The Talk Show

65: 2013 Holiday Spectacular


  so guy a Merry Christmas Happy Holidays is the holiday special knowledge the [TS]

  first annual during the talk show / during fireball level of during fireball [TS]

  sponsored Holiday Spectacular we gonna have you got a guy English here for the [TS]

  first segment we've got Marco Arment who's going to do a go and do a couple [TS]

  of Christmas carols we have John Siracusa coming on later to do a reading [TS]

  of the night before christmas is going to correct markers Carolina right we've [TS]

  got john wants is gonna come out with his family recipe for eggnog gotta tell [TS]

  everybody how to make it all this and more [TS]

  lot of songs a lot of dancing yeah I'm looking forward to the Scott Simpson [TS]

  dance number [TS]

  dance number of radio is united no I did not hear whether I know he's coming on [TS]

  here is it was going to be a big surprise well it's alright and can't [TS]

  wait to see the costume funny man you know he said when he feels that his [TS]

  taxes as we should fill in you know because they have do you do a candidate [TS]

  but here you have to put occupation I think he should put funny man makes [TS]

  sense I will ask him at the top of the show my accountant out used to always I [TS]

  swear to God I go over the last twelve thirteen years and counting I've spent [TS]

  more time trying to figure out what to put on in that field but David writer [TS]

  publisher I forgot I don't see figure something out and it you know he seemed [TS]

  to think it mattered because it's you want to look like legitimate and it's [TS]

  not like a legal thing it so you can I guess legally you can put anything [TS]

  is legally allowed to be in a clown but you know you want it to look like [TS]

  whatever you put limits to kind of the things you can claim exactly so this is [TS]

  Christmas Spectacular Sturrock be awesome [TS]

  talking about a good idea you know that would actually probably pretty smart of [TS]

  you just call you know every year did you taxes at christmas just to get a [TS]

  jump at least [TS]

  holiday spirit what the only other question before we get into the you know [TS]

  we can nerdery is I just want to make sure we're recording this now in the [TS]

  evening of December 23rd when is Canadian Christmas generate third so not [TS]

  too far off now you guys do you get the background stuff ready to do it on the [TS]

  Christmas Eve for the 24th no ok researchers more of a thing Greek Easter [TS]

  is different day great Christmas I don't think some champagne so let's meet Greek [TS]

  Orthodox Church doesn't do anything different maybe a big deal against [TS]

  Bashir like a lot of francophone populations sought bids on it they [TS]

  celebrate early you mean like they celebrate the presence to go to midnight [TS]

  mass like that [TS]

  Christmas Eve just the big 12 masses I grew up Catholic that was a big thing [TS]

  but we didn't do presidents yeah we I mean you know typical angle which time [TS]

  we open presents in the morning if you come downstairs in the open prisons yeah [TS]

  but many masters pretty cool you know honestly my thought grown up the whole [TS]

  time was going to church Sunday anyway but if you're gonna have to go to church [TS]

  get out of the way the night before Christmas the worst to me was the times [TS]

  we did go on Christmas morning [TS]

  here's everything you wanted an amazing his amazing pile of toys and video games [TS]

  ok go get dressed up as go to church that is the worst thing about it is [TS]

  torturous I mean that there would be worse if anything I know you know be a [TS]

  hard sell on a nineteen year old kid but it would be better to just make him get [TS]

  up and go to church first and leave the toys and presence there and I mean I [TS]

  don't know maybe I'm underestimate how hard it would be to drag it out but it [TS]

  was pretty hard to drag him out once they were opened up to know for sure man [TS]

  named as good as a kid like midnight it's pretty special and awesome actually [TS]

  has a kid actually makes you feel like you you know it's about as close as you [TS]

  can get you know going to church to feeling like a badass [TS]

  in charge but it's pretty bad as I remember thinking it was pretty cool [TS]

  that I got to stand but I remember thinking that it was amazing that the [TS]

  priests were still up because I just always imagined the priest you know what [TS]

  type of people who go to bed around sundown ya never know that could be [TS]

  getting into the holy spirit air that's how I just like the warning the bladder [TS]

  cut a lot of things were going to get a lot of trouble for this yeah speaking of [TS]

  a lot of trouble first and wanted to talk to you so just beginning of the [TS]

  weekend this this Justine sacco Justine psycho thing where I mean I route we're [TS]

  out for the evening we had a little [TS]

  out and I was like she went to the restroom so a quick check Twitter and it [TS]

  was clear there that was the first time is late at night Friday in East Coast [TS]

  hashtag people who I follow using it this has Justine landed ashtec you did [TS]

  you follow this yeah I did I mean long story short I am probably everybody [TS]

  lists existing blew up like crazy how big take actual news front page of CNN [TS]

  etc etc but long story short she's a PR executive at IAC which is barry diller's [TS]

  company she was a guess she's from South Africa she's probably gone home for the [TS]

  holidays she was flying from London South Africa a 12 hour flight and before [TS]

  she got on the flight she tweeted gone dead gone Africa hope I don't get aids [TS]

  just kidding I'm white and obviously offensive or inappropriate [TS]

  insensitive i think is where I would use but before we get to that will happen is [TS]

  somehow she only has a $200 she's not at the time did you know didn't expect you [TS]

  know certainly do expect more than a couple hundred people to see the tweet [TS]

  and somehow and if it was the guy BuzzFeed one of these other sites but [TS]

  somebody found it and posted it now this is somebody with a $100,000 said this [TS]

  might be the worst tweet ever written and retweeted it or whatever and then I [TS]

  got picked up elsewhere and there is this hashtag has Justine landed yet [TS]

  because this whole thing took place while she was on a 12 hour flight with [TS]

  no in which to me is like is is inception the whole thing I think would [TS]

  play out separately otherwise and so she gets off the plane even forgotten she [TS]

  posted the tweet and it's like she's front-page news at CNN and she's fired [TS]

  yeah I mean gives again it's a pretty delicate thing to talk about you don't [TS]

  want it well I don't want to excuse the tweet but I don't want to say that I [TS]

  think it was funny but I also think it is pretty clear if you think about it [TS]

  and you do any research into the woman at all that she did not mean it in the [TS]

  way that obviously every day it could be that on the surface misinterpreted as [TS]

  that she's somehow taking delight in the fact that aids in africa is the epidemic [TS]

  that's going on here is largely a problem [TS]

  non-white yes yeah [TS]

  well first of all not feeling well beaten joke right [TS]

  second of absolutely cracking jokes about aids has a total third rail and so [TS]

  is race so now you're juggling hangin it at this point you know and somebody [TS]

  there was somebody who was more or less defending are not defending her and say [TS]

  hey this was fine but hey this was not somebody you know jumping on the graves [TS]

  of aids victims in Africa this is somebody who is trying to make like a [TS]

  joke Randy liberal perspective and more I think it's it's almost like it's one [TS]

  of us sad isn't it crazy that is disproportionately right people and [TS]

  people in South Africa right and somebody's example was well what if [TS]

  somebody was a well-known white liberal had posted I'm off to Florida hope I [TS]

  don't get shot just kidding on white everybody now people might be offended [TS]

  people might do a lot of people maybe I'll most people would think that some [TS]

  funny but if the person was known you know not to be the opposite of racist to [TS]

  be a liberal who's sort of takes crusades against racism you wouldn't [TS]

  understand that that they're trying to make a joke about the fact that gun [TS]

  violence disproportionately affects black people especially in some states [TS]

  like Florida gas and that is clearly the angle that she was trying to take win in [TS]

  the thing is I whatever chance you might have had to defend herself or delete the [TS]

  tweet if she had not been on the airplane and realize all people are [TS]

  taking this the wrong way [TS]

  it all got lost cuz she was on his 12 hour flight and everybody realized and I [TS]

  have maybe not everybody but literally hundreds of thousands of people [TS]

  retweeting this hashtag knew that you know found out hey this woman got on an [TS]

  airplane in London after tweeting this insensitive thing wow she gonna be [TS]

  surprised when she got off and it really and was like a very the Twitter [TS]

  equivalent of a lynch mob which I say knowing that lynch mobs carrier but I [TS]

  don't know how else to describe it you know some kind of weird even any just [TS]

  what I said it has just landed yet ya like it complicit in that she has no way [TS]

  of defending myself reading was like thats what people were somehow taking [TS]

  delight that unbelievable outrage you know the number one [TS]

  hashtag on Twitter and it's all about this one woman and she has no idea and [TS]

  she didn't you know people there waiting people who figure out what place she was [TS]

  on [TS]

  you know yet as a flight tracker right and there were people there is a flight [TS]

  tracker people were following it there were people who showed up at the airport [TS]

  to take her picture and stuff and it's really defending the tweet saying she [TS]

  did but jokes about those bad right but you could only get away with it with a [TS]

  traveler context not just about any sort of Florida wine not that funny traffic [TS]

  but you've got to get the treatment they need to stand your ground has been there [TS]

  is so much news around Lake surrounding the issue right now there you can kind [TS]

  of quick that joke and people have context root this is context freeze for [TS]

  most of the world is concerned you know yeah and you know and somebody who is [TS]

  known professional comedian known for telling insensitive jokes like Tommy had [TS]

  like Daniel Tosh could probably get away with the exact same joke [TS]

  simply because everybody's braced for the fact that he's death is what he does [TS]

  tells really jokes that really make you like suckin [TS]

  yeah you know where she's just not a comedian she's corporate executive but [TS]

  it's this don't know it was the delight that the crowd of people literally [TS]

  thousands of people every hour minute even [TS]

  retweeting this hashtag that really I found worrisome because I don't think [TS]

  and I think people knew she was gonna get fired you know I think it was pretty [TS]

  clear and and a separate topic I guess is one should have done well yeah went [TS]

  on about that after but I really found it worrisome how people you know they [TS]

  like sharks in the water and it's a kiss gleeful you got 12 hours to discounted [TS]

  dig in tearing apart without her having heard deal to respond and ruin your fun [TS]

  in any way and I think a lot of it is left was met eleven people were like oh [TS]

  my god I can't believe it's going to happen to me she lands right and that [TS]

  was the joke I'm not sure I don't know it seems like you could do some kind of [TS]

  steady to figure out a ship if the sorry if the most active Twitter staff was [TS]

  about outrage about huge oak or should I leave from this in her predicament I [TS]

  think she I think it's the latter I really do think it's the latter and I [TS]

  almost feel like that's what got it picked out by the guide BuzzFeed decided [TS]

  to make it because it's sort of like this [TS]

  the sixth sense that some of these people have about what what can make a [TS]

  viral mean but it's that it's that combination of the fact that on the [TS]

  surface the tweet is very offensive obviously so I don't take the bus she [TS]

  gave her what they do I mean I'm not a fan of that kind and generous and do [TS]

  whatever it is to take to call it entertainment my kind of deal because I [TS]

  feel like I feel like he probably knew as he did it that he was [TS]

  her career you know the very least careers a long time I mean she's like 33 [TS]

  years old [TS]

  career might be over but should you know hopefully like most things Internet is a [TS]

  couple of weeks and so do you think she should get fired I do not think she [TS]

  should have been fired before she even landed right at the very least I think [TS]

  that I think that I see the company you work for should have been able to put a [TS]

  statement out immediately did you know that they don't agree with them she's [TS]

  not speaking for the company but it can't deal with this until they've [TS]

  spoken to her I don't know I mean it cuz it seemed like it exploded like it was [TS]

  like explosively in the public consciousness you know that somehow it [TS]

  shot to the top of this like you know every news site was writing about it I [TS]

  mean I really do think most of this stuff [TS]

  peaked in in I don't know what the awareness are or does i mean that to you [TS]

  over use that word but it was like the the buzzwords peak before her plane [TS]

  landed like it had gotten so big so fast I don't know that you know that the [TS]

  standard rules of PR apply I don't know [TS]

  well you know i think is also primed by the duck dynasty so that is going on I [TS]

  can't help but think the dead didn't help that it somehow had gotten people [TS]

  to white people saying offensive things about hockey say the darndest things [TS]

  exactly what I get half of what he said there was no public awareness about [TS]

  stuff he said about black people but about gay people [TS]

  yeah man yeah he went old school yet to fully get there [TS]

  yeah I don't think it helped at all it's still looking at this is not funny joke [TS]

  know you can kinda see like there's a scaffolding of what she's trying to do [TS]

  and it just doesn't but I do think though that there's really only two ways [TS]

  that you if you again not to defend it was really really poorly considered any [TS]

  really should you know it's one of those things where I really hate to say that [TS]

  there are things you can't joke about but there are things that you should be [TS]

  so hesitant to joke about it leave it to the pros at the very least right that [TS]

  it's effectively rounds off to never write it [TS]

  99.9 something percent of jokes make a big joke on to it right [TS]

  you know right but it's yeah but somehow it's different though is different to [TS]

  make a joke on Twitter than to make it probably is probably true that any joke [TS]

  that you should make one place you should make any other but it's it's you [TS]

  know it's more dangerous to make it somewhere where there's a ring a written [TS]

  record of it and you find the record it and it's also the case that it can it [TS]

  can be easier when it's just a string of ticket back to the all these arguments [TS]

  about the Internet in general dating back to the people first got online and [TS]

  started using smiley you know colon you no doubt the season because you're right [TS]

  people needed to know when you're joking or some people do and some people really [TS]

  just don't you know some people pick it up less than others and it's also true [TS]

  even people who might pick it up in their native language everybody who [TS]

  speaks more than one language has trouble picking up on the subtleties of [TS]

  humor in their second third fourth language so if anybody is not native [TS]

  English speaker any hope of interpreting something like that as a joke is that [TS]

  said I don't think it's money at the end of this wouldn't know although I do [TS]

  think that was the purpose of the exclamation mark you know an exclamation [TS]

  mark is sort of a more formal smiley yeah yeah you know like I just don't see [TS]

  this as a white supremacy thing is this is a depressing reality think there's [TS]

  only two ways you know and I and maybe there's a lot of people who did see it [TS]

  that way didn't see it again [TS]

  a white supremacist [TS]

  who did instantly recognized it as you know something else but who did then [TS]

  think that it was making light of the situation and arguably that's exactly [TS]

  what is genuinely that's what's genuinely offensive about it not that [TS]

  it's racist but that is making light of an incredibly seriously grave situation [TS]

  yet millions and millions of people especially in Africa ultraviolet super [TS]

  what's bid second while we have drugs in the west now that can kind of managed a [TS]

  chippy at least wait waiting expensive in Africa like to do is just there's no [TS]

  managing entities it it's ravaging horrible and it it just affects giant [TS]

  actions the population and its seems almost in its one of those I catch 22 [TS]

  intractable situations where as devastating as epidemic and tragic as it [TS]

  was in the west [TS]

  USA and Europe at its worse in Africa because they're not equipped to deal [TS]

  with it in terms of education in terms of the medical infrastructure and in [TS]

  terms of societal norms where there's huge problems you know they can do you [TS]

  ask and in Western Europe a lot of it was helped with a campaign to you know [TS]

  increased condom usage [TS]

  service here in turn this into an aide podcast but it really know but but you [TS]

  know and there's a natural relatively simple and cost-effective I mean you [TS]

  know one of the reasons it got so bad in the West was it was stigmatized is [TS]

  basically a game against disease [TS]

  effectively one early eighties people coming to get cancer really understood [TS]

  it wants you know people cutter head out of the sand in trip actually started [TS]

  realizing just how horrible its demise and it affected not just you know some [TS]

  kind of subculture did you could dismiss some coaches from earth summit that i'm [TS]

  gonna screw this up I'm sorry I'm Kentucky sensitive issues in a minority [TS]

  call ya stigmatized groups basically but once people got over that condom usage [TS]

  you know just STD Awareness also in Africa where there's enormous cultural [TS]

  resistance to the use of condoms at all you know and and just go from there just [TS]

  is it truly is I mean I hope Projekt RED campaign is about [TS]

  raising awareness and trying to help you know help the situation and it's kinda [TS]

  ties into are all of our mutual interests has participated in the [TS]

  project red stuff for a long time you know various iPods and special editions [TS]

  stuff like that [TS]

  outcome would you have liked to have seen given perfect world I guess I think [TS]

  sometimes he would have needed the tweet once there I don't know I guess somehow [TS]

  for it never to say never taken off is not right because she did write it and [TS]

  so some sort of you write something like that's facing some sort of feedback is [TS]

  exactly but that you know i i dont know I wish somehow I do I i don't know I [TS]

  just don't feel like it's right that she lost her job or that lost her job [TS]

  automatically you know like had no chance to defend yourself you know [TS]

  everybody should have a chance to defend themselves and she did the same way but [TS]

  the the duct and yeah I wonder about that I really don't like that I don't [TS]

  get hand he's paid to pay to do you put a bunch of dudes like that in to [TS]

  entertain you and you ask them a question I did well that's it part of [TS]

  the reality show concede rate is that this a crazy stuff I I certainly didn't [TS]

  agree with any of the things that controversial about his interview I i [TS]

  mean i disagree with all them and think you know some of them are just factually [TS]

  factually wrong but I didn't think anything he said was sensational or [TS]

  hateful [TS]

  you know I think it's it's pretty hateful maybe I mean there's no info [TS]

  inciting anybody to take action but it's certainly helpful in terms of its [TS]

  close-minded [TS]

  right well [TS]

  maybe hates the wrong word though I don't know i'm always look carefully as [TS]

  the word yeah get too used to hate this I scream you know yeah but I did I'd [TS]

  never seen the show you know I guess I'd heard of it but I didn't even know it [TS]

  was about ducks on the show I thought the family name I thought they were like [TS]

  the duck family or something I really did I don't know it's a duck dynasty I [TS]

  just figured it was a bunch of you know what's funny is the only reason I came [TS]

  to my mind originally was weeks ago when the baseball playoffs for on in there [TS]

  are all sorts of people making fun of the Red Sox for their beards and people [TS]

  were saying they look like the guys from duck dynasty and that was the first I've [TS]

  never even heard of the show it's a show about a bunch of you know bearded [TS]

  hillbillies in louisiana and that's all I knew about it until this I don't know [TS]

  if I didn't know that until recently like the new season without an Apple had [TS]

  it all over their Apple TV and if it's like one of those nice manners how [TS]

  really I don't know haven't looked but might just come out of the nation [TS]

  I don't be too much into the TV [TS]

  but the thing is I i alright so I haven't watched the show so I could be [TS]

  far off base but my understanding reading up on this is that anybody who [TS]

  does watch the show wasn't the least bit surprised by a single thing that he said [TS]

  that got him into trouble this week [TS]

  doesn't have a developed right I don't want which is intentional invitees the [TS]

  word bible thumping or anything like I am I don't know enough about them have [TS]

  never watched the show I know the date they take their religion seriously love [TS]

  it too seriously if you ask me [TS]

  based on a comment but his aggressive you in both of these cases a lot of sort [TS]

  of defenders been saying that it's a matter of free speech which i think is [TS]

  just as just a small part I don't think there's any marriage don't know how you [TS]

  feel but then we can you repeat the question basically people are saying [TS]

  that while these people just exercising their right to free speech rights they [TS]

  don't look for it you shouldn't be made it right you know I never seem to get [TS]

  there are a lot of people jumping to defend this duck dynasty I mean you know [TS]

  major politicians calling it a first-amendment issue first amendment [TS]

  freedom of speech [TS]

  I don't i think thats yeah I think that's totally off base because the [TS]

  freedom of speech means that you can't be arrested for saying things like that [TS]

  right [TS]

  broke no laws by saying these things that are offensive to many are you can [TS]

  say things that are offensive to most you know that you know you're allowed to [TS]

  speak up in favor of the Nazi Party in Hitler certainly legally allowed to i [TS]

  mean that you know just a pic such an egregious example of something that an [TS]

  overwhelming majority of people across any divide would agree is offensive to [TS]

  you only as you guys have we do you know honestly I can't say I'm not a hundred [TS]

  percent sure whether they are federal or state by state but we do you know the [TS]

  general concept being that yes you have to say anything and then effectively if [TS]

  you incite hatred and yeah but I think that by the standards of a lot of [TS]

  western countries the USS hate speech laws are liberal and face the size favor [TS]

  the you know the speaker yes I think some reason strickland's not straight [TS]

  but I know you mean a lot of Western Europe as to where just by saying it's [TS]

  Jimmy's [TS]

  you can't get anywhere you no good reason right and that's not even saying [TS]

  I disagree with it brings out it's a perfect example where you're legally not [TS]

  allowed to speak in favor of the Tea Partier to display the [TS]

  software is in the us- that would not fly would not I don't think we're [TS]

  challenged I don't think it would pass you know constitutional muster [TS]

  but your freedom of speech does not include the ability to keep your job no [TS]

  matter what you say you know especially if your job you know it as public as [TS]

  being hit TV show Glee this duck dynasty showing shows how the time but it's [TS]

  crazy popular it's like most popular reality show on TV in America so yeah [TS]

  you don't have any right to keep your job and so I guess how goes the same for [TS]

  Justine yeah I mean I don't think that you know should I don't think she has a [TS]

  right to keep her job raced on the fact that she's exercising her free speech I [TS]

  think that the company mishandled it scared you know I hate mail the [TS]

  beginning right and you know it's a tough call because clearly it's in the [TS]

  company's interests to protect the company and demanded have an obligation [TS]

  x-ray and you know something like this starts burning up and it just keeps [TS]

  getting worse and worse [TS]

  hour by hour I mean like more and more you know you know between the seventh [TS]

  hour of her 12 hour flight and the ninth hour or twelve hour flight now it's gone [TS]

  from the Huffington Post to CNN you know you know that they need to do something [TS]

  to do to be a fly on the wall and an airplane and she was blissfully unaware [TS]

  of that but I really do think I know that this sounds you know I could be [TS]

  wrong because it's so inflammatory [TS]

  what she wrote that maybe would have burned up anyway but I really do that it [TS]

  was the that that she's locked on a plane for 12 hours I get almost that's [TS]

  the part that almost made it seem like it first [TS]

  that maybe this is another one of these pranks right and this comes after that [TS]

  you line Gail thing with the diana and where again with an airplane and that [TS]

  one was hey this plane has wifi you can follow along as I do this my first [TS]

  thought too and when I showed it to a Mimis first thought was this is Amy said [TS]

  this is fake [TS]

  she was a kiss gotta be fake cuz that's good because it's too perfect right it [TS]

  is is an inflammatory offensive joke but it's not super on ridiculous it it's not [TS]

  impossible to believe that someone would write it right it's not it's it was you [TS]

  know if it were faked it was well-crafted and then you know the guy [TS]

  was a producer for reality show you right so bright and somebody else is [TS]

  aware of what you know captures people's imaginations imagine of some you know [TS]

  it's a great scenario imagine you know it's it's it's dramatic imagine if [TS]

  somebody tweet something offensive gets on an airplane that's 12 hours long and [TS]

  doesn't have inflight wifi and in the meantime it blows up top [TS]

  hashtag on Twitter like that sounds like something out of a brilliantly conceived [TS]

  fake you know folks right now we're going to do this plan to post read I do [TS]

  think like what have you been a twenty-four hours later maybe [TS]

  I feel like the oxygen were just got sucked out of the house it's one queen [TS]

  and you can only make a bill that one wonder maybe it would have been better [TS]

  if it was 24 hours I don't know why I think it was a two hour flight like [TS]

  she'd been flying to Berlin or something you know that distance I don't I don't [TS]

  think it would have been that big a deal might have blown up a little bit I think [TS]

  it would have you know she couldn't write she could have deleted the tweet [TS]

  and and you know so here's a question for you first thing she does a person [TS]

  but when she discovers it this is crazy she deleted the tweet immediately go to [TS]

  bed I think you have to think I don't know I mean it's weird because I know [TS]

  that I would probably panic and then delete the tweet and it's you know not [TS]

  to but it's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle i mean because you [TS]

  know for everybody who just retweeted it and when you use a real the native [TS]

  re-try teacher gets deleted the retweet get deleted but for everybody who does [TS]

  that there's a lot of other people who still retweet the old way where you type [TS]

  party space the username tweet and all the articles are written about him for [TS]

  everyone that embeds it using Twitter's and betting pool there's an awful lot of [TS]

  people who still just take screenshots of tweets yeah I mean even in people [TS]

  know what they saw [TS]

  to even meet so I can still see myself wanting to delete the tweet if only you [TS]

  were pretending I don't really offending people and let me explain why I think [TS]

  just smart thing to do is not delete it addressed to explain that you know [TS]

  basically going to a party mode and keep it there for the [TS]

  lack of a better term historical record but you know that takes takes takes [TS]

  orders at Sydney timeline with all it and it didn't take her long either to [TS]

  delete her Twitter account I'm not even sure if she did I'm actually not even [TS]

  sure about that because by the time I got up the next day her Twitter account [TS]

  is gone so I'm not sure I read somewhere between ten and you can't go home again [TS]

  as I don't even know what do you do I don't know but I i say I just do I again [TS]

  I don't excuse the treated all day was incredibly you know intensity and to the [TS]

  point where I really think that she should have known better I really do you [TS]

  know I can imagine some other tweet that might get some people riled up but which [TS]

  i think would be a little bit more defensible as a joke I think this is [TS]

  pretty hard to defend as a joke but she sounded very good joke right well [TS]

  because it's a good because I really do think that you know I really do think [TS]

  that aids in africa and the the racial disparity of that situation combined is [TS]

  is just gonna put it in a while [TS]

  by which I mean you know you know 99.9% you should know better [TS]

  but i just think that the reaction and the size of the reaction is just [TS]

  disproportionate to the crime you know and it's just this weird way that online [TS]

  stuff like this can have repercussions that it's just that there's no analogy [TS]

  to anything you know the old internetworld you know and it's sounds [TS]

  corny to say hey the whole world you know this is one of those ways the world [TS]

  has changed but it's true [TS]

  like there is no way that in nineteen I don't know where to pick a bit let's say [TS]

  like 75 well even like 1995 I mean I've done in 1995 posted something on AOL I [TS]

  mean it's there wasn't anything like Twitter though I don't recall any way [TS]

  where any individual AOL user could post something that would blow up like this I [TS]

  mean there were you know we had people like I said news Usenet but I mean [TS]

  people posted all sorts of crazy shit on Usenet and nothing ever came of it [TS]

  because it's just weren't enough people on it you know [TS]

  letter to the editor yea in the new york times but they never would have [TS]

  published right now it's true though there was no it would never be picked up [TS]

  by newspapers which I thought you know the closest you could have gotten [TS]

  pre-internet I guess would be a crazed rant on TV like the famous howard beal [TS]

  rant in network you know where the network news [TS]

  anchored just snaps and decision on that is how long that gonna take anywhere [TS]

  just goes on and i cant a game goes on a rant against you know crazy shit was in [TS]

  his head but it would be hard it was very few people could have gone crazy on [TS]

  you know and then it would really have to be going crazy where she didn't go [TS]

  crazy and tweet something she got reckless or she has a blind spot to [TS]

  something you know I mean I think she was probably shocked as shit when she [TS]

  got off the plane that and I sympathize too because I know what it's like I [TS]

  certainly don't know what it's like to make a mistake of that magnitude but I [TS]

  know what it's like to make a mistake [TS]

  period and then to just sit there and have a GPS stupid mistake because when I [TS]

  think I'm sure I say sure I'm nearly sure that she thought that has to be [TS]

  going on her head over and over again is how could I be so stupid because it's [TS]

  I'll bet it's obvious to her house stupid it was to tweet that as it is [TS]

  everybody else yeah I mean I cracked jokes and shit embarrassing an hour to [TS]

  lately you can just hanging out man who was a really crappy job and I did this [TS]

  is a level you know you're pretty public figures he had a big target on baxley [TS]

  did keep up not keep you up at night but you weren't gonna cracks and joke about [TS]

  the baseball thing and the interests just gonna go have to I hate to say I [TS]

  don't want to say it I don't think so I don't think this thing and say it's all [TS]

  about me but it did occur to me like there is a sort of there but for the [TS]

  grace of God go I know I got like to think that they have the common sense [TS]

  not to tweet something like that just about you i mean that's shared 100 [TS]

  followers right and maybe even when you talk baseball right but maybe that [TS]

  actually helps someone like me we're obviously if I tweeted something it [TS]

  would get me in trouble very very quickly because I have so many followers [TS]

  on Twitter but it's the fact that I have so many followers on Twitter that makes [TS]

  me [TS]

  relatively cautious you know yet again and those context to you because you're [TS]

  a public figure like this pushing get retweeted and you have no idea maybe [TS]

  she's just like constantly and you just don't know but it's you know it's [TS]

  certainly possible you know and it's you know and you might somebody out there [TS]

  might think well I don't worry about that because I can't be fired but [TS]

  there's no but that's actually not do I couldn't be fired but what would happen [TS]

  easily and people would go after this my sponsors take it make it [TS]

  poisonous to sponsor my website termite podcast or whatever else and you know [TS]

  again if I tweeted something like that maybe rightfully so but you know open up [TS]

  for like a red sox tweet but yeah I mean like you let it grow firecrackers been [TS]

  trying like but I'm not you know you know somebody who you know Michael [TS]

  Bloomberg nobody can scream he's got a billion dollars he could do it [TS]

  everyone's yeah somebody is dependent on sponsors you know it's not a single [TS]

  source where one you know boss could fire me but it's it's you know I'd [TS]

  certainly certainly susceptible to be given out of town [TS]

  exactly speaking of which one is how we gonna show they help you transition into [TS]

  a good sponsors [TS]

  AIDS epidemic well here's a good one this is going to do first two new [TS]

  sponsor and against this sounds like a great service it's called simple as I am [TS]

  so are you an idea if you travel with your smartphone outside your local [TS]

  country you know exactly when I talked about it as soon as you're outside the [TS]

  country are roaming in like five hundred dollars a minute for data so the [TS]

  smartest thing to do the cheapest way to use your iPhone or any other smartphone [TS]

  outside your country are traveling is get a local SIM card with local rates [TS]

  where every way cheaper than roaming it it's just just the right way to go [TS]

  problem is unfamiliar geography and language barriers make it a pain to find [TS]

  a SIM card when you get where you're going and understand what you're getting [TS]

  so it's important that it seemed they do it for you go to the website you choose [TS]

  your destination for you go tell me your carrier is what wireless package when [TS]

  you get a pic from one of their local carriers where you're going and they do [TS]

  the rest [TS]

  and they'll send you the SIM card to your house for you travel or if you [TS]

  prefer or if you're more likely like me and doing it closer to last minute [TS]

  they'll send it to your hotel destination so you go I could go to [TS]

  Ireland or something like that and then when I get to my hotel right there at [TS]

  the desk my name is this package for you from some already have the local SIM [TS]

  card so you just go SIM card when you arrive and then you've got data worry [TS]

  free and you already know what you're paying you paid for in advance and [TS]

  Singaporeans website [TS]

  explained it all so there's no hidden costs no bill shock back home ok what [TS]

  he'd do well go to their website at symposium dot com as I am like a SIM [TS]

  card as I am P O R IU emporium you can check out which countries they serve [TS]

  right now they have a little pretty decent lives right now and it's growing [TS]

  every week and when you checkout you can use this promo code John sent me Joh an [TS]

  SEM TEM and the first thousand orders they use that code it's just for the [TS]

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  John sent me at symposium dot com check them out and see what countries they [TS]

  have service for great great idea that is a killer idea as you know I you know [TS]

  when a conference in Montreal which involved the American desert here and [TS]

  this is actually a big deal people keep asking about their SIM cards and [TS]

  daydreaming I don't really have a good answer and now I do I i guarantee you [TS]

  and I you know I love the sponsors of the show and an enormous number them our [TS]

  services and products they use here's one I can't say I have used it I hadn't [TS]

  heard of them before this and I haven't been outside the country in a while but [TS]

  I'll tell you what next time I leave the country again to you on using some point [TS]

  because it is an enormous problem and reducing cost me an arm and a leg to [TS]

  travel I always thought that they should and again I don't want to put a crimp in [TS]

  singaporeans business but I always thought that the the airlines should [TS]

  have something like this where like when they come around with your custom cards [TS]

  like 90 minutes [TS]

  international flight [TS]

  lands they should offer to sell you a local SIM card that's because it seems [TS]

  to me like these airlines are looking over everything anyway [TS]

  drinks they want to charge for bags are certified that well why not sell you a [TS]

  $15 SIM card for $25 anyway but instead you know what they should do is come up [TS]

  with ya exactly how come up that way they'll be all hooked up [TS]

  country-by-country cus emporiums already done all the work of figuring out which [TS]

  local carriers in which countries are available for what I'm gonna definitely [TS]

  gonna go with this it looks awesome fantastic sydney is really a brilliant [TS]

  idea even if you go to Africa should I forget where I went to one time and I [TS]

  just assumed and in Google literally I just assumed that when I got off the [TS]

  flight I don't think it was a Heathrow but I think maybe was in Dublin maybe [TS]

  was when I went to Dublin for the conference last year so I just figured [TS]

  hey you know what I get off the plane and buy a SIM card at the airport and I [TS]

  got all the way from my gauge looking scanning back and forth where can i buy [TS]

  a SIM card where can i buy a SIM card all the way to like the baggage carousel [TS]

  which is like the end of any hope of finding any kind of commercial service [TS]

  in a while if there's something there I couldn't find it and i ended up I forget [TS]

  what I did but it was a pain in the ass you gonna go this year to you I would [TS]

  bet on it I don't have anything booked you you're going to speak their yeah I'm [TS]

  excited that I'll go if you're going perfect holiday spectacular coming up [TS]

  and I still have more to talk about with you before we bring out the first [TS]

  members interests writers Marcos gonna say I guess we should do this or should [TS]

  we smell I will save the dramatic reading of the night before Christmas [TS]

  but John Siracusa [TS]

  well paula has his bell choir thing yeah they're slated there be towards the end [TS]

  of a long show probably well brightness up let's talk about something cheerful [TS]

  some cheerful hey congrats on being in the year 2013 yeah I was at that was a [TS]

  nice to have you in the Vesper Vesper best perhaps was picked by the Apple App [TS]

  Store is one of the best productivity apps of 2013 yeah we got it so well [TS]

  there you go congratulations you know it's funny I tell you what's funny is I [TS]

  said something and I generally I don't talk shop with with the wife very often [TS]

  and if I do I'm definitely you know I'm not gonna break so something good [TS]

  happened I generally am even less likely but with desperation gets a little [TS]

  easier for me to to brag but to say good things because I feel like I can share [TS]

  it with others liked when good things happen about during pliable it's just me [TS]

  so it's just it's self-serving to mention it whereas I can say you know [TS]

  thanks to Dave and Brent got this nice award from Apple and so she went to look [TS]

  it up to their own through every single one of these productivity apps because [TS]

  she went to the she was on her back and she went to the apt and she knows she [TS]

  knows the you know i phone app store and Mac App Store but it's a funny thing is [TS]

  I've done a mistake to alone after five minutes but but it just says AppStore [TS]

  you go there so she went to the App Store insist look to see what you know [TS]

  what they said about Vesper but it wasn't listed because she didn't see [TS]

  Europe since anything [TS]

  that her shopping getting it to fix it I don't know I don't understand why [TS]

  everything separate visits a day to perfectly reasonable thing to do is to [TS]

  go to the App Store and to look for now [TS]

  well and the other thing to like on the iPhone I never go there and expect to be [TS]

  able to find Mac apps but on the Mac I know that I can find iPhone and iPad [TS]

  apps they have to go to iTunes it doesn't make you know it makes [TS]

  historical sense but it doesn't make logical sense that if you want to find [TS]

  iPhone and iOS apps while you're on your Mac you go to iTunes but if you go to [TS]

  the App Store yeah I mean my I think this is just another case of iTunes and [TS]

  costly for ya [TS]

  because the App Store app except in Windows his own practice I almost feel [TS]

  though at some point they just should just well actually I don't know that's a [TS]

  good question I was gonna say at some point they should just say what if your [TS]

  computer is windows but you have an iPad and or iPhone then you got it just you [TS]

  two have to use the App Store on your device you can use a computer [TS]

  but then I was gonna say but then that would mean you'd only be able to back up [TS]

  through iTunes and I don't know if they want to do that I think they want most [TS]

  people to use iTunes for back but I don't know that they wanna go iTunes [TS]

  only for backup and cloud I don't think they'd actually prefer iCloud iCloud [TS]

  yeah right but if they i'm saying no [TS]

  yeah I know what you mean maybe no one maybe it's as simple as you just pull [TS]

  out the abstract you remove the app stores in my tent just not right and on [TS]

  the back you get in saudi at Gap strap like it includes all the iOS and Windows [TS]

  well you know you know shit about any device but then how would you still be [TS]

  able to back up your device to iTunes on Windows sharia is different from those [TS]

  two separate the committee connector thing you get to your device I guess so [TS]

  but there's sort of but that's sexy but the way back ups work is it only backup [TS]

  your apps right back up your data and then your backup comes and you get your [TS]

  data from each of your apps back down the list but then I guess they could do [TS]

  it where instead of downloading them or or copying them over from USB from your [TS]

  saved copies of the apps in iTunes on your Mac or PC [TS]

  you'd have to redownload them over the air to your device you can do it I guess [TS]

  I don't know I just sort of feel like eventually they had to cut all that out [TS]

  of iTunes gonna have to go right and just make iTunes about buying and plain [TS]

  mean we've been saying that for years and I have everybody like iTunes 10 [TS]

  its gonna me and I think it's pretty good [TS]

  conflicting functions like sticking the App Store on iTunes and other device [TS]

  management [TS]

  getting weird yeah I think back something different as you remember that [TS]

  I forget and you could get like plugins for it to back up all sorts of crazy [TS]

  devices to you didn't like my my razor [TS]

  your Archos mp3 player yeah oh yeah I think you could use i sync with things [TS]

  like that if somebody wrote like a plugin for [TS]

  do with crazy found I know that you could do things like plug a razor in and [TS]

  get like your contacts synced over and stuff like that [TS]

  yeah it's funny because in a lot of ways that worked pretty awesome back in the [TS]

  day maybe that was a good Bluetooth thingy could run on your Mac and you can [TS]

  connect to it from your let's say your razor and you can use it to sort of [TS]

  perform tasks a Mac I making sense Ricky [TS]

  she would show up as a device you can be little phone and in like you know tested [TS]

  the keypad buttons to skip tracks right but you have to be like 20 clicks like [TS]

  into a deep admin you too [TS]

  yeah definitely but it worked and was kinda cool yeah yeah let's get back to [TS]

  you so you can discover again what a year we shipped late generated camera [TS]

  shipped around the same time we shifted we didn't ship until WBC we were like in [TS]

  a race against time and shaped like the week before WBC hit the App Store I [TS]

  think like the Friday before the Monday yeah she's been out six months [TS]

  yeah but we incorporated on 12 12 12 so we've had our one year anniversary [TS]

  11 days and we've got you know David I got to work right away so finding a fun [TS]

  yeah I really enjoy it I mean not exchange it working on it but it's no [TS]

  but it was good to be back [TS]

  ya know and I was happy now as it was a year ago and it's good I feel like I've [TS]

  guys I've gotten older and even know I was out of doing actual indie [TS]

  development for a while there it's just age maybe the cynicism [TS]

  the tape cynicism that just builds up over years I've gotten a lot better at [TS]

  estimating how long does it take for you actually are you accurate estimate and [TS]

  then just like you multiplied by 1.5 or do something or do you actually I figure [TS]

  anything you I related will take at least twice as long and that's been [TS]

  pretty good and then anything that involves networking by $100 right like [TS]

  when I do when I wrote and people thought I was just some people really [TS]

  took it the wrong way but when I wrote the thing about that publicly pronounce [TS]

  that we're going to work on sink and i said i think is the right thing to do I [TS]

  have no regrets over it so far even though in general I'm against renouncing [TS]

  anything but I just as for other reasons outlined when I wrote about it [TS]

  I think this is an exception that proves the rule but you know how long it's [TS]

  gonna take I think here and do I really know or at least I hope it won't but I [TS]

  just assume that everything that could possibly go wrong will go wrong here you [TS]

  know she said that explicitly in the post right but people took it the wrong [TS]

  way where I put it into words some of their actions were you know holy fucking [TS]

  shit a year for saying they added their minds you know I thought these guys knew [TS]

  what the hell they were doing the right thing is hard I don't need to bring down [TS]

  to do with it and i can state is sort of them number one requested by far away I [TS]

  don't even and that's you know it's it's it's it's I forget there's all sorts of [TS]

  analogies but it's more like like other feature requests are planets and [TS]

  asteroids and sink is the Sun around which all of them you know there are no [TS]

  other feature requests other than saying in some arguments in some ways of [TS]

  looking at it as people you know I'm Brenda said you know said this before [TS]

  before we pronounce sink and people would say well how come it doesn't have [TS]

  an iPad version on iPad version doesn't make sense until you think because when [TS]

  I say can't but you know what i mean they can't have [TS]

  universal iPhone and iPad and not have them sink the data between them but it [TS]

  would really be stupid to me would confuse people I meet people with just [TS]

  you know rightfully would assume that it must think somehow and then when they [TS]

  didn't they'd be like I don't I don't understand what I'm doing and so single [TS]

  comes before anything because people are asking for things like what about an [TS]

  iPad version Mac version how about some of these other features and there's all [TS]

  sorts of great features but it's you know without saying it doesn't make [TS]

  sense but on the other hand you know there's all sorts of other people who've [TS]

  said many times will how did you ever ship without saying but I don't know [TS]

  that we I don't think we would be a single day ahead of where we are today [TS]

  if we had waited for sank so we spent the last seven months making money in [TS]

  the App Store we have been making $0 working like what you have been doing [TS]

  right you know is I you know you're costing anytime just in would've been [TS]

  WAY harder to justify spending that amount of time doing actually ships and [TS]

  also maybe I'm just weird I don't know if I care too much about sink Vesper ok [TS]

  mostly just using my phone I use it cost me but I don't care about that some [TS]

  reason it's a reasonable argument I mean it I get frustrated sometimes because [TS]

  I'll be there at my Mac and here's a paragraph of texas is it or an address [TS]

  or something and I just want to stick it on my phone real quick and it has to be [TS]

  a perfect place to stick it but it's like they're getting it from a to be you [TS]

  know without some kind of thinking thing is you know it's convoluted email in [TS]

  which out to the tappets think a spot [TS]

  you know but then all of a sudden you're tapping this tap tap in a dapper loading [TS]

  an email waiting for an email accompanying copying and pasting in a [TS]

  bit of a dance and all I wanted to do was put my you know airplane reservation [TS]

  number investor so that when I get to the airport I type this code in and I [TS]

  know where it is but on the other hand the reasons we got away with it is that [TS]

  one of the things you know we're looking to see this is replacing is like a [TS]

  notebook that you put your pocket or something like that like the fact that [TS]

  we want iPhone first is not coincidence and I think the iPhone version is the [TS]

  one that is most usable without saying because it's just like a little thing in [TS]

  your pocket where you can yeah I mean I i and abusing it digital field never [TS]

  carried you feel so I actually got my shopping list in which is conscious [TS]

  about my shopping apps and you can type in and you can check them off but it [TS]

  just ended his investors should manually deleting a line or two I just give in [TS]

  areas to use notes now he's faster so you know what I i I've used for that too [TS]

  for certain things but then see ya soon as you mentioned that people people love [TS]

  taps and list after hardly good list at so many cool features a you can do in a [TS]

  list app if it's really about lists and thats we have a whole slew there's a [TS]

  whole family of feature requests that are all about like shopping list I'll [TS]

  stuff that I've never even really do because it's almost like a different [TS]

  genre that range honor of happened useful one [TS]

  but one that is sort of its removes takes away from the simplicity I have a [TS]

  bunch of them there's a bunch of good ones I don't think around my favorite [TS]

  right from Mohawk nice haha yeah they're cheap so I call it but maybe it is [TS]

  either because it only one team the name of the average ITA yes I T A but if it [TS]

  was as if they wanted me to say I have always said it in my head but I would [TS]

  require a 72-70 yeah also I think you get item from that it's whatever school [TS]

  domination [TS]

  grade so I do I do I do you get a strong so I did it is for lists it is actually [TS]

  to me a very good companion Vesper because it in the same way that Vesper [TS]

  doesn't have a specific features it doesn't have note features where there [TS]

  is no way that you can trade over trade texting right there's no way to say well [TS]

  this one item I want to put a whole paragraph text know you all you get is [TS]

  what you can fit on the one line of sixteen point of medaka [TS]

  I have a list in Idaho use every single time I travel every time it's just pack [TS]

  list and it's just everything that I might wanna take on a trip and then when [TS]

  I leave the house I just uncheck all of them and then every time I go anywhere I [TS]

  just go through this list and some of them I want pack and I don't check after [TS]

  I pack and others like a fun going to Montreal I obviously don't need [TS]

  sunscreen [TS]

  but I'll just tap it because I don't need it either I every time I tapped [TS]

  consider these right and and then every time I have left and forgotten something [TS]

  like forgot blank then I added to that list and some point you know like within [TS]

  like eight months of using that West I'd forgotten everything I could possibly [TS]

  forget and so now I've got a list of everything and ever since I've never [TS]

  once forgotten anything important [TS]

  that's a good idea that's like marilyn lovell liked it [TS]

  yeah Maryland will be coming in later life at the north pole for the rest of [TS]

  the Holiday Spectacular so how is that 2013 few let's I mean take a second [TS]

  break I'll take it cause I think we have a cause its wholly spectacular we have a [TS]

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  done in 45 all you know it's a good question I it's it's like probably some [TS]

  kind of mental deficiency my dot com do I do I do have the dot-com people used [TS]

  to ask me this all the time and I think it's one of those signs of how daring [TS]

  fireball [TS]

  has sort of been around long enough that whatever is odd and unusual about it [TS]

  people just accept because that's just how it is right people don't complain [TS]

  about the color scheme [TS]

  anywhere near as much as they did the first three four five years first three [TS]

  four five years [TS]

  everyday somebody would complain about the colors now people don't complain [TS]

  about the colors now shifted to the texts allegedly small yes but that's a [TS]

  big difference there is that they're actually write the difference with the [TS]

  text sizes that it's overdue for a gentle redesign with larger type [TS]

  actually just did the double tap thing just to center that collin everything's [TS]

  perfect so big they had done it was so this would only do that from 2001 you [TS]

  know I actually don't remember when I registered the domain possible I [TS]

  registered a few years before the site of launched because I had the idea of [TS]

  you know the name long long time before I start let's remember when top-level [TS]

  domains actually used to be something gassy and this is a non profit can now [TS]

  see you get that with done in the old days like to meet this is my ass beat ya [TS]

  un dia the original ideas at least in Aus was that you could choose between [TS]

  dot org dot net dot com like I would feel guilty registering it done or I [TS]

  would've back in the day these days [TS]

  well you know but he has a dot org right and that speaks to the fact that back [TS]

  then it was a little you know it was a little nebulous when you registered a [TS]

  personal site because it didn't fit in anything [TS]

  dot org was meant for like nonprofits or something like that like the red cross [TS]

  train killing nearly a dot dot com was for calm for commercial commercial [TS]

  business and you know cut his blog wasn't commercial at first during [TS]

  fireball wasn't at first [TS] was for like things related to the network itself like ISPs some kind [TS]

  of like a DNS server something like that and so that was just what I just want to [TS]

  say to host you know my stupid rants about the Finder [TS]

  it didn't fit into any but the one that I thought I always thought maybe I miss [TS]

  remembering us but I seem to recall that I can or whoever is in charge and that [TS]

  dot net was the first one where they were like a forget about that networking [TS]

  thing you just use this one for whatever and so to me it sounded just [TS]

  semantically [TS]

  resort reorganization com for commerce and then there's net for life [TS]

  the internet and so to me dotnet always felt like the one that was the most [TS]

  neutral and expense it just seemed to me like it just meant you're on the [TS]

  internet it's you know and I know that they've since added it they've since [TS]

  added like a dot web host Gators sales at in which case although I probably [TS]

  wouldn't like that either because to me the web is specifically HTTP in a web [TS]

  browser and then never knew no way too much about the mixup a domain name with [TS]

  the service name right at the front [TS]

  have to be done at WWW dot right and who's to say that it's always going to [TS]

  be a website you know theory it could be you know look at something like the [TS]

  magazine magazine where they've got you know they're publishing in apps but they [TS]

  need a domain name for you know sending people to sign up I would not comment [TS]

  but I that's why it's during fireball dotnet as the primary domain and the [TS]

  dot-com which are registered at the same time as always just forwarded over its [TS]

  ok well I mean I imagine I just going with dot com [TS]

  I mean minds what can be done calm and I went with calm just because whenever [TS]

  they get it had that it had that cachet that goes with the big kids have I dot [TS]

  com just filled up immediately it's kind of silly is still the apple tree and you [TS]

  you know the way I mean know very well how easily I will piss away money right [TS]

  away money on anything up his blackjack I mean anything shiny I just Romania but [TS]

  I you know actually bought me shoes and a cocktail exactly you're wearing shoes [TS]

  at the time and cost me like I don't know $12 a year to keep renewing during [TS]

  for at least a nine at some point I was smart and is registered in [TS]

  Walford 67 years although I don't know if thats Marquez 67 years from now who [TS]

  knows him forget to renew that [TS]

  you know you gotta keep I mean you can't give up dot com no know anybody but I [TS]

  love it but originally I came really close to not registering it because I [TS]

  kind of had the intention on a publisher dot net and I thought should I buy the [TS]

  dot-com 2 I'm not going to use it separately cuz that would be confusing [TS]

  like if I had a podcast it during fireball dot com website well [TS]

  that's confusing as hell yeah nobody would do that and I thought well maybe [TS]

  I'll come to regret it and I'll switch it over if I ever decide maybe I should [TS]

  make dot com primary I'd like to have it and I that was sort of why I did it but [TS]

  then in hindsight it very clear that was smart to do it because some jerk would [TS]

  have done it and there's I think that there's a whole bunch of other daring [TS]

  fireball . blah blah blah in a weird answer we had a storming here I think [TS]

  somebody has the dot org [TS]

  which I decided not to get as I thought you know what one's enough but it would [TS]

  be a scam people and he put his name on it as well and I now feel like we're [TS]

  gonna get back to the shaming people on the internet [TS]

  I don't know if they're really yeah it's so somebody say it looks legit not [TS]

  repainting your stuff right but it's a non think it's up to date either June 27 [TS]

  2012 yeah so it's not being actively used no but on the other hand he's not [TS]

  being a dick so you know whatever it is what it is right [TS]

  yeah so you can go there and make of it what you will [TS]

  I was a bit of an ass a Hostgator yeah you go there and register your done that [TS]

  so hows 2013 view I don't know if you like it from Holiday Spectacular yeah [TS]

  it's the time to sing songs in and look back and we had a good year you know the [TS]

  work he's the star was spectacular I lined up I saw funny tweet about that [TS]

  somebody tweeted it was you know what I never remember where these treats come [TS]

  from so I can give people credit but it was funny because they do not whatever [TS]

  you think however iris however I wrote much ironic fun you think you're gonna [TS]

  have do not watch the Star Wars Holiday Special from 1977 you'll never get that [TS]

  our back you know what I've never seen it and after like I have every now and [TS]

  then it comes to mind reaction was that I saw five minutes of it [TS]

  years ago I think a trios under duress Politics blog called eschaton blog years [TS]

  ago I mean like may have been [TS]

  ten years ago linked to like a five-minute YouTube clip of it and it [TS]

  was enough was enough and I mean for as much as I did hand on shooting first [TS]

  character and just have a feeling that that special suits you really yeah it's [TS]

  interesting because if you didn't know better you would assume that somehow it [TS]

  was like a rip off and you might think well it was maybe it was an outright [TS]

  theft but that there was some kind of bizarre clause in George Lucas's [TS]

  contract with 20th Century Fox that allowed me to do this and that nobody is [TS]

  more upset about it than George Lucas but you know George Lucas [TS]

  like when we get now of TV time he was i thinkin like whatever else and it turns [TS]

  into this region awful special rate and Mike in the minds of some of whom he [TS]

  knew George Lucas at the time maybe even new American Graffiti and thx 1138 which [TS]

  were great [TS]

  certainly you know far less well-known a mass market than Star Wars but both [TS]

  great truly great films that that that precede him as a genius that he was [TS]

  really one of the great seventies filmmakers exactly really was awesome [TS]

  period but the top you know and and you know followed Star Wars up you didn't [TS]

  direct but did you know certainly you know he likewise I directed Empire [TS]

  Strikes Back and even employ even Return of the Jedi great great movie finished [TS]

  Grey trilogy but in hindsight knowing a lot of the Oakland Raiders of the Lost [TS]

  Ark which he wrote and you know collaborated with Steven Spielberg on [TS]

  this great run [TS]

  amazing movies and stuff to talk about endlessly today the Star Wars Holiday [TS]

  Special is that COO [TS]

  guy he did howard the dock with the guy who is the guy did the second trilogy [TS]

  the guy who did Jar Jar Binks [TS]

  it's all there it all makes sense in in hindsight take his whole career in in [TS]

  retrospect and you can you think yeah it's like he had his and garden and they [TS]

  give you pedal perfectly placed in a bonsai trees in this just turns sitting [TS]

  in the middle of it like it's kind of weird which is a special and then you [TS]

  know thirty years dental I know things just a little box house may 2013 I think [TS]

  it was pretty good I think it was pretty good I would say I'm pretty proud again [TS]

  I don't mean to brag about it but I did you know down but the whole thing worked [TS]

  out well enough and I've had a lot of fun doing it you know and I've never if [TS]

  there's anything nagging in the back of my head at all times it's that I don't [TS]

  want to get complacent because during fireball has become so successful and I [TS]

  did you write to me not only is that dangerous in that it could lead to me in [TS]

  a losing relevance and losing the success they had [TS]

  but that it's you know it's just no way to go through life you know should never [TS]

  rest on your laurels you know I was happy to see this would do well and I [TS]

  don't know it's kind of easy to say that well it's you know this may not have a [TS]

  huge profile but you know you inventive large fines [TS]

  people going to pick up the apt matter what platform in which to it but that's [TS]

  actually just a pretty good at so I guess I'm trying to say look I don't [TS]

  think this success is predicated upon you sustain its I know she would have [TS]

  had to scale well we would have had we would have had the opening weekend I [TS]

  think this with jacket last week but you know I'd really do firmly believe in the [TS]

  long run the app has to speak for itself and no doubt in my mind whatsoever of [TS]

  course during firebomb Brent being Brent Simmons obviously gave us a leg up in [TS]

  terms of initial publicity but in the long run that's that that can sustain [TS]

  iya yeah I know what your graph looks like that we had a huge opening and then [TS]

  you know looks kinda depressed he knows that not not that embarrassingly so not [TS]

  doing business bit like the opening weekend kinda thing is you know you can [TS]

  tell when movies back a lot of it is that kind of business is surprisingly [TS]

  getting more and more like and it's because of the just the nature of yet to [TS]

  be against the gate push and then after that I spend a lot of money on ads you [TS]

  know what [TS]

  even just as recent as like when I was a bare-bones software from 2000 to 2002 [TS]

  I mean the internet was certainly a thing I mean it was 2004 while website [TS]

  publicity was important but we definitely still saw major spikes when [TS]

  like macworld reviews came out in print that was a big deal because there are an [TS]

  awful lot of people do that when they found out there was a new version of BB [TS]

  at it was when the you know three months later when the Virgin macworld came out [TS]

  with the review yeah makes sense you know if you get a Mac old Oxbow even [TS]

  courtesy to skew of the demographic there an excuse a little bit you know i [TS]

  mean and tired Mac people and had been feeling twenty thirty years and used to [TS]

  be called was the go-to place where you get any kind of you know recognition and [TS]

  even then though there was definitely a spike when new versions came out because [TS]

  I think I remember it was a visceral was that the time BBEdit shipped a lot of [TS]

  hardware copies you know like actual boxes with a CD and printed user manual [TS]

  and like one would have liked a major version 7.0 is the biggest version when [TS]

  I was there which was the first native Pakistan version [TS]

  and I just remembered like when the boxes came in it was like it was kind of [TS]

  awesome it was actually miss it because it was like holy shit I had I you know I [TS]

  played a part in that and it's just a mountain of physical objects like like a [TS]

  truck load of boxes was like wow you must have had that throughout when you [TS]

  go to a store near you see something that you helped create like on the shelf [TS]

  in physical form oh it was it was true with PBS because you know I love that I [TS]

  still have box schemes and it worked on my bookshelf I start especially of all [TS]

  the ones from before their 2011 I'm proud of the credits but yeah it was [TS]

  totally cool that to go into their first couple of the Apple stores in [TS]

  Massachusetts and CBS shells I say go in and do like what people do like in [TS]

  bookstores when they have a book I put it put a better spot on the show lower [TS]

  it down said that it was the top she'll be like no no no did the same thing can [TS]

  do that these days can't just take command of the App Store in with all the [TS]

  conversations we've had recently about jackass buried or you know gimmicky [TS]

  moves in the App Store anybody he just going to move around it'll be kind of [TS]

  fun in a wild west kind of way right thing [TS]

  so your comments as the China come above freezing this somebody who's been [TS]

  happier still on time sort of college your comment is being added developer [TS]

  the fact that you call for a one-story do I don't think it's a developer [TS]

  because again you are a developer and you get plenty of one-star reviews for [TS]

  his missing right which is clearly think you should be getting was very true yes [TS]

  it is true and so if you really think that makes it one star at least you're [TS]

  you know it is I told him I told you and I actually read all of the movies we get [TS]

  food and even then once I actually find CBS you know like getting a one-star [TS]

  review for Missing Sync is actually in for me so I don't think your call for [TS]

  the Western thing was anti developer I do thinkers maybe a bit of a dick [TS]

  massage maybe and it comes back to what we talked about before about what [TS]

  happens when you have a major platform like when you're in charge of buzz feeds [TS]

  hundred thousand subscriber Twitter feed and you are drawing attention to tweet [TS]

  about Africa [TS]

  she thought was only going out to her $200 yeah and I will say this to defend [TS]

  her but that it is also very possible and perhaps even easy given that the [TS]

  last like four hundred tweet she wrote went to two hundred people to assume the [TS]

  next one would go to 200 people to you know and that you just sort of forget [TS]

  that you are [TS]

  one retreating away from going out to a hundred thousand exam and I'm cognizant [TS]

  of that and I you know I worry you know like you asked me if I worry I do a [TS]

  little because on the one hand I'm cognizant of it and so I want to be a [TS]

  little bit more careful than maybe I used to have to beat circa 2003 2004 [TS]

  2005 but on the other hand I don't want to neuter the site and take all the pics [TS]

  of it and I give you i think i i do think the country view is a bit of a [TS]

  heavy-handed think only because of the way to eat throughout these days you [TS]

  know if there's only one thing I regret about it and like you know I want to [TS]

  rehash the whole thing I did a lot more research about it though you're not [TS]

  since last week before last week but I think it's shitty practice well and [TS]

  looks like the one thing that I don't know and it was like something that I [TS]

  knew vaguely annoyed me and I was like constant grain of sand in my eyes and my [TS]

  shoe every time I came up but until I really studied it and looked into it I [TS]

  didn't really realize just how often even I was seen just how often and it [TS]

  wasn't like I said like dan linemen on Twitter went through this irate project [TS]

  that I figured out oh my god this is the project almost everybody is using [TS]

  because this dialog box especially in 08 with the note thanks at the bottom you [TS]

  can customize all these strings and a lot of people do but the the whole idea [TS]

  that it's three buttons rate ask me later and no thanks and that's exactly [TS]

  the same and that it is that what no thank the code path for no thanks [TS]

  is don't ask again for this version but do ask again as soon as there's a new [TS]

  version [TS]

  of the app explained everything that has been going through my head for like two [TS]

  years and again that was a positive outcome damn looked into it the [TS]

  developer at Longwood they clamored thank you I don't have fixed it [TS]

  basically effectively towards your specifications and even though there's [TS]

  people who are still defending staunchly the old way of doing it which is that in [TS]

  the App Store your apps get reset with each version and therefore there are [TS]

  people who do still support the idea that yes you should ask your users every [TS]

  single time even if they said no thanks [TS]

  which means crazy to me that's what i mean here's the thing is that it's just [TS]

  there this is not like a developer pro-consumer think there is designed you [TS]

  do you design the software to serve the requirements of the user popping up a [TS]

  dialog box begging for reading Eden wording in a way to encourage higher [TS]

  ratings that is not servicing user that is serving your own self-interest it's [TS]

  giving it your problem it is a problem is your problem it's not the user's [TS]

  problem now so the problem I have with sort of the counter-argument to to your [TS]

  position is dead [TS]

  it's not that you're being ante developer is your [TS]

  it's not that you're being ante developer is your [TS]

  certain maybe maybe a little myopathy focused on serving seven user which I [TS]

  agree is probably the right thing like what I would like to see is everybody [TS]

  agrees it like yes popping these things up is bullshit and it is in no way [TS]

  service user just doesn't do it it helps the company survive and so maybe an [TS]

  event about what he can say they are you gonna get support longer but at that [TS]

  moment the user is not in any way interested in meeting your head and your [TS]

  kind of presenting them you're interrupting you at the very least [TS]

  you're interrupting witches can bend over backwards never to interrupt the [TS]

  user with dumbass down boxes why you do it in this case except that will you [TS]

  feel it's essential to your business and that's rough but at least admit Mike [TS]

  yeah we made an anti usability decision in order to support our business because [TS]

  that's the way we had to do it all and shareware irate recipe or or library [TS]

  whatever you wanna call it and like I suspected all along I do think it was [TS]

  written in with nothing but good intentions i dont everybody's acting [TS]

  it's just there was a whole bunch of things that he never thought about and [TS]

  that everybody using it seemingly never really thought about like that there [TS]

  really should be a way that you can just say never show me this again I really [TS]

  don't care yeah and well wherever he changed it and like for example one of [TS]

  the things I find maddening about it is that to me it seems to pop up randomly [TS]

  but apparently it's like like the intention of that was when we don't [TS]

  wanna bug you immediately upon launching the app because you just launched the [TS]

  avenue probably have something in your head that you want to do so we don't [TS]

  want to interrupt you then [TS]

  you know that there's some it tries to be intelligent about when it pops up but [TS]

  actually just end up seeming random and I is no good heuristic [TS]

  interrupting you use I still think the to me that my favorite example of this [TS]

  and I just can't believe the timing of it is the way that Kevin Systrom [TS]

  Instagram founder was interrupted during his onstage by his own out and it's [TS]

  because they're using irate and it was like trying to be clever about when it [TS]

  showed it to him so no matter how many times he rehearsed it before it like he [TS]

  ran into the heuristic that was a bug you right away when you first [TS]

  updated and we don't want to bug you when you first launch the app so we just [TS]

  did it halfway through while you're on the go to bed well it doesn't handle and [TS]

  handled it with a plan as if there's one thing there is one thing if I could do [TS]

  anything different I don't regret raising the awareness of this I don't [TS]

  think it's good things have come of it I think they'll continue to come up with [TS]

  is one thing I regret its the one-star thing which and a couple people have [TS]

  suggested alternate here you know like idea which would be like raided but give [TS]

  it like one star fewer than you think the app would otherwise deserve so [TS]

  giving 01 total star give it one fewer you would've given forgiven three or [TS]

  maybe even mention it mentioned and maybe if you're super annoyed by it [TS]

  maybe give it to fewer stars so give it three instead of five instead of four [TS]

  and mention and be you know and and go over you know bend over backwards in [TS]

  your comments to say it's you know otherwise a great appetite you doing it [TS]

  for this [TS]

  because I do think heard in the overall average rating of the app is an [TS]

  effective way to get developers to stop doing this because the whole reason is [TS]

  doing first place is because they're concerned with their ratings and I think [TS]

  it is unfair to end and like you going back to your idea that that that my [TS]

  whole stances developer hostile well I think it helps right but that there's a [TS]

  perception that it is but what about the developers who have deliberately not [TS]

  done us specifically because even though they know that they would get more [TS]

  reviews and that most of those reviews have been positive and that you can do [TS]

  certain tricks with the way you word the dialogue to try to only steer people [TS]

  there who want to leave good reviews which i think is a shady practice you [TS]

  know I think it's get it steers the whole thing even more SEO like spamming [TS]

  us but anyway the developers have resisted doing this at all and don't [TS]

  have anything in there that pops up a dialog to do it [TS]

  are hurt by the developers who do because it works I could see getting [TS]

  arms so you make it so it doesn't work and then everybody's and then you know I [TS]

  think implicitly [TS]

  it helps the developers have never done it in the first place and I had a good [TS]

  time with it [TS]

  reaction I think I don't necessarily CD guiding so there's two ways of seeing [TS]

  then where you just called she practice read there is either you gotten good [TS]

  reviews to give you a good start hating personally I would rather if somebody [TS]

  had a issue with the app I would rather have to follow support ticket because I [TS]

  can deal with them and help them well let's get back to that is what I wanted [TS]

  to hold that thought because joking and I didn't talk about that and I do think [TS]

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  but it's a great service every week I think it's where they could come back on [TS]

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  talking about asking users for reviews are our email feedback and this is a [TS]

  huge problem on the App Store is that users will go there is like a bug or a [TS]

  misunderstanding about the way it works for a feature request and then they [TS]

  leave it as a review and not only is it not really what a review is for [TS]

  especially if it's a bug but and I don't think people know this developers can't [TS]

  respond to the comments on the App Store [TS]

  I don't think that these people are acting in bad faith I think did you know [TS]

  what they don't know where to put to use a perfectly reasonable thing to do I [TS]

  just can't help you and I'm sorry well and it's super frustrating when it's [TS]

  like a known issue that you have work around four or you know what's causing [TS]

  it and if you know if they wrote an email you could write them back and it's [TS]

  like such a frequently asked question her frequently hit bug they have a good [TS]

  text expander snippet that explains it all when you see it on on an App Store [TS]

  review and it's just there you know App Store suit on and you can't get in touch [TS]

  with them and there's no way to be both ways I've seen as one did you only want [TS]

  to read you and I feel little bit better vigils process of five star review and [TS]

  it said crashes all the time and a MacBook Pro [TS]

  and it doesn't mean we haven't seen them one of the christmas background as I [TS]

  don't know so I don't know what's happening and a cracked a joke on [TS]

  Twitter but it and then reposted it is a one-star review and good for him it's [TS]

  true that experience as bad I can't help him I don't know and so it's not like I [TS]

  can give you a text expansion and fixes I wanna know what the hell is going on [TS]

  with you because maybe this is a texting other people this is not like you know [TS]

  when you get a letter should politician you like well at Kansas 10 people [TS]

  getting pissed offer right now it captures actually wanted to fix these [TS]

  issues right now and it's you know it's true with radars up with Apple where you [TS]

  know just because you know other people have filed a date you really should file [TS]

  the dupes because it gives them a sense of how many people are are encountering [TS]

  it I am I can't recall i mean nobody loves dealing no developer love dealing [TS]

  with tech support but you do want to find out about bugs especially over at [TS]

  least you do take pride in your work and getting duplicate bug reports is super [TS]

  helpful because it helps you prioritize them right if you suspect that there is [TS]

  1 user who when they increase the font size and then they do something that [TS]

  they can't quite reproduce but it crashes the app it makes you a lot less [TS]

  likely to chase that down then if you've gotten in the last month 8 bug reports [TS]

  all saying that they increase the font size and then even though none of them [TS]

  maybe have the steps but eight people have had the app crash after they've [TS]

  increase the font size then you you know you think one now [TS]

  this man and maybe you can triangulate it from the steps that they did mention [TS]

  they did afterwards that's the big thing is that regulation and again it's not [TS]

  it's not any individuals problems are important it's sort of an aggregate [TS]

  effect I do you need to sort of like if there's one guy it's just crashing [TS]

  everytime he lunges and it's only one guy well that sucks I use your money [TS]

  back had better give you my back and if there is a bug it hits a couple hundred [TS]

  people that's probably the better prom to address because again you know we're [TS]

  both small companies really quick an even bigger companies can mention that [TS]

  cannot be said napkin by name because people might be confused you're talking [TS]

  about a Mac app called napkin and that's your job to be a parish do it in your [TS]

  company has aged in distilled yes I've mentioned it didn't use it all the time [TS]

  I use it whenever a bug with us with you I reports to make India developments how [TS]

  could I really is cuz you know I mean it's a computer programmer but like [TS]

  fixing bugs are trying to identify a bug can be like being a detective you know [TS]

  and bug reports are you like crime reports in need to solve the crime and [TS]

  figure it out and you know when there's a hundred of them that sound like it's [TS]

  the same criminal thats case that you're more interested in them like you said [TS]

  well one guy you know [TS]

  well I mean like anything more data more possibility they gonna figure out what [TS]

  the hell is going on and it is you know again it's like being a police like [TS]

  being the police department where you know you solve the crimes that are [TS]

  affecting the most people first [TS]

  yeah and you get China to before you head for the Utopia Douglas exactly how [TS]

  was your 2013 [TS]

  to reciprocate good it's fun to listen to the show and he took a couple of [TS]

  person every week I think I met him at odds that's great I did not know that [TS]

  she's she's awesome she's super awesome yeah good stuff about wicket with us and [TS]

  daring fireball readers might vague the affair thinking I've made me recall the [TS]

  name Vicky merrily she just published a book I was the name of the book CSS [TS]

  transforms CSS transplants since right but yeah it's like fancy shmancy it's [TS]

  this great self evidential what's the word for that but it's like it's an [TS]

  iBook for of CSS transforms about yes she's the former superior technology [TS]

  evangelist from Apple right and you know gave and other piano anybody has been [TS]

  the WWC in Gonda WebKit sessions over the last five or six years has seen her [TS]

  give some of the best sessions i've seen [TS]

  yeah that's good you know we've been doing a lot of that I'm actually having [TS]

  a blast in actually yeah what's your company in a sprightly books at the [TS]

  bookstore and she left our ball to start your own ebook publisher [TS]

  she was neck-and-neck with Syracuse and his you [TS]

  I was 10 Mavericks at the time [TS]

  Syracuse's he's he's just announced an agreement shaking his fist I just got a [TS]

  report [TS]

  somebody just they just told me from agreement that maltz fell asleep I'm not [TS]

  quite sure what the explanation as I don't know if its past his bedtime is [TS]

  asleep we'll see if he'll wake up there were running short on time so we may [TS]

  have to cut a few yeah how are they a spectacular fireball yeah dan dan talk [TS]

  show down from was looking little bit in baghdad that's actually just how then [TS]

  could be shown whenever he can be good to go [TS]

  yes it would be great D nine Atkins been doing well you guys do a debug every [TS]

  week to two weeks every two weeks [TS]

  yeah I couldn't it may need to do is think nobody knows a bunch of buddies [TS]

  and we shoot the shit but i stencil with the talk show's weekly but I keep [TS]

  watching all of these other shows catch up to me inversion episode numbers like [TS]

  the ATP guys like those guys all have their shit together and they do I think [TS]

  they do a show recently yeah we caught with kisses show with and profession [TS]

  ride with but anyway with Alex try and track is quickly like clockwork and even [TS]

  in polls show which they only did like thirteen episodes but like the thirteen [TS]

  weeks that they did it it was like every Monday at four o'clock eastern the new [TS]

  episode [TS]

  I keep watching these shows gain on the talk show in that episode numbers a [TS]

  little better quality game which is why you have me on God I wish we were out of [TS]

  stuff to talk about but that would be a good 2013 some napkins doing pretty good [TS]

  I'm thrilled like you to be featured in the best of 2013 there was great [TS]

  came out and it is Joyce was great got a lot of stuff that we've got an Editor's [TS]

  Choice chairman came out and we had two most important Editor's Choice we get [TS]

  you pumped us we didn't get a choice really [TS]

  2014 will get one you know I had some sink [TS]

  you know that honestly I think that's actually very fair I do actually I think [TS]

  I don't get listed its make its main group of beef list i guess i dont stuff [TS]

  I want to talk to you about so the macros came out I want to talk to you [TS]

  about that so we're giving opinions on these yeah I i won [TS]

  which is your day when no one know what I ordered it like 330 in the morning [TS]

  denied it came out [TS]

  respectively since again let me look at the end it deems same things they can't [TS]

  actually remember the details [TS]

  figuration 226 score 32 gigs of ram 500 fils flash storage and dual d500 did [TS]

  your parents and I got my user guide in English which cost an extra two you know [TS]

  what I did do which is insane I bought a magic and Apple Wireless Keyboard it [TS]

  like another hundred-and-some odd because you don't have a mouse keyboard [TS]

  I do I'm just an idiot I'm like I'm getting and spending this much money and [TS]

  it is a kit is way too much money to be spending another hundred bucks I saw [TS]

  that somebody tweeted me know if it's a joke but somebody tweeted that as you go [TS]

  through you say here's my base model now and configured in the configuration [TS]

  steps are like the deal wanna throw in an iPad it's like and they really you [TS]

  know you're ordering apples high-end product when tossing in an iPad is there [TS]

  with like mouse and keyboard just throw in a $700 tablet what the hell yeah I [TS]

  mean that Final Cut Pro and 10 in that list to you which makes sense but yeah [TS]

  so I came out under five grand [TS]

  except then I paid tax on it so this federal taxes will be cut federal tax [TS]

  and potential tax $1,000 yes 750 bucks so came out frankly I don't think I'm [TS]

  ever gonna buy a Mac Pro again having received it actually but you know I [TS]

  think feel like a lot of the work I do and I magazine but I am super excited [TS]

  about this because it is a new thing it's just a new way of looking at it is [TS]

  gonna computers and that fascinates me as as much as this just gets me excited [TS]

  I saw somebody post on Twitter again don't member who but somebody could do [TS]

  that work and I think this is one of the most interesting aspects of the whole [TS]

  thing is that [TS]

  the the like if you would leave it plugged in all day you know I think let [TS]

  it go to sleep using it you can save you might save $1,000 a year on energy [TS]

  versus [TS]

  yea or or like the similar you know same basic Intel chipset but something like [TS]

  that because this thing is so you know I S inspired in terms of like power [TS]

  efficiency and in its you know it's it's one of the most under appreciated mean [TS]

  with battery devices whether it's a laptop a MacBook or iPhone or iPad the [TS]

  battery thing is for the energy thing is easy because it directly correlates to [TS]

  battery life and battery life is very very important to the actual usability [TS]

  whereas with a device like a macro that plugged in energy use is just don't [TS]

  think about it like I don't really think about how much money I pay per year [TS]

  because I have a macbook pro at my desk that I never unplug but it costs [TS]

  something and it's actually no computers actually use in general speaking to [TS]

  actually use a lot of energy yet when the higher drug prices right and it's [TS]

  not just about being good for the environment everything it so you can [TS]

  actually save some dough [TS]

  you know and if you you know I think you know I mean saving environment good and [TS]

  you're probably playing and you're going to use this thing for a couple years yes [TS]

  you save more than a couple yet this is going to be a you know you know I'm [TS]

  looking at the site which is why did my bumping up the memory to 32 gigs which [TS]

  is so my current device effectively dead and left with a MacBook Air 2010 [TS]

  so this is you know I'm investing in something does the MacBook Air have a [TS]

  light up keyboard [TS]

  CMI my macbook air does not mind this but that's cuz mines and I think that's [TS]

  how old my macbook to me that but I my desk of a 2008 MacBook Pro is five years [TS]

  old crazy at the time it was you know fastest MacBook Pro power but i wanna [TS]

  get a Mac Pro cause I feel like if I buy a Mac Pro I could probably buy one now [TS]

  and then retire I honestly feel you don't know what's not to like be [TS]

  beheaded well you know what I needed to I needed for Safari it helps I knew I [TS]

  need like an eight-core probe just keep on my safari tents from slowing down [TS]

  yeah she pretends to worst we'll tell you know what I don't like test I used [TS]

  them constantly is in webbrowser they make finding anything fucking impossible [TS]

  well I say that i'm looking in my window man you know I'm also go get these 30 [TS]

  but maybe 20 but it's a lot like yeah probably 12 in each one is 832 it could [TS]

  be used for a display ok so here's what my beef with you gonna stick with my 27 [TS]

  inch Apple display shiite my problem is I don't have modern able to split mine [TS]

  is like you know only 20 inches and a means to the fork a display that day was [TS]

  it [TS]

  sony's sharp sheriff I'm I honestly just don't have the money to drop like 10 [TS]

  games on the computer and forget his dad is dead asking [TS]

  so not gonna buy that plus I like to look at it now you in your post knows [TS]

  price for case in its display and husband first of all a coalition of [TS]

  intolerable [TS]

  Cinema Display and while amateur closed now everybody but you said Adam [TS]

  disappointed and a little baffled at Apple doesn't yet have a photo display [TS]

  yeah it's unlike Apple to leave money on the table it's that last sentence yeah [TS]

  the people took issue with that two people some people point out well then [TS]

  why the hell not to sell printers but seems to me there's no money in printers [TS]

  yeah I don't know the Apple does sell displays that's the thing they do sell [TS]

  displays but now they don't sell one that truly takes advantage of the macro [TS]

  any number of reasons first one I've heard it's like sorry I think maybe just [TS]

  a very best when you've heard this one is that and I could be wrong on this but [TS]

  that it's just not possible for them to make a good for case display in the [TS]

  forecast update out there sort of more about like video playback makes sense [TS]

  for like film editors who are editing for K [TS]

  footage to have one of the current a sharp one that they're selling these [TS]

  buildings and use that for editing your fork a video but like for using it as [TS]

  what I want to use it for is a big ass Retina Display [TS]

  just general computing they don't there is there isn't a good there isn't a way [TS]

  to make one that takes all the check marks that you'd wanted to check that [TS]

  out that was basically the consignee don't do things you think they could [TS]

  like they never did a sub laptop thing [TS]

  netbook netbook and notebook you know you can argue that they leaving money on [TS]

  the table I put line food trucks / they will need money on the table especially [TS]

  before they got into this old stayed low and stuff why don't they make two [TS]

  hundred and fifty-six gigabyte one that they could sell for unbelievable sum of [TS]

  money because professional DJs would buy it because they want to be a really want [TS]

  256 gigabytes of music on one device right so that was it I mean I guess they [TS]

  can't make a display today happy with me now I guess I guess you're right there's [TS]

  a way I guess it to me that's me being petulant and wanting whatever I want [TS]

  whether it's feasible or not [TS]

  yeah that's kinda which is when to call you and I want that too and probably [TS]

  couldn't afford it but it probably would have found a way did you know the [TS]

  streets in general I guess the weak spot for me it's a weak spot for me and it [TS]

  has been for years has been one of the things that's like united and i four [TS]

  years is an obsession with what is now called retina displays but you know how [TS]

  goes been on high high DPI get your Mac apps ready for high DPI long before they [TS]

  coined the term Retina Display I'm even before there was an iPhone and a double [TS]

  the BBC sessions going back got it might even be close to 10 years now and did an [TS]

  amazing job of IDPs [TS]

  I can't go back to the right like I just wanted I just have always been obsessed [TS]

  with high resolution graphics like I remember you know when [TS]

  600 dpi laser printers came out and just being like we should take over 300 dpi [TS]

  ones and garbage and everybody's different somebody unites asteroid 300 [TS]

  dpi one down and then when 1200 dpi laser printers can I was like finally [TS]

  finally you know these fonts look right [TS]

  you know what I don't know if I could see it anymore but I was in college I [TS]

  could definitely tell the difference [TS]

  yes I do but it's starting my clothes I see I can see close up way better when I [TS]

  don't have my contacts in my glasses on and take the glasses off yeah I can see [TS]

  that the way I remember seeing 1200 600 vs 1200 dpi laser printer output was [TS]

  home a little bit harder and it was you know you know it depends if you were [TS]

  looking at like half tones for like you know that nice to look at the half times [TS]

  you could definitely see the difference [TS]

  tax was a little hard but 300 to 600 was huge in my phone is headed dead giveaway [TS]

  Vegas used effectively use a bunch of resolution because you just the way the [TS]

  colors are done [TS]

  yeah but the such fine diets and really really make it just looked more like it [TS]

  really started to look like real black and white photography and film output on [TS]

  white [TS]

  but anyway I i've been waiting for the Mac of my computing devices to go to [TS]

  effectively laser printer quality pixel size for forever [TS]

  well I mean that's sort of the end game right there is a limit to how sharp you [TS]

  can see a dead you done and you know I just want them back to be nice to hear [TS]

  right there like being like completely retina ready that was awesome [TS]

  technical accomplishment but it was such a way it was wasted because there were [TS]

  no retina displays for it that's why panic panic right it is exact details [TS]

  even if they never come to light to release those details they did it right [TS]

  and it's not like you know like ABS currently movies where like no you know [TS]

  I get great that Kubrick shot 2001 in seventy millimeter because yeah you can [TS]

  even watching at home there's a great is much better resolution source to strike [TS]

  the blu-ray from 35 million and when I love you said in 72 I think so I can [TS]

  meet you sometimes see the effects guys [TS]

  differently in in order to do so I think everything we shot 72 I know that right [TS]

  but a nap isn't like that because now that we actually do have retina MacBook [TS]

  Pros you know you can run Mac apps on retina displays but only on these [TS]

  MacBook Pros [TS]

  it doesn't matter what coda one was kazakh users to [TS]

  wasted though because maybe you got the panic guys you know the development team [TS]

  in their designers in a retina workflow early they develop their read it is a [TS]

  personal I'm so personally obsessed with it it makes me irrational about my when [TS]

  I expect Apple to provide to me I wanted it if you'd asked me before a certain [TS]

  price tag thing than a macro that he ordered I would have said and done I I [TS]

  will buy whatever display display just give it to me and you know he's [TS]

  depressed and when it's also the sort of thing that'll probably be like it's [TS]

  gonna hit one of those over the price over time curves like you know like [TS]

  plasma LCD TVs high-def flat-panel TVs first came out [TS]

  popularized they were like five thousand or $6,000 and in very quickly there were [TS]

  four thousand and then you know I forget how much I paid for mine but maybe I [TS]

  paid like $2,800 or something and then like within six months my exact model [TS]

  which I love but all of a sudden it was on sale for $1800 and then I just [TS]

  thought I think the other day just the other day he was a TV that Siracusa [TS]

  recommended in the Panasonic 60 TV plasma display and the six yeah and what [TS]

  does it do bTW 60 that's asked to lead pulling from my program right [TS]

  random the scene that review is like best TV we've ever reviewed great blacks [TS]

  insanely expensive and dookhan was insanely expensive and it's $1500 right [TS]

  you know and that's because in some sense that makes sense because you go [TS]

  into like a DVD you know best buy or something like that and there's all [TS]

  sorts of big-screen TVs there you know five six seven eight hundred dollars [TS]

  yeah but I expected like you know I don't know if you know for gonna call [TS]

  for k displays but I hope that they skipped for kids just go to them aware [TS]

  of it is 27 inches right retina display just double it and everything and let 4 [TS]

  Kb called the video format or whatever you know but effectively double the [TS]

  pixels on like a 27 inch display that's what I wanted to I just don't think it's [TS]

  an appellate didn't ship when we write that there maybe they're going to wait [TS]

  until the way to have a good product reaches a deal of time so for those [TS]

  eight words I'm sure that there's also like to people if there's anybody had [TS]

  Apple is working on it and surely somebody is who reads daring fireball [TS]

  that I gave them very sorry for the back to work [TS]

  show Beyonce fan that's what he said to me she was I have never seen so much [TS]

  Beyonce on your website before and then and then I said I laughter because it [TS]

  proved that she was actually I i can say you know what this is not a joke I did [TS]

  not notice even mention it I thought that was a joke about his big news [TS]

  that's you know I know today to talk to you but I didn't notice it you'd [TS]

  actually mentioned in 1900 yes she did this targeting the way the star key when [TS]

  you get it that I thought I was serious oh yeah yeah yeah you were serious but [TS]

  you like target doesn't target will play the single I can't even find it now I'm [TS]

  gonna they will show you the mp3 single of the world's tiniest violin [TS]

  saddest did find one as you move instead of jokes did you not that funny game so [TS]

  that those who forgotten or mister Beyonce somehow secretly like you know [TS]

  it's one of those things were usually when a major artist is working on a new [TS]

  album everybody knows she added [TS]

  entire album that she produced in secret nobody knows coming and it hit iTunes as [TS]

  an exclusive and you know here it is in a coordinated like social media campaign [TS]

  and it sold 800,000 copies of the whole album not like a single but the whole [TS]

  album three days which is you know a lot and apparently it's it's some innovative [TS]

  thinking about what an album can be in digital format because I think there's a [TS]

  video for every song to see but yeah that's it but it's not it's not just [TS]

  eight or nine songs hit songs mixed with video and they're all you know it's [TS]

  bigger production than just the music you know I found your post you it was a [TS]

  new iTunes exclusive Beyonce albums as 800,000 copies in for three days [TS]

  selling music albums not dead yet so yeah not right when you go at Target [TS]

  what happened is that target it was you know that there is going to be on a [TS]

  regular CD I guess and target has announced that they aren't going to [TS]

  carry it because it debuted as an iTunes exclusive and take their ball and go [TS]

  even now her previous album apparently debuted as a target exclusive for a week [TS]

  and weekend or something like that which makes Apple newsweek pundits but [TS]

  whatever people about Apple [TS]

  they were kinda pissed about this and get you know downplaying targeted [TS]

  happens all the time it's like that story business works yeah I understand I [TS]

  want people getting mad about exclusives always boggles my mind I can I don't [TS]

  find it that destroying [TS]

  remember when Apple wouldn't sell that book about Steve Jobs it wasn't [TS]

  authorized right yeah kinda lame but that's the way the world works is known [TS]

  as being a total loser in iTunes his ass behavior constantly in in order to you [TS]

  know who profit basically and if target can try to scare other artists from tram [TS]

  what Beyonce tried then you know maybe it's worth it to them they don't think [TS]

  it's about Beyonce they're trying to teach people without her beach and her [TS]

  out just don't do not screw us do not try to do the idea instinct destroy and [TS]

  you know you're not gonna sell as many as Beyonce did she can check and she's [TS]

  headed that's fine hugely popular awesome targets to send a message but [TS]

  yeah but maybe that's you know I'm not saying it's unreasonable you know it is [TS]

  funny but I don't think they're asking for anybody did you know that I remember [TS]

  I remember I don't think they're playing the victim I think they're playing the [TS]

  thug effectively the exclusive that I remember hurting and really good year [TS]

  this was somebody mentioned when he comes out first then was halo halo in [TS]

  development was a Mac [TS]

  because it came from Bungie who had done the marathon series and others I forget [TS]

  the previous ones before maritime the marathon is the big one like that [TS]

  marathon was to the Mac what they were [TS]

  merit unwise to the Mac would do right everybody has spent the nineties playing [TS]

  dune and you know halo looked like it was way more immersive impressive in [TS]

  every way in terms of storytelling in terms of graphics it was the first game [TS]

  that Steve ever showed onstage I might have been might have been yeah I mean it [TS]

  was and it was into you know the way that games are often promoted before [TS]

  they come out [TS]

  yeah it was shown I think at the Macworld keynote or something like that [TS]

  next thing you know Microsoft bought bungee and all of a sudden halo instead [TS]

  of being a Mac game became an Xbox exclusive and you know again and I [TS]

  remember people saying why not just sell the Mac version to him and for god sake [TS]

  it was not asking you to port it to the Mac it obviously was already written for [TS]

  the Mac just sell it to take my money but in hindsight you know you can see [TS]

  what you know and why you know to correctly so they saw it as you know a [TS]

  franchise you know and something that would be a yes they wanted it to be a [TS]

  first title they would sell eventually did come to the PC and Mac also worked [TS]

  in that business and if you're playing against a console 90% time it's also [TS]

  raining on the PC [TS]

  debug develop it like you got Photoshop and white window and you get beginning [TS]

  any of the window and with modern is Texas's pipelining techniques you get [TS]

  your text in Photoshop save it and then the game automatically loaded so you can [TS]

  see it in the world has you playing that said just because it's running on a PC [TS]

  doesn't make it product [TS]

  I think a lot of action labs yeah doesn't mean it doesn't mean that ship [TS]

  these games and I bet he'll by the time but eventually you probably did still [TS]

  unempowered because the Xbox man was PowerPC and the deficit would be fires [TS]

  that doesn't mean whatever software they had gone with an actual product and [TS]

  taking some software that happens Japan and peace are turning into a product is [TS]

  not a trivial task yeah so I think Microsoft I think they've made the Xbox [TS]

  franchise based in large part because of that first party deal and eventually you [TS]

  know there's a bunch of guys who have since split often gonna win win so I [TS]

  don't think it worked out well for everybody except for Mac users who [TS]

  wanted an awesome game and see if you publish a pretty pissed about that yeah [TS]

  it's funny cuz you know and even today Apple has an email I think you could [TS]

  call it kinda getting burned you know with game previews you know what was [TS]

  that it was a dead happy ninja ninja ninja [TS]

  which was demoed like over a year ago and then didn't come out until a month [TS]

  ago yeah did you know I don't think I did charming great well done and it is [TS]

  completely abuses but in reality and making money on these days it's all I [TS]

  get a purchase it's free and it's a bunch of in-app purchases and it [TS]

  depresses me like a bunch of money but I shiny in a beautiful it is too cynical [TS]

  you know [TS]

  she wanted so blatant get what you pay for like special swords and stuff like [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah you get you know the guy up on a trampoline if you want to get a [TS]

  trampoline that last longer bounces higher than you know and it's the worst [TS]

  thing you know the all-inclusive resort / carnival cruise [TS]

  them where you don't pay money you pay tokens and talking to you feel it weird [TS]

  way to spell grinding for hours or you can buy them and so there's a distrust [TS]

  between the amount of money you're spending and the the token see you spend [TS]

  to get the goodies I just it I think it would think it would look amazing and I [TS]

  get super cute really really well done and incredibly cynical and it just [TS]

  depresses me as well as well you know you know I 2030 just charge me some [TS]

  money and you know what does my heart [TS]

  well and it's a game again I don't know I i've watched quite a bit of it is [TS]

  Jonas is obsessed with it but minecraft yeah and you know what to their credit [TS]

  they don't nickel and dime you to my knowledge at all and I think that there [TS]

  I think that it was like the top grossing app of the Year for 2013 I [TS]

  think from that happened absolutely return it after it was closed and its [TS]

  just $6.99 its riches by App Store standards for iOS you know high price [TS]

  for a game and it's the deal is you pay $6.99 and you get minecraft on your [TS]

  iPhone iPad and that's it you know they made a fortune continued to make a [TS]

  fortune [TS]

  and I know that you should talk to him [TS]

  addicted to it goes it is is John's into it all Mike idea if I didn't make me go [TS]

  to bed it spent all day playing it on a Macbook while watching videos of other [TS]

  people playing it on his iPhone which apparently is not just him I've checked [TS]

  with other parents is apparently that's that's the way everybody check is my boy [TS]

  crazy right [TS]

  seems it seems crazy to me it seems it seems like hell on earth you know to me [TS]

  like my I couldn't concentrate on either but apparently that you know kids today [TS]

  multitask yeah I think Allen man had something that's true of every [TS]

  generation went on to say that with us and I'm not passing judgment and sound [TS]

  crazy but then once I found out that other people do and you know I can sort [TS]

  of see the logic to it [TS]

  the other thing I mean apparently there are about thirty or forty thousand [TS]

  dollars Minecraft videos posted to YouTube every day and I did it [TS]

  effectively infinite though if you wanted to watch my dress and heels [TS]

  china china's just making my graphic but at other parents have reassured me that [TS]

  this is normal to is Jonas will occasionally break out into hysterical [TS]

  laughter like the way that like I remember laughing at like Caddyshack [TS]

  as always the funniest thing ever and it's you know I don't know it's right [TS]

  lol I thought so but apparently some of these microspheres have it be a few [TS]

  little psychological component there I think that can you get these creepers is [TS]

  coming to come in tonight and try to get you in building fences yeah it's a total [TS]

  Lego mindset you know the fact that it's he's a lot more interest in Minecraft [TS]

  now on the computer then they go in the real world but I can't blame them [TS]

  because I think I would have been and I think it it's not quite I think we get [TS]

  our and and and and they even have a cross-licensing deal where there are [TS]

  like one or at least one or two [TS]

  minecraft branded Lego kits [TS]

  you know but there it's not a huge deal but you do know there is like a thing [TS]

  where you can build like a little but I actually think that if I don't think [TS]

  afford it so successful that I think would have been wise to buy them out if [TS]

  possible although it seems as though the guy who then it might independent-minded [TS]

  yeah everything Anderson he's not yes at nosh on Twitter notch notch and OTC age [TS]

  yes not a capitalist minded no guy well you know it seems it's sorta like he's [TS]

  got like a healthy balance you know like it's not like we've been in a way it's [TS]

  not giving it away it's not open source but it is for sale for a for sale for a [TS]

  reasonable price I think that they're probably pretty careful about the brand [TS]

  you know that there you know would pursue somebody who who tried to print [TS]

  minecraft t-shirt or something like that but that the game is also [TS]

  eminently likeable I mean it is like two plugins and extensions right and it's [TS]

  really you know it's just an old school iOS it's not because private reasons but [TS]

  on a PC it couldn't be more old school it's just a folder full of graphic [TS]

  resources you know if you want to build your own you just you know make your own [TS]

  graphic resources so you know Jonas has downloaded were checked turns your [TS]

  avatar did you know he's Batman instead of 12 his Doctor Who and then they [TS]

  people build levels you know there's like Doctor Who levels or other things [TS]

  that really kind of fascinating and to me it is sort of like Lego where people [TS]

  are able to build these things up and it's i think is pretty cool game because [TS]

  feelings right and he spends a lot of time playing levels but he's also spent [TS]

  an awful lot of time building his own things which i think is you know to me [TS]

  yesterday [TS]

  yeah I call that good parenting I have to get in front of a computer takes a [TS]

  cocktail I haven't I haven't seen him in four days man you the best ever but I [TS]

  know he's here now I've got the coffee mug to prove it the best dad in the [TS]

  world right before we got the first time you cracked a joke to me yeah go ahead [TS]

  before the president even have the coffee I have one more sponsor to tell [TS]

  you that in this spot unless I could add ya [TS]

  seasonal [TS]

  plus you gotta have all the tap-dancing just so you know the children's choirs [TS]

  gonna come and sing harmony peace and love to but before that just before they [TS]

  want a about Slingbox Slingbox [TS]

  been around for a while great the only way to take your television experience [TS]

  with you wherever you go [TS]

  Slingbox delivers all of viewer live TV channels your cable TV channels of the [TS]

  comes into your TV and whatever is recorded on our DVR it lets you take it [TS]

  wherever you are [TS]

  to work watch friends house when you travel to another city when you're [TS]

  traveling just wanna catch up on TV shows that you know you have it right so [TS]

  I could record the Dallas Cowboys watch Yankees games hotel the Hotel TV stinks [TS]

  because you know you don't have to channel DVR [TS]

  watch stuff right when it comes on there which is what it's called me recorded [TS]

  too hard drive [TS]

  having a slingbox is is the only way to take your content you have a DVR [TS]

  anywhere in the world is it just you connect your Slingbox from anywhere else [TS]

  and it's your remote computer or device connecting to your Slingbox in your [TS]

  house and so you can watch it from anywhere you know you're not [TS]

  circumventing thing you're not breaking any laws or anything like that you're [TS]

  only watching what you have the right to record at your house from anywhere in [TS]

  the world but then for things like sports where it's all regional right you [TS]

  can't watch Yankees games if you're in right but if you have a slingbox at home [TS]

  you can either alternatives a slingbox some of them only work on wifi or [TS]

  something like that Slingbox work over cellular networking [TS]

  some of them you know like if you have specific apps you know like the [TS]

  WatchESPN app which you can download from the App ends up but it it has all [TS]

  the rules of sports in your area so there's blackouts when you're close to [TS]

  the team that's being played [TS]

  if you're traveling there right if you don't have the right where you are at [TS]

  the moment you can't watch it even if you could if you were home with Slingbox [TS]

  you can watch anything you could see it home and have a great new app for the [TS]

  iPad consoling player is great way of finding shows way better than any remote [TS]

  that you could use because you could just search for the shows have you know [TS]

  the name it's connected to Twitter and Facebook you can see what other people [TS]

  are saying about the same show you're watching and if you're a sports fan if [TS]

  you used SlingPlayer for iPad gives you all the live stats of the game that [TS]

  you're watching while watching it so it's not a thing like Apple TV or rocky [TS]

  or something like that [TS]

  brokers abramson where you do your own thing but it's better it's something [TS]

  that you would him he really does make sense to add to your home entertainment [TS]

  center because it's really about remote access to the things that are already on [TS]

  your home entertainment center if they've been around for years now and I [TS]

  don't work to ensure that you do have this kind of access in terms of some [TS]

  sort of fighting the good fight and it's just a box right thing it's such a [TS]

  brilliant name that the main thing is called the Slingbox cuz it's just a box [TS]

  and you are already paying for home internet it's just connects over the [TS]

  internet they are already paying for so there's no monthly fees you don't have [TS]

  to sign up for Slingbox service and pay a monthly fee just by the box hook it up [TS]

  and then you can access everything on that box which is everything in your [TS]

  home entertainment center from anywhere they have a special deal this is the [TS]

  thing special deal for talk show listeners go to Slingbox dot com slash [TS]

  the talk show and you get $30 off and free shipping on a new Slingbox Slingbox [TS]

  dot com slash the talk show no saved 30 bucks get free shipping deals she went [TS]

  on about ads because we said oh they like the Apple 12 Apple has the [TS]

  misunderstood sorry talking yeah it's misunderstood him that narrows Nokia I [TS]

  guess ya hear the bell choir and women had I will get to them soon I'm worried [TS]

  that we're going to bumper to bumper will get to the others though I hope if [TS]

  not we'll do it next year next year I think it's so crazy I do think and as [TS]

  time has gone on a few times I feel like they have misunderstood out is really [TS]

  really might be the best add apples done in a long time I think I immediately [TS]

  said it the best i think is probably the best I've had a couple years I really [TS]

  like yeah I liked it alot it hit Indian echo on Twitter should not jumping on [TS]

  the bandwagon it's fine I don't know it's a good movie everybody doesn't have [TS]

  to agree exactly right [TS]

  certainly came at the [TS]

  so there's two ways to end the ad is basically a while you imagine to be a [TS]

  grumpy teenaged boy having his face ducking his iPhone stolen so on and so [TS]

  on [TS]

  yeah I just sort of league not disenfranchise but basically [TS]

  disconnected from the show [TS]

  ignoring life around him and now not really being demoted seemingly is [TS]

  emotionally engaged with the rest of his family [TS]

  exactly you know as a common thing I mean you know teenagers have been error [TS]

  and everybody is well aware that stereotype of Lake [TS]

  to cool for school and whatever the way they don't really want to connect with [TS]

  your family on the holidays can happen but at the end it turns out that what [TS]

  he'd been doing is still name during an incredibly good job of filming a holiday [TS]

  movie that he then places his Christmas present to its am i personally offended [TS]

  her warming and touching I can see the argument did well he did regardless of [TS]

  the output he did have a stay stuck in this phone during all of this you know [TS]

  and I i would say my response to that is well what do you think if he didn't have [TS]

  an iPhone 4G been 10 years earlier what do you think he would have been doing it [TS]

  would have been even playing Gameboy you know what you've been reading you know [TS]

  paperback book comic books so I remember being that age and I didn't have you [TS]

  know I'm old enough now writing have hand electronics and if I did I wouldn't [TS]

  but i wasnt otherwise you know I was a lot more like that kid at a big family [TS]

  Thanksgiving or Christmas then I was you know fully engaged social member of the [TS]

  family [TS]

  yeah I think it's still am [TS]

  my inclination is to be so but I'm not enough in like you know you know twenty [TS]

  up and join you know that I you know you get older and you learn more [TS]

  you know to be connected you know I think there is a you know it's selfish [TS]

  and that's typically changes right at the end of family and the mad runs the [TS]

  whole gamut from smaller children 3 45 years old to him the teenager then [TS]

  there's a bunch of parents you know 35 to 45 year olds and then there's [TS]

  grandparents and it's the grandparents and the little kids who were the most [TS]

  emotionally I think that's true you know nobody loves kids more than old people [TS]

  it's I think it's natural because they sort of see it now have the wisdom and [TS]

  they know that you know they they understand better than anybody the value [TS]

  of time they have the least of it left and then there's the parents who are [TS]

  sort of the least involved in the ad because they're the you know they're the [TS]

  ones you know they're our age we don't care about anybody there the least [TS]

  interesting but they're not they're not disaffected but they're not as affected [TS]

  affected [TS]

  and there's that team that one teenager you know that I you know for me [TS]

  personally i I have to admit and if there's a criticism of the added by [TS]

  Qualcomm on most teenagers aren't going to do that and that is true and so yes [TS]

  Apple is sort of showing you my phone but can you blame them in this their ad [TS]

  they're showing it in the best possible light where maybe here's a kid who's [TS]

  creative but and and loves his family but is at an age where it's the hardest [TS]

  to express that and it's easier for him to express it in the form of my takeaway [TS]

  that's when I left with his way to connect is to Canada Voice himself from [TS]

  the situation I could imagine being really good and I you know you know [TS]

  especially my favorite little touching it is the way that he introduces the [TS]

  film which is effectively by just while people while they're opening their [TS]

  presents Christmas morning he doesn't even saying he just kind of goes over [TS]

  and turned on the TV and the Apple TV and starts their play and it's because [TS]

  he does and I can imagine it's a little awkward actually right there's like this [TS]

  awkward moment where everybody's Ayu turning on the TV you know it's a couple [TS]

  of seconds of the commercial but there is no corny hey everybody I made [TS]

  something I want to show it to you it's a he can even bring himself to say [TS]

  anything he just goes over and shows it and lets the little movie speak for [TS]

  itself which I totally associate with ya guiding it is well down I knew I do [TS]

  identify a lot with it with a kid I think that [TS]

  at is made all the better both seeing what some other companies too funny so [TS]

  it's like a big contrast mind-boggling right that's just too good at and I [TS]

  think you think you know the past few years after his Apple has been with [TS]

  feeling a little bit when it comes to really nailing an ad I can't think of [TS]

  the last one that it was just really hit American yeah actually after and I was [TS]

  not as down on them as others but like the the ones where there is that the [TS]

  genius in random situations in the real world there is a genius on the airplane [TS]

  genius parliament building I guess they were played during the Olympics summer [TS]

  two summers ago yeah it just seemed like the best buy on our guys will fix your [TS]

  computer virus like it didn't sit well with me I don't see more exactly its [TS]

  aspiration for you compare this to what she did so Samsung's to do it up I guess [TS]

  is the name of the fence and I just think that that should become a phrase [TS]

  for somebody's check as well so there's this really clumsily made had about 20 [TS]

  young 20 something year old ski resort for a weekend in there's a guy with [TS]

  galaxy to watch the Galaxy year watch and Galaxy smartphone picking up a girl [TS]

  and then there's another guy who's after her to he doesn't have the watch he only [TS]

  has apparently this is one of the things that makes it so weird is that he [TS]

  apparently just has a galaxy phone he does have a big ass five-inch phone I [TS]

  guess they don't show that it's a Samsung but [TS]

  it seemed to me though they get like it as bad as the ad is it would've been [TS]

  better if they had made his phone looks more like an iPhone but it wasn't it was [TS]

  big yea or something but it moment after moment matter what he does this guy who [TS]

  has the watch doesn't have to take his phone out and so he keeps moving further [TS]

  and further ahead in his flirtations with feet away in a very creepy way like [TS]

  taking photo taking photos of her with his washington and he ends up just [TS]

  taking photos of this girl with his wrist watch the phone number the way he [TS]

  gets her phone numbers pretty creepy to just say your phone numbers she [TS]

  literally goes what goes through your phone number and it's so that he can [TS]

  show that the watch will understand her voice and they need to alter immediately [TS]

  and then they get off and go their separate ways to go skiing right he [TS]

  follows her taking photos of her weather watch with his wife right and then you [TS]

  should wear and for whatever reason she's into it like you take a bunch of [TS]

  crap like that night he sees her at the bar I thought his shoulder at the rate [TS]

  he's a here looking at pictures of you on a night I took a bunch of photos [TS]

  names Amy been away I saw that she spells at AIA yeah I mean my phone is [TS]

  full of Amy photos too [TS]

  and then later on there at the bar and he's successfully or there but she bumps [TS]

  and drops his phone but he can find his phone because he can make his watch make [TS]

  the phone and in the meantime the other guy was already getting her a drink and [TS]

  he's got to so he's got to drink one for him and one for her but then his phone [TS]

  goes off and he tries to get his phone out while still holding two drinks and [TS]

  then he drops his drinks we we won't do it justice just it's really bad I've [TS]

  linked it on during open the show but it's really pretty it doesn't seem to [TS]

  sell the way it doesn't really seem to solve a watch be it seems to indicate [TS]

  that it if you just have a regular at Samsung phone you're going to be [TS]

  clumsily embarrassing yourself in front of people and dropping drinks and then [TS]

  see it seems a little stalkerish in terms of the exact man's behaviour [TS]

  towards the woman given the screen time James Bond could make that work just [TS]

  seemed incredibly creepy right way this is not a swamp I just happened to be [TS]

  cool and thank you for noticing [TS]

  aggressively creepy stuff there's ways to do the guy meets girl aren't creepy [TS]

  at all they're cute Mantic and this is the opposite no I think if anybody chose [TS]

  make made the decisions at this game like this training mortars at least [TS]

  should have a certain word with him being like this is over the line this is [TS]

  not right now even close this is it really it really felt more like a [TS]

  ham-fisted video that you might see a court-ordered [TS]

  creation and right leg when you have like a when you've been you've stalked [TS]

  someone and they get like a court order against you and this seems like the [TS]

  awful video they make you watched sort of teach you the error of your ways and [TS]

  what's inappropriate just to get back to the top of the show this is going into [TS]

  Michelle this is the video that they will show you in highschool SEC said [TS]

  close to explain what day trip is all about [TS]

  awful right he does everything everything short of mister mister [TS]

  proprietary inappropriately touching her yeah which probably happens off-camera [TS]

  coming from it is it's here though [TS]

  stepped up in a different direction so nokia has the such a bizarre ad ever [TS]

  really make it up it's so it's creepy in a very different way where it doesn't [TS]

  seem like anything is inappropriate or socially i'm happy with this ad existing [TS]

  in the other at right except for the fact that it's supposed to be selling [TS]

  you on a Nokia Windows 8 tablet but enjoy being in the world I think this [TS]

  ones I'd rather have this one guy goes in the girls hair cut and [TS]

  these guys to say like an average of 2013 length but relatively short and [TS]

  then his barber is grotesque this is this is this is just like long nails [TS]

  long disgusting nails like almost like zombies fingernails from The Walking [TS]

  Dead Like wire his nails so long and apparently covered with like some kind [TS]

  of fungus or something and not me I'm not exaggerating the Sinhalese barber [TS]

  with credibly grotesque fingernails asking what herron style he wants and [TS]

  they settle on a tease hard-rock mullet [TS]

  doesn't really I mean I hate are you about the sense of the ad but it doesn't [TS]

  make any sense because his hair isn't long enough to have the hairstyle and [TS]

  then there's a weird woman who's who's the name of the ad is the hairdressers [TS]

  assistant there's a very weird woman like a nurse ratchet figure member the [TS]

  nurse from one sort of stern looking I don't know how to enjoy that you have [TS]

  friends 1 through the curtain I don't know if you don't even have a bad movie [TS]

  yeah I don't know she has she looks more like a bad nurse than anything else and [TS]

  I'm not quite sure what role she plays and then she brings a tablet right she [TS]

  brings the tablet out and then he starts going through and he can do his expects [TS]

  he'll spread shields and I guess play some video games while areas falling [TS]

  right snippets of Harris song and you don't understand why what's happening [TS]

  right like every time he takes a swipe on the tablet a lock of his hair gets [TS]

  clipped yes [TS]

  magically his right foot but then thirty seconds later he looks up and he's got [TS]

  like like [TS]

  wayne's world there and the whole idea of the mullet I mean percent but there [TS]

  there at literally going off party in the back [TS]

  work with his business in the front party in the back right and so the idea [TS]

  is I guess what they're going for is something like you know this whole issue [TS]

  holding Microsoft has emphasized with their tablets [TS]

  ever since you know they came out with these things that you know iPad great [TS]

  foreplay but you need a real PC for work and so if you get ours you can do your [TS]

  real work in real Excel Word and still have all the fun you can have on an iPad [TS]

  and Nokia has decided to take this and literally push it in the with the mullet [TS]

  analogy and do it in a way that is bizarrely creepy in like a zombie way [TS]

  and this sort of supernatural magic spell way it's got a poor man's David [TS]

  Lynch feel to it a little bit over the top creepy characters that may exist in [TS]

  real life but is just 2002 better actually know what the business in the [TS]

  front party in the back I get that I get what youre trying to say is she message [TS]

  but again it can have fun with it right there may be a tease nostalgic Goofy's [TS]

  right there there might be some way to do that at some point if there's a a [TS]

  meeting in the conference room [TS]

  and and everybody is you know Don Draper style sharing ideas of how we gonna sell [TS]

  this tablet that maybe there is a pitch that is somehow mullet based part in the [TS]

  bag business up there maybe there's bad concepts and it took us to a guy with a [TS]

  mullet who gives a mastering Don Draper South Beach how it's important part in [TS]

  the front and I don't know what I don't know what that could add is I don't [TS]

  think I I don't think it's a good concept but I i there might be some [TS]

  hidden pull it off this is so not even close to how you pull it off that is I [TS]

  can't even begin to think of things are wrong with it like I did the guys are [TS]

  gross fingernails are inexplicable did you make me wanna buy anything except a [TS]

  hammer to use to be right and you you the viewer are supposed to clearly you [TS]

  know there's only three people in there there's the creepy nurse creepy barber [TS]

  and the guy getting a haircut you're clearly supposed to associate with the [TS]

  guy getting a haircut that's you the consumer who you may be one wants to get [TS]

  a Nokia 8800 tablet but yet they're showing you being touched by a guy with [TS]

  these creepy nails done eating like a fairy godmother kinda like same amount [TS]

  of magic but with a fairy godmother is this is the world's creepiest guy [TS]

  because i sat down there I would leave my haircut that badly and it really does [TS]

  get to the point where there is a touch well if his nails and fingers are so [TS]

  disgusting why would you touch tablet that he might have been touching you [TS]

  know [TS]

  and then they also say you can't make this up the guys you know the end of the [TS]

  add his his hair is you know it's it's a it's a haircut that by today's standards [TS]

  anybody would make fun of it is it is subject of jokes and in fact I don't [TS]

  even think that the way he looks literally would have really passed even [TS]

  in like nineteen eighty-four it was you know it's a comical it is a caricature [TS]

  of them you know he really it's more like a wayne's world with [TS]

  so without any exaggeration is the guy clear anybody's very happy with his [TS]

  haircut that's one thing we should mention he seems very very pleased with [TS]

  his decision in the way that it turned out and so clearly this guy has horrible [TS]

  taste and i cant sum up that message better than maybe it's like some weird [TS]

  dishes marketing company that managed to cellmark on that we think this product [TS]

  is garbage [TS]

  guess what we're gonna do you gonna tricked into fucking let's just say that [TS]

  the result of one of these design company patent lawyer right and let's [TS]

  say that the result of one of the one between Apple and Nokia is decided in [TS]

  Apple's favor and the terms of the legal agreement are such that Apple gets to [TS]

  make a Nokia add sugar in a million years could never come up with an ad [TS]

  that would be more damaging to Nokia's brand and the prospects of their tablet [TS]

  than this ad I don't think you mean it like maybe they could come up with an [TS]

  idea like this we can't do this do that we keep this is kind of good job [TS]

  well you don't have to worry me they're gone [TS]

  what Microsoft bought them so I know when they get rolled up again rolled up [TS]

  when we got a we should wrap this up so you know what I so I started this ad [TS]

  stuff is your update to the misunderstood is just a quote from joy [TS]

  of course you did it for me you know why I actually the way that I coded that the [TS]

  second update on that you're the only person who got that good good work like [TS]

  that you your television nostalgia I always a separate discussion but I [TS]

  always feel that when you're talking about a word you should interest thank [TS]

  you goodnight using a word when you're actually talking about the word you [TS]

  should search your way of putting it in quotes but it's not quote calling it out [TS]

  as well as an entity valve a member of the sentence right it's like the way the [TS]

  lot of publications including during fireball will italicize a book or movie [TS]

  title yet is there should be no underlying no I don't care either lining [TS]

  with something [TS]

  underlining on a typewriter was shorthand for when you were properly [TS]

  typeset this manuscript which I can only use a typewriter for italicized and then [TS]

  it just became so ingrained in culture that you know that when you have a title [TS]

  you underline it that people thought that's what you do is you underline it [TS]

  going to be a dick why do you want to learn you links [TS]

  because I think it is useful for people to know what's a link I think one of the [TS]

  best argument the wide angle because underlying was like the first standard [TS]

  to show underlining on a typewriter to mention the name of the book is [TS]

  essentially the same thing now look at this thing it's it's only useful if you [TS]

  can't italicized I think one of the best thing that's ever happened to type cuz I [TS]

  underline banned in in physical space yeah but what if I linked to a book then [TS]

  I'll both italicize and underline and then I'll let you know that I do know [TS]

  why you laughing now you know it's an armature don't care but write this shit [TS]

  connie is one of the best thing that ever happened to type sitting in general [TS]

  was Tim berners-lee his decision to use underlines to indicate links by the [TS]

  fault because in all of a sudden people slowly but surely stopped using [TS]

  underlines to mean emphasis and use it only for are almost always now right [TS]

  prior to the web people were using underlines in word processors where they [TS]

  should have been using attacks [TS]

  well I do agree did like the emphasis is way better than bold italic underline is [TS]

  one of them one of them to know its intention and the other one particular [TS]

  style style is not necessarily what you want to be conveying a lot of the time [TS]

  we could do a show on this yeah we're only two hours 50 minutes and plus [TS]

  because the dancing on you know what I just go we're going to cut that gonna [TS]

  bump them ya gonna bump I think I don't think we have time frame but my thanks [TS]

  for all of them [TS]

  sleep [TS]