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  it's called me and recorded calls being recorded I guess today Mr Edwards notin [TS]

  a leak and leak I'm going to leak and publish it always ends I you know what I [TS]

  think is the saddest part of that whole saga is is to find out that the NSA is [TS]

  supposed to be like the coolest books in the world that that they communicate [TS]

  with the shittiest looking PowerPoint decks you know like like like when you [TS]

  see people making fun of PowerPoint and they exaggerate what a bad PowerPoint [TS]

  deck looks like that's what all this an essay stuff looks like yeah yeah it's in [TS]

  our bubble surrounded by good presentations and advice on good [TS]

  presentations and obsessing over making better and better looking presentations [TS]

  I sometimes think that that's you know the bubble goes further than i think im [TS]

  gonna go somewhere and I see what people are still doing with PowerPoint or [TS]

  keynote speeches and it's it's incredibly dispiriting especially you [TS]

  know in you know I say intact but really in business to it's it's it's appalling [TS]

  what people put up on the screen had to sit through in a few weeks ago that I I [TS]

  really felt at a certain point like they were testing me like they're waiting way [TS]

  and you know that there's a probably done this in businesses where there's a [TS]

  deck you have to adhere to such gotta have this certain look you know I'm [TS]

  going to the same deck and it was a huge graph of year-over-year change that each [TS]

  department had to use and then you had to have in bullets below that everything [TS]

  you were gonna do in the next year [TS]

  jealous being the worst the graph was the more bullets people had jammed into [TS]

  their to compensate for what was going to happen next year [TS]

  well as a rule about like never have more than I think this number goes down [TS]

  over time so many words on a slide and I mean there had to be like a hundred [TS]

  words on the slide and they were all there like 16 points it was completely [TS]

  unreadable they have a good deck no question it to me I'm not even an expert [TS]

  I mean I'm not that I think the best talks that I give the last few years I [TS]

  do I are the ones ran on how many slides at all anymore like I think I'm actually [TS]

  better without any deck I'm certainly not you know an expert speaker but my my [TS]

  rule of thumb is just that if you're going to put it up on the screen it it's [TS]

  like credits in a movie you can't expect people to read more on screen during a [TS]

  talk then they would be able to read on screen and a TV show or movie you can [TS]

  put sentences up there doesn't make any sense yeah I think if you're speaking [TS]

  from a tiny bit of experience I mean if you're giving the same talk a lot and [TS]

  you've gotten really comfortable with your slides to where you don't have to [TS]

  look you know use the note screen you can get it i mean if I don't scream I [TS]

  scream very inclined to send the countryside they don't like looking over [TS]

  my shoulder like as though that's guiding me to know what comes next but I [TS]

  think if you can do that pull it off and then but also not have become stale [TS]

  that's great [TS]

  my feeling on whatever goes on the screen had a post about the same for [TS]

  three folders in nine years ago I think of it almost like like the chorus in the [TS]

  Shakespeare or early Greek play or better put maybe it's like the word on [TS]

  Stephen Colbert like I went there to the yeah I want there to be a [TS]

  never heard if you can avoid it don't say what's on the screen [TS]

  obviously don't read your slides but you an easy tip is you know first of all our [TS]

  guests 0 know what was on the site without having to look at it don't use [TS]

  it to guide what it is that you're saying but then you know it should have [TS]

  it should be something that provides context or contrast for what you're [TS]

  saying I don't think it should be it should be what you're saying because [TS]

  what's the point but that's what people think that's what people do cos [TS]

  that's what everybody else does I still think this experiment done I think it's [TS]

  because of the culture and I've said the center in WeHo back-to-work upset about [TS]

  the culture of presentations I spoke at Pixar one time in like I couldn't [TS]

  believe the set up there I thought it was going to be something from nasa you [TS]

  know and I'll be able to go around like a flying chairs think I had to stand in [TS]

  this one spot light with the stick my cock off the train and I did get notes [TS]

  you but I like to walk around anyway I I'm with you and watch cables [TS]

  presentation xoxo though so I was always to college and I can he said his waxy [TS]

  doorpost I think it's a good example of how to do slides if you're just gonna [TS]

  have words have giant giant words that underscore what you're saying [TS]

  or contrast with what you're saying or provide a place holder if you are doing [TS]

  something is very complex and technical or financial or something you know [TS]

  placeholders let you know ok we're on this is the third of my five points can [TS]

  be helpful but you know people are gonna sit there in read what's on their way [TS]

  more than they're gonna listen to you and it should analyze them to listen [TS]

  relevant analyze them to want to read more people at xoxo no show not sure if [TS]

  it's almost heartbreakingly good and it's amazing because he he he hardly [TS]

  ever speaks in public he spoke at like the seat for conference like four years [TS]

  ago he went like four years between giving presentations in delivered that [TS]

  yeah so polished in and I think the comparison to the Colbert the word [TS]

  segment is so great if you can do that if you can work that out where what [TS]

  you're saying you've got your own back channel behind you it's it's so [TS]

  delightful to watch when there's even just one or two in your deck if you can [TS]

  have like a little joke behind you you know that you don't acknowledge in your [TS]

  remarks what you're saying it's just the pure delight for the audience and it [TS]

  really it I also think it really helps emphasize wire wire why am I here [TS]

  sitting in this room watching this guy tell me this instead of just [TS]

  reading it right it's an experience is just just just give it to me and bullets [TS]

  and this is evidenced by how many places I've done prepared to do a talk and then [TS]

  I get they dreaded email a week or two before the target they say send us your [TS]

  deck is there going to distribute the deck to the audience joe is feeling is [TS]

  like hitting a script to somebody when they're walking into the movie theater [TS]

  it's like the thing is you could read this but it's really I would be really [TS]

  feeling fundamentally as a presenter if you are more interested in flipping [TS]

  through a three-ring binder woman talking right you get a little binder [TS]

  and as you walk into the movie theater and they slipped to the last page it [TS]

  says yeah you know I guess you could say that terrible word but it's something he [TS]

  has fond memories of his child [TS]

  think about how you know if I were to say do you think about how many of the [TS]

  great lakes sayings are cliches are you know it go on like little little riddles [TS]

  or you say like the three most important things in real estate or location [TS]

  location location [TS]

  it's silly and it's a cliche but you remember that because it's very clever [TS]

  and it underscores the idea let me clarify this it underscores the idea [TS]

  that location is important in real estate and it's it's catchy and I think [TS]

  what happens is when you get a higher level of engagement when you give people [TS]

  something I want to say a puzzle that's putting it to strongly will you give [TS]

  people something where they have to reconcile two pieces of data I think [TS]

  they get more engaged now the conventional wisdom which is totally [TS]

  understandable the conventional wisdom as they say again to to paraphrase that [TS]

  gonna tell them tell them and then tell him what you told them and that's not a [TS]

  bad approach for speaking but you can do it in a nuanced way that the trouble is [TS]

  when people are are getting started or even at the intermediate level they do [TS]

  really still use their slides as their own notes a lot of the time so for [TS]

  example I mean when I created this but you know I got I'm probably in [TS]

  presenting best known for the inbox zero talk I did a google a few years ago [TS]

  which [TS]

  people as some people seen and you know i i was there was the first presentation [TS]

  I ever did when I was happy with how this turned out and I was relatively [TS]

  happy with my performance and contains a lot of these little things and I think [TS]

  that's part of a successful when I I'm in the middle of saying a line about how [TS]

  you need amateur system for email that you don't have to think about and up [TS]

  comes a slide of a roll of toilet paper in a bathroom now that's maybe not gonna [TS]

  be fine to people that were there are going to get that but talk about amateur [TS]

  system could there be in next to a coffee making coffee is there any more [TS]

  mature mature system then wiping your ass if you think about that all the time [TS]

  you would want to pump as much and that Delta make people think when I say to [TS]

  somebody if you start living in your inbox you're entering a world of pain I [TS]

  threw up a slide of Walter Sobchak pointing a gun from The Big Lebowski you [TS]

  get a laugh you know you know you know what to be closer to a fault but you [TS]

  know I'm guessing that the NSA is a very and getting the information is very [TS]

  dense and their presentations you know there's a lot of jury Doug R Reynolds [TS]

  book presentations [TS]

  wow I know I did I did terrific book terrible title features 0 in their [TS]

  wonderfully enough to put that in there but you know I think that book is so [TS]

  good for people who have reached at least an intermediate level because it [TS]

  really shows you that you're putting on a show it's not what you think about I [TS]

  think people start with the idea that I have to make a slide deck and then talk [TS]

  to the slides whatever that means you know but if you get this idea that well [TS]

  there's your preparation there's your performance preparation yes there is a I [TS]

  would call him multimedia components as you can see video of sounds whatever put [TS]

  it up there but then like if you if you have like a lot of disk technical [TS]

  information for the love of God have a PDF that you distribute after as he [TS]

  listened to see no I'm gonna cover what I think the most important deltas in [TS]

  this I want to show you some important contrasts and comparisons [TS]

  you can get all of the data in this XLS format here whatever but nobody's gonna [TS]

  sit there and read all the data in a table unless he's just tryin' contradict [TS]

  you did you know what i mean but I guess it the NSA you know I don't know they [TS]

  had that it just strikes me and you know I can't say them following the stuff all [TS]

  the Snowdon NSA stuff super closely you know I'm not hyper you know following [TS]

  along and i've i've looked at some of the decks that have come out and the [TS]

  thing that strikes me is that there's no reason for it to be in the form of a [TS]

  PowerPoint deck period [TS]

  presumably it represents some sort of you know at some point somebody was in [TS]

  there giving it as a presentation to fellow colleagues I guess but it doesn't [TS]

  even look like that I don't even know like maybe that's just instead of [TS]

  actually writing memos and describing stuff it's it's almost as though [TS]

  discourse in in bureaucracies like that has devolved from Mike proper sentences [TS]

  and paragraphs 22 you know this gibberish [TS]

  you know that I guess pseudo English it's it's like something out of a little [TS]

  people in each new wells time machine called Morlock's yeah the Morlocks so [TS]

  again in eighty wells vision of the future it's the underclass the people [TS]

  you know the the the Morlocks under the ground who you know sort of devolved but [TS]

  like in reality it's it's like the white collar world of people with good jobs [TS]

  you know working at like tops you know I'm sure you know a lot of big [TS]

  corporations it's the same way people who weren't like nice clothes and suits [TS]

  and ties who communicate in less than four sentences [TS]

  rail every every industry has jargon you know we we have jargon we say things I [TS]

  heard of the shower and I you know as soon as you hear the word chamfer all I [TS]

  can do is just see johnnie ivan is too tight t-shirts in the world champ for [TS]

  the rest of my life whenever I that's jargon for me like I will always be like [TS]

  an apple jargon word even though it had it had a meeting before right but this [TS]

  is a perfect analogy but the way that you and I write in marked down and pass [TS]

  files through text I i think thats kind of I kind of feel like PowerPoint and [TS]

  PowerPoint thinking PowerPoint presentation PowerPoint culture I'm not [TS]

  trying to I'm not really not trying to be dismissive I'm just just an [TS]

  observation from being around businesses I think that has become the way people [TS]

  communicate with each other even even in nine presentational environments I was [TS]

  on the stakes couple months ago and Jesse said she had a client one point to [TS]

  see chart goes to the show said that she had a client at one point who would [TS]

  communicate by by sending a blank email with an attached PowerPoint to see that [TS]

  that's exactly what I'm talking about my comment that PPT and you open that up [TS]

  and its budget purple and yellow in Morlock's [TS]

  make local bigger see but you know it's you know every this is the problem with [TS]

  with them you know buzzwords or that certain kind of jargon is something that [TS]

  has a certain meaning if he could come something we say so much I you know [TS]

  there's all kinds of jokes for me to talk about opening kimono and drilling [TS]

  down on the kind of stuff but you know if you haven't been around that actually [TS]

  is still a way that people talk I'm going to companies again I feel like I'm [TS]

  being tested I feel like I'm some arrogant enough to believe that they [TS]

  know how how ask tonight I B [TS]

  when you have a perfectly said it would be like to be white but lake or strong [TS]

  but like if you've got a suitable English word for something say the word [TS]

  that means what you want to say people make fun of me because I say costly [TS]

  instead of expensive I don't see costs instead of expensive costly inexpensive [TS]

  mean two different things [TS]

  costly means it costs a lot of money expensive means it costs a lot of money [TS]

  and maybe more than it should and may not be worth it [TS]

  these words mean things right and so you know it's it's easy in our culture to [TS]

  slide into a place where words come out of your mouth so easily they have a [TS]

  certain kind of meaning but the flabby meaning but it is what's acceptable [TS]

  you know there are certain words that have a lot of gravitas to them and then [TS]

  there are still huge super class of words that are that are real real flabby [TS]

  and it's ok if we use those lockers that's how we talk to each other just [TS]

  like we always wear the same kind of suit to work I think that becomes [TS]

  comfortable people and everyone to get real depressed about the state of [TS]

  discourse and language I just reread politics and the English language or [TS]

  well yeah we're really well there there are two things that I is there is a guy [TS]

  there was a guy who explained everything that was wrong with the way politicians [TS]

  communicate what sixty seventy years ago here it is [TS]

  spell it all out easily the fixed and it's gotten nothing but worse in every [TS]

  way since then I think a lot of people would like to write that off as being an [TS]

  artifact of the time something something not see but or stalin I think he's [TS]

  probably more but I think some people on a roll their eyes at that because they [TS]

  say oh well just because I speak in bureaucratese doesn't doesn't make me [TS]

  stalin but he makes a really good point which is that when you get when you [TS]

  become in precise about your public discourse there's no I say this there [TS]

  there are two things that I made myself reread but [TS]

  I find myself rereading and make me feel ashamed of how I write and really how I [TS]

  speak and you can guess what the two things are that the politics but it's [TS]

  politics and the English language I believe any other one is we talked about [TS]

  before songwriting well by William Zinsser when I pick up that book that [TS]

  book changed my life and to me it's something to aspire to [TS]

  when I'm really trying to write something like write something that I [TS]

  really want to live for a while it's tough in the age of blogging because you [TS]

  know [TS]

  80% there is way more there than most peoples there but you know if it's [TS]

  something that I really want to last I try to exercise restraint that Williams [TS]

  answer councils and when you do that you're writing comp lead changes and you [TS]

  realize the imprecision what you've been writing and saying when you realize that [TS]

  something blah blah 10 pages could really be a page and half long it'll be [TS]

  fundamentally different than what you started out writing it and it will it [TS]

  will say something very specific was very specific words that mean that I was [TS]

  injured on writing well certainly isn't obscure [TS]

  you know it's you know pretty well known guide but I'm and I'm not the first to [TS]

  say what the following but and I'm a huge fan of The Elements of Style be [TS]

  widen Strunk and white if you but I think a lot of that I've seen a lot of [TS]

  people who said a lot of people who I respect to say that their their relative [TS]

  positions in the canon of you know read if you only read one thing read this [TS]

  should be the other way that gingers on writing well is more profound you know [TS]

  and I think they go well together but I was gonna say i mean i i think it's a [TS]

  there's a really simple way to put this very plane way to put it I will omit [TS]

  needless words every but also every high school student should read the owner's [TS]

  style and then be asked to demonstrate [TS]

  how they can put that you know into place in the writing a report of a read [TS]

  on the style in high school and I think this summer before you start college you [TS]

  really should read on writing well I think I'm writing well is is going to [TS]

  make more sense if you've written a little bit in high school I don't know [TS]

  if I would hit every high school student because they haven't had enough [TS]

  experience but I'm writing well I think functions best as a real splash of cold [TS]

  wire [TS]

  you know get I'm projecting it was handed to me by the story before but [TS]

  everybody always love my writing blablabla I I can be real purple and I [TS]

  was features editor and in high school and I'm smart and talented and it wasn't [TS]

  until a second year of college that the physics teacher has taken physics for [TS]

  poets told me how poor my writing was like are you kidding me [TS]

  idk are you sure [TS]

  guy from hungary has teaching me you know baker and Einstein you you know [TS]

  lots about writing he's absolutely right he sent me to the writing tutor right me [TS]

  the writing guy he sent me to the writing tutor and she kicked my ass and [TS]

  ways from Sunday she made me go back and reaching she handed me a copy of the [TS]

  book store and said you're gonna go buy this book on writing well you're gonna [TS]

  read it and that's what we're gonna work on and I said this before but I ignore [TS]

  that my parents I forget that my peril but I can't think of a better book for [TS]

  somebody who has the basic tools and knows how to functionally hammers and [TS]

  nails like this is going to change the way you do your carpentry and that's i [TS]

  think thats actually his analogy the book he says it's it's it's like making [TS]

  furniture you write a book I somehow I got well out of college before I'd ever [TS]

  been exposed to it though like whereas elements it's not well known outside of [TS]

  nerdy writing circles ya see I you know like I said it's not I wouldn't call it [TS]

  obscure but it just doesn't have that ubiquity that the elements of style and [TS]

  I still think deserves but somehow I feel like I i feel like ginger should be [TS]

  on the same pedestal [TS]

  you know i i misses one time in you know when people listen [TS]

  people who sit around regard themselves as great writers piss and moan about all [TS]

  the problems with Strunk and white criticizing CPR classes because you have [TS]

  become a medical student it's like you know you could do a lot worse in this [TS]

  world than reading the the elements of style and you know just what's there you [TS]

  know you could even skip the sections on their vs there and stuff like that but [TS]

  reading the section includes a meaningless words that section that's [TS]

  all that matters to stop matters of section I mean if everybody read that [TS]

  through and just you know it's a great starting point you may not be able to [TS]

  open heart surgery but you might be able to save your dad from Diana planes on [TS]

  saying I think it's frustrating it's a silly kind of backlash it's one of those [TS]

  inside baseball things to me where it's like you know you know you know you [TS]

  considered about writing that you can be a real smartass about a book itself that [TS]

  many people to at least know how to put together a sentence and there are so [TS]

  many people that cannot put together it's sickening [TS]

  PowerPoint PowerPoint yeah well and it's funny and I know that people and know [TS]

  that it's a freakin whipping boy i mean blah blah blah you know complain about [TS]

  power point is you know overdone but I do think I i do think there's some sort [TS]

  of there's a profound way that it's it's not just that it's abused it that it is [TS]

  somehow shaping the final throw it all thought have to go you know like you [TS]

  said if somebody commute literally communicates with no hyperbole with with [TS]

  just emailing a PPT he then everything that they communicate is going to [TS]

  squeeze through that funnel and it's it is [TS]

  you might think well it's so rich because you've got color in fines and [TS]

  you can drag stuff around on page and you know and I think you and I you know [TS]

  clearly are both of the sort we're really the better medium for [TS]

  communicating his plane on styled text just a string of characters and [TS]

  punctuation marks carefully arranged to express your thoughts [TS]

  you know which is no color it's really just literally just a string of [TS]

  characters it is you know no more than what you could have produced on it on a [TS]

  typewriter except that you have the i mean all of your flaws are laid bare [TS]

  when you have to write a clear sense there's a panel like old saloon and they [TS]

  have a lot of their songs consolidated and unconsolidated but this is something [TS]

  like it's not the band I hate it's their fans and I think you know this is gonna [TS]

  sound productive but I think if you take any now that everybody looks at is a [TS]

  problem just try adding the words the culture of in front of that now and I [TS]

  think things become a lot clearer you know it's really just ATP and they're [TS]

  talking about you know enterprise software to create great game rant about [TS]

  us [TS]

  enterprise software and and market talk about that hit max capital and capital a [TS]

  capital Z and and I think they don't hate Macs I think they hit the culture [TS]

  of Max I think they hit the culture of Apple it isn't that people hate [TS]

  consolidated the whole hit the culture of consolidated and I have to say for [TS]

  myself there's nothing wrong with the binary that we call PowerPoint it's a [TS]

  problem with the culture PowerPoint and the fact that it's become so ingrained [TS]

  as you know it's easier to beat up on an application than it is to have some [TS]

  nuance about why that's problematic and the problematic part is that it's you [TS]

  know if that's what the hammer a nail problem right i mean that's not the [TS]

  perfect medium for everything but you'll never get your ass kicked for hitting [TS]

  somebody to PowerPoint in certain environments right whereas if you have [TS]

  to write three sentences that explain where numbers are where they should be [TS]

  for the last [TS]

  fiscal year there's a lot more room for people to to to criticize I think it's [TS]

  it doesn't fit you know its culture i mean you know it's it's like a jemi [TS]

  right you can if you can tell what it is that's not the thing it's the thing [TS]

  that's in the air that we don't have to talk about and we can't name and we [TS]

  can't touch with their hands that that's really the thing that makes officers [TS]

  complicated it's what makes relationships and families complicated [TS]

  and I think it's you know what makes that PowerPoint culture so frustrating [TS]

  and I'm pretty crazy person when I go to those things I i think im like you I [TS]

  mean I throw my slides all the time if I the slightest indication that there's [TS]

  going to be a weird technical glitch [TS]

  the story about what I'm told you this one time I went to a talk somewhere nice [TS]

  people and we stipulate super nice people and they said I hear my Mac under [TS]

  new number try new things here go ahead and put all of that to to PDF put it on [TS]

  this drive and then in the clicker and I was just really they gave me an email [TS]

  controller and I had to use code words I I had that experience speaking at a [TS]

  rally conference will this is unusual places where I had my beautiful deck I [TS]

  spent a lot of time I i went great trans subtle transitions there are a bullet [TS]

  bullets you know bullet builds cause I don't want the whole thing they just [TS]

  show up you know the whole nine if you can go in and it's not that hard if [TS]

  you're a real pro presenter it's a good idea to have a PDF ready anytime any way [TS]

  to get ready for this so I been led to believe I could just use my laptop [TS]

  the problem so I'm gonna get minutes green gonna have all this I'm a diva but [TS]

  beauty part is I give that to them on a thumb drive and the clicker that they [TS]

  give me is not a clicker that's connected to a PC somewhere it's a [TS]

  clicker that turns a light on in the basement that lets the space to go to [TS]

  the next slide so even setting aside latency like what if I accidentally hit [TS]

  twice what does he do it so I'm sitting there in a bar the night before the [TS]

  presentation [TS]

  the biggest diva in the world I'm so how would you know if I want to go back a [TS]

  slight but what if something happened that I wanted to but i wanna jump [TS]

  somewhere else [TS]

  you know i i you know i i I sound like a crazy person because that's what I was [TS]

  saying was not OK and a culture was ok and that culture is we've got this its [TS]

  light less with enterprise software we have the system that's gonna work and [TS]

  not break but not be great but it's not gonna break and if you just a few you [TS]

  know if you weren't Diana Ross you wouldn't have this problem be done that [TS]

  if you showed up and and and likely show up with your MacBook Pro and you're [TS]

  ready to plug in like maybe there's not a DVI or something have you run into [TS]

  situations where you had to scramble you can do more stick in the last few years [TS]

  yeah but then I tapered off I find it so stressed I only spoke twice this counter [TS]

  yer did web stock and then I did and I gave the same talk more lessons both at [TS]

  Webb stock with slide and then it all without and I think that at all it went [TS]

  better now maybe that's because I gave it a second time maybe that was what it [TS]

  was but now but the last few years though I've been going to places that [TS]

  are so designer II rather than nerdy that they're really ready for your Mac [TS]

  MacBook web stock I mean like I had some glitches with mine just probably I i [TS]

  pursed [TS]

  but if there was a pretty sweet set up a date that was two years ago [TS]

  three years ago some like that back I think I think that the crime really put [TS]

  him off [TS]

  now they they they upgraded this year though remember three years ago they had [TS]

  a four by three display which threw me off because I always default BIOS always [TS]

  assume widescreen 69 and this year they had a 69 pretty good setup but yet but I [TS]

  places I've gone are more ready for you we just assume you're gonna show up with [TS]

  a MacBook shooting fish in a barrel I'll just say that when I do show up [TS]

  somewhere and I i dont wanna be thinking about the slides and thinking about the [TS]

  room I mean sounds corny but I've really on a look at every face out there and [TS]

  see who's on my side who's not on my side who's getting ready to cry is great [TS]

  to throw something like I wanna be watching the tone of the room and I will [TS]

  change what I'm saying it's just my nature it is my nature to adapt to what [TS]

  I'm saying to people I mean I'm I'm really in the gosh darn room when that's [TS]

  happening so I'm very inclined to just throw stuff out but here's the thing as [TS]

  with the culture power points if you show up somewhere and you are it's been [TS]

  framed that you are a speaker or a presenter and you don't have slides it's [TS]

  like I'm not giving a German cake after a meal [TS]

  people lose it you lose all credibility you know Jim crude on there has slides [TS]

  out I believe and I think we talked about this I don't you know he in its [TS]

  big semi frequently and I don't you know he's a graphic designer he is a good [TS]

  graphic designer and really good he's never given a talk with slides he just [TS]

  has you know couple of index cards in his hand and just talks and it's you [TS]

  know it I do think for some people it is it throws you off in a couple of minutes [TS]

  but I've seen he's a great speaker but it you know it it keeps you in [TS]

  well I mean it you know it's it's like anything i mean you know if you're good [TS]

  at what you do and you have something interesting to say [TS]

  and you've heard enough that you know how it ends then you should use whatever [TS]

  works for you you know it but but i i dont know it's a ski poles or something [TS]

  like I i i i just think that I think that again in this culture [TS]

  again a private productive but in that culture it is so normal and it's it's so [TS]

  ok to have basically done ace second draft outline that you then turn into [TS]

  graphics and that's super week in my opinion you know I don't think you know [TS]

  when I listen to a podcast or when I watch a movie or whatever I don't want [TS]

  to see the scaffolding you know there may be a structure to it and sometimes [TS]

  that's important if you say the three things that need to change about our [TS]

  company to stay alive then you better have three things but you know did the [TS]

  other book that I was recommended people learn about the format how years ago and [TS]

  I think if you're struggling at all with with presentations are you getting [TS]

  started you could do a lot worse in this book this is a book that has started to [TS]

  suck over the last few years as its Microsoft Press book called [TS]

  bullet points and unfortunately over the years it's become more about PowerPoint [TS]

  but the basic premise of it is strong final copy get it but the basic premises [TS]

  that you're telling a story in three acts you're telling us and basically [TS]

  walks you to accuse you a Microsoft Word document you fill out and you write the [TS]

  headline has to fit in one line you read the headline for each slide is like [TS]

  where are we [TS]

  who is the main character you tell a story there are three acts the scenes [TS]

  inside the actor playing at how long you're speaking and then you bring back [TS]

  around to what your solution isn't so forth anyway it's an exercise it's one [TS]

  of the paper prototype things where I think anybody wants to get better at [TS]

  presenting should make themselves walk through that right [TS]

  if you walk through that and you can tell that story in those headlines then [TS]

  you may not know what your story is yet and throw them away but now you know [TS]

  what it is you're trying to say you know the three big points that you wanna make [TS]

  and you can amplify that however you want whether this the graphics are [TS]

  shooting a flare gun whatever it is you know your story now and and you can [TS]

  speak with authority i think is a good point to you said that you like to see [TS]

  you always like to check out the room before you speak all possible yeah yeah [TS]

  and again I i dont I mean I'm a writer and then occasionally I speak I am NOT I [TS]

  am trying to get better at it and you've gotten way better at it I i do you know [TS]

  almost never tried to say things like that it always uncomfortable to admit a [TS]

  good at something but you don't care about the pier self anymore and he used [TS]

  to look really scared when you talk through through a lot of hard work and [TS]

  thinking about you know and and painfully watching published the videos [TS]

  of my talks and thinking about what exactly am doing wrong but a big part of [TS]

  it for me [TS]

  definitely is seen the room first and then kind of imagining what it's gonna [TS]

  be like when it's filled with the people who are there to speak you know to see [TS]

  me and so for example that was why didn't you slide it all last year so all [TS]

  in Dublin last year had a great year this year it was a great great room rate [TS]

  in center city Dublin around room and you could see her be used for multiple [TS]

  purposes but they had a stage and had a big screen for the day today [TS]

  you know the daily presentations but my eye was the closing keynote and i was [TS]

  gonna speak right before dinner and there was like a 90 minute break for a [TS]

  cocktail hour something between the day's sessions and then when I would [TS]

  come on for the Kino and I was gonna speak for the keynote this closing [TS]

  keynote and then when I'm done [TS]

  waiters are coming out with food you know it's the moment you know I dropped [TS]

  the mic and the the organizers of the conference pollen [TS]

  German but guys really good guys I mean everybody speaks their words to say [TS]

  about them they told me I could have whatever one you know if I want the [TS]

  screen I can have the screen but I can kind of see the day didn't why will you [TS]

  guys don't want the screen right though you want it because they want to do in [TS]

  that when when the conference goers are out having cocktails between the day's [TS]

  sessions in the evening keno there were people in the building were going to [TS]

  reconfigure the room from nm AP milling around while you're talking and stuff [TS]

  like that well it did they were gonna you know that they made it you know they [TS]

  redid the room so it looks like a nice dinner it was a nice there you know it [TS]

  wasn't you know day today and that they thought you know I said you think the [TS]

  room look better for dinner if there's no big honkin screen up there and they [TS]

  said yeah more or less and I said ok no screen you know but it totally changed [TS]

  my idea of what the room was gonna be like because if you know anybody who [TS]

  thinks that doesn't make a difference to walk through the room hasn't done this [TS]

  enough is it sometimes really quite surprising cuz you think about one [TS]

  thinks about it from one's own you know whatever you done before so if you've [TS]

  ever done to speak at universities you're used to the idea of walking into [TS]

  an auditorium with a bunch of pics seats where everybody is facing you but I i i [TS]

  how many even for example if I know speaking at a hotel ballroom have a [TS]

  pretty good idea what that's going to look like it's probably gonna be a bunch [TS]

  of roundtables where people would have had said and and circular tables but it [TS]

  can sometimes be really if you find out for example I think I'm gonna go into [TS]

  something like let's say a ballroom but it turns out that I'm in like a breakout [TS]

  room we're gonna be like one big table and well it's actually fifteen people [TS]

  rather than 80 like a bike in my head or whatever [TS]

  walking through that can really should really change the way you think about [TS]

  what you're doing I mean the same way that if you are a silly but if you're [TS]

  serving a meal finding out the number of people who are coming [TS]

  should have a really big impact on what you decide to do because in how much you [TS]

  can count on the room being with you [TS]

  things like will the lights beyond her off will it be after lunch I always ask [TS]

  people to try and put me sometime in the morning it really sucks to come on right [TS]

  after lunch [TS]

  because people are usually pretty sleepy sucks to be if you're not careful about [TS]

  two sexy lesbians remember at Webb stock Miami crying talk was actually quite [TS]

  short by my standards with very important exception of sexual [TS]

  intercourse I've never done anything for less than 90 minutes like everything I [TS]

  do will be ninety minute vocal ninety minutes meeting 90 min at least but in [TS]

  that instance I knew it was the last time I knew the people want to go drink [TS]

  and be done and so unlikely what he had to say could be said that amount of time [TS]

  but all those environmental factors I believe me when I say that all of those [TS]

  things matter like for example we both kind of bombed at Macworld you know what [TS]

  we both found at Macworld that year we spoke together kind of budget think I [TS]

  mean but by by our own standards we did that great at that talk which one was [TS]

  that I spoke of micro few times in cuba I was doing yeah yeah ok but now in my [TS]

  head I was gonna go into a room full of Mac enthusiasts who and what I walked [TS]

  into was the single biggest auditorium I have ever been in my entire life and [TS]

  there were many people there except to say seats were about three to five [TS]

  percent fall in a china auditorium people are spread all over the place on [TS]

  their computers and it's one of the worst receptions I've ever gotten from [TS]

  an audience I wish I was completely unprepared for for how that was going to [TS]

  go and it was no no there was nothing wrong with the audience it was just the [TS]

  wrong audience for the room like the same exact thing if the room had [TS]

  actually only held under 225 people hundred-percent [TS]

  you know it a hundred and twenty-five people in a room that hold two hundred [TS]

  and twenty-five people is a great audience and I've spoken a lot of [TS]

  conferences that are you know roughly that size [TS]

  a hundred and twenty-five people in a room that hold 2,000 people really [TS]

  seriously John I think it would have my 2000 people it was like a sports stadium [TS]

  it was mass will end and you know and this is something I learned from Jesse [TS]

  Thorn is why I really have glanced at this for a long time but Jesse [TS]

  Winchester white box shows for [TS]

  or the podcasting which was when we did have occasional shares with you look [TS]

  nice today and Jordan Jesse girl he did this thing that drove me menace which [TS]

  was he would not booked us anywhere that we could not very easily sell out to [TS]

  capacity and beyond which I thought was very conservative it seems silly to me [TS]

  to go into some fire trapped in the mission with like 40 seats in it but he [TS]

  said something that has really stuck with me he said something along these [TS]

  lines at a comedy show in particular having one seat open the difference [TS]

  between having one seat open and having every seat full and people standing up [TS]

  its all the difference in the world [TS]

  he's kind of right i mean you know if you're in that room 125 people in 420 [TS]

  there's much more sense of community but you know these people are contained and [TS]

  the other thing in the case of them macworld one where where it was maybe a [TS]

  hundred hundred or so people in a room with maybe close to a thousand seats [TS]

  it's also natural for people to spread out you know if you're coming in to see [TS]

  us speak and you see this bar seating you're you're just going to you know [TS]

  somehow I think you're in most people's natural inclination is to find a place [TS]

  roughly equidistant from other people that's a phenomenon known phenomenon [TS]

  elevators turns out it's true you always have equal distance from people when [TS]

  it's possible and then your move accordingly like when you're on a bus [TS]

  same thing I think the right thing to have done in that situation would have [TS]

  been takes just acknowledge it just start by saying [TS]

  instead of pretending which is what I did just pretend that there wasn't this [TS]

  elephant in the room of all these empty seat best thing to do would have been to [TS]

  say look I don't know what's going on here but everybody everybody stand up [TS]

  come to the front right filling the seats and just stand in front of where I [TS]

  am and if there's only a hundred of you fill in the hundred seats closest to [TS]

  this microphone I remember to your point I remember posting a photo of you [TS]

  because there was it was set up for like like a jonestown type thing I mean I'm [TS]

  probably large room which is great i mean that's I don't think I think it's [TS]

  just the room they used for this stuff wasn't like they thought Merlin engine [TS]

  going back to know just that the rumor had it but they also had like like [TS]

  dealing with the guys backstage in and it was a huge stage there's a podium and [TS]

  then there was a ginormous screen remember how the photo of you looking a [TS]

  little bit like Big Brother on this thing I remember putting on Flickr [TS]

  something but that was part of it was it made everything feel small now go back [TS]

  to Jesse Torrens firetrap in the mission and you know if you had that same if [TS]

  you'd been in that room with that number of people who would have thought loooser [TS]

  probably would have all my god to sell out but like everybody here is here [TS]

  because they want to be here and they're not checking their email you know in the [TS]

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  yes I mean that everybody was talking about yesterday I had no idea that he [TS]

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  yeah I mean to say the obvious I mean it's reached a point where adam has [TS]

  become a filter has become both the filter and a platform where some strange [TS]

  to say but you know if he accepts your gig that's almost like a kind of [TS]

  benediction because he has such a following because of his reputation for [TS]

  these things that you're gonna get a lot of attention for your product because [TS]

  Adam did it you know I mean I don't think there's that many traditional [TS]

  advertising firms can say that [TS]

  I almost got to the point where I am suspicious of a new product that doesn't [TS]

  come with one Adams will probably smart I mean you have so many options shown [TS]

  roger i read your iPad review published just before we went on the air which [TS]

  thing I thought was good and really quickly 'cause we had to your program [TS]

  but I feel like it's I don't really need and new iPad [TS]

  my wife and I both have the first generation iPad minis and computers but [TS]

  I would just say I am one of those people sound like you now when I go back [TS]

  to Lake picking up my ipad2 it is holding a truck board it's so heavy its [TS]

  so large it's thundery comment coming because it's bigger but it's not right [TS]

  now I cannot imagine going back from the foreign fact the general form factor of [TS]

  the attack me but the iPad air senate so compelling but you put it in stark terms [TS]

  and your review you base it sounds like you basically said these are it's just [TS]

  really is just a matter of size yeah and I want to I did want to speak to a [TS]

  little bit about that and I wanted to ask you say no you you're always been in [TS]

  the comics but it seems like you've gotten even deeper problematically [TS]

  problematically in the comics do you how do you read mostly lake and go to your [TS]

  neighborhood comic shop and buy buy the paper both and or all it is the thing I [TS]

  I would I i'm richard with an unfortunate work as I spend more time [TS]

  with this I'm realizing I don't need nearly as many hard copies of God I mean [TS]

  I've got boxes and boxes of comics only been at this for years I don't really [TS]

  need all that I'm not a collector in that sense I it's silly for me to have [TS]

  all of these copies of comics I I really loved reading the mine comes just so you [TS]

  know i mean they make errors but in the Marvel world anyway [TS]

  299 by comment for $2.99 at the store which is a bunch of the titles you know [TS]

  you get the hard copy if you buy one of the marquee titles in its 399 [TS]

  you get a free digital copy ecology is that simple it's 299 you don't get a [TS]

  digital copy by the same token if you buy a collection in trade paperback [TS]

  format you get the trade paperback with a lot of them if you buy a hardcover you [TS]

  get a code to get the entire hardcover edition ecology [TS]

  so that's I am increasingly I guess it does anything that's been holding back [TS]

  in part yeah there's the sentimentality of I like how it go I still love going [TS]

  to come store it's just a matter of as many comments every week as i buy right [TS]

  now are still weak but now I am very intrigued and I have to say comics are [TS]

  the reason that I would even think about this I'm so happy with my iPad Mini but [TS]

  it's not right now I've never owned a right now i pad but I i'm looking at a [TS]

  grand for like the if I buy an iPad air I'm gonna want to buy the big one with [TS]

  the wireless LTE or whatever so but I mean what am I looking out for his [TS]

  agenda is generally like just $100 difference at each level but i wanna 64 [TS]

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  5 600 ever it is it's $100 less than the exact same specs and need air you make [TS]

  it sound so much faster it is incredibly faster I do I do I think that there is [TS]

  it's there's a robbery you know you know you know we'd we love Apple so much and [TS]

  Apple can do no wrong [TS]

  their magic company and you know there's there's there's that that level of [TS]

  fandom that people who praised Apple consistently can be accused of you know [TS]

  I don't wanna fall into that but did something about the day 7 chip has me [TS]

  thinking that we're we're missing something profound that they're [TS]

  achieving here where we none of us have ever bought in like iPhones and iPads [TS]

  just because of performance you know it's you know and even max traditionally [TS]

  you know the old days before they switched to the Intel chips they were [TS]

  certainly not right it's it's it's a factor and you know you certainly want [TS]

  it to be fast but it's the overall experience that's that's worthwhile and [TS]

  you know like the iPhone in the last few years has never topped the benchmarks [TS]

  it's it's a balance between performance and battery life and the size and it [TS]

  doesn't get hot your hand in something like that but you look at the benchmarks [TS]

  in you go two sides like a non-tech where they test all these things and [TS]

  they 7 devices the new iPhone 5s and both of the new iPads are faster than [TS]

  all of the other devices and they're still and it's not like all now that [TS]

  they're faster now benchmarks are the reason to buy Apple products it's still [TS]

  the overall experience that matters but there's something really profound about [TS]

  the fact that Apple is both still achieving the sort of balance between [TS]

  power and energy consumption and they always have to get long battery life so [TS]

  funny because but the other guys can't match him on just on pure performance [TS]

  you know that the two things that are new yeah that is new to the thing that's [TS]

  new is at least in my mind [TS]

  Apple were the ones that were always famous for asinine battery estimates [TS]

  when Stephen get up there and say that something was gonna last year the last [TS]

  four five six hours or whatever I mean they're just asterisks in the world for [TS]

  what you would have to do to get that perform yes [TS]

  whereas si eu un and put the Avengers on [TS]

  at full screen brightness and lost 33 and 34 percent believe you said power i [TS]

  mean that's a new world it's that must be said I mean he's our mobile devices [TS]

  and you don't want to just put that thing on and find out that it's it's [TS]

  been growing on some background process that brings you down 30 points and now [TS]

  your backpack is hot and you don't know why I think part of that I think you're [TS]

  right to even mentioned Steve Jobs by name and part of it is you know it's [TS]

  that reality reality distortion field that he had around him in part of it you [TS]

  know he had himself in it and I think that he always was dissatisfied by [TS]

  laptop battery life you know that this it's used to be I always found that you [TS]

  can get in the old days and are no good two hours out of two to three hours when [TS]

  I had my wall street or no I never remember which I had but let's just say [TS]

  let's say and let's say when they were called powerful [TS]

  I'll tell you this I had to had to dig holes in it that could be used for [TS]

  optical drives or batteries and I had two batteries I would I would take out [TS]

  the drive in putting both batteries when I travel because he needed them if you [TS]

  wanted to do anything I remember buying rushmore and like if I want to watch [TS]

  Rushmore on the plane I to take out one of the battery's putting the optical [TS]

  drive and be ready to pause part way through to change the battery yeah I [TS]

  remember yeah I remember a lot of my time then I fly as always been [TS]

  coast-to-coast you know going out to california conferences and stuff and I [TS]

  remember used to be that you you know there is no work no where no way that [TS]

  you can go the whole flight on a PowerBook you know you have plenty of [TS]

  time if you had some work to do and you wanted to you know the wifi but if I was [TS]

  like writing the slide decker or like you said to just using it to watch a [TS]

  movie you're gonna get one movie out of that and maybe a long time I also [TS]

  remember purposefully picking out movies that were under two hours because if you [TS]

  picked when it was over two hours you risked you know [TS]

  running out of time not because the flight wasn't long enough though because [TS]

  the battery lasts and yet like you said they were sold you know they would say [TS]

  four hours of battery life and it was you know turn the brightness turned the [TS]

  screen off wifi turn on Bluetooth do not play any video it's funny how do I cast [TS]

  know exactly know you don't move them don't do the math makes that hard drives [TS]

  been up right and yet on the other side I feel like it's come all the way around [TS]

  where they the whole concept of the iPad and I i've I can prove it but I mean [TS]

  people at Apple that yet this restored of baseline is there there's always been [TS]

  a floor of 10 hours of real-world use battery life than that starts with the [TS]

  first iPad from 2010 that that was a real 10 hours of battery life had to [TS]

  have and everyone census also had that many in the retina ones I mean that's [TS]

  why the red ones got thicker and heavier you know from the iPad 2 was that no [TS]

  matter what we're not gonna we're not gonna go below 10 hours of battery life [TS]

  I think you get I think you can easily get more than 10 hours of battery life I [TS]

  mean I dont its almost hard to measure it as a reviewer like trying to give [TS]

  people I don't even know how to make things run down those benchmarks are [TS]

  good at seeing how well it did at the benchmark but you know I think anybody [TS]

  can tell you that that's your experiences circuses talked about this I [TS]

  think on the episode with you you just talked about this with you know his [TS]

  merit review of how hard it is to like replicate things exactly over and over [TS]

  especially for doing something with battery started to run all the way down [TS]

  and back up and how difficult all that can be I mean I'll just come straight to [TS]

  my for me is you know in an hour inside baseball discussions over the years we [TS]

  talked a lot about things like you turn me into the movie juice pack and when I [TS]

  have my 3G I'm gonna say 3G s probably cutting things [TS]

  I want to see the 3G S which is a swell phone I mean I really needed that thing [TS]

  and I used it until it died I i use it until the USB port stopped working and [TS]

  and the thing is from the 40 S I ended up buying a new one with a different [TS]

  form factor which is not nearly as good [TS]

  you know the cap stays on and it's it's real crummy compared to the old one I [TS]

  would like to circle back to my trashy 5s having said that the 5s I have no [TS]

  problem less than all day long with the 5s no crashes on my god I get a lot of [TS]

  really unexplainable behavior this yeah you don't know but yes well you mean [TS]

  like I get I get things where I will do something [TS]

  see anyone say that I do something cuz it's hard to know what causes something [TS]

  to happen but it could be I feel like I've gotten lot doing stuff with in [TS]

  stochastic is actually in pretty sore knee then updated this point but [TS]

  obviously it feels pretty trivial [TS]

  it'll be they'll be doing some change and I'll just go out and white apple I [TS]

  just get that that's the thing I get a couple times a week to see eye-to-eye a [TS]

  couple of times a week I would complain about I've seen it a handful of times [TS]

  did that very much at all with the for us over and it's a weird thing where it [TS]

  doesn't seem to be a full reboot either half crashes people are talking about [TS]

  yeah I've gotten ones where it seems to just boy are you ready for this key [TS]

  ready for me to reveal how dumb I am [TS]

  it doesn't feel like it's something very low in the stack the crash if you like [TS]

  maybe the interface crashed but it didn't go all the way down I think that [TS]

  that's probably the springboard ok it's like when you click Clear something like [TS]

  that I don't know you know it used to be that springboard which is the name that [TS]

  nobody really needs to know what you have to be really good [TS]

  but it was the app that runs the home screen but all the apps whenever you'd [TS]

  launch an app were always a child process of springboard and then Mac OS [TS]

  10 terms of the crash now is like the Windows Server ok gosh if you're going [TS]

  to activity my me anything open if you go into activity monitor and find [TS]

  Windows Server and then force quit everything goes away but I could be [TS]

  wrong about this guy english is probably did you can email me as soon as he hears [TS]

  the show and explain to me how I i this is purely I'm giving this to purely [TS]

  anecdotal but you know there is there is some process that could crash and it [TS]

  wouldn't bring the it's like you said it's not the whole stack be something [TS]

  and iOS 7 who knows where it is I have every confidence that you see it a [TS]

  couple times a week [TS]

  well i i don't keep track of it but there are a lot of times where I'll do [TS]

  something that seems pretty trivial but I'm not talking about like trying to do [TS]

  something you know computational as far as I know it usually is making some [TS]

  change in states like I bring it up and I'm gonna do something again with like [TS]

  no forwarding or something like that or I anyway but but but i i agree with you [TS]

  about the battery thing and it's i dont know it's funny how fast things change [TS]

  it is really funny how fast we've gone from my flash has 2 p.m. and everything [TS]

  to know like I i mean i just i can imagine what I I just have to say that [TS]

  late for a normal person walking around I think it makes a huge difference [TS]

  tonight have to recharge at four in the afternoon [TS]

  yeah I think so too the only time I ever even come close with my iPhone 5s is if [TS]

  I'm out of the house like somewhere and I'm using it a lot of you on the phone a [TS]

  lot and on LTE and then it can you can still I can still run it down in a day [TS]

  and also I mean it's I take a lot of precautions when I when I change my [TS]

  environment I take a lot of precautions like you know the security for a silly [TS]

  but I think it's worth I think people treat this tough way to lately [TS]

  me it's what I learned like I haven't talked about a lot I can talk about it [TS]

  now I learned a long time ago that you don't have a passcode on your phone and [TS]

  a long time ago i didnt and I believe in you know what it might have been raising [TS]

  you about your password that I think you in san Diego's to raise you [TS]

  guys about those I can't believe I found out now that the touch idea exist I'm [TS]

  finding out how many people have never ever had a passcode on the phone I think [TS]

  I think so much of a contest where I was she do something on and once and I like [TS]

  I might my head was spinning at how easily you put in your password as I sit [TS]

  down and let me install that sit down and concentrate with mine but but anyway [TS]

  now that can be said a lot of people are admitting that they've never had that [TS]

  and I just I don't understand people who do that I may have gone the first year [TS]

  or so without a pass along I didn't know what to do and I never had a really no i [TS]

  didnt have a Palm I had not a phone now I had a Palm Pilot [TS]

  backward in like the eighteen forties had so many palm pilots I had a 45 I [TS]

  loved him that that VIX the Palm Pre x-man the thing was amazing I have used [TS]

  to pass code as long as I can remember and I never end and not because I got [TS]

  burned but because I did you know I mean it's you know a Steve Jobs apparently [TS]

  didn't use one that's the story the back story I read this was on Quora but it [TS]

  seems you know so who knows take it with a grain of salt somebody could have just [TS]

  been some guy making shit up but was somebody who said that they used to work [TS]

  at Apple and [TS]

  you know that this is like how to touch a deacon to be the gist of it is it [TS]

  definitely goes back to Steve Jobs where he wanted a really cool unlocking for [TS]

  the phone you had to have it locks and you can see it you can see it in the [TS]

  Keno he's so every phone every phone ever smarter otherwise has had the same [TS]

  way [TS]

  have some way to keep from accidentally turning on your pocket pocket because [TS]

  this is the first time anything like this that wasn't you know a physical [TS]

  switch or something like that he was even tell he was so proud of that I can [TS]

  imagine him then not winning a second thing that he had to do he was he was [TS]

  you know it's one of those things whereas the hindsight goes and you know [TS]

  the time passes and seized since he's dead and you know we look at him with a [TS]

  little bit more detachment you know and and it's not quite as raw just thinking [TS]

  about the guys you know that you know as we fade into the acceptance stage of the [TS]

  fact that the guys dead certain things stand out to me watching his key nodes [TS]

  and one of them and I've always thought this but as time goes on it even more [TS]

  obvious it's so easy to see what he really cared about everybody's talked [TS]

  about this and I see it too I said to have gone back I watched the iPad wanna [TS]

  watch the iPhone line and you can just see him spend more time than is really [TS]

  necessary like making things bring up and down or nicole is not like that and [TS]

  the onion is genuinely excited that this thing the unlocking on the iPhone is [TS]

  absolutely one of those things like the slide to unlock something that he spent [TS]

  way more time on these been like as much time on that as he did on like email and [TS]

  using it as a phone and adding a passcode ruined that you know i mean you [TS]

  know typing the four digit number you know that didn't even get demo doing it [TS]

  was there from the original thing but he didn't demo it and apparently he didn't [TS]

  use it because he didn't want you know he actually cared about that experience [TS]

  but there's a guy whose actual iPhone you know talk about a disaster if [TS]

  somebody had [TS]

  lost it or somebody stole it or something like that i mean you know but [TS]

  also the i mean this is gonna sound so obvious but let's look at the Fairfax [TS]

  when he came out with an iPhone this is the first one of these things that a lot [TS]

  of people would have there been in 2007 there were not that many people that [TS]

  were doing email on their phone there were believe it or not crazy audience [TS]

  there are not that many people who were looking at the world wide web on their [TS]

  phone I'm stating the obvious there were no applications for the iPhone at the [TS]

  time there was not that much stuff to steal your iPhone there's not that much [TS]

  stuff where you are already logged into something you can get all this data it's [TS]

  it's a it's today it's in the last two years when you look at the number of [TS]

  people i mean even people use Facebook or whatever and you're like in all that [TS]

  stuff all the time this your apps and less using something like I use [TS]

  GoodReader Dropbox these Apple Pro can't can and in my case do prompt me for a [TS]

  password before gives me access to that stuff but you're not into everything all [TS]

  the time [TS]

  much more so than on your Mac it's all just laid bare so I can understand why [TS]

  at the time that wasn't a big deal and that would be seen as just like a kind [TS]

  of feature for nerds probably yeah let me ask you this he I i'm saying that [TS]

  from what I understand those he you know to never have gone on and that the idea [TS]

  was you know the problem that he commissioned and who knows maybe a [TS]

  perfect example of you know where he's going to be missed it Apple is that his [TS]

  dictate was ok figure out a way to make this secure but make it as cool as slide [TS]

  to unlock and that's that's what it is which is it fair to say supply [TS]

  constraint we think that's kind of a kind of there's nothing like the [TS]

  bottleneck is the availability right why is it not on the new iPad or why am I [TS]

  still taking so long to get you know michael says he was at the Apple Store [TS]

  today and there's people lined up waiting for 5 S's [TS]

  I don't know if that alone is it but could see well it could be because it [TS]

  must not be a seven system on a chip because the iPad 2 you know and they're [TS]

  they're making those in the iPhone is still constrained I don't know I think [TS]

  yeah and and I've been told that it was hard enough to get it into one device [TS]

  this year and and not just think in terms of the parts but in the [TS]

  engineering to get it integrated quicker to me I mean I contradictory I don't [TS]

  find it nearly as fast as you do I don't think it or or as dependable as I would [TS]

  like I'm [TS]

  I certainly I use it it's my primary way a lot of the time but it really feels [TS]

  like about 20 percent of the time it even under what seems like pretty normal [TS]

  conditions it doesn't get it I don't know why do you think it was good enough [TS]

  to ship yeah mostly yeah I mean if you look at the if you take the engineering [TS]

  diagram for our sake of all the people who I S device take a program multiple [TS]

  subset subset that even though you can say that have passed and then the subset [TS]

  inside of that I think it's definitely enough that especially with the [TS]

  introduction of the iCloud sync is now they really are giving you enough rope [TS]

  to hang yourself up till now they have not really made it that simple for you [TS]

  like autofill was not on by default was it in the past it isn't like the it [TS]

  isn't like they've you know I think they've been somewhat circumspect about [TS]

  you know giving you that amount of rope to hang yourself but now they're really [TS]

  saying hey we want you to use this iCloud keychain and so I think now you [TS]

  do you have you have to put a coat on it now right if you use that no and I [TS]

  actually got that wrong I was [TS]

  they make it seem like you do but there is a way that if you actually read every [TS]

  word on this screen that you can turn on iCloud keychain sinking and not have a [TS]

  passcode you have to [TS]

  really pay attention to the small print as you can figure it and if you just go [TS]

  if you threw that first run setup and then subsequently if you go into [TS]

  settings I think if you turn off the pass code but still have iCloud [TS]

  keychains gives you like a pretty dire warning like are you sure this means [TS]

  anybody who picks up your phone is gonna have access to your keychain but they'll [TS]

  let you do it [TS]

  wow did your phone nearby ok for a second time you can answer this sucks [TS]

  Settings General touch I D and pass code then enter your code to you under [TS]

  require passcode do you have any choice except immediately on yours [TS]

  234 ok what and when you click art has slowed immediately give you choices ok [TS]

  this is part of the frustration is forever having to touch idea now because [TS]

  it's constantly making me log back in it seems like you know what you know me [TS]

  I'ma little think it seems like I stay logged in longer if I've done the [TS]

  numerical but pretty much feel like everytime I turn it off if you touch it [TS]

  touch I D I guess this would indicate that that's the case I feel like you've [TS]

  just done a magic trick on me though I feel like that used to be the first you [TS]

  know I feel like I had it I used to have an option there if I i'm i'm not as you [TS]

  know I am NOT a technologist but it strikes me that if there's a bit there [TS]

  if there's a preference should be something besides the single one thats [TS]

  checked can you turn off immediate simple basket hid em clicking [TS]

  ok maybe it's something that's a constraint of what I've got my I have a [TS]

  lock on two minutes but I recently changed to five minutes [TS]

  good luck on my iPad I can change it to but that doesn't have such I D so if if [TS]

  you have touched a D you have to lock immediately they did it wasn't like I [TS]

  think they've changed that in in in the system I'm sure one of your listeners [TS]

  will tell you but somebody explain this to its ironic that is that actually does [TS]

  make it feel a little crazier now because it used to be counseled people [TS]

  in the past philadelphia thomas like first of all he struck me crazy I would [TS]

  come visit my sister and she has an iPad she's in the kitchen for recipes and I [TS]

  don't do this I think she has it set to not auto phrase it doesn't turn off like [TS]

  we're having dinner and I come back twenty minutes later it still on and [TS]

  hundred-percent brightness and I don't know this I get a Syracuse like can you [TS]

  do this to me is better for you if you turn it down like 20 percent is still [TS]

  gonna be like your watch sandy uses phone is entire faces illuminated the [TS]

  brightness all the way up to help her with that and so I would I would always [TS]

  say to people is well how about this like why don't you have your i mean [TS]

  several things several factors in play here why don't you at least set your [TS]

  house look past could then send it to the highest setting so at the very least [TS]

  you know any more hours if you is that what it is you're kidding but I i would [TS]

  i would not do that long but I mean that way if you have left in a restaurant or [TS]

  something at least you've got a chance I do that with my iPad and then when I [TS]

  leave if I try to think about it travel on an airplane then I changed the iPad [TS]

  25 minute change everything to immediately if I if I know that I'm [TS]

  going somewhere and see the show off and I don't leave my block but I i changes [TS]

  everything to me because I mean to me it's worth it it's it's weird I mean [TS]

  idea from a few shows ago who was on with I still want this I want it so that [TS]

  home on the network first time I verified the passcode then it'll stay [TS]

  unlocked until I leave the house with the device I I think it is here that I [TS]

  totally agree but I'm reminder of WordPress and I've I think I still have [TS]

  your files WordPress still how he said she's driving me bananas it even when it [TS]

  got really good and they did that beautiful redesign years ago really [TS]

  clean everything up as the auto update the plugins and actually I ask Matt [TS]

  about this one time at a conference and I didn't you know get a satisfactory [TS]

  answer my feeling is litigation religiousness responsibility rate like [TS]

  if you had something even like Criner anarchism lunch D running that would [TS]

  like you know people to the top people do this with their Linux installs there [TS]

  there are certain kinds of things that you can automate like today we can [TS]

  automate app updates I wonder fact that updates would be automated if everything [TS]

  were in sandboxed right in this instance as signs of field but I wonder if they [TS]

  don't want to give you that much rope you know anywhere like you know it seems [TS]

  like something that would be extremely easy to deal if I'm on a known wi-fi [TS]

  network right one of the ones rides you know I've said to auto login or whatever [TS]

  if I'm on any of these wi-fi networks at the very least or if I'm at the [TS]

  proximity near home or near work that you understand with this phone what some [TS]

  luckily he logged in [TS]

  yeah that doesn't seem that difficult what why do you think you can get this [TS]

  thing up and down all day long I honestly don't know I and I thought [TS]

  maybe when I spoke about it on the show that maybe somebody who'd listen and and [TS]

  who knew what the hole in the argument that I'm missing that's what I feel I [TS]

  just feel like there must be something up some use case I'm overlooking that [TS]

  that would that would make that a bad idea and I figured somebody would [TS]

  pointed out to me but nobody did so I don't know well you know think about how [TS]

  reminders work with leaving and arriving there's it seems like and with that [TS]

  background updates [TS]

  you know that's energy consumption by making you have the location awareness [TS]

  on I don't know well I mean it's no different than if you were like [TS]

  searching for a wi-fi network except in this case here if you look it was [TS]

  looking for I like to assume I know he doesn't like to assume that John [TS]

  Siracusa here's everything I say it's what keeps you from saying even stupider [TS]

  stuff you know at the event that we're looking for here is I have not been [TS]

  connected to a known wi-fi network for any minutes [TS]

  yeah and at that point so you know at that point when you're off there even if [TS]

  you say like five minutes so you live for things like the internet going down [TS]

  but even still I forget it let's say you have to be connected but leave me logged [TS]

  and I think that seems very sensible to me I won't take a break I want to thank [TS]

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  not hardware that you control software that you install its just a service and [TS]

  their filters the filters that they use are updated constantly so like when the [TS]

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  they're on top of it it's it's a service that written by email nerds for [TS]

  they have an API if you want to you know connect to their stuff and configure [TS]

  account you want to write scripts that do stuff like that for adding users [TS]

  controlling users have a great knowledge base where they explained everything if [TS]

  you're a nerd for email you really gotta check out around because there'd it's [TS]

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  and you won't have to pay once you see how great words my thanks to the great [TS]

  service to people in the mail around especially in the air I still say [TS]

  there's a first time for a couple weeks ago maltz was on the show and we were [TS]

  talking on Nov somehow got talking about making our own liquor and present I said [TS]

  I and i said im a break in a conversation and I said and speaking of [TS]

  prison let me tell you about Melrose and just went from there and then at the end [TS]

  of the show I really did I just thought I don't know about that I find that [TS]

  funny but you know it just you know there's a lot of dough to sponsor the [TS]

  show I don't know and then I got but I didn't I left it and I don't give in to [TS]

  you never know you you really never know what if this is the case but what if [TS]

  like their CMO leg had both like a record and was a recovering alcoholic I [TS]

  was there also little bit of a paranoiac like that might really not come across [TS]

  well but I gotta did I got an email from them [TS]

  them and they loved it and that they wanted me to think of other funny things [TS]

  like that to say to introduce them to keep her to take a prisoner joke like [TS]

  that you know it all at once we're talking about scheduling for scheduling [TS]

  couple that's a long line you know what I this is the thing I linked to it today [TS]

  on during for about this is on Friday the 15th I don't know when the shows [TS]

  that it's 30 by 30 that's a little sub brand of ESPN short 12 minute short film [TS]

  about a husband and wife duo stevensons who for 20 they don't do it anymore [TS]

  apparently lost the game but for 25 years they're the ones who made the [TS]

  entire major league baseball schedule which is it there's 30 teams each team [TS]

  plays 262 games but I think it's 2400 total games a year and it's one of those [TS]

  things were in the back of my mind I've always known it must be a complicated [TS]

  problem because there's things like maybe especially in the era when they [TS]

  when they were setting the schedule there are a lot of teams that shared a [TS]

  stadium with the football team and so once football season starts in september [TS]

  you know the Phillies can play on Sunday September 7th because the Eagles are [TS]

  playing and I don't know can they play on Monday even because maybe it takes [TS]

  more than a day to turn field back to a baseball field and the pope is coming to [TS]

  Los Angeles and that's having one that was the best line in the video [TS]

  know who wins the Dodgers Dodgers in the pope both on Dodger Stadium on the same [TS]

  day hope the pope one what you always know there's somebody has to solve this [TS]

  problem and then there was this great little short film about here's the [TS]

  people who did give them the [TS]

  the punch line is that even though they were computer people from back in the [TS]

  day it do a paper yeah they scheduled the entire thing with paper and in just [TS]

  because it gives me such my heart skips a beat when I think about any one of [TS]

  these factors think about think about the about travel think about as you saw [TS]

  its a switching over between it being football baseball thing about having two [TS]

  teams that can play on the same night think about holidays they were thrown [TS]

  out I think about like cal ripken be at home for the when he plays his [TS]

  record-breaking mangueira you know right [TS]

  holidays that just the travel part alone is bananas enough but to do all of that [TS]

  and watched what are they really just did this with some paper and pen and [TS]

  some columns and rows was just staggering and the result and had the [TS]

  you know they kept all that which is a great reason makes me feel good about [TS]

  all the packrat stuff I've got it if you didn't know what it was I don't take I [TS]

  think it might take you a very long time to have someone just plopped their paper [TS]

  in front of you what what is this I would be like I don't know it looks like [TS]

  typical ago [TS]

  compulsive cyclic maybe this is BM's maybe it's the start they were stars [TS]

  that I could count or something it looks really crazy glasses of water you drunk [TS]

  in a day but also the thing that makes it wonderful this this couple is so [TS]

  charming there's third they're obviously really loved each other been together [TS]

  forever grateful to other kid wearing a Star Trek sure but but when they were [TS]

  talking I was reminded of the scenes in when Harry Met Sally when they cut away [TS]

  and show an old couple talking about their relationship and they finished but [TS]

  they're two very different people which part first thing they grabbed me was [TS]

  like she's kind of the brains and he's the heart but she's the one who has this [TS]

  computational abilities she's the puzzle solver [TS]

  and he's the architect and the guy in the baseball fan who goes like well no [TS]

  you wouldn't look at it this way because of these reasons which sometimes a [TS]

  little inscrutable her [TS]

  made them great was it wasn't a simple a bonehead could write a really stupid [TS]

  computer program for doing this but it's all of those exceptions that make it [TS]

  difficult and the exceptions are numerous you know I started thinking [TS]

  about how you would write a program like this industry almost nothing but [TS]

  exceptions the basic parts and no brainer anybody could do that but it's [TS]

  it is the stuff like the amount of travel in the stadium sharing like in [TS]

  the letters they get at the beginning of the season to begin the scheduling from [TS]

  places that are like what we want to be out of town and during this event rate [TS]

  right when they were never like you know when this religious convention comes to [TS]

  town we want to be gone it's fascinating right and they had you know and and [TS]

  somebody would say they are one example was that one team said hey we haven't [TS]

  had a homestand on july fourth in five years you know we want to sell extra [TS]

  tickets to have a fireworks show you know and and and the woman new instances [TS]

  I wrong two years ago ended July 5th homestand [TS]

  homes but they would just say stuff like that like the clubs have been you know [TS]

  yeah I mean a lot of a Grand I guess is the whole purpose of their relationship [TS]

  but also just thinking about on the face of it that should be in my wheelhouse [TS]

  because it's about scheduling in paper but also it's about dealing with people [TS]

  and relationships and the fact that she said something interesting that her [TS]

  husband said something along the lines of you know it you couldn't nobody could [TS]

  go into a meeting with the people and think and talk at the same time so one [TS]

  of us thinks and the other one talks and that incidents yet she because she is [TS]

  the moment the head for figures she's the one who could immediately for pull [TS]

  up the data and holding her hand showed that you had a July 4th two years ago [TS]

  but the heat was I got the sense that he was the one who had more of the passion [TS]

  for the game and so he was able to introduce more thinking that would [TS]

  probably be agreeable to people interested how baseball people think I [TS]

  think so more or less yeah but a fascinating story ended me it's one of [TS]

  those things where it's like that who else has a job like that i mean almost [TS]

  nobody in the world right I mean like the NBA basketball schedule is a little [TS]

  similar they play 82 games a year in the NFL schedule football schedule is easy [TS]

  by comparison it's only on Sundays and there's only 16 regular-season games a [TS]

  year now I'm not saying now somewhere out there there's the guy who does the [TS]

  NFL season and you know I'm sure you can even compare in India including things [TS]

  like interleague play like think about oh by the way interleague play like [TS]

  that's incredible to think about like the complexity at least in my mind that [TS]

  I'm naive much closer to him than her in terms of the way I think about the world [TS]

  but that the number of [TS]

  started to get value the program here not me but like what I've done a little [TS]

  bit of program in the past I mean I would just think about how you approach [TS]

  a problem like that computationally and assemblies paper does seem better suited [TS]

  to it because it's all about asking this right question has been forever [TS]

  writing the program for this and if it doesn't take into account what's really [TS]

  important about all of this stuff then it's just gonna become a whole slew of [TS]

  exceptions it seems like yeah totally I think that it's you know it's it's just [TS]

  interesting cuz its to me it you've always almost there but there's that's [TS]

  tough job making it back but but you know there's going to be [TS]

  tough job making it back but but you know there's going to be [TS]

  be one there's going to be a baseball schedule every year so it's easy enough [TS]

  to think whilst somehow it gets taken care of ya I don't get the sense of who [TS]

  they were I guess they work for major league baseball right input from these [TS]

  other people so it's a part of it also has a project management type III like [TS]

  thinking about like well who did they have to say yes or no to who they have [TS]

  to like ultimately please and what kind of stuff could they can certainly able [TS]

  to come up with the craziest things in the world like oh you know we have to [TS]

  back the second night of this three-night stand you know we're having [TS]

  a baseball bat giveaway night and so we have to make sure that during rainy [TS]

  season I mean I'm sure if everybody had their druthers they'd be asking all [TS]

  kinds of crazy stuff yeah I wonder what other kind of jobs are out there that I [TS]

  like that one off nobody else does anything like it sort of gig I am [TS]

  fascinated by job like that though they were not mentioning is worth mentioning [TS]

  is that yes they did the starting line 82 or some like this is going to do it [TS]

  again with paper but also it was it really was just the two of them working [TS]

  from their home [TS]

  yeah you getting this like you're talking about the scheduling of all of [TS]

  how many games 2400 and some every how they say how many million people see a [TS]

  baseball game you know some ridiculous number million Nicholas right about the [TS]

  revenue that's involved in huge amounts of money it's it's in it there are due [TS]

  its I'm always interested to run into people who do something like that but [TS]

  the to meet people who have established themselves in some kind of industry [TS]

  where maybe probably against all fade like they've ended up being the go-to [TS]

  person for that kind of thing I'm fascinated by jobs like that is another [TS]

  great part of that thing where they said that the guy said that the one year in a [TS]

  baseball starts at beginning of [TS]

  April and I guess there was a good biggies east coast blizzard and I don't [TS]

  know Baltimore Philly New York Boston all got hit by snow can play baseball in [TS]

  the snow and all these teams were at home to open the season [TS]

  New York and Philly and Baltimore and and he said like anybody who's the idiot [TS]

  and put all these teams at home you know when we could you can get so now and [TS]

  then that same year it was like all these great pennant races were the teams [TS]

  that were in contention roth just happened to be playing each other at the [TS]

  in the last games of the season and it was like who's the genius who put this [TS]

  together this is brilliant when they would had no idea about the factors yeah [TS]

  yeah it makes me feel too guilty though about how hard it is for me to get [TS]

  anything scheduled but I think it's like watching a documentary about you know [TS]

  you gotta put on 1978 fall NBC schedule together and they like how the cards up [TS]

  on the wall and stuff like that just like the ultimate tile game amy has said [TS]

  I just think Jones goes to the dentist like every six months and she said that [TS]

  it feels as though our entire life revolves around taking Jonas to the [TS]

  dentist and it's just once every six months and it's just 30 minutes you know [TS]

  get your teeth cleaned and checked for cavities but somehow doing that twice a [TS]

  year [TS]

  feels like an incredible you know when I don't know its schools out till three [TS]

  o'clock I don't know I feel that we have all kinds of stuff now as they get older [TS]

  and time goes a lot faster I feel like I'm I've always liked [TS]

  I think I've always just paid the cable bill I've always just paid the electric [TS]

  to PG&E bill and pulling you can have gotten another one of these so fast but [TS]

  I think that's part of the tennis thing is it not only feels like I can't [TS]

  believe it's it's it is a combination of I can't believe it's already time again [TS]

  because be it really feels like I just did this and it's getting closer and [TS]

  closer together i mean it but of course then you get stuff like that we just we [TS]

  just it's like PBS or magazines were like god forbid [TS]

  you go and give some apts cause you're gonna be re-upping constantly for the [TS]

  rest of your life you know what we just joined the exploratorium museum here in [TS]

  town in like we're already getting like notices for Lake don't want to expire [TS]

  you get those my wife on the liberal sucker list she's getting busted pallets [TS]

  and you know building bridges in vietnam like she's she's getting all the time [TS]

  Please Touch Museum here in Philadelphia think we've been fortunate yeah don't [TS]

  seem people chunk oh yeah yeah you know it's a good sentiment I'm not quite sure [TS]

  what would better name would be in the ideas that it is not you know it take [TS]

  your kids and they're gonna be able to touch that they're not going to be you [TS]

  know looking cool things and don't touch the council and is is more imp parlance [TS]

  but [TS]

  Please Please Touch as a nice Scout leader feeling I think it's I think I [TS]

  think that it's probably one of the things I i dont know when the Please [TS]

  Touch Museum was founded but I'm guessing it's a bit quite a while ago at [TS]

  a time when I was so it goes way back ok that makes I think maybe we weren't is [TS]

  cognizant of that connotation of little children much they like you they [TS]

  probably would have come up with a new name is exploring said his welcoming lap [TS]

  little boy my whole idea of Philadelphia's just upside down always [TS]

  need as recruited City definitely Its a really is it really that bad is it any [TS]

  worse in the big city [TS]

  honestly don't know I guess the other way they look all big cities or exceed [TS]

  its not like that said Canada right but now here's a story just came out on the [TS]

  news this week here at local news and you know [TS]

  I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time just caught my eye was a city [TS]

  city council meeting right in the heart of Center City Philadelphia right now [TS]

  right in the middle [TS]

  couldn't be better real estate there's a there was a fire is a long story and [TS]

  this place right next to City Hall back in like nineteen ninety or ninety one it [TS]

  was called one Meridian Plaza huge skyscraper big one terrible fire gutted [TS]

  the building I mean I got dat shirts a great Wikipedia entry was a fire that [TS]

  ruined a massive skyscraper and then like the you know well you think well [TS]

  your insurance will take care of that [TS]

  well guess what insurance companies don't like to replace entire massive [TS]

  skyscrapers and so for all of my college years when I was at Drexel here in [TS]

  Philly that building that burned out husks of a skyscraper remained a [TS]

  burned-out husk of a skyscraper just sitting there on prime real estate [TS]

  because you know legal hassles over whether the insurance really covered I [TS]

  can't redo it can tear it down it's just the right there and it took forever and [TS]

  it's you know and it's one of those things where I feel like maybe you know [TS]

  in New York stuff just happens somebody would just not the damn thing down to [TS]

  rebuild their anyway it's eventually got taking care of part of that plot is now [TS]

  big high-rise condominiums part of the ritz-carlton hotels I don't know if you [TS]

  can find a live at the ritz-carlton residences yeah and the other part of it [TS]

  is a parking lot I mean not like a parking garage it's just a parking lot [TS]

  you know and it's one of those things like it new york there are no in [TS]

  Manhattan there are no parking lots that take up real estate like that it's you [TS]

  know [TS]

  and so there's a proposal to build a dike the Philadelphia W W Hotel in [TS]

  philadelphia and it's you know if there were to be such a thing as aw in [TS]

  philadelphia it's exactly where it should be [TS]

  you don't have to know fill it at 15th and chestnut and if you don't know [TS]

  philadelphia just imagine you know where swanky W Hotel should go in a city in a [TS]

  trench ago you would think well that's a no-brainer lets you know how could it [TS]

  not be better for the city to have a nice hotel there than a parking lot so [TS]

  anyway long story short guess who's opposed to the building of this hotel is [TS]

  in another hotel chain a bunch of other hotels and it and keep the unique [TS]

  history and character of the neighborhood right and it's because [TS]

  there's some kind of tax abatement thing and you know that this is not the right [TS]

  time for the city to give a tax break to a new hotel except that every other [TS]

  hotel whose representatives spoke out about it got the exact same sort of tax [TS]

  abatement when they built their hotels or turned whatever building you there [TS]

  hotel used to be into a hotel we all got the same deal everybody gets it and it [TS]

  just seems crazy to me that it was in this did this is the thing is it was [TS]

  like for our city council meeting you know and it was contentious yelling and [TS]

  stuff like that and I just thought like I can't believe that took four hours for [TS]

  you to listen to other hotel people complain about a new hotel yeah I [TS]

  couldn't i couldn't I could have nothing to do with that sort of I just couldn't [TS]

  have produced and to do that [TS]

  I couldn't it would be difficult I would I would have to jump up and scream i [TS]

  feel like im taking crazy pills that I couldn't be I couldn't run part of the [TS]

  same epoxy I'm glad that I have a job that does not require going in front of [TS]

  City Council and literally have a job there are so many things about [TS]

  situations like that you know think about the presentations John can you [TS]

  imagine the presentations that you have to look at when you have a child [TS]

  people just calling this a go by the way we're having a meeting I went ahead and [TS]

  put it on your exchange calendar for you so we're gonna come there should be some [TS]

  presentations where they can be about you find out when you get there could [TS]

  you imagine if somebody else could put stuff on your counter can you imagine if [TS]

  somebody else could just put stuff on your calendar [TS]

  imagine waking up I mean like 11 you get up at 11 you look at your calendar and [TS]

  their stuff on there that you didn't put on there it's really feel haunted to me [TS]

  it would it would be like finding poop in my sort of who's been in here what [TS]

  was happening when it was happening I don't do this anyway it's good movie [TS]

  really good movie if anything he would tell me about how do I speak in a good [TS]

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  Gladwell things to blink turns out to be the new Malcolm Gladwell book did not [TS]

  big fans huge old brother let's save that for the next one [TS]

  no I haven't I haven't I i have been from a certain remove I've been reading [TS]

  enjoying a been reading he becomes of other people who are starting to realize [TS]

  that he's a little is a very gifted writer you know john is a very very [TS]

  gifted writer good storyteller good writer sure he don't use that the [TS]

  problem could had 20 you can look at that guy Canada again Canada is a [TS]

  Canadian I didn't know that oh yeah he could look like that down here he can me [TS]

  apart Lisa consulting speaking terms our member in summary he is he is a member [TS]

  Greg anybody you go out speaking at speaking hard so you get paper he gets [TS]

  paid a lot to speak he's like look up there with bill clinton in terms now [TS]

  he's like his case here [TS]

  speaker [TS]

  yeah it's it's a lot to get into but he's a he's a very good storyteller gets [TS]

  its see he can be a bit of a frustrating character but but he's he sure is a good [TS]

  writer I think that I i dont feel strongly either way about him I like I [TS]

  don't go out of my way to buy these books I've read at least one of them [TS]

  which one I do think that there's something to the to the charge that he's [TS]

  he's he's perhaps falling into doing Martin Malcolm Gladwell I'll say that [TS]

  earlier you know no idea but earlier you stop reading his books the more you will [TS]

  continue to enjoy the ones you've read so I think I think the credulity gets [TS]

  trained more and more with each new title cuz you run out of you run out of [TS]

  things to will not run out but I mean you have to have a certain level of [TS]

  again we should be a separate show but it's you know it's a long time before I [TS]

  should say thank god he's a good writer very good story the 10,000 hours things [TS]

  got me and that made that's one that I did what about people who practice for [TS]

  $14,000 and still suck you know it to me the 10,000 hours one came dangerously [TS]

  close to being a very very very well done parody of a Malcolm Gladwell si no [TS]

  argument yet totally it but my problem is that seriously I do think he's a good [TS]

  writer [TS]

  the frustrating part is that he when he says something and I don't agree with [TS]

  what he saying and what he's saying makes a lot of sense but if you ever [TS]

  asked him to show his math I think there will be a lot of problems and the [TS]

  problem is if you're a science if you're ostensibly a science or social science [TS]

  writer I think you have an obligation to the the source material and I just I'm [TS]

  not my friends who is statisticians and scientists have made it clear that he [TS]

  doesn't always do his math [TS]

  yeah the 10,000 hours thing is is just like my just doesn't make sense to me [TS]

  and say he holds up the Beatles as an example because they played a lot of you [TS]

  know played nightly gigs and some shadow bar in Germany or something but every [TS]

  band plays nightly gigs in shithole bars all around you know me like there was [TS]

  something about that and they did a sample of the Beatles and maybe you know [TS]

  just telling you marilyn what you want to hear but I don't know about that were [TS]

  made it sound like like the Beatles had this 1 weird thing that was different [TS]

  from everybody else which is that they played every night in a shitty bar and [TS]

  it's like now he's got a real I think he has a reality distortion field to [TS]

  Christie run for his money because when you're reading what he's writing you [TS]

  like yes yes your fist and he is the original turns out guy what turns out [TS]

  the $10,000 is a magic number one they ok we'll how did it turn out that way [TS]

  what what what you know he take something that's conventional wisdom its [TS]

  basic problem of somebody who has a bachelor's degree like having something [TS]

  they can bring up at a cocktail party that makes them seem like they're like [TS]

  they've got a little more information than somebody else and you know and his [TS]

  entire culture of needing to undo the conventional wisdom on things by showing [TS]

  you something [TS]

  surprisingly obvious that nobody else guys and you know the people who do the [TS]

  actual crime doing work that leads to important scientific discoveries in [TS]

  social science discoveries the grinding work behind that does not lead to that [TS]

  many turns out things unless you really cherry pick from the information that's [TS]

  available it's it's just it doesn't happen in the problem is now that's [TS]

  begun to poison the well there are a lot of places now where you gotta have turns [TS]

  out results you gotta write something you go to publish something that's gonna [TS]

  show up on some New York Times fog because that's that's where the [TS]

  attention is now you know I don't know enough to say but I just four years it's [TS]

  something that needed me I tried to explain my own joke but you know with [TS]

  him and [TS]

  later with general error and folks like that there's a guy there's a guy on [TS]

  morning edition rate who's who has a ready to just super radio he's he's got [TS]

  all kinds of surprising results from the field of social science every week and [TS]

  it's it's just crazy like you know what your area of expertise is what your [TS]

  background is in which you know well what she knows hard difficult about [TS]

  discipline I think anybody who comes up to say anybody with the actual [TS]

  background that i dont have in science in the social sciences any of these [TS]

  natural sciences any of these things to people who come up and say you know what [TS]

  this is really kind of oversimplified they get accused of having sour grapes [TS]

  because the the great wonderful everybody's envious among Gladwell in [TS]

  his successes and then he starts you know kind of pooh-poohing that stuff by [TS]

  saying you know that he's ready for a popular audience and stuff like that but [TS]

  like to me if you're not getting the I'm not a scientist like I need somebody to [TS]

  get the stuff right for me and I think it's it's just something that's often I [TS]

  get this radar that goes up to today is not completely right and and are now you [TS]

  don't get that you're very critical reader so I am surprised that you're not [TS]

  turns out I'm just gonna say this I'm not sure admits it made that joke so [TS]

  many times in the last 23 years I'm just gonna say to everybody out there [TS]

  start listening for the phrase turns out when you hear somebody say something [TS]

  because that's something that is a real super lazy way to act like somebody just [TS]

  saw something that you are going to be surprised you didn't see it first and [TS]

  then listen for how they show you what turns out to be different from and have [TS]

  them show their math just something that where there's a psychological appeal of [TS]

  the counter intuitive I am totally susceptible to that I always happen we [TS]

  all are [TS]

  everybody loves that [TS]

  like you know it turns out that the best way to get it fall into a depression is [TS]

  to win the lottery [TS]

  oh that's delicious because it's the opposite of what you thought you know [TS]

  where as you know but I feel and I feel like that it's it's there's a certain [TS]

  it's like a very advanced way of doing here is seven ways to lose seven pounds [TS]

  area it's a very advanced tackle that yeah because it just sucks it becomes it [TS]

  becomes a kind of like intellectual M&Ms though where people really do get I [TS]

  think a little bit addicted to it because it is really enjoyable to read [TS]

  about I think about all the stuff that got me really charged up you know behind [TS]

  the scenes stuff over the years reading the Book of Lists and things like that [TS]

  those sorts of books always fascinated me learning things like rules of common [TS]

  things that all you'd be surprised that this system that most people look at as [TS]

  being incredibly complex and difficult and full of footnotes and asterisks can [TS]

  actually be eighty percent reduced to this one rule of them likely discover [TS]

  something like that it is really illuminating and you go oh my gosh maybe [TS]

  the world is not as complicated as it seems more maybe turns out it's [TS]

  complicated ways we didn't expect how the Beatles created the White Album [TS]

  using this one secret old trick and it's like in a little box underneath the [TS]

  article that you just read on some website their runs to pull ads [TS]

  I wish you would have me back to talk about this when I'm better prepared and [TS]

  eaten I don't mean to sound short I I need to be determinative headache and [TS]

  it's really good to talk to you yeah I i finish these podcasts ready to pass out [TS]

  I know if it's hard work but is there do you see invest your family alright you [TS]

  know my my mom's dad my grandfather you know he was but it was a coal miner he [TS]

  died of black long time two generations apart from a man who whose parents spoke [TS]

  no English ukrainian immigrants he spent his working career in coal mines died at [TS]

  72 of black long and I just told you and I actually wasn't being ironic I just [TS]

  told you that what we just did was hard work i think thats I think that's an app [TS]

  for my podcasting talk to you soon buddy [TS]