:16:02   day [TS]

01:16:03   that being said there I had such an [TS]

01:16:07   unbelievably good time driving that m3 [TS]

01:16:09   with a quickness trying to drive the [TS]

01:16:12   doors off of it around this humongous [TS]

01:16:15   track in all my goodness it was so much [TS]

01:16:17   fun and i'll give mark on David chance [TS]

01:16:19   to throw in their two cents but after [TS]

01:16:20   the m3 we did the m6 on the same lab and [TS]

01:16:24   another group took the m3 is over and [TS]

01:16:26   then finally at the end of day two we [TS]

01:16:28   took the m5 into that same figure 8 [TS]

01:16:31   course and just did some drifts in some [TS]

01:16:33   time lapse and the the instructor showed [TS]

01:16:35   us something fun with that which we'll [TS]

01:16:36   get to in a minute but what did you guys [TS]

01:16:38   think about the power lap like Dave what [TS]

01:16:40   did you think about the m3 vs CM six on [TS]

01:16:42   those power laps [TS]

01:16:43   yeah i mean i think the m3 was a lot [TS]

01:16:44   more fun to drive and in a lot of ways [TS]

01:16:47   but i think the biggest thing I took [TS]

01:16:48   away from those big laps and this is a [TS]

01:16:51   surprise to me is that just how [TS]

01:16:54   exhausting driving that a car and that [TS]

01:16:59   in that manner is in a way that you know [TS]

01:17:01   each lap was probably only 10 minute [TS]

01:17:05   maybe a minute and a half ago it was a [TS]

01:17:06   huge amount of time at the atom d cheer [TS]

01:17:10   exhaustion that you get into the amount [TS]

01:17:11   of focus that it takes definitely gave [TS]

01:17:15   me a whole other kind of level of [TS]

01:17:16   respect for the people who do actual [TS]

01:17:18   racing weather especially those click [TS]

01:17:20   the crazy like the lawns races and [TS]

01:17:22   things were there racing for hours [TS]

01:17:23   because even just after doing it for 20 [TS]

01:17:26   minutes [TS]

01:17:28   like I'm I'm it was just exhausting [TS]

01:17:30   mentally and the whole to add some point [TS]

01:17:33   after sort of broke down from being able [TS]

01:17:35   to just sort of do it with normal [TS]

01:17:37   concentration to have to start like [TS]

01:17:38   narrating myself through it no matter if [TS]

01:17:40   you listen on sort of like the in-car [TS]

01:17:42   microphone you can just hear me like [TS]

01:17:44   telling myself what I'm supposed to be [TS]

01:17:46   doing trying to essentially be the [TS]

01:17:48   instructor for just myself to try and [TS]

01:17:51   keep myself and had to take a couple of [TS]

01:17:52   breaks even just to be able to do what [TS]

01:17:55   you're trying to do at that kind of [TS]

01:17:56   speed we know you don't have that you [TS]

01:17:59   don't have time to think about it and we [TS]

01:18:00   just kind of an intense thing that I was [TS]

01:18:02   bedridden really appreciate before just [TS]

01:18:04   how exhausting that is you know my [TS]

01:18:06   previous experience the driving [TS]

01:18:08   exhausting when you do you know a [TS]

01:18:10   six-hour road trip and you get to the [TS]

01:18:11   end of it you just mostly just bored and [TS]

01:18:13   it's like that boredom kind of loss of [TS]

01:18:15   focus rather than a loss of focus just [TS]

01:18:17   from exhaustion [TS]

01:18:19   yeah i mean each of these the m3 the m6 [TS]

01:18:22   power laps we were out for between 20-30 [TS]

01:18:25   minutes and at the end of it AF Waller [TS]

01:18:27   asked in the chat [TS]

01:18:29   did you guys sweat a lot and i'm not [TS]

01:18:30   sure if you meant that comically you're [TS]

01:18:31   seriously but i know i did it was tiring [TS]

01:18:34   and I crank the AC on those cars and [TS]

01:18:37   sometimes I had the windows open when [TS]

01:18:38   appropriate but that being said even [TS]

01:18:41   with the ac's in the low 60s it was it [TS]

01:18:44   was still hot because you were there was [TS]

01:18:46   a lot of effort it was hard and I don't [TS]

01:18:48   know Mario John Okeefe broken a sweat [TS]

01:18:51   playing Mary oak art but nice i can tell [TS]

01:18:54   you I broke a sweat broke a sweat [TS]

01:18:56   driving these hot laps I mean it was it [TS]

01:18:58   was tiring if you do these time-lapse [TS]

01:19:00   tho you gotta turn the AC off the extra [TS]

01:19:02   hundredth of a second you know if I [TS]

01:19:04   thought the same thing . hand on heart I [TS]

01:19:07   really honestly did but it it wasn't a [TS]

01:19:10   big enough deal [TS]

01:19:12   nor was it a big enough difference none [TS]

01:19:13   of us are good enough and none of us [TS]

01:19:15   were good enough to make a difference [TS]

01:19:16   and on these power lapse they didn't [TS]

01:19:18   time I speak and I think because they [TS]

01:19:20   wanted us to have fun and just the [TS]

01:19:23   specter of somebody behind you and your [TS]

01:19:25   in your rear-view mirror was enough to [TS]

01:19:27   get you to kind of overextend your [TS]

01:19:29   abilities and I don't think timing [TS]

01:19:31   people really would help that situation [TS]

01:19:33   at all when they also in order to keep [TS]

01:19:36   spacing like sort of sort of fast people [TS]

01:19:38   keep going fast and not be behind [TS]

01:19:40   somebody slow for a while [TS]

01:19:41   they would call people selectively into [TS]

01:19:43   the pit to just maintain spacing so a [TS]

01:19:46   lot of laps were not complete laps [TS]

01:19:48   because the pit was like a bypass 4 [TS]

01:19:51   first first sort of short portion of the [TS]

01:19:52   track so that you could like reorganize [TS]

01:19:54   two cars again if if somebody was on [TS]

01:19:56   someone else's but they would call the [TS]

01:19:59   front one into the pit so the rear one [TS]

01:20:01   could pass it and and and so on [TS]

01:20:05   I just a house in the pits a lot haha [TS]

01:20:08   yeah I think market is spent some time [TS]

01:20:11   in the pits but I I don't think either i [TS]

01:20:13   spent a tremendous amount of time there [TS]

01:20:15   so we're we're running along and I want [TS]

01:20:17   to wrap up somewhat quickly but I i [TS]

01:20:19   should note that at the end of the [TS]

01:20:21   second day there were two different [TS]

01:20:22   things that happen so i made i mentioned [TS]

01:20:24   earlier that we took the m5 under the [TS]

01:20:26   figure-eight and get some drifts and [TS]

01:20:27   some time lapse and that was fun and I [TS]

01:20:29   think Marco beat me somewhat handily on [TS]

01:20:31   that if i'm not mistaken is that right [TS]

01:20:33   Marco I don't think so I we were very [TS]

01:20:36   close the in everything that was timed [TS]

01:20:38   officially you and I were very [TS]

01:20:41   effectively equal x okay well regardless [TS]

01:20:43   so then Johan who was the instructor [TS]

01:20:46   that we had for that particular portion [TS]

01:20:48   of the day said hey listen I'm gonna [TS]

01:20:51   take one of the m56 just so happens to [TS]

01:20:53   be the one Dave drove out there and I'm [TS]

01:20:56   going to drift the entire figure 8 [TS]

01:20:59   I can take three people with me of the [TS]

01:21:01   five of you who would like to go and so [TS]

01:21:04   I volunteered because I i'm lucky enough [TS]

01:21:06   not to get terribly motion sick market [TS]

01:21:08   when Dave thought better of it and then [TS]

01:21:10   our other two people decided to go with [TS]

01:21:14   me and so Johan who is set a world [TS]

01:21:18   record for the longest drift is that [TS]

01:21:19   correct yes and it was even on thats [TS]

01:21:21   good bad was it on that skip it i didn't [TS]

01:21:24   catch that or what is on one of the two [TS]

01:21:26   okay well he said a world record for the [TS]

01:21:27   longest drift in and m5 is that right [TS]

01:21:29   yep it was an m6 and five they do [TS]

01:21:31   everything in the m5 because it's better [TS]

01:21:33   than the m6 ma'am [TS]

01:21:34   there you go so anyway so he did this [TS]

01:21:37   instructor has set a world record for [TS]

01:21:39   like a literally 50-mile drift around [TS]

01:21:40   one of the two skid pads and he takes [TS]

01:21:43   the m5 and does adrift in a figure eight [TS]

01:21:46   and being in a car with an instructor [TS]

01:21:50   watching them do their thing even when [TS]

01:21:53   their thing and [TS]

01:21:54   senior quotes here is driving like an [TS]

01:21:56   idiot [TS]

01:21:57   it is on believable and so we did these [TS]

01:22:02   figure eights and then all of a sudden [TS]

01:22:04   he decides he says he ok ok we're done [TS]

01:22:06   and he starts careening directly towards [TS]

01:22:11   Marco and Dave and so I don't know what [TS]

01:22:13   did do one of you want to jump in and [TS]

01:22:15   tell the tell the story from your [TS]

01:22:16   perspective of the structure and then I [TS]

01:22:19   was record i was think of it neither the [TS]

01:22:21   moment you're talking about is I was [TS]

01:22:22   videoing this so I'm just sitting there [TS]

01:22:24   looking at my iphone screen as I'm you [TS]

01:22:27   know just doing doing a nice if you get [TS]

01:22:28   some really nice slow-mo video of this [TS]

01:22:30   is all very nice and then you just liked [TS]

01:22:32   the car just like you start you survive [TS]

01:22:34   that moment of like he's not stopping or [TS]

01:22:37   turning he's not stopping or turning and [TS]

01:22:39   then you just went through your watch [TS]

01:22:40   the video that could just all of a [TS]

01:22:41   sudden you just seems like since she's [TS]

01:22:42   like the camera down i'm just now [TS]

01:22:44   running backwards as he comes from warns [TS]

01:22:47   us and then spins the car around a [TS]

01:22:50   hundred eighty degrees and essentially [TS]

01:22:51   parks it up right where we were meeting [TS]

01:22:54   right now right in front of where he [TS]

01:22:55   would have been standing if we hadn't [TS]

01:22:57   run away screaming right i don't know if [TS]

01:22:59   there's a way to do it agreed to paint [TS]

01:23:01   the correct word picture on this one but [TS]

01:23:03   it suffice to say he parked the the m5 [TS]

01:23:07   by doing a drift into exactly where he [TS]

01:23:09   decided it did needed to stop and it was [TS]

01:23:12   unbelief it was like the adventure [TS]

01:23:13   parking job [TS]

01:23:25   I'm sure he appreciates that particular [TS]

01:23:27   comparison of all the movie scenes where [TS]

01:23:30   someone skimmed the car into a parking [TS]

01:23:32   lot ace pitcher [TS]

01:23:33   yes exactly well that was an awesome [TS]

01:23:34   parking job come on it was pretty legit [TS]

01:23:37   so that was the end of the formal part [TS]

01:23:40   of the two day in school and at this [TS]

01:23:42   point they basically said hey it's been [TS]

01:23:44   a blast [TS]

01:23:45   you know here's a bunch of swag that [TS]

01:23:46   we're giving you for free but in reality [TS]

01:23:48   we all paid for and you can go about [TS]

01:23:51   your business but if you'd like to [TS]

01:23:54   wee-wee the instructors will take two [TS]

01:23:58   people at a time in the m3's and we'll [TS]

01:24:01   do a hot lap instructor style [TS]

01:24:04   oh my goodness I thought once upon a [TS]

01:24:08   time I was a decent driver i took this [TS]

01:24:11   two-day am school and I realized i'm at [TS]

01:24:13   best a mediocre driver then I went for a [TS]

01:24:18   ride with the instructors so Marco I'd [TS]

01:24:21   like to hear your recap of how this went [TS]

01:24:24   and then I'd like to hear Dave's even as [TS]

01:24:26   if even that even as a spectator I'd [TS]

01:24:28   like to hear what Dave thought well on [TS]

01:24:30   the way it into the cars these records [TS]

01:24:33   were talking to each other and and lead [TS]

01:24:35   instructor had told the others i don't [TS]

01:24:37   know i mean maybe say maybe says every [TS]

01:24:39   time like to be funny but he had told [TS]

01:24:41   the other instructors hey let's let's [TS]

01:24:43   take it easy and and take a pretty clean [TS]

01:24:45   around the man turn the you know the [TS]

01:24:46   biggest on the track [TS]

01:24:47   ok and so my I was in I was in the the [TS]

01:24:54   the back car in in the line and my [TS]

01:24:58   instructor Laura was was fairly upset [TS]

01:25:00   that the car in front of her was not [TS]

01:25:02   going as fast as she wanted the whole [TS]

01:25:04   time so first of all an instructor lap [TS]

01:25:07   is insane because like you know you [TS]

01:25:10   think when you're driving it in the [TS]

01:25:12   exact same car driving the exact same [TS]

01:25:14   course you know 30 minutes earlier you [TS]

01:25:16   think that you are pushing the car like [TS]

01:25:19   to its limits of traction that if you [TS]

01:25:21   want any faster you'd skipped out and [TS]

01:25:24   that's sort of true actually [TS]

01:25:25   well then you get in the car the way [TS]

01:25:28   they drive it and then you realize oh [TS]

01:25:30   wow I had a lot of headroom and oh my [TS]

01:25:33   God we're going fast and Mail and the [TS]

01:25:36   funny thing is in this is so I went [TS]

01:25:38   twice I went once with the head [TS]

01:25:40   instructor Donnie and he is a robot and [TS]

01:25:43   I mean that in the best possible way [TS]

01:25:45   very very methodical very deliberate and [TS]

01:25:49   he didn't really get loose much and when [TS]

01:25:51   he did you could tell he was just [TS]

01:25:53   screwing around doing it for fun not [TS]

01:25:54   because it was an error in judgment then [TS]

01:25:57   for the second lap and I'm gonna turn it [TS]

01:25:59   back to mark on a second for the second [TS]

01:26:01   lap I was with Derek who was by [TS]

01:26:03   coincidence directly ahead of laura and [TS]

01:26:06   marcos car and so derek was the polar [TS]

01:26:10   opposite of tani in that he was loose [TS]

01:26:12   the entire time [TS]

01:26:13   it's not that he wasn't quick but he was [TS]

01:26:16   a very senior pants talking the whole [TS]

01:26:19   time laughing and joking kind of driver [TS]

01:26:22   where is Donnie was very by-the-book [TS]

01:26:25   this is how I'm doing it you will hold [TS]

01:26:27   on and you will enjoy that Donnie wasn't [TS]

01:26:29   a great guy he was extremely awesome but [TS]

01:26:32   if the difference between these two [TS]

01:26:33   styles was incredible and so Marco is [TS]

01:26:36   behind us [TS]

01:26:37   unbeknownst to me while laura is cursing [TS]

01:26:40   the fact that Derek isn't going quick [TS]

01:26:42   enough so laura is driving this m3 [TS]

01:26:44   around with me and at me and other guy [TS]

01:26:46   in the backseat [TS]

01:26:47   I'm the front of the guys in the back [TS]

01:26:48   and the funny thing with you know she [TS]

01:26:52   was driving his car so so hard and it [TS]

01:26:56   just seemed effortless like we were all [TS]

01:26:57   I talking in the car as if we were on a [TS]

01:26:59   roadtrip together just talking normally [TS]

01:27:01   and we even have we have a video cuz i [TS]

01:27:04   plug my USB can do is why i recorded her [TS]

01:27:06   lap with us on the card [TS]

01:27:08   it's hilarious like how just she [TS]

01:27:09   obviously does this every day and is not [TS]

01:27:12   fazed at all by it and we were like oh [TS]

01:27:14   my god like trying to keep ourselves in [TS]

01:27:16   the seats from from the ridiculous force [TS]

01:27:19   of turning so quickly and so after after [TS]

01:27:23   you know a very very fast lap of her not [TS]

01:27:28   being able to drive as fast as she [TS]

01:27:30   wanted because the guy in front of her [TS]

01:27:31   was was a not going fast enough [TS]

01:27:34   she decides to ignore the directions [TS]

01:27:35   about taking the big turn cleanly and [TS]

01:27:38   just does this massive power slide for [TS]

01:27:41   this massive turn if I mean it what it [TS]

01:27:43   must have been like a 20 second slide [TS]

01:27:45   just this giant perfectly smooth slider [TS]

01:27:50   this whole thing [TS]

01:27:51   and then massive slide the next thing [TS]

01:27:53   and then sliding back right precisely [TS]

01:27:56   between two cones to get back into the [TS]

01:27:58   pit lane and it was of course massive [TS]

01:28:02   cloud of smoke it was comical we had a [TS]

01:28:05   fantastic time and then the next lap [TS]

01:28:10   goes out and I was just watching the [TS]

01:28:12   next lab and of course the next lab all [TS]

01:28:15   of the instructors did he [TS]

01:28:16   that same power slide because they they [TS]

01:28:18   were not going to be outdone by the one [TS]

01:28:21   who wanted to have some fun so then [TS]

01:28:22   there's another massive cloud of smoke [TS]

01:28:24   that with Dave and I both on video and [TS]

01:28:26   it was a fantastic time because you [TS]

01:28:28   really realize with with them driving [TS]

01:28:29   quite how much Headroom you have and [TS]

01:28:33   quite how much of a skill this is and [TS]

01:28:35   how far you are from after just two days [TS]

01:28:37   yep so Dave what did you think in in in [TS]

01:28:40   summary both about the power lap and in [TS]

01:28:42   the whole experience i'm sorry i didn't [TS]

01:28:44   actually go out I want to any of the hot [TS]

01:28:47   laps at this point the sort of general [TS]

01:28:50   sense of motion sickness from all the [TS]

01:28:52   driving that I've been doing for myself [TS]

01:28:53   I thought was sufficient before I then [TS]

01:28:55   got in the car and drove for [TS]

01:28:56   five-and-a-half hours and so I thought [TS]

01:28:58   better of it better of keeping marcos [TS]

01:29:01   car to to steal it like to steal a [TS]

01:29:04   neutral previous title you know vomit [TS]

01:29:07   ruins everything [TS]

01:29:08   so I just decided to keep it as I think [TS]

01:29:11   to to keep it clean and I just watching [TS]

01:29:13   the outside and the crazy thing to do to [TS]

01:29:16   realize watching from the outside and [TS]

01:29:18   watched just the students be doing doing [TS]

01:29:20   their lap so you know for most for a [TS]

01:29:22   couple of days and you [TS]

01:29:24   it's the strangers you from looking on [TS]

01:29:26   the outside the cars look like they're [TS]

01:29:27   going quickly but they're not they look [TS]

01:29:30   it looks like looks a lot slower from [TS]

01:29:31   the outside than it does from the inside [TS]

01:29:33   whereas I think the sort of from these [TS]

01:29:35   cars it's like you could tell they were [TS]

01:29:37   seriously going quickly i'm in a way [TS]

01:29:40   that is you your head is turning rapidly [TS]

01:29:43   as they fly past you should definitely [TS]

01:29:45   tell it was a whole lot a whole other [TS]

01:29:47   level which is makes sense for why they [TS]

01:29:49   do it do it professionally vs us just [TS]

01:29:51   obvious going and doing it right now [TS]

01:29:54   John if you were to have gone with us [TS]

01:29:57   and I know that you need to be at home [TS]

01:29:59   for the Mavericks review I know you hate [TS]

01:30:00   travel even if Marco works [TS]

01:30:02   transport you the whole way but [TS]

01:30:04   hypothetically if you you know turned on [TS]

01:30:06   your emotion ship and decided to have a [TS]

01:30:08   little bit of fun do you find yourself [TS]

01:30:10   getting motion sick when you are the [TS]

01:30:12   driver of an automobile or like in other [TS]

01:30:14   words what do you think you would've [TS]

01:30:15   been screwed after this entire event or [TS]

01:30:17   do you think you would have survived if [TS]

01:30:19   any of you felt any motion sickness i [TS]

01:30:20   would have been tremendously motion sick [TS]

01:30:22   child is very long and very rarely when [TS]

01:30:25   I'm driving myself do I but occasionally [TS]

01:30:26   I do like you know a stop-and-go traffic [TS]

01:30:28   for hours [TS]

01:30:29   you know and a stick shift on hilly road [TS]

01:30:31   or even just you know like at its I have [TS]

01:30:35   very low limit so I guarantee that i [TS]

01:30:36   would not have gone on it not been up to [TS]

01:30:39   going as high lapping at the course you [TS]

01:30:40   describe going up and down the elevation [TS]

01:30:42   changes with lots of turns [TS]

01:30:44   I wouldn't have liked to do that either [TS]

01:30:45   by yeah i would probably miss half of [TS]

01:30:47   this [TS]

01:30:47   that's the other thing if I'd paid for [TS]

01:30:48   this thing I probably missed half of it [TS]

01:30:50   as I SAT there motionless trying to keep [TS]

01:30:53   my lunch down [TS]

01:30:54   yeah and the other thing I should note [TS]

01:30:56   that since you bring up manual [TS]

01:30:57   transmissions Marco and I made a made a [TS]

01:30:59   bet before the event and he had said [TS]

01:31:02   well I'm sure that there will be at [TS]

01:31:04   least one car with a manual transmission [TS]

01:31:05   because last year there was exactly 1 mm [TS]

01:31:08   and I said no way there's no way they [TS]

01:31:11   would do that and I was a little [TS]

01:31:13   disappointed by that when I made that [TS]

01:31:15   because i knew i was going to be right [TS]

01:31:17   and I was but I was disappointed because [TS]

01:31:19   I thought man i'm really i'm going to [TS]

01:31:21   want to have a stick or proper stick [TS]

01:31:23   shift there and and and I'm really going [TS]

01:31:25   to miss not having one [TS]

01:31:27   and as it turned out the m3 m5 m6 all [TS]

01:31:30   have the dctr boxes and now having been [TS]

01:31:33   through that I would still personally [TS]

01:31:36   choose a six-speed a standard [TS]

01:31:38   transmission for the street any day and [TS]

01:31:41   i have not been on a racetrack in a [TS]

01:31:43   six-speed yet but i can tell you that [TS]

01:31:46   for learning how to drive like a racecar [TS]

01:31:50   driver [TS]

01:31:51   I am so glad that I didn't have to worry [TS]

01:31:54   about a clutch or switching gears other [TS]

01:31:57   than tapping on a flappy-paddle and I [TS]

01:31:59   don't know Marco especially since you [TS]

01:32:01   have more experience on with manual then [TS]

01:32:03   then Dave does I don't know how you felt [TS]

01:32:05   but I'm actually very glad that they [TS]

01:32:07   didn't have a six-speed as it turns out [TS]

01:32:09   well I do have one event i did with a [TS]

01:32:12   six-speed which was last at last year's [TS]

01:32:14   limerock thing [TS]

01:32:15   they had the one ends and they had a [TS]

01:32:17   little autocross course to do with them [TS]

01:32:19   so i did that but it didn't really count [TS]

01:32:22   because i was just in second gear almost [TS]

01:32:24   the entire time i would occasionally go [TS]

01:32:26   up to third on a really very fast part [TS]

01:32:28   very very rarely and that's kind of how [TS]

01:32:31   it was on this track tool icon on the [TS]

01:32:33   big track we were mostly in second and [TS]

01:32:35   third going into 4th like on The Biggest [TS]

01:32:37   straightaways but not even for very long [TS]

01:32:40   because we weren't really good enough to [TS]

01:32:42   be that going that fast anyway so I [TS]

01:32:45   don't think it matters on a racetrack as [TS]

01:32:46   much as you think you know if you if you [TS]

01:32:48   drive a stick every day then it's it's [TS]

01:32:51   it's automatic for you and your head [TS]

01:32:53   like you're not gonna have to think [TS]

01:32:54   about that you're changing gears going [TS]

01:32:55   to do them and so it's not it i don't [TS]

01:32:58   think it makes a difference either way [TS]

01:32:59   it is what I'm saying for it you know [TS]

01:33:02   these for amateurs like us I think that [TS]

01:33:05   going back a second to the motion sick [TS]

01:33:07   thing I don't usually get motion [TS]

01:33:09   sickness for any like common situations [TS]

01:33:12   but i did get motion sick at last year's [TS]

01:33:16   track event and I did get a little bit [TS]

01:33:18   motion sick at this one last year's from [TS]

01:33:20   sitting in the backseat of the skidpad [TS]

01:33:22   when somebody else was getting out [TS]

01:33:24   constantly [TS]

01:33:25   i would not recommend sitting in the [TS]

01:33:26   backseat on any skin better exercise for [TS]

01:33:28   anybody and huh [TS]

01:33:29   and this time i got a little bit sick [TS]

01:33:31   feeling when we're doing the big [TS]

01:33:32   elevation change course and and both [TS]

01:33:35   times it didn't ruin my day and I would [TS]

01:33:37   I felt better like you know the half [TS]

01:33:39   hour to an hour later but I'd know [TS]

01:33:43   enough about myself now having done this [TS]

01:33:45   now twice to know that even though I I [TS]

01:33:49   love driving my fast car and even though [TS]

01:33:52   i love this kind of thing in theory i [TS]

01:33:55   don't think i would ever like this hobby [TS]

01:33:57   enough to actually go and like get time [TS]

01:34:00   on a track myself outside of these [TS]

01:34:02   highly instructed highly structured [TS]

01:34:06   events like I don't think I can handle [TS]

01:34:08   the motion [TS]

01:34:09   I wouldn't want to be driving on the [TS]

01:34:11   track for you know five hours straight [TS]

01:34:13   with with no breaks or whatever [TS]

01:34:16   certainly the expense of getting your [TS]

01:34:19   own time on on most tracks is insane and [TS]

01:34:22   and the ones near me are certainly no [TS]

01:34:25   exception and [TS]

01:34:27   so I think I'm actually perfectly fine [TS]

01:34:29   doing this kind of thing every couple [TS]

01:34:32   years with friends as we see fit but i [TS]

01:34:35   don't think i would want to do a track [TS]

01:34:37   hobby more often than that i don't think [TS]

01:34:39   i can really handle it and I I think I'm [TS]

01:34:42   actually okay with that [TS]

01:34:43   like I'm okay minute to myself and then [TS]

01:34:46   I guess to the public that [TS]

01:34:49   yeah that's actually fine now Dave what [TS]

01:34:51   do you think I'm very glad that I did [TS]

01:34:54   this in terms of obviously coming from [TS]

01:34:56   the opposite end of the spectrum it was [TS]

01:34:58   it's it's something that's it it's and [TS]

01:35:00   honestly it's it's one of those [TS]

01:35:01   interesting things where you have it [TS]

01:35:04   it's an experience that yes in some [TS]

01:35:07   people call it is like a [TS]

01:35:07   once-in-a-lifetime experience and [TS]

01:35:09   probably won't be once-in-a-lifetime [TS]

01:35:09   that's the kind of thing I met me [TS]

01:35:11   they'll do at some point later but it's [TS]

01:35:14   have it's very different than what very [TS]

01:35:16   different than the norm and is a very [TS]

01:35:18   it's interesting to AC a different sort [TS]

01:35:22   of almost part of yourself in that that [TS]

01:35:23   you know driving for me typically is [TS]

01:35:26   about safety and economy in met you my [TS]

01:35:30   entire life like that's what that's [TS]

01:35:31   essentially what i'm trying to do is I'm [TS]

01:35:32   going to get from here to there you know [TS]

01:35:34   safely and effectively was interesting [TS]

01:35:37   to try that city to business you going [TS]

01:35:40   through the same motions you know my [TS]

01:35:41   hands are strong wheel my feet on the [TS]

01:35:42   pedals about doing it for two completely [TS]

01:35:44   different goal and seeing how different [TS]

01:35:46   that feels and seeing how you react to [TS]

01:35:49   that by putting yourself into that [TS]

01:35:51   situation and you know it's it's [TS]

01:35:53   definitely not for me in terms of you as [TS]

01:35:54   a hobby or something out doing a [TS]

01:35:56   long-term long-term both from a little [TS]

01:35:58   bit of motion sickness and those types [TS]

01:35:59   of things but also just it's a no it's [TS]

01:36:02   it's a skill that I don't think I'd [TS]

01:36:04   naturally have nor do I think enjoyed to [TS]

01:36:09   a sufficient degree that I would be able [TS]

01:36:11   to put in the Indian of the hours and [TS]

01:36:13   hours of time and money and do the just [TS]

01:36:16   piles of money that it would take to get [TS]

01:36:18   good at but it's very fun to go out and [TS]

01:36:21   try it and to see what that's like so [TS]

01:36:23   that now I kind of have a sense that if [TS]

01:36:24   I sit down and watch top gear episode i [TS]

01:36:26   watch a an f1 race on TV or something [TS]

01:36:28   like that [TS]

01:36:29   I kind of know what's going on at least [TS]

01:36:32   a vague level that I just didn't really [TS]

01:36:34   appreciate before then I see someone [TS]

01:36:36   doing something while I don't think I [TS]

01:36:38   could do it myself i know just how [TS]

01:36:40   difficult it is I'm and that's you know [TS]

01:36:43   that's kind of fun and it's kind of [TS]

01:36:44   dated so it's it's a rare and rare these [TS]

01:36:46   days to be able to know something about [TS]

01:36:48   yourself that you didn't before and it's [TS]

01:36:50   kind of fun to go off and explore that [TS]

01:36:53   yeah now John which one of the three of [TS]

01:36:57   us do you reckon was the first to drive [TS]

01:36:59   marcos and five subsequent to the two [TS]

01:37:02   day in school [TS]

01:37:04   ah which one of the three of you mhm [TS]

01:37:08   that depends on how tired marker was [TS]

01:37:10   anyone to be chauffeured back to its [TS]

01:37:12   going i was thinking i would assume Argo [TS]

01:37:14   is somebody might want to sit out by one [TS]

01:37:16   investor now actually as it turned out [TS]

01:37:18   so i talked about this quickly in the [TS]

01:37:21   past I where weirdo hard contact lenses [TS]

01:37:24   which are very rough to have on for many [TS]

01:37:26   many many many hours at once and so I [TS]

01:37:28   said to Marco and Dave hey listen you [TS]

01:37:30   know my eyes are going to get really [TS]

01:37:31   cranky not too long from now because we [TS]

01:37:33   were leaving the school at five or six [TS]

01:37:35   o'clock in the evening and so I [TS]

01:37:37   volunteered to take the first leg and [TS]

01:37:39   this is pretty much entirely [TS]

01:37:40   unremarkable except that when we got on [TS]

01:37:42   interstate 85 i found a hole right after [TS]

01:37:45   we got on the interstate and so I got [TS]

01:37:47   left very casually and very safely as [TS]

01:37:50   opposed to my normal approaches a BMW [TS]

01:37:52   driver and I wanted to collapse the [TS]

01:37:55   space in front of me and so I wouldn't [TS]

01:37:57   say I stood on the gas but I definitely [TS]

01:37:58   got on the gas and Marco has his speed [TS]

01:38:02   morning settings set the same way I do [TS]

01:38:05   which is 85 miles an hour and and BMWs [TS]

01:38:07   tend to overcompensate and so 85 miles [TS]

01:38:10   an hour indicated is really about 80 [TS]

01:38:12   miles an hour and so I collapse the [TS]

01:38:15   space in front of me Nova has all of a [TS]

01:38:16   sudden you're putting and I realize oh [TS]

01:38:18   god I've driven for two straight days [TS]

01:38:21   without a speed limit anywhere in sight [TS]

01:38:22   and i just did about 9,400 trying to [TS]

01:38:26   collapsing onto under the car in front [TS]

01:38:29   of me which I can't do anymore and I [TS]

01:38:32   think for all three of us it was a [TS]

01:38:34   little bit of an adjustment going back [TS]

01:38:36   to driving like a civilized human being [TS]

01:38:38   David how hard was it for you and your [TS]

01:38:40   corolla to to drive normally it it was [TS]

01:38:44   fine [TS]

01:38:45   I i was able to handle it i will say i [TS]

01:38:47   had since driving since I do think my [TS]

01:38:49   driving style has changed slightly that [TS]

01:38:51   I think and the way that i'm driving is [TS]

01:38:53   just [TS]

01:38:54   like to do a bit more conscious and [TS]

01:38:55   precise which is kind of fun to to see [TS]

01:38:58   even just applied to my tiny blue [TS]

01:38:59   corolla that I dry and i barely drive [TS]

01:39:02   but you know it was different was [TS]

01:39:04   strange having spent five five or six [TS]

01:39:07   days straight driving & M cars [TS]

01:39:09   consistently and then immediately after [TS]

01:39:11   I got home I had to make a quick run to [TS]

01:39:13   the UPS store to return some of the [TS]

01:39:15   cameras i rented for the trip and it's [TS]

01:39:17   like getting a micro and turning it on [TS]

01:39:18   and they're being comparatively no noise [TS]

01:39:21   when you turn the engine on you know [TS]

01:39:22   just turned on rather than there being [TS]

01:39:23   this like was comparatively no engine [TS]

01:39:26   yeah you have exactly just that there's [TS]

01:39:28   nothing there's no low bassy kind of [TS]

01:39:30   booming sound that comes out of it's [TS]

01:39:32   like all right I'm home again i would [TS]

01:39:36   say also and and this I don't know how [TS]

01:39:38   well this is going to go over with this [TS]

01:39:39   audience well who-who weekend who's [TS]

01:39:41   listening [TS]

01:39:41   I think you know every time I i drive [TS]

01:39:46   every time you do something like this [TS]

01:39:47   which is not very often but where I [TS]

01:39:49   where I see like what the M cars can do [TS]

01:39:51   it becomes more clear to me that i [TS]

01:39:53   really don't need to be driving one that [TS]

01:39:56   in my in my day-to-day life like my car [TS]

01:40:00   is a complete waste of all that power in [TS]

01:40:02   my day-to-day life because you know [TS]

01:40:04   ideally if you get an M car if it spends [TS]

01:40:08   any time in 6th or 7th gear you're [TS]

01:40:09   probably doing it wrong [TS]

01:40:11   in retrospect I think if they put a [TS]

01:40:13   decent transmission in the 550i xdrive i [TS]

01:40:17   would probably be perfectly happy in [TS]

01:40:19   that car [TS]

01:40:20   however they don't put a decent [TS]

01:40:21   transmission in it so I its height [TS]

01:40:23   I wouldn't be you know speaking of [TS]

01:40:25   emotion sickness and the powerful cars [TS]

01:40:27   being wasted every when I was very young [TS]

01:40:29   I wanted to be a fighter pilot and then [TS]

01:40:32   in fifth grade we went on a whale watch [TS]

01:40:34   off of Montauk Point and I stopped [TS]

01:40:36   wanting to be a fighter pilot because i [TS]

01:40:38   found out i get terribly motion sick and [TS]

01:40:40   that's kind of you know out of the [TS]

01:40:41   question if your fighter pilot and so [TS]

01:40:43   that also ruled out high-performance [TS]

01:40:44   cars and even though i'd read car [TS]

01:40:46   magazines you know my whole life I [TS]

01:40:48   always knew that you know I could never [TS]

01:40:49   actually drive one of these cars like [TS]

01:40:51   sent to be driven [TS]

01:40:52   however I maintain that I still want my [TS]

01:40:54   Ferrari I was going to ask even though i [TS]

01:40:56   will never be able to drive the way it's [TS]

01:40:58   meant to be driven I wanted to drive it [TS]

01:41:00   you know stupidly briefly so they don't [TS]

01:41:04   get second because it's a work of art so [TS]

01:41:06   I I don't [TS]

01:41:07   and Marco can make his decision but if I [TS]

01:41:09   I would still if I had the means end up [TS]

01:41:12   getting a car that is totally wasted i [TS]

01:41:14   made the same way i'm about to get a [TS]

01:41:15   computer the mac pro that's pretty much [TS]

01:41:17   gonna be totally wasted I mean you know [TS]

01:41:19   ridiculous dual workstation class you [TS]

01:41:21   used to play video games kind of in a [TS]

01:41:24   mediocre manner I I think that's [TS]

01:41:27   perfectly fine if that's what you want [TS]

01:41:28   to spend your money on go for but I've [TS]

01:41:30   always known that even though what I [TS]

01:41:32   would end up with even though I kind of [TS]

01:41:33   like the philosophy of BMW is I would [TS]

01:41:36   end up with my Ferrari and neck [TS]

01:41:37   mercedes s-class and mostly i would [TS]

01:41:39   recommend mostly I would drive the [TS]

01:41:41   mercedes and then you know on weekends [TS]

01:41:43   or vacations or whatever drug take the [TS]

01:41:45   Ferrari out for brief stints and yes it [TS]

01:41:47   would be totally wasted but actually i [TS]

01:41:50   would be preserving its resale value was [TS]

01:41:51   thinking that way and on that bombshell [TS]

01:41:55   I think we're done [TS]

01:41:57   oh goodness anything else gentlemen I [TS]

01:42:00   think that's it I mean Dave any closing [TS]

01:42:02   comments on I guess you already gave [TS]

01:42:04   them but any closing comments on the [TS]

01:42:06   experience as a whole and and how this [TS]

01:42:08   has changed you as a person i think [TS]

01:42:11   mostly just thanks to you guys for [TS]

01:42:12   coming along on this ride with me i know [TS]

01:42:14   it didn't take much convincing but I'm [TS]

01:42:16   definitely was a lot more fun than I [TS]

01:42:18   think if I'd ever done something like [TS]

01:42:19   this myself so indifferent get it to [TS]

01:42:21   work out to do with to do with other [TS]

01:42:23   people but definitely recommend it to [TS]

01:42:25   somebody else and just a lot of fun to [TS]

01:42:28   to try something that's that's so [TS]

01:42:31   different to see how you react to it and [TS]

01:42:33   then to know well you know it's like [TS]

01:42:35   like that this is a whole box you can [TS]

01:42:37   check and see like you have different [TS]

01:42:38   car driven you know fast cars quickly [TS]

01:42:39   rather than just slow car slowly [TS]

01:42:42   alright well thank you for turning 30 [TS]

01:42:43   and what did you say you're placing the [TS]

01:42:45   order for your 328 I'm still on the [TS]

01:42:49   fence about that my corolla is doing [TS]

01:42:51   just fine [TS]

01:42:52   we should we should say before we close [TS]

01:42:53   the show that casey and i were plotting [TS]

01:42:56   via i am like I'm two months ago about [TS]

01:42:59   what kind of car we're going to convince [TS]

01:43:02   Dave to buy because we knew that we [TS]

01:43:06   probably couldn't get into a 335 that [TS]

01:43:08   would be too much of a jumpy probably [TS]

01:43:09   can go for that we also know that we [TS]

01:43:11   don't want him buying the 320 because [TS]

01:43:14   that's just stupid [TS]

01:43:16   my position was quickly my position on [TS]

01:43:19   320 is that it is a little bit cheaper [TS]

01:43:22   but it's still not a cheap car it is not [TS]

01:43:24   any lighter weight or meaningfully more [TS]

01:43:27   fuel-efficient than 328 so why why [TS]

01:43:30   bother getting 320 except to save some [TS]

01:43:32   money on a not cheap car why not spend [TS]

01:43:35   the extra little bit of money to get 328 [TS]

01:43:37   which is a way nicer car than 320 so we [TS]

01:43:42   were we when plotting to convince Dave [TS]

01:43:44   to buy 328 as as his corolla replacement [TS]

01:43:47   even though the crows need to be [TS]

01:43:49   replaced [TS]

01:43:50   technically idealistically it does and [TS]

01:43:53   or you know philosophically it needs to [TS]

01:43:56   be replaced so everyone on the internet [TS]

01:43:59   please convince underscore David Smith [TS]

01:44:00   to buy a 328i you can come with me David [TS]

01:44:03   test drive a stick shift to court you [TS]

01:44:05   like it sounds perfect i think I get [TS]

01:44:07   three or four of those for the cost of [TS]

01:44:09   it that's right here you can have you [TS]

01:44:10   can have one for each day of the week [TS]

01:44:11   instead of the 328 you could have your [TS]

01:44:14   day according your night record it on [TS]

01:44:16   all right are we done now [TS]

01:44:19   yeah I think that's it thanks a lot [TS]

01:44:21   listeners for tolerating all this [TS]

01:44:23   yeah and no guarantees about any other [TS]

01:44:25   neutrals but thanks for listening to [TS]

01:44:27   this little one off special so thanks [TS]

01:44:29   everybody [TS]

01:44:34   finally Berkeley's newsy yes don't know [TS]

01:44:37   that I don't think I knew that how about [TS]

01:44:39   that must make for an interesting [TS]

01:44:40   celebration every year [TS]

01:44:42   hey see if you can figure out what my [TS]

01:44:44   celebration is like every year you going [TS]

01:44:46   to bed early sprite is frightening would [TS]

01:44:48   go to bed early and now it's the best [TS]

01:44:51   everyone else's nice sprites everyone [TS]

01:44:52   else's out partying and I can just let [TS]

01:44:54   me know you're my record [TS]

01:45:00   yes you do that and I don't have spread [TS]

01:45:01   outside of a restaurant that used to do [TS]

01:45:06   the wouldn't have sold in house at all [TS]

01:45:08   these do the thing where you have to [TS]

01:45:09   like or you wanna pick where you want to [TS]

01:45:11   go out on your birthday you know like [TS]

01:45:12   your family you know when your kid you [TS]

01:45:14   know whichever restaurant you want to go [TS]

01:45:15   to you will go out to but I could never [TS]

01:45:17   do that because you can't get into a [TS]

01:45:19   restaurant you know in New Year's Eve [TS]

01:45:20   unless you reserve like you know weeks [TS]

01:45:22   in advance we never would so we always [TS]

01:45:23   have to have my birthday dinner on the [TS]

01:45:24   day other than my actual birthday [TS]

01:45:25   because impossible to get out that night [TS]

01:45:28   it's kind of set sorry I'm still playing [TS]

01:45:31   like your fighter pilot dream being [TS]

01:45:32   crushed this has been very set who who [TS]

01:45:35   invited you on to this episode there [TS]

01:45:36   right there good things about my [TS]

01:45:38   birthday being close to Christmas [TS]

01:45:39   because that meant that I could double [TS]

01:45:40   up birthday and Christmas and get the [TS]

01:45:41   one big gift that I want which in my [TS]

01:45:43   case is get ready young people 450 [TS]

01:45:45   dollery under a floppy drive night not a [TS]

01:45:49   combined birthday if I combined birthday [TS]

01:45:51   Christmas ink and give you hundred [TS]

01:45:53   dollars of my own money can i get a 450 [TS]

01:45:55   dollar floppy drive [TS]

01:45:56   yes yes I can [TS]